You think you are a god?

[humanalien]

With all this charles crap going around and people
believing that aliens are here to help mankind raise
their consciousness level so that they can go on to
the next level, read this:

http://www.fillthevoid.org/Ufo/TheFalsegospel.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

LOL...

There is no Satan...

this is fear mongering to the 10th...

[trenairio]

That link contains a fundamentalist bias. No offense, I respect one's right to believe.

[Kra]

With all this charles crap going around and people
believing that aliens are here to help mankind raise
their consciousness level so that they can go on to
the next level, read this:

http://www.fillthevoid.org/Ufo/TheFalsegospel.html

All I can do is laugh... and I'm not a Charles follower.

[king anthony]

Long ago the words used to describe environment, knowledge, unexplainable events and those things truly unexplainable - were simple, evolutional, mystical and still unexplainable; is this not where human beings seek to find their meaning!?

How can one say that all the many are kind; how can one say that the few of the many will always continue to be so!? Has not the knowledge of the ancients told of the harvest and devastation of the multitudes!?

Is not to make claim of 'good' and 'evil' something which human beings give to themselves; for what is 'good' and 'evil'!? Would not animals, if having theology, say humankind is 'evil' - yet, do human beings overall see themselves as such!?

Do not species put their own first and others next if or when needed!? Is not to dismiss these 'others' to be uninformed, unprepared and understanding not of what is!? Is not faith an individual thought, which differs from knowledge!?

Is not to live off of faith alone leaving one with hunger!? Is not to say 'faith is an absolute' a lie to fact!? Is not to argue that each one has the right to opinion, the same as arguing salt is not 'necessary for life', or that an apple does not fall from a tree!?

I say, if one has created themselves, has all knowing and is the beginning and the end - then the answer is given. Is humankind water and dirt, for are not these things a part of one and the many!?

[Swami]

With all this charles crap going around and people
believing that aliens are here to help mankind raise
their consciousness level so that they can go on to
the next level, read this:

http://www.fillthevoid.org/Ufo/TheFalsegospel.html

Mwah, this post says more about you than Charles (Sjeit, first time I typed his name..)

[Richard]

With all this charles crap going around and people
believing that aliens are here to help mankind <snip>

http://www.fillthevoid.org/Ufo/TheFalsegospel.html

Far be it for me to endorse the "charles crap" or that "aliens are here to help mankind" but that page is the biggest load of crap I've read in a long time. Is there a corresponding YouTube video? It's an excellent way to spread BS far and wide. :P

[Shezbeth]

:lol:

Hilarious! And, to answer the thread title - Yes! I AM God! Please excuse the suit, I got it secondhand. ^_^

[humanalien]

Obviously, their isn't one among you that believe in God,
the one and only creator.

For some of you:
You all would rather believe that aliens, of many different
species created you and they have endowed you with the
power to go on to the next level of consciousness, with
their help.

For the charles believers:
You would rather believe that charles has a machine that
can do many miraculous things to the human mind.

You would rather believe that charles has a 5000 year old
human master than believe in God.

When is the last time you saw a 5000 year old human?
I for one never have.

These stories are by far, are more ridiculous than
believing in God.

It doesn't bother me that you don't believe in God.
To each his/her own as the saying goes but to believe
the stuff that charles has been saying is very childish.

You have a brain. Please use it......

[Swami]

Obviously, their isn't one among you that believe in God,
the one and only creator.

For some of you:
You all would rather believe that aliens, of many different
species created you and they have endowed you with the
power to go on to the next level of consciousness, with
their help.

For the charles believers:
You would rather believe that charles has a machine that
can do many miraculous things to the human mind.

You would rather believe that charles has a 5000 year old
human master than believe in God.

When is the last time you saw a 5000 year old human?
I for one never have.

These stories are by far, are more ridiculous than
believing in God.

It doesn't bother me that you don't believe in God.
To each his/her own as the saying goes but to believe
the stuff that charles has been saying is very childish.

You have a brain. Please use it......

And who is "your" GOD

Gold
Oil
Drugs

?
?

[AlkaMyst]

humanalien

First of all, I for one don't care at all about the "Charles Material".....never followed it, but I can't say that I don't know anything about it. I just refuse to discuss it because I know others don't want to hear what I have to say and my mom always said "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say it at all".

With that in mind and the above covered, allow me to explain to you why some people feel the way they do. No one here is mad at you or trying to insult you in any way, shape or form.....It is only that most of the members here at Avalon are at a higher spiritual level then the religion game (the biggest mind control tool to ever be used against man kind!). Please don't take any offense as I say this with all due respect, you can believe in anything you want and that's OK because it is your business but when you make comments like the one above and try to impose those believes on others who understand spirituality and are working on developing higher levels, then people may take offense.

Look, I'm not here to debate GOD (which if you thinks about it is DOG spelled backwards) or religion......but I will tell you this, once you awake and understand certain things you will come to the realization that that which you call GOD, Spirit, consciousness, Ether or whatever else people may want to call it, then you too will understand that you are part of GOD as you are creator and co-creator of all things! If you only understood who you really are, then you would not have even asked the question in the first place.

There are certain things that you must understand first, and to you I offer and encourage you to watch the following documentaries as they will make you see things a bit differently.....

"Who's Driving The Dream Bus"
http://theavalonfiles.com/stream/Whos_Driving_The_Dreambus/index.html

"Wake up - A film about spirituality"
http://theavalonfiles.com/stream/wake_up/index.html

And after you are done with those, then read up on some of my threads about shamanism with over 15 documentaries on the subject combined!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11705-All-About-Shamanism-Documentaries-and-More!!!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10923-New-Shamanic-Documentary-Metamorphosis-A-Journey-of-Tranformation

This will help you understand somethings and hopefully put you on a journey of self discovery!.....Remember, stop looking for GOD outside and start looking for it inside, that's where all the fun stuff happens :)

I say this words to you with the utmost respect and hope I haven't offended you in any way, if I have then please forgive me as those were not my intentions!

PS
I have also PM'ed you the login info to the FTP Account I created for Avalon Members.....everything you need to start your journey is there, including all the documentaries that I recommended you above. ENJOY!!!

With Respect, Love, Peace and Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[AlkaMyst]

Swami my dear friend, let's play nice!

Let's help humanalien instead of attacking him, he just needs some guidance and understanding....I think this can become a great thread!

With the utmost respect,
AlkaMyst

[Darla Ken Pearce]

This is the perspective of Zetas. They have no emotions and lack a heart. After 2,000 of this Satan business and using Jesus Christ to justify wars, killing, genocide, corruption, greed, and loss of freedom and sovereignty in his name, I would like to suggest ~ we give these very bad ideas a hiatus for the next 2,000 years to balance it out. How about it? xoxox

[Eva2]

[QUOTE=humanalien;156344]Obviously, their isn't one among you that believe in God,
the one and only creator.

I believe in a Godhead but not in "God" - labelling something God puts lines around a concept that is limitless

[zelda]

Ok, let's see as a Christian I can say that yes I am God because I received the Holy Spirit who in turn is part on the Holy Trinity. God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are one and the same (the mystery of the Holy Trinity).
As a spiritual person I can say that yes I am God, we all are Gods. We all come from the same energy source, whether you want to call it God, Rha, Buddah, etc., well is up to every individual.

[de rien]

Bickering is a tool that is to drive us apart. If driven apart it is harder for us to unify our power. If not unified, how will we make the change we long for? We are all headed towards the same path and coming from different parts. Our goal is the same; To Live Unified in Harmony and from a Place of Unconditional Love. Lets start now by leaving everything that does not fit into that goal. Leave it where it belongs- out of our minds and hearts. As AlkaMyst says " If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it at all." I go as far as to say do not even think it. What you say or think of another is what you create for yourself.

[fox.mulder]

Hi Guys
I have found a lot of similarities between teachings of Jesus and what people discuss on this forum,
For example

SIN = Service to self = Lower vibrationary state

God the Father , the Son & the Holy Spirit = ONE Consciousness with distinct aspects

We are part of God as we have the “Holy Spirit” = we are part of that one consciousness.

Salvation = Knowing who we are , being changed in a sense by moving to a high level of consciousness and turning away (ie repenting) from the lower vibrationary state behaviours

Angels and other visitors = Aliens (also part of the the one consciousness)

Serpent in the garden and Satan = Those evil reptilian aliens who have gone their own way.

regards

Fox Mulder

Fight the Future

[witchy1]

It doesn't bother me that you don't believe in God.To each his/her own as the saying goes but to believe the stuff that charles has been saying is very childish. You have a brain. Please use it......

Humanalien, might I suggest that you do care - your condescending statment "You have a brain. Please use it" clearly signifies that. It also appears from your post that in your opinion, it is your belief that is correct and by default anyone who disagrees with that opinion is incorrect. It is only out of kindness that I point out that your post reads as patronizing.

Was it your intention to create disharmony?

It was sad to read your comment
Obviously, their isn't one among you that believe in God, the one and only creator.

I am unsure where from this discourse that you have come upon this quantum leap in judgement of others. There would be few here who disbeleive in the omnipotent, all powerful one creator of all things who resides in each of us. Many on Avalon are well on the path to enlightenment, it would appear IMHO that your true path has yet to begin.

If I could suggest that you take some time reading the contents of many threads that discuss this very topic and take some time to listen to the considerations of others. It is close to the hearts of many. Alkamyst has provided you an excellent starting point if you are not too blinded by your own viewpoint.

You may have noticed at Avalon we leave it up to each person to determine what they beleive in and as part of this culture we do no insist on others believing our personal point(s) of view. You do not have that right

However if you have something (in fact anything) that resembles sound, well thought out, rational and logical point of view, please state you case without derision. We are listenting.

[AlkaMyst]

Can we all just sing Kum-bay ya......:grouphug:


Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, the Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.


Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.

Someone's laughing, Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's laughing, Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's laughing, Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.


Hear me crying, Lord, kum bay ya;
Hear me crying, Lord, kum bay ya;
Hear me crying, Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.

Someone's crying, Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's crying, Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's crying, Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.


Hear me singing, Lord, kum bay ya;
Hear me singing, Lord, kum bay ya;
Hear me singing, Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.

Someone's praying, Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's praying, Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's praying, Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.


Hear me praying, Lord, kum bay ya;
Hear me praying, Lord, kum bay ya;
Hear me praying, Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.

Someone's singing, Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's singing, Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's singing, Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.


Oh, I need you, Lord, kum bay ya;
Oh, I need you, Lord, kum bay ya;
Oh, I need you, Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.

:lol:......I'm sorry, I just had to say that!!!

But on a serious note, I think witchy could not have said it any better.....Thank you my friend!!!


You may have noticed at Avalon we leave it up to each person to determine what they believe in and as part of this culture we do no insist on others believing our personal point(s) of view. You do not have that right.

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[DarkOne]

@HumanAlien - please don't be offended when I point out that you may have misjudged the people in this forum - "Obviously, their isn't one among you that believe in God" just seems a little dumb to me..Do you know these people personally have you sat with them, walked a mile in there shoes, etc? No i didn't think so. And because i just can't resist it I ask you as you asked us "When is the last time you saw a 5000 year old human" - well when was the last time you saw God? If you answer in your dreams , feelings, or you just know then I feel your are offering as much proof as "Charles"...maybe less so at least Bill backs his claims as to broken fingers etc. Anyway I think you should take some sage advise from your betters and elders..AlkaMyst seems nice - or is he a necromancer...LOL...Perhaps Darla view will help or is she a witch...(sorry Darla - just baiting the line) but can't you see that the passage your link quotes may have been inserted by lets say I don't know - a person who wanted to promote discord/disharmony or a church/religion that acts like the state of Rome...I think you need a little more research into the bibles history i.e. missing books and edits etc. and even perhaps read up on the first Pope Constantine he believed he was God or pretty damn close..

[InCiDeR]

To begin with we have to define the semantic meaning of the word God...


*EDIT*

In my humble opinion we will be able to define the word but not the meaning

[AlkaMyst]

AlkaMyst seems nice - or is he a necromancer...LOL

ROFLMAO.....this is just too funny, thanks DarkOne you just made my night! :rofl:


I think you need a little more research into the bibles history i.e. missing books and edits etc. and even perhaps read up on the first Pope Constantine he believed he was God or pretty damn close..

Very well said my friend, and by the way there's an excellent documentary inside the FTP which I can't recall the name right now (I'll look it up and posted when I find it amongst the 300GB plus of stuff there :lol:) but it explains the whole history about Constantine and Christianity.....and most of the lost books of the bible are there too (all the good stuff from Enoch too!).

Please make use of it and I guarantee you'll change your mind!

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[truthseekerdan]

Religious people have no use for knowledge, or for that which comes into the hearth as a gift of God, but only what can be read from the written page.
They have a rule for everything. Look it up in the book, instead of looking into the heart. They lose the spirit of the Law, as they look to the letter of the Law.

Our future is the basis of our freedom and our freedom is the basis upon which we will build our future. Only those who have freedom will have a future and only those with freedom have a choice to accept or change the circumstances that surround their life.

The world we live in is not the world we know. There is another world hidden behind the reality of the world we manifest within our consciousness. If we penetrate one, we must penetrate both in order to find meaning and balance. And if we have found meaning and balance in our lives, we have found unconditional love.

Another thread for great reading is Spirituality vs Religion (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3079-Spirituality-vs-Religion&highlight=spirituality+religion)

Love and blessings ~ Dan ♥

P.S. This post was not intended at anyone in particular...:)

[Houman]

There is a huge amount of deception going on right now in the "disclosure movement"...
The truth behind the veil is not for the faint of heart and I weight my words... my purpose here is not to cause fear but discernment...

[Sowelu]

Hmm...why is your name human alien if you're so against such ideas :P
Wait jesus can heal and walk on water
A man can part the red seas with a stick
or cause all the waters and wines to turn to blood..
cause swarms of locuses and frogs..
A man could build a ship large enough to hold 2 of every animal in the world
by hand with the help of a few family members...and somehow feed them all for 40
days

And a machine and aliens are unbelievable?

WHY do people still think that this one little rock is the only one (out of limitless galaxies and planets too far to reach)
that can contain life?

bah!

...why bicker about titles anyways...ufo... god? who cares?
The past isn't going to help our present predicament...
and even so wether its "god" or non interferring aliens
we're in the same boat.
Cause we're still "on our own"
People may blame god if their prayer happens to work but how many prayers go unanswered?
Even by those with "true faith" and "true devotion"
We will all believe whatever we wish to believe in and i encourage you do the same without trying to force your views...it is not your job to control one's faith
that is the purpose of the metaphorical "Satan"

DO YOU THINK YOU'RE SATAN?
o_0
jk lol...

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I believe this is the forum you're looking for....http://www.talkjesus.com/

[Lord Sidious]

Humanalien, don't be offended at what I am going to put here, as that isn't my intent.
I have transcended religion and I no longer need ''a system'' to teach me what I need to know and I can tell you I am not alone in this here.
Many of us are able to find what we need internally, from our higher selves.
I view religious systems as trainer wheels that you have until you don't need them anymore.
There is no wisdom in following anothers words, deeds and rules.
And why would I need another to help me speak to my creator?
I didn't need that help to speak to my parents as a kid, why would I need that help to speak to that of which I am a part of?

[noxon medem]

..

With all this charles crap going around and people
believing that aliens are here to help mankind raise
their consciousness level so that they can go on to
the next level, read this:

http://www.fillthevoid.org/Ufo/TheFalsegospel.html

Dear, humanalien.

5068
- or put a C in it ..

The good people here show you more respect than you show them.
- And therefore more than you realy deserve.
There is a lesson just there, if that is what you are looking for.
To me you seem to be, on this occation, a joker and provoker.

And,
5065
Your current avatar tells me not to take this seriously.

But,
I will play a quick duality with you here,
and leave the charles-connection out of it.

The webpage you linked to is a false gospel indeed, URL is right on the spot.
(Do not spend time with that crap, it is damaging to your senses)
It is made by someone realy stupid or realy evil.
I prefer to think the first, for their sake.
You should think of what kind of attention you want to have here.
You are playing with fire, and it is burning in your end of the wire.

Perhaps try something like this for an avatar:
5066
( also pretty godlike, if you ask me .. )

Take care.
Me personaly am both easily amused, and easily annoyed.
I will go with amused here, if nothing else then for my own wellbeing.

There is a lot of deception around, and you could have raised
a sincere, intelligent and respectful debate about it.
Please try again.

This calls for a soothing image:

5067

see ?

..

[KosmicKat]

After all the caveats and cautions ... threats even? well what else can I call it when the Bible says do this... ...don't do that, I have been very cautious about committing to some of the new ideas I have been exposed to. But I have to say that what looks like truth to me has changed radically. Am I equal with the limitless, the first source and center? I find it hard to believe that I am. But I have been invited to see the potential that not only I, but all of us (not just humans but every creature with a free will) are capable of achieving. And from where I am standing right now (ok, sitting) the challenge before us is to re-unite with our creator, but that isn't the end of the journey - I am assured there will be more!

Edit to add: when we talk about God, most of us with a western education assume by default that we are talking about the deity worshipped by the Jewish people before Christianity, referred to by Jesus as "Your Father". But hell was borrowed from the Norse culture - Hel, the underworld which may, or may not include a lake of fire that burns forever.

[jjl]

Obviously, their isn't one among you that believe in God,
the one and only creator.

...

