control freaks on Write4change's thread...

[Teakai]

Dear People, please loosen up and let go of what you deem to be accepted and acceptable behaviour.
Write4change is doing no harm and there are people interested in seeing the outcome.
You may not be.
If you aren't, please just butt out.
It's really easy - just close the thread.
Ignoring the temptation to donate your two cents worth may be harder to do - but consider it practise in character building.

Cheers.

[Anchor]

Control freak?

There is a way of having an area on the forum all to your self. It is called a Group. They are easy to create and you can choose to have them closed, open, moderated etc.

Go here -> http://projectavalon.net/forum4/group.php <- to create one.

That is where you can moderate your own little world - and not try to modify the way a conventional threaded discussion forum works.

People have tried to say "dont post on this thread" - it very rarely works as intended.

[Ahkenaten]

Right on, John. There is a world of difference between a Forum set up for Dialogue and a Bully Pulpit set up for a Monologue.

[Dennis Jonathan]

Agreed.

The problem with some of the most active threads is the dillution of coherent messages.

I love the interaction on these boards, but sometimes I love being a fly on the wall while greater minds that mine are having an exchange.

The format requested is not typical, that is true, but whats wrong with allowing her to speak her mind and give her message that way?

How many threads are started without any replies?

Where are you all for those desired discussions?

There have been some amazing threads here, but lets be honest, there have been some rather insane ones as well.

Jai has proven to be a very articulate, intelligent, experienced, and wise sage here.

There is no need to directly go against a very respectfull request in her thread to prove that "she is not the boss of you".

This is the appropriate thread to discuss your feelings on the matter, if you choose to respect her request. If you do not, then at least respect her as a human being and do not engage at all.

18 people agreed to her request through their thanks, respect them as well.

[Ahkenaten]

I personally feel this thread should be closed because it is divisive and not productive. IMO

[write4change]

thank you Dennis for explaining this so well. I am sorry for the offense for others. I ask you to think about allowing someone to do something different. It is why we can get experimental war machines but not experimental housing.

I am asking for an experimental thread.

[Anchor]

Jai has proven to be a very articulate, intelligent, experienced, and wise sage here.

I agree and do not deny that.


There is no need to directly go against a very respectfull request in her thread to prove that "she is not the boss of you".

This is the appropriate thread to discuss your feelings on the matter, if you choose to respect her request. If you do not, then at least respect her as a human being and do not engage at all.

18 people agreed to her request through their thanks, respect them as well.

I'll stand down. I made my point. I will see how it goes.

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thank you Dennis for explaining this so well. I am sorry for the offense for others. I ask you to think about allowing someone to do something different. It is why we can get experimental war machines but not experimental housing.

I am asking for an experimental thread.

I concur.

Let the experiment role.

At least I did point out an alternative :)

[9eagle9]

Lol... a great many threads are divisive and non productive and if we closed them all we'd have no threads open.

If someone gave W4C some kind instructions I'm sure she'd be quite happy to move her thread to a group once she realizes how badly its disturbing others. I'm pretty sure she didnt' intend to be a bully, and those who wanted to join it could do so without upsetting the currently frail environment of the board. W4C is not familiar with V bulletin formats. I am and was only partially aware of the group function as I have never had need to utilize it. . So thanks for the advice and we'll pass it along.

[Lyricus]

Yep, although I don'y buy into it - I do respect the concept and request.

Hope it goes well for you Write4change.

[write4change]

Thank you to those who have become open to changing their minds. Even with a group thread I can not do much with out co creation. I have to ask others to help me. Ever since the horse kick in the face and the waking up without a memory and the struggle to refind my mind I always believed it had purpose. I always had to struggle about being an intellectual snob; its easy when you test out in the top 1%. When I lost my ability to speak well like saying liver when I mean leather etc., I learned patience and compassion for myself in a way I never had which it allowed me to give it more to others.

[Lord Sidious]

So we haven't had enough drama already?
How can it harm the rest of us to see what she has to say?

[aikya]

It's a bit quirky, and I like quirky. I'm interested and choosing to roll with this and see where it goes.

[Newlyn]

I find this interesting. Don't have to write on write4change:s thread just cause you don't like the idea. That's childish. What about an..
..open mind..? ;)

[Lord Sidious]

Think about it like this, the education system SMOTHERS the crap out of anyone above or below some arbitrary line they create as being ''normal'', whatever that is.
The smart ones usually get bored and just mess around.
We can't do the same here, let everyone have the space they need.
Or it's carrots again.
Capiche?

[jorr lundstrom]

I am amazed. I think the word dialog has got the original purpose changed.

Today dialog means battle with words.

Does anyone think its possible in a choir to create music

if everyone turn singing into a competition about who can sing loadest?:nod:

Isnt this something belonging to a world we say we despise.?

[Dennis Jonathan]

Think about it like this, the education system SMOTHERS the crap out of anyone above or below some arbitrary line they create as being ''normal'', whatever that is.
The smart ones usually get bored and just mess around.
We can't do the same here, let everyone have the space they need.
Or it's carrots again.
Capiche?

Your ability to mesh humor with a great point is appreciated.

Althouth I have to admit, I was hesitant to read your posts at first because of your Avatar/Sig.

I think it was the carrots that did it for me.

No matter who the character, Sith, Demon, Reptilian, or evil clown, they all just seem plain silly when you imagine them chasing you with a raw carrot.

Thanks for the new technique, Ill remember it during my next nightmare :P

[Teakai]

I personally feel this thread should be closed because it is divisive and not productive. IMO

Oh, what a surprise - NOT!!

:lol:

What makes it divisive and non productive for you - it's not the term 'control freak' is it? :lol:

We are most definitely amused.

[Teakai]

People have tried to say "dont post on this thread" - it very rarely works as intended.

Hmmmmmmnnnnnyes. I wonder why it doesn't work.

Any suggestions?

;)

[Jonathon]

I'm all for changing things up a bit. Although I can appreciate both positions, let's just see how it goes - we may all learn something here.

[modwiz]

Dear People, please loosen up and let go of what you deem to be accepted and acceptable behaviour.
Write4change is doing no harm and there are people interested in seeing the outcome.
You may not be.
If you aren't, please just butt out.
It's really easy - just close the thread.
Ignoring the temptation to donate your two cents worth may be harder to do - but consider it practise in character building.

Cheers.

Teakai, I want to thank you for starting this thread and standing up for Write4change.

I also want to thank all the other supporters and John for being great and letting go.

This was a good time to pull together and walk our talk.

This kind of pulling together with uplifting energy is more than just a demonstration of good manners, it is absolutely uplifting. It feels good! Fourth dimensional STS vampiric entities went hungry this time.

We won! On every level we won.

I feel good!

[kinerkid]

Yup. I often work things/situations/possibilities/explore A vs. B/Connect the dots by bouncing seemingly disconnected ideas off other people verbally then and only then can I create a map or guide in my mind. Seems that maybe W4C does this through written prose. Or perhaps that the means she's using since verbal comm isn't available for the masses through a forum such as this. I'm all for letting it roll and appreciate her posts thus far.

[Teakai]

Teakai, I want to thank you for starting this thread and standing up for Write4change.

I also want to thank all the other supporters and John for being great and letting go.

This was a good time to pull together and walk our talk.

This kind of pulling together with uplifting energy is more than just a demonstration of good manners, it is absolutely uplifting. It feels good! Fourth dimensional STS vampiric entities went hungry this time.

