"Jasmine Revolution" Ripples in China

[cayman]

"Jasmine Revolution", will ripples become billows?

First, many thanks to jackovesk for brought this "news" to me 4 days ago, even though I live in Beijing, and only 2 miles from where it happened, I didn't have a clue when it was happening, and of course, nothing about it being reported in interior ever since
jackovesk post here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11513-Anyone-interested-in-what-s-happening-in-China&p=148805&viewfull=1#post148805


Cayman, do you have any futher info you can share with us on the AFP story below?

AFP
Feb 20, 2011

BEIJING — Postings circulating on the Internet have called on disgruntled Chinese to gather on Sunday in public places in 13 major cities to mark the “Jasmine Revolution” spreading through the Middle East.

The calls have apparently led the Chinese government to censor postings containing the word “jasmine” in an attempt to quell any potential unrest.

“We welcome… laid off workers and victims of forced evictions to participate in demonstrations, shout slogans and seek freedom, democracy and political reform to end ‘one party rule’,” one posting said.

The postings, many of which appeared to have originated on overseas websites run by exiled Chinese political activists, called for protests in Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and 10 other major Chinese cities.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/february2011/200211feature.jpg

China web users call for 'Jasmine Revolution'

(AFP) – 23 hours ago

BEIJING — Postings circulating on the Internet have called on disgruntled Chinese to gather on Sunday in public places in 13 major cities to mark the "Jasmine Revolution" spreading through the Middle East.

The calls have apparently led the Chinese government to censor postings containing the word "jasmine" in an attempt to quell any potential unrest.

"We welcome... laid off workers and victims of forced evictions to participate in demonstrations, shout slogans and seek freedom, democracy and political reform to end 'one party rule'," one posting said.

The postings, many of which appeared to have originated on overseas websites run by exiled Chinese political activists, called for protests in Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and 10 other major Chinese cities.

Protesters were urged to shout slogans including "we want food to eat," "we want work," we want housing," "we want justice," "long live freedom," and "long live democracy."

Chinese authorities have sought to restrict media reports on the recent political turmoil that began in Tunisia as the "Jasmine Revolution" and spread to Egypt and throughout the Middle East.

Unemployment and rising prices have been key factors linked to the unrest that has also spread to Bahrain, Yemen, Algeria and Libya.

Searches Sunday for "jasmine" on China's Twitter-like micro-blog Weibo ended without results, while messages on the popular Baidu search engine said that due to laws and regulations such results were unavailable.

Some Chinese Internet search pages listed "jasmine" postings but links to them were blocked.

The Chinese government has expended tremendous resources to police the Internet and block anti-government postings and other politically sensitive material with a system known as the "Great Firewall of China."

In a speech given Saturday, Chinese President Hu Jintao acknowledged growing social unrest and urged the ruling Communist Party to better safeguard stability while also ordering strengthened controls over "virtual society" or the Internet.

"It is necessary to strengthen and improve a mechanism for safeguarding the rights and interests of the people," Xinhua news agency quoted Hu as saying.

A key to achieve the goal is to "solve prominent problems which might harm the harmony and stability of the society... safeguard people's rights and interests, promote social justice, and sustain sound social order."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gdb6d9fdbjbk3XXfkCIHj4X-OSLg?docId=CNG.7a0509e93accafbdfd4785aad6cc3018.441

´cause that news cover some very good point, so I have to copy them all here for viewing.

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after I saw this, I spent some quality time to check, here is my first response to that news
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11513-Anyone-interested-in-what-s-happening-in-China&p=151540&viewfull=1#post151540




Thanks for the input, jackovesk, I didn't know that until I saw your post yesterday---that's some really serious event. so I spent one day to check. the AFP story is basically true.

further more: I managed to have a look at the Official MEMO regard this event from someone inside. two point:
1) "some group oversea" instigate this event, but the MEMO didn't tell who or what. my best guess is the insider isn't high enough to know a deeper story,and, "OVERSEA" is a "need to know basic" for now.

