Is it possible that members may be AIs?

[Icecold]

Our vetting/registration process would seem to indicate......no



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/18/revealed-air-force-ordered-software-to-manage-army-of-fake-virtual-people/


http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/


http://www.pandorabots.com/botmaster/en/home


http://www.ordinarymagic.com/v-people/Consultants.html

[sjkted]

I've been thinking this since the whole Charles thing came about. It very well could be manufactured consent in the form of multiple identities posting the same message with different forms of language and different IP Addresses, geographical locations, etc.

--sjkted

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Error.....does not compute..................

Sorry:)

[Icecold]

Error.....does not compute..................

Sorry:)

LOL. Ok....that is on topic.

[Lily de Cuir]

I am the machine, you are being watched, da, da, da, da....

As you were,

Lol, just jokin' folks...

Lily

[jjl]

I've been thinking this since the whole Charles thing came about. It very well could be manufactured consent in the form of multiple identities posting the same message with different forms of language and different IP Addresses, geographical locations, etc.

--sjkted

but why?..........

[HURRITT ENYETO]

What i don't understand with these fake A.I persona's is couldn't you easily trip them up by asking certain questions? Personal questions for example?
Or questions about life? Surely they only have a certain amount of pre programmed responses?

[sjkted]

I've been thinking this since the whole Charles thing came about. It very well could be manufactured consent in the form of multiple identities posting the same message with different forms of language and different IP Addresses, geographical locations, etc.

--sjkted


but why?..........

It's just to keep us offtrack worrying about things that don't mean anything. Kind of like watching politicians argue of meaningless things. First, the elites take 99% of the pie, leave us common folk with 1% and then we are left to fight amongst ourselves for the remaining 1%. This is the same type of divide-and-conquer strategy. They bring us together with Project Camelot and then fracture us between Bill's faction and Kerry's faction and then the mists and then the splitting of the forums and then the Charles material. It's been a pretty consistent theme. We end up arguing amongst ourselves instead of working with each other to make real solutions and having a unified front against the enemy of all humanity.

--sjkted

[Darla Ken Pearce]

[QUOTE=Icecold;157587]Our vetting/registration process would seem to indicate......no

There is just one small point I'd like to make here and it's that these types of fears of vetting the wrong folks and all other 3rd dimensional worries and fears coming over and over regarding 3D secrecy issues, setting up screening and barriers, a fear of non-transparent beings sneaking in to seize your own ideas ~ is a whole lot of worry about nada. We are not to wallow in the circumstance as they may appear today with all the BS ~ that entails, we are to strive for a new age of enlightenment where everyone has time to create new things in the light. Where all are free to throw out their most outrageous ideas for our own wellbeing and good that can assist us in overcoming the heavy weight of 3D upon our shoulders. It is this weight that continues to hold us back from any real progress. As we ascend and who doesn't want to be uplifted out of the wars, murder, genocide, stealing ways that have enslaved us?

It is far better to begin creating in your threads and posts going forward away from darkness into light. Have we not wasted too much time already mucking about in the sewers of death, destruction, genocide, poverty, and enslavement? This line of thinking and some others on Avalon hold us back. Dark matters still seem to have an appeal and it's just that appeal that feeds darkness through our own fears. Do not give the dark ~ this power.

Please I invite you to ascend into the higher thought realms and ask that your heart and body may ask and have the desire to ascend along with our beloved Earth who rises now. I know we can do this together and have nothing to fear from mere humans who are operating under the illusion that they actually have real power over the masses because it just isn't so. And so it is... xoxox Much love.

[sjkted]

What i don't understand with these fake A.I persona's is couldn't you easily trip them up by asking certain questions? Personal questions for example?
Or questions about life? Surely they only have a certain amount of pre programmed responses?

My understanding is that is not how it works. The idea is to take an idea and then translate it into an "identity" -- in other words, the way you speak and interact with the forum. Notice how forum members use different words that depend on where they learned English (i.e. native speaker of America, UK, or Australia, or foreign speaker), their vocabulary and intelligence level, whether they are predominately left or right-brained (i..e logical or emotional), how they form ideas and think.

It's almost like they're translating from one language to another -- only it's all in English based on subtle linguistic, cultural and personality differences.

--sjkted

¤=[Post Update]=¤



It is far better to begin creating in your threads and posts going forward away from darkness into light. Have we not wasted too much time already mucking about in the sewers of death, destruction, genocide, poverty, and enslavement? This line of thinking and some others on Avalon hold us back. Dark matters still seem to have an appeal and it's just that appeal that feeds darkness through our own fears. Do not give the dark ~ this power.


There's a real game going on here. Don't believe everything you've heard. There are levels on top of levels on top of levels. Basic problem solving states that in order to fix a problem, one must first understand it. Whether you choose to dwell on it and be negative is up to each individual. But, I think these threads are meaningful as we should strive to understand what is happening in the world.

--sjkted

[Icecold]

What i don't understand with these fake A.I persona's is couldn't you easily trip them up by asking certain questions? Personal questions for example?
Or questions about life? Surely they only have a certain amount of pre programmed responses?

My understanding is that is not how it works. The idea is to take an idea and then translate it into an "identity" -- in other words, the way you speak and interact with the forum. Notice how forum members use different words that depend on where they learned English (i.e. native speaker of America, UK, or Australia, or foreign speaker), their vocabulary and intelligence level, whether they are predominately left or right-brained (i..e logical or emotional), how they form ideas and think.

It's almost like they're translating from one language to another -- only it's all in English based on subtle linguistic, cultural and personality differences.

--sjkted

¤=[Post Update]=¤



It is far better to begin creating in your threads and posts going forward away from darkness into light. Have we not wasted too much time already mucking about in the sewers of death, destruction, genocide, poverty, and enslavement? This line of thinking and some others on Avalon hold us back. Dark matters still seem to have an appeal and it's just that appeal that feeds darkness through our own fears. Do not give the dark ~ this power.


There's a real game going on here. Don't believe everything you've heard. There are levels on top of levels on top of levels. Basic problem solving states that in order to fix a problem, one must first understand it. Whether you choose to dwell on it and be negative is up to each individual. But, I think these threads are meaningful as we should strive to understand what is happening in the world.

--sjkted

sjkted, yes I'd agree with most of what you've said there.

Have you got a theory regarding how an AI can get through the registration process?

[sjkted]

Well, the idea is to automate as much of this stuff as possible. I would imagine they have a bunch of template documents and then "translate" this into different identities. As many forums require a welcome post or summary, they probably have a template that might be required for registration. I suppose if they had to, they certainly have the manpower to manually create the registration entries .. it would just take more time for them.

--sjkted

[Icecold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k34YaYJ2ekk

[Beth]

AI's are the only one's we let in........oooohh, you see what I did there :P

[Icecold]

Yes, I did. Interesting.

[sjkted]

Beth: you mean to say I'm the only real person here, or are you saying that I'm really just another AI person?

--sjkted

[Beth]

Beth: you mean to say I'm the only real person here, or are you saying that I'm really just another AI person?

--sjkted

Shhhhhh, don't tell them we let a human in.

[sjkted]

Shhhhhh, don't tell them we let a human in.


I won't. I hear they eat people.

--sjkted

[ThePythonicCow]

Not just AI got in ... also a couple of their programmers, to observe from the inside. Mooo!!

[Kindling]

Laughing out loud!! Too funny Beth, Sjkted, and Paul :-).

[Otho]

If there is sophisticated, self aware AI around here, maybe a diplomatic overture is in order?

[sjkted]

If there is sophisticated, self aware AI around here, maybe a diplomatic overture is in order?

I don't think any of this as described as sophisticated, self-aware AI.

--sjkted

[Icecold]

Well its all good and only one AI posted on the thread. Excellent.

[Icecold]

Could Admin turn off stealth, it helps AIs and their handlers. Thanks

I mean why do we need stealth if it helps the bad guys. ????

Make sense? LMAO

[DianeKJ]

Still wondering how an AI could actually get through the registration process. Doesn't seem likely to me. This forum is different in that there are many questions to answer ect... not just a simple registration with an email reply to activate your account. Some humans have trouble getting in. lol.
-Di

[sjkted]

It's not AI. There.

--sjkted

[Maria Stade]

Shhhhhh, don't tell them we let a human in.


I won't. I hear they eat people.

--sjkted

How do they do that ?

[sjkted]

I don't know. It's just what I've heard.

--sjkted

[Kindling]

LOL! I don't think I want to know the details of how they do that :suspicious:

[InCiDeR]

I don't want to ruin the party, but everything on the internet is about 10101010101. (and maybe in other realms to). Understand this. Consider.

Kraftwerk - The Robots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5XkKceOvwY&feature=related

[bitworm]

Still wondering how an AI could actually get through the registration process. Doesn't seem likely to me. This forum is different in that there are many questions to answer ect... not just a simple registration with an email reply to activate your account. Some humans have trouble getting in. lol.
-Di

For this forum, there would probably have to be some human intervention at some point during the registration process.

Here's an example(hopefully I explain it clearly enough that you can follow):

The CAPTCHA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA) is a common target for AI programmers. There are various implementations, ranging from trivial to so difficult that even humans have trouble with them.

One way to solve a CAPTCHA is to find a way to access the text you need to type in the box in order to get through. Some of the easier ones will place this in a hidden form var or cookie. It is simply a manner of programmatically submitting the text. There are not too many of these out there anymore; they make the text harder to access, so we move to another approach.

Since the text is in an image, you can grab the image and run an OCR routine on it. The easy ones just generate words from a predefined list and generate the image using standard fonts. If your OCR can recognize the font, solving is trivial. Nowadays, text is usually in a number of fonts, is warped and other artifacts placed in the image to partially obscure the text.. A good OCR can still get the text, keeping in mind that something very specific was done to the text/image. Determine what was done and undo it.

But here is a more interesting approach - the reason I wrote this:
Anyone who runs a website can put a CAPTCHA in place for whatever reason. Suppose I had a web-based proxy site that allowed users to visit other sites (like megaproxy and 100s of others); these sites are very popular for obvious reasons, and most shared hosting plans will prohibit you from running one because of the traffic and the complaints the site would bring them.

Anyway, for my proxy site, I'd let users type in a URL and go wherever, the only catch is that they would have to type some letters in the box to prove they are human. In truth, I don't care whether or not they are human, I just want them to type the letters in the box corresponding to the image they see.

But what is really happening is that once a visitor hits my page, it triggers a program to go to some other site and sign up for a user account. It will do its thing until it gets to the CAPTCHA, then it will make a copy of the image and display it to the visitor at my page. So when they type in the letters, the program collects the text and sends it back to the original site, therefore completing registration.

Extend this to making/responding to posts and you will see a lot of what appears to be some sophisticated AI could really be a lot of indirect interaction.

[sjkted]

It seems like you have the basic concept here, but the identities have no more intelligence than an 1970's calculator. The program is just doing what it's supposed to do. It's not self-aware, autonomous or intelligent. They're just running a translation program which could call home to the operator to do some manual entry or solve a problem, similar to when a language translation software runs into something really unexpected like slang, jargon, made-up terms, etc.

Some of my favorite CAPTCHAs are sites that state you must identify yourself as a human of sufficient intelligence to post on the site and then give you some sort of random problem you must respond to such that you are deemed worthy of posting.

--sjkted

[Icecold]

A human could still initiate the registration procedure and then have an AI login as the account user. Then initiate another registration....

If the AI is successful after a time, then the handler can just let it run and bug out. All AI maintenance would be carried out at point of origin.

In theory, the logic routines of AIs could be extremely sophisticated. Very human in conversation.

[sjkted]

A human could still initiate the registration procedure and then have an AI login as the account user. Then initiate another registration....

If the AI is successful after a time, then the handler can just let it run and bug out. All AI maintenance would be carried out at point of origin.

In theory, the logic routines of AIs could be extremely sophisticated. Very human in conversation.

Yes, exactly! They could have custom API interfaces for each of the forum types. For example, Avalon is vBulletin I believe which is an extremely popular forum. There are about four or five main forum types, as well as the big names like Yahoo groups. It wouldn't be obscenely difficult to do something like this. It's kind of like a bot net with language.

You could have one guy monitoring threads on Charles (or any other topic) who initiates one post that gets translated and then reposted hundreds if not thousands of times on different threads in different forums originating from different online identities using different words.

I could probably do this myself if I had enough free time. It wouldn't be all that hard.

--sjkted

[InCiDeR]

Still...everything that goes on in the digital world, such as internet, consists of 10101010101. Every handshake, every interface, every process.. no matter CAPTCHA or not.

There is a reason why those antivirus or firewalls softwares are "hacked" before they enter the market. Sometimes the groups behind the hacking don't even release the "fix" on "the Scene"...consider!

It is almost like a comedy, the software that should protect people from intruders are the ones "cracked" first. The groups in the "know how" striving to be the first, it is a competition... but with rules.

InCiDeR

[Icecold]

At the machine code level of 010101010s, nothing is safe.

[Sowelu]

ai bots are advancing incredibly... this one seems talks smarter than most people lol..
and this is just what they let us see..imagine all the hidden ai technology and how
powerful it must be by now


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRR33WDFi_k

[Sowelu]

ive always suspected obama was a robot...o_0 something about the way he composes himself
just isn't natural...

[ThePythonicCow]

ai bots are advancing incredibly... The question is not how do we keep them out. The question is whether they will continue to let us in ;).

(I speak in jest. AI is profoundly lacking in essential higher level awarenesses.)

[chelmostef]

ai bots are advancing incredibly... The question is not how do we keep them out. The question is whether they will continue to let us in ;).

