North Korea: First public protests against the Kims’ regime

[irishspirit]

Seoul – The wave of protests that began in the Mideast appears to have reached even North Korea. For the first time in the history of the Stalinist regime, groups of ordinary citizens have protested in three cities demanding food and electricity, sources say. The event is exceptional and confirms the economic difficulties, especially concerning food supplies, people have to face under the Communist government.


According to South Korea’s Chosun Ilbo newspaper, citing a North Korean source, demonstrations broke out on 14 February, two days before Kim Jong-il’s birthday, in the cities of Jongju, Yongchon and Sonchon, not far from the border of China.


The State Security Department (the all-powerful agency under Kim Jong-il’s direct control) investigated the incident but failed to identify the people who started the commotion when they met with a wall of silence.


“When such an incident took place in the past, people used to report their neighbours to the security forces, but now they're covering for each other," the source said.


Korean sources told AsiaNews that this represents a crack in the prevailing mindset. “Different factors are at play. On the one hand, the country’s worsening economic situation is certainly one reason. The regime is in fact unable to feed most of its people. On the other, changes at the top are another as Kim Jong-un gets ready to succeed his father on the throne in Pyongyang.”

http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=49154&t=North+Korea%3A+++First+public+protests+against+the+Kims%92+regime

[crosby]

with the father-son paradigm going on there and the harsh responses that they (il and un) toss out too all, this could be cataclysmic in style and nature. they are just waiting for a reason to drop their bombs, and they don't care on whom they drop them. i'm not sure these protest will procure what the other nations have so far. i will definitely be following this in the news. thanks for posting.
regards, corson

[Open your eyes]

Q. Do you think the '33' and other manipulate/controlling forces have any say in what goes on in north
Korea or are they completely cut out from the rest of the world and controlled purely by kim jong-il?

Alex.

[norman]

Q. Do you think the '33' and other manipulate/controlling forces have any say in what goes on in north
Korea or are they completely cut out from the rest of the world and controlled purely by kim jong-il?

Alex.

I think they are there to scare the rest of us.

If the most powerful people in the world didn't want it like that they would have ended it a long time ago.

[crosby]

Q. Do you think the '33' and other manipulate/controlling forces have any say in what goes on in north
Korea or are they completely cut out from the rest of the world and controlled purely by kim jong-il?

Alex.

i appreciate what you're saying, however, crazy people do crazy things. and sometimes they don't follow the leader.
regards, corson

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I can only say this is all interesting ~ and, like the rest of you I'll watch it with great hope (with my fingers crossed).

I think we all agree that the PTB take every opportunity, everywhere to exert their power and influence, but somehow I feel that what's happening world-wide is not being controlled by them. However that doesn't mean they won't turn it to their advantage.

I believe in the power of the mind - how about the rest of you! Let's all sent thoughts of "courage to stand up to their regime" to the North Koreans, rather than doubt - and see if we can help them in this event.

[Arrowwind]

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/First-public-protests-against-the-Kims%E2%80%99-regime-20861.html

Hundredth Monkey effect? Things seem to have hit critical mass if it is impacting people so desparately repressed as in North Korea

[Hiram]

Perhaps the worm is turning.

Finally.

One inch closer to the globalists goals though.

[irishspirit]

Very much agree Hiram.

The issue is, the PTB are causing massive un-rest around the world, one has top wonder what their end game is going to be.

One thing is for sure, this is not going to work out well for the people.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Hiram and Irishspirit, and all others.

I understand how you feel about the end game and the PTB based on our historical past. But I encourage you to at least hold some place in your thoughts and heart that this time things could be different. There are powers greater than those who seem to wield the power on this planet.

The winds of change are blowing. Is humanity in a place where they will take advantage of what the Universe is now supporting? Only time will tell. I know we must be realists on the one hand. On the other hand we must dare to believe that humanity has the capacity to build a better future. But in order to see it, we must first let ourselves believe it. The l00th monkey is lurking behind each one of these uprisings.

[Hiram]

Thanks Ba-Ba-Ra,

I don't disagree with that one bit. I appreciate you drawing my attention to that fact.

I think our statements were elucidating the fact that autocrats do not fit in with the globalist agenda, whereas "democracies" indeed do. In order to infiltrate and control a government, you want democratic bureaucracy--not a powerful single-leader.

But thank you for reminding us of the 100th Monkey.

Indeed, THOUGHTS ARE THINGS, and all great things must exist in the mind of man first, before they can become a reality.

[Moemers]

I understand the spun webs beneath these things...but I just hope...

[9eagle9]

Hurray! Wow after all this time. What struck me is out how folks used to sell each other out and now....to me that is the most tremendous thing. Setting aside one's personal fear for safety for the higher good.
I'm with Baba, send some courage their way that they be strong in the face of the difficult intrepid and heroic path...My father fought in the Korean conflict, I sure wish he was around to see this. He had such faith in humanity and mine is being restored little by little...