We won! On every level we won.

I feel good!

Me too! Your post made me laugh out loud (so did Ahk's), but this time it was with an elated feeling of positive glee.

Go hungry yon vampiric entities - You'll find no meal here.
:lol:

[Ruby L.]

Teakai,

To be fair to John, he has taken Dennis's points on board as well as agreed with write4change's post (in this thread) to let things roll a different way. AND, in what I consider a gesture of grace and showing that he's open to the experiment, has even posted one of the write4change's requested posts on her thread.

What I've been quite frustrated with on the Telling It As It Is thread, though, is Ahkenaten's determination to post 'noise' following his reluctance for the thread's existence. It's okay to not be okay with the thread, that's an opinion-- but it's even better to maintain an opinion and still be respectful and mature about it. If not to w4c, then at least to everyone else who's curious enough and following it to see how w4c's stories relate and unfolds. I, for one, am intrigued.

Besides, there are 13,230 other threads to visit if that one really gets up their nose. 13,230 other threads!

Sorry, Ahkenaten, I don't mean to be disrespectful-- but it's my opinion that you're being intentionally disruptive because that thread does not suit you and isn't to your liking. And notice, I'm posting my opinion about it here, not on the Telling It As It Is thread. (though the title is apt.)

Please... if you don't like that thread, just don't visit it.

Thank you.


ETA: For those whose interest is piqued and haven't seen the thread yet, it's here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15563-Telling-It-Like-It-Is

[Maria Stade]

Thank You all for being kind !

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy77/Vitabuffeln/trstandengelkvinnlig.gif

[Icecold]

Very well played people. I'm proud to be a member of Avalon.

Through a looking glass....clearly.

[Ruby L.]

And Teakai, I also wanted to say thanks for starting this thread. (Just got caught up in the the rest of my post) It's much appreciated.

[Teakai]

Teakai,

To be fair to John, he has taken Dennis's points on board as well as agreed with write4change's post (in this thread) to let things roll a different way. AND, in what I consider a gesture of grace and showing that he's open to the experiment, has even posted one of the write4change's requested posts on her thread.



Absolutely, Ruby L.
Brownie points to all who create with love in their hearts. Not that they need the brownie points, for what worth are brownie points when they have love in their hearts?

Do you think I've been unfair to John?

[Ruby L.]

No, not at all unfair, Teakai. I was simply responding to the post quoted and wanted to illustrate how John, by allowing fluidity in his opinions, created a nice flow. I apologise, I should've added it in my original post to have made it more clear.




People have tried to say "dont post on this thread" - it very rarely works as intended.

Hmmmmmmnnnnnyes. I wonder why it doesn't work.

Any suggestions?

;)

Just that I'm a bit of a slow typer and by the time my post came up, Modwiz and you had already addressed John's coolness about the thread. (that is, being a Kool Kat). Still, thought I'd keep the post. Sorry for any misunderstanding- none was intended.

And thanks, brownies and hearts are always good! :lol:

[modwiz]

Deal with John by PM if you think you have to. I think everything unfolded fine, it was all loving, just not coddling. We acted like adults. Yay!
Onward,forward to the next demonstration of our better nature. Time to disinfect this place with some common courtesy.

No Teakai, I do not think you were unfair to John. I also think John was perfect in every thing he did. The results are what matter. :first:

[Tuza]

I just went to the link about the little lemur, Yoda by the time I found out what happened to him in the end I am real upset now, real upset, poor thing. I feel for you Jai, I am still getting over my devon rex cat bigglesworth passed on in 2008, but his ashes are in a nice wooden box next to me with his photo and a gold plaque.

I know we will see each other again. Yoda will see you again, probably drops in now and again to say hi. xo off topic and I dont care, poking out tongue, na na na nah.

[write4change]

I would like to thank everyone on this thread for this thread. I would not have made it without you.

Teakai you channeled light for me all day and I am deeply appreciative. It has 14 hours for me started by two hours of reading and 12 hours of posting. I am exhausted. I am going to drink some wine and see if any of you have anything to say now that it is over.

[Sowelu]

Personally i just didn't understand her way of writing .
I understand we have people from all over the world here, but i got lost towards the end of it...
Something about the wording of the last few paragraphs i can't tell if its negative or positive or the intent of it.

Perhaps if she could summarize it or explain what she's shooting for?
A thread that isn't supposed to be responded to does seem a little counter productive to growth.
If you're only hearing one side where's the questioning and correlating fit into it all?
One piece of a jigsaw doesn't make the whole puzzle :P
Not to mention if everyone posted a new thread everytime they posted this place would get really confusing really fast.

write4 you should visit the chatrooms, its alot easier to get ideas across realtime.
Since we're actually there it's usually alot more positive too. :)
That way you can answer questions people might have on your postings.
and none of the more negative mumbo jumbo is permenant it just disappears when you close your window.
kinda nice that...

it'll also keep us from clogging up the threads with short posts asking "what did they mean?" etc.

[write4change]

Sowelu,

Just as you cannot comprehend my writing, I cannot comprehend nor function fast enough to do chat rooms. I know I must have offended you in some way in the past since you removed yourself as a friend. I am sorry we do not have the ability to dialogue.

[Teakai]

Hi Write4change - just want to tell you that I agree with all you say on your 'Telling it like it is', thread.

You went to a lot of effort and I wonder if you haven't, for the most part, been preaching to the choir? Or that it's far more complicated and I have missed something particulalry relevant (I do do that.)

Just one thing - where did the relevance of the lemur post come into it - I've been thinking about that little lemur ever since I read it.

[write4change]

That was one of the things that got posted accidentally. I used the wrong number. But I love him so I thought the universe wanted his story told.

[myrm]

I LOVE that comment about the experimental war machines vs the experimental housing...THANKS. Other than that I just got here. Why is everyone always correcting each other on Avalon? Uptight is unfree. myrm

[karelia]

Thank you, Teakai and write4change, one for starting a thread that should be required reading and the other for starting a thread that allows the first one to stand on its own.

It's so refreshing and heart-warming, and I thank you.

As to supporting Bill in a practical manner, I personally like the idea of thanking him for services already rendered. If everyone who can paypals him a fiver for the work he's done this past month alone, or more, or less, just anything, even if it's 2 cents, he'll have one less worry. Scrolling to the bottom of projectavalon.net gives a link to the paypal donate as well as other choices. If you thank him this way for the past month(s), there'll be no expectations because he's already done the work. You know, kind of like you do with your employer: you do the work, and only once you've done the work, you get paid. Personally, when I "donate" something, it's just that, a donation. I don't expect anything in return. But obviously, if I'm driven to donate, I appreciate something that's been done already.

[Anchor]

Hey - don't worry about me :)

Of course we can change things.

The more we try, the better we get at it.

John..

[Newlyn]

:') So much lovely people around. I wish I had you all right here in my room.

/albin

[aikya]

For me, the space which write4change created was like sitting round a warm campfire, in a field, after sunset, listening to a story...

with the benefit that this thread was the space for discussions to take place for those who wished.

[aikya]

I would like to thank everyone on this thread for this thread. I would not have made it without you.

Teakai you channeled light for me all day and I am deeply appreciative. It has 14 hours for me started by two hours of reading and 12 hours of posting. I am exhausted. I am going to drink some wine and see if any of you have anything to say now that it is over.

Thanks w4c for putting all that effort into creating this for us ....I truly appreciate it.

