Look Up At The Sky

[Ahkenaten]

March 9, 2011

Look up at the sky. The moon, in crescent phase, is clear for everyone to see. Whereas normally a crescent moon in any phase presents roughly vertically with the illuminated crescent running from celestial north to south and the shadow on the opposite side, tonight anyone observing the moon can see that the crescent is along the bottom of the sphere with the shadow side to the top. This runs contrary to the US Navy's projection as to what the moon SHOULD look like tonight:


http://aa.usno.navy.mil/idltemp/current_moon.php

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/idtemp/current_moon.php

Here is a photo of what the moon ACTUALLY looks like tonight:


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5054/5512388311_3c3aa8bf2f.jpg

Here is a chart of what the moon is SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE in its phases


http://stardate.org/nightsky/moon

WTF?

What is going on with the moon?

[chelmostef]

Have you read what James C Horak has said about the moon being fiddled with by TPTWere... I have not read in depth about this all I know is he was saying someone has fiddled with it... I will try and find a link for you..

Update- Here is the link- http://emvsinfo.blogspot.com/2010/11/earth-changes-and-moon.html

[Ahkenaten]

OK, although this is pretty basic stuff here are some more links to other moon info showing why the phases of the moon appear as they do to us here on earth......

More links to pictures of how the moon is SUPPOSED to look as it goes through its phases as well as diagrams illustrating why the phases show up the way they do

http://www.usno.navy.mil/USNO/astronomical-applications/images_aa/Moon_phases.jpg


Note at this link there is an animated picture of the revolving moon going through its phases......note that NOWHERE DOES THE MOON appear with the crescent running along the bottom as it did tonight..............................

http://207.73.100.22/lms/planetarium/guide/moon.html#causes%20of%20phases


This link shows why the moon looks the way it does at different phases because of its relationship to the earth AND the Sun

http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moonphase/


WHY DOES THE MOON CRESCENT RUN ALONG THE BOTTOM EDGE OF THE SPHERE INSTEAD OF TO THE RIGHT OR LEFT AS IS NORMAL? WHAT DOES THIS MEAN CONCERNING THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE MOON IN ROTATION AROUND THE EARTH, THE ANGLE OF THE EARTH'S AXIS, AND THE RELATIONSHIP OF BOTH TO THE SUN?

[Gajanana]

yeah noticed that last night thru a hole in the cloud... didnt manage to get a foto though. Tonight should be clearer here, so its camera at the ready. nice post friend :happy:

[sllim11]

i was just noticing this last night and the night before also. i said to my friend "doesn't the moon look weird? i don't think i've ever seen it with the cresent on the bottom." unfortunately, i have no answers. i just wanted to confirm seeing this as well. what does it mean!?!?!?

strange days indeed. (or nights in this case)

[Ahkenaten]

OK, so I would like to hear from any of our Forum members who can postulate why it would be that the moon in crescent phase would appear along the bottom edge of the sphere? Could that mean that the earth's relationship with the moon, i.e. our axis with respect to the moon's orbit around the planet, has shifted? I can't think of another logical explanation for the crescent moving so far in a clockwise direction south to the bottom of the sphere if you look at the various diagrams, but I am not an astronomer. Help me out here guys and gals!!

[Gajanana]

to be perfectly honest, were talking about the moon (pretty large piece of of sky-at-night) looking totally different than ever before, being lit from a totally wrong angle and it seems to be ignored by just about everyone. Its completey ****ed up! :eek:
I'd love to hear some theories - G

[chelmostef]

Could it be that these crazed lunatics have discovered, or were told about, one or both of the control systems for these engines and have not been able to resist the temptation to experiment, at the expense of the lives of nearly 7 billion people, with this mind numbingly advanced technology of gargantuan proportions when compared to current human understandings of physics.

Could it be that they have completely screwed up the gravity wave that holds the moon in a stable orbit with the Earth and have unwittingly or knowingly set off a chain reaction deep within the Earth’s core that could have dire consequences for the whole planet if not corrected immediately?

Could it also be that that was the plan from the onset……..?

http://emvsinfo.blogspot.com/2010/11/earth-changes-and-moon.html

Somthing to think about and ponder for me...

[Jendayi]

OK, so I would like to hear from any of our Forum members who can postulate why it would be that the moon in crescent phase would appear along the bottom edge of the sphere? Could that mean that the earth's relationship with the moon, i.e. our axis with respect to the moon's orbit around the planet, has shifted? I can't think of another logical explanation for the crescent moving so far in a clockwise direction south to the bottom of the sphere if you look at the various diagrams, but I am not an astronomer. Help me out here guys and gals!!

it is my firm belief that you allready answered your question yourself...
thank you for posting this..
another observation of mine is that sunlight has changed color or hue.. during the day it seems whiter to me.. less yellow..

