Very Disturbing [Jay Weidner - Sacred Mysteries video (removed)]

[Taurean]

I just happened across this Jay Weidner interview which adds a few extra dots which builds a bigger scenario to chew on. It's not good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6XCFZJmxw8

[Taurean]

Gosh this guy is really putting it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic_-sR1QB7U

[crosby]

very disturbing indeed. i hope this guy is wrong.
regards, corson

i'm not liking the idea of human bbq........

[buckminster fuller]

His site is filled with dvds and books to sale, making money out of fear is a good business. I think he knows that pretty well... I wouldn't worry too much guys.

[Calz]

His site is filled with dvds and books to sale, making money out of fear is a good business. I think he knows that pretty well... I wouldn't worry too much guys.

While I appreciate what you are saying ... much of what he puts out there is not fear-based. He is a solid researcher and good film maker. His (now) next to last film entitled Infinity is a beautiful positive piece showing there is no death (except for the body of course).

http://store.sacredmysteriesmarketplace.com/infinity-the-ultimate-trip-dvd.html

He has some good material on alchemy and gnostics. He did some great work on the Cross of Hendaye.

His work on Stanley Kubrick gives a "peak" into the world of the Illuminati which, while certainly dark, is good research and worth looking into if you want to understand that aspect of our "reality".

Thanx,

Cal

[Autumn]

The first interview kinda reminds me of Charles and the 33 ... or is that just me?

[the trojan]

there are lots of essays on kubricks work online and after watching this mans interview,i think he has gleaned much of what he is selling as revelatory from the same stuff i have been reading for a number of years....nothing new.

[Taurean]

The first interview kinda reminds me of Charles and the 33 ... or is that just me?

Nope, I got a few pin pricks too.

[Calz]

there are lots of essays on kubricks work online and after watching this mans interview,i think he has gleaned much of what he is selling as revelatory from the same stuff i have been reading for a number of years....nothing new.

Kubrick isn't what drew my interest to Weidner so I have no idea regarding the timetable for other such essays available online.

Here is a link to one of Weidner's articles on Kubrick and it dates back to 1999:

http://jayweidner.com/kubrick.htm

Since Jay just released 1st of 3 films on this topic I am sure there is some self-promotion going on (like any author or whatever). He claims on the Redice interview he is coming out with "new" information but I don't have the new dvd so I have no idea.

[3optic]

there are lots of essays on kubricks work online and after watching this mans interview,i think he has gleaned much of what he is selling as revelatory from the same stuff i have been reading for a number of years....nothing new.

Kubrick isn't what drew my interest to Weidner so I have no idea regarding the timetable for other such essays available online.

Here is a link to one of Weidner's articles on Kubrick and it dates back to 1999:

http://jayweidner.com/kubrick.htm

Since Jay just released 1st of 3 films on this topic I am sure there is some self-promotion going on (like any author or whatever). He claims on the Redice interview he is coming out with "new" information but I don't have the new dvd so I have no idea.

I'd wager much of what has been written concerning this particular thread on Kubrick was written by Weidler himself. Love his take on esoterica and film making. Unremarkable when commenting on environment/ solar flares and 2012 etc imo.

[buckminster fuller]

Stumbled on this: La violette work on cosmological events and their effects on earth corroborated by other scientific works : http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict.html

[Calz]

Stumbled on this: La violette work on cosmological events and their effects on earth corroborated by other scientific works : http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict.html

I assume you know he has a video interview here:

http://projectcamelot.org/paul_laviolette.html

[buckminster fuller]

Stumbled on this: La violette work on cosmological events and their effects on earth corroborated by other scientific works : http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict.html

I assume you know he has a video interview here:

http://projectcamelot.org/paul_laviolette.html

Must have missed this one, was about to post this link too : http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_galacticsuperwave08.htm where the camelot interview figures.

[bashi]

Here a VERY interesting series from Jay:



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[Calz]

Want to add something else here from the Redicecreations interview.

Jay says that in the (upcoming) 3rd dvd of the Kubrick series he will lay out compelling evidence (beyond doubt of proof in his words) of the paedophilia among the elite.

Let us take a moment to reflect on this ...

What sort of horror do you imagine the children have to endure ... there is *no* choice.

Yes ... 99.9% of people ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to listen to this sort of information because it horrifies them well beyond their comfort zone!!! :lalala: :lalala: :lalala:


Well ... what about the very young children that experience it ...


Very very few people have been able to make a stand on this issue (legally anyway).

The "Franklin Coverup" case from Boystown, Nebraska USA is one and another has come to court in Scotland.

David Icke has the courage to make this stand:

http://www.davidicke.com/articles/child-abuse-mainmenu-74/31148-paedophilia-and-satanism-the-fabric-of-the-web

Jay Weidner appears ready to make his stand as well.

Stop and THINK about this topic folks!!!

Nobody wants to.

What choice does a child have???

Especially if born into an illuminati family???

Who can you trust if not your mother or father???

Don't shove this issue aside like the 99.9% do.

Stand beside and support people like Icke and Weidner who are staring into the "belly of the beast" and making a stand.

Many horrors in the world no doubt ... can you imagine worse than a child in this situation.

Please ... let us listen to and help spread the word these brave souls are sharing.

Only shining the light in this utter darkness of evil will help ... so many of the "elite puppets" have been shoving any evidence under the radar for so many years.

Please???

[bearcow]

Interesting, his references to dew and mistletoe are on the the mark. They contain concentrated astral energy.

[mondaze]

i have listened to the redice creation interview and i didn't find anything more than has already been said elsewhere. Sadly there is a tacit belief that you cannot talk about the subject without besmirching yourself. i would like to see the subject approached with honesty and integrity, and with eyes wide open... but i doubt that child abuse will ever be unwrapped in an intelligent or compassionate way. We have a culture which sexualises children at a very early age, creates the sexual fantasy of the innocent child abused, think of Britney Spears, and at the same time has the sensationalist approach to pedofiles. I dont see an answer... just a very deep sadness.

[hexenomega]

hmm,
all this " i have all the answers to these secrets" type stuff, in my opinion, can be safely ignored, or listened to purely for entertainment value, i mean, most people love a good mystery, but, when its your turn, you WILL know, you need no other stimulus, all i will say is, take noones instruction to like, hate any entity unless that entity has given you good reason to do so, trust your own judgement, that alone is your truth, and if it proves to be incorrect, then you have just learned by experience, that is a beautiful thing, its why we are here.
bon chance hex

[hexenomega]

oh,
and as soon as you find yourself paying any money for it, then ,dont, unless its for expenses for venue rental, etc, dont do it, all information they have, is yours also, and the thought has made it free for all, divinity costs nothing, like pure love its free.
again hexen

[Wood]

I just happened across this Jay Weidner interview which adds a few extra dots which builds a bigger scenario to chew on. It's not good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6XCFZJmxw8

I have listened to the whole interview and I think he is quite right about what is going on. I think it is not disturbing though.
Sofia (Mother Nature) is already ready for the change. The sun will change the Earth with a huge solar flare and at that point we all will end up in the place we need to continue our spiritual evolution. No soul is lost and I am confident that the process will be quick and painless.
Some will survive in this very same place and repeat the whole experience for another cycle (birth, fight for survival, death and reincarnation). Others will progress to other "dimensions"/"densities"/planes/spheres, according to their spiritual development and desires. This is what the bible calls the "judgement day", but in my view it is a benevolent judgement according to the cosmic laws. Each soul goes to the place it belongs.
Regarding the Aryans he talks about (probably the annunaki/reptilians), they are not really evil. They are just a catalyst for our evolution in this sphere, and so they remain here. From their point of view they are the lucky survivors, they move to a safe place and come back to enslave humans again, but they are just stuck here repeating the same role cycle after cycle.
I guess they can evolve as well if they choose so, but that probably involves changing their lifestyle a bit :). Or, who knows, maybe they are not at all as portrayed.

Anyway, this is not really disturbing but part of the cosmic cycle. After the quick solar flare and the induced chaos (just seconds I think), all of you that are tired of this experience will probably wake up in a better world with new rules and new things to do.

Nothing to worry about.

Peace and love.

[dan i el]

Here a VERY interesting series from Jay:



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Amazing interview, thanks.

[OnyxKnight]

A fear popper with a lot of bullcrap to sale.

Its not enough that he is putting that out there, but he is also charging money for it.

[hexenomega]

indeed,
you cant buy your way out of here, i feel so sad that anyone on earth has been tricked into thinking they get "the inside edge" on reality, followed by a request for money, so many not understanding why they may be here, and some guy offers the get out of jail free card,,,,for twenty dollars and 99cents, my heart bleeds for these people, really it does.

[WildOrchid]

VERY DISTURBING!:mad2:

More on...
“Pizzagate”: How 4Chan Uncovered the Sick World of Washington’s Occult Elite
http://www.theeventchronicle.com/cabal-exposed/pizzagate-4chan-uncovered-sick-world-washingtons-occult-elite/
http://cdn.theeventchronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/cabal-pizza.jpg

Who or What is the Whore of Babylon — Exposing the Cabal’s Global Child Abuse Network
http://www.theeventchronicle.com/editors-pick/whore-babylon-exposing-cabals-global-child-abuse-network/
http://cdn1.theeventchronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/babylon.jpg

[TODD & NORA]

"the pizza gate" is a witch hunt, specifically targeted along political lines. Comet Ping Pong is not hosting baby eating cabals in tunnels underneath the building. this is total and complete bull**** concocted by Steve Bannon/Paul Manafort trolls. Wake the **** up people. This is increasingly a mob mentality. James Alefentis is yes, gay and parties, but he's not running a pedo ring. He's an easy mark. This discredits the alternative news community more than I have ever witnessed. It discredits the work that goes on daily to combat child trafficking.

[3(C)+me]

"the pizza gate" is a witch hunt, specifically targeted along political lines. Comet Ping Pong is not hosting baby eating cabals in tunnels underneath the building. this is total and complete bull**** concocted by Steve Bannon/Paul Manafort trolls. Wake the **** up people. This is increasingly a mob mentality. James Alefentis is yes, gay and parties, but he's not running a pedo ring. He's an easy mark. This discredits the alternative news community more than I have ever witnessed. It discredits the work that goes on daily to combat child trafficking.

Before you going on about how this all complete bullsh#t you NEED TO READ Dave McGowan's Book Programed to kill, in the books section. It's tough going because what he reports is very dark indeed and is going on as I write this.

All of this type of activity is VERY WELL DOCUMENTED. The author bases his findings on well researched materials from newspapers that are in the public domain.
It has been going on for a very long time.
This kind of stuff is what some people are not going to be able to wrap their heads around because it is very dark. So they go straight into denial.
Helps no one.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9462-Interesting-Free-Books-in-PDF&p=1078323&viewfull=1#post1078323

[TODD & NORA]

I am certainly NOT in denial. I have been assisting, researching, and writing about efforts to stop child trafficking since 2004. It's going on, no question. But making a witch hunt from doctored photos and emails, using the mass public to judge - is appalling. The context of this particular "discovery" is highly political, there are innocent people that I personally know involved and now countless death threats against people who are a seen as "collateral". Using the MOB on the INTERNET to DESTROY people WITHOUT A TRIAL is WRONG. Child trafficking MUST be stopped. This is NOT how you do it.

[DNA]

I am certainly NOT in denial. I have been assisting, researching, and writing about efforts to stop child trafficking since 2004. It's going on, no question. But making a witch hunt from doctored photos and emails, using the mass public to judge - is appalling. The context of this particular "discovery" is highly political, there are innocent people that I personally know involved and now countless death threats against people who are a seen as "collateral". Using the MOB on the INTERNET to DESTROY people WITHOUT A TRIAL is WRONG. Child trafficking MUST be stopped. This is NOT how you do it.

It depends on what you are researching.
So let me get this straight, you do not believe the wikileaks e-mails which point to John Podesta being a pedophile?
You do not believe Bill Clinton has taken 26+ trips on Jeffrey Epstiens's "Lolita Express" to partake at Epstien's pedophile island?


And what about Bill Clinton's recent visit to Haiti to defend a group of missionaries who were illegally taking children off of the island and flying them to other countries?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzVAcn1YkcY
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Have you ever watched the documentary A CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE, about the Nebraska Boys Town and the Pedophiles in Washington DC who had these kids flown out there for sex? This is a much watch if you haven't watched it. A paradigm changer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma22jxA5xZY
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I'll stop there, but there is so much more it is mind boggling.
Pedophilia in Washington DC is a very real thing.

[ThePythonicCow]

"the pizza gate" is a witch hunt, specifically targeted along political lines. Comet Ping Pong is not hosting baby eating cabals in tunnels underneath the building. this is total and complete bull**** concocted by Steve Bannon/Paul Manafort trolls. Wake the **** up people. This is increasingly a mob mentality. James Alefentis is yes, gay and parties, but he's not running a pedo ring. He's an easy mark. This discredits the alternative news community more than I have ever witnessed. It discredits the work that goes on daily to combat child trafficking.
Here's another take on the Comet Ping Pong pizzeria story - that the story is a deliberate "poisoning of the well". The story is, by this take, false so far as the Comet Ping Pong pizzeria is concerned, and is being injected into the alternative media in order to discredit such future stories as might appear that actually do expose Satanic, ritualistic, child abuse and pedophilia practices.

The actual website of the Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria: http://www.cometpingpong.com/

The analysis presenting the take that this story is a poisoning of the well: This Pizzeria Is Not a Child-Trafficking Site (The New York Times) (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/technology/fact-check-this-pizzeria-is-not-a-child-trafficking-site.html?_r=0)

I first found this NY Times article via a link from http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

As usual, there is pretty much guaranteed to be some lies and deception in each variant of this story that gets pushed ... and if you're lucky, some bits of truth might sneak through too.,

[3(C)+me]

Because of the New York times article posted above (thank you) reddit #pizzagate is going to be shut down....hum....
Where their is smoke their is fire.
Some journalist (dave where are you when we need you? RIP) will put all the documented dots together and the big picture will
get much clearer.
Patience is a virtue.

[TODD & NORA]

I AM NOT A JUDGE OR A JURY. I deeply resent people who live behind screens using unsubstantiated data to destroy lives and commerce at MOB RULE. I live in Washington DC and I know what I know by first hand experience. I have spent many years seeing law enforcement fight the darkest most degenerate criminals doing horrible things to children and I wish you could understand that we actually have a law enforcement system of amazing heroes risking their lives in increasingly dangerous circumstances. I have no idea about John Podesta - I highly doubt he has the time knowing his schedule - I do know he is vocal in his support of alien disclosure and he is passionate about Italian food, pasta and pizza, and bad art. I KNOW that many of the Wikileaks are compromised and constructed. I KNOW that Russian intelligence has used Assange as their message boy and they have agendas. The election is NOT OVER.

AS FOR THE QUESTIONS BELOW:
I'm not a private investigator. I am overwhelmed by the level of disinformation on the internet. All I know is what I know first hand, as I said. I am not a Clinton fan. I know Epstein is a pimp to the rich in both parties. As for pedophilia as a "thing" in DC....I'm sure it's happening but I have never seen it and I've lived here almost half a century. I do know it has no party affiliation and seems to transcend class, race, ethnicity and gender. I have friends who have survived assassination attempts for their work to stop it. There are many brave people out there working to rescue children. If you want to help, you can contact me. Sending spurious conspiracy videos around is not helpful and it distracts from the true crimes.

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It depends on what you are researching.
So let me get this straight, you do not believe the wikileaks e-mails which point to John Podesta being a pedophile?

You do not believe Bill Clinton has taken 26+ trips on Jeffrey Epstiens's "Lolita Express" to partake at Epstien's pedophile island?


And what about Bill Clinton's recent visit to Haiti to defend a group of missionaries who were illegally taking children off of the island and flying them to other countries?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzVAcn1YkcY
vzVAcn1YkcY


Have you ever watched the documentary A CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE, about the Nebraska Boys Town and the Pedophiles in Washington DC who had these kids flown out there for sex? This is a much watch if you haven't watched it. A paradigm changer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma22jxA5xZY
Ma22jxA5xZY


I'll stop there, but there is so much more it is mind boggling.
Pedophilia in Washington DC is a very real thing.

[3(C)+me]

I AM NOT A JUDGE OR A JURY. I deeply resent people who live behind screens using unsubstantiated data to destroy lives and commerce at MOB RULE. I live in Washington DC and I know what I know by first hand experience. I have spent many years seeing law enforcement fight the darkest most degenerate criminals doing horrible things to children and I wish you could understand that we actually have a law enforcement system of amazing heroes risking their lives in increasingly dangerous circumstances. I have no idea about John Podesta - I highly doubt he has the time knowing his schedule - I do know he is vocal in his support of alien disclosure and he is passionate about Italian food, pasta and pizza, and bad art. I KNOW that many of the Wikileaks are compromised and constructed. I KNOW that Russian intelligence has used Assange as their message boy and they have agendas. The election is NOT OVER.

AS FOR THE QUESTIONS BELOW:
I'm not a private investigator. I am overwhelmed by the level of disinformation on the internet. All I know is what I know first hand, as I said. I am not a Clinton fan. I know Epstein is a pimp to the rich in both parties. As for pedophilia as a "thing" in DC....I'm sure it's happening but I have never seen it and I've lived here almost half a century. I do know it has no party affiliation and seems to transcend class, race, ethnicity and gender. I have friends who have survived assassination attempts for their work to stop it. There are many brave people out there working to rescue children. If you want to help, you can contact me. Sending spurious conspiracy videos around is not helpful and it distracts from the true crimes.

