Worm Tongue

[Celine]

I wish to make a statement...

and i hope it encourages ANY in my situation to come forward.

Since arriving at PA.. i have found myself trying to help the team in any way i could.

Many people come to me with questions, enquiries and comments. Most are not in secret ...but some are.

I have shared these secrets with my Husband (senior admin here) as well as Bill.

When someone has asked me to keep secrets, i have told them straight out, i keep NOTHING from my husband. They are all "ok with that" , for what ever reasons.

My word is a different story.. when asked to give my word..i have kept it.


I felt these actions were to help the MOD team..which to be honest are my friends and they themselves are entangled in so much webbing, they are being smothered/silenced.

I have also in the past faced condemnation and wrongful judgements because I have taken action to protect Bill Ryan's Integrity. I will no longer sacrifice my own, for a man who does not deserve it.

I no longer feel these actions help Avalon in any way. All it does is add to this poisonous webbing.,..and i will NO longer be a part of it.


To continue to support these actions would be not only detrimental to my heart...but a death sentence to Avalons heart.


NO CLOAKS NO DAGGERS

I return humbly to my purple pillow....

[Whitehaze]

We should be careful not to become like those that put us in this position in the first place.

[Ahkenaten]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

[Billiam]

I think this is very sad, some people should stop for a second and take a long hard look at themselves....Bullying, webbing, bitching, call it what you may is not why I joined avalon and i can scarcely believe it has come to this......

[Celine]

i understand your confusion Akh..

There is much more to the GW Story then what gets played out in public...

No owrries I am not about to share emails and pvt msg'es here.

But let me explain why i am going public.

GW sent a very targeted and destructive pvt message to 14 members..

In it she tries to rip me to shreds.. She insults and challenged Richard...and belittled Bill....IMHO ofcourse.

I will not hide behind a PM box.

No CLOAKS NO DAGGERS

[Steph]

Dear Celine,

Thank you for your post, I'm not quite sure what it means so forgive my ignorance, I'm so new to these waters.

I'm sending you a hug not because I think you need one, but because I want to.

Mouse x

[slvrfx]

Wow Celine. Something must have happened.

I have sensed something very odd today, since I came on here.

Very 'still', and some of whom IMO have been 'key players', are not here today.

Certain "Birds of a Feather Flock Together".

Just a sense, and I'm usually not wrong.

Just don't know yet if it's 'good' or 'not good'.

[Ahkenaten]

Celine ~

I am very sorry that this has happened and that you FEEL this way. It seems to me that what I call "creative chaos" (from the concept of Order out of Chaos, "Ordo Ab Chao") has been very active here of late. Several members have suggested to me recently that I "lighten up" etc. and frankly, I take that as excellent advice! While I, too, am very concerned about things that I have observed happening here, value truth and integrity above all things, and think it is very unfortunate on a number of levels ~ on the other hand this is not my website! I am only, after all, a member.

I will continue to carefully observe as one interested in credible information and sources, with my BS antennae up, but I will try to maintain balance and a SENSE OF HUMOR going forward because this is NOT real life - only a simulacrum....and what really matters most is our real lives. We must keep psychic distance from the information and people (who are often simulacrum) here.............

This Forum should only ADD to the quality of our lives, not detract from it. It is a personal call when the negatives outweigh the positives, and when that happens IMO one should STEP BACK.

Affectionately,

Ahk

[Celine]

Neither do I dear fox heart...

but i am willing to wait out and see...

[greybeard]

Yes Celine I was sent those private messages too. Private is private.
As you know I just dont get involved in what I would loosely define as politics.
I try to be neutral but hurting others cant be condoned.
Now that you have opened the lid of Pandora's box perhaps you could to be very clear and specific as far as you can be,
Is it Bill you can no longer support or some other it is not exactly clear?
Chris

[Maria Stade]

Walk the talk

Thank you Celine !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4AJFyK63Hg&NR=1

Bless you !

All Love

[slvrfx]

Maybe it's yet another 'test'.

[Ahkenaten]

Gosh Celine I feel kinda left out! (I am only kidding!) I never received any abusive PM from GW and I was pretty outspoken in what I had to say about her yesterday in Cottage Rose's thread! You must feel special to be singled out in that way.................you, too Greybeard! What a waste of energy all this nonsense is IMO!!

I am jealous!:Cry:

[Arrowwind]

Well. I have no clue what is going on with you Celine.. you are very mysterious and seem to be tempting people with cloaked talk.
Why don't you just spit it out or get off the pot? instead of dragging folks into stuff thats probably none of their business? what is your purpose of that?
or do your work though PM only.

[Celine]

As my statement said Arrowing.. NO CLOAKS NO DAGGERS

I did spit it out...quite clearly...

if you have a question, ask...dont bait me.

Im done fishing

[slvrfx]

Well. I have no clue what is going on with you Celine.. you are very mysterious and seem to be tempting people with cloaked talk.
Why don't you just spit it out or get off the pot? instead of dragging folks into stuff thats probably none of their business? what is your purpose of that?
or do your work though PM only.

I sense a genuineness in her concern that it might be happening to other people too.

How can she keep her word and still get the word out, without losing her integrity?

[Brodie75]

Hi Celine, I'm not entirely sure what's going on but i'm saddened by your heavy heart. :hug:
I'm sending you loving and peaceful thoughts

[Arrowwind]

Well. I have no clue what is going on with you Celine.. you are very mysterious and seem to be tempting people with cloaked talk.
Why don't you just spit it out or get off the pot? instead of dragging folks into stuff thats probably none of their business? what is your purpose of that?
or do your work though PM only.

I sense a genuineness in her concern that it might be happening to other people too.

How can she keep her word and still get the word out, without losing her integrity?

Do it through Pm. Not on line where there are a 1000 readers.

[DevilPigeon]

what happened.....?

:noidea:

[Celine]

No more PM's...if you cant say it publicaly...then you shouldnt say it.

Many here behave differently behind the cloak of the internet.

I for one...am done with that.

So... NO i will not keep it to PM...but thank you for the advice

[Lifesong]

I'm not sure I'll be able to express myself properly, but I'd like to try. I think we've all felt the tension and energy behind the scenes, I don't need details and don't want them.

I am secure in the knowledge that all I can do at this time is be with you, send love and energy to clarify and bridge, keep my head down and do some work. I do feel your hurt, yet I also know your strength.

Celine, you know well that if any of what is happening here is real... there will be attacks plenty. More. Repeatedly. And again.

Gypsy Woman and her opinion and actions are only that - her's. And reflections of her. Let her have them. I try not to empower energy that already feels like it doesn't fit - I've learned to trust my own red flags, "when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time".

You are actually shining even brighter today, not surprisingly. I love you for that. :)

This too shall pass. Bill's earned some trust, imho. I continue to stand completely confident this will all be turned to work out for the best.

- In peace.

[slvrfx]

Removed. The original got the quotes reversed. Redid it.

[Ultima Thule]

Greybeard kindly asked for you "to be very clear and specific as far as you can be,
Is it Bill you can no longer support or some other it is not exactly clear?"
I am having trouble with the exact meaning of the sentence and for one don´t wan´t get this one wrong - I´m not of english-speaking population, so I don´t wan´t room for error because of a foreign language.

so - who are we talking about, or in general?

[Maria Stade]

To do things not in line with spirit makes the system go sick an out of balance more than anything else.

To play games with manipulators Is to drain the self.

Learn to say : NO

Say yes to self and no to ugly games.

A energy sucker will not play games with some one that will win or are not playing.

U was a victim, that is bad but you can learn and grow and not do it again.

Dont do it again.

Love U be safe !
:kiss:

[slvrfx]

Well. I have no clue what is going on with you Celine.. you are very mysterious and seem to be tempting people with cloaked talk.
Why don't you just spit it out or get off the pot? instead of dragging folks into stuff thats probably none of their business? what is your purpose of that?
or do your work though PM only.

I sense a genuineness in her concern that it might be happening to other people too.

How can she keep her word and still get the word out, without losing her integrity?

Do it through Pm. Not on line where there are a 1000 readers.


Maybe take your own advice.

[Arrowwind]

Well. I have no clue what is going on with you Celine.. you are very mysterious and seem to be tempting people with cloaked talk.
Why don't you just spit it out or get off the pot? instead of dragging folks into stuff thats probably none of their business? what is your purpose of that?
or do your work though PM only.

I sense a genuineness in her concern that it might be happening to other people too.

How can she keep her word and still get the word out, without losing her integrity?

Do it through Pm. Not on line where there are a 1000 readers.


Maybe take your own advice.


Yes, I think I shall. Should have known better to open a thread called worm tongue

[Pamela]

I have also in the past faced condemnation and wrongful judgements because I have taken action to protect Bill Ryan's Integrity. I will no longer sacrifice my own, for a man who does not deserve it.


No more PM's...if you cant say it publicaly...then you shouldnt say it.

Maybe you should say publically if something has happened with your respect for Bill. You did start this thread and many now will be asking questions or making up their own story as to what you do mean. If you state more explicitly what has happened then it can be put to rest.

[Celine]

Yes Celine I was sent those private messages too. Private is private.
As you know I just dont get involved in what I would loosely define as politics.
I try to be neutral but hurting others cant be condoned.
Now that you have opened the lid of Pandora's box perhaps you could to be very clear and specific as far as you can be,
Is it Bill you can no longer support or some other it is not exactly clear?
Chris

As stated I no longer feel...sacrificing my integrity... to protect bills, is something i can do,

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Gosh Celine I feel kinda left out! (I am only kidding!) I never received any abusive PM from GW and I was pretty outspoken in what I had to say about her yesterday in Cottage Rose's thread! You must feel special to be singled out in that way.................you, too Greybeard! What a waste of energy all this nonsense is IMO!!

I am jealous!:Cry:

The message was sent to 14...the only targets in the message was Richard, my self...and Bill

[Lee-B]

Gosh, and here was everyone thinking GW was the drama queen. One thing I will say for GW is she has integrity. A shame she cannot be here to defend herself (but you'd be surprised who has her back) It's not over by a long shot.

[Ahkenaten]

Celine shouldn't Bill be able to protect his own integrity if any questions arose? It seems sad that you have felt in such a conflict and a moral bind i.e. that you must chose somehow between yourself and someone else. No one should be put in that position, it is surely a "No Win."

[Celine]

I have also in the past faced condemnation and wrongful judgements because I have taken action to protect Bill Ryan's Integrity. I will no longer sacrifice my own, for a man who does not deserve it.


No more PM's...if you cant say it publicaly...then you shouldnt say it.

Maybe you should say publically if something has happened with your respect for Bill. You did start this thread and many now will be asking questions or making up their own story as to what you do mean. If you state more explicitly what has happened then it can be put to rest.

Bill, broke his word to me. For any more details ask Bill...i am sure he has a...mouthfull.... to say

[rosie]

Worm tongue
inspired by the character from lord of the rings: a person you work with who quietly try's to stab you in the back and discredit you, while trying to make himself look important and productive. usually a person with ZERO personality, and ZERO friends, and often sounds like a robot when he talks.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=worm%20tongue

Hmmmmmm, time to ponder

[Celine]

Gosh, and here was everyone thinking GW was the drama queen. One thing I will say for GW is she has integrity. A shame she cannot be here to defend herself (but you'd be surprised who has her back) It's not over by a long shot.

Yes Bill has her back...

No surpirse there...since she is allowed to threaten Avalon...its security team..and its members...

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Celine shouldn't Bill be able to protect his own integrity if any questions arose? Sorry you have felt in such a conflict, i.e. that you must chose somehow between yourself and someone else. No one should be put in that position, it is surely a "No Win."

Absolutly i should have NEVER tried to protect anyones honor...but my own.

lesson learned

[GoldenYears]

For the life of me, I cant understand why folks here cant understand what happened!

Nobody noticed the discord that GW was creating here in the forum??

She was kicked to the curb for her self-serving and manipulative ways.

No one should be critisizing Celine or the mods for seeing what a lot of other members saw from the first time GW blasted onto the forum.

My educated guess is that Celine is getting a lot of nasty feedback and blame about it all, and what happened last night. Which I think is totally unfair.

GW brought it on herself, PERIOD!

[Celine]

Worm tongue
inspired by the character from lord of the rings: a person you work with who quietly try's to stab you in the back and discredit you, while trying to make himself look important and productive. usually a person with ZERO personality, and ZERO friends, and often sounds like a robot when he talks.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=worm%20tongue

Hmmmmmm, time to ponder

Yes its ugly...

Yes its dirty...

I am waiting for tru honorable people to join in the cleaninsing

[Ahkenaten]

So it is looking like the PA take-down efforts are succeeding? If so, that is very unfortunate, indeed. What can be done, if anything, to prevent that from happening?

Celine blame me for everything! I can take it! I was the one who stepped in last night and made some direct, some might think unkind statements - and I was the one who asked the Mods to close that thread "with prejudice." I don't see what you did. If anything, it was me who was, as usual, being way, way, too outspoken and some might say "unempathetic." You have always tried to express empathy, with very few exceptions.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Hi Celine,
I too have a heavy heart from all the cloaks and daggers and appreciate that you have made a public statement instead of PM'ing (a refreshing change) :)

I believe we should have these discussions out in the open, after all this is all of our forum and what an awesome forum it is!! Lets at least TRY to keep it that way.

I think we all know there are people here who's sole purpose is to create drama and conflict (they aren't hard to spot):spy:

*hug for Celine*

[Lee-B]

Gosh, and here was everyone thinking GW was the drama queen. One thing I will say for GW is she has integrity. A shame she cannot be here to defend herself (but you'd be surprised who has her back) It's not over by a long shot.

Yes Bill has her back...

No surpirse there...since she is allowed to threaten Avalon...its security team..and its members...

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Celine shouldn't Bill be able to protect his own integrity if any questions arose? Sorry you have felt in such a conflict, i.e. that you must chose somehow between yourself and someone else. No one should be put in that position, it is surely a "No Win."

Absolutly i should have NEVER tried to protect anyones honor...but my own.

lesson learned

Nonsense. If anyone is feeling threatened it's GW. She has been compromised and feels the safety of both her son and herself is at stake. Not a nice position for anyone to be in.
I'm not going to go back and forth with you Celine, I know your modus operandi from personal experience. Stop playing the victim, and look at the bigger picture.

[Pamela]

I have to say I am sorry for the postion you have been put in. You have always tried to keep things grounded here and with your heart on the line. I do hope the relationships will be able to be mended.

We do not need to lose the "white lights" of Avalon. Those who want the best for all and keep the messages here positive.

[Ahkenaten]

Lee-B, why would GW drag her son into this? Isn't that a little disingenuous? Why would she even reveal that kind of personal information here? Seems similar to YOU CAN SUE ME constantly referring to his children for sympathy. Frankly all this really reeks of games and perhaps PA members should stand forward and demand a stop to this nonsense. Life is too short for it!

P.S. Celine - I think in the spirit of truth and honesty, that this thread should be truncated because it, IMO, is clearly going nowhere and only creating more controversy.

[GoldenYears]

Gosh, and here was everyone thinking GW was the drama queen. One thing I will say for GW is she has integrity. A shame she cannot be here to defend herself (but you'd be surprised who has her back) It's not over by a long shot.

Yes Bill has her back...

No surpirse there...since she is allowed to threaten Avalon...its security team..and its members...

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Celine shouldn't Bill be able to protect his own integrity if any questions arose? Sorry you have felt in such a conflict, i.e. that you must chose somehow between yourself and someone else. No one should be put in that position, it is surely a "No Win."

Absolutly i should have NEVER tried to protect anyones honor...but my own.

lesson learned

Nonsense. If anyone is feeling threatened it's GW. She has been compromised and feels the safety of both her son and herself is at stake. Not a nice position for anyone to be in.
I'm not going to go back and forth with you Celine, I know your modus operandi from personal experience. Stop playing the victim, and look at the bigger picture.


Gee, have you talked to any of the people that GW threatened??? Integrity my butt!

[Lifesong]

Nonsense. If anyone is feeling threatened it's GW. She has been compromised and feels the safety of both her son and herself is at stake. Not a nice position for anyone to be in.


Got to throw the bullsh!t flag on that one.

Nobody's out to get GW. Self-inflated, self-important paranoia.

Who starts a thread about themself to put other posters down? Who does that?


Just my opinion, of course. :)

[Lord Sidious]

Ok, I have no idea what is going on here and I am not sure that I want to know.
I would like to know if I can help heal this so that a) we don't bleed more members and b) everyone feels that they can let go of it.

[An Cailleach]

These attacks/accusations are specific to the people involved.

IMHO it is the 'specifics', all added together, that further agendas.

Peace to all at Avalon and its past members.

[Celine]

Gosh, and here was everyone thinking GW was the drama queen. One thing I will say for GW is she has integrity. A shame she cannot be here to defend herself (but you'd be surprised who has her back) It's not over by a long shot.

Yes Bill has her back...

No surpirse there...since she is allowed to threaten Avalon...its security team..and its members...

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Celine shouldn't Bill be able to protect his own integrity if any questions arose? Sorry you have felt in such a conflict, i.e. that you must chose somehow between yourself and someone else. No one should be put in that position, it is surely a "No Win."