[Ahkenaten]

Gajanana - Uh, YEAH!! Real Different!! Now although I respect that there could be many theories about who did what to make this happen, etc. I would prefer frankly to begin with a simple astronomical explanation as to what this different view of the moon means in terms of basic celestial mechanics right here in our solar neighborhood!! We can observe that the crescent shape itself is approximately what it is supposed to be (i.e. the stage the moon is at in its cycle) it is the LOCATION OF THE CRESCENT ON THE SPHERE THAT IS ALL WRONG. Inasmuch as the illuminated section is the area upon which the sun is shining - from the perspective of us here on earth, in the past, the sun's rays (traveling in a straight line at the speed of light from the sun) were coming either from the right or left depending upon which phase the moon was in, i.e. MOON<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<SUN, or SUN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MOON.

Now, it would appear that the sunlight is coming instead of from the left or right ------------it is coming from the top or the bottom! (I am not sure about the celestial directions)

This effect would not be caused by a shift in the rotation of the moon because irrespective of the angle of the moon's rotation, the shadow effect from the sun would remain the same on the surface of the globe from our perspective on earth.

My tentative conclusion is that the only explanation for this radical change in the appearance of the crescent moon MUST be related to either a change in the moon's rotational path around the earth OR a shift in the earth's axis with respect to the moon's rotational path around the earth, changing our view of the moon and its phases.

But I am not an astronomer.

[RAKMEiSTER]

del: ill observ some more:modes operandus personas.

[Fractalius]

http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/earthshine.jpg
Photo from article dated 2009 (http://www.universetoday.com/28716/moon-reveals-new-way-to-find-oceans-land-on-other-earths/)

I searched crescent moon in google images, and there was a reasonable amount of images with the crescent at the bottom.
It does seem that many web sites will describe moon phases as a side to side thing.
This is a good animation of the common visual description of phases - here. (http://www.rkm.com.au/animations/animation-moon.html)


Eventually I found this (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090129164118AAVAbZR) as an explanation

Add for arken below, there are 3 links in this post. I have seen the moon like this before myself.
Here's another link.. Google Images (http://www.google.co.nz/images?hl=en&safe=off&biw=1074&bih=706&gbv=2&tbs=isch:1&aq=f&aqi=g10&oq=&q=crescent%20moon) - Those browser add-ons that let you scroll through results are good. But start at page 2 if you don't have one.

[ulli]

OK, so I would like to hear from any of our Forum members who can postulate why it would be that the moon in crescent phase would appear along the bottom edge of the sphere? Could that mean that the earth's relationship with the moon, i.e. our axis with respect to the moon's orbit around the planet, has shifted? I can't think of another logical explanation for the crescent moving so far in a clockwise direction south to the bottom of the sphere if you look at the various diagrams, but I am not an astronomer. Help me out here guys and gals!!

it is my firm belief that you allready answered your question yourself...
thank you for posting this..
another observation of mine is that sunlight has changed color or hue.. during the day it seems whiter to me.. less yellow..

My EYE sees all the colours brighter today. It's all good.

[Ahkenaten]

Oh I am relieved Fractalius. You found an explanation for why the crescent appears along the bottom? I am a big sky watcher and I have never observed this until recently!! I checked your link however did not see an explanation for this phenomenon.

WHAT IS THE EXPLANATION???!!

[Gajanana]

Nor am I an astronomer, but I am an amateur photographer and am pretty observant. I have watched thousands of sunrises, sunsets, cloud formations, moon rises etc.... and things are different now. I cant show anykind of proof, but sunrises are a different colour here now and sunsets look very tropical; mass of colour. The Moon is tricky to take fotos of with the limited equipment I have, but I have watched in awe at the beauty of it many, many times. Last nights glimpse was definately a WTF!! moment.
Problem is if you tell people the sunlight is different etc... that just go... err....???? This little event is quite different, there are moon fotos galore and I have never seen that kind of "lighting" before from denmark or anywhere in europe.
come on guys, where are the experts?
:mullet:




Gajanana - Uh, YEAH!! Real Different!! Now although I respect that there could be many theories about who did what to make this happen, etc. I would prefer frankly to begin with a simple astronomical explanation as to what this different view of the moon means in terms of basic celestial mechanics right here in our solar neighborhood!! We can observe that the crescent shape itself is approximately what it is supposed to be (i.e. the stage the moon is at in its cycle) it is the LOCATION OF THE CRESCENT ON THE SPHERE THAT IS ALL WRONG. Inasmuch as the illuminated section is the area upon which the sun is shining - from the perspective of us here on earth, in the past, the sun's rays (traveling in a straight line at the speed of light from the sun) were coming either from the right or left depending upon which phase the moon was in, i.e. MOON<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<SUN, or SUN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MOON.

Now, it would appear that the sunlight is coming instead of from the left or right ------------it is coming from the top or the bottom! (I am not sure about the celestial directions)

This effect would not be caused by a shift in the rotation of the moon because irrespective of the angle of the moon's rotation, the shadow effect from the sun would remain the same on the surface of the globe from our perspective on earth.