[greybeard]

its good to have a space where you can say what you want without really having an opinion that matters---- as though it does anyway.

ACIM says "The moment you express an opinion know that you are identifying with an illusion."

So turn up the campfire.

Lets sing Mama we are all crazy now.

Anyone for tea?

Me

[Newlyn]

its good to have a space where you can say what you want without really having an opinion that matters as though it does anyway.

ACIM says "The moment you express an opinion know that you are identifying with an illusion."

So turn up the campfire.

Lets sing Mama we are all crazy now.

Anyone for tea?

Me

Absolutely. Is there masala-tea?

[jorr lundstrom]

Ah, Mama we are all crazy now. That song was on Radio Galactica the other day.

They said it was a hit in some Galaxies not many light years away. They liked the

melkody, didnt understand the text, but who cares. Maybye that station is for you

its sending on the notime frequesies and it broadcasts 24/7 love

[Snowbird]

Different is not bad. We, on this forum, are all/each quirky to an extent.

Although I have not as yet read the entirety of W4C's thread, I get the gist of what she is attempting.

We all have to remember one thing however. Even though members-only having posting ability, not every member is here on PA to be part of this community. There are some members whose goal is to divide and conquer and bring down. This statement does not mean that because a few long-standing members objected or questioned, they are a part of the divisiveness. No! They are simply individuals with opinions.

Opening a thread in open forum and asking people to not post, is equivalent to herding cats. That quirkiness in us just itches to push the limit beyond the request. Okay, its an experiment. Just don't expect everyone (all unique talented individual people) to act according to rules. Rules were made to be broken. If selective privacy is desired, with a wish for uninterrupted self-discourse, one should seek out areas where this will be not only possible but probable.

Just saying......... :meeting:

[Heartsong]

I love w4c's thread! and her style! There is depth within and meaning much more that in a typical post. Some thoughts can be expressed in a couple sentences, some in several paragraphs and some in pages. I hope more can make entries in this fashion if they are inspired and talented. :ranger:

[Newlyn]

I hope that everyone on a very personal level learned a lot from what happened on the forum the recent days. I did anyway. I did not want to contribute to threads like "worm tounge" (you should be careful where you put your energy) but this whole thing made me wiser about how it works in big groups like this. I doesn't have to be a bad thing that new things are happening like this. Anger and fight might be a way for god to sometimes change and develop things :)

[Steph]

Jai, you mentioned having lost some friends here. I am sorry for that. I believe I lost one or two along the way here too. What a shame. I say this because I don't always agree with some of my friend's opinions but that does not mean I don't have ears to listen, or that I no longer value them. It is my belief that each person in our lives has a unique lesson to teach us, even though it may take a while to figure out what that lesson is.

I'm sorry your former friends left, I'm sorry for them Jai, not you. I'm sorry they couldn't appreciate your honesty, eloquence or your insights.

Mouse x

[Tuza]

Jai, you mentioned having lost some friends here. I am sorry for that. I believe I lost one or two along the way here too. What a shame. I say this because I don't always agree with some of my friend's opinions but that does not mean I don't have ears to listen, or that I no longer value them. It is my belief that each person in our lives has a unique lesson to teach us, even though it may take a while to figure out what that lesson is.

I'm sorry your former friends left, I'm sorry for them Jai, not you. I'm sorry they couldn't appreciate your honesty, eloquence or your insights.

Mouse x

You can disagree with me anytime sweetheart I will still love you.

[Lord Sidious]

I hope that everyone on a very personal level learned a lot from what happened on the forum the recent days. I did anyway. I did not want to contribute to threads like "worm tounge" (you should be careful where you put your energy) but this whole thing made me wiser about how it works in big groups like this. I doesn't have to be a bad thing that new things are happening like this. Anger and fight might be a way for god to sometimes change and develop things :)

I did indeed learn a lot since it all started going down.

[GK76]

This forum is part of our lives and is currently going through it's own evolution - hence the troubles lately - the changes are here to shape the future, affected by the present, avoiding mistakes of the past. Perhaps we should not make friends here, but accept all as friends. Is it workable though or just a daydream? Anyway enough rambling by me...

I have some cheesecake, I'm off to give my happy food a happy home. :biggrin:

[9eagle9]

Sometimes there is nothing negative or positive in any construct. It just is what it is. That is our problem. Our hearts and minds are always looking for something to react to in order to assign a value to it based on our perception of the world. Which is faulty to begin with. Good-Evil. Positive-Negative. The old adage if you go looking for trouble you'll find it but you'll be even more disconcerted if you don't. Sometimes things just are what they are. Without a value of good or bad. Typically this where true wisdom is found at before we start plastering it with labels and assignments.



Personally i just didn't understand her way of writing .
I understand we have people from all over the world here, but i got lost towards the end of it...
Something about the wording of the last few paragraphs i can't tell if its negative or positive or the intent of it.

Perhaps if she could summarize it or explain what she's shooting for?
A thread that isn't supposed to be responded to does seem a little counter productive to growth.
If you're only hearing one side where's the questioning and correlating fit into it all?
One piece of a jigsaw doesn't make the whole puzzle :P
Not to mention if everyone posted a new thread everytime they posted this place would get really confusing really fast.

write4 you should visit the chatrooms, its alot easier to get ideas across realtime.
Since we're actually there it's usually alot more positive too. :)
That way you can answer questions people might have on your postings.
and none of the more negative mumbo jumbo is permenant it just disappears when you close your window.
kinda nice that...

it'll also keep us from clogging up the threads with short posts asking "what did they mean?" etc.

[ulli]

thank you Dennis for explaining this so well. I am sorry for the offense for others. I ask you to think about allowing someone to do something different. It is why we can get experimental war machines but not experimental housing.

I am asking for an experimental thread.

I'm sorry for bursting into that thread. I was looking for you to invite you to the party,
so I went to your profile, then clicked on the thread you were active on at that moment,
and not having read the earlier posts there I had no idea
it was not to be interfered with.
Otherwise I would have respected your wishes.
I hope it's not a big deal.

[Steph]

This forum is part of our lives and is currently going through it's own evolution - hence the troubles lately - the changes are here to shape the future, affected by the present, avoiding mistakes of the past. Perhaps we should not make friends here, but accept all as friends. Is it workable though or just a daydream? Anyway enough rambling by me...

I have some cheesecake, I'm off to give my happy food a happy home. :biggrin:

It was just a tiny part of W4C's post but it struck me. I don't want to detract from the 'meat' of her post. Sorry for that Jai!.

@ GQ76 - I really like that idea, just because someone isn't on our friend's list, that shouldn't mean they are not considered friends. Yes, all should be considered friends :)

@ Tuza - *hugs*

Now, there are more important things to consider in W4C's posts, sorry for getting off-track.

Mouse x

[aikya]

Different is not bad. We, on this forum, are all/each quirky to an extent.

Although I have not as yet read the entirety of W4C's thread, I get the gist of what she is attempting.

We all have to remember one thing however. Even though members-only having posting ability, not every member is here on PA to be part of this community. There are some members whose goal is to divide and conquer and bring down. This statement does not mean that because a few long-standing members objected or questioned, they are a part of the divisiveness. No! They are simply individuals with opinions.