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It depends on what you are researching.
So let me get this straight, you do not believe the wikileaks e-mails which point to John Podesta being a pedophile?

You do not believe Bill Clinton has taken 26+ trips on Jeffrey Epstiens's "Lolita Express" to partake at Epstien's pedophile island?


And what about Bill Clinton's recent visit to Haiti to defend a group of missionaries who were illegally taking children off of the island and flying them to other countries?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzVAcn1YkcY
vzVAcn1YkcY


Have you ever watched the documentary A CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE, about the Nebraska Boys Town and the Pedophiles in Washington DC who had these kids flown out there for sex? This is a much watch if you haven't watched it. A paradigm changer.




I'll stop there, but there is so much more it is mind boggling.
Pedophilia in Washington DC is a very real thing.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma22jxA5xZY
Ma22jxA5xZY


Ok I get what you are saying, some of this newsworthy stuff may be fake.
But this is the new normal as far as the internet.
People get worked up and stay online 12 hours a day hunting down the next bad guy.
That is why I am going to sit back, wait till the dust clears and see what really sticks.
That is the only sane thing to do.
I don't live on the internet, I don't do twitter or facebook, etc
It is just crazy out there.
But, at the same time, I am not going to say for sure this is or is not going on.
Just because you have not seen this in DC does not mean it is not happening.
Perhaps if you were cruising porn sites or into little girls, then maybe you would start to see it.
But I will not close my mind to what may or may not be going on.
Why is Podesta not saying the Wikileaks is a fake, "I never wrote that". I am sure someone is going to ask the question at some point.

[onawah]

The latest Corbett Report on Twittergate
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[DNA]

I AM NOT A JUDGE OR A JURY. I deeply resent people who live behind screens using unsubstantiated data to destroy lives and commerce at MOB RULE. I live in Washington DC and I know what I know by first hand experience. I have spent many years seeing law enforcement fight the darkest most degenerate criminals doing horrible things to children and I wish you could understand that we actually have a law enforcement system of amazing heroes risking their lives in increasingly dangerous circumstances. I have no idea about John Podesta - I highly doubt he has the time knowing his schedule - I do know he is vocal in his support of alien disclosure and he is passionate about Italian food, pasta and pizza, and bad art. I KNOW that many of the Wikileaks are compromised and constructed. I KNOW that Russian intelligence has used Assange as their message boy and they have agendas. The election is NOT OVER.

AS FOR THE QUESTIONS BELOW:
I'm not a private investigator. I am overwhelmed by the level of disinformation on the internet. All I know is what I know first hand, as I said. I am not a Clinton fan. I know Epstein is a pimp to the rich in both parties. As for pedophilia as a "thing" in DC....I'm sure it's happening but I have never seen it and I've lived here almost half a century. I do know it has no party affiliation and seems to transcend class, race, ethnicity and gender. I have friends who have survived assassination attempts for their work to stop it. There are many brave people out there working to rescue children. If you want to help, you can contact me. Sending spurious conspiracy videos around is not helpful and it distracts from the true crimes.




This came out right after the Nebraska Boys Town incident, and lends credence to it.
You should watch the video I embeded in my previous post before you dismiss it.


http://www.rense.com/general79/washingtontimes.gif




And I don't understand why you dismiss the John Podesta e-mails as outed by Wikileaks.


This is simply a case of the truth creeping out to show it's face, I'm sorry if you find yourself shocked by this, I intend no harm except in so far as to break false paradigms if that can be called harm.

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[3(C)+me]

Yes, you got to remember must of the folks here are aware that this kind of thing is going on but the general public are going to be in cognitive dissonance about his. They will not be able to see how dark this kind of thing goes.
That many many of their leaders and talking heads on TV are doing this.
They are going to need some time to integrate.
Or add some addictions to their daily practices.

[TODD & NORA]

Cognitive dissonance? We have 17 law enforcement agencies working together to combat this and it's out of control. Child trafficking is the fastest growing industry in the world and it's happening across class lines. We have a real problem - abuse of sexuality, a predatory pornographic industry where humans are bombarded with overt sexual images daily and sold merchandise through it to normalize it and manipulate - we have websites filled with pornography of every flavor, good, evil, stupid, sick. We have extremely confused humans who do not understand the point of sexuality, sexual energy, creative force, power, etc. And we have evil, active evil, predators, manipulating on every level. And something that has been increasing with the drug epidemic in middle america - we now have drug addicted parents selling their children for sex. I know everyone loves the idea that the problems of the world are all about the elites being sickos, but measuring evidence based on internet videos of spurious rumor is not helping.

[Hervé]

A reminder: Secrets of the CIA's Global Sex Slave Industry (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51271-Possible-reason-why-soldiers-are-overseas.&p=573698&viewfull=1#post573698)

[onawah]

So what do you think would be helpful in exposing the elitist's role in the burgeoning child trafficking industry?
There doesn't seem to have been much success in rooting it out from the ground up, but do you think it's possible that working from the top down could be more effective, and if so, how do you think that could manifest?

Cognitive dissonance? We have 17 law enforcement agencies working together to combat this and it's out of control. Child trafficking is the fastest growing industry in the world and it's happening across class lines. We have a real problem - abuse of sexuality, a predatory pornographic industry where humans are bombarded with overt sexual images daily and sold merchandise through it to normalize it and manipulate - we have websites filled with pornography of every flavor, good, evil, stupid, sick. We have extremely confused humans who do not understand the point of sexuality, sexual energy, creative force, power, etc. And we have evil, active evil, predators, manipulating on every level. And something that has been increasing with the drug epidemic in middle america - we now have drug addicted parents selling their children for sex. I know everyone loves the idea that the problems of the world are all about the elites being sickos, but measuring evidence based on internet videos of spurious rumor is not helping.

[TODD & NORA]

The networks are run by ruthless gangster mobs and the demand continues to grow. The law enforcement teams working on this are risking their lives every day. I have a friend who is a slave retriever, goes into bordellos and rescues the children, and he has survived over 6 assassination attempts. Not everyone is so lucky. The trafficking spiraled out of control after 911 due largely to the internet. Efforts with protocol of witnessing trafficking in action on buses, trains, planes, has saved thousands of children. There are a lot of organizations out there that are doing actual WORK to face this and deal with it. Innocents at Risk is an awareness organization that has actually done a lot to get different agencies to work collaboratively and more effectively.

btw - it's extremely hard these days to discern real news from fake news. The pizza gate was an alarm bell as it is in my literal backyard and directly in my life and really smart people were convinced of certain "facts" that I know for FACT are FALSE. The war we are in right now is perception, information, and psychological. This article should be mandatory reading for all well intentioned internet users of "news":

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social

[noprophet]

Pretty decent recap of the info floating around:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUGj5IhepMg

[onawah]

If you are really that concerned, please provide some proof about the "facts that you know are false".
Decent people want the lid blown off the whole phenomena from the ground floor up, and if the press has been complicit and law enforcement teams haven't been able to expose the elite perverts, I think it's a very good sign that the public are attempting to take up where Wikileaks left off.
I think people are wise enough to know that exposing the elite will be effective from the top down, since those in power will be likely to turn a blind eye to those operations at the lowest levels, inasmuch as that is the source of their victims in many instances, apparently.
If enough people become convinced this is real and begin acting in whatever way they can, even if they are not expert or professional in their attempts, sooner or later, it should have a worthwhile effect.
It's crtainly encouraging that you are supportive of groups who are working to rescue children caught in the web, but it seems a little strange that you are not more supportive of the public's attempts to get involved and help, so I think you should be prepared to be called out for some proof of your allegations that pizzagate and twittergate are based on lies.
The evidence so far may not be conclusive, but it looks pretty convincing to me.

The networks are run by ruthless gangster mobs and the demand continues to grow. The law enforcement teams working on this are risking their lives every day. I have a friend who is a slave retriever, goes into bordellos and rescues the children, and he has survived over 6 assassination attempts. Not everyone is so lucky. The trafficking spiraled out of control after 911 due largely to the internet. Efforts with protocol of witnessing trafficking in action on buses, trains, planes, has saved thousands of children. There are a lot of organizations out there that are doing actual WORK to face this and deal with it. Innocents at Risk is an awareness organization that has actually done a lot to get different agencies to work collaboratively and more effectively.

btw - it's extremely hard these days to discern real news from fake news. The pizza gate was an alarm bell as it is in my literal backyard and directly in my life and really smart people were convinced of certain "facts" that I know for FACT are FALSE. The war we are in right now is perception, information, and psychological. This article should be mandatory reading for all well intentioned internet users of "news":

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social

[TODD & NORA]

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[TODD & NORA]

Onawah, "supportive of the public's attempts to get involved and help"....do you get involved in police investigations? does it help to promote conspiracies based on doctored emails and photos that have no relationships? Remember when witches were burned at the stake? That was the "public" doing its job to stop the bad women. This is the same. I have never publicly had to defend anyone against false accusations but in this situation I have been gobsmacked.

Now you want to call me out? Are you a detective? You want the public to do something? You realize that the Police AND the FBI have investigated and found that this is a manipulated political hate crime directed at James. This is about pizza, not babies. That video clip somebody posted of a young woman "putting it all together" ...if that's your proof, my god, have mercy on your soul. Reality check: people do talk about "doing pizza" because it is a meeting point for many of us to yes, "eat pizza and hang out". James is an incredible chef. He has 2 restaurants next to each other and there is a great book store. the whole block is a place where people come together and the language has nothing to do with babies being eaten.

As for taking off where Wikileaks left off - Wiki has been a direct messaging source for Russian intelligence. Their mission was to destroy Hilary by any means necessary. That s not over and no, I am not her fan at all. Their mission of confusing and disseminating information of this kind is not over, clearly. and btw the Russian mob is at the top of human trafficking gangs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html

[Ewan]

...really smart people were convinced of certain "facts" that I know for FACT are FALSE...

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social

Actually I was rather hoping you would elaborate on this statement also. I don't think that can be termed calling you out?

As to the article, yes, that is disturbing.

[Flash]

I do know for a fact that human trafficking exist, and trafficking of underage young teenagers as sex slaves exists as well. I do know that the revenue generated from people traficking is more than that from drug trafficking. Therefore, there has to be a whole lot of trafficking and a whole lot of people involved at all levels.


Two groups of teenage sex slaves was discovered in my neighborhood, in fact, a few neighbours with keen eyes - mostly mothers - told the police what they were seeing, one group was caught where the young girls could go out, the other group where teenagers were slaves locked in an apartment moved out a day prior to the police intervention and were never caught, neither the pimps, neither the kids - it is utterly frustrating - it does exist and it is basically next door to all of us, wherever we live in Europe and America.


Believe me, they are prudent and one have to have a keen eye to observe anything wrong, since the kid are jailed in apartments - I had seen nothing for the worst group, and when told what to look for, then I realised it was true and that even my daughter had been watched when coming and going in my house, as a potential prey. A chill went through my spine and the whole neighborhood started to help the police.

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I am also pretty sure that as with drug trafficking, there is quite a lot of high level rich people running human trafficking and some politicians are involved, no doubts. Where there is money there is humanrie (greed and exploitation)


I am aware of the russian mafia being instrumental in human trafficking as well as Chinese mafia.


And yes, I believe that Russia and China are well trained to meddle in our politics and make trouble (mostly with Hillary who wanted war), as USA and other agents are for doing the reciprocal in China and Russia. And therefore, they could have been helping Hillary's demise with all necessary means, including damaging her friends (which she would also have done to others anytime if she needed it, those levels are snake pits).


However, If Todd and Nora tell us this pizza place is not doing kids trafficking, I have a tendency to believe our long standing members, they are the daily witnesses in their own environment. As long as they are keen observers and keep their eyes opened, I will believe them.


But I also know how subtle the signs of human trafficking are, most people, like me, would not notice anything.



Onawah, "supportive of the public's attempts to get involved and help"....do you get involved in police investigations? does it help to promote conspiracies based on doctored emails and photos that have no relationships? Remember when witches were burned at the stake? That was the "public" doing its job to stop the bad women. This is the same. I have never publicly had to defend anyone against false accusations but in this situation I have been gobsmacked.

Now you want to call me out? Are you a detective? You want the public to do something? You realize that the Police AND the FBI have investigated and found that this is a manipulated political hate crime directed at James. This is about pizza, not babies. That video clip somebody posted of a young woman "putting it all together" ...if that's your proof, my god, have mercy on your soul. Reality check: people do talk about "doing pizza" because it is a meeting point for many of us to yes, "eat pizza and hang out". James is an incredible chef. He has 2 restaurants next to each other and there is a great book store. the whole block is a place where people come together and the language has nothing to do with babies being eaten.

As for taking off where Wikileaks left off - Wiki has been a direct messaging source for Russian intelligence. Their mission was to destroy Hilary by any means necessary. That s not over and no, I am not her fan at all. Their mission of confusing and disseminating information of this kind is not over, clearly. and btw the Russian mob is at the top of human trafficking gangs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html

[onawah]

No, I'm not calling you out, just asking you to elaborate with some proof, if you have any. I have no desire whatsoever to get into an emotional debate with you or anyone else, I just asked some reasonable questions of someone who claims to have insider information, which hopefully you will share.
But I don't really consider the Washington Post to be a credible source of information, much less insider information.

Onawah, "supportive of the public's attempts to get involved and help"....do you get involved in police investigations? does it help to promote conspiracies based on doctored emails and photos that have no relationships? Remember when witches were burned at the stake? That was the "public" doing its job to stop the bad women. This is the same. I have never publicly had to defend anyone against false accusations but in this situation I have been gobsmacked.

Now you want to call me out? Are you a detective? You want the public to do something? You realize that the Police AND the FBI have investigated and found that this is a manipulated political hate crime directed at James. This is about pizza, not babies. That video clip somebody posted of a young woman "putting it all together" ...if that's your proof, my god, have mercy on your soul. Reality check: people do talk about "doing pizza" because it is a meeting point for many of us to yes, "eat pizza and hang out". James is an incredible chef. He has 2 restaurants next to each other and there is a great book store. the whole block is a place where people come together and the language has nothing to do with babies being eaten.

As for taking off where Wikileaks left off - Wiki has been a direct messaging source for Russian intelligence. Their mission was to destroy Hilary by any means necessary. That s not over and no, I am not her fan at all. Their mission of confusing and disseminating information of this kind is not over, clearly. and btw the Russian mob is at the top of human trafficking gangs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html

[ThePythonicCow]

Todd & Nora - some of your recent posts are coming across to me as being defensive, by means of somewhat over the top counter attacks.

My take is that there is indeed a "there there" ... something substantial and seriously wrong here. I make no claim to having specific, vetted facts or sworn testimony that would be sufficient to prove anything. But the patterns run too deep, for far too long, in the history of the powerful on this planet. I trust the reports of others, such as Flash above, indicating that there is indeed a "there there" ... and it's dark and evil there.

[Ewan]

I'm going to cross post this here (from #Twittergate thread).


I'm only 25% into The Franklin Scandal, it covers all the above and much more. What is clear is there were elements of many law enforcement bodies, incl. the FBI, with full knowedge of child abuse. Furthemore they went out of their way to protect the continued existence of the practices and facillitate transportation (across state lines) of minors to 'parties' where politicians were often to be seen.

There was a 'care' home in the equation and certain adoptive parents were serial abusers who were given protection from the very authorities that were supposed to be caring for children.

The majority of people in the case were horrified and tried to do what they could, but due to the actions of a few in powerful positions they all found themselves pushed away, ignored, told to back off etc.

It seems it is not periodically happening, it is always happening and only periodically surfacing.

With the e-mail scandal, Wikileaks, FBI declarations of nothing to see here, the rapid closing of all discussion threads on social media and the most recent - The Washington Post's speed of denial in a 'fake news' announcement there should be a massive investigation underway, not silence! The Washington Post thing is almost laughable because they are journalists who are supposed to investigate and report news. Not deny its existence before even looking at the relative merits of claims - and people still don't see the game right in front of them. I saw people yesterday literally quoting the WP's stance and that was that, case closed.

edit to add: Just want to mention there were also cops who were trying to do the right thing, even to the length of carrying out an investigation without the knowledge of their boss and not handing reports to the office stenographer for typing.

As far as I understand it #twittergate sprang directly from people investigating #pizzagate so there has to be 'something' there. Unless #twittergate is #fakenews.

God I hate #hashtags. :bigsmile:

If there is such a large volume of teenagers being trafficed where are they all going to? As the book I mentioned in the quote above indicates, or hints at, there is always money/power involved in these things. Silence bought with fear (and bribery).

A frequently used, and condoned, practice of the alphabet agencies here and abroad but it doesn't happen in Washington DC? None of the trafficed minors end up in Washington's sordid embrace?

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Incidentally, I still think Wikileaks is free of Russian influence despite your stated opinion. But, if you are right then is it not just part of the great game. Bringing down one cabal to replace it with a fresh new coat of paint?

[Bob]

referencing one item in post #31 above - a comment about friends being put in harms way for going after the "system" of slavery and traffic'ing..

although Aaron is not a close personal friend, I did meet him once in DC, and his vibe is genuine.

a couple quotes from http://osocio.org/message/aaron-cohen/ an interview they did with Aaron Cohen. "Aaron Cohen: As Darkness Disappears – Fighting slavery today"


Q: Since then you landed on a death list put out by an extremist publication linked to Al Qaeda ending your 12-year career in the music industry.
Do you get many death threats? How do you deal with these?

A: In the days prior to 911 lot’s of human rights activists were put on death lists if they spoke out about slavery in Sudan. It was something that awed me to learn more about Al Qaeda and their motives. It did change my life after 911, as the culture of fear crept even into the concert world I was working in, and the articles written about it in New York added to the hysteria.

