We need to stop this madness NOW!

[Lord Sidious]

Hello fellow travellers in space and time.
I have a very serious topic I would like to discuss with you, anti-semitism.
The thing is, I don’t believe in it, I believe it is fake.
There is so much out there covering this topic that the waters get muddied.
So muddied we can’t see the bottom, yet it is only a foot deep.

What we need to do is to destroy anti-semitism.
And you know how we do that?
Destroy semitism.

First of all, we need to figure out what semitism is.
To me, it is a false paradigm that is mental abuse of the worst kind.
We have some jews telling other jews that they are hated, their lives are in danger out there amongst the gentiles, even though some of them are married to gentiles, that they are chosen and better than others.

Check this out, if I, as a man of European descent say something bad about a black man, an asian man, or anyone not of my kind, that is racist, but not if I say something bad about a jew, that is anti-semitic.
So they even have made their own classification to scare other jews witless with.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE

We have to stop this madness.
Jews are people, like the rest of us. They bleed, they hurt, they eat, they cry.
They are not the devil, nor are they chosen.
But they are people.

They have a right to walk around free.
Free of hate.
Free of fear.
Free of a feeling of impending doom.

I watched a documentary earlier.
One of the best I have seen on any topic for how revealing it was.
Of course it is biased to show the views of the maker, but we have our own minds and we can attempt to discern what is what.
This film is called Defamation and is made by an israeli jew by the name of Yoav Shamir.
I would think he must be one brave man to make this film, knowing how he would be seen afterwards by those with vested interests.

There are jews inside the ‘’jewish people’’ who have a vested interest in there always existing in the world anti-semitism and he interviews and travels with one of the worst, Abraham foxman or as he should be known, abrascam.

These ‘’people’’ have the jews as a mass convinced that the world isn’t safe for them.
They have a nation now and they aren’t safe there either.
Why is that?

Put out your hand.
Form your hand to point at something.
Look how one finger points forward.
But notice how three point back?
That is the rule of three in a physical demonstration.
All things come to you in threes.
Group that with the law of attraction and you can be in a paradise or a world of hurt.
The thing is, jews and arabs can share the land as equals, it has been done before and can be done again, but we have to destroy semitism to free the world from this madness.

Please, I implore all of you who read this, find the film Defamation, watch it and see the absolute scum and how they abuse their own kinsman for their own gain.

See them commit child abuse in front of the camera as they program israeli schoolchildren, before they go off to do military service.
Lenin once said ''Give me the control of any nation's education system and I will take that nation in one generation without firing a shot'' and he was right, they have done it.
And they continue to do it right now, look and see.
And this false left/right paradigm garbage manifests itself in the movie too, but that isn't my focus here.

See the results of some of it.

There are some very, very good people in this film, Uri Avnery, a man I have admired for his stance for years, Norman Finklestein, another jew with principles and who won’t back down from the bad guys and others who aren’t ‘’famous’’ or infamous.

So that we get two things out of the way before anyone asks, no, I am not saying the jews have no right to the land they are calling israel.

It is a natural state of being that all of us have a home and our ethnic groups have always had our homelands.
The jews, not being one race, nor are they all religious, don’t really fit the same mould as all the other peoples, but they are still people like us who need a place to belong.
Some feel comfortable where they are, some don’t.
Wherever they are in the world, they shouldn’t need to feel all the negativity that they carry with them.
They are programmed, in what I believe is the original mind control programme in recorded history, to believe what they do.

And no, I don’t hate jews. I do hate some jews, but that isn’t because they are jews, it is because they are criminals.
But then again, I hate black criminals too.
Oh, and white ones.
Oh, and asian ones.
Oh, and criminals, did I mention that?

Help me to stop this as soon as possible.
Draw a line in the sand and say no more of this madness.
Help me to destroy semitism and free the jews and the arabs from this ‘’eye for an eye’’ insanity.
Help me to help them get a future worth living for, instead of one not worth dying for.
Once we have destroyed semitism, not only will they both be free, but a lot of the other machinations will cease too.

