Parasitism and you

[Whitehaze]

What is parasitism? It is a relationship between organisms or symbiotic relationship. This is what we live with in todays world. We are the host, and they are the parasite. We exist for them to feed and to survive. They attatch themselves into our everyday life, in every aspect of out lives. Without the hosts they cannot survive, so they do need us to continue the cycle. The cycle needs to be broken.

Part of the programming that has been placed in us is the belief that we need the parasites. This is the attatchment they force on us so it appears as coexistance. Parasites increase their wellbeing and numbers by exploiting the hosts for resources necessary for the parasite's survival. For thousands of years this is how it has worked between the parasites and the hosts.

There are some hosts that recognize this and attempt to break the cycle. Much of the time the breaking away is short lived because of the deep programming of the host. To be successful in breaking the cycle or attatchment the host must begin to deprogram themselves. This requires accepting that the programming is false and begin to reprogram yourself. We reprogram ourselves by identifying the parasites and their ways of attatchment. What benefit does the host recieve from the parasite? Usually none and most often harmful to the host.

How have these parasites harmed us, the hosts? They made us believe we should support their existance. They bred hate and differences in the hosts so that they would not come together for survival. The created borders and controlled communications so that the hosts could not exchange information. When the hosts become uncontrolable, they are allowed to die off or be killed in order to maintain the other hosts. The hosts continue to feed the parasites and with little resistance. Slowly being drained of every ounce of strength and willpower they possess. When the host becomes threatened or put into an environment that is dangerous they turn to the parasite because the believe the parasite has the power to protect them. Again part of the programming.

Sometimes the hosts gather together to break away from the parasite. However this is usually unsuccessful due to using the programming of the parasite. In order to be successful, they must not use the old programming and create new a new program. One the parasite does not recognize.

So how do we, the hosts, successfully break the cycle of programming? We must not use thier way of thinking in our attempt to break free. It is designed to only work for them, and when we use that programming it divides and destroys us the hosts. Their program works perfectly in achieving this. The host knows how to create a new program. And this is the only way to turn the parasite on itself so that it devours itself.

Therefore the process of reprogramming ourselves is of utmost importance. Letting go of the old system and programming needs to be 100% successful. We can not use even one piece of their programming our attempt to break free. Recongnze every aspect of their program and remove it from your way of thinking. Even if their programming appears harmless, it is still theirs and it is dangerous to reprogramming. Much like a virus attacks the programs in a computer, it only needs to be small.

There is much evidence of the hosts using the programming even today in the attempt to break away. And much evidence of how it is affecting the process, slowing it down and causing individual hosts to devour each other and seperate from the whole. Effectively making the attempt null and void before it has time to come to fruition. Look for it and you will see their programming doing just this.


Hosts shouldnt have to pay this price to live. It was never intended to be like this.

[bitworm]

That's why a virus does better to make its hosts sick when necessary but not kill them. It can't allow the host to die until its numbers are enough to spread at a certain rate. Otherwise, we'd never have had the pleasure of getting the flu or a cold.

Just like we can't allow the Earth to die until we can find more hosts. Lots of them.

[Belle]

Laughing at myself. I read the title of this thread and thought, "I have a zapper and that's worked for me. Maybe I can learn more." Once I started reading, I realized you weren't talking about the parasites within the body, but the ones that attack it from without.

Off the top of my head I'm thinking that perhaps there is a parallel here. A zapper vibrates at certain frequencies that effectively "explode" the parasite, thus allowing the body to naturally eliminate it. The only attack is by creating an environment alien to it. By working on ourselves, raising our own vibration (call it awakening, if you prefer), we can create such an environment that the programming will have no effect. Joined together with others who are doing the same, we create a frequency that the parasites can no longer survive in. Just a thought.

[modwiz]

Thank you for this post Whitehaze. The awareness of a situation or illness is critical to alleviating it. The most successful parasites produce low grade illnesses that go undetected or ascribed to another causative factor. Of course the parasites have their own illness to deal with and that is greed. They have entered an acute phase of their sickness and have become more obvious because of it.

We can only hope that increased awareness will lead to us ridding ourselves of these parasites. As Belle suggests, raising our frequency is also raising our consciousness which is what is required to effectively deal with our problem.

Many of our daily habits are sustaining our problem. New ways of thinking and living will begin our recovery.

[thewebkid]

Laughing at myself. I read the title of this thread and thought, "I have a zapper and that's worked for me. Maybe I can learn more." Once I started reading, I realized you weren't talking about the parasites within the body, but the ones that attack it from without.

Off the top of my head I'm thinking that perhaps there is a parallel here. A zapper vibrates at certain frequencies that effectively "explode" the parasite, thus allowing the body to naturally eliminate it. The only attack is by creating an environment alien to it. By working on ourselves, raising our own vibration (call it awakening, if you prefer), we can create such an environment that the programming will have no effect. Joined together with others who are doing the same, we create a frequency that the parasites can no longer survive in. Just a thought.

Oh I think the fractal we traverse with parasitic entities exist at manifold levels. I have terminated many parasitic relationships with

religion
friends who see me as a walking capri sun pouch and chase me with their vicariously oriented straw
etheric entities/energy fields (I call them the dark "yo yos")
resonance with the conspiracy mentality (I now call it being a really good fact checker - no victim necessary)
And the little pathogens that litter our precious physical vehicles and seem to infect us in many ways and with varied symptoms


To that last point, I LOVE my terminator zapper and how it has VASTLY improved my health. I love david wolfe's take on microbial parasites and how they affect our consciousness...
glYScsxzLVY

And if your interest is piqued (mine always is by this amazing nutritional soldier), here is another video series that will scratch the itch...
UUNg4HyF5pg

Here's to sovereignity. Great thread.

[Icecold]

In the family unit, once the parents are programmed, the process enables the elites to use them to programme their children. Toys are introduced early in live. They educate us into roles and a desire for commodities. Our parents are the first step in preparing us for the parasites. Education follows, supplemented with TV. Sport is used in the same way to keep us aggressive and aware of 'otherness'. Sport also reinforces the notion of elite democratic governance. The two party system seems natural to us, its reinforced every time we see a match between two teams. Corporates love sport and spend a lot of money promoting it. Turning all of these programmes OFF will help people wake up.

[modwiz]

You bring up a very important point here. Those of us infected with the parasitic programming are "Typhoid Marys", to coin an old (sexist) term, and keep the illness present amongst us. We owe it to each other to look at ourselves to see that we or our friends and loved ones are aware of this insidious mind control.

[AlkaMyst]

Great thread Whitehaze, but allow me ask you a question, because I'm very curious.

How many people do you really think can reprogram themselves at this stage in the game?

Really not being disrespectful, I seriously would like to know your opinion.

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[Carmody]

See how Dolores Cannons speaks on how a form of dimensional separation is coming up. Now she says that in one time line, you'll be dead. On another, you'll be alive and expanding. The other one will slowly die.

Further:

In one timeline/dimension scenario, you have biological parasites. You see a doctor. Drugs (vibration change)

In another timeline/dimension, you have ethereal/dimensional parasites on you. You see an energy worker. Spiritual help (vibration change)

The paradox is: Both are true.

It depends on how well, how far, and how deep one can see.

The rabbit hole cometh. ;)

[Icecold]

Great thread Whitehaze, but allow me ask you a question, because I'm very curious.

How many people do you really think can reprogram themselves at this stage in the game?

Really not being disrespectful, I seriously would like to know your opinion.

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

Not many as I see it. So, instead of crashing into a solid wall which will not yield, we walk around the wall and continue along the path. That is what I intend to do. The goal isn't through the wall, its at the end of the road. The point I made above that it is not difficult to remove the programmes, but the desire needs to be there. People like the womb. They've feel safe in the womb. I've woken up a few, others have told me to get lost. I'm only one. I do what I can, but I'm not confident in seeing any avalanches of change.

Blessings to you AlkaMyst.

[AlkaMyst]

Icecold

Not many as I see it.

I think you're right my dear friend, this is why I asked the question.

Maybe Whitehaze has much highers hopes, but the programming is so deep that even those who are so called holy men/women are programmed to some degree....just what I think!

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[Whitehaze]

Great thread Whitehaze, but allow me ask you a question, because I'm very curious.

How many people do you really think can reprogram themselves at this stage in the game?

Really not being disrespectful, I seriously would like to know your opinion.

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

Every single one of them, if they know the truth. It is up to us to awaken the rest of humanity. We bear that responsibility do we not? I would really dislike the thought that we gathered here to only shoot the breeze and blow some hot air. We know the truth, and we experience the joys and pains of it all. We must believe the rest will wake up, and we must do the awakening. If we do anything less than that, then we should not even bother in the first place.

I am realistic, I know there will be casualties and people who just are not capable of waking up. But we have to give it our best shot! This is quite possibly our last chance.

[modwiz]

Great thread Whitehaze, but allow me ask you a question, because I'm very curious.

How many people do you really think can reprogram themselves at this stage in the game?

Really not being disrespectful, I seriously would like to know your opinion.

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

Great question and I will break it into two parts to answer it more to my liking.

To stay upbeat I will say that everyone CAN, as in have the ability, reprogram themselves. Now comes the disclaimer.

Like smoking, drinking alcohol/abusing drugs and eating unhealthy food there is the matter of will. How many will exercise their power to be sovereign?
My observation there is not a very positive one and will be the cause of much sadness as the crisis/opportunity on this planet increases.

There are views about two Earths in the future. I can hold that view and be prepared, (checkyoursoul.com) while also readying myself with others who are willing to push this new paradigm forward by being proactive now for a world that stays in this dimension and needs our help.

I believe this second view is the heart and soul of the Charles material and plan and I am in strong sympathetic vibration with its unfolding.

[AlkaMyst]

Every single one of them, if they know the truth. It is up to us to awaken the rest of humanity. We bear that responsibility do we not? I would really dislike the thought that we gathered here to only shoot the breeze and blow some hot air. We know the truth, and we experience the joys and pains of it all. We must believe the rest will wake up, and we must do the awakening. If we do anything less than that, then we should not even bother in the first place.

I love your positive attitude my friend, but it's easier said then done.....I have been at this for over 10 years now and I can honestly tell you that I have awaken lots of people, but I have also seen people you have deprogrammed themselves get reprogrammed again in less than a few days! One must really know and understand what we are all up against and I will honestly tell you that if you tell others the reality of how the world really works, they just won't believe you and tell you you are crazy!!!

I know is not an easy task and I myself will NEVER give up the fight, but I really believe that we are in for a really big ride this time around!


I am realistic, I know there will be casualties and people who just are not capable of waking up. But we have to give it our best shot! This is quite possibly our last chance.

You are fully correct on your statement above. I really would like for this to go smoothly, but that's just not gonna happen....this guys will fight to the death to keep us down and mind controlled!!!

I sure hope you are right, as I would like nothing more then to see a new beginning for humanity.

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[Icecold]

Great thread Whitehaze, but allow me ask you a question, because I'm very curious.

How many people do you really think can reprogram themselves at this stage in the game?

Really not being disrespectful, I seriously would like to know your opinion.

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

Every single one of them, if they know the truth. It is up to us to awaken the rest of humanity. We bear that responsibility do we not? I would really dislike the thought that we gathered here to only shoot the breeze and blow some hot air. We know the truth, and we experience the joys and pains of it all. We must believe the rest will wake up, and we must do the awakening. If we do anything less than that, then we should not even bother in the first place.

I am realistic, I know there will be casualties and people who just are not capable of waking up. But we have to give it our best shot! This is quite possibly our last chance.


Hi WH.

The wall is very hard. There is only one way that I can see to do what you have suggested. That is to create an avalanche, the sound of which will wake up the sleeping.
Appealing to them is out of the question.


A poem from a friend.


Hope

It hovers in dark corners
before the lights are turned on,
it shakes sleep from its eyes
and drops from mushroom gills,
it explodes in the starry heads
of dandelions turned sages,
it sticks to the wings of green angels
that sail from the tops of maples.
It sprouts in each occluded eye
of the many-eyed potato,
it lives in each earthworm segment
surviving cruelty,
it is the motion that runs the tail of a dog,
it is the mouth that inflates the lungs
of the child that has just been born.
It is the singular gift
we cannot destroy in ourselves,
the argument that refutes death,
the genius that invents the future,
all we know of God.
It is the serum which makes us swear
not to betray one another;
it is in this poem, trying to speak.

Lisel Mueller

[Whitehaze]

Positive is all I know my friends, negativity has its place but its not in me. It is indeed a very hard wall, but I have a very hard will. I respect each and every one of you, and I am glad we are all on the same side.

[AlkaMyst]

modwiz

Great question and I will break it into two parts to answer it more to my liking.

To stay upbeat I will say that everyone CAN, as in have the ability, reprogram themselves. Now comes the disclaimer.

Like smoking, drinking alcohol/abusing drugs and eating unhealthy food there is the matter of will. How many will exercise their power to be sovereign?
My observation there is not a very positive one and will be the cause of much sadness as the crisis/opportunity on this planet increases.

There are views about two Earths in the future. I can hold that view and be prepared, (checkyoursoul.com) while also readying myself with others who are willing to push this new paradigm forward by being proactive now for a world that stays in this dimension and needs our help.

I believe this second view is the heart and soul of the Charles material and plan and I am in strong sympathetic vibration with its unfolding.

Excellent point of view modwiz, but now allow me to ask you a question.....

Do you think that to accomplish this, it is necessary to reduce the planet's population?

