Belief and understanding

[DarkSai]

this is something I've been thinking about a lot lately, and decided to share with Avalon :)

Just recently, I've decided that i longer "believe in" anything.
zip, nadda, zero, nothing.

This is because, in my (current, lol) view, what most people see as beliefs, are for me "temporary explanations", subject to change at a whim's notice, provided that whim resonates strongly enough.

This, i think, has mostly spawned from the words of Ra (LoO):
"It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density." (S16Q37)

Or put another way, "one must understand that one cannot understand"
Belief systems, and even "beliefs" themselves, assume that believer understands its concepts, for if one cannot comprehend an idea, it's impossible to state, sincerly, that they "believe" it. The scientific method expresses this in its own infinite loop of observe -> postulate -> predict -> observe. All science has are nested layers of explanations of phenomena, the simple (eg Newtons laws) sufficing for inaccurate measurements/explanations and the complex for our more advanced technological needs (eg special relativity is essential for satellite communications).
However, as many here i suspect understand, our Uni-existance is infinite, thus it is impossible for us to ever gain a "full" understanding. Quantum physicists get this somewhat, which is expressed in the oft mentioned quote "if you think you understand quantum physics, you dont understand it at all."

Now, its easy to "understand" concepts and theories pertaining to a small part of our existence, but when we take those understandings as truth, it then becomes a belief, consciously or otherwise. Since everything is infinitely complex, this becomes, paradoxically, an immediate limitation on deeper understanding because a belief by its very nature casts a shadow on all perceptions by the observer which is darkened further and further by personal/collective attachments and blocks out that which is yet to be understood until that belief and its attachments are removed from the observers thought patterns.

I personally find this to be quite liberating, as I feel that i have, or could have, total independence (freedom) in my perceptions as well as being able to do resonance checks on new info and concepts with much more fluidity because my previous/current perceptions have a much smaller conscious effect on my discernment.

As always, these are my own thoughts, so be free to disagree.
Thanks to all for reading, and allowing me to share.

Peace.

[ROMANWKT]

Well I agree with you,so how are you going to use this knowledge to free yourself, even better how will you remove your old beliefs within your subconscious mind to open yourself to the real reality as it really is??
regards
roman

[linz2d]

You cannot not "believe in" anything as you have already shown, by giving us your own beliefs.

You are correct though, beliefs do change and should change, but then what beliefs are you referring to here, the beliefs of religion and or science? Perhaps you are referring to ones own personal beliefs which constantly change as we further develop our understanding. It is good that we take in everything and formulate these beliefs and then change them when we learn something new, that is how I believe wisdom is gained. The problem occurs though when we restrict ourself to a certain belief or a certain way of thinking. This is how I view society, religion and science, in that we are meant to conform to a certain system of beliefs.

I may have summarized your point of view in my own, but it was the line "Just recently, I've decided that i no longer "believe in" anything." which I found odd, because we all must believe in something. As our beliefs determine who we are.

[DarkSai]

Well I agree with you,so how are you going to use this knowledge to free yourself, even better how will you remove your old beliefs within your subconscious mind to open yourself to the real reality as it really is??
regards
roman

Thats part of the journey of Life, for me anyway. i constantly seek and contemplate in order to gain a better understanding. As far as I'm concerned, my mind is already "open" to seeing reality as really is, however deep-seated and pre-incarnative programming has (thus far, lol) prevented me from actually perceiving it. I strive every day to become more aware of whats going, and when i feel friction within my perceptions and views, I attempt to investigate where the contradiction lies in my thinking/feeling and resolve it.
In my view, I am free, we all are. i accept that i cannot comprehend, at this point, the vast processes and choices prior to this lifetime and strive to consciously be aware in every aspect that i have made the choice to have the limited perception of reality i have at the moment.

[DarkSai]

You cannot not "believe in" anything as you have already shown, by giving us your own beliefs.

You are correct though, beliefs do change and should change, but then what beliefs are you referring to here, the beliefs of religion and or science? Perhaps you are referring to ones own personal beliefs which constantly change as we further develop our understanding. It is good that we take in everything and formulate these beliefs and then change them when we learn something new, that is how I believe wisdom is gained. The problem occurs though when we restrict ourself to a certain belief or a certain way of thinking. This is how I view society, religion and science, in that we are meant to conform to a certain system of beliefs.

