The Vampire Elite and the New World Order

[James Horak]

There is a question more important to concerns of determining why civilizations fall
than causes like those of economic and agrarian failings, one that is almost never
approached. That question is: what prevented necessary and forseeable change?, what constrains any society to repeat counter-productive patterns and to prevent finding the growth towards the viability at all social levels to evolve passed the immediate pressing problems that fall it?

I would maintain this opposition to necessary change is due to an overly entrenched
“vampire” elite that has stifled the economic and political institutions it commands from
finding remedial solutions. I would also maintain this can come about on planetary scale
and that we are all, ALL the peoples of earth, in that threatening circumstance today.

Can we discuss this intelligently and expand further into better appreciations of all views once everyone accepts we ARE in crisis? Please, if possible participants cannot see that far, leave this thread alone. I invite all others to join in and to make this thread rich in your personal offerings. JCH

[chelmostef]

Welcome to the forum James, may it be as delightful for you as it has been for me :)

Is what you are referring to as greed and only thinking of oneself and the short term gains that bring?

Perhaps it goes a lot deeper than this, though manipulation.

[James Horak]

Yes, Chelmostef, it goes much deeper, into the psyche of elitist class consciousness. What, for instance, is done to people to define a
predictability as far as certainty can go. To insure loyalties, to control as many aspects of your own and others possible. AT THE EXPENSE
OF EVERYTHING ELSE. JCH

[chelmostef]

Are we talking about western education, as this can break ones spirit from an early age?

[Whitehaze]

Keep a population in a state of fear and they will take very few risks.

[Icecold]

Keep a population in a state of fear and they will take very few risks.

That is happening right here. Right now. In microcosm.

[Nortreb]

Hi and welcome James,
Great questions!
My first response is that the change was prevented by a series of massive manipulations from a higher frequency to create division among individuals at all levels(race, culture, income, weight). It is quite a mess that we are in!

What do we do? I am trying to make a difference in my environment in each moment with hope that it will catch on.

[James Horak]

If we are conscious of the methods used upon us, that is half the battle. Defeating them requires the moral assurance we must and the courage to brave the efforts required. JCH

[Nortreb]

If we are conscious of the methods used upon us, that is half the battle. Defeating them requires the moral assurance we must and the courage to brave the efforts required. JCH
Thanks James.
I would like your opinion on waking others up of what is going on. I have for almost 30 years been aware of this but was considered crazy by most. Now that I have confirmation I feel free but the question is always.... What about other folks? I would love to know your opinion on this. Thanks.

[Whitehaze]

I think the majority is concious of the methods used on them to control them. They lack the understanding and education how to stand up to it. They believe they need the system in order to function. A good example is what recently happened in Egypt. The came to the point where they were tired of the corruption and they ousted the current leadership. But they stood waitng for the next one to fall into place, repeating the process again leaving themselves open to control again.

[Belle]

Welcome, James. So glad you are here with us.

I don't think there is one thing that has prevented needed change...there are layers upon layers upon layers of meme's that have been laid down over many generations. Once in the psyche of the majority of people, they take on a life of their own and are difficult if not impossible to shake loose. How hard to shake loose? ie. Consider when Bush said , after 911, that they (I believe he was speaking of Al Qaida) "are jealous of our freedoms". And people believed him. Of course they must be jealous, we're Americans...land of the free, home of the brave! And yet the truth was that 911 was being used as an excuse to take our "freedoms" away. We haven't been "free" in a very long time, if ever.

[ulli]

Welcome, James. So glad you are here with us.

I don't think there is one thing that has prevented needed change...there are layers upon layers upon layers of meme's that have been laid down over many generations. Once in the psyche of the majority of people, they take on a life of their own and are difficult if not impossible to shake loose. How hard to shake loose? ie. Consider when Bush said , after 911, that they (I believe he was speaking of Al Qaida) "are jealous of our freedoms". And people believed him. Of course they must be jealous, we're Americans...land of the free, home of the brave! And yet the truth was that 911 was being used as an excuse to take our "freedoms" away. We haven't been "free" in a very long time, if ever.

Well, the moment we take on a body we are pretty limited. I we want to fly we have to get on a plane, and go through all those security hassles.
But we are also free, in the sense that no one can take away the space we occupy.
There are all sorts of freedoms, if you want to take down the time and make a list.
So it comes down to your state of mind. I feel a lot freer now than I ever did before. And even though I have less cash coming in.
We here have our work cut out for us, point out to others that there are other realities than their own prison cells and that we know how to tunnel.

[ulli]

I think the majority is concious of the methods used on them to control them. They lack the understanding and education how to stand up to it. They believe they need the system in order to function. A good example is what recently happened in Egypt. The came to the point where they were tired of the corruption and they ousted the current leadership. But they stood waitng for the next one to fall into place, repeating the process again leaving themselves open to control again.

The public sector needs some leadership, no way would things work without that.
There will always be people who make decisons on roads, road repair, hospitals, schools, security.
Without that there would be chaos, no way of getting home. One just has to think of traffic jams when the traffic lights misfunction.
Finding honest leaders is an art.
People need to develop intuition to recognize deceivers. Expose corruption.

[TigerLilly]

I think the majority is concious of the methods used on them to control them. They lack the understanding and education how to stand up to it. They believe they need the system in order to function. A good example is what recently happened in Egypt. The came to the point where they were tired of the corruption and they ousted the current leadership. But they stood waitng for the next one to fall into place, repeating the process again leaving themselves open to control again.

I'm not sure that they are conscious of the methods being used Whithaze. I certainly wasn't until about 18 mths ago.
People see that society in general is heading in the wrong direction and needs changing but they do not see this as an organised plan by a controling few.
Most just see society as it is as something which has evolved naturally and now needs to be changed/redirected.

As you say James if people were fully aware of the problem that would be half the battle.

Should we all look at what woke us up? What made us start researching our true history. The information is all there, how do we persuade people to look?

[Pamela]

I was discussing this with my husband last night. It is obvious that we blindly, naively have faith that those in power are looking out for our best interests. We are taught from the minute we leave the womb to believe in others and to believe they are looking out for our well being. The ones of us who are over 40 years of age had an education system where most of the instructors did care about our education and morality. If we were disruptive we were “paddled” to bring us back in line. We were told by the educators and our parents they it was for our own good and it probably was! We believed in our parents and instructors; therefore, we believed in the political system because they were an extension of the “power” system that took care of us and knew what was best for us.

Somewhere along the way all that changed. Families broke down, teaching systems broke down, and the political system broke down. We soon learned not everyone cared. We soon learned that those with money had power. Unfortunately, those that have power no longer care if their actions bring negative consequences. They do not care if their action’s hurt society or the planet. It only matters if it brings them wealth.

The U.S. is a constitutional republic where the head of state and other officials are representatives of the people and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over all of its citizens. However, those they have been elected keep changing the constitional law without our consent. They determine what bills are passed regardless if they incumber our individual rights or freedoms. I don’t remember ever being asked if I wanted a particular bill passed, or if I agreed with the government spending programs that there was no budget for. Then they expect to tax us to pay for their programs that I never agreed to or even had any knowledge of.

With this being said, I think the key is to educate our children to think independently, to question what is being forced upon them, to find a way to change the patterns we were taught. I think a lot of what is happening now in the Middle East is coming from those in their 20’s and 30’s. They do not want to be lied to anymore. They do not want to accept that things have to stay the way they are. I do believe change is happening in a positive way. In the U.S. it may take longer because as long as the government is able to keep the social programs in place, (food stamps, unemployment, etc.) then the people will continue to let the government control them. They have that sense of security even though there security blanket may be full of holes.

I think this world is in crises. It may be though, that it takes a crises to pull all of us out of our slumber to wake up to the fact that it is up to all of us to make a stand against those who are trying to tear apart our world. If we are not able to do this, it seems that our planet is going to do it for us in a way we may not like: earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions and other types of adverse weather.

[Whitehaze]

I think the majority is concious of the methods used on them to control them. They lack the understanding and education how to stand up to it. They believe they need the system in order to function. A good example is what recently happened in Egypt. The came to the point where they were tired of the corruption and they ousted the current leadership. But they stood waitng for the next one to fall into place, repeating the process again leaving themselves open to control again.

The public sector needs some leadership, no way would things work without that.
There will always be people who make decisons on roads, road repair, hospitals, schools, security.
Without that there would be chaos, no way of getting home. One just has to think of traffic jams when the traffic lights misfunction.
Finding honest leaders is an art.
People need to develop intuition to recognize deceivers. Expose corruption.

I agree completely. There does need to be a structure in place to take responsibility for resources, education, health care etc. But it needs to be a structure that is not corruptable, as in nothing to gain personally from it. Eliminate the things that would make it courruptable such as power and greed.

The individuals who would take the resposibility would be just as equal to anyone else in society. Every individual would contribute to the whole. And the whole would contribute to the individual.

[Ahkenaten]

Wow -

A little humor on vampires and other beings from "transylvania" to lighten things up


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxcM3nCsglA

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Hi James and welcome friend :)
Do you believe this 'elite' are starting to lose their grip on us?

Thanks
Hurritt

[Eric]

James Hi

I have a couple of questions/ thoughts to consider.

What/who gives a monarch the right to occupy and rule a certain parcel of land on this planet?
If I was born here is this not my planet?
If I try to express ideas on this level, why am I met with such anger and refusal to even speculate on an answer?

I fear the next time I go to the store I will need a police check just to buy groceries.

Is it not the fact that we give our power to these individuals and that is precisely why they feel they can be our overlords.
(this is all ofcourse not taking into account the ET phenomena).

Cheers

Eric

[Ahkenaten]

OK James - I would like your explanation for the section 56:40 minutes into your tape below...................were you under the influence of something at the time you made this tape? How do your statements and more importantly, the emotions you are expressing relate to quality information worthwhile sharing with others let alone uplifting them?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14605-Can-We-TRUST-CHARLES-Our-REAL-HISTORY-and-the-E.T.-INVASION-*LIE*&p=151702&viewfull=1#post151702


Wouldn't you agree that the feelings projected in that portion of your tape are in synchrony, at best, with this cartoon clip?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxcM3nCsglA


Actually this You Tube Disney piece, especially the part at the beginning with the cute worm, is more appropriate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNo828PyDb4&feature=related

[James Horak]

Many might feel the imposition of "leadership" an essential element to society but the sublimation of authority is not. This sublimation has even combined with more than one estate, that of religion or even ordination as the leader himself being divine, even as late as the twentieth century in the example of the Emperor of Japan. Today in the USA, we have the development of a
Soviet style "cult of personality" wherein the President can set himself beyond any social contract and selectively enforce laws, encroach upon state governments, enact laws with Presidential
executive order, and brazenly betray his oath of office. We are not informed of the magnitude of this usurpation by the media simply because the non-enforcement of anti-trust laws through one administration after another has allowed a media cartel to establish itself and its agenda is itself, big business. EVERY safe-guard intended by the nation's founders has been circumvented while the next assault on personal freedoms looms upon us in the practice of rampant fear mongering. Now we have no expectation of right to privacy, to be searched and seized only under warrant and speedy trial. None at all. This is a stage set for feudal brutishness far more severe than anything we can glean from written history. JCH

[Ahkenaten]

You mean "brutishness" like sentiments expressed in section 56:40 of your taped interview referenced in my post #20, for example?

[torzbc]

In reference to post 20...
I have to express that nearly ALL the audio you have heard in the "Conversations with an Outsider" were private conversations between James and me, or James and OmetaOne... We do edit some things out but as a rule, we like to keep it as a conversational tone...
As to the content, James is never under any influence as is my experience and I CAN testify to this as I have spend every day for the last year speaking with James about various topics sometimes for up to 4 hours at a time. The only influence he has ever been under was a small tipple of Eggnog last Christmas.... if that is what you were asking for?
So, sometimes the things said do not seem relevant to a point but are kept in as they are a continuation of a conversation we have had at some point before...

Yes, there are really bad things happening in this world and not speaking about them won't make them go away.. James was trying to make the point that these people DO exist and yes, they are capable of horrific things most wouldn't even be able to conceive of....
I hope that helps...

[James Horak]

Try being explicit, Ahkenaten. People might think you equivocal. Let's show them you're just not trying to stir a pot of confusion. JCH

[Mystique]

I think that when we consider the fact that matter is energy, then everything we are expressing is really describing energy and how it is generated, contracted, expanded, magnified, diminished, directed or impeded, etc.

Vampire energy, by definition, then, sucks energy - much like a black hole, while loving energy magnifies and expands it - like a white hole.

Since we are conscious energy beings, then what directs our energy towards either sucking on the energy (i.e. attention, resources, money) systems around us, or magnifying it (i.e. validation, appreciation, sharing what we are and what we have) is our Mythos - our stories about Who we are, What we are, and Where we came from.

These stories are the foundational ways we, as a conscious species, either evolve or are manipulated to give our psychic energy over to those who create the stories (direct our energy) and then feed on us (our emotions, labor, and fruits of our labor - money).

The story that we are made by a God (instead of Being Eternal - with no beginning or ending), that we were tested (i.e. Garden of Eden), failed (sinned), and were cast out (abandoned by that who created us), sets us up psychically to feel guilty and bad about who we are, then we "try" to do things to make up for it (work harder, pray deeper, give more), and "judge" others for not doing the same ("damning" the flow of their energy), which manipulates us into giving our energy to the Vampires so they don't have to even work in order to suck our blood (taxes, fines, fees).

We just hand it over by the buckets full in order to prove we are worthy of their carrots and to avoid their whips - hoping that when we die they will forgive us for being human.

They created money to represent our life force, our energy (labor) and then control the flow of it.

When they want a bunch of our energy, they just turn the spigot off (stock market crash), and feast on our "life savings" (401Ks, home equity, stock portfolios).

They are banking on the fact that we are too "God fearing" to bite the hand that We are feeding.

It is quite brilliant in all of its' perversion. And Mind f@#*&#*!

[James Horak]

And excellent euphemism, Mystique, you should try your hand at poetry. JCH

[passiglight]

Ahh yes,,,,,,,,religion,,from the word go,,,,,,,

the all powerful belief that gods come from above

and if they are witnessed doing as expected then ,,,,,,voila,,,,,, the gods come down to earth.......


Mankind never had a chance,,,,,,,

The Bloodlines turned up,,,,,,and the humans got on their knees,,,,,,


what chance did we have,,,,,,,

The problem is the PTB have enforced their structure with knowledge brought from off world,,,,,humans never had a chance and it's been that way for so bloody long not only do people not even question it ,, but they have been twisted into believing they need it....

Where was ET when he was really needed,,,why didn't the all knowing step in straight away and deal with the bloody vampires when they had the chance ?????


OH,,, we'll just stand back and see how those poor humans deal with it !!!!


ET is complicit in allowing this slavery and it should never have happened,,,,,,,,and now TPB have trashed and poisoned not only this beautiful planet but the entire population on it..

It's total BS to say we cannot interfere,,,,,,,when ET knew so much that we humans didn't,,,,,,we had no idea what was outside of this planet,and the truth was kept from humans for soo long that now even if you tell the humans the truth they cannot comprehend it.....

Enlightened beings !!!!!

kept us all in the dark, till it was virtually too late,,,,,,,,,and what also of the millions that have died through starvation and have lived in the worst hell holes imaginable,,,,,,you can't just say,oh it's ok,their souls will go back to source where they will be fine,,,,,,,,,,

Mankind didn't have to learn through a lifetime of suffering,,,,,,,,


All ET had to do was quietly remove the worst offenders (the off world vampire scum bloodlines and the scum greys ) on this planet and give the humans the chance they deserved.......