Please don't presume what I know, believe or how I behave. You can't know everyone of us, because honestly; this is the first time I have heard of you. My relationship with my creator is deep and intense, always has been. It's the very reason I choose life no matter what my circumstances have been. It's lucky for me because I spent my youth being shuffled from different Christian religions, in the end, realizing that very few people walked the talk. (I would expound further on this but it would ruin your day.)
As a good Christian, you should know better than make sweeping assumptions about ANY part of humanity. If it's souls you are saving, please fish elsewhere. One more point, I had to leave the church to become a better Christian, and a more protected one.
To (mis)quote Gandhi, I am a Christian and a Jew, Muslim and Hindi, I am brother (sister) to humanity

[Celine]

Obviously, their isn't one among you that believe in God,
the one and only creator.

For some of you:
You all would rather believe that aliens, of many different
species created you and they have endowed you with the
power to go on to the next level of consciousness, with
their help.

For the charles believers:
You would rather believe that charles has a machine that
can do many miraculous things to the human mind.

You would rather believe that charles has a 5000 year old
human master than believe in God.

When is the last time you saw a 5000 year old human?
I for one never have.

These stories are by far, are more ridiculous than
believing in God.

It doesn't bother me that you don't believe in God.
To each his/her own as the saying goes but to believe
the stuff that charles has been saying is very childish.

You have a brain. Please use it......

And who is "your" GOD

Gold
Oil
Drugs

?
?

Guilt ? Shame?

*celine laughs*


I am Creator.

[Gone002]

I believe in GOD and i feel that it always has a plan and flow. We may not see its plan or understand its purpose but its always there.

[greybeard]

We create in tandem, in that, there is an agreed uniformity and scale of things that go with Cosmic law.
Gravity affects all equally for example.
I can decide to reduce gravity and be light enough to fly, if I could then it would affect all others and some would no wish to fly.
So our ability to create affects the totality and the totality affect us,

We can create but within set principals because everything we do affect everyone else and what everyone else does affects us,
So there are safe guards set by an intelligence greater than us which brought us into being.
I call that intelligence God and I am part of that which I call God.

I am a wave of the Divine Ocean.
Marcel Messing said "Now the wave has to become The Ocean.
Exciting times ahead.
Chris

[Richard]

Obviously, their isn't one among you that believe in God,
the one and only creator.

Wrong again, I believe in the One Creator. But not the controlling structure of religions. It seems they have their hooks firmly set in you though.


You would rather believe that charles has a 5000 year old
human master than believe in God.

When is the last time you saw a 5000 year old human?
I for one never have.

These stories are by far, are more ridiculous than
believing in God.

But the stories in a book written and re-rewritten by MEN is without question the word of God huh? They have been using this Book of fables to control people like you for thousands of years. We as a species are growing out of the need for false prophets and misguided religions. Care to join us? The Bible wont help you in the new paradigm, unless you use it for kindling to keep warm.



You have a brain. Please use it....


Yes, please do!

[Richard]

Oh and as a side point, how typical is it the the Church took away our true holiness by assigning it elsewhere,

The holy trinity is Body, Mind and Spirit and is in each of us.

The church would have you believe we are not gods so they can maintain their power structures.

[apollo41]

To many people? oopps i mean sheople? believe this charles character...
I for one think he is a shady character, some truth and some disinfo? just to keep you interested!!!

[greybeard]

I agree with Richard
We do not need religion now we have out grown it.
I dont need a middle man, but the guidance from Christ The Buddha Krishna invaluable.
If I want to learn how to play golf or do anything that requires skill and knowledge or just how to. then I go to to some one who has a successful track record.
They guide me to begin with then let me be to find my own way now I have the necessary tools
Any good teacher does not want followers and becomes progressively redundant.

There are many people here whom I respect who have different points of view, so what!!!
Many different names for the Creator but we are all really talking about the same Intelligence that we are part of.

Im sure God does not mind in the slightest.

Lots of very good people here of many different beliefs.

Chris

[Celine]

To many people? oopps i mean sheople? believe this charles character...
I for one think he is a shady character, some truth and some disinfo? just to keep you interested!!!


I am not sheeple

I am creator

[jjl]

thanks Richard, I appreciate your points and decided that you're right. Must be a little too cranky this AM and should watch myself. I thank you.

[Richard]

What I dont understand...
If you don't like the Charles info, just be patient, you will soon get your forum back. But I am curious why the people who dislike the "Charles" stuff, find the need to read and post about it. If you express yourself on the subject, it will just keep the thread running.

I think that should be rethought and rephrased there jj,
How about "If you don't like the Charles info don't read it. this is a forum with a wide range of topics, read others."


Most of Charles related threads are in its own subforum which makes it easier to ignore if you wish.
I am not a "follower" of Charles but am watching the developments with interest as it never has strayed from a positive route.
I have seen some really cool things both here and in the chatroom with a more interactive Atticus .
There is nothing to fear of growth my friends.


you will soon get your forum back It was never lost, just some perspective was.

[aroundthetable]

Perhaps all the would be gods would kindly create a planet juss for a tiny demo, ok how about a blade of grass?

[GoldenYears]

Religions view God as as entity.......I view God as energy.....

When people pray to God...they are talking to God

When I still my mind in comtemplation..I am listening to God

[aroundthetable]

Gods energy is from God, like the sunshine comes from the sun, so at least you are on your way. We can and should both talk to God and listen to God. God bless you :)

[greybeard]

This is important,
We need to think about what we want.
Do not let the mind wander to what is not desirable.
When we think of overcoming the elite we are stuck in creating that which we dont want.
When enough people let go of all that stop giving it power and concentrate on what we really want then the 100th monkey principal will apply and we will then create in tandem a new earth.
Fighting, trying to change the system will not work that has been fought against by well meaning people for eons.
Just more of the same.
One dictatorship replaces another.

If we are creating in every moment with every though then we need to change our thinking, do we not?
If you really understand the power of the mind you will know that the change in all things come through a focus on what we want

The magnifying glass will burn a hole in paper only when the focus of the suns rays is concentrated on on spot.

You want a New Earth a new way of being well focus only on what you want, forget the elite, the 33.

Mind changes, world changes.

Namaste

[manny]

i started a thread earlier but maybe it would be more apt here.
Synchronicity
i feel I need to share this you all.
On my coffee table I have a meditating man(figurine) and a candle.
I felt there was something missing.
I woke up this morning and a thought popped in my head.
What I needed was a stone on the table to represent the earth.
I would wait until I found the right one.

I kept this thought to myself,and that was that.

About two hours later my partner nipped to the shops.
When she came back in,she said

“look what I found outside,this stone is,nt it lovely,the shape and the colours”

Well I could not believe it,and started to laugh.

Synchronicity or coincidence.

life is wonderful.
and i read somewhere that if you are looking for god,you would find him everywhere.
under every stone,in every blade of grass.search and you will find me.

lifes about free will and what we make of it.with the knowledge of helping others or learning from others.
to make this place a better place.
god i feel good today.
love and peace

[greybeard]

There is no where that God is not and that includes every atom of your being.
Namaste

[Lettherebelight]

I am not a god.

I am an eternal servant of God,
who is situated in my heart, and in the heart of every living being.

Is the title of this thread, 'god', referring simply to individual's managerial positions within this universe?
Like a minor demigods?

[tkh123186]

Obviously, their isn't one among you that believe in God,
the one and only creator.

For some of you:
You all would rather believe that aliens, of many different
species created you and they have endowed you with the
power to go on to the next level of consciousness, with
their help.

For the charles believers:
You would rather believe that charles has a machine that
can do many miraculous things to the human mind.

You would rather believe that charles has a 5000 year old
human master than believe in God.

When is the last time you saw a 5000 year old human?
I for one never have.

These stories are by far, are more ridiculous than
believing in God.

It doesn't bother me that you don't believe in God.
To each his/her own as the saying goes but to believe
the stuff that charles has been saying is very childish.

You have a brain. Please use it......

Seriously? You are going to question the intelligence of the people on this forum? I am sorry but I think there is alot more evidence pointing to Aliens from the past then a God that created everything and Satan is just trying to take over the world again.... im sorry but that sounds like a fairy tale to an educated person. Feel free to believe in whatever you like but don't call us unintelligent because we search for answers other then whats in the "Bible".

[mike1414]

A person does not have to be behind bars to be a prisoner. People can be prisoners of their own concepts and ideas. They can be slaves to their own selves

love

[manny]

Obviously, their isn't one among you that believe in God,
the one and only creator.

For some of you:
You all would rather believe that aliens, of many different
species created you and they have endowed you with the
power to go on to the next level of consciousness, with
their help.

For the charles believers:
You would rather believe that charles has a machine that
can do many miraculous things to the human mind.

You would rather believe that charles has a 5000 year old
human master than believe in God.

When is the last time you saw a 5000 year old human?
I for one never have.

These stories are by far, are more ridiculous than
believing in God.

It doesn't bother me that you don't believe in God.
To each his/her own as the saying goes but to believe
the stuff that charles has been saying is very childish.

You have a brain. Please use it......

Seriously? You are going to question the intelligence of the people on this forum? I am sorry but I think there is alot more evidence pointing to Aliens from the past then a God that created everything and Satan is just trying to take over the world again.... im sorry but that sounds like a fairy tale to an educated person. Feel free to believe in whatever you like but don't call us unintelligent because we search for answers other then whats in the "Bible".
god is what you perceive him to be either a alien or a etheric spirit.
at the end of the day its down to each individual to find his own path.

[InCiDeR]

To begin with we have to define the semantic meaning of the word God...


*EDIT*

In my humble opinion we will be able to define the word but not the meaning

If I care to elaborate:


Do I believe in God?

One can define the semantic meaning of the word God as ”The highest power/force an entity will be able to subjective imagine are named God.”

Therefore if an entity imagine an alien to be the highest imaginable ”power/force” follows that the alien is God for that entity in its semantic meaning.

- Therefore the discussion if someone believes in God or not are pointless due to reason.


Do I think I am God?

If I believe God are the creator of everything and I am a part of everything, yes I am God in that sense.

But if I also think that God can not be comprehended by the human mind, because if I totally understood every aspect of God that would imply that I as a human would have control over God. Therefore I would be God and both God and I would cease to exist in a puff of logic cloud.

- Therefore the discussion if I think I am God or not are pointless due to reason.



But I do believe God has a sense of humour:

Over Three Hundred Proofs of God’s Existence
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

EDIT


I almost forgot how funny those proofs are, here are some examples:

ARGUMENT FROM FEAR
(1) If there is no God then we're all going to not exist after we die.
(2) I'm afraid of that.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

DORE'S ARGUMENT
(1) I forgot to take my meds.
(2) Therefore, I AM CHRIST!!
(3) Therefore, God exists.

ARGUMENT FROM INTERNET AUTHORITY
(1) There is a website that successfully argues for the existence of God.
(2) Here is the URL.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

Love and compassion / Thomas

[Perplex]

you guys pointed out my opinion so well that it would be useless to just repeat it.. sure, I have nothing against humanalien's personal beliefs , but I must say, this is not the place to try and sell such HILARIOUS bull**** :) .

Cheers,
Perplex

[greybeard]

At the moment the wave of the Divine ocean can say I am a wave, but cant say I am the Ocean.
The God Realized Sage can say I am the Totality All of It.
It is possible for us to be That.
Christ said it.

Namaste

[aroundthetable]

[QUOTE=InCiDeR;156

If I believe God are the creator of everything and I am a part of everything, yes I am God in that sense.

But if I also think that God can not be comprehended by the human mind,

Your a good thinker,
you said, If I believe God are the creator of everything and I am a part of everything, yes I am God in that sense.
Yes you are very close and your intelligence in the mode of goodness, BUT!! we are parts and parcels of God, just like sparks from a fire, the sparks are not the fire but they are caused by the fire. So yes we are tiny little fragments of God, but that does not make us God.

You also said, 'But if I also think that God can not be comprehended by the human mind' etc......Well there is no way, as you say to fully comprehend God, even Gestalt logic states this i.e the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. BUT!!! The purpose is not to try and fully comprehend God, but comprehend that part which our limited intelligence can perceive. As Manny said earlier, observing nature for example is a nice meditation to begin our understanding.

God bless :)

[truthseekerdan]

I am not a god.

I am an eternal servant of God,
who is situated in my heart, and in the heart of every living being.

Is the title of this thread, 'god', referring simply to individual's managerial positions within this universe?
Like a minor demigods?

The Source (God) does not need servants -- that is a religious belief...

Does Unconditional Love need to be served?

I know this will be picked apart -- am out to enjoy the sunny day! :)

Spirituality vs Religion (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3079-Spirituality-vs-Religion&highlight=spirituality+religion)

Namaste ~ Dan

[aroundthetable]

I am not a god.

I am an eternal servant of God,
who is situated in my heart, and in the heart of every living being.

Is the title of this thread, 'god', referring simply to individual's managerial positions within this universe?
Like a minor demigods?

The Source (God) does not need servants -- that is a religious belief...

Does Unconditional Love need to be served?

I know this will be picked apart -- am out to enjoy the sunny day! :)

Spirituality vs Religion (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3079-Spirituality-vs-Religion&highlight=spirituality+religion)

Namaste ~ Dan

Hey Dan :) juss a wee pick apart!!! Unconditional love is ALL about service, its a two way process, otherwise how can love arise? The parents are serving their children all the time, from unconditional love. A pet owner serves the pet all the time, again from unconditional love. My point is we are all engaged in service in one way or another, so it is out of love we serve God and out of love God serves us. Love means service and offering service means you are therefore a servant, however distasteful that term has become in the western mindset.

Enjoy your sunny day lil servant :)

At your service :)

[Lost Soul]

First, I'm not a Charles junkie. I have my own life's path to pursue. Second, discernment is an important thing to develop and to use whether it's anything that Charles says or anything that one hears or reads. The stuff in the link holds no appeal to me.

[truthseekerdan]

The parents are serving their children all the time, from unconditional love. A pet owner serves the pet all the time, again from unconditional love.

Looks like you're contradicting yourself my friend...

Then who's your parent/owner? ;)

Have a great day!

[aroundthetable]

[QUOTE]The parents are serving their children all the time, from unconditional love. A pet owner serves the pet all the time, again from unconditional love.

Truthseeker dan says....Looks like you're contradicting yourself my friend...

Then who's your parent/owner? ;)



HAH!!! I KNEW that would stop you getting out the door. I dont see the contradiction? The whole world is engaged in service! Everyday we are serving our boss at work, we serve the government etc etc, when we garden we are serving plants, i serve my wife, my wife serves me ( not enough mind, lol) The original poster was talking about loving service, not about material 'ownership', none of us 'own' anything or anyone, but then you know that....now please go and enjoy your sunny day, the sun is serving us all :) Its raining here, what wonderful service the rain gives to us.

[InCiDeR]

I love this :whoo: Brilliant minds discussing in polite manners! :grouphug:



we are parts and parcels of God, just like sparks from a fire, the sparks are not the fire but they are caused by the fire. So yes we are tiny little fragments of God, but that does not make us God.


I do understand what you coming from. But one of my braincells are a part of me, and I still consider it to be me. Without it I might not function, with it I hopefully:loco: will.

The sparks and the fire could be considered Gods braincells.



The purpose is not to try and fully comprehend God, but comprehend that part which our limited intelligence can perceive. As Manny said earlier, observing nature for example is a nice meditation to begin our understanding.

If I can not fully comprehend God, would I then be able to know what my purpose are to comprehend? :boink: :hug:


*Bouncing back to vacuum*

Let there be light, illuminate us / Thomas

[aroundthetable]

I love this :whoo: Brilliant minds discussing in polite manners! :grouphug:





I do understand what you coming from. But one of my braincells are a part of me, and I still consider it to be me. Without it I might not function, with it I hopefully:loco: will.

The sparks and the fire could be considered Gods braincells.

If I can not fully comprehend God, would I then be able to know what my purpose are to comprehend? :boink: :hug:


*Bouncing back to vacuum*

Let there be light, illuminate us / Thomas

Discussion without sniping should be encouraged here! The key ingredient is a little bit of sincerity, which you clearly have ( not meaning to be patronising)

Could i just make clear first that i am not concocting these statements myself, they are from vedic scriptures which i personally find fantastic.

So....your brain!!!! Your brain cells are a part of your body but they are not you, just like if you cut off your finger...you still remain you...so you are not your body, the body is material, we are not :)

Your purpose?... well..that is up to you! we have free will, BUT!! If we are talking about getting to know God, then im afraid you cannot do this by your own efforts alone, God gives us the intelligence by which to know him, but this requires sincerity on our part. Personally i was dragged kicking and screaming, but the worst times in my life ended up being the best!! It is a very subtle process of self realisation, so subtle that the kick the door down controller mentality will completely miss it.

[greybeard]

In humility till you know what you are, you humbly ask the One who knows to remove the obstacles to that knowing.
There are no contradictions just levels of perception.
Till You (higher Self) holds up the mirror of truth to view yourself you dont know.
Those who know say it cant be spoken of only experienced.
Respectfully we are talking about therefore we dont know,

Namaste

[Maria Stade]

Go back back back ......

To the ONE not ever damaged.

The spark that is YOU !

The heart will show you the way if you are listening !

Know your self know who you are !

Start Now !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_ALElMLpRA

Namaste

[Revere]

Be kind to Humanalien.

