Life is not a game

[jorr lundstrom]

This is one of the biggest problem in this game. Its hard to imagine that people

can be somegalomaniac and sinister, as to do those things

to others. But its totally clear that there is and has always the kind of people who

are capable of doing these things. The difference today is only that the tools get

stronger and stronger.

The question is wot to do. If you want to stop it ultimately you have to take out

the one who doesit. If I do that they say I become like them. But its not true. I

have to live with it because I have aconscience, which they havent.

And that makes a great difference. They are born constructed in

totally different manner than the almost everybody else. They are born without

the ability tofeel empathy and compassion and they cant evolve it either.

What most see as a tragedy they see as an asset,

not be burdened by emotions and love. This way of functioning is inherited by

recessive genes, thats whyblood-lines are so important.

But the ratio of this way to function is increasing among humans the whole time.

That depends on that most with these genes dont belong to any specific blood-

line and spread the genesat random. Its a horrible situation.

Life is not a game because life has no rules, only games have.

But today life has been turned into a game and as long as we live

our lives as if it was a game all this will continue.

So we can start with breaking the progamming that makes us

aproach life as if it is a game.:flame::flame::flame:

[Newlyn]

Oh i get your point here Jorr, and thanks for your words! I can agree, it's a responsability we have to take.

But you can not convince me that life is not a game, or a joyous play, because that's exactly what it is as it's best! :)

Love!

[panopticon]

G'day Jorr,

I agree with your point and appreciate Newlyn's as well.
To play at work, work at play and treat every moment as a child staring in wonder at the glory of the world.
That is play.
There are no rules other than those created by others to control the games.
To control the joy and the fun.
To view the world through the eyes of a child doesn't mean being "simple" or easily controlled.
Quite the reverse.
The child mind is easy to find so why not go looking for a bit?
Skip through puddles. Sing nursery rhymes. Play, play, play I say, Play, Play Play!

Enjoy the chaos, throw off laws, discard expectations for but a moment and discover true freedom.

It's almost 1 am so enjoy the game while I "sleep the sleep of the just".

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[jorr lundstrom]

Please dont mix games with playing. Then you do wot they want you to. To mix play with a game

is a program. In a game there are rules, and when making you belive that life is a game, they

supply the rules we are suppose to follow. If we follow their rules we are regarded to do the

right thing. In a game there are winners and losers. In life we are all winners. We are all the

sperm who won the race, who reached the egg first. It was a gigantic deed. We won life. No need

for more competitions after that one.

In a play there are no winners, no losers, its a dynamic play of energy. So play and enjoy life.

Love and carrots on me.

[Odah]

This is a game .. YOu first have to figure out why you are playing to get a clue of what the real rules are. The current phase of the game is don't wake up from it . If you are still in the phase where you think killing of those who are in control will do any good. You are not awake. Plannign to kill them doesn't make you like them .. IT keeps you exactally how they want you to be. You don't even know who the real players in control of this are .. they are quite hidden and quite spread out..

The only way to win this game is to figure out how to not play again.

[Rog]

Personally I think taking a life is not inherently wrong, it's an undeniable aspect of life. The situation with all of this though is that you can't think any of us are in an actual position to accomplish much with those tactics. The truth is if these guys have a world of 7+ billion bent over their knee, I'm sure they've gone through all the motions to construct a labrynth of unknowable/unprovable culpability in between us and them.

There's a difference between defending your own life or someone else's against someone who has physically made their intentions and actions apparent to you, and someone who's hiding underneath "1000" layers of shadow. There could be a never-ending trail of tears and blood before anything is resolved.

Another aspect of this arguement is in the metaphor of a self-defense scenario where there's a you that's an Aikido master and a you that's not.

The Aikido master knows how to resolve the situation non-violently, those skills and techniques are on the forefront of his consciousness. For him he has the options to react violently or non-violently.

Whereas the average defendant has the choices of "get busy living, or get busy dieing", to put it poetically.

Some now might reference the story of what I believe was either a Tibetan or Shaolin monk defying some comeabout general. To paraphrase it went along like.....

Gen- "Do you have any idea who I am!? I could put a blade through your stomach and none would stop me!"
Monk- "Do you have any idea who I am? You could put a blade through my stomach and I would not stop you."

Some might see this and think, "Oh man, that guy's enlightened." I see it and think "What an arrogant pr..." Holding his consciousness over the head of the general in the same exact egoic manner as the general holds the blade.

This whole predicament isn't just about our own "frequency" or "level" of consciousness, it's about sharing a planet with those who wish to atleast temporarily destroy it and us. And us shaking off our fears of what it means to be alive in this dimension.

Think of the difference between a $5 and $50,000 investment gone right or wrong. It's not the amount of money that makes the investment right or wrong, it's the specificness of the environment of the situation and how you percieved it to be compared to how it actually was. The degree of investment is what weighs upon you afterward. I don't say this to objectify life in any way, I just think too many people are wrongly put-off by this aspect of life.

It's known or should be known that most situations created by TPTB are done not for singular reasons but for a multitude. So along with making lots of profit and other gains, I believe the wars we have experienced from Iraq, Vietnam, back to the 100 years war and beyond involved traumitizing us against the act of violence as something to mend a situation. Very, very similiar to Hitler having German's small arms taken away; you're minimizing the effective means by which the just people may defend themselves. There's a large difference between a war between masses and an individual or smaller group of individuals receiving what's coming to them for their unrelenting sabtoge of society.

Wow, heh, I ended up writing alot.

My actual opinion is that we should take it upon ourselves to become the Aikido masters, but not for a moment should we walk with shame or doubt if we are not capable of that in the moment we must respond.

[Davidallany]

I think that the most important thing in the game of life is to not to be selfish, to help others without expecting a reward and be honest with ones self.

[Anchor]

Define game: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=define:game


# a contest with rules to determine a winner; "you need four people to play this game"
# a single play of a sport or other contest; "the game lasted two hours"
# an amusement or pastime; "they played word games"; "he thought of his painting as a game that filled his empty time"; "his life was all fun and games"
# animal hunted for food or sport
# (tennis) a division of play during which one player serves
# (games) the score at a particular point or the score needed to win; "the game is 6 all"; "he is serving for the game"
# the flesh of wild animals that is used for food
# plot: a secret scheme to do something (especially something underhand or illegal); "they concocted a plot to discredit the governor"; "I saw through his little game from the start"
# the game equipment needed in order to play a particular game; "the child received several games for his birthday"
# your occupation or line of work; "he's in the plumbing game"; "she's in show biz"
# crippled: disabled in the feet or legs; "a crippled soldier"; "a game leg"
# bet on: place a bet on; "Which horse are you backing?"; "I'm betting on the new horse"
# frivolous or trifling behavior; "for actors, memorizing lines is no game"; "for him, life is all fun and games"
# willing to face danger

Now, does life resemble any of those definitions?

Winners, loosers, amusement ?

Perhaps life is not a "game". Perhaps it is more like a "play" in which we are the scriptwriters.

John..

[jmj12]

Life is a game for sure!! how you play is up to you, you must become selfish, for before you can help others one should first provide self needs.GREED/DESIRES/WANTS, no thats another matter he who thinks he is more than another needs to look inside

[Maria Stade]

Life is a game for sure!! how you play is up to you, you must become selfish, for before you can help others one should first provide self needs.GREED/DESIRES/WANTS, no thats another matter he who thinks he is more than another needs to look inside

A real spirit killer ! :smokin:

[thewebkid]

I gotta respond to this.

I LOVE your post. It speaks to the reality that we live in that we are continually met with a reality that is counter to what we feel inside our essence - inside our bones.

That we are lonely, disconnected, fragmented, victimized... this is what culturally confronts us daily.

We also have a mind that avoids pain. It is genetic. We avoid pain by being passive aggressive, pretending everything is dandy when life SUCKS, and we say that that is a GAME.

The real game is an inner one.

One we tussle with on the interior.

We really ARE connected, loved, cherished, adored, and have infinite power. We know it at the core of our being. How the HELL do we bridge that within the exterior world?

Now that is a game.

I have written extensively about this in my writings about the anti-well-being machine and the tree fruit mixup (click on my buttofcosmicjoke link in my signature).

I am soooooo learning to bridge this iteratively. WE can pull this together my friends. New seeds have been sown and the harvest is closer and closer. Stay open. The fun is about to begin.

Feel it. Know it.

Thank you for your authenticity. Sending warmth and love to anyone who happens to read this thread (yes you, silly reader)...

[FrankoL]

Life is a hidden game. Indeed there are a lot of rules. The funny thing is that you cannot step away from them. Game rules are that strong. I am sure you have notice them so far. Anyhow in POV it is better to play the game than stay apart and watching it to unfold.

[Icecold]

Part of the Program.......The Game of Life


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/CheckeredGameofLife.jpg


The modern game consists of a track on which players travel by spinning a small wheel with spaces numbered 1 through 10 located in the middle of the board. The board also contains small mountains, buildings, and other three-dimensional objects. Playing pieces are small, colored, plastic automobiles which come in red, blue, white, yellow, orange, and green; each car has six holes in the top in which blue and/or pink "people pegs" are placed throughout the game as the player "gets married" and has or adopts "children". Some "early modern" editions have eight automobiles.
Each game also includes a setup for a bank, which includes play money (in denominations of $1,000, $5,000, $10,000, $20,000, $50,000, and $100,000), insurance policies (automobile, life, fire, and/or homeowners' insurance depending on the version), $20,000 promissory notes and stock certificates. Other tangibles vary with the game version.