Clearly it changed my life and I learned to live off the grid so to speak. To be less accessible.

I do get people upset and threatening me quite a bit even now.

That’s what happens when you hurt someone’s financial enterprise, but I learned early to stop playing who are the good guys and who are the bad guys, and instead to see the light in each set of eyes….to try and see all people as having that divine spark in them.

If we could string the light together in people both good and not so good, then maybe the darkness just might disappear. This is how we deal with the issue, by realizing we’re growing through these experiences, by meditating on our enemies and trying our best to love them. Just as the darkness disappears when we turn the light on, so the fear goes away when we’re living our love for everyone.

Q: Let’s make one thing clear: human trafficking is not a Muslim inclination. You have met a lot more of it with other groups. It is an economic consequence, right?

A: Well, of course economics is a major component of the problem, but I see it also related to greed and lust for power.

I’ve been involved with trafficking victims from affluent families, and I’ve seen poor people looking for work get sucked into the machine of slavery.

From the victim side, poverty is certainly an issue, but from the side of the traffickers themselves and from the demand side, lust and greed play into the equation.

Q: Could you tell our readers how the situation in the world is – where is human trafficking most rampant? Who is behind it? Can you give us numbers?

Human trafficking is the fastest growing illegal business in the world, it’s already passed arms sales and its in position to pass drug sales when you factor in prostitution and pornography.

Basically, human trafficking is everywhere you go, whether in the United States, England, India, Cambodia, or Brazil…slavery is everywhere.

The UN has recently released some new statistics that seem to indicate that at any one given time, millions of people are being trafficked. Statisticians and scholars tend to side with the the lowest numbers citing the available data, but the real data just isn’t there.

Most say there’s somewhere close to 27 million slaves world wide, but really, we don’t know the numbers.

What we do know is that globalization and the Internet are breeding a new generation of pedophiles and sex addicts.

We know that there are not enough women willing to enter the industry on their own to satisfy the demand for illicit sex for sale.

Our society is becoming more sex centered, and pornography is bigger than all media combined at an estimated 100 billion dollars a year. Prostitution is also a multi hundred billion dollar business, so if you do the real math, it’s easy to see that the human trafficking statistics we’re relying on now are just the tip of a massive ice berg that’s growing bigger by the minute.

Through globalization, the Internet, social media, and technology, the ease with which traffickers are subjugating human beings into slavery is increasing exponentially.

The discussion should not just be about who is behind it, but also how can we as a society work to be aware of our own place in the subjugation of others.

Are we using anti slavery aps from Not For Sale or Slave Free?

Are we checking bar codes on the things we buy to see if they were manufactured with slave labor? We all need to pay attention to this because there are these companion industries in manufacturing, in pornography, in prostitution, modeling, and tourism that are feeding the problem, and the traffickers are out there more and more, luring human beings into slavery.

Maybe take a look at http://osocio.org/message/aaron-cohen/ for some more of the story

http://osocio.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/aaron_and_baby_Sudan03_thumb.jpg

[ThePythonicCow]

You realize that the Police AND the FBI have investigated and found that this is a manipulated political hate crime directed at James.
That may be ... though I admit to not entirely trusting such reported investigations ... however at least one well placed former FBI official has reportedly stated that there is a major problem with pedophilia in America.

From FBI: 'Epidemic' levels of pedophilia, child sex trafficking (Washington Examiner) (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fbi-epidemic-levels-of-pedophilia-child-sex-trafficking/article/2569241):

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By Barbara Boland • 7/30/15 10:33 AM

Pedophilia in the U.S. is "unprecedented" and has reached an almost "epidemic level," according to assistant director of the FBI's Criminal Investigative Division Joseph Campbell.

Although the FBI rescued 600 children last year, the FBI believes that tens of thousands of children are still being sexually exploited. Hundreds of children are sold every night for sex, the BBC reported in an investigative piece on child sex trafficking in the U.S.

"The level of pedophilia is just unprecedented right now," Campbell said. "We have so many cases constantly of individuals in all walks of life, from the very wealthy … to all other levels engaged in child pornography, child exploitation … it just seems to be almost an at epidemic level."

The vast majority of the children trafficked in the U.S. are not Mexican or Central American, but are American.

Women from the East Coast to the Midwest tell "frighteningly similar and horrific stories," reported the BBC. "Neglected, abused, exploited and often ignored starting from a young age — sometimes even prosecuted by the very people who should have protected them."

Girls are manipulated and taken advantage of before being trafficked, according to Jenny Gaines, who works at Breaking Free, a Minnesota-based advocacy group that helps former sex workers.

Half the women at Breaking Free's support group were under 18 when they were first sold for sex, and many were not much older than 18, reported the BBC.

One woman said "when [her abuser] actually found out how old I was [14] it didn't stop him ... he wanted me even more."

One woman the BBC spoke to was five months pregnant and still on the streets. She said she "was groomed from age 12 by a neighbor, who enticed her with a garage full of toys and games. He offered her money for topless photos," reports the BBC.

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[ThePythonicCow]

That may be ... though I admit to not entirely trusting such reported investigations ... however at least one well placed former FBI official has reportedly stated that there is a major problem with pedophilia in America.

From FBI: 'Epidemic' levels of pedophilia, child sex trafficking (Washington Examiner) (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fbi-epidemic-levels-of-pedophilia-child-sex-trafficking/article/2569241):
Here's an earlier source for these reported quotes by Joseph Campbell of the FBI, who reportedly told this to the BBC in July of 2015: FBI: Child Abuse ‘Almost at an Epidemic Level’ in U.S. (Time.com) (http://time.com/3978236/american-children-sold-sex/)

Cidersomerset posted this on Avalon at the time: How Jimmy was able to Fix it !!! -- Post #1525 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50809-How-Jimmy-was-able-to-Fix-it----&p=984600&viewfull=1#post984600).

[noprophet]

This is ridiculous. I am embarrassed for Project Avalon for pushing this ****. Modern day witch hunt.

I'm not hunting anything, I'm compiling information. I'm happy to include yours in the pile when you provide something more than emotional statements and, seemingly implied, inside knowledge.

I'm not interested in conclusions, I'm interested in patterns.

[awakeningmom]

The networks are run by ruthless gangster mobs and the demand continues to grow. The law enforcement teams working on this are risking their lives every day. I have a friend who is a slave retriever, goes into bordellos and rescues the children, and he has survived over 6 assassination attempts. Not everyone is so lucky. The trafficking spiraled out of control after 911 due largely to the internet. Efforts with protocol of witnessing trafficking in action on buses, trains, planes, has saved thousands of children. There are a lot of organizations out there that are doing actual WORK to face this and deal with it. Innocents at Risk is an awareness organization that has actually done a lot to get different agencies to work collaboratively and more effectively.

btw - it's extremely hard these days to discern real news from fake news. The pizza gate was an alarm bell as it is in my literal backyard and directly in my life and really smart people were convinced of certain "facts" that I know for FACT are FALSE. The war we are in right now is perception, information, and psychological. This article should be mandatory reading for all well intentioned internet users of "news":

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social

It has been a long time since I posted here, but this entire Pizza Gate thing is extremely disturbing, and made even more so by the mainstream media's current onslaught (especially the NYT) of "fake news" exposes, trying to convince everyone that any news that does not originate with them is "fake." It reminds me of what happened with the police during the Boston Marathon Bombing, when they were telling everyone to "look at these guys, not those guys...." when the users on alternative sites like 4Chan and Reddit were finding all kinds of inconsistencies in the mainstream version of the story. Attempted mind control at its best? So what makes this NPR story about alleged "fake" news creators any different? Isn't it possible that NPR made up this whole story about this guy who creates fake news in order to reassure those people who still rely on NPR for their news (truth) that something like this could never happen -- and who would really like to dismiss the whole thing because it's too disturbing anyway?

Ask yourself Todd & Nora, does NPR and its benefactors benefit from people dismissing this absolutely horrid story that ties pedophilia a little too close for comfort to high level political players? Any alarm bells going off at all when every major newspaper seems to be focusing a little too obviously on weeding out "fake news" just as this stuff is erupting? Surprising that you could be a member of PA and not have any doubts about MSM's take on things....

BTW, another red flag in this NPR story: the assertion that the only ones falling for the "fake news" are those dumb "Trump Supporters" because liberals just don't fall for it..... Wow. Really? A little pandering to the NPR audience: "Oh yes, those dumb Trump Supporters fall for everything. Good thing I'm a smart, educated NPR listener. Good thing I rely on Snopes." (and BTW, I have always considered myself a liberal. I am also neither a Trump nor Clinton supporter -- they are the same in my book).

Anyway, would like to know what parts of the Comet Ping-Pong/Podesta story you think are "fake" since you seem to know some of the alleged players. Other than simply asserting that it's all politically motivated and perpetuated by completely false/doctored images, I haven't heard much in the way of real information that would tend to exonerate those implicated. Which parts are doctored? Are none of the images real? Are the Wikileaks emails not real? Are the hackers all liars or idiots? Personally, I read the Wikileaks pizza-related posts by Podesta and they are extremely strange -- they certainly seem like "code" to me. And unless all of the images that are going around about Comet Ping-Pong and its owner are fake, at the very least, this guy has some twisted taste in "art" as you say.

I think James Corbett has the proper approach to this: gather evidence and see what emerges -- or doesn't. But in my opinion, shutting down subreddits and calling it a witchhunt or claiming that it is all politically motivated definitely raises red flags in a community like this where trust in the MSM and the PTB is generally, and deservedly, very low.

[Ewan]

The networks are run by ruthless gangster mobs and the demand continues to grow. The law enforcement teams working on this are risking their lives every day. I have a friend who is a slave retriever, goes into bordellos and rescues the children, and he has survived over 6 assassination attempts. Not everyone is so lucky. The trafficking spiraled out of control after 911 due largely to the internet. Efforts with protocol of witnessing trafficking in action on buses, trains, planes, has saved thousands of children. There are a lot of organizations out there that are doing actual WORK to face this and deal with it. Innocents at Risk is an awareness organization that has actually done a lot to get different agencies to work collaboratively and more effectively.

btw - it's extremely hard these days to discern real news from fake news. The pizza gate was an alarm bell as it is in my literal backyard and directly in my life and really smart people were convinced of certain "facts" that I know for FACT are FALSE. The war we are in right now is perception, information, and psychological. This article should be mandatory reading for all well intentioned internet users of "news":

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social

It has been a long time since I posted here, but this entire Pizza Gate thing is extremely disturbing, and made even more so by the mainstream media's current onslaught (especially the NYT) of "fake news" exposes, trying to convince everyone that any news that does not originate with them is "fake." It reminds me of what happened with the police during the Boston Marathon Bombing, when they were telling everyone to "look at these guys, not those guys...." when the users on alternative sites like 4Chan and Reddit were finding all kinds of inconsistencies in the mainstream version of the story. Attempted mind control at its best? So what makes this NPR story about alleged "fake" news creators any different? Isn't it possible that NPR made up this whole story about this guy who creates fake news in order to reassure those people who still rely on NPR for their news (truth) that something like this could never happen -- and who would really like to dismiss the whole thing because it's too disturbing anyway?

Ask yourself Todd & Nora, does NPR and its benefactors benefit from people dismissing this absolutely horrid story that ties pedophilia a little too close for comfort to high level political players? Any alarm bells going off at all when every major newspaper seems to be focusing a little too obviously on weeding out "fake news" just as this stuff is erupting? Surprising that you could be a member of PA and not have any doubts about MSM's take on things....

BTW, another red flag in this NPR story: the assertion that the only ones falling for the "fake news" are those dumb "Trump Supporters" because liberals just don't fall for it..... Wow. Really? A little pandering to the NPR audience: "Oh yes, those dumb Trump Supporters fall for everything. Good thing I'm a smart, educated NPR listener. Good thing I rely on Snopes." (and BTW, I have always considered myself a liberal. I am also neither a Trump nor Clinton supporter -- they are the same in my book).

Anyway, would like to know what parts of the Comet Ping-Pong/Podesta story you think are "fake" since you seem to know some of the alleged players. Other than simply asserting that it's all politically motivated and perpetuated by completely false/doctored images, I haven't heard much in the way of real information that would tend to exonerate those implicated. Which parts are doctored? Are none of the images real? Are the Wikileaks emails not real? Are the hackers all liars or idiots? Personally, I read the Wikileaks pizza-related posts by Podesta and they are extremely strange -- they certainly seem like "code" to me. And unless all of the images that are going around about Comet Ping-Pong and its owner are fake, at the very least, this guy has some twisted taste in "art" as you say.

I think James Corbett has the proper approach to this: gather evidence and see what emerges -- or doesn't. But in my opinion, shutting down subreddits and calling it a witchhunt or claiming that it is all politically motivated definitely raises red flags in a community like this where trust in the MSM and the PTB is generally, and deservedly, very low.

Yes! Thank you. I knew there was something off about that article but I just wasn't paying enough attention. :)

[Ewan]

Child Slave Rings?

http://pastebin.com/dAWBm9pL

The formatting is a mess, sorry.


Two high profile pedophilia cases have come to light in recent years, the abuses of Jerry Sandusky at Penn State and those of famed British entertainer Jimmy Savile. While both cases certainly garnered their fair share of media attention, their time in the spotlight has ended and we are led to believe that their horrific abuses were the result of a lone pedophile preying on children, while esteemed institutions turned a blind eye to their discretions.

Occasionally, however, the media would pick up on a story such as “Jimmy Savile was part of satanic ring” 1, EXPRESS UK, or “Jerry Sandusky was part of pedophile ring, victim claims” 2, GLOBAL POST. These stories seem absurd at first glance. Yet if they are investigated further, we are lead down a horrific and disturbing rabbit hole of pedophiles populating positions of power in government, finance, and entertainment.

This post will lay out the evidence for an international pedophile ring of massive proportions. The information contained within is of tremendous importance, for we are sitting on our very own modern holocaust, a holocaust of children. I promise that this statement is by no means an exaggeration, and urge you to not be scared away by these walls of text, which are as concise as possible while still conveying the necessary information. Throughout, I will be completely transparent with my sources, and will not beat you over the head with conclusions, but rather present you with evidence and let you decide for yourselves.

THE DUTROUX AFFAIR

I will begin in Belgium, with a case known as the Dutroux affair. This case is important because it illustrates how investigations can be undermined by a cabal able to place its members in crucial positions of power, and how powerful people can be implicated in abusing children. The Dutroux affair is was covered extensively by the mainstream media, 3, NY TIMES, I use the MSM as most of my sources and was HUGE 4, NY TIMES news in Belgium, where 350,000 people took the streets to protest the handling of the case, known as the famous White March, from a nation of just 10 million.

The case begins in 1995, when multiple young girls began disappearing around the area of Bertrix. Young girls had been disappearing in this area for a couple of years but the BOB (equivalent of the FBI) was unable to develop any solid leads. A breakthrough was made when a suspicious white van was reported, and the police were able to trace it to Marc Dutroux, a known pedophile. Dutroux had been released from prison just a few years earlier, after serving a third of his sentence, despite reservations among those involved in the hearing and his own mother, who had warned the parole board that he would certainly cause harm again 5, BBC. It was also revealed that Dutroux, though unemployed and receiving welfare from the state, owned seven homes and lived quite lavishly 6, NBC, from his involvement in selling children and child porn. It turns out that his mother was right, and Dutroux was responsible for the recent abductions. Girls as young as 8 reportedly starved to death in a makeshift dungeon in his basement, after months of sexual abuse 7, GUARDIAN UK.

The horrible transgressions committed by Dutroux are widely available knowledge and thoroughly documented, and though disturbing, are not important enough to focus on this case. Now, I will attempt to highlight the incompetence of the investigating police, and the subsequent cover-up of evidence by the state. Police had investigated Dutroux multiple times without any arrests. Once, they entered his home and witnessed the outside of a makeshift dungeon in his basement, while two girls were being held and starved inside. They even reported hearing voices, though they said they believed Dutroux's story that the voices were coming from the street outside 8, FOX NEWS. Police ignored a tip from an informant, who said that Dutroux offered him between 3,000 and 5,000 dollars to kidnap young girls 9, CRIME LIBRARY. Again and again, police failed to act on information, or acted with complete incompetence. Incredibly, Police had in their possession a video tape of Dutroux constructing the makeshift dungeon in one of his basements, and would have saved the lives of two girls who were being tortured while the police held on to the evidence, had they viewed the video tape and acted on it 10, GUARDIAN UK.

By September 1996, the official body count had reached 8, and public outrage over police incompetence mounted 11, GUARDIAN UK. Why had a known pedophile been released so early from his original prison term, and allowed to terrify a country while the police stumbled about, seemingly complicit in the carnage?
When the case transferred from the police to the courts, the coverup became much more egregious. The lead prosecutor, Jean-Marc Conorrette, was dismissed from the case, which drew huge criticism from across the nation 12, NY TIMES. Conorette became a hero because it was his initiative that led to the police actually finding two girls in Dutroux's captivity. He also was instrumental in finding the bodies of four more girls. Conorette would later break down in tears in court while describing the death threats he received when he was still involved with the investigation 13, TELGRAPH UK.

Fuel to the fire would be added when a highly regarded childrens activist, Marie France Botte, claimed that prosecutors were sitting on a politically sensitive list of high profile customers of Dutrouxs thousands of video tapes 14, LA TIMES.

