An important announcement following the closure of the WORM TONGUE thread

[Northern Boy]

Steve ask me straight out then leave the dead text out of it

[modwiz]

This song is about Israel taking Jericho, but lately I've expanded my perception of it to symbolize our struggle vs. TPW and the low vibrating parasites of the world.

Its really more of an anthem, cant listen to this song without getting pumped.

Thought id share :)

PS: heres the link if the embedded one is broken.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maKzryD30vc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Let's see if that works.

You know Lord Sidious you are seriously creating malnourishment for the entities who are feasting here.

Good job!

[Belle]

Obviously the carrots are working, Modwiz.

[Icecold]

LOL. It may not have anything to do with Admin or mods.

Be aware that there are specialised people or AIs who have infiltrated this forum.

Edit: to suggest a far greater problem that email security breaches.

What I'm saying is that it is not ADMIN and it is not MODS. Speculative at the moment, Edit

This is not a fantasy I'm afraid.

First, I'm still trying to catch up in this thread, at page #7 as of now. I apologize if this matter already has been discussed. Nevertheless, I think Icecold address some important issues that should be considered with great reflection. That consideration might change the flow of speculation of "who did and who did not" read the PM, E-mails that you perceived as "private".

I put myself in a dangerous situation, but my decision might be of value for project Avalon. I've come to believe that this forum is extremly important for the readiness and outcome of future events. I made this decision myself, and it is only myself I can blame for being foolish enough to choose my member name.

For more than a decade I've been deeply involved, and I mean deeply, in the so called "The Scene", more commonly known as "the hacking community". If you ever come across any of the more famous names, presented in the media, I can assure you that they are just the bottom of the pyramid. The ones in the top never got caught, never will be caught and many times they even control how the police, FBI, CIA and Interpol search for them.

I have many thoughts about AI, security and how we "should" interpret Internet, who is controlling it and why. I have restrained myself from letting those thoughts out, because I left "The Scene" 2008 and I don't want the dangerous parts back in my life and eventually stab me in my back.

Believe me when I say that it might not be Bill or the moderators that have been [and still are] reading your PM or E-mail. It is an easy doing for the ones in the "know how"... I could, but I won't!

Remember, nothing is private on the internet.

Face it.
Live with it.
Let it go.

We have a future to take care of!
That is a much more important issue.
I hope to be a part of it.


Avalonians, thy word are a lamp unto my feet and a light for my path / InCiDeR

Thanks for your post InCiDeR. That was a brave thing you did. We both know this.

Cheers my friend.

[Maria Stade]

Yes this carrot message is it about the protection, now when the sun is going vilde ??
:tape2:

Shine bright all !

All Love (and carrots)

[Koyaanisqatsi]

It would've been nice for Richard to stay around, he always had valuable things to . For some reason 80% of Celine's posts bothered me. She seemed combative and polarized the charles material to the blue max. I know MANY well respected PA members who agree with my sentiment on that issue, she simply became combative to anyone who didn't fully buy into the validity of the charles material, and became defensive much too quickly. She is free to worship as she chooses. Wish Richard could stay and have his wife move on to other endeavors, just my own selfish personal opinion. I support all your choices on such matters bill, but I am regretful it ever came to this.

[Intraphase]

Lord sid



I had to quote you in irony here, as I can't shove one of the organic carrots up your nose.
Do you see that the red applies to you more than most in this thread?
I had no horse in the Gypsy Woman stakes, but here is the rub, if you continue to pull off the scab, the wounds will never heal.
And carrying on about one sided deals, that is life.
I have been banned from forums and had far worse said about me than anyone here has or is saying about anyone else.
.

post deleat

Daft rush of blood to the head. stupid no point.

apologise to the recipient.


Ace

Are you silenced?
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[witchy1]

i try not to hate.... but i really hate politics!

and mosquitos

[benevolentcrow]

I am not bound for any public place, but for ground of my own where I have planted vines and orchard trees, and in the heat of the day climbed up into the healing shadow of the woods.
~ Wendell Berry

Can we move past this and let the healing begin?

[granny]

[QUOTE=Dennis Leahy;162628][QUOTE=Northern Boy;

[
#321 Dennis if need be i could tell you things about Celine and Richard that would in fact allow you to understand to a greater depth of what`s going on then you are aware of It would change many heres opinion of this site and as far as Bill goes he is not the man you see on camera or here in this forum there is another side to him you will never know

All this friggening talk of ego take your Eckhart Tolle crap and shove it. There is an even larger problem going on here its called blind stupidity .

Despite what you Think Bill doesn`t have all the answers but how many times do i see the words " Wonder What Bill`s take on this is " And what do we conclude from it ? Let me spell it out if Bill says is ok then good enough for me. Whats wrong scared to make a decision for yourselves? i could put so much more in here But I`m holding off . But i will add this Bill can not walk on water nor turn it to wine he is no smarter then some others i have met on this forum> He has a vision of what he wants to see and is allowing you to do his brainstorming and create it along with him. But in the end his vision will still contain a hierarchy and thus we chase our tails once again

Gypsy woman I`m willing to bet Bill has made arrangements to have her reinstated as well as Lee . I for one would have ripped her a new a ss ages ago but held back out of respect Richard and some others . She has no business here and to use a quote from one that he used when JT was shown the door " I think She Is off her meds"


I know something but I PM ed to some one, I do not need to tell you. But if I tell you it would not be a secret I know the secret .I can tell you but may not . She is right but maybe she is not. But I know the truth and you will never learn it. I talk to someone he told me the truth
I was crying then my husband get upset to him. I can cry because I am a women. Maybe I can take your head of with blood everywhere then you can say sorry to my wife.
Or, I saw a Jack Nicholson movie he was using my words.
What is it going on in this circus?
Anyone? Some one has to talk maybe at off topic(closed to the earthling)
Ok ... now I am really confused. What in the horse's butt does that mean?
gran <---totally am not understanding.
:)

[modwiz]

Yes this carrot message is it about the protection, now when the sun is going vilde ??
:tape2:

Shine bright all !

All Love (and carrots)

I love learning new words. What is vilde?

Love and carrots.
( I just might juice some)

Vilde=wild?

[benevolentcrow]

Love one another and help others to rise to the higher levels, simply by pouring out love. Love is infectious and the greatest healing energy.
~ Sai Baba

[modwiz]

i try not to hate.... but i really hate politics!

and mosquitos

Only the ones that bite.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



[QUOTE=Dennis Leahy;162628][QUOTE=Northern Boy;

[
#321 Dennis if need be i could tell you things about Celine and Richard that would in fact allow you to understand to a greater depth of what`s going on then you are aware of It would change many heres opinion of this site and as far as Bill goes he is not the man you see on camera or here in this forum there is another side to him you will never know

All this friggening talk of ego take your Eckhart Tolle crap and shove it. There is an even larger problem going on here its called blind stupidity .

Despite what you Think Bill doesn`t have all the answers but how many times do i see the words " Wonder What Bill`s take on this is " And what do we conclude from it ? Let me spell it out if Bill says is ok then good enough for me. Whats wrong scared to make a decision for yourselves? i could put so much more in here But I`m holding off . But i will add this Bill can not walk on water nor turn it to wine he is no smarter then some others i have met on this forum> He has a vision of what he wants to see and is allowing you to do his brainstorming and create it along with him. But in the end his vision will still contain a hierarchy and thus we chase our tails once again

Gypsy woman I`m willing to bet Bill has made arrangements to have her reinstated as well as Lee . I for one would have ripped her a new a ss ages ago but held back out of respect Richard and some others . She has no business here and to use a quote from one that he used when JT was shown the door " I think She Is off her meds"


I know something but I PM ed to some one, I do not need to tell you. But if I tell you it would not be a secret I know the secret .I can tell you but may not . She is right but maybe she is not. But I know the truth and you will never learn it. I talk to someone he told me the truth
I was crying then my husband get upset to him. I can cry because I am a women. Maybe I can take your head of with blood everywhere then you can say sorry to my wife.
Or, I saw a Jack Nicholson movie he was using my words.
What is it going on in this circus?
Anyone? Some one has to talk maybe at off topic(closed to the earthling)
Ok ... now I am really confused. What in the horse's butt does that mean?
gran <---totally am not understanding.
:)

Step away from the rabbit hole and nobody will get hurt.:fish:

[Northern Boy]

I know something but I PM ed to some one, I do not need to tell you. But if I tell you it would not be a secret I know the secret .I can tell you but m
ay not . She is right but maybe she is not. But I know the truth and you will never learn it. I talk to someone he told me the truth
I was crying then my husband get upset to him. I can cry because I am a women. Maybe I can take your head of with blood everywhere then you can say sorry to my wife.
Or, I saw a Jack Nicholson movie he was using my words.
What is it going on in this circus?
Anyone? Some one has to talk maybe at off topic(closed to the earthling)

These are not my words so don`t get to confused .................................. Love and light to all peace baby

[jorr lundstrom]

Then there is the issue about PMs and whether Mods: can or cannot read them

I wish to state this very clearly:

In my 2.5 years as a Mod I have never been privy to any PM's other than my own. I have NO knowledge of access to Pm's from an Adminstrative point of view and I did have access to the Admin area.

It never entered my mind nor did I ever witness such discussions of access when working in the backroom. I have been here the longest as a Mod. I do not know of anything remotely along these lines of access to members Private Pm's. Period.

Regards

Ross

Okay, we have Ross, Paul, and Bill ~ I rest my case. Let us go forward into the light and if forgiveness can be given, let it be so ~ sooner or later ; ) xoxox

Hallo Darla. Ive been all over looking for you and finally I found you here pondering over light and forgiveness. How sweet.

Im not sure about that going forward into the light, you know like OBE:s meeting your relatives whos gonne ahead and all that creepy stuff.

Have done firewalking a couple of times and that wasnt creepy at all, just unbelievably hot. Well not like pepper or mystard, more like

when the sun is really whipping our bodies from a cloudless sky. And yeah we are friends, you and I. Well cherrioooo now I take a walk and

look for my playmate, Ahkenaten. See you. Love and car rots

[Inelia]

With all due respect, the references being made about Bill being someone else in private are creating anxiety for me.

I want so much to be a part of a family and I look at so many of my elders here with respect.

I wish to learn and grow together. But I can't shake this feeling that things are a complete illusion here.

In a world full of mass deception, I truly was hoping against the odds that I had found a place where people would be real.

But now with all the accusations and secrecy, I am torn.

I honestly feel like a scared child in my dark bedroom with the blankets over my head while my parents argue and scream at each other in the next room.

I need a hug Avalon. I'm scared.

Hi NxTL34

I cannot speak for Celine, but from my personal perspective, what she has said about how Bill behaves in private is completely off the wall.

I've had the pleasure of spending a whole week working closely with Bill during the conference, and also have spent a lot of time online and in person with him. I have watched him interact with friends, co-workers and interviewees, sometimes under extreme energetic pressure, and can tell you that he is the most gentle, beautiful, gentlemanly person I have had the pleasure of interacting with. I have also spent many, many hours working closely with him via the internet, and in person before and after the conference. From what I hear, Celine only met him once in person.

And I am not the only person to say this. Bob Dean himself, held Bill's hand at one point and told him words to the effect of, "you are one of my favorite persons on the planet Bill".

Celine's poisonous (and veiled) accusations, are completely false.

[Merkaba360]

Isn't transparency a part of what is coming thru this consciousness shift, on many levels.

Are we really going to be able to create a new and sane world without being able to see thru each other?

A consciousness where we can see right thru the fakes and liars. Is this possible in our lifetime?

you know , the "you don't know me" responses would be laughed at, cuz actually my abilities do penetrate you and I do know you (as far as what can be witnessed in the present. Look at your yeller (yellow) aura = LIAR !! lol

Of course we will never know each other, for the mystery is who we are and unpredictable is one with consciousness.

Can we please try to hurry and create a new group that isn't owned by anyone, with no head to be targeted and decapitated. Please do it before some annoying powers figure out a way to derail this forum. It does seem somebody is shaking in their boots. We must be of concern if we really do have all these types, machine or not, hounding us.

Eventually, you are going to have to accept the fact that you are transparent. The machines see thru a lot. I am so sick of fake people, Its fueling me to obtain untold powers of penetration to see thru all of you....muhuhuhahahha. I wish there was a group to follow with a council of Jedi's who would laugh at all the attempts to play games and deceive. :(

I know that in reality i'm insanely powerful. But until I have abilities like these fully active, who am I kidding.

[Zook]

Good Morning Good Avalon Good Bill,

Bill, I think it unfortunate that you took this course of action with respect to Richard and Celine. You owe them both an apology, at the very least.

I came to Avalon about six months ago because I believed in your integrity. I believed in the man in the famous hat that I had seen in all those videos. I trusted in his view of the world, and in the way he treated people. A genteel soul and a group leader. Sadly, I must leave now because the illusion of an enlightened soul and a gentle man ... has been replaced with the tragic reality of a man burdened with ego, beset with misguided purpose, quick to throw friends under the bus, never admitting to fallibility when his mistakes are pointed out to him, overrules consensus decisions arrived by the moderating staff to protect the integrity and charter of Avalon ... in short, an autocrat. I think you were a good man - and deep inside, may still be a good man ... but you have clearly lost your way. I would be delinquent in my duty as an Avalonian, and as a friend to the genuinely great people and passengers on the ship of Avalon (that I have come to respect and love) ... if I kept silent on these observations.

The Ship of Avalon is a volunteer argosy. We are all here with our time and energy to try and make the sail a clean one, an informational one, an adventurous one. The charter is is essentially round table in design (e.g. a ship of equals); but even a ship of equals requires a crew. And Bill, to your credit, you were a good Captain for much of the early voyage. But sometimes, in the fog, even good captains lose their way. Unless there is a lighthouse to warn of danger, the ship will run aground in the night. To this, the moderating team was that lighthouse ... aboard the ship but also on the boulders of the rugged shore. Two places at once. And in that lighthouse - while I've been here - Richard was the large light bulb. Without his dedication and love for the ship and voyage, this sail would've grounded long ago. I have not one bad word to say against him. And if you had been thinking clearly, neither would you. Celine is a good heart. I know her basically through her posts on Avalon as you all do. I have only positive things to say about her, also. If she has a fault, maybe it is being too open with her heart. But that's not really a fault as much as an inconvenience to those not used to loving energy. Certainly, Avalonians could use some love these days.

I made the final decision to deMOD myself after I'd seen this post of yours today. It reeks of throwing a good faithful friend under the bus - who's always had the best interests of Avalon and yourself at heart ... and promoting yourself as the white knight riding in to save Avalon. Sorry ... I've always been a straight shooting son of a hitch (Mom and Dad got together in 1962) ... and so i have to call it like I see it, whatever the consequences. Something has happened to you Bill. I don't know what. But it has taken a good man to bad places. Only you can fix yourself and your compunction for autocracy. Maybe then, you will be right again to captain this ship to the adventures on the high seas. I say this with all good intentions for you. Even as I leave the Avalon crew alongside other good people - all exceptional souls - I wish you the very best in the future.

Humble opinions all around.

:smow::typing:

ps: To all Avalonians, including those I've disagreed with in the past ... you have my love and respect.

ps2: In the end, it wasn't a gypsy ... or one to kill a mocking bird ... it was AUTOCRACY.


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Dear Friends:

Many of you will have seen the WORM TONGUE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15395-Worm-Tongue) thread that was started yesterday by Celine.

If you have not, you may need quite a strong stomach to wade through it to the end.

I closed it as soon as it was brought to my attention.

This is an extract from one of many PMs that I received after I closed it:




Dear Bill,

I was waiting for the cavalry to show - thanks for that. I'm not privy to what's going on, it's not important and I do not need to know. Suffice to say, I've seen nothing less than a witch-hunt going on here today/tonight and it's been awful (disgusting is more apt). I have never seen moderators behave this way, ever. For a member to be told to feck off by a senior moderator is well... I have no words.

I understand that I am a new member to your forum and so cannot expect to know all personalities yet and how they interact or choose to present themselves, but I can tell you that I expected more from some of our senior members, it's left me speechless.

Amen to that. I have asked Richard to leave the forum. It is no longer appropriate that he holds the position he has done for quite a long while. I here ask Celine to leave with him and to take their energies elsewhere. I am making this call, and the call is mine alone, and I believe that the forum will now settle down to a significant degree in the days and weeks to come.

None of the other moderators have been involved in this decision, although I know that some of them are in full agreement with me. Others will protest: an understandable result of conflict of loyalties based on long friendship - and they may also leave. That is all fine.

There are no bad people here. Only incompatibilities, human frailty in various forms, and strong differences of opinion that make it impossible for the continuity of a functioning team as currently structured. The world will continue, and so will Avalon, which is larger than any individual.

I want to thank Richard for his hard work and commitment to the forum over a long period of time, which probably feels to him even longer. He is a good man, and he snapped.

On my part, the final breakdown of trust happened when it was brought to my attention that he had shared with the other moderators that he intended to leave with a tell-all post that would be very deliberately negative and destructive. That may still come, but if it does, the vindictiveness that powers it will be transparent.

I told him, when I spoke with him on the phone a few hours ago, that the call was his whether to leave with dignity - or to leave with negativity, bitterness, and a fully destructive action. He said he would indeed make that call, and ended the conversation. I hope that he makes the correct decision, for the sake of his own karma.

I will terminate their accounts in 24 hours from now.

I thank Richard sincerely here for his many hours of commitment to make the world a better place in this particular way in which he has been able to contribute. The pressures he has been under have been near-impossible to manage or balance. He has been torn in half with his fierce loyalty to his wife Celine, and his equally fierce loyalty to myself and the forum. They could not reasonably coexist in one person.

Celine, like many of us, has her own internal battles to wage and her personal mountains to climb. But this forum is no longer the appropriate venue for that to be conducted in public view.

The pressure Richard was under erupted in so much suppressed anger that it is self-evident that he must take his leave. I have contacted the hosting company to change all the passwords to the server and elsewhere. I cannot risk a moment of angry insanity which would destroy the heartfelt co-creation of many thousands of people over a long year of human experience in all its richness. I regret that I felt obliged to take that protective step, but it was the right thing to do.

I regard all the moderators as my friends, and always have done. It's for them to choose whether to return my deep feeling of sincere fellowship. I expect a number of them to step down, and this is all fine. Beth has already done so, and I accepted her resignation, which she conveyed with all the dignity and grace that I would expect from her. I thank her here for her countless hours of hard work on behalf of you all, as I do Rich.

As I wrote above, the world continues. In the meantime, I will not see this forum polluted by negative emotion, smears, innuendoes, and unjustified personal attack. If we want to create a better world, it has to start here, with each of us personally and with the way we relate to others. While that construction job is in progress, there may be certain people who we exclude from the worksite. Ultimately, of course, we are all in this together.

With my best wishes to everyone ~ Bill

[jorr lundstrom]

Hi everybody. Has anybody seen Ahkenaten. Thought he was here somewhere. Hmmmmm

[Redtailhawk]

Just a thought, but could all of this be a deliberately manufactured distraction to divert our attention away from something else really important?

Maybe it's just a coincidence, or maybe I have a swollen head (ego), but it was shortly after I started the thread "United People - an alternative world order" that all this disharmony was suddenly unleashed.

The thought just crossed my mind....

I thought I had better throw it out there, even at the risk of becoming a laughing stock or being tarred and feathered. It could be important.

Are you suggesting a "false flag"? Very astute of you, sure has come to my mind :)

[Janos]

I deleted my first post for a very important reason.

I was operating under the understanding that Richard was being PAID for his services.

In such a situation, the 'employee' must do as the 'employer' wishes, including following any and all company rules, policies, or guidelines, or face termination.

What we have here, is a case where people have sacrificed YEARS of their time in some cases, free of charge, in order to help a project they believed in.

So, to sum it up:

Employee = Paid for services rendered.

Volunteer = Sacrifices own time to render services.

So this admin and these mods have been giving freely of their own time, the entire time, and have been put through hell and back.

At the very, absolute least, every single one of them deserves a round of applause and thanks for their hard work, dedication, and effort.

You cannot hold a volunteer to the same standards as a person being paid to render services. In fact, you should be kissing them for the time they've taken out of their lives to render said services unto you and the community as a whole.

In light of these above revelations, you are dead wrong, Bill, in asking them to leave.

We've already hemorrhaged some of our top talent that runs the nuts and bolts of the board.

Many have stepped down as mods. There is much more to this than you are telling us.

Please do not continue to treat the membership like mushrooms. (Keep us in the dark and feed us ****)

These people have sacrificed a great deal for you, and deserve much better treatment than this.

Celine has asked for forgiveness earlier in this thread. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see a response.

Works of darkness happen in the shadows. Works of light happen in the light.

Let's shine some light in here and shake the bag, and find out what drops out, shall we?

[Agape]

Look someone is sending you a message ...





Mumbai, Feb 18 (PTI) Tibetan spiritual leader Dalai Lama today said "secular ethics" and dialogue would ensure that the 21st century is peaceful.

"Although the development of science and technology was taking place since 18th century, the 20th century was witnessed as a century of blood. However, the 21st century will be a century of dialogues to bring world peace," he said addressing neurosurgeons and scientists from around the globe at the Taj Hotel here.

The Tibetan spiritual leader was speaking after inaugurating the three-day convention of Acadamecia Eurasiana Neurochirurgica--''Holistic approach to the realm of Neurosurgery''.

"Use of violence will not bring peace and it has to be through dialogues in the 21st century" (that peace can be ensured)," he said.

It is also important to practise "secular ethics" to restrain use of destructive power in these modern times, he said, adding that all these require peace of mind.

The world has to learn from the 1000-year-old tradition of secular ethics in India. India should also play an active role in promoting non-violence and secular ethics in the world community, he said.

"Non-violence is not a sign of weakness but is a sign of strength."

Emphasising need to keep the mind calm, the spiritual leader said, too much of emotions, anger, jealousy, fear and corruption are signs of "negativity".

"We must find solutions (as to) how to overcome these negativities through holistic approach without touching the religious basis," he added.

Promotion of ethics in a secular way, as in the Indian Constitution, is important for the world today, he said.

The Dalai Lama said, "Youth should have a realistic view on any goal. Unrealistic approach will only lead to confusion and bias. One must look at every problem from various angles... and analyse them objectively."

"Education and information alone are not sufficient to see anything objectively. It is the calm mind that will help see things with clarity," he added.

The Dalai Lama also said that in the last 30 years, on account of his curiosity, he had met scientists from various fields, but he was interested in four subjects in particular -- cosmology, neurobiology, quantum physics and psychology.

Scientists from various laboratories including that of Standford and Wisconsin Universities in US are doing work on ''training of mind'', he said.

"Some scientists even told me that constant fear, constant anxiety and stress eat up the immune system of humans," he said.




Don't be afraid :angel:

[Northern Boy]

Zookie:nod: integrity is a thing one never wants to misplace or lose

[Maria Stade]

Yes this carrot message is it about the protection, now when the sun is going vilde ??
:tape2:

Shine bright all !

All Love (and carrots)


I love learning new words. What is vilde?

Love and carrots.
( I just might juice some)

Vilde=wild?

Ha ha Ops Swedish !

Yes wilde ! Thank you Modwitz

I just want you all to think with no judgement !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3z7Uu8ClYs&playnext=1&list=PLF1A0CCB6BCD3127D

We all have to face the consequences of our actions !

Cause and effect !

Blame games dose not change anything !

The change starts with in.

All Love

[Inelia]

I deleted my first post for a very important reason.

I was operating under the understanding that Richard was being PAID for his services.

In such a situation, the 'employee' must do as the 'employer' wishes, including following any and all company rules, policies, or guidelines, or face termination.

What we have here, is a case where people have sacrificed YEARS of their time in some cases, free of charge, in order to help a project they believed in.

So, to sum it up:

Employee = Paid for services rendered.

Volunteer = Sacrifices own time to render services.

So this admin and these mods have been giving freely of their own time, the entire time, and have been put through hell and back.

At the very, absolute least, every single one of them deserves a round of applause and thanks for their hard work, dedication, and effort.

You cannot hold a volunteer to the same standards as a person being paid to render services. In fact, you should be kissing them for the time they've taken out of their lives to render said services unto you and the community as a whole.

In light of these above revelations, you are dead wrong, Bill, in asking them to leave.

We've already hemorrhaged some of our top talent that runs the nuts and bolts of the board.

Many have stepped down as mods. There is much more to this than you are telling us.

Please do not continue to treat the membership like mushrooms. (Keep us in the dark and feed us ****)

These people have sacrificed a great deal for you, and deserve much better treatment than this.

Celine has asked for forgiveness earlier in this thread. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see a response.

Works of darkness happen in the shadows. Works of light happen in the light.

Let's shine some light in here and shake the bag, and find out what drops out, shall we?

I think that Bill encapsulated the problem in the sentence below. At no point has Richard's commitment, loyalty and hard work been questioned:


I thank Richard sincerely here for his many hours of commitment to make the world a better place in this particular way in which he has been able to contribute. The pressures he has been under have been near-impossible to manage or balance. He has been torn in half with his fierce loyalty to his wife Celine, and his equally fierce loyalty to myself and the forum. They could not reasonably coexist in one person.

[Northern Boy]

They could not reasonably coexist in one person.

Yet they did and for a long time it was unfair to ask this of Richard But it was allowed to happen otherwise

[Agape]

See, it's all mind tricks. Watch your own mind and see how it's all beautiful.

Fix the airlock . Brush your teeth. Have a good time generally ..


I am leaving the planet on soonest possible date, anyone with honey cakes at the Ship is welcome. Peace always :becky:

Truth will trick you if you have ever tricked. The basic principle of Chakrasamwara tantra is : Don't manipulate the life force...

Don't touch the machine. Close the machine. Go to sleep. Get it clear for once :lol: :sleep:

[13th Warrior]

Good Morning Good Avalon Good Bill,

Bill, I think it unfortunate that you took this course of action with respect to Richard and Celine. You owe them both an apology, at the very least.

I came to Avalon about six months ago because I believed in your integrity. I believed in the man in the famous hat that I had seen in all those videos. I trusted in his view of the world, and in the way he treated people. A genteel soul and a group leader. Sadly, I must leave now because the illusion of an enlightened soul and a gentle man ... has been replaced with the tragic reality of a man burdened with ego, beset with misguided purpose, quick to throw friends under the bus, never admitting to fallibility when his mistakes are pointed out to him, overrules consensus decisions arrived by the moderating staff to protect the integrity and charter of Avalon ... in short, an autocrat. I think you were a good man - and deep inside, may still be a good man ... but you have clearly lost your way. I would be delinquent in my duty as an Avalonian, and as a friend to the genuinely great people and passengers on the ship of Avalon (that I have come to respect and love) ... if I kept silent on these observations.

The Ship of Avalon is a volunteer argosy. We are all here with our time and energy to try and make the sail a clean one, an informational one, an adventurous one. The charter is is essentially round table in design (e.g. a ship of equals); but even a ship of equals requires a crew. And Bill, to your credit, you were a good Captain for much of the early voyage. But sometimes, in the fog, even good captains lose their way. Unless there is a lighthouse to warn of danger, the ship will run aground in the night. To this, the moderating team was that lighthouse ... aboard the ship but also on the boulders of the rugged shore. Two places at once. And in that lighthouse - while I've been here - Richard was the large light bulb. Without his dedication and love for the ship and voyage, this sail would've grounded long ago. I have not one bad word to say against him. And if you had been thinking clearly, neither would you. Celine is a good heart. I know her basically through her posts on Avalon as you all do. I have only positive things to say about her, also. If she has a fault, maybe it is being too open with her heart. But that's not really a fault as much as an inconvenience to those not used to loving energy. Certainly, Avalonians could use some love these days.

I made the final decision to deMOD myself after I'd seen this post of yours today. It reeks of throwing a good faithful friend under the bus - who's always had the best interests of Avalon and yourself at heart ... and promoting yourself as the white knight riding in to save Avalon. Sorry ... I've always been a straight shooting son of a hitch (Mom and Dad got together in 1962) ... and so i have to call it like I see it, whatever the consequences. Something has happened to you Bill. I don't know what. But it has taken a good man to bad places. Only you can fix yourself and your compunction for autocracy. Maybe then, you will be right again to captain this ship to the adventures on the high seas. I say this with all good intentions for you. Even as I leave the Avalon crew alongside other good people - all exceptional souls - I wish you the very best in the future.

Humble opinions all around.

:smow::typing:

ps: To all Avalonians, including those I've disagreed with in the past ... you have my love and respect.

ps2: In the end, it wasn't a gypsy ... or one to kill a mocking bird ... it was AUTOCRACY.


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Dear Friends:

Many of you will have seen the WORM TONGUE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15395-Worm-Tongue) thread that was started yesterday by Celine.

If you have not, you may need quite a strong stomach to wade through it to the end.