Absolutly i should have NEVER tried to protect anyones honor...but my own.

lesson learned

Nonsense. If anyone is feeling threatened it's GW. She has been compromised and feels the safety of both her son and herself is at stake. Not a nice position for anyone to be in.
I'm not going to go back and forth with you Celine, I know your modus operandi from personal experience. Stop playing the victim, and look at the bigger picture.


I dont play victim.. re read my posts i am DONE playing.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I started a thread... on the avdice of a friend...

To state that i will no longer be anyones patsy...


I am sure that is clear from my statements.

[DevilPigeon]

i'm still lost.....

it seems that some posts from the 'fess up to throwin a paddy' thread have been deleted/made unavailable for some reason, and that GW is no longer a subscriber.... that's all i know.

[Whitehaze]

Nonsense. If anyone is feeling threatened it's GW. She has been compromised and feels the safety of both her son and herself is at stake. Not a nice position for anyone to be in.


Got to throw the bullsh!t flag on that one.

Nobody's out to get GW. Self-inflated, self-important paranoia.

Who starts a thread about themself to put other posters down? Who does that?


Just my opinion, of course. :)

I have to agree with this statement. If people do not wish to be attacked on a forum, then they should consider how they present their ideas and themselves. If you present it in a provacative manner, then you will draw that sort of response. If your replies and comments are laced with barbs, then surely that is what you will get back.

Project things in a positive manner, and the responses will be of the same. Laws of attraction.

[slvrfx]

Question-

Does GW go by any other names?

Seems like there was another person a few weeks ago who felt her and her son were at 'risk', which was absolutely not the case.

She was putting her own twist to things, to justify her open criticism of someone she was arguing with.

[Lee-B]

Like you have your voice (and followers) here. GW will find her voice elsewhere.

To anyone not privy to the PM received by the 14 on here (and others by email, actually)
Ask yourself this. Why would Bill have GW's back?
I mean, when it comes down to it, you're all here because of Bill right, not the moderating team and their spouses.
That's my final word on this, I'm not going to get into a slanging match with "interested" parties.
End of.

[Celine]

Alll here cuz of Bill?

Hmm..

Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

[GoldenYears]

i'm still lost.....

it seems that some posts from the 'fess up to throwin a paddy' thread have been deleted/made unavailable for some reason, and that GW is no longer a subscriber.... that's all i know.

Yeah, its one of those "had to be there" things. Certain posts were removed because it got kind of heated. I watched in the background as it happened. GW said herself to Richard, to paraphrase...if you dont like what Im saying, then push the button. So he did. End of story.

[Celine]

Yes she has challenged him more then once.

Richard has the patience of Jobe.

He has worked 40+ hours here a week (like most mods) for almost 2 years...

Is his investement worth anything?

Richard deserved none of her attacks...

i may have...thru my own stupidity...called it on myself but richard DOES NOT DESERVE THIS

[greybeard]

Respectfully
If there was is an attempt to bring down discredit Avalon you can not lay that at Celine's door or Richards.
I have was PMd by GW I cant go in to it but I was taken aback by the attack on Celine Bill and Charles.

PA functioned extremely well up till 1st of Jan so if anyone wants to seek the root of the current problems search for it after that date.

Respectfully Chris

[chelmostef]

I dont play victim.. re read my posts i am DONE playing.
I started a thread... on the avdice of a friend...

To state that i will no longer be anyones patsy...


I am sure that is clear from my statements.

Its quite clear whats happening here. Don't play the game. Do not get sucked in. Avalon was destroyed last time, its not the agents that do it its us. We make this happen by participation. Keep strong Celine you have done the right thing. No more cloak and daggers, lets blow out all the bad energy and vibrations. I felt when I logged on. Let us clear this energy Now.

I do not know the whole story but I could see it unfolding. You can just sense and know this is happening. No more Cloak and daggers.

I for one fully support you Celine. Let us clear this bad air with laughter and joy, let us turn it around into a positive.

Let's cure the worm tongue.

I love you Celine and all of Avalon :luv: :luv:

[Fred Steeves]

Why is this dirty laundry being aired in public? Many reading this, including me, don't even know what this crisis is about. Seems to me this should be hashed out by just the people involved, if not then the people involved should be invited here to air their side of this foggy story too.

Cheers,
Fred S.

[Lee-B]

Alll here cuz of Bill?

Hmm..

Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

Which is something people should be aware of, especially if they are not keen on people who flatter to deceive, and are somewhat duplicitous, whether they are aware of it or not.

[Gone002]

Pah the lot of it. I thought we had all put this stuff behind us. :(

[slvrfx]

Bill, broke his word to me.


This is the BIG DEAL for Celine. I don't have to know details.

And I trust that she knows her own feelings about being betrayed.

She's the only one who knows the entire story, so I appeal to all of you readers to at least respect that this is the way she feels.

As for me, I take the stance with Bill, or with anyone else, that unless they do something to me personally, I can't judge.

But I repeat, RESPECT HER, she knows what's happened to her personally.

[Celine]

Fred..

Private messaging is what causes the issue...

I apologize if this...coming to terms....is not fitted for Avalon..

But i had little choice...

The only other thing i have to offer... is #Round-Table ...a chat room...that is used to meet all at the same level and discuss issues or hash out problems..

I invite any involved to sit at the table...

and from my heart...i hope you do.

[passenger1147]

threads like this, to me, harm Avalon :(...... waaaaaay too much drama on this site.

[greybeard]

I for once am getting some what frustrated.

I am not a friend of Richard I don't know him but I will not hear one word against him.

He has worked away quietly for all of us.

I have been surprised by some of Bills actions but I don't judge, I don't have the full story and the Charles event has been a mixed blessing.
Bill has tried to be reasonable, tried to see every ones point of view, very difficult for him.

Celine is a friend of long standing I dont always agree with her but I remain happily her friend.

Can we please back off and let Avalon and all members recover from what has been a very difficult time since January.

What does all this serve?
Not us.

Namaste

Old and Grey and very tired
Chris

[Celine]

Alll here cuz of Bill?

Hmm..

Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

Which is something people should be aware of, especially if they are not keen on people who flatter to deceive, and are somewhat duplicitous, whether they are aware of it or not.

Yes you were very different Lee-B when you came to me with info you got from another member...and juts HAD to tell me...you were so concerned...remember?

I immedietly sent you to speak to richard becuase i sensed BS

[chelmostef]

Anyone with eyes or ears could see this happening, this is a targeted attack.

Let us send them love and good vibrations lets convert them. Negativity feeds the monster... Lets try not to feed it any more.... I hope this has not gone to far and some are walking down a blind alley.

This is not directed at you Celine. These People hide in the shaddows that is their strength.

[Steph]

Ok, I have no idea what is going on here and I am not sure that I want to know.
I would like to know if I can help heal this so that a) we don't bleed more members and b) everyone feels that they can let go of it.

You know, every day I appreciate you a little bit more Sidious, well said m'dear.

Mouse x

[An Cailleach]

Anyone with eyes or ears could see this happening, this is a targeted attack.

Let us send them love and good vibrations lets convert them. Negativity feeds the monster... Lets try not to feed it any more.... I hope this has not gone to far and some are walking down a blind alley.

This is not directed at you Celine. These People hide in the shaddows that is their strength.

I totally agree.

[Lifesong]

Bill, broke his word to me.


This is the BIG DEAL for Celine. I don't have to know details.

And I trust that she knows her own feelings about being betrayed.

She's the only one who knows the entire story, so I appeal to all of you readers to at least respect that this is the way she feels.

As for me, I take the stance with Bill, or with anyone else, that unless they do something to me personally, I can't judge.

But I repeat, RESPECT HER, she knows what's happened to her personally.


There's still part of me that wants to take it personally too though, that's my struggle.

"Whatever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me."

Still, I hope there's a reason yet unrevealed, a lesson perhaps not fully unfolded yet.


Celine - how do I do that (#Round-Table)?

[Celine]

Ok, I have no idea what is going on here and I am not sure that I want to know.
I would like to know if I can help heal this so that a) we don't bleed more members and b) everyone feels that they can let go of it.

Thank you LS...


Your words stem the blood flow... thank you..

To let go... not that i have an issue with...

I dont expect the man ever loved me the way i love him... But the betrayal is where my heart is blocked..(i know i am not the only one to feel this way)

In the end i probably have to accept that it was all a lie.

i was wrong....and i can admit that...and i can learn from that.

I have learned more...watching all of you... then i have in a long long time.


i am humbled...to be part of this group.


(i know i am not the only one to feel this way)

[Lee-B]

Alll here cuz of Bill?

Hmm..

Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

Which is something people should be aware of, especially if they are not keen on people who flatter to deceive, and are somewhat duplicitous, whether they are aware of it or not.

Yes you were very different Lee-B when you came to me with info you got from another member...and juts HAD to tell me...you were so concerned...remember?

I immedietly sent you to speak to richard becuase i sensed BS

Now you're getting a little too provocative for my tastes. I am no different, what you see is what you get. I'm not bi-polar.
Yes, I came to you because I thought I could trust you, based on other peoples interactions with you. I'm not going to go into PRIVATE conversations on here. It is worth noting how I ceased all communication with yourself and Richard on that matter when *I* sensed BS.

And just for the record, things have moved on since then. I have been nothing but honest and transparent. I felt extremely guilty for confiding in you, knowing it was a huge error of judgement.
So much so, that I told the EX MODERATOR concerned, exactly what I had divulged to yourself and Richard.

He was fine with that, and appreciated my honesty. And knowing full well that I put the cat amongst the pigeons.

[Celine]

And knowing full well that I put the cat amongst the pigeons.


Agent provocateurs...

I am sooo fed up of that ****

[Chicodoodoo]

Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

The lack of transparency is a tremendous problem. It is the cancer killing our world.

One of my goals as a human being is to be an integral person. As such, the way I act on the forum and in private are one in the same. I would encourage everyone to strive to become integral. It is very liberating. If there are things inside you that you must hide in public, ask yourself why. There is a real educational opportunity in front of you when you do that.

[chelmostef]

Look any one who says this is just stuff being aired in Avalon has no idea, sorry. We, some of have seen this done before. Lets not make the same mistake. Lets not feed the monster this needs to be out here so we Avalon can fix it... As Chris has said Avalon was strong untill christmas. We should fall to that as our model if in doubt.

[Celine]

The "game" in the alternative media industry is to create as much contraversy as you can...and make stars out of the "jouranlists" rather then making Truth the star.

everyone in the alternative media industry is hungry for their Holy grail..........

Sound familiar??

¤=[Post Update]=¤

i have admited to my sins...

do you think...some..reading this thread will to?

[chelmostef]

Lee did you watch as Avalon 1 was pulled down around us? This is stinks of the same dirty hand at work.... Your negativity is feeding this monster, stop it.

[Trail]

Why is this dirty laundry being aired in public? Many reading this, including me, don't even know what this crisis is about. Seems to me this should be hashed out by just the people involved, if not then the people involved should be invited here to air their side of this foggy story too.

Cheers,
Fred S.

The problem is there's already way to much going on behind the scene. Too many censored threads are closed or moved out of sight into special access areas on the forum, invisible to the regular registered member.

This is hurting avalon the most. Everyone has heard the rumours and we know we cannot make an informed decision about the latest subjects anymore. Ever incidence of censorship creates more distrust now.

Avalon's grace and honour should be re-established as quickly as possible by replacing the rumours with facts by plainly going public with everything going on behind the scenes. We're all curious and not stupid. We deserve to know the full story. We're here for the truth Gdmt!

~Trail.

[Dale]

Stopping in for a minutes - there seems to be a crescendoing wave of drama and tension unfolding.

Might I suggest we turn away from our screens for a moment, think of three things we admire about the individual or individuals our frustration is directed toward, hold that feeling for several minutes, and then come back?

I wish everyone the best, and now, back to lunch for me!

[Steph]

I'm off to read a book. I hope some peace can be found here for all concerned.

I'll leave you all with this - love to you all xx

YN1JoJcRvJg

[Celine]

Why is this dirty laundry being aired in public? Many reading this, including me, don't even know what this crisis is about. Seems to me this should be hashed out by just the people involved, if not then the people involved should be invited here to air their side of this foggy story too.

Cheers,
Fred S.

The problem is there's already way to much going on behind the scene. Too many censored threads are closed or moved out of sight into special access areas on the forum, invisible to the regular registered member.

This is hurting avalon the most. Everyone has heard the rumours and we know we cannot make an informed decision about the latest subjects anymore. Ever incidence of censorship creates more distrust now.

Avalon's grace and honour should be re-established as quickly as possible by replacing the rumours with facts by plainly going public with everything going on behind the scenes. We're all curious and not stupid. We deserve to know the full story. We're here for the truth Gdmt!

~Trail.

I have remouved any veil i have put on the truth...

[Lee-B]

Lee did you watch as Avalon 1 was pulled down around us? This is stinks of the same dirty hand at work.... Your negativity is feeding this monster, stop it.

With respect, I've never interacted with you, you don't know me. Anyone that does will confirm I only seek the truth. If this place crumbles, there is one person responsible for his HUGE error of judgement, and that I am sad to say, is Bill.

[Whitehaze]

Stopping in for a minutes - there seems to be a crescendoing wave of drama and tension unfolding.

Might I suggest we turn away from our screens for a moment, think of three things we admire about the individual or individuals our frustration is directed toward, hold that feeling for several minutes, and then come back?

I wish everyone the best, and now, back to lunch for me!

Well said. And perhaps we could remember the goal of what all of us want, I think it is the same thing. There are three roads to Rome, we dont all have to walk the same road. What matters is we all show up there.

[Kindling]

Celine, I am so sorry that you had to experience this. I woke up thinking of you this morning. I don't know all the behind-the-scenes details, but I was so very disturbed by Gypsy's verbal attacks on you and other members. That it continued by PM and became so personal is terrible. The things she insinuated concerning Bill were wild, too - sheesh. What is up with this woman?? Lee, if you know something we don't please share. Why would this not be over? And why would you throw out the bi-polar jab? Wow! For all of our sakes, I hope it is over. I'm not being hurt by her myself, but it hurts me to see others being hurt. Yesterday, I was glad to see the disturbing posts deleted, but now I wonder if that was a good idea. I felt like Gypsy really showed her true colors. Celine, I don't know Bill except through his work, but I can't help but believe that he will find a way to make this right.

[Celine]

Lee did you watch as Avalon 1 was pulled down around us? This is stinks of the same dirty hand at work.... Your negativity is feeding this monster, stop it.

With respect, I've never interacted with you, you don't know me. Anyone that does will confirm I only seek the truth. If this place crumbles, there is one person responsible for his HUGE error of judgement, and that I am sad to say, is Bill.

As pissed off as i am with you Lee-B.... i have to agree

[firstlook]

i understand your confusion Akh..

There is much more to the GW Story then what gets played out in public...

No owrries I am not about to share emails and pvt msg'es here.

But let me explain why i am going public.

GW sent a very targeted and destructive pvt message to 14 members..

In it she tries to rip me to shreds.. She insults and challenged Richard...and belittled Bill....IMHO ofcourse.

I will not hide behind a PM box.

No CLOAKS NO DAGGERS

Yeah this is something we as a community should watch out for. At first glance it appears as whispers of of being hurt, but the more you hold onto to these feelings in secret settings, the more opportunity they evolve into anger. Which can play out in many destructive ways.

Not to play down peoples opinions, but I have found that the best way to change the situation is to come together and state how you can see the others persons "flaws" as "positives".

Its a very humbling exercise, and teaches both parties to learn about the other. Its all about understanding personal context of a persons actions. This way your not judging each other on who is right and who is wrong, your simply exchanging stories and choices.

:)

[Lee-B]

Lee did you watch as Avalon 1 was pulled down around us? This is stinks of the same dirty hand at work.... Your negativity is feeding this monster, stop it.

With respect, I've never interacted with you, you don't know me. Anyone that does will confirm I only seek the truth. If this place crumbles, there is one person responsible for his HUGE error of judgement, and that I am sad to say, is Bill.

As pissed off as i am with you Lee-B.... i have to agree

One day you'll realise I'm the last person you should be pissed off with.

[Scout]

Not sure what initiated all of this but I am sending positive, healing thoughts to Avalon

[gigha]

Like you have your voice (and followers) here. GW will find her voice elsewhere.

To anyone not privy to the PM received by the 14 on here (and others by email, actually)
Ask yourself this. Why would Bill have GW's back?
I mean, when it comes down to it, you're all here because of Bill right, not the moderating team and their spouses.
That's my final word on this, I'm not going to get into a slanging match with "interested" parties.
End of.

Really???.....

[Celine]

Tell me why then... here and now...

why wait??


I am tired of all this games...

[chelmostef]

WE need to keep the perspective and that is the heart of Avalon.... I was not or had any dealings with all this going on. Its not fare for a few agent provocateurs to dissemble what has taken so long to build....

We should keep the perspective of this is just a few members causing trouble, lets not not get fouled in there game.

I hope we can fix this without it crashing in the deep end.

Perspective and love.

[Noble Hops]

Out of curiosity, does this recent cat fighting/attention whoredom activity have any connection to the 'Charles' material, or no? A bit out of the loop with the details. . .

[chelmostef]

This is about few people lets not fight like TPTwere want us to. This is what they want.

Let not shoot people who are unintentionally involved, this is how the web works your are in it without even knowing and fighting each other and THEY are laughing at us... Lets turn this round and laugh at them.