2) CCP high level officers KNEW before it even happen---now I can say for sure, they do monitor everything. but why they let it happen? my assumption is: it is some kind of "shock testing" for CCP, they want to know for sure who will actually show up, when somebody do show up, the CCP can nail the "right one" they want, with proper excuse. they can nip it from the bud; on another hand, the high level officers want to know how will the low level force react, then they will learn which part is "short". they can enhance further.

to sum up, the CCP comprehend the situation very well, and they have every confidence maintain control--ego,huh?

my personal investigation confirm that this event did happen in Beijing, GuangZhou, Wuhan. further than that, whether it is true that this event occur in 13 cities simultaneously? I don't know. nevertheless, it is a sign, it is a start.

it is a "shock testing" for both sides.

I personally think the timing is still immature, not yet. but it is a sign that China is steering to a deeper water


BTW: there is absolutely nothing about this event being reported on interior news----you see what I mean the "EGO"

[cayman]

Okay, that was 2 days ago.
Now, things get really heated for the past two day. because there was no any official report about this "incident" in any Chinese news media, which means the governments still working on consensus about this "incident"-----event like that normally take some time to emerge, because there are many divisions within the Chinese government, some of those divisions are sympathetic with democracy, and some of them are ambitious(eager for more power) who want to take advantage of this kind of situations-----1989, Tienanmen Square Incident is a perfect example.

because the context of that, I knew there are more to come, from an observer point of view, this is a perfect chance I'd been waiting for.

Okay, today, first clue arise, very tricky propaganda tactic.
http://news.sina.com.cn/w/2011-02-23/212022003170.shtml
points of this news are:
1) its original source came from "Reference News" newspaper, reported by XinHua news agency. both of them are the highest level of political news organizations directly controlled by the top level officers in CCP. so, you can consider it as the voice from the Top

2) what did it say: American strategy "black hands" dimly visible in recent Middle-East turmoils
why I think that is important? Timing that is:
Because ever since the Middle-East turmoils happen, Chinese official analysis reports about that are no more than interior corruptions, inflations,...etc---in a word, never go deep, standard audience points of view. now, suddenly, it is actually pointing finger that America is behind all this without any obvious evidences presented? ----that is not prudent,not the "middlebrow" style as the usual Chinese government act-----why? audience become victim
Timing, that is the key we should consider.
the tricky part of this news is: its major content is quote from Russian news, USA "NewYork Times" and Britain "Times", its own opinions is few, but very clear, America is the BAD guy :cool:

3) Implication? well, old school tactics, two birds with one stone
a) To tell the American: "we know, don't think we are a fool, we are prepared!"

b) Gain the initiative for future events, especially to preoccupy interior people with this concept: whoever instigated/want to instigate turmoils, they are connected with the America,they are traitors, we(GOV) suppress them only for your greater good.---it works every time!

[write4change]

Cayman,

I managed to get some books not the one I orginally told you about but there is some really deep synchronicity of experience going on post past and present. I will write more specifically soon. I can't read fast enough. LOL

[linz2d]

Just watch yourself, cayman its always interesting to get an idea of what's happening over there but always put your safety first.

[bashi]

Okay, that was 2 days ago.
Now, things get really heated for the past two day. because there was no any official report about this "incident" in any Chinese news media, which means the governments still working on consensus about this "incident"-----event like that normally take some time to emerge, because there are many divisions within the Chinese government, some of those divisions are sympathetic with democracy, and some of them are ambitious(eager for more power) who want to take advantage of this kind of situations-----1989, Tienanmen Square Incident is a perfect example.

because the context of that, I knew there are more to come, from an observer point of view, this is a perfect chance I'd been waiting for.

Okay, today, first clue arise, very tricky propaganda tactic.
http://news.sina.com.cn/w/2011-02-23/212022003170.shtml

Hi cayman,
is it possible that you run the text of the link first through a translator and then correct it in this way:
First the original translation and after it the corrected text with your interpretation/correction in another colour?
Thanks in advance for the effort :hail:

[cayman]

Hi cayman,
is it possible that you run the text of the link first through a translator and then correct it in this way:
First the original translation and after it the corrected text with your interpretation/correction in another colour?
Thanks in advance for the effort :hail:

:nod:thanks bashi, I do have that concern in mind,
my #2 post is completed for now, so you can get the idea without reading the boring news. and trust me, I do know your point, and I will do a translation eventually.
Normally, I wouldn't post without finish the whole story. the reason why I am doing the opposite is concerning with this recent incident. I will explain that in the next post

[cayman]

What happened after "Jasmine Revolution" Ripples in China
Internet shut down

Just after the Sunday events, Monday, 21st February, weird internet malfunctions happened, start from Beijing, soon, all over the country. I'd experienced it myself
http://sc.people.com.cn/news/HTML/2011/2/22/20110222092157.htm
http://www.google.com.hk/search?hl=zh-CN&newwindow=1&safe=strict&biw=925&bih=630&q=%E5%85%A8%E5%9B%BD%E5%A4%9A%E5%9C%B0%E7%BD%91%E7%BB%9C%E4%B8%8D%E7%A8%B3%E5%AE%9A&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
until today, internet connection is still fluctuant in China, at least in Beijing, that's why I have to post very quickly without finishing the whole.

So far, no official explanation, of course, there never will be

I check the story myself, from someone inside the government propaganda system. the true cause is: the Chinese authority shut down the interior internet deliberately, by using those Official Hackers.
further more, they shut down electricity supply separately and variable interval, for example, the area where my apartment at was shut down several times for the past 4 days, and without warning in advance----that are anomalies in Beijing, the Capital
-----that is another reason why I have to post very quickly

Here you go, a vivid example how the PTB shut you up, look no further
Although I can assure you there will be more to come

[InCiDeR]

Internet shut down

Greetings cayman. I always enjoy reading your posts. But now you really got me worried!

Do you mean yours or do you mean Chinas?

[Operator]

Internet shut down

Greetings cayman. I always enjoy reading your posts. But now you really got me worried!

Do you mean yours or do you mean Chinas?

If he can report it ... his internet must be up and running. His status also shows as online ...

[cayman]

Internet shut down

Greetings cayman. I always enjoy reading your posts. But now you really got me worried!

Do you mean yours or do you mean Chinas?

Thanks, InCiDeR

It is all over China.

although I get your point, and to be honest, I still have my doubts of my building being electrically shut down separately 2 days ago, but, what the hell !

[InCiDeR]

Jeeeez, cayman. You really scared me there for a while :shocked: I just saw that line "Internet shut down"! Therefore I thought that was all you had the time to write! Thank you for your update, even though it was not great news. But it was for certain great news that you still here. I was nearly on my way to the phone calling the Swedish cavalry :plane:

Take care my friend! Watch your back!

[cayman]

Internet shut down

Greetings cayman. I always enjoy reading your posts. But now you really got me worried!

Do you mean yours or do you mean Chinas?

If he can report it ... his internet must be up and running. His status also shows as online ...

Good point! :biggrin1: :thumb:

follow your point, let us make a little experiment here:
If I am not show up in Avalon for continuous 2 days, then you will know how serious things might get.


that remind me of something: I should buy a giant accumulator before it get expensive

oh, one more thing, do you guys know anything about Satellite Internet service? like where can I buy/build a satellite internet with privacy away from Chinese authority, I know this service exist, but I can't find information like that in China, it is strictly forbidden.

[cayman]

....I was nearly on my way to the phone calling the Swedish cavalry :plane:

Take care my friend! Watch your back!

:p sorry,,,, very much appreciate for your concern! :luv:

I think the only way I can get out is transform back to this :alien: :rolleyes:

[trenairio]

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[cayman]

Is a Revolution really neccessary? ......

I don't think violent revolution is necessary, and I don't think revolution ever works(we Chinese experienced too many "revolutions" for the past century, none of them turn out to be great)----but if we see it as a demonstration of people's power,wake up call, time to change at such----that's not bad.
what is really need to change is not who should control the Power, so to speak, but the spirit and mind within people.

whenever/wherever a revolution happen, only the speculators get the benefits.

[cayman]

..... Or from what I read, is it really the Chinese government's fault that food prices are too high, unemployment, low payment, and such?