Here is the trailer so that you can see some of it now.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJo7LhSPJaY
If you like see the movie, please go to youtube if you have an account and give the thumbs up on that link above, that is Yoav’s account.

I have friends who are jewish. One of them in particular I care about deeply and her welfare and her future are important to me.
I want her to have a BRILLIANT future, not one of doom and gloom.
I want her to be free.

Thanks for reading this and please, see the movie, if you like it, show it to as many people as you can.
Shalom, Salaam, peace.

[Teakai]

Hi M'Lord - I do very much agree with you. The idea of anti semitism is just one of the many constructs designed by the ptb to hide behind and carry out their dirty work through.

But, I think the only way we can get rid of it is for people to "wake up and smell the crapola", and we all know that that's just not going to happen until each one is good and ready.

[Champion the Wonderhorse]

"You go for a Jewish guy, you get more time." lol

[Rocky_Shorz]

Jew R U Salaam...

the battle still goes on for this city and it's name says it all...

[Lord Sidious]

Jew R U Salaam...

the battle still goes on for this city and it's name says it all...

Interesting phonetic interpretation.
Thanks for that.

[jorr lundstrom]

Yes, no semitism, no anti semitism. No base for the manipulators behind the screen.

Lets see how to deprogram a program well ingrained since several thousand years.

Very interesting I must say. Love and carrots;)

[Teakai]

Really - it's all just ruddy labels and little boxes, isn't it?

Until we're all awake and know ourselves truly - so that we don't feel the need to embrace religion or any other label as part of our identity we are still in a box. Even if it's a tolerant box, it's still a box and it's still a false construct.

When we know ourselves then we see that the labels and boxes are all just utterly stupid and that they just separate us from the reality.

When we get to that stage people with ill will won't be able to use them as tools.

No labels - man, know thyself.

[Arpheus]

I love this post man i really do and i mean that !

[johnf]

I read about the infamous Protocols of the elders of Zion not too long ago and suspect they are
propaganda designed to really pour gas on this whole fire, not written by Isrealis or Jewish people at all.

But regardless of the reality of that.
Wars are collisions, in the case of WWII collisions of two diametrically opposed beliefs stand out above the rest.

"The chosen people OF THE WORLD" vs "The master race OF THE WORLD"

This was a lesson offered to the entire planet very graphically, and was preceded by a rise in the belief of eugenics in the majority of developed nations.
Contrary to appearances we could still learn this lesson.
Brilliant thread Lord Sidious!

[SKAWF]

as far as i'm aware, semitism doesnt exist, so its not really possible to be 'anti' it.
one thing that stirred me was finding out that the ADL (anti defamation league)
only deals with cases against jews.
not only that, someone did a doccumetry about them, and they were asked to provide
basic details of the sorts of cases they deal with.
they were looking for a while, they couldnt find one serious enough to warrent putting it in a tv program.
the organisation has been built up on nothing. its role is to be a global front to discourage
criticism against jewish interests.

if you're serious about this topic, you should read the info on this link.
it was an interview done with a zionist senator's assistant.
when i read it, i was left speechless. so were the other two people i read it to.
this will burst your bubble.

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Harold_Rosenthal.html

steve

[Maria Stade]

This world is a fantastic palace with many different people !
We are all just people !
We are all chosen if we chose to be so.

This planet have been manipulated many 1000 years by people beliving they can do as they like with other humans.

A world in terror !

The criminals must be stopped and they can call them selfs what ever they like.
To me they are just criminals doing crime to innocent people.

Yes this must end so we can all heal from this and see the truth as it is.

I have had the great honor to make friends with people all over the planet, to learn and create understanding.
This planet is a fantastic palace with amazing people !

Do not judge no one.

The illusion that have played before us is not as it is told.

Be kind to others so they can grow in their own beauty.