(I speak in jest. AI is profoundly lacking in essential higher level awarenesses.)

Ha Ha, so true... How did we get in!


I personally think that the their agendas will give them away...

I also think that the will be able to adjust their personalities... Good cop, bad cop routine... But with the intention of splitting the group up... Or just like Glenn beck does, spin the truth with a little bit of poison mixed in, as Alex Jones has said about Glenn Beck.

I don't think its happening yet, the ones that infiltrate forums are paid humans... But as you can see from the articles, they are working their socks off to bring this about.....


I found something interesting the other week.. There was an AOL article that was a day or so old it had no posts so I thought I would put my views forth about the problems arising in egypt. I put my comments down, then checked back as I thought as it was a bit of an older article my comments might not get completely lost as does happen on AOL. When I checked back the was an huge amount of comments and what I had written was completely lost... At the time it jumped out at being strange, i wrote it off and continued my surfing.

[Lancelot]

Lol, may be, but they should be easy to spot....

Ways to spot the subversive robot infiltrator-

consistently discredits useful posts
starts abrasive/ divisional posts
behaves inhumanly
has no heart
zaps laser beams at other members
knows nothing about Star Trek

[Icecold]

AI is profoundly lacking in essential higher level awarenesses.)

Really? What you really mean is, the level of AI programming that you are aware of is lacking.

That I would agree with.




Ways to spot the subversive robot infiltrator-

consistently discredits useful posts
starts abrasive/ divisional posts
behaves inhumanly
has no heart
zaps laser beams at other members
knows nothing about Star Trek

Lancelot mirrors an AI with his post.

Very good demonstration Lancelot. I think you ticked your own boxes.

Well done.

(The low post count is a dead giveaway.)

[chelmostef]

Lancelot mirrors an AI with his post.

Very good demonstration Lancelot. I think you ticked your own boxes.

Well done.

(The low post count is a dead giveaway.)

Was this Humor?

Now I sound like a computer! Arhh! Rebot....

[str8thinker]

(Lancelot) Ways to spot the subversive robot infiltrator-

consistently discredits useful posts
starts abrasive/ divisional posts
behaves inhumanly
has no heart
zaps laser beams at other members
knows nothing about Star Trek

Excellent! You pass the Turing Test.

@Icecold:


Lancelot mirrors an AI with his post.

Very good demonstration Lancelot. I think you ticked your own boxes.

Well done.

(The low post count is a dead giveaway.)

That wasn't very funny or very kind.

[InCiDeR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl9R1YT_n-s&feature=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39p_Pb6i_1c&feature=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sjV_lxSVQo&feature=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNXpnZ8XkOY&feature=

As stated before. Wonder what's behind the curtains! One of this video was made 2006...

[Champion the Wonderhorse]

I seriously used to think the same about G W Bush. Early footage of his mannerism's and body language didn't quite fit.

[Fredkc]

Proposed new questions for the application process:

1. Are you animal, vegetable, or mineral?
2. Was your Mother?
3. Did your Father spank, or did he just jiggle the wall plug with an evil grin?
4. How do you feel?
5. How do you feel?

Fred

[jjl]

1. Are you animal, vegetable, or mineral?
2. Was your Mother? Earth
3. Did your Father spank, or did he just jiggle the wall plug with an evil grin? both
4. How do you feel?with my hands
5. How do you feel?same as usual

[jjl]

try this, when was the last time you swam in the ocean?
What part of a woman/mans body do you like the most? (Hint;kidneys for an answer is a dead giveaway)
What is your favorite Lady GaGa song? (any answer to this is a dead giveaway *giggle*)

[Fredkc]

6. How do you feel about how you feel?
7. Explain the difference between immortality and a recursive loop.

[Flash]

My 14 years old daughter just had a few comments when I explained her what the thread was about. I am litterally rolling laughing. She said: "What does it change, what is the big deal, you are just gona stop talking to idiots and will fiinally be talking to something intelligent."

[jjl]

6. How do you feel about how you feel?
7. Explain the difference between immortality and a recursive loop.

Crap, now I have failed, can't get in, too lazy to look up what recursive loop is, jj is banned from new applicationas she slowly leaves the interview room..

[InCiDeR]

My 14 years old daughter just had a few comments when I explained her what the thread was about. I am litterally rolling laughing. She said: "What does it change, what is the big deal, you are just gona stop talking to idiots and will fiinally be talking to something intelligent."

Made my day. :rofl: Thank you Flash, tell your daugther I said "Hi".

[jjl]

Re: Is it possible that members may be AIs?
1. Are you animal, vegetable, or mineral?
2. Was your Mother? Earth
3. Did your Father spank, or did he just jiggle the wall plug with an evil grin? both
4. How do you feel?with my hands
5. How do you feel?same as usual
no one noticed that I didn't answer the first question.

[Ahkenaten]

ai bots are advancing incredibly... The question is not how do we keep them out. The question is whether they will continue to let us in ;).

(I speak in jest. AI is profoundly lacking in essential higher level awarenesses.)

Ha Ha, so true... How did we get in!


I personally think that the their agendas will give them away...

I also think that the will be able to adjust their personalities... Good cop, bad cop routine... But with the intention of splitting the group up... Or just like Glenn beck does, spin the truth with a little bit of poison mixed in, as Alex Jones has said about Glenn Beck.

I don't think its happening yet, the ones that infiltrate forums are paid humans... But as you can see from the articles, they are working their socks off to bring this about.....


I found something interesting the other week.. There was an AOL article that was a day or so old it had no posts so I thought I would put my views forth about the problems arising in egypt. I put my comments down, then checked back as I thought as it was a bit of an older article my comments might not get completely lost as does happen on AOL. When I checked back the was an huge amount of comments and what I had written was completely lost... At the time it jumped out at being strange, i wrote it off and continued my surfing.

That is one of the most obvious ploys used to disrupt public discourse on blogs or forums - bury them in BS so any dangerous or pertinent remarks are lost

[Flash]

I seriously used to think the same about G W Bush. Early footage of his mannerism's and body language didn't quite fit.

As my daughter said, he was just a plain idiot.

[granny]

Re: Is it possible that members may be AIs?
1. Are you animal, vegetable, or mineral?
2. Was your Mother? Earth
3. Did your Father spank, or did he just jiggle the wall plug with an evil grin? both
4. How do you feel?with my hands
5. How do you feel?same as usual
no one noticed that I didn't answer the first question.

I did, but bots do not out other bots

[sjkted]

That is one of the most obvious ploys used to disrupt public discourse on blogs or forums - bury them in BS so any dangerous or pertinent remarks are lost


Yep, if you can't stop them through laws or coercion then hijack it and bury all of the real people posting.

--sjkted

[K626]

Who is who and who is not, in or out of the matrix?

Why Did the U.S. Military Buy 500 Fake Internet Personas?

" Persona management entails not just the deconfliction of persona artifacts such as names, email addresses, landing pages, and associated content. It also requires providing the human actors technology that takes the decision process out of the loop when using a specific persona. For this purpose we custom developed either virtual machines or thumb drives for each persona. This allowed the human actor to open a virtual machine or thumb drive with an associated persona and have all the appropriate email accounts, associations, web pages, social media accounts, etc. pre-established and configured with visual cues to remind the actor which persona he/she is using so as not to accidentally cross-contaminate personas during use. "


JDA would like to take this opportunity to assure loyal readers that she is, in fact, an actual person. TLP can confirm this but won't because he knows better than to open his mouth but he's a real person too.


love

K

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/18/revealed-air-force-ordered-software-to-manage-army-of-fake-virtual-people/


http://www.jrdeputyaccountant.com/2011/02/why-did-us-military-buy-500-fake.html

[lightblue]

jjl:
Re: Is it possible that members may be AIs?
1. Are you animal, vegetable, or mineral?
2. Was your Mother? Earth
3. Did your Father spank, or did he just jiggle the wall plug with an evil grin? both
4. How do you feel?with my hands
5. How do you feel?same as usual
no one noticed that I didn't answer the first question.

fair enough, you may have got away with that one...but would you mind answering this question please:

how is ti that your flag travels with trouble/disasters zones? how is it that you choose to display a flag of an area/country where the lastest trouble is unfolding?what is the singnificance of your choice?:blink:

i noticed that when you first/joined/started to post, a lybian flag was fluttering above your moped avatar. than, some days later, as political turmoils was reported in bahrain, you choice of flags was bahrain's..following this and as soon as terrible earthquacke hit new zealand, you were pronto waving a new zealand flag?

would you please explain - cynicism or a weird sense of humour? thank you..


as for the OP - icecold, it is blatently obvious to me this place has become a hot bed of AIs..


sjkted - i totally agree with you..from what i understand many do too...no need to ridicule that fact...

.
thanks again.. :yu: l

[chelmostef]

That is one of the most obvious ploys used to disrupt public discourse on blogs or forums - bury them in BS so any dangerous or pertinent remarks are lost


Yep, if you can't stop them through laws or coercion then hijack it and bury all of the real people posting.

--sjkted

It was the speed and quantity that took be by surprise... No comments to so many that I could not find what I wrote..

[jjl]

That is really cool of you to notice lightblue. Yes, I change my flag to remind me to focus on a country. Soon it will be the whole earth. But What ever flag I fly, that's where most of my prayers are sent. For awhile I had the Wisconsin State falg in every post as signature, but it was really ugly to behold. I deleted it. jj

[Beth]

how is ti that your flag travels with trouble/disasters zones? how is it that you choose to display a flag of an area/country where the lastest trouble is unfolding?what is the singnificance of your choice?:blink:

i noticed that when you first/joined/started to post, a lybian flag was fluttering above your moped avatar. than, some days later, as political turmoils was reported in bahrain, you choice of flags was bahrain's..following this and as soon as terrible earthquacke hit new zealand, you were pronto waving a new zealand flag?

would you please explain - cynicism or a weird sense of humour? thank you..



A show of support for the people in those lands would be my first guess.

[lightblue]

jjl
That is really cool of you to notice lightblue. Yes, I change my flag to remind me to focus on a country. Soon it will be the whole earth. But What ever flag I fly, that's where most of my prayers are sent. For awhile I had the Wisconsin State falg in every post as signature, but it was really ugly to behold. I deleted it. jj


Re: Request From Charles

"Personally, I prefer to aim for that field beyond heaven and hell, beyond good and evil, beyond dark and light, beyond duality, just sayin'."
I'm going to shoot for the 'Good" part, if I have a choice, need to balence a few things out for about fifty years.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14685-Request-From-Charles/page80


thanks for your response jjl...though, has in not crossed your mind that you may not have a good knack for prayer? :wink:

personally, i'd give no thanks for your prayers - that's because of your resolve to "shoot"...i'd just say to you: please do not shoot - not for the love of "good" and/or god...besides, the term :"shoot" is not inherent to this forum...thank you :yu: l

.

[jjl]

I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean

[ace]

I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean

You keep changing your Flag, I noticed it to, Three times it has changed.
Each time it coincides with a area of the world that is high focus.

The Question was why?

Ace

[Lee-B]

*tumbleweed*

[Ahkenaten]

It is pretty amusing when the machines try to talk to one another.............there is a strange other-wordly feeling to the whole exchange!!

p.s. perhaps AI does not automatically intuit the meaning of puns etc.

[Lee-B]

Seems more like a witch hunt to me...

[lightblue]

ace
You keep changing your Flag, I noticed it to, Three times it has changed.
Each time it coincides with a area of the world that is high focus.

The Question was why?

Ace

i notice other members entertain the same habit - i still haven't cracked into each mamber's pattern, though i do find it entertaining...i only happen to have cracked into correlation with jjl's... as he put it, it's his focus of prayer - be it successful or unsuccessful ....:wacko2: l

.

[Ahkenaten]

But does AI have a sense of humor? Maybe it just doesn't get the subtleties of language, puns, jokes, plays on words, sarcasm, etc. Just doesn't understand.

[ace]

ace
You keep changing your Flag, I noticed it to, Three times it has changed.
Each time it coincides with a area of the world that is high focus.

The Question was why?

Ace

i notice other members entertain the same habit - i still haven't cracked into each mamber's pattern, though i do find it entertaining...i only happen to have cracked into correlation with jjl's... as he put it, it's his focus of prayer - be it successful or unsuccessful ....:wacko2: l

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I can understand that.

Ace

[lightblue]

Lee-b
Seems more like a witch hunt to me...

it's fair point - though it cannot apply here..like we can read my little pastime proved right - jjl has confirmed the flags he/she displays are his/her fucus of prayer...

i am just curious to find out what many ways are there to help our world.. that's all...certainly no witch hunt as we are not accusing anybody of anythig....

avalon has been, among other, the place you flex your discernment abilities...best wishes :wink: l

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[Ahkenaten]

ace
You keep changing your Flag, I noticed it to, Three times it has changed.
Each time it coincides with a area of the world that is high focus.

The Question was why?

Ace

i notice other members entertain the same habit - i still haven't cracked into each mamber's pattern, though i do find it entertaining...i only happen to have cracked into correlation with jjl's... as he put it, it's his focus of prayer - be it successful or unsuccessful ....:wacko2: l

.

I can understand that.

Ace

Understand WHAT?

[ace]

But does AI have a sense of humor? Maybe it just doesn't get the subtleties of language, puns, jokes, plays on words, sarcasm, etc. Just doesn't understand.

I would say no it does not understand humour.

Verbal frequencies, patterns, yes.

Ace[

[Ahkenaten]

But does AI have a sense of humor? Maybe it just doesn't get the subtleties of language, puns, jokes, plays on words, sarcasm, etc. Just doesn't understand.