My tentative conclusion is that the only explanation for this radical change in the appearance of the crescent moon MUST be related to either a change in the moon's rotational path around the earth OR a shift in the earth's axis with respect to the moon's rotational path around the earth, changing our view of the moon and its phases.

But I am not an astronomer.

[Ahkenaten]

Yeah where are the people from the Naval Observatory and NASA when we need them?:yell:

[bashi]

The appearance depends also on the position of the observer on Earth.
If someone would project a gigantic A into the sky, while standing at the north pole, then the people on the equator would see it 90 degree tilted, while people at the South pole telescope would discuss why the A is upside down.

As long as you do not have pictures made at the same latitude and during the same moon-phase, then it will be very difficult to have something tangible to discuss.
Ahk, have you made pics of the moon before? If so then maybe post them with the actual ones and let's see...

[Ahkenaten]

I hate to say this and I know this is kind of going off and a bit rash but do you suppose that the poles of the earth are shifting right now and this is a visible sign of this? Or, that the moon's orbital path around the earth has shifted putting it at a different angle with respect to the Sun?

[bashi]

I hate to say this and I know this is kind of going off and a bit rash but do you suppose that the poles of the earth are shifting right now and this is a visible sign of this? Or, that the moon's orbital path around the earth has shifted putting it at a different angle with respect to the Sun?

No.
Here i have daylight and a covered sky. Can not say anything precise, but dawn was on time, while i was not...;)

[Ahkenaten]

Hi Bashi - I am in the northern latitudes in California, USA. The moon should and typically has been in phase with crescents running roughly north and south.....................maybe slightly at an angle. I would imagine you are correct that where you are on the earth has everything to do with your perspective. The photo I included in my second link from the top of the page, at the very top of this thread I found on the web and it matches exactly what I observed in the sky tonight here. It is very atypical for what I have seen here.

WHAT DO YOU THINK??

[bashi]

Hi Bashi - I am in the northern latitudes in California, USA. The moon should and typically has been in phase with crescents running roughly north and south.....................maybe slightly at an angle. I would imagine you are correct that where you are on the earth has everything to do with your perspective. The photo I included in my second link from the top of the page, at the very top of this thread I found on the web and it matches exactly what I observed in the sky tonight here. It is very atypical for what I have seen here.

WHAT DO YOU THINK??

Why don't you make a picture, then post it together with your latitude and we discuss then?

[Ahkenaten]

Oh maybe I am making a mountain out of a molehill here. I have no idea. I just never observed this particular view before. Maybe it is totally normal that this happens sometimes, I have no idea whatsoever!!

What I can see here looks like the photo under post #12 above. I am located at latitude 39 degrees 13' 9" N

[Gajanana]

If it was normal, it would be reflected in the moon phase sites... in the southern hemisphere I believe the moon can look like this, I have never seen it before. I think you have a point and glad you started the thread, I'm looking forward to the explanation, cos I'm baffled...

[Ahkenaten]

I know someone posted this (I think) on another thread. Now I don't really want to wade into the whole Nibiru controversy but I think the issue of the potential impact of some as yet officially unacknowledged but theoretically postulated celestial body on our "neighborhood" is still a possible explanation among other theories. (energetic wave impact, solar activity, etc.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4FlElhom7w

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[Gone001]

Just came across this, may bring to light the reasoning for some of the changes seen:

Will March 19 'supermoon' trigger disasters?
At least one astrologer thinks quakes, eruptions and huge storms possible



On March 19, the moon will swing around Earth more closely than it has in the past 18 years, lighting up the night sky from just 221,567 miles away. On top of that, it will be full. And one astrologer believes it could inflict massive damage on the planet.

Richard Nolle, a noted astrologer who runs the website astropro.com, has famously termed the upcoming full moon at lunar perigee (the closest approach during its orbit) an "extreme supermoon."

When the moon goes super-extreme, Nolle says, chaos will ensue: Huge storms, earthquakes, volcanoes and other natural disasters can be expected to wreak havoc on Earth. (It should be noted that astrology is not a real science, but merely makes connections between astronomical and mystical events.)

But do we really need to start stocking survival shelters in preparation for the supermoon?

The question is not actually so crazy. In fact scientists have studied related scenarios for decades. Even under normal conditions, the moon is close enough to Earth to make its weighty presence felt: It causes the ebb and flow of the ocean tides.

The moon's gravity can even cause small but measurable ebbs and flows in the continents, called "land tides" or "solid Earth tides," too. The tides are greatest during full and new moons, when the sun and moon are aligned either on the same or opposite sides of the Earth.

According to John Vidale, a seismologist at the University of Washington in Seattle and director of the Pacific Northwest Seismic Network, particularly dramatic land and ocean tides do trigger earthquakes. "Both the moon and sun do stress the Earth a tiny bit, and when we look hard we can see a very small increase in tectonic activity when they're aligned," Vidale told Life's Little Mysteries, a sister site to Space.com.