I bet he really meant no harm and only acted from his point of reference in his personal journey. At least he cares enough for you that he wanted to point out what I believe he thought may help others. We are in times of Truth and falsities standing side by side. But, only God knows his, mine and your heart. I am in place to judge no one. He is human, as I saw others are as well in their reflexive response. The old calling the kettle black parable or point out the splinter in your neighbor’s eye while ignoring the plank in our own may apply here. For so many of us claiming enlightenment here, we all should practice more turning the other cheek a lot more often. Those who always need to bight back to defend their ego will stand in the appropriate light. As well as those of you, who took the high road and cared not to throw the first stone and expressed your opinion with love.

God is so big so wonderful and full of Love. If we truly seek him he is there, here and everywhere. We are all as blind men holding a tail of an elephant and claiming we have God figured out from our human experiences to date. Let your light shine with the Love. Let it shine from those among us that have a dynamic relationship with God. We are all becoming if we seek God and only a fool claims he has arrived. Please take it easy on each other’s organized Religion as well. The abuses that have come from history are by men living in service to themselves and bending Truths for their own gain. It was not the fault of that set of beliefs but, of that set of involved humanity.

Yes, you can tell I consider myself a Christian, a spiritual Christian not quite in sync with the earthly organized institution organized by men. It hurts me and others when the common assumption is that my or your brand of faith led to murder, wars and miss deeds. But, it did not from its own precepts and Truths. Evil self serving men did those deeds and atrocities under its name. Spiritual Muslims probably feel the same way. So, let's be kind to each other’s point of reference and pray that we all find God and truly develop a relationship of responsible love with Him/Her/IT. “You’ll know them by the fruits of their labor.”

Peace & Love,
-R-

[Rocky_Shorz]

Obviously, their isn't one among you that believe in God,
the one and only creator.

For some of you:
You all would rather believe that aliens, of many different
species created you and they have endowed you with the
power to go on to the next level of consciousness, with
their help.

For the charles believers:
You would rather believe that charles has a machine that
can do many miraculous things to the human mind.

You would rather believe that charles has a 5000 year old
human master than believe in God.

When is the last time you saw a 5000 year old human?
I for one never have.

These stories are by far, are more ridiculous than
believing in God.

It doesn't bother me that you don't believe in God.
To each his/her own as the saying goes but to believe
the stuff that charles has been saying is very childish.

You have a brain. Please use it......

actually, you know nothing of the gnostic to say they don't believe in God, the Essenes were gnostic and Jesus lived with them from his early teens to mid 20s...

[humanalien]

It's obvious that i ruffled a few feathers in here but please
believe me that this wasn't my intent. I'm not here acting
as a forum disruptor as some of you may think. Just because
i say something you don't like, are you always going to put
that label on me?

I do see some of your points of view though and i will admit
that i made a couple of statements that i should have never
made and i do deeply apologize for it. I didn't mean to hurt
anyone's feelings here so please forgive me.

I'm fighting a personal battle inside me right now and it's
tearing me apart. I was brought up to believe in God and i
even read the bible, twice. In my later teen years and on
up to present, i've been reading alot about ufo's and aliens
and i was willing to accept the fact that maybe God created
more than just humans in this universe. After all, we can
possibly know every thing God has ever done, just like you
all can't possibly know everything that your parents have
ever done in their lifetime. There-fore i accepted aliens as
one of Gods many creations.

As i studied more and more about them, i started hearing the
stories about many different alien races making a claim that
they are the ones that created human life. At this point, the
battle for my soul began, although i didn't know it yet.

After a little battle with-in, i was finally willing to give it a second
thought and start thinking that maybe we are in a sense, all alien
to this planet. Maybe we all, do have some sort of special abilities
that were put into our dna by the aliens and now they are here trying
to get us to unleash these hidden talents.

As i did further study of aliens, i began finding stories about our creation
that i was just getting to be to much to believe. For instance:

One story i read a few years back, was saying that and alien race, "can't
remember the species right now", were saying that all human life came
from a machine that they built. They just program the machine to any type
of human they wanted and started it up and out the back end, a human would
pop out. That has got to be one of the most ridiculous stories i have ever read.

Anyway, to make a long story short, i've ran across a lot of stories that just totally
make no sense at all and are a total insult to everyones intelligence.

After reading all these stories and the ones that are currently coming out, my
God complex starts coming out and fighting with me and every fiber of my being
is saying that God is the way to go. It's the only thing that make sense to me.

Now that i have shown you a little portion of myself to you, maybe now, you
can understand where i am coming from and also understand that i am not
here as a forum disruptor. I'm just trying to find out why some of you believe
the way you do sense God makes so much more sense to me.

Before i forget, someone here wanted to know why my name is humanalien.

As a teenager, i used to live by a set of railroad tracks. I used to walk these
tracks a lot and just think to myself about many things. I had enough friends
as a teen but i always felt that i never belonged with them or fit in. I used to
walk those tracks and think to myself that i don't belong here "referring to planet
earth". Although i had friends, i just didn't fit in with the crowd. I knew that i
didn't belong with them.

I've had this female friend of mine that i've known almost, all of my life. We
grew up together. I know here family very well and most of her friends and we
all get along just fine. My friend use to have me over to her house all the time
for cook-outs with her and her family. Probably starting around ten years ago,
that feeling of not belonging began hitting me real hard. My last cook-out with
her was about five years ago and it was a bad experience. It was such a very hot
day that the picnic tables were placed inside of her large garage. For me though,
that feeling of not belonging was so strong that i choose to sit outside, up against
the garage wall where the sun was beating down real hard. One woman there must
have realized that something was wrong with me and came out to try and talk with
me but that didn't help at all. A few minutes later, i left. I haven't been back since.

Still believing in aliens and seeing that my outward appearance is human and the
fact that i believe that i am not from this planet, originally, i put the names human
and alien together to sum up what i thought i really was or am. Still deciding on that
one. But anyway, that name stuck with me.

If you don't understand where i'm coming from yet, let me know.

[humanalien]

Be kind to Humanalien.

I bet he really meant no harm and only acted from his point of reference in his personal journey. At least he cares enough for you that he wanted to point out what I believe he thought may help others. We are in times of Truth and falsities standing side by side. But, only God knows his, mine and your heart. I am in place to judge no one. He is human, as I saw others are as well in their reflexive response. The old calling the kettle black parable or point out the splinter in your neighbor’s eye while ignoring the plank in our own may apply here. For so many of us claiming enlightenment here, we all should practice more turning the other cheek a lot more often. Those who always need to bight back to defend their ego will stand in the appropriate light. As well as those of you, who took the high road and cared not to throw the first stone and expressed your opinion with love.

God is so big so wonderful and full of Love. If we truly seek him he is there, here and everywhere. We are all as blind men holding a tail of an elephant and claiming we have God figured out from our human experiences to date. Let your light shine with the Love. Let it shine from those among us that have a dynamic relationship with God. We are all becoming if we seek God and only a fool claims he has arrived. Please take it easy on each other’s organized Religion as well. The abuses that have come from history are by men living in service to themselves and bending Truths for their own gain. It was not the fault of that set of beliefs but, of that set of involved humanity.

Yes, you can tell I consider myself a Christian, a spiritual Christian not quite in sync with the earthly organized institution organized by men. It hurts me and others when the common assumption is that my or your brand of faith led to murder, wars and miss deeds. But, it did not from its own precepts and Truths. Evil self serving men did those deeds and atrocities under its name. Spiritual Muslims probably feel the same way. So, let's be kind to each other’s point of reference and pray that we all find God and truly develop a relationship of responsible love with Him/Her/IT. “You’ll know them by the fruits of their labor.”

Peace & Love,
-R-

Thank-you Revere

In my own way, that is exactly what i was trying to do. I do understand
now that i did a very poor job of getting my point across and i do apologize.

[Lettherebelight]

@ Truthseeker,

I did not say that God needs servants...

I simply said that I am an eternal servant of God..(in a mood of loving servitude.)

But I must amend that, and say that I am aspiring to be the servant
of the servant
of the servant (etc) of God.
I must stress that I'm still at the aspirational stage!

I don't like the sound of 'religiousness' either :)

Namaste also to you

[Arpheus]

You are doing just fine humanalien keep your chin up brother!

[Houman]

Some questions to keep in mind...

- Why are the people at the top of the ladder warlocks and witches?
- Why do they sacrifice people?
- Who are those human (but ugly) looking looking entities that they invoke during their rituals?
- Who are those half humans (living among us) birthed from the intercourse of a human mother and an ugly one described above.
- Why 10% of the population suffers from MPD caused by trauma based mind control. 2% of those are demonized super-soldiers and call themselves "chosen ones"...
- Why was Hitler into "New Age"?
- What is going on in those 100,000 Satanic Covens in the US?
- Why is the focus on perversion and debasement? What is the end goal?
- Are those entities behind the veil of a single group or is there a war going on there too?
- If thoughts and curses have a real effect, what are witches and warlocks doing on forums such as this one or in disclosure conferences?
- If they are far more ancient, how do you know the difference between demons and inter-dimensional malevolent entities (looking at this reality as a virtual one)
- If they are far more ancient, how do you know the difference between angels and benevolent Ets?
- How do you know that you have not been deceived especially if they are far more advanced?
- How do you know where that channeled message is coming from? are you sure about that? What/who was Alice Bailey channeling?
- To control a population you need to control both parties, is that true at a spiritual level too?
- How far/deep does the deception go?
- Is there a confrontation going on at the level of the creator of this universe? what are the parties involved? what is the role of humanity? are we receiving help? if yes in which form? by whom? what are our response-abilities?
...

[humanalien]

One thing i forgot to clarify is that although i do believe
in God, religion is another matter and maybe we shouldn't
clump the two together.

The bible, as with many other religious text, have been fooled
with. I feel that a lot of it was changed to suit the needs of the
religious leaders, so i guess we should just use good judgment
when trying to discern the text. This is the trouble i have right
now.

I try to find passages that will benefit mankind and not the ones
that benefit one man or one religion.

[humanalien]

Some questions to keep in mind...

- Why are the people at the top of the ladder warlocks and witches?
- Why do they sacrifice people?
- Who are those human (but ugly) looking looking entities that they invoke during their rituals?
- Who are those half humans (living among us) birthed from the intercourse of a human mother and an ugly one described above.
- Why 10% of the population suffers from MPD caused by trauma based mind control. 2% of those are demonized super-soldiers and call themselves "chosen ones"...
- Why was Hitler into "New Age"?
- What is going on in those 100,000 Satanic Covens in the US?
- Why is the focus on perversion and debasement? What is the end goal?
- Are those entities behind the veil of a single group or is there a war going on there too?
- If thoughts and curses have a real effect, what are witches and warlocks doing on forums such as this one or in disclosure conferences?
- If they are far more ancient, how do you know the difference between demons and inter-dimensional malevolent entities (looking at this reality as a virtual one)
- If they are far more ancient, how do you know the difference between angels and benevolent Ets?
- How do you know that you have not been deceived especially if they are far more advanced?
- How do you know where that channeled message is coming from? are you sure about that? What/who was Alice Bailey channeling?
- To control a population you need to control both parties, is that true at a spiritual level too?
- How far/deep does the deception go?
- Is there a confrontation going on at the level of the creator of this universe? what are the parties involved? what is the role of humanity? are we receiving help? if yes in which form? by whom? what are our response-abilities?
...

Those are some very valid points. I'd like to see the answer to some of these questions.

[InCiDeR]

I noticed I was a bit unclear :o Probably I am as confused as usual, my humble apologies!



Discussion without sniping should be encouraged here! The key ingredient is a little bit of sincerity, which you clearly have ( not meaning to be patronising)

Quoted for truth. No worries, Dear aroundthetable, I didn’t believe you were patronising.



Could i just make clear first that i am not concocting these statements myself, they are from vedic scriptures which i personally find fantastic.

I agree, the vedic scriptures are very interesting.

To be honest, I selldom speak from my point of view. Sometimes I wonder if I really have a point of view, ”The entity without qualities”!

My chaotic brain mix a compound of all I’ve ever read, heard, dreamt, visioned, analysed and thought… then the outcome will be different almost every time. I often make a stand just to stimulate a discussion. I believe it is my way of growing, learning and understanding, and hopefully the other part will find some seeds as well.



So....your brain!!!! Your brain cells are a part of your body but they are not you, just like if you cut off your finger...you still remain you...so you are not your body, the body is material, we are not :)

I realize I was a bit unclear. I didn’t mean my brain cells literally. If I imagine my mind, body, soul and spirit like a mini-universe. All the different parts it contains are all a part of me, and all together they are me as whole. I can not be outside that mini-universe, if that is the case then the mini-universe will be a part of me… and so on, infinite.

The same goes for God as I view it. Therefore one could say ”I am God, God is me. We are God, God is us. Everything is God, God is everything. You are me, we are all.”



Your purpose?... well..that is up to you! we have free will, BUT!! If we are talking about getting to know God, then im afraid you cannot do this by your own efforts alone, God gives us the intelligence by which to know him, but this requires sincerity on our part.

Once more I was a bit unclear, I have to train my brain better!

You said ”The purpose is not to try and fully comprehend God, but comprehend that part which our limited intelligence can perceive”…. How do you know that this is the purpose? Therefore my statement: ”If I can not fully comprehend God, would I then be able to know what my purpose are to comprehend?”. It might be like "God is, it has no purpose"!



Personally i was dragged kicking and screaming, but the worst times in my life ended up being the best!! It is a very subtle process of self realisation, so subtle that the kick the door down controller mentality will completely miss it.

Totally with you on this!


Thank you aroundthetable, you make my heart smile with your polite and kind manners!


Truthfully and honest / Thomas

[InCiDeR]

humanalien, I feel you! I recognized very much in your story, it made my soul twist in agony and compassion at the same time. Here you are not alone, never been, never will!

I am honored for you being here and sharing your thoughts.

Love and light / Thomas

[Kra]

Perhaps all the would be gods would kindly create a planet juss for a tiny demo, ok how about a blade of grass?

Could you please... ask the same from "your GOD" ? just a tiny demo.

[Chuck]

Thank you humanalien for sharing a very personal experience. A bit presumptuous of me perhaps but would you describe your current situation as being disillusioned?

The only reason I ask is because if you are, then I totally understand. I (and most likely most Avalonians) have full empathy for anyone experiencing that.

You see, I was brought up Catholic … a good one, heheheh. I lived with a priest for 3 years while attending university with the idea of joining the seminary. I studied theology, philosophy. To make a long story short, I did not join the seminary, instead began a very long process of deprogramming. I traveled far and wide, read voraciously … and became VERY dis-illusioned!!! It is an appropriate term because it was an end to illusions, lies, belief systems… everything that I held dear and important in my life… what I thought were rocks of truth… were suddenly gone. I had no frame of reference. Very scary. I would not wish it on anyone. Yet, it was a sacred baptism of fire. To begin to trust the inner light within, the still small voice, no matter what is taught to the contrary on the outside.

Most everyone on this planet, I suspect will have to go through that to some degree: the process of disillusionment. I suspect that we should prepare ourselves to help those going through it in the days to come. It will be chaos… gnashing of teeth, heheheh when entire nations begin to unravel the truth. Not merely the truth of political and economic tyrants but the truth behind religion, God, science, law, education, aliens… everything!

Avalon, lift up thy sword of truth. Protect and defend the path of righteousness (right use of mind) and freedom.

… or … just chill :p

[Lord Sidious]

It's obvious that i ruffled a few feathers in here but please
believe me that this wasn't my intent. I'm not here acting
as a forum disruptor as some of you may think. Just because
i say something you don't like, are you always going to put
that label on me?

I do see some of your points of view though and i will admit
that i made a couple of statements that i should have never
made and i do deeply apologize for it. I didn't mean to hurt
anyone's feelings here so please forgive me.

I'm fighting a personal battle inside me right now and it's
tearing me apart. I was brought up to believe in God and i
even read the bible, twice. In my later teen years and on
up to present, i've been reading alot about ufo's and aliens
and i was willing to accept the fact that maybe God created
more than just humans in this universe. After all, we can
possibly know every thing God has ever done, just like you
all can't possibly know everything that your parents have
ever done in their lifetime. There-fore i accepted aliens as
one of Gods many creations.

As i studied more and more about them, i started hearing the
stories about many different alien races making a claim that
they are the ones that created human life. At this point, the
battle for my soul began, although i didn't know it yet.

After a little battle with-in, i was finally willing to give it a second
thought and start thinking that maybe we are in a sense, all alien
to this planet. Maybe we all, do have some sort of special abilities
that were put into our dna by the aliens and now they are here trying
to get us to unleash these hidden talents.

As i did further study of aliens, i began finding stories about our creation
that i was just getting to be to much to believe. For instance:

One story i read a few years back, was saying that and alien race, "can't
remember the species right now", were saying that all human life came
from a machine that they built. They just program the machine to any type
of human they wanted and started it up and out the back end, a human would
pop out. That has got to be one of the most ridiculous stories i have ever read.

Anyway, to make a long story short, i've ran across a lot of stories that just totally
make no sense at all and are a total insult to everyones intelligence.

After reading all these stories and the ones that are currently coming out, my
God complex starts coming out and fighting with me and every fiber of my being
is saying that God is the way to go. It's the only thing that make sense to me.

Now that i have shown you a little portion of myself to you, maybe now, you
can understand where i am coming from and also understand that i am not
here as a forum disruptor. I'm just trying to find out why some of you believe
the way you do sense God makes so much more sense to me.