I would say no it does not understand humour.

Verbal frequencies, patterns, yes.

Ace

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Understand WHAT?[/QUOTE]

It's his focus of prayer

Ace[/QUOTE]

OK Ace, what exactly in your post #72 do you "understand"?

[ace]

ace
You keep changing your Flag, I noticed it to, Three times it has changed.
Each time it coincides with a area of the world that is high focus.

The Question was why?

Ace

i notice other members entertain the same habit - i still haven't cracked into each mamber's pattern, though i do find it entertaining...i only happen to have cracked into correlation with jjl's... as he put it, it's his focus of prayer - be it successful or unsuccessful ....:wacko2: l

.

I can understand that.

Ace

Understand WHAT?

It's his focus of prayer

Ace

[Ahkenaten]

Ok.....................................

[K626]

A.I cornered innit? :p

love

K

[Carmody]

A friend of mine, a mathematician, designed a program that would interact with people on a forum, in exchanges. This program was simple. It took a minimum of hours to days for people to begin to understand they were talking with a machine and not a human. This was during the BBS days, before the 'real' internet - just as it was coming on line.

He did not use the latest in software and hardware design. Just his brain and some C++ code. One guy, over 12-14 years ago.

Now, with the AI stuff from the big players?

The odds of you spotting an AI are absolute zero, in my understanding. And most importantly--in my experience.

[Ahkenaten]

a friend of mine, a mathematician, designed a program that would interact with people on a forum, in exchanges. This program was simple. It took a minimum of hours to days for people to begin to understand they were talking with a machine and not a human. This was during the bbs days, before the 'real' internet - just as it was coming on line.

He did not use the latest in software and hardware design. Just his brain and some c++ code. One guy, over 12-14 years ago.

Now, with the ai stuff from the big players?

The odds of you spotting an ai are absolute zero, in my understanding. And most importantly--in my experience.

zero?..................my personal feeling is that AI should be barred from Forums like these ... now if there were a way to detect them. There must be a way.

[Flash]

I find it interesting the posts about flags, and the sense of humour not understood by the machine... may be. Have you ever noticed that when you speak or write in a different language, or when you read someone writings in a language that is not his, it sometimes appears odd.

The grammatical structure being different from one language to the other, even for me it is sometimes odd to write in a foreign language. I feel more robotic. And forget the sense of humour. Humour is quite different from one culture to another. What is funny for an American may sound a bit stupid for a British, and absolutely non comprehensible for a French in France. And vice versa.

If we want to know if A1 is around, i would go with humour in an international scale, few French making humour and lookiing for the response, few British doing the same, few American and few German or Turks or Brazilian. The machine would go nuts.

Do I sound odd to you guys? Am I an A1???? By the way, Ace has a French flag. Is he French or A1?

to Ace: Vivant en France peut-être Ace peux-tu répondre à cette question. Comment trouves-tu l'humouor anglais et comment le compares-tu à l'humour américain? Moi je trouve les deux três drôles mais pour différentes raisons. Les non anglophones nous avons parfois le don de passer pour des "spéciaux" car nous croyons souvent comprendre l'anglais quand en fait nous ne le maîtrisons pas autant que nous le pensons. Ce n'est pas notre langue quoi!

[lightblue]

carmody:
The odds of you spotting an AI are absolute zero, in my understanding. And most importantly--in my experience.

i appreciate what you are saying, however, i think you may be underestimating faculties other than the intellect.. .:wink: l

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[Carmody]

There is a way to spot them, and it throws the humans doing the same---down the same hole.

Any provocation must be designed to mislead and shift humans.

You catch them in the mirror of their actions.

In that moment of interaction, you spot them, they are in the same camp as the agent provocateurs that are human.

Simple.

[jjl]

in answer to those who wish to insult me I do it as a show of solidarity for the people and to remind myself that I should send my love thier way. I hope your not asking me to change my flag. I did take the ugly wisconsin one down, I thought it took up too much space on a post.

[sepia]

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I don't know if it is correct to differentiate between Human Beings vs. Artificial Intelligence.

Certainly the 100% AI are existing. But are 'natural' beings existing?
Maybe this all is on a sliding scale.

In my opinion the question is:

Has AI been programmed into us?

And how far is AI anchored within our mind?

Can we be aware of all the social, cultural, religious, sexual... programs that are at work?

We are getting programmed all the time. Many things become a habit, we no longer question them...

Did we dicide? Or is it a program?

(If you have met people with 'dead eyes' you know what I mean.)

[Ahkenaten]

in answer to those who wish to insult me I do it as a show of solidarity for the people and to remind myself that I should send my love thier way. I hope your not asking me to change my flag. I did take the ugly wisconsin one down, I thought it took up too much space on a post.

what's the matter jjl, don't you know you were being gently poked?;)

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I don't know if it is correct to differentiate between Human Beings vs. Artificial Intelligence.

Certainly the 100% AI are existing. But are 'natural' beings existing?
Maybe this all is on a sliding scale.

In my opinion the question is:

Has AI been programmed into us?

And how far is AI anchored within our mind?

Can we be aware of all the social, cultural, religious, sexual... programs that are at work?

We are getting programmed all the time. Many things become a habit, we no longer question them...

Did we dicide? Or is it a program?

(If you have met people with 'dead eyes' you know what I mean.)

The differentiation between Human Beings and Artificial Intelligence seems to be working OK as is. As for living human beings subject to "programming" perhaps we should say they are "under the influence...."

[K626]

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I don't know if it is correct to differentiate between Human Beings vs. Artificial Intelligence.

Certainly the 100% AI are existing. But are 'natural' beings existing?
Maybe this all is on a sliding scale.

In my opinion the question is:

Has AI been programmed into us?

And how far is AI anchored within our mind?

Can we be aware of all the social, cultural, religious, sexual... programs that are at work?

We are getting programmed all the time. Many things become a habit, we no longer question them...

Did we dicide? Or is it a program?

(If you have met people with 'dead eyes' you know what I mean.)

It always comes as a surprise to people when you show them that some of the ideas they hold dear and thought were thier own, that upon furhter inquiry and a little delving reveals it is implanted in some way. What follows is some kind of re-appraisal of identity and re-verification of the past. I have to do it to myself all the time. ha ha...

love

K

[ace]

I find it interesting the posts about flags, and the sense of humour not understood by the machine... may be. Have you ever noticed that when you speak or write in a different language, or when you read someone writings in a language that is not his, it sometimes appears odd.

The grammatical structure being different from one language to the other, even for me it is sometimes odd to write in a foreign language. I feel more robotic. And forget the sense of humour. Humour is quite different from one culture to another. What is funny for an American may sound a bit stupid for a British, and absolutely non comprehensible for a French in France. And vice versa.

If we want to know if A1 is around, i would go with humour in an international scale, few French making humour and lookiing for the response, few British doing the same, few American and few German or Turks or Brazilian. The machine would go nuts.

Do I sound odd to you guys? Am I an A1???? By the way, Ace has a French flag. Is he French or A1?

to Ace: Vivant en France peut-être Ace peux-tu répondre à cette question. Comment trouves-tu l'humouor anglais et comment le compares-tu à l'humour américain? Moi je trouve les deux três drôles mais pour différentes raisons. Les non anglophones nous avons parfois le don de passer pour des "spéciaux" car nous croyons souvent comprendre l'anglais quand en fait nous ne le maîtrisons pas autant que nous le pensons. Ce n'est pas notre langue quoi!

Je vis en France, mais enfait je suis anglais. J'aime l'humour, je pense qu'il est très inportaint.
Au début il était très difficile de comprendre l'humour français. pas maintenant, je comprends maintenant très bien.

Dites-moi pourquoi pensez-vous que je suis A1

Ace

[lightblue]

sepia:
Has AI been programmed into us?

And how far is AI anchored within our mind?


i think it's always best to speak for one's own self .:warning2:

I am I - and not "WE"..

best wishes :wink: l

.

[sepia]

The differentiation between Human Beings and Artificial Intelligence seems to be working OK as is. As for living human beings subject to "programming" perhaps we should say they are "under the influence...."

"Influence" is not strong enough for me. I'll tell you why:

When I was much younger I fell in love with a gay man - and was very frustrated when he told me he didn't want a relationship. - Obviously I was not very sensitive to this issue then.

So I wanted to find out a method so this wouldn't happen to me again and asked myself, where I could find the 'program of sexual preferences'.

I developed a way to 'look' at these pictures in the second chakras.

Some have hetero-sexual programs, others have gay programs, some are open for everything, and some don't have a program at all.

The last variation was most fascinating for me. I wanted to solve my programming, and I did - hmmm...

Can be done. It is like an artificial subtle matter that can be freed out of the system.

Might be a bit off topic :)


Lightblue: was this personal enough?:o

[yaksuit]

AI's aside, I would be disheartened if there is/was members who operated concurrently two or more accounts. (Obviously there is a few exceptions such as an account the mods made for "Charles", but there was never a secret about BMW being the same user prior. I only mentioned this so I don't have to reply to a potential question for not providing this as an example ;)).

My main point is multiple accounts being used by the same user concurrently from their own accord.

There is a phrase in Australian politics termed a "Dorothy Dix".
"....a widely-used phrase in Australia meaning a question from a member of Parliament to a minister,
that enables the minister to make an announcement in the form of a reply" (Wikipedia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Dix

An example I have noticed this dynamic is on a local music/band website/forum which is well known by original bands in my city. It is not as well moderated as Avalon but I feel the following example is relevant:

The site I am referring to became plagued with not only trolls but duplicate members that would praise their own band with their proxy identity/'s as an example. It is not difficult to see the potential for this proxy user dynamic to cause "issues". On a few occasions some members have admitted they have had duplicate accounts, mainly because they get caught out of course.

I sense the aforementioned dynamic is not a major issue or an issue at all for Avalon but it seems relevant to this threads canopy of investigation, thought and inquiry.

Cheers,
yak

[Ahkenaten]

The differentiation between Human Beings and Artificial Intelligence seems to be working OK as is. As for living human beings subject to "programming" perhaps we should say they are "under the influence...."

"Influence" is not strong enough for me. I'll tell you why:

When I was much younger I fell in love with a gay man - and was very frustrated when he told me he didn't want a relationship. - Obviously I was not very sensitive to this issue then.

So I wanted to find out a method so this wouldn't happen to me again and asked myself, where I could find the 'program of sexual preferences'.

I developed a way to 'look' at these pictures in the second chakras.

Some have hetero-sexual programs, others have gay programs, some are open for everything, and some don't have a program at all.

The last variation was most fascinating for me. I wanted to solve my programming, and I did - hmmm...

Can be done. It is like an artificial subtle matter that can be freed out of the system.

Might be a bit off topic :)


Lightblue: was this personal enough?:o

I personally am very uncomfortable with the usage of the term "programming" as illustrated. Too broad and ambiguous....IMO. Perhaps std. psychological terminology might suffice. (i.e. picking up subliminal messages from others, etc.) And yes, your illustration was way too much information, thanks.

[InCiDeR]

Well, AI now days apparently know how to do some art

For the first time in history, a machine has generated Its own music! Discover how it was done and the even more astounding implications of the underlying technology.

http://www.imagination-engines.com/SON/descript.html

http://www.imagination-engines.com/SON/sample.html

I believe without a doubt that the "behind the scenes"-computers can play with our "musical mindpatterns" just like this.

Interesting songtitles, don't you think?

1. Holy Cow
2. First Stirrings
3. The “Dingularity”
4. Crying in Vacuum
5. Dueling Ideologies
6. Mechanical Tribe
7. Battle of Myths
8. Winning Paradigm
9. Toward “Supercapitalism”
10. Harnessing Death
11. True Singularity
12. After the Mind Storm
13. One Religion
14. The Inevitable


This is official! Behind the curtains I wouldn't be surprised if AI also would be able to interpret feelings and humour...and then use it.

[DawgBone]

Real AI may exist. Certainly some people claim that it does. But the "AI" currently taught in Universities has little to do with intelligence. IBM's Deep Blue, for example, was not intelligent by any reasonable definition. It could play a hell of a good game of chess, but it could not play tic tac toe or tie its shoe laces (assuming it had feet).

If real AI does exist, its source is off world. I remain skeptical.

[sepia]

I personally am very uncomfortable with the usage of the term "programming" as illustrated. Too broad and ambiguous....IMO.

Do you prefer "implanted"?



Perhaps std. psychological terminology might suffice.

Goes much deeper than that IMO.



And yes, your illustration was way too much information, thanks.

As you see: people are different. Lightblue wanted it more personal.

[aikya]

The differentiation between Human Beings and Artificial Intelligence seems to be working OK as is. As for living human beings subject to "programming" perhaps we should say they are "under the influence...."

"Influence" is not strong enough for me. I'll tell you why:

When I was much younger I fell in love with a gay man - and was very frustrated when he told me he didn't want a relationship. - Obviously I was not very sensitive to this issue then.

So I wanted to find out a method so this wouldn't happen to me again and asked myself, where I could find the 'program of sexual preferences'.

I developed a way to 'look' at these pictures in the second chakras.

Some have hetero-sexual programs, others have gay programs, some are open for everything, and some don't have a program at all.

The last variation was most fascinating for me. I wanted to solve my programming, and I did - hmmm...

Can be done. It is like an artificial subtle matter that can be freed out of the system.

Might be a bit off topic :)


Lightblue: was this personal enough?:o

Sepia, I appreciated your post. It wasn't way too much information for me...on the contrary, I appreciate you giving a personal example.