[Celine]

Out of curiosity, does this recent cat fighting/attention whoredom activity have any connection to the 'Charles' material, or no? A bit out of the loop with the details. . .

Not at all...

expect for maybe some extenuating emotional residue ....

but thats on a personal level... and has little to do with the charles information...

[GoldenYears]

Out of curiosity, does this recent cat fighting/attention whoredom activity have any connection to the 'Charles' material, or no? A bit out of the loop with the details. . .

Umm, no..............

[Gone002]

Im kinda curious was GW not given a time out a while ago and did she not leave ?

[Celine]

Yes and she came back just as head strong..

Probably cuz someones got her back ;)

[jjl]

Alll here cuz of Bill?

Hmm..

Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

Which is something people should be aware of, especially if they are not keen on people who flatter to deceive, and are somewhat duplicitous, whether they are aware of it or not.

Yes you were very different Lee-B when you came to me with info you got from another member...and juts HAD to tell me...you were so concerned...remember?
This is UNBELIEVEBLE!!!

I immedietly sent you to speak to richard becuase i sensed BS

I do happen to know Lee pretty well and he's not BS. What has he done to earn this? Every night it's a new problem with someone else

[Gone002]

Yes and she came back just as head strong..

Probably cuz someones got her back ;)

Your probably right, in anycase it does seem she has a hit list and is trying to tick of the names.

[Celine]

Ok before anyone gets more upset about this...

Points of clarification


Women are can be emotional....We react with our hearts... THIS IS NOT A WEAKNESS

Women are can be dramatic.......We like to be seen and heard..... THIS IS NOT A WEAKNESS


Attacking others is NOT what women do best...yet we seem so catty at times.... This is a weakness.

I can imagine a big table with every one sitting and talking..

And no one calls anyone a whore...

A man does not talk about another mans woman with disrespect...

A women a not persecuted for not being perfect

[jjl]

If Bill broke his word to me...I would be out of here in a FLASH! Seriously, what is there to gain?

[chelmostef]

People who want to know what is happening?

This is what happens- We all fight each other and Avalon falls to bits. I seen it before.... And its us that fights, they play us against each other.... The only ones who win are them... And the worst bit is they sit back after they have lit the touch paper and watch us blow ourselves up.

[Celine]

i sat in silence to long chel...i am sorry

¤=[Post Update]=¤


If Bill broke his word to me...I would be out of here in a FLASH! Seriously, what is there to gain?



You are correct.


i suppose the ties that bind are stronger then i thought

[greybeard]

The whole is greater than the sum of parts.
Look at the majority reason for being here.
We find like minded people in many different "libraries" here.
An amazing interactive place where people can ask questions and get appropriate answers.
Long lasting friendships are formed.
Most did not actually vote in recent polls.
Many come here just to read.
Now we are into who said what?
Why?
There is I suspect a deliberate attempt to unsettle this resource.

Apart from supporting long term friends I am not much interested in the normal ebb and flow.
Now we have,
People come for a few weeks manage to get banned in short order, get reinstated, create mayhem, get banned again.
I look at people who come and contribute positively not for a few days but years.
I place my trust in them.

Again this serves no one who is a genuine member here and appreciates what we have.

Chris

[chelmostef]

The concept is simple the web is intricate.

Please bear that in mind, it take a while to spin the web... And without even knowing you are in it unintentionally and we fight each other for no good reason.

This all happens behind the scenes and it all comes out in the open, thats when we swing into each other.

[Jendayi]

Not sure what initiated all of this but I am sending positive, healing thoughts to Avalon
same here!!!!!
remember... we teach best what we most need to learn...

[Celine]

Not sure what initiated all of this but I am sending positive, healing thoughts to Avalon
same here!!!!!
remember... we teach best what we most need to learn...

thanks for the "kiss" jen :)

[Dennis Leahy]

Don't know if I know enough to recommend that this be allowed to completely "play out", or be curtailed, but...

if this is to be openly played out, please remember that your emotions may tempt you to hit the "Enter" key earlier than you should. Nothing wrong with telling the truth, but restraining the emotional content and doing the least amount of damage. A cup of herbal tea and/or a number of deep, slow pranic breaths of fresh air can only improve the chance of a positive outcome.

When you "speak" (or type) your throat chakra is involved, but don't divorce your throat chakra from your heart chakra.

Remember in your heart of hearts that (minus the 1% here who are agents or mean-spirited egoists) all of Avalon, the cool people, the silly people, the mundane people, the spiritual people, the wise people, and the neophytes are ALL ON THE SAME SIDE. Your challenge is to express yourself and when in opposition to argue your stance with integrity and truth and without divisiveness. It is a tough challenge sometimes, but should always be the goal.

Namaste,

Dennis

[chelmostef]

Im glad you came forward someone had to.... This web takes a while to spin.

It a game plan with one intention.

[write4change]

Dear Celine,

I have never written on any thread of yours or replied to any comment. That is because your way of writing to any one who knows anything about psychology is dangerous. I am known for being direct and some people find that rude. When I lived in Beverly Hills I was known as the token authentic woman and you don't ask Jai unless you really want an answer. Putting this thread up the way you have is asking for what I am going to tell you.

You never say what you mean or mean what you say. It is all so ethereal that I have no idea what you are talking about most of the time. I soon decided after coming here to stay away from your threads. I know how much PMing you do, and chatting, and phone calling. You are everywhere. Enough so that I run into you in-spite of not wanting to get involved in this in any way.

I consider it a big deal to accuse anyone publicly or privately of not having integrity. I think it is a form of slander to say someone broke their word to you and then not say exactly the why and how. In Bill Ryan's case--this man is an international reporter with a body of work and a lifetime of acquiring skills. You are threatening all that. You are saying he has major biases we are not aware of. You are saying he does not have a core of integrity we can trust and that he is two faced. These are serious accusations with no evidence to back them up other than you are a person of love.

Well let me tell you something, a person of love does not do what you are doing. I can only judge you by your actions. Your actions are emotionally based. You require and solicit a lot of stroking. That is very up front and anyone with an kind of awareness knows that about you. I don't have a problem with it. People choose or not to participate in that.

It is a problem when it gets out of hand, when the need for being psychologically petted requires that every one else be diminished. I am also an old lady with a body of work and I value my integrity. I have not spoken to either you or Richard in any way. As a mod, he tells me he is in danger of "snapping."

You tell me he works 40 hours a week on this site out of the goodness of his heart. Altruism is done because it feels good. Both of you have huge identity issues with this site. I do not experience the people here as needing the amount of "modification" that goes on here. It is because someone is awaysl stirring up that pot that it requires all this seasoning and putting the lid on and off. Everybody needs to just stop playing these games. It is no different than who are the powers that be in Avalon?

I have news for you and people who think like you. There are no powers that be at Avalon and there will never be. That is because as I understand Bill, he held out to the Universe that he was willing to serve a need. He does that by listening and letting things unfold. This is a time of confusion and chaos. Focus cannot be forced nor can conclusions. We need time to learn how to do this. Time to learn who each other is. Time to become grounded in a higher power. This is what I experience Bill holding out. This is what I experience Bill attracting. The minute that stops--Avalon will again stop. We are all part of the process--even Bill.

You are the most prolific poster here. I find most of it to be nonsense. It serves your needs and not the needs of the site. I say this knowing full well the flack I am going to get over this. What is the Divine Feminine--she serves the needs of the planet. She weaves webs of support and love and understanding. It is not me and my husband against the world. It is not my way or the highway.

It is explaining why something is working or not working. It is taking a solid position so no one can have any doubt of what is going on. Your behavior has led me to distrust some of the people I most found an affinity for from the beginning. I will have to work all this out with time.

I am telling you that you need to rethink your behavior, your accusations, your positions, and your presentations.

In case you have never heard this before, from Ralph Waldo Emerson, what you are speaks so loud, I cannot hear what you say.

I speak for wanting this site to succeed and to do that it needs wisdom, compassion, and time. Are you committed to that?

I have written this as my answering a call of the universe as I understand it. It is my intention that it bring more healing than dissension. I am a nurse by profession--there are wounds that need to be cut and drained and cleaned in order for healing to take place. I see this as one of them.

My deepest sympathy and empathy to all of us experiencing this.

Jai

[Celine]

it might take a while to spin...

but one good pass with the broom...

and its all gone

[chelmostef]

Lets all show our strongest attributes that is the only way to win. We can do this.

We need to be positive, laugh and focus our love for Avalon. Avalon is why we are all here lets show em what we are made of.

[K626]

When the stakes are at their highest truth takes on its own power.

Peace to all.

K

[chelmostef]

Think of a feather duster clearing your aura. Dust them out. Feel the energy coming though the bottom of your spine out out though your head. Do Not go the other way around.

I hope we can get though this.

[Richard]

Alll here cuz of Bill?

Hmm..

Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

Which is something people should be aware of, especially if they are not keen on people who flatter to deceive, and are somewhat duplicitous, whether they are aware of it or not.

Yes you were very different Lee-B when you came to me with info you got from another member...and juts HAD to tell me...you were so concerned...remember?

I immedietly sent you to speak to richard becuase i sensed BS

Now you're getting a little too provocative for my tastes. I am no different, what you see is what you get. I'm not bi-polar.
Yes, I came to you because I thought I could trust you, based on other peoples interactions with you. I'm not going to go into PRIVATE conversations on here. It is worth noting how I ceased all communication with yourself and Richard on that matter when *I* sensed BS.

And just for the record, things have moved on since then. I have been nothing but honest and transparent. I felt extremely guilty for confiding in you, knowing it was a huge error of judgement.
So much so, that I told the EX MODERATOR concerned, exactly what I had divulged to yourself and Richard.

He was fine with that, and appreciated my honesty. And knowing full well that I put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Your lucky your on the other side of the Atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person I would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen

[silentghost80]

Dear Celine,

I have never written on any thread of yours or replied to any comment. That is because your way of writing to any one who knows anything about psychology is dangerous. I am known for being direct and some people find that rude. When I lived in Beverly Hills I was known as the token authentic woman and you don't ask Jai unless you really want an answer. Putting this thread up the way you have is asking for what I am going to tell you.

You never say what you mean or mean what you say. It is all so ethereal that I have no idea what you are talking about most of the time. I soon decided after coming here to stay away from your threads. I know how much PMing you do, and chatting, and phone calling. You are everywhere. Enough so that I run into you in-spite of not wanting to get involved in this in any way.

I consider it a big deal to accuse anyone publicly or privately of not having integrity. I think it is a form of slander to say someone broke their word to you and then not say exactly the why and how. In Bill Ryan's case--this man is an international reporter with a body of work and a lifetime of acquiring skills. You are threatening all that. You are saying he has major biases we are not aware of. You are saying he does not have a core of integrity we can trust and that he is two faced. These are serious accusations with no evidence to back them up other than you are a person of love.

Well let me tell you something, a person of love does not do what you are doing. I can only judge you by your actions. Your actions are emotionally based. You require and solicit a lot of stroking. That is very up front and anyone with an kind of awareness knows that about you. I don't have a problem with it. People choose or not to participate in that.

It is a problem when it gets out of hand, when the need for being psychologically petted requires that every one else be diminished. I am also an old lady with a body of work and I value my integrity. I have not spoken to either you or Richard in any way. As a mod, he tells me he is in danger of "snapping."

You tell me he works 40 hours a week on this site out of the goodness of his heart. Altruism is done because it feels good. Both of you have huge identity issues with this site. I do not experience the people here as needing the amount of "modification" that goes on here. It is because someone is awaysl stirring up that pot that it requires all this seasoning and putting the lid on and off. Everybody needs to just stop playing these games. It is no different than who are the powers that be in Avalon?

I have news for you and people who think like you. There are no powers that be at Avalon and there will never be. That is because as I understand Bill, he held out to the Universe that he was willing to serve a need. He does that by listening and letting things unfold. This is a time of confusion and chaos. Focus cannot be forced nor can conclusions. We need time to learn how to do this. Time to learn who each other is. Time to become grounded in a higher power. This is what I experience Bill holding out. This is what I experience Bill attracting. The minute that stops--Avalon will again stop. We are all part of the process--even Bill.

You are the most prolific poster here. I find most of it to be nonsense. It serves your needs and not the needs of the site. I say this knowing full well the flack I am going to get over this. What is the Divine Feminine--she serves the needs of the planet. She weaves webs of support and love and understanding. It is not me and my husband against the world. It is not my way or the highway.

It is explaining why something is working or not working. It is taking a solid position so no one can have any doubt of what is going on. Your behavior has led me to distrust some of the people I most found an affinity for from the beginning. I will have to work all this out with time.

I am telling you that you need to rethink your behavior, your accusations, your positions, and your presentations.

In case you have never heard this before, from Ralph Waldo Emerson, what you are speaks so loud, I cannot hear what you say.

I speak for wanting this site to succeed and to do that it needs wisdom, compassion, and time. Are you committed to that?

I have written this as my answering a call of the universe as I understand it. It is my intention that it bring more healing than dissension. I am a nurse by profession--there are wounds that need to be cut and drained and cleaned in order for healing to take place. I see this as one of them.

My deepest sympathy and empathy to all of us experiencing this.

Jai

with this long line of B.S. who are you trying to convince yourself perhaps ?
and your no damn better you just attacked celine yourself

[Ahkenaten]

The "game" in the alternative media industry is to create as much contraversy as you can...and make stars out of the "jouranlists" rather then making Truth the star.

everyone in the alternative media industry is hungry for their Holy grail..........

Sound familiar??

¤=[Post Update]=¤

i have admited to my sins...

do you think...some..reading this thread will to?

But Celine if the game in alternative media is to create controversy (translated into web traffic) then - how do we avoid playing into that while at the same time honorably addressing any issues that have arisen? I wonder if this - yet another thread heating people up, dividing people up into groups "for and against" issues/people, is the way to go? Isn't this playing into the dialectic that is always used to smash and destroy human networks? Again, I respectfully suggest that nothing positive will be gained by people expounding on this thread........ONLY NEGATIVE WILL COME OF IT. We should put our heads together and figure out a way to avoid these kinds of tar-baby traps so we are not collectively victimized by them any more. THAT would be a productive use of our time and the phenomenal energy here.

[Richard]

You have NO clue what she and I and the mods have been enduring.
No one does.
So in light of that your talking through your ass here


Dear Celine,

I have never written on any thread of yours or replied to any comment. That is because your way of writing to any one who knows anything about psychology is dangerous. I am known for being direct and some people find that rude. When I lived in Beverly Hills I was known as the token authentic woman and you don't ask Jai unless you really want an answer. Putting this thread up the way you have is asking for what I am going to tell you.

You never say what you mean or mean what you say. It is all so ethereal that I have no idea what you are talking about most of the time. I soon decided after coming here to stay away from your threads. I know how much PMing you do, and chatting, and phone calling. You are everywhere. Enough so that I run into you in-spite of not wanting to get involved in this in any way.

I consider it a big deal to accuse anyone publicly or privately of not having integrity. I think it is a form of slander to say someone broke their word to you and then not say exactly the why and how. In Bill Ryan's case--this man is an international reporter with a body of work and a lifetime of acquiring skills. You are threatening all that. You are saying he has major biases we are not aware of. You are saying he does not have a core of integrity we can trust and that he is two faced. These are serious accusations with no evidence to back them up other than you are a person of love.

Well let me tell you something, a person of love does not do what you are doing. I can only judge you by your actions. Your actions are emotionally based. You require and solicit a lot of stroking. That is very up front and anyone with an kind of awareness knows that about you. I don't have a problem with it. People choose or not to participate in that.

It is a problem when it gets out of hand, when the need for being psychologically petted requires that every one else be diminished. I am also an old lady with a body of work and I value my integrity. I have not spoken to either you or Richard in any way. As a mod, he tells me he is in danger of "snapping."

You tell me he works 40 hours a week on this site out of the goodness of his heart. Altruism is done because it feels good. Both of you have huge identity issues with this site. I do not experience the people here as needing the amount of "modification" that goes on here. It is because someone is awaysl stirring up that pot that it requires all this seasoning and putting the lid on and off. Everybody needs to just stop playing these games. It is no different than who are the powers that be in Avalon?

I have news for you and people who think like you. There are no powers that be at Avalon and there will never be. That is because as I understand Bill, he held out to the Universe that he was willing to serve a need. He does that by listening and letting things unfold. This is a time of confusion and chaos. Focus cannot be forced nor can conclusions. We need time to learn how to do this. Time to learn who each other is. Time to become grounded in a higher power. This is what I experience Bill holding out. This is what I experience Bill attracting. The minute that stops--Avalon will again stop. We are all part of the process--even Bill.

You are the most prolific poster here. I find most of it to be nonsense. It serves your needs and not the needs of the site. I say this knowing full well the flack I am going to get over this. What is the Divine Feminine--she serves the needs of the planet. She weaves webs of support and love and understanding. It is not me and my husband against the world. It is not my way or the highway.

It is explaining why something is working or not working. It is taking a solid position so no one can have any doubt of what is going on. Your behavior has led me to distrust some of the people I most found an affinity for from the beginning. I will have to work all this out with time.

I am telling you that you need to rethink your behavior, your accusations, your positions, and your presentations.

