THAT WAS MASSIVE 9.1 in Japan (Tsunami)

[Ross]

Japan is disected by 3 Plate boundarys, Japan is infact a Volcano in itself. Pacific rim is 2 plate boundarys that grind together 24/7...all related areas on the rim have been triggered due to this massive energy release built up by the grinding of plates.

Ross

[yiolas]

Hi Guys, my heart and prayers go out to you and your family Ski. Referring to what Jake said earlier about being in tears, I too have not been taking this too well. Even though we've been anticipating these kind of earth changes for a while now, I have been panicked since the beginning of this disaster and close to tears all day. Then something very strange overtook me and I became very sleepy in the early evening. I slept from 8 pm till 12 pm ! I've never done such a thing.

[Ross]

Magnitude scales.

Less than 2.0 Micro Micro earthquakes, not felt. About 8,000 per day

2.0–2.9 Minor Generally not felt, but recorded. About 1,000 per day

3.0–3.9 Often felt, but rarely causes damage. 49,000 per year (est.)

4.0–4.9 Light Noticeable shaking of indoor items, rattling noises. Significant damage unlikely. 6,200 per year (est.)

5.0–5.9 Moderate Can cause major damage to poorly constructed buildings over small regions. At most slight damage to well-designed buildings. 800 per year

6.0–6.9 Strong Can be destructive in areas up to about 160 kilometres (100 mi) across in populated areas. 120 per year

7.0–7.9 Major Can cause serious damage over larger areas. 18 per year

8.0–8.9 Great Can cause serious damage in areas several hundred miles across. 1 per year

9.0–9.9 Devastating in areas several thousand miles across.
1 per 20 years

10.0+ Epic Never recorded; see below for equivalent seismic energy yield. Extremely rare (Unknown)

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Energy equivalents in terms of TNT explosive force.

0.0 15.0 g (0.529 oz) 63.1 kJ

0.5 84.4 g (2.98 oz) 355 kJ Large hand grenade

1.0 474 g (1.05 lb) 2.00 MJ Construction site blast

1.5 2.67 kg (5.88 lb) 11.2 MJ World War II conventional bombs

2.0 15.0 kg (33.1 lb) 63.1 MJ Late World War II conventional bombs

2.5 84.4 kg (186 lb) 355 MJ World War II blockbuster bomb

3.0 474 kg (1.05×103 lb) 2.00 GJ Massive Ordnance Air Blast bomb

3.5 2.67 metric tons 11.2 GJ Chernobyl nuclear disaster, 1986

4.0 15.0 metric tons 63.1 GJ Small atomic bomb

4.5 84.4 metric tons 355 GJ

5.0 474 metric tons 2.00 TJ Seismic yield of Nagasaki atomic bomb (Total
yield including air yield 21 kT, 88 TJ)

Lincolnshire earthquake (UK), 2008

Ontario-Quebec earthquake (Canada), 2010
5.5 2.67 kilotons 11.2 TJ Little Skull Mtn. earthquake (Nevada, USA), 1992

Alum Rock earthquake (California, USA), 2007
Chino Hills earthquake (Los Angeles, USA), 2008
6.0 15.0 kilotons 63.1 TJ Double Spring Flat earthquake (Nevada, USA), 1994

6.3 42.3 kilotons 178 TJ Christchurch earthquake (New Zealand), 2011

6.4 59.7 kilotons 251 TJ Kaohsiung earthquake (Taiwan), 2010

6.5 84.4 kilotons 355 TJ Caracas earthquake (Venezuela), 1967

6.6 119 kilotons 501 TJ San Fernando earthquake (California, USA), 1971

6.7 168 kilotons 708 TJ Northridge earthquake (California, USA), 1994

6.8 238 kilotons 1.00 PJ Gisborne earthquake (Gisborne, NZ), 2007

6.9 336 kilotons 1.41 PJ San Francisco Bay Area earthquake (California, USA), 1989
Pichilemu earthquake (Chile), 2010
7.0 474 kilotons 2.00 PJ Java earthquake (Indonesia), 2009
Haiti earthquake, 2010

7.1 670 kilotons 2.82 PJ San Juan earthquake (Argentina), 1944
Christchurch earthquake (New Zealand), 2010

7.2 938 kilotons 3.98 PJ Vrancea earthquake (Romania), 1977
Baja California earthquake (Mexico), 2010

7.5 2.67 megatons 11.2 PJ Kashmir earthquake (Pakistan), 2005
Antofagasta earthquake (Chile), 2007

7.8 7.52 megatons 31.6 PJ Tangshan earthquake (China), 1976

Hawke's Bay earthquake (New Zealand), 1931
Luzon earthquake (Philippines), 1990
Sumatra earthquake (Indonesia), 2010

8.0 15.0 megatons 63.1 PJ Mino-Owari earthquake (Japan), 1891
San Juan earthquake (Argentina), 1894
San Francisco earthquake (California, USA), 1906
Queen Charlotte Islands earthquake (British Columbia, Canada), 1949
México City earthquake (Mexico), 1985
Gujarat earthquake (India), 2001
Chincha Alta earthquake (Peru), 2007
Sichuan earthquake (China), 2008

8.1 21.2 megatons 89.1 PJ Guam earthquake, August 8, 1993[12]

8.35 (approx.) 50 megatons 210 PJ Largest thermonuclear weapon ever tested

8.5 84.4 megatons 355 PJ Toba eruption 75,000 years ago; among the largest known volcanic events.
Sumatra earthquake (Indonesia), 2007

8.7 168 megatons 708 PJ Sumatra earthquake (Indonesia), 2005
1883 eruption of Krakatoa

8.8 238 megatons 1.00 EJ Chile earthquake, 2010

8.9 336 megatons 1.41 EJ Sendai earthquake (Japan), 2011

9.0 474 megatons 2.00 EJ Lisbon Earthquake (Portugal), All Saints Day, 1755

9.2 946 megatons 3.98 EJ Anchorage earthquake (Alaska, USA), 1964

9.3 1.34 gigatons 5.62 EJ Indian Ocean earthquake, 2004

9.5 2.67 gigatons 11.2 EJ Valdivia earthquake (Chile), 1960

10.0 15.0 gigatons 63.1 EJ Never recorded by humans

12.55 100 teratons 422 ZJ Yucatán Peninsula impact (creating Chicxulub crater) 65 Ma ago (108 megatons; over 4x1030 ergs = 400 ZJ).
32.0 1×1021 yottatons 4.2×1030 YJ Approximate magnitude of the starquake on the magnetar SGR 1806-20, registered on December 27, 2004.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richter_magnitude_scale

Ross

[starsmoonmtns]

It's getting uglier and will b4 it gets better, (in time??) We are all connected by Source., go with the flow~

[Rocky_Shorz]

Morningsong, how long was the http://www.n3kl.org/sun/images/kpstatus.gif happening before the quakes began?

[Rocky_Shorz]

Tsunami has been observed in Port Saint Louis, State of California at 16:54 UTC following an M8.9 earthquake in Japan region.

The observed tsunami wave height was 1.88 m. (6.2 feet)

[cosmicharmony]

May i ask a question here.

I thought we had scientists who looked out for earthquakes occuring. Where were they?

[MorningSong]

Hey Rocky!

The quakes in Japan started on the 9th, preceded by a few 6ers in other places in the previous days as you can see here:

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.html#listtop

Although the K index was high days earlier, the Solare storm started on the 10th:

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/kp_3d.html

The sun was producing Calss M flares as early as the 7th and the X class flare on the 9th.

http://www.lmsal.com/solarsoft/last_events/


@cosmicharmony...I am sorry... I took a 3 day "leave" and this morning found out that this had all happened. I probably should have known....

[Lifesong]

I'm confused about whether these earthquakes are caused by the sun's activity or caused purposely by HAARP.

I'd been checking the solarcycle24.com site daily since before I came to Avalon, but...well, I don't know. I'm just confused. :)

Peace & Healing, all.

[Gaia]

Nuclear emergency has been declared for three of the four reactors. The 6 reactors at the site use some of the oldest nuclear technology, dating back to the 1960s.


The day the cores melted... Can't you see, its been a really awful day ! And so sad...

[nearing]

Hi Guys, my heart and prayers go out to you and your family Ski. Referring to what Jake said earlier about being in tears, I too have not been taking this too well. Even though we've been anticipating these kind of earth changes for a while now, I have been panicked since the beginning of this disaster and close to tears all day. Then something very strange overtook me and I became very sleepy in the early evening. I slept from 8 pm till 12 pm ! I've never done such a thing.

Yiola, I feel/felt it too.

All day yesterday I was just sad. I couldn't put my finger on why. I looked for any reasons for it and although there are a few as my life is far from perfect, none of them was proportional to the sadness I was feeling and still am. Cried a lot yesterday and could to sleep or get anything productive done.

As soon as I heard what had happened in Japan, I thought, 'yes, THIS is why I fell so emotionally drained'.

Is it possible that we are now so 'plugged in' to the Earth and the consciousness of humanity that we are feeling these things before devastation occurs?

[Bollinger]

How many more times will we sit at home with eyes transfixed on our screens as we watch the unfolding calamity.

To us observers, it feels so unreal and far removed from reality. And yet, to the victims, how cruel and bewildering it must seem to have to face something of this extent and magnitude.

Words are never adequate of course. No amount of good wishes and thoughts can compensate for the loss and chaos that inevitably ensues such a tragedy.

May the full tenure of human solidarity be with all of you and may we extend our sincere wishes for a speedy return to some sort of normality for all those affected.

To the families and friends of those who have perished, no set of words or condolences can ever replace or repair the damage done; but know that we are with you and that you are not alone.

[the voice]

For some reason iv only watched a few things on this i cant watch any more, i have felt sick sad and cried about this. At 4 this morning i was still up and felt bangs and tremors im in the UK. How is that possible but i did feel them and been upset ever since.

[sandy]

Dear Skib,

So happy to hear you and your family are safe so far and pray it will stay the same. Prayers for you all in this time of devastation and much compassion and love ..........................focusing all I have to all those in all the area's in need. Stay calm and strong my friend.

[Noble Hops]

I looked at the link.................

Whatever Benjamin---- name your sources.....Moron

Illumanati ****** disinformation agent - We know all about you

Cant you at least have some self pride?

First off, let me say that I hold Japan and its people in the highest regard, and am heartbroken by what has happened. To make a long story short, I owe about a quarter of my work ethic to them as a whole. I'd "pray" for them, but don't know the difference between that and just thinking.

Secondly (and not to take the thread on a tangent), I'd like to hear more details about Fulford as a disinfo agent. Watched his PC interview a couple years ago, along with the Rockefeller one, and my gut at the time told me he was pretty okay.

[loveandgratitude]

Send lots of love and light in that direction.

[witchy1]

Japan declares a state of atomic power emergency and races to evacuate residents near reactors while Tokyo braces for aftershocks.

Japanese nuclear officials say radiation levels inside a nuclear power plant have surged to 1000 times their normal levels.

The nuclear safety agency said early Saturday that some radiation has also seeped outside the plant, prompting calls for further evacuations of the area. Some 3000 people have already been urged to leave their homes.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/japan-earthquake/4761340/Radiation-levels-rise-outside-Japan-nuke-plant

[jcocks]

Watched this unfolding on the news last night....truly horrible. They're saying that one third of the country is underwater....and the nuclear situation is most worrying.

Many of the reports that I've read have quoted many of the residents of japan as saying this quake was "different". I'm wondering if any lasting changes to the continent have happened as a result of this quake? I guess time will tell...

My heart and prayers are with you, ski. I wish you all the safelt in the world.

Love and light
Joel

[Teakai]

Volcano in Japan is active now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44LaGiPD-Ms

I hadn't noticed if somebody had already out it up.
((((((((((((((((((((((((((((:hug:))))))))))))))))) )))))))))))) to all people in Japan. I can't stop thinking about you guys.

[Caterpillars Lens]

Small, but positive news:


0033: Naval and coastguard helicopters airlift all 81 people to safety from a ship that was swept out to sea by a tsunami, the AFP news agency reports, quoting Japanese media.
BBC live update (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698)

blessings to all,
CL

[witchy1]

Secondly (and not to take the thread on a tangent), I'd like to hear more details about Fulford as a disinfo agent. Watched his PC interview a couple years ago, along with the Rockefeller one, and my gut at the time told me he was pretty okay. Noble hops have a look here: http://www.rense.com/general79/fulf.htm. and then here: http://www.rense.com/general84/abso.htm

[MorningSong]

I snitched this from Giovonni:


Latest Temblor An Interplate Quake: Meteorological Agency


Saturday, March 12, 2011


TOKYO (Nikkei)--The major earthquake that struck northeastern Japan on Friday had the hallmarks of an interplate quake, which occurs at the boundary between two tectonic plates.

At the area near the epicenter, the North American plate, on which part of the Japanese archipelago lies, slips under the Pacific plate. The temblor was likely triggered when the North American plate snapped upward, releasing the accumulated strain.

The earthquake occurred near the site of another tremor that shook Miyagi Prefecture on Wednesday, so the earlier quake may have been a foreshock, according to the Japan Meteorological Agency.

"There aren't many instances in which such a large earthquake occurs right after a magnitude 7-class quake," said an official at the agency. "This is a highly unusual case."

The agency warns that aftershocks registering around magnitude 7 could take place over the next month.

Major quakes have occurred off the coast of Miyagi Prefecture about every 40 years, the previous being a magnitude 7.4 temblor in 1978. Government experts had expected that one registering between 7.5 and 8 would hit, but the latest packed a wallop of magnitude 8.8.

The plate may have shifted over a stretch of several hundred kilometers along the fault on Friday, according to the agency, with some experts putting the figure at upwards of 400-500km.

"In last year's magnitude 8.8 earthquake in Chile, the fault is said to have moved over a span of about 800km, so the latest quake may be similar," said Kyoto University Professor Manabu Hashimoto.

Friday's interplate earthquake is different from the Great Hanshin Earthquake that rocked the Kobe area in 1995, which was an intraplate quake.

Source:
http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20110311D11JFA11.htm

[Teakai]

Secondly (and not to take the thread on a tangent), I'd like to hear more details about Fulford as a disinfo agent. Watched his PC interview a couple years ago, along with the Rockefeller one, and my gut at the time told me he was pretty okay. Noble hops have a look here: http://www.rense.com/general79/fulf.htm. and then here: http://www.rense.com/general84/abso.htm

I did wonder why he wasn't chopped meat.

It seems most of the honest guys that go public suddenly have heart attacks - or get the sudden desire to commit suicide, or end up in garbage disposals.

Bit of a rotten way to have one's integrity substantiated.

[Teakai]

Secondly (and not to take the thread on a tangent), I'd like to hear more details about Fulford as a disinfo agent. Watched his PC interview a couple years ago, along with the Rockefeller one, and my gut at the time told me he was pretty okay. Noble hops have a look here: http://www.rense.com/general79/fulf.htm. and then here: http://www.rense.com/general84/abso.htm

I did wonder why he wasn't chopped meat.

It seems most of the honest guys that go public suddenly have heart attacks - or get the sudden desire to commit suicide, or end up in garbage disposals.

Bit of a rotten way to have one's integrity substantiated.

Edit to add: Looking at the picture in the link, though - does Rockefeller's head look a bit strange? Maybe photoshopped on (badly) or is that what he really looks like?

[witchy1]

There are other photos of them together I have seen (rattle my brain for that). I think its a true likeness compared with other photos (oddness maybe due to generations of interbreeding??) .

[Dennis Jonathan]

As far as what caused the quake, and what caused the whirlpool, can we all agree that it is: unknown?

I dont care who says what, the fact is, none of us know = no theory can be ruled out due to the scientific concensus.

To SKI: Im not trying to panic you, but right about now, Id be packing up and heading for the hills ( as long as the hill isnt a volcano).

Love and peace to you from CA brother.

[sllim11]

I apologize if this was already posted however posting it here just in case it was not... (mods plz delete this if it was posted) Sending lots of love to us all!! :love:

FULFORD VS. HAARP hi-rez this was posted on May 29, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VX0JvpW5q0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VX0JvpW5q0

didn't SKIBADABOMSKI say he saw a rainbow and it was stange? in this video he says the rainbow can indicate HAARP?

[Anchor]

For some reason iv only watched a few things on this i cant watch any more, i have felt sick sad and cried about this. At 4 this morning i was still up and felt bangs and tremors im in the UK. How is that possible but i did feel them and been upset ever since.

Non-physical phenomena being experienced as physical. Emotions cause this - and massed emotion causes a "disturbance in the force" that is palpable to sensitive people.

Think of it as if you are out walking being buffeted by a strong wind - just retain your balance and keep taking steps, try not to fall over and you will be allright. If you do fall over, someone will be there with a hand to get you back up again (if you want).

[Hervé]

A summary:

From: http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?lang=

Yesterday:
5798

The culprit:
5797

Today:
5799

:sad:

[Teakai]

Oh hell. According to official sources the nuclear reactor has gone into meltdown.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHmoEG_hEs0

[jcocks]

Official reports deny this, but my gut feeling tells me that it's a precarious situation to say the least, and the fat lady isn't even close to singing yet....

Love and light in abundance to Japan, and especially the areas around the affected nuclear reactors.... :(

Stay strong!

[sllim11]

Oh hell. According to official sources the nuclear reactor has gone into meltdown.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHmoEG_hEs0


Where did you see this teakai?

[benevolentcrow]

Oh hell. According to official sources the nuclear reactor has gone into meltdown.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHmoEG_hEs0


Where did you see this teakai?

I hope this is not some fearmonger, because it sure has scared me. I have a lot of family on the west coast. What news source was this, do you know?

[Caterpillars Lens]

From TEPCO Latest Press Releases (http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11031211-e.html)


Below is major impact to TEPCO's facilities due to the Miyagiken-Oki
Earthquake that occurred yesterday at 2:46PM.
*new items are underlined

[Nuclear Power Station]
***ushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station:
Units 1 to 3: shutdown due to earthquake
Units 4 to 6: outage due to regular inspection
* Evacuation has been instructed by the national government to the local
residents within 10 km radius of ***ushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station
and ***ushima Daini Nuclear Power Station.
* Measurement of radioactive material (Iodine, etc.) by monitoring car
indicates increasing value compared to normal level. One of the
monitoring posts is also indicating higher than normal level. We will
continue monitoring discharge of radioactive material from exhaust stack
and discharge canal, etc.
* We have decided to implement measures to reduce the pressure of the
reactor containment vessel for those units that cannot confirm certain
level of water injection by the Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System,
in order to fully secure safety.
TEPCO =Tokyo Electric Power Company

[Fred259]

Oh hell. According to official sources the nuclear reactor has gone into meltdown.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHmoEG_hEs0



Where did you see this teakai?

I Hope this is not some fear monger, because it sure has scared me. I have a lot of family on the west coast. What news source was this, do you know?


Well yes it is benevolent crow. It’s quite wide of the truth. According to reports here in the UK BBC & Sky News the Japanese authorities have released some pressure from the reactor core to atmosphere in order to manage the situation. This sounds quite sensible, according to industry commentators here. So no it hasn’t gone into meltdown.

Reports say Japan has one of the most advanced nuclear industries, so I’m sure they have trained for this before. The US Air Force is also flying in supplies according to Mrs Clinton.

[benevolentcrow]

Thank you Fred, I wish folks would research these things more before posting. My heart can jump to my throat if I think my family is in danger. I am usually a calm person. I guess we all have been a little on edge today. So sad for the folks in Japan my heart goes out to them.

[Fred259]

Indeed it is, the scenes of the water engulfing farmland and everything in its path is quite devastating.

[bennycog]

Volcano in Japan is active now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44LaGiPD-Ms

I hadn't noticed if somebody had already out it up.
((((((((((((((((((((((((((((:hug:))))))))))))))))) )))))))))))) to all people in Japan. I can't stop thinking about you guys.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110311/...esia_volcano_1
– Fri Mar 11, 6:53 am ET
JAKARTA, Indonesia – One of Indonesia's most active volcanos has erupted, sending lava and searing gas clouds tumbling down its slopes.