At times of full and new moons, "you see a less than 1 percent increase in earthquake activity, and a slightly higher response in volcanoes."

The effect of tides on seismic activity is greatest in subduction zones such as the Pacific Northwest, where one tectonic plate is sliding under another.

William Wilcock, another seismologist at the University of Washington, explained: "When you have a low tide, there's less water, so the pressure on the seafloor is smaller. That pressure is clamping the fault together, so when it's not there, it makes it easier for the fault to slip."

According to Wilcock, earthquake activity in subduction zones at low tides is 10 percent higher than at other times of the day, but he hasn't observed any correlations between earthquake activity and especially low tides at new and full moons. Vidale has observed only a very small correlation.

What about during a lunar perigee? Can we expect more earthquakes and volcanic eruptions on March 19, when the full moon will be so close?


The moon's gravitational pull at lunar perigee, the scientists say, is not different enough from its pull at other times to significantly change the height of the tides and thus the likelihood of natural disasters.

"A lot of studies have been done on this kind of thing by USGS scientists and others," John Bellini, a geophysicist at the U.S. Geological Survey, told Life's Little Mysteries. "They haven't found anything significant at all."

Vidale concurred. "Practically speaking, you'll never see any effect of lunar perigee," he said. "It's somewhere between 'It has no effect' and 'It's so small you don't see any effect.'"

The bottom line is, the upcoming supermoon won't cause a preponderance of earthquakes, although the idea isn't a crazy one.

"Earthquakes don't respond as much to the tides as you'd think they would. There should actually be more of an effect," said Vidale.

Most natural disasters have nothing to do with the moon at all. The Earth has a lot of pent up energy, and it releases it anytime the buildup gets too great. The supermoon probably won't push it past the tipping point, but we'll know for sure, one way or the other, by March 20.

This story was provided by Life's Little Mysteries, a sister site of SPACE.com.

Follow Natalie Wolchover on Twitter @ nattyover

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41997880/ns/technology_and_science-space/

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[sllim11]

Hi Bashi - I am in the northern latitudes in California, USA. The moon should and typically has been in phase with crescents running roughly north and south.....................maybe slightly at an angle. I would imagine you are correct that where you are on the earth has everything to do with your perspective. The photo I included in my second link from the top of the page, at the very top of this thread I found on the web and it matches exactly what I observed in the sky tonight here. It is very atypical for what I have seen here.

WHAT DO YOU THINK??

ahkenaten. i am in so. cal. so i guess it makes since we are both witnessing the same thing. i stay up all night. started with me photographing orbs at night 4 years ago. anyway, i never broke that pattern, so i have been really looking at the moon/sky for 4 years and i have never seen it look like this. i am not an astronomer obviously, but it really is WTF. maybe i should do more research. do any of the explanations above make sense to you? as to why it looks like this?

[Autumn]

To see if it is the earth's poles shifting or the moon traveling maybe we should also look at the star constalations. I suck at it as I can most often only view clouds but I just thought it might be relevant as to eliminate possibilities in a rational way and then see what's left to be theorized further on. I did see the moon last night as I let the dogs in from the yard and it made me stop and go, hmm. It was tilted on it's further onto its back but not at much as in the first picture, but it was tilted. I found myself fleetingly trying to remember if I have seen this before but I couldn't be sure and then my guests missed me and I didn't think further of it.

Interesting subject, though, what ever the cause is.

[Ahkenaten]

OK for those interested in this subject here is some more info - as I can see others have been noticing this too..................


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfkU7hYL_bo&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDaFs6wMz9Y&feature=related

woah - good thing I am NOT an astronomer......frankly I had no idea the moon was this complicated

good article on the moon

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Smoon4.htm

[sllim11]

just saw this. haven't read all way through so.... dunno?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread671227/pg4

[Ahkenaten]

well I am off now so if any people with some expertise in this area would like to comment on why the crescent moon looks like this tonight as compared to what the charts say it is SUPPOSED to look like I would looooove to hear what they have to say!

[chelmostef]

If you are right and the moon has shifted round, would this effect the molten iron core within the earth? I personally have no idea!
How long would it take to show its effects on/in the earth and what would the effects be? If of course it has shifted..

[D-Day]

I live in the southern part of Australia and for the first time ever (that I am aware of) the moon is not visible AT ALL... very strange indeed!!!

[Gardener]

It has periodically always been with the crescent shifting around, I have seen this type of moon all my life, though I can't say what its periodicity is.
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[Heart-2-Heart]

Very nice thread ...Ahkenation..Thank you..
A friend and I were watching the Moon ..and we both was surprised to see it laying flat on it's back ...

Nice to see how peacefully and fast ...Avalonians can work together...as one consciousness... sharing facts ..for the same purpose..The thruth...
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[KosmicKat]

And one astrologer believes it could inflict massive damage on the planet.