Before i forget, someone here wanted to know why my name is humanalien.

As a teenager, i used to live by a set of railroad tracks. I used to walk these
tracks a lot and just think to myself about many things. I had enough friends
as a teen but i always felt that i never belonged with them or fit in. I used to
walk those tracks and think to myself that i don't belong here "referring to planet
earth". Although i had friends, i just didn't fit in with the crowd. I knew that i
didn't belong with them.

I've had this female friend of mine that i've known almost, all of my life. We
grew up together. I know here family very well and most of her friends and we
all get along just fine. My friend use to have me over to her house all the time
for cook-outs with her and her family. Probably starting around ten years ago,
that feeling of not belonging began hitting me real hard. My last cook-out with
her was about five years ago and it was a bad experience. It was such a very hot
day that the picnic tables were placed inside of her large garage. For me though,
that feeling of not belonging was so strong that i choose to sit outside, up against
the garage wall where the sun was beating down real hard. One woman there must
have realized that something was wrong with me and came out to try and talk with
me but that didn't help at all. A few minutes later, i left. I haven't been back since.

Still believing in aliens and seeing that my outward appearance is human and the
fact that i believe that i am not from this planet, originally, i put the names human
and alien together to sum up what i thought i really was or am. Still deciding on that
one. But anyway, that name stuck with me.

If you don't understand where i'm coming from yet, let me know.

Ok, I think I know where you are.
Your higher self seems to be trying to help you escape ''systems'' but you are fighting it.
This conflict is where you feel that personal battle.
If I could make a couple of suggestions;
1 is to let go of the rope and let your higher self guide you.
2 go back and make things right with your friend. I sense a feeling of guilt in you over it, fix it, because I think she
wonders what happened.
3 realise that even if we appear to be rattling your cage, there is no wisdom in remaining static.

If this isn't the best forum for you, then I don't know what is.
Do what I do, take in as much as you can from the people here, they know more than us and allow your higher self to filter it for you.
You will be much richer for it.
As my sig says, trust me.


Some questions to keep in mind...

- Why was Hitler into "New Age"?
...

Where did you get this idea from?

[yaksuit]

To many people? oopps i mean sheople? believe this charles character...
I for one think he is a shady character, some truth and some disinfo? just to keep you interested!!!

Howdy apollo41,
I don't intend to nitpick in a personal way with this reply, but you provided me the following impetus.

Your brief statement reinforces a dialectic which has been facilitated thoroughly on a handful of very lengthy Charles material threads. IMO you seem to be adding to the contextual "dogma" and "rhetoric".

You say "he" is shady?, how do you know that?
Correct me if I am mistaken but isn't "some truth" the same as "disinformation" in the context you have mentioned or any for that matter. And if this "disinfo" (if that is the case) is an attempt to keep people interested then wouldn't you agree it's then working because you have taken the time to post on this very matter.

I don't "know" you and I sense you are not a shady person, I don't think/feel that way about "people".:)
I also suggest that deciding people (members) are "sheeple" is just another meme within this dialectic.

apollo41 I genuinely mean well. :tea:
Please read some of my posts perhaps so you can gauge where I am coming from, as I did yours before I decided to comment.
I appreciate you have been a member for quite some time and don't post much.

Your opinion like any I value, in this instance it did not resonate with me.
I don't discount anybodies opinion as I feel it is foolish to do so.

Cheers,
yak

PS, I sent you a friend request, I will not be offended if you decline. :)

Addendum:
I apologise if I have assumed incorrectly that you have not read any/many of my posts.

[Houman]

Some questions to keep in mind...

- Why was Hitler into "New Age"?
...

Where did you get this idea from?

Read "Hitler and the New Age" by Bob Rosio if you can find it...

Look into the connections between Dietrich Eckart and Hilter. Those are Eckart's words: "I shall have influenced history more than any other German. Follow Hitler! I have initiated him into the secret doctrine, opened his centers to vision and given him the means to communicate with the powers"...

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/luciferic_initiation.htm

[Lord Sidious]

Some questions to keep in mind...

- Why was Hitler into "New Age"?
...

Where did you get this idea from?

Read "Hitler and the New Age" by Bob Rosio if you can find it...

Look into the connections between Dietrich Eckart and Hilter. Those are Eckart's words: "I shall have influenced history more than any other German. Follow Hitler! I have initiated him into the secret doctrine, opened his centers to vision and given him the means to communicate with the powers"...

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/luciferic_initiation.htm

With all due respect to you, that is the biggest load of hogwash I have seen for a while.
Yes, Hitler was in the Thule Society and yes, Eckart was a huge influence over him.
The type of beliefs that they had were not referenced in the abrahamic systems.
They had no belief in that at all.

[Houman]

The type of beliefs that they had were not referenced in the abrahamic systems.
They had no belief in that at all.

Are you sure about that?

" I have seen the Antichrist. He is cruel and intrepid. He frightened me." Hitler (who or what was he talking about?)

look at

"The Twisted Cross: The Occultic Religion of Hitler and the New Age Nazism of the Third Reich" by
Joseph J. Carr

`The Occult and the Third Reich" by Jean-Michel Angebert

[eaglespirit]

The Spiritual Significance of UFOs - A lecture by Don Elkins
http://www.llresearch.org/speeches/speech_1981_0421.aspx

...from Don's talk:
But anyway, Okay. Intelligent infinity. The Creator.

So I asked, “What happens next?” And the answer was, “The Creator decided to know Itself, and in that knowing, decided to use the principle of free will.”

Now, there’s an important word I’m going to use in this communication because it’s the word that’s used by our contact, and it’s the word “distortion.” They call this free will the First Distortion of the Law of One.

Before the Creator decides to know Itself, It is a completely, infinitely homogenized unity. The only law that exists is the Law of One, because there’s only One, the Creator, infinitely. Now, anything stemming from that intelligent infinity is a distortion from that original infinite intelligence. So the first distortion that takes place from intelligent infinity is the distortion the Creator uses to know Itself. This is the distortion of free will.

That is the most important concept with which we have to deal in the entire subject of ufology because it explains everything else in ufology. Everything drops out very simply after we understand the first distortion is primary. Actually, it is why we are here in this room right now. It’s why everything works the way it works: the first distortion—free will.

Now, when I say intelligent, I don’t mean intelligent with a little i or a capital I. I mean intelligent with an I so high you can’t see the top of it. That’s intelligent infinity.

In order to know Itself, the Creator, using free will, subdivides into many parts. It forms various Logoi. And those Logos form sub-Logoi. And those sub-Logoi form sub-sub-Logoi.

Now, if you want to pick the most obvious sub-Logos around us today, you go outside and look up at the Sun—keep your dark glasses on! That is the most obvious sub-Logos in this part of the Creation.

These sub-Logoi form on down throughout the Creation. The way that happens is this. What comes after the first distortion of free will? What’s the second distortion? Well, our contact says we don’t have a word for it. He says, “We’ll pick the closest word in your language for the second distortion, the closest word in the dictionary that defines the Love that is the second distortion.”

That Love is an intense vibration. It’s not a vibration of something. It’s a vibration that is a pure energy. You know, Einstein says E equals mc squared. There’s a relationship between energy and mass. In other words, you can convert mass to energy. Therefore, you do not need something to have energy. You can have pure energy.

The Love that intelligent infinity creates using free will is then energy, pure energy. That pure energy, because of this intense vibration, then, condenses into the third distortion.

The third distortion is light. We see part of the light in our visible spectrum. There’s a lot more light than we can see. We just happen to see a little, narrow band that’s in the visible spectrum.

Now, what happens is that, using the principle of free will, each sub-Logos is extremely intelligent itself because it’s just a sub-divided part of intelligent infinity. It devises a plan for knowing Itself, and creates sub-Logoi which devise plans for knowing themselves, and the first density of Creation is formed.

The first density is a density of earth, water, fire and air, according to our contact. It’s a very simple density, the raw materials of a planet.

I feel most All of Us here BELIEVE in and are in 'rhythm' with Source, Infinity, Creator(whatever vibrates for YOU personally)...
through Our Own Higher Energies and Selfless Doings by Responsible Choice...
the Essence of 'ALL There Is' is neither male or female A Higher Source of Limitless and Endless Love!

There are many Good Souls here, Humanalien...and many that would befriend You without judging!

[HURRITT ENYETO]

What religion doesn't tell you is the word 'Sin' comes from the ancient Greek meaning 'to miss the target' in other words you haven't done something evil and will go to hell for eternity, rather you haven't learned the lesson properly.
Simple. I know which one makes more sense to me :)

[humanalien]

Thank you humanalien for sharing a very personal experience. A bit presumptuous of me perhaps but would you describe your current situation as being disillusioned?

The only reason I ask is because if you are, then I totally understand. I (and most likely most Avalonians) have full empathy for anyone experiencing that.

You see, I was brought up Catholic … a good one, heheheh. I lived with a priest for 3 years while attending university with the idea of joining the seminary. I studied theology, philosophy. To make a long story short, I did not join the seminary, instead began a very long process of deprogramming. I traveled far and wide, read voraciously … and became VERY dis-illusioned!!! It is an appropriate term because it was an end to illusions, lies, belief systems… everything that I held dear and important in my life… what I thought were rocks of truth… were suddenly gone. I had no frame of reference. Very scary. I would not wish it on anyone. Yet, it was a sacred baptism of fire. To begin to trust the inner light within, the still small voice, no matter what is taught to the contrary on the outside.

Most everyone on this planet, I suspect will have to go through that to some degree: the process of disillusionment. I suspect that we should prepare ourselves to help those going through it in the days to come. It will be chaos… gnashing of teeth, heheheh when entire nations begin to unravel the truth. Not merely the truth of political and economic tyrants but the truth behind religion, God, science, law, education, aliens… everything!

Avalon, lift up thy sword of truth. Protect and defend the path of righteousness (right use of mind) and freedom.

… or … just chill :p

To me, there is no disillusion when it comes to believing in God. I know that he exists.
The scriptures verify that. The problem lays in the discernment of them. It is my opinion
that the scriptures have been changed though-out the years to suit the needs of ruling
elite, that happened to be at the time, those that were preaching to others about God.

Back in those days, not very many people could read or write so it wouldn't take much
to change a word here or there or leave out a couple of paragraphs or add a couple in.

My biggest problem is, "and this is the delusional part", are aliens really here to help us
or are they really satans little helpers and they are here to keep us in the dark about
God or to turn and twist his words?

Most of you may have already fought this battle and chose a different path but for me,
the battle continues.

Does that answer your question?

[Maria Stade]

Originally Posted by Houman
Some questions to keep in mind...

- Why was Hitler into "New Age"?
...

Virl and black sun is key words to find answer !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFzOsCTtquQ&feature=related

Yes Hitler used spiritual people !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvcEnOJvzaA

They built flying crafts.

Namaste

[Lord Sidious]

The type of beliefs that they had were not referenced in the abrahamic systems.
They had no belief in that at all.

Are you sure about that?

" I have seen the Antichrist. He is cruel and intrepid. He frightened me." Hitler (who or what was he talking about?)

look at

"The Twisted Cross: The Occultic Religion of Hitler and the New Age Nazism of the Third Reich" by
Joseph J. Carr

`The Occult and the Third Reich" by Jean-Michel Angebert

Yes, I am sure.
You quote to me from outsiders.
I have read from insiders.
He wasn't interested in any of the abrahamic stuff, other than how islam was useful in the warrior paradigm that is part of it.



Originally Posted by Houman
Some questions to keep in mind...

- Why was Hitler into "New Age"?
...

Virl and black sun is key words to find answer !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFzOsCTtquQ&feature=related

Yes Hitler used spiritual people !



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvcEnOJvzaA

They built flying crafts.

Namaste

Die Schwarze Sonne and the Vril Geselleshaft were not ''new age'' but they were what we would probably call ''paganistic'' or something close to that.
I would like to make a suggestion to you guys, if you wish to get into this, start a thread.
That second video is very good.
However, the farewell note that Maria left actually said ''If you wish to know where we went, look for us at Aldeberan.

Maria, Takk, I appreciate those videos.

[AlkaMyst]

humanalien

It's obvious that i ruffled a few feathers in here but please
believe me that this wasn't my intent. I'm not here acting
as a forum disruptor as some of you may think. Just because
i say something you don't like, are you always going to put
that label on me?

I do see some of your points of view though and i will admit
that i made a couple of statements that i should have never
made and i do deeply apologize for it. I didn't mean to hurt
anyone's feelings here so please forgive me.

I'm fighting a personal battle inside me right now and it's
tearing me apart. I was brought up to believe in God and i
even read the bible, twice. In my later teen years and on
up to present, i've been reading alot about ufo's and aliens
and i was willing to accept the fact that maybe God created
more than just humans in this universe. After all, we can
possibly know every thing God has ever done, just like you
all can't possibly know everything that your parents have
ever done in their lifetime. There-fore i accepted aliens as
one of Gods many creations.

As i studied more and more about them, i started hearing the
stories about many different alien races making a claim that
they are the ones that created human life. At this point, the
battle for my soul began, although i didn't know it yet.

After a little battle with-in, i was finally willing to give it a second
thought and start thinking that maybe we are in a sense, all alien
to this planet. Maybe we all, do have some sort of special abilities
that were put into our dna by the aliens and now they are here trying
to get us to unleash these hidden talents.

As i did further study of aliens, i began finding stories about our creation
that i was just getting to be to much to believe. For instance:

One story i read a few years back, was saying that and alien race, "can't
remember the species right now", were saying that all human life came
from a machine that they built. They just program the machine to any type
of human they wanted and started it up and out the back end, a human would
pop out. That has got to be one of the most ridiculous stories i have ever read.

Anyway, to make a long story short, i've ran across a lot of stories that just totally
make no sense at all and are a total insult to everyones intelligence.

After reading all these stories and the ones that are currently coming out, my
God complex starts coming out and fighting with me and every fiber of my being
is saying that God is the way to go. It's the only thing that make sense to me.

Now that i have shown you a little portion of myself to you, maybe now, you
can understand where i am coming from and also understand that i am not
here as a forum disruptor. I'm just trying to find out why some of you believe
the way you do sense God makes so much more sense to me.

Before i forget, someone here wanted to know why my name is humanalien.

As a teenager, i used to live by a set of railroad tracks. I used to walk these
tracks a lot and just think to myself about many things. I had enough friends
as a teen but i always felt that i never belonged with them or fit in. I used to
walk those tracks and think to myself that i don't belong here "referring to planet
earth". Although i had friends, i just didn't fit in with the crowd. I knew that i
didn't belong with them.

I've had this female friend of mine that i've known almost, all of my life. We
grew up together. I know here family very well and most of her friends and we
all get along just fine. My friend use to have me over to her house all the time
for cook-outs with her and her family. Probably starting around ten years ago,
that feeling of not belonging began hitting me real hard. My last cook-out with
her was about five years ago and it was a bad experience. It was such a very hot
day that the picnic tables were placed inside of her large garage. For me though,
that feeling of not belonging was so strong that i choose to sit outside, up against
the garage wall where the sun was beating down real hard. One woman there must
have realized that something was wrong with me and came out to try and talk with
me but that didn't help at all. A few minutes later, i left. I haven't been back since.

Still believing in aliens and seeing that my outward appearance is human and the
fact that i believe that i am not from this planet, originally, i put the names human
and alien together to sum up what i thought i really was or am. Still deciding on that
one. But anyway, that name stuck with me.

If you don't understand where i'm coming from yet, let me know.

Thank you so much for opening your heart and true feelings to us......this was need to fully understand your point of view and how exactly you feel about the subject matter!

I can FULLY understand where you are coming from because most of my life I felt the same way....alienated and a great sense that I didn't belong here on this planet. All that changed for me once I started gaining deeper knowledge towards certain things and I have to say that Bill & Kerry had a lot to do with my awakening and for that I am forever grateful and indebted to them.

We are all here to learn and support each other, that's why Avalon is such a great community and far beyond any other on the internet. Don't feel that we are trying to gang up on you, we are just trying to help and it may seem that's not the case but remember that everyone is different and not all will share your point of view....but constructive criticism is the best way to learn. Please KNOW that you are loved here and that all of your input in very much valued, and I only speak for myself when I say that I am very pleased to have you here as a member, if there's anything I can do for you or anyway in which I can help you, don't hesitate to ask.

I hope you received my PM and that you enjoy the FTP as well as share any information that you may want with your fellow members. It is so difficult to discuss spiritual and religious matters with others as everyone has their own views on things and it doesn't mean anyone is wrong as we are all working towards the same goal. I for one can tell you that I don't like getting too involved in the subject because of that same reason.

From a fellow human to another......I respect you, value and enjoy you point of view. This is what makes us such beautiful beings, our uniqueness and our differences....if we were all the same, then what fun would that be? :)

I have uploaded the documentary I mentioned to you before about contantine and would like to share it with you and everyone else now....please have an open mind when you watch it and research that which you find hard to believe, as I was skeptical when I watched it, but after careful research you will find out that all that is said there is true.

Here's the link, watch at your own leisure and enjoy!

http://theavalonfiles.com/secret/secure/Constantines_Sword/index.html (http://theavalonfiles.com/stream/Constantines_Sword/index.html)

PS
I am sending a friend request, it's ok if you decline.....I understand! :)

Respect, Love, Peace and Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Lord Sidious wrote

Yes, I am sure.
You quote to me from outsiders.
I have read from insiders.
He wasn't interested in any of the abrahamic stuff, other than how islam was useful in the warrior paradigm that is part of it.