Many might feel the imposition of "leadership" an essential element to society but the sublimation of authority is not. This sublimation has even combined with more than one estate, that of religion or even ordination as the leader himself being divine, even as late as the twentieth century in the example of the Emperor of Japan. Today in the USA, we have the development of a
Soviet style "cult of personality" wherein the President can set himself beyond any social contract and selectively enforce laws, encroach upon state governments, enact laws with Presidential
executive order, and brazenly betray his oath of office. We are not informed of the magnitude of this usurpation by the media simply because the non-enforcement of anti-trust laws through one administration after another has allowed a media cartel to establish itself and its agenda is itself, big business. EVERY safe-guard intended by the nation's founders has been circumvented while the next assault on personal freedoms looms upon us in the practice of rampant fear mongering. Now we have no expectation of right to privacy, to be searched and seized only under warrant and speedy trial. None at all. This is a stage set for feudal brutishness far more severe than anything we can glean from written history. JCH

[modwiz]

Hello James.
I really want to address your excellent subject at some length and intelligence but I am glad you are here with us. I enjoy your frank and down to earth matter as you discuss issues of utmost importance to us all here on this planet at this time.

I also want the intelligences on the EMV's to know that this Earth dweller is very appreciative of their work and the kindness they show to the life on this planet.

[Ahkenaten]

I think the timing on all this is interesting especially in the light that the Charles flap has somewhat died down...........now we pivot into this. My question, as always is - why this information? Why now? What is the intentions of those inserting this meme? (sorry Modwiz for getting serious!)

[Mystique]

Ahh yes,,,,,,,,religion,,from the word go,,,,,,,

the all powerful belief that gods come from above

and if they are witnessed doing as expected then ,,,,,,voila,,,,,, the gods come down to earth.......


Mankind never had a chance,,,,,,,

The Bloodlines turned up,,,,,,and the humans got on their knees,,,,,,


what chance did we have,,,,,,,

The problem is the PTB have enforced their structure with knowledge brought from off world,,,,,humans never had a chance and it's been that way for so bloody long not only do people not even question it ,, but they have been twisted into believing they need it....

Where was ET when he was really needed,,,why didn't the all knowing step in straight away and deal with the bloody vampires when they had the chance ?????


OH,,, we'll just stand back and see how those poor humans deal with it !!!!


ET is complicit in allowing this slavery and it should never have happened,,,,,,,,and now TPB have trashed and poisoned not only this beautiful planet but the entire population on it..

It's total BS to say we cannot interfere,,,,,,,when ET knew so much that we humans didn't,,,,,,we had no idea what was outside of this planet,and the truth was kept from humans for soo long that now even if you tell the humans the truth they cannot comprehend it.....

Enlightened beings !!!!!

kept us all in the dark, till it was virtually too late,,,,,,,,,and what also of the millions that have died through starvation and have lived in the worst hell holes imaginable,,,,,,you can't just say,oh it's ok,their souls will go back to source where they will be fine,,,,,,,,,,

Mankind didn't have to learn through a lifetime of suffering,,,,,,,,


All ET had to do was quietly remove the worst offenders (the off world vampire scum bloodlines and the scum greys ) on this planet and give the humans the chance they deserved.......










Many might feel the imposition of "leadership" an essential element to society but the sublimation of authority is not. This sublimation has even combined with more than one estate, that of religion or even ordination as the leader himself being divine, even as late as the twentieth century in the example of the Emperor of Japan. Today in the USA, we have the development of a
Soviet style "cult of personality" wherein the President can set himself beyond any social contract and selectively enforce laws, encroach upon state governments, enact laws with Presidential
executive order, and brazenly betray his oath of office. We are not informed of the magnitude of this usurpation by the media simply because the non-enforcement of anti-trust laws through one administration after another has allowed a media cartel to establish itself and its agenda is itself, big business. EVERY safe-guard intended by the nation's founders has been circumvented while the next assault on personal freedoms looms upon us in the practice of rampant fear mongering. Now we have no expectation of right to privacy, to be searched and seized only under warrant and speedy trial. None at all. This is a stage set for feudal brutishness far more severe than anything we can glean from written history. JCH

I think that if the ETs that are here violating the agreement of non-interference, were to be interfered with by those who are upholding the agreement, they would be lowering themselves to their level and there would be no "higher ground" to stand on.

Then, we would be by-standers of another Star Wars, and learn nothing about our own Eternal Beingness.

I think we are here to claim our Freedom without asking permission or trying to gain their compliance.

The question is, James, what do you think are some practical ways to do this, right now, today, that will lead in this direction?

It seems to me we are waiting for them to make their moves, and many of us are trying to figure out what their next moves are, but that doesn't seem empowering enough to make the changes necessary.

Is educating ourselves enough right now, or do we need to take certain actions? What actions can we take as individuals - given that there isn't enough of us collectively to turn the current course of action? What can we practically do to gain some traction, some momentum?

[Nortreb]

Is educating ourselves enough right now, or do we need to take certain actions? What actions can we take as individuals - given that there isn't enough of us collectively to turn the current course of action? What can we practically do to gain some traction, some momentum?

You know this question has been popping up in my daily contemplations lately since the Charles material has settled.

Great question, Mystique!

[Intraphase]

Welcome to Avalon Forum, thanks for coming.
How do you prefer to be addressed; Jim, James, JH, Mr. Horak?

[Mystique]

This is the thing that has been going around in circles. My relationship to money.

Money, to me, is a representation of energy, and its' flow.

It has been designed, implemented and maintained as a way to extract our psychic, spiritual, and physical energy to make and create a system that enslaves us into a 3-D perspective, when we are actually multi-dimensional.

So, in 3-D, without money I am forced to live in the woods spending my energy trying to survive, and keeping a few steps ahead of the Forest Rangers.

With money, I feel forced to participate in that which is enslaving me. No matter how I spend it, with whatever intention, I am perpetuating a system of debt slavery.

If I take the X amount of money I have to stock up supplies, and not pay my bills, I have X amount of time before there are knocks on my door and an escort off my property.

What do I do with X amount of money that will help me to be in alignment with my power and freedom? Is it how I spend the money that matters, or is it how I think about it?

What is an empowering way for me to think, and be, about money, while it is still the means the system is operating from?

[Carmody]

taken from another thread:



every person who takes out a loan should sue the bank that 'lent' it to them as a statement of not having to pay the bank, as the money never existed. sue them for proof of the funds existing, within the same month the loan is 'created'. Ie, stop payment, block payment, in the first few days of the literal 'creation' of the loan.

I did a personal loan about 4 years back, and sat there in the given office...and literally WATCHED the bank employee do that exact thing.

I literally saw her create the funds INTO my account.

The purpose...... is to control your emergent 'worth' in the integrated world of humans exchanging and bringing value into the world.

To re-iterate..as you emerge into the wold of how values have arisen to be "exchangeable 'money'" (an estimated unit value system of exchange and flow)...they ascribe value to you and own it in the same moment.

The given person's insanity or lack of depth of thought on the matter, is failing to see this for what it is. They (people) step into it with a lack of knowledge of the depth of what is happening.

Machiavellian half truths in an event sequenced system of control, on the individual level.

Close, but not quite.
Would you believe that the funds did exist?
That isn't the fraud, it is the source.
YOU are the source, when you sign the promise to pay, that is when the funds came into existence.
YOU created your own credit.
The fraud is they charge you interest and payments for your own credit.

I'm well aware of that. turn the tables.

Nail them on the point of the money creation.

Take them to court over it.

it does not matter if you win or not.

Expose the lie in the system.

One's bringing of value into the system is, right now, being expressed as debt ---owed to the bankers.