With respect, I would love to know your response to this one, as it seems that it will be our only hope from what others are saying (Not here, but in general).

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[Chicodoodoo]

Hosts shouldn't have to pay this price to live. It was never intended to be like this.

Now you're talking my language!

I have been talking about this over in the General Discussion thread I started called "Are sociopaths human?" The sociopaths are the very parasites you describe. Non-sociopaths are the hosts. They're killing us, and unless we cure this disease, we will either be nothing but shells of what we could be, or we will be extinct.

[AlkaMyst]

Positive is all I know my friends, negativity has its place but its not in me. It is indeed a very hard wall, but I have a very hard will. I respect each and every one of you, and I am glad we are all on the same side.

I really love your attitude Whitehaze, we need more like you!

[modwiz]

Every single one of them, if they know the truth. It is up to us to awaken the rest of humanity. We bear that responsibility do we not? I would really dislike the thought that we gathered here to only shoot the breeze and blow some hot air. We know the truth, and we experience the joys and pains of it all. We must believe the rest will wake up, and we must do the awakening. If we do anything less than that, then we should not even bother in the first place.

I am realistic, I know there will be casualties and people who just are not capable of waking up. But we have to give it our best shot! This is quite possibly our last chance.

We can always count on you Whitehaze to present us with a higher vision to pursue as a goal . My spirits are always lifted after reading one of your posts.

[AlkaMyst]

OK, here's the way I see it.....

Does anyone here goes to work everyday in one way or another to earn a living?

Do you need money to feed and support your families?

Do you go to hospitals when your loved ones or your kids are sick?

Do you depend on the government for a monthly check or food stamps (Food assistance here in US) so you can pay your bills or have something to eat each month?

Do you still send your kids to school? <-----this is a big one!

Do you still watch TV? <-----Another big one!

Do you still go to the supermarket to get your foods, even tho you know they are being genetically manipulated?

This are just a few, but where I'm trying to get at is that no matter what people still have to do something with the system in one way or another. and to be totally deprogrammed, once have to leave behind everything from the old and start fresh......that's nearly impossible in the society we currently live in!!!

Just my point of view, but I may be wrong!

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[Whitehaze]

I have a question or rather a challenge for all of you...........How much programming can you find in your own posts here?

[AlkaMyst]

A lot!!!....I'll be the first one to admit to it!

[Whitehaze]

OK, here's the way I see it.....

Does anyone here goes to work everyday in one way or another to earn a living?

Do you need money to feed and support your families?

Do you go to hospitals when your loved ones or your kids are sick?

Do you depend on the government for a monthly check or food stamps (Food assistance here in US) so you can pay your bills or have something to eat each month?

Do you still send your kids to school? <-----this is a big one!

Do you still watch TV? <-----Another big one!

Do you still go to the supermarket to get your foods, even tho you know they are being genetically manipulated?

This are just a few, but where I'm trying to get at is that no matter what people still have to do something with the system in one way or another. and to be totally deprogrammed, once have to leave behind everything from the old and start fresh......that's nearly impossible in the society we currently live in!!!

Just my point of view, but I may be wrong!

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

I believe these questions wil be adressed by the 18 in some fashion. I am almost certain of it.


(if we can remove the programming i see in the posts trying to get to the 18)

[AlkaMyst]

Whitehaze,
What do you mean by the 18? and pardon my ignorance....I hope you didn't find my post as an insult as those were not my intentions! :)

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[Whitehaze]

Whitehaze,
What do you mean by the 18? and pardon my ignorance....I hope you didn't find my post as an insult as those were not my intentions! :)

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

You would really have to try hard to insult me my friend. This is all an agreement to disagree, I truly enjoy being challenged as much as i like to challenge.

As for the 18? I challenge everyone to get that far and lets see exactly what they are going to do. I am sure it is not going to be tea and crumpets.

[Icecold]

Either we spend our time, as on other forums of likeness to ours, in a constant round of novelty seeking for its own sake, or for the sake of self.......or we do something entirely different and begin to walk....one step at a time....forward toward a predefined goal. We do something different, instead of waiting for ETs and saviours, or angels....we are the angel we are waiting for...we are the supersoul that is coalescing. That is different and the beginning of that may be the initial goal of 18 beings. The heart of the storm.

[AlkaMyst]

You would really have to try hard to insult me my friend. This is all an agreement to disagree, I truly enjoy being challenged as much as i like to challenge.

As for the 18? I challenge everyone to get that far and lets see exactly what they are going to do. I am sure it is not going to be tea and crumpets.

Great, I love this type of constructive criticism!

Sorry to sound ignorant, but if we are talking about something that has to do with "Charles", then I don't know anything about it as I haven't been following any of this material.

I will do my research on it tho. :)


Either we spend our time, as on other forums of likeness to ours, in a constant round of novelty seeking for its own sake, or for the sake of self.......or we do something entirely different and begin to walk....one step at a time....forward toward a predefined goal. We do something different, instead of waiting for ETs and saviours, or angels....we are the angel we are wating for...we are the supersoul that is coalescing. That is different and the beginning of that may be the initial goal of 18 beings. The heart of the storm.

I couldn't agree with you more my friend!....very well put!

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[Chicodoodoo]

How many people do you really think can reprogram themselves at this stage in the game?

Every single one of them, if they know the truth. It is up to us to awaken the rest of humanity.

Essentially, the question is how many of the sick wish to be healthy again and are willing to do what is required? If they know the truth, many (but not all) will decide to get better by undergoing treatment. If they don't know the truth, they won't know what's causing their disease, or they may not even realize they are sick. So the first step is educating the patient. Of course, if they are used to their symptoms and feeling little discomfort, they may not be interested in hearing the truth. The most successful parasites are those that go unnoticed, and we have some pretty successful parasites infecting our world.

[Icecold]

How many people do you really think can reprogram themselves at this stage in the game?

Every single one of them, if they know the truth. It is up to us to awaken the rest of humanity.

Essentially, the question is how many of the sick wish to be healthy again and are willing to do what is required? If they know the truth, many (but not all) will decide to get better by undergoing treatment. If they don't know the truth, they won't know what's causing their disease, or they may not even realize they are sick. So the first step is educating the patient. Of course, if they are used to their symptoms and feeling little discomfort, they may not be interested in hearing the truth. The most successful parasites are those that go unnoticed, and we have some pretty successful parasites infecting our world.

The problem with this line of reasoning Chicodoodoo, is that it is based upon OLD reality thinking. You are looking at the problem in terms of psychotherapy. This view is largely a result of
the idea of ponerology promoted heavily by Laura Knight J. This is not the Cass forum. I have read discussions on that forum that lead from a ponerological view to mass genocide of those defined to be psychopaths. This is a very dangerous slippery slope. It becomes a 21stC witch hunt or inquisition. Are you going to decide who is a psychopath? How?

[Ol' Roy]

Excuse me folks, but what is the TRUTH? I really want to know. That's why I'm here!
Please enlighten me.

Peace, love, and light
Ol'Roy

[mcaballero]

I thank all of your for your insights, there were many comments that gave me something like butterflies!

I'm quite new here (less than 2 months), and I love this place, this forum. I'd like to share my present problem, it was probably discussed, but it is my feeling lonely, uncomprehended and misunderstood in relation to these subjects. The answer that most makes sense is programming, but my problem is I long to feel attached to others, and find a certain wall within me :-(.

[Icecold]

Excuse me folks, but what is the TRUTH? I really want to know. That's why I'm here!
Please enlighten me.

Peace, love, and light
Ol'Roy

Nice hit and run post BTW. Guns blazing that's what I like to see. Fire in the belly stuff.

Off topic Roy.... What is the truth cannot be answered.

Can you see that the question has no valid answer?

All truth as a human knows it is subjective.

Frame the question in a different way please.

Enlighten you? .... just did. :)

Sorry Roy, fire away, you've still got a few rounds left in your mag. ;)

[Whitehaze]

I thank all of your for your insights, there were many comments that gave me something like butterflies!

I'm quite new here (less than 2 months), and I love this place, this forum. I'd like to share my present problem, it was probably discussed, but it is my feeling lonely, uncomprehended and misunderstood in relation to these subjects. The answer that most makes sense is programming, but my problem is I long to feel attached to others, and find a certain wall within me :-(.


Then I suggest you attach yourself to people here, and listen and learn from those who have it to offer. Those walls inside you may start to come down. There are great people here at Avalon, and I can say with great certainty you will find many friends here.

[AlkaMyst]

Essentially, the question is how many of the sick wish to be healthy again and are willing to do what is required? If they know the truth, many (but not all) will decide to get better by undergoing treatment. If they don't know the truth, they won't know what's causing their disease, or they may not even realize they are sick. So the first step is educating the patient. Of course, if they are used to their symptoms and feeling little discomfort, they may not be interested in hearing the truth. The most successful parasites are those that go unnoticed, and we have some pretty successful parasites infecting our world.

I fully understand where you are coming from.....but you must understand that must people who depend on the system to feed and support their families are not just going to give it up because they feel that they need to be deprogrammed.....if all you have is that assistance then your life and the one of your loved ones depend on it.

It's like telling someone that they need to give up everything they have in order to make it through.

Maybe I just don't get it, but please enlighten me....I'm open to just about anything!!!

[Ol' Roy]

Icecold, Sorry, I meant no disrespect to anyone. Honestly! My gun was in my holster, it must have accidentally gone off.lol
It was just an honest question. Your right the, truth is subjective. The truth is different for different people.

[Whitehaze]

Essentially, the question is how many of the sick wish to be healthy again and are willing to do what is required? If they know the truth, many (but not all) will decide to get better by undergoing treatment. If they don't know the truth, they won't know what's causing their disease, or they may not even realize they are sick. So the first step is educating the patient. Of course, if they are used to their symptoms and feeling little discomfort, they may not be interested in hearing the truth. The most successful parasites are those that go unnoticed, and we have some pretty successful parasites infecting our world.

I fully understand where you are coming from.....but you must understand that must people who depend on the system to feed and support their families are not just going to give it up because they feel that they need to be deprogrammed.....if all you have is that assistance then your life and the one of your loved ones depend on it.

It's like telling someone that they need to give up everything they have in order to make it through.

Maybe I just don't get it, but please enlighten me....I'm open to just about anything!!!

I do see your point and the difficulties of seperating from a system that has become a dependency. As with any dependency, to withdraw from it is a slow processs, as is this entire process. Things do take time and do not happen over night. The important thing we are trying to do is to reverse that dependency and make it a self sufficiency, with out the need of a parastic system.

[Icecold]

Thanks Roy. Appreciate your post. :)

WH. Timing is everything. :ranger:

LOL. I know you know that. JK

[Chicodoodoo]

The problem with this line of reasoning Chicodoodoo, is that it is based upon OLD reality thinking. You are looking at the problem in terms of psychotherapy. This view is largely a result of the idea of ponerology promoted heavily by Laura Knight J. This is not the Cass forum. I have read discussions on that forum that lead from a ponerological view to mass genocide of those defined to be psychopaths. This is a very dangerous slippery slope. It becomes a 21stC witch hunt or inquisition. Are you going to decide who is a psychopath? How?

We discussed this in the "Are sociopaths human" thread. The idea there was to identify sociopaths and exclude them from holding positions of power and control. No one is hurt or killed. Sociopaths could be given other career choices that exercise their deviant characteristics without harming the common good. There is no witch hunt involved.

There are already tools to identify sociopaths and people trained in the use of those tools. The tools can even be improved, if need be, as can the administrators. Does it make sense that many world leaders hold their thumbs over the nuclear launch button without ever being psychologically evaluated?

[Chicodoodoo]

[I fully understand where you are coming from.....but you must understand that must people who depend on the system to feed and support their families are not just going to give it up because they feel that they need to be deprogrammed.

Yes, I do understand that. The change must occur gradually. Identifying and removing sociopaths from power (getting rid of the worst parasites first) does not collapse the system. We replace leaders all the time (that's the illusion, anyway). When leaders are identified as sociopaths, we replace them with qualified non-sociopaths. The basic infrastructure can actually remain essentially as is, if we wish. The only difference is that it will run much better without the sociopaths in control.

[TimelessDimensions]

It's a holographic fractal universe, get rid of your own parasitic behaviors and the parasites within you cease to exist.

[AlkaMyst]

I do see your point and the difficulties of seperating from a system that has become a dependency. As with any dependency, to withdraw from it is a slow processs, as is this entire process. Things do take time and do not happen over night. The important thing we are trying to do is to reverse that dependency and make it a self sufficiency, with out the need of a parastic system.

The reason why I am so persistent is I have a wive and 3 beautiful children for whom I have look after and I am one of those who somewhat depends on the system as I have been unemployed for almost 2 years now and have not been able to find any work yet!....Now you see where I'm getting at? It is very difficult for me not to take the help, because if I don't then we can't eat! I don't mean to sound like a charity case....but lots of people here in the US are in the same boat I am in and even worse.

So how do you convince 100's of millions of people to make this drastic change?.....some might consider it committing genocide on yourself!!!

Just my point of view and the view of millions of other people around the globe! :)


Yes, I do understand that. The change must occur gradually. Identifying and removing sociopaths from power (getting rid of the worst parasites first) does not collapse the system. We replace leaders all the time (that's the illusion, anyway). When leaders are identified as sociopaths, we replace them with qualified non-sociopaths. The basic infrastructure can actually remain essentially as is, if we wish. The only difference is that it will run much better without the sociopaths in control.