Volcanology official Agus Budianto said Friday that authorities were still trying to evacuate residents living along the slopes of Mount Karangetang.

There were no immediate reports of injuries or serious damage.

The 5,853-foot (1,784-meter) mountain is located on Siau, part of the Sulawesi island chain. It last erupted in August, killing four people.



http://planetsave.com/2011/03/11/jap...ion-in-russia/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVVKA...layer_embedded
In the Russian Far East, there has been a strong volcanic eruption. The air got a great cloud of volcanic dust, which can pose a threat to air traffic in the region.

Local experts warn that, dust can rise up to a height of seven kilometers.

Explosions were accompanied by minor earthquakes. Russian service monitoring the activity of cones, however, ensure that the implemented measures guarantee the safety of residents of neighboring towns.

According to Russian media reports, the first cloud of dust covered the city of Ust-Kamczatsk. Over five thousand people are forced to stay at home. The authorities have recommended the strict ban on opening windows.

[Teakai]

Official reports deny this, but my gut feeling tells me that it's a precarious situation to say the least, and the fat lady isn't even close to singing yet....

Love and light in abundance to Japan, and especially the areas around the affected nuclear reactors.... :(

Stay strong!

Excerpt: "Tokyo (CNN) -- Reactors at two Japanese power plants can no longer cool radioactive substances, a government official said Saturday, adding that a small leak had been detected at one of the facilities."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/11/japan.nuclear/index.html?hpt=T1

[Fred259]

Official reports deny this, but my gut feeling tells me that it's a precarious situation to say the least, and the fat lady isn't even close to singing yet....

Love and light in abundance to Japan, and especially the areas around the affected nuclear reactors.... :(

Stay strong!

Excerpt: "Tokyo (CNN) -- Reactors at two Japanese power plants can no longer cool radioactive substances, a government official said Saturday, adding that a small leak had been detected at one of the facilities."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/11/japan.nuclear/index.html?hpt=T1

Oyyyy get on with the ironing you…………….. a small leak, OK I’m sure they have it in hand, how is a small leak going to get into the Jet stream and even if it does the JS is at 30,000 ft so it will blow over the pole and dissipate…

[Teakai]

Where did you see this teakai?

Sorry, Sllim - I keep forgetting to add links to you tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHmoEG_hEs0

The CNN source link is in the info under the video on his channel.

There is also part of a message from one of his subscribers who works at a nuclear facility.



¤=[Post Update]=¤



Oyyyy get on with the ironing you…………….. a small leak, OK I’m sure they have it in hand, how is a small leak going to get into the Jet stream and even if it does the JS is at 30,000 ft so it will blow over the pole and dissipate…

Are you serious, Fred?

[Fred259]

Where did you see this teakai?

Sorry, Sllim - I keep forgetting to add links to you tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHmoEG_hEs0

The CNN source link is in the info under the video on his channel.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Oyyyy get on with the ironing you…………….. a small leak, OK I’m sure they have it in hand, how is a small leak going to get into the Jet stream and even if it does the JS is at 30,000 ft so it will blow over the pole and dissipate…

Are you serious, Fred?

Ironing you……….this is the problem, women and machinery should not mix.!

You should be tarred and feathered……

[Teakai]

Well yes it is benevolent crow. It’s quite wide of the truth. According to reports here in the UK BBC & Sky News the Japanese authorities have released some pressure from the reactor core to atmosphere in order to manage the situation. This sounds quite sensible, according to industry commentators here. So no it hasn’t gone into meltdown.

Reports say Japan has one of the most advanced nuclear industries, so I’m sure they have trained for this before. The US Air Force is also flying in supplies according to Mrs Clinton.

The thing is Fred - if the media say that the nuclear reactor has gone into meltdown it makes people freak out, but, if they say that they are no longer able to cool the reactor, people don't realise that it means that the nuclear reactor has gone into meltown and they are calmer about it.

Keeping in mind the news didn't even report all the earthquakes prior to the big ones.
Our abc news hadn't reported on the Russian volcano or the Japan volcano when I last looked.

So - I would be wary about trusting the official version to keep people all that informed.

Of course CNN could be full of it. Didn't they report the fall of one of the 911 buildings before it actually fell? Still - it did fall eventually.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Ironing you……….this is the problem, women and machinery should not mix.!

You should be tarred and feathered……

Actually - me and ironing do not mix. You should be tarred and feathered for even saying such a thing :)

[FearNot]

...........

[Fred259]

Well yes it is benevolent crow. It’s quite wide of the truth. According to reports here in the UK BBC & Sky News the Japanese authorities have released some pressure from the reactor core to atmosphere in order to manage the situation. This sounds quite sensible, according to industry commentators here. So no it hasn’t gone into meltdown.

Reports say Japan has one of the most advanced nuclear industries, so I’m sure they have trained for this before. The US Air Force is also flying in supplies according to Mrs Clinton.

The thing is Fred - if the media say that the nuclear reactor has gone into meltdown it makes people freak out, but, if they say that they are no longer able to cool the reactor, people don't realise that it means that the nuclear reactor has gone into meltown and they are calmer about it.

Keeping in mind the news didn't even report all the earthquakes prior to the big ones.
Our abc news hadn't reported on the Russian volcano or the Japan volcano when I last looked.

So - I would be wary about trusting the official version to keep people all that informed.

Of course CNN could be full of it. Didn't they report the fall of one of the 911 buildings before it actually fell? Still - it did fall eventually.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Ironing you……….this is the problem, women and machinery should not mix.!

You should be tarred and feathered……

Actually - me and ironing do not mix. You should be tarred and feathered for even saying such a thing :)

I agree with you about Media manipulation but these guys sitting at home and posting on You Tube and calling themselves news outlets, come on what do they know about what’s going on.

So they have let some pressure go, rather than let it overheat, is that not sensible. The local population has been moved back 6 miles as a precaution, so how is this going to danger people in West Coast US…. It isn’t…

What’s more a concern is the volcanic ash from these eruptions, that might shut down air travel in west coast US, and around Northern Aus…

[Fred259]

http://www.ucsusa.org/

here is the site with the Union of Concerned Scientists press release and article should they publish any updates about a meltdown

excerpt:
If battery power is depleted before AC power is restored, however, the RCIC will stop supplying water to the core and the water level in the reactor core could drop. If it drops far enough, the core would overheat and the fuel would become damaged. Ultimately, a “meltdown” could occur: the core could become so hot that it forms a molten mass that melts through the steel reactor vessel. This would release a large amount of radioactivity from the vessel into the containment building that surrounds the vessel.
The containment building’s main purpose is to keep radioactivity from being released into the environment. A meltdown would build up pressure in the containment building. At this point we do not know if the earthquake damaged the containment building enough to undermine its ability to contain the pressure and allow radioactivity to leak out.

Well Ok that’s true, but Im sure they are trying to restore AC power, if they don’t I’m certain they can fly in or truck in temporary standby AC power until they get the main generators going…Come on folks this is Japan, they are serious engineers if it was Zimbabwe yes I would understand your concern…

[Teakai]

I agree with you about Media manipulation but these guys sitting at home and posting on You Tube and calling themselves news outlets, come on what do they know about what’s going on.


Again - are you serious?
I've gotten a hellavu lot more 'news' from you tube in a few months than I have in years of listening to the TV.

And I posted the link to the CNN story where the information came from. He didn't make it up he just passed it on. What is it you're disputing here?

[ThePythonicCow]

Easy guys and gals. This earthquake is important. Let's not get distracted with who does the ironing and who best reports the news ;)

[Ross]

As far as what caused the quake, and what caused the whirlpool, can we all agree that it is: unknown?

I dont care who says what, the fact is, none of us know = no theory can be ruled out due to the scientific concensus.

To SKI: Im not trying to panic you, but right about now, Id be packing up and heading for the hills ( as long as the hill isnt a volcano).

Love and peace to you from CA brother.

Ok...whether this was induced with help of humand hands or not....Personally I say not.

To boundary plates grinding past each other....one plate grinding under the other, pushing under it. This always happens...sometimes they get "stuck" then they become "unstuck" suddenly, this was the cause of this earthquake...the energy released was that of an 8.9 magnitude measurment; this is equal to 336 megatons or 1.41 EJ (Exajoule) (10^18 Joules)....1 Megaton (1,000,000 metric tonnes) ...This quake produced a serious amount of energy!

Whirlpools (Eddys or water sink hole) happen because of the interaction between rushing water and the geology of the coastline and seafloor. Whirlpools aren't unusual after waves of this size. Infact, if you research you can find past sightings of such things...again, it has to be a large Tsunami to create such a massive eddy (Whirlpool).

Edit:

Aftershock: A cloud of smaller Earthquakes around ruptured fault, releasing stress added by Earthquake.

Triggered shock: Stress added by initial Earthquake pushes a nearby, already stressed fault over the point of rupture.

An aftershock can overlap with triggered rupture on an already stressed fault.

Regards

Ross

[Fred259]

I agree with you about Media manipulation but these guys sitting at home and posting on You Tube and calling themselves news outlets, come on what do they know about what’s going on.


Again - are you serious?
I've gotten a hellavu lot more 'news' from you tube in a few months than I have in years of listening to the TV.

And I posted the link to the CNN story where the information came from. He didn't make it up he just passed it on. What is it you're disputing here?

Yes I am serious Teaks, Its junk I could sit in my bedroom and put our rubbish like that, what training have they had O.

If you want the honest answer without offending the Americans, I wouldn’t even trust CNN.

Get some serious guys on instead of these Muppets sitting at home.

Here you go..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219

[Anchor]

From the "intention" thread...


Reactor cores *can* be cooled in ways that scientists cannot yet explain - it happened to Chernobyl's one. I think ET helped.

It may take a few days. Every day - cool it - quiet the furnace.

Keep at it - don't get disheartened if it doesn't stop immediately - because it may not.

Don't forget the other areas that will need your help as well.

The media is going to try to scare the living crap out of as many people as possible with this.

Don't feel that - its a choice.

Hold onto your core confidence - and you will carry those around you as well

It is bad, but keep up the efforts to cool it - we can - set the intent, let the universe do its thing.

This is the best we can do - because we are not there.

Fear will blunt your edge.

John..

[Teakai]

Yes I am serious Teaks, Its junk I could sit in my bedroom and put our rubbish like that, what training have they had O.

If you want the honest answer without offending the Americans, I wouldn’t even trust CNN.

Get some serious guys on instead of these Muppets sitting at home.

Here you go..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219

What training do you need to collate information? This guy located the HAARP facility in the Nevada desert just by paying attention.
And we all know the mainstream media gives out controlled propganda rather than actual news.

Sure, there are some people who don't know what they're doing and just rabbiting on on you tube - but I guess we each need to trust our own discernment in regard to the information we get.

I've watched a lot of this guys videos and find him very on the ball.

[Fred259]

BBC London 01.26 UTC



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12711707 < Video in here.

Japanese authorities have declared a state of emergency at two nuclear power plants, after Friday's devastating earthquake caused malfunctions.

Cooling systems inside several reactors at the ***ushima 1 and 2 power plants have stopped working properly, leading to a build-up of pressure.

Thousands of people have been ordered to evacuate the area near the plants.

Technicians are starting to release vapour to lower the pressure in some of the reactors.

Some of the released gases could be radioactive, but officials insisted the procedure would pose no risk to the public.

Radioactivity levels in the control room of the ***ushima 1 plant were reportedly running at 1,000 times normal.

The earthquake knocked out the power supply to the plants, which then automatically shut down.

But it seems that back-up generators at ***ushima 1 designed to power the plant's basic functions also failed.

Two reactors at the ***ushima 1 plant were left without sufficient cooling.

And officials later said they were unable to control the cooling systems in three reactors at ***ushima 2 plant, 11km (seven miles) south of ***ushima 1.

Wind factor

Under Japanese law, an emergency must be declared if a cooling system fails, if there is a release of radiation, or if there is a dangerous level of water in the reactor.

Prime Minister Naoto Kan declared the emergency. He announced the evacuations after visiting the plant.

AFFECTED POWER PLANTS.

Onagawa - all three reactors shut down automatically.

***ushima Daiichi - reactors 1,2 and 3 shut down automatically; reactors 4,5 and 6 were not in operation; reactor 1 and one other were not cooling as expected.

***ushima Daini - all four reactors shut down automatically, three experiencing cooling problems.

Tokai - single operational reactor shut down automatically.

Defence officials said troops trained in chemical disasters had been sent to the plants in case of a radiation leak.

Earlier, the authorities say they are taking wind direction into account when planning the release of radioactive vapour, which they insist would not be in quantities big enough to affect human health.

"It's possible that radioactive material in the reactor vessel could leak outside but the amount is expected to be small and the wind blowing towards the sea will be considered," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano told a news conference.

The six reactors at ***ushima 1 came online in the 1970s; ***ushima 2 has four reactors, built during the 1980s.

All nuclear facilities in Japan are designed to withstand earthquakes.

But experts say there appears to have been multiple failures at the ***ushima facilities, raising serious questions about the safety of Japan's reactors.

The reactors at ***ushima 1 are Boiling Water Reactors (BWR), one of the most commonly used designs, and widely used throughout Japan's fleet of nuclear power stations.

Heat is produced by a nuclear reaction in the core, causing the water to boil, producing steam. The steam is directly used to drive a turbine, after which it is cooled in a condenser and converted back to water. The water is then pumped back into reactor core, completing the loop.

In total, the country has 55 reactors providing about one-third of the nation's electricity.

[Fred259]

Novosti Press Agency - Moscow - 04.30UTC


An 8.9-magnitude earthquake and subsequent tsunami claimed the lives of hundreds of people in Japan, devastating some areas and echoing worldwide.

"As of 09:00 local time (00:00 GMT), 236 people were killed and 725 are missing, 1,028 received injuries of varying degrees," a police source said.

The NHK channel said the death toll nears 400, with more than 700 people missing.

The tremor, the most powerful ever recorded in Japan, affected nine prefectures. The tsunami wave which followed was up to ten meters high and swept away houses and cars. Japanese authorities estimate the overall death toll to be well above 1,000.

Many coastal areas in Pacific, Southeast Asia and Latin America, including Russia, Indonesia, New Zealand, Chile and the Philippines, were put on tsunami alert.

The quake also caused Asian stocks to tumble. The Nikkei Stock Average fell 1.7% to 10254.43, its lowest close since January 31. The Hong Kong Hang Seng index fell 1.6%, and South Korea's Composite index fell 1.3%, the Wall Street Journal said.

Experts say that, according to preliminary calculations, the earthquake probably shifted the figure axis of the Earth by 15 cm and made earthday 1.6 microseconds shorter.

Russia braces for more waves

A four-meter tsunami wave forced evacuation of about 11,000 at Kuril Islands in the Russian Far East, but no serious damage was recorded. Russian experts say more waves may strike the Kuril Archipelago and the Sakhalin Island.

"The tsunami alert remains in force for southern Kurils and the south of the Sakhalin island, our experts expect more tremors and are on high alert," the head of the Russian Hydrometeorological Center, Alexander Frolov, said in an interview with Russia's Rossiya 24 TV channel.

The earthquake may also trigger volcanic and seismic activity in the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin, which are part of the Pacific Ring of Fire.

Neither the tremor, nor the tsunami affected infrastructure objects being built for the 2012 Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit to be held in Russia's Vladivostok, architects said.

Supermoon blamed

Experts in Russia and worldwide attribute the quake to increased solar activity and the 'supermoon' phenomenon.

Next week the Earth will witness the so-called "supermoon phenomenon," when the Moon will be at its closest, at just about 356,600 km (some 221,500 miles). Some scientists say the natural satellite's gravitational pull may affect tectonic activity and tidal waves.

"By studying powerful quakes in Chile, Sumatra and Haiti, we discovered that a certain factor was important, namely the influence of tidal waves. The thing is that the quakes occurred below the ocean bed, and tidal waves may have been the cause," Russian astronomer Leonid Zotov said.

"Taking into consideration a weak link between Moon orbit and earthquakes we might possibly expect a slight increase in seismic activity around March 19. But fears of something catastrophic are groundless," his colleague Vladimir Surdin said.

Other scientists say the link between Moon's position and seismic activity on the Earth was too subtle to be taken into consideration.

"Influence of that kind seems highly unlikely to me," said seismologist and geologist Alexander Marakhanov. "Maybe there is some kind of interaction, but it is very difficult to establish the direct link between these two events."

Scientists say there is a "traditional candidate" to be blamed for the disaster - a less powerful earthquake which occurred near Japan's largest Honshu Island several days ago.

Earthday becomes shorter

The quake probably shifted the figure axis of the planet by 15 cm and made earthday 1.6 microseconds shorter, NASA scientist Richard Gross told RIA Novosti. Italian scientists said on Friday that the figure axis shifted by 10 cm.

Russian astronomer Leonid Zotov said the statements are unlikely to be ever proved in practice.

"No one ever managed to trace and record such changes," he said. "No official data was ever presented to confirm such reports."

Nuclear leak feared

Several nuclear plants along the Japanese coast were also partially shut down.

Gennady Onishchenko, Russia's chief sanitary official, ordered to use all available equipment to monitor radiation levels in Russian Far East as emergency situation was declared at two Japanese nuclear power plants.

According to the most recent measurements in Russia's Kamchatka Peninsula, radiation levels were normal.

Increased radiation levels were registered at the ***ushima-1 nuclear plant in northeast Japan as power shortages caused the reactor to overheat, the Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) said. People living within the 10-km range from the plant were told to evacuate.

In some parts of the plant, radiation levels rose up to 1,000 times above the norm, and are about eight times above the norm outside the station, the Kyodo news agency said on Saturday.

Later on, the state of emergency was also declared after a cooling system of three reactor units failed at the neighboring ***ushima-2 NPP, just some 12 km from ***ushima-1, Associated Press said.

Kyodo also reported explosions at two major Nissan factories and a fire in a turbine building at the Onagawa nuclear power plant in the Miyagi prefecture. There was also a fire at an oil refinery in Ichihara city in the Chiba prefecture near Tokyo.

Russian tourists found, student reported missing

Ten Russian tourists, who went missing after the quake, were found, a spokeswoman for the Russian union of travel industry said.

The tourists, who were part of a group of 18 travelling with the Vand International travel company, will fly to Moscow at 5:30 local time on Saturday.

The Russian embassy in Tokyo is trying to establish contact with a Russian student, who was studying in the tsunami-hit city of Sendai.

"There are no reports that any Russians were killed or injured in the quake," a source in the Russian embassy said.



MOSCOW, March 12 (RIA Novosti)

[panopticon]

G'day All,

Just an aside from this witty banter.
I don't know whether I even need to post this from Space Weather (http://www.spaceweather.com/) but here ya go:

UPDATE (March 10 @ 1800 UT): Newly-arriving coronagraph data from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory show no bright CME emerging from this eruption. Some material was surely hurled in our direction, but probably not enough for significant Earth-effects.
I am unsure as to whether these events are linked (I haven't looked into it as of yet any takers?) however the coincidence is at the least interesting. Specially given the mild geomagnetic storm event we are currently in (http://www.n3kl.org/sun/noaa.html).

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[Nat_Lee]

To SKIBADABOMSKI and all Poeple in Japan,

I wish you LOVE ......................

http://www.ursulines-uc.com/images/accueil/poeme-amour-coeur1.jpg

MAY all the GREAT and god's ANGELS be with you:

http://unpeudebonheur.u.n.pic.centerblog.net/q2fccdbd.jpg

[Fred259]

BBC Live 24hr Continuous News feed


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10318089




05.30 UTC BBC report the plant May be experiencing meltdown. BBC are unable to confirm report.

[Teakai]

How's it going Ski?