Rule Enforcement
Factor I
As in every social system approach, stability is achieved only by understanding and accounting for human nature (action/reaction patterns). A failure to do so can be, and usually is, disastrous.

As in other human social schemes, one form or another of intimidation (or incentive) is essential to the success of the draft. Physical principles of action and reaction must be applied to both internal and external subsystems.

To secure the draft, individual brainwashing/programming and both the family unit and the peer group must be engaged and brought under control.




The Game Pieces:

Factor II - Father
The man of the household must be housebroken to ensure that junior will grow up with the right social training and attitudes. The advertising media, etc., are engaged to see to it that father-to-be is pussy-whipped before or by the time he is married. He is taught that he either conforms to the social notch cut out for him or his sex life will be hobbled and his tender companionship will be zero. He is made to see that women demand security more than logical, principled, or honorable behavior.

By the time his son must go to war, father (with jelly for a backbone) will slam a gun into junior's hand before father will risk the censure of his peers, or make a hypocrite of himself by crossing the investment he has in his own personal opinion or self-esteem. Junior will go to war or father will be embarrassed. So junior will go to war, the true purpose not withstanding.

Factor III - Mother

The female element of human society is ruled by emotion first and logic second. In the battle between logic and imagination, imagination always wins, fantasy prevails, maternal instinct dominates so that the child comes first and the future comes second. A woman with a newborn baby is too starry-eyed to see a wealthy man's cannon fodder or a cheap source of slave labor. A woman must, however, be conditioned to accept the transition to "reality" when it comes, or sooner.
As the transition becomes more difficult to manage, the family unit must be carefully disintegrated, and state-controlled public education and state-operated child-care centers must be become more common and legally enforced so as to begin the detachment of the child from the mother and father at an earlier age. Inoculation of behavioral drugs [Ritalin] can speed the transition for the child (mandatory). Caution: A woman's impulsive anger can override her fear. An irate woman's power must never be underestimated, and her power over a pussy-whipped husband must likewise never be underestimated. It got women the vote in 1920.

Factor IV - Junior

The emotional pressure for self-preservation during the time of war and the self-serving attitude of the common herd that have an option to avoid the battlefield - if junior can be persuaded to go - is all of the pressure finally necessary to propel Johnny off to war. Their quiet blackmailings of him are the threats: "No sacrifice, no friends; no glory, no girlfriends."

Factor V - Sister

And what about junior's sister? She is given all the good things of life by her father, and taught to expect the same from her future husband regardless of the price.

Factor VI - Cattle

Those who will not use their brains are no better off than those who have no brains, and so this mindless school of jelly-fish, father, mother, son, and daughter, become useful beasts of burden or trainers of the same.




Joseph Chilton Pearce writes:

Occasionally we hear of people found chained in attics and such places from infancy. Their world view is either scanty or different for they are always feeble minded at best. In 1951 a child was found in an Irish chicken-house, having somehow survived there with the chickens, since infancy. The ten-year old's long hair was matted with filth; he ate at the chicken trough; roosted with the flock; his fingernails had grown, fittingly, to semicircular claws; he made chicken-like noises, not surprisingly; he had no speech and showed no promise of learning any in the time he survived his rescue.
Forty years ago there was interest in two feral children found in India. They had apparently been raised by wolves. They were taken from an actual wolf den along with some cubs, the older wolves scattering or being killed. One of the children, Kamala they called her, survived for nine years. Only with difficulty was she taught table manners and such niceties as walking on the hind legs. Nevertheless she exhibited a growing awareness of the reward system of her new group, and displayed a strong drive toward such orientation. As with the chicken-child, however, she had missed the formative period of human infant development, and there was no easy or complete going back to retrace the steps. Kamala had formed according to the pattern eliciting response around her during her mirroring [imprinting] period. For her first two years of captivity - or rescue - she howled faithfully at ten, twelve, and three at night, as all Indian wolves do. She would also, in spite of precautions, manage to get at the chickens, rip them apart alive and eat them raw. Only when the new social reward system grew strong enough to outweigh the earlier rewards did she abandon her early training. [The Crack in the Cosmic Egg, 1971]

[jorr lundstrom]

I thank you all posters in this thread. I do not agree with all that is said though.

Of obvious reasons I have to say that if I have clicked the

thank-triangle by your post it just means that I have read it,

nothing more, just a reciept. All other interpretations of my purpose with

clicking the triangle are in the eyes of the beholder.

According to play/game, I still hold for true that life is a play, never a game.

There are forces that apparently want us to approach life as a game.

I dont think its a coincidence that an apparent game is called Playstation.

But if anyone wuold liketo treat their own life as a game I have nothing against it.

Each and everyone may make his/her own choices, of course.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E9Nu8JinM0


Love and carrots on the house

[Icecold]

Thanks for posting that clip Jorr.

It compliments my post above.

They can say that they bunged on two world wars and invited a bunch of sleepwalkers.

Charming. Can they go for three times lucky or will everybody say, we don't want to play your game any longer.

Piss off, we're staying home in the garden with the chickens and rabbits.

[ulli]

Thanks for posting that clip Jorr.

It compliments my post above.

They can say that they bunged on two world wars and invited a bunch of sleepwalkers.

Charming. Can they go for three times lucky or will everybody say, we don't want to play your game any longer.

Piss off, we're staying home in the garden with the chickens and rabbits.


Lots of chickens and rabbitts everywhere, ever since the abolishment of the draft.

But then comes another disaster (think Katrina) and a new underclass with it, who they can recruit from.

Isn't nowadays every war machine supplied by con-tractors?

[InCiDeR]

http://www.thoughttheater.com/GameOfLife.jpg

[Newlyn]

I thank you all posters in this thread. I do not agree with all that is said though.

Of obvious reasons I have to say that if I have clicked the

thank-triangle by your post it just means that I have read it,

nothing more, just a reciept. All other interpretations of my purpose with

clicking the triangle are in the eyes of the beholder.

According to play/game, I still hold for true that life is a play, never a game.

There are forces that apparently want us to approach life as a game.

I dont think its a coincidence that an apparent game is called Playstation.

But if anyone wuold liketo treat their own life as a game I have nothing against it.

Each and everyone may make his/her own choices, of course.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E9Nu8JinM0


Love and carrots on the house


Thank you for this. Joan Baez is a favourite, and always a good choice.

I don't really trust words. Game, Play, and so on. But I really think I understand what you mean.

It's like... you have to be aware that you are playing a game. And that you have been playing a game that you don't like and don't want to support anymore.

Then you realize that you can create. You see who you are, and what you are capable of. And you create your own game, and it becomes a play. You realize connections between you and everybody else, and you don't want to play any selfish game that makes your brothers and sisters suffer anymore.

Just some thoughts.

[jorr lundstrom]

Thank you Newlyn for your ideas on this. I would like to explain my point of view like this and

we will se if its clear enough. Life as such is no game. You can choose to play games in your life if

you so like. We are been taught from early in life to compare, thats okey because in that way

we learn differences and similarities. But then we are taught to attatch values to the differences.

We learn that we are better if we run faster, is better on math, if we get higher marks

in school and so on. So we learn to compete with others. And this program continues through

most peoples life. But a human being is an end to him/herself and dont have to compete with

anyone, not even with him/herself. Competing is a source to a lot of disaster. Love

[Newlyn]

Yes I understand.

It's playing a game you never really chose.

[firstlook]

It's playing a game you never really chose.

I dont believe thats true. I think we all want to play this game in some degree or another.

[modwiz]

I like the OP's take on games that they have rules and, more importantly, they have winners and losers. There is no escaping that simple fact. There can be gracious winners and good sports (losers) but a game has competition at the core of its concept.

Play is different. You can play without playing a game.

So for me life is my ART!.

I am creating it and add things to it that represent who I am and other things that just please me.
Still other things are experiments, like different drapes on a window.

Mostly I am composing though. My song, my play, ballet or artistic endeavor and going for the most fun doing it.

I work to delight myself, and others if it is workable.

One thing really irritates me though.....

Someone messing with my art. If I sit at a piano don't come along and add your own notes while I am playing or pick up a paintbrush to add your own strokes, unbidden.

Many of the spiteful things are done without real forethought. One of our big problems is people living lives without much thought.

That's why we live in the world that we do. Most of the thinkers are stinkers.

Yes, time for a wake up and realize that life is not a game.

[jorr lundstrom]

It's playing a game you never really chose.

I dont believe thats true. I think we all want to play this game in some degree or another.

I dont know who you mean by we or wot it is you call this game.

But I do hope that those who choose to spend their lifes playing

games have conciously chosen the games they are playing,

so they are not just reacting pawns in someone elses game. :croc:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbP4CAMHiKA&playnext=1&
list=PL7B7E250ABE8B4E64

Sorry, I couldnt find the original recording by Bob Dylan ( kind of blasphemy)

[Icecold]

I like the OP's take on games that they have rules and, more importantly, they have winners and losers. There is no escaping that simple fact. There can be gracious winners and good sports (losers) but a game has competition at the core of its concept.

Play is different. You can play without playing a game.

So for me life is my ART!.

I am creating it and add things to it that represent who I am and other things that just please me.
Still other things are experiments, like different drapes on a window.