In case you have never heard this before, from Ralph Waldo Emerson, what you are speaks so loud, I cannot hear what you say.

I speak for wanting this site to succeed and to do that it needs wisdom, compassion, and time. Are you committed to that?

I have written this as my answering a call of the universe as I understand it. It is my intention that it bring more healing than dissension. I am a nurse by profession--there are wounds that need to be cut and drained and cleaned in order for healing to take place. I see this as one of them.

My deepest sympathy and empathy to all of us experiencing this.

Jai

[Selene]

[Ouch. While I was away composing this note, some nasty blows were thrown. Nevertheless...my contribution to this, uh, discussion:]

Dearest Celine –

You are so utterly brave to open your heart to us all. You’ve suffered so many slings and arrows that were never intended to reach you – and yes, a few did want to hurt you as they knew they would. You took a bullet, as it were, for all of us here.

I wish I could hold your hands and console you somehow. Your integrity and honesty here will never be compromised – because that is what you are as a person. No one can ever take that from you. And the respect you have earned in the eyes of others here will remain as well.

We are lucky to have you here.

And, if I may, I have no idea what happened between you and Bill – and it is none of my business – but in other respects the “person who had GW’s back” could well have been her, umm, employers in the black ops. Because it quickly became obvious that she was not here on her own, nor a true Avalonian. She was part of a team – she (accidentally) alluded to that herself. And very possibly (N.B. I don’t ‘know’ anything) Bill allowed GW to remain in play long enough to learn more about who, really, ‘has her back’, here and elsewhere.

Attempts to bring PA and all of Camelot down by causing divisions and setting member off against each other – “divide and conquer” – is one of the oldest and most effective subversion strategies out there. And regrettably, there are those who remain determined to succeed at it. They won’t give up easily. Discernment is still all. The game will continue, whether we want it to or not.

All my fondest and most respectful regards, dear lady. I hope your tears are soon dried. And that Avalon will rightly continue to serve its highest purpose.

Just my thoughts.

Selene

[chelmostef]

We should put our heads together and figure out a way to avoid these kinds of tar-baby traps so we are not collectively victimized by them any more. THAT would be a productive use of our time and the phenomenal energy here.

Exactly, we pull Avalon to bits while they watch laughing at us fight.

[Hawkwind]

Ok before anyone gets more upset about this...

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg242/kazandrew/BundleofRoses.jpg

[Celine]

Dear Celine,

I have never written on any thread of yours or replied to any comment. That is because your way of writing to any one who knows anything about psychology is dangerous. I am known for being direct and some people find that rude. When I lived in Beverly Hills I was known as the token authentic woman and you don't ask Jai unless you really want an answer. Putting this thread up the way you have is asking for what I am going to tell you. You are correct I am seeking truth and wanting people to be upfront

You never say what you mean or mean what you say. It is all so ethereal that I have no idea what you are talking about most of the time. I soon decided after coming here to stay away from your threads. I know how much PMing you do, and chatting, and phone calling. You are everywhere. Enough so that I run into you in-spite of not wanting to get involved in this in any way. That is unfortunate that you feel that way... Though i do agree with much of your assesements, i dissagree, i do mean EVERYTHING i say....perhaps the fact that i couldnt say everything, led me to be less clear..i am sorry for this

I consider it a big deal to accuse anyone publicly or privately of not having integrity. I think it is a form of slander to say someone broke their word to you and then not say exactly the why and how. In Bill Ryan's case--this man is an international reporter with a body of work and a lifetime of acquiring skills. You are threatening all that. You are saying he has major biases we are not aware of. You are saying he does not have a core of integrity we can trust and that he is two faced. These are serious accusations with no evidence to back them up other than you are a person of love. These are the most serious, i agree. My evidence is locked up with my word all i can offer is my heartThough

Well let me tell you something, a person of love does not do what you are doing. I can only judge you by your actions. Your actions are emotionally based. You require and solicit a lot of stroking. That is very up front and anyone with an kind of awareness knows that about you. I don't have a problem with it. People choose or not to participate in that. I am a person of the heart...i am NOT all love..and never claimed to be.

It is a problem when it gets out of hand, when the need for being psychologically petted requires that every one else be diminished. I am also an old lady with a body of work and I value my integrity. I have not spoken to either you or Richard in any way. As a mod, he tells me he is in danger of "snapping."

You tell me he works 40 hours a week on this site out of the goodness of his heart. Altruism is done because it feels good. Both of you have huge identity issues with this site. I do not experience the people here as needing the amount of "modification" that goes on here. It is because someone is awaysl stirring up that pot that it requires all this seasoning and putting the lid on and off. Everybody needs to just stop playing these games. It is no different than who are the powers that be in Avalon? Bill hired Richard BECAUSE OF HIS MODDING SKILLS... Bill required a more heavy hand becuase HE wanted less LOVE AND LIGHT people on the forum

I have news for you and people who think like you. There are no powers that be at Avalon and there will never be. That is because as I understand Bill, he held out to the Universe that he was willing to serve a need. He does that by listening and letting things unfold. This is a time of confusion and chaos. Focus cannot be forced nor can conclusions. We need time to learn how to do this. Time to learn who each other is. Time to become grounded in a higher power. This is what I experience Bill holding out. This is what I experience Bill attracting. The minute that stops--Avalon will again stop. We are all part of the process--even Bill. Even me?

You are the most prolific poster here. I find most of it to be nonsense. It serves your needs and not the needs of the site. I say this knowing full well the flack I am going to get over this. What is the Divine Feminine--she serves the needs of the planet. She weaves webs of support and love and understanding. It is not me and my husband against the world. It is not my way or the highway. I post alot...i talk alot...yes we all have bad habits...Sorry mine are so offensive to your intellect

It is explaining why something is working or not working. It is taking a solid position so no one can have any doubt of what is going on. Your behavior has led me to distrust some of the people I most found an affinity for from the beginning. I will have to work all this out with time.

I am telling you that you need to rethink your behavior, your accusations, your positions, and your presentations. Absolutly , that is what i am doing here...trying to re asses things... in an odd way you are helping

In case you have never heard this before, from Ralph Waldo Emerson, what you are speaks so loud, I cannot hear what you say.

I speak for wanting this site to succeed and to do that it needs wisdom, compassion, and time. Are you committed to that? My commitements are self evident to anyone reading my posts...so i guess it is understandable you know little about me

I have written this as my answering a call of the universe as I understand it. It is my intention that it bring more healing than dissension. I am a nurse by profession--there are wounds that need to be cut and drained and cleaned in order for healing to take place. I see this as one of them. My mother was anurse...my father hospital admin... I sense your desire to help...but i must say..the sting in your words was a little difficult to ignore, though it did not distract me from learning

My deepest sympathy and empathy to all of us experiencing this..... Yes to us all

Jai


A very helpfull post...i am sure all the residents in BH appreciated you very much...

[Gone002]

For **** sake sort this out in private, this thread was fine until the **** hit the fan with personal threats and underhanded talk.

[Lord Sidious]

Ok, I have no idea what is going on here and I am not sure that I want to know.
I would like to know if I can help heal this so that a) we don't bleed more members and b) everyone feels that they can let go of it.

You know, every day I appreciate you a little bit more Sidious, well said m'dear.

Mouse x

I don't know what this is about, but it disturbs the hell out of me.
We already bled a stack of members, some before I got here and a lot after that.
We can't afford this to go on.
I just wanna figure out how we are going to sort this out without pistols at 25 metres or something similar.




Ok, I have no idea what is going on here and I am not sure that I want to know.
I would like to know if I can help heal this so that a) we don't bleed more members and b) everyone feels that they can let go of it.

Thank you LS...


Your words stem the blood flow... thank you..

To let go... not that i have an issue with...

I dont expect the man ever loved me the way i love him... But the betrayal is where my heart is blocked..(i know i am not the only one to feel this way)

In the end i probably have to accept that it was all a lie.

i was wrong....and i can admit that...and i can learn from that.

I have learned more...watching all of you... then i have in a long long time.


i am humbled...to be part of this group.


(i know i am not the only one to feel this way)

The thing is Celine, remember I don't know the deal here, it isn't easy trying to be all things to all people.
And then you get the factor that people say and do things before they think through the consequences, been there done that and have the scars to show.
Lie is a strong word and a very final one too.

Perhaps the solution is as many people send positive energy to all the parties that are aggrieved right now?
Just like a lot did for me and others. It worked for me and it should work for you guys and girls too.
Because if you go on like this, you will throw your towel in and then we all lose.
No thanks.



Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

The lack of transparency is a tremendous problem. It is the cancer killing our world.

One of my goals as a human being is to be an integral person. As such, the way I act on the forum and in private are one in the same. I would encourage everyone to strive to become integral. It is very liberating. If there are things inside you that you must hide in public, ask yourself why. There is a real educational opportunity in front of you when you do that.

I agree. I too am no different off the net than on.
It is much easier to just be.



Lee did you watch as Avalon 1 was pulled down around us? This is stinks of the same dirty hand at work.... Your negativity is feeding this monster, stop it.

With respect, I've never interacted with you, you don't know me. Anyone that does will confirm I only seek the truth. If this place crumbles, there is one person responsible for his HUGE error of judgement, and that I am sad to say, is Bill.

That isn't very helpful, is it?
How about this then, instead of throwing more wood onto the fire and predicting the house burning down, how about you tell us what it would take for you to feel ok about this matter and move on?




Lee did you watch as Avalon 1 was pulled down around us? This is stinks of the same dirty hand at work.... Your negativity is feeding this monster, stop it.

With respect, I've never interacted with you, you don't know me. Anyone that does will confirm I only seek the truth. If this place crumbles, there is one person responsible for his HUGE error of judgement, and that I am sad to say, is Bill.

As pissed off as i am with you Lee-B.... i have to agree

Same for you too, what would it take for you to feel ok about this and move on?

[irish accent]Now quit this belly achin the lot of ya, before I am forced to shove organic carrots up your noses, ya hear?[/irish accent]

[Lifesong]

It takes quite an ego to publicly present on an internet forum a psuedo-psychoanalysis of a person you've never met.

No authentic person I can think of would stand up and claim to be the only authentic person in town.

Fail.

Just my considered opinion.

[johnf]

<------- Envisions a giant calming hand hovering over our Island in the mists.
Giant currents of calming energy flowing out and down.
They permeate the minds ,bodies and hearts, of all in Avalon, and their minds turn effortlessly back to their original
purpose for coming here. And they all go back to their own concerns.

I got a bit alarmed by the kerfuffles going on in chat last night and to an extent this thread, but I don't really need to know what it is about.
None O my Bidness, there are too many other cool meetings of minds and hearts going on in here, it is my dooty to focus back on those.

[Fred Steeves]

alll here cuz of bill?

Hmm..

Bill does not act the same on forum as he does in private.... Just like most of us.

which is something people should be aware of, especially if they are not keen on people who flatter to deceive, and are somewhat duplicitous, whether they are aware of it or not.

yes you were very different lee-b when you came to me with info you got from another member...and juts had to tell me...you were so concerned...remember?

I immedietly sent you to speak to richard becuase i sensed bs

now you're getting a little too provocative for my tastes. I am no different, what you see is what you get. I'm not bi-polar.
Yes, i came to you because i thought i could trust you, based on other peoples interactions with you. I'm not going to go into private conversations on here. It is worth noting how i ceased all communication with yourself and richard on that matter when *i* sensed bs.

And just for the record, things have moved on since then. I have been nothing but honest and transparent. I felt extremely guilty for confiding in you, knowing it was a huge error of judgement.
So much so, that i told the ex moderator concerned, exactly what i had divulged to yourself and richard.

He was fine with that, and appreciated my honesty. And knowing full well that i put the cat amongst the pigeons.

your lucky your on the other side of the atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person i would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hawkwind]

Your lucky your on the other side of the Atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person I would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen

Umm, just wondering- what would your reaction as a moderator be to anyone else on this forum who posted something like this?

[Celine]

The "game" in the alternative media industry is to create as much contraversy as you can...and make stars out of the "jouranlists" rather then making Truth the star.

everyone in the alternative media industry is hungry for their Holy grail..........

Sound familiar??

¤=[Post Update]=¤

i have admited to my sins...

do you think...some..reading this thread will to?

But Celine if the game in alternative media is to create controversy (translated into web traffic) then - how do we avoid playing into that while at the same time honorably addressing any issues that have arisen? I wonder if this - yet another thread heating people up, dividing people up into groups "for and against" issues/people, is the way to go? Isn't this playing into the dialectic that is always used to smash and destroy human networks? Again, I respectfully suggest that nothing positive will be gained by people expounding on this thread........ONLY NEGATIVE WILL COME OF IT. We should put our heads together and figure out a way to avoid these kinds of tar-baby traps so we are not collectively victimized by them any more. THAT would be a productive use of our time and the phenomenal energy here.

You are correct... but i felt i had no choice...

i sit watching my friends... the mods..be treated with such utter disrespect... my jaw hits the table a half dozen times a day.

All i had left was to push it out in the light

EGO HATES TO BE IN THE LIGHT


shine on avalon...

[Icecold]

Like you have your voice (and followers) here. GW will find her voice elsewhere.

To anyone not privy to the PM received by the 14 on here (and others by email, actually)
Ask yourself this. Why would Bill have GW's back?
I mean, when it comes down to it, you're all here because of Bill right, not the moderating team and their spouses.
That's my final word on this, I'm not going to get into a slanging match with "interested" parties.
End of.

Oh you already have got into a slanging match....which makes your statement a joke.

If I were you pal, I'd sit back and STFU.

[SKAWF]

celine i apologise if this isnt strictly on topic, but i reckon we are actually being manipulated.
no one has the right to make you engage with them on their level.

an analogy.

you're sat on you sofa feeling good, and someone says something horrible.
what do you do?

what if the sole aim was to make you feel bad.
if you break from your own posture, and lower yourself to engage with it, you lose.
ultimately the nasty person doesnt win, but you still lose.
its about breaking someones will, on a minor level. by means of distraction.
when you are focused on something of your own aims, you are powerful.
and when you put one foot in front of the other, you move foward towards completion.

if you can be distracted from your point of focus
and you can be removed from your position of power,
and more importantly,led away from the path you were originally on.........
thats how we've ALL been f*cked over, right from day 1.
once you know how the trick works, you wont be fooled by it again.

this is why i apologised earlier.....

If

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

probably the only piece of poetry that moves me.
steve

[Celine]

Your lucky your on the other side of the Atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person I would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen

Umm, just wondering- what would your reaction as a moderator be to anyone else on this forum who posted something like this?

He has been prevented to act like a husband for quite some time here...
a

and he has spenmt the last two days watching his wife get treated with disrespect...

let alone what he has watched happen to his friends...

[GoldenYears]

Your lucky your on the other side of the Atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person I would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen

Umm, just wondering- what would your reaction as a moderator be to anyone else on this forum who posted something like this?

I say we let Richard slide with this one...the guy insulted his wife....

[greybeard]

88 members 48 guests watching this thread.
well 87 Im off for a while.
It might be a good idea if we all turned on the TV for once.
ch

[meeradas]

i can't take this here.
This feels heavier & more negative than the last two weeks in my 'professional' life (and these were filled to the brim with darkness that i had to deal with, on my own, unbacked).
Am taking at least a week off of Avalon - and when i return, i will not stumble into sth like this here, anymore. This has lost all 'recreative' aspects it had for me.
Thanks for the lesson, folks.
Peace

[chelmostef]

You know what we need to fix this and the only way is to not fight each other... WE are being played, The whole point is to take us down... And the bit they laugh at most is we do it.

[Celine]

And Lee-B was playing us... so its kinda hard to hold back when he sits here actiing all righteous.

[yiolas]

All I can add is that the world is going to hell in hand basket as we speak !
I think we all have better things to do. Life is going to get a lot harder than this he said she stuff. Cut it out and lets get back to work !

[chelmostef]

We need to keep in mind the target is avalon with us pulling it down. We need to sit back calm ourselves. And think logically how we can fix this... Fighting only takes us closer to the end game.

[Hawkwind]

Umm, just wondering- what would your reaction as a moderator be to anyone else on this forum who posted something like this?

He has been prevented to act like a husband for quite some time here...
a

and he has spenmt the last two days watching his wife get treated with disrespect...

let alone what he has watched happen to his friends...[/QUOTE]

I understand and very much appreciate how devoted you and Richard obviously are to each other, but my first allegiance is to the health of this community. Mods- request this thread be closed. Everyone- request a deep breath and time to center.

[Lord Sidious]

Absolutely 1000% shameless theft of anothers post.


The Installation of Love!
Installing Love on the Human Computer…

Tech Support: Yes, how can I help you?

Customer: Well, after much consideration, I’ve decided to install Love. Can you guide me through the process?

Tech Support: Yes. I can help you. Are you ready to proceed?

Customer: Well, I’m not very technical, but I think I’m ready. What do I do first?

Tech Support: The first step is to open your Heart. Have you located your Heart?

Customer: Yes, but there are several other programs running now. Is it okay to install Love while they are running?

Tech Support: What programs are running ?

Customer: Let’s see, I have Past Hurt, Low Self-Esteem, Grudge and Resentment running right now.