This is the lie that needs be exposed.

~~~~~~~

to add greater insult..as they create the money, they create a percentage of extra payment, so the funds and more, more that does not exist..needs be paid into it.

This whole thing is the vampiric state of Machiavellian money systems that are hidden from the public eye.

That humans arrive into the world as controlled debt, debt to the system.

Which is why the bankers and those involved in their system start wars, very much including world wars, in order to enact a scorched earth policy.

A scorched earth policy that is designed to break any rising public awareness of their activities, in the given theater of their operation.

See it for what it is.

America was used as a very powerful tool in that regard, in the past century. In the past 60 years that was highly accelerated.

The US system was apparently used as a launch pad for scorched earth policies and some countries also tried to get on on the game ...but seemingly...none were as successful that which controls the USA.

it appears as if...now that the USA has become useless in that regard due to the eventual downfall (which was inevitable and controlled in the extreme) , it's implosion is being used (on all levels) to create a new nightmare machine, of Machiavellian Fascist proportions that has not been seen on this earth before.

You wanted us to not mince words, James. You wanted explicit.

There you go.

Now. How to stop it? One tactic, is to simply bring it to light. Without rancor, as I'm doing right now.

However, that sort of tactic/dialogue is dangerous to this forum. A big problem, it is.

[ponda]

James Horak said:

That question is: what prevented necessary and forseeable change?, what constrains any society to repeat counter-productive patterns and to prevent finding the growth towards the viability at all social levels to evolve passed the immediate pressing problems that fall it?

Possibly the main reason that change is and has been prevented is the way our reality is structured.The whole structure of it is built around one purpose,that of control.From the ruling elite,financial systems,military industrial complex to the msm and education systems etc.Also in the modern age of communications and information access it has been important that the masses have been dumbed down with chemical additives etc and distracted with entertainments.All this while they are conditioned from an early age so as to not only function in this construct but defend their right to function in it.They don't know any better and so are easily controlled as long as there is food on the table and the tv is working.

But IMHO it goes deeper than this.It's all about consciousness.Why hasn't someone implemented a better and fairer society for us to live in ? Because the consciousness field that we are all connected to hasn't allowed this to manifest.Why ? Possibly because we are a small part of a larger inter-dimensional and inter-dependent environment and the whole environment is taken into account when big changes are implemented.But changes do happen and when they do timing is very important.I suspect that we approaching a time of great change right now.

Change has been prevented in the past so great change can occur at the right time in the very near future.

cheers

[ulli]

This is the thing that has been going around in circles. My relationship to money.

Money, to me, is a representation of energy, and its' flow.

It has been designed, implemented and maintained as a way to extract our psychic, spiritual, and physical energy to make and create a system that enslaves us into a 3-D perspective, when we are actually multi-dimensional.

So, in 3-D, without money I am forced to live in the woods spending my energy trying to survive, and keeping a few steps ahead of the Forest Rangers.

With money, I feel forced to participate in that which is enslaving me. No matter how I spend it, with whatever intention, I am perpetuating a system of slavery.

If I take the X amount of money I have to stock up supplies, and not pay my bills, I have X amount of time before there are knocks on my door and an escort off my property.

What do I do with X amount of money that will help me to be in alignment with my power and freedom? Is it how I spend the money that matters, or is it how I think about it?

What is an empowering way for me to think, and be, about money, while it is still the means the system is operating from?


Well, you yourself had the answer right there, in the first line of your post.
Money is a form of energy. And everyone uses it to suit their agenda.

People use money to manage their lives the way a mason uses marble to make a sculpture.
When the focus is on the creative process then all the other issues dissolve.

What are we creating?
Alarm clocks to wake people up, or Rolexes, to make them feel important?
Rooftop vegetable gardens, or bunkers to survive in?
Plough shares, or weapons to defend against real or imaginary enemies?

[James Horak]

James is fine, Intraphase. Modwiz, I focus initially on the EMVs because their presence BOTH in the rings of Saturn and the sun is apparent, as is their work on the rings in construction of them
and in the sun in reacting to solar sun spot activity, something fathomed by the Millennium Group of amateur astronomers early on before 2000. I had something to point to and to predict with accuracy so that I could go further into otherwise incredible aspects lost on those I had attempted to communicate such things before. Such attempts that even cost me further contact with Dr.
Bergrun himself, a man for whom I have every regard. And who, I might add, now agrees his "ringmakers" are in the sun. I speak about phenomena that have a firm basis in observable fact, just not dealt with on any scale by media or conventional science...and a cottage industry ufology grasping in its territoriality. JCH

[Mystique]

So, given everything that has been said about money thus far (which is brilliant by the way), are we saying then that we continue to operate with money until the "timing is right"?

Does that mean we continue to pay our bills, and our taxes by the April 15th, until "They" make their BIG next move (pick which one: collapse of dollar, epidemic, raise in oil prices, engineered weather disaster, food riots, etc. etc.)?

Is the "right timing" their move, or ours?

What if we didn't pay taxes this year? What if we filed a class action law suit asking for our share of the all the credit generated with our loan signatures? What if we stocked up supplies, paid our utilities and mortgages, filled up our tanks, then didn't buy ANYTHING for a week?

What can WE do with this energy that is proactive instead of reactive? How can we direct it to a way that serves us - or do we wait until it collapses and come up with something better?

Should we initiate the collapse in a way that benefits us, or wait until they do it in a way that benefits them? Or is Us and Them the wrong way to look at it?

[ponda]

The problem with money is the unequal distribution of it and the greed that comes from this.

I think we should not waste our money on unnecessary consumption.We are stuck inside the matrix and i think that we should be aware of this and to try to help others and do the right thing.

cheers

[Nortreb]

So, given everything that has been said about money thus far (which is brilliant by the way), are we saying then that we continue to operate with money until the "timing is right"?

Does that mean we continue to pay our bills, and our taxes by the April 15th, until "They" make their BIG next move (pick which one: collapse of dollar, epidemic, raise in oil prices, engineered weather disaster, food riots, etc. etc.)?

Is the "right timing" their move, or ours?

What if we didn't pay taxes this year? What if we filed a class action law suit asking for our share of the all the credit generated with our loan signatures? What if we stocked up supplies, paid our utilities and mortgages, filled up our tanks, then didn't buy ANYTHING for a week?

What can WE do with this energy that is proactive instead of reactive?
I understand your point, Mystique.

I find it easy to do the things in relation to my current living structure that are consistent with the reality that I desire by becoming more aware of my personal vibration and my connectio to the Universal vibration. This allows me to see the basis of my intent in what I am doing. To feel if it is consistent with my intent. It is quite a challenge but it works in climbing out of the mental prison that has been imposed on the planet.

[Carmody]

So, given everything that has been said about money thus far (which is brilliant by the way), are we saying then that we continue to operate with money until the "timing is right"?

Does that mean we continue to pay our bills, and our taxes by the April 15th, until "They" make their BIG next move (pick which one: collapse of dollar, epidemic, raise in oil prices, engineered weather disaster, food riots, etc. etc.)?

Is the "right timing" their move, or ours?

What if we didn't pay taxes this year? What if we filed a class action law suit asking for our share of the all the credit generated with our loan signatures? What if we stocked up supplies, paid our utilities and mortgages, filled up our tanks, then didn't buy ANYTHING for a week?

What can WE do with this energy that is proactive instead of reactive?
I understand your point, Mystique.

I find it easy to do the things in relation to my current living structure that are consistent with the reality that I desire by becoming more aware of my personal vibration and my connection to the Universal vibration. This allows me to see the basis of my intent in what I am doing. To feel if it is consistent with my intent. It is quite a challenge but it works in climbing out of the mental prison that has been imposed on the planet.

I just brought it up so it can be framed and then put aside. I don't think much of it, beyond that explanatory point. I'm not interested in their machine or what they advertise to me as the only viable replacement.

I'm not interested in responding to the beating of the drums. I'm not going into 'the next stage of the net' that has been prepared for this one. :)

If they had a value system where my worth was expressed to me or was expressed to others according to their value (not as debt), then this system would explode into glorious being but it is not......as the values are being assigned to sociopathic vampires.

people have to stop sleeping... as what is sociopathic in this system does not have it's personage asleep or go off course ---for even one second of it's existence. Never forget that. Rust never sleeps, as Niel Young (and others) have said. They are ON and pressuring you out of existence for every second that they breathe. They've done it long enough that they don't have to think about it any more, in the larger conscious way. Right now, those who wish to overcome it are likely going to have to be conscious of it and to hold that shape of countering it every step and inch, for quite some time.

One cannot fall asleep for even a while. Otherwise it will move back into position. Recall, it never sleeps. Ergo.....neither can you.

What I mean ...is to head back to the spiritual (evolution) side of things, from that mundane standpoint.

[Mystique]

Thank you Nortreb. I am operating that way every day and being more mindful of how and where I "spend" my energy.

I am just wondering if despite my mindfulness I am perpetuating a system that is designed to use that energy against me and how I can step up my level of non-participation towards something Greater.

At this point, anything Great I can think of to direct it towards can just as easily be taken away from me. For example, my deed on my house/rental lists ME as "tenant". I have no owner rights on paper despite the good stewardship of the land.

[modwiz]

The vampire elite present us with a problem that is far more than it appears to be and I think that is the whole point of opening this discussion up to exploring
I think it is worth taking the time to posit a concept or two here that I believe germane to a deeper understanding of the challenges we face with regards to the "vampire" problem.

All vampires are parasites and live off of the life force found in living beings both human and otherwise. Humans have a psychic/emotional component we can call "loosh" that is very nourishing to 4th dimensional beings. Fear and anger are the bread and butter emotions for these discarnate entities. Blood and other deep bodily secretions also hold rich amounts of life force and hold their own unique niche as a resource for the vampires.

Now for the pervasiveness of this problem:
We all know or knew someone who is a psychic vampire. These are people who stir up any kind of discord and "feed" off of the emanations produced by emotions like fear, anger and frustration.
Most of these people are not consciously aware of these behaviors and by the fact that they are friends, acquaintances, lovers and family they constitute a very real fifth column into our personal lives by the vampire elite. Like miners they reach into the societal body for the "owners" of the concern and produce rich amounts of negative emotional energy that are released into the biosphere to create the conditions that set up for further extraction of this "loosh" that is produced in copious amounts by our various media outlets.

There is a very real connection and relationship between the vampire elite and their 4th dimensional overlords. The bloody and fear riddled human sacrifices that go on in almost every town in America on certain energetically auspicious days provide a particualry rich food for the discarnates. So much so that they are able to manifest briefly by dint of both nourishment and the dimensional overlays of these specific days.

The incarnate vampire elite do all they can to ensure that the psychic/emotional climate favors their machinations. Control of resources and the fear produced by worry of a lack of said resources generates a fertile ground as well as an energetic constant for greater amplification of this field that they and their overlords require. Wars and even slaughterhouses are particularly rich sources of this energy. Consuming the products of these abattoirs also infects us with chemicals that keep a base emotion of fear and terror present in our emotional bodies. This base setting allows the constant barrage of fear and anger producing news and entertainment to have a running start in our psyches.

It is for all of these reasons that we are kept frustrated, angry and fearful as a society. Ridiculous laws that prohibit the simplest of harmless conducts are to infuriate us and fortify a sense of helplessness and being trapped. Like the millions of poor animals penned in filth and torment to satisfy our palates. Even this is a set up. Those of us who see this horror are affected negatively one way while those who consume the products are touched in another. All the while the vampires and their 4th density counterparts feast on this torrent of terror.

The war on terror, another fear producing product with the tributary of war and more fear and torture and lots of hate stream into the ethers to feed and strengthen these vampires.

So, who is going to stop this? Who has the power to stop this?

It was said and can be said that the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Like an unused tool the opportunity lies there, at hand, waiting to be employed. Unfortunately this tool appears to be visible to only a few. Too few to matter.

It is not for me to instruct here but to tell an allegory of sorts. I am hoping others will pick up this story and fill it out with ideas to move forward.

For more on this and a better definition of the term "loosh" please go here: http://montalk.net/matrix/64/emotional-management

[Mystique]

Thank you Modwiz. That was very elegantly stated.

So, if we put our energies towards "stopping them" they eat it up. The power of our attention is on THEM.

If we put our energies towards perfecting our passions and what makes us feel alive and vibrant, OUR energy is OUR food.

Is that what you are saying?

(Never heard the term "loosh" before. Where does that come from?)

[modwiz]

Thank you Modwiz. That was very elegantly stated.

So, if we put our energies towards "stopping them" they eat it up. The power of our attention is on THEM.

If we put our energies towards perfecting our passions and what makes us feel alive and vibrant, OUR energy is OUR food.

Is that what you are saying?

(Never heard the term "loosh" before. Where does that come from?)

http://montalk.net/matrix/64/emotional-management

The link I posted here is a site that is run by a young man I have a lot of respect for. Loosh is a term for the "food" we produce from negative emotions that feed 4th dimensional negative/STS entities.

This other link is crucial knowledge also

http://montalk.net/matrix/67/the-art-of-hyper-dimensional-war

[James Horak]

It has been suggested in this thread that consciousness is central to our crisis. Rather, I would describe it, split consciousness is so. This, however, might wait for a new thread since it is an even more controversial topic than the actions and mechanisms of an errant and aberrant elite out of control, obsessed with proving to itself it cannot be overcome. Notice I don't say, themselves, so
single-minded is this madness, this fist to the Universe...taken as such by intelligent forces with the ability to overcome these monsters in a breath.

[modwiz]

It has been suggested in this thread that consciousness is central to our crisis. Rather, I would describe it, split consciousness is so. This, however, might wait for a new thread since it is an even more controversial topic than the actions and mechanisms of an errant and aberrant elite out of control, obsessed with proving to itself it cannot be overcome. Notice I don't say, themselves, so
single-minded is this madness, this fist to the Universe...taken as such by intelligent forces with the ability to overcome these monsters in a breath.

I look forward to this next thread.

I am glad this dialogue is beginning.

[Eric]

How do you fight something you cannot perceive?
Is the war won on the ground (3D ) or in the air (ether ) ?

[Intraphase]

James is fine, Intraphase. Modwiz, I focus initially on the EMVs because their presence BOTH in the rings of Saturn and the sun is apparent, as is their work on the rings in construction of them
and in the sun in reacting to solar sun spot activity, something fathomed by the Millennium Group of amateur astronomers early on before 2000. I had something to point to and to predict with accuracy so that I could go further into otherwise incredible aspects lost on those I had attempted to communicate such things before. Such attempts that even cost me further contact with Dr.
Bergrun himself, a man for whom I have every regard. And who, I might add, now agrees his "ringmakers" are in the sun. I speak about phenomena that have a firm basis in observable fact, just not dealt with on any scale by media or conventional science...and a cottage industry ufology grasping in its territoriality. JCH

It is a great focal point for a discussion because if the evidence holds up; and I have seen that there are many credible instances of sun based objects observed and photographed then it helps tie the whole scheme of systems and balances together in some debatable hyperspatial approach with real time and real space position markers being observed. The gist being the over arching inter relationship of planetary solar galactic universal structures and redundant layering of fail safes.

Sometimes the systems approach is lacking due to what I would also concur is an inherent territorial approach to UFO observation and analysis.
Looking forward to the discussions and related subjects.

Art

[aikisaw]

Ponda wrote

But IMHO it goes deeper than this.It's all about consciousness.Why hasn't someone implemented a better and fairer society for us to live in ? Because the conenvironment and the whole environment is taken into account when big changes are implemented.But changes do happen and when they do timing is very important.I suspect that we approaching a time of great change right now.sciousness field that we are all connected to hasn't allowed this to manifest.Why ? Possibly because we are a small part of a larger inter-dimensional and inter-dependent

I think we are born with the consciousness that you are speaking of. It is taken or reeducated out of you at an early age. You are separated from your family and taught by strangers at 5 years old in my life sooner for the younger people. You are taught to be good little consumer and worker bee at school, to fear god, and your bad deeds at church. In my experience they did not spend much time on love and higher conscious.

The vampires have no such emotional and intellectual hurdles to overcome. I was worried about being late on my car payment they are torturing and killing people and animals in rituals. We are not playing the same game let alone by the same rules.

I have a concern that the great awakening that is occurring is somehow planned or being allowed to happen. This was foreseen by the Vampires and they are not so much as trying to stop it but set to control the outcome.

What will happen when the construct comes down? To those who have awareness this could not happen soon enough. What about those who do not want to awaken? They will terrified, scared out of their minds. Will this provide even more of the energy that Modwiz spoke of? Will this make the vampires stronger?

I think this is an important thread. I think these ideas need to be discussed.

Thanks to all who wrote here.

[modwiz]

What will happen when the construct comes down? To those who have awareness this could not happen soon enough. What about those who do not want to awaken? They will terrified, scared out of their minds. Will this provide even more of the energy that Modwiz spoke of? Will this make the vampires stronger?

I think this is an important thread. I think these ideas need to be discussed.

Thanks to all who wrote here.

I agree with you wholeheartedly aikisaw. As soon as I saw the thread James started here I was excited because I knew we had begun a conversation more important than either his thread title or short post made immediately apparent.