Actually my dear friend, I believe that the change must happen in a very quick manner and just use your imagination as I don't want to be descriptive when it comes to doom and gloom, but realistically I think that is the only way that you can force mass planetary awakening otherwise there will always be one more sociopath ready to start it all over again....just look at the last 18,000 year of human history and you'll understand that since Atlantis (and yes it was real!) after something really big happened it's when we have been having some real problems....Refer to the book "The ancient secret on the flower of life" by Drunvalo Melchezidek which is available through the FTP account.....just PM'ed you with the login info so you can get it! :)

Unfortunately lot of human lives will be lost, but really what is death?.....it's nothing to fear as it is just a transition, remember that this flesh or avatar which we call the body is really not who we are....we are much more than this, trust me so let's just let chips fall where they may! :)

Look at this thread I started http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10942-Who-s-Driving-The-Dreambus-The-Documentary and also it is the documentary I quote on my signature...."Who's Driving The Dreambus" (http://theavalonfiles.com/secret/secure/Whos_Driving_The_Dreambus/index.html) I highly recommend this to everyone!!!

Just in my view and from my perspective and without trying to offend anyone!

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[Otho]

"So nat'ralists observe, a flea
Hath smaller fleas that on him prey,
And these have smaller fleas that bite 'em,
And so proceed ad infinitum."

Jonathon Swift

Just thought that was appropriate.


But hey, what failed in the sixties- tune in, turn on, drop out- could be retooled with internet networking into a really winning strategy.

One could say
Tune out (the programing)
Turn off (the MSM)
Drop in (to a new community.

Come on let's dress the revolution!
It's gotta look good, be smart, be fun!
We can grow it right in the middle of this stinkin mess, use it as our compost.
You can start to live outside the system right in the middle of the system.
Group up to save rent. Reuse, re-purpose, take what's cast off. Do it yourself. There are youtube instructionals on everything now. The suns' free. Wind is free. Water's cheap. And grow grow grow! You won't starve (in the western countries at least.) it's impossible, I've tried.
Don't be shy, join a network.
(looks around. realizes a rant has started)
But you get the idea.
You do it now, in plain site, right in the middle of everything. No one will even try to stop you.
if one in a hundred houses does this, in your area and they communicate with each other, and share with anyone who asks, thats one hell of a start.
The strongest movements, to borrow a phrase from A.A. work by attraction, rather than promotion.
Once you get a little bit loose from the thing, you start to see it for what it is.
(okay rant really done)

[Whitehaze]

"So nat'ralists observe, a flea
Hath smaller fleas that on him prey,
And these have smaller fleas that bite 'em,
And so proceed ad infinitum."

Jonathon Swift

Just thought that was appropriate.


But hey, what failed in the sixties- tune in, turn on, drop out- could be retooled with internet networking into a really winning strategy.

One could say
Tune out (the programing)
Turn off (the MSM)
Drop in (to a new community.

Come on let's dress the revolution!
It's gotta look good, be smart, be fun!
We can grow it right in the middle of this stinkin mess, use it as our compost.
You can start to live outside the system right in the middle of the system.
Group up to save rent. Reuse, re-purpose, take what's cast off. Do it yourself. There are youtube instructionals on everything now. The suns' free. Wind is free. Water's cheap. And grow grow grow! You won't starve (in the western countries at least.) it's impossible, I've tried.
Don't be shy, join a network.
(looks around. realizes a rant has started)
But you get the idea.
You do it now, in plain site, right in the middle of everything. No one will even try to stop you.
if one in a hundred houses does this, in your area and they communicate with each other, and share with anyone who asks, thats one hell of a start.
The strongest movements, to borrow a phrase from A.A. work by attraction, rather than promotion.
Once you get a little bit loose from the thing, you start to see it for what it is.
(okay rant really done)


I think I just levitated.......

[Icecold]

I have a question or rather a challenge for all of you...........How much programming can you find in your own posts here?

Enough to tell me I have more work to do. LOL

WH You remind me a lot of an Air Cav Capt I used to know from Jacksonville Florida. :cool:

About the same age too. ;)

[Icecold]

The problem with this line of reasoning Chicodoodoo, is that it is based upon OLD reality thinking. You are looking at the problem in terms of psychotherapy. This view is largely a result of the idea of ponerology promoted heavily by Laura Knight J. This is not the Cass forum. I have read discussions on that forum that lead from a ponerological view to mass genocide of those defined to be psychopaths. This is a very dangerous slippery slope. It becomes a 21stC witch hunt or inquisition. Are you going to decide who is a psychopath? How?

We discussed this in the "Are sociopaths human" thread. The idea there was to identify sociopaths and exclude them from holding positions of power and control. No one is hurt or killed. Sociopaths could be given other career choices that exercise their deviant characteristics without harming the common good. There is no witch hunt involved.

There are already tools to identify sociopaths and people trained in the use of those tools. The tools can even be improved, if need be, as can the administrators. Does it make sense that many world leaders hold their thumbs over the nuclear launch button without ever being psychologically evaluated?

Tools, what tools are you talking about?

People trained to use these tools....like Grand Inquisitors?

Sorry Chic...can't see myself going down this road. I see a nightmare at the end of the street.

[Whitehaze]

I have a question or rather a challenge for all of you...........How much programming can you find in your own posts here?

Enough to tell me I have more work to do. LOL

WH You remind me a lot of an Air Cav Capt I used to know from Jackson Florida. :cool:

About the same age too. ;)

I think its fair to say we all do, the parasite is huge. And this is what we do need to reprogram, trying not to think with their program. That alone is a start in the correct direction. We already know that the current programming benefits the parasite........not the other way around. If we continue to use it, then we become the parasite.

[Icecold]

I have a question or rather a challenge for all of you...........How much programming can you find in your own posts here?

Enough to tell me I have more work to do. LOL

WH You remind me a lot of an Air Cav Capt I used to know from Jackson Florida. :cool:

About the same age too. ;)

I think its fair to say we all do, the parasite is huge. And this is what we do need to reprogram, trying not to think with their program. That alone is a start in the correct direction. We already know that the current programming benefits the parasite........not the other way around. If we continue to use it, then we become the parasite.

I have no intentions of being parasitic. I'm a Green Anarchist who believes in a policy of re-wilding. That sets me up as public enemy number one for the elites, that is their greatest nightmare.

That's my position and I'm not budging from it without a damned good argument. We know that fighting fire with water works. I have no desire to emulate elites. I have no desire to form authoritarian levels of control. I'm against committees and congresses and senates. Power corrupts. Power corrupts.... I'm probably further from levels of control than yourself. JS.

As my point about a psychopath genocide indicates. You can't have it both ways...love and light in one hand and 'tools for an inquisition' in the other. I'm still working on a solution to that problem.

BTW Charle's master is a re-wilding buff.

[Fractalius]

Yes, I agree. It is a funny one, we are very good at seeing others inhabitants. But can be blind to our own, ironically sometimes while pointing.
One possible fear of parasite removal techniques being overpowered by parasite method, would be a result comparable to Orwell's symbolism of the Thought Police. That can be related a little to the irony again.

The tendency for some, is to hold such concepts for use as accusation rather than personal growth, reflection, and understanding.

[Maria Stade]

Here is some hints and also some that have been discussed here Turn off the TV !

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14557-The-power-of-sounds-!

One needs to start sneaking on one self !

Be open and to know that the own reaction is with in and has nothing to do with the person mirroring it.

All Love

Maria

[Otho]

I have a question or rather a challenge for all of you...........How much programming can you find in your own posts here?

Enough to tell me I have more work to do. LOL

WH You remind me a lot of an Air Cav Capt I used to know from Jackson Florida. :cool:

About the same age too. ;)

I think its fair to say we all do, the parasite is huge. And this is what we do need to reprogram, trying not to think with their program. That alone is a start in the correct direction. We already know that the current programming benefits the parasite........not the other way around. If we continue to use it, then we become the parasite.

I was being playful (but serious) in the last post but I agree you. Curious what's your take on reprogramming? Are you talking about changing what we think? Or how we think? Both?

[Icecold]

Here is some hints and also some that have been discussed here Turn off the TV !

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14557-The-power-of-sounds-!

One needs to start sneaking on one self !

Be open and to know that the own reaction is with in and has nothing to do with the person mirroring it.

All Love

Maria

Thanks Maria I needed your input right about then. :)

Maria :hug:

[Chicodoodoo]

Tools, what tools are you talking about?

People trained to use these tools....like Grand Inquisitors?

Sorry Chic...can't see myself going down this road. I see a nightmare at the end of the street.

The nightmare is at the end of the road we are currently traveling. If the only result of being identified as a sociopath is that said sociopath cannot hold positions of societal power or control, where's the harm? For 98% of the population, that means there is no direct change in their personal lives. If I should be diagnosed as a sociopath (either properly or by accident), it might mean I can't participate in federal, state, county, or local legislatures. No sweat off my back. So what are you worried about? The nightmare is coming up fast if we continue to do nothing!

[Icecold]

So what are you going to do with the 'sociopaths'? Laura Knight and 500 of her members say they can never change its in their DNA.

So what are you going to do with them?


I just read your post below. I'll leave you to take care of the sociopaths. I'll be busy planting trees

I've had enough violence in my life to last several lifetimes.

[Chicodoodoo]

Actually my dear friend, I believe that the change must happen in a very quick manner and just use your imagination as I don't want to be descriptive when it comes to doom and gloom, but realistically I think that is the only way that you can force mass planetary awakening otherwise there will always be one more sociopath ready to start it all over again.

Mass planetary awakening is not necessary. It's not all of human society that is parasitic. It only appears that way because the parasites are in control and have molded our society in their image. If you replace the sociopaths in the positions of societal power/control with non-sociopaths, then we will have caring people controlling society instead of unfeeling psychos, and these caring people will naturally and gradually turn this boat around.

[Maria Stade]

Here is some hints and also some that have been discussed here Turn off the TV !

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14557-The-power-of-sounds-!

One needs to start sneaking on one self !

Be open and to know that the own reaction is with in and has nothing to do with the person mirroring it.

All Love

Maria

Thanks Maria I needed your input right about then. :)

Maria :hug:

I will do my best to help ! :hug:

All Love :luv:

[Chicodoodoo]

So what are you going to do with the 'sociopaths'? Laura Knight and 500 of her members say they can never change its in their DNA.

So what are you going to do with them?

I invite you to read the "Are sociopaths human" thread, then I won't have to repeat the same information.

It's true, you can't change the nature of sociopaths, but you can deny them access to certain positions of power and control. This is just a slight, but extremely important, re-organization of the rules. Like I said in my posts in the other thread, sociopaths can choose from other careers besides politician or corporation decider. Some sociopaths make great butchers -- put them to work in slaughterhouses. Some like calculated risk-taking -- let them be miners. Some are incredible liars and deceivers -- let them be lawyers (well, maybe not).

[modwiz]

It's a holographic fractal universe, get rid of your own parasitic behaviors and the parasites within you cease to exist.

I have to say this is a powerful sentence. I had a serious Aha! moment running that thought through myself.

[Fractalius]

The reason why I am so persistent is I have a wife and 3 beautiful children for whom I have look after and...... It is very difficult for me not to take the help, because if I don't then we can't eat! I don't mean to sound like a charity case....but lots of people here in the US are in the same boat I am in and even worse.

So how do you convince 100's of millions of people to make this drastic change?.....some might consider it committing genocide on yourself!!!

Just my point of view and the view of millions of other people around the globe! :)


..... change must happen in a very quick manner and just use your imagination as I don't want to be descriptive when it comes to doom and gloom, but realistically I think that is the only way



The parasite looks to spoil any system or paradigm. That means, that the bones of what we have now, probably would work. Or would have worked. Especially for now. Not throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Loopholes, circumvention. The way that things are spoiled. The acts of negative examples being led. The feeling of being wronged, a victim, a rebel, with justification to circumvent, "get in before someone else does", and "look after number one". Our decisions are loaded with cloudy parasite ink at times. Many of the skills of community are very old, it's not like a new thing. The hard part is being in the right 'head space' to gain authenticity. Some might be silent when they should have spoken, some might have been better to be silent when they said which they did. The best person to analyse and correct, is the self, just have to remember to.

[Maria Stade]

Actually my dear friend, I believe that the change must happen in a very quick manner and just use your imagination as I don't want to be descriptive when it comes to doom and gloom, but realistically I think that is the only way that you can force mass planetary awakening otherwise there will always be one more sociopath ready to start it all over again.

Mass planetary awakening is not necessary. It's not all of human society that is parasitic. It only appears that way because the parasites are in control and have molded our society in their image. If you replace the sociopaths in the positions of societal power/control with non-sociopaths, then we will have caring people controlling society instead of unfeeling psychos, and these caring people will naturally and gradually turn this boat around.

In the future we need to see that there is no structure for power.
All have the same value and and people need to know their on value and stand their ground for the own right.

The system that is now is rewarding this kind of behavior.

All Love

Maria

[Whitehaze]

I have a question or rather a challenge for all of you...........How much programming can you find in your own posts here?

Enough to tell me I have more work to do. LOL

WH You remind me a lot of an Air Cav Capt I used to know from Jackson Florida. :cool:






About the same age too. ;)

I think its fair to say we all do, the parasite is huge. And this is what we do need to reprogram, trying not to think with their program. That alone is a start in the correct direction. We already know that the current programming benefits the parasite........not the other way around. If we continue to use it, then we become the parasite.