I closed it as soon as it was brought to my attention.

This is an extract from one of many PMs that I received after I closed it:




Dear Bill,

I was waiting for the cavalry to show - thanks for that. I'm not privy to what's going on, it's not important and I do not need to know. Suffice to say, I've seen nothing less than a witch-hunt going on here today/tonight and it's been awful (disgusting is more apt). I have never seen moderators behave this way, ever. For a member to be told to feck off by a senior moderator is well... I have no words.

I understand that I am a new member to your forum and so cannot expect to know all personalities yet and how they interact or choose to present themselves, but I can tell you that I expected more from some of our senior members, it's left me speechless.

Amen to that. I have asked Richard to leave the forum. It is no longer appropriate that he holds the position he has done for quite a long while. I here ask Celine to leave with him and to take their energies elsewhere. I am making this call, and the call is mine alone, and I believe that the forum will now settle down to a significant degree in the days and weeks to come.

None of the other moderators have been involved in this decision, although I know that some of them are in full agreement with me. Others will protest: an understandable result of conflict of loyalties based on long friendship - and they may also leave. That is all fine.

There are no bad people here. Only incompatibilities, human frailty in various forms, and strong differences of opinion that make it impossible for the continuity of a functioning team as currently structured. The world will continue, and so will Avalon, which is larger than any individual.

I want to thank Richard for his hard work and commitment to the forum over a long period of time, which probably feels to him even longer. He is a good man, and he snapped.

On my part, the final breakdown of trust happened when it was brought to my attention that he had shared with the other moderators that he intended to leave with a tell-all post that would be very deliberately negative and destructive. That may still come, but if it does, the vindictiveness that powers it will be transparent.

I told him, when I spoke with him on the phone a few hours ago, that the call was his whether to leave with dignity - or to leave with negativity, bitterness, and a fully destructive action. He said he would indeed make that call, and ended the conversation. I hope that he makes the correct decision, for the sake of his own karma.

I will terminate their accounts in 24 hours from now.

I thank Richard sincerely here for his many hours of commitment to make the world a better place in this particular way in which he has been able to contribute. The pressures he has been under have been near-impossible to manage or balance. He has been torn in half with his fierce loyalty to his wife Celine, and his equally fierce loyalty to myself and the forum. They could not reasonably coexist in one person.

Celine, like many of us, has her own internal battles to wage and her personal mountains to climb. But this forum is no longer the appropriate venue for that to be conducted in public view.

The pressure Richard was under erupted in so much suppressed anger that it is self-evident that he must take his leave. I have contacted the hosting company to change all the passwords to the server and elsewhere. I cannot risk a moment of angry insanity which would destroy the heartfelt co-creation of many thousands of people over a long year of human experience in all its richness. I regret that I felt obliged to take that protective step, but it was the right thing to do.

I regard all the moderators as my friends, and always have done. It's for them to choose whether to return my deep feeling of sincere fellowship. I expect a number of them to step down, and this is all fine. Beth has already done so, and I accepted her resignation, which she conveyed with all the dignity and grace that I would expect from her. I thank her here for her countless hours of hard work on behalf of you all, as I do Rich.

As I wrote above, the world continues. In the meantime, I will not see this forum polluted by negative emotion, smears, innuendoes, and unjustified personal attack. If we want to create a better world, it has to start here, with each of us personally and with the way we relate to others. While that construction job is in progress, there may be certain people who we exclude from the worksite. Ultimately, of course, we are all in this together.

With my best wishes to everyone ~ Bill

Peace be with you my brothers and sisters!

This mutiny of the ship of Avalon by the Moderators throws a harsh light onto the reality of the situation. This problem does indeed go much deeper than a single incident...

I extend my hand in thanks to the Volunteer Mods for having performing a truely thankless job.

Thank you Zook for having the courage to speak your mind freely...Much Respect!!!

[SteveX]

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Dear Friends:
SNIPPED from Bills opening post

On my part, the final breakdown of trust happened when it was brought to my attention that he had shared with the other moderators that he intended to leave with a tell-all post that would be very deliberately negative and destructive. That may still come, but if it does, the vindictiveness that powers it will be transparent.

And yet no one finds this noteworthy to comment on. Unbelievable, on a forum like this. Talk about gross misconduct...come on guys....gawd sake.


Celine, like many of us, has her own internal battles to wage and her personal mountains to climb. But this forum is no longer the appropriate venue for that to be conducted in public view.

With my best wishes to everyone ~ Bill


Bill.

I'm hands up here. I've no love for Celine or Richards after whitnessing things on your forum. As far as i'm concerned your action is about a year too late and cost a few good guys.

My opinion is this. There's plenty of folk banned at the hands of Celines threads / posts and Richard cover ups. I'm just amazed many folk here havent seen / discerned it, considering how many deleted threads there are with Celine in them / posting them. I've PM'ed Richard a couple of times on his bias to let Celines threads ride..cause hostility, I've seen lesser decisive threads closed down... from the get go.

For me there has been a problem in this forum, where free speach is concered, because of the reaction of Celine and her posts and ulimutly her husbands reactions / mod powers, when she's challenged...Intellectually or otherwise.

Jai has posted more elliquently than I could have ever had about Celine.



Dear Celine,

I have never written on any thread of yours or replied to any comment. That is because your way of writing to any one who knows anything about psychology is dangerous. I am known for being direct and some people find that rude. When I lived in Beverly Hills I was known as the token authentic woman and you don't ask Jai unless you really want an answer. Putting this thread up the way you have is asking for what I am going to tell you.

You never say what you mean or mean what you say. It is all so ethereal that I have no idea what you are talking about most of the time. I soon decided after coming here to stay away from your threads. I know how much PMing you do, and chatting, and phone calling. You are everywhere. Enough so that I run into you in-spite of not wanting to get involved in this in any way.

I consider it a big deal to accuse anyone publicly or privately of not having integrity. I think it is a form of slander to say someone broke their word to you and then not say exactly the why and how. In Bill Ryan's case--this man is an international reporter with a body of work and a lifetime of acquiring skills. You are threatening all that. You are saying he has major biases we are not aware of. You are saying he does not have a core of integrity we can trust and that he is two faced. These are serious accusations with no evidence to back them up other than you are a person of love.

Well let me tell you something, a person of love does not do what you are doing. I can only judge you by your actions. Your actions are emotionally based. You require and solicit a lot of stroking. That is very up front and anyone with an kind of awareness knows that about you. I don't have a problem with it. People choose or not to participate in that.

It is a problem when it gets out of hand, when the need for being psychologically petted requires that every one else be diminished. I am also an old lady with a body of work and I value my integrity. I have not spoken to either you or Richard in any way. As a mod, he tells me he is in danger of "snapping."

You tell me he works 40 hours a week on this site out of the goodness of his heart. Altruism is done because it feels good. Both of you have huge identity issues with this site. I do not experience the people here as needing the amount of "modification" that goes on here. It is because someone is awaysl stirring up that pot that it requires all this seasoning and putting the lid on and off. Everybody needs to just stop playing these games. It is no different than who are the powers that be in Avalon?

I have news for you and people who think like you. There are no powers that be at Avalon and there will never be. That is because as I understand Bill, he held out to the Universe that he was willing to serve a need. He does that by listening and letting things unfold. This is a time of confusion and chaos. Focus cannot be forced nor can conclusions. We need time to learn how to do this. Time to learn who each other is. Time to become grounded in a higher power. This is what I experience Bill holding out. This is what I experience Bill attracting. The minute that stops--Avalon will again stop. We are all part of the process--even Bill.

You are the most prolific poster here. I find most of it to be nonsense. It serves your needs and not the needs of the site. I say this knowing full well the flack I am going to get over this. What is the Divine Feminine--she serves the needs of the planet. She weaves webs of support and love and understanding. It is not me and my husband against the world. It is not my way or the highway.

It is explaining why something is working or not working. It is taking a solid position so no one can have any doubt of what is going on. Your behavior has led me to distrust some of the people I most found an affinity for from the beginning. I will have to work all this out with time.

I am telling you that you need to rethink your behavior, your accusations, your positions, and your presentations.

In case you have never heard this before, from Ralph Waldo Emerson, what you are speaks so loud, I cannot hear what you say.

I speak for wanting this site to succeed and to do that it needs wisdom, compassion, and time. Are you committed to that?

I have written this as my answering a call of the universe as I understand it. It is my intention that it bring more healing than dissension. I am a nurse by profession--there are wounds that need to be cut and drained and cleaned in order for healing to take place. I see this as one of them.

My deepest sympathy and empathy to all of us experiencing this.

Jai

[granny]

Hey Lord Siduous, what is with all the carrots anyway? Are you looking for some rabbits?

Nothing like a sharpened organic carrot up your nose to make you think about something else, no?

Lord, please display the carrots again ... some never learn! I know I am afraid. LOL
Gran


Here ya go Gran, not sharpened yet. All this peacemaking has worn me out, so off to bed I go.
I will sharpen em up when I wake up next week.

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Some of us seem determined to keep the fires going, but watch out.
Here comes Uncle Sidious with his organic carrot flavoured fire retardent.


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Can you put that on my potato chips? :becky:

I could fly by and have a go, but if I do, I could wash you into the next county.

Oh what exquisite beauty. MeThinks I am a rabbit.

[Northern Boy]

Steve why not just quote the post rather then hand type it Seems rather redundant and you and Jia do not know the circumstances surrounding the post Celine made so who are you to judge. Bill may have the knowledge to answer yet no one has asked him (for a change) what he thinks so have at it he is reading this thread now ask him via PM

[Hiram]

Dear All,

I appreciate the clarification offered here by Bill, with regards to Richard and Celine's parting.

I can attest that the pressures of moderating and administrating a forum of this size are immense, and Richard has been the primary Admin for some time. Richard has performed his tasks and duties with the utmost respect and professionalism and the events leading up to this situation have been brewing for some time. I have only kind things to say about about them both.

Out of respect for Richard and Celine as friends, as well as the very tight circle of moderators which we have here, I will refrain from commenting on the situation further. I also do this out of respect for Bill and what he has done--this effort cannot be overlooked.

It is a very difficult situation for a moderator to be in...as one user above pointed out, it is a voluntary duty.

I am going to be taking some time away to think.

Yet, I will remain on Avalon as always, and I hope I may continue to contribute in whatever way I can--however barring any unforeseen events, I will be doing this without a Mod-hat on.

I believe strongly in what we do here...sharing with each other.

That will continue.

In the light of the One,

Hiram

[Shairia]

For me there has been a problem in this forum, where free speach is concered, because of the reaction of Celine and her posts and ulimutly her husbands reactions / mod powers, when she's challenged...Intellectually or otherwise.


I've no love for Richard or Celine, honestly my attempts to get to know them failed, but this is really LOW!!!!! Can't you make your points without insulting someone?

[sleepy]

"Bill may have the knowledge to answer yet no one has asked him (for a change) what he thinks so have at it he is reading this thread now ask him via PM "
NorthernBoy,

How do you know who has PM'd Bill? I only ask because I did and I learned alot. : )

[granny]

i try not to hate.... but i really hate politics!

and mosquitos

Only the ones that bite.

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[QUOTE=Dennis Leahy;162628][QUOTE=Northern Boy;

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#321 Dennis if need be i could tell you things about Celine and Richard that would in fact allow you to understand to a greater depth of what`s going on then you are aware of It would change many heres opinion of this site and as far as Bill goes he is not the man you see on camera or here in this forum there is another side to him you will never know

All this friggening talk of ego take your Eckhart Tolle crap and shove it. There is an even larger problem going on here its called blind stupidity .

Despite what you Think Bill doesn`t have all the answers but how many times do i see the words " Wonder What Bill`s take on this is " And what do we conclude from it ? Let me spell it out if Bill says is ok then good enough for me. Whats wrong scared to make a decision for yourselves? i could put so much more in here But I`m holding off . But i will add this Bill can not walk on water nor turn it to wine he is no smarter then some others i have met on this forum> He has a vision of what he wants to see and is allowing you to do his brainstorming and create it along with him. But in the end his vision will still contain a hierarchy and thus we chase our tails once again

Gypsy woman I`m willing to bet Bill has made arrangements to have her reinstated as well as Lee . I for one would have ripped her a new a ss ages ago but held back out of respect Richard and some others . She has no business here and to use a quote from one that he used when JT was shown the door " I think She Is off her meds"


I know something but I PM ed to some one, I do not need to tell you. But if I tell you it would not be a secret I know the secret .I can tell you but may not . She is right but maybe she is not. But I know the truth and you will never learn it. I talk to someone he told me the truth
I was crying then my husband get upset to him. I can cry because I am a women. Maybe I can take your head of with blood everywhere then you can say sorry to my wife.
Or, I saw a Jack Nicholson movie he was using my words.
What is it going on in this circus?
Anyone? Some one has to talk maybe at off topic(closed to the earthling)
Ok ... now I am really confused. What in the horse's butt does that mean?
gran <---totally am not understanding.
:)

Step away from the rabbit hole and nobody will get hurt.:fish:

But ... but ... I'm a widdle wrabbit.

[HaveBlue]

For me to post without reading the whole thread first is unusual but this is an unusual thread!

1. It is NOT a sad day for Avalon at all. It may or may not be sad for those that engaged mouth before brain but nobody else.

2. Anyone that thinks the internet (as in any forum, PMs or not) is a private place seriously needs a check up from the neck up!

3. Personally a high post count here is not something to be proud of. You are in effect telling us all you have no life outside this forum. So why would anyone listen to one who lacks such life experience.
It is like listening to children. We listen, give feedback, are not condecending but we certainly don't take them seriously.

4 Psychiatric Institutions (some) do have the internet, therefore I understand why one might have a high post count if they have nothing else to do while in there.
This forum however may not be the best place for those with 'issues' what with all the 'truth seeking' going on. Especially if you already have your work cut out deciding what is real and what is not.

[Northern Boy]

I only ask because I did and I learned alot. : )


good share it with the others then

[Chicodoodoo]

After reading all these posts, I am wondering if a "three strikes" policy should be in place before a member is actually banned permanently. The first strike might be a temporary banning of two weeks, the second a ban of two months, and the third a permanent ban.

It does seem unfair that Richard is kicked out after all of his volunteer service to Avalon. It also seems unfair that there is no moderation mechanism that can be applied to Avalon's "benevolent dictator", Bill Ryan, when he decides to ban someone. Given that other moderators (that may have an inside view of things) may also abandon ship over the extreme punishment (permanent banning) that is applied to a first infraction, a "three strikes" policy might be a useful change to the rules.

Many infractions are surely a result of misunderstandings, which are so easy given the written medium we work with here. And if there is a deliberate attempt to divide and destroy Avalon, through a false-flag or psy-ops or other means, a "three strikes" policy would give Avalon some additional resiliency.

We know the "elite rulers of the world" may have good reason to destroy Avalon. We may have just witnessed such an attempt without being aware of it. Divide and conquer is their method. A "three strikes" policy could help Avalon withstand such meddling in the future.

[sleepy]

I only ask because I did and I learned alot. : )


good share it with the others then

It was a PM. I wouldn't share without permission.

[Northern Boy]

ask for permission then

[Bill Ryan]

Celine knew that if she put it out there, in the open, the comments she made about Bill not keeping his word with her, and how he's a different person in the public then he is in private, and how the mods have been putting up with a lot behind the scenes, that she was opening herself up to criticism and ridicule, but also calling upon herself the wrath of Bill. And yet she forged ahead.

Richard, the man who always represented to me the epitome of calmness, loses his professionalism with the one thing that I, frankly, was shocked to see him do, and with very little provocation...he cursed and banished a member who was provoking his wife.

And Bill...usually cool, calm, and collected, the master of balance, keeping the peace, giving all but the most hardened violators the boot...he, banishes Richard who has volunteered way beyond what any normal person would do, giving his best to running Avalon in a professional way, for how many years?

I don't know about anybody else, but this just doesn't make any sense to me, and that's why I couldn't even figure out how I felt about this.

Confused to say the least.

Please let me de-confuse you - and a number of others. A few of you understand what has happened. Many (include some of the ex-mods) do not.

Take deep breath and read all of what follows. Then you will understand.

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Dear Friends:

Some questions need to be answered, and I'll answer them as best as I can. I'm quite tired (I have not slept last night at all) but I'll give it my best right here.

1) The moderators have been under considerable pressure because of (a) a massive influx of new members, and (b) an understandable anxiety that control over the forum was somehow being lost and that there was some kind of danger.

There was no firm consensus about how to handle this. I made all the calls in that situation.

2) Meanwhile, a number of new mods came on board to enlarge the team. These were all very fine people but some had far less experience than (e.g.) Ross, the oldest hand at 2.5 years.

3) There were several (maybe 4 or 5) instances where I overruled a fairly major moderator decision. One of those was when Richard banned Gypsy Woman (GW) for 30 days. I changed that to 7 days and then banned Spirit Wolf for 7 days as well. Richard told me yesterday that he agreed with that.

There was another instance when a major thread was closed (the first Charles Questions thread) when I wanted it to stay open. I was very concerned that this was managed properly and I gave Richard a lot of direction after he had closed it with (in my view) an announcement that could have been better and was not as well thought through as it could have been.

I also vetoed Charles' donations proposal after I had heard about it via Dale without having been approached or consulted. (This was not Dale's fault at all.)

4) Kerry posted a piece on her blog which upset Celine. She started an aggressive, critical thread (against Kerry, defending me) which was in a private, moderators' area to which she had access. (We do have some private areas to discuss things backchannel, as you would fully expect.)

Several other mods chipped in with posts. I noticed that a member had started another thread with much the same title, so I merged them. When a thread from a private area is merged with a thread in a public area, the default is that the merged thread is publicly visible. I did not notice this, and Celine was appalled that I had made her private comments about Kerry publicly viewable.

It was an accident, but she did not believe me. To this day, she regards it as a deliberate betrayal.

I was challenged by Richard, who was angry in defense of Celine, who is his wife. I pointed out that the fix was to move the sensitive posts to a private area immediately and leave the merged thread where it was. Richard, for some reason, would not do that. 20 mins later, I moved the posts myself. That was one of the cracks in the edifice to which Celine makes repeated reference.

5) Meanwhile, the mods were losing trust in Dale, who was accused by several (including Celine) of leaking moderator information to Charles. I know Dale, and he is a man of the highest integrity. I stood up for him and gave him my full support in a position where some mods mistakenly thought that they could vote him out. I told them that was not going to happen.

6) After one minor disagreement (with Beth, about a relatively small issue), Richard suddenly said to me that either Dale must go or he would go. I thanked him, and told him that Dale was going nowhere.

Richard went offline for two days and then returned with a proposal that he presented to the mods for 'voting'. The proposal included that I would not longer have access to the moderator control panel, through which bans are made, modified or lifted.

Richard made general references to my "diktats' and "vetoes". I told him that while the forum was experiencing challenges, I would remain at the wheel. I said I would hand over the wheel to him when the forum was operating normally, and not before. I told him that I would continue to have access to the mods control panel.

I was not unpleasant, but I made it clear that my stance was not up for discussion or vote.

7) We then established another private area for moderator chat. Celine did not want Dale involved. I insisted that no moderator should be left out. To assuage concerns about security, I asked everyone to attest in writing that they would keep all matters confidential. The intention was to provide reassurance that sensitive matters would go nowhere.

Somewhere in there, to defend Dale, I copied to the mods a Skype chat which Celine had sent to me privately saying that she did not trust Dale. Celine regarded that as another betrayal. In the meantime, Celine's error has continually been that she regards herself as a kind of quasi-moderator, which she is not and never has been. She is a member of the forum like any other.

It is this crossing of administrative lines, and the resultant intolerable stress on Richard, which has caused a great deal of the recurring problems.

8) So now we're in the new private area, and we discuss aspects of Charles' testimony which were off-record, the 'Enlightened material', and the 'Heather' material. Then Celine started a thread on Gypsy Woman which (like the Worm Tongue thread) started off badly and went downhill from there.

I was stating clearly that GW was not part of the Heather problem, which we were trying to troubleshoot. (This was another source of disagreement: Some mods wanted her banned. I wanted to let it roll.)

Celine insisted that GW was in some way implicated in a planned and conspiratorial destructive offensive of some kind against the forum, and had personally collected a large amount of private material to prove her point (e-mails, Skype tests, and PMs from many members). I was horrified, but read in detail what was presented as a kind of dossier.

I could see that Celine had clearly misinterpreted one paragraph and assigned it entirely the wrong meaning - that GW had known Heather before she arrived at Avalon. This was categorically not the case. I refused to have her demonized, as Dale had been. See below for more on my anti-witch-hunt stance.

In the dialog, Celine suggested that I had lied to the members of the forum (as she did again earlier today). That infuriated me. I pushed back strongly, and asked her to please leave the forum.

By then I had had enough. Several members have, in my opinion, correctly identified all of Celine's various characteristics. It is not my purpose here to crucify her. But there had been a growing problem inasmuch as Celine would gain the ear of many members and would report essentially private information to Richard and others. She was acting as a kind of plant in the troops' camp.

Because much of this was absolutely uncontrollable (and rightly so) - Skype, PMs, and Avalon chat - it was not my place to control that. But it was a growing problem in which Celine was talking to many people about many other people, frequently, and acting as a two-way swinging door.

Meanwhile, Charles would find out what was happening on Avalon behind the scenes simply by calling Celine, asking her, and listening carefully. It was like turning on the television to get the news.

Someone like Charles - even with no ill-intention - was obviously going to utilize that source of intelligence in whatever way he could. In his position and in his shoes, I would have done the same. The only person who had any control over Celine - Richard - was doing nothing about this.

It came to a head when I became so infuriated and irritated - at the culmination of this GW thread that Celine had started - that I wrote this personal post which I copy below.

For anyone who does not know who I am - read this. Zook, shame on you: I recommend that you read it also. You are proud to form strong opinions at the same time as admitting to having done almost no research to base those opinions on. An intellectual process that I would not recommend.

What follows is very slightly edited to preserve a couple of off-record items.



A personal statement.

I too considered resigning about an hour ago. I waved it away, because I'm sure it was intended.

But I am angry and disappointed at the fact that not one person saw (or said they saw) what was happening for what it was. You're meant to be smarter than that.

I was being maligned. Distrusted. Made the village-criminal-in-the-stocks scapegoat for a huge amount of emotional charge that had nothing to do with me.

This is a private party - a poor metaphor that we all use (mea culpa) - and if anyone does not like me, my style, my values, my principles, my stand on anything and everything, or the way I try my best to lead this team by setting an example everywhere I go, then damn you, and leave now.

Make your call and make your stand.

I am friendly, patient, tolerant, supportive, more sensitive than you will ever know, highly intelligent, gifted in a number of ways, detail-oriented, precise, creative, eternally positive. I have never lied to the membership and I have never lied to you, Celine - damn your paranoid accusations, which are crazy and which hurt.

I am almost always positive. I bust a gut to deal with everything that comes my way. Very, very, very few people could do what I do and do it well. I carry more on my shoulders than you will ever know. I have fixed and handled more than you will ever know. I have freed more beings than you will ever know. I care more about and take direct personal responsibility for more than you will ever know.

I defend underdogs. I defend people who have been attacked for no reason. It's my style. If you think what you saw here was 'ego', you know nothing about me.

I'll tell you a story. Sepia knows. it. I also told Inelia the other week. No-one else knows. I never talk about it. I'll make it brief.

At aged 24, I was a junior housemaster at Millfield School in England - Britain's most expensive private school. One of the boys - aged 13 - was being bullied. This kid, who was Iranian, summoned all his courage and went to the headmaster himself to ask for help. His appointment was at 9 am.

At 10 am he was found hanged. The headmaster denied that the kid had been to see him. I gathered evidence to show that he was lying. I confronted him personally and told him that he was covering it all up. I then went to the press - and quit. It was front page news all over England in 1977.

Many of the kids AND STAFF thanked me for making a stand. That was the first time I collided with someone at the top of a pyramid.

I vowed then that for the rest of my life I would always stand up to defend someone who was being unjustly attacked or put down. And that I would always take to task those who were the unjust persecutors. It was a vow.

Meanwhile, not one person here got in touch with me behind the scenes to say: hey, buddy, you're having a tough time there with that crazy woman who will not lie down or shut up. Just ignore it. And well done for sticking to the facts and for defending your integrity and your principles, and for having the courage to defend someone who was being unjustly accused.

Not one of you has yet done this.

Just keep on blaming me for all of Avalon's problems. Not a word about how hard I am working to create articulate, inspiring, positive posts. Not a word about how I am the reason most people are here in the first place. Not a word about the things people say on the WELCOME thread when they arrive. Just continuous criticism, carping, negativity, nitpicking, and blame.

Leave now or commit to stay. Decide right now.

I've learned to handle everything I do on my own. I am immensely self-sufficient. I am extraordinarily strong. I get hurt and rarely show it. While the donations hiatus was doing its dramatic thing three weeks ago, I was sleeping in my car in a sleeping bag in temperatures several degrees below freezing and getting moved on by the police at 3 am because I was running the engine to keep warm. I never breathed a whisper about that. Because it didn't matter. But maybe I say too little about myself sometimes.

One piece of information that Charles shared with me back in August was that I am a unique individual and have been the subject of great interest because of that (and, simultaneously, became a problem).

It's because of my bloodline. I will not go into details. King Arthur was apparently a real-life ancestor. The Camelot connection was an RE-connection that was unconscious at least as far as I was concerned. Charles' 18 is because he is wanting to recreate the Knights of the Round Table.He sees me as the Second Coming of Arthur. He's doing this in a way that is causing various kinds of chaos - but he means well. It's the walk-on-red crossing of all administrative and procedural boundaries and guidelines that has caused all the many problems.

You can all be forgiven for not following the twists and turns. These have been highly complex.

Two people pretty much understand what has happened: Sepia and Inelia. Each operating in different ways, they both have the perception to understand the big picture. I don't think anyone else has much of a clue. You are not to be blamed for that, though I tried to spell it out as clearly as i could.

But your lack of trust that I was tracking it all and knew what I was doing - even when things got tricky - was palpable.

I understand that this comes from fear. Fear of loss, fear of being out of control, fear that the guy in charge has no clue what he's doing. The guy in charge does know what he's doing, but he's human.

And that - Celine - is not a euphemism for being some kind of liar: it's a euphemism for the fact that each one of the little comments you make, and each one of the little thoughts you think, hurts. But this, right now, is the closest that you will ever see of me losing control.

My request to you all: Be bigger than you have been. Trust more than you have been. Be more positive than you have been. Inject more positive energy into the forum than you have been. If you want to analyze and criticize with an intention to fix perceived problems, be clear, specific, intelligent, and constructive.

The forum is a microcosm of the world. This will intensify. It will get more crazy as time goes on through 2011 into 2012, and as numbers increase. We will lose people. We'll lose moderators. We'll lose friends. All that is part of life and part of the learning that we're in the middle of.

Timelines are changing, and this has started. We're winning, but we have not won yet, because the process needs to continue for another couple of years. We do have the opportunity to be a model for a new world.

But the measure of a person, or an organization, is not whether one has problems. Successful people, and successful organizations, have huge problems. It's about how they are handled, what learning takes place, and whether the issues recur.

Think on all this. Maybe read it again tomorrow. If you can bear to, read it all from the start and then read this final post again.

Now I am closing this thread, which should never have been opened.
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I received strong support from half the team, and most of the non-moderator members of that group. Two of them wrote to me to say that they were so fiercely angry at what Celine had been saying to me - and about me - that they were unable to know how to respond (and did not do so - which I understand). There was a deafening silence from Beth, Richard and Fred, which I heard clearly. I let it go. It was an interesting personal experience.

9) Now we arrive at a few nights ago. I had been offline almost all week. (Note that I have to positively log off to be seen as absent from the forum. If I put my laptop to sleep, I am still seen as online. I have not been there very often at all while at the Phoenix UFO Congress.)

I was in the middle of reading two virulent PMs from Gypsy Woman. I was trying to understand what she was saying, and was intending to reply. In the middle of that, I noticed that she had suddenly been banned.

I went on to the mods chat, and saw that Richard had banned her permanently. I unbanned her immediately. I wanted to know more what had happened and was still catching up. By this time, I did not trust Rich's decisions.

Richard was incredulous. He, Beth and Zook all left the chat immediately (the equivalent of walking out of the room or putting the phone down). My stance, which I explained, was that it might well be right to ban her, but I wanted more information first.

It has always been my belief that GW had been enraged beyond her personal limit of stability by attacks and circumstances which she felt she had little control over. She over-reacted wildly, but in my view she was never the source of the problems. They lie elsewhere.

Richard then removed my Avalon admin control panel access - which left me incredulous. It was a direct challenge. I gave Richard one hour to restore my access. He did so.