Namaste

Shalom, Salaam,

Shanti Shanti Shanti

Love and Peace to the world.

[Lord Sidious]

as far as i'm aware, semitism doesnt exist, so its not really possible to be 'anti' it.
one thing that stirred me was finding out that the ADL (anti defamation league)
only deals with cases against jews.
not only that, someone did a doccumetry about them, and they were asked to provide
basic details of the sorts of cases they deal with.
they were looking for a while, they couldnt find one serious enough to warrent putting it in a tv program.

if you're serious about this topic, you should read the info on this link.
it was an interview done with a zionist senator's assistant.
when i read it, i was left speechless. so were the other two people i read it to.
this will burst your bubble.

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Harold_Rosenthal.html

steve

Ok, had a look.
Yes, I have seen that before.
It is an excellent example of what I meant about some jews making it bad for the rest.
I would think it is true, going by feel and how the criminals behave.
The rule of three got him in the end, it always does.
Better to sow the seeds of love than hate.

[Rocky_Shorz]

going back to the beginning, 1 of the 12 tribes broke off and created Zionist/antisemitism because they weren't being honored as highly as the other 11 tribes...

long story, but that is where it all began...

[Lord Sidious]

going back to the beginning, 1 of the 12 tribes broke off and created Zionism because they weren't being honored as highly as the other 11 tribes...

long story, but that is where it all began...

That is IF they ever existed.
But if you believe they did, are you then buying into their paradigm again?

[Lifesong]

Maria Stade,

If I haven't told you lately, I think you are fantastic!

:)

[truthseekerdan]

Thank you Maria Stade! :love:

Lord Sidious, please stop playing the duality game... ;)

Love always, ~ Dan ♥

[Maria Stade]

Maria Stade,

If I haven't told you lately, I think you are fantastic!

:)

So are you :hug: Thank you for being here with us :grouphug:

ALL LOVE

And Our Lord Sidious is shining beond words in this darkness of human history, still is going on !

Thank you for doing that !:hug:

:)

Namaste

[Lifebringer]

ey use the PTSD from the halocaust to scare them and say whatever it takes to gain sympathy from the fear, and buy weapons instead of help their people to heal and live peacefully in the world. We saw how when fear of death is applied to a person who has gone through or had parents from that era. They are horrible to keep making them relive it over and over as the lies of fear get bigger and bigger.

The zionist are running the show from this shore and Israel and leading the Lords' children astray with fear of everyone that questions their motives for doing so. The first thing they do is yell 'anti-semitism.
You can't dissagree with a zionist, because they don't see murdering their neighbors through fear as a crime, but as a justification for being harmed in the world. Never mind the harm their paranoid leaders are harming or paying others to harm others.
When their people find out all the dirt under their paranoid PTSD Corporate leaders have done, because they care not for their neighbors, they will bring them too, before the Hague.

[thunder24]

has no one here heard of the ashkanazi jews, the so called "13th tribe" the book is by Arthur koestler i think is the name. fake jewish state seems to be the implication from the book
...just saying its a point of consideration the kagans and the kahns

sheparidic versus ashkanazi,,, do a comparison

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What is the true israel that would be taken care of in the "last days" a spiritual israel or the land we call Israel or a some of both only not just what used to be palastine?

[Flash]

I cannot post on this thread, I am bound by Canadian law that prohibits any hate discourse. The problem is that you never go to court having prejudicial discourse on blacks, chinese or others (prejudicial language on French Canadian for example, lots of people from a few provinces would be in court 365 days a year, god forbid), but if one's touch the topic of anything related to Judaism or Israel the wrong way to some Jews taste, here you are, in court, accused of anti-semitism.

This is what happened to David Icke when he was in Canada. He is no more anti-semitic than I am and yet, he had to defend. And they have good budgets and are themselves good lawyers. I may loose my house over this, so I won't post on this topic.