[58andfixed]

Inside North Korea - exclusive footage

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/8113817/Inside-North-Korea-exclusive-footage.html

2m 48s

Posted November 28, 2010


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[buckminster fuller]

It might turn into a massive outbreak of north korean people to the south. Hence an opened war between the two. Hope not. Seriously hope people can access some individual freedom without too much harm. It would be a real paradigm shift in itself, (let's not forget the tyranny of western nations towards other nations and their own people) one thing I'd really like to grasp is the ties between the PTB and dictatorial regimes.. Are those bonded in anyway to secret societies or are they really on their own..?

Peace

[58andfixed]

... Seriously hope people can access some individual freedom without too much harm. It would be a real paradigm shift in itself, ...

Thanks Buckminster Fuller:

Could you elaborate on any insight or wisdom on what your perspective of a "real paradigm shift" might look like, communicated in different words, thinking involved ... ?

TIA

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[jackovesk]

I can only say this is all interesting ~ and, like the rest of you I'll watch it with great hope (with my fingers crossed).

I think we all agree that the PTB take every opportunity, everywhere to exert their power and influence, but somehow I feel that what's happening world-wide is not being controlled by them. However that doesn't mean they won't turn it to their advantage.

I believe in the power of the mind - how about the rest of you! Let's all sent thoughts of "courage to stand up to their regime" to the North Koreans, rather than doubt - and see if we can help them in this event.

Here Here...

Well said Ba-ba-Ra.

[buckminster fuller]

... Seriously hope people can access some individual freedom without too much harm. It would be a real paradigm shift in itself, ...

Thanks Buckminster Fuller:

Could you elaborate on any insight or wisdom on what your perspective of a "real paradigm shift" might look like, communicated in different words, thinking involved ... ?

TIA

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This would be a book...

In essence, a paradigm shift would happen when people's view on some subject matter (hence here about society) changes so much that intellectual perspectives have to adapt. More concisely, when intellectual orthodoxy is turned upside down..

[58andfixed]

... Seriously hope people can access some individual freedom without too much harm. It would be a real paradigm shift in itself, ...

Thanks Buckminster Fuller:

Could you elaborate on any insight or wisdom on what your perspective of a "real paradigm shift" might look like, communicated in different words, thinking involved ... ?

TIA

- 58

This would be a book...

In essence, a paradigm shift would happen when people's view on some subject matter (hence here about society) changes so much that intellectual perspectives have to adapt. More concisely, when intellectual orthodoxy is turned upside down..

Thanks Buckminster Fuller:

Would a thesis that the bulk of the planet "keep ourselves divided with weak thinking and a variety of biases" be a reasonable assessment of our current paradigm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

"Belief bias – an effect where someone's evaluation of the logical strength of an argument is biased by the believability of the conclusion."

And encouraging a mind that:
- practices critical thinking,
- the asking of good questions,
- the challenging of authority as truth,
- discernment and
- demonstrating a harmony between ideas and action,
could transcend a level of simple "gravitation toward things that we like, and rejection of things we don't like" potentially be a newer paradigm to shift toward ?

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[Grace For Ki]

I couldn't agree more Ba-Ba-Ra...its said we create our reality. If we expect all these awful things to happen, guess whaaat...its going to happen!!! If we are looking for doom and gloom guess what, its going to happen. We need to push away from the fear mongling and start thinking of constructive positive ways that this story can go. If not we are in a whole world of trouble.

[l3ol3o]

The people of North Korea are in a real no win situation. They are brainwashed to hell. They don't know anything other than the current lives that they have. They don't understand how bad they have it and probably think that everyone else in the world lives like they do. They think their "Great Leader" truly is a great leader do most don't want to rebel. Even if they did rebel and overthrow their communist government, South Korea doesn't want reunification until the North becomes much stronger economically. China doesn't want anything to do with millions of starving, uneducated peasants that will be a burden.

Even if they overthrow the government they are years away from becoming anything other than a third world country.

[buckminster fuller]

... Seriously hope people can access some individual freedom without too much harm. It would be a real paradigm shift in itself, ...

Thanks Buckminster Fuller:

Could you elaborate on any insight or wisdom on what your perspective of a "real paradigm shift" might look like, communicated in different words, thinking involved ... ?

TIA

- 58

This would be a book...

In essence, a paradigm shift would happen when people's view on some subject matter (hence here about society) changes so much that intellectual perspectives have to adapt. More concisely, when intellectual orthodoxy is turned upside down..

Thanks Buckminster Fuller:

Would a thesis that the bulk of the planet "keep ourselves divided with weak thinking and a variety of biases" be a reasonable assessment of our current paradigm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

"Belief bias – an effect where someone's evaluation of the logical strength of an argument is biased by the believability of the conclusion."

And encouraging a mind that:
- practices critical thinking,
- the asking of good questions,
- the challenging of authority as truth,
- discernment and
- demonstrating a harmony between ideas and action,
could transcend a level of simple "gravitation toward things that we like, and rejection of things we don't like" potentially be a newer paradigm to shift toward ?

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Pretty much so..
Our current paradigm mainly is the result of consumer culture. All that you've listed can help people get out of it as individuals.

Very interesting post, thank you

(and sorry for the time it took me to get back to it)