I may have summarized your point of view in my own, but it was the line "Just recently, I've decided that i no longer "believe in" anything." which I found odd, because we all must believe in something. As our beliefs determine who we are.


I am referring to beliefs in every possible way. For example, right now, I'm sitting in front of a pc, in a lab, surrounded by peers. as real is this is to me, i do not believe this perception as i cannot possibly comprehend the True nature of whats "really" going on around me. I cannot understand (in its entirety), thus i cannot believe that is Truly whats going on.

As I said, what you are calling "beliefs" i call temporary explantions/perceptions, which is really what you described. a perception only becomes a belief when you accept it as Truth. In this sense, I believe in nothing because i understand nothing, i understand nothing because i do not know the Truth of anything.

[linz2d]

You cannot not "believe in" anything as you have already shown, by giving us your own beliefs.

You are correct though, beliefs do change and should change, but then what beliefs are you referring to here, the beliefs of religion and or science? Perhaps you are referring to ones own personal beliefs which constantly change as we further develop our understanding. It is good that we take in everything and formulate these beliefs and then change them when we learn something new, that is how I believe wisdom is gained. The problem occurs though when we restrict ourself to a certain belief or a certain way of thinking. This is how I view society, religion and science, in that we are meant to conform to a certain system of beliefs.

I may have summarized your point of view in my own, but it was the line "Just recently, I've decided that i no longer "believe in" anything." which I found odd, because we all must believe in something. As our beliefs determine who we are.


I am referring to beliefs in every possible way. For example, right now, I'm sitting in front of a pc, in a lab, surrounded by peers. as real is this is to me, i do not believe this perception as i cannot possibly comprehend the True nature of whats "really" going on around me. I cannot understand (in its entirety), thus i cannot believe that is Truly whats going on.

As I said, what you are calling "beliefs" i call temporary explantions/perceptions, which is really what you described. a perception only becomes a belief when you accept it as Truth. In this sense, I believe in nothing because i understand nothing, i understand nothing because i do not know the Truth of anything.

I understand and agree with what you are saying but to me "belief" is only a word which summarizes my understanding of the world around me at this time, of course no one really knows what truly is going on. Its all very similar to the Buddhist saying that nothing can be perceived as real and everything is but an illusion. Yet we cannot help but develop some kind of understanding, even though we do not know the truth to anything. I do not see a problem in this way of thinking because for me it is a way which promotes personal growth. I do not not believe in anything but my own beliefs which are likely to change as my understanding of this life changes.

[trenairio]

I totally agree. This is why I frequently use the words "believe" and "opinion" because I am still unsure of the "unconventional" content like what is discussed here on Avalon. The topics discussed here are just so "way out there" that it is just too difficult to uphold high certainty and confidence. I and anybody else does not truly "know" until some peculiarly significant "growth" occurs (as well as the acquiring of more wisdom).

[sjkted]

I agree. I either know or think or hypothesize, but I have no emotions invested in things that are beyond my knowing.

--sjkted

[PathWalker]

This, i think, has mostly spawned from the words of Ra (LoO):
"It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density." (S16Q37)

Thanks you for this important question about the essence of understanding.

Understanding is a trait of the mind. A polarized construct crated to survive and evolve in the physical 3rd density.
The mind is a self programing computer. Once you are aware of your programs, then and only then your are able to change them. The passage about healing in Law Of One.
We are to stay in the mind and heal it, by reprogramming our knowledge and behavior. Exactly as you stated.

As for understanding that we cannot understand. Transcending the mind is getting back to the wisdom of the heart.
When achieving this state of connection in the scared space in the heart. Understanding is not required. There is a state of oneness with all, a state of being part of all. We instantly know all we want. When we are connected to the heart wisdom, the process of understanding and learning is redundant.

Therefore the spiritual path is the short distance from the polarized mind to the integrating heart. We can understand, the limits of understanding. Yet we cannot imagine how, and the motivational drives we will have once we get there.

Great thread.
May the light shine into you, and from you.
Joy and happiness
PathWalker