I've just checked the USGS 3D map and there have just been constant aftershocks - so many over 5's, some 6's and I think there was even a 7. You guy's must be utterly exhausted.

Did you manage to get any sleep using your motorcycle helmet for a pillow?

[Hervé]

Whirlpool

Ross, thank you for the data.


Ross
Re: THAT WAS MASSIVE 8.9 in Japan (Tsunami)

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Whirlpools (Eddys or water sink hole) happen because of the interaction between rushing water and the geology of the coastline and seafloor. Whirlpools aren't unusual after waves of this size. Infact, if you research you can find past sightings of such things...again, it has to be a large Tsunami to create such a massive eddy (Whirlpool).


Regards

Ross

If you watch the video posted by Gaia, you'll see the whirlpool is being created by the geometry of the harbor's jetties controlling the tsunami inflow.


Gaia Yesterday 09:59 #80

Has anything like this be filmed/seen before ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU8zyscGWe4&feature=player_embedded

Anyone ?

Looks to me like a fault opened up , and the water is running down into it under the plate. Id like to know if it stops or not naturally.


So, from the looks of it, no major fault, sinkhole or portal; just the wave gushing within into the harbor.

Later videos of the scene cut out that important overview... one wonders (may be not) why?

[Dennis Jonathan]

I remember my 6th grade earth science / Geology 101 lessons as well, but doesnt the hollow earth theory dispute these "facts"?

Not saying which is right, just saying that the earth was flat...until it turned out it wasnt :P.



As far as what caused the quake, and what caused the whirlpool, can we all agree that it is: unknown?

I dont care who says what, the fact is, none of us know = no theory can be ruled out due to the scientific concensus.

To SKI: Im not trying to panic you, but right about now, Id be packing up and heading for the hills ( as long as the hill isnt a volcano).

Love and peace to you from CA brother.

Ok...whether this was induced with help of humand hands or not....Personally I say not.

To boundary plates grinding past each other....one plate grinding under the other, pushing under it. This always happens...sometimes they get "stuck" then they become "unstuck" suddenly, this was the cause of this earthquake...the energy released was that of an 8.9 magnitude measurment; this is equal to 336 megatons or 1.41 EJ (Exajoule) (10^18 Joules)....1 Megaton (1,000,000 metric tonnes) ...This quake produced a serious amount of energy!

Whirlpools (Eddys or water sink hole) happen because of the interaction between rushing water and the geology of the coastline and seafloor. Whirlpools aren't unusual after waves of this size. Infact, if you research you can find past sightings of such things...again, it has to be a large Tsunami to create such a massive eddy (Whirlpool).

Edit:

Aftershock: A cloud of smaller Earthquakes around ruptured fault, releasing stress added by Earthquake.

Triggered shock: Stress added by initial Earthquake pushes a nearby, already stressed fault over the point of rupture.

An aftershock can overlap with triggered rupture on an already stressed fault.

Regards

Ross

[FrankoL]

OMG...I am still positive that in a week time this nightmare will end....and everything will go back to normal.

[witchy1]

I was looking for a meltdown explanation I could understand and found this one"

It is impossible for any PWR or LWR nuclear reactor to explode like an atomic bomb. This is because in order for an uncontrolled chain reaction to occur that is similar to an atom bomb, the uranium fuel must be extremely enriched, much more than the 4% 235U that is present in regular, commercial nuclear reactor fuel. So, if it can't explode, what does happen in a nuclear reactor?

The answer is what is called a meltdown. When a meltdown occurs in a reactor, the reactor "melts". That is, the temperature rises in the core so much that the fuel rods actually turn to liquid, like ice turns into water when heated.

If the core continued to heat, the reactor would get so hot that the steel walls of the core would also melt. In a complete reactor meltdown, the extremely hot (about 2700� Celsius) molten uranium fuel rods would melt through the bottom of the reactor and actually sink about 50 feet into the earth beneath the power plant. The molten uranium would react with groundwater, producing large explosions of radioactive steam and debris that would affect nearby towns and population centers.


In general a nuclear meltdown would occurr if the reactor loses its coolant. This is what occured in the two disasters that we will discuss. Without coolant, the core's temperature would rise, resulting in the meltdown scenario we explained above.
You may be wondering, "Why can't they just drop the control rods in the reactor if it starts to get out of control?". The answer is that they can. The problem is that, even if the control rods are completely dropped in and the nuclear chain reaction stops, the reactor is still extremely hot and will not cool down unless coolant is put back in. The residual heat and the heat produced from the decay of the fission products are enough to drive the core's temperature up even if the nuclear chain reaction stops.

http://library.thinkquest.org/17940/texts/nuclear_disasters/nuclear_disasters.html

As said before the States sent some coolant over. I dont know if this will be enough given the residual heat produced. Do we have any nuke experts here - Is this what we could expect if the power is turned off

Addit:
18.55pm: An official with Japan's nuclear safety commission says that a meltdown at nuclear power plant affected by the country's massive earthquake is possible.

Ryohei Shiomi said officials were checking whether a meltdown had taken place at the ***ushima Dai-ichi power plant.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/4759953/Japan-earthquake-and-tsunami-latest-updates

[Dennis Jonathan]

Just broke on drudge:

"may be experiencing nuclear meltdown"

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/77025.html

Edit:

Sending cool thoughts - thx John.

[Ross]

I remember my 6th grade earth science / Geology 101 lessons as well, but doesnt the hollow earth theory dispute these "facts"?

Not saying which is right, just saying that the earth was flat...until it turned out it wasnt :P.



As far as what caused the quake, and what caused the whirlpool, can we all agree that it is: unknown?

I dont care who says what, the fact is, none of us know = no theory can be ruled out due to the scientific concensus.

To SKI: Im not trying to panic you, but right about now, Id be packing up and heading for the hills ( as long as the hill isnt a volcano).

Love and peace to you from CA brother.

Ok...whether this was induced with help of humand hands or not....Personally I say not.

To boundary plates grinding past each other....one plate grinding under the other, pushing under it. This always happens...sometimes they get "stuck" then they become "unstuck" suddenly, this was the cause of this earthquake...the energy released was that of an 8.9 magnitude measurment; this is equal to 336 megatons or 1.41 EJ (Exajoule) (10^18 Joules)....1 Megaton (1,000,000 metric tonnes) ...This quake produced a serious amount of energy!

Whirlpools (Eddys or water sink hole) happen because of the interaction between rushing water and the geology of the coastline and seafloor. Whirlpools aren't unusual after waves of this size. Infact, if you research you can find past sightings of such things...again, it has to be a large Tsunami to create such a massive eddy (Whirlpool).

Edit:

Aftershock: A cloud of smaller Earthquakes around ruptured fault, releasing stress added by Earthquake.

Triggered shock: Stress added by initial Earthquake pushes a nearby, already stressed fault over the point of rupture.

An aftershock can overlap with triggered rupture on an already stressed fault.

Regards

Ross

Until I see evidence (factual) of the hollow Earth theory, or any other similiar theory, I will side with the Geologist, who spend 30+ year careers studing the earth, internally and above ground. Who are experts in their fields. These are smart Men and Woman. These peoples can produce data, evidence, to support their 'expertise' regardless of possible surpressed information/data.

I agree totally that Man has often got it wrong in his pursuit of "How things are" equating to "this IS how things are". Not all areas of Science and Physics is bogus information.

Regards

Ross

[Fred259]

BBC London 12 March 2011 Last updated at 05:45 UTC

A mammoth relief mission is swinging into action in north-east Japan, a day after a devastating earthquake and tsunami claimed hundreds of lives.

Whole villages have been washed away and at least one town has been largely destroyed. Police said 215,000 people have fled their homes.

The tsunami was triggered by Japan's biggest earthquake since records began.

Meanwhile nuclear officials said they were checking whether a damaged reactor had gone into meltdown.The government had earlier declared a state of emergency at five nuclear reactors as cooling systems failed.

Analysts say a meltdown would not necessarily lead to a major disaster because light-water reactors would not explode even if they overheated.


Roland Buerk

BBC News, Tokyo

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It was only when the sun came up that a more complete picture of devastation began to become a little bit more clear.

From the air it was clear that what had been paddy fields and villages are now sea-water lagoons. The water came in with the tsunami in some places and hasn't gone out again. It must have been very difficult for rescuers to get to those areas during the night.

The scale of the devastation has become clearer too. Overnight we heard snippets of information - 300 bodies found in one ward of one city. In another town, 300 homes engulfed by a wave that came in at rooftop height. Now local media are reporting that a town in Iwate prefecture, home of 23,000 people, has been largely destroyed.

The 8.9-magnitude tremor struck in the afternoon local time on Friday off the coast of Honshu island at a depth of about 24km, 400km (250 miles) north-east of Tokyo.

It was nearly 8,000 times stronger than last month's quake in New Zealand that devastated the city of Christchurch, scientists said.

Japanese police told Kyodo news agency 398 people are confirmed to have died and 805 more are missing; other media outlets put the death toll above 400.

The country's military has mobilised thousands of troops, 300 planes and 40 ships for the relief effort.

Prime Minister Naoto Kan visited the disaster zone by helicopter early on Saturday.

[Dennis Jonathan]

Fair enough Ross. I can agree with that.

[ThePythonicCow]

Based on the article at Tsunami warning center raises magnitude of Japan quake to 9.1 (http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/Tsunami_warning_center_raises_magnitude_of_Japan_quake_to_91.html), I am changing this thread's title once again, from 8.9 to 9.1.

[Teakai]

Bloody hell, seriously 9.1!!!!

[truthseekerdan]

Based on the article at Tsunami warning center raises magnitude of Japan quake to 9.1 (http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/Tsunami_warning_center_raises_magnitude_of_Japan_quake_to_91.html), I am changing this thread's title once again, from 8.9 to 9.1.

Guess they like those numbers... Hope it's not going to be elevated to 9.11 ;)

[InCiDeR]

Jesus and all other profund beings. We have to stay on focus people! Let there be cool. Have anyone heard from SKI lately?

http://filosofen79.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/japan-forever.jpg?w=300&h=212

Japanese spiritus in / InCiDeR

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Hi everyone,

I'm 300km away from the F.U.Kushima plant.

There are 5 of us and the roads and hotels are a no no.. but we have a big van, our houses are not exactly air-proof. Old wooden type. Don't know what to do..
If it leaks or blows up or whatever I have no chance.. or do I.. any advice or information would be really helpful.

Now I don't give monkeys ass about the aftershocks .. in fact when one comes I do a little dance. It's just this nuclear plant stuff.. what can you do against that?
I'm now watching these kids playing in the street ..without a care in the world. How refreshing to see. I turn inside and I'm faced with a huge dilemma. Can't run
and can't hide from this so I can only wait. I really hope my instincts to just stay put is the best choice.

What do you think? I'm going to seriously shove all my energy to save this plant....

Love and light

Ski-

EDIT: Thank you ,thank you very much for those links and yes I agree the media is seriously fear mongering and seem to look delighted that more chaos could be brewing. Yes meltdown sorry.. I have never studied how nuclear plants run and I don't give a dam about them. The Japanese might be brave with earthquakes but nuclear dramas really get them panicked for reasons that don't need to be explained.
I have done the swap with my misses and I had some rest and woke up to her in a right state.. It took a few hours but she's now sleeping. I watched over her going to sleep and I teared up as I noticed she had dried tear marks on her cheeks.

[Gajanana]

Whater ever vibes we can send are on thier way in a constant flow. as for advice.... follow your instincts/intuition. its all I can offer, but loaded with good intention. The news reporters are realling hamming the nuclear thing, its creating fear, we have to overcome that, repel the negative vibes. we can feel sad, but still have to pump out the positive energy to help.

Om Shanti - Gajanana :grouphug:

[truthseekerdan]

Beloved Ski, just try not to succumb to fear or be negative. Negativity attracts negativity. You and everybody there are protected by higher powers -- have faith. :pray:

Namaste ~ Dan ♥

[Ross]

Based on the article at Tsunami warning center raises magnitude of Japan quake to 9.1 (http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/Tsunami_warning_center_raises_magnitude_of_Japan_quake_to_91.html), I am changing this thread's title once again, from 8.9 to 9.1.

Hi all,

Lastnight I saw a 8.9, then an 8.8 then an 8.4 then revised to 8.9. The same Quake.

The Japanese "shindo" scale for measuring earthquakes is more commonly used in Japan than the Richter scale to describe earthquakes. Shindo refers to the intensity of an earthquake at a given location, i.e. what people actually feel at a given location, while the Richter scale measures the magnitude of an earthquake, i.e. the energy an earthquake releases at the epicenter.

The shindo scale ranges from shindo one, a slight earthquake felt only by people who are not moving, to shindo seven, a severe earthquake. Shindo two to four are still minor earthquakes that do not cause damage, while objects start to fall at shindo five, and heavier damage occurs at shindo six and seven.


So...this may be the cause of some confusion...nevertheless...this quake is a monster.

Regards

Ross

[InCiDeR]

How to protect yourself against nuclear radiation

Just in case......

In 1945, at the time of the atomic bombing of Japan, Tatsuichiro Akizuki, M.D. was Director of the Department of Internal Medicine at St. Francis's Hospital in Nagasaki. Most patients in the hospital, located one mile from the center of the blast, survived the initial effects of the bomb, but soon after came down with symptoms of radiation sickness from the fallout that has been released.

Dr. Akizuki fed his staff and patients a strict diet of brown rice, miso and tamari soy soup, wakame, kombu and other seaweed, Hokkaido pumpkin, and sea salt and prohibited the consumption of sugar and sweets.

As a result, he saved everyone in his hospital, while many other survivors perished from radiation sickness.

Source: Tatsuichiro Akuziki, M.D. Nagasaki 1945, London Quarter books, 1981. (Brown rice, miso, Sea vegetables, Salt)

In 1968 Canadian researchers reported that sea vegetables contained a polysaccharide substance that selectively bound radioactive strontium and helped eliminate it from the body. In laboratory experiments, sodium alginate prepared from kelp, kombu, and other brown seaweeds off the Atlantic and pacific coasts was introduced along with strontium and calcium into rats. The reduction of radioactive particles in bone uptake, measured in the femur, reached as high as 80%, with little interference with calcium absorption.

The evaluation of biological activity of different marine algae is important because of their practical significance in preventing absorption of radioactive products of atomic fission as well as in their use as possible natural decontaminators.
Source: Y. Tanaka et. Al. " Studies on Inhibition of Intestinal Absorption of Radioactive Strontium", Canadian Medical Association Journal 99: 169-75. (Sea Vegetables)


WHOLE GRAINS PROTECT IN FIVE WAYS

Whole grains help to protect us from the deleterious health effects of radiation exposure in five ways:

1) Grains are low on the food chain. Although they may have been exposed to pollution and radiation, they do not have the concentration of contaminants that is found in meat and large fish, which are at the top of the food chain.

2) Important with respect to radiation protection is the high fiber and phosphorous contents in grains. The binding ability of these substances helps the body to remove poisons.

3) The bulking factor of grains lessens the intestinal transit time and so hasten the elimination of all toxins.

4) Being neither very acid nor very alkaline, grains help us to maintain the middle-range pH that has been found to increase our resistance to radiation.

5) Whole grains provide vitamin B6, which is indispensable for the thymus. In addition, their calcium content guards against uptake of radioactive strontium, and their vitamin E and selenium prevent cellular damage caused by free radicals.
(Ed: when the body lacks calcium it replaces it with srontium, a radioactive element. Both have identical atomic structures. The intake of refined/simple sugar/dairy products are the main causes of this depletion of calcium) (Identical structure Strontium and Calcium (pdf file))


THE FOODS BETTER TO AVOID

1) Refined, genetic modified and processed foods

2) Fatty foods (meat, dairy products)

3) Simple sugars (white sugar), soft drinks

Source: Diet for the Atomic Age by Sara Shannon-Avery Publishing Group Inc., Wayne, New Jersey.

The products mentioned in this message are available in most of the health stores.



Read more:

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/health/radiation.htm

[Teakai]

Hi everyone,

I'm 300km away from the F.U.Kushima plant.

There are 5 of us and the roads and hotels are a no no.. but we have a big van, our houses are not exactly air-proof. Old wooden type. Don't know what to do..
If it leaks or blows up or whatever I have no chance.. or do I.. any advice or information would be really helpful.

Now I don't give monkeys ass about the aftershocks .. in fact when one comes I do a little dance. It's just this nuclear plant stuff.. what can you do against that?
I'm now watching these kids playing in the street ..without a care in the world. How refreshing to see. I turn inside and I'm faced with a huge dilemma. Can't run
and can't hide from this so I can only wait. I really hope my instincts to just stay put is the best choice.

What do you think? I'm going to seriously shove all my energy to save this plant....

Love and light

Ski-

From what I've read, Ski nuclear reactors don't blow - they melt.
Are you down wind - or can you get down wind?

Not much by way of advice, but know that we're all thinking of you and sending all our best thoughts.

And - what Gajanana says - follow your instincts.

(((((((((((((((((((((((((BIG GIANT HUGS))))))))))))))))))))))))) and lots of positive vibes your way. Our thoughts are right there with you.

I found this - it may have some useful advice. I didn't check it out myself first.

http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm

[InCiDeR]

Shielding design

Shielding reduces the intensity of radiation exponentially depending on the thickness.

This means when added thicknesses are used, the shielding multiplies. For example, a practical shield in a fallout shelter is ten halving-thicknesses of packed dirt, which is 90 cm (3 ft) of dirt. This reduces gamma rays by a factor of 1/1,024, which is 1/2 multiplied by itself ten times. Halving thicknesses of some materials, that reduce gamma ray intensity by 50% (1/2) include[2] (see also Kearney, ref):

Material Halving Thickness, inches Halving Thickness, cm Density, g/cm³ Halving Mass, g/cm²

lead 0.4 1.0 11.3 12
concrete 2.4 6.1 3.33 20
steel 0.99 2.5 7.86 20
packed soil 3.6 9.1 1.99 18
water 7.2 18 1.00 18
lumber or other wood 11 29 0.56 16
depleted uranium 0.08 0.2 19.1 3.9
air 6000 15000 0.0012 18

Column Halving Mass in the chart above indicates mass of material, required to cut radiation by 50%, in grams per square centimetre of protected area.

The effectiveness of a shielding material in general increases with its density.

[TheTwo]

Hi everyone,

I'm 300km away from the F.U.Kushima plant.

There are 5 of us and the roads and hotels are a no no.. but we have a big van, our houses are not exactly air-proof. Old wooden type. Don't know what to do..
If it leaks or blows up or whatever I have no chance.. or do I.. any advice or information would be really helpful.

Now I don't give monkeys ass about the aftershocks .. in fact when one comes I do a little dance. It's just this nuclear plant stuff.. what can you do against that?
I'm now watching these kids playing in the street ..without a care in the world. How refreshing to see. I turn inside and I'm faced with a huge dilemma. Can't run
and can't hide from this so I can only wait. I really hope my instincts to just stay put is the best choice.

What do you think? I'm going to seriously shove all my energy to save this plant....

Love and light

Ski-


Hi Ski,
here's a list of e-books on radiation

http://pdf-ebooks.org/ebooks/the-radiation-pdf.pdf

this is the one i was after How to Help Support Your Body's Healing After Intense Radioactive or Radiation Exposure" (http://pdf-ebooks.org/download.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radiationdetox.com%2Febook%2F0707RadiationDetox.pdf) - the introduction sounds like it could be useful.

I haven't read any of them myself, hope it never comes to you needing any of this information.

Wish you best!
Let me know if there is anything else i can help with...

EDIT:

I was 350km away from Chernobil when it blew up, my parents(nor anyone else) were aware about the accident until 3 days after. I spent lots of time outside during those 3 days, so as most of my friends and family. Everyone is still alive and doing better every day. Human body can deal with radiation... whatever happens, don't panic

[Hervé]

Potassium iodide, check there:

http://www.ki4u.com/

Maintain yourself and yours well.