......

everything is interconnected. of course, it is not Chinese government's solo responsibility. whereas since you are in charge, it makes you a handy target, isn't it?

sure, we can blame it is the fault of the whole modern world system, but who/what created it?----pointing fingers is easy,billions people have billions answers

Solution is the real hard part and what really count

Is Revolution a Solution? I don't think so, unless the Revolution means a Spiritual Revolution of ALL

[cayman]

......

How widespread is the revolution currently, cayman? Could it succeed?

I would rather say it is a Ripple, not so widespread as far as I can see, but it is an ongoing investigation, I'll keep it update.

If we can consider it as an onset, it might already succeed.

[RedeZra]

I think Zion wants China

They failed in Tiananmen as they failed in Russia in 1905


Persistence will persevere


It only takes planning training money and a few key Chinese Zionists

to cause the young uninformed mass to massive mutiny

and take over the Chinese ship of state

and turn it into something else

like a Zionist pirate



http://www.elizabethan-era.org.uk/images/skull-crossbones-pirate-fla.jpg


You will not see this flag if you're not privy to it

but Britain sails under it and so does the US

[cayman]

I think Zion wants China

They failed in Tiananmen as they failed in Russia in 1905


Persistence will persevere


It only takes planning training money and a few key Chinese Zionists

to cause the young uninformed mass to massive mutiny

and take over the Chinese ship of state

and turn it into something else

like a Zionist pirate



http://www.elizabethan-era.org.uk/images/skull-crossbones-pirate-fla.jpg


You will not see this flag if you're not privy to it

but Britain sails under it and so does the US

who/what is this "Zion" exactly? I'm not familiar with this concept.

It is getting more interesting every day.

[PathWalker]

..... Or from what I read, is it really the Chinese government's fault that food prices are too high, unemployment, low payment, and such?

......

everything is interconnected. of course, it is not Chinese government's solo responsibility. whereas since you are in , it makes you a handy target, isn't it?

sure, we can blame it is the fault of the whole modern world system, but who/what created it?----pointing fingers is easy,billions people have billions answers

Solution is the real hard part and what really count

Is Revolution a Solution? I don't think so, unless the Revolution means a Spiritual Revolution of ALL

Impressive indicators of personal responsibility are the indicators of personal growth and awakening ..:hug:
The people are individuals. Each unique and distinguished.

[yuhui]

I think Zion wants China

They failed in Tiananmen as they failed in Russia in 1905


Persistence will persevere


It only takes planning training money and a few key Chinese Zionists

to cause the young uninformed mass to massive mutiny

and take over the Chinese ship of state

and turn it into something else

like a Zionist pirate



http://www.elizabethan-era.org.uk/images/skull-crossbones-pirate-fla.jpg


You will not see this flag if you're not privy to it

but Britain sails under it and so does the US

who/what is this "Zion" exactly? I'm not familiar with this concept.

It is getting more interesting every day.


Hi, Cayman, Thank you very much for shareing all these information. :)

I just saw a post on Douban(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douban): http://www.douban.com/group/topic/17876256/ and I am really confused, do you know anything about it?

As for Zion(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zion)

I believe it links to Illuminati, Freemasons and NWO (http://www.douban.com/group/topic/14105098/)?

[Operator]

Is a Revolution really neccessary? ... How widespread is the revolution currently, cayman?

A little bit off topic here ... but yesterday I saw a REAL interesting revolution on the news: Tunisian people taking care of their 'brothers' that fled from Libya.
Unfortunately I am living in a small country with almost no foreign representatives here ... but we could help our 'brothers' worldwide where it is far too dangerous to protest
locally in their own country by massively protest in front of their embassies. More and more signs of people taking responsibility for their fellow man instead of looking the
other way indifferently !! Chasing away one dictator to get him replaced by another is old school revolution ... It looks like people worldwide are really aware of that now.

Hopefully the momentum will stick for a while :peace:

[RedeZra]

who/what is this "Zion" exactly? I'm not familiar with this concept.

It is getting more interesting every day.