[ponda]

aikisaw said:

What will happen when the construct comes down? To those who have awareness this could not happen soon enough. What about those who do not want to awaken? They will terrified, scared out of their minds. Will this provide even more of the energy that Modwiz spoke of? Will this make the vampires stronger?


I think that everyone will get their chance to wake up to what is and has been going on here for a long time.Yes it will be a rude shock for many but it has to happen.What is happening in the Middle East and Northern Africa is a part of this process.I suspect that there will be much more to come this year and next.The upper level of the control matrix will most likely be the last to awaken so it could be a bumpy ride.


eric said:

How do you fight something you cannot perceive?
Is the war won on the ground (3D ) or in the air (ether ) ?

You might be fighting it now by raising your awareness level.

The war might be won inside of us.

[James Horak]

Yes, I agree with aikisaw on several points, exceedingly significant ones. Humanity here is able to have unified consciousness until it is murdered by the practice of teaching the child to dissemble just to be acceptable and when the inconsistencies shown between expectation and practice cause their own process of disassociation to be bestowed. But then we step off into the substance for another thread when I go into earth's inconsistent gravity wave and its absence of helium to respiration...ultimately into the opportunizing of these factors into gaping even further the world difference that comes to be between the two minds. And how this is shown by the mere presence of reverse speech. But we are getting ahead of ourselves. It might be mutually edifying at this point instead, to share and discuss a movie, Dogville, for the value of its microcosm to us now. JCH

[Tangri]

Welcome to Avalon,

Nice to see you here.

[torzbc]

James, as per usual, we are on the same wave length... I am only copying this post I just wrote in the other thread as it pertains to a sound knowledge base of some of the things you have discussed... If the other members here don't mind I will copy it here for reference as it is important for us ALL to gain as much knowledge as soon as we can, in order to effect a change for the better here....
So with your permission....


Re: Can We TRUST CHARLES? Our REAL HISTORY and the E.T. INVASION *LIE*
Originally Posted by qbeac
So, let’s hope that James Horak’s case is different and the Q&A sessions are conducted in an orderly manner, because it is possible indeed to do it that way.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14605-Can-We-TRUST-CHARLES-Our-REAL-HISTORY-and-the-E.T.-INVASION-*LIE*&p=161280&posted=1#post161280

Torz replied.....

Do you know what, that is one of the most sensible idea's I have heard in a while.....

I have spent a year in INTENSE mind discussion with James and if someone were to ask me what I had learnt, I would ask them how long do you have for me to explain this....pull up a chair and we may, may be finished in a couple of days.... It is NOT something that can be understood in 10 minutes, it takes Self-Discovery, an open enquiring mind, a Moral Core with the determination to do the right thing, time after time and the capacity for growth...

It is almost too difficult to begin to express or put into words, it has become a mind expanding 3D reality for me and many others, our concept of time, space, Humanity, the Cosmos, our true history, what needs to change and why...is SO different to what we have been taught. It is not something that CAN be explained in a few posts. To be taken to clarity with a sound knowledge base, to be able to put all eventualities from A to Z without faltering in-between or returning to a previous centring point and then work them into a probablility is something that is learnt...

Unless you have Unified Consciousness, which we do not.....


However, do not let that be a barrier to any one who is open to gaining knowing and growth... This is NOT Rocket Science.

If you WANT to know the truth and have a moral outrage at what is being done to our planet and the people on it, if something feels right, adds up, makes sense, is open and forth coming with answers and information, if you are able to connect the dots, fill in the puzzle pieces.... Then for me, that is worth my time and attention.

I don't know what to suggest with regards James and his answering questions... I started the blog in chronological order last September as I felt I had to start documenting what I was learning. ( OmetaOne too was already tirelessly making the 4 videos's and doing his own research ) He did not just tell me these things, I had to have asound knowledge base from which to start with... I had to work HARD for my own self-discoveries... I became a crack shot researcher because I am nosey and get like a dog with a bone and a DRIVEN NEED to find the truth...

So in a way, it will hopefully be easier for any one else that strikes chords with what James is saying to be able to go there, start from the beginning and just make themselves familiar with the work that we have put on the Blog and on OmetaOne's site, Youtube accounts and Facebook.

I can't stress this enough and if people have access to Kevin Smith shows, the 7 or 8 shows he did with Kevin can be downloaded from his site. Also, if you a member of Veritas, Mel did an astonishing interview with James last Summer... However if you don't then I highly recommend that you listen to the 4 video's that we made, sound bites were taken from all the shows and compressed into impacting and important information, giving the listener a good knowledge base to begin with.

If you know nothing about James, then please, start with this. Even if you do, watch them again, there is so much info contained within them that it can take many listenings before it all sinks in and comes together...
They can be found here on OmetaOnes YT site:
http://www.youtube.com/user/OmetaOne#p/p

You see beautiful, immortal souls, this is an individual journey for each of us, if you are open to it.The souls growth is all yours....yet impacts us all as a collective consciousness.... I promise you, the rewards are mind expanding... we are not who we think we are and time does not exist as we know it, in fact, if time travel ever existed anywhere, it is here with us NOW.

But that is a whole other story.......

[aikisaw]

Ponda wrote

I think that everyone will get their chance to wake up to what is and has been going on here for a long time.Yes it will be a rude shock for many but it has to happen.What is happening in the Middle East and Northern Africa is a part of this process.I suspect that there will be much more to come this year and next.The upper level of the control matrix will most likely be the last to awaken so it could be a bumpy ride.


I agree that many will get the chance. I'm referring to the ones who do not want it. The people who have invested their whole life in the construct. Who once the old one is destroyed will want to build another stronger one.

Our ideas will be in direct conflict with these people. How that is resolved will be important to the type of world/universe we create.

Lindsey Williams had some interesting points on the Middle East and Northern Africa. You can listen here

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14848-Lindsey-Williams-on-AJones-insider-design-of-Mid-East-DESTABILIZATION!-Feb.22.2011&highlight=lindsey+williams+alex+jones

I do not know if Lindsey is right. He has been correct in the past.

For what it is worth I hope you are right and Lindsey is wrong.

[Tangri]

If we are conscious of the methods used upon us, that is half the battle. Defeating them requires the moral assurance we must and the courage to brave the efforts required. JCH

I believe, They were using their wealth to buy human loyalties Their weakest point are purity and love.
If Humans wake up and have a spare time from their endless hunger satisfying efforts, they will figure it out that they are more stronger than they thought with human purity and Love.
Sincerely love and peace

[aikisaw]

James, as per usual, we are on the same wave length... I am only copying this post I just wrote in the other thread as it pertains to a sound knowledge base of some of the things you have discussed... If the other members here don't mind I will copy it here for reference as it is important for us ALL to gain as much knowledge as soon as we can, in order to effect a change for the better here....
So with your permission....


Re: Can We TRUST CHARLES? Our REAL HISTORY and the E.T. INVASION *LIE*
Originally Posted by qbeac
So, let’s hope that James Horak’s case is different and the Q&A sessions are conducted in an orderly manner, because it is possible indeed to do it that way.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14605-Can-We-TRUST-CHARLES-Our-REAL-HISTORY-and-the-E.T.-INVASION-*LIE*&p=161280&posted=1#post161280

Torz replied.....

Do you know what, that is one of the most sensible idea's I have heard in a while.....

I have spent a year in INTENSE mind discussion with James and if someone were to ask me what I had learnt, I would ask them how long do you have for me to explain this....pull up a chair and we may, may be finished in a couple of days.... It is NOT something that can be understood in 10 minutes, it takes Self-Discovery, an open enquiring mind, a Moral Core with the determination to do the right thing, time after time and the capacity for growth...

It is almost too difficult to begin to express or put into words, it has become a mind expanding 3D reality for me and many others, our concept of time, space, Humanity, the Cosmos, our true history, what needs to change and why...is SO different to what we have been taught. It is not something that CAN be explained in a few posts. To be taken to clarity with a sound knowledge base, to be able to put all eventualities from A to Z without faltering in-between or returning to a previous centring point and then work them into a probablility is something that is learnt...

Unless you have Unified Consciousness, which we do not.....


However, do not let that be a barrier to any one who is open to gaining knowing and growth... This is NOT Rocket Science.

If you WANT to know the truth and have a moral outrage at what is being done to our planet and the people on it, if something feels right, adds up, makes sense, is open and forth coming with answers and information, if you are able to connect the dots, fill in the puzzle pieces.... Then for me, that is worth my time and attention.

I don't know what to suggest with regards James and his answering questions... I started the blog in chronological order last September as I felt I had to start documenting what I was learning. ( OmetaOne too was already tirelessly making the 4 videos's and doing his own research ) He did not just tell me these things, I had to have asound knowledge base from which to start with... I had to work HARD for my own self-discoveries... I became a crack shot researcher because I am nosey and get like a dog with a bone and a DRIVEN NEED to find the truth...

So in a way, it will hopefully be easier for any one else that strikes chords with what James is saying to be able to go there, start from the beginning and just make themselves familiar with the work that we have put on the Blog and on OmetaOne's site, Youtube accounts and Facebook.

I can't stress this enough and if people have access to Kevin Smith shows, the 7 or 8 shows he did with Kevin can be downloaded from his site. Also, if you a member of Veritas, Mel did an astonishing interview with James last Summer... However if you don't then I highly recommend that you listen to the 4 video's that we made, sound bites were taken from all the shows and compressed into impacting and important information, giving the listener a good knowledge base to begin with.

If you know nothing about James, then please, start with this. Even if you do, watch them again, there is so much info contained within them that it can take many listenings before it all sinks in and comes together...
They can be found here on OmetaOnes YT site:
http://www.youtube.com/user/OmetaOne#p/p

You see beautiful, immortal souls, this is an individual journey for each of us, if you are open to it.The souls growth is all yours....yet impacts us all as a collective consciousness.... I promise you, the rewards are mind expanding... we are not who we think we are and time does not exist as we know it, in fact, if time travel ever existed anywhere, it is here with us NOW.

But that is a whole other story.......

Thank you for this post. I had not heard of James until yesterday when I listened to his Charles break down. Truth be told I did not know he was the thread starter until someone linked it.

I had to take a smart pill or two, just to understand his response to my post. Which was awesome because I knew I would have to research these things just to keep up.

Your post let me know my instincts are right.

[Revere]

First great Thread (finally...it has been a bit dry of late)

Second, what will be the name of the second Thread?

And...

Are we not talking about creating a collective conscious awakening out of a positive loving reality that we want and manifest instead of the current fear dominated collective consciousness? James, do we need to work at a level which includes cleansing the imbedded negative concepts in our own subconsciosness and our regular consciousness? What level of participation would this require from all humanity as a whole to manifest? Are their ways to game the numbers with Technology?
Please some thoughts?

-R-

[James Horak]

All the ptb have is technology. When it is driven by those whose purpose is limited to task, how satisfied with their own security can they be when their purpose is no more to those that have just exterminated most of the planet and want to rewrite history with no witnesses to refute their self-edifications? Just like the stupidity behind these free trade zones to be used to secretly stock Chinese military for the final takeover...yeah the Chinese want new masters?....might just as easily side with the patriots....the inscrutable Chinese...thank God for that. Technology is just as good as the person sitting at the keyboard.
Revere, I would suggest the something like, The Role of Split Consciousness in the Enslavement of Mankind. What do you think? JCH

[passiglight]

How much time do we have left james to work all this mess out ?

[Carmody]

James is fine, Intraphase. Modwiz, I focus initially on the EMVs because their presence BOTH in the rings of Saturn and the sun is apparent, as is their work on the rings in construction of them
and in the sun in reacting to solar sun spot activity, something fathomed by the Millennium Group of amateur astronomers early on before 2000. I had something to point to and to predict with accuracy so that I could go further into otherwise incredible aspects lost on those I had attempted to communicate such things before. Such attempts that even cost me further contact with Dr.
Bergrun himself, a man for whom I have every regard. And who, I might add, now agrees his "ringmakers" are in the sun. I speak about phenomena that have a firm basis in observable fact, just not dealt with on any scale by media or conventional science...and a cottage industry ufology grasping in its territoriality. JCH

It is a great focal point for a discussion because if the evidence holds up; and I have seen that there are many credible instances of sun based objects observed and photographed then it helps tie the whole scheme of systems and balances together in some debatable hyperspatial approach with real time and real space position markers being observed. The gist being the over arching inter relationship of planetary solar galactic universal structures and redundant layering of fail safes.

Sometimes the systems approach is lacking due to what I would also concur is an inherent territorial approach to UFO observation and analysis.
Looking forward to the discussions and related subjects.

Art

I have an exceedingly high sensitivity to sunspot activity, regarding expanded and accelerated awareness and reach/energy.

If the sunspot activity goes to what it was in 1998-2000, I'll be almost feel like I'm set on fire with energy and capacity.

The connection is not lost, but it's specific meaning is not yet clear, to this one.

I just happened to be hearing this for the first time while typing this post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgvCK1EKaTw

[Carmody]

How do you fight something you cannot perceive?
Is the war won on the ground (3D ) or in the air (ether ) ?

IMO and IME, the forming of clarity in the eye of the mind/being...of the moment.....of both.

[Revere]

All the ptb have is technology. When it is driven by those whose purpose is limited to task, how satisfied with their own security can they be when their purpose is no more to those that have just exterminated most of the planet and want to rewrite history with no witnesses to refute their self-edifications? Just like the stupidity behind these free trade zones to be used to secretly stock Chinese military for the final takeover...yeah the Chinese want new masters?....might just as easily side with the patriots....the inscrutable Chinese...thank God for that. Technology is just as good as the person sitting at the keyboard.
Revere, I would suggest the something like, The Role of Split Consciousness in the Enslavement of Mankind. What do you think? JCH

James,
I think that enough people gathered and singularly motivated in their Intention can elevate our consciousness out of Love and purity of effort to a new level or vibration which will break the constructs of fear. It may start small but can grow. As hope begins to dawn more of humanity will be attracted to this form of consciousness and will join in. It will snowball and be a changing of the tided at some level of participation and collective thought (at what level I do not know) and we will believe and gain the critical mass to break clean of the fear placed in our current reality that drives us to a lower frequency of being.

Because thought is energy perhaps there are affective ways to amplify this Intent as we practice. What they are I do not know. Our secret to success will ultimately be from our sincerity and purity of our Intent for ourselves and each other out of Love. The elite & Vampires are not interested in feeding on our Love and we can move beyond their realities vibration.

I do not see clever action or timing in this current reality on our part as the solution. Humanity is sick on the inside and we must be in charge of working to heal ourselves by our individual desire and being in tune with the Creator and not the false gods of this realities materialism that we have accepted. That for me is where our liberation arises. It's an inside job and our decision to organize and execute.

Those are my thoughts.


Peace,
-R-

[ulli]

Hey everyone!!
Great focus here in this little universe.
Reminds me of that Bruce Willis movie "5th Element".
When all is in place that big beam of light shines down.
No more fragments. All is being connected. Heavenly power, pure magic.
We will all have our magic wands soon. Sparkles****

And the Evil Empire, as so well depicted by the great Stanley Kubrick in Eyes Wide Shut, will crumble. And be forgotten.
And we will stir the ship with all 7 billion still intact, all will have their clean air, water, organic foods, seeds, and free internet access.

[divine_moments_of_truth]

Greed was our demise

[Mystique]

James, I would really like to see that new thread on split consciousness. Figuring out how to stitch the two together has been my focus for all my adult life.

I think it was you that said that there is the Soul and the Mind and the Spirit is what unites the two.

I think you also implied in one of your conversations that it is doubt that separates the two.

So doubt is the separator between Soul and Spirit - that effects the Mind's perception of reality. Is that correct?

If so, then how do we resolve doubt?

It seems like doubt is what tears the seams of the fabric of consciousness making it "appear" as if something can exist separated from what it is.

It is all an illusion of perception, rather than a Reality, but so many of us are "at loose ends," spinning around in circles, that we forget we are the weavers of space and time just by and through our existence in it.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

In my opinion, we are so far from where we came from ~ that it is quite daunting to consider how to make our way back. For one thing even if the Vampire Elites went away and were not here, there remains a problem that people have forgotten who they are and why we even agreed to come to Earth and experience all that we have while living and incarnating here.

Right here at this point, there are some who will stop to argue even within their own minds, whether reincarnation is true or not and they will not be able to progress farther than that single thought. Can you see part of the problem? We have patterns of denial that stop us every foot of the way and these must be eliminated through our own understanding and remembrance.

Even in this thread, there is a lack of understanding about the consequences if we didn't have rulers and overlords such as riots in the streets, chaos, injury. This is risky landscape. Do you not realize that there is only a mere 1% who are doing all the damage? The other 99% and this may surprise you ~ they are decent law abiding folks who can govern themselves. Amazing! Do you believe me? We are so quick to condemn and disrespect ourselves, we do it matter of factly to others, we spend more time that anything else debating junk issues that have no value in our lives. We weave webs that are not self-sustaining or worthy of our attention when others are available if we can break through our own barriers and limitations.

We have complete blinders on when it comes to caring about others; for instance, those who are paying tax dollars to bomb with drones, kill without discrimination ~ woman, children, young, elderly and animals. We can't seem to get past our own need to provide for our families and through fear we pay taxes and comply with laws that are so ridiculous, it's pathetic. What is lacking is courage, personal, and collective courage to say, "No. Stop. This far and no farther."