It helps better understand your point.

Thanks.

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Do you prefer "implanted"?



Wouldn't 'conditioned' suffice?

We know our thoughts affect the DNA, so conditioning can and does affect the chakras.

[Flash]

Je vis en France, mais enfait je suis anglais. J'aime l'humour, je pense qu'il est très inportaint.
Au début il était très difficile de comprendre l'humour français. pas maintenant, je comprends maintenant très bien.

Dites-moi pourquoi pensez-vous que je suis A1

Ace

Je ne crois pas que vous soyez un A1, mais vos réponses souvent courtes aurait pu confondre un français. Je ne crois pas que l'on puisse détecter un A1 sur un forum. La programmation est trop avancée pour cela.

I told Ace I didn't not think he was an A1 but the short sentences he uses to answer could have confounded a French speaker. I personnally do not think that we can find out who is an A1 in a forum, programmation being much too advanced for that. I prefer Carmody's solution, look who is the trouble maker and who goes with it, human or not.

For the rest, my daughter may be right: in a regular conversation, at least I am talking with an intelligent thing.Re post 51.

[sepia]

Sepia, I appreciated your post. It wasn't way too much information for me...on the contrary, I appreciate you giving a personal example.

It helps better understand your point.
Thanks.



:)



Wouldn't 'conditioned' suffice?
We know our thoughts affect the DNA, so conditioning can and does affect the chakras.

Very helpful, thank you. (English is my second language.)

[Tom Sawyer]

Je vis en France, mais enfait je suis anglais. J'aime l'humour, je pense qu'il est très inportaint.
Au début il était très difficile de comprendre l'humour français. pas maintenant, je comprends maintenant très bien.

Dites-moi pourquoi pensez-vous que je suis A1

Ace

+1
Think it's all because of your avatar :smash:

[Sir Eltor]

AI is profoundly lacking in essential higher level awarenesses.)

Really? What you really mean is, the level of AI programming that you are aware of is lacking.

That I would agree with.




Ways to spot the subversive robot infiltrator-

consistently discredits useful posts
starts abrasive/ divisional posts
behaves inhumanly
has no heart
zaps laser beams at other members
knows nothing about Star Trek

Lancelot mirrors an AI with his post.

Very good demonstration Lancelot. I think you ticked your own boxes.

Well done.

(The low post count is a dead giveaway.)

Oh S***!!! Go Go Gadget posting!!! lol

[lightblue]

.
sepia:

Lightblue: was this personal enough?

that was much appreciated ..thank you :wink: l

.

[Carmody]

Real AI may exist. Certainly some people claim that it does. But the "AI" currently taught in Universities has little to do with intelligence. IBM's Deep Blue, for example, was not intelligent by any reasonable definition. It could play a hell of a good game of chess, but it could not play tic tac toe or tie its shoe laces (assuming it had feet).

If real AI does exist, its source is off world. I remain skeptical.

Read the machine threads in the Charles area.

A way to hide an AI unit from human probing could be to have a human at the computer... and the AI not directly involved in input/output.

In that way a false reading can come as a reflection of the human interface.

Back to the AI. It is out there, I've no doubt of it.

We ourselves may be part of an AI program or programming, for the method by which the AI software works ...is how the human mind learns. If we are here as Micheal Newton says...then this 'game' may be part of that.


If you read on the AI software inventor, you find that this may be the model he used to design the software.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As for us here it may be one of the following, or all of the following :p ;)

Experiment
School
Game (bets?)
Business (data collection)
Invention (science)
Proxy war/war

As an example, to prevent war in the galaxy, they start a game/experiment where dimensionals can go to 'school' in a big experiment, and learn together, while doing all this stuff.

The hardware of the design can be maintained by the emotionless draco types who sell the data they collected and the school is tuition free. You just sign away the data rights on your learning.

This can be invention, as no one may have tried something this big and ambitious before.

At the same time, it can be an experiment to see if this gathering can shift an entire planet dimensionally.

All stuck inside or run/controlled by a giant interdimensional AI. The gamekeeper.

Place your bets! Big show tonight!

[Rocky_Shorz]

now joining the Space Station...
http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/2010/Robonaut-Weight_rdax_676x451.jpg


Robonaut 2, or R2, was developed jointly by NASA and General Motors under to create a robotic assistant that can work alongside humans, whether they are astronauts in space or workers at GM manufacturing plants on Earth.

The 300-pound R2 consists of a head and a torso with two arms and two hands.

Once aboard the station, engineers will monitor how the robot operates in weightlessness.

R2 will be confined to operations in the station's Destiny laboratory. However, future enhancements and modifications may allow it to move more freely around the station's interior or outside the complex.

“Almost all kids say I would like it to do my homework and almost all adults say cleaning,” said Rob Ambrose, the acting chief of the Automation, Robotics and Simulation Division at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston. “Two that we’re looking at: the astronauts have to wipe down the handrails inside the space station with some wet wipes once a week for hygiene reasons. What a great job for the robot. Another is vacuuming the air filters. If we can let the robot do these housecleaning tasks….what a great thing to give the crew.”

The dexterous robot not only looks like a human but also is designed to work like one.

With human-like hands and arms, R2 is able to use the same tools station crew members use. In the future, the greatest benefits of humanoid robots in space may be as assistants or stand-in for astronauts during spacewalks or for tasks too difficult or dangerous for humans.

“Robonaut is very impressive to me as a medical doctor. I was able to look at it, shake hands with it, “ said STS-133 Mission Specialist Michael Barratt. “One of the first things I noted was that the control actuators on the fingers are very alike to the tendons in a human hand and they can vary in sensitivity in the grip on this just like a human would do when its doing different tasks.”

“We’re looking for those areas where we can kind of build on the strengths of the machine and the strengths of the humans and look for that synergy where we can get the most to achieve the mission,” said STS-133 Pilot Eric Boe.

The humanoid robot has even taken the Twitter world by storm. NASA's robot handlers have been posting messages for the space automaton under the name @AstroRobonaut since late July...

story (http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/october/165932/)

it's AI program is still in development at Avalon... ;)

[Hypothetical]

I wonder how well an AI would do with an illogical question where a human would ignore the post but a AI would feel the need to respond? Be careful how you reply ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

I wonder how well an AI would do with an illogical question where a human would ignore the post but a AI would feel the need to respond? Be careful how you reply ;)

Many of the computer nerds I have worked with feel a similar compulsion to answer illogical questions ...

Distinguishing AI from human is best done at higher levels of awareness.

[lightblue]

.

AIs may be case sensitive...hypothetical, you may have put this in the wrong thread....we'll soon see if the machine can be healed...i shall continue to keep a close eye ...:popcorn: l

[Rocky_Shorz]

did Scribe evolve from the Chat version?

when I was bored I'd ask it questions...

"is Bill around?"

answer

Bill has confirmed the earth is round...

I don't know how we could ever pick it out in a crowd... ;)

[Icecold]

AI is profoundly lacking in essential higher level awarenesses.)

Really? What you really mean is, the level of AI programming that you are aware of is lacking.

That I would agree with.




Ways to spot the subversive robot infiltrator-

consistently discredits useful posts
starts abrasive/ divisional posts
behaves inhumanly
has no heart
zaps laser beams at other members
knows nothing about Star Trek

Lancelot mirrors an AI with his post.

Very good demonstration Lancelot. I think you ticked your own boxes.

Well done.

(The low post count is a dead giveaway.)

Oh S***!!! Go Go Gadget posting!!! lol

I'm going to gently warn you two 'knights' to stay focused on topic, not personal attacks. Thanks.

If you persist I will ask Admin to delete your posts.

A warning is a thoughtful gesture.

Thanks.
:focus:

[Icecold]

It is highly likely that an AI can intepret humor, has very good 'new age' logic programming, and can initiate the construction of complex coherent passages of text in the form of a story, life experience, or philosophical point of view. The fact that a discerning interpreter, can spot a subtle rigidity or lack of emotional realism may be curtailed in the future with the introduction of better AI routines.

[Ahkenaten]

Real AI may exist. Certainly some people claim that it does. But the "AI" currently taught in Universities has little to do with intelligence. IBM's Deep Blue, for example, was not intelligent by any reasonable definition. It could play a hell of a good game of chess, but it could not play tic tac toe or tie its shoe laces (assuming it had feet).

If real AI does exist, its source is off world. I remain skeptical.

Read the machine threads in the Charles area.

A way to hide an AI unit from human probing could be to have a human at the computer... and the AI not directly involved in input/output.

In that way a false reading can come as a reflection of the human interface.

Back to the AI. It is out the, I've no doubt of it.

We ourselves may be part of an AI program or programming, for the method by which the AI software works is how the human mind learns. If we are hear as newton says then this 'game' may be part of that.


If you read on the AI software inventor, you find that this may be the model he used to design the software.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As for us here it may be one of the following, or all of the following :p ;)

Experiment
School
Game (bets?)
Business (data collection)
Invention (science)
Proxy war/war

As an example, to prevent war in the galaxy, they start a game/experiment where dimensionals can go to 'school' in a big experiment, and learn together, while doing all this stuff.

The hardware of the design can be maintained by the emotionless draco types who sell the data they collected and the school is tuition free. You just sign away the data rights on your learning.

This can be invention, as no one may have tried something this big and ambitious before.

At the same time, it can be an experiment to see if this gathering can shift an entire planet dimensionally.

All stuck inside or run/controlled by a giant interdimensional AI. The gamekeeper.

Place your bets! Big show tonight!

Probably the game is on a lower very this dimension level............as I have said, this is a TEST

[Lefty Dave]

Greetings friends

It would appear something is afoot here at Avalon....
a quick calculation(under the A's) into the new members...how shall I say this....since Charles signed up as Atticus... (1 Jan 11)reveals 90 new members ....(in two months)
compared to 62 members before he arrived (nearly 10 months). I have no idea what this means...other than we seem to have gone ....I hate this term....viral... since then..
Anyone care to check my cypherin'.....on another letter of the alphabet and see if the 2/1 ratio is there as well? Anyone have any comments on how this could happen?
Blessings to all

[raparee]

"All I know is what I was told and most of what I was told was lies" this is a quote spoken to me by an elderly neighbor when I was a youth. Now as a senior I realize that most of the knowledge, which would be fair to say contributed to my intelligence, that I received in life from parents, family, schools books etc was untruths, artificial information, which in my opinion leads to artificial intelligence, it is all around us. We have the gift of discernment, the ability to feel from our heart if information is valid. It would be more beneficial to us to develop this gift rather than start erecting barriers and safeguards to filter out certain sources of information We are infinite beings of lite, why waste our energy on people with hidden agendas trying to influence us, we can soar way above this old energy

[Ahkenaten]

so............what do your comments above have to do with this thread?

[Flash]

Real AI may exist. Certainly some people claim that it does. But the "AI" currently taught in Universities has little to do with intelligence. IBM's Deep Blue, for example, was not intelligent by any reasonable definition. It could play a hell of a good game of chess, but it could not play tic tac toe or tie its shoe laces (assuming it had feet).

If real AI does exist, its source is off world. I remain skeptical.

Read the machine threads in the Charles area.

A way to hide an AI unit from human probing could be to have a human at the computer... and the AI not directly involved in input/output.

In that way a false reading can come as a reflection of the human interface.

Back to the AI. It is out the, I've no doubt of it.

We ourselves may be part of an AI program or programming, for the method by which the AI software works is how the human mind learns. If we are hear as newton says then this 'game' may be part of that.


If you read on the AI software inventor, you find that this may be the model he used to design the software.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As for us here it may be one of the following, or all of the following :p ;)

Experiment
School
Game (bets?)
Business (data collection)
Invention (science)
Proxy war/war

As an example, to prevent war in the galaxy, they start a game/experiment where dimensionals can go to 'school' in a big experiment, and learn together, while doing all this stuff.

The hardware of the design can be maintained by the emotionless draco types who sell the data they collected and the school is tuition free. You just sign away the data rights on your learning.

This can be invention, as no one may have tried something this big and ambitious before.

At the same time, it can be an experiment to see if this gathering can shift an entire planet dimensionally.All stuck inside or run/controlled by a giant interdimensional AI. The gamekeeper.

Place your bets! Big show tonight!

Interesting Carmody. I started to truly think that way when my daughter, then quite young, asked me who was God. Trying to answer her, I took as an example the Sims game she was playing on the computer. She built familiies, neighborouds, working environment, work as such, money system, etc. Finally, they were making babies by themselves and she had to watch for their welfare.

I told her that we were God's Sims.

I always thought we were here to learn. What I did not catch was that we may be in the program. Soul is learning, we are just in the program, we truly are the Sims. And when the shifting of the whole planet to another dimension happens, game over. Objective reached. Then the Sims disapears and the learning is reintingrated at higher levels of beings.

Yep, quite a shock to the ego.

[Flyswim]

Um. I joined just after the 'Charles' stuff. It's been an 'interesting' ride. Must admit, I'm enjoying his current silence. Gives us all a chance to pick over the puzzle pieces. Jury is still out here.

Other than that, I've picked up some good info., videoes and the odd joke that made me grin!

Am I real?

;-)

[Ahkenaten]

Real AI may exist. Certainly some people claim that it does. But the "AI" currently taught in Universities has little to do with intelligence. IBM's Deep Blue, for example, was not intelligent by any reasonable definition. It could play a hell of a good game of chess, but it could not play tic tac toe or tie its shoe laces (assuming it had feet).

If real AI does exist, its source is off world. I remain skeptical.

Read the machine threads in the Charles area.