Mostly I am composing though. My song, my play, ballet or artistic endeavor and going for the most fun doing it.

I work to delight myself, and others if it is workable.

One thing really irritates me though.....

Someone messing with my art. If I sit at a piano don't come along and add your own notes while I am playing or pick up a paintbrush to add your own strokes, unbidden.

Many of the spiteful things are done without real forethought. One of our big problems is people living lives without much thought.

That's why we live in the world that we do. Most of the thinkers are stinkers.

Yes, time for a wake up and realize that life is not a game.


The whole idea of 'waking up' really begins with Gurdjieff.


One of the sayings of the Sufis is that the tragedy of human consciousness is that we think we are awake, but have merely fallen asleep in life's waiting room. In the early twentieth century, G.I. Gurdjieff, a mysterious and charismatic figure, started telling people in Paris and St. Petersburg and New York that he had learned how to awaken from the trance our parents and cultures taught us, and that could teach others to awaken, as well. Gurdjieff claimed to have learned the art of awakening from Sufi masters and other "remarkable men" he had encountered during a decades-long quest in Central Asia.


One key to Gurdjieff's method was that it is not necessary to believe in any dogma, only to perform certain experiments, to achieve the results he claimed. Another key was that it did not require complete retreat from secular life; "the Work" could be accomplished in the midst of daily life. But the bulk of the experiential component of the method was long unknown to those outside Gurdjieff's inner circle. A veil of secrecy surrounded the methods he taught directly to his disciples, although Gurdjieff was the author of several books (written in a convoluted, elusive style).

Gurdjieff died in 1949, but his disciples have continued the tradition into the 1990s. Once-secret ideas, however, have leaked out of Gurdjieff's disciples' control, and some of them were deliberately revealed. "Waking Up" is Charles T.Tart's exposition of Gurdieffian ideas in terms of contemporary cognitive sciences and plain-spoken common sense. Learning to pay attention, for example, is one of the first steps toward full awakening. Where Gurdjieff's students performed esoteric exercises, Tart shows how you can exercise the same faculty by playing a game of ordinary solitaire with the right kind of mindfulness.

People of the world don't look at themselves, and so they blame one another.


Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_xFkfK4OEg



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEdCXRGJuM8&feature=related

[777]

Thank you Newlyn for your ideas on this. I would like to explain my point of view like this and

we will se if its clear enough. Life as such is no game. You can choose to play games in your life if

you so like. We are been taught from early in life to compare, thats okey because in that way

we learn differences and similarities. But then we are taught to attatch values to the differences.

We learn that we are better if we run faster, is better on math, if we get higher marks

in school and so on. So we learn to compete with others. And this program continues through

most peoples life. But a human being is an end to him/herself and dont have to compete with

anyone, not even with him/herself. Competing is a source to a lot of disaster. Love

Competing comes from the ego's desire to be more than the next man's and thus validate itself into existence like a leech supping on your very soul's essence. Life for me is to abstain consciously from playing the ego's game whilst enjoying the memories my being has within it's current vessel.

[Wings]

This is a game .. YOu first have to figure out why you are playing to get a clue of what the real rules are. The current phase of the game is don't wake up from it . If you are still in the phase where you think killing of those who are in control will do any good. You are not awake. Plannign to kill them doesn't make you like them .. IT keeps you exactally how they want you to be. You don't even know who the real players in control of this are .. they are quite hidden and quite spread out..

The only way to win this game is to figure out how to not play again.

Yes I agree .... you've hit the nail on the head.

[jorr lundstrom]

This is a game .. YOu first have to figure out why you are playing to get a clue of what the real rules are. The current phase of the game is don't wake up from it . If you are still in the phase where you think killing of those who are in control will do any good. You are not awake. Plannign to kill them doesn't make you like them .. IT keeps you exactally how they want you to be. You don't even know who the real players in control of this are .. they are quite hidden and quite spread out..

The only way to win this game is to figure out how to not play again.

Yes I agree .... you've hit the nail on the head.

Yeah, I can see why you consider this a game, wotsoever this might be. I also admire your ability

to read wots written, and your conclusions. You seem to have contemplated this subject a lot.

Thank you for your postings. Its always interesting with different opinions.:ranger:

[Icecold]

I've never considered life to be a game. In my mind that is a ludicrous concept. There are games in the world and
I've played them. There is a science called game theory. But life is too short and precious an opportunity to be thought of as a game.
Certainly the soul is not concerned with games. It knows exactly what the purpose of life is and its agenda is to observe and absorb
within itself lessons and karma. People who believe that life is a game are deluded, asleep and utterly confused.

There is a deadly trap that lurks in the new age movement. It is to hold the believe that happiness is the goal of life. It isn't. Happiness is a bi-product of understanding and accepting one's lessons with grace. So life is not a game, it is in fact a spiritual schoolhouse.

[Jake]

"Dear Father, We Dream. WE DREAM! We dream,,, While we may. Who are we to need? WE NEED! We need, while we wait. While we wait."

Lyrix to a Niel Diamond song from the Jonathan Livingston Seagull soundtrack. I can't watch it anymore. I cry like a baby the whole time. Especially when this song comes on. If you have never watced the movie or read the book, you should! I feel like Jonathan. He is constantly asking himself the same question. Is life a game? (metaphorically, not directly...)
No I do not think so. I do resonate with the concept of us choosing our lives here on earth. A friend of mine likes to describe life as a trip to the county fair. You can choose the 'kiddy' rides. or . You can choose the roller coaster, which has ups and downs and twists and turns and you feel like you just want to die, but more likely you will vomit.
(I must have chosen the roller coaster.) No, not a game. But a choice. That resonates with me.

[shadowstalker]

It's all a matter of perspective to me.
If one dwells on the negative, they will only see negative.
If one only sees good then they will only see good.
If one is in the middle they will see both.

It's what ever your core soul is working to work thru.

Soul contracts are tricky to deal with if you don't remember what it is.

Life is more of a script as many people here have said, and as we are waiting for the fat lady to sing, we are impatient for it to hurry up and play out, some get agitated, some become more great full and are appreciative of the fact that they had the opportunity that they where there in the middle of it all, for we are in this together to help make changes in this play if we don't like what we see or hear. We are the changes that we forget we are.

[truthseekerdan]

Every person and every form is but an idea in the mind of God/Source. Each person originates from Spirit as consciousness. Consciousness begets thought. Thought takes form. Although we perceive our bodies to be separate from one another, we are all just different forms projected from the same Universal Consciousness.

The Source's "dream", for lack of a better term, is our whole universe. And just as our dreams are an integral part of our thoughts, the universe is an integral part of Source's thoughts. Our universe is not actually a dream like the ones we experience as human beings. Dreaming is just an example with which we are all familiar that demonstrates how an environment and characters can be created out of pure thought and still seem very real to us.

Source created our universe because it is simply its nature to create. The universe is a creation born of pure joy and the thrill of witnessing one's own thoughts manifested into reality. Source's purpose is to delight not only itself as a unified Being of Light, but also itself as a Collective Being composed of all the bits of self-awareness invested into thought-forms populating the universe like characters in a dream.

Namaste ~ Dan

[Creative Lorraine]

Hi there I resonate with vision... I am ADD last night I saw these video's on Jessica Schab
Crystal Child
Project Camelot interviewed her 2 yrs ago which I enjoyed but didn't keep up with her ...
As always searching for different Knowledge to resonate with on my Journey

I share these video's with you and maybe a discussion can come from them...
I do agree to Play while we are on earth as a child...

Hopefully you can be patient watching there is a translator with Jessica Schab
The first Video start at 3 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xipAFnw2JfQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D509-Xu98Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf2cxwtM3e0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRz8HAdqcFs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PE4a-MR8eA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFl1mbtz-FE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGAEirPqClg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9iUkhraJ1o&feature=related

Luv
Lorraine

[jorr lundstrom]

I like the OP's take on games that they have rules and, more importantly, they have winners and losers. There is no escaping that simple fact. There can be gracious winners and good sports (losers) but a game has competition at the core of its concept.

Play is different. You can play without playing a game.

So for me life is my ART!.

I am creating it and add things to it that represent who I am and other things that just please me.
Still other things are experiments, like different drapes on a window.

Mostly I am composing though. My song, my play, ballet or artistic endeavor and going for the most fun doing it.

I work to delight myself, and others if it is workable.

One thing really irritates me though.....

Someone messing with my art. If I sit at a piano don't come along and add your own notes while I am playing or pick up a paintbrush to add your own strokes, unbidden.

Many of the spiteful things are done without real forethought. One of our big problems is people living lives without much thought.

That's why we live in the world that we do. Most of the thinkers are stinkers.

Yes, time for a wake up and realize that life is not a game.

Yes for some its leela, the play of God, for some its art, for some its a mystery to be lived.

And none of these approaches have wiinners and losers.

I think having as much fun as possible is great. LOL

Irritating, hmmmm I can get irritated if someone asks me how it is, because it takes me out

of my flow. I have to stop and examine how it is. And when I answer they are not interested anyhow. LMAO

[HORIZONS]

Ageless wisdom...

Row row row your boat
Gently down the stream
Merely merely merely merely
Life is but a dream.

[Bill Ryan]

--------

Life is a game. All of existence is. But that doesn't mean it's trivial.

Two kids chasing each other in a playground is a game. But so is intergalactic war.