PS: Ooops... sorry Teakai, saw your link afterwards...

[Icecold]

Dr. Akizuki fed his staff and patients a strict diet of brown rice, miso and tamari soy soup, wakame, kombu and other seaweed, Hokkaido pumpkin, and sea salt and prohibited the consumption of sugar and sweets.


Radiation stripe iodine. This diet is high in iodine.......

[giovonni]

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/degree10/140_40.gif

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/Legends/legend.gif

they just keep coming :wacko:

[starsmoonmtns]

As far as what caused the quake, and what caused the whirlpool, can we all agree that it is: unknown?

I dont care who says what, the fact is, none of us know = no theory can be ruled out due to the scientific concensus.

To SKI: Im not trying to panic you, but right about now, Id be packing up and heading for the hills ( as long as the hill isnt a volcano).

Love and peace to you from CA brother.

Ok...whether this was induced with help of humand hands or not....Personally I say not.

To boundary plates grinding past each other....one plate grinding under the other, pushing under it. This always happens...sometimes they get "stuck" then they become "unstuck" suddenly, this was the cause of this earthquake...the energy released was that of an 8.9 magnitude measurment; this is equal to 336 megatons or 1.41 EJ (Exajoule) (10^18 Joules)....1 Megaton (1,000,000 metric tonnes) ...This quake produced a serious amount of energy!

Whirlpools (Eddys or water sink hole) happen because of the interaction between rushing water and the geology of the coastline and seafloor. Whirlpools aren't unusual after waves of this size. Infact, if you research you can find past sightings of such things...again, it has to be a large Tsunami to create such a massive eddy (Whirlpool).

Edit:

Aftershock: A cloud of smaller Earthquakes around ruptured fault, releasing stress added by Earthquake.

Triggered shock: Stress added by initial Earthquake pushes a nearby, already stressed fault over the point of rupture.

An aftershock can overlap with triggered rupture on an already stressed fault.

Regards

Ross

Sink Holes, lots and lots of sink holes the whole earth over......................just be happy you don't live where i do..... The Great Yellowstone National Park! It's been very active too, but u don't always hear about it!

I know that didn't help lift the feelings of those in Japan right now, but I tried. : )))

[Ross]

Since September 2010, Chrishchurch NZ has had around 4,500 shocks:

Aftershock: A cloud of smaller Earthquakes around ruptured fault, releasing stress added by Earthquake.

Triggered shock: Stress added by initial Earthquake pushes a nearby, already stressed fault over the point of rupture.

An aftershock can overlap with triggered rupture on an already stressed fault.

Regards

Ross

[InCiDeR]

This seems to be a pretty good guide...

UPDATE: Sorry, this seems to be same guide as Teakai post. Apologize for doublepost!

WHAT TO DO WITH LESS THAN 3 DAYS TO A NUCLEAR DISASTER!

This instructional guide is for American families preparing for imminent nuclear terrorism or nuclear attack and radioactive fallout.

Understandably, if you are reading this, you are anxious to take action right now, but to assure that what you do with your remaining time, before disaster strikes, is truly effective, you must first embrace a realistic 'Plan of Action'. Careful study of this action guide, here and now, will assure that you make the most of your available options, resources, and time, with a minimum of wasteful panic. Read it all the way through first, at least once, THEN TAKE EFFECTIVE ACTION WITH CONFIDENCE... FAST!

Guide:
http://outlands.tripod.com/3dayguide/

[panopticon]

From what I've read, Ski nuclear reactors don't blow - they melt.
Are you down wind - or can you get down wind?


G'day Teakai,

I must have missed something.
Why would Ski be best down wind?

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[Ella]

Hi everyone,

I'm 300km away from the F.U.Kushima plant.

There are 5 of us and the roads and hotels are a no no.. but we have a big van, our houses are not exactly air-proof. Old wooden type. Don't know what to do..
If it leaks or blows up or whatever I have no chance.. or do I.. any advice or information would be really helpful.

Now I don't give monkeys ass about the aftershocks .. in fact when one comes I do a little dance. It's just this nuclear plant stuff.. what can you do against that?
I'm now watching these kids playing in the street ..without a care in the world. How refreshing to see. I turn inside and I'm faced with a huge dilemma. Can't run
and can't hide from this so I can only wait. I really hope my instincts to just stay put is the best choice.

What do you think? I'm going to seriously shove all my energy to save this plant....

Love and light

Ski-

EDIT: Thank you ,thank you very much for those links and yes I agree the media is seriously fear mongering and seem to look delighted that more chaos could be brewing. Yes meltdown sorry.. I have never studied how nuclear plants run and I don't give a dam about them. The Japanese might be brave with earthquakes but nuclear dramas really get them panicked for reasons that don't need to be explained.
I have done the swap with my misses and I had some rest and woke up to her in a right state.. It took a few hours but she's now sleeping. I watched over her going to sleep and I teared up as I noticed she had dried tear marks on her cheeks.

I can't imagine how you must be felling. All I can offer to help is to say that my thoughts are with you. Stay positive and trust your instincts.

Be safe,
Ella.

[Anna]

Dear,

I have been watching and praying all day for you, your people and country and will continue to do so since the shocks are ongoing.
What I learned today besides trusting your gut that will tell you when to move:
Stuart Wilde advises to eat nori seaweed since it protects you from radiation: http://www.stuartwildeblog.com/sws-jottings
Miriam Delicado advises to start an own garden with as much heirloom seeds as possible to stop food production through oil and to be able provide for others as well: http://www.bluestarprophecy.com/blog.

You are in my heart

[FearNot]

............

[Teakai]

From what I've read, Ski nuclear reactors don't blow - they melt.
Are you down wind - or can you get down wind?


G'day Teakai,

I must have missed something.
Why would Ski be best down wind?

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Upwind?

I asked hubby which was which - I guess he wasn't very clear.

Talk about crappy advice. :confused:

Sorry Ski.

[Gajanana]

just seen the japanese pm giving an interview, I had the sound down. He looks TERRIFIED! Sad and shocked but also looks very scared...

[yiolas]

This seems to be a pretty good guide...

UPDATE: Sorry, this seems to be same guide as Teakai post. Apologize for doublepost!

WHAT TO DO WITH LESS THAN 3 DAYS TO A NUCLEAR DISASTER!

This instructional guide is for American families preparing for imminent nuclear terrorism or nuclear attack and radioactive fallout.

Understandably, if you are reading this, you are anxious to take action right now, but to assure that what you do with your remaining time, before disaster strikes, is truly effective, you must first embrace a realistic 'Plan of Action'. Careful study of this action guide, here and now, will assure that you make the most of your available options, resources, and time, with a minimum of wasteful panic. Read it all the way through first, at least once, THEN TAKE EFFECTIVE ACTION WITH CONFIDENCE... FAST!

Guide:
http://outlands.tripod.com/3dayguide/

Hi Incider, I quickly skimmed through the guide. It has some very good and basic information. Thank-you. I particularly liked the info. about Iodine.
Everyone probably has that already in their medicine cabinet. It's something one can do without any ill side effects even if there is a possibility of being exposed to fallout.


When fallout is first anticipated, even though it has not yet arrived, have everybody begin wearing their dust protector filter masks. Everyone should commence taking their Potassium Iodide (KI) or Potassium Iodate (KIO3) tablets for thyroid protection against cancer causing radioactive iodine, a major constituent of nuclear weapons explosions. Or, if no tablets available, you can topically (on the skin) apply an iodine solution for a similar protective effect. (WARNING: Iodine solutions are NEVER to be ingested or swallowed.) For adults, paint 8 ml of a 2 percent tincture of Iodine on the abdomen or forearm, ideally at least 2 hours prior to possible exposure. For children 3 to 18, but under 150 pounds, only half that amount painted on daily, or 4 ml. For children under 3 but older than a month, half again, or 2 ml. For newborns to 1 month old, half it again, or just 1 ml. If your iodine is stronger than 2%, reduce the dosage accordingly. Absorption through the skin is not as reliable a dosing method as using the tablets, but tests show that it will still be very effective for most. Do not use if allergic to iodine. If at all possible, inquire of your doctor NOW if there is any reason why anybody in your household should not use iodine in a future nuclear emergency, just to be sure.

[panopticon]

Upwind?
I asked hubby which was which - I guess he wasn't very clear.
Talk about crappy advice. :confused:
Sorry Ski.

G'day Teakai,

Thanks for that. I sat there thinking about it for ages and couldn't work out why down wind was best.
I wasn't having a go. I was really confused...
So upwind bad when hunting, good when radioactive cloud floating around...

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[jcocks]

http://www.watoday.com.au/environment/blast-smoke-at-japanese-nuclear-plant-20110312-1brv1.html

One of the reactors in ***ushima no 1 has apparently exploded :( :(

BIG HUGS AND LOTS OF LOVE AND LIGHT...

Seriously, if you're near it...stay indoors and follow all directions given by the authorities....

Update :

CNN article : http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.nuclear/index.html?hpt=T1

Apparently, some of the staff were injecting water into the reactor core to cool it down when the accident occurred.

I reiterate : These guys are legends. I'd hate to have their job.

[panopticon]

http://www.watoday.com.au/environment/blast-smoke-at-japanese-nuclear-plant-20110312-1brv1.html
One of the reactors in ***ushima no 1 has apparently exploded :( :(
BIG HUGS AND LOTS OF LOVE AND LIGHT...
Seriously, if you're near it...stay indoors and follow all directions given by the authorities....

G'day All,

SKY News is also reporting "plant explosion".

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Update:
"People near plant urged to turn off air conditioners" (SKY News)

[jcocks]

I honestly have nothing but pure admiration for the staff in those power stations, valiantly trying to keep the reactors at bay without electricity to run the coolant pumps. I can't begin to imagine the sheer terror that they must be feeling about now trying to do their jobs. Once this all dies down and things start to rebuild, they should all get awards for service to their country. I send immense amounts of strength their way for the job that lies ahead, they'll need it....

[John Parslow]

Seen from above, the awesome scale of Japan's destruction (big photo gallery)

Apologies if already posted, link:

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/11/from-the-sky-aerial.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29

My thanks to Caren for the link. JP :cool:

[RAKMEiSTER]

del me wrong thread

[Dionysus]

I was wondering, dear Avalon, did anyone else think that giant spiral in Japan's sea, generated by the earthquake, was the activation of a stargate--being that it was, in fact March 9...could it have anything to do with heralding in the 9th wave (as in Mayan Unity Consciousness)? No pun intended.

Please post your feelings on this and any insight.

Thank you.

It is almost certainly just an eddy in a harbour. At the very beginning of the video, it is clear that this is a harbour inside or behind a breakwater. Somehow, this got all blown out of proportion by some newscasters here in the USA, with comments about a crack in the earth's crust and water flowing down like a drain, etc. Just shows the lack of discernment in the mainstream media. It was referred to over and over as being "in the ocean off the coast of Japan" while just showing the close up, and not showing that it was in fact in a harbour. Since when is something behind a breakwater considered "in the ocean?" Whether this is simple sensationalism, or something more deliberately misleading is an open question.

[Harley]

SKI,

I don't know which plant you are nearest to, but . . .


URGENT: Concerns of core partially melting at ***ushima nuke plant
TOKYO, March 12, Kyodo

The core at ***ushima No. 1 nuclear power plant's No. 1 reactor may be partially melting, the nuclear safety agency said Saturday.

Radioactive substance cesium was detected around the reactor, it said.

==Kyodo http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/77025.html

This is the govs nice way of informing the public.

If it is "partially melting" IT IS MELTING. If that's truly the case, the only way they can prevent "The China Syndrome" now is to encase the core in TONS of cement (Chernobyl). But for some reason I am having bad feelings about their ability to do that under the current circumstances.

Is this the plant that you are near?

Listen: Stay calm. It's important. :)

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

SKI,

I don't know which plant you are nearest to, but . . .


URGENT: Concerns of core partially melting at ***ushima nuke plant
TOKYO, March 12, Kyodo

The core at ***ushima No. 1 nuclear power plant's No. 1 reactor may be partially melting, the nuclear safety agency said Saturday.

Radioactive substance cesium was detected around the reactor, it said.

==Kyodo http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/77025.html

This is the govs nice way of informing the public.

If it is "partially melting" IT IS MELTING. If that's truly the case, the only way they can prevent "The China Syndrome" now is to encase the core in TONS of cement (Chernobyl). But for some reason I am having bad feelings about their ability to do that under the current circumstances.

Is this the plant that you are near?

Listen: Stay calm. It's important. :)

I'm 300 Km away from the F..kushima plant. Not far enough I guess.

I'm calm though... la di da di da... (I really want to turn of this T.V). la di da di da

[Darla Ken Pearce]

And then there is this ~ just posted:

fB3YIoLJL4E
xoxox

[Harley]

Reports are now coming in of a huge blast at one of the plants.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.nuclear/index.html?hpt=T1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219

[FearNot]

.............

[Harley]

OK, you don't see smoke rising in the direction of your plant?

In your predicament you don't have time to read books or grocery shopping. So do this:

Water and food you need, maybe for several days. Use tin containers if at all possible. If not there's no time now to worry about it.

With the quakes still occurring I would not recommend staying in the house. The best place for you guys to stay is UNDER YOUR VAN. Gather up everything and anything you can find to fill the gap between the ground and the van, as entirely as possible. Take bedding, food, and water with you. This is going to be your igloo and will offer the best protection under your circumstances.

If you don't have time to set that up then stay inside the van. But I gotta tell you that glass windows offer no shield whatsoever!

Under no circumstances inhale or ingest the open air. Always use a filter - rags, towels, etc. Whatever you can find.

Keep all bare skin covered at all times.

If this really happens you will have to stay in your igloo for 3 to 5 days, or until help arrives.

This info is from NBC Training.

Stay calm. Your wife and others will be much stronger.

Now Get Busy NOW!

Love You Man! :)

Harley

[Chuck]

The explosion plume looked white in colour... Cesium is a silvery metallic, white colour. Some good news... the prevailing winds at the moment is taking it out to sea.

[FearNot]

.............

[InCiDeR]

According to Sky News. Japan government admits radiation leak. SKI...please listen to Harley NOW.

Love / Thomas

[Harley]

This map-shot was taken during the last Eclipse which coincided with this past Winter's Solstice.

The total number of quakes shown here was by-far the highest that I had ever seen in over three years of monitoring these maps.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=3490&d=1293359582


Now look at this current map. It's over 300 total and still rising.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=5803&d=1299920147


Oops! While I was trying to help Ski now look what it's up to:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=5806&thumb=1&d=1299926999

[Omni]

Not to say this sums up my thoughts on this, those are well personified by many posters in this thread. One thought I just got is this: I hope the Japanese whale hunting boats are destroyed(but they are safe either way). One can take the good with the bad. One minor potentially (relatively)positive thing from all this...

[bennycog]

And then there is this ~ just posted:

fB3YIoLJL4E
xoxox

if it's true i hope they help them instead of just watching.. my heart is flying right now

[witchy1]

Harley that video you posted http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219. The explosion at 40sec looks to have ignited outside the building. I cant copy it to my hard drive or copy it here. It could be my eyes as well tho
W

[Ammit]

My best thoughts and wishes to everyone affected by this quake and shunami.
I cant help but wonder if we need to be looking over our shoulders for something else at this time, if harp had anything to do with this then maybe this was just a distraction.

Blessings

Ammit

[InCiDeR]

Sky News report that new tsunamis on their way. They now evacute people to higher grounds.

[Chuck]

Thanks Harley for the visual. It seems the entire pacific plate is moving west. Likely this will continue with more subduction and more volcanism along the asian east coast, Indonesia and Australia east coast. Might even see ocean floor rise in some areas (east of the subduction zone).

This might relieve stress on the locked San Andreas for new activity there. Keep in mind however, the New Madrid rift is also pushing the north American plate west of the fault, westward as well which might keep the San Andreas locked.

[jcocks]

I'm wondering.... Have earth changes now started in earnest? If so, we should brace ourselves for more of this activity......

(Not fear-mongering - that's the LAST thing I want to do right now!)

[Dionysus]

IF (as far as I know at this moment, it's still an 'if') there is a meltdown at any of the nuclear reactors, the concern is about fallout. Gamma radiation is not an issue (unless perhaps you're inside the reactor building, and then you might have bigger problems!). Radioactive material is dangerous if breathed in, or ingested. Keeping your skin covered is also good advice. Perhaps something like a poncho is useful. It would seem that wind direction is the biggest factor in where this material goes, and I would think the officials are taking this into account in any evacuation orders. Rainfall is good in that it will bring much of any airborne material down. Radioactive material that settles onto food or water is dangerous if that is then ingested.

This is probably elaborated on in any book, etc. about nuclear fallout. This is just a very bare bones explanation.

[bennycog]

the only time i wished i had foxtel or something similar.. but i guess i'll probably get the more real news from you guys..
should we all ask and see if we can have an intervention and finally have our benevolent ET's (if the exist) to help us/them out just a little?

[jcocks]

ABC News24 has really good coverage of the quake as well - that's what we have been watching (Now watching a movie, had enough of the 24hr disaster coverage!)...

[Chuck]

As you know jcocks, only time will answer your question for certainty, but one cannot overlook the possibility of it being so.
Good spiritual advise suggest to shift to intuition, heart centered activity tempered with reason.

[bennycog]

ABC News24 has really good coverage of the quake as well - that's what we have been watching (Now watching a movie, had enough of the 24hr disaster coverage!)...

Oh ok.. I might not have it on my my tv. Will tune it in. This is the only time in months that i have acually turned it on to watch telly. unless my daughter wanted to watch some kids shows ;) ;) i like them too haha.

[jcocks]

If you have a high-definition digital TV, you'll be able to get the news24 channel.

[panopticon]

G'day All,

It has been advised for those near affected sites to not drink tap water (even if available) .
Bottled water only. This is a usual precaution following an event like this.
I re-iterate the advise given by the Japanese official yesterday 'Stay Vigilant'.
The wind is blowing gases off shore.
Be aware this may change but is not forecasted to in the immediate future.
There is a danger of further tsunami and quakes.

Panopticon

Addendum:
Advice reminder from Japanese Govt added: Residents to stay inside. Turn off air conditioners

[Setras]

a quick note to all in the area of the power station or those trying to leave...... please check Harleys advice a few pages back.........

Above all do not put your hands near your mouth or nose untill they have been thoroughly scrubbed if you have been outside......or near the plant....

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

OK, you don't see smoke rising in the direction of your plant?

In your predicament you don't have time to read books or grocery shopping. So do this:

Water and food you need, maybe for several days. Use tin containers if at all possible. If not there's no time now to worry about it.

With the quakes still occurring I would not recommend staying in the house. The best place for you guys to stay is UNDER YOUR VAN. Gather up everything and anything you can find to fill the gap between the ground and the van, as entirely as possible. Take bedding, food, and water with you. This is going to be your igloo and will offer the best protection under your circumstances.

If you don't have time to set that up then stay inside the van. But I gotta tell you that glass windows offer no shield whatsoever!

Under no circumstances inhale or ingest the open air. Always use a filter - rags, towels, etc. Whatever you can find.

Keep all bare skin covered at all times.

If this really happens you will have to stay in your igloo for 3 to 5 days, or until help arrives.

This info is from NBC Training.

Stay calm. Your wife and others will be much stronger.

Now Get Busy NOW!

Love You Man! :)

Harley

Wow now that's a reality slap in the face... thanks Harley. Very good, strong handy advice.

Have you just heard the speeches they have just said? They are going to use (sea water) and some other stuff to contain this problem and they believe this is a solution. They say the nuclear reactor is undamaged..( I can't believe I'm talking about nuclear reactors and stuff ) Is this a bluff? The radios for evacuation has gone from 10km to 20 km but they say the readings have dropped and this is just a safety precaution. The outer walls blew up because of steam of some sort ... I'm really talking about something I have no idea about..

Harley what do you think?