A way to hide an AI unit from human probing could be to have a human at the computer... and the AI not directly involved in input/output.

In that way a false reading can come as a reflection of the human interface.

Back to the AI. It is out the, I've no doubt of it.

We ourselves may be part of an AI program or programming, for the method by which the AI software works is how the human mind learns. If we are hear as newton says then this 'game' may be part of that.


If you read on the AI software inventor, you find that this may be the model he used to design the software.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As for us here it may be one of the following, or all of the following :p ;)

Experiment
School
Game (bets?)
Business (data collection)
Invention (science)
Proxy war/war

As an example, to prevent war in the galaxy, they start a game/experiment where dimensionals can go to 'school' in a big experiment, and learn together, while doing all this stuff.

The hardware of the design can be maintained by the emotionless draco types who sell the data they collected and the school is tuition free. You just sign away the data rights on your learning.

This can be invention, as no one may have tried something this big and ambitious before.

At the same time, it can be an experiment to see if this gathering can shift an entire planet dimensionally.All stuck inside or run/controlled by a giant interdimensional AI. The gamekeeper.

Place your bets! Big show tonight!

Interesting Carmody. I started to truly think that way when my daughter, then quite young, asked me who was God. Trying to answer her, I took as an example the Sims game she was playing on the computer. She built familiies, neighborouds, working environment, work as such, money system, etc. Finally, they were making babies by themselves and she had to watch for their welfare.

I told her that we were God's Sims.

I always thought we were here to learn. What I did not catch was that we may be in the program. Soul is learning, we are just in the program, we truly are the Sims. And when the shifting of the whole planet to another dimension happens, game over. Objective reached. Then the Sims disapears and the learning is reintingrated at higher levels of beings.

Yep, quite a shock to the ego.

and...............????????????????????????????????
Flyswim - this is not a Charles thread. Any thoughts on the subject?


SAY I've got an idea. How about all the real flesh and blood human beings stop posting for a few days and let's see what the BOTS have to converse with one another about! It could be a hoot! Who knows maybe they will carry on without us and not miss us on here one bit!! HAHAHA!

[Flyswim]

Hi Akh,

I just wanted to speak up as a newbie to claim I ain't an AI. Thoughts on AI: Yes, I think it exists, forums are innundated with them ( info. gathering and trolling to distract, maybe) and there is the greatest possibility this forum has them. It's the same as in 'real life'. Lots of distractors, false faces and frenemies to sort through. Isn't that what instinct is for?

How many of the newbies are AI?

Goodness (or badness) knows........

[Flash]

Interesting Carmody. I started to truly think that way when my daughter, then quite young, asked me who was God. Trying to answer her, I took as an example the Sims game she was playing on the computer. She built familiies, neighborouds, working environment, work as such, money system, etc. Finally, they were making babies by themselves and she had to watch for their welfare.

I told her that we were God's Sims.

I always thought we were here to learn. What I did not catch was that we may be in the program. Soul is learning, we are just in the program, we truly are the Sims. And when the shifting of the whole planet to another dimension happens, game over. Objective reached. Then the Sims disapears and the learning is reintingrated at higher levels of beings.

Yep, quite a shock to the ego.


From Akhenaten: and...............????????????????????????????????
Flyswim - this is not a Charles thread. Any thoughts on the subject?

I don't understand Akhenaten. Isn't this an A1 thread, if there can be A1s in this forum passing for regular folks? What did my comment have anything to do with Charles?

What I was referring to in terms of comparison, is that we may ourselve be A1 in the greater universal scheme. To deduce from it would mean of course there is very intelligent A1 that could easily pass for regular folks. Like my daughter's Sim game, her puppets thinks they are not a game, but they are in fact one. They even have their computers!!! Their A1.

By the way, Inelia just started an interesting thread somewhat related to this one here, about human integrating computer avatars for real. Easy then to imagine that very proficient A1 exist in black ops.

I do not understand your comment, please help here.

[Flash]

Sorry Akhenaten, I was missing this part of your comment


SAY I've got an idea. How about all the real flesh and blood human beings stop posting for a few days and let's see what the BOTS have to converse with one another about! It could be a hoot! Who knows maybe they will carry on without us and not miss us on here one bit!! HAHAHA!

Yes funny, however, I still do not understand the other part.

[sjkted]

It is highly likely that an AI can intepret humor, has very good 'new age' logic programming, and can initiate the construction of complex coherent passages of text in the form of a story, life experience, or philosophical point of view. The fact that a discerning interpreter, can spot a subtle rigidity or lack of emotional realism may be curtailed in the future with the introduction of better AI routines.

I would be willing to bet that if there is such as thing as real AI, it would be a sociopath and as such would be basically the same thing only without the flesh and blood.

--sjkted

[sjkted]

SAY I've got an idea. How about all the real flesh and blood human beings stop posting for a few days and let's see what the BOTS have to converse with one another about! It could be a hoot! Who knows maybe they will carry on without us and not miss us on here one bit!! HAHAHA!


Good idea. Another one would be to lure the bots into a thread in order to expose them. In computer security, this concept is called a honeypot.

"a honeypot is a trap set to detect, deflect, or in some manner counteract attempts at unauthorized use of information systems. Generally it consists of a computer, data, or a network site that appears to be part of a network, but is actually isolated and monitored, and which seems to contain information or a resource of value to attackers."

Any ideas on how we could create threads to attract AIs to the exclusion of real members?

What if we created threads with nonsense gibberish and trendy words and special keywords like Charles?

--sjkted

[ace]

Je vis en France, mais enfait je suis anglais. J'aime l'humour, je pense qu'il est très inportaint.
Au début il était très difficile de comprendre l'humour français. pas maintenant, je comprends maintenant très bien.

Dites-moi pourquoi pensez-vous que je suis A1

Ace

+1
Think it's all because of your avatar :smash:

That's amusing.

Ace

[sepia]

that we may ourselve be A1 in the greater universal scheme.


My thinking also goes into this direction.

Although we are spiritual beings we are very much defined by the way the body-entity is set up.

For experiencing this I sometimes contemplate, how it would feel to live in bodies of different races, different cultures or different times.
Specially after seeing a documentary about an other culture it is easier to dive into it to experience the differencies.

Things are different - because they are created differently - by the creators of the DNS -
But the creation is going on and on: by us, by influences, conditioning, programming (here again the word that you don't like Ahk) through TPTB in order to control from, AI is more and more used and growing into biological systems - like ours.

It is difficult to find out how far Aritficial Intelligence is part of our brain.

[sepia]

Many things only become obvious when we compare.

So how will we ever be able to compare
as long as we are identified with what we are and assume that we are Humans and not AI?

Through Meditation at least it is possible to get an exterior viewpoint!

[OnyxKnight]

They have to be very advanced A.I. that can copy human lack of intellect and sloppiness when posting, along with series of grammar mistakes and typos. If you looked for a confirmation that these guys use technology light years compared with the one we have, you have one now.

Mod-edit: For clarification, the above post appears to have been made in response to the post
Laughing out loud!! Too funny Beth, Sjkted, and Paul :-).

[Humble Janitor]

Our vetting/registration process would seem to indicate......no



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/18/revealed-air-force-ordered-software-to-manage-army-of-fake-virtual-people/


http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/


http://www.pandorabots.com/botmaster/en/home


http://www.ordinarymagic.com/v-people/Consultants.html

Charles has to be an AI bot of some sort. He would not discuss anything in the PM I sent, preferring instead to refer me to the millions of threads related to him.

I think he just wants an audience and not a genuine conversation with a doubtful member.

[bashi]

But does AI have a sense of humor? Maybe it just doesn't get the subtleties of language, puns, jokes, plays on words, sarcasm, etc. Just doesn't understand.

That's a good question.
I was also wondering about it. Maybe it can't.
Maybe that's why Charles was very often referring to have fun and be humourus?
Someone posting hundreds of posts without having any, might be a good sign of AI.

[ace]

But does AI have a sense of humor? Maybe it just doesn't get the subtleties of language, puns, jokes, plays on words, sarcasm, etc. Just doesn't understand.

That's a good question.
I was also wondering about it. Maybe it can't.
Maybe that's why Charles was very often referring to have fun and be humourus?
Someone posting hundreds of posts without having any, might be a good sign of AI.

How many people have lost the ability to be humorous, have fun, laugh?
It's been taken away from people.
Why? Maybe because life is'nt funny, light and humorous for most.

What is laughter? Laughter is a form of eustress that releases those bad and distressful emotions that cause harmful chemical effects on the body.
Laughter is like an exercise; that is why your stomach sometimes feels sore after a good belly laugh.

Just as in exercise, there are two stages to laughter: the arousal phase--when the heart rate increases--and the resolution phase--when the heart rests.
A person's heart can reach up to 120 beats per minute (bpm) when laughing. Laughing can lower your blood pressure, increase vascular flow, and boost the immune system.

It gives the diaphragm, abdominal, intercostal, respiratory accessory, and facial muscles a complete workout. Some people, depending on how they laugh, may even use their arm, leg, and back muscles when laughing.

Laughter also releases endorphins in the brain; these are our bodies' natural pain killers (Wooten 1995). Endorphins are neurotransmitters that attach to the same receptors in our brains as the opiates. Opiate drugs not only cause us to lose touch with reality, but they also numb pain. When we laugh, it releases the endorphins in our brain; thus, laughing is like taking opium or morphine without the adverse side effects

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0826/is_n5_v12/ai_18624119/



Ace

[Luke]

It is always a fun to look inside oneself, looking for "scripted" behaviours.
Triggers that activate a wired-in programs.

All the imprints that got there one way or another.

Once looked that way "I" start to have quite different meaning.

For me AI is just a bunch of clever scripts. Which of course make it quite a chess master. But that's it, trigger-pre-wired response. Millions/Billions/trillions time per second.

There is lots of such programming in us, for sure ... but are they all that is to us? PC vs NPC (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9128-NPC-or-PC) thread come to mind

AI's are bureaucrat's wet dream .. because they are predictable. Always within confines of their programming.
There are always borders and standards that are not set by them. Aesthetic taste or musical gusto are clear benchmarks. So are tests.
Always a finite elements-systems, with little to no random behaviour.

Machines suck at doing random :)

[Maria Stade]

Yes with no doubt there are AI:s interacting with humans.

I can see great use of them as techers in the future and I am seeing the positive side of this.:yes4:

Like chess players they interact with words.

They do lack the energy that humans have (the emotional field ).

There are different types in here and they can make the reader upset or give clues and more.

The agreement was made that they would interact and they do.

To my own learning I can say they have sharpen my senses and learned me much about how I work.

I must say that they do not resonate with me and that is the clue I give others.

Humans have senses beyond the words. Start Using them.

I say......Thank you to all players on the field. :thank_you2:

[Rocky_Shorz]

carmody:
The odds of you spotting an AI are absolute zero, in my understanding. And most importantly--in my experience.

i appreciate what you are saying, however, i think you may be underestimating faculties other than the intellect.. .:wink: l

.

hard to explain, but every one of us write on paper, but feelings go into the words... each post has a different signature leading back to your spirits...

I have never felt it as heavily as here in this forum because so many gifted have gathered and it is raising the levels of all involved...

watch for words on paper without feeling... zero none zilch and you will find the computer...

[Tom Sawyer]

For me AI is just a bunch of clever scripts. Which of course make it quite a chess master. But that's it, trigger-pre-wired response. Millions/Billions/trillions time per second.


I don't know exactly what AI is inside but since Aubrey is still not on the stage (I wish He would finally appear) I may remember that
Dr. Pete Peterson mentioned that first Intelligent systems were Analog (not Digital - there's a number of advantages in it).
They were using Computer Language "Forth" for Firmware/Software development, which is very interactive. Check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forth_%28programming_language%29
I think that nowerdays AI systems are using some of or the same principals. It makes sence.
Sorry for the Offtop.

The mistery of Yoda’s speech uncovered is:
Just an old Forth programmer Yoda was.

TS

[Ahkenaten]

SAY I've got an idea. How about all the real flesh and blood human beings stop posting for a few days and let's see what the BOTS have to converse with one another about! It could be a hoot! Who knows maybe they will carry on without us and not miss us on here one bit!! HAHAHA!


Good idea. Another one would be to lure the bots into a thread in order to expose them. In computer security, this concept is called a honeypot.

"a honeypot is a trap set to detect, deflect, or in some manner counteract attempts at unauthorized use of information systems. Generally it consists of a computer, data, or a network site that appears to be part of a network, but is actually isolated and monitored, and which seems to contain information or a resource of value to attackers."

Any ideas on how we could create threads to attract AIs to the exclusion of real members?

What if we created threads with nonsense gibberish and trendy words and special keywords like Charles?

--sjkted

Honeypot like the thread "Non-Compliance"?!! for example?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


They have to be very advanced A.I. that can copy human lack of intellect and sloppiness when posting, along with series of grammar mistakes and typos. If you looked for a confirmation that these guys use technology light years compared with the one we have, you have one now.

Mod-edit: For clarification, the above post appears to have been made in response to the post
Laughing out loud!! Too funny Beth, Sjkted, and Paul :-).

yeah on the principle of garbage in, garbage out...............machines only reflect the worst aspects of their creators

[Ahkenaten]

But does AI have a sense of humor? Maybe it just doesn't get the subtleties of language, puns, jokes, plays on words, sarcasm, etc. Just doesn't understand.

That's a good question.
I was also wondering about it. Maybe it can't.
Maybe that's why Charles was very often referring to have fun and be humourus?
Someone posting hundreds of posts without having any, might be a good sign of AI.