Tech Support: No problem, Love will gradually erase Past Hurt from your current operating system. It may remain in your permanent memory but it will no longer disrupt other programs. Love will eventually override Low Self-Esteem with a module of its own called High Self-Esteem. However,you have to completely turn off Grudge and Resentment. Those programs prevent Love from being properly installed. Can you turn those off ?

Customer: I don’t know how to turn them off. Can you tell me how?

Tech Support: With pleasure. Go to your start menu and invoke Forgiveness. Do this as many times as necessary until Grudge and Resentment have been completely erased.

Customer: Okay, done! Love has started installing itself. Is that normal?

Tech Support: Yes, but remember that you have only the base program. You need to begin connecting to other Hearts in order to get the upgrades.

Customer: Oops! I have an error message already. It says, “Error - Program not run on external components.” What should I do?

Tech Support: Don’t worry. It means that the Love program is set up to run on Internal Hearts, but has not yet been run on your Heart. In non-technical terms, it simply means you have to Love yourself before you can Love others.

Customer: So, what should I do?

Tech Support: Pull down Self-Acceptance; then click on the following files: Forgive-Self; Realize Your Worth; and Acknowledge your Limitations.

Customer: Okay, done.

Tech Support: Now, copy them to the “My Heart” directory. The system will overwrite any conflicting files and begin patching faulty programming.
Also, you need to delete Verbose Self-Criticism from all directories and empty your Recycle Bin to make sure it is completely gone and never comes back.

Customer: Got it. Hey! My heart is filling up with new files.Smile is playing on my monitor and Peace and Contentment are copying themselves all over My Heart. Is this normal?

Tech Support: Sometimes. For others it takes awhile, but eventually everything gets it at the proper time. So Love is installed and running.
One more thing before we hang up. Love is Freeware. Be sure to give it and its various modules to everyone you meet. They will in turn share it with others and return some cool modules back to you.

Customer: Thank you, God.

God/Tech Support: You’re Welcome, Anytime.

- Anon

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15407-Installing-Love&p=161014&viewfull=1#post161014

Sounds good to me.

[Whitehaze]

Now that everyone has vented their frustrations and everyone knows how each other feels, how would a true Avalonian deal with it all?

Do you burn the bridges?
Will you stay divided?
Will you allow your power to be stolen from yourselves?
Can you find the strength and courage to get past this?
We can talk the talk, but can we walk it?

If you believe in something, then you should live it like you mean it. I dare you to.

[Mike]

Alll here cuz of Bill?

Hmm..

Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

Which is something people should be aware of, especially if they are not keen on people who flatter to deceive, and are somewhat duplicitous, whether they are aware of it or not.

Yes you were very different Lee-B when you came to me with info you got from another member...and juts HAD to tell me...you were so concerned...remember?

I immedietly sent you to speak to richard becuase i sensed BS

Now you're getting a little too provocative for my tastes. I am no different, what you see is what you get. I'm not bi-polar.
Yes, I came to you because I thought I could trust you, based on other peoples interactions with you. I'm not going to go into PRIVATE conversations on here. It is worth noting how I ceased all communication with yourself and Richard on that matter when *I* sensed BS.

And just for the record, things have moved on since then. I have been nothing but honest and transparent. I felt extremely guilty for confiding in you, knowing it was a huge error of judgement.
So much so, that I told the EX MODERATOR concerned, exactly what I had divulged to yourself and Richard.

He was fine with that, and appreciated my honesty. And knowing full well that I put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Your lucky your on the other side of the Atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person I would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen

i'm pretty sure there are rules against this somewhere on this forum...wait...i'm looking...bear with me....ok, i found it! here it is: "no Avalonian shall rip the head off another Avalonian and sh#t down their neck. it is not consistent with the spirit of Avalon..." and on and on it goes. you get the point.

but i don't see anything against ripping arms off and pi##ing into the shoulder holes though..oh wait..no..i take it back....i found something...here it is: "no Avalonian shall rip the shoulder off another Avalonian and..." and on and on it goes.

sorry Richard. you're going to have to take the sane approach here.

[silentghost80]

I understand and very much appreciate how devoted you and Richard obviously are to each other, but my first allegiance is to the health of this community. Mods- request this thread be closed. Everyone- request a deep breath and time to center.

I request this thread stays open

[chelmostef]

People are intwined and played even without their knowledge... These people are magicians and get others to do their work for them and the target is always Avalon.

[buckminster fuller]

How in hell do you people accept to waste time and energy in this thread.. (I just did, see it as me being concerned by the lack of focus on important matters, and fed up to see how trivial discussions are getting in avalon those days). Detachment is needed here. And no, I see no reason for a mod to express himself like this over the forum. Flaming can take many forms, and sweet talk is the worst really.

[Luke]

And all I hear is some buggers there giggling as we torch ourselves.

Nice clean and efficient.

It is easy to "dispose" a man of integrity. (or how it went?)

Mission Accomplished ?

Everybody, look what the hell are you doing.

[Icecold]

I receive the email from GW. Just another drop of her poison.



I'd like to say to two members here. Lee-B and Cottage Rose, how dare you accuse me of something that you had no clue regarding. Both of you ought to look long and hard at your crediibility.

Let me say you have both lost any respect to which you were entitled. I did not appreciate having to justify a perfectly harmless statement to the public eye. I thank you two for that.

As far as GW is concerned, she is a repeat offender, someone who is self obsessed and violently destructive. Regardless of her mesmerising effect on some members. That is a sad fact.

Its bloody sad.

Her email had no affect whatsoever on my thinking, GW wasted an email.

I support Richard, Celine and the team here as a first priority. They work their butts off for all of you.

I have no opinion on whether Bill is a betrayer or not. Have no idea regarding backroom politics at that level.

For me its the KISS principle.

[Ahkenaten]

Celine can we please close this thread>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it is very destructive and is taking us all to the usual collective nowhere very fast - again!!! I say please everyone stop it!!

[Celine]

how does closing he thread support transperency?

i am all for no fighting...

but i want progress

[HURRITT ENYETO]

We need to keep in mind the target is avalon with us pulling it down. We need to sit back calm ourselves. And think logically how we can fix this... Fighting only takes us closer to the end game.

I think this is fitting
And i am not belittling this situation one bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LanCLS_hIo4

[silentghost80]

Celine can we please close this thread>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it is very destructive and is taking us all to the usual collective nowhere very fast - again!!! I say please everyone stop it!!

keep it open

[Luke]

I would gladly close it, but at this point it is pointless.

Unless we come to our collective senses. Together.

And no, not Worm Tongue.

More like Denethor's "funeral Pyre"/

[Ahkenaten]

how does closing he thread support transperency?

i am all for no fighting...

but i want progress

But is this how you measure progress, playing into their hands? Something is not right about that. Sincerely, Ahk

[buckminster fuller]

how does closing he thread support transperency?

i am all for no fighting...

but i want progress

There is no transparency in the first place. What kind of progress do you envision here..?

[Celine]

To remouve the veil of secrecy...

To discuss true motivations and directions..

To stop the "worm tongues" that are poisoning Bills ear... Richards ear... and the Mods ears...

i admited my sin...

that is the first step

[chelmostef]

Im glad your here Luke I have to go to bed... Night everyone, I hope we can work though this.

Calm peacefull love to Avalon :luv:

We are strong together.

[K626]

To remouve the veil of secrecy...

To discuss true motivations and directions..

To stop the "worm tongues" that are poisoning Bills ear... Richards ear... and the Mods ears...

i admited my sin...

that is the first step

Always good in my book.

K

[Ahkenaten]

I would gladly close it, but at this point it is pointless.

Unless we come to our collective senses. Together.

And no, not Worm Tongue.

More like Denethor's "funeral Pyre"/

Luke if you are looking for consensus i.e. PA Forum members coming to their collective senses, that will never happen..........BECAUSE A DIALECTIC HAS BEEN CREATED AND IS BEING DEPLOYED AGAINST US. PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD! Sorry If I seem like I am yelling. If this thread is not closed, considering the basis on which other destructive threads have IMO reasonably been closed, I must presume that this controversy is being deliberately, with orders, allowed to play out.......................and that for me raises serious questions as to Why anyone would want that to occur (stress test?) And Who is in charge here.

[Jake]

Celine said, "i admited my sin...that is the first step "


BRAVO... And the 'key' perhaps. Keep it together folks, this is just beginning...

[Dennis Jonathan]

Simple solution:

The Make three lines final solution -

Step 1. Form line 1 - all of the people that have ever offended anyone on this forum.

Step 2. Form line 2 - the accusers.

Step 3. Form line 3 - those who are both accusing and who stand accused.

Step 4. Set a stake in the ground, pile sticks at the center, and burn lines 1 & 3 at the stake.

Step 5. Line 2 can then proceed to the promised land, until another offense occurs.

Then go return to step 1, rinse and repeat.

What's that you say? Too harsh? Then why are we engaging in the verbal equivalent on this forum?

Enough witch hunts. Enough spitting venom. Enough of the childish antics. Grow up...everyone.

I am severely disappointed. Signing off for at least 24 hours, this is just too much for me right now.

I'm embarrassed for some of you...

You will all be in my thoughts and prayers tonight.

With Love

Dennis.

[buckminster fuller]

To remouve the veil of secrecy...

I thought it was about private messages and private emails?


To discuss true motivations and directions..

Might not be the place


To stop the "worm tongues" that are poisoning Bills ear... Richards ear... and the Mods ears...

They might be grown up enough to handle those matters themselves.


i admited my sin...

that is the first step

Too much drama really.

[Noble Hops]

I can imagine a big table with every one sitting and talking..

And no one calls anyone a whore...

A man does not talk about another mans woman with disrespect...

Just in case this is in reference to the word I used in my post, that was not directed at you, personally. I was actually thinking about someone elses thread at the time, and noticed you were an involved party. Don't know the details, don't want to-- just had that one question.

[Rocky_Shorz]

tossed a gas can into the thread and lights a match...

now will you create a parking lot to toss the rabid dogs in to fight and leave the rest of us alone?

[Hawkwind]

I would gladly close it, but at this point it is pointless.

Unless we come to our collective senses. Together.

And no, not Worm Tongue.

More like Denethor's "funeral Pyre"/

Giving people time to regain their collective senses was the point of suggesting the thread be closed. I guess the best I can do is just withdraw my own energy. Celine and Richard I love you both and I hope you both find the strength to heal the hurts that found you. Be well. I'm off to tend my garden.

[Lord Sidious]

Well, well, you didn't listen to Uncle Sidious.
Very naughty.
You hear that funny buzzing noise?
Listen....................................

















































































That is me sharpening up the organic carrots I warned you I would shove up your nostrils.
And I have enough for all of ya, look

http://eorganic.info/sites/eorganic.info/files/u69/carrots_cart.jpg

[Lee-B]

Alll here cuz of Bill?

Hmm..

Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

Which is something people should be aware of, especially if they are not keen on people who flatter to deceive, and are somewhat duplicitous, whether they are aware of it or not.

Yes you were very different Lee-B when you came to me with info you got from another member...and juts HAD to tell me...you were so concerned...remember?

I immedietly sent you to speak to richard becuase i sensed BS

Now you're getting a little too provocative for my tastes. I am no different, what you see is what you get. I'm not bi-polar.
Yes, I came to you because I thought I could trust you, based on other peoples interactions with you. I'm not going to go into PRIVATE conversations on here. It is worth noting how I ceased all communication with yourself and Richard on that matter when *I* sensed BS.

And just for the record, things have moved on since then. I have been nothing but honest and transparent. I felt extremely guilty for confiding in you, knowing it was a huge error of judgement.
So much so, that I told the EX MODERATOR concerned, exactly what I had divulged to yourself and Richard.

He was fine with that, and appreciated my honesty. And knowing full well that I put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Your lucky your on the other side of the Atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person I would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen

hahaha, thanks so much for that Richard. Give someone enough rope etc. How lovely of you to reveal your true self. For everyone to see. I have no other comment to make on your idle threat, little man.

[Celine]

http://fohn.net/rabbit-pictures-facts/images/white-rabbit-800x600.jpg


Sorry this rabbit doesnt fear the dark...Lord or Lady....

[Whitehaze]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LdHO3CjRqk

[Lord Sidious]

Alll here cuz of Bill?

Hmm..

Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

Which is something people should be aware of, especially if they are not keen on people who flatter to deceive, and are somewhat duplicitous, whether they are aware of it or not.

Yes you were very different Lee-B when you came to me with info you got from another member...and juts HAD to tell me...you were so concerned...remember?

I immedietly sent you to speak to richard becuase i sensed BS

Now you're getting a little too provocative for my tastes. I am no different, what you see is what you get. I'm not bi-polar.
Yes, I came to you because I thought I could trust you, based on other peoples interactions with you. I'm not going to go into PRIVATE conversations on here. It is worth noting how I ceased all communication with yourself and Richard on that matter when *I* sensed BS.

And just for the record, things have moved on since then. I have been nothing but honest and transparent. I felt extremely guilty for confiding in you, knowing it was a huge error of judgement.
So much so, that I told the EX MODERATOR concerned, exactly what I had divulged to yourself and Richard.

He was fine with that, and appreciated my honesty. And knowing full well that I put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Your lucky your on the other side of the Atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person I would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen

hahaha, thanks so much for that Richard. Give someone enough rope etc. How lovely of you to reveal your true self. For everyone to see. I have no other comment to make on your idle threat, little man.

Not taking sides here, but I do believe you said you were through with this thread like 3,402 pages ago?
Oh and making fun of Richard for revealing his true self only works if you don't then go on and do the same.
You might wanna remember that one for later.

[Brodie75]

I thought this forum and Avalon were created to dispel secrecy and lift the veil so to speak.
It seems to me that the lack of transperancey here is what's causing all the problems

If there are things, important things being kept from the majorety then these
problems will continue IMO

I wish you all Love and Peace

[Lee-B]

Your lucky your on the other side of the Atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person I would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen

Umm, just wondering- what would your reaction as a moderator be to anyone else on this forum who posted something like this?

I say we let Richard slide with this one...the guy insulted his wife....

Where did I do that exactly? Quote please, or it didn't happen.

[Celine]

And yes..his true self... standing up for his wife... damn thats so evil of you rich


we have never really acted like a couple here on the forum because of bills fear of people seeing it as favoritism...which ppl do anyways..

If you all knew richard at all youd know that he is a very just person

[Chicodoodoo]

Yesterday, I was glad to see the disturbing posts deleted, but now I wonder if that was a good idea. I felt like Gypsy really showed her true colors.

Censorship is almost always a bad idea. This is supposedly an open forum among responsible adults. Our words paint a picture of who we are. If a person represents themselves honestly and it is ugly, so be it. Let all see it -- it is reality. If a person presents himself deceptively and others suspect it is dishonest, so be it. Let all see it and question it if necessary.

When you wish to deal with truth, there can be no censorship.

[Icecold]

This debate or revelation is not the death of anything. If you think that the community has no value you are sadly mistaken. Every single one of you makes the forum the very special resource that it is. Nothing will change that unless YOU let it.

It is you the members who are the forum, not Bill or anyone else. ITS YOU. GET IT.

You make or break the forum, no one else to blame but yourselves if you let circumstances dictate terms to you. If you see something as good and valuable you fight for it.

There are forces at work that would love to convince YOU to destroy YOUR forum. Don't do the dirty work of scum bags. Support each other to support the whole. Protect the forum like you would protect your own child.

This place is as fragile or resilient as YOU make it. Its really up to you all.

[Lee-B]

Alll here cuz of Bill?

Hmm..

Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

Which is something people should be aware of, especially if they are not keen on people who flatter to deceive, and are somewhat duplicitous, whether they are aware of it or not.

Yes you were very different Lee-B when you came to me with info you got from another member...and juts HAD to tell me...you were so concerned...remember?

I immedietly sent you to speak to richard becuase i sensed BS

Now you're getting a little too provocative for my tastes. I am no different, what you see is what you get. I'm not bi-polar.
Yes, I came to you because I thought I could trust you, based on other peoples interactions with you. I'm not going to go into PRIVATE conversations on here. It is worth noting how I ceased all communication with yourself and Richard on that matter when *I* sensed BS.

And just for the record, things have moved on since then. I have been nothing but honest and transparent. I felt extremely guilty for confiding in you, knowing it was a huge error of judgement.
So much so, that I told the EX MODERATOR concerned, exactly what I had divulged to yourself and Richard.

He was fine with that, and appreciated my honesty. And knowing full well that I put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Your lucky your on the other side of the Atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person I would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen

hahaha, thanks so much for that Richard. Give someone enough rope etc. How lovely of you to reveal your true self. For everyone to see. I have no other comment to make on your idle threat, little man.

Not taking sides here, but I do believe you said you were through with this thread like 3,402 pages ago?
Oh and making fun of Richard for revealing his true self only works if you don't then go on and do the same.
You might wanna remember that one for later.

I did not forsee the attack which would be forthcoming, so therefore I am entitled to respond to attacks, as anyone would. Unless they're a little bit simple, and willing to be walked over. If anyone spoke to you like that, I'd guess you'd just ignore it? I'm guessing not.

[chelmostef]

So lee is your intention to goad people into a response... It sure seems like it. What are your motivation Lee?

I have been pulled into your game now. Stop it.

[Celine]

Your lucky your on the other side of the Atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person I would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen

Umm, just wondering- what would your reaction as a moderator be to anyone else on this forum who posted something like this?