Opening a thread in open forum and asking people to not post, is equivalent to herding cats. That quirkiness in us just itches to push the limit beyond the request. Okay, its an experiment. Just don't expect everyone (all unique talented individual people) to act according to rules. Rules were made to be broken. If selective privacy is desired, with a wish for uninterrupted self-discourse, one should seek out areas where this will be not only possible but probable.

Just saying......... :meeting:

I agree with the points you make so well here....just want to clarify a little point...w4c's post was not covered by any of the forum 'rules', it was just a simple request from a few of us that we be allowed to participate in a little experiment. I personally loved it and SO appreciated the fact that almost everyone was willing to co-operate and allow it to take place.

[greybeard]

In the spirit of this thread and this thread only


I think it is really important to jump into the middle of conversation and post a contentious opinion without having read any previous posts other than the one prior to this one, further more it is essential that you demand answers to questions that were fully answered three posts back.
It is then important that you miss-understand what is tactfully pointed out in the next post, then give such a long winded and vague reply or even better extremely short but mysterious one so that it requires at least three new threads to be started analyzing what you did not say at all. Which leads to another three rebutting the comments on the very first post of the first thread started which you have not actually read.
Hope you find this unhelpful to say the least, dont Pm me I will Pm you who ever you are,

Now where is my medication?
Nurse!!!!!

[Ahkenaten]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WabT1L-nN-EMaybe the cetaceans are way way ahead of us in the "communication department"...........................perhaps we should ask ourselves whether true communication and respect for individuals is our intention, or is it something else?

[ulli]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WabT1L-nN-EMaybe the cetaceans are way way ahead of us in the "communication department"...........................perhaps we should ask ourselves whether true communication and respect for individuals is our intention, or is it something else?

I'm going to learn that language. Thank you.
I have a feeling I will finally understand what my husband is telling me while he is asleep.
I have often wondered....

[9eagle9]

AND FURTHER MORE !!!!......

Many of us of are calling for understanding, love, connectedness and unity. And when its offered its being judged. Don't ask for what you don't want. Don't be angry at people because they gave you what you have been demanding. Our belief systems about ourselves and our roles have to dissolve on OUR personal level before we have that connection. What separates us is falling away. We just don't like the way its occuring.

People have gotten what they asked for. A dissolving of what was false, what was hendering us in unity. When those roles and constructs were revealed and taken away people who called for unity were angry, sad, betrayed and upset. But that is what you asked for. A process of unification. That which wasn't real was taken away. It was the role of what was taken away, the projection that you were attached to. What was real remained behind.

We will see a great deal of polarization and division but that's only one one level of co creation the breaking down part that allows new creative force to enter. . We are co creating now our wishes being fulfilled. That which is shedding off wasn't real. You asked for unification, and now we are getting it. In order to allow it we have to get rid of our attachments to what really isn't real.

If it was real.... It would still be here. So decide now. Do you want a role or do you want real? For those who are offering real don't judge it based on a role. We are here to best down belief systems that have held us prisoner, not create more. Or mourn that which wasn't real to begin with. This is not my opinion, I'm listening to what people are asking for.



In the spirit of this thread and this thread only


I think it is really important to jump into the middle of conversation and post a contentious opinion without having read any previous posts other than the one prior to this one, further more it is essential that you demand answers to questions that were fully answered three posts back.
It is then important that you miss-understand what is tactfully pointed out in the next post, then give such a long winded and vague reply or even better extremely short but mysterious one so that it requires at least three new threads to be started analyzing what you did not say at all. Which leads to another three rebutting the comments on the very first post of the first thread started which you have not actually read.
Hope you find this unhelpful to say the least, dont Pm me I will Pm you who ever you are,

Now where is my medication?
Nurse!!!!!

[ulli]

In the spirit of this thread and this thread only


I think it is really important to jump into the middle of conversation and post a contentious opinion without having read any previous posts other than the one prior to this one, further more it is essential that you demand answers to questions that were fully answered three posts back.
It is then important that you miss-understand what is tactfully pointed out in the next post, then give such a long winded and vague reply or even better extremely short but mysterious one so that it requires at least three new threads to be started analyzing what you did not say at all. Which leads to another three rebutting the comments on the very first post of the first thread started which you have not actually read.
Hope you find this unhelpful to say the least, dont Pm me I will Pm you who ever you are,

Now where is my medication?
Nurse!!!!!

you don't need your MED-S you need a MED-AL. You have done your homework.
Good BOY!!!

[ulli]

Tools for thought:

1 Thesis...2 Antithesis...3 Synthesis

or

1 Affirming...2 Denying...3 Reconciling

Most people get stuck in the first two, and don't move to the number 3 position where it all becomes connected.
Only at the 3 point can they move out of the impasse and grow to the next level.

[firstlook]

You know I have been thinking about alot of these recent threads about people expressing themselves. I coming to the belief, yes just a belief so far, that expression guarantees no influence on perspectives outside from yourself. As much as the issue of communication is an important factor in socially healthy society, I'm not sure what the context of "expression" and "Communication" can be defined as. It seems that every single person on this planet is not sure either. This idea of communicating all the energy and love one has in him or herself really gets me thinking about the ascension process along with what a "god-mind being" is truly like.

Alot of us who feel difficulties in communication seem to be experimenting with their free will. It really does seem that the best method of knowledge is experimentation as William Blake says.

What does it mean to experience a change of complete being? Is it coherent or more akin to chaos up until the point of evolution.

All in all, I keep coming back to the law of non-interference and respect of free will choice. If a person makes a request that in no way challenges your path, then it would seem it is up to you to understand that if you disagree with this request, how can you take this disagreement and not communicate this disagreement into this other persons free will?

I think one of the hangups that I have been struggling with in the truth community is to understand that sometimes, I dont need to voice my concern. I do not need to express myself at that moment when i truly think about my own path.

I'm really juggling the idea that criticism at all, is something that is needed to communicate peace and understanding. It may sound radical, but it keeps rattling around in my head.

I keep thinking about the ending of the matrix trilogy and the "battle" between Neo and Mr. Smith. Maybe this philosophy is not contextual but perhaps instead the only pure path to manifestation and understanding of existence/consciousness.

Perhaps self sacrifice is presented at every moment of communication.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/self-sacrifice

Just some thoughts. :)

[granny]

Think about it like this, the education system SMOTHERS the crap out of anyone above or below some arbitrary line they create as being ''normal'', whatever that is.
The smart ones usually get bored and just mess around.
We can't do the same here, let everyone have the space they need.
Or it's carrots again.
Capiche?

Oh boy ... carrots!
Widdle Wrabbit

But ... from Granny ... what thread ... is this it?

[Carmody]

The closer you get to the unity of knowing and silence.... the more the mind rambles and expresses.

All thoughts must be completed before silence befalls the mind. The wringing out of the mind, the rambling of the muse and the fears, the expectations, the desires..and finally...it ends.

Darkest before the light, and all that.

Just my experience. I've done this at least twice before... and each time it gets easier, and each time I can do a better job of explaining it.


The unity of mind is both the zero and the one. It is all signal..and nothing..at the same time. As you move toward that finality and opening, your mind runs out of control. It is an entirely natural thing, in my understanding and experience.

Understanding that... helps one deal with it and control it, if personally desired.

Ye olde: 'whatever works for you', kinda thing.

[write4change]

Good morning to all who have been here.

I just finished the last two pages with my tea. There has been nothing earth shaking revealed here. Both eagle and firstlook were very thought provoking. And ulli, jumping in, is also part of the process.