Zion is a Zynagoge of Zionists

Congregation of Controllers

the Bank and PTB


They are the remnants of a Turcic tribe that became an Empire - Khazaria -between the Black and the Caspian Sea - enjoying an entente with the Eastern Roman Empire Byzantium - before they were conquered by Kievan Rus and scattered by the Golden Horde some 800 years ago


Khazar royalty and much of the aristocracy converted to Judaism during the 8th century - and that is why there was 'Jews' in Northern Europe even as early as the High Middle Ages 1000 years ago


They are the Ashkenazi Jews which made it Big in Banking

Ascended into Aristocracy and Royal houses of Europe


Since Ashkenazi Jews have an affiliation with Judaism we call the more extreme of them Zionists because they struggle to rule the whole world really

a homeland is just too low an aim hehe

[Gardener]

Further info regarding the above.....
http://www.controversyofzion.info/

[cayman]

Hi, Cayman, Thank you very much for shareing all these information. :)

I just saw a post on Douban(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douban): http://www.douban.com/group/topic/17876256/ and I am really confused, do you know anything about it?

As for Zion(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zion)

I believe it links to Illuminati, Freemasons and NWO (http://www.douban.com/group/topic/14105098/)?

Hi, yuhui, you are welcome.
the two links in Douban had been deleted, :mod:
It is a little too quick? don't you think?

[cayman]

They are the remnants of a Turcic tribe that became an Empire - Khazaria -between the Black and the Caspian Sea - enjoying an entente with the Eastern Roman Empire Byzantium - before they were conquered by Kievan Rus and scattered by the Golden Horde some 800 years ago


Khazar royalty and much of the aristocracy converted to Judaism during the 8th century - and that is why there was 'Jews' in Northern Europe even as early as the High Middle Ages 1000 years ago


They are the Ashkenazi Jews which made it Big in Banking

Ascended into Aristocracy and Royal houses of Europe


Since Ashkenazi Jews have an affiliation with Judaism we call the more extreme of them Zionists because they struggle to rule the whole world really

a homeland is just too low an aim hehe[/I]

Thank you, that well draw a frame to me:o

[cayman]

Further info regarding the above.....
http://www.controversyofzion.info/

very much appreciated! Gardenner

the website have a free book for download, already reading it, very rare aspect of the history, I love it

[TimelessDimensions]

Why would anyone want to live in a sham democracy? In any monetary system a real democracy is fundamentally impossible (each piece of legislation is bought and paid for by the corporate lobby groups)

Something is a bit fishy about all these civil revolutions happening around the world all at once, it's pretty obvious that all of them must have been planned years in advance by the same wealthy bunch. Aren't they all shouting the same illogical solution - "democracy!"?? Why not technocracy?. It is as though the "elite" is jumping ship on USA and rewinding time 250-years to bring democracy to the Muslims like they brought democracy to the Christians during the French Revolution. I think they are down-grading to more stupid (illogical fanatical religious) slaves because we Westerners are getting a bit too smart for them to control.

[TimelessDimensions]

who/what is this "Zion" exactly? I'm not familiar with this concept.

It is getting more interesting every day.


Zion is a Zynagoge of Zionists

Congregation of Controllers

the Bank and PTB


They are the remnants of a Turcic tribe that became an Empire - Khazaria -between the Black and the Caspian Sea - enjoying an entente with the Eastern Roman Empire Byzantium - before they were conquered by Kievan Rus and scattered by the Golden Horde some 800 years ago


Khazar royalty and much of the aristocracy converted to Judaism during the 8th century - and that is why there was 'Jews' in Northern Europe even as early as the High Middle Ages 1000 years ago


They are the Ashkenazi Jews which made it Big in Banking

Ascended into Aristocracy and Royal houses of Europe


Since Ashkenazi Jews have an affiliation with Judaism we call the more extreme of them Zionists because they struggle to rule the whole world really

a homeland is just too low an aim hehe

Both the Zionists and the Muslims are being used as pawns by the Illuminati to start World War 3,

read Albert Pike's letter to Guiseppe Mazzini on August 15th, 1871:

http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

[ponda]

Why would anyone want to live in a sham democracy? In any monetary system a real democracy is fundamentally impossible (each piece of legislation is bought and paid for by the corporate lobby groups)

Something is a bit fishy about all these civil revolutions happening around the world all at once, it's pretty obvious that all of them must have been planned years in advance by the same wealthy bunch. Aren't they all shouting the same illogical solution - "democracy!"?? Why not technocracy?. It is as though the "elite" is jumping ship on USA and rewinding time 250-years to bring democracy to the Muslims like they brought democracy to the Christians during the French Revolution. I think they are down-grading to more stupid (illogical fanatical religious) slaves because we Westerners are getting a bit too smart for them to control.