I say we let Richard slide with this one...the guy insulted his wife....

Where did I do that exactly? Quote please, or it didn't happen.

You played us... you tried to manipulate peopl with information...

and if i read back..i could probably find what set richard off...

but it might be healthier if you do it...

[Lee-B]

And yes..his true self... standing up for his wife... damn thats so evil of you rich


we have never really acted like a couple here on the forum because of bills fear of people seeing it as favoritism...which ppl do anyways..

If you all knew richard at all youd know that he is a very just person

WHERE DID I ATTACK YOU CELINE?
A bit late for damage limitation on behalf of your husband, showing his true colours, and why he is not fit to lick the **** off my boots, let alone moderate other peoples comments.

¤=[Post Update]=¤






Your lucky your on the other side of the Atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person I would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen

Umm, just wondering- what would your reaction as a moderator be to anyone else on this forum who posted something like this?

I say we let Richard slide with this one...the guy insulted his wife....

Where did I do that exactly? Quote please, or it didn't happen.

You played us... you tried to manipulate peopl with information...

and if i read back..i could probably find what set richard off...

but it might be healthier if you do it...

EPIC FAIL. Put up or Shut up.

[Celine]

"Now you're getting a little too provocative for my tastes. I am no different, what you see is what you get. I'm not bi-polar."

passive agressive insults...

[chelmostef]

This is not Avalon, anyone watching this, needs to realise that this is the result of a conceited effort to destroy Avalon... It a web that has been spun with one intention.

[Celine]

Your fake concern for avalon is over shadowed by your ego Lee

¤=[Post Update]=¤


This is not Avalon, anyone watching this, needs to realise that this is the result of a conceited effort to destroy Avalon... It a web that has been spun with one intention.

I AM TIRED OF THESE ATTACKS TOO ...dear chel....so very tired..and you are right...THIS IS NOT AVALON


But this is it folks...take a stand...

ENOUGH GAME PLAYING...

Smurfs... agent provocateurs... alphabet groups... MODS... Bill... Atticus... Members...
ASSEZ!!


If yyou ignore the battle it will still rage on

[Flash]

Alll here cuz of Bill?

Hmm..

Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

Which is something people should be aware of, especially if they are not keen on people who flatter to deceive, and are somewhat duplicitous, whether they are aware of it or not.

Yes you were very different Lee-B when you came to me with info you got from another member...and juts HAD to tell me...you were so concerned...remember?

I immedietly sent you to speak to richard becuase i sensed BS

Now you're getting a little too provocative for my tastes. I am no different, what you see is what you get. I'm not bi-polar.
Yes, I came to you because I thought I could trust you, based on other peoples interactions with you. I'm not going to go into PRIVATE conversations on here. It is worth noting how I ceased all communication with yourself and Richard on that matter when *I* sensed BS.

And just for the record, things have moved on since then. I have been nothing but honest and transparent. I felt extremely guilty for confiding in you, knowing it was a huge error of judgement.
So much so, that I told the EX MODERATOR concerned, exactly what I had divulged to yourself and Richard.

He was fine with that, and appreciated my honesty. And knowing full well that I put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Your lucky your on the other side of the Atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person I would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen

hahaha, thanks so much for that Richard. Give someone enough rope etc. How lovely of you to reveal your true self. For everyone to see. I have no other comment to make on your idle threat, little man.

1. I wish I had a men who could ardently defend me like this. To me it is a true man even if it is not the right place. This does not make anybody right thouth. Anyone at this point would be wrong to be right.
2. Lee B, please reread your biography, and live by it. Your comment to Richard is sincerely not up to it.

3. MOD PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD, YOU WOULD DO IT WITH ANYBODY ELSE. Give everyone time to breath.

4. I prefer TV as suggested by Greybeard, and soaps, at least we see those sending venoun to each other. Afternoon in Canada, time for soaps, it won't be muich different. See you later guys.

[chelmostef]

Look Lee you probably don't even realise you are a pawn in someone else's game. It this your intention to burn Avalon? Is that why you joined?

[Lifesong]

I suggest the mods, Admins and Bill discuss simply turning off the private messaging module.

Who needs it?

The only forum I've ever seen do quality work in a serious way without a lot of personal infighting was run on vbulletin with the PM's shut off. Didn't miss them.

I'm also getting back to work now.

My love to all - especially those with whom I disagree.

[chelmostef]

Im calling you out why did you join Avalon? Is this really what you are about??

[Luke]

From 3:34 if you do not have time for all it.

Please, consider it. all of you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCMe08LZ_Nc

[Belle]

This is not Avalon, anyone watching this, needs to realise that this is the result of a conceited effort to destroy Avalon... It a web that has been spun with one intention.

I respectfully disagree, chelmostef. Avalon is a family and families fight. It doesn't mean they don't love each other...each one just sees things from their own perspective. And, like a family, Avalon will get past this and will pull together...a little weary from the fight, but stronger for working through it.

[Lord Sidious]

Alll here cuz of Bill?

Hmm..

Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

Which is something people should be aware of, especially if they are not keen on people who flatter to deceive, and are somewhat duplicitous, whether they are aware of it or not.

Yes you were very different Lee-B when you came to me with info you got from another member...and juts HAD to tell me...you were so concerned...remember?

I immedietly sent you to speak to richard becuase i sensed BS

Now you're getting a little too provocative for my tastes. I am no different, what you see is what you get. I'm not bi-polar.
Yes, I came to you because I thought I could trust you, based on other peoples interactions with you. I'm not going to go into PRIVATE conversations on here. It is worth noting how I ceased all communication with yourself and Richard on that matter when *I* sensed BS.

And just for the record, things have moved on since then. I have been nothing but honest and transparent. I felt extremely guilty for confiding in you, knowing it was a huge error of judgement.
So much so, that I told the EX MODERATOR concerned, exactly what I had divulged to yourself and Richard.

He was fine with that, and appreciated my honesty. And knowing full well that I put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Your lucky your on the other side of the Atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person I would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen

hahaha, thanks so much for that Richard. Give someone enough rope etc. How lovely of you to reveal your true self. For everyone to see. I have no other comment to make on your idle threat, little man.

Not taking sides here, but I do believe you said you were through with this thread like 3,402 pages ago?
Oh and making fun of Richard for revealing his true self only works if you don't then go on and do the same.
You might wanna remember that one for later.

I did not forsee the attack which would be forthcoming, so therefore I am entitled to respond to attacks, as anyone would. Unless they're a little bit simple, and willing to be walked over. If anyone spoke to you like that, I'd guess you'd just ignore it? I'm guessing not.

To be fair, you have stirred the pot a fair bit before you stated you were done with the thread, so your claim, which at first glance appears fair, is in fact, not so.
And I would not have come in telling people that I had the back of someone that was recently hellbanned for stirring up the exact people you are now stirring up.
If I did say I was going to leave the thread and not come back, I would not.
I would have to accept that I had spoken too soon, but I had spoken and in real life, my word binds my behaviour.



WHERE DID I ATTACK YOU CELINE?
A bit late for damage limitation on behalf of your husband, showing his true colours, and why he is not fit to lick the **** off my boots, let alone moderate other peoples comments.[COLOR="red"]

EPIC FAIL. Put up or Shut up.

Speaking of EPIC FAIL, you just did that.
Whatever legitimacy you had, you just flushed it down the toilet.
You sir are indeed, as Richard said, a coward of the highest order.
You know how I know?
You talk crap about someone thousands of kilometres from where you are over the internet.
I would bet that you wouldn't even consider repeating this to Richards face like a man.
Thanks for playing, you are the weakest link, goodbye.



I suggest the mods, Admins and Bill discuss simply turning off the private messaging module.

Who needs it?

The only forum I've ever seen do quality work in a serious way without a lot of personal infighting was run on vbulletin with the PM's shut off. Didn't miss them.

I'm also getting back to work now.

My love to all - especially those with whom I disagree.

Right, so lets punish everyone for the mistakes of a few?
I would protest strongly, I use it a lot every day to communicate with people on this forum, please do not take that away from me.

[Richard]

Your lucky your on the other side of the Atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person I would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen

Umm, just wondering- what would your reaction as a moderator be to anyone else on this forum who posted something like this?

That is not a moderate reaction, does it seem so to you? It is a reaction of a MAN defending the honour of his wife with being held back by protocol and duty.

So ya, mod hat OFF, anyone else want to say something brilliant?

[buckminster fuller]

To whom feels he should be committed to something more important than this trivial, childish thread :

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15249-United-People-an-Alternative-World-Order

[Richard]

PS Lee, i didnt add a message to your ban, here it is. **** Off

[Northern Boy]

Worm tongue
inspired by the character from lord of the rings: a person you work with who quietly try's to stab you in the back and discredit you, while trying to make himself look important and productive. usually a person with ZERO personality, and ZERO friends, and often sounds like a robot when he talks.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=worm%20tongue

Hmmmmmm, time to ponder

Yes its ugly...

Yes its dirty...

I am waiting for tru honorable people to join in the cleaninsing

Brought my broom when do we start

[K626]

For those who are unduly worried.

If you believe some words on a screen is enough to break Avalon...You are wrong. It won't. I can guarantee that. The important thing is that the key players find middle ground and sooner the better. And again they will.

Peace to all.

K

[Richard]

u sure about that?

[chelmostef]

Any one reading this need to realise this has happened before.. I watched it happen on AV1. I had the same comments as some of you.... This is a game with one goal in view and its Avalon..

This is not some once a month drama. This has not happened in AV2 history... Why is that?

Its a conceited effort. And it only works if we play the game and make it happen.

[Lord Sidious]

That is not a moderate reaction, does it seem so to you? It is a reaction of a MAN defending the honour of his wife with being held back by protocol and duty.

So ya, mod hat OFF, anyone else want to say something brilliant?

I do.
Being between a rock and a hard place sucks, but when honour is involved, there are not that many choices.
And having some nugget dishonour your wife, that isn't on.
If I were you, I would have already lost my admin role and been banned.
I won't be coming after you with any carrots, you are doing the honourable thing.

[Northern Boy]

Alll here cuz of Bill?

Hmm..

Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

Bingo the bell is ringing

[K626]

u sure about that?

Absolutely.

I know for sure you are big enough and strong enough.

cheers

K

[Whitehaze]

Ok ok ok.....can someone tell me what the heck a smurf is.....because I know it cant be those evil little blue thingys.....seriously.......what is a smurf? (incidentally i think it sucks there was only one smurfette, where was the balance)

[crosby]

u sure about that?

Richard, i think that everybody involved should come here, admit their sins regarding this issue, find the common denominator, and then work on trying to fix it. i think that is why Celine posted this thread. i'm sure that it will work out.
regards, corson

[Rocky_Shorz]

Your lucky your on the other side of the Atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person I would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen

Umm, just wondering- what would your reaction as a moderator be to anyone else on this forum who posted something like this?

That is not a moderate reaction, does it seem so to you? It is a reaction of a MAN defending the honour of his wife with being held back by protocol and duty.

So ya, mod hat OFF, anyone else want to say something brilliant?

How's the ice fishing?

[Ahkenaten]

OK, how about this. Anyone who is not a trouble-maker should leave this thread now, and if you have some perverse curiosity - go stealth if you must, knowing that the numbers under the thread provide the metrics of effectiveness to the trouble-makers. CUT OFF THE OXYGEN. If the Mods can't cut this off, then we must do it. It may feel like kicking crack or heroin, but it must be done. Goal: reduce people browsing this thread to ZERO within one half house. THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I can only presume those remaining are the bad guys. Simple litmus test. I am outta here.

Come on, we can do this. It is the only positive option left on the table. GO FOR IT! KICK THIS HABIT!!

[Richard]

How's the ice fishing?

Cold but bountiful

[Decibellistics]

Seers are divided into two categories. Those who are willing to exercise self-restraint and can channel their activities toward pragmatic goals, which would benefit other seers and man in general, and those who don't care about self-restraint or about any pragmatic goals. The latter have failed to resolve the problem of self-importance.
Self-importance is not something simple and naive. On the one hand, it is the core of everything that is good in us, and on the other hand, the core of everything that is rotten. To get rid of the self-importance that is rotten requires a masterpiece of strategy.
In order to follow the path of knowledge one has to be very imaginative. In the path of knowledge nothing is as clear as we'd like it to be. Warriors fight self-importance as a matter of strategy, not principle.
Impeccability is nothing else but the proper use of energy. My statements have no inkling of morality. I've saved energy and that makes me impeccable. To understand this, you have to save enough energy yourself.
Warriors take strategic inventories. They list everything they do. Then they decide which of those things can be changed in order to allow themselves a respite, in terms of expending their energy.
The strategic inventory covers only behavioral patterns that are not essential to our survival and well-being.
In the strategic inventories of warriors, self-importance figures as the activity that consumes the greatest amount of energy, hence, their effort to eradicate it.
One of the first concerns of warriors is to free that energy in order to face the unknown with it. The action of rechanneling that energy is impeccability.
The most effective strategy for rechanneling that energy consists of six elements that interplay with one another. Five of them are called the attributes of warriorship: control, discipline, forbearance, timing, and will . They pertain to the world of the warrior who is fighting to lose self-importance. The sixth element, which is perhaps the most important of all, pertains to the outside world and is called the petty tyrant.
A petty tyrant is a tormentor. Someone who either holds the power of life and death over warriors or simply annoys them to distraction.
Petty tyrants teach us detachment. The ingredients of the new seers' strategy shows how efficient and clever is the device of using a petty tyrant. The strategy not only gets rid of self-importance; it also prepares warriors for the final realization that impeccability is the only thing that counts in the path of knowledge.
Usually, only four attributes are played. The fifth, will , is always saved for an ultimate confrontation, when warriors are facing the firing squad, so to speak.
Will belongs to another sphere, the unknown. The other four belong to the known, exactly where the petty tyrants are lodged. In fact, what turns human beings into petty tyrants is precisely the obsessive manipulation of the known.
The interplay of all the five attributes of warriorship is done only by seers who are also impeccable warriors and have mastery over will . Such an interplay is a supreme maneuver that cannot be performed on the daily human stage.
Four attributes are all that is needed to deal with the worst of petty tyrants, provided, of course, that a petty tyrant has been found. The petty tyrant is the outside element, the one we cannot control and the element that is perhaps the most important of them all. The warrior who stumbles on a petty tyrant is a lucky one. You're fortunate if you come upon one in your path, because if you don't you have to go out and look for one.
If seers can hold their own in facing petty tyrants, they can certainly face the unknown with impunity, and then they can even stand the presence of the unknowable.
Nothing can temper the spirit of a warrior as much as the challenge of dealing with impossible people in positions of power. Only under those conditions can warriors acquire the sobriety and serenity to stand the pressure of the unknowable.
The perfect ingredient for the making of a superb seer is a petty tyrant with unlimited prerogatives. Seers have to go to extremes to find a worthy one. Most of the time they have to be satisfied with very small fry. Then warriors develop a strategy using the four attributes of warriorship: control, discipline, forbearance, and timing.
On the path of knowledge there are four steps. The first step is the decision to become apprentices. After the apprentices change their views about themselves and the world they take the second step and become warriors, which is to say, beings capable of the utmost discipline and control over themselves. The third step, after acquiring forbearance and timing, is to become men of knowledge. When men of knowledge learn to see they have taken the fourth step and have become seers.
Control and discipline refer to an inner state. A warrior is self-oriented, not in a selfish way but in the sense of a total examination of the self.
Forbearance and timing are not quite an inner state. They are in the domain of the man of knowledge.
The idea of using a petty tyrant is not only for perfecting the warrior's spirit, but also for enjoyment and happiness. Even the worst tyrants can bring delight, provided, of course, that one is a warrior.
The mistake average men make in confronting petty tyrants is not to have a strategy to fall back on; the fatal flaw is that average men take themselves too seriously; their actions and feelings, as well as those of the petty tyrants, are all-important. Warriors, on the other hand, not only have a well-thought-out strategy, but are free from self-importance. What restrains their self-importance is that they have understood that reality is an interpretation we make.
Petty tyrants take themselves with deadly seriousness while warriors do not. What usually exhausts us is the wear and tear on our self-importance. Any man who has an iota of pride is ripped apart by being made to feel worthless.
To tune the spirit when someone is trampling on you is called control. Instead of feeling sorry for himself a warrior immediately goes to work mapping the petty tyrant's strong points, his weaknesses, his quirks of behavior.
To gather all this information while they are beating you up is called discipline. A perfect petty tyrant has no redeeming feature.
Forbearance is to wait patiently--no rush, no anxiety--a simple, joyful holding back of what is due.
A warrior knows that he is waiting and what he is waiting for. Right there is the great joy of warriorship.
Timing is the quality that governs the release of all that is held back. Control, discipline, and forbearance are like a dam behind which everything is pooled. Timing is the gate in the dam.
Forbearance means holding back with the spirit something that the warrior knows is rightfully due. It doesn't mean that a warrior goes around plotting to do anybody mischief, or planning to settle past scores. Forbearance is something independent. As long as the warrior has control, discipline, and timing, forbearance assures giving whatever is due to whoever deserves it.
To be defeated by a small-fry petty tyrant is not deadly, but devastating. Warriors who succumb to a small-fry petty tyrant are obliterated by their own sense of failure and unworthiness.
Anyone who joins the petty tyrant is defeated. To act in anger, without control and discipline, to have no forbearance, is to be defeated.
After warriors are defeated they either regroup themselves or they abandon the quest for knowledge and join the ranks of the petty tyrants for life.