If you pay taxes and do not join with millions of others who chaff at this great hardship and absolutely refuse, you are honorary members of the vampire elite. You are buying new drones to kill those in Pakistan, Iraq, Afganistan while threatening to do the same in Iran and all over the world. By not protesting this and so many other issues that come up each day; by allowing your health coverage, your pensions, your savings, your investments, your homes to be foreclosed illegally. Standing by and watching, ever fearful of when it will affect you and not really lift hands or voices loud enough to change even a single small thing. As a collective spirit and body ~ Well, it must be okay with you. You must continue to pay taxes and allow your bogus and illegally elected officials ~ to take bribes and sell you down the river; you must watch despicable judments come down from the Supreme Court of the Land.

You must obey each and every one of the hundreds and hundreds of laws ~ or be scorned, ridiculed, and possibly imprisoned. You are fearful of looking too closely because you have an inherent knowing that there is rot not only in Denmark but right here in the U.S. of A. Go ahead and sing along with Lee Greenwood and bury your ignorance in the cemetery of all that has been killed and destroyed in your name including the American Dream you once had. If you can find your voice and sing a tribute to American and not notice the blood dripping off the flag, by all means, do it.

When you can stand by and watch others be imprisoned and enslaved and count yourself lucky not to be among them and you say nothing about it; well, you are an honorary member of the Vampire Elite. If you can take time to chit chat about education when no such thing has existed on this continent for nearly a century and not see where this has lead you. If you can watch and particpate in a health care industry that promotes illness, and regulatory agencies set up to protect, as they add toxics on every front ~ in your food, your medicine, offering toxic vaccines, and do too many things to count that go against decency and free will.

Well, even some are afraid to speak on Avalon ~ never mind they are with like-minded spirits or not. Afraid because others might get in here, methods are at hand for governments to know everything we do, think, say, or write and please be quiet and do not notice me as I really don't want any more trouble than I already have ~ what with the economic disaster, the loss of my job, my house under foreclosure, my utilities about to be turned off, the hardship putting food on the table but you know~ what can I do about any of it? If I step into the light, they will just throw me in prison and I will be disgraced by my own family. Okay, what is wrong with this picture and what will it take to light a fire that has power to illuminate your body, mind, spirit and soul? If the time isn't now ~ when will it be?

Let's go back to the beginning if you will: What if no Vampire Elite remained on Earth? How many would feel free to come out of their homes, if they are lucky enough to have one, how many will be able to stand in their own light, their power, their talents and move out of this mess and start creating something new and wonderful where all can share in the abundance of Earth? I'd like you to be thinking about that.

I often wonder what it will take to light a fire under our behinds so that we will become authentic people again. I quit working and paying taxes in 1992 on principle, and as a meal principles are slim pickens. I quit my job so that I didn't have any wages to tax. I did not dodge the IRS and I did not contribute either. Was this a good way to live? Harsh.

We, as individuals and collectively are not understood nor accepted if we do not comply with the status quo. It's as simple as that and I know this from personal experience. What is the answer here?

I don't know but I do know this much. As long as the Vampires can get away with these tremendous injustices, as long as their bad behavior is rewarded and they can walk free without consciousness and as long as we allow them to do this without a mandate of accountability, and I mean real accountability not some fake commitee of liars.

Well, we must stay where we are and wait for someone to come forward and at least spark our remembrance of who we are and where we were going so many eons ago. No Savior, No Messiah, No King. Yet most are paralyzed with fear waiting for others to guide them. Don't laugh now but some are waiting for the Anti-Christ. We left those needs with the end of the Age of Pisces ~ it is time to enter the Age of Aquarius where many step forward in unity and stand in their own power and light and guide us through a fast process of remembrance, just so we can reclaim our own powers back.

We have the ability to repair and restore all strands of our DNA and grow much smarter. Once these are fully healed and restored, there is nothing to stop freedom and all good things from coming our way. Nothing. Living with all 12 strands and more (they were manipulated by the Vampires in earlier times) we can achieve all good things and step forth into the light of a new day, a new dawn, a new earth. And so it is....And once again it is time for my nap. xoxoxs

[Northern Boy]

If you are in Canada or the USA and want to stop paying tax`s then just visit this site to learn . If you don`t like reading don`t go there but its full of info . Want to make a difference ? Effect change ? Start here and file a new way this year . Good to see you here James you to Torz:thumb:

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.detaxcanada.org%2F&ei=u65tTdT8FYGC8gaMrLWNDQ&usg=AFQjCNEEVNhZCGgv0oY_glA2MWSz8p0DCw


http://www.detaxcanada.org/filingT1.htm

[modwiz]

Thank you for that post NB. I have it bookmarked and will read it. A quick look told me I am going to like it.

This is what you get for having no thanks button.:bounce:

[James Horak]

Passiglight, when all those of good will toward all humanity have lost room for hope and search for a better place they will find one. The EMVs are placed between you and harm. JCH

[Carmody]

Passiglight, when all those of good will toward all humanity have lost room for hope and search for a better place they will find one. The EMVs are placed between you and harm. JCH

And the universe holds up it's arm, taps it's watch.. and stares at humanity expectantly. (blink, blink) :)

[Snowbird]

There is something that is driving and controlling the controllers here on earth. When you step back and take a good long hard look, you can see and feel the many thousands of years of control that has progressed to our current circumstances. These beings have the ability and vast understanding of astrology, astronomy, universal cycles and humans. They know us better than we know ourselves. Many believe that these beings actually engineered us.

How do you take a stand against an ancient off-planet culture that is incredibly powerful and manipulative and whose main goal for humanity is to keep them mushrooms and ignorant and shopping 'til they drop?

The masses, so to speak, are caught up in what appears to be an extensively enormous coup of this global world as worldwide systems work overtime to keep them in line. This has all been engineered for a reason. This reason is definitely not for the betterment of society.

9/11 was a wakeup call for many, but not enough. Consider the many dedicated and brave people who travel the globe to teach others about what really happened on that day. Most people don't want to believe the truth until it affects them personally and directly. When they are hurting, they begin to look for the guilty and this is when the awakening process takes place.

I refuse to call the earthly controllers "the elite" because we should really and genuinely be referring to them as "Nazis".

We could fight them, but this would require the massing together of millions and THAT will never be allowed. They have the big tech-toys that are capable of taking out masses.

In my opinion, the only way to rid ourselves of these massive intruders/controllers, is to simply and consistently raise our consciousness to a point where we transcend this prison planet. Yes, there are not many people who will actually take the time and the effort to grow consciously. They are truly too accustom to being told and directed as to what and how to live and believe. I'm really not angry at these, because I used to be one of these. I understand the why of what they do. I used to sit in church and be a loyal devotee. I used to be interested in politics and believed that our elected officials cared about the millions of people in their districts. And, unfortunately, there do exist scattered few politicians who are wonderful people who genuinely care about the people in their districts. These are the ones who are fired on or worse.

To put together a society of any size, requires the total and complete abandonment of money, barter and trade. This society has to be formed from people of like-mind who respect boundaries and natural laws. We cannot accomplish this type of society in the world in which we currently live. This world has been purposely allowed to and driven to decay for the purposes of those who have stolen the world's wealth and to keep as many as is possible from escaping their forced circumstances. When the people are homeless and hungry they are far easier to control.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...there has to be some type of or some degree of separation. I am genuinely of the opinion that the general population is not ready or interested in hearing truth and/or doing what is necessary to prevent disaster from recurring. There will be a few million more people globally who will awaken and will begin to understand the enormity of what is really happening around them. But that is all. It has been said that there are many new souls who have incarnated who haven't a clue...and won't.

[Carmody]

How much time do we have left james to work all this mess out ?

It's all vibration ....and all dimensions to some degree.... that through the vibrations become the platonic solids that describe atomic structures.

And, Passiglight, it is interesting to note that your avatar is the atomic figure descriptor for that of LITHIUM.

Lithium is found in the big bang signature, one of the first three, it is considered.

That would be early in the dimensional game, methinks.

Blink blink. :p ?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/customavatars/thumbs/avatar2070_1.gif

The resemblance is startling. It's uses and connections are revealing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

[modwiz]

There is something that is driving and controlling the controllers here on earth. When you step back and take a good long hard look, you can see and feel the many thousands of years of control that has progressed to our current circumstances. These beings have the ability and vast understanding of astrology, astronomy, universal cycles and humans. They know us better than we know ourselves. Many believe that these beings actually engineered us.

How do you take a stand against an ancient off-planet culture that is incredibly powerful and manipulative and whose main goal for humanity is to keep them mushrooms and ignorant and shopping 'til they drop?



My earlier post stopped short at proposing solutions to this problem largely because I thought the layout in the post lent itself to obvious answers and I did not want to seem like the man with all the answers because I am not. :humble:

The ones you speak of, the real power, are 4th dimensional and we defeat them in the same fashion they want to take us down. Starvation.
That is why I gave so many examples of their sources of nourishment.

That is the short and lazy answer.:tsk:

[jorr lundstrom]

Dear Modwiz. Do you mean We should deny them the right to make a stew on our bodies?

Love and carrots

[Tuza]

I think maybe he means we starve them of fear that they thrive on? Good to see ya Jorr, xo

[Northern Boy]

Jorr welcome back you missed the fireworks . Catch up on your reading if you were not following along during your vacation

[modwiz]

Dear Modwiz. Do you mean We should deny them the right to make a stew on our bodies?

Love and carrots

I mean that we should not stew in our own juices. Our negative emotional emanations feed them. Our wars and prisons feed them, as do our slaughterhouses.
Jerry Springer fed them. Crime shows feed them. Brutal movies like Reservoir Dogs.

Am I painting a picture here? :noidea:

I, on the other hand, thrive on love and carrots. :high5:

[Tuza]

Okay Modwiz I think we get the piccie, pokin out tongue but only at the fourth dimensionals in a good way, he,he.

[jorr lundstrom]

Ok, get it. No we wont perform anything of that.

:dance:

[Tuza]

James Horak is here, is that right, wow, I will have to go back and read all his posts.........hi James, big welcome to ya.

[Maria Stade]

Dear Modwiz. Do you mean We should deny them the right to make a stew on our bodies?

Love and carrots

I mean that we should not stew in our own juices. Our negative emotional emanations feed them. Our wars and prisons feed them, as do our slaughterhouses.
Jerry Springer fed them. Crime shows feed them. Brutal movies like Reservoir Dogs.

Am I painting a picture here? :noidea:

Maby we beem them with LOVE :luv:

[Northern Boy]

Greed was our demise


OUR? or mankinds I don`t remember being greedy. Don`t accept blame for something that isn`t your fault

[jorr lundstrom]

Jorr welcome back you missed the fireworks . Catch up on your reading if you were not following along during your vacation

Hello there again Northern Boy.

Ive been sitting looking into this box during my time out. I got no TV. LOL

I saw some of your performances too, and they gave me many good moments.

We can create a disturbance that will cause a short break in the programmings,

but the same s##t starts all over again. LOL

Did you read my story on talking to cows in another thread. I´ll fetch it


I remember some years ago I rented a house from a farmer who had fifty cows that he milked twice a day.

I helped him a lot. He was speaking to the cows all the time. I never heard them answer him. I tried it a

couple of times. But they just stopped to chew the cud and stared at me. I sometimes get the same feeling here.

I say something or ask something and get the feeling that there is something in the other end that stop to chew

the cud and just staring empty out into space and after a short while start to chew the cud again. Strange feeling

but of course very interesting. LOL

Love and carrots

[modwiz]

Dear Modwiz. Do you mean We should deny them the right to make a stew on our bodies?

Love and carrots

I mean that we should not stew in our own juices. Our negative emotional emanations feed them. Our wars and prisons feed them, as do our slaughterhouses.
Jerry Springer fed them. Crime shows feed them. Brutal movies like Reservoir Dogs.

Am I painting a picture here? :noidea:

Maybe we beam them with LOVE :luv:

We beam each other with love. We ignore them and they go bye bye like Queen Mab in Merlin.

(Modwiz beams love at Maria Stade and sends carrots)

[ponda]

aikisaw said:

I agree that many will get the chance. I'm referring to the ones who do not want it. The people who have invested their whole life in the construct. Who once the old one is destroyed will want to build another stronger one.

Personally i don't think it's going to turn out to be a world with one group of people wanting to do things the old way and another group wanting to do things in a new fairer and more Earth friendly way.That's sort of what we have now as many awaken.

If some people don't wake up and prefer to stay with the old ways then that is their choice.

I suspect that some will ascend to a better place and others might go to a different place or places.Many will most likely have a different path choice for different reasons.Every choice is a valid one IMHO.



aikisaw said:

I do not know if Lindsey is right. He has been correct in the past.

For what it is worth I hope you are right and Lindsey is wrong.

Some of what he says makes sense and some of the events may indeed play out as he suggests but i don't give energy to the fear aspect and the worse case scenario's etc.




cheers


Mystique said:

I would really like to see that new thread on split consciousness. Figuring out how to stitch the two together has been my focus for all my adult life.

Perhaps the separation of this consciousness is just the beginning of two different journeys back to the same place.

cheers

[Maria Stade]

Dear Modwiz. Do you mean We should deny them the right to make a stew on our bodies?

Love and carrots

I mean that we should not stew in our own juices. Our negative emotional emanations feed them. Our wars and prisons feed them, as do our slaughterhouses.
Jerry Springer fed them. Crime shows feed them. Brutal movies like Reservoir Dogs.

Am I painting a picture here? :noidea:

Maybe we beam them with LOVE :luv:

We beam each other with love. We ignore them and they go bye bye like Queen Mab in Merlin.

(Modwiz beams love at Maria Stade and sends carrots)

Oh thank you ! :hug:

(Maria Beem Modwiz back :luv: and lots of carrots !)

Yea I get the idea Like Mab they will fade away

[write4change]

The Three Thousand Person PTA Meeting

This country was good for a long time. Not perfect but working for the greater good. You have to go back to when it started changing and why.

When I started elementary school in San Antonio Texas, I was in a very rural area. Today that area is considered inner city. So you see how much change in just physicality of doubling our population since then.

As rural before TV, there was not much to do. PTA was a big deal and event of the community. Each one has a different age group perform for the adults--it was entertainment. It was also pot luck. It was connecting. It was showing up to show you had an interest in the community. Mayors and officials showed up.

Enter the House of UnAmerican Activities one of the first things of a big deal I remember on TV.

Dalton Trumble gets taken down. He goes to jail for not naming names and contempt of Congress. I still think this illegal. These people took the 5th and it should have been the end of discussion. But there was no organization willing to run this as a test case.

One of Dalton Trumbles movies was shown to the Committee. It starred Ginger Rodgers. It was called Tender Comrades and made in 1948 and you have to know movies than were not just shown for three weeks but years--double features were usually a new one and a favorite old one. People spent a whole evening or an afternoon. Small theaters in small towns, they played shorts and newsreels in between. People would go out to dinner and come back--no big deal.

What the story was about five single women--one a mother during war time struggling with their food stamps, housing problems, gas rationing etc. They keep running into each other at a lunch diner. They start telling each other their woes about all their problems with their men at war. They specifically talk about how much money they make and what it costs to live. So Ginger goes home and she sets down and adds up all the sums of their salaries and it is quite a bit. Then she gets the classifieds and finds this beautiful mansion with six bedrooms available for rent in a great neighborhood next to transportation with buses and subways etc. To much for any one of them but only one third of their combined incomes.

She visits the widowed owner and comes up with a plan. All the women are thrilled and buy into it. They pool their salaries and their rations, coupons, etc. They even have enough money to afford a full time live in house keeper to care for the house, make the dinner, and care for the baby. Now they get to come home from work be fed and cared for. They have time to sing, to paint, play piano, to write. They are happy as lambs in a daisy patch.

The woman they hire as a housekeeper is an old woman from Germany who is now a refugee and has no place to live. Not from this country, she has no SS. Through out their growing experiences, she is the one that tells them gradually how Germany came to be controlled under Hitler. And she basically says jealousy of neighbor to neighbor.

Sure enough the neighbors start questioning what is going on in this house with all the women. etc. The end of the story is that essentially we all have to grow up and when the men come home it will be back to rugged individualism and separate lives but these women will have this one golden moment of memory of being Tender Comrades together.

That ladies and gentlemen is a communist story. They could not go after Ginger Rodgers because she was at the height of her popularity. So she was the poor dope that had no idea the ideology she was espousing. This movie was used to demonstrate how un American cooperative living was in any form. So much better to be singularly miserable.

Why I tell you this is that this Committee went on for years before someone stood up to them. Almost all liberals contrary to popular belief in major academia were purged at that time. Most never recovered their careers. All of this is documented by Howard Zinn. The point is if you don't stand up, if you don't take a stand, even for something that looks simple and almost inconsequential-----you create or allow to be created a vacuum. The PTB know this and do it all the time. Each time they get one more step ahead. One more person eliminated that has the power to paint a different picture. One more small fear created to reveal who you are. That is how we got here.

Think about this when controversial subjects arise here and you click or fail to click. Clicking is part of the process of cohesion. I look at this. I know who does a lot of reading. I know who does a lot of talking. I know who does both and who does one or the other. you should to and it is part of paying attention. All you have to do is look at the box. Standing up and showing up matters. Look where and how you do it.

When TV came in most Americans laid down on the couch and so we are here.

[modwiz]

Thank you for sharing the goods with us grand lady. We are all enriched by sharing, just like the ladies in Tender Comrades.