I would be very interested to hear about this.
Could you elaborate.

Cheers
Hurritt

[manny]

One thing i forgot to clarify is that although i do believe
in God, religion is another matter and maybe we shouldn't
clump the two together.

The bible, as with many other religious text, have been fooled
with. I feel that a lot of it was changed to suit the needs of the
religious leaders, so i guess we should just use good judgment
when trying to discern the text. This is the trouble i have right
now.

I try to find passages that will benefit mankind and not the ones
that benefit one man or one religion.
the faith is deep within us.
although i battle each day lookinking for answers.
each of us has the perception to answer our own inner questions.
does this make sense

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sidious wrote

Yes, I am sure.
You quote to me from outsiders.
I have read from insiders.
He wasn't interested in any of the abrahamic stuff, other than how islam was useful in the warrior paradigm that is part of it.

I would be very interested to hear about this.
Could you elaborate.

Cheers
Hurritt

I could, but not in someone elses thread.
Start a thread and we can throw things around.

[Chuck]

My biggest problem is, "and this is the delusional part", are aliens really here to help us
or are they really satans little helpers and they are here to keep us in the dark about
God or to turn and twist his words?


Yes, Thank you humanalien.

My hunch and only my opinion is that I don't have to worry about the aliens. It is the humans that are "satans" little helpers. That is, our lust for recognition, influence, power gets used to perpetuate lies and illusions propogated for millenia. I studied Hebrew and Greek so I can read the original biblical texts, yet still without a thorough understanding of the culture that inspired them I was still only guessing what it is the authors originally meant. In the end, it is all about belief systems. So we are always led to that which is within.

Really, what is NOT of God? 'satan' , 'aliens' , dubbya bush heheheh illuminati... all expressions of the infinite unknown. We all get there, let's enjoy each other's diversity my fellow pilgrim.

I want to thank you for being the catalyst for great discussion on this thread.

[AlkaMyst]

I would be very interested to hear about this.
Could you elaborate.

Cheers
Hurritt

Yes Lord, please do.......SEE, I told you guys that this could become a great thread.

I'm loving everyone's input on this.

Thank you Everyone.....:thank_you2:

******UPDATE********
OK HURRITT......would you start the thread and invite us over?.....:)

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[Swanette]

I think you are all missing the bigger picture here. Hitler was a pawn. There were several million humans killed because of him. It was just a routine de-population. He was not the one in control.







Some questions to keep in mind...

- Why was Hitler into "New Age"?
...

Where did you get this idea from?

Read "Hitler and the New Age" by Bob Rosio if you can find it...

Look into the connections between Dietrich Eckart and Hilter. Those are Eckart's words: "I shall have influenced history more than any other German. Follow Hitler! I have initiated him into the secret doctrine, opened his centers to vision and given him the means to communicate with the powers"...

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/luciferic_initiation.htm

With all due respect to you, that is the biggest load of hogwash I have seen for a while.
Yes, Hitler was in the Thule Society and yes, Eckart was a huge influence over him.
The type of beliefs that they had were not referenced in the abrahamic systems.
They had no belief in that at all.

[Houman]

You quote to me from outsiders.
I have read from insiders.
He wasn't interested in any of the abrahamic stuff, other than how islam was useful in the warrior paradigm that is part of it.


I thought that Hitler, Eckart and Himmler were insiders...




He wasn't interested in any of the abrahamic stuff, other than how islam was useful in the warrior paradigm that is part of it.


It depends on what you mean by "interested", they were indeed not interested in the "belief system" but they were very much interested in the "ancient technology" side of it...
why were the nazis exploring Montsegur and Cathars region? What did they find there?

A little known fact is the connection between Aryan and Iran (which literally means "land of the Aryans")
In the Iranian mythology "civilization" was not a slow progress but humankind has literally been schooled into that by the kings of old

And what is Ahura-Mazda (God in Ancient Iran)
http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/westasia/religion/pictures/ahuramazda.jpg
doing in a winged (flying) disk with legs (landing gears)?

[Maria Stade]

Lord Sidious wrote


Die Schwarze Sonne and the Vril Society were not ''new age'' but they were what we would probably call ''paganistic'' or something close to that.
I would like to make a suggestion to you guys, if you wish to get into this, start a thread.
That second video is very good.
However, the farewell note that Maria left actually said ''If you wish to know where we went, look for us at Aldeberan.

Maria, Takk, I appreciate those videos.

Some belive that ufos is newage LOL and if you are spiritual and belive in ufos then you are a newage person.

Your wecome and yes If someone starts a thread I can fill in with some understanding.
Im not that intressted actualy. Just happen to know some of it.
End of this diskussion here in this thread by me anyway.

Namaste

[Möbius]

Obviously, their isn't one among you that believe in God,
the one and only creator.

For some of you:
You all would rather believe that aliens, of many different
species created you and they have endowed you with the
power to go on to the next level of consciousness, with
their help.

For the charles believers:
You would rather believe that charles has a machine that
can do many miraculous things to the human mind.

You would rather believe that charles has a 5000 year old
human master than believe in God.

When is the last time you saw a 5000 year old human?
I for one never have.

These stories are by far, are more ridiculous than
believing in God.

It doesn't bother me that you don't believe in God.
To each his/her own as the saying goes but to believe
the stuff that charles has been saying is very childish.

You have a brain. Please use it......

Who created God??

[AlkaMyst]

I think you are all missing the bigger picture here. Hitler was a pawn. There were several million humans killed because of him. It was just a routine de-population. He was not the one in control.

I completely see you point of view.....Please take a look at the documentary I posted above, as it discusses the Hitler subject also. :)

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[manny]

when i was about ten a older friend ,of about 14 joined the catholic church.
she said to me "manny why don,t you join the catholic church ,so that you will be closer to god".
well i was a introvert and did not speak my mind.
what i was actually thinking was ...why do i have to join a church to receive the love of god.
god does not discriminate.
i did not say anything at that time ,but it stayed with me all these years.

[Lord Sidious]

I think you are all missing the bigger picture here. Hitler was a pawn. There were several million humans killed because of him. It was just a routine de-population. He was not the one in control.







Some questions to keep in mind...

- Why was Hitler into "New Age"?
...

Where did you get this idea from?

Read "Hitler and the New Age" by Bob Rosio if you can find it...

Look into the connections between Dietrich Eckart and Hilter. Those are Eckart's words: "I shall have influenced history more than any other German. Follow Hitler! I have initiated him into the secret doctrine, opened his centers to vision and given him the means to communicate with the powers"...

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/luciferic_initiation.htm

With all due respect to you, that is the biggest load of hogwash I have seen for a while.
Yes, Hitler was in the Thule Society and yes, Eckart was a huge influence over him.
The type of beliefs that they had were not referenced in the abrahamic systems.
They had no belief in that at all.

I would say that he was in control of both the NSDAP and the Reich.
There were many others that were involved, both officially and unofficially.




I thought that Hitler, Eckart and Himmler were insiders...

They were and that is who I am talking of, not people talking of them.


It depends on what you mean by "interested", they were indeed not interested in the "belief system" but they were very much interested in the "ancient technology" side of it...

Very much so and they were not disappointed with things they found.


why were the nazis exploring Montsegur and Cathars region? What did they find there?

And Babylon. And Tibet. And Egypt.


A little known fact is the connection between Aryan and Iran (which literally means "land of the Aryans")
In the Iranian mythology "civilization" was not a slow progress but humankind has literally been schooled into that by the kings of old

The meaning of Aryan is ''pure'' and we are not the Aryans, our progenitors were the Aryans, we have that in us.


And what is Ahura-Mazda (God in Ancient Iran)
http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/westasia/religion/pictures/ahuramazda.jpg
doing in a winged (flying) disk with legs (landing gears)?

He is obviously flying across country to have a look at the latest temples.

[Gone002]

like all things there are 100 views and thoughts on it. religion is the prime example of this.

[AlkaMyst]

Here's what really made me think things over and it happened when I was 16......my whole family is catholic, but I don't judge them.

When I was in Catholic Sunday school, getting prepared for baptism and first communion I asked the priest "Can you please explain to me how is it that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit can all be the same thing?" and his response to me was "It just is"....well to say the least, that didn't satisfy me one bit and it was then when I started my quest for higher knowledge as I knew right then and there that something was being hidden from humanity and I wanted to find out the "What and Why?"....I now know better! :)

Just my 2 cents!

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[Houman]

And Babylon. And Tibet. And Egypt.


Yes



The meaning of Aryan is ''pure'' and we are not the Aryans, our progenitors were the Aryans, we have that in us.


The original meaning appears to be uncertain, the current meaning in those regions is "noble" or "spiritual"...

The inscription at Naqsh-e- Rostam reads

1. (1-8.) A great god is Ahuramazda, who created this earth, who created yonder sky, who created man, who created happiness for man, who made Darius king, one king of many, one lord of many.

2. (8-15.) I am Darius the Great King, King of Kings, King of countries containing all kinds of men, King in this great earth far and wide, son of Hystaspes, an Achaemenian, a Persian, son of a Persian, an Aryan, having Aryan lineage.
http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Naqsh_e_Rostam/naqsh-e_rostam.gif




And what is Ahura-Mazda (God in Ancient Iran)
http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/westasia/religion/pictures/ahuramazda.jpg
doing in a winged (flying) disk with legs (landing gears)?

He is obviously flying across country to have a look at the latest temples.

lol :)

[manny]

The type of beliefs that they had were not referenced in the abrahamic systems.
They had no belief in that at all.

Are you sure about that?

" I have seen the Antichrist. He is cruel and intrepid. He frightened me." Hitler (who or what was he talking about?)

look at

"The Twisted Cross: The Occultic Religion of Hitler and the New Age Nazism of the Third Reich" by
Joseph J. Carr

`The Occult and the Third Reich" by Jean-Michel Angebert

Yes, I am sure.
You quote to me from outsiders.
I have read from insiders.
He wasn't interested in any of the abrahamic stuff, other than how islam was useful in the warrior paradigm that is part of it.



Originally Posted by Houman
Some questions to keep in mind...

- Why was Hitler into "New Age"?
...

Virl and black sun is key words to find answer !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFzOsCTtquQ&feature=related

Yes Hitler used spiritual people !



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvcEnOJvzaA

They built flying crafts.

Namaste

Die Schwarze Sonne and the Vril Geselleshaft were not ''new age'' but they were what we would probably call ''paganistic'' or something close to that.
I would like to make a suggestion to you guys, if you wish to get into this, start a thread.
That second video is very good.
However, the farewell note that Maria left actually said ''If you wish to know where we went, look for us at Aldeberan.

Maria, Takk, I appreciate those videos.
start the thread please ,it seems very interesting.
if you do start it can you please start from the beginning for us newbies.
i gotta feeling you know what you are talking about on this one;)

[Lord Sidious]

The type of beliefs that they had were not referenced in the abrahamic systems.
They had no belief in that at all.

Are you sure about that?

" I have seen the Antichrist. He is cruel and intrepid. He frightened me." Hitler (who or what was he talking about?)

look at

"The Twisted Cross: The Occultic Religion of Hitler and the New Age Nazism of the Third Reich" by
Joseph J. Carr

`The Occult and the Third Reich" by Jean-Michel Angebert

Yes, I am sure.
You quote to me from outsiders.
I have read from insiders.
He wasn't interested in any of the abrahamic stuff, other than how islam was useful in the warrior paradigm that is part of it.



Originally Posted by Houman
Some questions to keep in mind...

- Why was Hitler into "New Age"?
...

Virl and black sun is key words to find answer !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFzOsCTtquQ&feature=related

Yes Hitler used spiritual people !



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvcEnOJvzaA

They built flying crafts.

Namaste

Die Schwarze Sonne and the Vril Geselleshaft were not ''new age'' but they were what we would probably call ''paganistic'' or something close to that.
I would like to make a suggestion to you guys, if you wish to get into this, start a thread.
That second video is very good.
However, the farewell note that Maria left actually said ''If you wish to know where we went, look for us at Aldeberan.

Maria, Takk, I appreciate those videos.
start the thread please ,it seems very interesting.
if you do start it can you please start from the beginning for us newbies.
i gotta feeling you know what you are talking about on this one;)

I would prefer one of you guys start it and we can deal with topics that you want to know about.
I don't know what you want to know about, I am good, but not that good.
Yet.

[Gone002]

One think we can all drawn on is that, wether your a king or slave you have a power greater than any title given to you by man.

[manny]

The type of beliefs that they had were not referenced in the abrahamic systems.
They had no belief in that at all.

Are you sure about that?

" I have seen the Antichrist. He is cruel and intrepid. He frightened me." Hitler (who or what was he talking about?)

look at

"The Twisted Cross: The Occultic Religion of Hitler and the New Age Nazism of the Third Reich" by
Joseph J. Carr

`The Occult and the Third Reich" by Jean-Michel Angebert

Yes, I am sure.
You quote to me from outsiders.
I have read from insiders.
He wasn't interested in any of the abrahamic stuff, other than how islam was useful in the warrior paradigm that is part of it.



Originally Posted by Houman
Some questions to keep in mind...

- Why was Hitler into "New Age"?
...

Virl and black sun is key words to find answer !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFzOsCTtquQ&feature=related

Yes Hitler used spiritual people !



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvcEnOJvzaA

They built flying crafts.

Namaste

Die Schwarze Sonne and the Vril Geselleshaft were not ''new age'' but they were what we would probably call ''paganistic'' or something close to that.
I would like to make a suggestion to you guys, if you wish to get into this, start a thread.
That second video is very good.
However, the farewell note that Maria left actually said ''If you wish to know where we went, look for us at Aldeberan.

Maria, Takk, I appreciate those videos.
start the thread please ,it seems very interesting.
if you do start it can you please start from the beginning for us newbies.
i gotta feeling you know what you are talking about on this one;)

I would prefer one of you guys start it and we can deal with topics that you want to know about.
I don't know what you want to know about, I am good, but not that good.
Yet.
hitler knew something.about the occult and spacetravel or had intervention with et.could you start it please

[InCiDeR]

:focus:


Who created God??

What if it has no beginning and no end. Do God still need a creator then? :drum:

[Shezbeth]

are aliens really here to help us or are they really satans little helpers and they are here to keep us in the dark about
God or to turn and twist his words?

Just my opinion, but I feel the answer is 'Both'.

First, I must clarify that I don't perceive of God as an entity. Actually, that's not entirely accurate. I perceive God as an entity (non-masculine) which we exist inside in the same sense that our atoms, and on another level our cells, reside within our bodies. Having said that (I'll continue to refer to the body/cell metaphor).

I find that like cells in the body, there are entities which promote health and which are anatagonist toward health. One must use one's own resources (vigilance), as well as one's innate abilities (God-given awareness) to discern between entities which promote health or which predate upon health.

I have also learned through interactions with,... I won't call them aliens but they DEFINITELY weren't human, that upon engaging a sufficient amount of vigilance and personal power those entities will interact with the individual on a different level and course. Those entities which WILL predate against the weak minded, show great respect to one of sufficient impeccability and discernment. This does not mean they can be trusted, and indeed it is that distrust which largely generates the respect!

I find I should clarify that just as we are not the end-all of everything with respect to our cells, neither is the God-body I find we exist within to be the end-all. The God which I refer to is more accurately described as the boundry of my own understanding. God, IMO, is something which is unknowable.

[KosmicKat]

It's obvious that i ruffled a few feathers in here but please
believe me that this wasn't my intent. I'm not here acting
as a forum disruptor as some of you may think.

Having our feathers ruffled is good - any truth that can't stand up to close scrutiny isn't worth holding on to.


After reading all these stories and the ones that are currently coming out, my
God complex starts coming out and fighting with me and every fiber of my being
is saying that God is the way to go. It's the only thing that make sense to me.

I think perhaps I have experienced something similar; I reached a point at which it became clear that all the side-issues - secret governments, underground bases, aliens, recovered technology, were all distractions. That may change at some point, but for now there are more important issues for some of us.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Be kind to Humanalien.


Yes, you can tell I consider myself a Christian, a spiritual Christian not quite in sync with the earthly organized institution organized by men. It hurts me and others when the common assumption is that my or your brand of faith led to murder, wars and miss deeds. But, it did not from its own precepts and Truths. Evil self serving men did those deeds and atrocities under its name. Spiritual Muslims probably feel the same way. So, let's be kind to each other’s point of reference and pray that we all find God and truly develop a relationship of responsible love with Him/Her/IT. “You’ll know them by the fruits of their labor.”

Peace & Love,
-R-

Thank-you Revere

In my own way, that is exactly what i was trying to do. I do understand
now that i did a very poor job of getting my point across and i do apologize.

actually you did the perfect thing by questioning the way you did...

I've seen many comments on other forums about us that are completely untrue so for you to come out to open this discussion it answers many coming in from those boards...

Avalon is a place of healing where all beliefs come together in harmony.

If outsiders don't understand, that's ok, we aren't ever going to try to convert anyone to any belief...

but when one of us is hurting enough to ask the hard questions like you did, it draws out the best of everyone who steps forward to help you...

Avalon will never be accused of not having a heart... ;)

[manny]

would anyone mind if we started a thread.
WHAT QUESTIONS YOU WOULD ASK GOD.
one question at a time.
i bet we can each answer them between us.