I doubt that the damage will be physical. But given the faith that many astrological believers have in their stellar guides, I doubt also that it will be completely absent.


If you are right and the moon has shifted round, would this effect the molten iron core within the earth?

You assume that the molten iron core theory is sound. What if our planet is more like a rocky sponge? We can only conjecture what the core is like, and the molten iron core is the best fit for available evidence.

[Setras]

bit of an ameteur astronomer here......

i have seen this before and it is quite common before and during lunar perigee (closet point in orbit) this is the closest the moon has been for many years and in you also have to remember the moon oscillates up and down in its orbit and does not follow the equator. this would mean that at some point the moon would be close enough to the earth and in the correct position to allow light from the sun to reflect from the bottom of the lunar sphere and not the left or right as commonly observed i like to think the sky is smiling.........Remember it can look sad too. I have a photo from the late last year showing the crescent at the bottom and Venus directly below you might need to zoom a bit as it was just the phone and not the telescope.... nothing to worry about imho

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z267/setras_photo/photo.jpg

[blake]

March 9, 2011

Look up at the sky. The moon, in crescent phase, is clear for everyone to see. Whereas normally a crescent moon in any phase presents roughly vertically with the illuminated crescent running from celestial north to south and the shadow on the opposite side, tonight anyone observing the moon can see that the crescent is along the bottom of the sphere with the shadow side to the top. This runs contrary to the US Navy's projection as to what the moon SHOULD look like tonight:


http://aa.usno.navy.mil/idltemp/current_moon.php

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/idtemp/current_moon.php

Here is a photo of what the moon ACTUALLY looks like tonight:


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5054/5512388311_3c3aa8bf2f.jpg

Here is a chart of what the moon is SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE in its phases


http://stardate.org/nightsky/moon

WTF?

What is going on with the moon?

Hello Ahkenaten,

Just a quick comment here. I am not an expert in this; however, I have seen the moon in this position throughout my life. Folklore books sometimes refer to it as the horns of the moon. So in my expereince, I would say this is not out of the usual but quite common. But then again, I am not an expert, just sharing my expereince.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
3/10/11

[ulli]

If it was normal, it would be reflected in the moon phase sites... in the southern hemisphere I believe the moon can look like this, I have never seen it before. I think you have a point and glad you started the thread, I'm looking forward to the explanation, cos I'm baffled...

The moon does indeed look like this near the equator. If you have never seen it, I think it's time for you to plan a trip to the Caribbean.
You'll LOVE the climate.

[ulli]

You assume that the molten iron core theory is sound. What if our planet is more like a rocky sponge? We can only conjecture what the core is like, and the molten iron core is the best fit for available evidence


I LOVE the Rocky Sponge Theory.
Those geography books at school were drawn by people
who have never travelled beneath the earth surface.

Talking of Rocky, anyone seen him lately?
Rocky_Shorz, I mean,
not Rocky Gamboa...

[bashi]

Hi Bashi - I am in the northern latitudes in California, USA. The moon should and typically has been in phase with crescents running roughly north and south.....................maybe slightly at an angle. I would imagine you are correct that where you are on the earth has everything to do with your perspective. The photo I included in my second link from the top of the page, at the very top of this thread I found on the web and it matches exactly what I observed in the sky tonight here. It is very atypical for what I have seen here.

WHAT DO YOU THINK??

ahkenaten. i am in so. cal. so i guess it makes since we are both witnessing the same thing. i stay up all night. started with me photographing orbs at night 4 years ago. anyway, i never broke that pattern, so i have been really looking at the moon/sky for 4 years and i have never seen it look like this. i am not an astronomer obviously, but it really is WTF. maybe i should do more research. do any of the explanations above make sense to you? as to why it looks like this?

Do you have some older pictures, which we compare with the newer ones?

[zelda]

To be honest, it's been like that for a while. I cannot say how long its been like that; maybe months. The first time I notice it gave me the creeps because it looks like the smile of the cat in Alice in wonderland. Honest! it's creepy; as if someone is mischievously smiling at us.....

[skyflower]

saw the same thing a few days ago from Seoul, Korea. I thought the moon looked weird, and I guess I'm not the only one who thought so.

[Black Panther]

Hello Ahkenaten,

I also noticed the moon with the crescent along the bottom.
And maybe it's normal in different parts of the world, but it caught my eye too.

A guy in China also filmed two suns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJkurPs9smA&feature=player_embedded#at=82
Maybe that's normal too in other parts of the world :sarcastic:

[sygh]

Have you read what James C Horak has said about the moon being fiddled with by TPTWere... I have not read in depth about this all I know is he was saying someone has fiddled with it... I will try and find a link for you..

Update- Here is the link- http://emvsinfo.blogspot.com/2010/11/earth-changes-and-moon.html

Whaaaat? This is new to me. The thing about it though is that I actually have seen a change in the the way the moon looks before you mentioned these changes. Or I thought I did, or did I? Whough doggies!! This just gets deeper, and deeper, and deeper doesn't it. Alright, I'm ready to get off this rock. It wobbles. Which brings me to another doozie of a thought, is our galaxey traveling? Do we have a physical destination? If so, where to ollie?