Marc Verwilghen, the Flemish parliamentarian who became the most popular politician in the country after leading the inquiry into Dutroux, claimed that many in the Belgian establishment, including heads of government, refused to cooperate, and sought to stifle and ridicule his report. He claimed that magistrates and police were officially told to not answer certain questions, in what he described as a 'characteristic smothering operation'. He was further quoted as saying 'For me, the Dutroux affair is a question of organized crime'. 15, GUARDIAN UK.

A parliamentary panel revealed the names of 30 government officials it said were complicit in the hiding of Dutrouxs misdeeds, none have been punished 16.

The most important information on the case comes from a victim of Dutroux. Regina Louf was the first to come forward, and was candid about the abuse she received at the hands of Belgiums child abuse networks. In 1996, she named and described in great detail, to a specially assembled police team, the people and places involved in the paedophile ring. Senior judges, one of the country's most powerful politicians - now dead - and a very influential banker were included.

17, BBC. The BBC article [17] says, “The sessions not only involved sex, they included sadism, torture and murder; and again, she described in detail, the place, the victims and how they were killed.” She corroborated that one of Dutrouxs associates, Jean-Michel Nihoul, was instrumental in the abuse parties. "At these parties Nihoul was a sort of party beast while Dutroux was more on the side." Nihoul had significant connections among Belgian political and financial elite. He confessed to organizing an orgy at a Belgian chateau attended by government officials 18, TELEGRAPH UK.

It emerged that Dutroux and Nihoul were part of a long distance child trafficking ring that imported children from Slovakia 19, BBC.

Lets get back to the questioning of the witnesses. The primary witnesses to step forward all suffered from Dissociative Identity Disorder. In 98% of DID cases, the person suffered extreme sexual abuse as a child 20, MERCK WEBSITE.

The abuse that the Dutroux witnesses attested to is beyond comprehension. Louf, and other witnesses, recounted being raped by dogs and snakes, and being forced to witness the murders of other children which were captured on video tape 21, REGINA LOUFS BOOK.

That Louf spoke the truth about witnessing these murders is laid out HERE in an excellent manner. She gave a tremendous amount of detail to her prosecutors that she simply could not have known without being there herself, and there is simply way too much evidence to lay it out here. I recommend reading the whole page, which is as long as a short book, as the research is simply phenomenal. She also reported being involved with Satanic rituals, which I will address in greater detail later in the post.

Despite evidence that linked Dutroux and Nihoul to abuse parties and murder snuff films, the prosecutor that replaced Conorette, Jacques Langlois, completely dismantled the investigation. He sent police out on false tips and helped spread disinformation in the media. Although nearly 100 high profile people in government, religion, entertainment and finance being accused of involvement in child abuse
22, ISGP, no one of significance other than Dutroux was ever jailed. 9 police officers would eventually be arrested in connection with the murders

23, LA TIMES contains dozens of suspicious deaths among those who were helping the case. I have only presented a small picture of what amounts to a mountain of documentation on Dutroux. For further reading, look HERE, ISGP and HERE, CRIME LIBRARY.

I understand that my discussion on the Dutroux affair does not validate any of the claims in the title of this post. It is only one small piece of the puzzle. It shows how, from the bottom level of police work to the top level of prosecution politics, people complicit with pedophiles can be placed into key positions to ensure that investigations never bear fruit. Now I will briefly highlight pedophile rings that operated parallel to Dutrouxs during the same time period, again in which no high level officials were brought to justice, although they undeniable participated, to illustrate how widespread the child porn and child abuse epidemic is. I will then move on to more important cases. In Latvia, three top officials, including the Prime Minister, were named in connection with a pedophile ring in which 2000 children in the country were abused 24, LA TIMES.

An online ring known as Wonderland was busted and yielded 750,000 images of children 25 BBC. From the article [25]: “Wonderland originated in the United States but also operated in Australia, Austria, Belgium, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Norway, Portugal, Sweden and Britain.” None of the men charged in relation to the ring served more than 30 months in jail, and only two were put on the sex offenders registry (in the year 2000!!!)
26, GUARDIAN UK. A child porn ring in Mexico was busted and said to have thousands of clients in the United States
27, BBC. Child porn videos reportedly made a Russian ring 410 million dollars being sold in Germany, Italy, and the United States
28, GUARDIAN UK. A Dutch ring was discovered in which images and videos of abuse of infants were circulated
29, NY TIMES. A magistrate leading an investigation into an Italian pedophile ring denounced what he called a “paedophile lobby” of powerful politicians which he said openly obstructed his investigation
30, INDEPENDANT UK. French police arrested 250 people associated with child pornography within a year of the Dutroux affair [31, NY TIMES](http://www.nytimes.com/1997/03/14/world/french-police-arrest-250-men-linked-to-child-pornography-ring.html


THE LINCOLN, NEBRASKA SCANDAL

From here on out the post gets more surreal. These child abuse and pedophile rings are not by any means limited to Europe. Rather, the United States has perhaps the biggest child trafficking epidemic in the world. It is important to note, before I begin the next segment of this post, that the FBI does not track statistics for missing children. Of all the statistics it keeps tabs on, rape, homicide, domestic abuse, what amounts to perhaps the single most important one in terms of citizen safety is ominously missing. Perhaps they simply do not want us to know how bad the epidemic is? It should also be noted that FBI prosecution of major child trafficking rings had been virtually non-existant.

Take a good look at THIS, WASHINGTON TIMES frontpage story, published on June 29, 1989. The first chapter reads: “A homosexual prostitution ring is under investigation by federal and District authorities and includes among its clients key officials of the Reagan and Bush administrations, military officers, congressional aides, and U.S. and foreign businessmen with close social ties to Washingtons political elite, documents obtained by The Washington Times revealed.” The story never fully hit the streets, as agents grabbed the copies from newstands in the early hours of the morning. Another good article for background before I move on to American organized pedophilia and satanism is THIS, CHICAGO TRIBUNE. The first paragraph reads: “All nine children tell the same story, a grisly tale of being taken out of school and abused in a blue house. They name the same culprit, a school administrator who, they say, performs satanic rituals as part of his twisted routine. In the 14 months since the first child came forward, police said they have conducted 150 interviews and cannot substantiate the claims of the children, who range in age from 5 to 9. Prosecutor Stanley Levco is more blunt: He doesn`t believe them, and he plans to publicly clear the accused.”

I will now talk about America's own Dutroux affair, which began in Lincoln, Nebraska, in the late 1980s. A good part of the story, minus the satanism aspect, is covered in a documentary called The Conspiracy of Silence. The documentary was set to air on the Discovery Channel in 1994 but at the last minute, it was pulled and destroyed. We only have access to it now because of a “cutting room copy” leak a year later. The story begins with Omaha businessman Lawrence King, who was a rising star in the Republican party at the time. In 1988, it was revealed that he had diverted millions of dollars from the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union, the investigation of which spawned an investigation into a pedophilia ring of mind blowing proportions 32, OMAHA WORLD HERALD. Soon enough, investigators into the embezzlement scandal began receiving reports of sexual abuse 33, NY TIMES. Omaha newspapers were running stories of how young boys from Boystown were being prostituted among local business leaders and sometimes traveled to Washington. Parties would include sex, and abuse such as “beatings with extension cords while naked”[33]. Immediately, the FBI began claiming that there was no substance to the sexual abuse allegations 34, OMAHA WORLD HERALD. The stories of the victims told a drastically different story. “The older sister alleged that King arranged for her to fly to parties in Washington, D.C., and other cities where men engaged her in sexual activity,”35, OMAHA WORLD HERALD. Apparently, the abused were all foster children, and they would miss weeks of school each year taking these trips [35].

The head of the investigative committee, known as the Franklin Comittee, Gary Carodori, was also convinced of the rampant child abuse and was determined to bring perpetrators to justice. As a side note, you can view Caradori's interviews with the victims here. Early on in the investigation, Gary Caradori would meet an untimely death, during a flight on his way to Chicago to review new evidence. There was a scattered wreckage pattern, indicating that the plane broke apart in the air, and not upon impact 36, OMAHA WORLD HERALD. The new head investigator would repeatedly lead the committee in the wrong direction, away from child abuse and satanic ritual claims. A state senator resigned from the investigative committee and said, “"I really don't think the things Larry King knew will ever be made public,” 38, OMAHA WORLD HERALD. He also cited concerns about the change in leadership.

A New York Times article 39 confirms that state investigators were given thousands of files regarding sexual abuse from children and testimonies from people involved in the foster care and education system. What happened next is amazing. Instead of indighting the accused perpetrators to develop cases against them, Grand Juries twice ordered the thousands of files to be sealed, and then brought charges of perjury against some of the victims! 40,SALEM NEWS. The mainstream media did their part to defend the grand jury and to marginalize the testimonies of the victims Example, NY TIMES. One of the victims was sentenced to 9-15 years in prison, and spent two years in solitary confinement!!! [40]. 8 years later the woman in question, Alisha Owen, was denied a hearing to commute her sentence 41, OMAHA WORLD HERALD. Lawrence King, however, would leave prison after just 10 years, being found guilty only of financial crimes 42, OMAHA WORLD HERALD. As with the Dutroux affair, I have again only shown a small portion of a truly mind blowing and exceptionally well documented story. Many victims in their interviews cited being forced to participate in satanic rituals, and had named King as a participant. What I hope I have laid out here is that there are certainly child prostitution rings in the United States and that kids are transported across the country for high profile customers. When people get in the way of these activities, they are silenced or killed. To learn more about the Franklin Coverup (and there is a lot more to learn!!), read this book by John DeCamp, watch this documentary, and view this website which h

Unfortunately, the next step in this expose takes us to truly bizarre and disturbing places. A particularly disturbing child abuse case involving a military day care center came to light in 1987 43, NEW YORK TIMES. Allegations of abuse involving 60 children, some infants, surfaced at the Presidio military base in San Francisco. I would like to point out that this article claims that child abuse allegations had surfaced at more than 30(!!!) military day care centers across the country in the previous 3(!!!!) years before its publishing, including some of the most esteemed bases such as West Point and Fort Dix. It would be impossible to lay out the cases for each one here, but I would like to share this quote from the San Jose Mercury News: “Children at West Point told stories that would become horrifyingly familiar. They said they had been ritually abused. They said they had had excrement smeared on their bodies and been forced to eat feces and drink urine. They said they were taken away from the day care center and photographed. “

[44]. At the Presidio, at least 4 children were found to have chlamydia, and up to 60 had shown clear signs of abuse. The most important exposes into the Presidio case were written by Linda Goldston of the San Jose Mercury News. In an article titled 44, “Abuse Case at Presidio Quietly Closed By U.S.”, the events are told in chilling detail. The first victims to come forward were aged 3 and 4. Interestingly, the Presidio child care center was not closed until over a year after these allegations came to light. Initially charges were only brought against one man, Gary Hambright, a civilian employee. Later, however, it was revealed that police were investigating a man named Michael Aquino, a Lt. Col. Aquino was the founder of a satanic church known as The Temple of Set. Army documents showed that children were often taken on unnanounced trips outside the center, and many children could accurately describe Aquinos house. The search of Aquinos house got investigators thousands of videos and photographs, and what appeared to be a soundproof room, but charged were never brought against him. [44]

The American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, 45 wrote an extensive analysis of the victims of the Presidio. They stated: “The severity of the trauma for children at the Presidio was immediately manifest in clear cut symptoms. Before the abuse was exposed, parents had already noticed the following changes in their children: vaginal discharge, genital soreness, rashes, fear of the dark, sleep disturbances, nightmares, sexually provocative language, and sexually inappropriate behavior. In addition, the children were exhibiting other radical changes in behavior, including temper outbursts, sudden mood shifts, and poor impulse control. All these behavioral symptoms are to be expected in preschool children who have been molested.” [45]

The San Jose Mercury News expanded on the story a few months later with an article titled Army of the Night, 46. This article dives into the satanic aspect of the child abuse at the Presidio. Satanism had apparently surfaced at the Presidio years earlier. Military Police had investigated some buildings after reports of a man dressed in all black holding a little girls hand had been reported. An MP was recorded as saying: “We kicked the door open and here's this nice little bedroom. In a corner was a mannequin with a gun aimed at the door. On the left side there was a bunk against the wall. There was a pentagram on the floor, a huge one. There were dolls' heads all over the ceiling, just off-the-wall stuff... We were sitting there, we've got a cult on the Presidio of San Francisco and nobody cares about it. We were told by the provost marshal to just forget about it.” As a side note, in February 1987, Aquino appeared on the Oprah Winfrey show and gave a passionate defense of his Satanic beliefs. On the Autumnal equinox of 1987, an occult day of importance, fire would strike a building adjacent to the day care center, destroying many records relating to the center. A month later, fire would destroy the day care center itself. The ATF found that the causes of both fires had been arson, contrary to the Army which claimed faulty wiring. Prosecutors would once again bring charges against Gary Hambright, but suspiciously they did not include the allegations of children with serious documented abuse such as missing hymens and rectal lesions. Apparently the children were chosen on the basis of who would make the best witnesses. The strategy did not pan out, the judge ruled the charges as “too vague” and Hambright walked free, and no charges were again brought against the Presidio military base day care center [46].

FALSE MEMORIES SYNDROME FOUNDATION

The next case I will address is known as the McMartin Preschool abuse scandal. But before I delve into that, I need to address the False Memories Syndrome Foundation, FMSF. They are a prominent group promoting the idea that children who claim they have been abused in satanic rituals have either wild imaginations, or were prodded along by zealot psychologists. They have been tremendously successful in their mission. Recently a Reddit post promoting the false memory theory received over 2000 upvotes in r/TIL. Members of FMSF have been called to appear as expert witnesses in dozens of court cases. I have already established that there have been hundreds of different children reporting satanic abuse not only across the country, but in different continents as well. This alone should be enough to make the false memory theory very flimsy. However, there is a lot more interesting information about the FMSF to discuss. A huge amount of members of the FMSF have not only been accused of pedophilia themselves, but are also a part of the military industrial complex. Peter J. Freyd founded the FMSF after being accused of sexual abuse by his daughter. David Dinges, a member of the scientific advisory board of the FMSF, was involved with Navy Intelligence. Harold Leif was involved with CIA mind control experiments. Paul McHugh has been a very vocal critic of Dissociative Identity Disorder and has worked at many military hospitals. Martin T. Orne was funded by MKULTRA Harvard Crimson. Ralph Underwager claimed it was 'gods will' when adults engage in sex with children. There are more suspicious members of the FMSF but I feel that this list suffices. I will end this paragraph with a quote from the Columbia Journalism Review: "Rarely has such a strange and little-understood organization had such a profound effect on media coverage of such a controversial matter. The [False Memory Syndrome] foundation is an aggressive, well-financed PR machine adept at manipulating the press, harassing its critics, and mobilizing a diverse army of psychiatrists, outspoken academics, expert defense witnesses, litigious lawyers, Freud bashers, critics of psychotherapy, and devastated parents.”

MCMARTIN PRESCHOOL ABUSE

Now, on to the McMartin Preschool case. The McMartin preschool, located in California, was the center of a massive child prostitution and pornography ring, and appears to be the center of an equally massive coverup. Concerns began in August 1983, when a mother told police that her two year old son had been sexually abused 47, LA TIMES. By 1984, 360 children had come forward claiming abuse 48, NY TIMES. A significant number showed physical evidence of abuse 49, NY TIMES. These kids also described wild satanic rituals they were forced to participate it, such as eating feces, necrophilia and coprophilia, with some claims as bizarre as a babies head being chopped off, and being forced to drink the blood 50. CRIME LIBRARY. The children told stories of being transported in underground tunnels. The mainstream media did their best to discredit the tunnel theory. However, archeologist E. Gary Stickel, PhD conducted a study of the McMartin preschool grounds, which you can read here. The survey was conducted in 1990, after the property had been sold, and long after charges against the abuse perpetrators had been dropped, and the victims thoroughly marginalized in the mainstream media, with help from the FSMF. Stickel found two extensive tunnel complex systems underneath the preschool, which accurately reflected the testimonies given by the children. In summation, the media and government would have us believe that 360 children all invented false memories of horrific satanic abuse, of participating in rituals in which adults sheathed in black ceremonial robes uttered chants, that they lied about being transported for prostitution across town, and that they lied about being photographed and videotaped for child pornography, despite verification of physical abuse in most of the children as well as the existence of tunnels under the complex. Again, the victims were marginalized in the press, the FBI denied any legitimate claims, the prosecution harassed victims endlessly in court, and all charges were eventually dropped.

THE FINDERS

In 1987 the New York Times ran a story, 51 about a little known cult called “The Finders”. The first paragraph reads: “Police officials here said today that six disheveled children found in Tallahassee, Fla., might be the offspring of members of a little-known cult, but the officials said they had not ruled out the possibility of kidnapping.” The Finders had previously been described in the media: “In appearance, the Finders—mostly middle-aged men, always in dark suits—wouldn’t be out of place managing a local funeral home. But the behavior of the handful of adherents has people wondering whether they arrived by flying saucer. Townspeople say the Finders constantly walk the streets, following people home and taking extensive notes and pictures. They often appear at local council meetings, never saying a word but simply observing the scene. At other times, they plunder the visitor’s center of brochures, maps, and local travel guides. And they haunt the courthouse, scouring land deeds to find out who owns the local real estate,” 52, WASHINGTON CITY PAPER. Who are these suspicious people, and what were they doing with 6 undocumented children, transporting them across the country? The children were found to show signs of sexual abuse 53, CHICAGO TRIBUNE. Customs agents raided one the Finders compounds, and found detailed instructions on obtaining children for unknown purposes and several photographs of nude children 54, US NEWS AND WORLD REPORT .The US News and World Report article continues: “The more the police learned about the Finders, the more bizarre they seemed: There were suggestions of child abuse, Satanism, dealing in pornography and ritualistic animal slaughter. None of the allegations was ever proved, however. The child abuse charges against the two men in Tallahassee were dropped.” The stories about The Finders quickly died down, but would not disappear entirely, as rumors linking The Finders to the CIA persisted. According to the US News and World Report, “Customs Service documents reveal that in 1987, when Customs agents sought to examine the evidence gathered by Washington, D.C., police, they were told that the Finders investigation 'had become a CIA internal matter.' The police report on the case had been classified secret,” [54] Florida congressman Tom Lewis was quoted as saying: “'Could our own government have something to do with this Finders organization and turned their backs on these children? That's what all the evidence points to," says Lewis. "And there's a lot of evidence. I can tell you this: We've got a lot of people scrambling, and that wouldn't be happening if there was nothing here.'“ A connection was produced, and confirmed by the CIA: A firm that provided computer training to CIA officers also employed several members of the Finders. Anyone researching the CIA will come to the conclusion that the organization does not contract training out to other sources, it only ever creates proprietary organizations.