[king anthony]

Is not diversity of thought based on 'faith', 'opinion' or 'belief ', and not fact, truth or enlightenment!? For as many thoughts as there are, without foundation, there will surely be as many diverse 'faiths', 'opinions' and beliefs'. Is not to accept diversity simply to avoid conflict!? What is gained by appeasing thy fellow human being and what is the cost of doing so!?

[AlkaMyst]

would anyone mind if we started a thread.
.
one question at a time.
i bet we can each answer them between us.

How about "How do you perceive the concept of GOD"....I think that the question above may cause a lot of confusion!, just my thoughts...but you may call it as you may please....I'll Be There!

With Respect....Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[Lord Sidious]

The type of beliefs that they had were not referenced in the abrahamic systems.
They had no belief in that at all.

Are you sure about that?

" I have seen the Antichrist. He is cruel and intrepid. He frightened me." Hitler (who or what was he talking about?)

look at

"The Twisted Cross: The Occultic Religion of Hitler and the New Age Nazism of the Third Reich" by
Joseph J. Carr

`The Occult and the Third Reich" by Jean-Michel Angebert

Yes, I am sure.
You quote to me from outsiders.
I have read from insiders.
He wasn't interested in any of the abrahamic stuff, other than how islam was useful in the warrior paradigm that is part of it.



Originally Posted by Houman
Some questions to keep in mind...

- Why was Hitler into "New Age"?
...

Virl and black sun is key words to find answer !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFzOsCTtquQ&feature=related

Yes Hitler used spiritual people !



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvcEnOJvzaA

They built flying crafts.

Namaste

Die Schwarze Sonne and the Vril Geselleshaft were not ''new age'' but they were what we would probably call ''paganistic'' or something close to that.
I would like to make a suggestion to you guys, if you wish to get into this, start a thread.
That second video is very good.
However, the farewell note that Maria left actually said ''If you wish to know where we went, look for us at Aldeberan.

Maria, Takk, I appreciate those videos.
start the thread please ,it seems very interesting.
if you do start it can you please start from the beginning for us newbies.
i gotta feeling you know what you are talking about on this one;)

I would prefer one of you guys start it and we can deal with topics that you want to know about.
I don't know what you want to know about, I am good, but not that good.
Yet.
hitler knew something.about the occult and spacetravel or had intervention with et.could you start it please

Ok stubborn threadcreationrefuseniks, here it is.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15164-Uncle-Sidious-Vril-and-Schwarze-Sonne-thread.

[KosmicKat]

would anyone mind if we started a thread.
WHAT QUESTIONS YOU WOULD ASK GOD.
one question at a time.
i bet we can each answer them between us.

Agreed. It might be very enlightening.

Imagine standing in the presence of the divine, at which point there are no questions, because everything is known.

[humanalien]

Obviously, their isn't one among you that believe in God,
the one and only creator.

For some of you:
You all would rather believe that aliens, of many different
species created you and they have endowed you with the
power to go on to the next level of consciousness, with
their help.

For the charles believers:
You would rather believe that charles has a machine that
can do many miraculous things to the human mind.

You would rather believe that charles has a 5000 year old
human master than believe in God.

When is the last time you saw a 5000 year old human?
I for one never have.

These stories are by far, are more ridiculous than
believing in God.

It doesn't bother me that you don't believe in God.
To each his/her own as the saying goes but to believe
the stuff that charles has been saying is very childish.

You have a brain. Please use it......

Who created God??

Does anyone know the answer to that one?

[Lord Sidious]

Obviously, their isn't one among you that believe in God,
the one and only creator.

For some of you:
You all would rather believe that aliens, of many different
species created you and they have endowed you with the
power to go on to the next level of consciousness, with
their help.

For the charles believers:
You would rather believe that charles has a machine that
can do many miraculous things to the human mind.

You would rather believe that charles has a 5000 year old
human master than believe in God.

When is the last time you saw a 5000 year old human?
I for one never have.

These stories are by far, are more ridiculous than
believing in God.

It doesn't bother me that you don't believe in God.
To each his/her own as the saying goes but to believe
the stuff that charles has been saying is very childish.

You have a brain. Please use it......

Who created God??

Does anyone know the answer to that one?

Man created the concept of god.
What is the creator/s in reality?
No one knows, they may think they do, but they do not.
Not yet.
When we change our form from spirit in flesh to pure spirit, then we will know.

[InCiDeR]

Who created God??

Does anyone know the answer to that one?


Maybe this...


:focus:


Who created God??

What if it has no beginning and no end. Do God still need a creator then? :drum:

[Ahkenaten]

oh brother

[humanalien]

when i was about ten a older friend ,of about 14 joined the catholic church.
she said to me "manny why don,t you join the catholic church ,so that you will be closer to god".
well i was a introvert and did not speak my mind.
what i was actually thinking was ...why do i have to join a church to receive the love of god.
god does not discriminate.
i did not say anything at that time ,but it stayed with me all these years.

And that is where religious text starts to get a little foggy.

Jesus says that where 2 or more gather in my name, there
i will be also. <---- Hope i got that right.

It doesn't say anything about having to be inside of any church
or structure in order to be with God.

Of course, it doesn't hurt to have a church to go to
when the weather goes bad.

Also since i'm here, i'd like to talk about the tithe that we are
suppose to give to the church, supposedly.

Many think that by giving a tithe = 10 percent, it is suppose to
mean giving the church money but this isn't true.

Tithe means to bring a tenth of the food you have to the church
or gathering. If your tithe is to large to bring with you because of
the distance to your church or gathering, you are to sell your tithe
for money and when you are close to church or gathering, you are to
buy food and bring it to the church or gathering.

Jesus says in a parable, look at the birds and see that they do
not store their food, yet are they not fed every day? <-- not an exact quote

I believe that this is what the tithe is for. After church, everyone gathers
together for a great meal and have fellowship with one another.

The tithe was not meant to be stored up and saved but eaten right after
church service was over.

Again though, i don't really think that by giving money to your church
to keep it running is a terrible thing to do.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Here's what really made me think things over and it happened when I was 16......my whole family is catholic, but I don't judge them.

When I was in Catholic Sunday school, getting prepared for baptism and first communion I asked the priest "Can you please explain to me how is it that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit can all be the same thing?" and his response to me was "It just is"....well to say the least, that didn't satisfy me one bit and it was then when I started my quest for higher knowledge as I knew right then and there that something was being hidden from humanity and I wanted to find out the "What and Why?"....I now know better! :)

Just my 2 cents!

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

actually, Jesus and the Holy Spirit call God, God if that helps...

[Chuck]

humanalien, give in a light heart, to what brings you joy. No rules... only yours.

[humanalien]

Here's what really made me think things over and it happened when I was 16......my whole family is catholic, but I don't judge them.

When I was in Catholic Sunday school, getting prepared for baptism and first communion I asked the priest "Can you please explain to me how is it that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit can all be the same thing?" and his response to me was "It just is"....well to say the least, that didn't satisfy me one bit and it was then when I started my quest for higher knowledge as I knew right then and there that something was being hidden from humanity and I wanted to find out the "What and Why?"....I now know better! :)

Just my 2 cents!

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

The father is God
The son "Jesus" was/is God born into flesh.

Maybe wiki can answer your question about the holy spirit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Spirit

I read it and i'm still confused. lol

In the end though, all 3 are one and the same.

[humanalien]

Be kind to Humanalien.


Yes, you can tell I consider myself a Christian, a spiritual Christian not quite in sync with the earthly organized institution organized by men. It hurts me and others when the common assumption is that my or your brand of faith led to murder, wars and miss deeds. But, it did not from its own precepts and Truths. Evil self serving men did those deeds and atrocities under its name. Spiritual Muslims probably feel the same way. So, let's be kind to each other’s point of reference and pray that we all find God and truly develop a relationship of responsible love with Him/Her/IT. “You’ll know them by the fruits of their labor.”

Peace & Love,
-R-

Thank-you Revere

In my own way, that is exactly what i was trying to do. I do understand
now that i did a very poor job of getting my point across and i do apologize.

actually you did the perfect thing by questioning the way you did...

I've seen many comments on other forums about us that are completely untrue so for you to come out to open this discussion it answers many coming in from those boards...

Avalon is a place of healing where all beliefs come together in harmony.

If outsiders don't understand, that's ok, we aren't ever going to try to convert anyone to any belief...

but when one of us is hurting enough to ask the hard questions like you did, it draws out the best of everyone who steps forward to help you...

Avalon will never be accused of not having a heart... ;)

Thank-you so very much. That means a lot to me.....

[humanalien]

humanalien, give in a light heart, to what brings you joy. No rules... only yours.

Are you calling me a trouble maker?

[jjl]

It's obvious that i ruffled a few feathers in here but please
believe me that this wasn't my intent. I'm not here acting
as a forum disruptor as some of you may think. Just because
i say something you don't like, are you always going to put
that label on me?

I do see some of your points of view though and i will admit
that i made a couple of statements that i should have never
made and i do deeply apologize for it. I didn't mean to hurt
anyone's feelings here so please forgive me.

I'm fighting a personal battle inside me right now and it's
tearing me apart. I was brought up to believe in God and i
even read the bible, twice. In my later teen years and on
up to present, i've been reading alot about ufo's and aliens
and i was willing to accept the fact that maybe God created
more than just humans in this universe. After all, we can
possibly know every thing God has ever done, just like you
all can't possibly know everything that your parents have
ever done in their lifetime. There-fore i accepted aliens as
one of Gods many creations.

As i studied more and more about them, i started hearing the
stories about many different alien races making a claim that
they are the ones that created human life. At this point, the
battle for my soul began, although i didn't know it yet.

After a little battle with-in, i was finally willing to give it a second
thought and start thinking that maybe we are in a sense, all alien
to this planet. Maybe we all, do have some sort of special abilities
that were put into our dna by the aliens and now they are here trying
to get us to unleash these hidden talents.

As i did further study of aliens, i began finding stories about our creation
that i was just getting to be to much to believe. For instance:

One story i read a few years back, was saying that and alien race, "can't
remember the species right now", were saying that all human life came
from a machine that they built. They just program the machine to any type
of human they wanted and started it up and out the back end, a human would
pop out. That has got to be one of the most ridiculous stories i have ever read.

Anyway, to make a long story short, i've ran across a lot of stories that just totally
make no sense at all and are a total insult to everyones intelligence.

After reading all these stories and the ones that are currently coming out, my
God complex starts coming out and fighting with me and every fiber of my being
is saying that God is the way to go. It's the only thing that make sense to me.

Now that i have shown you a little portion of myself to you, maybe now, you
can understand where i am coming from and also understand that i am not
here as a forum disruptor. I'm just trying to find out why some of you believe
the way you do sense God makes so much more sense to me.

Before i forget, someone here wanted to know why my name is humanalien.

As a teenager, i used to live by a set of railroad tracks. I used to walk these
tracks a lot and just think to myself about many things. I had enough friends
as a teen but i always felt that i never belonged with them or fit in. I used to
walk those tracks and think to myself that i don't belong here "referring to planet
earth". Although i had friends, i just didn't fit in with the crowd. I knew that i
didn't belong with them.

I've had this female friend of mine that i've known almost, all of my life. We
grew up together. I know here family very well and most of her friends and we
all get along just fine. My friend use to have me over to her house all the time
for cook-outs with her and her family. Probably starting around ten years ago,
that feeling of not belonging began hitting me real hard. My last cook-out with
her was about five years ago and it was a bad experience. It was such a very hot
day that the picnic tables were placed inside of her large garage. For me though,
that feeling of not belonging was so strong that i choose to sit outside, up against
the garage wall where the sun was beating down real hard. One woman there must
have realized that something was wrong with me and came out to try and talk with
me but that didn't help at all. A few minutes later, i left. I haven't been back since.

Still believing in aliens and seeing that my outward appearance is human and the
fact that i believe that i am not from this planet, originally, i put the names human
and alien together to sum up what i thought i really was or am. Still deciding on that
one. But anyway, that name stuck with me.

If you don't understand where i'm coming from yet, let me know.

Apology accepted. A point I would like to make, it sounds to me that you have enough faith that your soul will never be in peril.

[truthseekerdan]

What if we're not only humans, but also multidimensional light beings?

What if because we're eternal beings decided to entertain, and created some holographic games -- just because we can?

What if one of the many interactive 3D games we call life on Earth is actually a 'fun place' to experience duality and learn?

What if each one of us chooses what role to play in advance according to their individual progress achieved (points)?

What if some forgot who they are by losing their 'higher self' connection, and by identifying themselves with physical (material world/ego), -- got stuck in the game (karma).

What if everything exists as a dream in 'the mind' of the Creator (Source/Great Consciousness), because of the unconditional love desire to experience everything thru us?

This is just some 'food for thought'. ;)

Please add your own 'what ifs'... :)

[humanalien]

What if we're not only humans, but also multidimensional light beings?

What if because we're eternal beings decided to entertain, and created some holographic games -- just because we can?

What if one of the many interactive 3D games we call life on Earth is actually a 'fun place' to experience duality and learn?

What if each one of us chooses what role to play in advance according to their individual progress achieved (points)?

What if some forgot who they are by losing their 'higher self' connection, and by identifying themselves with physical (material world/ego), -- got stuck in the game (karma).

What if everything exists as a dream in 'the mind' of the Creator (Source/Great Consciousness), because of the unconditional love desire to experience everything thru us?

This is just some 'food for thought'. ;)

Please add your own 'what ifs'... :)

Those are some pretty big if's but i know where you are coming from.
I to read somewhere that everything in the universe, including all life
forms are nothing more than protons of light and that we as individuals
create our own life here on earth. A lot of it does sound pretty interesting.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



It's obvious that i ruffled a few feathers in here but please
believe me that this wasn't my intent. I'm not here acting
as a forum disruptor as some of you may think. Just because
i say something you don't like, are you always going to put
that label on me?

I do see some of your points of view though and i will admit
that i made a couple of statements that i should have never
made and i do deeply apologize for it. I didn't mean to hurt
anyone's feelings here so please forgive me.

I'm fighting a personal battle inside me right now and it's
tearing me apart. I was brought up to believe in God and i
even read the bible, twice. In my later teen years and on
up to present, i've been reading alot about ufo's and aliens
and i was willing to accept the fact that maybe God created
more than just humans in this universe. After all, we can
possibly know every thing God has ever done, just like you
all can't possibly know everything that your parents have
ever done in their lifetime. There-fore i accepted aliens as
one of Gods many creations.

As i studied more and more about them, i started hearing the
stories about many different alien races making a claim that
they are the ones that created human life. At this point, the
battle for my soul began, although i didn't know it yet.

After a little battle with-in, i was finally willing to give it a second
thought and start thinking that maybe we are in a sense, all alien
to this planet. Maybe we all, do have some sort of special abilities
that were put into our dna by the aliens and now they are here trying
to get us to unleash these hidden talents.

As i did further study of aliens, i began finding stories about our creation
that i was just getting to be to much to believe. For instance:

One story i read a few years back, was saying that and alien race, "can't
remember the species right now", were saying that all human life came
from a machine that they built. They just program the machine to any type
of human they wanted and started it up and out the back end, a human would
pop out. That has got to be one of the most ridiculous stories i have ever read.

Anyway, to make a long story short, i've ran across a lot of stories that just totally
make no sense at all and are a total insult to everyones intelligence.

After reading all these stories and the ones that are currently coming out, my
God complex starts coming out and fighting with me and every fiber of my being
is saying that God is the way to go. It's the only thing that make sense to me.

Now that i have shown you a little portion of myself to you, maybe now, you
can understand where i am coming from and also understand that i am not
here as a forum disruptor. I'm just trying to find out why some of you believe
the way you do sense God makes so much more sense to me.

Before i forget, someone here wanted to know why my name is humanalien.

As a teenager, i used to live by a set of railroad tracks. I used to walk these
tracks a lot and just think to myself about many things. I had enough friends
as a teen but i always felt that i never belonged with them or fit in. I used to
walk those tracks and think to myself that i don't belong here "referring to planet
earth". Although i had friends, i just didn't fit in with the crowd. I knew that i
didn't belong with them.

I've had this female friend of mine that i've known almost, all of my life. We
grew up together. I know here family very well and most of her friends and we
all get along just fine. My friend use to have me over to her house all the time
for cook-outs with her and her family. Probably starting around ten years ago,
that feeling of not belonging began hitting me real hard. My last cook-out with
her was about five years ago and it was a bad experience. It was such a very hot
day that the picnic tables were placed inside of her large garage. For me though,
that feeling of not belonging was so strong that i choose to sit outside, up against
the garage wall where the sun was beating down real hard. One woman there must
have realized that something was wrong with me and came out to try and talk with
me but that didn't help at all. A few minutes later, i left. I haven't been back since.

Still believing in aliens and seeing that my outward appearance is human and the
fact that i believe that i am not from this planet, originally, i put the names human
and alien together to sum up what i thought i really was or am. Still deciding on that
one. But anyway, that name stuck with me.

If you don't understand where i'm coming from yet, let me know.

Apology accepted. A point I would like to make, it sounds to me that you have enough faith that your soul will never be in peril.

Thank-you and i hope your right about having enough faith.

[Chuck]

humanalien, give in a light heart, to what brings you joy. No rules... only yours.

Are you calling me a trouble maker?

lol! absolutely not... just in response to your tithing post. I think you were contemplating the virtues of giving to a church.