At that point, Celine started the dreadful and toxic WORM TONGUE thread. It began badly, and then got worse. Richard, then furious himself, lost all control on page 6 and simply started firing his gun. It is not acceptable under any provocation at all for a senior moderator to say to a member under the interested eyes of thousands of members of the public whose names we will never know:


Your lucky your on the other side of the Atlantic you f*cking coward.
In person I would rip your head off and sh*t down your neck for that.

Crawl back to your hole now little coward behind the screen.http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15395-Worm-Tongue&p=161029&viewfull=1#post161029

This total loss of control left a number of members quite speechless. Yet that post remained unedited and the thread continued. At that point, I had no clue this thread existed.

Celine posted two toxic e-mails to Dale, who had written this post, doing his job as a moderator, for which he was thanked 35 times by members who were hoping that at least one mod would try to put a stop to the growing insanity:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15395-Worm-Tongue&p=160948#post160948


Stopping in for a minutes - there seems to be a crescendoing wave of drama and tension unfolding.

Might I suggest we turn away from our screens for a moment, think of three things we admire about the individual or individuals our frustration is directed toward, hold that feeling for several minutes, and then come back?

I wish everyone the best, and now, back to lunch for me! In the midst of all this, GW and Lee-B were not only unsubscribed, but their accounts were deleted totally to the point where they no longer existed to be restored.

What has happening was basically a quiet battle for control of Avalon.

Then one of the moderators told me, alarmed, that Richard had told the other mods on a private chat, to which I was not party, that he intended to leave - and in so doing, was resolved to do as much verbal damage as possible to myself and the forum as a deliberate act of sabotage.

I asked all the mods to forward what he had threatened. No-one did, so I still do not know what he actually wrote. I believe, not to continue to test the loyalty of any moderators, that it is now been deleted. If I am wrong, allow me to be wrong. This has slid enough already at Richard's hands.

That stated destructive intention was the basis of my decision to insist that he did leave. I changed all the forum passwords. Because Richard and Celine are joined at the hip - and that she has been a continuous source of gossip, leaks, subtle smears, and passive-aggressive innuendo (including, in the latest thread, suggesting for the second time that I have lied to the members), she also had to go. It was totally crystal clear.

When I made my announcement here, I said I would cancel their accounts 24 hours alter. Nearly 23 hours have passed. The delay was purposeful - so that they have the conscious choice about what to say and what not to say. Celine so far has not handled that opportunity very well. I have absolutely no idea what Rich may do, but I imagine he is crafting a long post. I may be wrong. We'll see.

The Personal-Message-reading issue has just today come out in the wash, now the spin cycle has started. It was never an item to take issue with before - because I'd always assumed it was not possible.

Luke, Fred and Beth all stated clearly that they never tried to read or access read any private messages. I was not expecting them to have said anything different, and I fully believe them.

The marked silence from Richard has been extremely loud. There is compelling circumstantial evidence that he and Celine have indeed been accessing some members' Private Messages under the guise of 'investigation'.

Under any conceivable set of forum protocols, this is unacceptable.

As best I am aware, Richard has not denied that he did this - and Celine has virtually confirmed it. Meanwhile, other members, who are smart, savvy and aware, had a while back come to the exact same conclusion that Celine had access all the time to their Private Messages. This is totally not okay. We may as well be the East German Stazi.

Most of the moderator team have now left. They are split by issues of personal loyalty - and they are also exhausted. I do not fully know who is there now.

I believe we have myself, Dale, Hiram, Luke, Paul, Scott, Shane and Tania (Illuminate). I may even be wrong about that. It's pretty tough. But in a replay of the same game, there's very little if anything that I would have done differently.

Those who know me well know that I have two aspects to my personality. Some people find that a paradox. But I call it a strength. It's like a standard-looking sports car which hides a bored engine and a double turbocharger.

I am patient, tolerant, enabling, understanding, for the longest time. But when certain lines are crossed I change gear and I do not bend or move at all. That shocks some people when they don't expect it. But I am comfortable with that.

Without that steel (which Kerry also possesses, of course, as do others we know well like Bob Dean, David Icke, David Wilcock and quite a few others), we would all get crushed like bugs in this maelstrom of the alternative media - which is extremely nasty sometimes. One must have a strong backbone, or else one cannot stand upright in the hurricane.

And I will stand upright to anyone toe to toe if I have to. It is when mild-mannered Clark Kent suddenly changes not into Superman, but into Rambo. I exaggerate not. Some people here have witnessed that, and they do not like it. But it sits well with me. It's the only way to survive in certain circumstances. 98% of the time, I am the most loving, gentle, compliant soul you would ever wish to be stuck on a desert island with. There are no double standards here. What you see is how I am. And if you are not certain what you see, there are some 2,300 posts to read which will reveal everything I care about, know about, envision, love, and feel responsible for.

I say here what I reported I had said earlier in this same report. If any of you now do not understand, disagree with my viewpoint, continue to criticize me overtly or covertly, or feel that I somehow am lying or being deceptive, then please leave right now.

Form an orderly line, and I will unsubscribe you one by one with my best wishes for wherever you choose to go next. You know, you don't have to be here.

Northern Boy and Zook (who should have known better) - I hope you are paying attention.

*** I will answer any and all questions. ***

[Intraphase]

I am trying to recap what, I think, happened here.


There are a multitude of issues, and if we lay them out on this screen, maybe we can then give them some space to breathe.

Once laid out, then we can see what is our business and responsibility to solve as a community, and what is personal and should be left for the parties themselves to resolve - or not - between them.

So, What are the issues? There seems to many - correct me if I am wrong, I am trying to rely on memory here:

Gypsy Woman (GW) came on the scene presenting herself as new to forums. Some of think she misrepresented herself as a "newbie". Some think she is a plant, some think she is a victim, some think she is unstable and a provocateur, and some think she is dramatic but harmless.

Gypsy Woman (GW) was banned for an outburst against Spirit Wolf. Spirit Wolf was either targeted by GW or he targeted her.

GW went to Bill after being banned, and Bill vouched for her return saying she will come back with a vengeance. (Wielding a saber or something)

Celine feels that Bill divulged a confidence to Gypsy Woman that was then used against her? I think it had to do with the term, "bi-polar". Am I right on that?

Celine felt undermined by Bill's decision to back GW, and felt disrespected by it.

GW came back and started a rant thread. During this time she posted a picture of gun - which was removed by Mod. She had sent 14 members a PM that criticized Bill, Richard and Celine. IceCold said she directed a murderous vid directed at him, and accused him of threatening her and her son. Celine and her went back and forth with attacks. The thread was merged with another thread by Richard.

GW started another rant thread for Emma, and it was closed. GW was banned again for the PM's and threats?

Celine started the Worm Tongue thread because of the above and the stress and constraints put on Richard and other behind the scene issues she could not divulge - including a broken promise she said she had with Bill.

LeeB joined the thread calling himself a "guest," and some say he stirred up stuff with Celine. Richard stepped in to defend her and "snapped" making threatening remarks, and banned LeeB. Some say he made good points, some say he didn't deserve being attacked, some say he attacked Richard's wife and deserved what he got - out of honor.

Then there is the issue about PMs and whether Mods: can or cannot read them, whether they did or did not, whether they should or should not, and under what circumstances - if any.

What have I missed or gotten wrong?

Gypsy Woman has a user index that can be referenced retelling the story of her entry into the forum.
In this thread the passive / assertive / aggressive balance is represented by two unanswered questions.

The judgement rendered by Avalon members currently stands as:

Chris has adjudged her as "Paranoid."
NancyV has adjudged her as "Chaotic."
Icecold has adjudged her as "Disturbed."
Isotool has adjudged her as "Inappropriate."
Carmody has adjudged her as "Unconstructive."
Golden Years has adjudged her as "Discordant."
Northern Boy has adjudged her as "Unmedicated."
Jorr Lundstrom has adjudged her as "Threatening."

The currently unanswered questions stand as:

Was the Avalon database accessed to engage in a possible coordinated criminal stalking activity.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15437-An-important-announcement-following-the-closure-of-the-WORM-TONGUE-thread&p=162501&viewfull=1#post162501

What is the identity of the person who forwarded Gypsy Woman's private emails believing she was a imminent and grave threat to the Avalon Community.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15437-An-important-announcement-following-the-closure-of-the-WORM-TONGUE-thread&p=162033&viewfull=1#post162033

On what evidence was a decision made on day two of Gypsy Woman's membership in the Avalon Community that she was a potentially dangerous person. Who were the witnesses and what was their evidence presented to the moderator.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15437-An-important-announcement-following-the-closure-of-the-WORM-TONGUE-thread&p=162671&viewfull=1#post162671

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Aside:
Utilizing a room of mirrors is a mystery solvent technique when there is more than one individual involved in more than one locale and multiple staging points.

------------- Mirror Events

In a possible effort to permanently silence a witness (Charles) it is alleged an associate may have been attacked (Gypsy Woman.)

The echo in the room of mirrors occurred when:

In a possible effort to permanently silence a witness (Richard) it is alleged an associate may have been attacked (Celine.)

------------- Conflict's Cultural Background

Participants were repeatedly warned of grave supernatural forces and currents laying dormant only inches below the tranquil murky soil of Ye Old Avalonville.
It was hinted The Prince of Darkness himself might be in the nearby labyrinth.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10248-THE-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-Questions-and-Answers&p=89293&viewfull=1#post89293

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:smokin:
Where's John White Esquire??
Raise the Avalon Bat Signal Robin.

:spy::lever::spy:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8qdt_hall-oates-private-eyes_music



UPDATE

The timing of this post was the timing of this post.
Please advise if this content should be edited or amended.

[aikisaw]

Good Morning Good Avalon Good Bill,

Bill, I think it unfortunate that you took this course of action with respect to Richard and Celine. You owe them both an apology, at the very least.

I came to Avalon about six months ago because I believed in your integrity. I believed in the man in the famous hat that I had seen in all those videos. I trusted in his view of the world, and in the way he treated people. A genteel soul and a group leader. Sadly, I must leave now because the illusion of an enlightened soul and a gentle man ... has been replaced with the tragic reality of a man burdened with ego, beset with misguided purpose, quick to throw friends under the bus, never admitting to fallibility when his mistakes are pointed out to him, overrules consensus decisions arrived by the moderating staff to protect the integrity and charter of Avalon ... in short, an autocrat. I think you were a good man - and deep inside, may still be a good man ... but you have clearly lost your way. I would be delinquent in my duty as an Avalonian, and as a friend to the genuinely great people and passengers on the ship of Avalon (that I have come to respect and love) ... if I kept silent on these observations.

The Ship of Avalon is a volunteer argosy. We are all here with our time and energy to try and make the sail a clean one, an informational one, an adventurous one. The charter is is essentially round table in design (e.g. a ship of equals); but even a ship of equals requires a crew. And Bill, to your credit, you were a good Captain for much of the early voyage. But sometimes, in the fog, even good captains lose their way. Unless there is a lighthouse to warn of danger, the ship will run aground in the night. To this, the moderating team was that lighthouse ... aboard the ship but also on the boulders of the rugged shore. Two places at once. And in that lighthouse - while I've been here - Richard was the large light bulb. Without his dedication and love for the ship and voyage, this sail would've grounded long ago. I have not one bad word to say against him. And if you had been thinking clearly, neither would you. Celine is a good heart. I know her basically through her posts on Avalon as you all do. I have only positive things to say about her, also. If she has a fault, maybe it is being too open with her heart. But that's not really a fault as much as an inconvenience to those not used to loving energy. Certainly, Avalonians could use some love these days.

I made the final decision to deMOD myself after I'd seen this post of yours today. It reeks of throwing a good faithful friend under the bus - who's always had the best interests of Avalon and yourself at heart ... and promoting yourself as the white knight riding in to save Avalon. Sorry ... I've always been a straight shooting son of a hitch (Mom and Dad got together in 1962) ... and so i have to call it like I see it, whatever the consequences. Something has happened to you Bill. I don't know what. But it has taken a good man to bad places. Only you can fix yourself and your compunction for autocracy. Maybe then, you will be right again to captain this ship to the adventures on the high seas. I say this with all good intentions for you. Even as I leave the Avalon crew alongside other good people - all exceptional souls - I wish you the very best in the future.

Humble opinions all around.

:smow::typing:

ps: To all Avalonians, including those I've disagreed with in the past ... you have my love and respect.

ps2: In the end, it wasn't a gypsy ... or one to kill a mocking bird ... it was AUTOCRACY.


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Dear Friends:

Many of you will have seen the WORM TONGUE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15395-Worm-Tongue) thread that was started yesterday by Celine.

If you have not, you may need quite a strong stomach to wade through it to the end.

I closed it as soon as it was brought to my attention.

---*** mod-edit: trim out some excess quoted material ***---

With my best wishes to everyone ~ Bill

Damn...

You will be missed. Your A Documentary More Powerful than Loose Change was one of the first threads I went to when I joined. Way back, when I thought I knew something about 9-11. It was an education.

I hope you reconsider.

I wish you the best whatever path you choose.

[Flash]

deleted by author

[Star Gazer]

Bill is the second-coming of King Arthur--I didn't see that one coming.

[Janos]

Sounds like a major source of your problems dear sir, is that you are not taking the counsel of your technical staff and trying to make decisions, that (to use a term you are fond of), are not qualified to make.

How many times have we seen you post a record of a conversation when you state “I'm making the call” on technical matters, when you are absolutely not qualified to do so.

This is not an insult. The second you merged the private and public areas of the forum accidentally, you should have sworn off messing with things that you were not competent in using.

Like using a firearm without training, poking around the back room of a forum that you don't know how to run from an IT standpoint is a very, very, very bad idea.

I love ya Bill, but you just don't know when you're wrong.

POST UPDATE

I have been asked to correct my post by Mr. Ryan. It seems that the merging of threads from the private and public areas was a simple mistake.

This may very well have been the case. I have absolutely no way of knowing for sure either way, as we run into the 'he said, she said' at this point.

But I offer this point for your consideration: Every story has more than one side.

[Isostool]

This is offered for those who might need it and is written with healing in mind. But if you know your steel, then indeed you know it. Avalon is an important body. It just IS.

--------------------------------
It is about having a unifying factor that is SO strong that it keeps your focus through divisions. We don't need to make one up - an enemy, or have one made up for us. We already have one we can call many names.. our inner weaknesses is a good way of saying it. If our priority is on staying unified then division is relegated to a second priority and movement is continued - towards fixing the planet. It's not really about anything 'talked' about 'here' [the 'issues' going on], not really. It's about all the people suffering. And the fact that as all this 'goes down' - we are NOT doing what we COULD be doing to help move the earth into a position where this suffering is relieved... not doing this to our utmost.... to the best of our abilities...., as a priority - for our beloved one/s.

Self sacrifice means sacrificing things which are less important for something of a greater importance. Every living thing that is suffering. They are a part of your body. They are your body, and that of your loved ones... They ARE your loved ones.

Is it at all possible that if we are not comprehensively capable of finding our functioning unity through unified focus, that the universe will have to thrust a catalyst upon us? Just a thought. It might not be so gentle as we could be of our own violition..

Unification brings motion and efficient functioning. Staying INTACT is a priority. of course there may be restructuring, but what I am seeing here is instability of a nature and magnitude in things and places that really should know better.

When it gets like this... you just have to do it for THEM: the ones who can't do it for themselves. Those in incredible suffering. those who are in more than YOU ARE.

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bits from the last post, which I took down, ....:

Look to the most high purpose you can find - and do it for THAT.

With the understanding that YOU SHALL NOT ALLOW YOUR WEAKNESSES TO BEAT YOU.

this is unashamedly about: SELF MASTERY.

Proclaim that you have the strength to stay in your centre about it - not 50% but give it all you have - give it 100%. Take a knife, if necessary, to the parts of yourself which keep you from your centre - each implement has its place and time.... claim your self mastery and sovereignty. and if in doubt, just be NOTHINGNESS. nothing can touch you in that. because you in essence, don't exist. [well you do.. but in your own singular universe - and you are the master of it, with the only key].

Reclaim the part of you that is just plainly 100% uninterested with the stir, with anyone's bait. put it ALL down and go back into the nothingness. That is what you are. silence. solid. peace. in here there is your SELF(true). And your sovereignty.

I'm not saying don't deal with it. I'm just saying stay as the rock of your centre. The truth is a rock which those who do not know themselves bleed upon.

being your true self in the eternal silence of I AM is the finest weapon of unified peace we shall ever know.

[Anchor]

Bill is the second-coming of King Arthur--I didn't see that one coming.

According to Charles.

[Noble Hops]

Thanks for taking the time to write that, Bill!

[Ahkenaten]

So..............it just as Alice said, gets curioser and curioser.........AND SADDER AND SADDER AND DARKER AND DARKER. It is not a joke. This is real life here. Hmmmm...... I see some threads here: so Charles and Bill have an "Arthurian" connection on several levels that is playing out. One element of the destructive forces at work in here display other symbolism, namely the symbols of the ancient Tarot (cups, wands, coins and swords.) Women, wolves, wands, swords, coins, cups, and Gypsies (known for divination and necromancy using Tarot cards.) There are some very dark forces at work here, people and this ain't pretty on any level. I personally still have no idea who or what has been using PA as its chessboard/battlefield 'though I have a few theories, - but this, IMO - goes way, way beyond personality conflicts and workplace/disciplinary issues! I wish whoever, or WHATEVER has come in here to create discord and push things past the tipping point (under the principle of Order Out of Chaos) would pull up their long skirts and hoods and leave. This stinks and is not right on any level. What is manifesting here originates at the energetic level. Perhaps we should all look into our hearts and perform an exorcism, if need be, because one is clearly needed. And that includes me! This is not fake human suffering happening here, this is not virtual destruction, this is real. And for those who think they may they have won a skirmish in a larger war here, Karma is real, and there is no avoiding the consequences of our own actions. This is a play of ALL of our making! Is THIS what the Creator wishes us to do with our lives and energy? No, it sounds like the work of something quite different that does not love us and does not wish us well.

I still have hope that we can carry on, with the discernment not to be led around by our you-know-whats by the dark side of inner natures, and of others.

I personally hate to see the grim Jolly Roger hoisted over this place. Everyone is bleeding here, even if they do not know it yet. This is a very bad thing done here.

Sincerely,

Ahk

[Whiskey_Mystic]

/Begin_rant.exe

I just decided recently that I needed to take a break from Avalon, but I could feel this drama and it pulled me back.

For what it is worth, I support you, Bill. If for no other reason than because you have earned that support. It is not blind support, nor is it given blindly. As far as who did what when and second-guessing Bill's judgement, let me say clearly that if everyone at Avalon walked their talk, if everyone at Avalon acted for the highest good of all beings, if everyone at Avalon ....Dammit we wouldn't be having this issue! There is nothing wrong with sharing your concerns and disagreements like civilized ladies and gentlemen. Disagree with respect and honor. Is it so hard??

I am a professional online community manager. I would never be so generous as to explain my every action to everyone the way Bill has done for you. You people take apart Bill and question his motives and even his sanity without ever knowing even half of what is really going on. Are you all so arrogant that you can't take a step back and think hey maybe you don't have the whole picture? Thank yourselves that Bill is indeed so generous to you.

/end_rant.exe

Thank you. I feel better having said my peace. I did notice some of you trying to inject a higher vibration. Good for you. I'm proud to be with you.



Avalon, there is work to do. Are you up to the task? Then let's get on with being who we came here to be.



I'm just going to repost this from feb 9:


Dear Avalon,

Be gentle with each other.
See divinity shine through each other.
Celebrate your different perspectives.
Be worthy of the Earth as She has been worthy of You.
Be blessed.
Remember who you are and what you represent.
There is so much awaiting you.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i157/SealJuice/th_HealingEarth.jpg (http://s71.photobucket.com/albums/i157/SealJuice/?action=view&current=HealingEarth.jpg)

[Lifesong]

Bill! :photo: Lol.


Lets get back to work, kids.

:)

[Northern Boy]

Oh i here you Bill And If you decide to ban me it bothers me not. The truth always comes out Bill it has a way of having its own life banning one only delays a short while the release of it . It also makes a forum membership wonder why the ban took place in the first Place was it to silence one ? or restore order .


You made some posts I`d like clarification on clearly you saw Charles using your forum to gain information he could use to his advantage here or against you . What steps did you take to rectify this and what was those results? You made in my opinion and those at many other forums a glaring error in allowing Charles to have a platform as Nothing has resulted from it other then what we see right now It is your forum you must accept a major share of the blame for allowing it to get in this condition . You can`t just pass the blame off on others . You are here reading l;ike the rest of us i see it every day .

[John101]

Bill is the second-coming of King Arthur--I didn't see that one coming.

But can he ride a horse :o

Wow I go missing for a few days and come back to well I don't know what.
I think I will take another day or two off. (Treat myself to some bliss)

[davyj0nes]

wow, this sorta makes everything be seen in a whole new light. i have no idea what to make of any of this, very strange indeed.

[Chicodoodoo]

Thank you, Bill, for your sincere testimony.

Any lack of trust coming from Avalon members was not due to fear. I believe it was due to a lack of transparency. We simply were not privy to what was really going on behind the scenes. We could only see what was being presented in the Avalon forums (a trusted source), and from trusted "senior members" no less. Keep in mind that, like you, we are also unusual people, willing to temporarily suspend belief when new information comes to light, such as that presented by Celine. It was quite unnerving, to say the least, but so much of what this community must deal with is like that.

Now that we have finally heard your side of the story, I suspect that things make much more sense to everyone. You can't imagine how much that is appreciated. Again, thank you.

Please get some sleep. I believe you can rest easy now.

[Belle]

Bill, what you have done here took real courage, and I applaude you for that. Thank you so much for the trust you have given us as members of your forum to bring to light what has been done in the darkness. In many ways, it was not necessary for you to do so...what happened on the Worm Tongue thread was enough to those of us on there at the time.

You have my total respect and support.

[DianeKJ]

Bill thank you for taking the time to share that, I'm certain it wasn't easy. I'm not going to pretend that I understand every nuance of what is going on behind the scenes. I do know we have work to do, broken pieces to clean up.

I hold space in my heart for everyone on Avalon, even those who are leaving us.

It is time to build instead of tear down.
Namaste,
Di

[Hawkwind]

I will answer any and all questions. [/I]***

No questions, Bill. Thank you for opening up with us. That was one hell of a post. I'm too tired to put together a proper response at present, but do want to say at least that the tensions going on have been obvious to many of us. A good airing of grievances is exactly what was needed. If I'm included in your list of ingrates and critics, I'm sorry for coming across that way. Be well and good night.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill is the second-coming of King Arthur--I didn't see that one coming.

According to Charles.

Yes. It may or may not be true. My personal conviction is that it doesn't matter. I will not be presiding over any modern-day Knights of the Round Table.

Being associated with legendary historical figures can be much more of a curse than a blessing. I've spoken many times with David Wilcock about this, who is reasonably convinced that he was the great seer Edgar Cayce.

But whether he was or was not is totally besides the point. It doesn't matter whether you were a King, a beggar, or a great poet. It's how one relates to that concept that is the important factor. The great danger is that the present-day individual him- or herself may come to believe that they are not as important, significant and/or valuable as someone who is no longer alive.

It's who you are now that counts.

Note, incidentally, that Charles does not see me as the 'reincarnation of Arthur': just that he was a bloodline ancestor.

[Anchor]

The second you merged the private and public areas of the forum accidentally, you should have sworn off messing with things that you were not competent in using.

There are no such thing as accidents; everything has a purpose even if the design of those things are of a higher unknown order.

It is time to move on.

Step after step.

[Flash]

I have the greatest respect for you Bill, and your last post just enhanced it. From what I just read, I know you will forgive even if you don't reinstate. Thank you for taking care of the underdogs all your life.

But please, if you ever come in Montreal, you have a place to sleep, please don't stay in your car. Reading this broke my heart. You are really giving it all, I appreciate, knowing that I don't know how difficult it may be.

Thanks for your post, it made it much more comprehensible. That I agree or not does not matter, in your own, you did what you saw as the best.

[000]

But maybe I say too little about myself sometimes.

Context matters infinitely. [When in a position of trustworthy leadership especially. In the sense that a flock of birds is lead by the most capable navigator in the flock.]

Thank you for your honesty :)

This is the kind of transparency I expect to see and have just seen. I can respect that.

[SteveX]

Steve why not just quote the post rather then hand type it Seems rather redundant and you and Jia do not know the circumstances surrounding the post Celine made so who are you to judge. Bill may have the knowledge to answer yet no one has asked him (for a change) what he thinks so have at it he is reading this thread now ask him via PM

Jesus...any idea what cut an paste is?

Look chap.....this isn't, as far as I’m concerned, about a solitary poxy post....grrr, I feel myself losing my patients...the one you are solitary refering to. You can remain myopic but some of us, clearly unlike yourself, see the bigger picture! Unfortunately you keep referring to the tip of what I see as the ICEBURGE. This, AS FAR AS I"M COCERNED, is about the demeanour of Celine and Richards bias, a bias that was evidently clear, rude and beyond his remit as a Mod. The abuse of his mod powers to let his wife get away scot free many many times. You or I would have been nailed for half as much as Celine has got away with.

Dude! read the love an light of Celines posts in this thread alone. Read the comments about "I'm learning". How many freakin times as she said that?. It’s a card that's played long beyond its sell by date. She's a grown woman for gawd sake. You are obviously unaware of all the DELETED posts that Celine is featured in. Saved by the hand of Richard. Christ sake mate I'm on the verge of being abusive trying to explain this and it really surprises me that so many DON'T see it.

I look forward to the day that a topic can be explored intellectually without fear of. <had to edited the rest of this paragraph>

[Bill Ryan]

Oh i here you Bill And If you decide to ban me it bothers me not.

No problem at all.

[sjkted]

I have a question for Bill:

Did you not foresee all of this happening with introducing the Charles material, Charles to the forum, and then adding about a thousand new members?

If you don't like my question, you can always ban me too.

--sjkted

[Zook]

[...]
Northern Boy and Zook (who should have known better) - I hope you are paying attention.


Yes, I have Bill. I was hoping you wouldn't destroy yourself further with all the innuendo, the context shifting ... but you leave me no choice but to ask you this one question:

Was the excerpt that you post above taken from the New Sanctum ... a place where all entrants had to first swear secrecy to never release the material to the public domain? (This was agreed upon by all who entered that sacred chamber, Good Avalonians).

Yes ... or no?

If yes, why are you the first to betray it?

:smow::typing:

ps: I'm a fair man, Bill. But I will give you my perspective of your above rant and attempt at character assassination in its entire context ... once you answer my question.

[granny]

Thanks for taking the time to write that, Bill!
Bill ...

I too thank you for trying to clear up as much confusion as possible.

Avalon will slide over this speed bump. As a newbie here I have been rushing to keep up and learn the ropes Avalon is a wonderful forum filled with many spiritual lights ... it is also lively and interesting ... truth seekers abound.

I have been on this journey for many years ... have probably seen all the Camelot video (most more than once), listened to all the audios and read most of the reports. I visit Kerry's site to get her radio broadcassts and read her blog. I am so happy you had such a wonderful conference and loved all the photos.

I think what I am trying to get to is after all these years of listening (on many sites) to all the differing reports and excellent whistleblowers, we still have no clear picture of what is the true story. I consider it a jigsaw puzzle and imagine the pieces floating in a cloud ... as time goes on and I learn more some of the pieces drift down and begin to fit. I thank you and your staff for all the hard work to bring this material to light.

I do have an understanding of the anger that comes from the awakening ... and I admit I have ranted and railed my share in the past, but I finally found that calm within and began to live in gratitude and love. Oh, I still want to "know" ... but the fire simmers now instead of flaming.

Anyway ... too much about me ... probably that old ego jumping up.

Thanks again for the explanation.

Be Joy ... Granny Jan

ps: On the pm thing ... I probably did not pm you because I assumed you would already have too many pms to respond to ... and I think you know what happens when we assume. :)

[Icecold]

This is offered for those who might need it and is written with healing in mind. But if you know your steel, then indeed you know it. Avalon is an important body. It just IS.

--------------------------------
It is about having a unifying factor that is SO strong that it keeps your focus through divisions. We don't need to make one up - an enemy, or have one made up for us. We already have one we can call many names.. our inner weaknesses is a good way of saying it. If our priority is on staying unified then division is relegated to a second priority and movement is continued - towards fixing the planet. It's not really about anything 'talked' about 'here' [the 'issues' going on], not really. It's about all the people suffering. And the fact that as all this 'goes down' - we are NOT doing what we COULD be doing to help move the earth into a position where this suffering is relieved... not doing this to our utmost.... to the best of our abilities...., as a priority - for our beloved one/s.

Self sacrifice means sacrificing things which are less important for something of a greater importance. Every living thing that is suffering. They are a part of your body. They are your body, and that of your loved ones... They ARE your loved ones.