CONCLUDING THOUGHTS

I would love to be able to say I have exhausted all there is to know about organized pedophilia. Unfortunately, the truth is that I have only captured a glimpse of the epidemic. For example, I have not even touched pedophile rings in the United Kingdom, of which there are many well documented cases I hope that every single person who reads this post will be spurred to do further research, and help bring to light the child holocaust that is happening under our noses. I will end this post with a list of questions for further thought.
*How can pedophiles and sympathizers exist at crucial positions to prevent investigations from ever gaining steam?
*Why do so many people with a military intelligence background seem to have a vested interest in marginalizing victims of ritual abuse?
*How could victims of satanic ritual abuse exist in such diverse geographic areas and from such different walks of life?
*Why has the FBI and CIA failed to ever bust a major child trafficking ring? And why aren't missing children counted?
*Is it suspicious that the transgressions of Americas notorious serial killers are so similar to the claims presented by victims of Satanic Ritual Abuse?
*Should we further investigate the social connections of high profile pedophiles, such as Sandusky and George Bush, and Savile and the Royal family?
*Should this information make us rethink the Feds recent push for gun control?
*Could organizations that traffic children also be involved in terrorism?
*What can I do to spread information about this epidemic?
*Is it possible that intelligence agencies or satanic cults would provide children to politicians with a purpose of blackmailing them?
Some final notes. This account is brand new for anonymity purposes but I am a long time redditor and have been actively contributing to this conspiracy subreddit for a period of time as well. Feel free to repost this essay as you see fit, anywhere, without worrying about credit. I do not care about recognition, I only want this information to be made public.

[Ewan]

8chan can be depressing, you have to learn to skim read the mindless posts.
There are some good researchers there.


Sex trafficking trade forces women from Odessa to massage parlours in Britain

https://archive.is/9u6VO

Odessa grew rich in the 19th century by exporting Russian grain. These days one of its main trades is in flesh. The city is a collecting hub for women from across the former Soviet Union who, unbeknown to them, have been snared by traffickers. From Odessa and elsewhere in Ukraine they are conveyed west to Europe and east to Russia, or south to Turkey and the Middle East. Twice a week ferries from Istanbul bring back those, often ill and pregnant, who have been deported by the Turks.

https://archive.is/E5GkY

Welcome to Odessa: the strategic southern Ukrainian port that has emerged as one of the principal hubs of the international sex trade. Blighted by police corruption and organised crime, the city has become a marketplace where women are bought, sold, deceived, abused, and in many cases trafficked to a hellish life abroad.

https://archive.is/JxhY0

Also, organs

Israel is the organ harvesting and human trafficking global ringleader, with complicit help from US and Turkey

https://archive.is/uazdM

Shocking information appeared on the social networks saying that the militia from Slavyansk found hundreds of corpses of National Guard soldiers during a night reconnaissance operation. The soldiers had had their stomachs ripped open and internal organs removed. In addition, the people living in the troubled territories, have seen well-equipped ambulance vehicles, armored cash collection vans and other special vehicles near hospitals of the Ukrainian army.

Employees of international airports, for example, in Boryspil, said that there were many small aircraft chartered to transport special refrigerators that are used for transporting human organs.

https://archive.is/OAlLK

To my knowledge moscow is not complicit. Kiev is. Moscow should be investigated nevertheless. Kikes[sic] were running kiev at the time this was going on. Moscow provided us with some useful information (link above). There is large market in israel

Thousands of women are being smuggled into Israel, creating a booming sex trade industry that rakes more than USD one billion a year, a parliamentary committee said on Wednesday.

https://archive.is/NvVhX

[ThePythonicCow]

btw - it's extremely hard these days to discern real news from fake news. The pizza gate was an alarm bell as it is in my literal backyard and directly in my life and really smart people were convinced of certain "facts" that I know for FACT are FALSE. The war we are in right now is perception, information, and psychological. This article should be mandatory reading for all well intentioned internet users of "news":Anyway, would like to know what parts of the Comet Ping-Pong/Podesta story you think are "fake" since you seem to know some of the alleged players. Other than simply asserting that it's all politically motivated and perpetuated by completely false/doctored images, I haven't heard much in the way of real information that would tend to exonerate those implicated. Which parts are doctored? Are none of the images real? Are the Wikileaks emails not real? Are the hackers all liars or idiots? Personally, I read the Wikileaks pizza-related posts by Podesta and they are extremely strange -- they certainly seem like "code" to me. And unless all of the images that are going around about Comet Ping-Pong and its owner are fake, at the very least, this guy has some twisted taste in "art" as you say.
Well said, awakeningmom. Thanks.

[DNA]

This is ridiculous. I am embarrassed for Project Avalon for pushing this ****. Modern day witch hunt.

[Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUGj5IhepMg]

Please don't feel sorry for me Todd & Nora and please do not feel embarrassed for Project Avalon.
Some day you will realize the error of your ways, and you will feel embarrassed for your naivety regarding this current situation.
Just my take but you have been coming off like a real A$$hole regarding this topic, you might want to take a deep breath and ask yourself the question "Do I know absolutely everything about any given topic"? If the answer is "no" maybe you should stop posting like the pompous know it all you keep coming off like.



In so far as the data is concerned, David Seaman is a professional journalist giving his take on the situation. He will probably never get a job in the industry again because of his honest take but here it is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL15ZkNgUI0
GL15ZkNgUI0


And this young lady does an excellent job of breaking down some of the facts concerning this situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUGj5IhepMg
IUGj5IhepMg

[araucaria]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77172-In-depth-documentary-on-Madeleine-McCann-by-Richplanet.-Must-watch.&p=1116563&viewfull=1#post1116563

The above post of mine addresses some of the complexities of this discussion in a hopefully balanced way.

[awakeningmom]

Thanks Ewan, and apparently NPR is a client of the Podesta Group too.... coincidence?

[3(C)+me]

Corbett report weighs in on all this Fake news.
Oh the reversals...
-UDYVmIMVA8

[ThePythonicCow]

Please don't feel sorry for me Todd & Nora and please do not feel embarrassed for Project Avalon.
Some day you will realize the error of your ways, and you will feel embarrassed for your naivety regarding this current situation.
Just my take but you have been coming off like a real A$$hole regarding this topic, you might want to take a deep breath and ask yourself the question "Do I know absolutely everything about any given topic"? If the answer is "no" maybe you should stop posting like the pompous know it all you keep coming off like.
I suspect, DNA, that TODD & NORA do have something to offer on this topic, and that calling them pompous assholes is not the best way to approach this :).

[onawah]

Just saw this on Wolf Spirit Radio's Jay Pee's Facebook page:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate
...a news site for pizzagate related news.

[Flowerpunkchip]

Another good video by David Seaman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIBZXzOp-mc

dIBZXzOp-mc

[Flowerpunkchip]

https://i.sli.mg/JpF4XF.png

who is this guy in the middle?

https://i.sli.mg/JpF4XF.png


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https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/

[3(C)+me]

A well versed and balanced view of this subject:

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[Octavusprime]

Todd and Nora. You are quick to get very emotional and lash out at us (Avalon). I realize that this is a sensitive subject but having more attention focused on the child slave trade is not necessarily a bad thing. Perhaps this is a huge conspiracy to redirect the masses towards a political rival. Maybe you have some insider knowledge to offer or perhaps you have emotional ties to those in the spotlight and are blinded to the truth. It could be that the people you think you know aren't the people you think they are. You may be 100% correct that this is a huge Witch hunt. It's all in the delivery.

Let's see some examples of the "doctored photos" and evidence that the Podesta emails are fake. Please provide some sound rationale as to why there is suddenly a witch hunt out for "fake news" and such a strong reaction to suppress this story by "news agencies" like NPR. Your emotional attacks on the Avalon members is not helping your cause. This isn't the first time you have gotten emotional on a topic in which you claim to be an insider and that everyone else is clueless. How is it that you are an expert/insider on so many topics? I would provide examples but you seem to want to be an online ghost and delete your past posts.

Many trusted people on this site are trusted because the community gets to know them. You are very secretive and often brash in you responses. It would be way more helpful and effective if you provided real life examples, evidence or researched hypothesis' rather than to just tell people that they are wrong and foolish. People don't respond well to dismissive emotionally driven responses. Trust me, I've made this mistake many times myself.

I listen to NPR and what I've noticed is that it is extremely biased. It was a Pro Hillary and Anti Trump propaganda tool over the last few months. Essentially it just regurgitates the narrative of the current heads of state. We will see what happens to NPR once Trump is in office. I still listen but more to hear what is being pushed and what is being conveniently left out... One must look between lines if you know what I mean.

[Octavusprime]

Z4OP--ZXOjc

I provide this as an overview of the current info/theories on Pizzagate. I'm still on the fence but there are some very strange connections being made.

[3(C)+me]

Z4OP--ZXOjc

I provide this as an overview of the current info/theories on Pizzagate. I'm still on the fence but there are some very strange connections being made.


You might be interested in this post by bsbray:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94670-Kanye-West-hospitalized-under-psychiatric-evaluation&p=1116774&viewfull=1#post1116774

[TODD & NORA]

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[Bob]

Attacks are what public forums such as Project Avalon are for apparently.

The fulfillment of Garabandal could not come soon enough...you are welcome to fight amongst yourselves. The request to delete our account from the forum has been submitted.

Seems to me Todd and Nora, forum Policy is clear - Ad Hominem attacks on members are not allowed. Have you tried asking Bill Ryan to take a look at how you and Nora were attacked (reputation slammed is what it looks like to me) - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94670-Kanye-West-hospitalized-under-psychiatric-evaluation&p=1116774&viewfull=1#post1116774


I realize a lot of sick people are in very powerful positions, and a lot of good people at heart have been corrupted. Some people though, are beyond redemption.

Todd and Nora, let's do some soul searching. The data is out there and people know how to find me on Skype. The moderators here and Bill Ryan himself know that I can be a very fair and reasonable person. Let's make this a true discussion forum and have full disclosure. Let's be clear about how Nora worked for the CIA director under Bill Clinton, James Woolsey Jr. Let's talk about how James Woosley spoke personally at your wedding. Let's talk about how close you guys are to the Clinton family and what you really represent here on this forum.

I've emphasized in RED what offends me the most. HOW DARE anyone say what you "really represent" on the FORUM.

I AM DISGUSTED that such a post has been allowed and what I personally find is really interesting is HOW MANY PEOPLE THANKED BsBray for that post. How sad really.

Color emphasis on word string added for looking at the 'message' that appears to be intended -


bsbray in PA post http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94670-Kanye-West-hospitalized-under-psychiatric-evaluation&p=1116774&viewfull=1#post1116774 says :

[..] Let me tell you people something. This is a time for some real soul-searching. This is beyond politics. This is beyond right and left. This is a choice between law and order, or chaos. This is a choice between having your kids stolen from you in the middle of the night and raped and murdered by people who are above the law, or else holding everyone accountable.

I realize a lot of sick people are in very powerful positions, and a lot of good people at heart have been corrupted. Some people though, are beyond redemption.

Todd and Nora, let's do some soul searching. The data is out there and people know how to find me on Skype.

The moderators here and Bill Ryan himself know that I can be a very fair and reasonable person.

Let's make this a true discussion forum and have full disclosure.

Let's be clear about how Nora worked for the CIA director under Bill Clinton, James Woolsey Jr. Let's talk about how James Woosley spoke personally at your wedding.

Let's talk about how close you guys are to the Clinton family and what you really represent here on this forum.

I'm not giving any last names or personal information here out of respect for you and the opportunity for you to give us full transparency.

I know you two have been respected members here for a long time but from the "thanks" I'm seeing on your posts, not even the staff here seem to have your back much anymore.

I know Innocent Warrior and she is a great person, a truly good soul, as all of the moderators I have personally spoken to from PA are good people.

None of us are perfect and we can all be suckered into some bad stuff.

But there is always time for redemption and forgiveness.

But the time for games is over.

It is time for some soul searching people.

Whatever higher power you believe in, or don't believe in,

I pray that you come out of this standing on the right side of history.

No matter what is in your past, you still have the choice to do the right thing.

NLP programming works by first opening up the reader (disarming stage) then KEYWORDS of EMOTIONAL CONTENT are tossed in, the key is triggering emotion.. Keyword programming can be positive or negative connotation, then the BODY of the program is run, then the closing emotional triggering to "leave a nice taste"..

What is left running in the mind are the keywords, the emotional triggers...

Stringing together then in order the keywords - this appears to be the embedded message:

Let me tell you people a lot of sick people are in very powerful positions Some people though, are beyond redemption Let's be clear what you really represent here on this forum out of respect for you not even the staff here seem to have your back much anymore

[Octavusprime]

Attacks are what public forums such as Project Avalon are for apparently.

The fulfillment of Garabandal could not come soon enough...you are welcome to fight amongst yourselves. The request to delete our account from the forum has been submitted.

I thought these forums are for discussion. You don't seem to want to discuss anything. You just state your views as fact without much supporting evidence and then get upset that people question your opinions. Mind boggling.

I had to look up Garabandal: http://www.garabandal.org/story.shtml


A Greater Miracle to Come
Conchita has clearly said that Our Lady has promised a greater miracle in Garabandal so that all may believe the apparitions and be obedient to the message. "As the punishment which we deserve for the sins of the world is great, the miracle must also be a great one, for the world needs it." It will occur on a Thursday on the feast day of a saint devoted to the Eucharist, at 8:30 in the evening, and will last for about one quarter of an hour. It will also coincide with a great event in the Church. The sick who come to Garabandal on that day will be cured, unbelievers will be converted. There will remain a permanent sign at "The Pines" as a proof of Our Lady's tremendous love for all her children.

"The sign that will remain," says Conchita, "will be able to be seen, photographed and televised but it will not be able to be touched. It will appear clearly that it is something not of this world, but of God."

Conchita has been granted permission by Our Lady to announce the date of the miracle eight days in advance. With the present means of communication and travel, eight days are sufficient for people around the world to gather. The day of The miracle may be the last opportunity given us by God and may be also Our Lady's last effort to save the world from the punishment already threatened.

Some time ago Conchita wrote, "The Blessed Virgin will not allow me to reveal the nature of The miracle although I already know it. Neither can I reveal the date of it, which I know, until eight days before it is to happen." Before The miracle takes place Our Lady has said that all mankind will receive a warning from heaven.

The Warning
Conchita wrote: "The warning comes directly from God and will be visible to the whole world and from any place where anyone many happen to be. It will be like the revelation of our sins and it will be seen and felt by everyone, believer and unbeliever alike irrespective of whatever religion he may belong to. It will be seen and felt in all parts of the world and by every person."

It will happen in the sky, no one can prevent it form happening. We will even prefer to be dead rather than to pass through this Warning It will not kill us. It will be a "correction" of our conscience. It will cause great fear and will make us reflect within ourselves on the consequences of our own personal sins. It will be like a warning of the punishment to come. In this way the world will be offered a means of purification to prepare itself for the extraordinary grace of the Great Miracle.

Jacinta was told by Our Blessed Mother "that the warning would come when conditions were at their worst." The date was not revealed to the visionaries, however Mari-Loli does know the year; and she said that The Miracle will happen within one year after The Warning.

The Punishment
If we do not pay attention to the message, the punishment announced by Our Lady will be visited on the whole world after The miracle. During one of their ecstasies the girls were heard praying for the innocent children but, nevertheless, they shed tears at the same time. Since the day they learned about the punishment they have developed a great spirit of sacrifice. They pray very much for sinners and for priests. They often say that if priests are not what they should be many souls will be lost.

Conchita has written: "I cannot reveal what kind of punishment it is except that it will be a result of the direct intervention of God, which makes it more terrible and fearful than anything we can imagine. It will be less painful for innocent babies to die a natural death than for those babies to die because of the punishment. All Catholics should go to confession before the punishment and the others should repent of their sins. When I saw IT (the punishment), I felt a great fear even though at the same time I was seeing Our Blessed Mother. The punishment, if it comes, will come after the miracle"

When Our Lady spoke to the girls of the punishment, her face assumed a look of great sadness. The girls revealed: "We have never seen her look so serious. When she said the words 'The cup is already filling', she spoke in a very low voice."

[Octavusprime]

Sorry Bob but ever since Todd and Nora joined they have used this forum as a platform. They state things but don't want to discuss any of it. It can lead someone to question their motives. You can blame others for their judgements but really it all starts with thy self and how they present themselves here. I mean why get on a forum if you aren't open for debate? Why join a site for spiritual, science and political discussion if you don't want to be questioned and don't participate in providing evidence or rationale. It's just a lot of "you guys are wrong" "this is how it really is". Just statements that to some may look like opinions with very authoritarian/elitist overtones.