I thoroughly ask that each and every one of you read this segment from The Fire From Within by Good ol Little Carlos Castaneda

[buckminster fuller]

OK, how about this. Anyone who is not a trouble-maker should leave this thread now, and if you have some perverse curiosity - go stealth if you must, knowing that the numbers under the thread provide the metrics of effectiveness to the trouble-makers. CUT OFF THE OXYGEN. If the Mods can't cut this off, then we must do it. It may feel like kicking crack or heroin, but it must be done. Goal: reduce people browsing this thread to ZERO within one half house. THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I can only presume those remaining are the bad guys. Simple litmus test. I am outta here.

Come on, we can do this. It is the only positive option left on the table. GO FOR IT! KICK THIS HABIT!!

There was no actual substance for a thread in the first place, those are personal matters between grown up individuals. I'll second that and out I am.

Peace

[silentghost80]

OK, how about this. Anyone who is not a trouble-maker should leave this thread now, and if you have some perverse curiosity - go stealth if you must, knowing that the numbers under the thread provide the metrics of effectiveness to the trouble-makers. CUT OFF THE OXYGEN. If the Mods can't cut this off, then we must do it. It may feel like kicking crack or heroin, but it must be done. Goal: reduce people browsing this thread to ZERO within one half house. THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I can only presume those remaining are the bad guys. Simple litmus test. I am outta here.

Come on, we can do this. It is the only positive option left on the table. GO FOR IT! KICK THIS HABIT!!

ignoring problems will not make them go away you have to address them
so far all i see is people who get it ,trouble makers ,and people who are too worried about every thing being perfect

[jjl]

The "game" in the alternative media industry is to create as much contraversy as you can...and make stars out of the "jouranlists" rather then making Truth the star.

everyone in the alternative media industry is hungry for their Holy grail..........

Sound familiar??

¤=[Post Update]=¤

i have admited to my sins...

do you think...some..reading this thread will to?

What I would really like to know is; if indeed Bill is guilty of perpetrating a hoax...(and I'm not saying he is or not) then why would you stay in such a "Den of Inequity"?

[Rufs]

Celine, Hi. I am kinda new at this and I only today found my "Welcome Message"... I just wanted to say a big thanks no doubt you and to all that made this happen, it is such an "almost" great site. Without wanting to hurt anyone - please. Things still bother me:

1. Charles. I mean really, big distraction - get him away from here sofort. Was PA better before? Is Bill affected?
2. To much infighting. Like your post - I am so sorry - no disrespect - not your fault - but in a way maybe you can see? As I understand it, we are here to grow and learn and care and help and move... move forward. By having "secrets" we divide our flock, those who know and those who dont. Familiar. I have made it my - path - if you will, not have secrets. It is a means of control. Telepathy is the way forward, I'll let you all know when I get it.... :)

Anywho, I just wish we could keep moving. Replies: 202 Views: 4,646 since 17:49 today.

Hugs, Rufs

[Celine]

Seers are divided into two categories. Those who are willing to exercise self-restraint and can channel their activities toward pragmatic goals, which would benefit other seers and man in general, and those who don't care about self-restraint or about any pragmatic goals. The latter have failed to resolve the problem of self-importance.
Self-importance is not something simple and naive. On the one hand, it is the core of everything that is good in us, and on the other hand, the core of everything that is rotten. To get rid of the self-importance that is rotten requires a masterpiece of strategy.
In order to follow the path of knowledge one has to be very imaginative. In the path of knowledge nothing is as clear as we'd like it to be. Warriors fight self-importance as a matter of strategy, not principle.
Impeccability is nothing else but the proper use of energy. My statements have no inkling of morality. I've saved energy and that makes me impeccable. To understand this, you have to save enough energy yourself.
Warriors take strategic inventories. They list everything they do. Then they decide which of those things can be changed in order to allow themselves a respite, in terms of expending their energy.
The strategic inventory covers only behavioral patterns that are not essential to our survival and well-being.
In the strategic inventories of warriors, self-importance figures as the activity that consumes the greatest amount of energy, hence, their effort to eradicate it.
One of the first concerns of warriors is to free that energy in order to face the unknown with it. The action of rechanneling that energy is impeccability.
The most effective strategy for rechanneling that energy consists of six elements that interplay with one another. Five of them are called the attributes of warriorship: control, discipline, forbearance, timing, and will . They pertain to the world of the warrior who is fighting to lose self-importance. The sixth element, which is perhaps the most important of all, pertains to the outside world and is called the petty tyrant.
A petty tyrant is a tormentor. Someone who either holds the power of life and death over warriors or simply annoys them to distraction.
Petty tyrants teach us detachment. The ingredients of the new seers' strategy shows how efficient and clever is the device of using a petty tyrant. The strategy not only gets rid of self-importance; it also prepares warriors for the final realization that impeccability is the only thing that counts in the path of knowledge.
Usually, only four attributes are played. The fifth, will , is always saved for an ultimate confrontation, when warriors are facing the firing squad, so to speak.
Will belongs to another sphere, the unknown. The other four belong to the known, exactly where the petty tyrants are lodged. In fact, what turns human beings into petty tyrants is precisely the obsessive manipulation of the known.
The interplay of all the five attributes of warriorship is done only by seers who are also impeccable warriors and have mastery over will . Such an interplay is a supreme maneuver that cannot be performed on the daily human stage.
Four attributes are all that is needed to deal with the worst of petty tyrants, provided, of course, that a petty tyrant has been found. The petty tyrant is the outside element, the one we cannot control and the element that is perhaps the most important of them all. The warrior who stumbles on a petty tyrant is a lucky one. You're fortunate if you come upon one in your path, because if you don't you have to go out and look for one.
If seers can hold their own in facing petty tyrants, they can certainly face the unknown with impunity, and then they can even stand the presence of the unknowable.
Nothing can temper the spirit of a warrior as much as the challenge of dealing with impossible people in positions of power. Only under those conditions can warriors acquire the sobriety and serenity to stand the pressure of the unknowable.
The perfect ingredient for the making of a superb seer is a petty tyrant with unlimited prerogatives. Seers have to go to extremes to find a worthy one. Most of the time they have to be satisfied with very small fry. Then warriors develop a strategy using the four attributes of warriorship: control, discipline, forbearance, and timing.
On the path of knowledge there are four steps. The first step is the decision to become apprentices. After the apprentices change their views about themselves and the world they take the second step and become warriors, which is to say, beings capable of the utmost discipline and control over themselves. The third step, after acquiring forbearance and timing, is to become men of knowledge. When men of knowledge learn to see they have taken the fourth step and have become seers.
Control and discipline refer to an inner state. A warrior is self-oriented, not in a selfish way but in the sense of a total examination of the self.
Forbearance and timing are not quite an inner state. They are in the domain of the man of knowledge.
The idea of using a petty tyrant is not only for perfecting the warrior's spirit, but also for enjoyment and happiness. Even the worst tyrants can bring delight, provided, of course, that one is a warrior.
The mistake average men make in confronting petty tyrants is not to have a strategy to fall back on; the fatal flaw is that average men take themselves too seriously; their actions and feelings, as well as those of the petty tyrants, are all-important. Warriors, on the other hand, not only have a well-thought-out strategy, but are free from self-importance. What restrains their self-importance is that they have understood that reality is an interpretation we make.
Petty tyrants take themselves with deadly seriousness while warriors do not. What usually exhausts us is the wear and tear on our self-importance. Any man who has an iota of pride is ripped apart by being made to feel worthless.
To tune the spirit when someone is trampling on you is called control. Instead of feeling sorry for himself a warrior immediately goes to work mapping the petty tyrant's strong points, his weaknesses, his quirks of behavior.
To gather all this information while they are beating you up is called discipline. A perfect petty tyrant has no redeeming feature.
Forbearance is to wait patiently--no rush, no anxiety--a simple, joyful holding back of what is due.
A warrior knows that he is waiting and what he is waiting for. Right there is the great joy of warriorship.
Timing is the quality that governs the release of all that is held back. Control, discipline, and forbearance are like a dam behind which everything is pooled. Timing is the gate in the dam.
Forbearance means holding back with the spirit something that the warrior knows is rightfully due. It doesn't mean that a warrior goes around plotting to do anybody mischief, or planning to settle past scores. Forbearance is something independent. As long as the warrior has control, discipline, and timing, forbearance assures giving whatever is due to whoever deserves it.
To be defeated by a small-fry petty tyrant is not deadly, but devastating. Warriors who succumb to a small-fry petty tyrant are obliterated by their own sense of failure and unworthiness.
Anyone who joins the petty tyrant is defeated. To act in anger, without control and discipline, to have no forbearance, is to be defeated.
After warriors are defeated they either regroup themselves or they abandon the quest for knowledge and join the ranks of the petty tyrants for life.




I thoroughly ask that each and every one of you read this segment from The Fire From Within by Good ol Little Carlos Castaneda

I am no warrior... but thank you for this perspective... very useful, thank you

[GoldenYears]

OK, how about this. Anyone who is not a trouble-maker should leave this thread now, and if you have some perverse curiosity - go stealth if you must, knowing that the numbers under the thread provide the metrics of effectiveness to the trouble-makers. CUT OFF THE OXYGEN. If the Mods can't cut this off, then we must do it. It may feel like kicking crack or heroin, but it must be done. Goal: reduce people browsing this thread to ZERO within one half house. THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I can only presume those remaining are the bad guys. Simple litmus test. I am outta here.

ome on, we can do this. It is the only positive option left on the table. GO FOR IT! KICK THIS HABIT!!


You're right....and I apologize if I added fuel to the bonfire.

It's kind of like the train wreck in front of you and you cant look away.

[Celine]

The "game" in the alternative media industry is to create as much contraversy as you can...and make stars out of the "jouranlists" rather then making Truth the star.

everyone in the alternative media industry is hungry for their Holy grail..........
Sound familiar??

¤=[Post Update]=¤

i have admited to my sins...

do you think...some..reading this thread will to?

What I would really like to know is; if indeed Bill is guilty of perpetrating a hoax...(and I'm not saying he is or not) then why would you stay in such a "Den of Inequity"?

I came here to be by my husbands side...


and thats were i stay

[silentghost80]

Celine, Hi. I am kinda new at this and I only today found my "Welcome Message"... I just wanted to say a big thanks no doubt you and to all that made this happen, it is such an "almost" great site. Without wanting to hurt anyone - please. Things still bother me:

1. Charles. I mean really, big distraction - get him away from here sofort. Was PA better before? Is Bill affected?
2. To much infighting. Like your post - I am so sorry - no disrespect - not your fault - but in a way maybe you can see? As I understand it, we are here to grow and learn and care and help and move... move forward. By having "secrets" we divide our flock, those who know and those who dont. Familiar. I have made it my - path - if you will, not have secrets. It is a means of control. Telepathy is the way forward, I'll let you all know when I get it.... :)

Anywho, I just wish we could keep moving. Replies: 202 Views: 4,646 since 17:49 today.

Hugs, Rufs

ah who said any thing about Atticus ?

[sandy]

MIRRORS, MIRRORS, Everyone. You can't recognize something you don't know!!!

Transparency includes self analysis too and self-honesty about what your behavior is all about. It really stems right back to self and what emotions are triggered. Right now I'm triggered, and want to save everybody because I'm frightened at the thought of losing you and this wonderful community. So you see it is about me....................................fearing loss/abandonment thus I really want to save myself!

Look within to take care of YOU. When you look without for this what you get is often just the opposite. LESSONS< LESSONS LESSONS<

Compassionate Healing to all who are damaged and may you forgive yourself first and get back to unconditionally loving you and your uniqueness. I love you all for your unique being. This includes GW.

You can love someone and not like their behavior at the same time. I have to admit I found the behavior offensive and thus did send a post asking for a banning. I think after 2 previous warning the third should be it. In other words 3 strikes and your out. This is not censorship of the person it is censorship of their behavior. I believe it should be so for all members who choose to disintegrate a community versus build one.

Unless I'm wrong, isn't having a community here at Avalon what so many of us want?

[Rocky_Shorz]

How's the ice fishing?

Cold but bountiful

do you have a fish house out on the water?

[Decibellistics]

I know Celine :) Still able to be used though. in terms of observing a petty tyrant and realizing that it really doesn't even matter. It's like energy vampirism mainly. And for quite some time, That's what I have been witnessing on this forum......note the not being here so much. Only to pop in and throw some gold nuggets of what my perspectives are of the times that be. Don't allow yourselves to get caught up in an energy vortex. Fight magic with magic if u have to lol. Or, practice defensive magic in terms of being a healer.
Some will try and tear your insides out, that's the fire within. the burn in the gut. Don't fall for tricks of the such by reacting to it in an ordinary way. utilize the gifts you've been given. that goes for all ya'll.

P.S. Go outside, its ****ing beautiful. Even if its raining.

[Fred Steeves]

Avalon is a family and families fight. It doesn't mean they don't love each other...each one just sees things from their own perspective. And, like a family, Avalon will get past this and will pull together...a little weary from the fight, but stronger for working through it.


Well said Belle, I've never been so passionately angry with anyone in my life as my wife in times past. F*****g furious, and vice versa. The way I reckon it if any said parties are truly meant to stay together then being able to weather the storms will only solidify the relationship.

If what's going on here now is influenced by outside forces as I strongly suspect, the effort has every chance of a major league backfire right in the kisser.

These are truly the times that try men's souls, together we stand divided we fall...The choice is ours, not theirs...


Peace Out,
Fred S.

[Celine]

My heart doesnt change....i still love you.

And i am more then willing to fix this like adults.


Though that doesnt change my position...

[yaksuit]

Compassionate Healing to all who are damaged and may you forgive yourself first and get back to unconditionally loving you and your uniqueness. I love you all for your unique being. This includes GW.


Well said sandy.

Anger is constructive.....hate is not!! IMO
I don't see "hate" on this forum but I can see plenty of wisdom and humor prevail as a consequence of emotions shared.


Ice fishing, never had a chance to do that, I recommend tickling trout. :tea:
cheers,
yak

[Richard]

How's the ice fishing?

Cold but bountiful

do you have a fish house out on the water?

Nope, i park my minivan on the lake, drop the line out the window, turn up some Pink Floyd and wait for the bite. :)

[Celine]

babe.,..dont lie...


Its Zepplin

[HURRITT ENYETO]

PS Lee, i didnt add a message to your ban, here it is. **** Off

Thanks for that.
I needed a good laugh :)
I knew it was just a matter of time before he resembled a Penguin.......oh he didn't even get that honor LOL

[Rocky_Shorz]

2 earthquakes that didn't show up on USGS...

these are happening a lot more often lately...

tomorrow if the world crashed, would you feel bad about something said here you could never take back?

we're all friends here, be nice if we all started acting like it...

[Icecold]

Unless I'm wrong, isn't having a community here at Avalon what so many of us want?

Yes Sandy, exactly.

Unfortunately, Loki's minions are stalking the halls of Avalon and are intent on creating mischief.

Also they use your philosophy of 'love and light' as an effective mask to prevent identification and distract attention.

It is a very useful tool for the dark forces. A blind which members appeal to without thinking of the source of the message. Words of light are meaningless without action to support them. Discriminate...... Discriminate...... Discriminate.

[An Cailleach]

*hand up* who's Loki?

[Rocky_Shorz]

How's the ice fishing?

Cold but bountiful

do you have a fish house out on the water?

Nope, i park my minivan on the lake, drop the line out the window, turn up some Pink Floyd and wait for the bite. :)

LMAO...

I miss the days of looking out at the lake and seeing 20 trucks parked around fish houses...

let me guess, 2WD and you plow through 18 inches of snow without thinking twice...

[Star Gazer]

We are as sick as our secrets.

[slvrfx]

This all started out very simple...

Celine made a statement that Bill had not kept his word with her.

She was also concerned about others who might be having the same thing happening to them.

She was respectful enough to not give out details.

In my analytical mind, other member's reactions are getting way out of hand.

If you didn't like her initial statement, you could have just moved on to another thread.

I believe she felt she was hurt by Bill who she trusted.

So either be sympathetic, or move on.

No reason to insult her or anyone else.

[Richard]

babe.,..dont lie...


Its Zepplin

Zeppelin just makes fish boogie, Floyd gets 'em biting

[Icecold]

*hand up* who's Loki?



Loki is one of the major deities in the Norse pantheon. He is a son of the giant Farbauti ("cruel striker") and the giantess Laufey. He is regarded as one of Aesir, but is on occasion their enemy. He is connected with fire and magic, and can assume many different shapes (horse, falcon, fly). He is crafty and malicious, but is also heroic: in that aspect he can be compared with the trickster from North American myths. The ambivalent god grows progressively more unpleasent, and is directly responsible for the death of Balder, the god of light.
Loki's mistress is the giantess Angrboda, and with her he is the father of three monsters. His wife is Sigyn, who stayed loyal to him, even when the gods punished him for the death of Balder. He was chained to three large boulders; one under his shoulders, one under his loins and one under his knees. A poisonous snake was placed above his head. The dripping venom that lands on him is caught by Sigyn in a bowl. But every now and then, when the bowl is filled to the brim, she has to leave him to empty it. Then the poison that falls on Loki's face makes him twist in pain, causing earthquakes.
On the day of Ragnarok, Loki's chains will break and he will lead the giants into battle against the gods. Loki is often called the Sly One, the Trickster, the Shape Changer, and the Sky Traveler.