Is it at all possible that if we are not comprehensively capable of finding our functioning unity through unified focus, that the universe will have to thrust a catalyst upon us? Just a thought. It might not be so gentle as we could be of our own violition..

Unification brings motion and efficient functioning. Staying INTACT is a priority. of course there may be restructuring, but what I am seeing here is instability of a nature and magnitude in things and places that really should know better.

When it gets like this... you just have to do it for THEM: the ones who can't do it for themselves. Those in incredible suffering. those who are in more than YOU ARE.

----------------

bits from the last post, which I took down, ....:

Look to the most high purpose you can find - and do it for THAT.

With the understanding that YOU SHALL NOT ALLOW YOUR WEAKNESSES TO BEAT YOU.

this is unashamedly about: SELF MASTERY.

Proclaim that you have the strength to stay in your centre about it - not 50% but give it all you have - give it 100%. Take a knife, if necessary, to the parts of yourself which keep you from your centre - each implement has its place and time.... claim your self mastery and sovereignty. and if in doubt, just be NOTHINGNESS. nothing can touch you in that. because you in essence, don't exist. [well you do.. but in your own singular universe - and you are the master of it, with the only key].

Reclaim the part of you that is just plainly 100% uninterested with the stir, with anyone's bait. put it ALL down and go back into the nothingness. That is what you are. silence. solid. peace. in here there is your SELF(true). And your sovereignty.

I'm not saying don't deal with it. I'm just saying stay as the rock of your centre. The truth is a rock which those who do not know themselves bleed upon.

being your true self in the eternal silence of I AM is the finest weapon of unified peace we shall ever know.

I love you girl.

Great post and focus. Keep it up please.

[Bill Ryan]

I have a question for Bill:

Did you not foresee all of this happening with introducing the Charles material, Charles to the forum, and then adding about a thousand new members?

If you don't like my question, you can always ban me too.

--sjkted

It's a good question. All the mods will confirm - someone, please do! - that I warned them back in August of last year that the forum would soon double or treble in size.

I urged everyone to prepare for far greater challenges of every kind, and for the team to be enlarged. I would have appointed more people, earlier, but I had always been hands-off with regards to the mods team choosing their own team members. They were slow to do this. I think what I was saying must have been unreal for them. But I could see the train coming down the tracks.

I also wanted to increase the numbers of admins (tecnical mods, familiar with the software) so that not so much pressure was on Richard - who had been under immense personal load.

He was really the only one in the team who had a deep technical knowledge of vBulletin (the forum software). It seemed self-evident to me that we needed three admins of equal capability in different time zones: one in North America, one in Europe, and one in Australia or New Zealand. Richard refused to consider it. I did not interfere.

[Chicodoodoo]

Oh, and please, Avalonians, stop any mention of getting yourself banned! We've been through the emotional wringer here. As you post, try to remember this variation of the Golden Rule: "Do not flame others in a way you would not want to be flamed."

[Bill Ryan]

[...]
Northern Boy and Zook (who should have known better) - I hope you are paying attention.


Yes, I have Bill. I was hoping you wouldn't destroy yourself further with all the innuendo, the context shifting ... but you leave me no choice but to ask you this one question:

Was the excerpt that you post above taken from the New Sanctum ... a place where all entrants had to first swear secrecy to never release the material to the public domain? (This was agreed upon by all who entered that sacred chamber, Good Avalonians).

Yes ... or no?

If yes, why are you the first to betray it?

:smow::typing:

ps: I'm a fair man, Bill. But I will give you my perspective of your above rant and attempt at character assassination in its entire context ... once you answer my question.

I can copy my own post. Just like you can copy (and forward, and download) any PM that you write.

I cannot copy your post. And you cannot copy my PM.

[sleepy]

Mr. Ryan,

Thank you for your heartfelt post and for all that you do. If you find yourself in Colorado you also have a place to hang your hat.

Peace,
sleepy

[SteveX]

For me there has been a problem in this forum, where free speach is concered, because of the reaction of Celine and her posts and ulimutly her husbands reactions / mod powers, when she's challenged...Intellectually or otherwise.


I've no love for Richard or Celine, honestly my attempts to get to know them failed, but this is really LOW!!!!! Can't you make your points without insulting someone?

You see that as an insult? I don't. It's a comment but OK let me put it slightly differently

For me there has been a problem in this forum, where free speach is concered, because of Celine's reaction... her posts and ultimutly her husbands reactions / mod powers, when she's challenged.

Any better?

[Chicodoodoo]

Mr. Ryan,

Thank you for your heartfelt post and for all that you do. If you find yourself in Colorado you also have a place to hang your hat.


And if sleepy is not home, you can drive down to my place. No more sleeping in the cold car!

[Shairia]

SteveX,

The only part of your post that bothered me was the "Intellectually or otherwise" portion, it was unfair to anyone. I feel that we've witnessed enough elitism, don't you?

[Rocky_Shorz]

wow Bill,

thank you for taking the time to lay all of that out, there should be no more questions...

you've always been the Heart and Scroll of Avalon...

[Omni]

Celine knew that if she put it out there, in the open, the comments she made about Bill not keeping his word with her, and how he's a different person in the public then he is in private, and how the mods have been putting up with a lot behind the scenes, that she was opening herself up to criticism and ridicule, but also calling upon herself the wrath of Bill. And yet she forged ahead.

Richard, the man who always represented to me the epitome of calmness, loses his professionalism with the one thing that I, frankly, was shocked to see him do, and with very little provocation...he cursed and banished a member who was provoking his wife.

And Bill...usually cool, calm, and collected, the master of balance, keeping the peace, giving all but the most hardened violators the boot...he, banishes Richard who has volunteered way beyond what any normal person would do, giving his best to running Avalon in a professional way, for how many years?

I don't know about anybody else, but this just doesn't make any sense to me, and that's why I couldn't even figure out how I felt about this.

Confused to say the least.

Please let me de-confuse you - and a number of others. A few of you understand what has happened. Many (include some of the ex-mods) do not.

Take deep breath and read all of what follows. Then you will understand.

--------

Dear Friends:

Some questions need to be answered, and I'll answer them as best as I can. I'm quite tired (I have not slept last night at all) but I'll give it my best right here.

---*** mod-edit: some quoted material trimmed (shorter is easier to read) ***---

*** I will answer any and all questions. ***

I'm speechless Bill. Well not anymore.... But was... Thank you so much for providing this much needed clarification. I take back my comment about wanting Richard and Celine to stay, it was in a way ignorant of me to say such without knowing the full story. This is beyond repair and would likely deteorate the forum to have anything close to this continually going on, and it is crystal clear where the origin of the problem is..

I sincerely love how you defend the underdog. I have been the same for quite some time. Such is a trait of a truly(trying not to say enlightened) benevolent individual that shows distinct signs of respectable qualities. I have nothing but respect for you Bill and I really mean that in a deep way. And I am not sucking up in the slightest. I'm being fully open with my views, as I often am. Injustice has always bothered me, and it very much seems like, I venture to say is reality, that you have been subjected to injustice in the actions of Richard and Celine.

On a side note, I do not like how Richard said:


We are moving on to another forum as are many of you.

Many of us?? What, like 15 people maybe?

This contradicts his later statement of:

I love this community and wont do anything to harm it

Saying "many" people are leaving I felt a distinct punch in the gut to this forum aimed at getting more members to split. I haven't been here long but my loyalty to Bill and this site has grown 10 fold since I came here. The quoted post by you Bill has shown me without a shadow of a doubt you are a great man and deserve every ounce of respect you get from people. Some of it could be chalked up as ego(By the people catering to their insidious reality), but I know full well when speaking the truth about yourself it is not necessarily an act of ego if you are speaking positively of your own character and actions.

You have my sympathy to the fullest Bill. And again, if there is anything I can do for you, let me know*(even if it's pay for a hotel for you to sleep at if you are still in that situation again for a night, i am rather poor but I could handle that so send me a PM if you are in that situation again please).

*Except being a mod. Not that I think you would do such a thing to someone who new here, let alone is open about being mind controlled by the very forces that want Avalon to fail at times. Not that I think it would manifest problems if I was a mod. But that is about the only thing I can think of that I would respectfully decline within the realm of anywhere near possible for me to do for you. I want to see you happy and stress free, you deserve it.

[SKAWF]

actually, i can see what you say about bloodlines.....
at the front page there was a screenshot of the rullers of the world video,
and your face bare's more than a striking resemblence to the queen.
and my mum.

scary sh*t.

i like that kinda take charge of your thing mentality.
i was suprised that with you being the founder,
there was ever any restriction on your access at all.

where GW was concerned...
the alarm bell for me was early on.
it was the reaction she displayed when she didnt get lots of thanks for one of her posts.
her opening posts had got lots of thanks, when she didnt get many she reated badly to it
and became defensive from then on.
that and the fact she is the kind of woman i would run out of a room to avoid.

King Aurthur.
well thats as near as we've had to an actual plan.
i like it.
i've heard worse.
will there be a sword in a stone?

[Omni]

I just wrote out a heartfelt reply to Bill. I was sent to a page saying richard is not recieving PMs... This angers me quite a lot and I am not easily angered........

edit nvm, it appears the post was posted. Very fishy though. It was an odd page saying richard is not recieving Pms or something... Wish I got a screenshot..

[Strat]

Bill, surely you are often in uncomfortable positions, being the leader of this site. The level of maturity and tactfulness you've shown in handling all of this is admirable. For what it's worth, I back you 100%.

[TWINNICK]

i try not to hate.... but i really hate politics!

and mosquitos


and blowfly's.

..Nick..

[Carmody]

as for being on the line:

A bit of news.

I've even been given my own personal chemtrails.

Like Bill, I'm not freaking out about it.

This is getting serious, people.

[ThePythonicCow]

I just wrote out a heartfelt reply to Bill. I was sent to a page saying richard is not recieving PMs... This angers me quite a lot and I am not easily angered........

edit nvm, it appears the post was posted. Very fishy though. It was an odd page saying richard is not recieving Pms or something... Wish I got a screenshot..

I wish you had a screen shot as well ;). I have no insight into what you saw.

[kevlor]

my heart bleeds for you bill. i am not going anywhere, i have your back.

remember - what you overcome, only makes you stronger

... kev

[jorr lundstrom]

Hi Bill and thank you again for your ability to know when and how to use your sword.

And of course for everything else of your doing. The days and nights since the 11_th January

when I signed in 0n PA my life has been filled to the brim. Very greatful for this opportunity.

I wrote to you earlier today about the sword, and I have posted new threads yesterday about the Arthurian myth

and about symbols in connection to this. I really didnt know I knew your bloodline. LOL

I just write about wot Ive been into.

But I must also say that I was disturbed when strange things happened to my

PM. I hope that you soon will have a possibility to rest. Love you, Brother

[Sarlic]

Bill that last post you wrote must have drained your energy please get some much needed rest (hopefully not in a cold car)

If you lived in London i would gladly find you a warm bed untill you got yourself back on your feet and i might even throw in a rasberry smoothie aswell :p

Dont forget that we are all here for you mate and you only have to ask.

I have the up-most respect for you and all of the people of Avalon

Peace buddy
John

[Dennis Leahy]

Good Morning Good Avalon Good Bill,

Bill, I think it unfortunate that you took this course of action with respect to Richard and Celine. You owe them both an apology, at the very least.

I came to Avalon about six months ago because I believed in your integrity. I believed in the man in the famous hat that I had seen in all those videos. I trusted in his view of the world, and in the way he treated people. A genteel soul and a group leader. Sadly, I must leave now because the illusion of an enlightened soul and a gentle man ... has been replaced with the tragic reality of a man burdened with ego, beset with misguided purpose, quick to throw friends under the bus, never admitting to fallibility when his mistakes are pointed out to him, overrules consensus decisions arrived by the moderating staff to protect the integrity and charter of Avalon ... in short, an autocrat.
...


Zook,

I know you as a fighter (from 911 threads here), a guy who fights using passionate logic - not just fiery emotion.

I happened to be on-line when Richard over-reacted and flipped out. Then he asked - basically dared - if anyone else wanted to make any comments. I wanted to say, "you totally over reacted", but being new here and with Richard being an Admin/Mod, well, I knew it would probably be the last words I typed on Avalon. Moments later, LeeB was ejected. I was shaking my head, and started mentally composing saying goodbye to Avalon. I decided to wait a day, and see how it shook out.

I'm not sure what you expect Bill to do, but if Richard had not lost his role as Mod, I would have left Avalon, and I suspect many others would have also. How can you possibly have a Mod, a full Admin-Mod, the day-to-day leadership role Mod, behaving like that? Richard forced his own expulsion, and he knows it.

"quick to throw friends under the bus" is a very unfair characterization. Amazingly poor choice of words especially considering you took the time to think through your response and did not just fire off a knee-jerk reaction.

Even if you stand down as a Mod, even if you quit Avalon, you owe Bill an apology.

================================================

The above had been composed and was sitting on my screen while I took care of some family stuff, and when I came back, I read Bill's long post answering all of the accusations and innuendo. My intuition about everything was completely confirmed.

In addition to expecting Zook to apologize to Bill, I expect Northern Boy to apologize to Bill - unequivocally - and I know there are at least four other members that were paying attention and expect the same.

I'm committed to the Avalon community, and my support for Bill (which didn't really need to be reinforced) has been reinforced. I barely know the tip of the iceberg about the gravity of the world situation, and even with the very little I do know, I know that the mainstream community is either asleep or in collusion with Elite Overlords, and that it is absolutely critical for "alternative"/"awakened" individuals to coalesce into a powerful group with purpose and focus - or we haven't a snowflake's chance in hell. So, let's dust off, heal these wounds, and move forward - united.

Dennis

[Zook]

[...]
Northern Boy and Zook (who should have known better) - I hope you are paying attention.


Yes, I have Bill. I was hoping you wouldn't destroy yourself further with all the innuendo, the context shifting ... but you leave me no choice but to ask you this one question:

Was the excerpt that you post above taken from the New Sanctum ... a place where all entrants had to first swear secrecy to never release the material to the public domain? (This was agreed upon by all who entered that sacred chamber, Good Avalonians).

Yes ... or no?
If yes, why are you the first to betray it?

:smow::typing:
ps: I'm a fair man, Bill. But I will give you my perspective of your above rant and attempt at character assassination in its entire context ... once you answer my question.
I can copy my own post. Just like you can copy (and forward, and download) any PM that you write.
I cannot copy your post. And you cannot copy my PM.

Thanks for the explanation, Bill. Legalistic ... but not the spirit of the law. That was posted in New Sanctum. So it becomes New Sanctum material in my understanding. Still, I cannot begrudge you your understanding. I think you've upheld the law, fair enough; but I also think you've broken its spirit ... for now the public is aware of what was being discussed in New Sanctum ... and that is a breach of New Sanctum in itself.

:smow::typing:

[raparee]

As a brand new member I am shocked at the personal attacks on Bill Ryan, in reading Phillips letter it appears to me that he was moving on with with the best of wishes for Avalon. It baffles me why Bill would be questioned on his decision toto bring us the 'Charles material" stop for one minute and contemplate that it could have cost him and Charles their lives, when I see a man ready to risk it all I pay attention, and somehow I believe the elite do also .In reference to the remark about letting in 1000 new members being a poor decision, let me tell you there are 1000 times that number of people searching on the net tonite looking for truth, looking for a source like Avalon. There are people dying tonite again over oil, I wish people would contact their politicians and vent their feelings like they are doing here right now

[Omni]

Also, I may comment on the king arthur second coming... Bill this is a tactic they use to discredit people. The Greys have tried to make me think I was the re-incarnation of so many people it's quite ridiculous and stupid. They have tried to make me think I was Jesus, Einstein, Hitler, and many more. This is a distinct tactic to discredit and most people would consider a second coming of ANYONE a complete fraud. I highly recommend not doing it. But it seems, and I bet, that you have already caught onto that in some sort of way.

I have observed them seemingly fabricate past lives to people to discredit them, or propagate disinfo. Trust me when I say this is a tactic used by the dark forces to subvert the integrity of someones information in the minds of onlookers.

I am not saying Charles is deliberately doing this... I am fairly certain Charles is under mind control at times. Well fairly certain in the realm of how certain you can actually be. I'd say 30-75% chance Charles is subject to mind control. So even if he has good intentions, he(like I am at times, but it would be a rarity, especially in your case as I have stated to my contacts my intentions and will to endure torture to help the people on this site if I have to) is a liability to give ideas that serve the agendas of the people who want your mission to be subverted and character assassinated..

I am very glad you shared that bit Bill. And if I helped you in any way by this post I would be very happy, as I strongly desire helping you.

[granny]

as for being on the line:

A bit of news.

I've even been given my own personal chemtrails.

Like Bill, I'm not freaking out about it.

This is getting serious, people.
Carmody ...
Please explain ... it is getting late for me ... was trying to have open mind ... but you know what happened ... yep ... brain fell out.

[Star Gazer]

If Bill is King Arthur who is Charles? Merlin? Lancelot? Mordred?

Allegorically speaking of course.

[astrid]

Also, I may comment on the king arthur second coming... Bill this is a tactic they use to discredit people. The Greys have tried to make me think I was the re-incarnation of so many people it's quite ridiculous and stupid. They have tried to make me think I was Jesus, Einstein, Hitler, and many more. This is a distinct tactic to discredit and most people would consider a second coming of ANYONE a complete fraud. I highly recommend not doing it. But it seems, and I bet, that you have already caught onto that in some sort of way.

I have observed them seemingly fabricate past lives to people to discredit them, or propagate disinfo. Trust me when I say this is a tactic used by the dark forces to subvert the integrity of someones information in the minds of onlookers.

I am not saying Charles is deliberately doing this... I am fairly certain Charles is under mind control at times. Well fairly certain in the realm of how certain you can actually be. I'd say 30-75% chance Charles is subject to mind control. So even if he has good intentions, he(like I am at times, but it would be a rarity, especially in your case as I have stated to my contacts my intentions and will to endure torture to help the people on this site if I have to) is a liability to give ideas that serve the agendas of the people who want your mission to be subverted and character assassinated..

I am very glad you shared that bit Bill. And if I helped you in any way by this post I would be very happy, as I strongly desire helping you.

Go back and read CAREFULLY... Bill was talking of BLOODLINES and NOT incarnations...


Note, incidentally, that Charles does not see me as the 'reincarnation of Arthur': just that he was a bloodline ancestor.

[transitionalman]

Hi Bill,

First I want to say that I was blown away by your response. Although we were all hoping to hear your response, I didn't think you would go into such detail. Like someone mentioned earlier, we needed the transparency, and I thank you for that. I hope everyone can learn something from this. We can now move forward.

I look up to as I would my own father. You wholeheartedly have my full support Bill.

[kenkyushiryo]

~

just a quick aside first, i thanked you somewhere you might not have seen it, so again,
thank you for suggesting the book "the end of time, by julian barbour".
just bought it recently, read the introduction, and am really looking forward to plowing
in to it. it may lead me to further insights which i have yet to contemplate.

thank you for this posting.

for myself, and others who have recently come in over the last few months, without
this knowledge i can only say: spider senses were tingling... im not interested in the drama and
held back from posting in threads of great............. turbulance.... distress... not sure
what to put in there. i tried to avoid the tornados ripping up the houses.

if i was in a thread where i suddenly found these tornados i would skip through to see whats really going on alot of the time, and found not much. as best i could any of this kind of stuff i ignored.

in the most humble way, i admit to following you on the board, with interest to see
what you are writing about because your point of view interests me. im sure many
here will say the same. i say this not in defense, but i think just out of common sense. it is
without ego i say these things, but just what feels right to say.



indeed, unrelated to this particular event i was writing recently posts which this in many
ways confirms.


the chaos of this year will bring about the revelation of so many truths, many may not
know where to stand. im not worried about where to stand, i prefer to sit anyway.



not necessarily a question, maybe an observation.
this from your post popped out at me:

Meanwhile, Charles would find out what was happening on Avalon behind the scenes simply by calling Celine, asking her, and listening carefully. It was like turning on the television to get the news.

Someone like Charles - even with no ill-intention - was obviously going to utilize that source of intelligence in whatever way he could. In his position and in his shoes, I would have done the same.

it might be necessary to expand on what this means because it could imply charles in
duplicitous acts which may or may not be the case. just when i read it i thought it might
need clarification. im not saying this as any form of criticism, but just curiousity.

thank you.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/customprofilepics/profilepic3513_1.gif

[Maria Stade]

Dear Bill thank you for this !

I sensed that something was wrong in here early and I am the lucky one to have a partner to discus issues with.
The sense of take over was in the air.

It is clear to me that a tyrant has run the show here fore some time !
And I am learning as Im going !

What I call a super manipulator !

Kind people don t what to dance with that kind of persons.

And I did start to feel that I was on deep water if I was to cope with a person like her in some kind of group in the future.

I Love all with no judgement people are as they are, and there is nothing to do about that, more than help those that is ready for change.

I have had forum my self and know how much work it is and also been co creating with others building networks.

In my world moderators are brave persons that can make own decisions and they have my full trust !

They are the spine of the creation.

If trust lacs then there is no other thing to do than remove the one that not resonate with the team.

Ethics are the ground stone !

Bill I must tell you a little secret ....... the idea of control is an ....... ILLUSION !

Please let us know how we can best help !

All Love

Maria

[Bill Ryan]

Also, I may comment on the king arthur second coming... Bill this is a tactic they use to discredit people. The Greys have tried to make me think I was the re-incarnation of so many people it's quite ridiculous and stupid.


If Bill is King Arthur who is Charles? Merlin? Lancelot? Mordred?

No, no, no, no - not a reincarnation. :)

A bloodline ancestor - was what Charles said. And I don't necessarily believe that anyway... though some aspects of this may fit when seen in some ways.

Please read again my post here: (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15437-An-important-announcement-following-the-closure-of-the-WORM-TONGUE-thread&p=163084#post163084)






Yes. It may or may not be true. My personal conviction is that it doesn't matter. I will not be presiding over any modern-day Knights of the Round Table.

Being associated with legendary historical figures can be much more of a curse than a blessing. I've spoken many times with David Wilcock about this, who is reasonably convinced that he was the great seer Edgar Cayce.

But whether he was or was not is totally besides the point. It doesn't matter whether you were a King, a beggar, or a great poet. It's how one relates to that concept that is the important factor. The great danger is that the present-day individual him- or herself may come to believe that they are not as important, significant and/or valuable as someone who is no longer alive.

It's who you are now that counts.

Note, incidentally, that Charles does not see me as the 'reincarnation of Arthur': just that he was a bloodline ancestor.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Yes. It may or may not be true. My personal conviction is that it doesn't matter. I will not be presiding over any modern-day Knights of the Round Table.

We have all been many things. This life is for this life. The past is just a distraction for most. This life has it's own lessons and no life is any more or less important than another. There's really only one of us here anyway.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Zook, he didn't have a choice...

what good is a sanctum without Avalon?

you been fishing lately?

[Sarlic]

I would also like to thank all the mods that are leaving and staying for making my life that much better

In the short time that i have been here i have learned so much from you and continue to do so, I cant thank you enough for that.

One more comment before i lose my job (posting at work at the mo)

There is only one way that Avalon can go from here and that is forwards and upwards.

John

[Carmody]

Some of this stuff is so real, when it comes to changes in energies/timelines/psychic/etc out there....that when certain posts were made, initially (at the start of this), by some of us....the power (in my house, for example) would go out or flicker...the moment we hit the 'send' button.

These are no joking matters, people. Powerful things be afoot. :)

[ThePythonicCow]

Thanks for the explanation, Bill. Legalistic ... but not the spirit of the law.
You are implying, Zook, that Bill was being dishonorable by violating the spirit of the law.

I object to that implication.

Bill was faithfully honoring the spirit of our agreement, as he understood and as at least one other, myself, understood it.

That you hold a different understanding does not justify casting aspersions on Bill.

(By the way, Zook, have you taken careful note of anything you might have said in that forum, to insure you never say the same thing again elsewhere? Did you carefully refuse to state anything, even the public and obvious, in that forum, out of concern doing so would forever deprive you of the right to utter such a thought or such words elsewhere again? ... I didn't think so.)

[Ahkenaten]

Yup Carmody thoughts made manifest, instant Karma so to speak. Dangerous stuff we must direct our minds and energies properly now....................

[Brodie75]

Hi Bill,

First I want to say that I was blown away by your response. Although we were all hoping to hear your response, I didn't think you would go into such detail. Like someone mentioned earlier, we needed the transparency, and I thank you for that. I hope everyone can learn something from this. We can now move forward.

I look up to as I would my own father. You wholeheartedly have my full support Bill.

I beleive the big lesson here IMO is transparency. It's what was and is needed for these matters to be avoided.
ps and of course a little retraint :rolleyes:

[karelia]

I look up to Bill, and even more so now. You know why? Because he never puts his ego above his vision of a better world, heck, not even his needs! If everyone would do the same, even if everyone did the same just once every day, we would already be living in something much more akin to paradise. My heart goes out to him, and I hurt for him, and with him, because what happened is more, far more, than a mere punch in the gut.

My heart goes out to Richard, too. When he wakes up to the truth, he'll likely feel not so good, and I only hope that his love is strong enough to survive that storm. Disabling the owner of a house from entering even one room is theft. Very uncool. May you heal from the trauma and forgive yourself and those involved.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

And the gangs all here. What do you say, we wrap this puppy up and start dancing again?!! This just goes on and on and on.

A happy note to end on follows:

Only when the mind has ceased churning can Spirit inhabit it. Even the churning of statements of Truth in mind block the actual awareness of the presence of Spirit from your consciousness because any activity of mind is not an activity of Spirit. Spirit is silence. Therefore only in the silent, empty, receptive mind can
Spirit become your vibrant awareness and tangible harmony.

"The Miracle Self, chapter 12, page 100, The Highest Form of Meditation."


Paul F. Gorman, Lyndum House, 12 High Street, Petersfield, Hampshire GU32 3JG, United Kingdom

Let's begin anew and stop trouncing on the tootsies! Dance nice, dance in harmony, dance because you love the music and because you can! xoxox


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UQ1W-J2gF8

[Arc]

Oh gosh, Friends. I'm a newer member, but I'm really feeling awful about all of this, unfolding this way here. I have been reading through lots of threads trying to piece it together, but I don't think I can make any judgments, nor should.

Here's what bothers me most. Avalon now suffers from the same infection as the world at large, which we are all trying to rise above, with the truth movement. Again, I will not choose sides, but honestly, I have read and enjoyed posts from all parties mentioned in the recent "schism". It's too bad to see another divide, especially here at Avalon, where duality consciousness has crept in more lately.

All the threads relating to this issue, remind me more and more of mainstream media distraction! If I want to read long discourse on He-said/She-said, to choose a side in an endless argument over negative energies, then I would easily go to a mainstream news site to read about Democrats/Republicans, Muslims/Christians/Jews, West/East, Red-States/Blue-States, Liberal/Conservative, Loyalist/Revolutionary, Good/Evil, (and our newest duality model proposed here on Avalon, Purist/Non-Purist - ugh), or dare to say - Bill/Kerry (I mean the 2009 split - but, that one seems to have just been healing wonderfully - new pics - love them!!) But, still...

Oh no! is Avalon falling into the pit that we are trying to rise above?? A microcosm of the endless, divisive media we want to cut through to find answers?? I know Bill has a critical role and needs to do some damage control to help us understand, so it makes sense that he must take various actions and make a few explanatory posts. But, none of us, who were not involved really will understand it - and why should we waste our energy on it all. My God, please Friends, let's get this behind us, and not judge anyone. I still loved reading lot's of the posts by those folks who are leaving us and will miss them. I also respect the decisions made by those still here.

I hope we can return to unity, and collectively join forces on uncovering the Truths of our times - forget blame games - simply give them no energy, and let them die.

Let's resolve not to become that which we seek to dispel. My respect and Love goes to all of Avalon, Past, Present (like me), and Future!!!

Group Hug?? ;)

[Chuck]

Please let me de-confuse you - and a number of others. A few of you understand what has happened. Many (include some of the ex-mods) do not.

Take deep breath and read all of what follows. Then you will understand.


Thank you Bill. <----- understatement of the day!

[granny]

Some of this stuff is so real, when it comes to changes in energies/timelines/psychic/etc out there....that when certain posts were made, initially (at the start of this), by some of us....the power (in my house, for example) would go out or flicker...the moment we hit the 'send' button.

These are no joking matters, people. Powerful things be afoot. :)
I asked about your chemtrail post becaue my husband and I have both been slightly ill and the sky has been full of chemtrails here ... except of course a couple of days ago when we got two inches of rain in one day ... thank goodness we live high up on a hill. I expect more rain within two days of the sky being filled with trails.
Gran

[aikya]

I just wrote out a heartfelt reply to Bill. I was sent to a page saying richard is not recieving PMs... This angers me quite a lot and I am not easily angered........

edit nvm, it appears the post was posted. Very fishy though. It was an odd page saying richard is not recieving Pms or something... Wish I got a screenshot..