The worst: I don't believe either in anti-semitism, this is a mental construct. The only think I know exist is stupid people everywhere that are creating separation of all kinds, and oligarchies that like to use those separative talks and behaviors.

I have very good Jewish friends with whom I cannot even discuss the topic! So, this is my last post on this topic, but i will read you all with interest.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

We need to stop this madness now ~ has resulted in even more madness ; ) All I can add is that this is all a part of duality and all that BS being sold as sweet hay ends now. And so it is... hip, hip, hooray! Beam me up now Scottie ~ I've seen enough and there is a galaxy I want to check out right over there with authentic sweet hay ; ) xoxox

[observer]

For a foundational understanding this video is worth a watch:

http://vimeo.com/13718766

For further understanding one might want to take a look at this book:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/world_order/WorldOrder.htm

Only through research can one gain an understanding of how the world is being controlled. I offer these links in the spirit of research....

[dan33]

Thanks for the thread. See beyond the topic.
Best, Daniel. ;)

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[ghostrider]

the war between jews and muslims is one of the biggest reasons for all the posturing of the world. two neighbors can't/won't get along in the name of religion what a bunch of hogglyhoo. they fight over what name to put on the great spirit, who tells them join me or DIE forever now that real love. of course I'm being sarcastic. just have a problem with join me and live in paradise forever or die in hell forever is that really a choice?

[Dennis Jonathan]

The view on this thread of a Jewish Christian with an awakened spiritual consciousness:

The first time I heard the phrase "anti semitism" I was a young boy in Hebrew school. I thought the exact thing you did. "why do Jews get such a fancy name for hate?"

My Hebrew school teacher told me it was because of the holocaust. Still didn't make sense, but whatever.

Growing up, I was called a rich Jew, but I had no money. I was called a "Heeb" but that didn't even make sense. I was called a lot of things that didn't really offend me, because it was just my serving of the hate pie. The only black kid in our school was called every name in the book. The Asians, the Latinos, the rich kids, the poor kids, everyone got picked on.

That was the problem...the hate.

Just because you hate the bad guy, doesn't make it righteous. Hate breeds a nasty spiral of bad mojo.

I think the intent of this thread was good. All are equal, don't give away your power by allowing yourself to become the victim.

Some of the tone seemed too strong toward the duality thinking a few have commented about. I think that was unintentional, but is wrong none the less.

Warmly,

Dennis J

[thunder24]

Tell me please some one has heard of the Askanazi's from the caucas mountains?
thankyou observer for the links check em out

[Lord Sidious]

Thank you Maria Stade! :love:

Lord Sidious, please stop playing the duality game... ;)

Love always, ~ Dan ♥

No duality and no games here.
We have to speak in terms appropriate to the people we want to respond, not us.


has no one here heard of the ashkanazi jews, the so called "13th tribe" the book is by Arthur koestler i think is the name. fake jewish state seems to be the implication from the book
...just saying its a point of consideration the kagans and the kahns

sheparidic versus ashkanazi,,, do a comparison

¤=[Post Update]=¤

What is the true israel that would be taken care of in the "last days" a spiritual israel or the land we call Israel or a some of both only not just what used to be palastine?

Yes, it is Arthur Koestler and the 13th tribe.
One thing is, they exist and so does the state of israel.
We have to deal with things as they are.
I don't believe in the abrahamic teachings, so I don't reference them.

Note, I use a small letter i for israel on purpose.
It doesn't deserve a capital I until it treats all it's people equal and the Felestini too.


the war between jews and muslims is one of the biggest reasons for all the posturing of the world. two neighbors can't/won't get along in the name of religion what a bunch of hogglyhoo. they fight over what name to put on the great spirit, who tells them join me or DIE forever now that real love. of course I'm being sarcastic. just have a problem with join me and live in paradise forever or die in hell forever is that really a choice?

But it isn't about jew v muslim.
They don't all hate each other, even though that was the plan.
I have a friend here in Aus, who tought me arabic.
He is Egyptian and he is fluent in hebrew as well.
He translates books from arabic to hebrew as a way to foster peace.
He never hated jews, only what the elite ones have done.


