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witchy1
4th March 2011, 11:21
The question: Did Miniature Humans Populate Earth 12,000 Years Ago?

In 2003, a team of Australian-Indonesian archaeologists made a remarkable discovery in Liang Bua Cave, which is located on the Island of Flores, in East Nusa Tenggara, Indonesia. The group was searching for evidence of the original human migration when they discovered a collection of unusual hominoid bones and artifacts. Partial skeletons of nine individuals were unearthed, including one complete cranium. These remains have been the subject of intense research and debate as they appear to have human features, but are miniature in size.

This has caused some scientists to claim that the bones represent a species distinct from modern humans. The new species has been labeled Homo floresiensis (nicknamed Hobbit).

The hominoid is noted for its small body and brain size and for its relatively recent survival. Recovered alongside the skeletal remains were stone tools from archaeological horizons ranging from 94,000 to 13,000 years ago. Some of the tools are sophisticated stone implements. The artifacts are all of the size considered appropriate for a 1-meter-tall human population.

Archaeologist Mike Morwood and his colleagues have proposed that a variety of features, both primitive and derived, identify these bones as belonging to a new species. A study of the bones and joints of the arm, shoulder and lower limbs concluded that H. floresiensis was more similar to early humans and apes than modern humans.

Some less obvious features that might distinguish H. floresiensis from modern Homo sapiens is the form of the teeth, and the lesser angle in the head of the humerus (upper arm bone). Each of these distinguishing examples has been heavily scrutinized by certain members of the scientific community.

Aside from a smaller body size, the overall specimen seems to resemble Homo erectus. Additional features used to argue for the discovery of a new population of previously unidentified hominids include the absence of a chin, the relatively low twist of the arm bones, and the thickness of the creature’s leg bones. The feet of H. floresiensis are unusually flat in relation to the rest of the body. As a result, when walking, the creature would have to bend its knees further back than modern people do. For this reason, it was not able to move very fast.

The species toes have an unusual shape and the big toe is very short. Local geology suggests that a volcanic eruption on the Island of Flores approximately 12,000 years ago could have been responsible for the demise of H. floresiensis, along with other local fauna, including the elephant species Stegodon. In early December of 2004, paleoanthropologist Teuku Jacob removed most of the Hobbit remains from their repository. The priceless artifacts were damaged upon return. The only pelvis was smashed, ultimately destroying details that reveal body shape, gait and evolutionary history.
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TWINNICK
4th March 2011, 13:36
G'day,

Thanks for that article Witchy,I enjoyed that.

I remember when that story broke and the site is interesting too,also about that volcanic lake in Indonesia 70000 years ago...hhhmmmmmm.

..Nick..

Lost Soul
5th March 2011, 01:53
I'd like to see their bones compared to an African Pygmy, who isn't known for having towering basketball players.

Ruby L.
5th March 2011, 20:01
Thanks for your very interesting introduction to this fascinating subject, Witchy. I'd never heard of the Homo floresiensis group before. Your post brought out the archeologist in me- not in the professional sense but more that it inspired me to start digging around (on the internet).

Along my digs I came across a very interesting link between the myths and stories of the people of the Island of Flores, and the recently discovered Homo flo.

Apparently, they were also known as the 'Ebu Gogo', or "Grandmothers Who Eat Anything." They were described as being small, vicious people with a voracious appetite, and were even known to kidnap and devour a human baby. It is said that the Ebu Gogo lived amongst and around people until they couldn't be tolerated anymore and were killed off.

Here's a description of the Ebu Gogo, courtesy of Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebu_Gogo).

Ruby L.
5th March 2011, 20:29
What H. floresiensis may have looked like and some size comparisons:


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3056/2690648875_4e7aa12d81.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Owgxo0uCZXA/SvyBqi8IbrI/AAAAAAAAAPA/1w-vk5MqbSQ/s400/ebu+gogo.jpeg

http://www.sciencephoto.com/images/showEnlarged.html/E438207-Homo_floresiensis_skull-SPL.jpg?id=694380207

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/hobbitman-300x282.jpg

Ruby L.
5th March 2011, 20:38
Behind the scenes information of The Big Find of The Little People:

There'd been huge debates between archeologists and paleoarcheologists surrounding the implication of the Homo flo species and how they fit with Homo sapiens. In fact, it even took a while before they could finally agreed to classify the find in the Homo genus.

Also, during the dig, there'd been arguments between the Indonesian and Australian archeological teams about how the project should move forward; the excavation site was closed down by the Indonesian government in 2005, and the project was only resumed again in 2007.
Were they trying to hide something?

Add to the mix of excitement for the discovery of the find and the complete frustration with the politics surrounding it, the head of the Indonesian team, Teuku Jacob, also removed the artefacts/bone pieces from the official centre in Indonesia, keeping it for himself and away from the world.
Was he trying to keep some information away?

The removal of the artefacts, of course, made it impossible for the Australian team (as well as the the rest of the world's teams who were, by now, clamouring to be part of the action) to conduct further research. The bones were returned a year later but in bad condition: fractured jaw pieces and shoddy gluing techniques-- much to the furore of the other teams. From the article I'm linking below, here's a description of the level of emotions for the state of the returned pieces: "The brouhaha descended to a level of shouting and name-calling that you do not often hear in Indonesia."

By now, the two teams had become arch enemies in what was supposed to be a joint venture in an amazing discovery.

Here is the article giving some background to the story:
Bones of contention (http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/features/print/1854/bones-contention?page=0%2C0), written by Djuna Ivereigh. (Cosmos, Issue 17, October 2007)

The controversy over the status of the 'hobbit' continues. Cosmos looks on as two teams of spirited scientists try to settle things once and for all.

Ria
9th April 2011, 13:27
Hi,
I am not entirely shore but is this not the same area where there are mini elephants and mini hippos or a near by island
I have also heard that the local people have memory of these small people having stolen a baby and various attacks on them and vice verser
The Andaman Islands also have tribes of small people. All be it some distance away.
Has anyone looked at the information about the Solomon Island having Giants living in the mountains Nexus did an article, apparently a local woman uses an eight foot thigh bone to hold up her tent.
best wishes Ria

witchy1
9th April 2011, 22:52
Thanks Ria, would you have a link please
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