Some games feel serious when we're losing, when it's someone else's game and not our own, when we don't know what the rules are, when it seems impossible to win, or when it seems we have too few players on our side.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic70cVN5IdQ

[Star Gazer]

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Life is a game. All of existence is. But that doesn't mean it's trivial.

Two kids chasing each other in a playground is a game. But so is intergalactic war.

Some games feel serious when we're losing, when it's someone else's game and not our own, when we don't know what the rules are, when it seems impossible to win, or when it seems we have too few players on our side.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic70cVN5IdQ

What's your definition of game, Bill? Enjoyed the video.

[Bill Ryan]

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Life is a game. All of existence is. But that doesn't mean it's trivial.

Two kids chasing each other in a playground is a game. But so is intergalactic war.

Some games feel serious when we're losing, when it's someone else's game and not our own, when we don't know what the rules are, when it seems impossible to win, or when it seems we have too few players on our side.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic70cVN5IdQ

What's your definition of game, Bill? Enjoyed the video.

Game = a purposeful activity with team-mates and/or resources/assets on one's side, and factors/circumstances (or groups, or people) operating against you.

Examples of games:






Chess
Football
Climbing Mount Everest alone
Sending men to the moon before the end of the the decade and bringing them back safely (JFK)
Stopping Adolf Hitler (or anyone else that one doesn't like)
Inventing a working Free Energy machine
Becoming a millionaire
Becoming a parent
Becoming enlightened
Ending unnecessary suffering in this universe

(+ about 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 other examples....)

[jorr lundstrom]

Bill, I suppose you speak about content, not life itself.:playball:

[Icecold]

Bill:

Life is a game. All of existence is. But that doesn't mean it's trivial.

Two kids chasing each other in a playground is a game. But so is intergalactic war.

These are examples of games in both a micro and macrocosmic sense. Both are illusions. One on a grander scale than the other.
They are both a failure to recognise the true purpose of life in the universe. That of lessons. Both activities are a distraction from true purpose of life.

Although both may be regarded as utlities to create lessons. So then, the game function is a tool to produce the lessons required.

[InCiDeR]

.
My humble opinion:

If life, as we know it, is a game or not depends on what level we look at.

Body realm
There are much ongoing games within our conscious creation called earth, the spirits use 3D [body/mind/spirit]-complex to play them out. There are a set of rules that this complex has to follow, which we probably once agreed upon. Your body is not allowed to fly if not in an airplane etc.

It is all about experience. Lessons of teachings and learnings.
What is and what is not.
You will not be able to learn anything if you can't relate to and define something else (duality), otherwise you will not know what you learnt - if anything!
You can't learn and experience good if you can't define evil.

Spirit realm
But if we talk about the spirits behind the 3D complex, they only use the body to play.
The spirit has no set rules, it would be able to play and create as it like in the sandbox of intelligent design, called universes.
But still, when the spirit use a body to play, the body in itself must follow a set of rules (game).


Conclusion:
It is both a game and not a game.
It is both a play and not a play.
All in the same "time".


@Icecold.
I second that George Gurdjieff is a very interesting guy. IIRC the students of his later developed a technique called "Stop" to help you find your true being.
(I have this software on my computer)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Gurdjieff

[Icecold]

Stop! Exercise

The Stop Exercise is very famous in the Gurdjieff Work.

The Stop Exercise is said to be impossible to do on your own. The aim is to immediately stop whatever you're doing and freeze in that position, mentally, emotionally and physically, so that you can observe your current inner state. The command must come from an external source such as the person or Teacher giving the command to stop. When you freeze you should observe the state of your physical, emotional and intellectual centers and evaluate if you were Remembering yourself at the time or were Identified. Note your physical position, your emotional state and the thoughts in your intellectual center. Were you in a physically balanced and stable position or in an awkward one? Were you worried, angry, depressed or happy? Were you thinking about the past or future or what other people thought about you? Were you aware of your surroundings or lost in an inner world of subjective concerns?

Stop program.....

http://www.endlesssearch.co.uk/download_pondering.htm

[bashi]

Life is a game.
In a game you lose or win. At the end of the game all get up and do something else.

When playing monoploy you should not jell or shout on each other if things are not going the way as expected. Unfortunately some people do. In this way they not only lose the game, but also friends.
When the game is over you get up from the table and get suddenly a different perspective. The game is then not any more important, but the friendship is gone and it needs extra effort to rectify it.

In life you lose or win. When you die, then the game is over.
There is a saying here in Germany: "Das letzte Hemd hat keine Taschen" which means "The last shirt does not have pockets". Anything you have physically accumulated here, you will have to leave it here if you die.
If you can not play the life game, then you accumulate Karma (so I understand) and have to sit on this plane until you understand this game. The main goal is to get to the stage where you can see beyond the limits of life cycles and develop a detached attitude.
In this way the attachment (Raga) to this plane of existence gets transcendented and you will move on.
See here: http://www.yogawithamey.com/ragaanddvesha.html

It is as simple as that.

[bashi]

Stop! Exercise

The Stop Exercise is very famous in the Gurdjieff Work.

The Stop Exercise is said to be impossible to do on your own. The aim is to immediately stop whatever you're doing and freeze in that position, mentally, emotionally and physically, so that you can observe your current inner state. The command must come from an external source such as the person or Teacher giving the command to stop. When you freeze you should observe the state of your physical, emotional and intellectual centers and evaluate if you were Remembering yourself at the time or were Identified. Note your physical position, your emotional state and the thoughts in your intellectual center. Were you in a physically balanced and stable position or in an awkward one? Were you worried, angry, depressed or happy? Were you thinking about the past or future or what other people thought about you? Were you aware of your surroundings or lost in an inner world of subjective concerns?

Stop program.....

http://www.endlesssearch.co.uk/download_pondering.htm

Yes, this is a good exercise.It is within the same line as:

"Through the practices of self-observation, self-inquiry, and reflection, we can gradually increase our sense of self-understanding. First we become aware of our powerful preferences and distastes. Then, we become aware of the sources behind those tendencies. And over time, we are able to cease the behaviors that amplify such obstacles"

http://www.yogawithamey.com/ragaanddvesha.html

[l_e_cox]

Here's a way to look at this saying "life is a game" that might make more sense:

This saying is a shortening of the full concept: Beings enter physicality in order to have a game to play.
There are lots of games to play and lots of positions one can take. One can tend to lose one's control over life and feel one can't fit into any available games.
That's an unfortunate state, but many people experience it. The idea that people WANT to be in a game gives a path for rehabilitating a being: rehabilitate its ability to play a game.
Games involve dualities and thus require the players to accept a lie in order to play. If you realize this, you can play with more confidence and control. One should always be able to opt out of a game,or of playing any game. Unfortunately, many of us have forgotten how to do this.

I hope that might give you a more useful concept to work with. It's not the same as saying "Life is fun." It's more like a way to give you a way to think about the choices you have.

[jorr lundstrom]

Life is a game.
In a game you lose or win. At the end of the game all get up and do something else.

When playing monoploy you should not jell or shout on each other if things are not going the way as expected. Unfortunately some people do. In this way they not only lose the game, but also friends.
When the game is over you get up from the table and get suddenly a different perspective. The game is then not any more important, but the friendship is gone and it needs extra effort to rectify it.

In life you lose or win. When you die, then the game is over.
There is a saying here in Germany: "Das letzte Hemd hat keine Taschen" which means "The last shirt does not have pockets". Anything you have physically accumulated here, you will have to leave it here if you die.
If you can not play the life game, then you accumulate Karma (so I understand) and have to sit on this plane until you understand this game. The main goal is to get to the stage where you can see beyond the limits of life cycles and develop a detached attitude.
In this way the attachment (Raga) to this plane of existence gets transcendented and you will move on.
See here: http://www.yogawithamey.com/ragaanddvesha.html

It is as simple as that.

Bashi, you write in life you lose or win. When you die, then the game is over.

I wonder wot you win or lose. Then further down you write if you die.

Do you mean that if you dont die you can just keep on playing the game in

eternity?:playball:

[jorr lundstrom]

Here's a way to look at this saying "life is a game" that might make more sense:

This saying is a shortening of the full concept: Beings enter physicality in order to have a game to play.
There are lots of games to play and lots of positions one can take. One can tend to lose one's control over life and feel one can't fit into any available games.
That's an unfortunate state, but many people experience it. The idea that people WANT to be in a game gives a path for rehabilitating a being: rehabilitate its ability to play a game.
Games involve dualities and thus require the players to accept a lie in order to play. If you realize this, you can play with more confidence and control. One should always be able to opt out of a game,or of playing any game. Unfortunately, many of us have forgotten how to do this.

I hope that might give you a more useful concept to work with. It's not the same as saying "Life is fun." It's more like a way to give you a way to think about the choices you have.

Its seems that here is two distinct kind of choice. Everybody? seem to be programmed into playing some

kind of game. Some notice the games played, stop playing and do other things they find more

rewarding. Other notice the games played and for one or other reason choose to play, but now

consiously. And some dont even notice that they are involved in games and of course been played.

And to the last group its no question of a choice.:couch2:

[bashi]

Bashi, you write in life you lose or win. When you die, then the game is over.

I wonder wot you win or lose. Then further down you write if you die.