While I'm at it and in response to ...Father, Son, Holy Spirit...

In regards to the bible I will say this...

Research who Paul (Saul) of the new testament was. IMO, he was an idiot. He was a fanatical, ambitious, jealous fool. An outsider, but used by the insiders to twist meanings and to create religion.

:flypig:

[witchy1]

Why are the people at the top of the ladder warlocks and witches?

*cough* if you dont mind...........witches!!!! Perhaps its time I took a stand.

If I achieve nothing else on this forum let it be that I opened the eyes of all members on what can only be described as largest brainwashing and prejudice against women since the inception of the Church.

I state categorically that witches can only be bringers of the light, through understanding the love of God and using the mystical nature of the relationship with the almighty one creator to benefit all mankind.

There are NO satanic witches. If they follow the dark path they cannot be a witch - they are something else (that I do not have words for)

*****************
If I could humbly ask if you have a spare 10 minutes that you all take some time to read this excellent article to assist in understanding the power of the patriachal church and how they have deliberatly and successfully brought about the down fall of women since its inception.
http://atheism.about.com/od/christianityviolence/ig/Christian-Persecution-Witches/Witches-Satan-Court.htm


Starting as early as 906 the Canon Episocopi, a church law, declared that belief in the existence and operation of witchcraft was heresy.
Pope Gregory IX authorized the killing of witches in the 1200's but it didnt catch on
Pope Innocent VIII declared in 1484 that witches did exist and it was heresy to believe otherwise.

In part:

Women were regarded as impediments to true spirituality and union with God...The church had a long-standing prejudice against women and this was given vent when the doctrine of devil worship was emphasized as an enemy which the church had to confront and destroy. This animus hasn't entirely disappeared even today.

People typically fear that which they don't understand, so witches were doubly damned: they were feared because they were allegedly agents of Satan seeking to undermine Christian society and they were feared because no one really knew what witches did or how. In the place of real knowledge or information, Christian leaders made things up and created stories which were certain to cause people to hate and fear witches even more.

The persecution of witches reached its zenith at a time when Christianity's attitudes against sex had long since turned into full-blown misogyny. It is amazing how celibate men became obsessed with the sexuality of women. As it is stated in Malleus Maleficarum: "All witchcraft comes from carnal lust, which is in women insatiable." Another section describes how witches were known to ................ (addit by me - read the article)

Joan of Arc is one famous example of a woman who achieved a great deal but was then burned as a witch for her trouble. (later absolved)

On the trials:
Voluntary testimony from someone as young as two could be admitted despite it not being treated as valid in other cases. This was a sign of just how serious the threat of witches was perceived to be. Witches and witchcraft, both of which were in the service of Satan, threatened the very existence of Christian society, the Christian church, and Christians themselves

....The threats of witchcraft are magnified to such a degree that people no longer feel bound by traditional standards of justice or morality in order to confront their enemies. The consequences are almost always violence and suffering pursued in the name of good and God.
..................but witchcraft in particular was punished by death on the basis of Exodus 22:18: "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" and Leviticus 20:27: "A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death........

The church's creation of witchcraft and devil worship has exacted a heavy and bloody toll on humanity which still has not yet been fully paid.

....the witch trials have become a symbol of what can go wrong when mobs of ignorant people go crazy, especially when egged on by just as ignorant and/or power hungry leaders.

*****************

It is not your fault that you believe witches are demon worshiping, shapeshifting technicians, of black magic who can fly thru the air on a broom. That is what you are meant to believe according to the Church and society has perpetuated the myth instilled since childhood - note fairy stories of Hansel and Gretel, Snow White etc. There seems often to be a wicked witch somewhere.

Is it any wonder we still operate under the cloak of secrecy given the prejudices are still clearly alive and well.

Witchy

PS, I apologise that I am off topic, however the question was asked here. I have kept quiet, ignoring the odd post attesting to the perceived evils that we do and I forgive them their ignorance.

Pehaps we do need a thread to discuss the virtues of the witch and dispel these current beliefs.

Please remember that demonization of Witches is nothing more that brainwashing simply to prevent any matriacial society from ever forming

Please - no more persecution

Love and Light

[Swanette]

Thank you for the link to the documentary. I have just finished viewing it. It is very enlightening and frightening, too. I feel there still a 'divide and conquer' control on us humans here on earth by 'them'. I am hoping we will discover who 'them' is on this Avalon site.

Peace & respect,
Swanette



I think you are all missing the bigger picture here. Hitler was a pawn. There were several million humans killed because of him. It was just a routine de-population. He was not the one in control.

I completely see you point of view.....Please take a look at the documentary I posted above, as it discusses the Hitler subject also. :)

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[waterlily]

We are all Spiritual beings having a Physical experience

[gsb67]

God is God nuff said :)

[Lancelot]

Oh dear.
How ugly is the painted picture of fear.
Nothing like a bit of religious fundamentalism to divide the people :)

[Houman]

Why are the people at the top of the ladder warlocks and witches?
I state categorically that witches can only be bringers of the light, through understanding the love of God and using the mystical nature of the relationship with the almighty one creator to benefit all mankind.

There are NO satanic witches. If they follow the dark path they cannot be a witch - they are something else (that I do not have words for)



It is like saying that christians, jews, muslims or freemasons can only be good... I am talking about the psychopaths at the top of the ladder not the people at the bottom...





Why are the people at the top of the ladder warlocks and witches?
There are NO satanic witches. If they follow the dark path they cannot be a witch - they are something else (that I do not have words for)



Anton Lavey called them Satanic Witches http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Witch



If I could humbly ask if you have a spare 10 minutes that you all take some time to read this excellent article to assist in understanding the power of the patriachal church and how they have deliberatly and successfully brought about the down fall of women since its inception.
http://atheism.about.com/od/christianityviolence/ig/Christian-Persecution-Witches/Witches-Satan-Court.htm



This is not about organized religion or men vs women






It is not your fault that you believe witches are demon worshiping,


This is not a belief... and I am not talking about "all" those who call themselves witches...

beyond denominations it is about the manipulation, control, debasement, perversion of humans by on this plane by entities who wish to create a negative polarity universe by going to the point of pure potentiality...


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7449168936702962073#

PS: I don't agree with everything that is said in this video but his point about "chosen ones" and organized and networking covens is accurate

[RedeZra]

these last couple of centuries have seen the consolidation of power by the PTB while plunging the public into chaos and confusion

if a minority is to rule by secrecy then it's important to debilitate divide and deceive the minds of the masses

the PTB has messed up the minds of most of us so much so that many are not yet aware of the extent of it


many can see through some of the lies and some can see through many of the lies

at this point in time we are all somewhere on this scale of successful discernment between facts and fantasy


it is tragic that so many at the lower end of the discernment skill think themselves at the top of it


still truth is truth no matter what we think it is and it will eventually ablaze itself to those that are truthful - for truth is an intrinsic part of being like love and light

when truth is alight then it's easy to see through the lies


this latest craze about ET is just a propaganda perpetrated by PTB to deny God and the angels

the PTB knows it isn't true but they are up against them and want to take us down with them


Jesus Christ gave God a Name and a Form and He said that we are gods too

but we will never realize this if we don't start to act like gods


if one thinks that a god does not observe God's statutes then one will never raise above speck of dust status

[RedeZra]

When I was in Catholic Sunday school, getting prepared for baptism and first communion I asked the priest "Can you please explain to me how is it that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit can all be the same thing?" and his response to me was "It just is"....

Are you not a father to your children and a son to your parents and still you are you


We play many roles in life with many names still we are what we are

[truthseekerdan]

Jesus Christ gave God a Name and a Form and He said that we are gods too

Hi RedeZra,

When you say that Jesus gave God a form, are you referring to human form? (Luke 17:20-21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2017:20-21&version=NKJV))

Please elaborate... Thanks!

[RedeZra]

Jesus Christ gave God a Name and a Form and He said that we are gods too

Hi RedeZra,

When you say that Jesus gave God a form, are you referring to human form? (Luke 17:20-21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2017:20-21&version=NKJV))

Please elaborate... Thanks!

Hi Dan

it is extremly rare for men to realize God within without some help

so God presents Himself as an ideal Man among men so that man can raise to realize God

Godspeed ; )

[truthseekerdan]

so God presents Himself as an ideal Man among men so that man can raise to realize God

Hope that you don't really believe that God is just a male... ;)


it is extremly rare for men to realize God within without some help

What help are you talking about here?

TIA

[humanalien]

humanalien, give in a light heart, to what brings you joy. No rules... only yours.

Are you calling me a trouble maker?

lol! absolutely not... just in response to your tithing post. I think you were contemplating the virtues of giving to a church.

While I'm at it and in response to ...Father, Son, Holy Spirit...

In regards to the bible I will say this...

Research who Paul (Saul) of the new testament was. IMO, he was an idiot. He was a fanatical, ambitious, jealous fool. An outsider, but used by the insiders to twist meanings and to create religion.

:flypig:

Sorry about the mix up. I wasn't sure what you meant by that post.

As for the tithing thing. It really isn't meant to go to the church pastor
or to the church itself. It was only meant to feed the people after service
was over or maybe even during service jesus did with the fishes and loafs.

I don't have all the answers that you are seeking. If i did, i would be God
and i'm not. If your having touble understanding something biblical, then
please consult your religious book of choice.

I can only tell you what i have read and to some point, maybe even understand
but i can't tell you everything. Sometimes, one just has to do their own homework.

If you don't believe in God or any other religion then that is fine. I don't and won't
hold that against you for any reason and would be proud to call you friend... :nod:

[RedeZra]

so God presents Himself as an ideal Man among men so that man can raise to realize God

Hope that you don't really believe that God is just a male... ;)



there is a difference

the Creator is the Only masculine principle

while males only play the part


please Dan don't push the patience ; )

[humanalien]

We are all Spiritual beings having a Physical experience

I used to believe that saying at one time. Maybe i still do but i'm not sure.

I used to think that we humans were shells that held in an angelic soul and
their purpose for wanting to live in these meat suits was to help them learn
what being alive was like and learning lifes many experiences.

A couple of years back, i wandered upon a web site that was talking about
angels and it said angels don't have souls. That is why God put us above
the angels because we do have souls.

I'm sure your term "Spiritual beings" means something else but i
just thought i tell you about what you post made me remember.

[humanalien]

so God presents Himself as an ideal Man among men so that man can raise to realize God


I, in my opinion, believe that God is neither male nor female. God in it's
pure form is just intelligent energy.

[skyflower]

From the very mouth of the "Son of God" came these very words:

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'?

Jesus was a prime example of what we all truly are. He showed us our potential.
He even said that we could perform even greater miracles than he has performed. Walk on water? Why not just fly?
It is not by believing in that name "Jesus Christ" that you are saved. It isn't by chanting his name, and accepting that person from 2000 years ago.

You are saved when you acknowledge the God within you, that Divine spark. You are already a child of God. You are God.
Your salvation comes when you start identifying with the God within you, instead with the vehicle you are in, which is the body.

The bible is so full of symbolism, only to demonstrate this one and only thing.
That is all to the message in the bible. Something so simple, but men with their selfish agendas have managed to make it utterly complicated.

Peace and Love be with you~

[witchy1]

It is like saying that christians, jews, muslims or freemasons can only be good..

Witches follow the Rede: Eight words ye Wiccan Rede fulfill - An' it harm none, Do what ye will"

Witches come from all religions who understand and share this basic tenent. It is not an orgainised religion in the true sense of the word. There are no holy text, there are no leaders or commandments other than the rede and Rule of 3. Many Wiccans are solitary Witches.

The only reason the words satanic and witch are used in the same sentence is due to the history - originating in the Church which is why I provided the link, to assist in understanding why this happened and why it is perpetuated today?

Anton Szandor LaVey wrote a fantasy of seduction. He tried to promote a kind of feminism that was based on the perceived notions of Christianity where women and lust were considered to be evil. His clear agenda is about stereotyping women and their role in society, instead of discussing the art of witchcraft. It is a very shallow perception that he promoted because of his desire to objectify women. He has a controlling unheathly attitude about women. Given you have quoted his book I am sure you are aware of him describing himself as the current world leader of the Satanist Church http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/ChaplainsHandbook.html
Perhaps not your best source of information on the topic of Witchcraft.


Why are the people at the top of the ladder warlocks and witches?
- Why do they sacrifice people?

They do not


This is not about organized religion or men vs women

No, this is about your comment and my attempt at an explanation why your comment concerning Witches are wrong. The history provides how some ill informed people remain with the opinion that there are dark witches. It is about men and women and religion isasmuch as it relates to your comment. Have you read the link?

Rather than hi-jack this thread, I will start a new one where we can discuss it in depth, but I leave you to ponder the following as a basic tenant of the craft.

"Wiccans believe that the spirit of the One, Goddess and God exist in all things. In the trees, rain, flowers, the sea, in each other and all of natures creatures. This means that we must treat 'all things' of the Earth as aspects of the divine."-- Wicca.com

There can be no Witch anywhere that sacrfices human life. They have another name, it is not Witchcraft.

[humanalien]

From the very mouth of the "Son of God" came these very words:

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'?

Jesus was a prime example of what we all truly are. He showed us our potential.
He even said that we could perform even greater miracles than he has performed. Walk on water? Why not just fly?
It is not by believing in that name "Jesus Christ" that you are saved. It isn't by chanting his name, and accepting that person from 2000 years ago.

You are saved when you acknowledge the God within you, that Divine spark. You are already a child of God. You are God.
Your salvation comes when you start identifying with the God within you, instead with the vehicle you are in, which is the body.

The bible is so full of symbolism, only to demonstrate this one and only thing.
That is all to the message in the bible. Something so simple, but men with their selfish agendas have managed to make it utterly complicated.

Peace and Love be with you~

I remember that from John 10:34 KJV
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Psalms 82:6:
have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

I think that we will become small gods but we can never be God.

***NOTICE***

To anyone that has a firm belief in God, could you please
read this page and tell me what you think? It's a short
story and i found it to be some what an eye opener. If
this is true, it is really profound.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/and-God-said.htm

[humanalien]

"Wiccans believe that the spirit of the One, Goddess and God exist in all things. In the trees, rain, flowers, the sea, in each other and all of natures creatures. This means that we must treat 'all things' of the Earth as aspects of the divine."-- Wicca.com


That may be a true statement since God created all things but wiccans
worship mother earth and not God. My daughter used to belong to a wiccan
clan and that is what she told me. Not only that but you were suppose to
purchase the same type fairy costume (as i call them) as the rest of them
and you also had to buy their books and really expensive crystals and a few
other odds and ends.

[Houman]

Witchy1, my purpose is not religion bashing or Wicca bashing.
If it is a question of semantics I can call them whatever you want (high priestess, mother of darkness,...)

You know that all organized structures have esoteric and exoteric teachings... and what you are describing is at the anarchy level (without defined order)...

The people that I am referring to (call them whatever you want) are into sacrifice for power through demonization (invocation of and overshadowing by entities locked into another plane of existence (we live in computed realities))... this is not something new... the ancients were aware of the weaponization of the powers of the mind and used to demonize their warrior class...
they sacrifice both adults and children, baby girls are preferred, victims are tortured and raped as long as possible (for hours or days in some cases) to heighten fear and sexual emotions/energies and attract the most powerful entities...

This is going on everywhere, one "notable" place (visited by "notable" "people") is Hillside cemetery in Mountain City USA... (under the cemetery)...







It is like saying that christians, jews, muslims or freemasons can only be good..

Witches follow the Rede: Eight words ye Wiccan Rede fulfill - An' it harm none, Do what ye will"

Witches come from all religions who understand and share this basic tenent. It is not an orgainised religion in the true sense of the word. There are no holy text, there are no leaders or commandments other than the rede and Rule of 3. Many Wiccans are solitary Witches.

The only reason the words satanic and witch are used in the same sentence is due to the history - originating in the Church which is why I provided the link, to assist in understanding why this happened and why it is perpetuated today?

Anton Szandor LaVey wrote a fantasy of seduction. He tried to promote a kind of feminism that was based on the perceived notions of Christianity where women and lust were considered to be evil. His clear agenda is about stereotyping women and their role in society, instead of discussing the art of witchcraft. It is a very shallow perception that he promoted because of his desire to objectify women. He has a controlling unheathly attitude about women. Given you have quoted his book I am sure you are aware of him describing himself as the current world leader of the Satanist Church http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/ChaplainsHandbook.html
Perhaps not your best source of information on the topic of Witchcraft.


Why are the people at the top of the ladder warlocks and witches?
- Why do they sacrifice people?

They do not


This is not about organized religion or men vs women

No, this is about your comment and my attempt at an explanation why your comment concerning Witches are wrong. The history provides how some ill informed people remain with the opinion that there are dark witches. It is about men and women and religion isasmuch as it relates to your comment. Have you read the link?

Rather than hi-jack this thread, I will start a new one where we can discuss it in depth, but I leave you to ponder the following as a basic tenant of the craft.

"Wiccans believe that the spirit of the One, Goddess and God exist in all things. In the trees, rain, flowers, the sea, in each other and all of natures creatures. This means that we must treat 'all things' of the Earth as aspects of the divine."-- Wicca.com

There can be no Witch anywhere that sacrfices human life. They have another name, it is not Witchcraft.