[jcocks]

It's probably the best course of action given the circumstances..... As long as they can keep the situation in control it's a win...

[Harley]

Harley that video you posted http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219. The explosion at 40sec looks to have ignited outside the building. I cant copy it to my hard drive or copy it here. It could be my eyes as well tho
W

It was a building. Possibly a heat exchanger building for cooling.

Picture 1: See the little building just to the right of the base of the tower?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=5808&d=1299930265

Picture 2: The little building is probably gone now I'm afraid.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=5809&d=1299930281

It looked like a pretty massive explosion.



Thanks Harley for the visual. It seems the entire pacific plate is moving west. Likely this will continue with more subduction and more volcanism along the asian east coast, Indonesia and Australia east coast. Might even see ocean floor rise in some areas (east of the subduction zone).

This might relieve stress on the locked San Andreas for new activity there. Keep in mind however, the New Madrid rift is also pushing the north American plate west of the fault, westward as well which might keep the San Andreas locked.

We are possibly only seeing the beginning of it. With the moon moving into it's closest position the earth's crust will become even more unstable, with major danger event on april 16.

I'm beginning to be quite concerned for our West Coast over here. There really hasn't been much in the way of stress relief for the Pacific Plate in quite a few years, and the experts have been warning for many years that the Seattle area is about 200 years overdue for the next "Big One" (8.0 Plus).



I'm wondering.... Have earth changes now started in earnest? If so, we should brace ourselves for more of this activity......

(Not fear-mongering - that's the LAST thing I want to do right now!)

I'd certainly say so! LOL!

And nothing we say on this thread at this time can be considered fear mongering. Everything here is all information being shared for better preparation of our futures.

Please Everyone, No Heads In The Sand Allowed!! :)

Harley

[myrm]

Bless you and be safe. myrm

[Setras]

Have you just heard the speeches they have just said? They are going to use (sea water) and some other stuff to contain this problem and they believe this is a solution. They say the nuclear reactor is undamaged..( I can't believe I'm talking about nuclear reactors and stuff ) Is this a bluff? The radios for evacuation has gone from 10km to 20 km but they say the readings have dropped and this is just a safety precaution. The outer walls blew up because of steam of some sort ... I'm really talking about something I have no idea about..



taken from wikipedia re the fire event at seascale......


On the morning of Friday 11 October, when the fire was at its worst, eleven tons of uranium were ablaze. Temperatures were becoming extreme (one thermocouple registered 1,300°C) and the biological containment around the stricken reactor was now in severe danger of collapse. Faced with this crisis, the operators decided to use water. This was incredibly risky: molten metal oxidises in contact with water, stripping oxygen from the water molecules and leaving free hydrogen, which could mix with incoming air and explode, tearing open the weakened containment. Faced with a lack of other options, the operators decided to go ahead with the plan. About a dozen hoses were hauled to the charge face of the reactor; their nozzles were cut off and the lines themselves connected to scaffolding poles and fed into fuel channels about a metre above the heart of the fire.

Tom Tuohy then ordered everyone out of the reactor building except himself and the Fire Chief. All cooling and ventilating air entering the reactor was shut off. Tuohy once again hauled himself atop the reactor shielding and ordered the water to be turned on, listening carefully at the inspection holes for any sign of a hydrogen reaction as the pressure was increased. Tuohy climbed up several times and reported watching the flames leaping from the discharge face slowly dying away. During one of the inspections, he found that the inspection plates—which were removed with a metal hook to facilitate viewing of the discharge face of the core—were stuck fast. This, he reported, was due to the fire trying to suck air in from wherever it could.

"I have no doubt it was even sucking air in through the chimney at this point to try and maintain itself," he remarked in an interview.

Finally he managed to pull the inspection plate away and was greeted with the sight of the fire dying away.

"First the flames went, then the flames reduced and the glow began to die down," he described, "I went up to check several times until I was satisfied that the fire was out. I did stand to one side, sort of hopefully," he went on to say, "but if you're staring straight at the core of a shut down reactor you're going to get quite a bit of radiation."

Water was kept flowing through the pile for a further 24 hours until it was completely cold.

[InCiDeR]

Sky News confirmes that the Nuclear reactor core is intact and not damaged....puh :)

[aikya]

Ski, I really feel for you.

Here's a snippet from an article about how Dr. Akizuki prevented radiation sickness after the Hiroshima bombing through daily consumption of miso soup. The good thing is you're in exactly the right place to get miso.... If I were you I'd be having some every day, just in case. Get the most natural miso you can find.

Hope this helps.



At the time of the world's first plutonium atomic bombing, on August 9, 1945, two hospitals were literally in the shadow of the blast, about one mile from the epicenter in Nagasaki. American scientists declared the area totally uninhabitable for 75 years. At University Hospital 3000 patients suffered greatly from leukemia and disfiguring radiation burns. This hospital served its patients a modern fare of sugar, white rice, and refined white flour products. Another hospital was St. Francis Hospital, under the direction of Shinichiro Akizuki, M.D. Although this hospital was located even closer to the blast's epicenter than the first, none of the workers or patients suffered from radiation sickness. Dr. Akizuki had been feeding his patients and workers brown rice, miso soup, vegetables and seaweed every day. The Roman Catholic Church—and the residents of Nagasaki—called this a modern day miracle. Meanwhile, Dr. Akizuki and his co-workers disregarded the American warning and continued going around the city of Nagasaki in straw sandals visiting the sick in their homes.


The Working Alchemy: The Miracle of Miso
http://www.macrobiotic.org/Miso.htm

Combatting Radiation Tips
http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/chelating-ionizing-radiation.html


Apologies...in catching up I missed the page where this info had already been posted.

[InCiDeR]

Avalonians, I am proud, grateful and honored being a member of this community. Look what we accomplish when we not arguing in a harsh and disrespectful manner. Today we are the change. Let us keep it that way.

Love you as I love myself.

Truthfully and humble / Thomas

[bennycog]

Harley in your opinion is this a false flag?
And also if the moon is a craft of some sort, someone has to be in control of it. As you say it will move into its closest position soon, so the controllers would know the distruction it would cause..

[Icecold]

Huge blast at Japan nuclear power plant Press Conference

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

[Chuck]

As you know Skibadabomski, the authorities will always downplay immediate danger. Often with good reason as panic usually creates more harm. As Harley suggest FOOD AND WATER are key. Get some! Worse case is that you get to eat it! :) But if contamination escalates, they will be the precious commodities within days.

[jcocks]

We are possibly only seeing the beginning of it. With the moon moving into it's closest position the earth's crust will become even more unstable, with major danger event on april 16.

I'm beginning to be quite concerned for our West Coast over here. There really hasn't been much in the way of stress relief for the Pacific Plate in quite a few years, and the experts have been warning for many years that the Seattle area is about 200 years overdue for the next "Big One" (8.0 Plus).



You know what? I hate to say it, but I feel there's more ahead as well. I had a dream about four nights ago in which I was at a concert for Jon Bon Jovi. The lights dimmed as he went on stage. For his first song, his mouth opened, but it was Michael Jacksons' voice that came out. He sang a soft song.... I got the feeling that it was a song of reassurance. I can remember the melody of the song, but not the words... If I heard it again I'd recognise it tho...

I felt like he was trying to let us know that we were being watched and we were loved. I had been on edge since the dream... I was almost expecting something major to occur. It was like he was telling us to get prepared, but that we wouldn't be alone during all of this...

[Gaia]

After the explosion at Chernobyl, the radiation in other countries was detected in a few days. People around the plant better use their common sense and get the hell gone.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZytPz_13YWw

[Harley]

Wow now that's a reality slap in the face... thanks Harley. Very good, strong handy advice.

Have you just heard the speeches they have just said? They are going to use (sea water) and some other stuff to contain this problem and they believe this is a solution. They say the nuclear reactor is undamaged..( I can't believe I'm talking about nuclear reactors and stuff ) Is this a bluff? The radios for evacuation has gone from 10km to 20 km but they say the readings have dropped and this is just a safety precaution. The outer walls blew up because of steam of some sort ... I'm really talking about something I have no idea about..

Harley what do you think?

Did you see that explosion? Now I'm no nuclear power plant expert, but I know that there are two separate water systems involved. One system is a closed-loop system (because it's contaminated) for controlling the temperature of the core, and the other is a fresh-water system that is boiled into steam which is used to drive the electric generators.

As far as I know the cooling towers are only used for the contaminated closed-loop system, which as you might imagine is at extremely high pressure. And there isn't any need to cool the fresh-water system, as it's being turned into steam and allowed to escape naturally anyway. (Or something like that!) :)

So. What WAS that, that exploded?

It may be that the reactor is ok for now. But how long can that last if it isn't cooled? And they already stated hours ago that they were having cooling problems, and that was before we seen the explosion.

I don't know what to say about using sea water. But they're the experts (seriously). But I've been forming this gut-feeling that this has gone over their heads, and I sure hope I'm wrong.

The media WANTS to tell you everything (ratings you know!). But they can only tell you what the gov is telling them. You know how that goes. :)

How's it going now? How's the activity?

-------------------------

[panopticon]

You know what? I hate to say it, but I feel there's more ahead as well. I had a dream about four nights ago in which I was at a concert for Jon Bon Jovi. The lights dimmed as he went on stage. For his first song, his mouth opened, but it was Michael Jacksons' voice that came out. He sang a soft song.... I got the feeling that it was a song of reassurance. I can remember the melody of the song, but not the words... If I heard it again I'd recognise it tho...
I felt like he was trying to let us know that we were being watched and we were loved. I had been on edge since the dream... I was almost expecting something major to occur. It was like he was telling us to get prepared, but that we wouldn't be alone during all of this...

G'day jcocks,

If I had a nightmare with either I'd assume the world was going to tumble down around me.
This would indicate a definite "shift in the force" lol...
There again...
JBJ & MJ in one dream... Sounds like too much Bundy to me! :p

Good Luck Ski and remember to breath!

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Addendum:
CNN Australia reporting witnessed blast reported as a hydrogen explosion.

[Icecold]

You know what? I hate to say it, but I feel there's more ahead as well.


Of course there is more ahead. This is the beginning. As Tyche draws closer to the sun, the effects her on earth will get progressively worse. In the words of someone famous....Barham?/Durante?....."You ain't seen nothing yet."


Let's keep the focus. I keep saying it and the words go into the wind. The challenge for us all is to accept that the universe knows exactly what it is doing.

[Chuck]

Hello Gaia,
Nice sound track on that video ... heheheh. I think the predicted radiation cloud in the video is a bit over estimated if a core melt down happens. Moreover, using an average wind speed of 9m/s and 7600km to North America, it'll take about 10 days to reach. Bad news yes... but not as bad as the video suggests.

[bennycog]

Not sure if this helps.

http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/west-coast-usa-danger-if-japan-nuclear-reactor-meltdown/

“If they can’t restore power to the plant (and cool the reactor), then there’s the possibility of some sort of core meltdown”. An alarming statement made by James Acton, a physicist who examined Japan’s Kashiwazaki nuclear plant after a 2007 earthquake, who told CNN that Japanese authorities are in race to cool down the ***ushima reactor.

Following the fifth largest earthquake in recorded world history, a magnitude 8.9 earthquake, has resulted in the closure of all Japan’s nuclear power reactors, one of which, the ***ushima reactor, is overheating and in danger of a meltdown if coolant is not restored soon. It’s like a pressure cooker… when you have something generating heat and you don’t cool it off or release the steam…

Reported from abc NEWS, Scientists said that even though the reactor had stopped producing energy, its fuel continues to generate heat and needs steady levels of coolant to prevent it from overheating and triggering a dangerous cascade of events.

They go on to say, “Up to 100 percent of the volatile radioactive Cesium-137 content of the pools could go up in flames and smoke, to blow downwind over large distances,”

“Given the large quantity of irradiated nuclear fuel in the pool, the radioactivity release could be worse than the Chernobyl nuclear reactor catastrophe of 25 years ago.” said Kevin Kamps, a nuclear waste specialist.

***ushima I (there are two plant locations) is one of the 25 largest nuclear power stations in the world.

How would a nuclear plant meltdown unfold?

•Control rods are driven back down into the core upon emergency (if rods don’t make it all the way… trouble)
•The coolant (water) could cease if backup systems fail (electricity, pumps, generators, batteries)
•Reactor continues to produce heat
•Numerous venting valve systems would release pressure above ~1,000 psi into containment vessel
•Eventually the uranium fuel encasement metal will melt (2,200 deg F)
•Radioactive contamination then released into the reactor vessel
•Radiation escapes into an outer, concrete containment building
•Radiation escapes into the environment.
......more on link.......


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_meltdown

[Harley]

Harley in your opinion is this a false flag?
And also if the moon is a craft of some sort, someone has to be in control of it. As you say it will move into its closest position soon, so the controllers would know the distruction it would cause..

Hi Benny,

I don't know what to say about that as I haven't had time to think about it. But it's something that can sure be discussed. As a reminder to me, would you please post this question over on the False Flag thread? It's now after 5:00 AM here and I should try to get some sleep (Yah, Right! LOL!)

Thanks!

Harley

[bennycog]

Dr. Akizuki fed his staff and patients a strict diet of brown rice, miso and tamari soy soup, wakame, kombu and other seaweed, Hokkaido pumpkin, and sea salt and prohibited the consumption of sugar and sweets.


Radiation stripe iodine. This diet is high in iodine.......


Funny you mention that. This was just on "bbc news live."

1305: The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) says Japanese authorities are making preparations to distribute iodine to residents in the area of both the ***ushima nuclear plants. The IAEA has reiterated its offer of technical assistance to Japan, should the government request this.

[jackovesk]

Posted this in the News & Update section if you hadn't seen it...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16145-Japan-may-have-hours-to-prevent-Nuclear-Meltdown...

***This is not looking good folks - see the You Tube TV footage of the Massive Explosion at the bottom of this post...

Japanese Nuclear Meltdown Would Be Hundreds of Times Worse Than Chernobyl...

NEW YORK | Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:18pm EST

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Japanese officials may only have hours to cool reactors that have been disabled by Friday's massive earthquake and tsunami or face a nuclear meltdown.

Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) (9501.T) is racing to cool down the reactor core after a highly unusual "station blackout" -- the total loss of power necessary to keep water circulating through the plant to prevent overheating.

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/03/12/1226020/204544-nuclear-reactor.jpg
Radiation levels 1000 times above normal at nuclear power plant as massive earthquake and tsunami claim hundreds of lives.

Daiichi Units 1, 2 and 3 reactors shut down automatically at 2:46 p.m. local time due to the earthquake. But about an hour later, the on-site diesel back-up generators also shut, leaving the reactors without alternating current (AC) power.

That caused Tepco to declare an emergency and the government to evacuate thousands of people from near the plant. Such a blackout is "one of the most serious conditions that can affect a nuclear plant," according to experts at the Union of Concerned Scientists, a U.S. based nuclear watchdog group.

"If all AC power is lost, the options to cool the core are limited," the group warned.

TEPCO also said it has lost ability to control pressure at some of the reactors at its Daini plant nearby.

The reactors at ***ushima can operate without AC power because they are steam-driven and therefore do not require electric pumps, but the reactors do require direct current (DC) power from batteries for its valves and controls to function.

If battery power is depleted before AC power is restored, the plant would stop supplying water to the core and the cooling water level in the reactor core could drop.

RADIATION RELEASE

Officials are now considering releasing some radiation to relieve pressure in the containment at the Daiichi plant and are also considering releasing pressure at Daini, signs that difficulties are mounting. Such a release has only occurred once in U.S. history, at Three Mile Island.

"(It's) a sign that the Japanese are pulling out all the stops they can to prevent this accident from developing into a core melt and also prevent it from causing a breach of the containment (system) from the pressure that is building up inside the core because of excess heat," said Mark Hibbs, a nuclear expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

While the restoration of power through additional generators should allow TEPCO to bring the situation back under control, left unchecked the coolant could boil off within hours. That would cause the core to overheat and damage the fuel, according to nuclear experts familiar with the Three Mile Island accident in Pennsylvania in 1979.

It could take hours more for the metal surrounding the ceramic uranium fuel pellets in the fuel rods to melt, which is what happened at Three Mile Island. That accident essentially frozen the nuclear industry for three decades.

Seven years later the industry suffered another blow after the Chernobyl plant in Ukraine exploded due to an uncontrolled power surge that damaged the reactor core, releasing a radioactive cloud that blanketed Europe.

The metal on the fuel rods would not melt until temperatures far exceed 1,000 degrees F. The ceramic uranium pellets would not melt until temperatures reached about 2,000 degrees F, nuclear experts said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/us-japan-quake-nuclear-us-analysis-idUSTRE72B04C20110312

...UPDATE...

US did not deliver coolant to Japan nuclear reactor

(Reuters) - The U.S. military did not provide any coolant for a Japanese nuclear plant affected by a massive earthquake on Friday, U.S. officials said.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton earlier had said that U.S. Air Force "assets" had delivered "some really important coolant" to a Japanese nuclear power plant.

One U.S. official said he believed Clinton was told Japan had requested the material, that the United States had agreed to provide it, and that an operation to do so was under way.

Ultimately, however, Japan did not need assistance from the United States but Clinton did not appear to have been updated before she made her public remarks.

"We understand that ultimately the Japanese government handled the situation on its own," said another U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/11/japan-quake-nuclear-coolant-idUSN1125270120110311

...UPDATE...

The building, on the far-right Fu.kushima No1 power plant in the picture above has 'Blown Up...'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyv4KrQpmtY&feature=youtu.be

Emergency teams were worked to release dangerous pressure on a reactor at risk of melting down.

The Fu.kushima No1 and No2 power plants, 10 reactors in total, have been declared nuclear emergency sites, as the count of dead and missing people from Friday’s northern Honshu disaster exceeded 1,200.

The explosion at the No.1 plant’s No.1 reactor about 3:40pm local time injured four workers and vented radioactive material into the air.

But a Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency official was unable to say whether the blast happened within the at-risk No.1 reactor or the just the containment building, which appeared to be severely damaged.

An International Atomic Energy Agency spokesman said in Vienna the nuclear watchdog was “urgently seeking further information” from Japan.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/japan-races-to-avert-nuclear-meltdown-as-tsunami-death-toll-threatens-to-top-1200/story-fn84naht-1226020358630

[Agape]

the only time i wished i had foxtel or something similar.. but i guess i'll probably get the more real news from you guys..
should we all ask and see if we can have an intervention and finally have our benevolent ET's (if the exist) to help us/them out just a little?

My feeling is that mankind was warned several times and several ways against the use of nuclear energy at this stage, the plants and equipments are altogether not safe , not well isolated , compared to what it needs to be to prevent possible disasters .

There's always an effort to help but there are arrogant factions of mankind who do not listen and tend to spoil the game ..


The nuclear plant is like a bomb in children hands, you never know what it does, slight change of temperature and it may all blast to the air.

We can pray that it does not cause more damage.

My heart is with people of Japan ..


:rain:

[Agape]

i'm 300 km away from the f..kushima plant. Not far enough i guess.

I'm calm though... La di da di da... (i really want to turn of this t.v). La di da di da

Can't you move further away ? Pack your bag go to grannies, if that's an option..

[Wings]

For those interested here is one link discussing the astrology of the event.

http://darkstarastrology.com/japan-earthquake-tsunami-march-2011-horoscopes-predictions/

The commentary is interesting too, and further down the page is a link to the chart for the nuclear power plant explosion.

[Revere]

Avalon,

Three hours ago as I first awoke I turned on the TV to catch a live interview on CNN with a woman (civilian/ non-news person) in Japan. I wish I could find the interview to attach it. The interesting part was she was trying to move the interview to her perplexity concerning the very strange cloud formations she was seeing and claiming that the earthquake had made them! The CNN Anchor would have none of that topic and steered the interview back to their usual drivel that her producer was probably shouting in her ear to ask the interviewee.