I was being playful (but serious) in the last post but I agree you. Curious what's your take on reprogramming? Are you talking about changing what we think? Or how we think? Both?


Raising conciousness awareness. We are what we pay attention to. (Borrowed from Ian Lungold) We know there are better ways of doing things. But we dont pay enough attention to it. We let things slide by as is. Or depend on someone else to fix it.

[vibrations]

It's a holographic fractal universe, get rid of your own parasitic behaviors and the parasites within you cease to exist.

I have to say this is a powerful sentence. I had a serious Aha! moment running that thought through myself.
I agree.
It's hard to understand that maybe 90% of everything what's happening to us is our own creation, the consequence of our belief system interacting with environment. Parasites are only reflection of our thoughts, the material manifestation of our emotional state. Work on it, raise your vibs and they will disappear. As it happens with all illnesses, it's a message "dude, you're herding yourself, change the posture".
And it counts for physical and mental parasites.

[Budaheart]

Hi folks! Great thread! thanks for all your insights!
My own process of awakening was mainly based in this deprogramming through awareness of the traps and conscious choice for other options.
I had some freaky experiences pretty similar to the film Fallen, on how something shifts from one being to another and starts talking thru them...soon to abandon that host and leave the person as if it never knew what it had just said. Funny enough, it even happened in a Bus where the film fallen was being projected!...

A while ago I read Cisco Wheeler´the Illuminati formula to create a total mind controlled slave...a heavy reading to be honest...
One of the aspects that attracted my attention the most, was the idea they have (controllers, programmers) to isolate the core of your being or your psyche, and even create inside you a false-core, so that you relate to the false core of yourself and not to the real one. They make very much sure this is so...but don´t explain why...for us to find why...

Why could this be so? Again because when we are grounded in the very core of our being, our very essence, we are untouchable, we are in the center of all of what we have been, will be and are, we are connected to Source and are able to bypass all the programming and the traps...we even have access to information that is not on conscious awareness that can be vital for us in a given moment...we receive insights, hints to connect the dots and work our way as if blind yet guided by our very essence, our very core...

Making an effort to return to this core with all our hearts and minds, establishing this as an intention, wanting to work from this basis and grounding our very being there, at the core, we wil be in a much better position to open ourselves up to the solutions for deprogramming ourselves individually then collectively.

Another important point I want to high line here is that, one person deprogrammed is already affecting others by simply BEING, as she is WHOLE and she is emanating the vibrations of WHOLENESS AND COMPLETENESS...allowing other´s systems to REMEMBER this state of core-Being. People do pick up those signals and start resonating with them, activating internal circuitry in their consciousness that will eventually lead to a deeper awakening...we are already doing it! perhaps we are unaware of the results of our presence among others, but trust me, I see people shift around me and around others who are more awaken!...it happens...its happening! Lets keep at it, with the strength of our HEARTS.


Love
Barbara

[Chicodoodoo]

It's a holographic fractal universe, get rid of your own parasitic behaviors and the parasites within you cease to exist.

I have to say this is a powerful sentence. I had a serious Aha! moment running that thought through myself.

Getting rid of your own parasitic behaviors does not get rid of the parasitic behaviors of the sociopaths running the world. They are the ones delivering the paradigm that encourages internal parasitic behaviors.

[Fractalius]

Getting rid of your own parasitic behaviors does not get rid of the parasitic behaviors of the sociopaths running the world. They are the ones delivering the paradigm that encourages internal parasitic behaviors.

There is a few references made on this so far in the thread, but this quote is good and close, to lead in for a last comment I have for now.

From observing over quite some, with the understanding of this parasite symbolism, it appears quite frequently that those in positions of power, become more and more infected by the illness. Like a possession. It also seems that if you put a non sociopath (sort of oxymoron) into such positions, it is going to infect them more often than not.

The other point would be that selection brings the most sociopathic of the lot to the top (maybe said in a different way). Sometimes the people who were "walked over" on the way up the ladder, are partly responsible for their inactions, silences, or what have you.

[Budaheart]

Thanks Fractalius perhaps to transform the situation described, and to reconcile the positions in the thread in a positive and effective way an intervention needs to take place in both areas, that is, within US and without us...that is, inner work and outer work...In the absolute level of reality we can consider that we create our reality therefore we are empowered by our very creative nature to transform our reality, and so, inner work is effective and can be translated in the outer world as a result of our inner shift. But we can also work on the other end of the stick as well...not one or the other, but both interventions...

hugs
Barbara

[Budaheart]

Another important part of the programing is learning how to question things ...question the authority that is imposed on you by whomever and the messages that come from them. You can put them in quarantine and then work through those messages to see with discernement if the are true or not, valid or not, beneficial or not. Most of our society is based on ASSUMPTIONS, things we take for granted that go unquestioned. God bless the rebels I tell you!...

Another important issue is learning how to think, there is an interesting thread opened by Mcaballero on Critical thinking...that can also help....
Plus questioning the authority...not so much going to a cop and telling him this and that but its more of an internal stand. You are sovereign inside you. Not anyone else. We have for too long given away our power to the doctor, the priest, the banker, the politician, the psychologist... emptying ourselves from our very nature and our very sovereignty...

Love
Barbara

[Cottage Rose]

So what are you going to do with the 'sociopaths'? Laura Knight and 500 of her members say they can never change its in their DNA.

So what are you going to do with them?


I just read your post below. I'll leave you to take care of the sociopaths. I'll be busy planting trees

I've had enough violence in my life to last several lifetimes.

Hi Ice: I don't think that Chicodoodoo is talking about violence. I have never heard him mention that.

This may be an American issue. We have had robber barons running this country for as long as I can remember. We are tired of them running our country and we want them out. We want leadership with empaty and concern for the people (and non-sociopath is an apt definition)

Perhaps you have not had to bear lying, conniving, crook leaders in Australia. We are just searching for a method to get them out of power.

I saw the inside of financial governmental agencies during the Texas Savings and Loan Debacle. It was deliberate. They removed all the regulations and engineered insolvencies for mom and pop community savings and loans. I heard what went on in those boardrooms. They took institutions over and sold the assets for pennies on the dollar to the usual suspect elite that are continually bilking our country.

Something must be done. What would you suggest? To keep allowing people like that in office? Isn't that what Charles is suggesting? To get rid of the worst offenders? Those worst offenders are the sociopaths. They can do whatever they want, but just stay out of office so positive change can occur.

I think the differences you have here may be semantical. It is the same as not wanting a pediophile caring for your children. We don't want sociopaths caring for our country. Is there anything wrong with that?

[Icecold]

So what are you going to do with the 'sociopaths'? Laura Knight and 500 of her members say they can never change its in their DNA.

So what are you going to do with them?


I just read your post below. I'll leave you to take care of the sociopaths. I'll be busy planting trees

I've had enough violence in my life to last several lifetimes.

Hi Ice: I don't think that Chicodoodoo is talking about violence. I have never heard him mention that.

This may be an American issue. We have had robber barons running this country for as long as I can remember. We are tired of them running our country and we want them out. We want leadership with empaty and concern for the people (and non-sociopath is an apt definition)

Perhaps you have not had to bear lying, conniving, crook leaders in Australia. We are just searching for a method to get them out of power.

I saw the inside of financial governmental agencies during the Texas Savings and Loan Debacle. It was deliberate. They removed all the regulations and engineered insolvencies for mom and pop community savings and loans. I heard what went on in those boardrooms. They took institutions over and sold the assets for pennies on the dollar to the usual suspect elite that are continually bilking our country.

Something must be done. What would you suggest? To keep allowing people like that in office? Isn't that what Charles is suggesting? To get rid of the worst offenders? Those worst offenders are the sociopaths. They can do whatever they want, but just stay out of office so positive change can occur.

I think the differences you have here may be semantical. It is the same as not wanting a pediophile caring for your children. We don't want sociopaths caring for our country. Is there anything wrong with that?



Hi Rose,

yes I post on another all American forum and have been keeping up with the politics over there.

My question is....how do you non-violently get rid of the rats?

Has to be blood and iron. They won't go quietly.

I know what bastards they are. I dislike Cheney and Rumsfeld intensely.

No there is nothing wrong with it. My point was that you will have to use violence to remove them.

But I see labeling them as 'sociopaths' or 'psychopaths' is a means to legitimise the slaughter.

What will be will be. Good luck over there.

[ponda]

Chicodoodoo said
Getting rid of your own parasitic behaviors does not get rid of the parasitic behaviors of the sociopaths running the world. They are the ones delivering the paradigm that encourages internal parasitic behaviors.

i think that from one perspective that the ones that are in power and control of the world are there as a learning and awakening tool for many of us at this time in history.I suspect that the first step in lessening the power of this structure is to be aware of it.If the control structure was fairer and less obvious then it would be much more difficult to notice it and thus awaken.I don't think that it is a coincidence that our reality has evolved in this way.It might be a type of deliberate duality.On one hand it is structured for the benefit of the unseen controllers for their gain and on the other hand it is also an awakening tool for the previously asleep.

I don't hold any of the human control matrix to blame.I believe that they "know not what they do" and also that those most deepest inside the control matrix will be the last to awaken so i have sympathy for them.I suspect that the matrix is controlled from a consciousness level that is outside of our physical reality.

cheers

[Luke]

Parasite is such, because system allows him to be like that.

Complex, interlocking system of behaviours is what makes this planet ticks.

Failure to understand that you cannot "throw away" part of the system without redesigning WHOLE, dooms any "change" endeavour.

In the game, those playing according to rules complete it. Score is what matters. What is the score in our current game?
What behaviours are encouraged, which ones are not?

Looking for single problem and focusing on it is part of our wired-in programming.
Same as looking for technical solutions in systemic failures... looking for faulty cog in mechanism designed for other task than one you need it to perform is simple waste of time.

Yet so many waste their time-energy doing just that. Looking for a cog to blame.

[9eagle9]

Budheart/Barbara: "A while ago I read Cisco Wheeler´the Illuminati formula to create a total mind controlled slave...a heavy reading to be honest...
One of the aspects that attracted my attention the most, was the idea they have (controllers, programmers) to isolate the core of your being or your psyche, and even create inside you a false-core, so that you relate to the false core of yourself and not to the real one. They make very much sure this is so...but don´t explain why...for us to find why..."

This would be very easy to do because it occurs on its own by familial, religious, and social conditioning. To everyone. By the time we reach our early adult life this has usually begun to manifest. We create our shadow self, a parastical being/ ourselves or rather we continue to perpetrate its growth. It absolutely wouldn't be problem for an outside influence to bear pressure on whatever is pre existing false core values and beliefs we are holding. Neither would it have to be some vague government agency. Anyone with an agenda could do it. I always wondered why programmers went through the effort of using acute trauma to force an alternate persona from someone, when this way is much more inclined to stick. The mechanism is already in place and began rooting in early childhood. The over growth of the shadow self can be acute enough to attract external influences randomly and the hosts are hesitant to give them up because it gives a false sense of empowerment. Nope not a problem at all, to be done on a psyche level or by direct influence. All one would need is a good understanding of how the psyche of the already preconditioned population is working.

One could pick any number of people based on their expression of inner imbedded condition, core values-beliefs and build them up into something they aren't face to face. This is how fraud gurus get thier shill. There's a pseudo shaman in my area who is quite psychic but ....he cruises grocery stores looking for bored discontent housewives and says. Oh my god, you're a shaman..oh you poor thing...you don't even know it. " Quite an enticement to the dis-empowered who don't realize they are being offered a label as shamanism is a state of being not a label.

Extends an offer of power to the disempowered. And the shill is in motion. Coincedentally we have dozens of bored houswives in the area that learned shamanism in a weekend. They have had a false persona superimposed...but their still wounded. Whenever you are standing in a power that is not your own, its a false empowerment.

Because people are too dis-empowered, attached to their falsely engineered persona, to get in touch with their true core, they will in an effort to claim an identity quickly glom onto the false one presented. It gives them a false sense of power. More importantly a sense of identity that was lacking or perceived as 'better' than the pre existing one.

Its never imposed on anyone. The subconsciously ego opens the door to it based on what is going on in the inner landscape. Any one of the woman our pseudo shaman approached could have refused this offer. But they wanted it.

If one takes the clean journey into the inner self, you become impervious to that sort of conditioning. There's no trauma left inside manipulate or work with. Get the inner landscape as clean as possible and they don't have to worry about things like this occurring. These sorts of things just don't happen to people who go inside and start working on unfragmenting into a wholer self. Indeed if you don't you will attract that sort of thing into your life. How else does our pseudo shaman invariably We broadcast loud and clear and what we broadcast is our core values and beliefs. We also broadcast our woundedness and inner trauma to those who have an ear out for it. I mean I take anyone person in this forum to impose this on, choosing simply by their expression. I wouldn't but could. Think about what someone could do who had some real influences and resources behind them could do.

[Icecold]

Budheart/Barbara: "A while ago I read Cisco Wheeler´the Illuminati formula to create a total mind controlled slave...a heavy reading to be honest...
One of the aspects that attracted my attention the most, was the idea they have (controllers, programmers) to isolate the core of your being or your psyche, and even create inside you a false-core, so that you relate to the false core of yourself and not to the real one. They make very much sure this is so...but don´t explain why...for us to find why..."