I also had a problem just now sending a PM to Bill, after pressing the 'submit' button, I received a page asking me to log in - somehow in pressing 'submit' I was logged out. I logged in again, the PM had been sent. Probably a technical glitch..but thought I'd mention it.

[Icecold]

Omniverse said:


I'm speechless Bill. Well not anymore.... But was... Thank you so much for providing this much needed clarification. I take back my comment about wanting Richard and Celine to stay, it was in a way ignorant of me to say such without knowing the full story. This is beyond repair and would likely deteorate the forum to have anything close to this continually going on, and it is crystal clear where the origin of the problem is..

I sincerely love how you defend the underdog. I have been the same for quite some time. Such is a trait of a truly(trying not to say enlightened) benevolent individual that shows distinct signs of respectable qualities. I have nothing but respect for you Bill and I really mean that in a deep way. And I am not sucking up in the slightest. I'm being fully open with my views, as I often am. Injustice has always bothered me, and it very much seems like, I venture to say is reality, that you have been subjected to injustice in the actions of Richard and Celine.

I couldn't put it any better than this.

As a supporter of underdogs for most of my life, I resonate with your path along that road. And the bit about sleeping in your car, welcome to the sidewalk with the rest of us hobos.

I can understand how difficult it must have been to post that information. Bearing your soul to the public can be a cathartic experience....a bit like being stripped naked in the street. Well done, it shows bravery. Maybe you are the incarnation of Arthur? That name has been the middle name of first born males in my family for many generations. Its my middle name and the middle name of my eldest son.

I think Bill was really hurt by not having the support he needed. I've been in that situations on forums, so has Lord Sidious, its a very lonely position, waiting for someone to post in your support.

Having said all that....I refuse to bad mouth people I have considered friends. Its a loyalty thing.
I cannot and will not join any witch hunting comments regarding Celine. I'm not going there.

[SteveX]

SteveX,

The only part of your post that bothered me was the "Intellectually or otherwise" portion, it was unfair to anyone. I feel that we've witnessed enough elitism, don't you?

I didn't mean it to sound like Celine was thick but reading back I get what you thought. That was my error. I was refering to her being topically challenged in general. err let me clarify that even further. Answering to her posts in general. If it didn't side with her...sort of thing. Not intelectually...you get me...right?

[Rocky_Shorz]

eXchanger is back? woohooo!!!

[Carmody]

Yup Carmody thoughts made manifest, instant Karma so to speak. Dangerous stuff we must direct our minds and energies properly now....................

I've been doing my best to do this right. To not freak or create any untoward energy. To not 'imagine' myself into a corner (circling around and biting my butt) , while still trying to keep the imaginative and directed eye to the steering into clarity. At the same time I'v been trying to do things that are only 'real' I've also had to engage in speculation on unknowns, the half-seen things of the muse.

To try and bring those to the table of discussion without bias, or coloration.

Like this thing I just found. I don't know what it means..but here it is. (I have more data than this) the stick model for Lithium, the first solid in the table of elements, with the highest electrical potential (that I'm aware of)?

Note that alchemy is about using electrochemical potential on the individual atomic level for 'tuning' specific atoms (gold for example)apparently... so that it bridges two dimensions? then it is consumed so it then bonds to the DNA?

I just found this one yesterday. The timing is not lost on me. the lithium is in magenta.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Butyllithium-hexamer-from-xtal-3D-balls-A.png/220px-Butyllithium-hexamer-from-xtal-3D-balls-A.png

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Group Hug?? ;)

Group Hug! Oh, come on over here ~ yes, I talking to you, you, you! :hug:xoxox

[James Cook]

Bill, your god damned board is such a pain in my ass. I can't tell ya.
I don't have time to be indulging my idle curiosity. Yet, every time I think I'll just check in, quickly, and see if I can catch something that will help me better understand, and therefor contribute to the mission and purpose of the forum, which 'I believe' is important, useful, and sincere, I find myself stuck for hours. It is an interesting place.

As a complete outsider( I don't know anyone on this board, including Bill ) its my opinion that your behavior has been exemplary. ( certainly better then mine would have been ) The fact that you have given those who have a grievance, time and a chance to say what they will ( I believe you stated something to that effect ) speaks volumes to me as it should to those who would care about Honor, levelheadedness, and leadership.

This being my first, real foray into the alternative media, I'm evaluating everything and everyone. The members and their views. You and your character. Charles and his master. Not that my opinion is of any importance to any of you. But it is, obviously, important to me and any effort expended toward my contributions to this forum.

I only know what has been put forth in this thread and the few "comments" I have stumbled upon. And I'm sure the people mentioned above are fine individuals but I felt compelled to voice my view/support on this matter. I don't know why. take it for what its worth.

I will say that I haven't been a moderator of anything online for over eleven years. Since back on a few groups on IRC. I see not much has changed as far as operator/moderator drama goes. Misinterpretation, intrigue, and lack of inflection, facial expression/gesticulation, still play havoc with the human psyche when tasked in the virtual world.

On a lighter note... I like the general up-beat and supportive tone to the over-all interaction, here.
I think I'm warming up to it. ;)>

[Maria Stade]

The thing about Charles calling Celine is to me :blink:

He has gathered twisted information.

This is my question to Charles:


I need you to explain what you where doing.

Maria

[Tuza]

Well, got have me say. I do think it was a huge mistake on Richard's part to allow his wife access to the mod area and any other area that is only allowed for admin or mods. As much as she is your life partner and all the rest, that in itself has caused a huge sh.t storm and put you between a rock and a hard place Richard, think about next time and stand up to what you think is best for what your administering in future. And dont say it didnt cause problems because it bloody well did. I am not going into the he said, she said........but if Celine was informing Charles stuff on the phone, gossiping on chat, blocking other members from chat or getting her hubby to do it, that's not f...gin on. I know I couldnt access her profile page, that was obviously you doing that Richard..................not friggin good imho, very unprofessional.

That's my say about that but dont think I wont open my big mouth soon about other stuff, just me. You shouldn't be banning people for trying to inform members of the truth Bill, so your all wrong, the three of you, all of you have made mistakes and that's that. (Penguin time)

[enoch]

:(

hey Avalon !!!!
lighten the load
here Bill this will help you sleep :hug:

;)

Consequences
I get it
Now lets get to work
Grace mercy and peace to you all
Enoch

[Maria Stade]

Group Hug?? ;)

Group Hug! Oh, come on over here ~ yes, I talking to you, you, you! :hug:xoxox

Yeaaaaa !! :grouphug:

[Shairia]

I didn't mean it to sound like Celine was thick but reading back I get what you thought. That was my error. I was refering to her being topically challenged in general. err let me clarify that even further. Answering to her posts in general. If it didn't side with her...sort of thing. Not intelectually...you get me...right?

Steve...lmao...I think you'd better quit while your ahead. Yeah I think I understand now but I'm glad you cleared that up. We've all been there trust me.

[DianeKJ]

Bill, your god damned board is such a pain in my ass. I can't tell ya.
I don't have time to be indulging my idle curiosity. Yet, every time I think I'll just check in, quickly, and see if I can catch something that will help me better understand, and therefor contribute to the mission and purpose of the forum, which 'I believe' is important, useful, and sincere, I find myself stuck for hours. It is an interesting place.
I think I'm warming up to it. ;)>


LMAO! Dear Sir, I believe you owe me a new laptop. As I read your post I was laughing so hard, so unexpectedly that I spit a beverage all over my keyboard. Thank you!
-Di

[Lifesong]

Let's Dance!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15497-Let-s-Dance!&p=163173#post163173

[Janos]

In my previous post, Bill stated that “What you wrote was not accurate, well-informed, or fair...”

I will admit that it is entirely possible that it was not accurate. How could it be, when we do not have the full picture, and when it comes down to two sides who both believe they are correct.

I will also admit that it was not well-informed. After all, we are on the outside looking in, and trying to discern truth from the little drops of crumbs that we are given.

I will even admit that it may have not been fair. We all like to be 'fair', right?

Let's be fair.

Let's hear all sides of this story. As I said, shine a light in, shake the bag a bit, and see what falls out.

The truth will discern itself in the process. Do not fear the light, for the righteous have nothing to fear from it

Here's the other side of the story:

http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?13-What-happened-at-Project-Avalon-Richards-perspective

[Zook]

Thanks for the explanation, Bill. Legalistic ... but not the spirit of the law.
You are implying, Zook, that Bill was being dishonorable by violating the spirit of the law.

I object to that implication.

Bill was faithfully honoring the spirit of our agreement, as he understood and as at least one other, myself, understood it.

That you hold a different understanding does not justify casting dispersions on Bill.

(By the way, Zook, have you taken careful note of anything you might have said in that forum, to insure you never say the same thing again elsewhere? Did you carefully refuse to state anything, even the public and obvious, in that forum, out of concern doing so would forever deprive you of the right to utter such a thought or such words elsewhere again? ... I didn't think so.)

Paul,

I'm not a deceiver. So I don't need to worry about what I say ... so why would I take notes? Btw, it's curious that you would talk about aspersions yet make one up yourself , right here, in this very post of yours.

:smow::typing:

ps: It's not becoming of the Paul I used to know ... only yesterday.

[James Cook]

Bill, your god damned board is such a pain in my ass. I can't tell ya.
I don't have time to be indulging my idle curiosity. Yet, every time I think I'll just check in, quickly, and see if I can catch something that will help me better understand, and therefor contribute to the mission and purpose of the forum, which 'I believe' is important, useful, and sincere, I find myself stuck for hours. It is an interesting place.
I think I'm warming up to it. ;)>


LMAO! Dear Sir, I believe you owe me a new laptop. As I read your post I was laughing so hard, so unexpectedly that I spit a beverage all over my keyboard. Thank you!
-Di


Well, I don't know about a new laptop but if the chance arises I will buy you a new beverage, Diane. ;)>

[DianeKJ]

Bill, your god damned board is such a pain in my ass. I can't tell ya.
I don't have time to be indulging my idle curiosity. Yet, every time I think I'll just check in, quickly, and see if I can catch something that will help me better understand, and therefor contribute to the mission and purpose of the forum, which 'I believe' is important, useful, and sincere, I find myself stuck for hours. It is an interesting place.
I think I'm warming up to it. ;)>

LMAO! Dear Sir, I believe you owe me a new laptop. As I read your post I was laughing so hard, so unexpectedly that I spit a beverage all over my keyboard. Thank you!
-Di


Well, I don't know about a new laptop but if the chance arises I will buy you a new beverage, Diane. ;)>

Fair enough.... Top Shelf Margarita please! :)

[Mike]

Bill,

thanks for the great post. it seems to me that sometimes one must step out of character a bit to explain one's character to others. in other words, i know you're not one to toot your own horn unneccesarily, but it was refreshing to hear you speak so candidly about your attributes and your dedicated role as Avalon's founder.

upstate new york: add me to the list of potential sleeping destinations should you find yourself in the area.


best,
Mike

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Fair enough.... Top Shelf Margarita please! :)

Gosh, I can't turn my back for a second ~ Gotta watch you guys every moment! :nod: :jaw::nod:

[Zook]

Zook, he didn't have a choice...
what good is a sanctum without Avalon?
you been fishing lately?

Rocky,

Is there a point you are trying to make here? I see no content in the above.


:smow::typing:

[Carmody]

as for being on the line:

A bit of news.

I've even been given my own personal chemtrails.

Like Bill, I'm not freaking out about it.

This is getting serious, people.
Carmody ...
Please explain ... it is getting late for me ... was trying to have open mind ... but you know what happened ... yep ... brain fell out.

The pressure is not freaking me out. it did, at first. Then i just accepted it. I'm failing to indicate that it is I alone that have received at least one personally (seeming) directed chemtrail. right over my house.

right at dusk, when the air in the area is still. I just happened to be coming home at the time and saw it --as it was getting dark. I had a friend call and then told them.

He didn't believe me so I said, 'Get in your car and come over. See for yourself.'

He saw them. He saw that they slowly dispersed over the house (I am on the edge of a city, in the woods), and were very low. Definitely particulate and not some contrail. Obviously a chemtrail.

You can then understand that... things are afoot, when that sort of event happens.

Happened on Feb. 9th, about 7:40pm est. (that I saw it)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PS, I have stated that I precog the odd time. I precog things I'm directly involved in.

I precoged this entire (feel and action, not specifics) situation back in 1998-1999 or so, while in trance/meditation. (beginning of the mayan 8th world)

That there would be a forum..and a man would try to change the world......

I did a lateral shift through the world/dimensions/timelines....and worked my ass off to be here.

And here I am, in the thick of it.

And here we are.... days before the beginning of the 9th.

[An Cailleach]

Dear Bill

I am speechless after reading your post. I cried while reading it because I really felt your pain.

You had to bear your soul to defend your life's work and you have sky-rocketed in my estimation simply for doing that.

You truly are an amazing man. You have my support 100%, for whatever that's worth.

I admit I had nagging doubts earlier today because of the insinuations made by other members. Thankfully they were short-lived because your post cleared up everything that I needed to know.

Much love to you. I hope you sleep well tonight

Elva

Ps One other thing - when can we expect to see Charles actively back on the forum? Or is that on the cards at all?

[Icecold]

Thanks for the explanation, Bill. Legalistic ... but not the spirit of the law.
You are implying, Zook, that Bill was being dishonorable by violating the spirit of the law.

I object to that implication.

Bill was faithfully honoring the spirit of our agreement, as he understood and as at least one other, myself, understood it.

That you hold a different understanding does not justify casting dispersions on Bill.

(By the way, Zook, have you taken careful note of anything you might have said in that forum, to insure you never say the same thing again elsewhere? Did you carefully refuse to state anything, even the public and obvious, in that forum, out of concern doing so would forever deprive you of the right to utter such a thought or such words elsewhere again? ... I didn't think so.)

Paul,

I'm not a deceiver. So I don't need to worry about what I say ... so why would I take notes? Btw, it's curious that you would talk about aspersions yet make one up yourself , right here, in this very post of yours.

:smow::typing:

ps: It's not becoming of the Paul I used to know ... only yesterday.


I'm really going to miss you and your contributions on the 911 thread.

Take care old son. Stay in the game.

Whose going to take care of the two spooks now? :confused:

[jjl]

I am trying to recap what, I think, happened here.


There are a multitude of issues, and if we lay them out on this screen, maybe we can then give them some space to breathe.

Once laid out, then we can see what is our business and responsibility to solve as a community, and what is personal and should be left for the parties themselves to resolve - or not - between them.

So, What are the issues? There seems to many - correct me if I am wrong, I am trying to rely on memory here:

Gypsy Woman (GW) came on the scene presenting herself as new to forums. Some of think she misrepresented herself as a "newbie". Some think she is a plant, some think she is a victim, some think she is unstable and a provocateur, and some think she is dramatic but harmless.

Gypsy Woman (GW) was banned for an outburst against Spirit Wolf. Spirit Wolf was either targeted by GW or he targeted her.

GW went to Bill after being banned, and Bill vouched for her return saying she will come back with a vengeance. (Wielding a saber or something)

Celine feels that Bill divulged a confidence to Gypsy Woman that was then used against her? I think it had to do with the term, "bi-polar". Am I right on that?

Celine felt undermined by Bill's decision to back GW, and felt disrespected by it.

GW came back and started a rant thread. During this time she posted a picture of gun - which was removed by Mod. She had sent 14 members a PM that criticized Bill, Richard and Celine. IceCold said she directed a murderous vid directed at him, and accused him of threatening her and her son. Celine and her went back and forth with attacks. The thread was merged with another thread by Richard.

GW started another rant thread for Emma, and it was closed. GW was banned again for the PM's and threats?

Celine started the Worm Tongue thread because of the above and the stress and constraints put on Richard and other behind the scene issues she could not divulge - including a broken promise she said she had with Bill.

LeeB joined the thread calling himself a "guest," and some say he stirred up stuff with Celine. Richard stepped in to defend her and "snapped" making threatening remarks, and banned LeeB. Some say he made good points, some say he didn't deserve being attacked, some say he attacked Richard's wife and deserved what he got - out of honor.

Then there is the issue about PMs and whether Mods: can or cannot read them, whether they did or did not, whether they should or should not, and under what circumstances - if any.

What have I missed or gotten wrong?
Lee was demoted to guest after he was banned, when he was posting he was a real member, the second he was banned, the posting staus changed to "guest" by the fact he was banne. Guests can't post here

[jorr lundstrom]

So..............it just as Alice said, gets curioser and curioser.........AND SADDER AND SADDER AND DARKER AND DARKER. It is not a joke. This is real life here. Hmmmm...... I see some threads here: so Charles and Bill have an "Arthurian" connection on several levels that is playing out. One element of the destructive forces at work in here display other symbolism, namely the symbols of the ancient Tarot (cups, wands, coins and swords.) Women, wolves, wands, swords, coins, cups, and Gypsies (known for divination and necromancy using Tarot cards.) There are some very dark forces at work here, people and this ain't pretty on any level. I personally still have no idea who or what has been using PA as its chessboard/battlefield 'though I have a few theories, - but this, IMO - goes way, way beyond personality conflicts and workplace/disciplinary issues! I wish whoever, or WHATEVER has come in here to create discord and push things past the tipping point (under the principle of Order Out of Chaos) would pull up their long skirts and hoods and leave. This stinks and is not right on any level. What is manifesting here originates at the energetic level. Perhaps we should all look into our hearts and perform an exorcism, if need be, because one is clearly needed. And that includes me! This is not fake human suffering happening here, this is not virtual destruction, this is real. And for those who think they may they have won a skirmish in a larger war here, Karma is real, and there is no avoiding the consequences of our own actions. This is a play of ALL of our making! Is THIS what the Creator wishes us to do with our lives and energy? No, it sounds like the work of something quite different that does not love us and does not wish us well.

I still have hope that we can carry on, with the discernment not to be led around by our you-know-whats by the dark side of inner natures, and of others.

I personally hate to see the grim Jolly Roger hoisted over this place. Everyone is bleeding here, even if they do not know it yet. This is a very bad thing done here.

Sincerely,

Ahk

Ahkenaten. do you want me to declare to you all this about the sword, coin. cup. and wand?

In that case I do it here in the open so that everybody have the same chance to understand the meaning.:nod:

¤=[Post Update]=¤




Fair enough.... Top Shelf Margarita please! :)

Gosh, I can't turn my back for a second ~ Gotta watch you guys every moment! :nod: :jaw::nod:

:kiss:.......Ok?

[Icecold]

So..............it just as Alice said, gets curioser and curioser.........AND SADDER AND SADDER AND DARKER AND DARKER. It is not a joke. This is real life here. Hmmmm...... I see some threads here: so Charles and Bill have an "Arthurian" connection on several levels that is playing out. One element of the destructive forces at work in here display other symbolism, namely the symbols of the ancient Tarot (cups, wands, coins and swords.) Women, wolves, wands, swords, coins, cups, and Gypsies (known for divination and necromancy using Tarot cards.) There are some very dark forces at work here, people and this ain't pretty on any level. I personally still have no idea who or what has been using PA as its chessboard/battlefield 'though I have a few theories, - but this, IMO - goes way, way beyond personality conflicts and workplace/disciplinary issues! I wish whoever, or WHATEVER has come in here to create discord and push things past the tipping point (under the principle of Order Out of Chaos) would pull up their long skirts and hoods and leave. This stinks and is not right on any level. What is manifesting here originates at the energetic level. Perhaps we should all look into our hearts and perform an exorcism, if need be, because one is clearly needed. And that includes me! This is not fake human suffering happening here, this is not virtual destruction, this is real. And for those who think they may they have won a skirmish in a larger war here, Karma is real, and there is no avoiding the consequences of our own actions. This is a play of ALL of our making! Is THIS what the Creator wishes us to do with our lives and energy? No, it sounds like the work of something quite different that does not love us and does not wish us well.

I still have hope that we can carry on, with the discernment not to be led around by our you-know-whats by the dark side of inner natures, and of others.

I personally hate to see the grim Jolly Roger hoisted over this place. Everyone is bleeding here, even if they do not know it yet. This is a very bad thing done here.

Sincerely,

Ahk

Ahkenaten. do you want me to declare to you all this about the sword, coin. cup. and wand?

In that case I do it here in the open so that everybody have the same chance to understand the meaning.:nod:

¤=[Post Update]=¤




Fair enough.... Top Shelf Margarita please! :)

Gosh, I can't turn my back for a second ~ Gotta watch you guys every moment! :nod: :jaw::nod:

:kiss:.......Ok?

Watch yourself Jorr,


Ahk is the reincarnation of Matthew Hopkins, the Witch-Finder General of Essex.

He may order the inquisition to set up some stakes in Avalon's courtyard.

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/dms/lowres/dmsn110l.jpg

[sandy]

Bill, will you be allowing back "GypsyWoman"?

I'll answer that question indirectly. One of the things I would like to know as a fact (one way or another) is whether or not Gypsy Woman was going nuts with justified rage and indignation because she knew for sure that her PMs were being read in the name of 'investigation'.

Who Bill this just gets my goat!!!!

What is with you!!! It seems to me that you prefer to rescue and or protect those who have played a major role in the disintegration of this community. IMHO this includes GW and Charles/Atticus/BMW or wtf his real name is. As the CEO of this organization, you are the leader whether you like it or not and as the leader you have a responsibility to step up to the plate in many ways.

Honesty, transparency, humility, and genuine integrity is what is called for now. Stop with the nicety and call a spade a spade for once. What the heck is going on and where are you leading this community. YOUR the Leader so stop hiding behind umpires and stand up to the plate. You need to hit a home run with the truth about the games that are being played here and once all the cards are on the table people including my self can choose to fold or stay. I'm to old to be played with and won't allow it much longer.

And if you have a need to be a rescuer/hero and or protector then you might want to consider how long you have known GW and Charles/Atticus/BMW or wtf his name is, what benefit they have brought to you and or Avalon versus Richard and Celine.

I'm pissed at feeling played with and I don't like it so please get off the pot or s*&T.

I will keep my signature as this confrontation may be done in harsh words but it is done for the sake of

[thunder24]

The walls were breached, a battle insued, yet The Group still stands. Internal fighting can be soothing for the soul. Look aat the bright side, er body got a chance to see colors of people you might not thought were there. Reexamine yourselves in the mirror . Now everybody...on to the next, lets get on to the next one. Which one? the damn stair in the stair case going up!

[Sync]

Recent dissentions skew toward proof of the very stereotypes that are held for humanity by hidden hands.

The stereotypes are false yet deeply rooted.

Avalonian micro aggressions mirror the macro; they oscillate, reciprocate.

Standing waves serving as undergirding to ego and stagnation.

So many are watching.

Be mindful of the staining litmus.

We, of humanity, are capable of so much more.

Breath.

Remember who you are.

Think.

Was the dangled carrot poisoned?

Will we transcend and self-organize?

He who has not the spirit of this age, has all the misery of it.
-Voltaire

[Carmody]

So..............it just as Alice said, gets curioser and curioser.........AND SADDER AND SADDER AND DARKER AND DARKER. It is not a joke. This is real life here. Hmmmm...... I see some threads here: so Charles and Bill have an "Arthurian" connection on several levels that is playing out. One element of the destructive forces at work in here display other symbolism, namely the symbols of the ancient Tarot (cups, wands, coins and swords.) Women, wolves, wands, swords, coins, cups, and Gypsies (known for divination and necromancy using Tarot cards.) There are some very dark forces at work here, people and this ain't pretty on any level. I personally still have no idea who or what has been using PA as its chessboard/battlefield 'though I have a few theories, - but this, IMO - goes way, way beyond personality conflicts and workplace/disciplinary issues! I wish whoever, or WHATEVER has come in here to create discord and push things past the tipping point (under the principle of Order Out of Chaos) would pull up their long skirts and hoods and leave. This stinks and is not right on any level. What is manifesting here originates at the energetic level. Perhaps we should all look into our hearts and perform an exorcism, if need be, because one is clearly needed. And that includes me! This is not fake human suffering happening here, this is not virtual destruction, this is real. And for those who think they may they have won a skirmish in a larger war here, Karma is real, and there is no avoiding the consequences of our own actions. This is a play of ALL of our making! Is THIS what the Creator wishes us to do with our lives and energy? No, it sounds like the work of something quite different that does not love us and does not wish us well.

I still have hope that we can carry on, with the discernment not to be led around by our you-know-whats by the dark side of inner natures, and of others.

I personally hate to see the grim Jolly Roger hoisted over this place. Everyone is bleeding here, even if they do not know it yet. This is a very bad thing done here.

Sincerely,

Ahk

Ahkenaten. do you want me to declare to you all this about the sword, coin. cup. and wand?

In that case I do it here in the open so that everybody have the same chance to understand the meaning.:nod:

¤=[Post Update]=¤




Fair enough.... Top Shelf Margarita please! :)

Gosh, I can't turn my back for a second ~ Gotta watch you guys every moment! :nod: :jaw::nod:

:kiss:.......Ok?

The coming of the age of Aquarius....The age of Aquarius... is one of communication.

Shocking change is also Aquarius energies. Ruler: Uranus.

Also rules the internet and electricity.

The ninth day is too short ........for the action to take place on anything but a forum?

Think about it.

PS.... Calleman says the days/nights are......18 days long.

For us to evolve, apparently... we have to develop into an individual communicative/communicating individual- collective. And the next level is mental.

No secrets?

[Shairia]

Nope, sorry that change in energies was me, I just had a healing.:p

[Isthatso]

and I can just feel the peace wafting over Avalon like a gentle sea breeze on a hot summers day..

Warm wishes to all...

[Ahkenaten]

Sure Jorr - I would very much like to hear what you have to say. Problem is I am going to hit the sack now. Long day here on the ranch. Tomorrow maybe? And, Mr. IceCold, as usual: an impeccable sense of humor and discernment! It's all really a matter of semantics, isn't it? :cool: Ahk

[Chuck]

And now for something completely different...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfGpVcdqeS0&feature=fvsr



Sorry... couldn't resist... :p

[jorr lundstrom]

Dear Carmody. Last six month hardly a day has gone that I havent been schocked, more or less.

I feel wot this is about. And if I dont do this, who will?:llama:

I know about the amount of energi/18 days LOL

Right now I sleep one or two nights/ week. LOL

Right now I slept 36 hrs ago. LOL

[jorr lundstrom]

Sure Jorr - I would very much like to hear what you have to say. Problem is I am going to hit the sack now. Long day here on the ranch. Tomorrow maybe? And, Mr. IceCold, as usual: an impeccable sense of humor and discernment! :cool: Ahk

Ok Ahkenaten. I start to write in twelve hours in the thread I started to write about the sword, coin,cup and wand.

Sleep well.

[Icecold]

Carmody (astrologer's hat on)


The coming of the age of Aquarius....The age of Aquarius... is one of communication.

Shocking change is also Aquarius energies. Ruler: Uranus.

Also rules the internet and electricity.

The ninth day is too short ........for the action to take place on anything but a forum?



Today's Horoscope courtesy of Icecold Astrology Services.


Pisces - Deception and subterfuge :behindsofa:

Uranus - REVOLUTIONS :fencing:

[Tangri]

Mystique wrote

Celine feels that Bill divulged a confidence to Gypsy Woman that was then used against her? I think it had to do with the term, "bi-polar". Am I right on that?

If you are talking disorders here. It should be a clarification . Are you talking Personality or Mood Kind?
I do not think it is a mood type; like a bi-polar, My opinion is most likely Cluster B type

Levent tonga,

I saw in another post that you claim to be a child psychiatrist, is that true? If so could you explain why a professional psychiatrist would be making diagnoses of a potentially mentally ill person publically? Someone you have not personally assessed? And even if you did, why would you make a professional statement about a person's mental health in a forum? Ever heard of HIPAA laws?

I put my professional hat beside.
I was just protecting my budgie. Did you see my professional initials there?

[Samothrace]

Form an orderly line, and I will unsubscribe you one by one with my best wishes for wherever you choose to go next. You know, you don't have to be here.


You know when I joined this forum I had absolutely no idea who you were or any knowledge of your interviews on Project Camelot. I just ended up googling the site after an off-hand mention elsewhere. For the most part I thought this was a forum focusing on spirituality and real world solutions.

I lurked because I didn't think I had much to contribute, but did see how very little save absolute praise for you left the tongues of the members here. Honestly, after reading this post I really don't see why.



One piece of information that Charles shared with me back in August was that I am a unique individual and have been the subject of great interest because of that (and, simultaneously, became a problem).

It's because of my bloodline. I will not go into details. King Arthur was apparently a real-life ancestor. The Camelot connection was an unconscious RE-connection. Charles' 18 is because he is wanting to recreate the Knights of the Round Table. He sees me as the Second Coming of Arthur. He's doing this in a way that is causing various kinds of chaos - but he means well. It's the walk-on-red crossing of all administrative and procedural boundaries and guidelines that has caused all the many problems.