I know we all love to speculate on Haarp around here but are their historical precedents for such natural phenomenon after a quake? Yes, we are probably back to speculating that this was HAARP related but I like to look at all possibilities. Could this be a natural affect?

Ski,
Possible good news I just heard on CNN that they are claiming that the radiation released (probably as part of the controlled steam release) is now showing diminished levels of radiation in the atmosphere. Only take it for what it is worth continuing with your vigilance and reasonable preparedness.

-R-

[Icecold]

THE ILLUSION OF REALITY


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1406370011028154810#

[Chuck]

Some good information in the event of radiation leak.

http://www.ki4u.com/illwind.htm

[Fred259]

Wow now that's a reality slap in the face... thanks Harley. Very good, strong handy advice.

Have you just heard the speeches they have just said? They are going to use (sea water) and some other stuff to contain this problem and they believe this is a solution. They say the nuclear reactor is undamaged..( I can't believe I'm talking about nuclear reactors and stuff ) Is this a bluff? The radios for evacuation has gone from 10km to 20 km but they say the readings have dropped and this is just a safety precaution. The outer walls blew up because of steam of some sort ... I'm really talking about something I have no idea about..

Harley what do you think?

Did you see that explosion? Now I'm no nuclear power plant expert, but I know that there are two separate water systems involved. One system is a closed-loop system (because it's contaminated) for controlling the temperature of the core, and the other is a fresh-water system that is boiled into steam which is used to drive the electric generators.

As far as I know the cooling towers are only used for the contaminated closed-loop system, which as you might imagine is at extremely high pressure. And there isn't any need to cool the fresh-water system, as it's being turned into steam and allowed to escape naturally anyway. (Or something like that!) :)

So. What WAS that, that exploded?

It may be that the reactor is ok for now. But how long can that last if it isn't cooled? And they already stated hours ago that they were having cooling problems, and that was before we seen the explosion.

I don't know what to say about using sea water. But they're the experts (seriously). But I've been forming this gut-feeling that this has gone over their heads, and I sure hope I'm wrong.

The media WANTS to tell you everything (ratings you know!). But they can only tell you what the gov is telling them. You know how that goes. :)

How's it going now? How's the activity?

-------------------------



Interesting Harley, the BBC Saturday 15.00UTC news reported that the explosion may have been caused by Hydrogen exploding with the trigger action being another smaller shockwave. The building was damaged but the reactor core is assumed to be safe.

The report also confirmed that the authorities have made a decision that the plant will no longer be saved, and now they plan flooding the reactor core with sea water which will provide the necessary cooling. The report confirms this decision has opened many more options for the engineers involved, and it does seem they have the situation under control.

The report further confirms that Iodine tablets have been issued as a safety precaution and again this seems very sensible. Flood the thyroid gland with iodine thus preventing radio active material (should it exist) access to the gland.

This is an impressive response, come on folks the Japanese are serious people they are on top of this. I guess that when the diesel generators were lost in the tsunami the game was up. Cooling a reactor core with DC battery power, is only a standby measure to allow the diesel AC power to be brought back on line, however these generators were lost. With access roads severely damaged getting additional standby power in proved impossible so we are where we are.

What is very serious is the reported loss of 10,000 people from a town with a reported population of 17,000; the whole town has been erased. Very sad indeed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

[benevolentcrow]

In the wake of the crisis in Japan, let's take a moment to feel healing and peace to our world: Elders Prayer for the Healing & Care of our Mother Earth

"We give thanks to you, our Creator, (or Source name) for all the wonderful gifts you have bestowed upon us. We are grateful to you for helping us endure as long as we have on our be...loved Mother Earth. At this time of critical change, Creator, we ask you to help each one of us gain the understanding and wisdom we need to heal, to love one another, and to finally realize peace. We ask you to help each one of us become more aware of our responsibilities in caring for all life on this beautiful planet.

Creator, we know deep inside that we are a part of you and all creation. We want to take back our roles as caretakers of our planet. We want to open our hearts to honoring, respecting and caring for our natural environment. The global warming that is occurring all over the Earth is a blessed wake-up call. It is time to make a more loving, compassionate, thriving, vibrant world. Together, we can restore the integrity and healing powers of our water, air, and land to build a sustainable future for our children. Together, we can do this as One family working in unison to fulfill our purpose on this Earth.

Creator, we are grateful to be as one heart with you in this very special moment. We thank you again for giving us your love, your wisdom and your joy."

Aloha a me ka maluhia (love and peace),
Woody Vaspra

[aikya]

Interesting Harley, the BBC Saturday 15.00UTC news reported that the explosion may have been caused by Hydrogen exploding with the trigger action being another smaller shockwave. The building was damaged but the reactor core is assumed to be safe.

The report also confirmed that the authorities have made a decision that the plant will no longer be saved, and now they plan flooding the reactor core with sea water which will provide the necessary cooling. The report confirms this decision has opened many more options for the engineers involved, and it does seem they have the situation under control.

The report further confirms that Iodine tablets have been issued as a safety precaution and again this seems very sensible. Flood the thyroid gland with iodine thus preventing radio active material (should it exist) access to the gland.

This is an impressive response, come on folks the Japanese are serious people they are on top of this. I guess that when the diesel generators were lost in the tsunami the game was up. Cooling a reactor core with DC battery power, is only a standby measure to allow the diesel AC power to be brought back on line, however these generators were lost. With access roads severely damaged getting additional standby power in proved impossible so we are where we are.

What is very serious is the reported loss of 10,000 people from a town with a reported population of 17,000; the whole town has been erased. Very sad indeed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

That's very good news about the reactor.

So very sad about the loss of life.

[Charlie Pecos]

My heart goes out to SKI and the people of Japan. May the Lord comfort you, may He place peace and gratitude in your hearts. My prayers are with you.

There are many more changes to come, much pain to come. Please, time is growing very short, spend time with your families. Be with the ones you love and cherish every moment. Do something you always wanted to do if you have the means. Live in the now. We can never know what tomorrow will bring, life is very precious and very fragile. It will soon become evident to all who call Earth home that these changes are happening, not just us in the alternative community.

When it is your time to go, please, do not panic. Please do not fear. Example kindness and compassion for all to see, even in your darkest hour. If at all possible, meet your ascension with peace and gratitude. It is possible to enter into a different astral plane from the one we belong on through fear. What we imagine is real. We are not our bodies, we are not our minds, we are eternal spiritual beings. Accept what is to come, it is the will of the universe and as such it is our will. A Grand Transformation is taking place right before our eyes.

Understand that there is no where to hide, no point in running. You only attempt to deny yourself the experience you came here for, a glorious experience. You will see. Everyone, every single being on this planet is part of the grand design, and as such all will be included in the events that are unfolding now. This is what we came here for. Please do not fear. Accept this experience with gratitude, it is the reason we chose to incarnate here at this time. All are special and none will be forsaken. Each has a part to play, to deny ourselves this opportunity would be the greatest tragedy of all.

Be well and know that you are Love. Many blessings to all.

[shiva777]

September, 11th World Trade Center
January, 11th Haiti Earthquake
March, 11th Japan Earthquake

Christchurch earthquake 22.2.2011

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Slim Wrote

didn't SKIBADABOMSKI say he saw a rainbow and it was stange? in this video he says the rainbow can indicate HAARP?

That is correct. HARRP can cause a Rainbow type effect in the Sky above a quake zone before one hits, but what a lot of people don't realize is that these Colors appear naturally as well when there is a build up of pressure in the ground (i think it is to do with the enormous amount of friction that causes a build up of charge in the air, i cant remember)

Hurritt

[granny]

I'm wondering.... Have earth changes now started in earnest? If so, we should brace ourselves for more of this activity......

(Not fear-mongering - that's the LAST thing I want to do right now!)
I do not know for sure about the earth changes becoming more prevalent, but I have been meaning to mention this. On Thursday my husband and I were babysitting our 4 year old granddaughter. Ok, granted she is pretty spoiled, but she was completely out of control all day and was actually hateful and kept ptiching crying fits. My husband and I were very short on patience and very snappy. We have two cats ... they were running wild all over the house, plus demanding attention. Next moring when I awoke, I saw the destruction in Japan.
Just wondering if others felt this?

[Dragonfly]

September, 11th World Trade Center
January, 11th Haiti Earthquake
March, 11th Japan Earthquake

Christchurch earthquake 22.2.2011

March 11, 2004: Terror in Madrid

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

i'm 300 km away from the f..kushima plant. Not far enough i guess.

I'm calm though... La di da di da... (i really want to turn of this t.v). La di da di da

Can't you move further away ? Pack your bag go to grannies, if that's an option..

We are on standby for this.. we have the van filled and are ready to go.



Wow now that's a reality slap in the face... thanks Harley. Very good, strong handy advice.

Have you just heard the speeches they have just said? They are going to use (sea water) and some other stuff to contain this problem and they believe this is a solution. They say the nuclear reactor is undamaged..( I can't believe I'm talking about nuclear reactors and stuff ) Is this a bluff? The radios for evacuation has gone from 10km to 20 km but they say the readings have dropped and this is just a safety precaution. The outer walls blew up because of steam of some sort ... I'm really talking about something I have no idea about..

Harley what do you think?

Did you see that explosion? Now I'm no nuclear power plant expert, but I know that there are two separate water systems involved. One system is a closed-loop system (because it's contaminated) for controlling the temperature of the core, and the other is a fresh-water system that is boiled into steam which is used to drive the electric generators.

As far as I know the cooling towers are only used for the contaminated closed-loop system, which as you might imagine is at extremely high pressure. And there isn't any need to cool the fresh-water system, as it's being turned into steam and allowed to escape naturally anyway. (Or something like that!) :)

So. What WAS that, that exploded?

It may be that the reactor is ok for now. But how long can that last if it isn't cooled? And they already stated hours ago that they were having cooling problems, and that was before we seen the explosion.

I don't know what to say about using sea water. But they're the experts (seriously). But I've been forming this gut-feeling that this has gone over their heads, and I sure hope I'm wrong.

The media WANTS to tell you everything (ratings you know!). But they can only tell you what the gov is telling them. You know how that goes. :)

How's it going now? How's the activity?

-------------------------

They say they have it under control but we seem to get more out of twitter, people have been effected but they have all been within the 10 mile radios.. and again it's just people twitting. You can get wind up merchants, it's looking like everyone is watching those plants now. The aftershocks are annoying but I saw an old lady walking whilst an aftershock was taking place and she swayed a bit and waved her walking stick at the air in annoyance .. made me smile.

Harley you was the first friend I made at Avalon because I noticed you spoke volumes of sense and I have printed out your instructions and have printed out many of the links that everyone else has took the time out to uplink. You have all been so helpful with the information you have added. Even the downwind err sorry Ski- upwind one made me laugh.

If it was just me and the misses then we'd of gone by now but we'd have to kidnap her (I refuse to move mother) and grab pets and collect everyone else. There'd be about 5 of us and me and misses have both had good rests and ready to do this. Once the moment comes when we look at each other and say lets do it then thou shall be done.

Personally I wanted to go up north and help people and do my bit but the misses stuck a fat cork in that gun. In which she was right of course. So I'm praying that a nuclear disaster isn't on the elitists cards. Because I actually think this problem could be stamped out but if the big boys want to use Japan as an example again of how dangerous NPP are then I'm afraid they are fighting a loosing battle.

Anyway thats my position at the moment..

Will of course let you all know what happens and again some of your messages deserve more than a click of thanks and I want to talk with all of you.

Love & light

Ski-

[Autumn]

I read an article in the news paper in Denmark today stating that an earth quake this serious is seen on an average of once in ten years. The news is that we have now had 6 of these in 7 years. Just a fact to the table.

My thoughts are with All

[Gaia]

September, 11th World Trade Center
January, 11th Haiti Earthquake
March, 11th Japan Earthquake

Christchurch earthquake 22.2.2011

12/21/2012 When the world will end: 1 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 0 + 1 + 2 = 11

[sygh]

If you need to get ot of there, you and your wife are welcome here. Anything we can do for you, say so.

[shybastid]

New report says Reactor Core could melt down and winds would/could blow towards North America.

News report says that people living near the Reactor have been given Iodine as a precautionary measure.

Question...If Iodine can be used as a precautionary measure against radiation poisoning,should we here in North America buy some before there's a run on it?

Anyone know the doses? I'll go Google. But can't be too careful right?

[Charlie Pecos]

September, 11th World Trade Center
January, 11th Haiti Earthquake
March, 11th Japan Earthquake

Christchurch earthquake 22.2.2011

12/21/2012 When the world will end: 1 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 0 + 1 + 2 = 11

The world will not end. The world as we know it will end.

[kinnypa]

My prayers are with you Ski. Stay safe please.

[Arrowwind]

Fortunately those in Japan that still eat a traditional Japanese diet of seaweed and fish have good stores of iodine in their bodies already. They should do all they can to continue with traditional diets.. This does not mean that they should not take supplemental iodien though.

It is difficult to overdose on iodine as the kidneys will readily dispose of excess, even with huge dosages.

Those who can migrate to other nation should or be prepared for more changes coming.

[Dennis Jonathan]

My heart is with you Ski.

And if push comes to shove, lovingly remind your mother what happened to the people who refused to leave their homes during Katrina.

Peace to you brother.

[Gaia]

September, 11th World Trade Center
January, 11th Haiti Earthquake
March, 11th Japan Earthquake

Christchurch earthquake 22.2.2011

12/21/2012 When the world will end: 1 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 0 + 1 + 2 = 11

The world will not end. The world as we know it will end.

The winter solstice 2012 is not just any solstice but the solstice of all solstices. I would have to say... It's irrelevent. Time doesn't exist. It's all a succession of moments we exist in. All I know is, there's some kind of build up happening soon... When it hits, it'll be in the present moment regardless of what year it happens to fall in. And from what I feel, it'll be sooner than later.

Kindest regards

Gaia

[Charlie Pecos]

September, 11th World Trade Center
January, 11th Haiti Earthquake
March, 11th Japan Earthquake

Christchurch earthquake 22.2.2011

12/21/2012 When the world will end: 1 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 0 + 1 + 2 = 11

The world will not end. The world as we know it will end.

The winter solstice 2012 is not just any solstice but the solstice of all solstices. I would have to say... It's irrelevent. Time doesn't exist. It's all a succession of moments we exist in. All I know is, there's some kind of build up happening soon... When it hits, it'll be in the present moment regardless of what year it happens to fall in. And from what I feel, it'll be sooner than later.

Kindest regards

Gaia

Hi Gaia,

Much love to you. You are exactly right. We all feel it coming, there will be more and soon.

Stay safe and be at peace.

[mondaze]

peace love and best wishes to all effected by the current situation. the phrase get the hell out of Dodge keeps coming up. I have to say there is no place far enough away from Dodge to dodge this reality... it will effect us all. stay positive people its the only pill that helps!

[yiolas]

I'm wondering.... Have earth changes now started in earnest? If so, we should brace ourselves for more of this activity......

(Not fear-mongering - that's the LAST thing I want to do right now!)
I do not know for sure about the earth changes becoming more prevalent, but I have been meaning to mention this. On Thursday my husband and I were babysitting our 4 year old granddaughter. Ok, granted she is pretty spoiled, but she was completely out of control all day and was actually hateful and kept ptiching crying fits. My husband and I were very short on patience and very snappy. We have two cats ... they were running wild all over the house, plus demanding attention. Next moring when I awoke, I saw the destruction in Japan.
Just wondering if others felt this?

Hi Granny, Yes ! My cat has been running around the house for the past couple of days now acting very agitated. He has even been snapping at the dogs as they are just lounging about. The night before the the earthquake, around 11 pm GMT, I had the worst time going asleep. I tossed and turned for at least one hour. I'm the kind of person that as soon as I put my head on the pillow, I am out.

[astrid]

I had some weird headaches on the morning of the quakes. and i had a lot of pressure and rumbling noises in my head.

Like the sound u get when big trucks drive past.

I have no question that some of us more sensitive types can feel the earth changes, we are standing on her after all.

I'm trying to teach myself recognize what is natural and what is not.

It's humbling to see so many pulling back together in this thread after all the tension on here.

Although it's sad that it takes a tragedy to do this, it might serve to put things back into perspective for people.

Glad u and yours are all ok Ski... and that the reactor can be cooled now they have called it non viable.

I can't help but wonder how much help from " upstairs" we are getting to ease us through this transition.

Blessings to all,

Astrid

[bennycog]

September, 11th World Trade Center
January, 11th Haiti Earthquake
March, 11th Japan Earthquake

Christchurch earthquake 22.2.2011

In almost all the shots of the explosion at the ***ashima plant you are shown the 2 cooling towers as the smoke and explosive debri blasts around them.. Subtle things here will show us who or what is manipulating the watchers mind.

[Harley]

Japanese Government Confirms Meltdown

March 12, 2011 | 2148 GMT
http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20110312-japanese-government-confirms-meltdown?utm_source=redalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110312%286%29&utm_content=readmore&elq=c37481be769b4d429f06ad3b316f3258#ixzz1GQaFsiCn


Japan’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) said March 12 that the explosion at the ***ushima Daiichi No. 1 nuclear plant could only have been caused by a meltdown of the reactor core, Japanese daily Nikkei reported. This statement seemed somewhat at odds with Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano’s comments earlier March 12, in which he said “the walls of the building containing the reactor were destroyed, meaning that the metal container encasing the reactor did not explode.”

NISA’s statement is significant because it is the government agency that reports to the Agency for Natural Resources and Energy within the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry. NISA works in conjunction with the Atomic Energy Commission. Its role is to provide oversight to the industry and is responsible for signing off construction of new plants, among other things. It has been criticized for approving nuclear plants on geological fault lines and for an alleged conflict of interest in regulating the nuclear sector. It was NISA that issued the order for the opening of the valve to release pressure — and thus allegedly some radiation — from the ***ushima power plant.

NISA has also overseen the entire government response to the nuclear reactor problems following the Tohoku earthquake and tsunami. It is difficult to determine at this point whether the NISA statement is accurate, as the Nikkei report has not been corroborated by others. It is also not clear from the context whether NISA is stating the conclusions of an official assessment or simply making a statement. However, the Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO), the operator of the ***ushima nuclear plant, also said that although it had relieved pressure, nevertheless some nuclear fuel had melted and further action was necessary to contain the pressure.

If this report is accurate, it would not be the first time statements by NISA and Edano have diverged. When Edano earlier claimed that radiation levels had fallen at the site after the depressurization efforts, NISA claimed they had risen due to the release of radioactive vapors.

[Champion the Wonderhorse]

I had some weird headaches on the morning of the quakes. and i had a lot of pressure and rumbling noises in my head.

Like the sound u get when big trucks drive past.

I have no question that some of us more sensitive types can feel the earth changes, we are standing on her after all.

I'm trying to teach myself recognize what is natural and what is not.

It's humbling to see so many pulling back together in this thread after all the tension on here.

Although it's sad that it takes a tragedy to do this, it might serve to put things back into perspective for people.

Glad u and yours are all ok Ski... and that the reactor can be cooled now they have called it non viable.

I can't help but wonder how much help from " upstairs" we are getting to ease us through this transition.

Blessings to all,

Astrid

In the morning of the earthquake I felt exhausted. I had a day off from work but I woke up feeing really tired. I could'nt work out why. By midday I had to take a nap! Then I later found out about the quake.

[Fred259]

Interesting Harley, BBC are not reporting that, I wonder if they are holding back just as they did on 9/11.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10318089

[Rocky_Shorz]

September, 11th World Trade Center
January, 11th Haiti Earthquake
March, 11th Japan Earthquake

Christchurch earthquake 22.2.2011

March 11, 2004: Terror in Madrid

that was 911 days after 911

¤=[Post Update]=¤



September, 11th World Trade Center
January, 11th Haiti Earthquake
March, 11th Japan Earthquake

Christchurch earthquake 22.2.2011

12/21/2012 When the world will end: 1 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 0 + 1 + 2 = 11

12/22/2012 when we realize it didn't... ;)

[jjl]

It's easy to remember so TPTB won't forget and play golf those days instead...