It is sad when human empowerment is called communism when it is just the natural order of things when we have our hearts and spirits in the right place and are free of corrupting influences.

[Intraphase]

James, I haven't seen the film Dogville but I read and imagined the synopsis slowly-pictorially. How would you apply the narrative with its main protagonist, set of antagonists, various complications and final resolution; to a range of other current narratives, in ever wider arcs from Avalon to the Alternative Media to the Internet as an interactive information cloud; possibly even continuing outward to western culture and then planetary, galactic, or universal culture. Is there a particular social milieu or cultural ennui paralleled in the film that captured your imagination in the themes present in Dogville that you see paralleled in some other social structure or cultural narrative? I placed the movie in my cue.

[Sailing Beyond Knowledge]

Another perspective on all of this is that there is only an elite if there is a pyramid power structure, once we move into holographic structure there is only equalibrium. We are moving into holographic already. Chaos then Peace.

[ulli]

Greed was our demise


OUR? or mankinds I don`t remember being greedy. Don`t accept blame for something that isn`t your fault



I get what you are saying...there are times when the collective WE just brings out my knee jerk reaction and I want to do a snide remark like " speak for yourself" especially when it comes to areas where I have done my homework and with some effort got the inner Michael Douglas (as in Wall Street) under control while watching a large sector of my generation especially around here where i am currently living in Barbados stand in line at the Ralph Lauren cash counter to pay thousands of dollars for a few shirts and a flimsy dress for the mistress.
But, or should I say, AND, so as not to appear too dualistic, on the other hand, having read Krishnamurti,
WE ARE THAT WHICH WE PERCEIVE.
It takes a bit of a mental leap to practise this concept. However, the rewards are worth every bit of effort.
Not only mind-expanding, but mind-BLOWING. ( and I know I said BUT again, BUTT.......)

[Nortreb]

I look forward to the continued discussion here and the new thread discussion on split consciousness!

I will go into “Observer-mode” for the discussion of the movie, Dogville. I have not seen the movie. So, I will learn from everyone's discussion in context to the title of this Thread.

Peace

[James Horak]

Intraphase, Dogville is a tale of man's brutalization of man. As well, it serves to parallel the model of just how this process serves manipulation all the way from the top of the pyramid on down.
All the way up and down this pyramid are steps made of myth, false analogy, logical fallacy. At the very bottom are false materialistic values. The plight of the young lady is the example of fine mind and values ultimately subverted by outrage. It is a warning and an absolute outcry to the need for direction or moral core to everything we as humans do. The young lady has nothing between her and both extremes of the pyramid. In her final polarization is the focus of where "Charles" wants to take all those not better advised, with the wisdom needed not to fall into such traps. This historically has been the vicious cycle caused by the less discerning aspects of split consciousness and what takes the liberator to become the monster. JCH

[skyflower]

This is an awesome start. Thank you James.

"How can we reclaim our unified consciousness? " was the question I wanted to so badly ask you.

Eagerly waiting for that discussion thread~

Love and Peace~ :happy:

[Revere]

Most do not know that I came to Project Avalon about a month ago with my main purpose to start a Focused Mass Intention. I did not come for the Charles material and I definitely had no idea of what his purposes would grow into. I came for this specific reason which has been a burden on my spirit to get up and going. I am discussing this in the open here praying that it is the correct place and time to help gain the momentum we need. I have previously sent this request out to other Avalonians on a mostly individual basis and we have begun a group, the “Global Intention Group” or GIG for short.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/group.php?discussionid=190&do=discuss

For months it has been pressed on my mind and spirit to start, foster and nurture a movement to organize as much of humanity as possible in a Group Intention. I know that they’re others attempting similar things but that did not lift my burden to do so. I chose to start here at Avalon and hopefully to grow far beyond! Yes, this is the beginning of my efforts and I hope yours because I need help to approach other receptive individuals and communities with this or similar Intentions.

Please forgive me for being so direct in my approach to all of you now. But, I am reaching out to ask all of you to participate in what I and many believe is the most powerful proactive action we can all take to save humanity.I also believe that this deals with many of the topics we are discussing on this thread. It is to raise our consciousness through Intension. Humanities Intention through (meditation, prayer, visualization, etc.) can enable a new and better world by focusing our Love actively towards each other and reducing the negativity feeding this current reality. I believe that organization in this is crucial. Will more of you join this by including our Intention daily in your life? Please help to strengthen our organized Mass Intention’s numbers and join the group so we all know?

The goal is to improve all of humanities plight, heal our wounded planet, and dismantle the system of service to self greed that we find ourselves trapped under. Raise our collective consciousness with your Intent and stop feeding the entities or vampires of negative human emotion! Let’s be extremely proactive to stop this greedy service to self paradigm we live in. Let's stop the powers that be from dividing us and filling many with personal fear, doubt and complacency. Complacent negative "automatic" intentions have humanity manifesting want and lack by their collective negative impact daily on thought patterns and consciousness. Most of humanity is feeding our negative reality. We each create our individual reality and together our collective reality through our consciousness. Let's start an organized change with us and all others who will join us now! I thank those here who have already joined!

On a side note, the recent Charles materials have shown us all one thing very clearly, that we are very eager to get busy and make change happen. IMHO I don’t think we need 18 special people to do this we need thousands maybe, millions Intending a service to each other reality out of Love. Please, let’s start here and now. Will you join with us and spread the word to all of Avalon and beyond?

Goals:
1. The Daily practiced Intention: Pray, Visualize, Meditate, etc. May all of Humanity Fulfill our Potential in a realm of Abundance, Health, Peace, and Individual Freedom in a state of Harmony with Mother Earth and all of creation based on our responsible service to each other from Love.

2. Please set a time in your time zone and commit to 10-15 minutes daily of Intention whether you choose to Meditate, Pray, or Visualize…GREAT! Whatever works for you! I am not here to push any one dogma or belief in this process. Let’s only use what unites us and that is our desire for change.

3. Remember to Intend positively and in love from your heart and not from any other intellectual motive or construct. Love turbo charge’s our thoughts power, many spiritual traditions and wise individuals have always known this and it has even been scientifically confirmed in our times!

4. I believe it important that once we have each intended daily that we live in a spirit of BELIEF that it will come to pass. While we wait for the evidence be full of joy and in anticipation of seeing it’s fruition in everyone’s life on this planet, in this dimension, in this time line, in this Matrix, etc. LOL!


My friends, if anyone desires more knowledge to Intend, Pray, Visualize or Meditate please reach out. I (and others here) know many fine books that will help and discuss this from no particular dogma. If anyone is interested in mainstream scientific confirmation on Intention and the power of our consciousness check out Lynne McTaggart’s book The Intention Experiment. Thanks You!
Your comments are welcomed I need help and I am open to advice!
Peace and Love People,
-R-

[Whitehaze]

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[Yoda]

Can we discuss this intelligently and expand further into better appreciations of all views once everyone accepts we ARE in crisis? Please, if possible participants cannot see that far, leave this thread alone. I invite all others to join in and to make this thread rich in your personal offerings. JCH[/QUOTE]

We arrive as sovereign beings. We take on the veil, and learn the game. Now it's time to graduate out of duality and separation, and become integrated into this vehicle that we so carefully designed. We came here to enjoy this marvelous creation, develop relationships with our co-creators, and be ready for whatever we have yet to remember creating.
Pierre

[modwiz]

Propaganda Techniques

Assertion
Bandwagon
Card stacking
Glittering Generalities
Lesser of Two Evils
Name Calling
Pinpointing the Enemy
Plain Folks
Simplification
Testimonials
Transfer
Either/or fallacy
Faulty Cause and Effect

I hope people do not just read your list, maybe agree, and move on. Each of your categories is a meditation unto itself. Plain folks and Testimonials are particularly subversive and require a more thorough look. The power of this information cannot be emphasized enough.

[Yoda]

(this is all ofcourse not taking into account the ET phenomena).

Cheers

Eric[/QUOTE]

We have to be carefull not to trade one overlord, for another one.
Pierre

[Shairia]

"Having No Way as Way" "Having No Limitation as Limitation" is the only way as INDIVIDUALS we can made any difference on the conditioning and programming.

[Yoda]

Many might feel the imposition of "leadership" an essential element to society but the sublimation of authority is not. This sublimation has even combined with more than one estate, that of religion or even ordination as the leader himself being divine, even as late as the twentieth century in the example of the Emperor of Japan. Today in the USA, we have the development of a
Soviet style "cult of personality" wherein the President can set himself beyond any social contract and selectively enforce laws, encroach upon state governments, enact laws with Presidential
executive order, and brazenly betray his oath of office. We are not informed of the magnitude of this usurpation by the media simply because the non-enforcement of anti-trust laws through one administration after another has allowed a media cartel to establish itself and its agenda is itself, big business. EVERY safe-guard intended by the nation's founders has been circumvented while the next assault on personal freedoms looms upon us in the practice of rampant fear mongering. Now we have no expectation of right to privacy, to be searched and seized only under warrant and speedy trial. None at all. This is a stage set for feudal brutishness far more severe than anything we can glean from written history. JCH

Most everyone is willing to prostitute their values for an opportunity to get closer to the trough. The prime minister of Canada has just sold out all the privacy rights of the citizens. Now the Homeland security, and the military can legaly take over, on the pretext of national security (US).
Pierre

[Yoda]

Is educating ourselves enough right now, or do we need to take certain actions? What actions can we take as individuals - given that there isn't enough of us collectively to turn the current course of action? What can we practically do to gain some traction, some momentum?[/QUOTE]

One totally integrated Being, has access to enough energy to create another universe. Think of all the co-creators, that have volunteered to be "HERE NOW".
Pierre

[Yoda]

Should we initiate the collapse in a way that benefits us, or wait until they do it in a way that benefits them? Or is Us and Them the wrong way to look at it?[/QUOTE]

Fight for your limitations, and they are yours. We need to focus on getting ourselves there, then we will discover that, mysteriously, that whole problem no longer exists in our reality.
Pierre

[Shairia]

An army of 7 billion each shining their light in many different directions and effecting their own individual changes is more effective and less able to be corrupted than one unified one directional cause.

[Yoda]

In my opinion, we are so far from where we came from ~ that it is quite daunting to consider how to make our way back. For one thing even if the Vampire Elites went away and were not here, there remains a problem that people have forgotten who they are and why we even agreed to come to Earth and experience all that we have while living and incarnating here.

Right here at this point, there are some who will stop to argue even within their own minds, whether reincarnation is true or not and they will not be able to progress farther than that single thought. Can you see part of the problem? We have patterns of denial that stop us every foot of the way and these must be eliminated through our own understanding and remembrance.

Even in this thread, there is a lack of understanding about the consequences if we didn't have rulers and overlords such as riots in the streets, chaos, injury. This is risky landscape. Do you not realize that there is only a mere 1% who are doing all the damage? The other 99% and this may surprise you ~ they are decent law abiding folks who can govern themselves. Amazing! Do you believe me? We are so quick to condemn and disrespect ourselves, we do it matter of factly to others, we spend more time that anything else debating junk issues that have no value in our lives. We weave webs that are not self-sustaining or worthy of our attention when others are available if we can break through our own barriers and limitations.

We have complete blinders on when it comes to caring about others; for instance, those who are paying tax dollars to bomb with drones, kill without discrimination ~ woman, children, young, elderly and animals. We can't seem to get past our own need to provide for our families and through fear we pay taxes and comply with laws that are so ridiculous, it's pathetic. What is lacking is courage, personal, and collective courage to say, "No. Stop. This far and no farther."

If you pay taxes and do not join with millions of others who chaff at this great hardship and absolutely refuse, you are honorary members of the vampire elite. You are buying new drones to kill those in Pakistan, Iraq, Afganistan while threatening to do the same in Iran and all over the world. By not protesting this and so many other issues that come up each day; by allowing your health coverage, your pensions, your savings, your investments, your homes to be foreclosed illegally. Standing by and watching, ever fearful of when it will affect you and not really lift hands or voices loud enough to change even a single small thing. As a collective spirit and body ~ Well, it must be okay with you. You must continue to pay taxes and allow your bogus and illegally elected officials ~ to take bribes and sell you down the river; you must watch despicable judments come down from the Supreme Court of the Land.

You must obey each and every one of the hundreds and hundreds of laws ~ or be scorned, ridiculed, and possibly imprisoned. You are fearful of looking too closely because you have an inherent knowing that there is rot not only in Denmark but right here in the U.S. of A. Go ahead and sing along with Lee Greenwood and bury your ignorance in the cemetery of all that has been killed and destroyed in your name including the American Dream you once had. If you can find your voice and sing a tribute to American and not notice the blood dripping off the flag, by all means, do it.

When you can stand by and watch others be imprisoned and enslaved and count yourself lucky not to be among them and you say nothing about it; well, you are an honorary member of the Vampire Elite. If you can take time to chit chat about education when no such thing has existed on this continent for nearly a century and not see where this has lead you. If you can watch and particpate in a health care industry that promotes illness, and regulatory agencies set up to protect, as they add toxics on every front ~ in your food, your medicine, offering toxic vaccines, and do too many things to count that go against decency and free will.

Well, even some are afraid to speak on Avalon ~ never mind they are with like-minded spirits or not. Afraid because others might get in here, methods are at hand for governments to know everything we do, think, say, or write and please be quiet and do not notice me as I really don't want any more trouble than I already have ~ what with the economic disaster, the loss of my job, my house under foreclosure, my utilities about to be turned off, the hardship putting food on the table but you know~ what can I do about any of it? If I step into the light, they will just throw me in prison and I will be disgraced by my own family. Okay, what is wrong with this picture and what will it take to light a fire that has power to illuminate your body, mind, spirit and soul? If the time isn't now ~ when will it be?

Let's go back to the beginning if you will: What if no Vampire Elite remained on Earth? How many would feel free to come out of their homes, if they are lucky enough to have one, how many will be able to stand in their own light, their power, their talents and move out of this mess and start creating something new and wonderful where all can share in the abundance of Earth? I'd like you to be thinking about that.

I often wonder what it will take to light a fire under our behinds so that we will become authentic people again. I quit working and paying taxes in 1992 on principle, and as a meal principles are slim pickens. I quit my job so that I didn't have any wages to tax. I did not dodge the IRS and I did not contribute either. Was this a good way to live? Harsh.

We, as individuals and collectively are not understood nor accepted if we do not comply with the status quo. It's as simple as that and I know this from personal experience. What is the answer here?

I don't know but I do know this much. As long as the Vampires can get away with these tremendous injustices, as long as their bad behavior is rewarded and they can walk free without consciousness and as long as we allow them to do this without a mandate of accountability, and I mean real accountability not some fake commitee of liars.

Well, we must stay where we are and wait for someone to come forward and at least spark our remembrance of who we are and where we were going so many eons ago. No Savior, No Messiah, No King. Yet most are paralyzed with fear waiting for others to guide them. Don't laugh now but some are waiting for the Anti-Christ. We left those needs with the end of the Age of Pisces ~ it is time to enter the Age of Aquarius where many step forward in unity and stand in their own power and light and guide us through a fast process of remembrance, just so we can reclaim our own powers back.

We have the ability to repair and restore all strands of our DNA and grow much smarter. Once these are fully healed and restored, there is nothing to stop freedom and all good things from coming our way. Nothing. Living with all 12 strands and more (they were manipulated by the Vampires in earlier times) we can achieve all good things and step forth into the light of a new day, a new dawn, a new earth. And so it is....And once again it is time for my nap. xoxoxs

That was the most positive heart-felt rant, I have ever heard.
Pierre

[ulli]

Propaganda Techniques

Assertion
Bandwagon
Card stacking
Glittering Generalities
Lesser of Two Evils
Name Calling
Pinpointing the Enemy
Plain Folks
Simplification
Testimonials
Transfer
Either/or fallacy
Faulty Cause and Effect

I hope people do not just read your list, maybe agree, and move on. Each of your categories is a meditation unto itself. Plain folks and Testimonials are particularly subversive and require a more thorough look. The power of this information cannot be emphasized enough.

I would include exaggeration in that list.

[James Horak]

You have asked me what to do. That is easy to say. For me the pain of death is nothing for I have the knowing of where I go. Though I offer you my knowing, it still cannot be yours and that is absolute. I can only say we will all end up together, all of us. While we are here, it matters greatly that we do what we can to reduce the suffering of others and give children the longest stay possible in which to experience as fully as possible the knowledge this experience can offer. If we entertain hope of saving the planet, it lies in establishing a resistance to the apparent intentions this NWO has brazenly espoused. The support that resistance can offer those in the inside who have a clear picture of these intentions, to take advantages of themselves resisting can have determining impact. Don't ever be discouraged by the lies from the elite. Their captains and lieutenants can never have the strength of moral determination you can for your intentions are to defend people from murder, not execute them. You only wish a world that harbors a place for everyone and a comfortable means to survive. Anything less
despises the wisdom of the ages....no matter how the monsters attempt to pervert that doctrine of common decency today. JCH

[James Horak]

Yoda, I will assure everyone, on the stake of every bit of credibility I may have earned, there will be no ET "overlords". If you merely apply common sense to any of this current confusion,
surely you realize it makes no sense at all to wait until the elite weaponize space and threaten the ecology of a planet to the extent that they have, for ET to move against this planet for conquest. This is an illusion created to serve the prospects of implementing a global take-over by deluded inbred HUMAN elite (hardly superior by inbreeding.) JCH

[Tangri]