HAHAHAHA, and we're thinking we're so smart! Bwaaaah!! Hands flailing above head, running up and down the corredors of the happy house, tucked away here for the safety of others.

I'll have a slice of cheeeeeze, pleeeez

http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q2685.html

[DawgBone]

I don't ever recall seeing the moon with a bottom crescent before. But I doubt the moon and earth have 'changed' in any orbital sense. If they had, we would probably be feeling some rather unpleasant effects right now.

It certainly was a sight, though! Venus was nearby and stunningly beautiful. From an astrological point of view, Venus conjunct the Moon is the beautiful woman.

I think I'm love ...

:--)

[golden lady]

Interesting thread Ahkenatin,
Having checked out old school books, on the net and images I can find no matches for last nights moon. All show illuminated from either the right or left side!
Hope we have clear skies this eve, will have camera at the ready.

[Setras]

A guy in China also filmed two suns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJkurPs9smA&feature=player_embedded#at=82
Maybe that's normal too in other parts of the world :sarcastic:


i too watched that video and what i would love to ask the filmer is whether or he saw it or was it only on the camera.

i have seen this before with video camera it is caused by adsorbtion of light as it passes through the lens and due to the curve of the lens it gives this dual sun effect.... you can try it yourself, best to wait until the sun is low in the sky....

I first noticed it when we making some films for college back in the eighties...



edited due to being a cheapskate and getting a rubbish keyboard

[Fred Steeves]

I saw the same smiley moon last night here in Florida. We're at approx. 27 degrees north. Great subject for a thread, as I had never considered the difference between the crescent being paralell or perpindicular. I have noticed the smiley moon several times in the past though, and yes "the horns" are well noted in antiquity, according to Jordan Maxwell.

Hell, at the very least we're all brushing up on our knowledge of basic astronomy. Amazing how the more we learn the MUCH more we realize how much we don't know.


Cheers,
Fred S.

[mcaballero]

http://www.stellarium.org

It's even open source!

[InCiDeR]

http://spiritualdeepdish.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/north-pole-sun-moon.jpg?w=471&h=354


There is no moon...:neo:

[the trojan]

this has been flagged on t' web for a couple of months now....tons of positive negative opinions.....
also add to the mix this theory...
not only has the crescent position changed,but the man in the moons face has moved around..

[InCiDeR]

It seems to be really hard to find some hard evidence or explanation regarding this phenomen from reliable sources. But here is something I found so far:


Jean Meeus had an interesting chapter on this phenomenon in his fourth Mathematical Astronomy Morsels book. Chapter 4, "The Moon as a Boat": that is, the crescent moon lying on its back on the horizon with the horns pointing straight up.
As the new moon passes the sun, its horns can be at any angle at all, but it's generally invisible at that time, both because of glare and because of its extremely narrow phase angle. So Meeus made some reasonable assumptions about the necessary distance between sun and moon before the crescent could be visible.
The effect is strongly dependent on latitude: it's very common to have the crescent lying on its back (or front) at low latitudes, because the moon rises and sets in these latitudes with its north-south axis roughly aligned with the horizon. The higher the latitude, the more strongly the latitude affects the perceived tilt of the lunar crescent, and so the more extreme the illumination angle has to be in order to "undo" the latitude effect.
Meeus found that his "Moon as Boat" phenomenon was impossible to view at latitudes higher than 50 degrees.
He then did a search for the phenomenon for various locations in the next decade. He found an example in Paris (2010 Mar 16) and Toronto (2012 Feb 22), and many examples scattered across the USA. South of 34 degrees, he got very long lists of "hits": the phenomenon is sufficiently common to be unremarkable in those latitudes.

http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/98755-Crescent-Moon-Delimiter-Angle?p=1651910#post1651910


The sun's light will be falling on the moon from the right, causing very oblique lighting all across the center of the moon's disk, the boundary between sunlight and shadow known as the terminator. Because of the moon's rapid movement around the Earth, the direction of the sun’s light changes greatly from one night to the next, making the study of the moon a constantly changing show.
The first thing to notice about tonight's moon (Feb. 9) is its orientation. For observers in the northern hemisphere, the terminator is almost horizontal, rather than the vertical orientation shown in most books.
Despite recent videos on YouTube, there is nothing unusual about this. It is caused by the angle which the moon’s orbit makes with the horizon at this time of year, so that the moon appears to be lit from below. Think for a moment about where the sun is located, and you’ll realize that the moon’s orientation makes complete sense.