I think what is happening in the Middle East and Northern Africa is part of a consciousness shift or awakening.The people living in these countries have been ruled by brutal dictators and extremely corrupt governments for a very long time and have had enough.

Yes you are right that they don't know what to do after the dictators,presidents etc go but no one anywhere has a perfect replacement system ready to go.Some of them want to be able to choose who leads them,some of them want a stop to corruption,some want more freedom for women,some want jobs etc etc,it's diverse and complex but the time of hardline dictators and brutal governments is coming to an end.

How far will it go and will it spread to the west is anyones guess but IMHO it wouldn't take all that much to get people marching on the streets in the US and Europe.Some people say that the financial crisis has not fully played itself out yet and there could be increases in food prices and fuel prices coming so there is more of the story to yet play out.

cheers

[cayman]

Why would anyone want to live in a sham democracy? In any monetary system a real democracy is fundamentally impossible (each piece of legislation is bought and paid for by the corporate lobby groups)
......l.

That is an excellent point!

[cayman]

Why would anyone want to live in a sham democracy? In any monetary system a real democracy is fundamentally impossible (each piece of legislation is bought and paid for by the corporate lobby groups)

Something is a bit fishy about all these civil revolutions happening around the world all at once, it's pretty obvious that all of them must have been planned years in advance by the same wealthy bunch. Aren't they all shouting the same illogical solution - "democracy!"?? Why not technocracy?. It is as though the "elite" is jumping ship on USA and rewinding time 250-years to bring democracy to the Muslims like they brought democracy to the Christians during the French Revolution. I think they are down-grading to more stupid (illogical fanatical religious) slaves because we Westerners are getting a bit too smart for them to control.


I think what is happening in the Middle East and Northern Africa is part of a consciousness shift or awakening.The people living in these countries have been ruled by brutal dictators and extremely corrupt governments for a very long time and have had enough.

Yes you are right that they don't know what to do after the dictators,presidents etc go but no one anywhere has a perfect replacement system ready to go.Some of them want to be able to choose who leads them,some of them want a stop to corruption,some want more freedom for women,some want jobs etc etc,it's diverse and complex but the time of hardline dictators and brutal governments is coming to an end.

How far will it go and will it spread to the west is anyones guess but IMHO it wouldn't take all that much to get people marching on the streets in the US and Europe.Some people say that the financial crisis has not fully played itself out yet and there could be increases in food prices and fuel prices coming so there is more of the story to yet play out.

cheers

what if the current turmoils is the "situation" of the standard PTB tactic-- "Situation-Reaction-Solution"

If it is, so what will be the "Solution"? :confused:

[cayman]

Both the Zionists and the Muslims are being used as pawns by the Illuminati to start World War 3,

read Albert Pike's letter to Guiseppe Mazzini on August 15th, 1871:

http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

I personally think that WW3 now is on the process already.
Thanks for the link, it is very helpful

[RedeZra]

Both the Zionists and the Muslims are being used as pawns by the Illuminati to start World War 3,

read Albert Pike's letter to Guiseppe Mazzini on August 15th, 1871:

http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

Perhaps you noticed that Pike spoke of 'political Zionism'

Illuminati is the highest hierarchy within Zionism

It is Luciferian ; )


that's right the ancient antagonist of Christ

[cayman]

March 4 , 2011

Xidan, Beijing

second ripple appeared, this time is in Xidan, a downtown area, crowded people.---just like the first time in Wangfujing. details still unknown, let us see if there will be any report on this from foreign MSM.

[cayman]

The thing is very tricky :confused::

U.S. Ambassador Jon Huntsman, Spotted at China Demonstration
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/23/jasmine-revolution-jon-huntsman-spotted-at-china-demonstration/
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