Do you mean that if you dont die you can just keep on playing the game in

eternity?:playball:

You lose or win whatever you define important in your life: Money, partner, position, fame etc.
One thing do do not lose: The character traits built up during life. These traits are generated through the process of losing/winning.

"Anything you have physically accumulated here, you will have to leave it here if you die."

Nothing to add here, as it is self-explaining. Just removed your "boldness".

[jorr lundstrom]

Stop! Exercise

The Stop Exercise is very famous in the Gurdjieff Work.

The Stop Exercise is said to be impossible to do on your own. The aim is to immediately stop whatever you're doing and freeze in that position, mentally, emotionally and physically, so that you can observe your current inner state. The command must come from an external source such as the person or Teacher giving the command to stop. When you freeze you should observe the state of your physical, emotional and intellectual centers and evaluate if you were Remembering yourself at the time or were Identified. Note your physical position, your emotional state and the thoughts in your intellectual center. Were you in a physically balanced and stable position or in an awkward one? Were you worried, angry, depressed or happy? Were you thinking about the past or future or what other people thought about you? Were you aware of your surroundings or lost in an inner world of subjective concerns?

Stop program.....

http://www.endlesssearch.co.uk/download_pondering.htm

The schaman I lived with used this tecnique in his teaching. It was always a

surprise to walk in the park or eating or anything and he shouted STOP.

You had to freeze the movement and examine wot was going on inside and outside.

A very simple exercise that was very powerful.;)

[Ahkenaten]

Isn't the whole dichotomy of "game" vs. "play" (as in cosmic play) somewhat of a semantical mud-wrestling match? If people engage in a discussion about the meaning of life which is what this thread, IMO, really attempts to get at - the game vs. play duality won't really take the discussion very far. This shows the limitations of language - the words "game" and "play" are attempts to point people in the direction of understanding......................crude, perhaps, but each serves their purpose, i.e. at the most getting people to think about this subject and RESONATE with underlying truths. Until we evolve beyond language into intuitive direct mind-to-mind communication we are stuck with the limitations of language..........and the ability to lie and deceive built into it. In the future, God willing, we will all be in a space where lies and deception cannot exist.

[jorr lundstrom]

Isn't the whole dichotomy of "game" vs. "play" (as in cosmic play) somewhat of a semantical mud-wrestling match? If people engage in a discussion about the meaning of life which is what this thread, IMO, really attempts to get at - the game vs. play duality won't really take the discussion very far. This shows the limitations of language - the words "game" and "play" are attempts to point people in the direction of understanding......................crude, perhaps, but each serves their purpose, i.e. at the most getting people to think about this subject and RESONATE with underlying truths. Until we evolve beyond language into intuitive direct mind-to-mind communication we are stuck with the limitations of language..........and the ability to lie and deceive built into it. In the future, God willing, we will all be in a space where lies and deception cannot exist.

True so true my dear Ahkenaten. This resonates with my thinking, thats of course why I claim

it to be true. And if we are supposed to function largely via telepathy, this will be totally

impossible if we preserve lies and deceptions. Everything will be on the table all the time.

So lies and deceptions will have to go down the sink. Bye bye!!!!!!!:playball:

[Ahkenaten]

This is my hope. And I suspect though have no way of proving this, that at one time this is the level at which people operated. I believe that human language is a "legacy" as Schwaller de Leibitz put it, of a higher human civiiization that once existed, just as certain organs in our bodies, i.e. the pineal glad, are atrophied organs of higher function from our past. I believe there are some who even in this day function on that level but most are not blessed to have met them and thus do not know what humans are capable of. This is a dark time but there is hope for our future.

[Whitehaze]

Excelent post Jorr


Life is not a game. It is a game to those that control us, enslave us and feed off of us. They would have us believe it is a game, and that we participate on their game board with their pieces, and their rules. And who benefits from their game? They do.

Are there winners and losers? I dont think there are any winners looking around at the current state of the world. Humanity loses as a whole, so everyone loses in this "game".

The best way to make sure that they lose at their own game, is to not play their game anymore. Start saying no you dont want to play.

[jorr lundstrom]

Excelent post Jorr


Life is not a game. It is a game to those that control us, enslave us and feed off of us. They would have us believe it is a game, and that we participate on their game board with their pieces, and their rules. And who benefits from their game? They do.

Are there winners and losers? I dont think there are any winners looking around at the current state of the world. Humanity loses as a whole, so everyone loses in this "game".

The best way to make sure that they lose at their own game, is to not play their game anymore. Start saying no you dont want to play.

Yes Whitehaze, there are too many who apparently have nothing against being

played with like pawns in the elites game. Some even think they are in control

of it.LOL And most people dont even realize that a game is being played with

them. And I find it really amusing when people even try to turn this thread into

a game. But those people dont seem to have other ways of handling their own

lifes. And they even seem to think that wots grows from love is a question of

winning in their wiew of life.:yo:

[Ahkenaten]

It would be an interesting exercise to try to visualize things from an energetic point of view.............for example, I somehow doubt that a proton "wins" something or loses. The game mentality arises from this level of awareness and function. The more mired we are in it, the more we are controlled by it. It is difficult for most people to get outside of this, no doubt - but get outside of it we all will one day. Why not get outside it now so that these forces lose their power over us? The world would be a better place for it.

[SKAWF]

nice one for the thread jorr.

ive been flirting with the title for a week or so.

i'm not in disagreement with you, because i happen to support the main body of what you say,
that said.......
i do see it as a game.
there is only me, and the circumstances i am in. no us and them.
my life is my adventure. there may be many who are in similar circumstances to myself,
but i am the only player in my game.
outside of the learning process, i tend not to pay any attention to dark forces.

ive been playing RPG's for years. the best one being the elder scrolls IV Oblivion.
there is a pattern.
one starts off with no skills, money, resources, and very little strength.
but as time goes on you gain experience, you grow and become stronger.
you choose the path you want to follow,
you invest time, money, resources, you put effort in, make the necessary sacrifices,
and progress.

its been said before that if you put on foot in front of the other, you WILL move forwards.
either in the virtual world, or this one.
over a decade ago, i had a vision of where i wanted to be.
i applied myself to the task of achieving it.
over time, ive got there (very nearly).
it was only when i realised how the game works, that i started to actually play it.

if i were to take into account all the negative things that are going on,
i would be buried underneath the wieght of that realisation.
as it is, i move forwards with a smile on my face, knowing, that at least,
i'm engaged with my own plans, and that they are not what TPTB had intended for me.
everything is moving to a crux point, and from my perspective,
its all about whether i can do what I intend to do, before they do what they want to do.
i'm not going to be distracted from my plans, as i think distraction by external events,
is one of the main tools they use against us.

i think that if you see this existance as a 'life', you may end up depressed.
if you see it as a game, it has a defined purpose.
and the more you engage with it, the more you gain strength and certainty,
and become better at playing it.

thats almost the principle i work from.
of course, then there are the exceptions to the rule.

steve

[jorr lundstrom]

SKAWF, I went through that depression in my transission from my old way to

function to a new way to function. It was no easy transission and I really hit

the bottom. Now I live with my woman in a small cottage. We administer our time

ourself, sleep when we are tired, eat when we are hungry, doing wot pleases us

and are tremendous satisfied with and grateful for having the opportunity to live

like this in this very interesting time in evolution. :ranger:

But thank you for the warning, but I think there are others that need to be warned.:kiss:

[SKAWF]

ahh, i was trying to work out where i was warning you!!
i see that i wrote

i think that if you see this existance as a 'life', you may end up depressed.

when it should be

i think that if one see's this existance as a life.......

hehe,

i know you can look after yourself jorr, i can tell by the way you express yourself.

best wishes to you and yours

steve

[Newlyn]

nice one for the thread jorr.

ive been flirting with the title for a week or so.

i'm not in disagreement with you, because i happen to support the main body of what you say,
that said.......
i do see it as a game.
there is only me, and the circumstances i am in. no us and them.
my life is my adventure. there may be many who are in similar circumstances to myself,
but i am the only player in my game.
outside of the learning process, i tend not to pay any attention to dark forces.

ive been playing RPG's for years. the best one being the elder scrolls IV Oblivion.
there is a pattern.
one starts off with no skills, money, resources, and very little strength.
but as time goes on you gain experience, you grow and become stronger.
you choose the path you want to follow,
you invest time, money, resources, you put effort in, make the necessary sacrifices,
and progress.

its been said before that if you put on foot in front of the other, you WILL move forwards.
either in the virtual world, or this one.
over a decade ago, i had a vision of where i wanted to be.
i applied myself to the task of achieving it.
over time, ive got there (very nearly).
it was only when i realised how the game works, that i started to actually play it.

if i were to take into account all the negative things that are going on,
i would be buried underneath the wieght of that realisation.
as it is, i move forwards with a smile on my face, knowing, that at least,
i'm engaged with my own plans, and that they are not what TPTB had intended for me.
everything is moving to a crux point, and from my perspective,
its all about whether i can do what I intend to do, before they do what they want to do.
i'm not going to be distracted from my plans, as i think distraction by external events,
is one of the main tools they use against us.

i think that if you see this existance as a 'life', you may end up depressed.
if you see it as a game, it has a defined purpose.
and the more you engage with it, the more you gain strength and certainty,
and become better at playing it.

thats almost the principle i work from.
of course, then there are the exceptions to the rule.

steve

This.

It's also about being centered in your self. Don't have your center in the surroundings, or in peoples opinions about you. You are the person in your own story, you have your own spiritual walk to do.