I really want to get to know Todd and Nora but for whatever reason they don't feel comfortable letting others get to know them.

As always this is my opinion and may be completely off. Often tone and inflection are very hard to read in text.

[Bob]

Sorry Bob but ever since Todd and Nora joined they have used this forum as a platform. They state things but don't want to discuss any of it. It can lead someone to question their motives. You can blame others for their judgements but really it all starts with they self and how they present themselves here. I mean why get on a forum if you aren't open for debate? Why join a site for spiritual, science and political discussion if you don't want to be questioned and don't participate in providing evidence or rationale. It's just a lot of "you guys are wrong" "this is how it really is". Just statements that to most look like opinions with very authoritarian/elitist overtones.

I really want to get to know Todd and Nora but for whatever reason they don't feel comfortable letting others get to know them.

As always this is my opinion and may be completely off. Often tone and inflection are very hard to read in text.

One can always PM and ask someone in confidentiality why one would or would not speak about something in public. Ad Hominem attacks are not at all a kind way to deal with an emotional situation. PM and ASK someone what's up. :)

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I think that everyone knows and agrees that there is a big problem with trafficking children in America. I think many of us are aware that there is a likely connection/ring among the powerful including those in Washington. We've been looking at that for decades. I think David Icke's done some good work there as well as others.

I keep seeing folks on this thread pointing that out as though it somehow proves that pizzagate is true and not false. I think we all know that child sex trafficking is a problem. I don't think that needs to be proven. Pointing that out as somehow implicating the pizzagate players is illogical.

There is lots to look at and discuss that is directly related to the case while we try to understand what is really going on.

[Octavusprime]

Sorry Bob but ever since Todd and Nora joined they have used this forum as a platform. They state things but don't want to discuss any of it. It can lead someone to question their motives. You can blame others for their judgements but really it all starts with they self and how they present themselves here. I mean why get on a forum if you aren't open for debate? Why join a site for spiritual, science and political discussion if you don't want to be questioned and don't participate in providing evidence or rationale. It's just a lot of "you guys are wrong" "this is how it really is". Just statements that to most look like opinions with very authoritarian/elitist overtones.

I really want to get to know Todd and Nora but for whatever reason they don't feel comfortable letting others get to know them.

As always this is my opinion and may be completely off. Often tone and inflection are very hard to read in text.

One can always PM and ask someone in confidentiality why one would or would not speak about something in public. Ad Hominem attacks are not at all a kind way to deal with an emotional situation. PM and ASK someone what's up. :)

This is true. I've never really used the PM feature much, unless the Mods are telling me to chill. :whistle: I like to get everything out in the open and discuss it. Mainly because if I'm questioning something then I assume others are as well.

[Octavusprime]

I think that everyone knows and agrees that there is a big problem with trafficking children in America. I think many of us are aware that there is a likely connection/ring among the powerful including those in Washington. We've been looking at that for decades. I think David Icke's done some good work there as well as others.

I keep seeing folks on this thread pointing that out as though it somehow proves that pizzagate is true and not false. I think we all know that child sex trafficking is a problem. I don't think that needs to be proven. Pointing that out as somehow implicating the pizzagate players is illogical.

There is lots to look at and discuss that is directly related to the case while we try to understand what is really going on.

Agreed and I think many are trying to provide such evidence.

[Bob]

Sorry Bob but ever since Todd and Nora joined they have used this forum as a platform. They state things but don't want to discuss any of it. It can lead someone to question their motives. You can blame others for their judgements but really it all starts with they self and how they present themselves here. I mean why get on a forum if you aren't open for debate? Why join a site for spiritual, science and political discussion if you don't want to be questioned and don't participate in providing evidence or rationale. It's just a lot of "you guys are wrong" "this is how it really is". Just statements that to most look like opinions with very authoritarian/elitist overtones.

I really want to get to know Todd and Nora but for whatever reason they don't feel comfortable letting others get to know them.

As always this is my opinion and may be completely off. Often tone and inflection are very hard to read in text.

One can always PM and ask someone in confidentiality why one would or would not speak about something in public. Ad Hominem attacks are not at all a kind way to deal with an emotional situation. PM and ASK someone what's up. :)

This is true. I've never really used the PM feature much, unless the Mods are telling me to chill. :whistle: I like to get everything out in the open and discuss it. Mainly because if I'm questioning something then I assume others are as well.

Just for a thought exercise... possibly somebody has confidential informants and by revealing all that out in public, that could very well cause the informant to be killed - considering the topic and subject matter.. PM is an easy way to dialog and as you have asked, you want to get to know Todd & Nora. Quite possibly one may find they are great folks :) bent really on public service and trying their best to crack open a very tight door and not get in harms way.. Just a thought to consider..

[Octavusprime]

It's hard to crack a very tight door by making a statement and then refusing to elaborate or provide evidence. I guess in this particular thought experiment it would be very frustrating to balance the desire for full disclosure while remaining safe from harm. Something I should ponder more.,..

[Bob]

going to backtrack cross post from one done earlier - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15915-Very-Disturbing-Jay-Weidner-Sacred-Mysteries-video--removed-&p=1116383&viewfull=1#post1116383 in this thread.. the reason is, confidential informants..

Aaron Cohen (who is btw, a close personal friend of Todd and Nora) has stated that informants in this disgusting pedophilia and child slavery topic get killed by those who buy the favors and the slaves. And Aaaron has stated numerous times getting close to killed for getting too close. He says he also trains Law Enforcement in how to deal with this particular type of highly insidious traffic'ing and what to look for, and how to interrogate and how to get the networks of traffic'ers busted.

Those folks demanding that Todd and Nora reveal what they know (that which is confidential) behind the cracked door I find is unbelievable to me (for the reasons stated below), and certainly appears to me would be more counter-productive than helpful.

Aaron probably is the one who has more of the data and certainly would be a great addition to the FORUM to be able to speak on these topics..

Here is another bit of information from the interview with Aaron Cohen -


Before Aaron Cohen started to look into the trade of human souls, he was more or less like many other young people in the West. With his friend Perry Farrell from Jane’s Addiction he grabbed life at its tail, celebrated every minute of it. Groupies, alcohol, clubs, drugs, parties. The usual.

Until he found a purpose in life: Help free the slaves.

Cohen became a human rights activist, a specialist in finding those sold into slavery and those selling.

He traveled South America and Asia in his search and rescue missions.

His work does not consist of rushing in guns ablaze, he knows well that this does not help anybody. He talks to governments, connects with NGOs.

I talked to Aaron Cohen about his life, his mission, and the lives he saves.

Aaron is like any of the members who have been there, done that, are real people, musicians, compassionate and gees caring like all get out..

Aaron says here:


It’s really just about honestly helping the person in front of you and letting people know that there are things they can do to help.

In facing death there is uncertainty for all of us.

Yes being shot, poisoned, abducted, or tortured are things that can happened to anyone working undercover, but we are working to minimize the risks [..]

And he then says this:


I get it that people need a simple way to understand human trafficking investigations.

I will continue to do undercover work, until my public appearances make it unsafe, and I don’t think I’ve reached that point, but I can see training police and writing more books is in my future, Lord willing.

I teach my guys that the best way to keep alive in this game of cat searching for slaves, is to have our feet on the ground, trusting our instincts, and to constantly check ourselves spiritually.

We must remember to let our soul lead and not be seduced by our physical desires to receive.

In another thread Todd and Nora are questioned for being able to talk with "high level" people in former administrations in what appears to be a very uncomplimentary tone - but Aaron points this out, he tells this to the PUBLIC so that they can understand WHY certain relationships HAVE to be created (to be able to move forward no doubt..)


The work begins with identifying the key components missing in the task force and it continues with building and sustaining relationships to these key stake holders.

It’s through these task forces, forming them, analyzing them, and mentoring them –– This is where we are creating a sustainable and duplicatable model for abolishing slavery.

Finding the stakeholders: the Justice Minister, the local police, the chiefs of police, the federal law enforcement and international law enforcement officials.

Building relationships to protective services, witness protection, to the psychologists, drug councilors, to the shelters, transitional living, and the vocational training professionals.

So there’s a lot to the work, from prosecution, to protection, to prevention, but the essential component is in partnership, building and maintaining task forces.

The expression "to walk where Angels fear to tread..." comes to mind..

¤=[Post Update]=¤


It's hard to crack a very tight door by making a statement and then refusing to elaborate or provide evidence. I guess in this particular thought experiment it would be very frustrating to balance the desire for full disclosure while remaining safe from harm. Something I should ponder more.,..

(please see the above post, quite possibly it will help understand what is behind that tightly closed door :) I've added some of what's behind that door from my brief view at some of the 'team' that is going after the slavers.. )

[Hervé]

[...]
Those folks demanding that Todd and Nora reveal what they know (that which is confidential) behind the cracked door I find is unbelievable to me (for the reasons stated below), and certainly appears to me would be more counter-productive than helpful.
[...]... then, why bother posting all the smoke since no cigars can be offered?

[Satori]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77172-In-depth-documentary-on-Madeleine-McCann-by-Richplanet.-Must-watch.&p=1116563&viewfull=1#post1116563

The above post of mine addresses some of the complexities of this discussion in a hopefully balanced way.

And, I must say, a very good post araucaria.

[ThePythonicCow]

TODD & NORA have left Avalon: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78116-RECORD-of-MODERATOR-ACTIONS&p=1116984&viewfull=1#post1116984

This is a tough topic - let's continue to do our best to discuss and contribute in the best ways we can.

[Bob]

TODD & NORA have left Avalon: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78116-RECORD-of-MODERATOR-ACTIONS&p=1116984&viewfull=1#post1116984

This is a tough topic - let's continue to do our best to discuss and contribute in the best ways we can.

I think it is worse than 'tough' Paul. Have you ever talked with Todd and Nora personally, like on the telephone? To ask what is it all about? How many others have? Just thinking out loud. I know it is not easy to be eloquent using 'words' to convey emotions, and how the words come out is not what one necessarily really means in the 'soul' speaking when that happens, right?

In light of them being "retired" - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/sendmessage.php?do=mailmember&u=17902 there still appears to be a VALID email address to CONTACT THEM via EMAIL, and get those answers. If they apparently know so much about the traffic'ing, it is logical to not just walk away. And seems to me, getting Aaron Cohen to become a member and give first hand testimony is what the Forum members want, if I read the many posts asking for LIGHT on the subject, yes?

[onawah]

The little bit that Wikileaks has already given re Podesta, spirit cooking, etc. has gone viral.
I think it's going to do a lot more to wake ordinary people up to the harsh realities of child trafficking, Satanism etc.
If I am any kind of indicator, even many members of Avalon had and/or have no clue who Todd and Nora are.

The kind of information they have won't do much good if it remains private.
Which is why Wikileaks has proven so valuable; like most whistleblower information, it is widely disseminated, but entails risk.
I don't think many here would agree that Wikileaks info comes from Russia.
(Though it seems quite clear there is a lot of slavery and child trafficking originating in and from Russia.)
I think Assange and his sources are motivated for the good.

[Bob]

The little bit that Wikileaks has already given re Podesta, spirit cooking, etc. has gone viral.
I think it's going to do a lot more to wake ordinary people up to the harsh realities of child trafficking, Satanism etc.
If I am any kind of indicator, even many members of Avalon had and/or have no clue who Todd and Nora are.

The kind of information they have won't do much good if it remains private.
Which is why Wikileaks has proven so valuable; like most whistleblower information, it is widely disseminated, but entails risk.
I don't think many here would agree that Wikileaks info comes from Russia.
(Though it seems quite clear there is a lot of slavery and child trafficking originating in and from Russia.)
I think Assange and his sources are motivated for the good.

And you think Todd and Nora are what? Have you met them personally? I have. I find them quite in integrity, and being highly caring about children, and working towards destroying the networks who are into human abuses, such as slavery of children.

[ThePythonicCow]

I moved fifteen posts to a split thread: Split thread from "Very Disturbing [Jay Weidner videos ...]" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94752-Split-thread-from-Very-Disturbing-Jay-Weidner-videos-...).

Those who wish to continue discussing whether or not the posts of TODD & NORA, and/or replies thereto, were or were not slanderous, inflamatory, insulting, or whatever ... please post on that Split thread.

Those who wish to continue discussing the very disturbing material that was the original focus of this thread, please continue here.

Thanks.

[The Freedom Train]

there are lots of essays on kubricks work online and after watching this mans interview,i think he has gleaned much of what he is selling as revelatory from the same stuff i have been reading for a number of years....nothing new.

I like what he has on his home page:

"Whatever ideas are the most suppressed are most likely to be the closest to the truth.” – Weidner’s First Law of the Universe

“If a picture is worth a thousand words then a symbol is worth a thousand pictures.” – Weidner’s Second Law of the Universe

“The only people who call conspiracies ‘theories’ are the conspirators.” – Weidner’s Third Law of the Universe"

[The Freedom Train]

Todd and Nora. You are quick to get very emotional and lash out at us (Avalon). I realize that this is a sensitive subject but having more attention focused on the child slave trade is not necessarily a bad thing. Perhaps this is a huge conspiracy to redirect the masses towards a political rival. Maybe you have some insider knowledge to offer or perhaps you have emotional ties to those in the spotlight and are blinded to the truth. It could be that the people you think you know aren't the people you think they are. You may be 100% correct that this is a huge Witch hunt. It's all in the delivery.

Let's see some examples of the "doctored photos" and evidence that the Podesta emails are fake. Please provide some sound rationale as to why there is suddenly a witch hunt out for "fake news" and such a strong reaction to suppress this story by "news agencies" like NPR. Your emotional attacks on the Avalon members is not helping your cause. This isn't the first time you have gotten emotional on a topic in which you claim to be an insider and that everyone else is clueless. How is it that you are an expert/insider on so many topics? I would provide examples but you seem to want to be an online ghost and delete your past posts.

Many trusted people on this site are trusted because the community gets to know them. You are very secretive and often brash in you responses. It would be way more helpful and effective if you provided real life examples, evidence or researched hypothesis' rather than to just tell people that they are wrong and foolish. People don't respond well to dismissive emotionally driven responses. Trust me, I've made this mistake many times myself.

I listen to NPR and what I've noticed is that it is extremely biased. It was a Pro Hillary and Anti Trump propaganda tool over the last few months. Essentially it just regurgitates the narrative of the current heads of state. We will see what happens to NPR once Trump is in office. I still listen but more to hear what is being pushed and what is being conveniently left out... One must look between lines if you know what I mean.

Thank you for such fair, balanced, and rational replies Octavusprime.

I'd like to contribute: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf48D4dHgKg

The guy talks about pizzagate as a psyop - the thing that makes me wonder if he may be on to something is that he does not in any way deny the existence of an elite pedo ring - in fact the guy believes it is absolutely happening. If Todd and Nora knew this, though, I would wonder why they were unable to express this? I don't know them, so I have very little to contribute there. If they are operatives, then my guess is that they are victims of mind control and other means of control and manipulation. If they are not, then I don't know what else to say about it. It's too bad that they had to leave - understandably emotions are high when discussing this kind of stuff.

[The Freedom Train]

Attacks are what public forums such as Project Avalon are for apparently.

The fulfillment of Garabandal could not come soon enough...you are welcome to fight amongst yourselves. The request to delete our account from the forum has been submitted.

Out of curiosity, I googled "fulfillment of Garabandal" and this is first:

http://www.garabandal.us/prph_warn

"The Blessed Virgin told me (during a two-hour apparition at the pines January 1, 1965) that a warning would be given before the miracle. The warning is a thing that comes directly from God. No one can escape it. It will be visible all over the world. We will feel it bodily and interiorly. The warning is like a chastisement, a terrifying thing for the good as well as for the wicked. It will be like a revelation of our sins. We shall see the consequences of the sins we have committed. God will send the warning to purify us so that we may better appreciate the miracle by which He clearly proves His love for us and hence His desire that we fulfill the message. The warning will draw the good closer to God and it will warn the wicked that the end of time is coming.

1) The Authentication Factor–After we have experienced the warning, we will review the prophecy describing it. Point by point, the description of the warning, known and published years before it actually happened, will testify to the credibility of the apparitions and thus the message.
2) Preparation–As a personal experience, the warning will probably be the most awesome confrontation of our lives. Are we ready for it? Are we ready for the “terrifying thing” which is “a thousand times worse than earthquakes” which will make us prefer to be dead rather than suffer it? Are we ready to “see ourselves in the light of our sins?” These, especially the last, are stupendous pronouncements. How does one prepare? Our Lady said, “We have given you all that you need,” and her reference was to the message of Garabandal, a message, it must be noted, which re-states the constant teachings of the Church. These fearful details are provided by Our Lady to prompt us to make ready for the warning now through earnest, generous fulfillment of the message in our daily lives.
3) Consolation and Inspiration–Any thinking person is aware that the world is in great need of correction. It would seem that here, indeed, are at least the beginnings of the “difficult times” St. Paul spoke of, when “men will be in love with self, in love with money, boastful, abusive; without reverence for their parents, without gratitude, without scruple, without love, without peace; slanderers, incontinent … thinking rather of their pleasures than of God” (II Tim. 3:2-5). Further since, as Pope Paul observed recently, men seem to have lost the sense of sin, it would seem that nothing short of Divine intervention, can open men’s eyes, reform their hearts. The Garabandal warning promises to be understood by everyone as “from God,” “a correction of the conscience of the world.” This is a great consolation to all who are frightened and confused by widespread iniquity, who long for truth to be once again honored. I believe Our Lady also wishes that those so disposed render praise and thanksgiving to God now–even before the warning–for the consolation and inspiration the knowledge of it provides and for the great good it can be expected to achieve."