This would be very easy to do because it occurs on its own by familial, religious, and social conditioning. To everyone. By the time we reach our early adult life this has usually begun to manifest. We create our shadow self, a parastical being/ ourselves or rather we continue to perpetrate its growth. It absolutely wouldn't be problem for an outside influence to bear pressure on whatever is pre existing false core values and beliefs we are holding. Neither would it have to be some vague government agency. Anyone with an agenda could do it. I always wondered why programmers went through the effort of using acute trauma to force an alternate persona from someone, when this way is much more inclined to stick. The mechanism is already in place and began rooting in early childhood. The over growth of the shadow self can be acute enough to attract external influences randomly and the hosts are hesitant to give them up because it gives a false sense of empowerment. Nope not a problem at all, to be done on a psyche level or by direct influence. All one would need is a good understanding of how the psyche of the already preconditioned population is working.

One could pick any number of people based on their expression of inner imbedded condition, core values-beliefs and build them up into something they aren't face to face. This is how fraud gurus get thier shill. There's a pseudo shaman in my area who is quite psychic but ....he cruises grocery stores looking for bored discontent housewives and says. Oh my god, you're a shaman..oh you poor thing...you don't even know it. " Quite an enticement to the dis-empowered who don't realize they are being offered a label as shamanism is a state of being not a label.

Extends an offer of power to the disempowered. And the shill is in motion. Coincedentally we have dozens of bored houswives in the area that learned shamanism in a weekend. They have had a false persona superimposed...but their still wounded. Whenever you are standing in a power that is not your own, its a false empowerment.

Because people are too dis-empowered, attached to their falsely engineered persona, to get in touch with their true core, they will in an effort to claim an identity quickly glom onto the false one presented. It gives them a false sense of power. More importantly a sense of identity that was lacking or perceived as 'better' than the pre existing one.

Its never imposed on anyone. The subconsciously ego opens the door to it based on what is going on in the inner landscape. Any one of the woman our pseudo shaman approached could have refused this offer. But they wanted it.

If one takes the clean journey into the inner self, you become impervious to that sort of conditioning. There's no trauma left inside manipulate or work with. Get the inner landscape as clean as possible and they don't have to worry about things like this occurring. These sorts of things just don't happen to people who go inside and start working on unfragmenting into a wholer self. Indeed if you don't you will attract that sort of thing into your life. How else does our pseudo shaman invariably We broadcast loud and clear and what we broadcast is our core values and beliefs. We also broadcast our woundedness and inner trauma to those who have an ear out for it. I mean I take anyone person in this forum to impose this on, choosing simply by their expression. I wouldn't but could. Think about what someone could do who had some real influences and resources behind them could do.

I can clearly understand the point of this piece. But it is fluff. What I mean is that it is so constrained by its own theoretical thinking that nobody is going to buy it. Simply, it is not efficacious and will not strike a chord in the people who need it. You might identify with this, but most won't. This is the problem with a lot of specialised theory of seeing self, people who need it just don't see the point. So it is useless as a tool of thought for solving the practical issues. A shame, but that's where most of humanity is situated. If you want to appeal to the masses your message needs to be crystal clear and crystal simple.


9Eagle9. I know how much work you put into your post. I can see it. And I can see that your thoughts come from a very worthy place. Your message rings clear and true for me who is struggling to awaken. I understand your sublime perspective and appreciate your contriibution to this thread and these thoughts. I meant you no disrespect. i welcome your thoughts always. I thought this need to be said.

[sheddie]

Its never imposed on anyone. The subconsciously ego opens the door to it based on what is going on in the inner landscape. Any one of the woman our pseudo shaman approached could have refused this offer. But they wanted it.

If one takes the clean journey into the inner self, you become impervious to that sort of conditioning. There's no trauma left inside manipulate or work with. Get the inner landscape as clean as possible and they don't have to worry about things like this occurring. These sorts of things just don't happen to people who go inside and start working on unfragmenting into a wholer self. Indeed if you don't you will attract that sort of thing into your life. How else does our pseudo shaman invariably We broadcast loud and clear and what we broadcast is our core values and beliefs. We also broadcast our woundedness and inner trauma to those who have an ear out for it. I mean I take anyone person in this forum to impose this on, choosing simply by their expression. I wouldn't but could. Think about what someone could do who had some real influences and resources behind them could do.



Thank you 9eagle9.........so well explained and articulated :agree:

I have had direct experience with such a person a few years ago. I am extremely grateful to her, she has been one of my greatest teachers. She helped me to be where I am today but I wouldn't advise anyone to learn from such a lesson....it was extremely painful.

I had to look deeply within myself to find the real me, to find the person that doesn’t need approval from anyone else. Doing my Shamanic Practitioners course was the catalyst for change; I have never felt alone since.

I'm a much stronger person now and can see when it is being done. Thank you for posting this, your posts are full of wisdom and have many times put into words what I feel but can't express.

This is a very real and can cause deep and lasting damage. I thought I was going mad, no-one else could see what was happening. These people are very clever, manipulative and oh so helpful - until you cross them - they know exactly the right words to say to trigger the required response.

I wish I had found this site when I was going through all that but then again, all in divine and perfect timing. I have been following Avalon since A1 it is a fantastic forum.

Thank you all for making me feel so welcome…………..and safe :thank_you2:

sent from the heart

[Belle]

What I see happening in my own area is people getting tired of the fear message...fear what you eat and drink, fear your neighbor, fear being thought a terrorist, fear the fema camps, fear.....fill in the blanks. Once someone questions the constant negative messaging, the next question they ask is why and to what purpose, and what can we do about it. Do we have clear answers for them without causing more fear? They are beginning to wake up. If we don't move quickly to help, the parasites move in to lull them back to sleep.

As Icecold said, "If you want to appeal to the masses your message needs to be crystal clear and crystal simple." How do we come up with such a message?

[sheddie]

What I see happening in my own area is people getting tired of the fear message...fear what you eat and drink, fear your neighbor, fear being thought a terrorist, fear the fema camps, fear.....fill in the blanks. Once someone questions the constant negative messaging, the next question they ask is why and to what purpose. Do we have clear answers for them without causing more fear? They are beginning to wake up. If we don't move quickly to help, the parasites move in to lull them back to sleep.

As Icecold said, "If you want to appeal to the masses your message needs to be crystal clear and crystal simple." How do we come up with such a message?

The million dollar question :) and one I would love to have the answer to.

I was talking to my daughter this morning via skype and the subject of GMO's and fluoride came up briefly...I don't know where to start and don't want to frighten her to death......

She lives in Australia so chats round the dinner table are out.

:confused:

[9eagle9]

Forgive me, are you saying the process of conditioning is specialized? Media, religion, etc, is just a odd specialty and only the odd few people are effected by it. No one is effected by their childhood conditioning...? The ego is a speciality item imposed just there and there?

If it was theoretical it would not be in common practice in healing, psychological and holistic medicine all over the globe.

AA begins the process everyday using the same values--cleaning up the inner landscape.

Practical issues? Everything being relative what is a practical issue?

Of course it won't strike a chord in those who need it. They want a false reality. A few people recognize that some who have done this work lead effortless lives and want to know why.

Unfortunately nothing is crystal simple, because everyone's conditioning was imposed on them in different ways. It's hard work which is why people opt for false labels and stories. Those are easy to assume compared to excavating the inner landscape.

However ego entrapment is something that effects all of us regardless if we want to admit to it or not. Of course the ego doesn't want to hear anything that would diminish its control.



Budheart/Barbara: "A while ago I read Cisco Wheeler´the Illuminati formula to create a total mind controlled slave...a heavy reading to be honest...
One of the aspects that attracted my attention the most, was the idea they have (controllers, programmers) to isolate the core of your being or your psyche, and even create inside you a false-core, so that you relate to the false core of yourself and not to the real one. They make very much sure this is so...but don´t explain why...for us to find why..."

This would be very easy to do because it occurs on its own by familial, religious, and social conditioning. To everyone. By the time we reach our early adult life this has usually begun to manifest. We create our shadow self, a parastical being/ ourselves or rather we continue to perpetrate its growth. It absolutely wouldn't be problem for an outside influence to bear pressure on whatever is pre existing false core values and beliefs we are holding. Neither would it have to be some vague government agency. Anyone with an agenda could do it. I always wondered why programmers went through the effort of using acute trauma to force an alternate persona from someone, when this way is much more inclined to stick. The mechanism is already in place and began rooting in early childhood. The over growth of the shadow self can be acute enough to attract external influences randomly and the hosts are hesitant to give them up because it gives a false sense of empowerment. Nope not a problem at all, to be done on a psyche level or by direct influence. All one would need is a good understanding of how the psyche of the already preconditioned population is working.

One could pick any number of people based on their expression of inner imbedded condition, core values-beliefs and build them up into something they aren't face to face. This is how fraud gurus get thier shill. There's a pseudo shaman in my area who is quite psychic but ....he cruises grocery stores looking for bored discontent housewives and says. Oh my god, you're a shaman..oh you poor thing...you don't even know it. " Quite an enticement to the dis-empowered who don't realize they are being offered a label as shamanism is a state of being not a label.

Extends an offer of power to the disempowered. And the shill is in motion. Coincedentally we have dozens of bored houswives in the area that learned shamanism in a weekend. They have had a false persona superimposed...but their still wounded. Whenever you are standing in a power that is not your own, its a false empowerment.

Because people are too dis-empowered, attached to their falsely engineered persona, to get in touch with their true core, they will in an effort to claim an identity quickly glom onto the false one presented. It gives them a false sense of power. More importantly a sense of identity that was lacking or perceived as 'better' than the pre existing one.

Its never imposed on anyone. The subconsciously ego opens the door to it based on what is going on in the inner landscape. Any one of the woman our pseudo shaman approached could have refused this offer. But they wanted it.

If one takes the clean journey into the inner self, you become impervious to that sort of conditioning. There's no trauma left inside manipulate or work with. Get the inner landscape as clean as possible and they don't have to worry about things like this occurring. These sorts of things just don't happen to people who go inside and start working on unfragmenting into a wholer self. Indeed if you don't you will attract that sort of thing into your life. How else does our pseudo shaman invariably We broadcast loud and clear and what we broadcast is our core values and beliefs. We also broadcast our woundedness and inner trauma to those who have an ear out for it. I mean I take anyone person in this forum to impose this on, choosing simply by their expression. I wouldn't but could. Think about what someone could do who had some real influences and resources behind them could do.

I can clearly understand the point of this piece. But it is fluff. What I mean is that it is so constrained by its own theoretical thinking that nobody is going to buy it. Simply, it is not efficacious and will not strike a chord in the people who need it. You might identify with this, but most won't. This is the problem with a lot of specialised theory of seeing self, people who need it just don't see the point. So it is useless as a tool of thought for solving the practical issues. A shame, but that's where most of humanity is situated. If you want to appeal to the masses your message needs to be crystal clear and crystal simple.

[Icecold]

I posted this as a considered afterthought to my post in reference to your contribution. forgive me for my manner.

9Eagle9. I know how much work you put into your post. I can see it. And I can see that your thoughts come from a very worthy place. Your message rings clear and true for me who is struggling to awaken. I understand your sublime perspective and appreciate your contriibution to this thread and these thoughts. I meant you no disrespect. i welcome your thoughts always. I thought this need to be said.

[9eagle9]

Thanks Sheddie, that is the basis of all shamanic practice, excorcizing the shadow self and parastical attachments and thought forms we develop that are so easily influenced by external forces. Shamanism if very psychological. Even when aboriginal people express it in primitive terms its the same thing. Even Native American medicine people will express one is in or has a bad spirit. It's the shadow self. Humankinds medicine people all over have known this for thousands of years. I doubt Jesus wrestled in the desert with the devil, it was more likely he was engaged in a ego struggle. When I taught woman's shamanic studies the students eventually woke up to the fact that I wasn't teaching them anything, I wasn't doing anything, I was only pointing out what imprisoned them and THEY worked to get out of their prison. Some didn't, they said it sounded too simplistic but for those who started manifesting into their physical lives... The bells and whistles were just a means to keep the ego distracted so once can slide in there and start to undermine it. . It takes a community to do this with each other. Ego work just can't be done alone. It's easy demonstratable. Too many people are doing it and expressing it in their physical lives for it to be dismissed as theory (Thank you God!)

And I still daily have to keep a look out for ego entrapments of my own. Its very nice to be in the company of people who come to their SELF realization. They always tell you when your ego slip is peeking out from under your dress. What is nice is I can stop and adjust my ego instead of flying into a fit of reaction.

But the empowerment and freedom wrought from doing the work.....wow. People want effortless health, effortless finances and money, effortless problem solving, peace, contentment. Its all there for the taking inside you , and the more you do it the more abundant it becomes. Which is the good part, there is no threshold it keeps growing. But the willingness to first acknowledge what holds us back and then kicking its ass is what holds us back.

When one feels they are going mad, that is the shamanic side inside of all of us that is begging to be expressed. a shaman being nothing more than someone who has lost their mind (or a portion of it..lol)

I'm glad you took the journey and know that it just gets better and better from there. (thank you god)




Its never imposed on anyone. The subconsciously ego opens the door to it based on what is going on in the inner landscape. Any one of the woman our pseudo shaman approached could have refused this offer. But they wanted it.