[Teakai]

Personally I wanted to go up north and help people and do my bit but the misses stuck a fat cork in that gun.
Ski-

Well, that made me laugh, Ski.
You just owe me one really bad piece of advice and then we're even :)

:hug:

[Dennis Jonathan]

Personally I wanted to go up north and help people and do my bit but the misses stuck a fat cork in that gun.
Ski-

Well, that made me laugh, Ski.
You just owe me one really bad piece of advice and then we're even :)

:hug:

Just make sure you stay down wind the next time your husband farts under the covers.

OOP I MEANT UPWIND...too late. :P

[nearing]

Crap.

Reports of problem at 2nd Japan nuclear reactor (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20042410-503543.html?tag=breakingnews)

Since they lied about the first one 'not' melting down until many hours into it, they are probably under-reporting this as well.

please get to safety, ski.

[Anchor]

Im not near any media here, and I dont have a TV. What I am seeing is a lot of reporting on speculation and as predicted, the media trying to scare people.

I don't know if there is any trustworthy news at the moment except to say that things are bad, and the nuclear reactor damage is something that can get out of hand fast.

Ever since I woke up I have been attempting to do what I wrote about yesterday - cool the reactor cores and call in ET help (by granting permission). The more people that do it, the better chances we have of helping the engineers - many of whom may be making the ultimate sacrifice as was done at Chernobyl trying to battle the forces that have been unleashed by this accident.


CBS News correspondent Nancy Cordes says the reactors in Japan were built to withstand the tremendous seismic activity that occurs in Japan, with backup systems to the backup systems. "If the electrical grids fail, then they go to diesel generators; if the diesel generators fail, then they go to battery packs," Cordes said on CBS' "The Early Show on Saturday Morning." "So it's really a mystery right now why none of those systems seem to be working properly."

The blame game can wait - but I suspect that there are serious questions to be answered. I hope this slows down the adoption of more nuclear energy - but that is for another time.

John..

[Ruby L.]

Click on the signature at the bottom of John's post to access the thread of focusing intent to cool the reactor. (Trust me, being in South East Asia right now, when my mind is racing at a crazy speed, that focus helps BIG time. And if it helps to cool the reactor some- all the more power to it!)

John's post:



Not to downplay the seriousness of the situation, the media is living up to expectations and presenting information in a manner that will scare as many people as possible.

Clearly the original "intent" that I was expressing needs updating now that the reactors have sustained further damage and cooling is still a problem.

OP updated thus:

My intent, for the highest and best good of all, is that the damaged nuclear reactors can be kept safely controlled and any damage is minimized, furthermore on my part, in so far as I can give it, I give full permission to our higher density brothers to intervene and help out.

Can we get a hundred on this or similar?

Cooling the reactors is priority I guess.

Envision them cooling down.

John..


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16077-Call-for-focussed-intent-response-to-large-series-of-Japanese-Earthquakes

Every bit helps. Thoughts are powerful energies. Focus is the key.

[astrid]

Yes.. i think we can safely assume the media will be playing down any major events to avert panic,
of course they are only reporting what they are given to report...

But unfortunately "to be forewarned is to be forearmed".

Soon they will be putting Prozac in the chemtrails.

Harley u are doing an excellent job, by the way ,
cutting through the BS.

Thanks so much for all your careful and thorough research.
I'm moving house right now, and i don't have the time to weed through reams of info.
so its much appreciated.

[Calz]

Just passing along ... don't shoot the messenger ... another MSM source could be complete BS:


Core of quake-damaged reactor partially melts


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42044156/ns/world_news-asia-pacific/?GT1=43001

[Fred259]

Im not near any media here, and I dont have a TV. What I am seeing is a lot of reporting on speculation and as predicted, the media trying to scare people.

I don't know if there is any trustworthy news at the moment except to say that things are bad, and the nuclear reactor damage is something that can get out of hand fast.

Ever since I woke up I have been attempting to do what I wrote about yesterday - cool the reactor cores and call in ET help (by granting permission). The more people that do it, the better chances we have of helping the engineers - many of whom may be making the ultimate sacrifice as was done at Chernobyl trying to battle the forces that have been unleashed by this accident.


CBS News correspondent Nancy Cordes says the reactors in Japan were built to withstand the tremendous seismic activity that occurs in Japan, with backup systems to the backup systems. "If the electrical grids fail, then they go to diesel generators; if the diesel generators fail, then they go to battery packs," Cordes said on CBS' "The Early Show on Saturday Morning." "So it's really a mystery right now why none of those systems seem to be working properly."

The blame game can wait - but I suspect that there are serious questions to be answered. I hope this slows down the adoption of more nuclear energy - but that is for another time.

John..

Nancy Cordes of CBS news makes it sound so simple….these poor engineers had the nightmare, scenario to deal with. Ms Cordes explains perfectly how the system should have worked but fails to understand the situation and complexity of the task in hand while sitting in the comfort of the studio in Washington.

Yes if the mains electrical power system fails backup AC diesel generators would automatically come on line, providing power to cool the reactor. However these generators were damaged and knocked out in the Tsunami by water which clearly she saw. Power is then transferred to DC battery packs as the last line of defence. However you can’t cool a nuclear reactor with DC battery packs for goodness sake. These are only temporary measures maybe 4 hrs maximum to allow any failure in the diesel generators to be rectified.

With No AC generators the solution is to bring in temporary ones quickly, but the roads are all broken up and blocked and the local transport company no longer exists. When the DC batteries failed as they would, the poor engineers now soaking in perspiration were going through a living nightmare in the control room, with red lights flashing constantly and failsafe alarms, bells and whistles ringing continuously.

Ms Cordes should concentrate on making a good soufflé, and allow those who know what they are doing to get on with the job. The engineering staff have done a fantastic job under extraordinary circumstances, and should be praised rather than criticised. IMHO

What say you John.

[Mandala]

Avalonians, I am proud, grateful and honored being a member of this community. Look what we accomplish when we not arguing in a harsh and disrespectful manner. Today we are the change. Let us keep it that way.

Love you as I love myself.

Truthfully and humble / Thomas

InCider. I thought and felt the same as you. I am darn proud to be a member here. Good folks, great hearts, immense caring and love. Skib, got you and your family in the prayers and meditations.

[Chuck]

Ever since I woke up I have been attempting to do what I wrote about yesterday - cool the reactor cores and call in ET help (by granting permission). The more people that do it, the better chances we have of helping the engineers - many of whom may be making the ultimate sacrifice as was done at Chernobyl trying to battle the forces that have been unleashed by this accident.

Hi John,

I'm convinced that the people on site know exactly what protocols to follow for pure safety reasons. They are highly trained for all sorts of contingencies and worst case scenarios. The issues facing them are corporate. Their superiors are balancing shareholder value and litigation losses.

Important decision are delayed because they don't want to destroy the reactors (by flooding them) until they have to. I pray that management training of maximizing shareholder value gets bumped by a still small voice... quickly!

In other words, I'm not praying for ET intervention but rather for the decision makers to get out of their ego mind and do what is best for their country men/women. It IS within their power to stop this.

[starsmoonmtns]

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width/hash/3f/0e/3f0e07538dc5b8cdaf849f43ec744bc2.jpg

So much deception: who can we trust? NO ONE.

The City of London / and the usa has done so much damage........... Mother Earth is discussed with all of us ALL..., no matter who you 'think' you are, nor what you think you 'know'!? She will rise up and wipe us out if we don't change our world view.

http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/human-right-to-know-japanese-nuclear-melt-down-fall-out-threatens-hawaii

[Teakai]

New report says Reactor Core could melt down and winds would/could blow towards North America.

News report says that people living near the Reactor have been given Iodine as a precautionary measure.

Question...If Iodine can be used as a precautionary measure against radiation poisoning,should we here in North America buy some before there's a run on it?

Anyone know the doses? I'll go Google. But can't be too careful right?

Hi Shybastid - I went to buy some and the chemist said they don't sell it, because it can really damage your thyroid if you take it and don't need it.
She said if you needed it it would have to be through a doctor or government issue.

So - eat lots of leafy green vegies and brocoli.

[sllim11]

can anyone confirm that the radiation is actually leaking in substantial amounts? this is just what a friend told me he heard on CNN that it "is melting down". NO fear mongering. i am wanting to find more clarity on this. i live in CA and it would effect us here possibly...

thanks!

[Teakai]

Just make sure you stay down wind the next time your husband farts under the covers.

OOP I MEANT UPWIND...too late. :P

I hope you don't think I'm going to thank you for that kind of advice, Dennis.
;)

[Teakai]

I was at the shop today getting more water and tinned food (just in case) and I heard the cashier say to the customer in front how it had been really really busy yesterday and that morning - and the customer said, oh, what was on - and the cashier said, nothing really, just the footblall, but it was sooo busy.

It made me wonder if more people were using their computer to get updates rather than relying on the TV news.

[Fred259]

can anyone confirm that the radiation is actually leaking in substantial amounts? this is just what a friend told me he heard on CNN that it "is melting down". NO fear mongering. i am wanting to find more clarity on this. i live in CA and it would effect us here possibly...

thanks!

Probably know as much as you sllim11 but I don’t think it’s gone into meltdown certainly they aren’t talking about it.

You could try the BBC they did have a nuclear professor talking about progress. The main news is on the hour. Hope this helps.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10318089

[nearing]

New report says Reactor Core could melt down and winds would/could blow towards North America.

News report says that people living near the Reactor have been given Iodine as a precautionary measure.

Question...If Iodine can be used as a precautionary measure against radiation poisoning,should we here in North America buy some before there's a run on it?

Anyone know the doses? I'll go Google. But can't be too careful right?

Hi Shybastid - I went to buy some and the chemist said they don't sell it, because it can really damage your thyroid if you take it and don't need it.
She said if you needed it it would have to be through a doctor or government issue.

So - eat lots of leafy green vegies and brocoli.

It is not true that Potassium iodide can damage your thyroid. The ONLY case that would be true is if one has Hasimotos. It's like Vitamin C, whatever your body doesn't use will be peed out. Order Iodoral 12.5 mgs from Amazon and eat seaweed (lots) until it comes.

[nearing]

Yes, it did meltdown. And another is a potential now.

Japanese Government Confirms Meltdown (http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20110312-japanese-government-confirms-meltdown?utm_source=redalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110312%286%29&utm_content=readmore&elq=c37481be769b4d429f06ad3b316f3258#ixzz1GQaFsiCn)

Japan's TEPCO preparing to release radiation from second reactor (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/us-japan-quake-tepco-radiation-idUSTRE72B3PJ20110312)

The radiation will be attached to particles and floating on the jet stream. Those in North America, Mexico and South America should be taking Lugol's or Iodoral asap.

[nearing]

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width/hash/3f/0e/3f0e07538dc5b8cdaf849f43ec744bc2.jpg

So much deception: who can we trust? NO ONE.

The City of London / and the usa has done so much damage........... Mother Earth is discussed with all of us ALL..., no matter who you 'think' you are, nor what you think you 'know'!? She will rise up and wipe us out if we don't change our world view.

http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/human-right-to-know-japanese-nuclear-melt-down-fall-out-threatens-hawaii


Hey starsmoonmtns, do you have an url for that image?

[Teakai]

It is not true that Potassium iodide can damage your thyroid. The ONLY case that would be true is if one has Hasimotos. It's like Vitamin C, whatever your body doesn't use will be peed out. Order Iodoral 12.5 mgs from Amazon and eat seaweed (lots) until it comes.

Hi Nearing - I didn't specify that it was potassium iodine - I just said (because she asked what it was for) and I felt like a bit of a d*ck, but I told her. And that's what she told me - so, I was just passing that on.

It might be a heap of crap - our supermarkets sell fluoride and salvia is illegal.

So - going by our record - you're likely right.
But, I couldn't buy any.

[nearing]

I am not surprised. Seems even the 'experts' don't really know a darn thing these days.

[Teakai]

It looks like USGS aren't reporting all earthquakes on their 3D map anymore either.

[Chuck]

Another report as of 25 min ago.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03-12/radiation-exceeds-regulatory-levels-at-japan-nuclear-plant.html

[astrid]

Url for that fall out map is here...


http://www.theweatherspace.com/news/images/31211k.jpg

http://www.theweatherspace.com/news/TWS-3_12_2011_meltdown.html


Okies UPDATE.... the above image has been pulled now being reported to be fake...


http://www.theweatherspace.com/news/TWS-3_12_2011_fakeimage.html


(TheWeatherSpace.com) -- A hoax is going around the Internet about a nuclear fallout map, which kills people in the Western United States.

The hoax is going around and has caught a few off guard. The Australian Radiation Services did not issue a fallout map that reaches the Western United States, including Canada.

There is not much to say about this other than it is a hoax. TWS has corrected and pulled the article.

[astrid]

Do we need to start a thread on radiation protection, survival , etc.. ???
I have no clues, in this area, but i already have people asking me for advice.

Harley has already posted some great advice,
but im thinking it deserves a thread of its own, to make it easy for people to find...

[bluestflame]

betonite clay removes toxins even radiation

http://bigthink.com/ideas/31595

"Plans were discussed to distribute iodine pills (to flood the thyroid gland with harmless iodine, to prevent radioactive iodine from concentrating in the thyroid and causing cancer.) These are last ditch measures in a nuclear accident. But fortunately, the reactor vessel (which actually contains the super hot uranium dioxide rods) was intact."

[Anchor]

In other words, I'm not praying for ET intervention but rather for the decision makers to get out of their ego mind and do what is best for their country men/women. It IS within their power to stop this.

If ET do intervene - you wont know it, the reactors will just cool and no-one will be able to explain how it happened :)

Both our methods are valid.

I honour your prayer.

Namaste

John..

[Chuck]

Here is some information on Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Electric_Power_Company

Folks, it doesn't look good. Some major credibility issues here. For instance:

Scandal

On August 29, 2002, the government of Japan revealed that TEPCO was guilty of false reporting in routine governmental inspection of its nuclear plants and systematic concealment of plant safety incidents. All seventeen of its boiling-water reactors were shut down for inspection as a result. TEPCO's president, Nobuya Minami, was later forced to resign, and the utility "eventually admitted to two hundred occasions over more than two decades between 1977 and 2002, involving the submission of false technical data to authorities".[3] Upon taking over leadership responsibilities, TEPCO's new president issued a public commitment that the company would take all the countermeasures necessary to prevent fraud and restore the nation's confidence. By the end of 2005, generation at suspended plants had been restarted, with government approval.

In 2007, however, the company announced to the public that an internal investigation had revealed a large number of unreported incidents. These included an unexpected unit criticality in 1978 and additional systematic false reporting, which hadn't been uncovered during the 2002 inquiry. Along with scandals at other Japanese electric companies, this failure to ensure corporate compliance resulted in strong public criticism of Japan's electric power industry and the nation's nuclear energy policy. Again the company made no effort to identify those responsible.

I pray that the engineers on site have the courage to do what is best for the Japanese public and the world!

[Maria Stade]

betonite clay removes toxins even radiation

Useful information Thank You !

[starsmoonmtns]

IT HAS FULLY EXPLODED ! Japan NUCLEAR REACTOR- RADIOACTIVE STEAM ON VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD9hIxOd2J4


NOT GOOD! Japan REACTOR - RODS MELT ! CONFIRMED - March 12, 2011


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faYG7OKr-XI

[starsmoonmtns]

dupe
sorry

[Chuck]

Some links about Tepco scandal thanks to Mari Takenouchi

http://greennuclearbutterfly.blogspot.com/2007/07/important-tepco-scandal-links-courtesy.html

some update english blogs in the links. Search for them lower down on left hand side.

Ethics, transparency... if not already a priority should be clear now, for the whole world.

[astrid]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/japan-says-nuclear-reactor-intact-but-confirms-radiation-leak-1.348742


Japan says nuclear reactor intact but confirms radiation leak
Government plays down fears of radiation leak, but Japanese nuclear agency spokesman acknowledges that fears of a meltdown remain;
Russian nuclear expert says Chernobyl-style meltdown was unlikely.
An explosion at a nuclear power station Saturday destroyed a building housing the reactor,
but a radiation leak was decreasing despite fears of a meltdown from damage caused by a powerful earthquake and tsunami, officials said.

Government spokesman Yukio Edano said the explosion destroyed the exterior walls of the building where the reactor is placed,
but not the actual metal housing enveloping the reactor.

[nearing]

160 people already diagnosed with radiation poisoning according to CTV.

[fourty-two]

In an article entitled Japan: Partial meltdown likely at 2nd reactor in USA Today, the "Oh that is nothing, just move along" spin is noted when the huge reinforced concrete building that blew its top off is referred to as "Unit 1 reactor was in trouble with an explosion destroying the walls of the room in which it is placed"
Powerful aftershocks continued to rock the country, including one Sunday with a magnitude of 6.2 that originated in the sea, about 111 miles east of Tokyo.

[Equalitor]

This might lead to, or be part of something totally extreme, and I wish to warn you all if that is the case. It's about the unbelievable foresights that came before this date, regarding Japan as well as the rest of us. Possibly being the last big adjustments before our poor mother tips over at a later stage. And yes, there should be a thread for this but if you have not read/seen this you should just in case. Theoretical time limit is two weeks if we perhaps do not manage to change it together. Came like a shock, but that's the wisdom of life. The more conscious a human, the fewer shocks will be experienced. Peace folks..... :ohwell:


BIG EARTHQUAKE TO COME! Get Away From the Fault Zones!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7QAZPb-IEQ)


A Vision March 11-13th, 2011 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1370536/pg1)


Joe Brandt Earthquake Dream (http://www.life-tabernacle.net/JoeBrandt.html)

[Icecold]

This might lead to, or be part of something totally extreme, and I wish to warn you all if that is the case. It's about the unbelievable foresights that came before this date, regarding Japan as well as the rest of us. Possibly being the last big adjustments before our poor mother tips over at a later stage. And yes, there should be a thread for this but if you have not read/seen this you should just in case. Theoretical time limit is two weeks if we perhaps do not manage to change it together. Came like a shock, but that's the wisdom of life. The more conscious a human, the fewer shocks will be experienced. Peace folks..... :ohwell:




BIG EARTHQUAKE TO COME! Get Away From the Fault Zones!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7QAZPb-IEQ)


A Vision March 11-13th, 2011 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1370536/pg1)


Joe Brandt Earthquake Dream (http://www.life-tabernacle.net/JoeBrandt.html)



Can we keep it in the real for now. :)

This is not helpful and is rumor and innuendo.

Thanks Equalitor.

¤=[Post Update]=¤




New report says Reactor Core could melt down and winds would/could blow towards North America.

News report says that people living near the Reactor have been given Iodine as a precautionary measure.

Question...If Iodine can be used as a precautionary measure against radiation poisoning,should we here in North America buy some before there's a run on it?

Anyone know the doses? I'll go Google. But can't be too careful right?

Hi Shybastid - I went to buy some and the chemist said they don't sell it, because it can really damage your thyroid if you take it and don't need it.
She said if you needed it it would have to be through a doctor or government issue.

So - eat lots of leafy green vegies and brocoli.

It is not true that Potassium iodide can damage your thyroid. The ONLY case that would be true is if one has Hasimotos. It's like Vitamin C, whatever your body doesn't use will be peed out. Order Iodoral 12.5 mgs from Amazon and eat seaweed (lots) until it comes.


Order Iodoral 12.5 mgs from Amazon and eat seaweed (lots) until it comes.

Yes, I have two large bottles on hand. Very useful supplement.

A supplement needs to contain both...Iodine and Potassium Iodide.

[nearing]

Japan Nuclear Reactors Failing! Death Toll Rises! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fM55y2PtPg)

[nearing]

California ‘closely monitoring’ Japan nuclear leak (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/12/california-closely-monitoring-japan-nuclear-leak/)

While US nuclear experts acknowledged the seriousness of Japan's reactor crisis, some stressed that taking steps in the United States such as distributing iodine tablets -- which prevent iodine 131 from being absorbed into the body -- would be "vastly premature."

wow! yeah, we wouldn't want to be prepared or anything...