What is this???? I do not consider the vatican to be the source of goodliness that will cleanse the earth of sin. I see the concept of sin as a blame and shame campaign designed to brainwash, manipulate and control people. Regarding the elite pedo ring, more than a few people have alluded to the manipulation and blackmailing going on. How far up the line do we have to go to find the source here? How did it start? Are all pedos brainwashed victims of a non human ploy to control and abuse and torture us.?

Just WHAT IN THE HEY is going on here??

[onawah]

For all any of us know, the Garabandal warning was a psyop.
ETs have had the technology to stage such events for a very long time, and for that to be used as evidence of anything on a conspiracy theory forum is really kind of ludicrous.
Much less something that supports the role of the Vatican, home to Satanic rituals and paedophilia for God only knows how long...

[The Freedom Train]

For all any of us know, the Garabandal warning was a psyop.
ETs have had the technology to stage such events for a very long time, and for that to be used as evidence of anything on a conspiracy theory forum is really kind of ludicrous.
Much less something that supports the role of the Vatican, home to Satanic rituals and paedophilia for God only knows how long...

I absolutely agree and suspect that the ET's have been using psychotronics for thousands of years to manipulate and control our minds (creating "mental illness" for instance) in order to subjugate and enslave us. So, yeah. Right on onawah.

[The Freedom Train]

I saw a truck today with a License plate on the front that said, simply, CAIN. I filed it away for some reason. Not being a bible reader, I was not familiar with the details of the Cain and Abel story. For some reason, I just looked it up on wikipedia.

"1 Adam knew his wife Eve intimately, and she conceived and bore Cain. She said, "I have had a male child with the Lord's help."
2 Then she also gave birth to his brother Abel. Now Abel became a shepherd of a flock, but Cain cultivated the land.
3 In the course of time Cain presented some of the land's produce as an offering to the Lord.
4 And Abel also presented [an offering] – some of the firstborn of his flock and their fat portions. The Lord had regard for Abel and his offering,
5 but He did not have regard for Cain and his offering. Cain was furious, and he was downcast.
6 Then the Lord said to Cain, "Why are you furious? And why are you downcast?
7 If you do right, won't you be accepted? But if you do not do right, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must master it."
8 Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let's go out to the field." And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.
— Genesis 4:1–8 (Holman Christian Standard Bible)"

So, let me get this straight. God is only happy with the firstborn sacrfices of Abel's flock - making Cain feel rejected, wanting approval from the big daddy. So God gives Cain a pep talk, tells him to do right to feel accepted (apparently sacrificing firstborns) to avoid the "sin" crouching at his door and gunning for him, so Cain then goes out and kills his brother, who is a firstborn of Adam and Eve. And then of course he feels horribly afterwards....

"According to Genesis 4:1–16, Cain treacherously murdered his brother Abel, lied about the murder to God, and as a result was cursed and marked for life.[18] With the earth left cursed to drink Abel's blood, Cain was no longer able to farm the land.[19] Exegesis of the Hebrew narrative has Cain punished as a "fugitive and wanderer".[20] Exegesis of the Septuagint's narrative, "groaning and shaking upon the earth" has Cain suffering from body tremors.[21] Interpretations extend Cain's curse to his descendants, where they all died in the Great Deluge as retribution for the loss of Abel's potential offspring.[22] Cain's curse involves receiving a mark from God, commonly referred to as the mark of Cain. This mark serves as God's promise to Cain for divine protection from premature death, with the stated purpose to prevent anyone from killing him. It is not known what the mark is, but it is assumed that the mark is visible.[23]"

So, yeah. This is, to me, so obviously about the manipulation of human minds and emotions via mind control and psychotronics to commit atrocious acts, including blood sacrifice and murder, which are then turned against the mind controlled perpetrators and used as emotional blackmail so that they devolve into depravity and self loathing.

[Baby Steps]

For all any of us know, the Garabandal warning was a psyop.
ETs have had the technology to stage such events for a very long time, and for that to be used as evidence of anything on a conspiracy theory forum is really kind of ludicrous.
Much less something that supports the role of the Vatican, home to Satanic rituals and paedophilia for God only knows how long...

I absolutely agree and suspect that the ET's have been using psychotronics for thousands of years to manipulate and control our minds (creating "mental illness" for instance) in order to subjugate and enslave us. So, yeah. Right on onawah.

http://i.imgur.com/JmvQdz2.jpg

There are congruent prophecies about this event in various traditions. Tod & Nora alluded to the secret space program in this connection.

[Hervé]

[...]
As for taking off where Wikileaks left off - Wiki has been a direct messaging source for Russian intelligence. Their mission was to destroy Hilary by any means necessary. That s not over and no, I am not her fan at all. Their mission of confusing and disseminating information of this kind is not over, clearly. and btw the Russian mob is at the top of human trafficking gangs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html

Well, the WaPo devotees, incriminating Russia and Putin for all mishaps and undue influence, may be right:

Dear President Putin (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/11/28/dear-president-putin/)

By Paul Craig Roberts November 28, 2016 (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/11/28/)

Valdimir Putin
President of Russia
Moscow
28 November 2016

Dear President Putin,

Now that CIA agent Craig Timberg posing as a Washington Post reporter has blown my cover and exposed me as a Russian agent, I was wondering if I might ask you for a Russian passport and a bit of diplomatic cover, perhaps assistant press officer at the Russian embassy in Washington, until I can get out of the country. I saw that you gave a passport to Steven Seagal, so I am hopeful that being a Russian agent is as important as teaching martial arts to Russians.

I don’t know what the pay scale for Russian agents is, but whatever I have coming to me please deposit in a Russian bank. The Swiss banks are no longer useful as the Swiss government allowed Washington to write its banking laws. Perhaps also you could line me up with a publisher for my memoirs—“My Life As A Putin Stooge.”

We need to get on with this ASAP as the Washington Post has the FBI on my tail. They will be very angry at me for deceiving them all those years when I held top secret and higher security clearances while I was a Russian agent. Any day now the Washington Post might discover that my fellow KGB agent Ronald Reagan and I cut taxes on the rich in order to make capitalism so oppressive that the American people would rise up and overthrow it. Boy did we fool the left-wing!

I regret that the Washington Post got wise to me being a Russian agent, but it wasn’t my fault. I think the leak came from one of those Atlanticist Integrationists you are stuck with in your government. Better check up on it as 200 of the Russian financed websites have already been exposed.

Better have someone bring me the passport and diplomatic appointment. I would be nabbed by TSA if I fly to Washington to collect the documents. A diplomatic appointment is better than asylum, because Washington, like the old Soviet Union, doesn’t recognize political asylum. Just ask Julian Assange.

Don’t let the Atlanticist Integrationists convince you that my exposure as a Russian agent is just a CIA ruse to plant an agent on you. My criticism of Washington’s policy of raising tensions between nuclear powers and support of your policy of reducing tensions is not spy cover. I really do prefer that the world not be blown up in thermo-nuclear war. This is a suspect view in the US, but I hope it is an acceptable one in Russia.

Looking forward to that passport.

Paul Craig Roberts

[ThePythonicCow]

[...]
As for taking off where Wikileaks left off - Wiki has been a direct messaging source for Russian intelligence. Their mission was to destroy Hilary by any means necessary. That s not over and no, I am not her fan at all. Their mission of confusing and disseminating information of this kind is not over, clearly. and btw the Russian mob is at the top of human trafficking gangs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html

Well, the WaPo devotees, incriminating Russia and Putin for all mishaps and undue influence, may be right:

Dear President Putin (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/11/28/dear-president-putin/)

By Paul Craig Roberts November 28, 2016 (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/11/28/)

Valdimir Putin
President of Russia
Moscow
28 November 2016

Dear President Putin,

Now that CIA agent Craig Timberg posing as a Washington Post reporter has blown my cover and exposed me as a Russian agent,

...
Looking forward to that passport.

Paul Craig Roberts

I presume that you are speaking "tongue in cheek", Hervé, as I am sure Paul Craig Roberts was :).

[Hervé]

[...]
I presume that you are speaking "tongue in cheek", Hervé, as I am sure Paul Craig Roberts was :).
Yes, apologies to the readers... I just went through a severe bout of "tongue-in-cheek-itis" similar to the one Paul Craig Roberts seems to have experienced as well.
:focus:

[Ewan]

It serves a purpose sometimes. IMO there was no need to apologise. :shrug:

Steve Hughes on political correctness


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs

Threads are organic, or should be, if a post prompts a related thought why shouldn't one share it - it may be beneficial to link ideas?

Anyway, in order to conform I hereby end my post with a safety :focus:

[Basho]

Hilarious vid Ewan, thank you for sharing! Nothing better than a good laugh amongst friends to deflate the bubble of tension.

Back to topic, a great interview with Jay Weidner on TheHighersideChats

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[ThePythonicCow]

Hilarious vid Ewan, thank you for sharing! Nothing better than a good laugh amongst friends to deflate the bubble of tension.

Back to topic, a great interview with Jay Weidner on TheHighersideChats
As can be seen here (https://conspiracychannel.net/jay-weidner-archon-crimes-mysteries-of-mt-shasta-the-brotherhood-of-saturn/), this video is from October 4, 2014, when the Georgia Guidestone mysteries were a hot topic.

Yes - Jay Weidner is good!

[Curious77]

A child can pretty much be told anything -- and let's remember that this also includes babies -- mere babies being assaulted. Read something of the case in Australia.
http://childabuserecovery.com/nicole-kidmans-father-dies-amid-pedophile-child-murder-ring-allegations/




The Ninth Circle was also said to have well organized and secretive human hunting parties that included pedophilia. Privately owned forest groves were believed used in the US, Canada, France and Holland. It appeared children and teens were obtained by the criminal drug syndicate Octopus, which was believed connected to the Vatican. The kidnapped children and teens were said to be stripped naked, raped, hunted down and killed.

This article is dedicated to victims of the Vatican and mafia-run global elite Ninth Circle Satanic Child Sacrifice Cult, and to the memory of over 50,800 missing children, some of whom rest in 34 mainly Catholic-owned unmarked mass grave sites – that have been refused excavation – across Canada, Ireland and Spain. The child perpetrators continue to live lives free of responsibility for their ongoing crimes. Our prayers are with these innocents, and should be for ourselves if we allow this Child Holocaust by our global leaders to continue.


While I imagine every instinct within the child as it grows up is saying to them that this is abnormal behavior,
there seems to be an effort to convince them that this is the way of our societies. For instance, one performer
who appears at Comet Pizza -- there's video and I will try to get back with a link -- makes "jokes" that suggest
sexual feelings by adults for young children. These get-togethers begin about 10 in the evening and families
attend with their children. Seems a way to reinforce in the child's mind that this is OK.
Look up "Majectic Ape" - there are a lot of videos on this individual.

Think we should also remember that the CIA via MKULTRA/Monarch was very involved in this kind of violence,
torture and sexual abuse for the purposes of mind control.

Which is why I continue to wonder (since there is so much repeat abuse in pedophilia "families")
whether how many of these people might have been entered into these programs as young children themselves.
And how many of them may be operating at times from a primary personality, but with multiple personalities?

[Chester]

Attacks are what public forums such as Project Avalon are for apparently.

The fulfillment of Garabandal could not come soon enough...you are welcome to fight amongst yourselves. The request to delete our account from the forum has been submitted.


Hi TODD & NORA.

I just want you to know that I appreciated your posts and miss your presence on PA very, very much. What I have learned at PA (and other forums that cover such a broad spectrum of subjects) is that sometimes I feel that some of the folks here say some of the goofiest things. I also imagine that some of the things I write appear pretty goofy to others. But also what I have learned is that I not only overall enjoy it here (by far the best forum of its kind on the net) but I feel a benefit when I participate here and that is because of folks like you and several other members.

I have gotten over that the forum is filled with folks who have incredible imaginations. I also appreciate many of the folks here who have... incredible imaginations because in some cases their wild theories actually get me to think. And sometimes they actually seem to predict with interesting accuracy. Are they like the broken clock? Right twice a day? or did they see something I wasn't able to see or didn't want to see? Anyways, I have accepted that the forum, by its very nature, attracts some very, very out of the box thinkers, some of which actually completely believe in a world I won't even allow into my own world view and its just the way it is. Most of the folks here haven't had experiences with real world movers and shakers, especially some of the powerful and fringe insiders like you have. I can accept that without that actual real world experience, folks will have imaginations that you and others who have real world experience would think are simply nuts.

Please consider doing what I have tried real hard to do... don't let it get to you. This forum is better when TODD & NORA are active.

Kind Regards
Sam

[Bob]

Most of the folks here haven't had experiences with real world movers and shakers, especially some of the powerful and fringe insiders like you have. I can accept that without that actual real world experience, folks will have imaginations that you and others who have real world experience would think are simply nuts.

Please consider doing what I have tried real hard to do... don't let it get to you. This forum is better when TODD & NORA are active.

Sam, that is succinct, and accurate in my humble opinion.. Even though there are others that don't like my opinion, I feel like you, that there are folks who haven't connected with the movers and shakers world, and do live in a world which they feel works for them. That is fine, and more power to them.

The points happen when others attack others and not discuss IDEAS.. A forum is about ideas, and all of us have our right to state our ideas. When we are coerced into complying with status quo or following perpetual narcissistic viewpoints and badgered afterwards, the forum member thinks quite rightly, that open-ness in being able to express one's view is biased for the select few.

Todd and Nora are of the highest calibre. I have known them since the early 1990's and have seen the risks they took to be able to bring us inside information from a viewpoint that nobody would easily see otherwise. We have been blessed for the two to be here, and when they share, they share their opinions as rightly we all should be able to do.

I hope Todd and Nora would consider a return, but Todd has made it clear, he won't stand for being assaulted or demeaned for stating his opinion. We all have passion. We should allow each passion to be stated.

Thanks Sam, your are brilliant !

Bob

[araucaria]

Bob and Sam, thank you for these posts. Bob is claiming to give 25-year first-hand testimony witnessing to the character of Todd and Nora, which for me is hard fact. I don’t know Bob personally myself, and being fro very different walks of life in so many ways, this is not likely to happen unless we have an Avalon conference. But we know each other well enough through the forum that the outcome is a foregone conclusion. This is what the forum is best at.

There are still things we can be sure about. It’s what we call grounding. Grounding (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthing_system)is a term used by electricians to describe how they overcome the dangers of short-circuits when passing electric currents through machinery with metal parts. It doesn’t matter whether you say the machine has developed a fault or the human operator has made a mistake: you have a mechanical tool serving a valuable purpose for as long as the human operator is protected. A machine can kill a single human but fades into insignificance when grounded with the entire Earth. Mortal danger could only come were the machine itself to reach a comparable size to the Earth itself. Maybe we are headed in that direction, but we are never going to reach that point unless the grounding device is totally removed. Given that the Earth is finite, an ‘Earth machine’ could only grow to the size of the Earth MINUS the grounding device. This is of course contagious, because when things hotten up, the next step is to ground the system in something still bigger while the machine itself also grows out into space.

Does the process ever stop? Not as long as it works, and as long as the grounding connection is maintained as an integral part of the machinery. What we are seeing is a dangerous combination of signs of imminent mechanical failure causing vibrations that are loosening the grounding connections. You can of course work a machine with no earthing at all, but people get hurt. You can of course live on the Earth with no machine at all, but very little gets done. What we are discovering is that there is ultimately hardly any potential difference at all (but what there is supremely significant (https://press.cern/backgrounders/matterantimatter-asymmetry)). What this means is that ultimately both the machinery and the grounding mechanism are virtually all that is, and therefore two descriptions of the same thing. You might call it a ‘grounding machine’. Government is designed to ensure the safety of humanity, but clearly needs some serious repairs and upgrading; alternative thinking is designed to achieve the same end, and could provide such repairs and upgrading were it not also in need of them itself. Where does it find them? You got it. Until this finally meshes, what you have is a ‘grounding machine’ cutting through grounding conductors.

How will it finally mesh? Well, a machine is something 3D solid, material, with interconnected parts, which is what a mesh is (‘mesh’, formerly ‘mash’, is likely cognate with ‘machine’... and ‘mishmash’). It is thoroughly real. And so is the machinery of government: real people interacting. Any system breakdown is ultimately caused by some sort of disconnect (loose wire, broken gear....), form of unreality or reduced reality – a vacuum or thin air getting in the way, aka separation. See here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65693-Letter-to-Bright-Garlick&p=762369&viewfull=1#post762369)and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76790-How-Come-Gravity-Doesn-t-Give-A-Hoot-About-Weight&p=899356&viewfull=1#post899356).
Alternatively, a short-circuit makes a connection where none is supposed to occur by removing insulation between two points. Insulation is not separation: it is connection with zero flow. Insulation is as real as the rest.

In this reality check, you will find that there is a good deal of reality even in the corridors of power, even though the machinery is full of miswiring and short-circuits. And that means good people operating in places where things are very bad. Isn’t that precisely what we are all doing? http://projectavalon.net/forum4/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=875445

Edit to add: examples of political translations:
Insulation = avoidance of conflict of interest
Antonym of insulation: short-circuit = conflict of interest, individual case of cronyism (systemically = secret societies); a crucial component is taken out of the loop (made a puppet)

[Chester]

There are still things we can be sure about. It’s what we call grounding.

wow araucaria, what a post. I wanted to quote the whole thing but I extracted what I believe is the very most important part of the post.

In addition, I would like (once again) to point to my New Year's prediction (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95211-Your-2017-Predictions...-please&p=1124216#post1124216) which is also my number one hope and desire.