And btw, the elder scrolls in great :)

[Ernest]

... Now I live with my woman in a small cottage. We administer our time

ourself, sleep when we are tired, eat when we are hungry, doing wot pleases us

and are tremendous satisfied with and grateful for having the opportunity to live

like this in this very interesting time in evolution. :ranger:

First of all, that sounds absolutely enchanting, I hope to find a way to live in such a way myself.

I was reading this thread early this morning and I was thinking that I have for as long as I can remember thought of life very much as a game, but I still agree with most, if not all of what you are saying.

But what I would like to say is that: I do still see life as a game, but that doesn't mean that we have to play by any one elses rules. We make our own rules as we go along the game.

Also, Jorr, could you please explain to me your love of carrots? ^_^


Much love,
Ernest

[firstlook]

It's playing a game you never really chose.

I dont believe thats true. I think we all want to play this game in some degree or another.

I dont know who you mean by we or wot it is you call this game.

But I do hope that those who choose to spend their lifes playing

games have conciously chosen the games they are playing,

so they are not just reacting pawns in someone elses game. :croc:


sorry, i wasn't trying to imply that people should not use their intention and free will. Merely that although we are against the sinister games the elite play, we still want to be a part of the mix. We wouldn't be here if that wasn't our intention.

By "we" I mean every soul that incarnates on this planet.

:)

[Newlyn]

It's playing a game you never really chose.

I dont believe thats true. I think we all want to play this game in some degree or another.

I dont know who you mean by we or wot it is you call this game.

But I do hope that those who choose to spend their lifes playing

games have conciously chosen the games they are playing,

so they are not just reacting pawns in someone elses game. :croc:


sorry, i wasn't trying to imply that people should not use their intention and free will. Merely that although we are against the sinister games the elite play, we still want to be a part of the mix. We wouldn't be here if that wasn't our intention.

By "we" I mean every soul that incarnates on this planet.

:)

Firstlook, I absolutely agree on that, fully!

And this shows what an art it is to write on the inet so your point is clear. My point was not very clear. Still learning.

My thought was if you don't "wake up", so to speak, and choose your own direction, then you are sort of playing a game that someone else, some authority, chose for you. Even if it is your choice to keep on playing this "roundabout" - game, YOU did not chose the rules of it.

Btw, your avatar is epic! Is it from a movie? It reminds me of the pilgrim in "rango", one of my favourite animated movies. It also reminds me of a real pilgrim that I had the honor to meet in south France while I was traveling south!

Cheers!

[Newlyn]

Just want to post this wonderful video again!

This is the game, yeah!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSPS-hyqSZc

[firstlook]

Firstlook, I absolutely agree on that, fully!

And this shows what an art it is to write on the inet so your point is clear. My point was not very clear. Still learning.

My thought was if you don't "wake up", so to speak, and choose your own direction, then you are sort of playing a game that someone else, some authority, chose for you. Even if it is your choice to keep on playing this "roundabout" - game, YOU did not chose the rules of it.

Btw, your avatar is epic! Is it from a movie? It reminds me of the pilgrim in "rango", one of my favourite animated movies. It also reminds me of a real pilgrim that I had the honor to meet in south France while I was traveling south!

Cheers!

Interesting. When you say "Rules" do you mean the physics and reality in which we inhabit? This I cannot argue against because it is beyond my knowing. The idea of how "this universe" is enabled by my experience of it, is well, an open topic for me. :)

As for my avatar, its from the Movie Kung Fu Panda. Recent fav. of mine. Part two is coming up in a couple of months I think. I'll have to check Rango out too, looks good.

Peace :)

[Newlyn]

Firstlook, I absolutely agree on that, fully!

And this shows what an art it is to write on the inet so your point is clear. My point was not very clear. Still learning.

My thought was if you don't "wake up", so to speak, and choose your own direction, then you are sort of playing a game that someone else, some authority, chose for you. Even if it is your choice to keep on playing this "roundabout" - game, YOU did not chose the rules of it.

Btw, your avatar is epic! Is it from a movie? It reminds me of the pilgrim in "rango", one of my favourite animated movies. It also reminds me of a real pilgrim that I had the honor to meet in south France while I was traveling south!

Cheers!

Interesting. When you say "Rules" do you mean the physics and reality in which we inhabit? This I cannot argue against because it is beyond my knowing. The idea of how "this universe" is enabled by my experience of it, is well, an open topic for me. :)

As for my avatar, its from the Movie Kung Fu Panda. Recent fav. of mine. Part two is coming up in a couple of months I think. I'll have to check Rango out too, looks good.

Peace :)

I was more thinking of the ruling, hypnotizing state that the society is in, with symbols everywere effecting us everyday to self interest, revenche, domination and competition, etc.

I will watch KFP, Bill said that is a good movie as well! :)

[firstlook]

I was more thinking of the ruling, hypnotizing state that the society is in, with symbols everywere effecting us everyday to self interest, revenche, domination and competition, etc.

Ahh, I see. Indeed we can choose whether or not we subscribe to others philosophies in a conscious way. While it is true that we didn't choose for others to involve themselves in our free will, we have the option to create something more lasting.

This is the burden of living with free will and finding ways to communicate with others who experience this same free will but on a different emotional spectrum.

[king anthony]

This is one of the biggest problem in this game... Life is not a game because life has no rules, only games have. But today life has been turned into a game and as long as we live our lives as if it was a game all this will continue. So we can start with breaking the progamming that makes us aproach life as if it is a game.


Please dont mix games with playing. Then you do wot they want you to. To mix play with a game is a program....


...Life as such is no game...

If I may add...

I say, "the few" (the ruling class) would have the masses (the population) believe any fiction, treating them as children and having them think and do as children.

For example, a religion would have one be born again, implying a childlike state of being; or using another belief system as example, would have one believe they reincarnate, thus not only elevating the human species into something more, but have them in a perpetual state of infancy.

In fact, it appears the concept of life being a game is spoken mostly by those who believe in reincarnation. This belief system has also taken away the responsibility and accountability of doing now, anything that needs to be done - "save it for next time", many of those say.

In conclusion with this belief system as the example, of what benefit is it that one reincarnates in a game (of life), when by the standard imposed by this belief system, one is to have many opportunities to learn... something. This world is only "hard" because it has been allowed to be so.

In these "modern" times, most have lost, or never had, critical thinking, common sense, (simple) logic, factual knowledge base, comprehension and such - for the times (people) before now knew life is survival; survival not necessarily meaning conflict, competition and such - as it could also mean "mutually beneficial progress". Although, conflict and competition is how "the few" and "those others" (commonly referred to as ETs and such) made life as it is now.

Many cannot even distinguish fact from fiction, in that most everyone has been socially conditioned to accept that everything is a theory, belief and such so that everyone is right. This gives way to everyone having their own reality, thus making it difficult, or next to impossible for some/most, to find facts/truths.

If one does not wish to play a game, then why not simply walk away from it - unless, social conditioning has made it, so many do not know what life is about and have them question "why am I" while not taking life seriously.


But you can not convince me that life is not a game, or a joyous play, because that's exactly what it is as it's best!

I say, one finds what one seeks, thus becoming one's limits, for what one seeks binds them and what one obtains imprisons them - and if, or when, one seeks finds facts/truths and rejects them for a fiction - then it is on them.


...@ ALL...

Social conditioning and human arrogance has others complicate the uncomplicated, perpetuating the confused state of most; so that even when one may question, they question not as an adult.

Rhetorical question; is a game for self or for all players, meaning does a game have all win or just one... if just one, does this not promote competition and greed (to accumulate something more to win) and if so, is this not what is a root cause of global and personal problems today!?

For some, making life a game is escapism, while for others it is confusing the opportunities to enjoy life with the luxury of fiction.

[EnergyGardener]

Lift is not a game. Life is a game. Life is a play. Life is Real. Life is not Real. Play the Game. Quit the Game.

We chose to play this game by these rules or we wouldn't be here. We chose this incarnation.

Whatever we choose to label our incarnation here is for constructive purpose that we once understood and will soon again.

Arguing the definitions of that experience is Semantics, a Distraction and a Waste of Time.

[jorr lundstrom]

Lift is not a game. Life is a game. Life is a play. Life is Real. Life is not Real. Play the Game. Quit the Game.

We chose to play this game by these rules or we wouldn't be here. We chose this incarnation.

Whatever we choose to label our incarnation here is for constructive purpose that we once understood and will soon again.

Arguing the definitions of that experience is Semantics, a Distraction and a Waste of Time.


Thank you. That was an interesting bunch of ideas. Maybe you are on to
something important. As I have no time, I cant waste any time, can I?

[EnergyGardener]

Lift is not a game. Life is a game. Life is a play. Life is Real. Life is not Real. Play the Game. Quit the Game.

We chose to play this game by these rules or we wouldn't be here. We chose this incarnation.

Whatever we choose to label our incarnation here is for constructive purpose that we once understood and will soon again.

Arguing the definitions of that experience is Semantics, a Distraction and a Waste of Time.


Thank you. That was an interesting bunch of ideas. Maybe you are on to
something important. As I have no time, I cant waste any time, can I?

jorr lundstrom,

I wrote my opinion for the benefit of those that expend time and frustration trying to find wisdom in circular arguments.

Please spend your time in any way you choose.