If one takes the clean journey into the inner self, you become impervious to that sort of conditioning. There's no trauma left inside manipulate or work with. Get the inner landscape as clean as possible and they don't have to worry about things like this occurring. These sorts of things just don't happen to people who go inside and start working on unfragmenting into a wholer self. Indeed if you don't you will attract that sort of thing into your life. How else does our pseudo shaman invariably We broadcast loud and clear and what we broadcast is our core values and beliefs. We also broadcast our woundedness and inner trauma to those who have an ear out for it. I mean I take anyone person in this forum to impose this on, choosing simply by their expression. I wouldn't but could. Think about what someone could do who had some real influences and resources behind them could do.



Thank you 9eagle9.........so well explained and articulated :agree:

I have had direct experience with such a person a few years ago. I am extremely grateful to her, she has been one of my greatest teachers. She helped me to be where I am today but I wouldn't advise anyone to learn from such a lesson....it was extremely painful.

I had to look deeply within myself to find the real me, to find the person that doesn’t need approval from anyone else. Doing my Shamanic Practitioners course was the catalyst for change; I have never felt alone since.

I'm a much stronger person now and can see when it is being done. Thank you for posting this, your posts are full of wisdom and have many times put into words what I feel but can't express.

This is a very real and can cause deep and lasting damage. I thought I was going mad, no-one else could see what was happening. These people are very clever, manipulative and oh so helpful - until you cross them - they know exactly the right words to say to trigger the required response.

I wish I had found this site when I was going through all that but then again, all in divine and perfect timing. I have been following Avalon since A1 it is a fantastic forum.

Thank you all for making me feel so welcome…………..and safe :thank_you2:

sent from the heart

[9eagle9]

Thank you and your welcome.


I posted this as a considered afterthought to my post in reference to your contribution. forgive me for my manner.

9Eagle9. I know how much work you put into your post. I can see it. And I can see that your thoughts come from a very worthy place. Your message rings clear and true for me who is struggling to awaken. I understand your sublime perspective and appreciate your contriibution to this thread and these thoughts. I meant you no disrespect. i welcome your thoughts always. I thought this need to be said.

[Scout]

A zapper vibrates at certain frequencies that effectively "explode" the parasite, thus allowing the body to naturally eliminate it. The only attack is by creating an environment alien to it. By working on ourselves, raising our own vibration (call it awakening, if you prefer), we can create such an environment that the programming will have no effect. Joined together with others who are doing the same, we create a frequency that the parasites can no longer survive in. Just a thought.

I like this thought - very insightful

[Whitehaze]

List some things that are parasitical in your daily life........identify them.

[9eagle9]

Not whole lot of overt ones, but I've been working on myself for a while. Its more like the attempt of intrustion is made now but the duration of the relationship is cut short because I know what what behaviors the parasites expressed. In myself and externally. The tax man is gone....lol. That's overt parasites. My problem has always been covert ones. You get rid of the coverts and overts like financial drain soon follow.

I still get entagled however briefly now and again because parasitical are always coming up with new and improved ways to get under your skin. Like MSM does. So now its more or less attempted intrusion, but still based on my issues that they are attracted to and suck into.

Most parasitical behavior is expressed in codependency on physical and energetic levels. Types of co dependency is where we get our lists, but CD is nearly always the root cause. Nothing can really feed off of you without your conscious or unconscious permission, because the connection is mutual; one is getting something out of being a victim to a parasite, energy vampire or whatever.

Why does the abused remain with the abuser? They’re getting something out it besides a few black eyes. Maybe their sense of self value is so low they'll put up with anything to keep a roof over the head.

My personal stumbling blocks.

People who try to tweeze at my heart strings to get an emo response they can feed off of. The “ I care so much I’m opening my heart to you and letting it bleed all over but in reality I wouldn’t piss on you if you on fire.” Bless you to your face, curse you behind your back. My reaction validates them. Once that happens they are no longer in need of an association with me. So I don’t react to them. A response will go over their head and leave them flat. This is my problem though .Their behavior but my problem.

Emotional extortion. Let me do something for you please... (so I can cash in on it on a later date and feed off of you forever.)


Needy (parastical) people find me because of my own false need. I needed to "fix people right because I was raised with the conditioning that I was always wrong. “ A sort of messed up opposing core belief. If I fix someone right, I will finally not be wrong all the time. This didn't stop until I fully acknowledged I never did anything wrong in the first place. It was something my parents imposed on me.

The level of progress I’ve made with this is that I only used to attract abusive co dependents that would attack me. That progressed to passive people who would cling to me until I turned them into big blabbery co dependent assholes who had their self identity wrapped up in me. My belief is that I was turning them into big blabbery assholes. In actuality they were just waiting to be triggered.

Now it’s progressed into turning the parasitical behaviorists into pillars of salt. I talk they freeze. They don’t attempt to needle me for a emo reaction anymore because I see it’s a form of manipulation. To them I’m cold and aloof because I won’t play the emo violin with them so my previous attraction is no longer there because I’m no longer emitting it. They feel insulted and rejected when no insult has been given. Not good but an improvement. A vast improvement over people who'd scream that I brought out the worst in them before smacking me in the face. Maybe the worst in them needed to come out and I was just the trigger? Who knows.

There’s another step beyond this where I attract a healthier lot of people that are more interdependent and I’m working on it.

[sunnyrap]

This is just my 2c on this discussion, but on the practical level, I think trying to 'wake others up' can be a kind of violence, as it transgresses on another's sovereignty and often just entrenches them further in their current state, as people will naturally defend themselves against what they do not understand/a position that they are 'not right'/'asleep'/unacceptible. That is not to say you should not speak your truth--I think that is what we are all here to do. But we can simply offer our point of view as our contribution to be received or not, as the recipient chooses.

That doesn't mean you are sitting back doing nothing. Physicists have noted for some time that consciousness changes what is observed and quite materially. Consciousness is energy. Energy added into the equation has a physical effect on what is observed. Desire seems to be another aspect of consciousness that adds a dimension of intention to what is observed. I observe A, I desire B. There is nothing to do really but keep opening your eyes and mind wider and observe and acknowledge your desire regarding it. Doing something about a problem tends to make the problem bigger, harder, more unresolvable because you are adding energy to the problem, not the solution. Simply observing the problem and noting what you desire with regards to it (then waiting expectantly for response from the ether from your 'rocket of desire' as Abraham-Hicks puts it, that 'quickens' you towards your desire tends to make the problem disappear or transform.

I freely admit knowing this stuff and actually staying true to these principles is a daily workout--but I love the results when I can actually accomplish it.

[9eagle9]

This is true, you can't save people. You can only stick it out there and hope for the best. But no you can't impose anything on people particularly if you have not reflected it in your own life. Which what a lot of soap box teachers of the old paradigms and new do.

But I can't give anything to anyone unless I have first expressed it in my own life. If I don't have it how am I going to give it away? You can't give away what you don't have. And where does one get the credibility in offering it in the first place if they haven't demonstrated it in their own existence. In order to teach abundance effortless living, disease reversal, age reversal, I had to express it physically in my sphere. Otherwise i'm just talking. Talk is cheap, results is a little bit more hard to come by. I get ecturers in my life. The sustainable living experts criticize my projects without ever having built a sustainable project or intentioned living community on their own. The healers bark at me about spiritual health without ever addressing their own.

Those are parasites as well.

If we are not careful and mindful in how we crusade to save people we risk becoming what we are trying to get away from. Leading a horse to water. People can show but its always back our willingness to attempt to come to wholeness. That's more an internal event. When people make that decision that's when the support group comes in. No amount of external resource is going to help anyone, and may even further entrench whatever their issues are.




This is just my 2c on this discussion, but on the practical level, I think trying to 'wake others up' can be a kind of violence, as it transgresses on another's sovereignty and often just entrenches them further in their current state, as people will naturally defend themselves against what they do not understand/a position that they are 'not right'/'asleep'/unacceptible. That is not to say you should not speak your truth--I think that is what we are all here to do. But we can simply offer our point of view as our contribution to be received or not, as the recipient chooses.

That doesn't mean you are sitting back doing nothing. Physicists have noted for some time that consciousness changes what is observed and quite materially. Consciousness is energy. Energy added into the equation has a physical effect on what is observed. Desire seems to be another aspect of consciousness that adds a dimension of intention to what is observed. I observe A, I desire B. There is nothing to do really but keep opening your eyes and mind wider and observe and acknowledge your desire regarding it. Doing something about a problem tends to make the problem bigger, harder, more unresolvable because you are adding energy to the problem, not the solution. Simply observing the problem and noting what you desire with regards to it (then waiting expectantly for response from the ether from your 'rocket of desire' as Abraham-Hicks puts it, that 'quickens' you towards your desire tends to make the problem disappear or transform.

I freely admit knowing this stuff and actually staying true to these principles is a daily workout--but I love the results when I can actually accomplish it.

[write4change]

AAAAAhhhh, walking the talk. The thing you wrote eagle about having to have it in order to give it away is of such importance. It goes with you cannot truly teach what you do not know.

One of the famous shrinks I always had a problem with was Dr. Leo Busgali of USC. He is the father of the concept of unconditional love. He spoke so well and glowingly about it and how to do it. But the reality of his whole life is that he never had an intimate live in relationship of any kind. He never married, never had children, and there was no record that he ever lived with anyone. I have a hard time to give an credence to anything he said because while it sounded great--he certainly never tried to live it.

One of my favorite shrinks Dr. David Viscott was highly intuitive and I thought he did a lot of good work. He was a role model for me. But he had multiple deeply failed personal relationships and he ultimately committed suicide.

Thus, I have learned to "feel" for authenticity.

[sunnyrap]

Yes, support groups can be wonderful tools for continuing your expansion--as long as you remain in charge of your expansion and avoid giving up power and authority to someone/s who 'seem' to have it more together than you. Just as often support groups can just drag you down with their entrenched mind sets. Have to stay ever vigilant and monitor whether a group is really helping you be more at home with yourself and your own power...or is creating the impression that you will drown/suffer/lose/be dysfunctional without them/the leader.

[Merkaba360]

I'm afraid the situation is much worse than we might think.

Think about it. How do u take infinite consciousness and turn it into what we have today. I don't think the human (oid?) parasites are the root of the problem. I think their particular awareness has been carved out by another parasite to cause the division and act as a tool for them to further degrade consciousness from the inside.

I have a feeling , the original parasite is much much older and are far more aware than the human parasites. It seems it would have had to be much more alien then the aliens we think of. The antithesis of our consciousness. So diametrically opposite that we wouldn't even conceive of its encroachment and take over. It most likely would have taken a very long time as well.

I just don't see how some beings locked in a body could imprison infinite consciousness. I'm talking about before any of this idea of being locked in a body took place. Hope that makes some sense, kind of hard for me to explain. The cabal manipulates us thru the use of duality and pitting us against each other. So, my hunch is that there is a very foreign consciousness that carved out our predicament and pitted us against each other. Only if the cabal realized they are slaves too.

Just felt i needed to say that.

Good thread and i do think a large amount of humans will make the leap. The world we perceive is already past. recollection, recollection. We are seeing reality as its fading away, not as its approaching. Hence, I strongly feel this is the main reason that humans are procrastinators. We don't even perceive the world until the last minute. lol

My point is that this comforts me to think we are underestimating the amount of procrastinators that will come around. :)

[9eagle9]

Merkaba, I'm glad you said it. What you described is another complex layer of the game. The cabal is as much of a pawn to it as the average person.Usually what they offer is just more engagement in a game. Albeit they are bit better at playing it than us which it what gives them the appearance of being in control. But they can't quite figure out how to get out of the game. Once one becomes aware of how the game is played it doesn't matter if you are cabal or common stock. You may not be able to get out of the game immediately but ...you can make the game play in your favor until the time comes when you're ready to cash in your monopoly cash.

Some common folk such as yourself are begining to idenitify how the game is played. Or that one exists at all. Who knew it was all a game? Not all the way, its very complex, very old and people put a new ball into play everyday. For myself personallly I called that the Opposing Force vs. Balance.

You're right its been played out for thousands of years. Because much of it has been acted out behind the scenes (which means in plain sight) and even on other dimensions there's not much of a direct awareness of it. Our wounds and ego issues and conditioning is what keeps us from seeing the game that we are playing in. That's all.

When we become a little more aware the little games are revealed right on our level. Like one day we wake up to the fact that the ongoing family drama of Uncle Fred's drinking is really an elaborate control drama game. Where as before it seemed like it was real problem, then you see how its created by the participants, the enablers, etc. least of all Uncle Fred. It's perpetrated. What the hell would they do if Uncle Fred stopped participating in the game by not drinking anymore. They'd create another drama (game) to take its place. Call it a game, call it a script, (I prefer script actually) and we all assume roles in it until we decide not to.

know what I mean?

[sunnyrap]

Yes, its the only conclusion you can come to--hidden alien interference is a cause of humans turning on each other. That in itself is anti-survival therefore un-natural for people to do on their own. The food guru made an excellent point, in that when we agree to the parasites' game, we become slaves to it and serve only their agenda. Once we become conscious of it, we can disagree and disentangle ourselves from it. I really do see that, and at the same time, find it a tough tough game to get out of since we've been grooved in for so long. You really have to come up with a truly do-able alternative game that gives you strong positive reinforcement. I'm all for anyone sharing positive experiences of that...

[Cottage Rose]

Hi Rose,

yes I post on another all American forum and have been keeping up with the politics over there.

My question is....how do you non-violently get rid of the rats?

Has to be blood and iron. They won't go quietly.

I know what bastards they are. I dislike Cheney and Rumsfeld intensely.

No there is nothing wrong with it. My point was that you will have to use violence to remove them.

But I see labeling them as 'sociopaths' or 'psychopaths' is a means to legitimise the slaughter.