Even ignoring the blatant egoism present in the rest of your post, the above reeks of bat**** crazy and megalomania. I really wish I would have done some research before coming here. Unsubscribe me please.

[humanalien]

Thank-you Bill

I appreciate you letting everyone know what was happening in the
background that virtually no one else was privy to.

I was having a rough time understanding why you would ban Richard
and Celine and now i know why.

I had no idea that Celine had access to the admin/mod controls for
this forum and that alone would be reason enough to ban someone.

I always wondered why she acted like she had some kind of power
around here when she was listed only as a member. She has even
mentioned herself at times that people came to her for this or that
and now i know why that was to.

Although i don't think i verbally damned you for any reason, i do
what to apologize for doubting your actions in this matter.

I still believe though that in the future that no one mod or admin
has the power alone to ban someone. I think all the powers that
be on this forum should have a vote on who gets banned.

I still believe in a three strikes and your out policy to. I'd leave
the details of the form of punishment up to you.

What do you say Bill? Sound like a plan?

[Carmody]

Sure Jorr - I would very much like to hear what you have to say. Problem is I am going to hit the sack now. Long day here on the ranch. Tomorrow maybe? And, Mr. IceCold, as usual: an impeccable sense of humor and discernment! :cool: Ahk

Ok Ahkenaten. I start to write in twelve hours in the thread I started to write about the sword, coin,cup and wand.

Sleep well.

I was very very nervous and wanted resolution --yesterday. On what...I did not know.

I do single card draws on the tarot.

I drew The Fool. Inverted.

Reversed Meaning:

A warning against Rash Decisions. Resist pressures from others until you have the facts, rather than falling headlong into a situation that threatens to overwhelm you. Think before you act, no matter how beguiling an opportunity appears; it is only appearance, not reality.....

I just asked about this situation. I drew the two of discs. (upright) (You'll have to look that one up on your own folks!:) )

[Lifesong]

Perhaps this is timely...

Coast to Coast tonight:

Electronic Harassment (Wed 03-02)

First Half: Dr. John Hall talks about his work with victims of electronic harassment, stalking, and mind control and how this CIA/NSA technology is being used to track, intimidate, and even read the thoughts of people.

[RAKMEiSTER]

Form an orderly line, and I will unsubscribe you one by one with my best wishes for wherever you choose to go next. You know, you don't have to be here.


You know when I joined this forum I had absolutely no idea who you were or any knowledge of your interviews on Project Camelot. I just ended up googling the site after an off-hand mention elsewhere. For the most part I thought this was a forum focusing on spirituality and real world solutions.

I lurked because I didn't think I had much to contribute, but did see how very little save absolute praise for you left the tongues of the members here. Honestly, after reading this post I really don't see why.



One piece of information that Charles shared with me back in August was that I am a unique individual and have been the subject of great interest because of that (and, simultaneously, became a problem).

It's because of my bloodline. I will not go into details. King Arthur was apparently a real-life ancestor. The Camelot connection was an unconscious RE-connection. Charles' 18 is because he is wanting to recreate the Knights of the Round Table. He sees me as the Second Coming of Arthur. He's doing this in a way that is causing various kinds of chaos - but he means well. It's the walk-on-red crossing of all administrative and procedural boundaries and guidelines that has caused all the many problems.

Even ignoring the blatant egoism present in the rest of your post, the above reeks of bat**** crazy and megalomania. I really wish I would have done some research before coming here. Unsubscribe me please.

yep

drop GW/H/C -branch and same linked bills "handler". to whom eludes.
rest will be exposed sooner than later in this year of change that will go faster than you can see.

beside that you lost more than a year since with C, time speeds up in the same spacetime.

and check newprophecy.net your not arthur bill. and its nice they tell ya ya one of the 147 bloodlines.

1 coin has 2 sides and 1 band going round it. yet its all connected.

dragon vs snake (both are the same side ) both must go.

[Omni]

Go back and read CAREFULLY... Bill was talking of BLOODLINES and NOT incarnations...


Note, incidentally, that Charles does not see me as the 'reincarnation of Arthur': just that he was a bloodline ancestor.

I apologize, I like Bill, was up all night last night. Still, it's not impertinent information. I hadn't read Bill's later post yet regarding it and his rejection of it. Either way one of the tactic used to discredit people is now known by more people. So I'd post the same thing again(maybe in a different thread) if I could do it again. It speaks towards his comment on the man who thought he was Edward Cayce as well, which was relevant.

[modwiz]

And now for something completely different...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfGpVcdqeS0&feature=fvsr



Sorry... couldn't resist... :p

"Let's not go there, it's a silly place".

No dig at Kerry here.

[Shairia]

Hmmmmmmmmm strange comment Modwiz.

[Tangri]

[QUOTE=Dennis Leahy;162628][QUOTE=Northern Boy;

[
#321 Dennis if need be i could tell you things about Celine and Richard that would in fact allow you to understand to a greater depth of what`s going on then you are aware of It would change many heres opinion of this site and as far as Bill goes he is not the man you see on camera or here in this forum there is another side to him you will never know

All this friggening talk of ego take your Eckhart Tolle crap and shove it. There is an even larger problem going on here its called blind stupidity .

Despite what you Think Bill doesn`t have all the answers but how many times do i see the words " Wonder What Bill`s take on this is " And what do we conclude from it ? Let me spell it out if Bill says is ok then good enough for me. Whats wrong scared to make a decision for yourselves? i could put so much more in here But I`m holding off . But i will add this Bill can not walk on water nor turn it to wine he is no smarter then some others i have met on this forum> He has a vision of what he wants to see and is allowing you to do his brainstorming and create it along with him. But in the end his vision will still contain a hierarchy and thus we chase our tails once again

Gypsy woman I`m willing to bet Bill has made arrangements to have her reinstated as well as Lee . I for one would have ripped her a new a ss ages ago but held back out of respect Richard and some others . She has no business here and to use a quote from one that he used when JT was shown the door " I think She Is off her meds"


I know something but I PM ed to some one, I do not need to tell you. But if I tell you it would not be a secret I know the secret .I can tell you but may not . She is right but maybe she is not. But I know the truth and you will never learn it. I talk to someone he told me the truth
I was crying then my husband get upset to him. I can cry because I am a women. Maybe I can take your head of with blood everywhere then you can say sorry to my wife.
Or, I saw a Jack Nicholson movie he was using my words.
What is it going on in this circus?
Anyone? Some one has to talk maybe at off topic(closed to the earthling)
Ok ... now I am really confused. What in the horse's butt does that mean?
gran <---totally am not understanding.
:)

Bold one was my exaggerated understanding on the subject, with Northern boy's posts and other's explanations about the last chaos.
Everybody's comment was cryptic, mine was just tried to mimic them. if you follow the tread you will find the clues.

[sandy]

In physics there is a word term called a resultant for those unaware of its meaning

re·sult·ant/riˈzəltnt/
Noun: A force, velocity, or other vector quantity that is equivalent to the combined effect of two or more component vectors acting at the same point.
Adjective: Occurring or produced as a result or consequence of something. More »

http://www.google.ca/dictionary?q=resultant&langpair=en|en&hl=en&sa=X&ei=54huTcTBO8H78Abj4I3_Dg&ved=0CBwQmwMoAA


What goes out often times comes back. So what has been going out from this site that is causing this energy to come back to it in this way . Once again you need to dig under the surface here to find out

You believe this site is the Holy Grail? Its really not its just a tool to use. When we are done with tools we put them away so we know where they are when we need them next time. Sometimes tools get broken and need to be replaced . For those that stay here long enough you will find out that this tool is in need of grave repair. Thru neglect and Misuse , i won`t say who has neglected it or misused it but it has happened

I agree Northern Boy and there is a mountain to climb in lessons. I pray that the lessons will come thru and will be shared for all our learning. With that I believe TRUST can be restored.

Thank you for your post:)

[Chuck]

"Let's not go there, it's a silly place".

No dig at Kerry here.

LOL indeed modwiz

[Ultima Thule]

Thank you Bill!

As I have at other times posted, you have taught me what it is to be a gentleman.
I feel a gentleman should not be challenged over and over again. Bill and Charles seem to share a similar position: fire at will, why is that, I ask you? I find that completely unfair - I feel both of them representing straight, honest way of interaction, sometimes with limited room to maneuver in. How many times a gentleman must ask to trust that they know what they are doing?

Perhaps the most important questions before questioning Bill would be to oneself: As I am staying in Bills "home", what have I done to benefit PA, in return for Bill "accommodating" me? Do I really, really, really know enough to pass judgement on anybody? Am I really in a position to comfortably be launching a stone?

->

Words of wisdom:
1. From my sisters boyfriend: when you really feel urged to do something immediately - it is usually a bad idea, wait and if you still feel like it after a week, then it perhaps has some merit to it.
2. From a former work mate of mine: I label people in two sections, the ones I would go fishing with and the ones I would not wan´t to be stuck in a small boat with.

Bill, if you ever come to Finland, I have a small boat, a few fishing rods and would absolutely love to be stuck in it with you!

[Lord Sidious]

Love the colour my Lord, thought it was agent orange first, then I thought it was a fertilizer. And at last I saw there was a retarded explanation.

Well, being an expert on carrots, wot do yuo say. are here any carrots posting on PA? Sometimes I feel a distinct scent from some postings.

Could you elaborate on this, please, please, please. please. ple

Do you have any idea how expensive that one drop was?
234,745 carrots went into that mix.
Man, did the Imperial Treasury take a hit. I am gonna have to raise taxes on the Hutts to make up for it now.
Dunno about carrots posting on Avalon, but I think there could be some lemons.




You know Lord Sidious you are seriously creating malnourishment for the entities who are feasting here.

Good job!

Thanks nuggetwiz.
We have a paradigm in play at the moment.
A shortage of moderators and an excess of nuggetry.
So, the answer is carrots.


I am not bound for any public place, but for ground of my own where I have planted vines and orchard trees, and in the heat of the day climbed up into the healing shadow of the woods.
~ Wendell Berry

Can we move past this and let the healing begin?

Excellent question.
Thanks for that quote, in return, I offer you this.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg-Lhlx8uBA&feature=player_embedded

Back Home in Derry.


Good Morning Good Avalon Good Bill,

Bill, I think it unfortunate that you took this course of action with respect to Richard and Celine. You owe them both an apology, at the very least.

I came to Avalon about six months ago because I believed in your integrity. I believed in the man in the famous hat that I had seen in all those videos. I trusted in his view of the world, and in the way he treated people. A genteel soul and a group leader. Sadly, I must leave now because the illusion of an enlightened soul and a gentle man ... has been replaced with the tragic reality of a man burdened with ego, beset with misguided purpose, quick to throw friends under the bus, never admitting to fallibility when his mistakes are pointed out to him, overrules consensus decisions arrived by the moderating staff to protect the integrity and charter of Avalon ... in short, an autocrat. I think you were a good man - and deep inside, may still be a good man ... but you have clearly lost your way. I would be delinquent in my duty as an Avalonian, and as a friend to the genuinely great people and passengers on the ship of Avalon (that I have come to respect and love) ... if I kept silent on these observations.

The Ship of Avalon is a volunteer argosy. We are all here with our time and energy to try and make the sail a clean one, an informational one, an adventurous one. The charter is is essentially round table in design (e.g. a ship of equals); but even a ship of equals requires a crew. And Bill, to your credit, you were a good Captain for much of the early voyage. But sometimes, in the fog, even good captains lose their way. Unless there is a lighthouse to warn of danger, the ship will run aground in the night. To this, the moderating team was that lighthouse ... aboard the ship but also on the boulders of the rugged shore. Two places at once. And in that lighthouse - while I've been here - Richard was the large light bulb. Without his dedication and love for the ship and voyage, this sail would've grounded long ago. I have not one bad word to say against him. And if you had been thinking clearly, neither would you. Celine is a good heart. I know her basically through her posts on Avalon as you all do. I have only positive things to say about her, also. If she has a fault, maybe it is being too open with her heart. But that's not really a fault as much as an inconvenience to those not used to loving energy. Certainly, Avalonians could use some love these days.

I made the final decision to deMOD myself after I'd seen this post of yours today. It reeks of throwing a good faithful friend under the bus - who's always had the best interests of Avalon and yourself at heart ... and promoting yourself as the white knight riding in to save Avalon. Sorry ... I've always been a straight shooting son of a hitch (Mom and Dad got together in 1962) ... and so i have to call it like I see it, whatever the consequences. Something has happened to you Bill. I don't know what. But it has taken a good man to bad places. Only you can fix yourself and your compunction for autocracy. Maybe then, you will be right again to captain this ship to the adventures on the high seas. I say this with all good intentions for you. Even as I leave the Avalon crew alongside other good people - all exceptional souls - I wish you the very best in the future.

Humble opinions all around.

:smow::typing:

ps: To all Avalonians, including those I've disagreed with in the past ... you have my love and respect.

ps2: In the end, it wasn't a gypsy ... or one to kill a mocking bird ... it was AUTOCRACY.



Not Zooknugget too?
Damn. You make Sith Lords sad.


Dear All,

I appreciate the clarification offered here by Bill, with regards to Richard and Celine's parting.

I can attest that the pressures of moderating and administrating a forum of this size are immense, and Richard has been the primary Admin for some time. Richard has performed his tasks and duties with the utmost respect and professionalism and the events leading up to this situation have been brewing for some time. I have only kind things to say about about them both.

Out of respect for Richard and Celine as friends, as well as the very tight circle of moderators which we have here, I will refrain from commenting on the situation further. I also do this out of respect for Bill and what he has done--this effort cannot be overlooked.

It is a very difficult situation for a moderator to be in...as one user above pointed out, it is a voluntary duty.

I am going to be taking some time away to think.

Yet, I will remain on Avalon as always, and I hope I may continue to contribute in whatever way I can--however barring any unforeseen events, I will be doing this without a Mod-hat on.

I believe strongly in what we do here...sharing with each other.

That will continue.

In the light of the One,

Hiram

Thanks for your past service Hiram.
And especially for staying around.


For me to post without reading the whole thread first is unusual but this is an unusual thread!

1. It is NOT a sad day for Avalon at all. It may or may not be sad for those that engaged mouth before brain but nobody else.

2. Anyone that thinks the internet (as in any forum, PMs or not) is a private place seriously needs a check up from the neck up!

3. Personally a high post count here is not something to be proud of. You are in effect telling us all you have no life outside this forum. So why would anyone listen to one who lacks such life experience.
It is like listening to children. We listen, give feedback, are not condecending but we certainly don't take them seriously.

4 Psychiatric Institutions (some) do have the internet, therefore I understand why one might have a high post count if they have nothing else to do while in there.
This forum however may not be the best place for those with 'issues' what with all the 'truth seeking' going on. Especially if you already have your work cut out deciding what is real and what is not.

And your post helps to heal us all how?
And thanks for the slur on our members by mentioning mental institutions, that is real low.
Carrots are on the way to you now.



Please let me de-confuse you - and a number of others. A few of you understand what has happened. Many (include some of the ex-mods) do not.

Take deep breath and read all of what follows. Then you will understand.


You know Bill, the first thing that comes to mind after reading this is piggy in the middle.
Have you ever participated in that? Where 3 guys are trying to keep the ball off the guy in the middle?
That is how that all looks, with you in the middle, excuse being called piggy, that is the term.

It's sad to see the team that a lot of us respect and love fall apart.
Regardless of the whys, it is still sad.
Thank you for the explanation.
Best wishes to you Bill, but no carrots.


Bill thank you for taking the time to share that, I'm certain it wasn't easy. I'm not going to pretend that I understand every nuance of what is going on behind the scenes. I do know we have work to do, broken pieces to clean up.

I hold space in my heart for everyone on Avalon, even those who are leaving us.

It is time to build instead of tear down.
Namaste,
Di

Here it is folks, a doer post. And even better, a rebuild and heal post with no ill will to anyone.
An AVALON post.
Let's all be Avalon.
Oh, and no carrots for you either.




I think Bill was really hurt by not having the support he needed. I've been in that situations on forums, so has Lord Sidious, its a very lonely position, waiting for someone to post in your support.

Having said all that....I refuse to bad mouth people I have considered friends. Its a loyalty thing.
I cannot and will not join any witch hunting comments regarding Celine. I'm not going there.

Like someone else here said, I assumed that Bill would have an absolute torrent of PMs and so I didn't send him anything, working on the basis that too much is TOO MUCH.

I live in the situation of posting what I believe and having it knocked down, ridiculed, or misunderstood.
Not so much here though, at least not now.
When I first got here that happened a bit, but I stand for what I believe is truth and that doesn't require support.
In this life, I have always been a bit of an icebreaker out there in the cold, cracking up the ice for others to have an easier way through.
It isn't easy, but life wasn't meant to be.
Like you, I don't think badmouthing would help now as we should be looking at moving forward and healing all those damaged, whether here, banned or leaving.
No carrots for you either.


Recent dissentions skew toward proof of the very stereotypes that are held for humanity by hidden hands.

The stereotypes are false yet deeply rooted.

Avalonian micro aggressions mirror the macro; they oscillate, reciprocate.

Standing waves serving as undergirding to ego and stagnation.

So many are watching.

Be mindful of the staining litmus.

We, of humanity, are capable of so much more.

Breath.

Remember who you are.

Think.

Was the dangled carrot poisoned?

Will we transcend and self-organize?

He who has not the spirit of this age, has all the misery of it.
-Voltaire

Poisoned carrots? What criminals would do such a thing?




The coming of the age of Aquarius....The age of Aquarius... is one of communication.

Shocking change is also Aquarius energies. Ruler: Uranus.

Also rules the internet and electricity.

The ninth day is too short ........for the action to take place on anything but a forum?

Think about it.

PS.... Calleman says the days/nights are......18 days long.

For us to evolve, apparently... we have to develop into an individual communicative/communicating individual- collective. And the next level is mental.

No secrets?

Age of Aquarius? Yeah, we can do that.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0G8XJNz4bY

I always liked that tune.

[Shairia]

I see the spider is still looking for flies.

[modwiz]

Hmmmmmmmmm strange comment Modwiz.

I'm a strange person. I was born blue. Umbilical cord around my neck. Should I be banned?

[Shairia]

Sounds good to me.

[modwiz]

Sounds good to me.

Just the compassion we are looking for.

It is the Scorpions nature to sting

[Dennis Jonathan]

Thank you for clearing that up Bill. I agree with the comments that it took a good deal of courage to open up like that, and I commend you for it.

The first thing I thought when reading your post was "ahh, so is that all?".

Not to diminish the emotional exchange of any involved, but just to categorize it.

When discrepencies and secrets are vaguely eluded to, it is natural for the imagination to run wild. To read that this was simply a matter of power struggle - meets - spousal priviledge - meets - growing pains - meets - unintended offense - was quite a relief.

I've seen these acts play out dozens of times across a variety of mediums. The perfect storm of emotional interaction colliding into an alignment shift.

Some wounds heal quickly, others take time. Therefore, I believe, it is for the best that some parted ways. Some who have left feel the fresh pain of emotional hurt. The kind that needs time apart to heal. Some who are not injured, have moved on to help dear friends on the mend.

Regardless, we are still one world, one existence, one people, One.

No amount of in-fighting, and hurtful words can ever change that.

[Lord Sidious]

Hmmmmmmmmm strange comment Modwiz.

I'm a strange person. I was born blue. Umbilical cord around my neck. Should I be banned?

Maybe a good thrashing with some rhubarb, but banning? No.
Hang on, you might like the rhubarb thrashing.
Ok, I shall ponder this.

[Shairia]

Sounds good to me.

Just the compassion we are looking for.

Oh I have plenty of compassion for those deserving of it.

[jcocks]

Hmm...

Corect me if I'm wrong, but did I just witness history repeating itself? I'm not going to go over and read the last 34 pages of discussion (at least) - I'll never get it done.... And I don't pretend to understand what's really going on here... I have the utmost respect for Celine and Richard, and the behaviour that's happened over the last day or two from them sounds very out of charector.... But again, I'm not privvy to all the nuances of what has occurred...Suffice to say, I think this is the perfect opportunity for a clean slate and getting on with the job at hand. Let's try to make sure this doesn't happen again :)

Love and light to you all :)
Joel

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

May we all take a moment and ... ah scrap that. Everything has gone pear shaped anyway. But I do believe that we'll all make good from this scenario. A little eruption in the huge volcano we have here called Mt Avalon. I always try and see the good that can come from the bad. I feel like good times are ahead. I find it seriously old fashioned to sit at the back and say " things have become bad and it's not like it used to be blah blah blah "

To a new beginning.

Oh and to Lord Sidious whom has really tried to make good from bad. Love that and the carrot thing. Before I came on the thread I was helping a new performer decide what he wanted to juggle and I had told him to juggle carrots and eat them. I insisted on it.. He has promised to do so. Then I came here and saw your carrot theme.. made me laugh.

Here's something else you can do with your carrots.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHV5ukFL0NU

Peace

Ski-

[Lord Sidious]

Thanks for that, I always found traditional Japanese music fascinating.
I could tell you it resonates within me, but that would be an understatement.
My intent is that instead of us all being part of Avalon, we BECOME Avalon.
And I will drag you all kicking and screaming over that line.
Some of you will have carrots in various orifaces, but you are coming too.

[Isthatso]

Still a bit of stone throwing going on ....:rant:..... but nearly there....... :grouphug:

It's kinda like 'The Rapture' around here........

Can't wait for the new interviews....

Warm wishes

[FearNot]

Dear Bill, Richard, Celine and all Avalon members and readers:

I'm no scientist but I do feel that strong energies from the cosmos are affecting all of us on Earth right now and what has happened here at Avalon is a precursor to what will be happening on a larger scale shortly when masses of people awaken - strong emotions, miscommunications, fear, anger, and an insatiable desire/anxiety to seek the truth about who we are and how we got here. How we handle ourselves, how we discipline ourselves to look for the highest good, how we treat each other - all these are the tests that are here now for us to learn from. I personally am barely passing any of these tests and generally suck big time in my personal life right now :rain:but like many of you check in here at Avalon to find strength, read the gems written by some ultra intelligent wise souls, explore the answers to the seemingly endless array of possible earth change scenarios, and have the occasional gasp and laugh.

I do applaud all three of you Bill, Richard and Celine for your hard work and love and efforts and courage. Here is a flower inspired quote for you Richard and Celine my fellow Canadians:

Mark Twain said: "Forgiveness is the scent of the violet on the heal that crushes it." May you both be well, flourishing, and happy always.

To you Bill, I wish you were closer so I too could help keep you out of the cold right now. Please, if you are dealing with survival issues which we all do from time to time please focus on yourself first - you don't have to save the world or even Avalon for that matter - you and Kerry and all your moderators at both sites have done so much already to help raise consciousness and share such critical information for our times - heros and knights in shining armour all!

The photos posted of you both at the UFO conference exude an enormous amount of love and light, it shines through brightly, may it serve as a protection from any hurt that you feel now and forever. I am sorry that forum members say hurtful things that we would never dare say to one another if we were looking into each others eyes in person where we could see the immediate reaction of hurt, sorrow and pain we cause.

Brightest light and love and hugs to all,
Deborah

P.S. For what it is worth, Calleman thinks that March 9th is the dawn of the Unity Wave, the 18 day period that propel a process designed to lead the universe and the human beings to their highest state of consciousness - not a moment too soon me thinks! http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/dawn_of_the_unity_wave.htm

[Isthatso]

Thanks for that, I always found traditional Japanese music fascinating.
I could tell you it resonates within me, but that would be an understatement.
My intent is that instead of us all being part of Avalon, we BECOME Avalon.
And I will drag you all kicking and screaming over that line.
Some of you will have carrots in various orifaces, but you are coming too.

With you on that - but I'll be protecting my orifaces....

[Chakra]

Dear Bill, Richard, Celine and all Avalon members and readers:

I'm no scientist but I do feel that strong energies from the cosmos are affecting all of us on Earth right now and what has happened here at Avalon is a precursor to what will be happening on a larger scale shortly when masses of people awaken - strong emotions, miscommunications, fear, anger, and an insatiable desire/anxiety to seek the truth about who we are and how we got here. How we handle ourselves, how we discipline ourselves to look for the highest good, how we treat each other - all these are the tests that are here now for us to learn from. I personally am barely passing any of these tests and generally suck big time in my personal life right now :rain:but like many of you check in here at Avalon to find strength, read the gems written by some ultra intelligent wise souls, explore the answers to the seemingly endless array of possible earth change scenarios, and have the occasional gasp and laugh.

I do applaud all three of you Bill, Richard and Celine for your hard work and love and efforts and courage. Here is a flower inspired quote for you Richard and Celine my fellow Canadians:

Mark Twain said: "Forgiveness is the scent of the violet on the heal that crushes it." May you both be well, flourishing, and happy always.

--------------------
P.S. For what it is worth, Calleman thinks that March 9th is the dawn of the Unity Wave, the 18 day period that propel a process designed to lead the universe and the human beings to their highest state of consciousness - not a moment too soon me thinks! http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/dawn_of_the_unity_wave.htm

The issues you have brought up here regarding the emotional extremes are bang on - I have been putting out fires between really good people all week! It is like the intensity of the solar energies have been pushing peoples buttons BIG TIME!

Things said or being written I am seeing being totally miss-understood. Seems everything is being put under a magnifying glass.
Cheers
Renee

[sygh]

Can the moderators and the administrators read the PMs and are they free to do so?

I'll answer this one in a generic sense.

You must never assume that any computer system, such as a forum, is operated in true privacy.

At all times, always, you rely on the integrity of the person/people who are in control of the technology.

If such people have a different outlook, different agenda, or hidden objectives, then that sort of trust is misplaced.

It basically comes down to this: NEVER write anything in a PM on a forum that you couldn't really stand behind if it became public.

Simply write everything assuming it already IS being read by others.

Finally, it depends on the forum software, how it is configured and at what level of integrity the admins/mods operate. But yes, there is theoretically NOTHING that stops them from accessing anything and everything if they CHOOSE to do so.

Or to share it with people that do not have such access.

Funnily enough, I was warning people about that EXACT same thing just in the last 24 hours. I hope they are taking notes.

Finally, a practical answer: If you have the need to have a private conversation, use the PM facility to exchange details on Skype IDs, email addresses or other such methods so the conversation can take place under the noses of different computer techs, admins and mods that have no knowledge or investment in what you end up sharing.


EDIT: (an afterthought - sorry)

And a warning: Just because you DELETE something and it disappears from view? It is probably not gone. Just flagged to no longer be displayed. Think about that before you write anything.

I was worried about that too. Not the part where anything you write doesn't disappear, that's fine with me, I could care less. In all the time I've been affiliated with Project Avalon, or Project Camelot, I've probably not sent more than 10-12 PMs to anyone, and had really just started PM'ing most recently. I don't like pitting anyone against anyone else. I don't want to hurt people I don't know, and I don't want to be used to hurt anyone else. I hope that is understandable to eveyone. All we can do is try our hardest be kind, and if we are wrong, admit it. If there is something bothering me I ask, along with a -please tell me if I'm in error, and try to see the situation as it is, not as a personal attack, I don't know you, it's the subject matter. I have to ask; how else can I find out, etc... Sometimes, that's all you can do. And I do make errors, not intentionally but none the less.

[thewebkid]

This song is playing right now on my internet radio as I peruse this thread. Seems like a good one for all of us...
http://listen.grooveshark.com/s/Divided+united/2BQJqw?src=5

Sending my heart to all parties and imagining what it would be like to be in each person's shoes.

[Anchor]

.........


This too shall pass

It has happened before it will most likely happen again.

As predicted - groups will split and reform.

It is a gradual and natural process.

People grouping into clusters of like mindedness and vibration. Same in forums as in real life.

There are no clear winners today, no clear losers.

We are just individuals at play in our roles, just people being part of the one infinite creator doing its through the great illusion of third density - an illusion that wanes for us, some days more than others.

Final thought for this rough day: "What is done in the dark, will be shown in the light"

John..

[Teakai]

Geez, Bill. You remind me of Jesus - only you have more Judases - or is that Judi?

;)

Love to you, Bill.

[Lord Sidious]

.........


This too shall pass

It has happened before it will most likely happen again.

As predicted - groups will split and reform.

It is a gradual and natural process.

People grouping into clusters of like mindedness and vibration. Same in forums as in real life.

There are no clear winners today, no clear losers.

We are just individuals at play in our roles, just people being part of the one infinite creator doing its through the great illusion of third density - an illusion that wanes for us, some days more than others.

Final thought for this rough day: "What is done in the dark, will be shown in the light"

John..

It is one of the cycles of life.
We can't stay with the same people our whole lives, but it is how we depart that shows who and what we are.