Freedom and Prosperity,

EnergyGardener

[goinghome2012]

Life is a game, but we must understand we are operating with universal laws, which are the rules of the game. Any now we will be playing on a new gameboard soon called 4d and 5d gameboard; thoughts manifest into reality.

i believe this is why we are here to experience this Great shift into a new game

[king anthony]

Life is a game, but we must understand we are operating with universal laws, which are the rules of the game. Any now we will be playing on a new gameboard soon called 4d and 5d gameboard; thoughts manifest into reality. i believe this is why we are here to experience this Great shift into a new game

The universal law, which I (personally) speak of, is not related to any fiction (such as a life game) and in order for humanity to be recognized in the great abyss, human beings must first be able to "get matters right" here.

I say, there are no other dimensions; however there are other places and reality there is tangible... like everywhere else.

Giving the benefit of doubt to this belief system for a moment, how would one ever know if they are in another alleged dimension, as from that perspective it is real and tangible. Thus the label that could be imposed is three dimensional - then what does it matter as nothing changes; there are other places as tangible as here or "there".

Regardless, of what benefit is it to escalate the human species to something more and divert accountability and responsibility to later - when now is just as important as later.

All one needs to do is look at when the concept of multidimensional anything became popular, which was over forty years ago. The ancients did not speak of this; however, later ancients used descriptive words reflecting their limited vocabulary and knowledge base , which is "now" interpreted as something not tangible and multidimensional.

[RunningDeer]

Life’s an
Etch-a-Sketch doodle
You have control
over the knobs
and the squiggles
and turns.
Go ahead.
Shake it.
Wipe the slate clean!

[RunningDeer]

"Dear Father, We Dream. WE DREAM! We dream,,, While we may. Who are we to need? WE NEED! We need, while we wait. While we wait."

Lyrix to a Niel Diamond song from the Jonathan Livingston Seagull soundtrack. I can't watch it anymore. I cry like a baby the whole time. Especially when this song comes on. If you have never watced the movie or read the book, you should! I feel like Jonathan. He is constantly asking himself the same question. Is life a game? (metaphorically, not directly...)
I love the movie and the book. And play the sound track a lot.

To me, the story is a true-to-life metaphor. After all Jonathan's trial and tribulations, he's come full circle, without the anger that he once had for the flock that banished him.


Jonathan Livingston Seagull is a metaphoric Buddha.

[jorr lundstrom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kX3SaVNiYY

[InCiDeR]

Life is a play

In which I have multiple roles

I am the director, the script and the actor

I love acting

It is so much more real than life

I know the ending

But never forgets my real identity



"Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
Shakespeare, Macbeth (Act V, Scene V)


@jorr
We better hurry. NOW is the time… :washing:

[jorr lundstrom]

Life is a play

In which I have multiple roles

I am the director, the script and the actor

I love acting

It is so much more real than life

I know the ending

But never forgets my real identity



"Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
Shakespeare, Macbeth (Act V, Scene V)


@jorr
We better hurry. NOW is the time… :washing:


Mac Beth is built around one statement, glöm aldrig portvakten
( never forget the watchman at the door) LOL

Get it Nugget

[InCiDeR]

Mac Beth is built around one statement, glöm aldrig portvakten
( never forget the watchman at the door) LOL

Get it Nugget

Maybe you should ring my bell?!

http://blackamethystglass.us/sg_owl-bell_content/owlbell/picturebox/OwlBell.jpg

[tonius]

I think life is a game, the only problem i have is i dont remember if i came to play willingly or just tricked in some way to come here. Does any of you really remember why you are here. Ever asked the question....what the heck am i doing here ?... My answer is No, i have no idea how i got here and why i would come here.

I think it's important to first listen to that deep intuition, that part of the real us that makes it to here (through the fit web of deception and lies), and from there explore the possibilities , not the way around. All the so called , commonly shared ideas in the ''spiritual community'' in some way give reason to the game to exist. one of this is the concept of ''We are here to learn'', the perfect exuse, for the creators of the game to keep you in it willingly, and never letting you trust that deep intuition emerge, the one that makes me doubtful about the reasons that are given to me for not remembering or for having to wait the ''shift'' to go up. Maybe i am here to learn after all, maybe the lesson to learn is the one to hear and trust your intuition telling you ''get out of here'' instead of playing longer.

For those that say there are interesting things here i agree, but lets not forget that is the point of the game, to keep you here. If you think you came here by choice than you are where you need to be, you dont have my problem, but understanding something is wrong and than using theories red here and there to tap that leak of your true self telling you that your uneasiness in these reality is Right, not a symptom of you needeing to ''learn'' more but just a call to demand what once was yours. Its so simple, you just ask the question ( Do i deeply want to be here) , i have asked it when i was happy, unhappy, angry or exited,whan i was a child and now that i am no more, the answer the same ...NO. I could taste in every of this moments the ''fakeness'' of the lessons being presented, but my mind kept things quiet, everyone thinks and does this, why not you.

If i am infinite,and maybe at the begining i chose to come here, why not know that i have had enough of this game i cant leave, just wake up. The answer usually is that your ''higher'' self knows it better, you just ''keep your mouth shut'' and learn, get by. So there is this supposed ''higher self'' wich i sincerely have never ''met'' making my decisions for me. Well than we have a problem, who is than here following these indications and writing to you, because trust me i dont feel a ''lower'' self at all, or incapacitated at all, in fact i have these sense of ''Infinity'' wich tells me, if I, the one who is writing through these fingers and this brain wants to get out, i should be able too. Maybe when i really wake up i can have an aswer in what way i did it, decided to split up here and there to learn and than came back, but for the moment the only thing i know for shure is that i dont get this place, doesnt make sense to me,never had , so i will begin from this uncontaminated deep intuition , honouring it at all costs , the rest is for ''ufo hunters'' who just want tricks and tips on how to be more successful in the game and other densities, checking timetables and charts to be as much prepared as they can.

I know that the relations between us are not fake, but why not meet each other from were we want each to be, as ''free men'' rather than protecting the game, which maybe began as such, but was aquired by someone that invested in it and made a prison out of it. I dont like being a prisoner, even if its not for ''real'' , let alone being a happy slave, who spends energy all day to justify to others why its good being in the game.
The density graduation stuff for me is crap, not that i dont belive it exists but because its lies presented in more ''refined'' taste. again if you feel you should be here its your path, nothing to say about it, in case you think the opposite than admit it and be clear about it,i know understanding you have been tricked and did nothing about it hurts , but no more than trusting the illusion. Other densities... : just the bigger version of the present school system,everyone being it parents or ''evolved'' beings telling you thats the way to make it, oh but wait..you can choose where to seat in the classroom. This is not free will, these is the ''limited edition'' of free will, the demo version of it, the cracked version sold for the legitimate one.

I think that how strong you vibrate ,in wich density you are, or if you are telepathic or not has nothing to do with the right of everyone to be where they want to be, no one should wait their ''turn'' , shift, to be who they really are and where they want to be in that precise moment. I am willing to take the risk, at least i can slap myself in the ''face'' when i ''make'' it, for being so doubtful, have a laugh, but for the moment, from these present moment there is nothing to laugh, exept the fact i am somewhere i dont remember to have come, or how i came, why i came. Theories,... they are just good for the mind, at the end of the day you are a prisoner who knows something more about the prison, and teaches others how to be a 'proud'' and a all loving happy prisoner, waiting for the ''guards'' to open the doors for some freah air, on their terms. There it is the shift we wait for, some fresh air.

The loop of forgetting is essential to keep an infinite being in your service, without it noticing, its amasing how easy we buy into the reasons for reincarnation , i wouldn't be surprised if one day i discover it was the same lifetime forever in a loop,with false inducted memories of past lives in the mind complex and nevercoming ''shifts'' in the future,add to this system some randomness like ''female'' or ''male'' roleplay, create some drama here and there, and than sit down and whatch the show.

The price of being so doubtful is high, but worth it, least ''Truman'' was such, and was right. Its just a film but it gives better my idea, in matrix its the same but with the difference that Truman was alone in all the lie, had to go against his mind and all his life ''story'' to see things as they really are. What made him discover the giant lie, only trusting his deep intuition and noticing what was going around, everything he could hear and see outside was an elaborate lie. Maybe that was what he really had to ''learn''

[jorr lundstrom]

Mac Beth is built around one statement, glöm aldrig portvakten
( never forget the watchman at the door) LOL

Get it Nugget

Maybe you should ring my bell?!

http://blackamethystglass.us/sg_owl-bell_content/owlbell/picturebox/OwlBell.jpg


Noone have to ring your bell mate. You know its a plot against the king Duncan
by an ambitious woman, Lady Macbeth and her fool to husband. The gatekeeper
neters the scene once and says: Never forget the gatekeeper. Its kind of
a warning, always concider wot you invite into yourself. Lady Macbeth was blinded
by her ambitions and invited malevolent forces and everything ended in a
catastrophy. But you know that already, you naughty boy. LOL
I hope that play aint coming to a theatre near you. LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macbeth

[Antagenet]

A few people have mentioned Gurdjieff, whom I also have studied. Would he say that life is a game? If I understand correctly, he believed that we are not born with souls, but that our opportunity on this earth, while here, is to birth and nurture a soul. It's not easy to do and most never do.. he said they "die like dogs" (nothing against dogs!) and that only those who struggle to become awake and are able to keep their center and equanimity when attacked, irritated, bored or neglected by others earn the right to immortality... to have a soul that they developed. Does this sound like a "game" to you? It sounds dead serious to me.