[Snoweagle]

Gaia is our Mother
Sol is our Father
Humanity is our Spirit

We are God
(collectively, en masse, together, as a whole, etc . . . )

Once you experience an open pineal gland, an active kundalini, you too will know this to be true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini

An active kundalini transcends all man made religious or spiritual belief systems.

[greybeard]

so God presents Himself as an ideal Man among men so that man can raise to realize God

Hope that you don't really believe that God is just a male... ;)


it is extremly rare for men to realize God within without some help

What help are you talking about here?

TIA

God is neither Male or Female, the energy of Pure Love is as close as you can get as far as I can see.

Dan there is a long tradition of Enlightened masters in India. My Avatar Ramana for one.
They are a high spiritual energy field and when a person is ready by osmosis that energy field fully enlightens the student.
The high energy field is also to be found in their books.
Jesus did the same to/for the disciples, just different language.
Holy Spirit and Kundalin one and the same energy just different cultures

The God realized one is no longer a person.
Everything personal has been removed.

We could talk about it but unless you have read books by the likes of Nasargadatta, Ramana Ramesh or the Bhaghavad Gita the conversation would be meaningless.
Its like a foreign language.

You could say that when the person/student has done enough for himself, then, by Grace of God Enlightenment transforms the person in to a differnt state called enlightenment. The caterpillar becomes the butterfly, it is that different.
Yet the essence and potential is within all.

The enlightened sage lives in two world, the formless and the form.
In the timeless, omnipresent, non-duality,egoless, omnipotent, all knowing state.

That is why the Sage says, "It can not be spoken of only experienced," we do not have words to understand the state. I cant be languaged.
The teacher and the taught are the same. There is only consciouses at play.
The Ego wants to understand put it in a box.
It is beyond mind.
So the enlightened one has realised the presence of God within, the God presence can assist the student to realize that presence within.
A path is also shown, a process.
A student may be devoted to the God presence within the teacher, not the form of the teacher though that may be used as a door.
So as part of the process devotion and humility are an absolute requirement.

Now the whole process is speeding up so we may see Christ consciousness, call it what you will, happening for many within the next few years.

Hope this is helpful

Namaste

[greybeard]

We are God
(collectively, en masse, together, as a whole, etc . . . )

Once you experience an open pineal gland, an active kundalini, you too will know this to be true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini

An active kundalini transcends all man made religious or spiritual belief systems.

Yes I had no idea what Kundalin is and starange things happened to my spine and head then by sycronicity I enede up on the ashram of the late Dr Goels the Kundalini
enlightened guru.
A book by him
http://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/IDK142/

A number of descriptions exist that attempt to describe exactly what the kundalini experience is.

Sri Ramana Maharshi maintained that the kundalini energy is nothing but the natural energy of the Self, where Self is the universal consciousness (Paramatma) present in every being, and that the individual mind of thoughts cloaks this natural energy from unadulterated expression. Advaita teaches that Self-realization, enlightenment, God-consciousness, nirvana and kundalini awakening are all the same thing, and self-inquiry meditation is considered a very natural and simple means of reaching this goal.[8]

You dont have to get complex to find God within.

Ask Him in all humility in meditation and a teacher or book will arrive in your life to show yo a way right for you.
Namaste.

[bearcow]

Holy Spirit and Kundalin one and the same energy just different cultures

In my opinion they are not the same, christian terminology is not very precise, but as best as i can figure, The holy spirit is the same as atma.

[greybeard]

Holy Spirit and Kundalin one and the same energy just different cultures

In my opinion they are not the same, christian terminology is not very precise, but as best as i can figure, The holy spirit is the same as atma.

Yes terminology is imprecise but see the post above yours for Ramana quote but my splitting hairs non productive.
Its all amazing
Namaste

[RedeZra]

God Is as much within a speck of dust as within a human heart

still God Is not confined within anything and Is above everything


many get the point that God Is within but forget that God Is His own Being too


even if not one of us realizes God within

God Is still God

[greybeard]

The chair that you sit upon is of no less no more value than the human body.
That does wonders for your ego when you hear it first.

God is form, formless, both and neither.

Try and get the mind round that Laughing.

[RedeZra]

The chair that you sit upon is of no less no more value than the human body.
That does wonders for your ego when you hear it first.

God is form, formless, both and neither.

Try and get the mind round that Laughing.

hehe we are puffed up with pride with the fact that God Is also within us ; )

[greybeard]

The chair that you sit upon is of no less no more value than the human body.
That does wonders for your ego when you hear it first.

God is form, formless, both and neither.

Try and get the mind round that Laughing.

hehe we are puffed up with pride with the fact that God Is also within us ; )

Hi RedeZra my friend

A good Scottish saying. (That will put your gas down to a peep)

We keep this up we will soon all be on the silent thread with our arm chairs.

What is there to say really?

Have a nice day

Namaste

[RedeZra]

Hi RedeZra my friend

A good Scottish saying. (That will put your gas down to a peep)

We keep this up we will soon all be on the silent thread with our arm chairs.

What is there to say really?

Have a nice day

Namaste


there is an ever so slightly tint of spring in the air

care for a Sunday stroll friend ; )


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PUoIm_a8734/Sbpw84qF5nI/AAAAAAAABhQ/MgR-RhYSILY/s400/Scottish-Mountain-Storm.png

[truthseekerdan]

Below is a testimony of one of the best RV (remote viewer) in the world, on how he perceived and experienced what we call God.

"My remote-viewing experiences have also led me to understand God differently.
I no longer look to some distant Heaven to find my Father. I now understand the meaning of the words once told by a wise sage: "God is within".

I once had a remote-viewing experience where I perceived what I believe to be the essential beginning of the universe. There was a shape of light that somewhat resembled a spinning cloud or vortex. In the middle of the session, I questioned what to do next once I had perceived this enigma. I cued on the idea of a suggestion, inviting my subspace mind to offer a hint as to the meaning of this experience. The response was immediate. I sensed that I was to cue on God.

My conscious mind was confused by this suggestion, and probably as a consequence of this, the idea came to me that I should cue on someone who could explain this to me. I then cued on Jesus in the matrix. For reasons that I will explain, I have long considered him our older brother, in a literal sense. I suppose I intuitively felt that he would be sufficiently experienced and wise to know what to do in this situation. Instantly I sensed my awareness shift to include this being's flavor of consciousness, and I sensed him suggest to me that I should abandon fear and plunge into the vortex that I perceived. I did so.

The vortex was alive. There was the sense of a huge consciousness, and as I extended my mind across this consciousness, I felt stretched like the skin of a balloon, although not uncomfortably so. It then became clear to me that this being was terribly alone, and sad beyond measure. It had spent an eternity by itself, slowly evolving, until finally grew to a point at which it could end its pain.

Then, in one sudden burst, I experienced this being's solution. The being essentially blew itself up, or at least much of itself. As I followed the outward rush of the being's fragmenting expansion, I perceived that it experienced a new joy that nearly overwhelmed me. The being did not die.

At first the bits and pieces of the larger being were too small and immature to even be aware of themselves. Neither were they aware of their own origin. From this point began the most profound evolution of the original being. It had become a parent to the fragments of itself.

The fragmented parts began to experience existence in a way that seemed independent of the parent. Initially they did not understand that they were literally part of a single larger being. Yet as they continued to grow in experience, they matured and developed an intense need to know how they came to exist, and indeed, the reason for their existence. This led them eventually to seek and discover the reality of their parent, their loving Creator. It was at this moment of realization that they understood that they were their parent, and that their own growth and evolution was also the growth and evolution of their parent. The parent had created a way to look back at itself through a mirror of a multitude of individual consciousnesses."

Excerpt from the book "Cosmic Explorers" (http://www.courtneybrown.com/publications/explorers.html) by Courtney Brown (http://www.farsight.org/)

[greybeard]

Hi Dan
God does not have human attributes like sad beyond measure.
The most ancient of Vedic records say that God is complete. The One without second, Pure Love Eternal unchanging.
The mind cant get it.
It has to do with energy.
The wanting to know God will lead from those who talk about it and on to those who are it.
Its a process
The ego prevents too much progress, so will divert on a spiritual merry go round which does have purpose it is preparing the soul for the highest Truth.
Unchangeable Eternal not negotiable.
Christ The Buddha Krishna that Truth, only difference was the culture.

The Vedic and Upanished Truth was given to humans long before Christ but it is exactly the same Truth.
God is LOVE.
The spiritual energy of one like Ramana Maharshi is far above and beyond that of an unrealized writer,
His spiritual awakening to full maturity in his early teens well worth studying.
Rendered into a state of bliss for years unable to speak in union with God.
Respectfully, an un realized writer can inform to the best of his ability but thats it.
No spiritual energy to speak of, nothing to really move you forward into the Divine embrace.

Time is getting short.

Yet simply all that is needed is the first two commandments.

Humility and a desire to serve God.

Namaste

[truthseekerdan]

Hi Dan
God does not have human attributes like sad beyond measure.

Actually Chris, in human form God does feel emotions. Jesus felt sadness, as well as many other sages and saints...

How else would you understand the glory of God with a human mind? We are limited in this 3D body by our brain. We only know in part now, but soon we'll know more... :)

Namaste ~ Dan

[greybeard]

Hi Dan
God does not have human attributes like sad beyond measure.

Actually Chris, in human form God does feel emotions. Jesus felt sadness, as well as many other sages and saints...

How else would you understand the glory of God with a human mind? We are limited in this 3D body by our brain. We only know in part now, but soon we'll know more... :)

Namaste ~ Dan

That is the whole point Dan you go beyond mind. and you can do it NOW
God is not understandable with human mind
All the enlightened sages have.
Compassion is not an emotion.
Words are not it either.
The world like a loose garment.
Be in the world but not of it.
Neither aversion or attraction.

The Love descends on you then it is unmistakable it fills you with a feeling that is beyond human expression.
You are incapable of speaking, the bliss state unbelievable. You are not in meditation you are walking. being, just present.
Words limit that which is beyond limit.

If I had advice for anyone it would be expose yourself to the highest spiritual energy you can find daily.
Meditate on what is read in silent awareness. a few paragraphs enough.
Christ words, Bhaghavad gita, The Buddha all highest energy. (entrainment)
if you get the chance go and listen to Eckhart Tolle or Dr David Hawkins.
We expect enlightened beings to be like saints or wear spiritual garb no its not like that.

Nothing but energy in movement.

Namaste

[truthseekerdan]

That is the whole point Dan you go beyond mind. and you can do it NOW
God is not understandable with human mind

Chris with all due respect, I still have to understand why are you shifting this conversation to a totally different subject? :confused:

Your original reply was in regard to the post below which is a testimony. How would people that are not at 'your level', understand something beyond mind.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15091-You-think-you-are-a-god&p=158580&viewfull=1#post158580

If you don't agree with Courtney Brown testimony that's fine -- nobody forces you, but please don't make it more complicated. The mind likes that concept... :p

Blessings and understanding, ~ Dan

[greybeard]

That is the whole point Dan you go beyond mind. and you can do it NOW
God is not understandable with human mind

Chris with all due respect, I still have to understand why are you shifting this conversation to a totally different subject? :confused:

Your original reply was in regard to the post below which is a testimony. How would people that are not at 'your level', understand something beyond mind.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15091-You-think-you-are-a-god&p=158580&viewfull=1#post158580

If you don't agree with Courtney Brown testimony that's fine -- nobody forces you, but please don't make it more complicated. The mind likes that concept... :p

Blessings and understanding, ~ Dan

Thats the point it is simple and in context with the thread.
Be still and know that I am God.
The Kingdom of Heaven is within.
The wisest of my disciple will enter the Kingdom by faith alone.

Im pointing to how everyone can know that they are God.
Mind is not necessary to know that which you are.
God realization,
Enlightenment there for everyone NOW.
Hope that clears any miss-understanding
Namaste

[truthseekerdan]

That is the whole point Dan you go beyond mind. and you can do it NOW
God is not understandable with human mind

Chris with all due respect, I still have to understand why are you shifting this conversation to a totally different subject? :confused:

Your original reply was in regard to the post below which is a testimony. How would people that are not at 'your level', understand something beyond mind.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15091-You-think-you-are-a-god&p=158580&viewfull=1#post158580

If you don't agree with Courtney Brown testimony that's fine -- nobody forces you, but please don't make it more complicated. The mind likes that concept... :p

Blessings and understanding, ~ Dan

Thats the point it is simple and in context with the thread.
Be still and know that I am God.
The Kingdom of Heaven is within.
The wisest of my disciple will enter the Kingdom by faith alone.

Im pointing to how everyone can know that they are God.
Mind is not necessary to know that which you are.
God realization,
Enlightenment there for everyone NOW.
Hope that clears any miss-understanding
Namaste

That would have made Jesus' teachings a lot easier to just say "Be still and know that I am God". Am sure everyone would have understood, isn't it? :)

Obviously he had to use a lot of metaphors and allegories to explain to the 'common folk' how to find the kingdom of God. Still many did not understand...

I assume you may be tired, so give 'the mind' some rest my friend. ;)

Love,

Dan

[Lettherebelight]

If God is the Supreme Being, He/She must have a personality and individuality.

How can I possess something that God doesn't have?

God is love, and love is the highest emotion. It can't be classified as only a human quality.




Everything is emanating from God.

[noxon medem]

- from unknown source:

exist by being
exist by doing
exist by ...ing
your own

hello humanalien.
- thank YOU.
And respect for, and to, you,
for the re-entry.
Nice to read this thread, and feel it ...

See you choose to maintain your semi-mad avatar.
- so, be positively crazy then, my friend ..
ok for me, a bit stressfull to view your posts, that is all ,
and (but) no stress, please .
(I know I can turn off avatars, but some (most) are nice to view )

heres another one:
5223

- anyway , somehow, and beyond ..

:)

All well.
nm

[greybeard]

Respecting all points of view,

God can not be measured in human terms.

God can no be known only experienced.

There is a step up principal in getting to know/experience God
Evolution of consciousness.
Words of course are open to misinterpretation.

Duality has served its purpose we are moving into a new way of being which was experienced by very few in the past.
They were path finders, leaders, front runners.
According to whom they were talking to the way of delivering the message differed.
The Truth unchanged
The opportunity of Realizing God within is greater now than ever before but yet more difficult.
We suffer from information overload so the simplicity of it all is lost, buried under noise.
We are the noisiest generation ever, uncomfortable in the main with silence.
We are also doing, doing, doing, as apposed to being.
The longest journey from mind to heart.
Thankfully we have books like "The Power of Now and A new Earth" by Eckhart Tolle.

Tolle says of his books "The words have some information value but the words are the carrier of the energy of enlightenment."

it comes down to being on a wave length, being in as high an attractor energy field as possible.

Being is being still and quiet in the midst of the noise of this world.

That is possible for all who understand the simplicity of it all.
Accepting that on the journey from mind to heart wading through information is necessary to begin with.
The wheat from the chaff.
Not this not this.
It is not about adding to self through more and more information.
The essence of which is helpful to encourage finding peace and stillness in the eternal Now.
The Self within is revealed by letting go of all that is not Self.
Then God is revealed within.
That is within all.
Namaste

[greybeard]

"What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls the butterfly"

Richard Bach

Thats where we are headed.

Namaste

[RedeZra]

it's such a short stay

one by one

we must go as we came


some things are inevitable and self-evident

like death and God


we don't even know when and where we go


http://www.integrativehearthealingcenter.com/HHC-2/_RefFiles/heart-208.jpg


still the heart requires a question

Who Am I


it won't stop spinning til the heart gets it right

[truthseekerdan]

What if we're not only humans, but also multidimensional light beings?

What if because we're eternal beings decided to entertain, and created some holographic games -- just because we can?

What if one of the many interactive 3D games we call life on Earth is actually a 'fun place' to experience duality and learn?

What if each one of us chooses what role to play in advance according to their individual progress achieved (points)?

What if some forgot who they are by losing their 'higher self' connection, and by identifying themselves with physical (material world/ego), -- got stuck in the game (karma).

What if everything exists as a dream in 'the mind' of the Creator (Source/Great Consciousness), because of the unconditional love desire to experience everything thru us?

This is just some 'food for thought'. ;)

Please add your own 'what ifs'... :)

What if we don't see the forest for the trees?

What if the only "Truth is infinite Love, and everything else is illusion"?

Dear all, I'm grateful for what I've learned and experienced here at PA forum from friends, and everybody else. Now it's time for me to move on...

I will be visiting here only as an observer and not as a participant. If anyone has any questions, please use the PM and I'll try to get back to you as soon as I can. Thank you.

Wish you all the best in your pursuit of "the kingdom of God". Love is all there is. :love:

Namaste ~ Dan ♥

[RedeZra]

What if the only "Truth is infinite Love, and everything else is illusion"?



so Be it

the love within

expand it infinitely


lovespeed ; )

[greybeard]

The Kingdom of God is a state not a place.
The state of Unconditional Love / Infinite Love as expressed by Jesus and many others.
This is the problem with words, totally inadequate

Namaste

[RedeZra]

The Kingdom of God is a state not a place.


when one thinks about it even earth is a state of mind ; )

[greybeard]

The Kingdom of God is a state not a place.


when one thinks about it even earth is a state of mind ; )

In deed RedeZra we are back to only God is.

The One without a second.

Everything an illusion but Love

Indras dream

The out breath and the in breath of God.

The ego loves to hear that.

Namaste

Ps Muzz posted Tony Parsons video, well worth a look.

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