UPDATE:
http://www.starrynighteducation.com/sntimes/2008/dec/index.shtml

[Gajanana]

Seems to be a lot of conflicting reports, some avid sky watchers (myself included) have never seen it before, others say its not unusual. Maybe my powers of observation are not as good as I thought. Thanks again for starting this thread, very informative.
btw InCider... dont worry about the vase ;)

[gardunk]

saw the samw thing here last nite from upstate ny...try this link

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1909PA.....17...11B

[Setras]

seriously nothing to worry about... it happens a few times every year. the pic i last posted was last year... here is one from the year before......
http://www.rwnaturenotes.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/venus_and_the_moon_2_27_200.jpg

[Peace of Mind]

I'm still looking for the explanation to why a half moon can be seen during the day time. I know the moon can be visible during the morning hours but how can a shadow be seen on the moon when the Sun can be seen in the same sky? That question has been presented in the thread link below...along with a few other questions...

I'm starting to find it hard to trust some of these so called professionals in the science community, or what was taught in grade school.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2003-Questions-I-can-t-get-answers-to....

Any answer will be appreciated.

Peace

[Sowelu]

Actually Ive seen it on the bottom alot of times.. I call it the cheshire cat moon.
They show the phases as a side to side to illustrate the exact amound of waxing/waning because some of the phases are such a slight change it's hard to see the difference.
I still suspect the moon isn't a natural part of this system though

[Ahkenaten]

bit of an ameteur astronomer here......

i have seen this before and it is quite common before and during lunar perigee (closet point in orbit) this is the closest the moon has been for many years and in you also have to remember the moon oscillates up and down in its orbit and does not follow the equator. this would mean that at some point the moon would be close enough to the earth and in the correct position to allow light from the sun to reflect from the bottom of the lunar sphere and not the left or right as commonly observed i like to think the sky is smiling.........Remember it can look sad too. I have a photo from the late last year showing the crescent at the bottom and Venus directly below you might need to zoom a bit as it was just the phone and not the telescope.... nothing to worry about imho

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z267/setras_photo/photo.jpg

Setras thank you so much for this explanation! This is fantastic, esp. the oscillation piece! That really helps move the discussion along and helps me to visualize the model which otherwise was difficult. To put all this in simple terms if the moon is oscillatiing in its orbit around the earth, i.e. moving up and down as you look out at it, if it moves up then the sun illuminates the bottom. It is an extremely complex model to visualize!!

What an amazing universe we live in! To think that even two hundred years ago people's lives were configured by looking up at the night sky and these days we don't really know or understand what we are looking at! No wonder we do not feel "at home" in our universe we are so estranged from it! What an incredible universe we live in, a dynamic, continually moving, complex, interrelated whole!!

Thanks so much for helping me to understand! (I will admit I STILL don't totally grasp this because I want to visualize a model and I can't get my head around it 100%) BUT THIS HELPS!!!!

[torzbc]

Nice Picture you took of last nights moon.... just been reading your thread whilst looking out of the window at a very similar moon tonight... I've been watching the moon for a while. Many people have noticed strange anomalous "wobbles", (only way to describe it really...) of the moon. There are loads of video's on Youtube about it... Question is will we dismiss what our eyes and camera's are telling us or will we accept that something is wrong with not only the moons orbit but with where the shadow is...If we do accept then questions need to be asked HOW and more importantly WHY???!!
Found a good site with some interesting info on a while ago, should add it to the blog post really..
Give this a read.. http://keelynet.com/unclass/luna.htm

Makes an interesting read if you can accept that the moon might be an artificial satellite...
Why doesn't it it turn?? I have wondered this since I was a kid... why do we never see the back side...

[Rocky_Shorz]

I thought the moon was smiling because we are finally moving the right direction...

[golden lady]

http://www.wonderquest.com/cheshire-moon-speedy-sunset-languid-
Hope the above link helps.
http://www.wonderquest.com/cheshire-moon-speedy-sunset-languid-eventide.htm
Whoops hope it works!

[benevolentcrow]

Keep your eyes to the sky March 19th. Should be a site to see.

Extreme supermoons caused flooding when they occurred in 1954, 1974 and 1992, according to New Zealand's Gympie Times. Meteorologists also speculate that extreme supermoons have caused or amplified earthquakes, such as the 9.0 Indonesian earthquake in 2005, according to AccuWeather.com.

Whether or not you believe the hype, remember to take out your camera.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2w5kffJnq8

[olgraybear]

OK, so I would like to hear from any of our Forum members who can postulate why it would be that the moon in crescent phase would appear along the bottom edge of the sphere? Could that mean that the earth's relationship with the moon, i.e. our axis with respect to the moon's orbit around the planet, has shifted? I can't think of another logical explanation for the crescent moving so far in a clockwise direction south to the bottom of the sphere if you look at the various diagrams, but I am not an astronomer. Help me out here guys and gals!!

it is my firm belief that you allready answered your question yourself...
thank you for posting this..
another observation of mine is that sunlight has changed color or hue.. during the day it seems whiter to me.. less yellow..