Yoda, I will assure everyone, on the stake of every bit of credibility I may have earned, there will be no ET "overlords". If you merely apply common sense to any of this current confusion,
surely you realize it makes no sense at all to wait until the elite weaponize space and threaten the ecology of a planet to the extent that they have, for ET to move against this planet for conquest. This is an illusion created to serve the prospects of implementing a global take-over by deluded inbred HUMAN elite (hardly superior by inbreeding.) JCH

We are talking hostage situation here. But maybe few hostages can remember their combat abilities.

[Revere]

Propaganda Techniques

Assertion
Bandwagon
Card stacking
Glittering Generalities
Lesser of Two Evils
Name Calling
Pinpointing the Enemy
Plain Folks
Simplification
Testimonials
Transfer
Either/or fallacy
Faulty Cause and Effect

I hope people do not just read your list, maybe agree, and move on. Each of your categories is a meditation unto itself. Plain folks and Testimonials are particularly subversive and require a more thorough look. The power of this information cannot be emphasized enough.


Please elaborate.

Thanks

-R-

[modwiz]

Propaganda Techniques

Assertion
Bandwagon
Card stacking
Glittering Generalities
Lesser of Two Evils
Name Calling
Pinpointing the Enemy
Plain Folks
Simplification
Testimonials
Transfer
Either/or fallacy
Faulty Cause and Effect

I hope people do not just read your list, maybe agree, and move on. Each of your categories is a meditation unto itself. Plain folks and Testimonials are particularly subversive and require a more thorough look. The power of this information cannot be emphasized enough.


Please elaborate.

Thanks

-R-

With all real and due respect Revere, I did say meditation. I thought two of them merited special attention for an even deeper look inside.

I cannot elaborate because that is not a meditation where you arrive at your own truth.

Whitehaze has told us these are tools of our manipulation. IMHO he has shared important information here.

This is like going to the bathroom. Nobody can do it for you.

Can you not see the power and insidious hooks that can be inserted by delivering a message using "plain folks"?

[Carmody]

How much time do we have left james to work all this mess out ?

It's all vibration ....and all dimensions to some degree.... that through the vibrations become the platonic solids that describe atomic structures.

And, Passiglight, it is interesting to note that your avatar is the atomic figure descriptor for that of LITHIUM.

Lithium is found in the big bang signature, one of the first three, it is considered.

That would be early in the dimensional game, methinks.

Blink blink. :p ?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/customavatars/thumbs/avatar2070_1.gif

The resemblance is startling. It's uses and connections are revealing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

Hexameric structure of the LiBu (lithium is in the middle)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Butyllithium-hexamer-from-xtal-3D-balls-A.png/220px-Butyllithium-hexamer-from-xtal-3D-balls-A.png

[WhiteStar]

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I found this recently and I have always loved the simplicity of Native Indian teachings, they are so pure and Spiritual.

I remember hearing a famous Chief describing the difference between white man's actions and the Native Elders beliefs. He made a statement which shook me to my core, it shattered my belief system. I was around 17 yrs old at the time, nearly 50yrs ago.

He said white man has "no respect for the land", he digs for gold, oil and minerals and he desecrates the land on which we live and are care takers of, for our children.

He continued and explained that to a Native Indian, it was like sticking a dagger into your own mothers belly and cutting her wide open.

I really had a very hard time trying to understand that profound message all those years ago and I cannot think of any other statement which shocked and affected me so deeply.

Today I am much wiser and I know exactly the message he was trying to convey.

Can these basic teachings of wisdom and living with the Great Spirit teach us anything new today?


Before our white brothers arrived to make us civilized men, we didn't have any kind of prison.
Because of this, we had no delinquents.
Without a prison, there can be no delinquents.

We had no locks nor keys and therefore among us there were no thieves.

When someone was so poor that he couldn't afford a horse, a tent or a blanket, he would, in that case, receive it all as a gift.

We were too uncivilized to give great importance to private property.

We didn't know any kind of money and consequently, the value of a human being was not determined by his wealth.

We had no written laws laid down, no lawyers, no politicians, therefore we were not able to cheat and swindle one another.

We were really in bad shape before the white men arrived and I don't know how to explain, how we were able to manage without these fundamental things that are so necessary for a civilized society.

John (Fire) Lame Deer
Sioux Lakota - 1903-1976

[James Horak]

Cortez, not content with the ransom he had demanded (and was paid) for the Aztec king, Monctezuma, proceeded to exact more punishment upon the ruler's family by having their hands cut off. In a moment of mild relent, he commented to the king, "you see, my lord, we Spanish suffer from a disease of the heart for which gold is the only cure." ...Bernal Diaz, "The Conquest of New Spain" Truer words were never spoken. JCH

[str8thinker]

I don't see why it is necessary to coin a new term "vampire elite". IMO it conveys the wrong message. Unlike the Elite that are said to form a shadow government, vampire bats have no management abilities and act simply as parasites. True Elites are far smarter than this. They are ruthless sociopaths. If you have to compare them with an animal counterpart, why not refer to them as reptilians? That seems to describe their predatory nature better.

[torzbc]

because they are NOT reptiles and it gives the wrong impression, ( one which is a convenient common theme ) they are narcissistic mad MEN/WOMEN Reptiles are reptiles, these guys are just that... HUMAN BEINGS

[OnyxKnight]

Tell that to those who had direct contact with them.

You called me arrogant, yet yourself go around with a 'matter-of-fact' attitude that these ETs are non-existent.

[torzbc]

I never said ET did not not exist... Nor EBEs....

[str8thinker]

because they are NOT reptiles and it gives the wrong impression ... they are narcissistic mad MEN/WOMEN

Vampires aren't narcissistic either, so that further excludes vampires from the comparison. I did say "reptilians", not "reptiles", though this might be considered splitting hairs. Well then, with what other unattractive animal should we compare these PEOPLE? It might be interesting at this point to conjecture why neither David Icke nor Russell Pine (aka Jordan Maxwell) ever relayed anecdotes about British MPs shapeshifting into hyenas (though that might seem equally appropriate) or Credo Mutwa ever observed lions or rhinos emanating from pentacles or holes in the ground. Nope. Something scaly this way comes.

[Wub]

OK, lets be aware that there's ad hominem being played here. Ad hominem is when you attack the person rather than discuss the message. Its very common, particularly in politics and mainstream media reporting and has given rise to such tacky 'bread and circus', offerings to the 'plebs', as Big Brother (reality tv show) and similar.
An ad hominem is particularly effective in creating a reactive rather than a responsive outcome. Hmmmmmm.

[str8thinker]

The message at the beginning of this thread seems to be


I would maintain this opposition to necessary change is due to an overly entrenched “vampire” elite that has stifled the economic and political institutions it commands from finding remedial solutions.

Leave out "vampire" and it immediately makes better sense IMO. That's all. Nothing ad hominem here.

Since both Horak and Torz insist on calling them PEOPLE, no animal epithets seem necessary.

OK, in that case we seem to need something else to convey the difference between them and warm, loving humans like you and me.

I rather like Dale's choice (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15309) - DRACS.

[OnyxKnight]

I never said ET did not not exist... Nor EBEs....

'Reptilians'/'Reptoids' are just that - ETs.

[torzbc]

OK, lets be aware that there's ad hominem being played here. Ad hominem is when you attack the person rather than discuss the message. Its very common, particularly in politics and mainstream media reporting and has given rise to such tacky 'bread and circus', offerings to the 'plebs', as Big Brother (reality tv show) and similar.
An ad hominem is particularly effective in creating a reactive rather than a responsive outcome. Hmmmmmm.


That's what they get paid for.....

[OnyxKnight]

Still broke here ...

[chelmostef]

Seems silly a address such simplicitys as the title. I for one think Vampire is quite a good word to address these people(if you can call them that, I like less than human.

If some are not happy with that, leaches may be.

I like the term vampire... After all they are creatures of the night who suck and coerce much like these Elite

[chelmostef]

OK, lets be aware that there's ad hominem being played here. Ad hominem is when you attack the person rather than discuss the message. Its very common, particularly in politics and mainstream media reporting and has given rise to such tacky 'bread and circus', offerings to the 'plebs', as Big Brother (reality tv show) and similar.
An ad hominem is particularly effective in creating a reactive rather than a responsive outcome. Hmmmmmm.


You know what else, its very annoying! Intentionally or not.

Some are here to learn... You know its a bit like at school when the teacher is trying to tell you something interesting and he keeps stopping just deal with stupid comments about "why can't I whistle, its a free world" And the rest don't get to find out what the teacher had to say..

Im off to page 2 and perhaps I can catch up

[aikisaw]

Intraphase, Dogville is a tale of man's brutalization of man. As well, it serves to parallel the model of just how this process serves manipulation all the way from the top of the pyramid on down.
All the way up and down this pyramid are steps made of myth, false analogy, logical fallacy. At the very bottom are false materialistic values. The plight of the young lady is the example of fine mind and values ultimately subverted by outrage. It is a warning and an absolute outcry to the need for direction or moral core to everything we as humans do. The young lady has nothing between her and both extremes of the pyramid. In her final polarization is the focus of where "Charles" wants to take all those not better advised, with the wisdom needed not to fall into such traps. This historically has been the vicious cycle caused by the less discerning aspects of split consciousness and what takes the liberator to become the monster. JCH

It would seem to me that we need to address this split consciousness. It seems to be a trap. You are in a loop of your own thoughts. Depending how many times your consciousness is split you will be pulled in different directions fracturing your sustained intent. Given the above description of Dogville, it shows a duality good/bad. The duality strips you of the ability to focus energies to what you want to happen.


James Horak Said

Humanity here is able to have unified consciousness until it is murdered by the practice of teaching the child to dissemble just to be acceptable and when the inconsistencies shown between expectation and practice cause their own process of disassociation to be bestowed.

Darla Ken Jensen Pierce explained in a great post in this thread (linked below) what is is like to live with a unified mind in the physical realm. Where her actions and how she chose to live her life are in alignment to what she believes.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15380-The-Vampire-Elite-and-the-New-World-Order&p=161553&viewfull=1#post161553


How do we heal/ fix the split consciousness?

I am not well versed in the other dimensional areas that are spoken of here.

My question is this, are we trying to defeat the vampires in the physical realm? Here and now.

Or is a are we trying to overcome them with higher consciousness from other dimensions? If so how will I know it is working.

I'm sure I'm missing something here so please feel free to fill in the gaps.

[mrmalco]

IMO
The main 'locking device' that disallows naturally adaptive evolution is the subjective structure that is precisely formed by reference to the past. We all have it. Millions of humans, all of whom to a greater or lesser degree, are registering all experience according to the past (and usually the painful past - which lays down the strongest conditioning) pretty well guarantees inertial stolidity. It takes a new major inspiration to get a new thing going. One can read history across an honest assessment of ones own subjective process (multiplied by a zillion). Then of course there's all the spoilers deliberately making matters worse ...

[str8thinker]

Leaving terminology aside, James Horak's theme can be summarized as follows:

In determining why civilizations fall, more important than failed economy or agriculture is the question of what prevented those societies from foreseeing and implementing the necessary changes, instead continuing to repeat their counter-productive patterns.

Basically you assert that an entrenched elite is to blame for this by stifling the development and implementation of remedial solutions by the economic and political institutions it commands. And you would like us to discuss this intelligently, or else leave this thread alone if we cannot see that far? What do you take us for?

Well, to begin with, this scenario seems a bit too simplistic. Inability to predict the vicissitudes of economic or agricultural conditions can easily overrule any machinations by an elite group, as the demise of early Mesopotamian cultures reveals. Second, invasion by external, stronger neighbours is excluded by your definition.

For "opposition to change" to be realistic, we require a stable, unthreatened society to be governed by an elite bent on stifling innovation and positive feedback. How realistic is this, and to what end? This state of affairs can only be temporary as it is an unstable equilibrium. What you omitted in your preamble was the really important issue - how aware is that society that their elected or hereditary rulers are opposed to change?

Happily, we can resolve this into a simple matter of conflicting agendas - that of the population and that of its rulers, be they human or alien. If alien, that just makes it a bit more difficult for the rest of the humans. The population expects an ordered pyramid of command where the democratically elected governors perform the task for which they were elected.

Your initial conditions appear to assume that all civilizations are governed by an "entrenched elite", which is far from the case, viz. some Pacific island nations that are well-governed, happy and stable. The very word "elite" is divisive, meaning "apart from the rest".

Stifling change seems a slow and fairly useless tool if the aim of using it is to cause a civilization to fall. It is not really a cause but an effect of underlying forces at work. Thus I cannot agree with your premise that enforcement of the status quo by an entrenched elite is a cause, let alone the main cause, of the decline of a civilization. Rome was not built in a day, nor was it ordered to decay.

[ulli]

The evidence is out there that innovations are being stifled, now more than ever.
Health and energy being the most important fields.
And its easy to see why, one just has to look at the potential these innovations
would mean for rapid change in society.
And it is rapid change that some of the elite fears most as then they would be challenged to adapt to this change
faster than they are perhaps able to.
The arrival of the Internet has already damaged their power base
as many of these geopolitical decision makers would due to their advanced age
not have had the whizziness of the young generation.

But perhaps we need to define who really occupies the top of the pyramid.
Friendly aliens, hostile aliens, evil spirit entities, good spirits, or just an old boys club,
be they members of the industrial, military, banking or public sectors.

[ulli]

Someone just expressed confusion about what has been happening here. They wrote to my Inbox. So I did one of my condensed
summaries, in case anyone else would like to read it.
"

as Bill had mentioned already, this forum is like a miniature world, and as such it is like life itself.
There was a prediction (via Charles) of a nuclear war.
By provocation. First they (Charles former bosses) provoke Iran into a reaction, then China.
There will be worldwide chaos afterwards.
They want to decimate areas of overpopulation so that there is a reduced number of people left,
a number they consider more manageable.

After that comes the BIG disaster (poleshift, asteroid, whatever their seers have prophesied),
and during that time they will be in their bunkers or space stations or
whatever survival environment they have been preparing.
There is evidence of those underground places having been prepared also.

Maybe what has happened is that we here just experienced this horrible scenario in miniature, and are suffering the effects of the fall-out. Have to heal the victims now."

[jjl]

it's just a guess but most of have already been victims. I offer my friendship to any who will take my extended hand...jj

[chelmostef]

There was a prediction (via Charles) of a nuclear war.

It was my understanding that Charles stated in the video that there would be no nuclear war...As a Pandemic or false flag was far more productive...

(Apologies for off topic ness)

[ulli]

There was a prediction (via Charles) of a nuclear war.

It was my understanding that Charles stated in the video that there would be no nuclear war...As a Pandemic or false flag was far more productive...

(Apologies for off topic ness)'

The false flag refers to an evil alien invasion.

The sequence of the events planned are
1) limited nuclear exchange in the middle east
2) out of fear people demand governmental controls of travel
3) introducing a population-reducing virus into China
4) world catastrophe
5) New World Order controlled by the Anglo Saxon Mission founders

all planned according to the manifesto on the Georgia Guidestones
check out photo here http://www.greatdreams.com/food/food-depopulation.html

[ulli]

IMO
The main 'locking device' that disallows naturally adaptive evolution is the subjective structure that is precisely formed by reference to the past. We all have it. Millions of humans, all of whom to a greater or lesser degree, are registering all experience according to the past (and usually the painful past - which lays down the strongest conditioning) pretty well guarantees inertial stolidity. It takes a new major inspiration to get a new thing going. One can read history across an honest assessment of ones own subjective process (multiplied by a zillion). Then of course there's all the spoilers deliberately making matters worse ...

Thank you! That is so true. To understand anything new and receive it we need to empty the cup of the old.
IOW, bring an open mind to the table/forum.

Maybe that is the only purpose of recording history. So we can learn from old mistakes.
The only reality is in the NOW.

It is here where we can determine whether there will be a catastrophe or not.
The human mind has the powers to change climate, redirect incoming asteroids and prevent a pole shift,
or on the other hand, to allow it but slow it down enough to minimize damage to the population.

[ulli]

OK, lets be aware that there's ad hominem being played here. Ad hominem is when you attack the person rather than discuss the message. Its very common, particularly in politics and mainstream media reporting and has given rise to such tacky 'bread and circus', offerings to the 'plebs', as Big Brother (reality tv show) and similar.
An ad hominem is particularly effective in creating a reactive rather than a responsive outcome. Hmmmmmm.


That's what they get paid for.....

I believe that, too, having watched the Internet for over 15 years. The early whistle blowers posted their stories, anonymously, without counter attacks, and caused fear and panic in the ranks of the elite, just like wikileaks is now doing on a much larger scale.
No one likes their private material to get out until they consider the time is right.
And since the Internet was here to stay the only way they could control the flow of leaks was by planting people, salaried, on forums where whistle blower material was being discussed.
This was how the elite responded to the leaks of retired Naval Commanders, or any other carrier of secrets that were not ripe for disclosure.
It's been going on for the longest time.

I'm not defending the controllers out there, nor do I endorse plans like the one Charles has leaked out.
What I am saying is that where there is control, there are mechanisms to maintain that control.

The way reality is set up, for every measure there is a counter measure, and knowing what the ultimate outcome will be is beyond both sides.
Spirit rules.

[chelmostef]

Yes, fascinating read so far, thank you james and the other writers.

[James Horak]

Quite astute, Mrmalco. Yes, that cultural reminisce leads to being the handle for mind control to exploit in the form of the "centering" mechanism. It breeds an interference to progression of thought in the form of ambivalence, systemic ambivalence. The issue deriving, however, is if the unique stress imposed upon the split consciousness might ultimately lead to a certain unique robustness eventually surviving to speciate something so intensely wondrous, both new and leading to higher possibility. This is an incredible theater opportunity for those watching. JCH

[ulli]