I understand all of things you have brought up. Major factors push people in different directions. I have been using a scoop forum platform for years. What is good about that is that I can choose to reply to the thread or reply to eagle specifically. My reply to eagle is part of the public commentary if people want to view it. They have a choice to click to branch off or stay with the main flow of the thread. I really miss the ability to reply directly to people immediately.

I am lead to believe that it is a much more expensive program. Where I come from dailykos, they just implemented dk4, that is how many upgrades they have gone thru. This last one has even more bells and whistles but they have no time for posting manuals or directions for the old and handicapped. We represent only a small part of the population together. It was publicly discussed about the allocation of resources. The answer was not no but not now. It is way over my head and my frustration level cannot get through it. But most of my frustration is not the program but doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result. DK is about gathering little money from little people to battle the PTB. They refuse to accept the reality staring them in the face that that battle is already lost and they can only change the paradigm.

I am constantly told by people who love me that my posts are too long. I am from the old school when newspapers would actually tackle a subject and devote most of three or four pages to it. Not often and selectively. What exists in my brain is what was deeply embedded. I was lucky I had such an extensive education 30 years ago. Also those things used over and over with deep repetitive patterns remain. But everyday surface things are not there much. I cannot remember any thing 30 days before or after the so called accident. To learn phone numbers I have to write them at least 500 times. I know no phone number but my own. I cannot afford a cell and a land line. If I get caught somewhere I can call no one because no one is listed anymore and I can't remember where they exactly live by number.

I can not do chat rooms to me it is too fast and too elliptical. It is interesting to me that a great part of this problem is that my ego is often under analysis rather than my brain damage. But I have learned to live with that also. To people who did not know me before functioning at 80% seems perfectly normal. And I am grateful to the universe I had 20% to give what if I had started at 80? But I must tell you on a political site that can really get into the nitty gritty of people; they go to your profile first---here on a spiritual site, I am cut almost no slack for being who I am because few people bother to find out before they jump all over me.

As a result of still being able to learn, I will process for a long time. I kept periodically reading Celine because I thought I was not understanding her. What was I missing? It was least 500 post before I was sure that what I didn't understand wasn't there.

I am not trying to herd cats. I am trying to convey perceptions and see what consensus is. If we are going to telepathy, and I have had a few experiences that makes me think we are, emotion will be woven with thought processes. Those who bang you with emotion with big holes lacking thought will be shielded from. Part of the problem of learning telepathy is learning to turn down the noise level. While people talk about that being cool, they find the thought very scary because it will be known what you know and don't know and why you chose it. At the same time, things will be seen in a bigger picture.

The brain is a strange thing. Loosing some things means gaining in others. I have lost a lot of surface which leaves a lot of depth. I understand intimacy in a way I never have before. Telepathy will initially be based on intimacy. Divide and conquer is a way to avoid that. I think the PTB really fear telepathy. As we learn to communicate this faster and faster, by the time they shut it down the internet we may be close to telepathy. My thoughts tell me that telling you to get down with me is part of the process.

Western society is currently stuck in perpetual adolescence due to cultural resistance to experience the downward journey prescribed or necessary for maturation in many indigenous mythologies. The easiest way to prevent access to the development of a society is to identity that downward journey as evil or a pain body no one wants to experience. Arrested maturity by resisting that downward descent is what is delaying the transformational process.

It is said that we are the only species that has the will to refuse to bloom or flower. We can co operate with the evolutionary dance and we can say yes or no but we cannot shape it to our will. That is the frustration to the PTB, it is what they seek to control and will not see that whatever thread they pull on only releases from the tapestry of the universe; it does not unravel it.

I thought one of the most interesting sub stories of the Matrix was that they first tried to create a Utopian society but the brains of the masses rejected it. They had to have a substantial dose of misery to feel comfortable. Do you see that played out on a regular basis? Choosing to produce seeds that are dead ends and demanding monopolies on them? Remember our basic human fascination with death---50% of the scientists at Los Alamos voted they believed the atomic blast could ignite the atmosphere and they did it anyway!

I am not cuty pie. I am deep thought. Do you allow a role for that here? I am still finding my way with that.
If you are living in an earthship where everything is integrated and all seen as part of the whole---the garbage man is just as important as the captain unlike now where he is seen as low man on the totem pole and subject for abuse.

[Ahkenaten]

Tools for thought:

1 Thesis...2 Antithesis...3 Synthesis

or

1 Affirming...2 Denying...3 Reconciling

Most people get stuck in the first two, and don't move to the number 3 position where it all becomes connected.
Only at the 3 point can they move out of the impasse and grow to the next level.

OR how about something completely different - how about everyone just dose themselves up good with some LSD. THAT should straighten out all the kinks in the equipment!!:twitch: Only kidding;)

[write4change]

Graham Hancock would endorse that. What does it say about scientists/anthropologists who put forth the theory that man made a cataclysmic leap of evolution due to eating hallucinogenic plants and then believe the experience is no longer valid and modern day man does not need to do it? So Hancock does it and researches it like everything else he has done and says it is part of the evolutionary process and comes to the speculation that every person's past life in on their DNA and they can access it with the plants etc. Part of the problem is most people do not want to reflect on their current life much liss all of them?????

[ulli]

Graham Hancock would endorse that. What does it say about scientists/anthropologists who put forth the theory that man made a cataclysmic leap of evolution due to eating hallucinogenic plants and then believe the experience is no longer valid and modern day man does not need to do it? So Hancock does it and researches it like everything else he has done and says it is part of the evolutionary process and comes to the speculation that every person's past life in on their DNA and they can access it with the plants etc. Part of the problem is most people do not want to reflect on their current life much liss all of them?????

There is resistance to introspection. A relationship with the self is what is needed.
Only when it is understood that the outer world is nothing but a screen of the inner projector and one sees the connectedness between the two only THEN does the big lightbulb go on.
Just ask Buddha.

Anyway, once that is achieved the real trip begins. And it is a TRIP, man!
No more need for externals.

[ulli]

Tools for thought:

1 Thesis...2 Antithesis...3 Synthesis

or

1 Affirming...2 Denying...3 Reconciling

Most people get stuck in the first two, and don't move to the number 3 position where it all becomes connected.
Only at the 3 point can they move out of the impasse and grow to the next level.

OR how about something completely different - how about everyone just dose themselves up good with some LSD. THAT should straighten out all the kinks in the equipment!!:twitch: Only kidding;)

No you are not. It works, and you know it, that's why you said it.
I wasn't going to do another party so soon again but someone has to balance what's happening in the worm hole.
Or instead of a party, a movie show, sit back, relax and let the waves gently lap over your mind.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzTg7YXuy34&feature=player_embedded#!

[pilotsimone]

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[Teakai]

Different is not bad. We, on this forum, are all/each quirky to an extent.

Although I have not as yet read the entirety of W4C's thread, I get the gist of what she is attempting.

We all have to remember one thing however. Even though members-only having posting ability, not every member is here on PA to be part of this community. There are some members whose goal is to divide and conquer and bring down. This statement does not mean that because a few long-standing members objected or questioned, they are a part of the divisiveness. No! They are simply individuals with opinions.

Opening a thread in open forum and asking people to not post, is equivalent to herding cats. That quirkiness in us just itches to push the limit beyond the request. Okay, its an experiment. Just don't expect everyone (all unique talented individual people) to act according to rules. Rules were made to be broken. If selective privacy is desired, with a wish for uninterrupted self-discourse, one should seek out areas where this will be not only possible but probable.
Just saying......... :meeting:

Hi Snowbird - that certainly makes sense. I guess that's why we are where we are in the world today.