What will be will be. Good luck over there.

Good Afternoon Ice:

It is my understanding a non-violent means to deal with the worst offenders has been placed on the table with Charles' offer of assistance. Targeting the sociopaths "financially" and in other legal ways to pull them out of power. Isn't this part of the game plan?

Step one is identifying them. Chicodoodoo appears to have been giving this identifying process a lot of thought and I believe it is a necessary part of the debate.

Step two is replacing them. How would one go about finding uncorruptible empathetic people in the charade realm of politics to put in place afterwards?

(I just had another deja vu.......)

Cottage Rose

[Budaheart]

9eagle9 I highly enjoyed your post many thanks for it. Indeed you described it!...the Natis...(to call them something) only use natural mechanisms of the psyche to create their mind control stuff, they are just using forces of the psyche to play to THEIR ADVANTAGE not the individual´s one. So getting to know how this works, is essential to avoid it to happen. Again on simple terms and practical terms, its about being AWARE and mindful of these dynamics, and in order for this to be, we need some information around because we never got to study this in school, did we? I never got to learn about emotions, about so many things! I had to learn them by myself, when my curious and inquiring mind pushed me to do so, our my Spirit, better said!...

Blessings to all, get thread keep at it!
Love
Barbara

[9eagle9]

Undermining them financially can start right now. Passively.

Corporate cabels: Quit buying their ****. Their poison foods, toothpaste, cosmetics, food. Buy locally from people like yourself who you trust that express their gratitude by having the decency not to poison you with their product. Costs more NOW, but a few extra bucks for unadulterated tomatoes saves money in the long run when the surgeon doesn't have to extract tentacles from your digestive tract. That could be expensive. Once we build up those sorts of honest business the way we feed the corrupt ones, the price will come down. There's some things we're just stuck with for the time being like gasoline but....starting now makes a determination of where you are heading in the future.

Health Care and Insurance: Stop paying for it, do we post nine zillion articles about natural health care just to talk about it? Do it. Understand how it works from someone who has proven track record in CURING (not treating) people. They don't care about your health, they want your money. This is legalized form of gambling by the way. Pay 12 grand a year for health insurance and you cash in with one 60 dollar office visit. Not good odds.

Taxes: Stop paying for the privilege of being a slave. WE pay THEM to keep us enslaved. Who is responsible here, THEM or us? Of course they'll keep taking our money as long as we keep paying it. . Learn to how to play their game. Do it legally . I'm a minister. The only reason I am a minister other than I'm a spiritual counselor/ healer and I could get my hands spanked for touching people without having a license in something is ....because my 'church,' due to THEIR current statutes are not quite as vulnerable to their theft. Non profit corporation. Can't go to seminary school, write me I"ll ordain you.I don't care if you want to be the Revenerend of Rock and Roll. Like a few forbidden plants for medicinal purposes.? Stick them under a religious statue. That sacred brainwashing cow of religion is still practically inviolate. They need it to keep us brainwashed still. Making the crap THEY put in place work in your favor.

Not to mention there's tons of information on UCC law that teaches us how to circumvent their minefields. Now one or two people do this and get spanked, that's one thing. Get EVERYONE doing it and its very difficult to round up an entire nation of people and put them in the slammer. , they need that money.We're the stock option, we don't have to pay dividends though, that's what THEY are conditioned to believe. At the very least find the options of how you can keep your money legally.

My friend who fought for years to her disability and it was denied to her even though she had everything, crippling diabetes, cancer,agoraphobia, back and knees all screwed up --the whole nine yards. For ten years she tried. Finally she told the SSI review board she was a psychic. They shut her up fast with a check and complete disability benefits in a way that the cancer, etc couldn't.. That one little word. Psychic. Of course they didn't state this as her qualifying condition. ....She was classified as legally retarded therefore eligible.

Their scared of us.

Remember that.

[Chicodoodoo]

Parasite is such, because system allows him to be like that.

Complex, interlocking system of behaviours is what makes this planet ticks.

Failure to understand that you cannot "throw away" part of the system without redesigning WHOLE, dooms any "change" endeavour.

In the game, those playing according to rules complete it. Score is what matters. What is the score in our current game?
What behaviours are encouraged, which ones are not?

Looking for single problem and focusing on it is part of our wired-in programming.
Same as looking for technical solutions in systemic failures... looking for faulty cog in mechanism designed for other task than one you need it to perform is simple waste of time.

Yet so many waste their time-energy doing just that. Looking for a cog to blame.

This is like saying failure is a part of success (and it is), and then concluding that neither failure or success matters. I can't tell you how many times replacing a failed cog has restored a valuable system from utter uselessness to full functionality. It's what I do for a living, so I admit my bias. I live, so it matters to me.

Likewise, claiming that the parasite/host duality must be correct because it exists is fine, if you're the parasite, but not so fine if you're the host. Sure, you can remove all perspective and claim everything is perfect and exactly the way it is supposed to be, but I simply don't buy it.

[Chicodoodoo]

Its never imposed on anyone. The subconsciously ego opens the door to it based on what is going on in the inner landscape. Any one of the woman our pseudo shaman approached could have refused this offer. But they wanted it.

I disagree. It is a subtle distinction, but a very important one. It's not that they wanted it. It's that they didn't know that they didn't want it.

[9eagle9]

And there is where self responsibility is lost.

The fact we ignore what is going on inside of us is always going to be an easy excuse ...one easily alleviated by finding out who you REALLY are so you can know what one really wants .

[Belle]

List some things that are parasitical in your daily life........identify them.

Competition. One team against another. One person against another. Once it enters, everything is open to compete against. The ego thrives on this. You can see right here at Avalon...there's competition for Charles' attention, for being one of the 18, for knowing more than someone else about a subject or for knowing less, etc. Some of the nastiness we see between members stems from someone feeling like they're in a competition rather than a discussion. It runs deep and it can be very subtle. After all, we are taught this from the moment we go to school...some even earlier if their parents are deeply competitive.

[Chicodoodoo]

And there is where self responsibility is lost.

The fact we ignore what is going on inside of us is always going to be an easy excuse ...one easily alleviated by finding out who you REALLY are so you can know what one really wants .

It's not a question of deliberately ignoring what's going on inside of you. It's a question of ignorance. We are all ignorant, it's just a matter of degree.

Basically, you are saying we are responsible for knowing everything. It's not going to happen, and so we have to work within our resources.

[Scout]

List some things that are parasitical in your daily life........identify them.

Competition. One team against another. One person against another. Once it enters, everything is open to compete against. The ego thrives on this. You can see right here at Avalon...there's competition for Charles' attention, for being one of the 18, for knowing more than someone else about a subject or for knowing less, etc. Some of the nastiness we see between members stems from someone feeling like they're in a competition rather than a discussion. It runs deep and it can be very subtle. After all, we are taught this from the moment we go to school...some even earlier if their parents are deeply competitive.

I agree with you Belle. I was going to say work, but you have nailed it here, because for me at least it is not the work itself but the competition involved at the workplace. I think this is pervasive among those of us who work within the "system." This goes hand in hand with money for me - the more you have, the more you want, which in turn feeds to competition to be "better" and ultimately get "rewarded" for being better.

[9eagle9]

Once we are aware we know longer have an excuse. How much of it is deliberate? If one just looks at their life and sees failing health, financial crisis and difficult relationships doesn't that sort a clue us in that something is wrong? Forgive me or do people think that's natural or just the way it is? Are people seriously that blind to their life? STILL? With all the resources available to us people still aren't getting a clue? Or are they ignoring it? If your life is falling in around your ears how does one ignore that? Whatever is going on inside of is reflected on the outside. So when its right there for the bare eyes to see how does one justify saying its ignorance. Or is it blindness? We are so insensitive to the suffering of others I strongly suspect its because we are so desensitized to our own suffering.




And there is where self responsibility is lost.

The fact we ignore what is going on inside of us is always going to be an easy excuse ...one easily alleviated by finding out who you REALLY are so you can know what one really wants .

It's not a question of deliberately ignoring what's going on inside of you. It's a question of ignorance. We are all ignorant, it's just a matter of degree.

Basically, you are saying we are responsible for knowing everything. It's not going to happen, and so we have to work within our resources.

[write4change]

ooooo eagle. I feel like my raccoon Zooey. Just like you can't give what you don't have --- you can't feel what has been so damped down.

I feel TPTB have really worked on this with the media. The escalation of violence when I first saw Bonnie and Clyde I got physically sick has to get up and leave to vomit for me it was so intense. This was not cool. Not rad. In time I knew I had succeeded when I could watch RoboCop without flinching.

One of things I liked so much about Dances with Wolves is that you know we killed the buffalo to almost extinction so the Indians would have nothing to eat. But seeing it---the true obscenity of it. Of seeing the Indians so deeply horrorfied they have nothing to say because it is there before your eyes---the depravity of the white man. And we are taught to accept that as right and just so we could manifest our destiny. Now we still call the Indians parasites and resent them for many things. Mostly that some still survived so there is still memory of it.

[Whitehaze]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fELpxQ_Wn3o

[Arrowwind]

Deprograming...

its a gradual uphill climb. When you get to the top you can see forever.

My kids use to say that I was a bad mom.... omg! a bad mom? I spend coutless hours in various types of therapy and ceremony only to get this?

I said to them, I have done the best I can.. I am significantly freer than my mother, and she was freer than her mother, and I can see already that you are freeer than I was at your age.

(hey, the kids are older now. They don't say that anymore but at the time it was of considerable pause for reflection.)

I say to them Keep it in mind when you raise your own kids.

I see many people deprograming. If you don't see it you need to open your eyes further.

I have seen people deprogram a total life while laying in their death bed. It is amazing.. it can happen anytime
but all too often when one feels pressed against the wall of time... but it does not matter


Just consider for a few minutes how life was for a housewife 60 years ago and look around now.

There are more free people now than ever.

masses of people are deprograming... its a huge work...and one that needs to move from generation to generation for us to grok the full effect and magnitude of the work

Deprograming often seems to be an undending tast... but eventually they tell me, enlightment comes... and the golden mean will compress the events so things will happen faster than you would think..... things are speeding up

but I feel my freedom. There isnt much that runs me outside of myself... it can be done and if I am doing it... it is being done...all around the world

Why focus on the lame and uninitiated? Focus on those who are doing the work and you will see that the work is being done like never before.

[Icecold]

Non compliance.



A great thread WhiteHaze. :)

[Chicodoodoo]

One of things I liked so much about Dances with Wolves is that you know we killed the buffalo to almost extinction so the Indians would have nothing to eat. But seeing it---the true obscenity of it. Of seeing the Indians so deeply horrorfied they have nothing to say because it is there before your eyes---the depravity of the white man. And we are taught to accept that as right and just so we could manifest our destiny. Now we still call the Indians parasites and resent them for many things. Mostly that some still survived so there is still memory of it.

There is a great lesson here. Native American society was close to the holographic model. There was very little hierarchy. Sociopaths could not flourish in that society because they were quickly recognized as being bad for the common good and shunned as a result. Along comes the white man, but unknown to the Native Americans, and unimaginable to them as well, the white man is directed and lead by sociopaths. The resulting destruction to the native peoples was the equivalent of a perfect storm. That a human, as they understood it, could behave in such a shameful manner was simply beyond their comprehension. The sociopaths decimated the natives, and they did it with no empathy, no shame, no remorse, no responsibility, and a well-developed forked tongue.

[Otho]

This video shows how a parasitic worm actually highjacks the brain of a grasshopper and causes it to commit suicide by hopping into water where the horsehair worm can move on to the next phase of it's life cycle.

Kind of like what the banks are doing to all these countries.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5220551385066049121#

[Whitehaze]

In the 19th century, the incessant westward expansion of the United States incrementally compelled large numbers of Native Americans to resettle further west, often by force, almost always reluctantly. Native Americans believed this forced relocation illegal, given the Hopewell Treaty of 1785. Under President Andrew Jackson, United States Congress passed the Indian Removal Act of 1830, which authorized the President to conduct treaties to exchange Native American land east of the Mississippi River for lands west of the river. As many as 100,000 Native Americans relocated to the West as a result of this Indian Removal policy. In theory, relocation was supposed to be voluntary and many Native Americans did remain in the East. In practice, great pressure was put on Native American leaders to sign removal treaties.

The most egregious violation of the stated intention of the removal policy took place under the Treaty of New Echota, which was signed by a dissident faction of Cherokees but not the elected leadership. President Jackson rigidly enforced the treaty, which resulted in the deaths of an estimated 4,000 Cherokees on the Trail of Tears. About 17,000 Cherokees, along with approximately 2,000 enslaved blacks held by Cherokees, were removed from their homes.

Tribes were generally located to reservations where they could more easily be separated from traditional life and pushed into European-American society. Some southern states additionally enacted laws in the 19th century forbidding non-Native American settlement on Native American lands, with the intention to prevent sympathetic white missionaries from aiding the scattered Native American resistance.



Parasitic behavior in history

[sjkted]

Getting rid of your own parasitic behaviors does not get rid of the parasitic behaviors of the sociopaths running the world. They are the ones delivering the paradigm that encourages internal parasitic behaviors.


Indeed. This is nothing but new age thought which is co-opted by TPTB as a future new world religion. In addition, it completely ignores the true history of the world which includes the genocide of indigenous people by sociopaths in Western countries. We are all hosting parasites. Is it really reasonable to say each and every one of us deserves these parasites in order to grow?