Quite astute, Mrmalco. Yes, that cultural reminisce leads to being the handle for mind control to exploit in the form of the "centering" mechanism. It breeds an interference to progression of thought in the form of ambivalence, systemic ambivalence. The issue deriving, however, is if the unique stress imposed upon the split consciousness might ultimately lead to a certain unique robustness eventually surviving to speciate something so intensely wondrous, both new and leading to higher possibility. This is an incredible theater opportunity for those watching. JCH

This is the part that gives one hope, no matter how many tricks societal controllers come up with,
in the end awakening comes anyway, and with more and more frequency, as I have noticed in the last ten years.
But when I went back to thank the person who I though had (consciously) guided me to my first big Aha! moment
he had no clue what i was talking about.
Still on his Vodka bottle, fretting over the loss of his wife who left him for another man and had taken several of
his cargo ships along with her.

No theatre for him. But I am forever grateful to him for asking me "where do two parrallels meet?"

[Mystique]

How do we heal/ fix the split consciousness?

I am not well versed in the other dimensional areas that are spoken of here.

My question is this, are we trying to defeat the vampires in the physical realm? Here and now.

Or is a are we trying to overcome them with higher consciousness from other dimensions? If so how will I know it is working.

I'm sure I'm missing something here so please feel free to fill in the gaps.

I am beginning to glean that, as I posted earlier, the split in consciousness comes from doubt. I suspect the "original doubt" came from doubting ourselves as being of the Source we came from. That we were made in the "image" of God, not as an expression or expansion of Eternal God Consciousness - with no beginning and no end.

Specifically, this gets expressed as the social pressure to "separate from mom" and see her as "other" instead of being m(e)other - with distinctions.

It gets reinforced, IMO, with an assault on our innocence as being "naive" - not living in the "real world" which we are told is a "man's world".

Interesting that as women we give birth to boys who come out of our vagina's and later think they own the places we birth them from and into. Rude I tell ya.

Anyway, we learn to protect our innocence with a false ego that believes it owns, and is in control of, the reality that makes it.

The healing/fixing comes as we return to our innocence, through respecting the Divine Feminine within ourselves, and learning to forgive and Revere our Mothers and the fabric of life (photonic/elemental Unified Field) she emerges from.

My question, James, which I would later like to elaborate on, "Is the Sun Divinely Feminine?" and is the whole "Son of God" (i.e Sun of God) thing a hijacking/reversal of that?

Doesn't our consciousness move through the fire of the Sun, to shine our rays of light into more densified light - as holographic, elemental Earth/Sun/Beings? Does that question make sense to you?

[torzbc]

Quite astute, Mrmalco. Yes, that cultural reminisce leads to being the handle for mind control to exploit in the form of the "centering" mechanism. It breeds an interference to progression of thought in the form of ambivalence, systemic ambivalence. The issue deriving, however, is if the unique stress imposed upon the split consciousness might ultimately lead to a certain unique robustness eventually surviving to speciate something so intensely wondrous, both new and leading to higher possibility. This is an incredible theater opportunity for those watching. JCH

This is the part that gives one hope, no matter how many tricks societal controllers come up with,
in the end awakening comes anyway, and with more and more frequency, as I have noticed in the last ten years.
But when I went back to thank the person who I though had (consciously) guided me to my first big Aha! moment
he had no clue what i was talking about.
Still on his Vodka bottle, fretting over the loss of his wife who left him for another man and had taken several of
his cargo ships along with her.

No theatre for him. But I am forever grateful to him for asking me "where do two parrallels meet?"

ulli... astonishing... I had that moment with a very similar person just over two years ago.... he left me just under two months ago as he had not grown an ounce from the moment he set my foot back on a moving escalator I had stepped off a few years before...
I stepped on this moving walkway of self discovery... and he didn't or wouldn't for fear of not being right about everything... in the end the distance was too far for him to catch up, he new it and he bottled out...

Thanks for a lovely "light Bulb Moment" post..:)

[WhiteStar]

Ad hominem is when you attack the person rather than discuss the message. .


You know what else, its very annoying!

Some are here to learn...

You know its a bit like at school when the teacher is trying to tell you something interesting and he keeps stopping just deal with stupid comments about "why can't I whistle, its a free world" And the rest don't get to find out what the teacher had to say..


Okay children, I WANT YOUR ATTENTION NOW.

how many of you are interested in listening to and discussing what James has asked?

Hands up please!

Okay, please remain in your seats.

how many of you are NOT interested and are here ONLY because you don't have anyone else to PLAY with?

Right,
those who didn't raise their hands to my first question... please follow me.

now let me see if I can find some juicy SCALY creatures who would just LOVE to play with YOU...!

Oh by the way, if you would like to take one HOME to play with you,

please let me know as I do have some very good contacts...

Okay children? ;)

[Gardener]

MODWIZ
The ones you speak of, the real power, are 4th dimensional and we defeat them in the same fashion they want to take us down. Starvation.
That is why I gave so many examples of their sources of nourishment.

That is the short and lazy answer.

And the simple and easy one. We are food, the only pupose of the elite is to keep the food coming, hence their nefarious deeds. In return they think they will remain in charge after the next stage.


Modwiz..seem like the man with all the answers because I am not.

I;m not either :) But I have some evidence. The more I can unearth shadow aspects of my psyche, the less I am manipulated and the more I see where I am vulnerable to manipulation, and the more I see when I am manipulating others.

As above so below is a truth I have found reliable, the individual/personal interactions are repeated in the hierarchical and hyperdimensional, we have been programmed with their mindset to supply their needs/food/loosh.

Removing the feeding tube is the first step; which I might add includes not believing feel good lies. If what James is saying about EMV has any truth, it makes me happy to know earth has 'something' routing for her other than us few. But we can't sit back we have to meet this head on. It is incredibly hard work but somehow we have to become proactive personally as individuals within our own psyche and remove the 'scales' from our eyes, the heart will follow naturally if we have one, it can't not.
happy carrots to all (from my garden)
g

[ulli]

Hello James,

Have you any insights you might want to share about the hexagon shaped north pole of Saturn?

[Gardener]

Torzbc....because they are NOT reptiles and it gives the wrong impression, ( one which is a convenient common theme ) they are narcissistic mad MEN/WOMEN Reptiles are reptiles, these guys are just that... HUMAN BEINGS

Yes they are narcissistic at the very least, psychopathic more like, and there is some argument as to if they are not in fact human, but another species, hence their incredible insitance on the 'bloodlines' and I don't mean the reptillian. This term could just be an extension of the 'reptillian' brain from whence survival/emotion is generated. This is not to in any way diminish the experiences of those who have interacted with this type of being, who knows what types are in the fourth density feasting on our lower emotions; or waiting to arrive.
g

[Gardener]

James could you clarify for me your understanding of the term 'split consciousness' do you refer to dissociation brought about by trauma or intense moral division which can result in dissociative identity disorder. (the way alternate personalities are created ie MK ultra.) Or do you mean the levels of consciousness? conscious, subconscious & unconscious.
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[Mystique]

James could you clarify for me your understanding of the term 'split consciousness' do you refer to dissociation brought about by trauma or intense moral division which can result in dissociative identity disorder. (the way alternate personalities are created ie MK ultra.) Or do you mean the levels of consciousness? conscious, subconscious & unconscious.
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I am not sure what James has to say about that, but I think of it as a split in the whole Psyche. Others refer to the split of duality as in good vs bad, light vs dark, male vs female etc.. And still others refer to it as the split of the right brain and left brain. I, too, would be interested in hearing what James has to say. Where is he I wonder?

[Hughe]

I got ride of humans from the equation of this mess.
What humans have showed for 10,000 years is too much artificial.

I haven't found social animals eat their own species yet. The human society where the Vampire elites rule is based on humans' blood. Correct me if I'm wrong. Humans enslave other humans, kill or indirect kill to get what they want - resources.

The fundamental mechanism of this monstrous civilization is the exploitation of human weakness: fear and insecurity which humans possess since we are born. Young souls - kids and the youth - feed into the system, they eventually become next generation of the Vampire elites.

Military forces must maintain the collective mind of fear and insecurity to its existence. Economic collapse, social melt down, the military shines always as the saviors.

[James Horak]

The latter, Gardener. It is not regarded as an evolutionary advance for a consciousness to be split into conscious mind and subconscious. Like a house "divided against itself" one element to the detriment of the other. Obviously the question is, why does it persist, why does it survive the rigors natural selection imposes? Only one answer will suffice, an artificial cause. When we look at the extremes, for instance, our fellow member, Hughe recounts here, it's not so perplexing to understand if we assume an outside factor or, in this case, an opportunized complexity maintained by controllers obsessed with maintaining a flawed condition at all costs. JCH

[Gardener]

Thank you James and all, I am on the same page now and will proceed to your new thread focusing on 'split consciousness.

[azure]

If we are conscious of the methods used upon us, that is half the battle. Defeating them requires the moral assurance we must and the courage to brave the efforts required. JCH
Thanks James.
I would like your opinion on waking others up of what is going on. I have for almost 30 years been aware of this but was considered crazy by most. Now that I have confirmation I feel free but the question is always.... What about other folks? I would love to know your opinion on this. Thanks.

I have been aware of some of the NWO plot for almost a decade now and I can attest how others can perceive one to be crazy to discuss issues that are not thrust out via television and the newspapers. It was very discouraging and frustrating at first, that no one was interested.

Over the years, I have witnessed more and more people stopping and taking a good look at the direction the world is headed and that is a good sign, so I am less frustrated ;)

[James Horak]

If we view the present, drawing parallels with the past, we find that the society in America is not perfectly able to be modeled on the past but that certain comparisons are closely borne out.
Certain equations can be made, like Homeland Security = the SA (military police) of the Third Reich. FEMA = Gestapo/SS of the Third Reich. There however, differences arise since our military
are being increasingly placed out of the country in engineered wars. Obviously not trusted to be obedient to commanders disobedient to the Constitution and unwilling to fire upon citizens standing up for rights granted under that social contract. Distinctions that can matter. JCH

[WhiteStar]

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I think i have seen that post somewhere else.
Yes it was here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14605-Can-We-TRUST-CHARLES-Our-REAL-HISTORY-and-the-E.T.-INVASION-*LIE*

in one of the last pages.

I commented there: "Result: Deafening silence and blocking out of reality by his followers."

That thread is worth a read, because it addresses certain issues which are mentioned also here...


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[Rocky_Shorz]

Seems silly a address such simplicitys as the title. I for one think Vampire is quite a good word to address these people(if you can call them that, I like less than human.

If some are not happy with that, leaches may be.

I like the term vampire... After all they are creatures of the night who suck and coerce much like these Elite

by using the term, you have chose to cast an image in the mind of something to be feared...

what we are talking about is a group of lawyers and bankers controlling the world with the only thing they can...

how about Garfield...

getting fat from others labors...

http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:TzIVAVf_hz-L8M::www.sitevip.net/garfield/images/index_img.jpg&t=1&h=88&w=129&usg=__r3xVkYD-6Ig15Z8hMhlCgHFhFqs=

[Revere]

how about Garfield...

getting fat from others labors...



Then we can change Loosh to Lasagna.....

Sorry just a little comedy ....my subconscious made me do it.

Back to it! This is an excellent thread my friends. IMHO

-R-

[lightblue]

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just what is it you propose revere? :unsure: l


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[OnyxKnight]

Vampires = Illuminati.

[Snowbird]

I haven't found social animals eat their own species yet. The human society where the Vampire elites rule is based on humans' blood. Correct me if I'm wrong. Humans enslave other humans, kill or indirect kill to get what they want - resources.

The fundamental mechanism of this monstrous civilization is the exploitation of human weakness: fear and insecurity which humans possess since we are born. Young souls - kids and the youth - feed into the system, they eventually become next generation of the Vampire elites.

When we speak in terms of a Vampire Elite, a few select bloodlines who offer allegiance to something-somewhere, whether this somewhere be on earth, off earth or another dimensional reality, we are speaking of that which controls these Vampires, Spoilers, Leaches, Dominionists, Controllers...the real influence. These families worship and offer homage to an unseen influence. We could call it an evil spirit or Pindar. It is said that one of these bloodline families stems from the influence of Pindar. The leaders of these families celebrate ceremony to this thing.

The forces of control are firmly entrenched in the form of world religions. Some of the religious faithful practice transubstantiation or the eating of the flesh of Christ and the drinking of his blood in substitutional form. Great conditioning when you stop to think about it. Some of the main bloodline families are devoted to this belief. This system of conditioning is passed from one generation to the next...not unlike stepping stones.

These bloodline families are offered great wealth and power for their continued allegiance to the force that controls them. Some of the people born into these families are good people who have no choice but to acquiesce and follow suit.

Our military has in past years, been exposed for what it really is. The mask has been removed by the public.

To go forward without further bloodshed requires a total separation of those whose minds and hearts are fixed upon peace and prosperity for all, from the bloodline families and their few thousand minions. These include the vast majority of global politicians. The only effective method of true separation stems from removing ourselves from a state of fear and moving ourselves into our place of the heart and remaining there.

[WhiteStar]

I have come here for some Peace and Quiet and hopefully to enter debate with others about James questions.

I haven't had time yet, to read through all the posts and see what others are saying, so I am jumping in here to see what flows...




There is a question more important to concerns of determining why[ civilizations fall/B] than causes like those of economic and agrarian failings, one that is almost never approached.

That question is:

what prevented necessary and foreseeable change?,

what constrains any society to repeat counter-productive patterns and to prevent finding the growth towards the viability at all social levels to evolve past the immediate pressing problems that fall it?

I would maintain this opposition to necessary change is due to an overly entrenched “vampire” elite that has stifled the economic and political institutions it commands from finding remedial solutions.

I would also maintain this can come about on planetary scale and that we are all, ALL the peoples of earth, in that [B]threatening circumstance today.
JCH

what prevented necessary and foreseeable change?,

what constrains any society to repeat counter-productive patterns and to prevent finding the growth towards the viability at all social levels to evolve past the immediate pressing problems that fall it?

Well, I personally believe that the CONTROL of information is the greatest cause.

We are in a position today, where people are 'waking up' to ideas that are NOT generally accepted or recognised by the MAJORITY of people on this Planet.

We have been LIED to in the most insidious and consistent ways for generations. This has destroyed our understanding of WHAT we really are.

Those who are 'awakening' now, are the ones who are, or have been, desperately searching for the Truth, trying to find answers to some deep inner questions or 'feelings' which present education or understanding CANNOT answer.

There is a minority who KNOW the Truth, but few people LISTEN to them and they have no platform to REACH the masses, as those in opposition can and do on a daily basis.

Education, or rather INDOCTRINATION has created a world where the majority of the 7 Billion Souls on this planet ACCEPT what they are told by those in Authority and never QUESTION them OR their authority, preferring to do as they are told, living in fear.

If only they could KNOW the TRUTH.

'This is the World of illusion' and WE are an experiment.

If the majority

have to stop here!
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[chelmostef]

Seems silly a address such simplicitys as the title. I for one think Vampire is quite a good word to address these people(if you can call them that, I like less than human.

If some are not happy with that, leaches may be.

I like the term vampire... After all they are creatures of the night who suck and coerce much like these Elite

by using the term, you have chose to cast an image in the mind of something to be feared...

what we are talking about is a group of lawyers and bankers controlling the world with the only thing they can...

Im still sticking to this statment - It seems silly a address such simplicitys as the title, neither the less here I am.

Ok firstly any fear you have about the vampire elite comes from within, no matter what the label is.

You could say its quite clever to use the word vampire as any connotations of them have come from books and films and as such are only in the mind. I think their non existence is commonly accepted. Santa is not real and neither are vampires. Any fear is self created and based on nothing more than the mind.

It does boil down to should we fear the elite or not. I would say no, so in this case vampire is a good word as described above.

Another aspect one could say is that if one was to fear them, then for personal experience of wanting to conquer anything I fear. If something is created to be feared then people will try strive to conquer it/them. And as such be counterproductive in their philosophies. I think their strategies is to be unnoticed in their work or you could say hide in the dark much simular to a vampire....

But like most things there are always more than one view point to stand from. Neither is right as there is always someone standing from somewhere else.

[jorr lundstrom]

As I see this its all about the ancient worship of Moloch. I read a newly written Swedish book a

month ago which told the story of the real purpose with the Holocoust. It seems all was done to

please Moloch. The purpose was not to kill a lot of jews, it was to create a lot of suffering.

I suppose the reason is the same today, now on a worldwide scale.

The same people create as much suffering as possible.

All is about creatingsuffering. Get it?

I have posted my story in the holcoust thread. The link is below:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12633-A-look-beneath-the-Holocaust-Propaganda-.../page20 #400

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12633-A-look-beneath-the-Holocaust-Propaganda-...&p=167231#post167231

[Maria Stade]

This is a very heavy subjekt and yes the war is ended in heaven, on 4 dencety !

Enterys feasting on suffering and fear.

The best way to do something about this is to connect with self and find balance.

Absence of fear and suffering are making them starve.

Stop eating medications that create unbalance and drugs of other kind do the same.

Eat ecological foods and drink clean water not in plastic bottles.

Love is the key, love your self !

We have lots of help from other dimentions in those that have chosen to transcend and have and are getting DNA activation.

Do not live in false happiness start dealing with it !

Stop hurting self and others !

Dont let them use YOU.

[Maria Stade]

Modwiz wrote :For more on this and a better definition of the term "loosh" please go here: http://montalk.net/matrix/64/emotional-management

Exellent info Dear Modwiz

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