I've thought that the same with the sun

[Fractalius]

Here's an animation I made from photos of the 2007 solar eclipse. Just as a slightly off topic piece of curios.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDGa6pnBEcg

[str8thinker]

I see a supermoon rising, but do I see trouble on the way?
Glenda Kwek
March 11, 2011 - 2:57PM

(quote)

A "supermoon" is coming and conspiracy theorists believe it will cause a moonageddon.

While astronomers and other scientists suggest everyone just take a chill pill and enjoy the prospect of a larger moon on March 19, US astrologist Richard Nolle believes it heralds disaster.

Supermoons are closer to Earth and occur every 10 to 20 years - the most recent being in 1955, 1974, 1992 and 2005.
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On March 19, the moon will be 356,577 kilometres from Earth, the closest it has been since 1992.

The lunar perigee, or supermoon - a term that Mr Nolle said he coined in 1979 - takes place because the moon does not orbit the Earth in a perfect circle, but in a slightly elliptical manner.

"Supermoons, in fact, have a historical association with strong storms, very high tides, extreme tides and also earthquakes," Mr Nolle told ABC Radio this week.

"Supermoons are like eclipses. We have roughly five to six per year ... and so it can be very close to Earth but we don't have to have one at the maximum close approach to have a notable effect."

Mr Nolle said the most recent supermoon on February 18 had an impact on Earth from February 12 to 21. He drew a link between the lunar phenomenon and the Christchurch earthquake, which hit New Zealand on February 22.

He also linked the 1948 Ashgabat earthquake in Turkmenistan, the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines in 1991 and 2005's Hurricane Katrina in the United States to periods of supermoon activity.

But Mr Nolle's theories were dismissed by astronomers and seismologists, who said natural disasters happen regardless of whether there's a supermoon or not.

"I would say that the chances of disaster from this supermoon is as great as the chances that the world will end on December 21 next year," said Australian Astronomical Observatory's research astronomer Simon O'Toole, citing interpretations of the Mayan calendar that suggest December 21, 2012 is the day when the world ends.

"So, basically, zero."

Dr O'Toole said there was only a 1 to 2 per cent difference in the distance of the moon from Earth when a perigee (closest) or apogee (furthest) occurs, and so, instead of encountering a bad moon on the rise on March 19, we would only experience a "slightly higher tide" and of course, a larger-looking moon.

"The gravity of the moon is tugging on the Earth and causing a slight sort of distortion as the moon orbits the Earth and that leads to tides eventually.

"But I think that the main thing that we will expect to see [on March 19] is that the moon will look very slightly bigger ... and we may not even be able to perceive that it is bigger."

Clive Collins, a senior seismologist at Geoscience Australia agrees, said that, while many scientists have studied whether there is a link between lunar cycles and seismic activity, none have found any clear connections.

"You get tidal effects which do cause changes in the stress on the Earth but it's not shown that you can predict that earthquakes occur at certain lunar cycles," he said.

"There have been some indications and some circumstances when you get small earthquakes during high tides where you've got lunar and solar gravitational effects occurring at the same time ... but there is no clear correlation, particularly with large earthquakes."

Conspiracy theory or not, Dr O'Toole is certain that the supermoon event will generate assumptions about its impact.

"I think what will most likely happen is the supermoon will come and go next week and then people will look back and say, 'Ah-ha! On March 18 or 19 or 20, all of these things happened and it must have been caused by that.'

"And of course if you look back a couple of weeks ago, you had a giant earthquake in Christchurch. And that was not related to anything like that. It just happened.

"The Earth is a dynamic system - you get all sorts of events independent of the moon and the sun."

Source (http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/i-see-a-supermoon-rising-but-do-i-see-trouble-on-the-way-20110311-1bqrw.html)

[davyj0nes]

i took a pic of the moon last nite, i thought i should share it with you all.

[Ahkenaten]

I have no way of knowing for sure if there is any connection, but I was wondering if the earthquake in Japan could have been related to the combination of the "Supermoon" phenomenon AND the X-class solar flare emitted by the Sun the other day. There is some information that the giant earthquake-tsunami in Indonesia some years ago also was coincident with some kind of massive energetic burst, but that time emanating from the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. No small wonder the ancients were all so fixated on the heavens and there were so many Master Astronomers!

There is always more to learn about the amazing Universe we live in!!

[RAKMEiSTER]

I have no way of knowing for sure if there is any connection, but I was wondering if the earthquake in Japan could have been related to the combination of the "Supermoon" phenomenon AND the X-class solar flare emitted by the Sun the other day. There is some information that the giant earthquake-tsunami in Indonesia some years ago also was coincident with some kind of massive energetic burst, but that time emanating from the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. No small wonder the ancients were all so fixated on the heavens and there were so many Master Astronomers!

There is always more to learn about the amazing Universe we live in!!

1 word correlate:
http://www3.nict.go.jp/y/y223/simulation/realtime/movie/2011/test_6.20110310.avi

it woke me up. (if you get the refrence) no not the quake