[Chuck]

more updates on the nuclear reactors

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2011/03/13/tracking-the-fallout-and-falsehoods-at-***ushima/


hmmm the only way to get that link to work is if you substitute *** with the letters 'f 'and 'u' and 'k'

[Dionysus]

Important decision are delayed because they don't want to destroy the reactors (by flooding them) until they have to. I pray that management training of maximizing shareholder value gets bumped by a still small voice... quickly!

In other words, I'm not praying for ET intervention but rather for the decision makers to get out of their ego mind and do what is best for their country men/women. It IS within their power to stop this.


Of all the religions on this planet, the most dangerous one may well be the cult of shareholder value. It has a lock on peoples minds just as strong as any other religion we like to (justifiably IMO) disparage.

[Chuck]

Important decision are delayed because they don't want to destroy the reactors (by flooding them) until they have to. I pray that management training of maximizing shareholder value gets bumped by a still small voice... quickly!

In other words, I'm not praying for ET intervention but rather for the decision makers to get out of their ego mind and do what is best for their country men/women. It IS within their power to stop this.


Of all the religions on this planet, the most dangerous one may well be the cult of shareholder value. It has a lock on peoples minds just as strong as any other religion we like to (justifiably IMO) disparage.

I agree Dionysus. Especially when you consider that Tepco is one of the most powerful companies in Japan with considerable political influence. Tongues will wag, wankers will be called out on this one when stock value plummets.

... meanwhile millions of lives are at risk because the wankers were concerned about their retirement packages.

[Icecold]

A good graphic of the damaged reactor sites.......

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/12/world/asia/the-explosion-at-the-japanese-reactor.html?ref=asia

[mondaze]

i found your post very helpful equalitor. thank you.

[Dionysus]

I wanted to post some thoughts on the BBC footage of the explosion at the ***ushima plant last night after I had viewed it, but my WiFi link kept dropping, and it was not feasible. I have now caught up on this thread, and will add some other thoughts as well.

First off, I would like to thank the poster who was able to provide the freeze frame shots from the footage, which seems to indicate that it was not a reactor containment building that was destroyed in the explosion, but don't recall who it was. (Harley?) That appears to be good news.

When viewing the BBC footage from the farther out angle, I can clearly see what appears to be a shock wave, with a small condensation cloud forming and rapidly dissipating above the blast. This is a very common atmospheric effect of a shock wave, and is quite likely why the commentator referred to it as a very energetic blast, possibly caused by a hydrogen explosion. (Bless the BBC for keeping a more objective stance than the news-as-entertainment here in the USA) I think that is the most likely explanation. It does not look at all like an explosion caused by steam pressure overcoming the reactor building, which would not likely cause a shock wave, and which would release a huge plume of steam. It was a big explosion, yet only 4 people were injured. This concurs with the report someone else posted about the engineers hooking up hoses to pour water on a fire in the reactor, knowing the danger, hence most people were well out of danger when the blast occurred.

Caesium-137 is produced from a uranium fission reaction, and caesium reacts very violently with water, tearing the oxygen from the water molecule and liberating hydrogen. The heat of the reaction itself is usually enough to the 'ignite' the hydrogen in the surrounding air. (Never thought high school chemistry would come in handy like this :) ) Why there was so much hydrogen to cause such a big explosion is something I can't answer, but this might be explained by such a scenario. Especially if they were venting the hydrogen into another container to keep it away from oxygen in the air, and something gave way during an aftershock.

In a worst-case scenario, which I see no evidence for in anything yet posted, of a reactor building and containment building being demolished by steam pressure, a cloud of steam carrying radioactive material would be released. So, how does a cloud of steam, at sea level, get into the jet stream? I suspect that all those scenarios floating around are just fear-mongering. Yes, a lot of people are scared, but I think we need to stop sometimes and think about some of these claims. Radioactive material released at sea level is not going to get up into the jet stream, in the stratosphere, unless carried up there by a very powerful updraft. the only occasions I know of this happening were during the megaton yield thermonuclear atmospheric tests during the 50s and early 60s, and only because those mushroom clouds rose, in some cases to 100,000 feet, carrying the fallout with them into the upper stratosphere.

A nuclear reactor can't explode like a nuclear bomb. Melt down, yes; explode no. A meltdown is a very serious scenario, but not apocalyptic. If such occurred, I doubt the amount of radioactive material that would eventually reach North America would be much of a health concern. On the other hand, I would not want to be downwind for at least a hundred miles if that happened. Those in Japan should take what precautions are indicated by the authorities, just don't panic unnecessarily.

Something to keep in mind: We all have radioactive material in our bodies in tiny amounts - carbon-14. It's in all living things, which is how carbon-14 dating works. Problems arise when someone gets a large dose of radiation directly (not an issue in a meltdown scenario, only in a nuclear explosion) or when fallout enters into the body by being breathed in or ingested. There is always tiny amounts of said radioactive material in the air we breathe and substances we eat, but the dose is so low as to be of no concern. Life has evolved on this planet with all this occurring naturally, and our bodies can handle those levels of radiation. It is a large dose in a short period of time that our bodies aren't equipped to handle well. Of the various radioactive isotopes, strontium-90 is perhaps the most dangerous, because it can be fixed in the body wherever calcium is, especially in the bones. Since bone marrow is where red blood cells are made, a common (long term) result of radiation poisoning from strontium-90 is leukemia.

Disclaimer: I am neither a physicist, nor a doctor. I am offering what I know from a layperson's perspective. I do consider myself scientifically educated, and have read much on these subjects, but this is a distillation of that knowledge, not professional opinion.

Edit: Looks like I was wrong about the explosion not being in one of the reactor buildings. Doesn't change the big picture though.

[Amer]

This might lead to, or be part of something totally extreme, and I wish to warn you all if that is the case. It's about the unbelievable foresights that came before this date, regarding Japan as well as the rest of us. Possibly being the last big adjustments before our poor mother tips over at a later stage. And yes, there should be a thread for this but if you have not read/seen this you should just in case. Theoretical time limit is two weeks if we perhaps do not manage to change it together. Came like a shock, but that's the wisdom of life. The more conscious a human, the fewer shocks will be experienced. Peace folks..... :ohwell:


BIG EARTHQUAKE TO COME! Get Away From the Fault Zones!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7QAZPb-IEQ)


A Vision March 11-13th, 2011 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1370536/pg1)


Joe Brandt Earthquake Dream (http://www.life-tabernacle.net/JoeBrandt.html)

May I just ask if this girl shouting on youtube made this prediction before the Japanese earthquake? And if it's true this astrophysicist Michio Kaku mentioned in the video actually also talks on ET contact?

[Ruby L.]

Been getting some good updates from Green Action: Working for a Nuclear Free Japan (http://www.greenaction-japan.org/modules/wordpress1/index.php?p=2).

Caught this:

CITIZENS NUCLEAR INFORMATION CENTER (CNIC) PRESS CONFERENCE
(In Japanese with English interpreting)

CNIC will hold a press conference at 7:30 tonight (Tokyo time) at the Foreign Correspondents Club of Japan. We are preparing to have it broadcast live on the following link:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/cnic-news

Please check your time zones and tune in.

It will be in Japanese with English interpreting. Speakers will include nuclear experts associated with CNIC who will analyse the unfolding disaster at the nuclear power plants in Fookushima.

Time:
7:30p.m. Tokyo Time
6:30a.m. EST USA (please confirm, time conversion may be wrong.)
10:30am London
11:30am Paris

CNIC website (http://cnic.jp/english/)

[araucaria]

For a discussion of the nuclear issue by people who seem to know what they are talking about and unwilling to accept MSM news as gospel, try http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/03/11/nuclear-meltdown-race-to-save-reactors-in-japan/#more-35763

[Dionysus]

The following is speculation. Given these points:

An earlier post reproduced part of a Russian report, dated Mar 9th IIRC, that noted that unusual atmospheric effects were observed along the west coast of North America and South America, as well as along the New Madrid fault. Such effects, including 'lights in the sky' have been recorded throughout history preceding large earthquakes, and long before HAARP ever existed, and has often been suggested as a possible way to predict major earthquakes. If this current situation was noted in the public domain, it is certain that TPTB are well aware of this too.

I thought it odd when somewhere it was mentioned that part of Japan is on the North American plate. I checked it out - it's true. see: http://geology.com/plate-tectonics.shtml. Scroll about halfway down the page to the map. Where this earthquake occurred, off northern Honshu, is near where the North American and Pacific plates meet.

It has been mentioned elsewhere to expect a major quake along the New Madrid fault sometime in the next two weeks, due, at least in part, to the current planetary / lunar situation.

A possible scenario that would tie these elements together runs something like this: If HAARP was used to trigger the quake off Japan, and I think this is certainly a possibility, it might have been done to lessen the chance of a major quake somewhere on the west coast of North America. Essentially a "better them than us" sort of mentality by whoever ordered it. This doesn't excuse it in the slightest. The location of the quake may have been simply because there were already quakes happening there, suggesting this was the least stable point anywhere along the boundary between these two plates, and the easiest place to trigger a major quake to release a lot of energy. I would be very curious to see if the situation in the atmosphere along the west coasts of NA and SA has changed since.

Somehow, I get the sense of children playing with things they don't really understand, and can't really control, in such a possible action. They may be desperate.

The reason that the New Madrid fault may expect a major quake soon is that it is not dependent on the mechanics of NA and Pacific plates, and any 'pressure' building there can't be so released elsewhere.

This is speculation. Make of it what you will.

[Chuck]

Yes Dionysus I saw that report as well. Fulford has also speculated the use of HAARP for generating the Japan earthquake. His evidence were the observed light phenomenon preceding the quake. As you mention this is a natural phenomenon... called the piezoelectric effect. When a quartz crystal is strained (squeezed) a voltage gets induced. The principle used in quartz crystal watches. Most of the sedimentary rock are made of quartz. So when large stresses are induced just prior to fault slippage large electric voltage potentials are created.The reverse is also true which Fulford thinks is happening. By inducing large EM voltages in the ionosphere, quartz grains deform (squeeze). Maybe man made, maybe not.

I think you are right though... the next coming weeks will be 'stressful'.

[Chuck]

oh... just an aside... I think this voltage change (piezoelectric effect) is what animals detect seconds before a quake.

[Teakai]

May I just ask if this girl shouting on youtube made this prediction before the Japanese earthquake? And if it's true this astrophysicist Michio Kaku mentioned in the video actually also talks on ET contact?
[/INDENT]

Yes she did, Amer - I put it up on my facebook page early that morning and I heard about the earthquake in Japan later that evening - around 6:30 (in Australian time)

And here's the video of M K doing an ET talk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUEkcSdcTEw

[Teakai]

I wonder how Ski's doing - it feels like ages since he checked in.

[Hervé]

A little visual summary of the increase of the number of EQs within 24 hours...

Starting with the 9.1 (8.8) culprit. white>3; grey>4; yellow>5; orange>6; red>7

Looks more like a mosquito cloud.

[Hervé]

Then there are those seismograms... recording the Earth ringing:

[araucaria]

Just now on French Tv, French nationals being advised to get out of Tokyo - 70 percent risk of the Big One under Tokyo in the next three days

[jcocks]

Latest on CNN is that officials are warning that another blast at the reactor site is highly likely...:(

[Harley]

Just checkin in with you.

So what's goin on? You and everyone ok?

I've been off line for a few hours, but meltdowns have been confirmed by the Japanese Gov.

I really want to stress to you to be prepared like I said, OK?

Just prepare ahead of time. If nothing happens you'll be none the wiser. But if it does, you'll love me for the rest of your life! LOL!

And remember, be absolutely serious about this but always keep your levity intact. Levity can be very important in dire circumstances. Believe me, I know! :)

Ski, this is really important to me because I know what I'm talking about. Because I've been there under "other" circumstances.

Harley

[sygh]

It is not true that Potassium iodide can damage your thyroid. The ONLY case that would be true is if one has Hasimotos. It's like Vitamin C, whatever your body doesn't use will be peed out. Order Iodoral 12.5 mgs from Amazon and eat seaweed (lots) until it comes.

Hi Nearing - I didn't specify that it was potassium iodine - I just said (because she asked what it was for) and I felt like a bit of a d*ck, but I told her. And that's what she told me - so, I was just passing that on.

It might be a heap of crap - our supermarkets sell fluoride and salvia is illegal.

So - going by our record - you're likely right.
But, I couldn't buy any.

I don't know if anyone has posted this yet but there is a substance called Atomidine (atomic iodine) and it is digestable, when taken with water. It is also easily ordered through BAAR via the internet.

http://www.baar.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?

[Harley]

And I apologize if this has been posted earlier.

This is text BREAKING NEWS to me (From CNN):

7:35 PM (9 Hours ago)

"We are assuming that a meltdown has occurred" at a quake-damaged nuclear reactor, Japan's chief Cabinet secretary says.

AND

4:03 AM (2 Hours Ago)

-- Japanese prime minister: Country facing most difficult crisis since World War II.

[aikya]

A must read...................

***ushima Nuclear Accident – a simple and accurate explanation

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/***ushima-simple-explanation/

Please see this excellent summary on the situation prepared by Dr Josef Oehmen, a research scientist at MIT, in Boston. He is a PhD Scientist, whose father has extensive experience in Germany’s nuclear industry.




I am writing this text (Mar 12) to give you some peace of mind regarding some of the troubles in Japan, that is the safety of Japan’s nuclear reactors. Up front, the situation is serious, but under control. And this text is long! But you will know more about nuclear power plants after reading it than all journalists on this planet put together.

There was and will *not* be any significant release of radioactivity.

By “significant” I mean a level of radiation of more than what you would receive on – say – a long distance flight, or drinking a glass of beer that comes from certain areas with high levels of natural background radiation.

I have been reading every news release on the incident since the earthquake. There has not been one single (!) report that was accurate and free of errors (and part of that problem is also a weakness in the Japanese crisis communication). By “not free of errors” I do not refer to tendentious anti-nuclear journalism – that is quite normal these days. By “not free of errors” I mean blatant errors regarding physics and natural law, as well as gross misinterpretation of facts, due to an obvious lack of fundamental and basic understanding of the way nuclear reactors are build and operated. I have read a 3 page report on CNN where every single paragraph contained an error.

We will have to cover some fundamentals, before we get into what is going on.



Full article on: http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/***ushima-simple-explanation/

Original source: http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/

[Harley]

So a breaking news report directly from the gov should be disregarded?

Hmmm?

[aikya]

So a breaking news report directly from the gov should be disregarded?

Hmmm?


I don't at all get the impression that's what this article is suggesting.

From my reading of it, there's a difference between a 'meltdown' and a 'core meltdown'. I'm not sure which one the Japanese spokesperson is referring to.

Even in the worst case scenario of a core meltdown, the article suggests that the radioactivity will be contained and we are not looking at another Chenobyl type disaster.

I hope he is right. :)

[sllim11]

So a breaking news report directly from the gov should be disregarded?

Hmmm?

????????????????? what is going on, really?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Question for Harley : My friend , in your experience using the 2 earth quakes NZ and Jap, where are most likely to hit next if at all ? Do you think it will go West across the south of asia minor ? or continue North ?

[Agape]

A must read...................

Full article on: http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/***ushima-simple-explanation/

Original source: http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/

It sounds more like a school essay, the type you write to sooth your conscience after helping to build hundreds of nuclear plants all over the world,
so how these 'kids' of yours could ever do serious damage eh

People of this calibre will try to deny radiation leaks affecting generations and imply that anyone without their qualification is unable to evaluate the risks.


Why don't more experts join in to help in the ***ushima ? All world is watching it so why those with experience don't join the team there ?

Aren't they scared.


:hug:

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

I just had to cancel a few jobs for next weekend that would of forced us to stay within 70km of F,,,kushima for 3 days. They were disappointed that we cancelled in which I said that I was disappointed in them trying the old (the show must go on) when you'll be encouraging thousands of people to travel very close to an unstable nuclear plant. END OF.

Just had a loud message over my area that electricity will be turned off in parts of Tokyo and other ridiculously overly lit up areas to compensate the lack of energy because of the shutting down of plants. Yes they say another explosion is expected at the plants tonight or tomorrow. Oh! and they say another huge aftershock is expected. Maybe at a similar magnitude as the *checks thread title again* 9.1.
These are rumors but they are expecting another big one.

We are in the process of packing up and readying ourselves to get out of Japan altogether.

I'm sure you guys are getting different reports than what we get here. I'm tired of listening to repeated rubbish on T.V. and so is everyone else. We just want to know whats going on inside the plant ffs.

Of course I believe the big boys are going to take full advantage of this opportunity.
So whats more beneficial?
A heroic PHEW!! that was close - or a huge disaster (nuclear related)

So we plan on taking a flight out.. not sure where yet?

Love & light

Ski-

[jjl]

Thanks Ski, we are all on the edge of our seats, white knuckled in worry for you. If you have pass ports, it doesnt matter where you go. Take the first seats on a plane ANYWHERE! If you end up in nyc, you can stay in CT with us, jj

[benevolentcrow]

I just had to cancel a few jobs for next weekend that would of forced us to stay within 70km of F,,,kushima for 3 days. They were disappointed that we cancelled in which I said that I was disappointed in them trying the old (the show must go on) when you'll be encouraging thousands of people to travel very close to an unstable nuclear plant. END OF.

Just had a loud message over my area that electricity will be turned off in parts of Tokyo and other ridiculously overly lit up areas to compensate the lack of energy because of the shutting down of plants. Yes they say another explosion is expected at the plants tonight or tomorrow. Oh! and they say another huge aftershock is expected. Maybe at a similar magnitude as the *checks thread title again* 9.1.
These are rumors but they are expecting another big one.

We are in the process of packing up and readying ourselves to get out of Japan altogether.

I'm sure you guys are getting different reports than what we get here. I'm tired of listening to repeated rubbish on T.V. and so is everyone else. We just want to know whats going on inside the plant ffs.

Of course I believe the big boys are going to take full advantage of this opportunity.
So whats more beneficial?
A heroic PHEW!! that was close - or a huge disaster (nuclear related)

So we plan on taking a flight out.. not sure where yet?

Love & light

Ski-

Have a safe journey, I think it is a wise move. Not a place anyone would want to be right now. Love to you and your family.

[jjl]

I believe one good thing will come from this. It's time to dismantle ALL Nuke Plants. ( plea to my Creator) Please don't make the cost any higher than it needs to be!

[edina]

Thanks, for all the updates, again, SKIB, again, if there is any way we can help, let us know.
Godspeed to you and your loved ones.

[Harley]

So a breaking news report directly from the gov should be disregarded?

Hmmm?


I don't at all get the impression that's what this article is suggesting.

From my reading of it, there's a difference between a 'meltdown' and a 'core meltdown'. I'm not sure which one the Japanese spokesperson is referring to.

Even in the worst case scenario of a core meltdown, the article suggests that the radioactivity will be contained and we are not looking at another Chenobyl type disaster.

I hope he is right. :)



So a breaking news report directly from the gov should be disregarded?

Hmmm?

????????????????? what is going on, really?

Aikya,

I'm only quoting what I get across from CNN Text Breaking News.

From what they say it is official from the Japanese Gov.

If they finally want to report the truth I am educated enough to realize that.

There are two questions I'd like to ask you:

1. Was (is) your man there now?

2. When we talk about meltdown in a nuclear situation, do you really not know what we mean?

I want you to know that I truly don't want to sound condescending to you, but I feel that it really is DIRELY IMPORTANT that we don't allow ourselves to stick our heads in the sand. AND ESPECIALLY DURING THESE TIMES.

Like I said, BE PREPARED. I can guarantee you . . . You WILL Thank yourself!

Harley