[Shairia]

No your wrong about that Lord Sith/Charles/Atticus, it's how we treat people along the way that really shows who we are.

[Teakai]

Maybe a good thrashing with some rhubarb, but banning? No.
Hang on, you might like the rhubarb thrashing.
Ok, I shall ponder this.

Hmmmmm, first threats with carrots, and now with rhubarb - there's something not very fishy about this.
:)

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Can somebody please PM me the "forum next door" Richard speaks of in his final message. Thank you.

[Shairia]

.........


This too shall pass

It has happened before it will most likely happen again.

As predicted - groups will split and reform.

It is a gradual and natural process.

People grouping into clusters of like mindedness and vibration. Same in forums as in real life.

There are no clear winners today, no clear losers.

We are just individuals at play in our roles, just people being part of the one infinite creator doing its through the great illusion of third density - an illusion that wanes for us, some days more than others.

Final thought for this rough day: "What is done in the dark, will be shown in the light"

John..


Yes John some of us always knew your role, didn't we????

[Inanna]

Seems to me (but I'm a newbie here) that there are a lot of members here with way too much free time on their hands...

[Shairia]

Maybe you lost your way and should be logged in at the other forum.

[write4change]

Modwiz.

I am going to take a ritual bath now. I just spent a lot of time posting to the thread that got closed. I thought it was very reflective and raised the right questions. I wanted you and told you I was interested in your answers. If you think it is a valid post. Please repost it here so we can see what others think too.

[Isthatso]

.........




People grouping into clusters of like mindedness and vibration.

John..

Yes......I agree and can feel it.

Warm wishes...

[Lord Sidious]

No your wrong about that Lord Sith/Charles/Atticus, it's how we treat people along the way that really shows who we are.

That is also correct.
By the way, why do you make this insinuation that I am Charles?
That shows us more about you than me.
I am not Charles/Atticus.
Why are you determined to keep the flames going?
Why can't we just drop this and move on?




Maybe a good thrashing with some rhubarb, but banning? No.
Hang on, you might like the rhubarb thrashing.
Ok, I shall ponder this.

Hmmmmm, first threats with carrots, and now with rhubarb - there's something not very fishy about this.
:)

Nope, not fishy, makes too much mess and smell.

[Gone002]

I would love to see a rhubarb thrashing :p

lets all chill, sidious any subjects you would like covered. i enjoyed your thread on the Nazis and the occult.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

thanks for the pm.s :) I will take a look. Cant see me leaving avalon however.

[Icecold]

This thread is starting to wilt....http://www.treehugger.com/Wilting-Flower-Energy-Monitor.jpg



Spook

http://images.wikia.com/kirby/en/images/e/ed/Coolspook.jpg

[Helvetic]

Time to move on and focus on more important things. There is always change, it's a natural process.  

[doodah]

Bill, THANK YOU for finally giving us the facts! It has been fairly unbearable to read these threads with all the vague accusations which Celine would not clarify even though she was asked to many times. It was amazing to see so many people jumping into the fray with NO FACTS, no way of understanding what all the fuss was about.

This thread got all the way to page 28 before the facts were laid out. If that was the earliest possible opportunity to do so, so be it, but the sooner we know the issues, the better. Probably none of this should ever have been made public but since Celine made it public, a public clarification was needed to lay things to rest. No one but Bill and the mods and Celine and whoever else was involved can argue the facts. But for the rest of us, we could finally understand why Celine was upset -- a thing that was a mystery for far too long.

On the whole I don't know what has been accomplished here, but I do agree that all of the strife originates at other levels and we need to raise our conscious awareness about that. It probably behooves us to automatically look FIRST to those other levels. Maybe we should remember to think about those interdimensional beings who just love to feed on our anger and discord. We take back our own power if we consciously decide whether we want to feed them or not, but first we have to remember that they are there.

Namaste to everyone, and I thank many of you for your wonderful posts.

[ponda]

What is happening now might be a good chance for everyone to watch their thoughts and reactions closely and learn from the experience.There definitely seems to be a wave of disruptive negativity passing by us.I suspect that it will soon pass and things will settle down peacefully and normalize again.The good thing is that we can learn from this and it will most likely pass again so next time we will be better prepared for it.


cheers

[Lord Sidious]

What is happening now might be a good chance for everyone to watch their thoughts and reactions closely and learn from the experience.There definitely seems to be a wave of disruptive negativity passing by us.I suspect that it will soon pass and things will settle down peacefully and normalize again.The good thing is that we can learn from this and it will most likely pass again so next time we will be better prepared for it.


cheers

Priceless advice. Let us not waste this whole thing by not learning the lesson/s that it contains.
Let us all, those still here and those not, extract something positive we can use to advance us one more step on that loooooooooooong road.

[sandy]

Dear Bill,

Thank you for sharing your truth and take on all that has happened. I can hear your pain, and weariness and do have compassion for how misunderstood, and battered you feel.

However, I believe that a sore has been festering for a long time here at Avalon and to be blunt it is like a boil. The plug has been expelled but not all the goo...................................too be less graphic

Your long disclosure was enlightening re: your and others actions and it depicts understanding of how things went down. I also understand that the others are experiencing their truth as to how it went down. The old saying goes as you know...Three sides to every story....your, mine and the Truth.

The truth can only be truly arrived at when individuals are courageous enough to take an honest look at their ego and it's hidden agenda's and in My perception I don't see much of this happening................................as there are many hidden agenda through out all of this. I believe your concepts of letting things fall out have created what has fallen out. I wonder why with all your experience and wisdom at knowing what would happen for Avalon once you introduced Charles (as you previously stated) you wouldn't be as firm then in taking charge to ensure the team was prepared instead you chose to sit back to watch the outcome. Run away train..............yes!!!!

But who was the Conductor???? I keep waiting for you to take some ownership in this and not just deflect, justify and rationalize your own behavior. I understand you were feeling undermined and rightly so, but have you asked yourself why you may have been persecuted..................... You explained how you will always fight for the underdog and in this do not seem to understand that that is your choice and there are consequences that come with choice. Especially when fighting for the underdog means often, to rescue someone you deem is persecuted. I posted once before about the Victim/Rescuer/Persecutor paradigm.

I also don't understand how you can"t seem to or won't piece together where this all started. At least in my perception, your need to support Charles has created a team to establish HIS HIDDEN AGENDA and what ever yours was may now have disintegrated somewhat. Your choice.

You say things are in constant flux to paraphrase and Avalon will move on with the changes. I say Avalon may appear to move on with the changes but I'm not sure that it will not again meet the same problem down the road. When one can so easily discard people as casualties along the fallout and transition of change, it would appear that moving forward with agendas is the priority and not moving with the people; thus will Chaos not happen again.

This is a public forum and true lasting growth can only happen when there is true transparency. There has been no real understanding of what introducing the material and Charles to Avalon was about or what purpose or value it has, still to this day. Where is the transparency in this. We are asked to trust and be patient and I believe most of us have. We are going into our 3rd month and still no clarity or transparency. Do you think people are beginning to feel paranoid due to all the hidden agenda's they perceive may be going on.

Don't you think we have enough of this kind of B.S. going on all over the world??? Do you think that no light on these matters adds to the paranoia and mistrust?? You may be a Super Human Being, but many of us, me included are not there yet. Many of us suffer too and keep it to ourselves, but come here to feel the love and support so many are willing to freely give, you included.

It is not easy to let down your guard and trust freely for those who don't trust themselves (higher self) as yet and play wait and see games for lengthy time periods. People in general don't like to feel hung up for too long. That has been happening here far to long IMHO.

If Avalon is to be a safe place, a place of enlightenment and for people to learn from those espousing it, then one must not forget this. I will use a Metaphor...................If you want to be there and truly help a homeless person, you must go to their spot on the street, hold their hand, share and walk with them until they walk across the street with you and not think that they will take the leap of faith and coming running to you just because you said you will help.

There is much preaching to the gospel here at Avalon. Walk with me, talk with me, and please don't talk AT me. Don't tell me, show me. All the Masters of the World walked their talk.

Bill I respect all your hard work and your loving heart, but you like all of us have weaknesses. I know that I am at my truest and strongest self when I have the courage to say I'm scared, lost, alone, hurt, and vulnerable. I respect and honor all who do this as it is a real sign of strength and courage. It takes this same strength and courage to say I made a mistake, I wasn't truly aware of my deepest need or intention and my self integrity was not investigated to it's fullest, I was wrong etc. In this is the real lesson and the Lord knows how many times I have to learn this lesson. Damn Ego!!

Anyway Bill, I hope that trust can be rebuilt soon and that you find some peace in your choices.

[ponda]

Lord Sidious said:

Priceless advice. Let us not waste this whole thing by not learning the lesson/s that it contains.
Let us all, those still here and those not, extract something positive we can use to advance us one more step on that loooooooooooong road.


So true.

There has to be a positive way of looking at this and learning from it.


cheers

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sidious said:

Priceless advice. Let us not waste this whole thing by not learning the lesson/s that it contains.
Let us all, those still here and those not, extract something positive we can use to advance us one more step on that loooooooooooong road.


So true.

There has to be a positive way of looking at this and learning from it.


cheers

If we don't, then we WILL repeat the cycle.
And we can't do that, there is a shortage of carrots now, due to the nuggetry displayed here and all over.
I am thinking of using cactus instead.

[Ruby L.]

Thank you, Bill, for putting matters out into the open and for taking the time to present your side of the story with clarity and frankness. It's a move I deeply appreciated and applaud you for because with your words, you've cleared what has been up till late, muddied and murky waters of Avalon.

Thanks, also, for stepping up to what you consider to be the right thing to do. I've always had a lot of faith and respect for your decisions, integrity and sincerity and consider you a shining soul, always walking towards the bigger truth. Your post just confirms my feelings all the more. And that you're human upholding all these values… why, Bill, I feel like putting together a cheering team in your name!

Bless you and bless Avalon.

And bless Richard and Celine, too. We are all walking our own path and, though people might not agree with one another, we can agree that path walking does not always make an easy journey. I hope they find their peace.

[kcw_one]

I must admit that I have been an absent member since around the time that the Charles material started causing such a ruckus, though I do not intend to offer any opinions about it as I don't really have much of any. Never was drawn to get into it, but that's for another thread.

I still pop by the forum a couple times a week to see if there are any intriguing threads to lurk around, and after I did so earlier this evening, I was glued to the computer screen for about 3 hours catching up on the most recent events.

To be honest, I really don't know what to think. I have no emotional attachment to any member here, though I've had certain impressions from my own interpretations of members' communications. I was quite taken aback though at the reports that I read. I looked through all 16 pages of the worm thread, thinking BLECH this is ugly. Severe reactions by many a member, but this is not too surprising considering what I have noticed in people in general in the world lately. A sign of the times, I'd say.

I finished by reading Bill Ryan's explanation of his perspective and account of events, as he has experienced them. I thank Bill for clearing the air somewhat, though I do suspect that there is quite a lot going on in the back channels that most of us have no idea about. I haven't any opinion or judgement about what happened, or what decisions were made, though I do have an observation to share.

It is key to remember that the compression that we are experiencing here on Earth as we approach the end of the cycle will continue to add pressure to all of us, causing issues to surface and situations to come to a head. I would say that this is part of the balancing process that is necessary for whatever shift there is that I feel is on its way, and already underway. We may look at circumstances on the surface and judge them as good or bad, but in essence the just ARE. This forum serves a purpose for every member or visitor who consumes the content, though the purpose for one person may vary wildly from that of another. Some will use it for spreading negativity and discord, while others will use it to spread knowledge, love and wisdom. It's up to the individual to choose, and it may be wise to avoid judgement if possible. It doesn't mean there cannot be disagreement, or that everyone has to LIKE each other.

I won't make an arse of myself by telling you all what I think needs to happen here, or what my personal opinions are about the state of Avalon or whatnot, as I am just another guy sitting in front of a screen watching the show unfold. But I will make one request of everyone here . . .

Let's all try to be more kind okay?

Maybe we could focus a little more on what we AGREE on, rather than so much disagreement.

Or not. It's up to you.

[witchy1]

*Witchy walks in, making her way thru the crowd, wand in hand the crowd disperses. She walks up to the front of the crowd - Sssshhhhhhhhhhh everyone. The crowd gathers round in eager anticipation*

“Thank you all for coming, I had hoped to be here under less stressful circumstances. However we are here because we care and there are issues to be discussed. Not in the least so that the toxins can be released and the healing begin. For without such lanceing of the septic wound, it will surely continue to fester and create pain. A most unfortunate set of tribulations in such a fine community. However we are human and as such beautiful emotional beings.

I speak in assessment of the situation only, not in mediation or judgement of any person. Judgement of actions should be objective and preferably internally assessed, once considerations have been raised. We do have a right as caring creatures of this planet and of this forum to assist in healing and also to suggest ways to prevent a recurrence. This makes us a formidable team.

With tenderness, all that I see are the sound of hearts breaking, confusion, sadness, anger, disbelief, sorrow and much courage

We have yet to hear the full background and the truth according to those involved. It is unlikely that this will now eventuate for they are no longer here to speak. Each will have their own perspective on the truth, and each will speak with their own emotions on events that transpired. Each will use parts to support their case, each will leave out parts that detract from their case. We are human and we experience the same situation differently

To all Avalonians, please remember - Once you have chosen your side, you have also chosen your enemy. It is difficult to back down once you have drawn that line in the sand. Be the discerning, appropriate caring people that I have come to love and admire - even in the worst of times.

Having considered the information thus far, it appears that the genesis lies in a few areas that can come perhaps be classed as communication.
It would appear
Boundaries may not have not been set, roles may not have not been defined, assumptions may have been made, promises may have been broken and misunderstandings have definately occurred.
People have placed much trust and faith in others and have been disappointed with the result.
People have taken on roles assuming they know what is expected, and have been proven wrong. People have been provided access to information that they were not permitted to have. That information has been passed on selfishly and without consent for what can only be self serving reasons.
Trust has thus been destroyed through thoughtless and insensitive actions.

Humans will make their own boundaries and rules where none exist.

To prevent recurrence, rights and responsibilities must be clearly articulated. Consequences must be coherent and instant termination reasons expressly defined and adhered to. Professional conduct must be maintained by those running the forum and agreed to in advance of accepting the position.

*With a subtle twitch of her wand, and a twinkle in her eye, gentle rays of stardust fall on the mesmerized crowd. Awakened with hope and forgiveness, gentle of heart and humble in outlook they turn to their neighbor with a look of understanding and love*

Embrace those who chose to go. Remember understanding, forgiveness and humility are our better qualities. We are one, our paths will cross again.

Sid – I’ll take a triple shot of Vodka with my carrot juice.

[Hawkwind]

Hmmmmmmmmm strange comment Modwiz.

I'm a strange person. I was born blue. Umbilical cord around my neck. Should I be banned?

So, you had the blood supply to your brain cut off at a very early age. That explains a great deal! :P

(For anyone who might read that as an insult. Modwiz is one of the people on this forum whom I most respect and if he didn't at least get a chuckle out of the comment, I've missed my mark.)

[modwiz]

Ya got me.

Right in the funny bone. ;)

[greybeard]

Every one makes mistakes and when we own up to them we grow.
Bill was in a very vulnerable position and an easy target.
This is a whistle blower site, there have been few new people to interview in the last year.
Membership low.
Bill is by nature an investigator a journalist.
When Charles arrived it would have seem like a gift from the Gods, membership would be boosted, something positive could be achieved.
It went ahead for all the right reasons.

However the u tube posting of the video led to a demand for membership like never before.

If the original small membership had seen the video first it would have been manageable with a stead influx of new members.
Instead the flood gates were opened and the membership tripled.

The mods were overwhelmed.

On top of that Charles was only giving snippets of information it was a recipe for disaster.
The adrenalin created over 100 Charles threads,

Quite a few members after seeing the first video tried to advise, support Bill even though they did not necessarily agree that Charles was the finest thing since sliced bread.
Support for Bill was solid even though there was some lack of support for the Charles material
Bill was convinced he was the real deal (maybe he is) and supported Charles well beyond any whistle blower has ever been supported here.
In fairness there was the chance of interaction, posting questions to be answered.

The mods I spoke with were concerned for the future of Avalon from early on in January.
There was a feeling that Avalon was loosing original direction and not to the good either.
They were trying to guide Bill with little success.
It was clear from Jan one that we were heading for trouble
Threads were left to rumble on forever.
Members were ignoring requests to take a break from Mods and even when threads were paused people kept posting.



Celine was being Celine, original members understood her well.
Some new members just did not understand her and yes she was some what difficult to follow at times.

So GW was in my estimation paranoid, that is not a put down, I liked her energy but she would say things like every key stroke is screen shotted
She was fearful and fear brings what you are afraid of.
It was a self fulfilling prophecy
She provoked quite a few members.

I dont know what happened behind the scenes regarding Celine but I also advised and supported Celine, not in what she was doing but as a person.


so Bill you cant have it both ways either you were steering the ship or you weren't.

The fact that so many mods have relinquished their position is very telling.
Is every one out of step but our Bill?

As said everyone makes mistakes
Maybe I make a mistake in posting this but I have tried to steer the middle course.
The truth lies in the middle some where.

We have most of it now but not all I suspect

Do we really need to know?


The seeking of truth then sharing it can actually be contra to integrity.

Mamy mamy where did I come from?
Thats me as a child
Inverness was the answer
We dont allways need to know the intimate details.

Can we not just get on to buisness as usual?

Chris

[Ruby L.]

Witchy1,

Bravo!! A beautifully and brilliantly written post. You are, indeed, as magical as you are wise!

Lord Sidious, the round's on me.

[irishspirit]

This is all getting so embarrassing!

[Inanna]

Hurray for Witchy1 ! :cool:

[Spiralmind]

It greatly concerns and angers me that ANYONE has been "asked to leave" a community for any reason. Is this new paradigm we talk so much about going to include actions such as excommunication and ostracism from the 'village' or 'society'. If we want to rise above the current way things are done and be an example of positive change, we need to find ways to work things out. Let's be honest....in ANY community, be it a forum, city, or country there will be conflicts, disagreements, misunderstandings....no one ever said it would be easy. Can we please try to be the change we want and show the world what it means to be "in light".

Thank you.

[New Dawn]

What a mess! To new Avalon members, I'll say, don't lose hope, remember what is important, and try not to let the stupidity of the few ruin the good intentions of the many. It is OUR actions that either make or break us, Avalon, and the world. Bill has explained himself sufficiently regarding the areas I've had concern with. To those who did abuse their position by reading PM's (private messages) - shame on you, you let us all down.

I'm sure that most of us here are good natured, but some people clearly abused their position, and those people have to go. I have never spoke to Celine, but did read her posts, and I wish her all the best. Richard should never have threatened another member - Avalonians do not act like this, and if you do, this place is not for you, but I wish him the best too, and Beth etc.

Everyone is equally as important as Bill, and we have to ALL collectively 'be the change' as I said several weeks back.

This change is about how you treat others (not just for appearance sake, but for real, down to the very core of your thoughts. Treat everyone well, and lets continue to build a forum where these petty wars are not able to penetrate the forum. Bill be careful in future of what you merge eh, I believe it was an honest mistake though.

It goes to show that no matter how many posts in, eventually you see the true nature of the poster. I'm confident that I'll never have to threaten anyone on here. This is a place of peace. If I am wrong in anything I am saying, feel free to serve me my notice here, but I think my views on what we, and Avalon are meant to be about is accurate.

Lets honour our past heroes by continuing to let peace permeate, and lets make these changes happen fast by working on our own spiritual development constantly, so that when we are interacting with others, we push this outwards to touch others. It does work, and I've seen people change around me over the last year or two, and its because they's stopped looking for my angle, and realised that I want the best for everyone - please join me!

Slightly off topic here but:
I've been given some amazing gifts (one of my best friends gave me a car that I desperately needed), I was and am so grateful when people are able to help me, but in turn, I know this is because I always help my friends whenever I can (which is all the bloody time haha). Don't get me wrong, it not about material things - its about the gesture, and what it must say about me. I must be on the right path, when all those around me start offering to help me in some amazing ways. Sorry, a bit long, but lately Avalon has lost direction, and I'm hoping to make you feel something that is worth thinking about.

As always, peace to all.

ND

[PurpleLama]

*draws giant circle in the sand, encompasssing all of Avalon*

There is the line. We are all on this side of it.

Much love to all.

[waterlily]

THERE ARE 2 STORIES AND ONE IN BETWEEN, so with that said,lets carry on Avalonians -so let us all rise to the occasion and carry on this Project AVALON without all this fighting and fussing and let us embrace our differences and ride gallantly to fulfill our mission as a team

[Billy]

Namaste one and all.
The game of life and relating with each other continues to play itself out, All the characters and architypes are on the stage playing their chosen role, Mothers, Fathers, Brothers, sisters, Husbands and Wives, sons and daughters, Lovers and Partners, Friends and aquaintances, Each learning the lessons about self while relating with others.

Some are aware of the learning and lessons required for self growth and play their destiny out as planned, Some are not aware of the lessons while relating with others, and are in denial and cannot see the mirror reflections of self while in relationships or that the game even exists, This can allow self to feel insucure, become emotionaly attached to others and they may decide to travel on the "blame others" game by not taking responsibility for their own actions. preventing self growth and the cycle continues until one day there is an awakening to the mystery of "It is my reaction" that is important in this moment that counts.

when another soul sends you a positive loving energy, we can respond by feel humility, thankful, embarassed, and so on. It is when another soul sends out Negative, Blaming or attacking hurtful energy that the true test of how to respond and react, those are the most important lessons to learn in the journey of the soul. How to be emotionaly NON attached to other souls issues and baggage but to still be centred and respond with a compassionate loving knowing of self.

The last few threads brought this song to mind,

Peace be within everyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5znh58WITU8

[Lord Sidious]

Witchy1,

Bravo!! A beautifully and brilliantly written post. You are, indeed, as magical as you are wise!

Lord Sidious, the round's on me.

Ok, double Jack Daniels and cola thanks.
No carrot juice for me, someone mentioned poisoned carrots.
That little green communist leprechaun, yoda might still be trying to get revenge.

[Humble Janitor]

I said it before and I'll say it again:

Charles was brought to destroy Avalon. He is our "Nemesis/Nibiru/Planet X".

That's all I have to say. I'm disappointed to go off for a few days only to return to see two long-time members gone.

[ponda]

Lord Sidious said:

I am thinking of using cactus instead.


It has been said that always having a ready supply of cactus on hand is not to be sneezed at

[Humble Janitor]

It greatly concerns and angers me that ANYONE has been "asked to leave" a community for any reason. Is this new paradigm we talk so much about going to include actions such as excommunication and ostracism from the 'village' or 'society'. If we want to rise above the current way things are done and be an example of positive change, we need to find ways to work things out. Let's be honest....in ANY community, be it a forum, city, or country there will be conflicts, disagreements, misunderstandings....no one ever said it would be easy. Can we please try to be the change we want and show the world what it means to be "in light".

Thank you.

We as a community cannot allow destructive drama to eat away at the core of Avalon.

If I've offended new members, let me take a moment to apologize for my actions. I am still highly skeptical of Charles and still wondering why I did not get a personal reply as I had hoped.

[GoldenYears]

Thank you Bill for the explanation...Im sorry that things happened the way they did, for all concerned.

Bill....maybe you should have that pint of beer now, that you said you havent had in years...;)

[Swanny]

To whom is behind all this mess, well I hope your happy with yourselves.

http://i54.tinypic.com/11lpz0y.jpg

are you blaming Swanny ?

LMAO@northern boy.....! Poor old Swanny

Hey don't blame me I haven't been here for ages :blink:


And less of the old :P

Mwah, still alive Admiral....?
Hows life........?
What about a pint of Thorolian juice.....?
Hows the garden going...?

Got the sack from the GFL for adventures with a crew member :)
Life's good
Cheers there's a nice bar on Gredron 7 that serves a great pint
Garden started off well but then turned to weeds :/ Looking for an old boy to take it on this year

How things with you?

Are we allowed to hijack this thread??? Opps ;D

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sidious said:

I am thinking of using cactus instead.


It has been said that always having a ready supply of cactus on hand is not to be sneezed at

Not as labour intensive as carrots either as you don't have to sharpen em.
In a way, all the ruckus may have a benefit for me, I discovered cactus is better than carrots.

[ponda]

Lord Sidious said:

In a way, all the ruckus may have a benefit for me, I discovered cactus is better than carrots.


So much wisdom in so few words

[Carrera]

Hmmmmmmmmm strange comment Modwiz.

I'm a strange person. I was born blue. Umbilical cord around my neck. Should I be banned?

So, you had the blood supply to your brain cut off at a very early age. That explains a great deal! :P

(For anyone who might read that as an insult. Modwiz is one of the people on this forum whom I most respect and if he didn't at least get a chuckle out of the comment, I've missed my mark.)

Hey! So had my son (cord around neck -twice in fact!) and he is highly intelligent! :p

(Yeah I thought you'd like that, Modwiz! )

[Lord Sidious]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUn7INeZrpk

And now, we switch from the usual programme for a special message from the masters of metal, JUDAS PRIEST

[GoldenYears]

Okay, I guess I 'mway out of the loop here. Could somebody kindly PM the website that Richard was referring to in his post?

Thanks!

[Sidney]

With all due respect, the references being made about Bill being someone else in private are creating anxiety for me.

I want so much to be a part of a family and I look at so many of my elders here with respect.

I wish to learn and grow together. But I can't shake this feeling that things are a complete illusion here.

In a world full of mass deception, I truly was hoping against the odds that I had found a place where people would be real.

But now with all the accusations and secrecy, I am torn.

I honestly feel like a scared child in my dark bedroom with the blankets over my head while my parents argue and scream at each other in the next room.

I need a hug Avalon. I'm scared.

:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:


discernment is key. Instincts..we are all born with....listen carefully, and the truth will unveil itself to you. Some things, perhaps, are meant NOT to reveal themselves, to further internal growth. Just go with the flow, don't fight it. FEAR...that is what TPTB wish to instill. Be afraid, and they score more points to the board, try to not give them that advantage. Cautious and fearful have different meanings and values. Caution will protect you while fear will chip away at your soul. Be good to yourself. Choose caution.

[Inanna]

With all due respect, the references being made about Bill being someone else in private are creating anxiety for me.

I want so much to be a part of a family and I look at so many of my elders here with respect.

I wish to learn and grow together. But I can't shake this feeling that things are a complete illusion here.

In a world full of mass deception, I truly was hoping against the odds that I had found a place where people would be real.

But now with all the accusations and secrecy, I am torn.

I honestly feel like a scared child in my dark bedroom with the blankets over my head while my parents argue and scream at each other in the next room.

I need a hug Avalon. I'm scared.

:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:


discernment is key. Instincts..we are all born with....listen carefully, and the truth will unveil itself to you. Some things, perhaps, are meant NOT to reveal themselves, to further internal growth. Just go with the flow, don't fight it. FEAR...that is what TPTB wish to instill. Be afraid, and they score more points to the board, try to not give them that advantage. Cautious and fearful have different meanings and values. Caution will protect you while fear will chip away at your soul. Be good to yourself. Choose caution.

On the other hand, it's good to acknowledge that fear. You feel it for a reason, otherwise you would not be frightened. Feel it with all your heart, because it's indeed telling you something. For me that was very important.
Now the fear is gone (because I felt it through). Now I can just trust on my intuition... everything has changed now.

[Lord Sidious]

With all due respect, the references being made about Bill being someone else in private are creating anxiety for me.

I want so much to be a part of a family and I look at so many of my elders here with respect.

I wish to learn and grow together. But I can't shake this feeling that things are a complete illusion here.

In a world full of mass deception, I truly was hoping against the odds that I had found a place where people would be real.

But now with all the accusations and secrecy, I am torn.

I honestly feel like a scared child in my dark bedroom with the blankets over my head while my parents argue and scream at each other in the next room.

I need a hug Avalon. I'm scared.

:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:


discernment is key. Instincts..we are all born with....listen carefully, and the truth will unveil itself to you. Some things, perhaps, are meant NOT to reveal themselves, to further internal growth. Just go with the flow, don't fight it. FEAR...that is what TPTB wish to instill. Be afraid, and they score more points to the board, try to not give them that advantage. Cautious and fearful have different meanings and values. Caution will protect you while fear will chip away at your soul. Be good to yourself. Choose caution.

On the other hand, it's good to acknowledge that fear. You feel it for a reason, otherwise you would not be frightened. Feel it with all your heart, because it's indeed telling you something. For me that was very important.
Now the fear is gone (because I felt it through). Now I can just trust on my intuition... everything has changed now.

Acknowledge it, yes.
Allow it to influence your life, hell no.