Write4change wasn't enforcing rules - she was merely asking for co-operation. Some thought about it and chose to give their co-operation. Some simply reacted without logical reason or thought, but by sheer ego reaction. How does this suit me? What's in this for me? Do I like this?

Does that justify their chosen behaviour - I don't know, it's their journey - but it does make it predictable. Which is why I think Write4change is able to give such close to the bone character analysis.
It's all textbook behaviour. Predictable, measurable. Laying false claim to originality.

[Teakai]

Graham Hancock would endorse that. What does it say about scientists/anthropologists who put forth the theory that man made a cataclysmic leap of evolution due to eating hallucinogenic plants and then believe the experience is no longer valid and modern day man does not need to do it? So Hancock does it and researches it like everything else he has done and says it is part of the evolutionary process and comes to the speculation that every person's past life in on their DNA and they can access it with the plants etc. Part of the problem is most people do not want to reflect on their current life much liss all of them?????

I've heard David Icke say that he's known people who have taken hallucinogenics and remained as unenlightened as they had been prior to the experience.

And I think Terrence McKenna said something similar.

Should like to add, though - that I feel it's absolutely none of the government's business and they have no right to determine our choices in that regard.

[Icecold]

Graham Hancock would endorse that. What does it say about scientists/anthropologists who put forth the theory that man made a cataclysmic leap of evolution due to eating hallucinogenic plants and then believe the experience is no longer valid and modern day man does not need to do it? So Hancock does it and researches it like everything else he has done and says it is part of the evolutionary process and comes to the speculation that every person's past life in on their DNA and they can access it with the plants etc. Part of the problem is most people do not want to reflect on their current life much liss all of them?????

The universe is pulling the strings of every soul. It will rightly determine what is right for each individual and that individual will likely think that it is their choice. One thing will not play out for everybody.

As 9eagle9 suggests, suspend belief and give up your control to the universe and let it just happen. The universe knows what its doing.

[Ahkenaten]

Somebody needs to give this poor wombat some carrots.............................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnJUWwSx1kE&feature=related

[ulli]

Graham Hancock would endorse that. What does it say about scientists/anthropologists who put forth the theory that man made a cataclysmic leap of evolution due to eating hallucinogenic plants and then believe the experience is no longer valid and modern day man does not need to do it? So Hancock does it and researches it like everything else he has done and says it is part of the evolutionary process and comes to the speculation that every person's past life in on their DNA and they can access it with the plants etc. Part of the problem is most people do not want to reflect on their current life much liss all of them?????

I've heard David Icke say that he's known people who have taken hallucinogenics and remained as unenlightened as they had been prior to the experience.

And I think Terrence McKenna said something similar.

Should like to add, though - that I feel it's absolutely none of the government's business and they have no right to determine our choices in that regard.

Spot-on! Although I can't remember Terrence Mckenna saying that, but I found it to be true. Recreational use is useless. Motive is everything.

[9eagle9]

And its boring. The textbook predictable behavior. The person who is so veddy loving, and holier than thou, and parrroting empty words just takes a back seat to the person that honestly admits they drank too much and threw up in their purse.





Different is not bad. We, on this forum, are all/each quirky to an extent.

Although I have not as yet read the entirety of W4C's thread, I get the gist of what she is attempting.

We all have to remember one thing however. Even though members-only having posting ability, not every member is here on PA to be part of this community. There are some members whose goal is to divide and conquer and bring down. This statement does not mean that because a few long-standing members objected or questioned, they are a part of the divisiveness. No! They are simply individuals with opinions.

Opening a thread in open forum and asking people to not post, is equivalent to herding cats. That quirkiness in us just itches to push the limit beyond the request. Okay, its an experiment. Just don't expect everyone (all unique talented individual people) to act according to rules. Rules were made to be broken. If selective privacy is desired, with a wish for uninterrupted self-discourse, one should seek out areas where this will be not only possible but probable.
Just saying......... :meeting:

Hi Snowbird - that certainly makes sense. I guess that's why we are where we are in the world today.

Write4change wasn't enforcing rules - she was merely asking for co-operation. Some thought about it and chose to give their co-operation. Some simply reacted without logical reason or thought, but by sheer ego reaction. How does this suit me? What's in this for me? Do I like this?

Does that justify their chosen behaviour - I don't know, it's their journey - but it does make it predictable. Which is why I think Write4change is able to give such close to the bone character analysis.
It's all textbook behaviour. Predictable, measurable. Laying false claim to originality.

[Teakai]

And its boring. The textbook predictable behavior. The person who is so veddy loving, and holier than thou, and parrroting empty words just takes a back seat to the person that honestly admits they drank too much and threw up in their purse.



Absolutely, 9eagle9 - give me the up front person before the fraud everytime - so long as it's their purse they're thowing up in.
Otherwise I'd rather just go read a book and let them both have at it.

Both have predicatble behaviour patterns though :) Both to do with sabotage - one of self, one of others.

[write4change]

Graham Hancock and Rick Strassman both emphasis person, set, and setting. Strassment did his study just as substantial research was being discovered about the pineal gland. For Strassman to get his request for research approved his selection process was to have people who had already take multiple trips with the DMT Molecule and other hallucinogens. Thus, their survival was guaranteed. You have to remember the government does what it does for our "protection."

Strassmand studies conclusively proved that there was not addiction process of any kind ever.

As to dangerous, they did drop two people from continuing. They found that the IV injection was immediate and explosive. Most people had to take a long time to process it. But the actual experience never lasted longer than five minutes; it just felt that way and the since of time was different with different people.

Hancock says the minute he was unwilling to stay with the experience and opened his eyes, it stopped. Then he would realize what he did and he would take more and go back down. Hancock's Supernatural compares his experience with different stuff in different places under different guidance. Invaluable if you are ever going to explore this.

I am putting this up to sustain this thread because I have something valuable to say. I fell asleep listening to material from this site and I just woke up. And something valuable for you to consider.

[witchy1]

Now where is my medication?
Nurse!!!!!

Here I am Greybeard, sorry I took so long, its been hectic - *wipes brow*.

Now IMHO it appears you have one of the most severe cases of "caring concern impartiality empathy and kindness" I have ever seen!
I want you to take 2 of these :hug: and one of these :tea: and have a restful nights sleep:sleep:. Please call me again in the morning if you are not refreshed. May your dreams be filled with peace love and happiness

W

[pilotsimone]

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[Dennis Jonathan]

For every action, there is reaction.

When a pattern is detected, an educated decision can be made.

I noticed an immediate feeling of calm, growth, and deeper understanding would occur after every post of Jai's I read.

I choose that.

Thank you Mama Jai, truly.

Anyone who attempts to stifle, silence, or remove even one of her posts, does this forum a great injustice.

Btw, I'm going by my First and middle name now, to avoid any confusion with Dennis Leahy. Another person I respect greatly on these boards.

Eyes and soul remain unchanged :P.

[Sowelu]

And its boring. The textbook predictable behavior. The person who is so veddy loving, and holier than thou, and parrroting empty words just takes a back seat to the person that honestly admits they drank too much and threw up in their purse.



Different is not bad. We, on this forum, are all/each quirky to an extent.

Although I have not as yet read the entirety of W4C's thread, I get the gist of what she is attempting.