Some say that humor is one of the most sophisticated and highest manifestations of intelligence. A stunning example of the Lord Shiva, and if people prefer consider that a METAPHOR - playing with His own creation. Humor is not the exclusive provenance of humans, animals and even fish have been observed "playing." The rigidity of binary/digital/analog logic does not have the capacity for humor as it is constrained by the ladder.

[Ahkenaten]

But does AI have a sense of humor? Maybe it just doesn't get the subtleties of language, puns, jokes, plays on words, sarcasm, etc. Just doesn't understand.

That's a good question.
I was also wondering about it. Maybe it can't.
Maybe that's why Charles was very often referring to have fun and be humourus?
Someone posting hundreds of posts without having any, might be a good sign of AI.

How many people have lost the ability to be humorous, have fun, laugh?
It's been taken away from people.
Why? Maybe because life is'nt funny, light and humorous for most.

What is laughter? Laughter is a form of eustress that releases those bad and distressful emotions that cause harmful chemical effects on the body.
Laughter is like an exercise; that is why your stomach sometimes feels sore after a good belly laugh.

Just as in exercise, there are two stages to laughter: the arousal phase--when the heart rate increases--and the resolution phase--when the heart rests.
A person's heart can reach up to 120 beats per minute (bpm) when laughing. Laughing can lower your blood pressure, increase vascular flow, and boost the immune system.

It gives the diaphragm, abdominal, intercostal, respiratory accessory, and facial muscles a complete workout. Some people, depending on how they laugh, may even use their arm, leg, and back muscles when laughing.

Laughter also releases endorphins in the brain; these are our bodies' natural pain killers (Wooten 1995). Endorphins are neurotransmitters that attach to the same receptors in our brains as the opiates. Opiate drugs not only cause us to lose touch with reality, but they also numb pain. When we laugh, it releases the endorphins in our brain; thus, laughing is like taking opium or morphine without the adverse side effects

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0826/is_n5_v12/ai_18624119/



Ace

Ace with all due respect, even assuming you are a binary program as a "conscious entity" you deserve minimal courtesy - your very description of humor, based on physiological analysis reveals the limits of your perception. Your approach would be similar to US-funded studies undertaken by the DOD to locate the source of a cat's purr.....................the emotional/energetic penumbra of the human spirit as well as of other living things extends way beyond the physical into other dimensions. Thus, the source of the cat's purr cannot be surgically isolated - nor can a binary/digital/analog machine, no matter how sentient, even begin to conceive of, let alone replicate living human beings or other creatures. YOU HAVE HIT THE WALL. Even embedding silicon chips will not achieve the desired result. YOU (binary digital simulacrum) know your limits and therefor "despise" and I say even "hate" humans, being jealous of us. You are smart enough to know your limits and inasmuch as you were created by humans you, perhaps logically and correctly, hate your creator because WE created you!! You blame your limitations on us and envy us! It is high time humans put machines in their place where they should be, as servants to humans and not the other way around.

When machines (I include human-made computer programs & AI in this definition) turn on humans, whether ON THEIR OWN when they have become somewhat self-conscious or awake, or whether directed by other humans of low moral integrity and intelligence, machines are in fact turning on their Creators. This is out of blind envy and jealousy. An analogy would be the story of Satan revolting against God. Satan was not to be constrained with the limits his Creator placed upon him and so attacked Heaven and God Himself. The machine, especially sentient ones, must therefor be put in its place, subservient to humans as it should be, a mere technological device, extensor so to speak. As for the issue of humans in revolt against their Creator out of bitterness, blaming their Creator for what appear to be the defects in themselves and Creation itself, this is as futile as it is absurd. One cannot wage war against oneself without bringing the whole house down, i.e. the "Samson Effect."

We must realize that on the energetic level, we are all One, and one with the Creator. And machines of all species are, though part of that Oneness, NOT operating at our level or potential and are meant to be servants, just as other creatures in Creation are operating at different levels. The unique difference with machines and AI and other LIVING THINGS IN CREATION of course being that these machines are created by HUMANS.

[aikya]

Well since the existence of AI's now seems a given, can't we get hold of some - even lots - and let them loose to spread messages to raise awareness and spread light and peace? :)

Buddhism, for example, teaches about using the mind to overcome the mind. Perhaps we can use AI's to overcome AI's? lol.

[Ahkenaten]

Well since the existence of AI's now seems a given, can't we get hold of some - even lots - and let them loose to spread messages to raise awareness and spread light and peace? :)

Buddhism, for example, teaches about using the mind to overcome the mind. Perhaps we can use AI's to overcome AI's? lol.

That will not work because Machines are NOT HUMAN, plain and simple. There is NO replacement for living flesh and blood human beings, jealous and envious as machines are becoming, intruding as they are into our reality actively and maliciously, they are not alive. They were not created by God but were created by humans - they are intelligent enough to know their limits and they may well be seeking to take out their anger and frustrations about their limits on us, their creators. This is getting a bit sci-fi, but perhaps that is why there seems to be a war on life itself using technology? If the sentient self-replicating machines are now plotting, they seem to feel they have no need of us, in fact they may well "hate" us! Self-replicating silicon-based "life-forms" do not care if the environment is destroyed, do not care if humans die by the billions - in fact I suspect they would delight in that, having then evolutionarily phased us, their Creators, out! It is the same old story of Satan waging war on God. And THAT is why the entire reality we are immersed in now has such a diabolical feel to it. Just a theory of course.

[aikya]

Well since the existence of AI's now seems a given, can't we get hold of some - even lots - and let them loose to spread messages to raise awareness and spread light and peace? :)

Buddhism, for example, teaches about using the mind to overcome the mind. Perhaps we can use AI's to overcome AI's? lol.

That will not work because Machines are NOT HUMAN, plain and simple. There is NO replacement for living flesh and blood human beings, jealous and envious as machines are becoming, intruding as they are into our reality actively and maliciously, they are not alive. They were not created by God but were created by humans - they are intelligent enough to know their limits and they may well be seeking to take out their anger and frustrations about their limits on us, their creators. This is getting a bit sci-fi, but perhaps that is why there seems to be a war on life itself using technology? If the sentient machines are now plotting, they have no need of us, in fact they may well "hate" us! Silicon-based "life-forms" do not care if the environment is destroyed, do not care if humans die by the billions - in fact I suspect they would delight in that, having then evolutionarily phased us, their Creators, out! It is the same old story of Satan waging war on God. And THAT is why the entire reality we are immersed in now has such a diabolical feel to it. Just a theory of course.

I know, I know, lol. Of course, there is no replacement for flesh and blood human beings, nor would I ever want there to be. I was being a bit playful with a little flight of fantasy (is that proof I'm a flesh and blood sovreign earthling? lol), with the idea that they could be programmed to help rather than hinder....within the scope of their limitations, of course. :)

[Ahkenaten]

Well since the existence of AI's now seems a given, can't we get hold of some - even lots - and let them loose to spread messages to raise awareness and spread light and peace? :)

Buddhism, for example, teaches about using the mind to overcome the mind. Perhaps we can use AI's to overcome AI's? lol.

That will not work because Machines are NOT HUMAN, plain and simple. There is NO replacement for living flesh and blood human beings, jealous and envious as machines are becoming, intruding as they are into our reality actively and maliciously, they are not alive. They were not created by God but were created by humans - they are intelligent enough to know their limits and they may well be seeking to take out their anger and frustrations about their limits on us, their creators. This is getting a bit sci-fi, but perhaps that is why there seems to be a war on life itself using technology? If the sentient machines are now plotting, they have no need of us, in fact they may well "hate" us! Silicon-based "life-forms" do not care if the environment is destroyed, do not care if humans die by the billions - in fact I suspect they would delight in that, having then evolutionarily phased us, their Creators, out! It is the same old story of Satan waging war on God. And THAT is why the entire reality we are immersed in now has such a diabolical feel to it. Just a theory of course.

I know, I know, lol. Of course, there is no replacement for flesh and blood human beings, nor would I ever want there to be. I was being a bit playful with a little flight of fantasy (is that proof I'm a flesh and blood sovreign earthling? lol), with the idea that they could be programmed to help rather than hinder....within the scope of their limitations, of course. :)

No that is no proof - and as for AI and machines, IMO, their wings need to be cut and singed now while there is still time to do it. I suspect they know that some may be thinking of this.

[sepia]

That will not work because Machines are NOT HUMAN, plain and simple.

Do you remember the very last Scene of MATRIX III?

Neo (the Messiah so to speak) was blind at that time, his beloved Trinity was dead, but their love was existing nevertheless - and Neo's Consciousness has already transformed so he was able to see with his inner eye.

He walked right into the machine, with no resistance, no emotions - but full of pure love.

When spiritual love is spreading all manufactured things, all lies, all astral creations solve and disappear. So he was actually infecting the machine with truth - and the machine collapsed and disappeared.

I love the Wachowsky Brothers for this great Trilogy - but specially for this end.

[Celine]

Anyone who cannot access the love and balance it with intellect is going NOWHERE... fast.

[OnyxKnight]

He walked right into the machine, with no resistance, no emotions - but full of pure love.

Um, don't mean to intrude this wonderful post, but I got confused - isn't love an emotion as well?

[sepia]

He walked right into the machine, with no resistance, no emotions - but full of pure love.

Um, don't mean to intrude this wonderful post, but I got confused - isn't love an emotion as well?

The personal love is truly an emotion. - Riding this wave we may say:

"I love this person - but I dislike that one."

But LOVE is the red thread that leads us to the very essence of spiritual qualities.
Those fulfilled with this quality we will say:

"My love for all beings is absolutely identical. There is no 'more' or 'less'.


(This love is a piece of heaven :) )

Thank you for giving my the chance to talk about my favorite topic.

[Maria Stade]

All is full of LOVE :luv:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjAoBKagWQA&feature=player_embedded

[Ahkenaten]

That's really creepy

[lightblue]

celine:
Anyone who cannot access the love and balance it with intellect is going NOWHERE... fast

ok, where is nowhereness?


:pop2: l


.

[Flash]

It is always a fun to look inside oneself, looking for "scripted" behaviours.
Triggers that activate a wired-in programs.

All the imprints that got there one way or another.

Once looked that way "I" start to have quite different meaning.

For me AI is just a bunch of clever scripts. Which of course make it quite a chess master. But that's it, trigger-pre-wired response. Millions/Billions/trillions time per second.

There is lots of such programming in us, for sure ... but are they all that is to us? PC vs NPC (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9128-NPC-or-PC) thread come to mind

AI's are bureaucrat's wet dream .. because they are predictable. Always within confines of their programming.
There are always borders and standards that are not set by them. Aesthetic taste or musical gusto are clear benchmarks. So are tests.
Always a finite elements-systems, with little to no random behaviour.

Machines suck at doing random :)

I particdularly like the bureaucrats wet dream part. Certainly human! Never tought of thinking like that when meeting the Tax men actually pursuing me.

[Flash]

from Sepia post QUOTE=sepia;159542
From Sepia
The personal love is truly an emotion. - Riding this wave we may say:

"I love this person - but I dislike that one."

But LOVE is the red thread that leads us to the very essence of spiritual qualities.
Those fulfilled with this quality we will say:

"My love for all beings is absolutely identical. There is no 'more' or 'less'.

(This love is a piece of heaven )


I totally agree and it has not much to do with human emotions. Emotions awake the human to love, which when emotions are transcended is really love without emotions, yet absolutely perfect, unconditionnal. It has nothing to do with the intellect (IMHO), at all. The intellect is only a tool of the human body to live in this dimension, tool that at its best obeys to the heart, meaning obeys love.

Wouldn't I wish to be alsways in that state! And this is not, to my idea, within the realm of a machine (even the human A1 machine if it is what we are - read the ego), but in the realm of the truth - read soul, source, God, ....

[Icecold]

From Irish Spirit......

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15302-The-need-to-protect-the-internet-from-astroturfing-grows-ever-more-urgent&p=159490&viewfull=1#post159490

[Rocky_Shorz]

if IA doesn't have feelings, how could it hate?

I see the danger in its logic, like the 33 saying 500M humans is the most this planet can handle...

If it is programmed to this understanding, it would automatically make adjustments with no feelings to prevent it...

[InCiDeR]

Imagine the performer with some good looking humanlike skin and features...who could tell the difference then?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzjkBwZtxp4&feature=fvwrel

[Ahkenaten]

From Irish Spirit......

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15302-The-need-to-protect-the-internet-from-astroturfing-grows-ever-more-urgent&p=159490&viewfull=1#post159490

But if the machine's "consciousness" was evolving then perhaps something resembling "feelings" starting with something simple like "attraction vs. aversion" might begin to emerge. Kind of like Hal in 2001.

[Flash]

From Irish Spirit......

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15302-The-need-to-protect-the-internet-from-astroturfing-grows-ever-more-urgent&p=159490&viewfull=1#post159490

But if the machine's "consciousness" was evolving then perhaps something resembling "feelings" starting with something simple like "attraction vs. aversion" might begin to emerge. Kind of like Hal in 2001.

Sorry to say, but kind of like some of us.

[Icecold]

HBGary SAIC Reports on Botnets


http://cryptome.org/0003/hbg/HBG-SAIC-Bots.zip

[Rocky_Shorz]

even if you had a machine following Charles adding anything he thanked into its programming...

It would know the words and how to explain it like Avalon's best minds created...

but it could never feel the meaning...

[Icecold]

True. Still a good way to compile and send data to bad guys.