I predict that more and more PA members will establish (or maintain) at least one foot on the ground which I believe will raise the level of overall quality generated by the posts of the Project Avalon membership.

[Innocent Warrior]

Attacks are what public forums such as Project Avalon are for apparently.

The fulfillment of Garabandal could not come soon enough...you are welcome to fight amongst yourselves. The request to delete our account from the forum has been submitted.


Hi TODD & NORA.

I just want you to know that I appreciated your posts and miss your presence on PA very, very much. What I have learned at PA (and other forums that cover such a broad spectrum of subjects) is that sometimes I feel that some of the folks here say some of the goofiest things. I also imagine that some of the things I write appear pretty goofy to others. But also what I have learned is that I not only overall enjoy it here (by far the best forum of its kind on the net) but I feel a benefit when I participate here and that is because of folks like you and several other members.

I have gotten over that the forum is filled with folks who have incredible imaginations. I also appreciate many of the folks here who have... incredible imaginations because in some cases their wild theories actually get me to think. And sometimes they actually seem to predict with interesting accuracy. Are they like the broken clock? Right twice a day? or did they see something I wasn't able to see or didn't want to see? Anyways, I have accepted that the forum, by its very nature, attracts some very, very out of the box thinkers, some of which actually completely believe in a world I won't even allow into my own world view and its just the way it is. Most of the folks here haven't had experiences with real world movers and shakers, especially some of the powerful and fringe insiders like you have. I can accept that without that actual real world experience, folks will have imaginations that you and others who have real world experience would think are simply nuts.

Please consider doing what I have tried real hard to do... don't let it get to you. This forum is better when TODD & NORA are active.

Kind Regards
Sam

Sam, I'm genuinely confused right now, will you please help me understand? Is this about Bsbray's post? Todd and Nora told everyone on that Kanye thread to "wake the f*ck up" concerning Pizzagate. I was taken back by their tone but respect their view but was conflicted at the same time. On one hand there was this mountain of circumstantial evidence supporting Pizzagate, while on the other hand there was Todd and Nora, members who I took to be better informed, hence must have had a solid reason for their post. So I thought, well OK, they've been able to dismiss all the Pizzagate information, I'll ask them to go through it and show us what they see and then I did that in my reply to their post.

Then Bsbray posted that highly confrontational post but given that we'd all just been told to wake the eff up by T & N I thought his post was fair enough, given the circumstances, otherwise I'd consider that post more appropriate to be sent by private message. I was aware of Bsbray's issue with T & N and was glad the air would be cleared, one way or the other. I'm an unimportant person, I've never rubbed shoulders with the "movers and shakers", I was interested in what T & N had to say.

Perhaps you or Bob can explain to us how that works? How does one fight for truth and freedom while being connected to people the truthers don't trust? This was the heart of Bsbray's question, at least in my view, it's a fair question because, as you pointed out, we wouldn't know. I don't even know if Bsbray's post was completely accurate and was hoping T & N would clear that up too, or not, they would have been quite within their right to tell Bsbray it's none of his business. But instead - nothing, they didn't even seem to want to explain to us why they were so adamant we were being used and needed to wake up and apparently continued with that attitude until they left.

How did this end up being about people's imagination, while T & N's attitude goes unmentioned? I think Avalon is better with T & N too btw, I just don't think your assessment of the situation is a balanced assessment but I may have missed something, I don't keep up with the forum like I used to, please correct me if I have missed something.

[onawah]

Maybe I missed something that is on the thread that this one is split off from, but did bsray ever give any details about why he posted the things he did about Todd and Nora's background, connections to the Clintons, etc. and how he knew that?
(Was it from information that Todd and Nora themselves had posted?)
That seemed to be a very vital part of the discussion that didn't really get discussed.
If they did have those kinds of connections, then it seems to me that there was good reason to question their information, and their reasons for quitting would probably have been about far more than simply being confronted.

[Innocent Warrior]

Onawah, no, it's just what's there on the Kanye thread. I don't really care either and it wouldn't be proper of us to go down that path when T & N can't speak for themselves anyway.

T & N made it clear with the folks on this thread why they left, they felt attacked.

I was only interested in what I asked Sam.

* * *

Sam, if you intended on replying to me, don't worry about it, I'm not so confused after some reflection. Just differing opinions I think, all good.

[lilac]

:focus::focus: A recent interview with Jay: /watch?v=EQghtBI6eRwEQghtBI6eRw

[onawah]

I went back to find the post by bsbray I was referring to (in post #107) and it's here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94670-Kanye-West-hospitalized-under-psychiatric-evaluation&p=1116774&viewfull=1#post1116774
That post from bsbray, in my estimation, was the one that prompted Todd to unsubscribe from Avalon, and to me, it seemed likely that was because they (or at least Todd) did not want to address what bsbray wrote about their connections to the Clintons.
I'm curious as to why that was not discussed further, proven or disproven, etc.
I'm not saying that I think Todd and Nora were in any way complicit in Clinton crimes; I have no opinion on that at all.
But I'm just curious as to why those connections, if bsbray was right about that, weren't brought more into the discussion, because it seemed like a very important focal point that was ignored. (I will PM bsbray and inquire as to that. )
That post from bsbray reads as follows:


I heard people today, two young kids about 18 years old, talking in a cafe about how they were going to go steal Trump signs out of somebody's yard but were afraid there were security cameras. I politely interrupted their conversation and told them to Google a man named Jimmy Savile. And a man named Mark Thompson, head of BBC who in the aftermath of the Savile scandal was quietly moved to become CEO of the New York Times. I told them about Wikileaks. I told them about 400,000 missing children in the United States alone, every single year. Long story short I left them informed.

It was a guy and a girl. You know what the girl said to me?

She said that someone in her family had lost custody of his child to the state social services. He tried to get visitations and suddenly no one could find the child in the system anymore.


Let me tell you people something. This is a time for some real soul-searching. This is beyond politics. This is beyond right and left. This is a choice between law and order, or chaos. This is a choice between having your kids stolen from you in the middle of the night and raped and murdered by people who are above the law, or else holding everyone accountable.

I realize a lot of sick people are in very powerful positions, and a lot of good people at heart have been corrupted. Some people though, are beyond redemption.

Todd and Nora, let's do some soul searching. The data is out there and people know how to find me on Skype. The moderators here and Bill Ryan himself know that I can be a very fair and reasonable person. Let's make this a true discussion forum and have full disclosure. Let's be clear about how Nora worked for the CIA director under Bill Clinton, James Woolsey Jr. Let's talk about how James Woosley spoke personally at your wedding. Let's talk about how close you guys are to the Clinton family and what you really represent here on this forum.

I'm not giving any last names or personal information here out of respect for you and the opportunity for you to give us full transparency. I know you two have been respected members here for a long time but from the "thanks" I'm seeing on your posts, not even the staff here seem to have your back much anymore.

I know Innocent Warrior and she is a great person, a truly good soul, as all of the moderators I have personally spoken to from PA are good people. None of us are perfect and we can all be suckered into some bad stuff. But there is always time for redemption and forgiveness.

But the time for games is over.

It is time for some soul searching people. Whatever higher power you believe in, or don't believe in, I pray that you come out of this standing on the right side of history. No matter what is in your past, you still have the choice to do the right thing. If not, when it all hits the fan, if you're not standing on the right side of things, the information is out there and heads will roll. I have been in contact with local officials. We are retaking our country from some sick, sick bastards.

Maybe best to let sleeping dogs lie, but in the case of Pizzagate, I don't think that's going to go away, nor should it, and things that have developed in the past couple of weeks seem to bear that out. It will be interesting to see if Assange has anything to say about it tomorrow on Redditt.

[Ewan]

Here is a T&N post, with bolded text that really stood out to me at the time of reading.



post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15915-Very-Disturbing-Jay-Weidner-Sacred-Mysteries-video--removed-&p=1116350&viewfull=1#post1116350)

Onawah, "supportive of the public's attempts to get involved and help"....do you get involved in police investigations? does it help to promote conspiracies based on doctored emails and photos that have no relationships? Remember when witches were burned at the stake? That was the "public" doing its job to stop the bad women. This is the same. I have never publicly had to defend anyone against false accusations but in this situation I have been gobsmacked.

Now you want to call me out? Are you a detective? You want the public to do something? You realize that the Police AND the FBI have investigated and found that this is a manipulated political hate crime directed at James. This is about pizza, not babies. That video clip somebody posted of a young woman "putting it all together" ...if that's your proof, my god, have mercy on your soul. Reality check: people do talk about "doing pizza" because it is a meeting point for many of us to yes, "eat pizza and hang out". James is an incredible chef. He has 2 restaurants next to each other and there is a great book store. the whole block is a place where people come together and the language has nothing to do with babies being eaten.

As for taking off where Wikileaks left off - Wiki has been a direct messaging source for Russian intelligence. Their mission was to destroy Hilary by any means necessary. That s not over and no, I am not her fan at all. Their mission of confusing and disseminating information of this kind is not over, clearly. and btw the Russian mob is at the top of human trafficking gangs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...8fe_story.html


The way they twice refer to 'James' gives the impression they actually know him. Which kind of confirms bsbray's comments. Claiming Wikileaks is a channel for Russian misinformation/propaganda. Was that what they believed or wanted us to believe? A verifiable fact or opinion?

To then leave the forum in an emotional outburst does nothing to help their case.
Why not stay and rationally discuss everything they knew to be true?

(Which would not make it true of course; the world is chock full of people believing things that are not true, including the majority of us in one way or another).

[Basho]

:focus::focus: A recent interview with Jay: /watch?v=EQghtBI6eRwEQghtBI6eRw

Thanks for this but it is an old interview. The trend on YouTube to post old videos & pass them off as new is pretty annoying. Really enjoy listening to Jay Weidner. I think his latest talk is the one with Kerry Cassidy, which is excellent too.

[DNA]

The way they twice refer to 'James' gives the impression they actually know him. Which kind of confirms bsbray's comments. Claiming Wikileaks is a channel for Russian misinformation/propaganda. Was that what they believed or wanted us to believe? A verifiable fact or opinion?

To then leave the forum in an emotional outburst does nothing to help their case.
Why not stay and rationally discuss everything they knew to be true?

(Which would not make it true of course; the world is chock full of people believing things that are not true, including the majority of us in one way or another).


I have an aunt, this aunt was married to a man who was molesting my aunt's children from another marriage.
I was probably 10 when my mother confronted her sister over the matter.
The two had a falling out and talked very little for the next 34 years. Everyone in my family knew this was happening, except my aunt. After 30 years my aunt's oldest daughter came forward and made the accusation that forced my aunt to deal with the situation she had been in denial about her whole life.
My point here is that sometimes the folks who are closest to perpetrators of these kinds of horrendous acts are many times the last folks to accept the evidence that is presented before them.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Here is a T&N post, with bolded text that really stood out to me at the time of reading.

[...]

The way they twice refer to 'James' gives the impression they actually know him. Which kind of confirms bsbray's comments.

Good catch Ewan. And what I said about them being close to the CIA director under Clinton is not speculation, so let's be clear about that.

This is one of the websites I was referring to.


D.C. WEDDING TO REMEMBER

By PageSix.com Staff

September 19, 2007 | 9:00am

WHEN Army Major Todd Hathaway recently married screenwriter/environmentalist Nora Maccoby at the stuffy Cosmos Club in Georgetown, the ceremony was as unlikely as their union. The Episcopalian-Buddhist rite was performed by a Jungian analyst with bell-ringing, a reading from Native American visionary Rolling Thunder, and vows to “love, honor, and listen to.” The couple met through the Energy Consensus Group, created in 2005 after a Christmas party where Maccoby challenged Donald Rumsfeld to recognize America’s energy policy as a national security issue. The bride and groom are proud parents of 6-week-old William Walker Hathaway. At lunch after the wedding, top solar energy strategist Scott “Sundoggie” Sklar listened as James Woolsey, Bill Clinton‘s former CIA chief, told of test-driving the Tesla Roadster (an electric vehicle that goes 0-60 in 3.9 seconds) and dusting a teenager in a Corvette. Also at the nuptials were “Solar Siren” Jodie Roussell, head of the American Council on Renewable Energy, who was deep in conversation with screenwriter James Scott Linville, just back from the Spanish set of “Garden of Eden.”

http://pagesix.com/2007/09/19/d-c-wedding-to-remember/

I have another link somewhere else about Nora's involvement in various things that they also talked about here on the forum, involving alternative energy stuff and I think some kind of economic position relating to Asian nations. I haven't had the time to dig into any of it in detail but if I did, based on the info that's been pouring out lately, a lot of dots could probably get linked up pretty fast. A lot of this stuff has to do with graft and misdirecting funds, blackmail and similar things.

I know that Simon Parkes was eventually exposed here as, what I think Bill Ryan himself termed a "sexual predator." I certainly hope these two were not personal friends of Mr. Alefantis because that would deeply disturb me much more than Mr. Parkes ever did. James Alefantis is not "just a pizza shop owner," because you don't just own a pizza shop in DC and suddenly meet personally with President Obama numerous times, visit the White House hundreds of times, get ranked as one of the most influential people in all of Washington DC and all the rest. Something stinks really really bad about all of this and the FBI is still actively investigating him. It's just been on the down-low and will continue to be on the down-low until probably about 9 days from now.

[lilac]

Sprinking a little more Jay Weidner in the mix.... definitely from today iDB5jCJYEu8

[ALLARON]

I went back to find the post by bsbray I was referring to (in post #107) and it's here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94670-Kanye-West-hospitalized-under-psychiatric-evaluation&p=1116774&viewfull=1#post1116774
That post from bsbray, in my estimation, was the one that prompted Todd to unsubscribe from Avalon, and to me, it seemed likely that was because they (or at least Todd) did not want to address what bsbray wrote about their connections to the Clintons.
I'm curious as to why that was not discussed further, proven or disproven, etc.
I'm not saying that I think Todd and Nora were in any way complicit in Clinton crimes; I have no opinion on that at all.
But I'm just curious as to why those connections, if bsbray was right about that, weren't brought more into the discussion, because it seemed like a very important focal point that was ignored. (I will PM bsbray and inquire as to that. )
That post from bsbray reads as follows:


I heard people today, two young kids about 18 years old, talking in a cafe about how they were going to go steal Trump signs out of somebody's yard but were afraid there were security cameras. I politely interrupted their conversation and told them to Google a man named Jimmy Savile. And a man named Mark Thompson, head of BBC who in the aftermath of the Savile scandal was quietly moved to become CEO of the New York Times. I told them about Wikileaks. I told them about 400,000 missing children in the United States alone, every single year. Long story short I left them informed.

It was a guy and a girl. You know what the girl said to me?

She said that someone in her family had lost custody of his child to the state social services. He tried to get visitations and suddenly no one could find the child in the system anymore.


Let me tell you people something. This is a time for some real soul-searching. This is beyond politics. This is beyond right and left. This is a choice between law and order, or chaos. This is a choice between having your kids stolen from you in the middle of the night and raped and murdered by people who are above the law, or else holding everyone accountable.

I realize a lot of sick people are in very powerful positions, and a lot of good people at heart have been corrupted. Some people though, are beyond redemption.

Todd and Nora, let's do some soul searching. The data is out there and people know how to find me on Skype. The moderators here and Bill Ryan himself know that I can be a very fair and reasonable person. Let's make this a true discussion forum and have full disclosure. Let's be clear about how Nora worked for the CIA director under Bill Clinton, James Woolsey Jr. Let's talk about how James Woosley spoke personally at your wedding. Let's talk about how close you guys are to the Clinton family and what you really represent here on this forum.

I'm not giving any last names or personal information here out of respect for you and the opportunity for you to give us full transparency. I know you two have been respected members here for a long time but from the "thanks" I'm seeing on your posts, not even the staff here seem to have your back much anymore.

I know Innocent Warrior and she is a great person, a truly good soul, as all of the moderators I have personally spoken to from PA are good people. None of us are perfect and we can all be suckered into some bad stuff. But there is always time for redemption and forgiveness.

But the time for games is over.

It is time for some soul searching people. Whatever higher power you believe in, or don't believe in, I pray that you come out of this standing on the right side of history. No matter what is in your past, you still have the choice to do the right thing. If not, when it all hits the fan, if you're not standing on the right side of things, the information is out there and heads will roll. I have been in contact with local officials. We are retaking our country from some sick, sick bastards.

Maybe best to let sleeping dogs lie, but in the case of Pizzagate, I don't think that's going to go away, nor should it, and things that have developed in the past couple of weeks seem to bear that out. It will be interesting to see if Assange has anything to say about it tomorrow on Redditt.

Hey guys,

It's funny how pizzagate is a black hole of fantasist connections. Here are some facts:

-Todd and Nora have no relationship with the Clintons, have never met them, voted for them or worked for either of them.

- Nora has never worked for Jim Woolsey (who was fired by the Clintons as CIA director btw). Nora and Jim both helped lead The Energy Conversation at Department of Defense and it has been in the fight for clean energy that they are friends and he was at her wedding. Nora started a bipartisan energy literacy initiative in 2004 and has worked for the last 15 years to help transition the USA and the world to clean energy. The Energy Conversation had 29 government agencies working together collaboratively. For this reason, Nora knows many many people in DC. She was targeted by the oil cartel in 2006 for helping to get renewable energy on a par with oil. She has worked to create partnerships and alliances of people from all sides of the aisle.

- Nora is also a screenwriter- filmmaker and wrote BONGWATER and BUFFALO SOLDIERS. She is also a painter. www.noramaccoby.com

- Nora left the Project Avalon because of personal threats and a major hack that wiped out her computer.