What if what we are doing here is a lot more serious and important that we ever thought? Is it still a game? To me a game is something one participates in, and when it is over you go back to some "Real" life. something kinda above the game. But what if This is IT????

What if every time you do something to contribute positively to someone else you grow your soul just a little bit more?

[Tane Mahuta]

Life is an experience!!...

Life is an experience we...are meant to have!!...

TM

[RunningDeer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kX3SaVNiYY

Jorr lundstrom, thank you for this timely reminder. You've assisted me greatly today. Peace.

[jorr lundstrom]

Yes, wots the use of a perpetrating NWO if people harass each other, just as
well. Awake and aware, who????? LOL

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Life is an experience!!...

Life is an experience we...are meant to have!!...

TM


Yes my friend, life experiencing life. When it all comes down to dust,
thats all there is. LOL

[jorr lundstrom]

I think life is a game, the only problem i have is i dont remember if i came to play willingly or just tricked in some way to come here. Does any of you really remember why you are here. Ever asked the question....what the heck am i doing here ?... My answer is No, i have no idea how i got here and why i would come here.

I think it's important to first listen to that deep intuition, that part of the real us that makes it to here (through the fit web of deception and lies), and from there explore the possibilities , not the way around. All the so called , commonly shared ideas in the ''spiritual community'' in some way give reason to the game to exist. one of this is the concept of ''We are here to learn'', the perfect exuse, for the creators of the game to keep you in it willingly, and never letting you trust that deep intuition emerge, the one that makes me doubtful about the reasons that are given to me for not remembering or for having to wait the ''shift'' to go up. Maybe i am here to learn after all, maybe the lesson to learn is the one to hear and trust your intuition telling you ''get out of here'' instead of playing longer.

For those that say there are interesting things here i agree, but lets not forget that is the point of the game, to keep you here. If you think you came here by choice than you are where you need to be, you dont have my problem, but understanding something is wrong and than using theories red here and there to tap that leak of your true self telling you that your uneasiness in these reality is Right, not a symptom of you needeing to ''learn'' more but just a call to demand what once was yours. Its so simple, you just ask the question ( Do i deeply want to be here) , i have asked it when i was happy, unhappy, angry or exited,whan i was a child and now that i am no more, the answer the same ...NO. I could taste in every of this moments the ''fakeness'' of the lessons being presented, but my mind kept things quiet, everyone thinks and does this, why not you.

If i am infinite,and maybe at the begining i chose to come here, why not know that i have had enough of this game i cant leave, just wake up. The answer usually is that your ''higher'' self knows it better, you just ''keep your mouth shut'' and learn, get by. So there is this supposed ''higher self'' wich i sincerely have never ''met'' making my decisions for me. Well than we have a problem, who is than here following these indications and writing to you, because trust me i dont feel a ''lower'' self at all, or incapacitated at all, in fact i have these sense of ''Infinity'' wich tells me, if I, the one who is writing through these fingers and this brain wants to get out, i should be able too. Maybe when i really wake up i can have an aswer in what way i did it, decided to split up here and there to learn and than came back, but for the moment the only thing i know for shure is that i dont get this place, doesnt make sense to me,never had , so i will begin from this uncontaminated deep intuition , honouring it at all costs , the rest is for ''ufo hunters'' who just want tricks and tips on how to be more successful in the game and other densities, checking timetables and charts to be as much prepared as they can.

I know that the relations between us are not fake, but why not meet each other from were we want each to be, as ''free men'' rather than protecting the game, which maybe began as such, but was aquired by someone that invested in it and made a prison out of it. I dont like being a prisoner, even if its not for ''real'' , let alone being a happy slave, who spends energy all day to justify to others why its good being in the game.
The density graduation stuff for me is crap, not that i dont belive it exists but because its lies presented in more ''refined'' taste. again if you feel you should be here its your path, nothing to say about it, in case you think the opposite than admit it and be clear about it,i know understanding you have been tricked and did nothing about it hurts , but no more than trusting the illusion. Other densities... : just the bigger version of the present school system,everyone being it parents or ''evolved'' beings telling you thats the way to make it, oh but wait..you can choose where to seat in the classroom. This is not free will, these is the ''limited edition'' of free will, the demo version of it, the cracked version sold for the legitimate one.

I think that how strong you vibrate ,in wich density you are, or if you are telepathic or not has nothing to do with the right of everyone to be where they want to be, no one should wait their ''turn'' , shift, to be who they really are and where they want to be in that precise moment. I am willing to take the risk, at least i can slap myself in the ''face'' when i ''make'' it, for being so doubtful, have a laugh, but for the moment, from these present moment there is nothing to laugh, exept the fact i am somewhere i dont remember to have come, or how i came, why i came. Theories,... they are just good for the mind, at the end of the day you are a prisoner who knows something more about the prison, and teaches others how to be a 'proud'' and a all loving happy prisoner, waiting for the ''guards'' to open the doors for some freah air, on their terms. There it is the shift we wait for, some fresh air.

The loop of forgetting is essential to keep an infinite being in your service, without it noticing, its amasing how easy we buy into the reasons for reincarnation , i wouldn't be surprised if one day i discover it was the same lifetime forever in a loop,with false inducted memories of past lives in the mind complex and nevercoming ''shifts'' in the future,add to this system some randomness like ''female'' or ''male'' roleplay, create some drama here and there, and than sit down and whatch the show.

The price of being so doubtful is high, but worth it, least ''Truman'' was such, and was right. Its just a film but it gives better my idea, in matrix its the same but with the difference that Truman was alone in all the lie, had to go against his mind and all his life ''story'' to see things as they really are. What made him discover the giant lie, only trusting his deep intuition and noticing what was going around, everything he could hear and see outside was an elaborate lie. Maybe that was what he really had to ''learn''


As I dont belong to any tradition, religion and dont walk any spiritual path, I dont have
to pay any loyalty to those sayings of those people belonging to those congregations.
I dont give a damn wot explanations they are spreading according to us being here.
Most explanations are so sugarcoated , just different ways of going astray, forgetting
to live life from the beings we really are, not denying or downgrading any of the qualities
we have from the start. :hug:

My own experiencing is wot counts for me. If I want to go astray, Im sure I can arrange that
myself, without following others, who doesnt even know they are astray, trying to convince
themselves that they are on the right track, by convincing others, just like Jehovas
witnesses. :playball:

[Andreash94]

hmm negation is first step of reality ...... but for me life it's a bad joke :rain::crazy:

[<8>]

Hi..

We are all here to express who we are, obviously the controllers have and is trying to limit us all.
I realize that at first glance we interpreting the controllers as negative and we might call them Game Masters.

But they are doing exactly what they came here to do and so are we!
We have probably done this before and are now here to express that we refuse to play their game.
This is to build a foundation for our lost brother and sisters who slowly waking up now.

..8..

[InCiDeR]

Mac Beth is built around one statement, glöm aldrig portvakten
( never forget the watchman at the door) LOL

Get it Nugget

Maybe you should ring my bell?!

http://blackamethystglass.us/sg_owl-bell_content/owlbell/picturebox/OwlBell.jpg

Macbeth, start of scene 2:
"An owl shrieks"

The owl was thought to be a bird of ill omen just like the raven earlier in the play. Here, Shakespeare personifies the owl with the night watchman who rings the bell outside the cells of prisoners who are about to be executed.


(...)But you know that already, you naughty boy. LOL

I apologize Jorr, I couldn’t resist playing around a bit. You know who worships the owl and like to ring our bell, and Macbeth just presents the symbolic so nicely... therefore my picture.

Sorry for walking a bit astray from the topic... or did I? After all, life is just a play! :bathbaby:

[jorr lundstrom]

Mac Beth is built around one statement, glöm aldrig portvakten
( never forget the watchman at the door) LOL

Get it Nugget

Maybe you should ring my bell?!

http://blackamethystglass.us/sg_owl-bell_content/owlbell/picturebox/OwlBell.jpg

Macbeth, start of scene 2:
"An owl shrieks"

The owl was thought to be a bird of ill omen just like the raven earlier in the play. Here, Shakespeare personifies the owl with the night watchman who rings the bell outside the cells of prisoners who are about to be executed.


(...)But you know that already, you naughty boy. LOL

I apologize Jorr, I couldn’t resist playing around a bit. You know who worships the owl and like to ring our bell, and Macbeth just presents the symbolic so nicely... therefore my picture.

Sorry for walking a bit astray from the topic... or did I? After all, life is just a play! :bathbaby:


Yes, my friend, life can be seen as a play. In the schamanic practises I was
once involved the owl was a symbol of the witch. Everytime an owl was noticed
in the neighborhood, we knew a witch was in the play. LOL

This is a Caracara, an extremly strong bird of prey. LOL


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/carecare.jpg


Jorr

[InCiDeR]

Wow, Jorr, really beautiful bird that Caracara, thank you for sharing. I wish I could see one in "real" life.

When it comes to the owl, don't forget about the biggest players and their worship:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-h_hZR3j2KB8/Tjgnk8brVqI/AAAAAAAAPRM/IJVpBsYoZFY/s1600/BohemianGrove.jpg


Wish you a transparent day my friend, full of vibrant colors.

InCiDeR