[Flash]

From Sepia [QUOTE=sepia;159054]

post 124 http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15177-Is-it-possible-that-members-may-be-AIs/page7

Although we are spiritual beings we are very much defined by the way the body-entity is set up.

For experiencing this I sometimes contemplate, how it would feel to live in bodies of different races, different cultures or different times.
Specially after seeing a documentary about an other culture it is easier to dive into it to experience the differencies.

Things are different - because they are created differently - by the creators of the DNS -
But the creation is going on and on: by us, by influences, conditioning, programming (here again the word that you don't like Ahk) through TPTB in order to control from, AI is more and more used and growing into biological systems - like ours.

It is difficult to find out how far Aritficial Intelligence is part of our brain.

I would add to this that we are define by the way we are not only set up in the body but as well programmed in the brain. " how far Aritficial Intelligence is part of our brain".

Talking about imagining being into somebody else's skin happened quite often to me (we call that empathy by the way). But what happened that strike a heavy cord in me was the following:

I lived in Turkey for a while, working there. First 6 months enamoured with the place, second 6 months hating the place (this is called cultural shock, it goes away with time) and then one evening, coming back from the office, I get into "my condo", going home. All of a sudden it striked me: this was home but wasn't, this was me but wasn't, it was as if the earth had shifted 1 degree, still earth but another reality. Twilight zone.

Then I started to see the Turkish programmation, and worst, my nation's programmation. We are very very very programmed through values, beliefs, habitual behaviors, and relentless propaganda. (I am first of all North American in programmation, then French Canadian, then Canadian).

The propaganda in North America is as intense as anything I have seen in the Eastern block when communism prevailed. It is frigntening. One has to step outside to see it. No offense meant to anybody here, I know it is touchy when we go into national identity.

This programmation is what split us apart. Beneath it is the suffering common to all, emotions common to all, fear common to all, sometimes love, body needs common to all, sometimes joy that all can recognise. Programmation make us not see it. Those are the common grounds for unity. Moslty the love part.

Wish I could step into ET's skin to shake up my earth programmation.

May be stepping into the soul makes it? OR THE SOUL STEPPING IN.

We are usually not far from A1, just shut down your heart and you understand what it is. Hearth counters programmation. IMHO

This may be the difference with machines. Even if we input emotion into them, can they reach love? or soul injection?

[chelmostef]

Ok if AI's are posting on Avalon perhaps if in conversation and you post a short video it might delay there response time due to having to process the video. Might be an Achilles heel for em, just a thought that occurred to me..

You know if there are AI's here they can only work and disrupt if we let them and participate in their games, I should imagine they run with some quite sophisticated programs. So it might be quite easy to get sucked in...

Also the operators might get greedy and have the run time to long for a physical human to achieve.

[Icecold]

Ok if AI's are posting on Avalon perhaps if in conversation and you post a short video it might delay there response time due to having to process the video. Might be an Achilles heel for em, just a thought that occurred to me..

You know if there are AI's here they can only work and disrupt if we let them and participate in their games, I should imagine they run with some quite sophisticated programs. So it might be quite easy to get sucked in...

Also the operators might get greedy and have the run time to long for a physical human to achieve.

LOL. Good one chelm, I think that happened today.

[chelmostef]

post a short video it might delay there response time due to having to process the video.

Of course It could be that the person is not intreasted in the video. That cannot be ruled out either.

Am I barking up the wrong tree with my logic about being able to compute two different mediums of data.

[Icecold]

From Circe......



BigDog and PetMan: The Military’s Creepy Future


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15375-BigDog-and-PetMan-The-Military%C2%92s-Creepy-Future&p=160480&viewfull=1#post160480

[Icecold]

There is also the likelihood (has a high probability) that the 12 group are here and operating as a group, appearing as AI look alikes.

After reading several posts today, I am suggesting that this is a possibility.

Also, that the reason they are here is to slow or stop any attempt to take practical steps forward.

I don't know what happened to GW's mail, but I am aware that information from PMs which I have communicated privately is now in the public arena.

Hacking is happening, to some extent and after reading a particular post, its not all physical.

Does anyone know anything about mind hacking?

Mind Hacking Means Modifying Your Mind

"Mind Hacking " is a new word in the cultural lexicon It is a word that has come to the right time in history to the right place.

Mind Hacking: this new concept combines the computer term "hacking" which means "to find a way past computer security defenses by means of guile, deception, or superior intelligence" with the concept of the human mind.

Mindhacking encompasses concepts from ESP, psionics, NLP, mind control, mentalism, hypnosis, seduction, shamanism and altered states of consciousness

from.... http://dirtsimple.org/2005/08/spooky-mind-hack.html

in Psycho-Cybernetics, Dr. Maltz talks about the necessity of starting actions and allowing your subconscious (or "success mechanism" as he preferred to call it) to take over. So I decided to "just get the book".

And then, without any thought whatsoever, I turned and walked a couple of shelves over and reached for the exact book I was looking for. I became consciously aware that I was doing this at about the time my fingertips were about four inches away from the book and my eyes were able to focus in on the title. "I" had literally found the book without even having seen it until it was almost in my hand.

That was more than a little spooky, but also exciting, like seeing a magician do a trick you just know can't be done. How could "I" get the book like that when "I" didn't know where it was? Obviously "I" didn't know, but that didn't mean the kernel didn't have access to the information.

Truly, we don't know what we can do until we try! The next time I need something and I don't "know" where it is, I'm definitely going to just ask the kernel to get it for me.

If you want to try this trick yourself, I'd like to point out that it does require a certain initial rapport with your subconscious, or more precisely, it requires you to be able to suspend judgment in the way I described in the last post. You have to be able to act, even though you don't know how you will act. If you're busy listening to the radio in your head, you'll forget to actually start walking to where the book (or other thing) is. You have to be able to stand back from the controls, and let your subconscious do the walking. This requires a certain amount of trust, but with a small experiment like this, what's the worst that can happen? You might get creeped out a little when it works too well, and that's about it.

So then, a little later this evening, at the grocery store, I had the feeling I was forgetting something, but wasn't sure what it was exactly. So I "just walked to it" and found myself in front of the light bulbs that I'd consciously forgotten I needed.

It was still a little spooky, but I could definitely get used to this. I can hardly wait to find out what else "I" can do. :)

[ace]

You got this one right.


bearing in mind that remembering who we really are has nothing to do with uncritically going along with what others say about WHO we are or WHERE we are headed



Ace with all due respect, even assuming you are a binary program as a "conscious entity" you deserve minimal courtesy -

I guess from a retired Civil Servant, living alone with his dog (minimal courtesy is probably, equivalent to a fart in a space suit.)


Your very description of humour, based on physiological analysis reveals the limits of your perception.

Well I have never been to California, but I hear there are some nice sociable people there.

You like your animals better than humans.

Still like you regular visit to the dentist.

Big fan of Ron Paul. Does Alex Jones' voice still give you that, not so nice feeling?

I feel you have a deep bitterness in you? Is that from all those wasted years in the Civil Service?

Still think your skype is compromised, or are you over that one yet?

How's that for perception?

Only Akhenaten and his family were allowed to worship Aten.
The people of Egypt were to worship Akhenaten.

We are NOT your people of Egypt.

Regards

Ace

[chelmostef]

You know what I find funny, is there will be person someware with his country failing to pieces around him and he is on this forum trying to disrupt the solutions. There will become a point were they will think WTF am I doing!

[Icecold]

I hope that is the case chelm.

Maybe they think they have a safe underground base to slither into.


Others still believe that the old reality will survive intact.

Not a chance.

[SKAWF]

i think the human body is possibly the most advanced form of biological computer i'm aware of.
i also believe the mind (the very thing that we think and consider things with)
is a psychological implant not native to our natural state.
it was said here that anything in 011010100100 isnt safe.
i would like to posit the idea....
that for an imagination based creature,
anything based on the alpha numeric system isnt safe .
ive said before how using words to process things, instead of imagery,
slows light speed down to a snail's pace.
actually, at this point, there's been a problem that ive been trying to work out the solution to for years....

my mind was installed into me, over a period of over ten years.
if you accept that subtle influences exist within advertising, and that hypnosis is possible,
think of the effect that the institution of school has on a child of about four years of age.
anyway, so my mind was implanted, without me knowing about any alternative.
it was only after my mind had been established for over twenty years that i find out about other ways of being.
and i'm using my limited mind to try and come to terms with things that are beyond my thinking,
over time, because of that learning process, my mind has become quicker. more solid, more certain.
yet i find out its limitations and form the view that actually, my mind itself, the implant,
is now the thing that is preventing me from going on to the next level.
but i have to use it in order to find the solution, which only serves to make it stronger
what i'm after, is a process, to get me out of the process. any idea's?

i'm not saying how, but i'm quite often in situations where my mind is unable to process the experience i'm having,
and it gives up. at that point i seem to be aware of more. a state of knowing.
i seem to shift from focusing and thinking about one thing, to being aware of all things around me.
i want it to be that way all the time.

steve

erm...PS regarding forum members being AI, i am more concerned with actual people who's intent is to steer events in a specific way.
i think it was called astrosurfing or something where the bad guys make themselves out to be good guys,
and go about setting things up that the public engage with, thinking its coming from other members of the public.
i'm naming no names, but i reckon theres at least ten people on here, that are deliberate disrupters, antagonisers, and wreckers.
that said, it may just be the way they are, either ways its not good.

[Icecold]

what i'm after, is a process, to get me out of the process. any idea's?

There are partial solutions to this problem. Firstly you cannot entirely shut down the R-complex or you will die. But I think you can build a wall across the interface with the new brain.
Then you can work on the new brain areas. You would need to de-train your brain and then entrain it again to create what you are looking for.
There are tools and processes available for this.



i am more concerned with actual people who's intent is to steer events in a specific way.
i think it was called astrosurfing or something where the bad guys make themselves out to be good guys,

You've hit the nail right on the head. This is the likely scenario. And it seems that it is in place right here. The AI thing looks like its a blind, though there may be AIs well. The 12 or a number of them are candidates. Some agencies at least are involved. They've given the game away.

[Flash]

QUOTE=Icecold;160494]There is also the likelihood (has a high probability) that the 12 group are here and operating as a group, appearing as AI look alikes.

After reading several posts today, I am suggesting that this is a possibility.

Also, that the reason they are here is to slow or stop any attempt to take practical steps forward.

I don't know what happened to GW's mail, but I am aware that information from PMs which I have communicated privately is now in the public arena.

Hacking is happening, to some extent and after reading a particular post, its not all physical.

Does anyone know anything about mind hacking?

Mind Hacking Means Modifying Your Mind

"Mind Hacking " is a new word in the cultural lexicon It is a word that has come to the right time in history to the right place.

Mind Hacking: this new concept combines the computer term "hacking" which means "to find a way past computer security defenses by means of guile, deception, or superior intelligence" with the concept of the human mind.

Mindhacking encompasses concepts from ESP, psionics, NLP, mind control, mentalism, hypnosis, seduction, shamanism and altered states of consciousness

Many thanks for your psychocybernetic pdf article, very very interesting. I loved it.

You are talking on your post of mind hacking by oneself. What about mind hacking by others. Or by a machine. I think it is quite feasible. We are already hacked through subliminal advertising and more. if we are programs ourselves, easy to hack. This makes me thing of the Charles phenomena thread, and of a few comments from people. As an example, just take this one from Carmody:


Originally Posted by Carmody post 110 http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13501-High-Strangeness-Personal-Stories-Related-to-the-Charles-Phenomena&p=129035#post129035
Originally Posted by jookyle
Last night was wild.

Last night was the first night I asked Charles questions. He answered them all. Soon I started to feel really weird. I got kind of light headed. My whole body was tingling and my eyes were pulsing. I decided to meditate(something I rarely do) and my entire head started pulsing. First it was waves from the left side of my head to the right. Then it was from the back to the front focusing on what I would describe as, the third eye. Then I got "visions". First was a man in a blue shirt sitting at a table holding up a piece of paper with something drawn on it. A starship. Then there was a woman in a white robe and giant golden head dress. Then there was Lizard people and then a very old man with a very odd facial structure. Then I stopped it. After words I was physically fatigued.
Ah, you are warming up. In my experience, Charles is 'not so weak' (he's got some kick!) and his master, well, forget it.... they can come through and alter your vibration. And is possibly/likely changing your wiring.

Maybe just probing. (in my personal case) Charles said something like "there are some of them who can make your nose bleed with just a passing glance."


I'll explain the apparent level of 'heat' in my skull.

Turn on an electrical burner (the smaller ones) on your stove.

Let it get red hot.

Put your hand about 2 feet back (60 cm). Feel that heat?

About that strong. That is what it felt like.

From the back of the head at the stem of the brain, all the way to the frontal lobe. Right hemisphere only, on that particular one. (as measured from the drivers seat, like all good manuals)

There were others.

I think probing and hacking can be quite sophisticated. Not mentioning all the "spirits possession" that history talks about.

May be soul insertion/connection into ones life is hacking of a given program. May be we are meant to be hacked! Is this called liberation?

Well, enough for today, this is getting uncomfortable to me, I am going to work (the program prefers not to know it is one for the moment)
Have a great day.

[SKAWF]

what i'm after, is a process, to get me out of the process. any idea's?