We all have to remember one thing however. Even though members-only having posting ability, not every member is here on PA to be part of this community. There are some members whose goal is to divide and conquer and bring down. This statement does not mean that because a few long-standing members objected or questioned, they are a part of the divisiveness. No! They are simply individuals with opinions.

Opening a thread in open forum and asking people to not post, is equivalent to herding cats. That quirkiness in us just itches to push the limit beyond the request. Okay, its an experiment. Just don't expect everyone (all unique talented individual people) to act according to rules. Rules were made to be broken. If selective privacy is desired, with a wish for uninterrupted self-discourse, one should seek out areas where this will be not only possible but probable.
Just saying......... :meeting:

Hi Snowbird - that certainly makes sense. I guess that's why we are where we are in the world today.

Write4change wasn't enforcing rules - she was merely asking for co-operation. Some thought about it and chose to give their co-operation. Some simply reacted without logical reason or thought, but by sheer ego reaction. How does this suit me? What's in this for me? Do I like this?

Does that justify their chosen behaviour - I don't know, it's their journey - but it does make it predictable. Which is why I think Write4change is able to give such close to the bone character analysis.
It's all textbook behaviour. Predictable, measurable. Laying false claim to originality.

I really hope all this wasn't directed at my posting.
Write4change actually thanked My post so i think you have me confused with the original poster.:P

In my post i was analyzing the back and forth and sharing my opionion asking simply for a summary cause the original post was hard to comprehend because of how it was written. Different people from different countries often have trouble understanding eachother.
(and yes i did read the entire original thread),
i wanted to know what the experiment" was about
and I only suggested chat to avoid character targeting posts that have become so frequent as of late.

as for there being "no such thing as negativety or positive" i must say passive agressiveness certainly doesn't seem very condusive to people getting along. (no matter who it's directed at)

and while i realize that avoiding ALL of that is not possible with so many people (or cats) but we all got along better up until recently, lets force that "bully" mentality out now.
You should see my "Take a deep breath thread" this is where my heart lies, i just want the fighting over opinions to stop. I'm not trying to 1/up anyone, just clarifying any possible misunderstanding.

And i highly doubt that anyone here really has a "holier than thou" mentality, and if they do they're small in numbers.
Everyone just keeps getting misunderstood, and misquoted.
I believe we all have something to offer, and i never turned down write4change's idea nor anyone's for that matter.

Perhaps instead of analyzing personal opionions (directed at the thread starter) we should move past it and just post our response to the original idea?

Really now guys, lets be friends okay? I got no beef with any of you <3

¤=[Post Update]=¤

wrong set of quotes but i was asking eagle from where he quoted me before if this was related ^_^'

[Icecold]

Pax Avalonia,

pax in terra

[Lord Sidious]

Ah, Mama we are all crazy now. That song was on Radio Galactica the other day.

They said it was a hit in some Galaxies not many light years away. They liked the

melkody, didnt understand the text, but who cares. Maybye that station is for you

its sending on the notime frequesies and it broadcasts 24/7 love



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4V4xYkbCqQ



The universe is pulling the strings of every soul. It will rightly determine what is right for each individual and that individual will likely think that it is their choice. One thing will not play out for everybody.

As 9eagle9 suggests, suspend belief and give up your control to the universe and let it just happen. The universe knows what its doing.

Let go of the rope.

[panopticon]

Pax Avalonia,

pax in terra

And with you my friend.

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[Buchanan561]

I just went to the link about the little lemur, Yoda by the time I found out what happened to him in the end I am real upset now, real upset, poor thing. I feel for you Jai, I am still getting over my devon rex cat bigglesworth passed on in 2008, but his ashes are in a nice wooden box next to me with his photo and a gold plaque.

I know we will see each other again. Yoda will see you again, probably drops in now and again to say hi. xo off topic and I dont care, poking out tongue, na na na nah.

Tuza, I believe what you say about 'bigglesworth' and seeing him. Many years ago I had a beautiful calico colored cat and while prowling one day she got run over by a car. I was heartbroken and cried off and on for days. My daughter buried her in a beautiful container in her garden. Later about two weeks later I was sitting in my living room and all of a sudden I saw her jump from one of my recliners onto the sofa. It was just a flash but I recognized her. I then knew that she was still with me.
Also.....Many years ago, I had one of my out of body things where I woke up in my astral body but sill lay on my sofa where I had fallen asleep. I felt something up against my back and noticed a black cat curled up looking at me. I then looked lower down my body and saw two more light grey ones laying curled around my knees and feet. Then several walking around on the floor. This was in my large Den/office/library, etc. I looked at the one on my shoulder with its nose in my neck and said.....'You are a cat" This cat spoke back and said "yes". I then asked this cat....what are you doing here...She spoke back and said......."we live here. We always live here". I said OK and arose from the sofa. By then I was zapped again into another dimension where it was another learning experience from my watchers and teachers. But the cats being there must have meant that they found it a comfort to be in my 'esoteric' 'spiritual' special place in my home. I just wanted to share.....Emma

[Buchanan561]

I LOVE that comment about the experimental war machines vs the experimental housing...THANKS. Other than that I just got here. Why is everyone always correcting each other on Avalon? Uptight is unfree. myrm

Exactly!!! It does seem that there is always conflict. There are the usual hecklers whom you find on every thread. They are there just to cause discord. And I have often wondered why that was allowed by moderators. But it seems to be unchecked as it continues. Makes it very difficult to follow what someone is trying to share or educate others.

There are those who complained about write4change wanting to have a thread that was for education only and not for discussion, at least until she told her story and then ask for comments. But, rudeness set in as always and destroyed the continuity of her train of thought and desires to try to help someone.

Her intent, I could see all along was to do something to Help Bill Ryan but that has now gone by the wayside with a lot of confusion IMPOV. I still think something needs to be started to accomplish what she tried to get across and that was, money coming in from us to help keep this forum afloat with nothing left for himself. From what I hear, It keeps Bill drained of finances. Nothing left. So I am asking why this is as it should not be.

Why can't someone who would know how to set something up where we could send money via PayPal to provide for him all the comforts of living. I will contribute towards that. I sent money when it was needed after Jan 1st with thousands of new viewers and members.

I know there are plenty of you on this forum who would have the ability to set something up, with donations going into a special fund, with someone keeping tabs of the money and put accounts of the money where all could view what was coming in and how much. total. etc. But not be in the view of non-members of forum. But we could take their donations, just not reveal the statistics.

Anyway........someone needs to address that issue as I do believe that was Write4change 's main objective in starting her thread. Thank you write4change for this wonderful thread and all you put in it. You once told me that I was a wonderful person (paraphrase) so I say to you.......It takes one to know one. Emma

[Buchanan561]

Jai, you mentioned having lost some friends here. I am sorry for that. I believe I lost one or two along the way here too. What a shame. I say this because I don't always agree with some of my friend's opinions but that does not mean I don't have ears to listen, or that I no longer value them. It is my belief that each person in our lives has a unique lesson to teach us, even though it may take a while to figure out what that lesson is.

I'm sorry your former friends left, I'm sorry for them Jai, not you. I'm sorry they couldn't appreciate your honesty, eloquence or your insights.

Mouse x

Don't you worry little one. They are not gone. They have just gone for a visit. They have love for both. They will be back, and it will be OK to want to suport both boats that are afloat on this sea. Home is where the heart is. They are not gone forever as I have seen them here on this forum since. And when I do I smile within and tell myself that all is well. And all is well and as perhaps it should be.