--sjkted

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The nightmare is at the end of the road we are currently traveling. If the only result of being identified as a sociopath is that said sociopath cannot hold positions of societal power or control, where's the harm? For 98% of the population, that means there is no direct change in their personal lives. If I should be diagnosed as a sociopath (either properly or by accident), it might mean I can't participate in federal, state, county, or local legislatures. No sweat off my back. So what are you worried about? The nightmare is coming up fast if we continue to do nothing!


The nightmare is the default setting. It's the freight train that's coming at us at full speed and will continue UNLESS we do something ASAP.

--sjkted

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In the future we need to see that there is no structure for power.


How???

--sjkted

[sjkted]

Parasite is such, because system allows him to be like that.

Complex, interlocking system of behaviours is what makes this planet ticks.

Failure to understand that you cannot "throw away" part of the system without redesigning WHOLE, dooms any "change" endeavour.

In the game, those playing according to rules complete it. Score is what matters. What is the score in our current game?
What behaviours are encouraged, which ones are not?


It's not just that the parasites are such because the system allows them to be so. It's the the parasites have engineered the system and hoodwinked the rest of us (or coerced our ancestors through violence or threat of violence) to use the system.

Yes, we won't be able to just replace the parasites (sociopaths) alone and keep everything else the same. It's a good time for this change though .. everything else seems to be crumbling anyways.

--sjkted

[Scout]

Once we are aware we know longer have an excuse. How much of it is deliberate? If one just looks at their life and sees failing health, financial crisis and difficult relationships doesn't that sort a clue us in that something is wrong? Forgive me or do people think that's natural or just the way it is? Are people seriously that blind to their life? STILL? With all the resources available to us people still aren't getting a clue? Or are they ignoring it? If your life is falling in around your ears how does one ignore that? Whatever is going on inside of is reflected on the outside. So when its right there for the bare eyes to see how does one justify saying its ignorance. Or is it blindness? We are so insensitive to the suffering of others I strongly suspect its because we are so desensitized to our own suffering.




And there is where self responsibility is lost.

The fact we ignore what is going on inside of us is always going to be an easy excuse ...one easily alleviated by finding out who you REALLY are so you can know what one really wants .

It's not a question of deliberately ignoring what's going on inside of you. It's a question of ignorance. We are all ignorant, it's just a matter of degree.

Basically, you are saying we are responsible for knowing everything. It's not going to happen, and so we have to work within our resources.

Wow, this is such a great thread!

There are so many issues at play here, it could be its own paradigm. With regard to responsibility, I think the vast majority are paralyzed by fear. Maybe one is always ill, in a job that that they hate, in a loveless marriage - but at least they have "security". I think at least subconsciously maybe there is an awareness that the "dis" "ease" is resulting in the disease, but most struggle with, "what's the alternative?" At least in the Westernized countries there is a great fear of "not having enough"

Why is this? Why do we fear scarcity?

My personal belief is that on a cellular level maybe we remember what true scarcity feels like. Perhaps there is a soul memory from the last ice age?
The trouble is, none of us who have been educated through the traditional system have any concept of true history - they certainly didn't teach us about Atlantis in grade 9 intro to history, that's for sure.

I was arguing this with a family member a few weeks ago - my point was that society as a whole should take responsibility - it is our own fault that we don't open our eyes and allow decisions to be made on our behalf, as we are totally oblivious to the truth and content to ignore everything as long as we are warm, our belly are full and we can watch American Idol in HD.

Her point was this - have some compassion. Remember, it is hard to see the truth when you have been brainwashed and conditioned from birth. When you are told to take an aspirin. The discomfort you feel is normal, and the history you have told is all a lie. Waking up is painful.

Sorry that the above is a little disjointed, I have so many thoughts on this topic, sometimes it is difficult to get everything on paper :doh:

[9eagle9]

It's basically because people give up one form of belief conditioning for another. Belief hopping isn't really awakening. It's becoming aware of another belief system.

Awakening is waking up to yourself.

People become awake by addressing things like you mentioned. Cellular memory, ego softening, reflecting on how conditioning is manifesting on their life now. Then finding a way to correct the conditioning. Doing the things that help you to know again. The things that help you to know who you are.

Versus...

Finding a guru, finding a new book, more ego engagement (with the understanding an ego is parasitical on its own) finding something that sounds nice and believing it. Being flattered essentially.They help people to believe who they are. Not know and experience who and what they are.

Believing and thinking aren't knowing. Knowing is knowing. If you know something you don't have to think. Beliefs are really just thoughts. Knowing is knowing. Thinking isn't knowing.

I'm asking people...how are your belief systems serving them?

I KNOW that people say "This just ain't right" "Life shouldn't be this way" "This is wrong"

So I KNOW they KNOW something isn't right. So people can't tell me that they don't know something is wrong due to conditioning.. They don't know what to do about it. because their new belief systems aren't telling or helping them.

So asking yourself how does my belief system serving me? And what is it doing for me? Belief systems will tell us we have a problem, but unless they tell how to fix the problem with relatively fast results...how is it serving us precisely? That is the same sort of old conditioning. How someone will keep buying the same product over and over even though its not delivering what it said it did. Then people revert back to "Something is wrong with me" . There's nothing WRONG with people. Something is WRONG with their belief systems if the beleif system is not serving them.

[Whitehaze]

It's basically because people give up one form of belief conditioning for another. Belief hopping isn't really awakening. It's becoming aware of another belief system.



Thank you for causing me to think instead of a belief system, perhaps a 'knowing system' might be worth consideration. I will definately have this on my plate today.

[9eagle9]

I'm glad you brought this up Whitehaze its the root of everyone's problem. I guess because people didn't come back a whole lot about what sorts of parasiticals they have in their life, and because the two are related, a good question would be....

What do you want/ need in you life that isn't manifested?

As soon as you ID that, there begins trail to the parasite. Or rather a core value or belief we are holding that prevents whatever it may be that attracts the parasite. It'ws what we are missing in life that clues us in that something is wrong. Health, money, finances, peace, what ever it is that some is struggling with is where the parasites are going to attach at?

I mean someone telling me they want world peace is fine, but do they have peace for themselves. And if we woke up tomorrow and the world was all peaceful and one's life was a still a wreck how would you feel?

[Carmody]

see the 'who's driving the dreambus' documentary thread in the spirituality area. My post is #29 in that thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10942-Who-s-Driving-The-Dreambus-The-Documentary&p=154520&viewfull=1#post154520

I am somtimes wandering about in their pre-now (has yet to happen) temporal exclusion bubbles of coming anticipation, and most are still so ego driven that they are entirely unaware that they are doing this. In this case, it was the core group of a major downtown core of a city of +3M people. All these 'bubbles' of shifting action and 'reality anticipation formation' were connected, for the most part. A romper room of coming temporal anticipation. And I was in those spaces.

'don't panic'.

You merely need to begin to realize the levels of personal control at all your levels of co-creation and connectedness in this multi-verse.

See the dreamland bus documentary. I think it is important to do so. It isn't a perfect documentary on the subject.... but it is darn close. it is an excellent refresher for the rest of us,and it gets the essential points right, concerning the settling down of the ego-self into the open state of knowing and nothingness.

[Whitehaze]

What do you want/ need in you life that isn't manifested?

The hooks of the parasite are many, and extends far reaching into every aspect of our conciousness and daily lives. When I look to myself to identify them all, it is indeed overwhelming. But it points to the one thing, that we have been led to believe we have, but have never known what it really is.

What is not manifested in my life is true freedom. The parasite states we have it, but according to the conditions the parasite has manifested. Freedom is a dangerous thing for the parasite, because with freedom the hosts no longer need the parasite. They have indeed done a wonderful job of creating the illusion of freedom. But realistically it does not exist. Yet.

[9eagle9]

Very good. Freedom is core want and need. It's a birthright actually. Like air. A lot of people confuse their desire for freedom for something else though and paste over a symbol over it.. Like people will tell me they want a car and focus on that and what they are really wanting is the their freedom.

Freedom's underlying opposer (parasite) is Guilt. (Most parasite paradigms revolve around guilt instilled by religion, family or social engineering.

Not to sound drippy but you were born free, so the prison is perception. And I suppose freedom means different things to different people. It really just means there's things in your life that feel unsafe to you. As if you attempt something you will fail (punishment) (This is process which is why I ask so many questions, I'm not needling ....) Or a its way you obligated yourself to something . My freedom is essentially I can get up and leave at any moment toss the computer in the car and go anywhere I want. I have a sustainability project underway but I am not OBLIGATED to it. I CHOSE to do it. I can make the choice at any time to leave it. That is my freedom. We often times obligate ourselves to dead end things.Out of GUILT. We obligate our selves to things that are not working out because we have invested so much into it in the PAST. "I've spent too much money (which is already gone and won't be recovered by ) on Project X.

Guilt=punishment=prison=perception of loss of freedom.

So ..unsafe conditions. Are they real, right now in the moment or are these unsafe conditions thoughts based in the past in future.

PUll yourself right into this moment and look at what is occurring. Are you safe?

Then think of the unsafe conditions...."I can't do X because might happen, I might fall down the stairs, I might run out of gas, I'll run out money."

Or the past.

The last time I tried that I failed.

Those are thoughts. They are not occurring right now. But those are the conditions (contracts=thoughts) that we impose on ourselves.

As far as the Guilt core...what did you do wrong? On a conscious level you may logically say nothing...but for instance. What sorts of things did you parents make you feel guilty about? Guilt is most often manifested in chronic disease or ongoing diseases as well. And before I get quick answers for people about their parents I ask people , did you come from an abusive or neglectful childhood. If I in a lecture 20 people out of 100 will raise their hand. After I read the criteria for abuse and neglect, and ask people to revise their opinion based on that criteria....the count goes up to about 80 hands raised. Many of us were raised in neglectful and abusive situations and we don't even know it. Because we don't really know what constitutes abuse. Or neglect. And that sets up the conditions for parastical conditions for our adult lives.

Lastly When people can't find their guilt I look at what's going on in their body. If people are that stuck with where they are guilty....the body never fails to express it.

[sjkted]

I think the main problem here is it is so much harder to create than it is to destroy. I've seen dollar figures that it costs around $200,000 or so to raise a child and bring them up to age 18. When you consider all of the diaper changes, meals, babysitting, clothes bought, lessons taught, etc. it's a profound amount of effort that needs to be done by parents, family, teachers, and community to even get us to adulthood. It's so much easier to just steal someone else's energy instead of creating.

--sjkted

[Whitehaze]

I think the main problem here is it is so much harder to create than it is to destroy. I've seen dollar figures that it costs around $200,000 or so to raise a child and bring them up to age 18. When you consider all of the diaper changes, meals, babysitting, clothes bought, lessons taught, etc. it's a profound amount of effort that needs to be done by parents, family, teachers, and community to even get us to adulthood. It's so much easier to just steal someone else's energy instead of creating.

--sjkted

This is indeed part of the problem. And how much are our children deprived of in the forms of education, nutrition, and all the things that should be freely available to all. It is all part of the parasitical program. Ridiculous to have to pay to bring a life into the world and not be able to give that life all the benefits and freedom that is our birthright.

[Belle]

Going back to the Alex Jones video for a minute. I've been following Hypertiger for a while http://www.hypertiger.blogspot.com . If you go back to some of his earlier writings, he lays out the whole financial system and basically how it started. He's a bit of a downer, but there is a lot to think about, plus a good description of the parasites and the purpose of "money".

We have only known scarcity. The only scarcity that exists is what the parasites create for us. They could not exist in a world of abundance. They would have no control. Free energy, heirloom seeds that keep giving and giving, plants that grow wild for medicine. We've been kept in the dark and lied to...and most people believe in the lies. "We'll take care of you," governments say, then they take away vitamins, life giving plants, and free energy devices. "Use our pharmacuticals, our GMO "foods" and our oil...for a price, of course." And to make sure that happens, laws are passed to keep us enslaved in their system.

[Maria Stade]

I have been totally deprogrammed by my self !

It is not a easy ride and today there is a lot of network helping those on this path.

The hard thing to face is when you know how it is You ask but how to change all seems like impossible !

Some part of you have always known that there was some thing wrong.

Many people around the world have been waiting for this to happen and will step forward to help ( for free )

As darkness merges with light it will be a natural step to not want to be a parasite and not have a system that is in this way.

I have been moving around for years on different forums and see a future with advisers of different kind, they will be for the growth of understanding and unity !

Thank you for a great thread !

All Love

[jorr lundstrom]

Have you met Guidion?

Talesien was a wellknown bard in the early Arthurian myth.

He had an uncle named Guideon.

Guideon was a wizard, his speciality was to turn humans into animals.

One full moon night Guideon was out in a forrest walking along a path.

Suddenly he heard someone whining a short distance from the path.

He went towards the sound.

He found a wolf-pit, and in the pit stood a boy looking to be about seven years.

Guidion watch him silently.

Mister could you help me up from his pit, the boy said.

Guideon watched the boy for a couple of seconds, turned around and went his way.


This is from my thread with the same name. Guidion let people live their own lifes.

There are a lot of helpers in this world, acting from their own need to help, searchiing endlessly

for humans upon who they can project their own selfpity. And this selfpity projected acts like

a tube through which they can suck the lifeforce of those they imagine are in need. Many humans

are in difficulties, dont steal these difficulties from them. This is wot they need to evolve. It is of no

use to sweep the path for anyone. Love and carrots