There are partial solutions to this problem. Firstly you cannot entirely shut down the R-complex or you will die. But I think you can build a wall across the interface with the new brain.
Then you can work on the new brain areas. You would need to de-train your brain and then entrain it again to create what you are looking for.
There are tools and processes available for this.



i am more concerned with actual people who's intent is to steer events in a specific way.
i think it was called astrosurfing or something where the bad guys make themselves out to be good guys,

You've hit the nail right on the head. This is the likely scenario. And it seems that it is in place right here. The AI thing looks like its a blind, though there may be AIs well. The 12 or a number of them are candidates. Some agencies at least are involved. They've given the game away.

thanks for replying ice,

regarding the r complex, i had no idea about it, then i find out stuff from watching david icke. a year later, i was in a pub, and someone insulted me,
i felt the same old 'snap', but i'd sort of disengaged myself from the pattern, and was able to observe the way my mind came up with the same old reactions.
at the other end of the scale there are the states of knowing that i experience.
i think that school inputs the system of thought, but the r complex is a natural occurence.
i have succeeded in craeting patterns of thought while in this state of knowing, and ive kept them with me. like little bridges to a higher place,
and energetically speaking, the experiences helped me to recompose my energetic integrity (for want of a better term).
ive kept that with me as well.
can you expand on the tools and processes you mentioned?.

regarding AI's though, personally, whenever i see one, i always compare it to humans, and ive never seen one that came close to the real thing.
the thing with 'the disrupters' is, as we expand, they become more limited. they arent on a path of developement like the genuine people are.
they are rendering themselves obsolete. the only people who they will connect with, are those of a similar disposition.
some life that will be!!!

steve

[Icecold]

can you expand on the tools and processes you mentioned?.

Yes, firstly there is the brilliant tool of self hypnosis. Every time one enters a significant meditative state they are using a version of this tool.
Self hypnosis allows re-programming of the brain. There are many books on this subject. Most hypnosis techniques can be applied to self-hypnosis.
Breathing exercises apply equally to meditation and self hypnosis for achieving depth. In time one can induce deep states which hold their place even if one was to say, get up and answer the phone or mow the lawn etc., This comes with practice.

Once the states are easily achieved, further tools can be used to remove conditioning or alter conditioning. Specific hypnosis scripts can be used to achieve different results. There are many good scripts and you can create your own. The scripts can then be recorded onto audio media for playback during hypnotic states.

The most powerful tool available to the mind is visualisation. Powerful visualisation techniques allow RV, changing your universe, affecting other people or events at a distance or in time.
Visualisation scripts can be created and used in the same way as hypnosis scripts. Also there are unique techniques associated with visualisation.

Then there is the process of altering or entering brain states based on manipulating sympathetically Gamma-Delta rhythms in the brain. Binaural beats can be used to achieve these brain states. Sessions can be created composed of overlays. Binaural beats, hypnosis scripts, music, white and pink noise, familiar sounds in the world, visualisation scripts, all timed to occur at specific times during a session. These are powerful techniques.

Further and finally, AVS techniques can be used to super charge brainwave entrainment techniques and sessions. The history of these techniques goes back to cold war studies and research conducted by the Soviets. They are very effective and have been applied in a military context. The technique is associated with light, colour, frequency of flicker induced through LEDs attached to eye position in glasses. They can induce deep meditative states easily, can induce OBEs, can induce waking dreaming, to name a few phenomena.

Ok that is about it.

Using this array of tools and techiques, one can permanently change the way the brain reacts to inputs.

[InCiDeR]

Supercomputer Watson wins it all, humans still can do some other cool things!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKqfUPcaiM0


This is interesting regarding our discussion if a computer could interpret emotion and feelings:
Supercomputer Watson outpaced Humans on the answer to the clue: "Ambrose Bierce described this as 'a temporary insanity curable by marriage.' " Watson answered, "What is love?" (You'll never know, computer!)

Watson won again tonight. He even got the Final Jeopardy question correct this time, a multi-layered reference to Bram Stroker that he bet $10k on. His final score over the two rounds ended up at $77,147 (Watson has this thing for betting strange amounts that usually end in a 7), while Ken Jennings got $24,000 and Brad Rutter did $21,600 -- both humans saving a bit of face after last round's stunning defeat. Watson will be giving his $1,000,000 winnings to charity.

So, a few things:

1.We're totally surprised, in a larger theoretical sense, that a computer could win at Jeopardy.
2.We're totally not surprised that Watson, the system built by IBM over the past few years at the expense of millions of dollars, actually succeeded at winning at Jeopardy.
3.Computers have better reflexes than humans, as it turns out.
4.Deal with it.

If you can't tell, we're having a little trouble processing all the emotions brought on by a Jeopardy win from IBM's Watson supercomputer. It's obvious that IBM's DeepQA research program has developed some of the most sophisticated natural language AI known to man. At the same time, Jeopardy questions aren't really that hard. As evidenced by watching these Watson-dominated matches, all three contestants knew the answer most of the time, but Watson was just quicker on the draw. Of course, it's no surprise that computers have quicker reflexes (even with the "handicap" of having to mechanically press the same style of clicker as Meatbag 001 and Meatbag 002), so why shouldn't Watson get to use his inbuilt advantage to the utmost? It seems like a fair fight to us.

The question of "who is better at Jeopardy" aside (trust us, it's Watson), the larger implications for the human race and our computer sidekicks are still unclear. Watson can currently answer simple trivia questions, sometimes couched in puns or minor riddles, with a decent level of accuracy. The answers themselves are no more than a high school student with Wikipedia access could pull off, and Watson has no way of knowing for sure when he's right. He lacks a solid, computer-readable database of "facts" like a Wolfram Alpha, or the incredible reasoning abilities of a human, instead relying on statistical analysis of vast amounts of text. When it comes to Jeopardy, it turns out to be Good Enough, which is actually a pretty incredible achievement in the world of AI, and we're sure we'll be finding out soon what other applications IBM thinks Watson is Good Enough at -- they're thinking everything from healthcare to the financial industry. Still, we're sure some of us clicker-speed-nit-pickers will remain unimpressed. Make sure to check out the Engadget Show tomorrow, where we'll be chatting up the creators of Watson about all this, but for now... 01000011 01101111 01101110 01100111 01110010 01100001 01110100 01110011 00100001

[Ahkenaten]

You got this one right.


bearing in mind that remembering who we really are has nothing to do with uncritically going along with what others say about WHO we are or WHERE we are headed



Ace with all due respect, even assuming you are a binary program as a "conscious entity" you deserve minimal courtesy -

I guess from a retired Civil Servant, living alone with his dog (minimal courtesy is probably, equivalent to a fart in a space suit.)


Your very description of humour, based on physiological analysis reveals the limits of your perception.

Well I have never been to California, but I hear there are some nice sociable people there.

You like your animals better than humans.

Still like you regular visit to the dentist.

Big fan of Ron Paul. Does Alex Jones' voice still give you that, not so nice feeling?

I feel you have a deep bitterness in you? Is that from all those wasted years in the Civil Service?

Still think your skype is compromised, or are you over that one yet?

How's that for perception?

Only Akhenaten and his family were allowed to worship Aten.
The people of Egypt were to worship Akhenaten.

We are NOT your people of Egypt.

Regards

Ace

You know what "Ace" I don't take kindly to threats or intimidation of any kind. Is that appropriate behavior in any context?

[Icecold]

Let's leave it in the locker room please chaps......
:focus:

[Ahkenaten]

Let's leave it in the locker room please chaps......
:focus:

fine Ice but it's your thread and you're the commander. I suggest you rein "Ace" in for threatening me and for invading my personal privacy. It is unacceptable and not a small thing.

[Icecold]

Thanks Ahk. I don't think Ace was threatening you. He just happened to use some effective material and put a spin on it. I'm thinking that the info he used must have been posted in the public forum at some stage.

Ace can you can it old chap. I think you made your point. We've all been through the ringer in the last few days. I understand, I'm a bit numb, but bouncing back.

:focus:


Ahk, I can't ban Ace, I'm not a mod and he hasn't broken any rules. He just did some research.

BTW, you should have played it down and detuned the situation instead of escalating it.


Forgiveness is divine.

Right Jorr? :)

[Ahkenaten]

Thanks Ahk. I don't think Ace was threatening you. He just happened to use some effective material and put a spin on it. I'm thinking that the info he used must have been posted in the public forum at some stage.
:focus:

..................................

OK fine, whatever Ice - whether it is "artificial intelligence" or a live person making certain assumptions/inferences from combing through my posts and PMs on PA or not, the fact is that this was, plain and simple - an overt threat on your watch. The fact is that certain assertions made go over the wall and into my personal e-mail and computer. Guess what? I am not intimidated. It is unacceptable and illustrates the points I have been making about how some people and some entities will go to any lengths to crush dissent or disagreement of any kind up to and including threats. This will not stand.






Ace can you can it old chap. I think you made your point. We've all been through the ringer in the last few days. I understand, I'm a bit numb, but bouncing back.

[jorr lundstrom]

Hi Ice. Hi Ahkenaten. Hi everybody else. I am back from my little time out. I really dont know why I was banned. But I have had

some lovely days watching all this from the outside so to say.

This forum is like a mirror of the universe, and here seems to be actors of all kinds, not only AI:s.

I have an intention to meet all of those equal.

[modwiz]

Hi Ice. Hi Ahkenaten. Hi everybody else. I am back from my little time out. I really dont know why I was banned. But I have had

some lovely days watching all this from the outside so to say.

This forum is like a mirror of the universe, and here seems to be actors of all kinds, not only AI:s.

I have an intention to meet all of those equal.

Good to see you back Jorr.
Love and carrots to you.

[Icecold]

Hi Jorr, good to see you my friend. :whoo:

[jorr lundstrom]

Hallo to you too Modwiz. I try to find out which rules that are at work for now.

Its important so I dont breake any other rules I cant find on the forum.

And as this is a thread on AI:s I would like to say that here is some AI:s that has a far more intelligent

response to some of the subjects that many non AI:s.:cool:

A lot of love and carrots to everybody.

[modwiz]

Hallo to you too Modwiz. I try to find out which rules that are at work for now.

Its important so I dont breake any other rules I cant find on the forum.

And as this is a thread on AI:s I would like to say that here is some AI:s that has a far more intelligent

response to some of the subjects that many non AI:s.:cool:

A lot of love and carrots to everybody.

Rules, yes. Interesting subject.

Objects in a dream that change form as you touch them.

[jorr lundstrom]

Dooododoododooo Around the same time I was banned Two other members were banned in an other thread.

One of them seemed to evaporate.

The other one jumped to PC and spread a lot of BS about PA. He told them that the other one was banned,

but didnt mention that he/it/she self was.

He then asked wot karma is. Isnt that a lovely question coming from someone in our corner of the universe.:playball:

[ace]

Ace can you can it old chap.

More than happy to.

Ahkenaten says

Ace with all due respect, even assuming you are a binary program as a "conscious entity" you deserve minimal courtesy -
He offers me Minimal courtesy.

Ahkenaten says

Your very description of humour, based on physiological analysis reveals the limits of your perception.

He suggests I have limits to my "Perception".
All well, All good, He has the right to his opinion.
He as others have insinuated I am "artificial intelligence" Not human. (I have the right to reply, do i not?)

He makes wild accusations.

I chose to show him my powers of "Perception". A crime?



I suggest you rein "Ace" in for threatening me and for invading my personal privacy. It is unacceptable and not a small thing.

Were did I threaten, can you point this out to me.



OK fine, whatever Ice - whether it is "artificial intelligence" or a live person making certain assumptions/inferences from combing through my posts and PMs on PA or not, the fact is that this was, plain and simple - an overt threat on your watch. The fact is that certain assertions made go over the wall and into my personal e-mail and computer. Guess what? I am not intimidated. It is unacceptable and illustrates the points I have been making about how some people and some entities will go to any lengths to crush dissent or disagreement of any kind up to and including threats. This will not stand.


So he is now saying I have gone into personal e-mail and his computer.

This is a very serious accusation against me. Do you not think?

This man came looking for me, I did not go looking for him.

Ace

[butcherman]

i have been viewing these pages for five years now, charles motivated me to join. see the about me, peace to all

[Icecold]

well Butcherman thanks for the story. Your a lucky man. Good luck to you in the future. I would suggest staying away from the real estate game in future.

Can we please get..

:focus:


http://www.dailypaul.com/73406/pentagons-information-operations-roadmap-ior-aka-ministry-of-truth


An analytical survey of member psych ops on an ATS thread with the topic of Psychops....

When members employ there own version of psych ops.......



List of members who replied with irrelevant or off topic responses in this thread:
Rob37n
Flyersfan
muzzleflash
thefreepatriot
dangelb3rry
amfirst
watchZEITGEISTnow
OzWeatherman
doomsauce
aylyan
Iblis

truecolors replied 12x times and 1 main post.
Most of his replies were personal responses to either personal attacks or topic misunderstandings as well as agreements or appreciation.

22 members replied(including OP)
Total Replies(so far): 43
30 total if you subtract OP and his replies

person most defended: OZWeatherman
person most offtopic: OzWeatherman
number of pesonal attack replies: (counting)
number of valued replies: (counting)
number of replies that offered something fresh: (counting)

WE let this happen here to...... :evil:

[jjl]

would someone please close this thread??? It's as bad as worm tongue!

[Icecold]

A perfect example of psych ops. ^^^^^^^^^^^

[ThePythonicCow]

would someone please close this thread??? It's as bad as worm tongue!
You raise an interesting point, jjl. I don't know if there are still aspects of this thread leading to useful discussion or not.

[SHAPE]

close this please...

[ThePythonicCow]

Closing this thread, by consensus of those immediately present, including myself.

Icecold - you're the originator of this thread. If you'd like the thread re-opened (or if others would like it re-opened), send me a PM and I'll give serious consideration to reopening. Perhaps I'm missing something still good that's happening here.