But this little place will not sink, and in time it will grow. As the 'one across the street' will also. I love them both. As I am sure you all do also. I joined there too but have not gone inside. Just joined. They are not my enemy just because they left. Nor yours either. All is well. Emma

[Ahkenaten]

..................................

[Ruby L.]

Fair is fair, Ahkenaten. If you looked further than simply trying to make your point fit-- you would've added this link, too:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15563-Telling-It-Like-It-Is&p=166102&viewfull=1#post166102

And this one, from Bill's side:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15563-Telling-It-Like-It-Is&p=166161&viewfull=1#post166161

You don't like the idea of the thread, that's fine. But please stop your smear campaign.
If you can't let yourself go with it, then just let it go. Simple.

[Snowbird]

Different is not bad. We, on this forum, are all/each quirky to an extent.

Although I have not as yet read the entirety of W4C's thread, I get the gist of what she is attempting.

We all have to remember one thing however. Even though members-only having posting ability, not every member is here on PA to be part of this community. There are some members whose goal is to divide and conquer and bring down. This statement does not mean that because a few long-standing members objected or questioned, they are a part of the divisiveness. No! They are simply individuals with opinions.

Opening a thread in open forum and asking people to not post, is equivalent to herding cats. That quirkiness in us just itches to push the limit beyond the request. Okay, its an experiment. Just don't expect everyone (all unique talented individual people) to act according to rules. Rules were made to be broken. If selective privacy is desired, with a wish for uninterrupted self-discourse, one should seek out areas where this will be not only possible but probable.

Just saying......... :meeting:

Quoting myself above, after having just now come back from reading the last two pages of W4C's Telling It Like It Is thread........drumroll........ :lol: :popcorn: :yes4:

[Buchanan561]

Buchanan - if you want to wade through the Telling It Like it Is Post, you might see that something is rotten in Denmark. Sorry for using the country "Denmark," it is an euphemism. Anyway, amongst the stream of consciousness narrative written by Write4Change lo and behold, somehow by mistake, some aspersions were cast..............some unproven, unfounded allusions were made. Check it out at

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15563-Telling-It-Like-It-Is&p=166077&viewfull=1#post166077


Perhaps you did not read it the same way I did. And you Mr. Ahkenaten, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Get a life and leave others who want to have peace find a space without you. From what I can see your only reason for being on this forum is to interject yourself into everything and create chaos.

Bill Ryan was not being disrespected by this thread. There were many stories going about on this forum that needed to be put to rest. I myself could see no better way to do that than expose everything to the light of day. Once all the 'little' bits of gossip here and there could finally be put to rest with no need for further speculation.

This may have happened if not for all the interjections from people just like yourself who try to destroy everything they come in contact with. This woman meant this man no harm. The people who were interested in this thread, after it was allowed to get going, believed it was for the good of this forum, its leader, and its members. It is strange that so many others could see this and you could not.

But then again, you are you, are you not. It is too bad that her train of thought and her zest to create such and understanding got lost in the fray. However this experiment will lead to a change in the way this forum is set up. They will make a way for more of the same type of thread to be created and then used as a teaching tool for people who really need the teaching.

It will happen as members will demand it. And Bill Ryan, with his honest desire to respond to the members needs will set that up. And in time he will understand what was behind Write4change desire to post what she did. Too bad that it was destroyed by misunderstanding from others. But this will clear up in time and if this forum developes such an new idea as what w4c wanted to create this forum will grow even more. We need teaching and education. Right now all we have is chaotic posting which new comers learn little from. We need change. Unfortunately there are those who resist change.

However I have hope for this forum. There are many, many, many very bright and educated people who can, in another kind of thread share that knowledge with others who are starving for that information.

This sounds harsh but sometimes we have to break away from form and speak up about what we see. That is what I have done. Emma

[Ahkenaten]

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[Caterpillars Lens]

instead of carrots:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/4739134125_4a746d1d9c.jpg

Peace folks!
:)

[Ruby L.]

Okay, Ahkenaten. Let's look at this way, then:

write4change's opening post: 68 people who think the concept is acceptable.
This thread's opening post: 29 people who also think it's acceptable.

The baiting technique obviously works here; 97 fish have bitten. You haven't. So, swim away.

Peace out.

[Pilgrim]

I think, my dear friends, if anyone of us wants to share something with others why not to hear her/him/it? We can show our respect, patience, discipline and good heart to let it go and follow the flow. We can discuss our oppinions here as was proposed. If she explained her reasons. I can not see any problem in that. She has my full support on that. Namaste

[pilotsimone]

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[Newlyn]

The pot stirring on the forum is really becoming transparent. This seems like a good thing! It's all in the open for everyone to see clearly.

Here's a quote I was sent by a friend during a very difficult time. I think it applies to PA as well...

Only to the extent that we expose ourselves over and over to annihilation can that which is indestructible be found in us. ~Pema Chödrön

Birth is painful and messy. What comes out of it is quite miraculous!

Keep your heads up! :)

Right on spot, dear! The exposing makes us vulnerable, but than the truth can be found, and the rest will go!

The prosess of awakening, of self realization is something that happens over and over. Sometimes the lightwarrior asks him/herself: Am I really getting somewhere? This is just humiliating. I'm just going in circles! But then suddenly he/she realizes: It's not a circle, it's a spiral.

A spiral that goes deeper and deeper.

Love

(edit: this thread is nice ;) )

[Teakai]

Buchanan - if you want to wade through the Telling It Like it Is Post, you might see that something is rotten in Denmark. Sorry for using the country "Denmark," it is an euphemism. Anyway, amongst the stream of consciousness narrative written by Write4Change lo and behold, somehow by mistake, some aspersions were cast..............some unproven, unfounded allusions were made. Check it out at

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15563-Telling-It-Like-It-Is&p=166077&viewfull=1#post166077

Hi Ahk - are you able to tell us what it was?
What is it that was rotten? Please reveal.

As to the unproven allusions - are you talking about Write4change taking such laborious effort to write for us certain things because she is unable to cut and paste? The part where Astrid helped out by providing a link so we could all read it for ourseves? (Thanks, Astrid BTW)
Or are you just focusing on ill intent for the heck of it?

[Pharaohs Maze]

If someone wants a thread all to them selves its fine by me... its not as though there are a limited amount to go around! Another soloution would be to give each profile a blog area! Ive seen that work on other forums.
One thing I will say here is that I have spent many more hours in the pages of these forums than I can really afford and for very little reward... Perhaps I am niave to the hard work needed to be involved in forums ! But I feel that there are may people here who say very much very often yet say nothing much at all!
I have learnt far more about the woes of forum moderaters than I ever intended and yet I have very little more info on the actual research of Bill Ryan.

And with that said I fear I may be aproaching hypocrisy!

[Lord Sidious]

The pot stirring on the forum is really becoming transparent. This seems like a good thing! It's all in the open for everyone to see clearly.

Here's a quote I was sent by a friend during a very difficult time. I think it applies to PA as well...

Only to the extent that we expose ourselves over and over to annihilation can that which is indestructible be found in us. ~Pema Chödrön

Birth is painful and messy. What comes out of it is quite miraculous!

Keep your heads up! :)

Excellent post and I like your avatar.
Purple rules.
Trust me, I am an emperor, I know these things.