[Burke]

My Fellow Avalonians,

Whew, what a couple of days eh? You guys are troopers. I have been reading this thread all day long, keeping up as best I can while also being down the rabbit hole, keeping up with the frenzy of activity there. I have been experiencing the reverberations, of the events the last month or so, rock us all back and forth very up close and personal and I must say it has been quite a ride and I have enjoyed it immensely. As you can see I am no longer a MOD. Consider this is my official announcement of that change and even though I have been angry and disappointed over the last few days I am not bitter so I do apologize if you were hoping for some dirt or embarrassing revelations. I aspire to be a man of honor therefore I will not intentionally break oaths even if my disclosure could easily clear all of this up once and for all. It is what it is.

You may not see me post for a while as I will be returning to being the observer; another position I have held here at Avalon since it came into being and only on occasions like times of excitement and movement, have I come out of hiding to engage with you people. Many of you truly humble me, including many of you new folks. I will be blunt and say that some of you annoy the hell out of me too; a fault I am currently trying to overcome because each of you are perfect and I just fail to see it…yet.

But these MODs…this team that has been running this place, all of them are a cut of people that have a rare shine and glimmer that warms you and makes you feel like your home. They have an intellect and wit that is a joy to engage with or stay silent and just bask in. Sacrifice and service are a hobby to these guys; they make it look easy and HAVE FUN doing this. I am a blessed man indeed to be able to call them my friends. I have been trying to work out all day what to write about all of this; what to say to you all in some official capacity as a representative of staff so I will tell you my perspective as that is all I have. It won’t be the truth as I don’t know it and can say with some assurance that no one else does either.

You may think it was the Charles material that brought me out of hiding this last time but it wasn’t. I had been posting since mid to late December and was about to crawl back into my silence again yet a PM from a really cool lady moved me to continue engaging with you fine folks. Once the Charles material was underway and a flood of people hit this place I figured I better watch it again really close this time to glean what I was obviously missing. I didn’t know what I was looking for so I watched everything closely including the body language of both Bill and Charles. What I finally saw hit me like a brick. I could be wrong, but I saw that Bill and Charles had themselves a connection going there. I suppose you’re all up to speed about this phenomenon involving these love connections that are happening en mass here, in which soul mates, twin flames, and soul recognition type relationships are happening to a large number of people (if not, ask around).

Well I have had them in my life before with male and female both and I believe this is a very significant thing; an important event. I have attempted to address it with Bill but he can be a very busy man and the subject was quickly changed to crisis mode that is very common in the bowels of Avalon lately. After that day, it didn’t matter anyway as there was such a lack of trust and cohesion between the two of them I could imagine no brotherhood forming with that kind of nurturing. This was the day of the Atticus donation crisis. I figured I was just wrong on the whole thing and felt a little foolish really and didn’t bring it up again.

I was still very excited about what has been going on around me. It can be quite exciting in MOD world and I did mention the fun these guys have with their clever banter and camaraderie. But I was also going through my own experiences like some of you folks. I was experiencing these connections and meeting soul mates. In PMs, in the Avalon chat rooms, and even with some MODs. You see to me this clearly had something to do with what was happening here at Avalon; clearly something to do with a new way of life, hell maybe a new civilization of you want to take it there. It is defiantly a higher love as I have some experience with it as I have been affected by it since the age of 17 with multiple people.

I don’t know what it all means but I know that many of your lives are about to significantly change and you are going to experience an evolution of spirit and bliss. That has been my experience therefore I am in total awe and wonder at watching this occur to so many people at once and simply cannot even imagine the implications of what it could mean. That’s really the only reason I became a MOD, so I could learn more about how this was being handled so I could interact and help with what is happening; play a role somehow and facilitate, do my part.

What I walked into was an ebb and flow of crisis and recuperation run by beautifully flawed super people; Jedi. No time to focus on anything but the daily fires started by some of you guys, and the attacks coming in from all directions to get you guys all riled up attacking each other in the first place. I don’t know who they are and I am not going to speculate and point at anyone when I can’t say for sure, if it even mattered, because it doesn’t.

You know it is out there, you should just be prepared to deal with it from a place of love and gratitude, and not feed it. You feed it by trying to make it go away instead of accepting it. It’s a catch 22 and you can’t win, you have to rise above it so it doesn’t matter. My two cents anyway. The answer has been here the whole time, these connections. Explore them and become who you really are. I could be wrong but the rest of this stuff is peripheral, sorry if I don’t take it all too seriously but my recent experiences have made all of this “he said she said stuff” as interesting as what’s on TV.

I’m too busy evolving. I have made some extraordinary connections with some amazing people. That has made me a pretty lame MOD, because it has kept me from reading most of these threads or even understanding where you guys are concerning your knowledge of these connections. If you understand the strong emotional bond and psychic link these connections bring when nurtured you will know how well you can get to know a person, easily empathize what they are feeling, and perceive their thoughts and reactions with a clarity you find with a soul mate, and beyond. The connections vary in strength as you encounter them, some people will seem closer to you faster than others but it is the nurturing that makes them grow in strength so how strong they eventually get is up to you.

Of all the people here at Avalon the strongest connection I have is with Celine Dragaon. She is one of my best friends and I do know her well; better than all here but her husband Richard of whom I have the deepest respect and admiration. He is flawed and in pain and we have seen it show once. Only once during all of this chaos and madness that has been on his shoulders daily. He is now gone. Demonized. Banished.

Because I know Celine as well as I do, I have an insight into Richard none of you do. The pain I have endured by seeing these two taken for granted, suspected, accused, dissected, used, humiliated, judged, condemned, and even attacked is too much to bear and is a tragedy I will never forget to the end of my days. You have no idea what this place meant to them. You can’t possibly know, or you would not have done this. As much as I hurt, I will not sit here and judge your flaws as you so easily do others, in your great and noble wisdom that you must obviously posses, to even be able to make such a judgment on these two complex and fantastic beings of light, hero and heart.

I thought I would learn more about the connections by becoming a MOD, and what I found instead were just more connections and I am having the time of my life. Bill and I aren’t on the same page and that’s OK. I wish him the very best but I have had enough of the material. The Charles material, Heather material , Enlightened material , Gypsy Material, Celine and Richard Material …distractions keeping us all from discovering who we are by looking into each other with interest and delight instead of suspicion and contempt. My path lies elsewhere, in the direction of connections, mutual respect, love, trust, and the benefits they bring.

While I have your attention, I urge all of you to take a moment and look around at yourselves. All of you are involved; passionately involved with each other. Look at these amazing threads that are so long and complex they have to be analyzed off site and referenced. The material doesn’t matter folks, it could be full of sewing tips and it is still an amazing amount of interaction and sharing. You are the phenomenon. You guys already have it…stop looking for it in some material. Stop waiting for the next release to interact. Start focusing on the good you see in each other. Talk about that instead. Evolve. Love.


Have a pleasant day

Back to observer mode

Burke

[benevolentcrow]

Every individual is at once the beneficiary and the victim of the linguistic tradition into which he has been born - the beneficiary inasmuch as language gives access to the accumulated records of other people's experience, the victim in so far as it confirms him in the belief that reduced awareness is the only awareness and as it bedevils his sense of reality, so that he is all too apt to take his concepts for data, his words for actual things.

- Aldous Huxley

I choose to take what I want from Project Avalon and leave the rest!

[iceni tribe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEUsuPGBo-c




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEUsuPGBo-c

[Charlie Pecos]

"Tie yourself to the mast my friend, and the storm will end"

See the beauty in life.

[Carmody]

.........


This too shall pass

It has happened before it will most likely happen again.

As predicted - groups will split and reform.

It is a gradual and natural process.

People grouping into clusters of like mindedness and vibration. Same in forums as in real life.

There are no clear winners today, no clear losers.

We are just individuals at play in our roles, just people being part of the one infinite creator doing its through the great illusion of third density - an illusion that wanes for us, some days more than others.

Final thought for this rough day: "What is done in the dark, will be shown in the light"

John..

To me, they are going to pursue a parallel path and goal. More power to them, in my book.

One forum cannot appeal to multiple goals of depth (depth that occupies the persons involved), so some goals and associated tactics must be pursued concurrently. Collective but individual.

In my last life (or second last) I was the weapon, and I was damn good at it. The horror of war teaches with it's depth. My goal and actions this time around..are ...different.

[GK76]

Hi all,

Just popped on to say goodbye to Richard and Celine, going to be weird not seeing any more posts from them, even way back when I was lurking they were names I'd instantly recognise. Good luck in your next chapter. :)

I can't help thinking there is something going on behind the scenes with Avalon ;) , some things seem... staged? I hope this forum finds the balance again, just be careful of those who are here to cause trouble. Well this is just my opinion through observations lately... perhaps synchronicity.

Peace you lot :peace: please. :)

[blake]

Hello Mr. Ryan,

I am not privy to the inner world of Avalon, and have just been putting my toe in the water for the past couple of months, trying to get a feel for it. The water, although warm and interesting also seem to have many unknown fish swimming about that I really couldn’t identify if they were dolphins, great white sharks, or anything inbetween? Coming aboard with the “Charles material”, and never having been on a forum before, I was testing the waters the best I could, and observing the best I could. The “Charles Material” did not help induce “trust” as it was, to me, quite frustrating to read especially with what I perceived as all the “tease” as to all this material that “Charles” was going to share. So for me, I was not sure about how honest any of this all was; and I was trying to put on the scale of truth what I was experiencing there. Then two days ago, when I logged on the forum to find Miss Celine’s thread, and witnessing the raging storm, it did sadden me, and it did tilt the scales of truth, for me, to the negative.

I so very much appreciate your very long post. I can’t imagine not sleeping all night, and having the ability to write such a long, detailed and coherent post. Thank you. It certainly helped balance out my scale of truth.

I am so very sorry that you had to endure so much. And indeed, it does appear that Moderator Richard did have his three strikes against him, and you did not act as hastily as I first concluded.

Mr. Ryan, I can’t imagine you having to sleep in your car. With all your admirers and contacts across the world, I would imagine all you would have to post is that you will be in a certain area and would appreciate some hospitality. Let me extend my open invitation to you, should you, and those you are traveling with, ever be in my neck of the woods, just pm me, and I can offer you a private, comfortable room, as you go about your work, or rest; and I can offer you as much home cooking as you desire. The thoughts that you would ever have to spend the night in a car, does not speak well for how our community works.

So if I have never said it before, and I probably haven’t, thank you for all your work, and dedication. What I know for sure is that I couldn’t do what you do, and apparently you do it all so grandly.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
3/3/11

[Realeyes]

I have finally finished reading everyone’s posts and threads about this fireball & carrots. I send love to everyone involved – these lessons are very emotional and painful when in the midst of it.

I feel compelled to share a few words from my own experience. This reminds me of many years ago being in the firing line, at the mercy of the opinions of others; it’s a haunting place to be. Injustice and reputation are mighty lessons to behold in the 'dark night of the soul'. I was taken to depths within myself I never knew existed. The good news is, for all spiritual truth seekers who has the courage to persevere with the dark night of the soul, there is the gift of wisdom - light at the end of the tunnel. To be able to ‘see it as it is’ clearly in love, void of judgement and resentment are an act of Self Mastery. To fall in love deeper with yourself mistakes and all, understanding the role you played how actions or inactions set it up. With love and neutrality seeing the other players and their roles that were in truth the energy of sand granules that created a beautiful pearl of wisdom, strength and enlightenment.
This was my darkest ‘dark night of the soul’, yet I discovered much more than just the above. I learnt to not live for the opinions of others, realising even if I pleased everyone or lived saintly someone would have an opinion on it. How many lifetimes had I wasted living for others opinions and not nurtured myself into becoming the true individual I dreamed to spiritually be. A reputation is only as good as one’s last mistake – that’s a hang-mans game of bulls**t. Happiness is not found in others, it comes from within loving oneself into life. Being honest and truthful in all my deeds is all that matters. Opinions are just opinions, here to day, gone tomorrow – It is how I feel about myself that is key.
At the end of the day there is no one to ‘blame’ as a wise friend reminded me, because the word ‘blame’ when turned into wisdom is – ‘B-AL-ME’.

:peep: :peace:

:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

[An Cailleach]

Lord Sidious said:

I am thinking of using cactus instead.


It has been said that always having a ready supply of cactus on hand is not to be sneezed at

Or squeezed at!

[Icecold]

Errrr Mr. Davis old chap,

You signed as .....It looks like Mr Ryan is self-communicating :ranger:

Sincerely,
Mr. Ryan
3/3/11

[blake]

If Bill is King Arthur who is Charles? Merlin? Lancelot? Mordred?

Allegorically speaking of course.

Hello Star Gazer,

I think you may have miread or misinterpreted Mr. Ryan's post; or did I? Did Mr Ryan write that he was actually the reincarnation of KIng Author, or just might have ancestral bloodline conncections?

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
3/3/11

[SHAPE]

Bloodline connections only.


Peace and love

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

http://i52.tinypic.com/eb280x.jpg




Ski-

[slvrfx]

I've been reading these posts all day, and believe me, I've been pondering the whole thing, starting with the events of yesterday that seem to be the catalyst. This is my conclusion-

Ever feel like you're being swept away by a raging river, and even though you know you could take some drastic, (or not so drastic) measure, and free yourself of the power that's controlling you, for some reason you just know there's something way bigger at play, so you do nothing and just go with it?

From what I've seen since I became a member, Celine, Richard, and Bill are all intelligent people, so none of them went into this blindly. It's almost as if some huge hand reached down from the sky, like some puppet-master, and manipulated these three, and I will go a step further and purpose that there's a way bigger picture. (No, I don't mean trolls sneaking around, or evil agents whose sole purpose is to disrupt.)

Celine knew that if she put it out there, in the open, the comments she made about Bill not keeping his word with her, and how he's a different person in the public then he is in private, and how the mods have been putting up with a lot behind the scenes, that she was opening herself up to criticism and ridicule, but also calling upon herself the wrath of Bill. And yet she forged ahead.

Richard, the man who always represented to me the epitome of calmness, loses his professionalism with the one thing that I, frankly, was shocked to see him do, and with very little provocation...he cursed and banished a member who was provoking his wife.

And Bill...usually cool, calm, and collected, the master of balance, keeping the peace, giving all but the most hardened violators the boot...he, banishes Richard who has volunteered way beyond what any normal person would do, giving his best to running Avalon in a professional way, for how many years?

I don't know about anybody else, but this just doesn't make any sense to me, and that's why I couldn't even figure out how I felt about this.

Confused to say the least.

It's like someone put a script into each of their hands, and by some sub-conscious plan, they all just played their parts, like actors/actress on some stage.

I know that in my life there have been situations just like this, where some unseen force took me by the hand and led me down the path, and in my zone, I actually felt safe and secure that if I played the part, all would eventually end up in the exact place it needed to be.

That's the only conclusion I can come up with.

This is meant to be.

Bill will find himself, in one month's time (or there-abouts), in a different place then he was right before this happened, and of course, so will Richard and Celine.

In that time frame in the future, when it becomes all too apparent where the end result of this exercise has taken us, let us remember March 1st and 2nd, 2011.

This was my only post late yesterday afternoon, on the earth-shaking situation, and all I can say today, is that I'm glad that I could be the catalyst that Bill used in deciding he needed to open up to us and share what's been happening behind the scenes.

I sense what the future is bringing, and I stand by what I wrote in this post.

I reported accurately what I was witnessing, but it was only limited to what was being revealed, so I thank Bill profusely for being forthright.

But it's not over.

This is the essential cleansing process, and all who are paying attention know this.

Bill needs to be very careful, for he has left himself vulnerable and exposed, but this is KEY to what happens ultimately to the good people here in Avalon.

"Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing."

There's only ONE person I trust, for his voice is the same resonance and tone as mine.

(Now, let's watch closely, and learn.)

[blake]

Errrr Mr. Davis old chap,

You signed as .....It looks like Mr Ryan is self-communicating :ranger:

Sincerely,
Mr. Ryan
3/3/11

Hello IceCold,

Thank you for pointing out my typo, as others have done. I did just edit it to read, correctly, "Mr. Davis".
I guess Mr. Ryan was truly in my thoughts as I posted that to make such a mistake.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

[9eagle9]

To use the Alice in Wonderland comparison further upstream, Bill is probably feeling a bit like the Mad Hatter right now, I'm sure ,after a long unhappy unbirthday party. I'm not given to nosing about in other peoples energy but depleted seems to be an appropriate word to use for him right now. I think it would be a kindness to allow him a few days rest and re stabilization without demanding answers that probably can't really be answered to everyone's satisfaction at the moment.

We're adults aren't we Scawlet, can we keep Avalanta from burning the next few days and perhaps just idle about with less inflammatory topics for a time until we get our balance back. We can, I know we can Mizzy Scawlet, its not like birthin' babies. So can make this whole matter Gone with the Wind.

There's such thing as spiritual blood line in addition to physical bloodlines. Some people arrange to incarnate right when the two intersect each other. I did.





If Bill is King Arthur who is Charles? Merlin? Lancelot? Mordred?

Allegorically speaking of course.

Hello Star Gazer,

I think you may have miread or misinterpreted Mr. Ryan's post; or did I? Did Mr Ryan write that he was actually the reincarnation of KIng Author, or just might have ancestral bloodline conncections?

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
3/3/11

[kooky]

I looked through the worm tongue thread earlier and still am clueless to most of it. I wasn't reading the original threads as they were live a few days ago and never came across Gypsy Woman or any of her posts so i can't really comment on a lot of what has been said. I've been a long time viewer of the forums. I've been watching Project Camelot videos since 2008 and i read the old Avalon forum but i was never a member. I do agree with Celine being hard to follow at times, then again when most people say things like

"Tie yourself to the mast my friend, and the storm will end"

See the beauty in life.

and that's it lol. It can be a bit annoying. Most of that stuff just goes waaaay over most people's heads and i get the sentiments behind it, you all want to love each other and kiss and cuddle and hug and live in a happy world but in real life people don't talk like that. People say what is on there mind, they don't reply with a few words then start talking in tongues or saying quotes that has everyone puzzled. That's why i liked the Charles videos because he is a straight talker. That's how people talk in real life, they don't think about every single word their about to say and they don't beat around the bush.

Having said that i'm sitting at my keyboard, i'm feeling a lot of negative energies coming at me. It could the problems here, it could be my appetite and the fact i'm hungry. Who knows. Bill Ryan i think there is only one way for you to truly solve all the problems here at Avalon. I think i speak for all the members here in saying that you must post all of your Jordan Maxwell At The Vatican videos. There is no other way Bill infact don't even mull it over with a cup of tea. Just get the video file, upload to youtube or a file sharing site and let the tensions dissolve. You'll feel better aswell for doing it infact that's why i suggested it because i'm thinking of you and your stress levels. :biggrin1:

[Koyaanisqatsi]

After reading all these posts, I am wondering if a "three strikes" policy should be in place before a member is actually banned permanently. The first strike might be a temporary banning of two weeks, the second a ban of two months, and the third a permanent ban.

It does seem unfair that Richard is kicked out after all of his volunteer service to Avalon. It also seems unfair that there is no moderation mechanism that can be applied to Avalon's "benevolent dictator", Bill Ryan, when he decides to ban someone. Given that other moderators (that may have an inside view of things) may also abandon ship over the extreme punishment (permanent banning) that is applied to a first infraction, a "three strikes" policy might be a useful change to the rules.

Many infractions are surely a result of misunderstandings, which are so easy given the written medium we work with here. And if there is a deliberate attempt to divide and destroy Avalon, through a false-flag or psy-ops or other means, a "three strikes" policy would give Avalon some additional resiliency.

We know the "elite rulers of the world" may have good reason to destroy Avalon. We may have just witnessed such an attempt without being aware of it. Divide and conquer is their method. A "three strikes" policy could help Avalon withstand such meddling in the future.

I support this idea fully. From time to time I post something hastily or full of emotion and the next day I look back at the post and realize how much it actually DOESN'T represent what I feel. I suspect this may be the case for many of us on PA. I find myself in said situation right now, as earlier in this thread(yesterday) I made a post that was very critical of Celine. In short, I basically judged her as being combative and a polarizing force of sorts. I'd like to take this opportunity to publicly apologize for those comments, as I watch whats happening on Avalon and see that I've become part of the problem. Its very easy to say things like "engage your brain before your keyboard", a bit more difficult for people like myself who can get fired up quickly under the right circumstances. At times I can be combative and polarizing myself, hypocritical of me to say such things. Thus is the way of the world I guess, my own view of the world ebbs and flows like water in a bay, as do my opinions sometimes on fixed subjects and situations. I do not believe this to be a flaw, just the way things are, I believe the universe to be the same way. Dual and opposing realities coexisting= our perspective shapes all and our perspectives tend to ebb and flow as well. Maybe we should all have a coke and a smile and detach a bit from these topics for awhile, shake that imaginary weight off our shoulders and start refreshed?

[Hawkwind]

This is basically a response to Bill, but I believe will resonate with quite a few other people here- which is why I'm posting it to the forum rather than PMing.

Bill- if I could open up my brain and let you crawl inside I would, because that's the only way you will ever really know how much respect and admiration I have for you. We'd probably both have a fairly good cry afterwards. I'm clearly not alone on this forum in holding you in that high regard. I don't doubt that the moderators who have recently decided to step down also have very great respect for who you are and what you've done. The problem, my friend, is that of late the situation sometimes seems more akin to Theoden under the spell of Grima Wormtongue and Sauruman than that of Arthur at the roundtable.

The question of whether Charles has come here to help us build something new or to tear apart our efforts to do so has been and continues to be the crux of the matter. After two months of investigating that question to the best of my ability, I still don't know. The question has been argued back and forth for so long that it almost seems pointless to argue it further, and yet it remains the heart of the matter.

As with any scientific investigation, one cannot prove the veracity of any given hypothesis. One can only falsify one hypothesis and show evidence which is better explained by another. Also, when direct evidence is unavailable, it becomes necessary to examine effects which are observable and infer cause. That can, of course, be viewed as being "nit picky". It could also be viewed as a sincere effort to get to the bottom of a very deep and potentially dangerous rabbit hole.

After putting in about eight hours a day since the day I joined going through the Charles material, I'm still not a tenth of the way through it. So, some of my observations may indeed be contradicted by other evidence. Given the current turmoil, however, I feel sharing what I've come up with so far is warranted.

1-As previously stated in this post
If the intent of Charles' suggestion to raise some money to help one of our members was actually to initiate some sort of broader movement which Aubrey had confirmed would have far reaching consequences, then the gravity of the issue should have prompted him to discuss it directly with Bill rather than go through intermediaries. That isn't what happened, so I find it incredibly difficult to believe that the real purpose of this incident is as Charles has described it. It feels much more like a set up, the true purpose of which remains unclear. It could be, as Inelia has suggested, an attempt to shift the focus of Avalon into the sphere of finance, which would make it far easier for the elites to control. It could be, as several people have suggested, an attempt to create division among our community. The fact that it has led to several people calling for a re-structuring of Avalon's decision making process, however, leads me to believe that this was its intent from the start.

2-Charles first claimed he asked people to tell him their eye color because it would give him insight into their character. Later he claimed that the purpose was to make us self aware of our composure. At the very least this shows that some degree of dishonesty and manipulation is taking place.

3-Charls first claimed that the plan was his master's and he didn't have the details of it. He later claimed that the plan was his and had his master's approval. To the best of my knowledge, no explanation of this discrepancy has ever been given.

4-Charles first post on the Atticus account(prior to him revealing his identity) was this:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4274-Love-Music&p=97148#post97148

The lyrics to this song are available here:
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Lullaby-lyrics-The-Cure/D6CEAE4B0F367F9F48256BC1002793A3

Not to read too much into someone's taste in music, but does this strike you as something someone who has come to help would post or someone who is gloating over the perceived helplessness of an intended victim, particularly when held in relation to this excerpt from a subsequent post:
Well it's proved one thing so far your predictable prey.

5- If Charles is being straight with us, then there would be powerful people with a vested interest in disrupting his efforts here. If he isn't being straight with us, then the most likely explanation for his presence would be to be disruptive himself. Either way, trained agent provocateurs would likely be planted in the forum. This most definitely appears to be the case, in that several people who joined the forum after Charles' arrival have seemed intentionally disruptive. If Charles is who he says he is, it seems to me he would have the wherewithal to identify and put an end to these efforts, should he so desire. For whatever reason, that hasn't happened.

6-If Charles is a benevolent force in this equation, then given his background as an expert problem solver, we might expect to see some marked improvement in the functioning of the forum. If he is here to bring Avalon down, on the other hand, we might expect increased disruption and discord. Should the latter be true and in light of what Inelia has called his "off the charts" psychic abilities, we might also expect to see some seemingly erratic and completely out of character behavior from some of our core people.

Which theory is better supported by the observable evidence?

In response to- " if anyone does not like me, my style, my values, my principles, my stand on anything and everything, or the way I try my best to lead this team by setting an example everywhere I go, then damn you, and leave now."

My allegiance is to the ideals and principles upon which Avalon is based, the same ideals and principles which you have fought so long and hard to uphold and protect. It seems to many that we have gotten somewhat off course in pursuit of that quest of late. I don't see it as wise to institute a democratic restructuring of decision making at this time. Neither do I see it as wise to close all discussion of the issue with a "my way or the highway" type ultimatum. From my perspective, we've got some problems that need to be dealt with and some grievances that need to be aired. I have been and will continue to attempt to facilitate that process to the best of my ability. If you or members here don't see that as constructive, let me know and I'll either redirect my efforts or take them elsewhere.

I'm very sorry that recent events have been so hard on you, Bill and humble apologies if anything I've done or failed to do added to your burden. I guess we're all doing the best we can with the cards we've got. I sincerely believe we'll get through this and come out of it stronger than we were. I will in any case continue to work toward that end.

Namaste

Rick

Addendum- I don't feel retracting this post would at this point be appropriate. However, I likely wouldn't have posted it had I first read Burke's post http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15437-An-important-announcement-following-the-closure-of-the-WORM-TONGUE-thread&p=163605#post163605 and I will endeavor to make any future posts more in line with the wisdom he expressed. Again, I can't thank you enough for your words. They well and truly floored me.

[Belle]

Well, to say that this has been an interesting few days would be quite an understatement! Painful, yes. Necessary, absolutely.

Many here have spoken about "divide and conquer" or "divide and rule". It appears to me more of a case of spiritual math: "divide and multiply".

A little story here...My ex-husband and I had some communication problems. When I would say something, he'd look at me like I had two heads and both of them were speaking gibberish. I learned to rephrase, over and over again, sometimes over a period of days. At some point, he would finally get it and would say, "why didn't you just say that to begin with?" Well, I had. It just wasn't said in a manner he could understand. We all communicate differently.

To me what appears to be happening is people are re-grouping...moving around to find not only like-minded people, but those who communicate in the same way. Through all of what has happened here, each person has stated a desire to protect Avalon and the "magic" that happens here. The disagreement seems to be about how best to accomplish that, and hence the "battle" for control.

There are many paths to the same goal. Those who have left are blazing their own trail, their own path to the same goal and will attract others...and so more people awaken and grow and learn, drawn by what resonates with them.

Just my thoughts.....

[granny]

Well, got have me say. I do think it was a huge mistake on Richard's part to allow his wife access to the mod area and any other area that is only allowed for admin or mods. As much as she is your life partner and all the rest, that in itself has caused a huge sh.t storm and put you between a rock and a hard place Richard, think about next time and stand up to what you think is best for what your administering in future. And dont say it didnt cause problems because it bloody well did. I am not going into the he said, she said........but if Celine was informing Charles stuff on the phone, gossiping on chat, blocking other members from chat or getting her hubby to do it, that's not f...gin on. I know I couldnt access her profile page, that was obviously you doing that Richard..................not friggin good imho, very unprofessional.

That's my say about that but dont think I wont open my big mouth soon about other stuff, just me. You shouldn't be banning people for trying to inform members of the truth Bill, so your all wrong, the three of you, all of you have made mistakes and that's that. (Penguin time)

I have heard this mentioned before on the board ... could you please explain (Penguin time)?
Thanks Gran

[CyRus]

People please! This is getting ridiculous..
For people who claim we are "enlightened" and spiritual, there sure seems to be vast amounts of immature and childlike behaviour in this forum at present.
In my opinion Bill is like the pillar of this forum, unwavering and resolute at all times. He executes his mission admirably and does not deserve all the sh*t that he gets thrown at him.

Certain people here seem to like inciting drama for no obvious reason, and I would assume the reason is due to the infamous small-man complex. Being given a certain amount of "power" in an arena that they deem to be very important, invariably results in that they develop a greatly oversized ego.

Why do we not just stick to the task at hand, namely the sharing and discussing of alternative information rather than participating in a soap-opera of ad-hominems and character defilements?!

To Bill Ryan: Keep up the good work! You have done nothing wrong and should not apologize. This is your ship (as it where) and you should have full "veto-rights" =)