[Richard]

let me guess, 2WD and you plow through 18 inches of snow without thinking twice...

You seem to know me well.. Who ARE you?

lol

[NancyV]

Lee did you watch as Avalon 1 was pulled down around us? This is stinks of the same dirty hand at work.... Your negativity is feeding this monster, stop it.

With respect, I've never interacted with you, you don't know me. Anyone that does will confirm I only seek the truth. If this place crumbles, there is one person responsible for his HUGE error of judgement, and that I am sad to say, is Bill.

As pissed off as i am with you Lee-B.... i have to agree
Even though I agree with you, Celine, that Gypsy Woman puts out more negative energy than anything else, until I know exactly why Bill supported her continued disruptive presence I can't make a judgment on why he seemed ok with her. Maybe he didn't have time after she returned to see that her actions were equally as repellent as they were when she was given a "time-out". He has been very busy with travelling and the UFO Congress.

I was also "attacked" by Gypsy Woman when she put me on her list of several members who were critical or cautious of Charles. Normally I love a good fight but I chose not to engage with her because it was so blatantly obvious what type of person she is. Arguing with her would be entirely counter-productive and futile, as you undoubtedly found out. It would be sort of like arguing about quantum physics with a four year old.

It looks like she is unsubscribed now so maybe that will put this to rest soon. However, even if I disagreed with a decision or judgment call Bill makes I would still support him 100%!! Unfortunately your innuendos about Bill and your flat out statements that you cannot further support him are entirely without class. It is very tacky to attack Bill on his own forum and it should have been done in private. Do you really so much need the support of the members in your character assassination of Bill? It's not nice to undermine anyone in this way and it does not reflect well on your judgment of what is appropriate and what is not appropriate to say in public. Can you not disagree with his decisions without the ad hominem attack?

Of course there will be things I disagree with Bill about. I'm not overly fond of his initial statements of support for Charles, but I totally respect his right to be who he is and to have his own reasons for supporting certain people - and those reasons almost always evolve and change. We are all unique and have different viewpoints so we will never agree about everything. Overall Bill has been a total gentleman. The fact that he keeps his persona on this forum more objective, less passionate and opinionated helps ensure that he won't unduly influence members in their opinions. He is a fantastic steward for his website because he remains more dispassionate in presenting information for our consideration.

Sure he has some strong opinions and when he feels moved to state them, he does. For example he puts little credence in channeled material and makes that known, but not in a nasty way. Obviously he will let his "hair down" in more private settings. It is a big responsibility to consider how to present yourself when hundreds or thousands of people are listening. If I were to totally act like I do in private you would hear a LOT of "F" words in my posts!

You have called Bill out, demeaned him in public, metaphorically slapped him in the face with your glove and challenged him to a duel. I hope you are prepared for the outcome of your decision. Possibly he will ignore what you have said as he ignored the nasty remarks from Kerry, and maybe this will all just go away (like GW did). However he responds, I will support him. I also support you in your feelings, just not your choice to express them to the forum members.

Bill has done so much to bring information to us that even if he is human and makes a few misjudgments I will always admire him and be grateful that he is here and cares enough to keep on trucking.

Nancy

[Cottage Rose]

I'd like to say to two members here. Lee-B and Cottage Rose, how dare you accuse me of something that you had no clue regarding. Both of you ought to look long and hard at your crediibility.



Please direct me to a post # where I accused you of something, Icecold.

[Agape]

I can but advice you to post the 'threatening messages' openly here on the board for everyone to see and wash your hands and heart ,

this is not the first time something of this sort has occured.

If you allow the clandestine game to continue and give it your deal of faith, it will continue, behind our backs.

This IS the same reason why I've rised questions to Bill and Charles in thread called 'The Threat' some time ago, the issue was solved and closed in few minutes.

Life is not a forum game. When people get seriously hurt and there's need for official investigation, knowing what kind of agendas are in play ,

privacy has to step aside, at times . Don't underestimate right everything what's going on here.


You , dear Celine ..are almost always 'speaking in tongues'. Good or bad, there seems to always, meaning left yet for someone..yet for someone..

With few sentences posted in each thread ..it seldoms gives full meaning of what you are going through .


If you think that's impossible and the Admin & MoD here have to preserve high level of secrecy ..then forgive me but we're not in better stand than our governments .

If truth is not allowed then what is the meaning of this and similar boards .



Love to you all :grouphug:

[Ouroboros]

babe.,..dont lie...


Its Zepplin

Zeppelin just makes fish boogie, Floyd gets 'em biting

I also love my fishing but there's been a heck of a lot of fishing going on here and plenty biting

[Swami]

Ok ok ok.....can someone tell me what the heck a smurf is.....because I know it cant be those evil little blue thingys.....seriously.......what is a smurf? (incidentally i think it sucks there was only one smurfette, where was the balance)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1494-SONG...video-to-sum-you-up....i-m-blue&p=13054&viewfull=1#post13054

[Shezbeth]

This is all I will say about the issues being addressed.

I made a thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15418-Energetic-Request&p=161262#post161262

Check it out.

This too shall pass.

[greybeard]

Thank God for Rocky S, Jimmy Page, Led z and going fishing = Bing Crosby.
Have a good night.
Oh good to see you Ross hope all well in NZ
Best wishes Chris

[kersley]

Allow the children to play and express their emotions. isn't this how we learn?

[Rocky_Shorz]

let me guess, 2WD and you plow through 18 inches of snow without thinking twice...

You seem to know me well.. Who ARE you?

lol

I used to have the fish house made from a trailer, we'd drag it out with a string of 20+ snow mobiles...

beds wrapped around the outside that would fold up into the walls and card tables through the center, and a big ol heater...


men's club, if a wife wanted to go fishing, we'd go to the other house...

3 feet of ice in the holes and a heater that didn't work...

They didn't want to join us very often... ;)

[bilko]

I have been watching the ebb and flow of this water for a while now, ever since i got caught in the current and nearly got in trouble.
Luckily i managed to doggy paddle to the shore and see the course of this river.

Now i stay in the shallows and cross where the river thins watching my step and keeping an eye on the flow.
It is easy to spot the salmon here from the bank, they are always trying to swim upstream.

Funny how our lives resemble nature:)
Peace everyone...

[Celine]

Have i attacked him?

I have shared my heart...

He hurt it..

I talk about it.

He saw ALL the info on GW...just as all the MODS did...

I am sorry if i seem classless...that is truly not my intention.

But yes..i can see why that is the perception...and ill take that hit...becuase i did try EVERY OTHER VENUE.

and i am tired of watching my friends be insulted behind closed doors.

Bill's proffesional work is definetly important in the big picture...this is excactly why i defer to Avalon...to determine his integrity.

Bill's personal offenses to me...are not my problem anymore either... He can talk to my husband...or ..he will probably just ignore it...due to my insignificanece


Much..has been alluded to my need for cojolling .....

Yes...i have a need to be treated with soft gloves...

Yes i find myself wanting to be surrounded by people who love and support me.

Especialy while i feel that i am tied to the whipping post...

This might seem to fall into the catagory of "playing the victim" ...i can assure anyone who is reading...i dont play victim.

If i use the "victim card" it is because i feel victimized.

If i am wrong...i will admit it.

And that is key isnt it...admitting one is wrong... without that there is no lesson...no learning...just ego driving all actions.

[Chuck]

Richard,
you perform a great service here at Avalon. I for one thank you for the many thankless hours you contribute. I'd have a beer with you and listen to Pink Floyd any day. Hug that wife of yours!

[Fredkc]

Chuck, I can tell you that most of the mods/admins here put in 30-60 hour weeks on this forum.

Richard always leads by example.
Fred

[Celine]

I'd like to say to two members here. Lee-B and Cottage Rose, how dare you accuse me of something that you had no clue regarding. Both of you ought to look long and hard at your crediibility.



Please direct me to a post # where I accused you of something, Icecold.

He meant how you all flip out on what he (and others) saw as a benigh post about GW'....

and that "flip out" caused the **** yesterday...

You people dont even see how ugly this gets sometimes do you...you dont see consequences to easily

[Zook]

babe.,..dont lie...

Its Zepplin

Zeppelin just makes fish boogie, Floyd gets 'em biting

Straits pulls the fisher in


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2nQZPC2uTs&feature=related

:music:

[moais]

This ask for maximum flood wait, gonna re lnk stuff from grafitti artists blog, gonna hard to find
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Ok, I dunno waht this is all about so gonna be quiet

[sepia]

OK, how about this. Anyone who is not a trouble-maker should leave this thread now, and if you have some perverse curiosity - go stealth if you must, knowing that the numbers under the thread provide the metrics of effectiveness to the trouble-makers. CUT OFF THE OXYGEN.

THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I can only presume those remaining are the bad guys. Simple litmus test. I am outta here.

Come on, we can do this. It is the only positive option left on the table. GO FOR IT! KICK THIS HABIT!!

Yes I'm still here, reading carefully - compassionate.

Not a trouble-maker, no perverse curiosity, not a bad guy (girl to be precise)

But I'm here to 'hold the space',
to support the involved in their connection to their spiritual inspiration.

And many others do the same.

After diving into the dark of emotions a tipping point can be reached... New blossoming after the storm -

I wait and trust.

[Dorok]

In lieu of saying anything directly to anyone else in here for fear of misunderstanding or continuing any conflict, I will content myself to share a story only.

This is "A Lesson in Karma" from one of my favorite authors who shares the tale of learning from his teenage daughter. I think it's relevant, and I hope you all enjoy it.

"Lao-Tse says (at least in Leary's translation) that the Great Tao is most often found with parents who are willing to learn from their children. This remark was to cause me considerable mental strain and dilation around this time in our narrative, because my children had become very self-directed adolescents and were getting into occultism with much more enthusiasm and much less skepticism than I thought judicious.

For a few years, we could not discuss these subjects without arguing, despite my attempts to remember good old Lao-Tse and really listen to the kids. They believed in astrology, which I was still convinced was bosh; in reincarnation, which I considered an extravagant metaphor one shouldn't take literally; and in that form of the doctrine of Karma which holds, optimistically, that the evil really are punished and the good really are rewarded, which I considered a wishful fantasy no more likely than the Christian idea of Heaven and Hell. Worst of all, they had a huge appetite for various Oriental "Masters" whom I regarded as total charlatans, and an enormous disdain for all the scientific methodology of the West.



My own position was identical to that of Aleister Crowley when he wrote:
We place no reliance
On Virgin or Pigeon;
Our method is Science,
Our aim is Religion.
After every argument with one of the kids, I would vow again to listen more sympathetically, less judgmentally, to their Pop Orientalism. I finally began to succeed. I learned a great deal from them.

A "miracle" then happened. I know this will be harder for the average American parent to believe than any of my other weird yarns, but my horde of self-willed and self-directed adolescents began to listen to me. Real communication was established. Even though I was in my 40s and greying in the beard, I was able to talk intelligently with four adolescents about our philosophical disagreements, and our mutual respect for each other grew by leaps and bounds.
This, I think, is the greatest result I have obtained from all my occult explorations, even if the unmarried will not appreciate how miraculous it was.



Luna, our youngest-the one who might have levitated in Mexico and who had her first menstrual period synchronistically on the day Tim Leary was busted in Afghanistan taught me the hardest lesson of all. She had begun to paint in watercolors and everything she did charmed me: it was always full of sun and light, in a way that was as overpowering as Van Gogh.



"What do all these paintings mean?" I asked her one day.



"I'm trying to show the Clear Light," she said.



Then, returning from school one afternoon, Luna was beaten and robbed by a gang of black kids. She was weeping and badly frightened when she arrived home, and her Father was shaken by the unfairness of it happening to her, such a gentle, ethereal child. In the midst of consoling her, the Father wandered emotionally and began denouncing the idea of Karma. Luna was beaten, he said, not for her sins, but for the sins of several centuries of slavers and racists, most of whom had never themselves suffered for those sins. "Karma is a blind machine," he said. "The effects of evil go on and on but they don't necessarily come back on those who start the evil." Then Father got back on the track and said some more relevant and consoling things.



The next day Luna was her usual sunny and cheerful self, just like the Light in her paintings. "I'm glad you're feeling better," the Father said finally.



"I stopped the wheel of Karma," she said. "All the bad energy is with the kids who beat me up. I'm not holding any of it."



And she wasn't. The bad energy had entirely passed by, and there was no anger or fear in her. I never saw her show any hostility to blacks after the beating, any more than before.



The Father fell in love with her all over again. And he understood what the metaphor of the wheel of Karma really symbolizes and what it means to stop the wheel.



Karma, in the original Buddhist scriptures, is a blind machine; in fact, it is functionally identical with the scientific concept of natural law. Sentimental ethical ideas about justice being built into the machine, so that those who do evil in one life are punished for it in another life, were added later by theologians reasoning from their own moralistic prejudices. Buddha simply indicated that all the cruelties and injustices of the past are still active: their effects are always being felt. Similarly, he explained, all the good of the past, all the kindness and patience and love of decent people is also still being felt.



Since most humans are still controlled by fairly robotic reflexes, the bad energy of the past far outweighs the good, and the tendency of the wheel is to keep moving in the same terrible direction, violence breeding more violence, hatred breeding more hatred, war breeding more war. The only way to "stop the wheel" is to stop it inside yourself, by giving up bad energy and concentrating on the positive. This is by no means easy, but once you understand what Gurdjieff called "the horror of our situation," you have no choice but to try, and to keep on trying.



And Luna, at 13, understood this far better than I did, at 43, with all my erudition and philosophy... I still regarded her absolute vegetarianism and pacifism as sentimentality. "



From Cosmic Trigger volume 1: Final Secret of the Illuminati by Robert Anton Wilson

[bashi]

Alll here cuz of Bill?

Hmm..

Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

Which is something people should be aware of, especially if they are not keen on people who flatter to deceive, and are somewhat duplicitous, whether they are aware of it or not.

Yes you were very different Lee-B when you came to me with info you got from another member...and juts HAD to tell me...you were so concerned...remember?

I immedietly sent you to speak to richard becuase i sensed BS

Now you're getting a little too provocative for my tastes. I am no different, what you see is what you get. I'm not bi-polar.
Yes, I came to you because I thought I could trust you, based on other peoples interactions with you. I'm not going to go into PRIVATE conversations on here. It is worth noting how I ceased all communication with yourself and Richard on that matter when *I* sensed BS.

And just for the record, things have moved on since then. I have been nothing but honest and transparent. I felt extremely guilty for confiding in you, knowing it was a huge error of judgement.
So much so, that I told the EX MODERATOR concerned, exactly what I had divulged to yourself and Richard.

He was fine with that, and appreciated my honesty. And knowing full well that I put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Your lucky your on the other side of the Atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person I would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen

hahaha, thanks so much for that Richard. Give someone enough rope etc. How lovely of you to reveal your true self. For everyone to see. I have no other comment to make on your idle threat, little man.

I don't know what all this is about, and for me it is not any more neccessary to know.
In order to take sides, your post is enough:

Somebody is crying out loud in pain and you are laughing at him...

[Hawkwind]

So ya, mod hat OFF, anyone else want to say something brilliant?

You seem to have cooled off a bit, which is all I was hoping to accomplish. No disrespect was intended. Has my comment earned me a spot on your sh*t-list?

[greybeard]

Sepia said


Yes I'm still here, reading carefully - compassionate.

Not a trouble-maker, no perverse curiosity, not a bad guy (girl to be precise)

But I'm here to 'hold the space',
to support the involved in their connection to their spiritual inspiration.

And many others do the same.

After diving into the dark of emotions a tipping point can be reached... New blossoming after the storm -

I wait and trust.

I wait beside you Sepia
Sometimes all that can be done is to hold the space.
The pen might be mightier than the sword but spiritual energy by far greater than both of those.

Namaste

[Northern Boy]

oh the times I have to bite my tongue and say nothing .........LET ME JUST SAY TRANSPARENCY IS JUST A WORD . It is not an action those who have something to hide will never be transparent. This site has never really been transparent nor have any interviews hosted by Kerry and Bill. They have been privy to material never given out partly due to the need to protect those giving the interview. It has never been released to the membership here or at PA1. So Yes Bill is not transparent for some reasons that are understandable.


Those that are working behind the scenes deserve a certain amount of trust when it is misused or misplaced by another then accountability issue`s occur. If that is the case then the one who caused should be called up on the mat regardless of the position they hold . If Bill has GW`s so called back then I have a good idea as to why . Any MOd or Admin who wish`s to know it need just PM and I`ll give it to them.

[Richard]

Yes I'm still here, reading carefully - compassionate.

Not a trouble-maker, no perverse curiosity, not a bad guy (girl to be precise)

But I'm here to 'hold the space',
to support the involved in their connection to their spiritual inspiration.

And many others do the same.

After diving into the dark of emotions a tipping point can be reached... New blossoming after the storm -

I wait and trust.

And here is an angel in human form.

Much love and respect Sepia
Thanks