Tell me please some one has heard of the Askanazi's from the caucas mountains?
thankyou observer for the links check em out

Read above where we speak of khazars and Arthur Koestler.


The view on this thread of a Jewish Christian with an awakened spiritual consciousness:

The first time I heard the phrase "anti semitism" I was a young boy in Hebrew school. I thought the exact thing you did. "why do Jews get such a fancy name for hate?"

My Hebrew school teacher told me it was because of the holocaust. Still didn't make sense, but whatever.

Growing up, I was called a rich Jew, but I had no money. I was called a "Heeb" but that didn't even make sense. I was called a lot of things that didn't really offend me, because it was just my serving of the hate pie. The only black kid in our school was called every name in the book. The Asians, the Latinos, the rich kids, the poor kids, everyone got picked on.

That was the problem...the hate.

Just because you hate the bad guy, doesn't make it righteous. Hate breeds a nasty spiral of bad mojo.

I think the intent of this thread was good. All are equal, don't give away your power by allowing yourself to become the victim.

Some of the tone seemed too strong toward the duality thinking a few have commented about. I think that was unintentional, but is wrong none the less.

Warmly,

Dennis J

Duality isn't a wrong concept, depending on who you are speaking to.
From where someone like you sit, it is wrong as you have moved on and are more advanced.
Those that I am trying to reach are not.
I can't talk to them of quantum physics until they learn algebra.
See where I am coming from?

[indiana]

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[thunder24]

Dark Lord,
if they are there now..one could reference the bible somewhere it says":photo: they say they are jews but they do lie, they are the synagoge of satan". they aren't evenjews according to the story, they are gentiles, not very gentle, and chose to be jews. Wouldn't it make since then that they would stir up all the anti semitism to protect themselves under the lie of being jews?
peace

[Lord Sidious]

Dark Lord,
if they are there now..one could reference the bible somewhere it says":photo: they say they are jews but they do lie, they are the synagoge of satan". they aren't evenjews according to the story, they are gentiles, not very gentle, and chose to be jews. Wouldn't it make since then that they would stir up all the anti semitism to protect themselves under the lie of being jews?
peace

Good point about stirring it up, but the khazar elites converted in 740ad.
They may not be jewish by blood, but they are accepted as jews, so that is the frame of reference we have to work with.
And that reference from the bible is jesus speaking to the pharisees.

[Lifesong]

I can't talk to them of quantum physics until they learn algebra.
See where I am coming from?

Well I see where you're coming from. This is the most difficult topic, which probably makes it the most important.

For people like me, living middle class lives in middle class suburbs, this is the taboo subject. Even those of us that know the truth of the matter. We still just do not, will not, dare not speak out about "God's Chosen People". That's the conditioning and it is so strong that we'll tackle every other subject under the sun to avoid it, and all to no avail because here is the root of the lie.

I think you broached it beautifully. This is not a hate issue nor a discriminatory one. Its a truth issue with more fear and emotion surrounding it than any other, imo.

Thank you, Uncle Sid. Some of us will have to force ourselves into this subject if we truly want to make a difference.

[Lord Sidious]

I can't talk to them of quantum physics until they learn algebra.
See where I am coming from?

Well I see where you're coming from. This is the most difficult topic, which probably makes it the most important.

For people like me, living middle class lives in middle class suburbs, this is the taboo subject. Even those of us that know the truth of the matter. We still just do not, will not, dare not speak out about "God's Chosen People". That's the conditioning and it is so strong that we'll tackle every other subject under the sun to avoid it, and all to no avail because here is the root of the lie.

I think you broached it beautifully. This is not a hate issue nor a discriminatory one. Its a truth issue with more fear and emotion surrounding it than any other, imo.

Thank you, Uncle Sid. Some of us will have to force ourselves into this subject if we truly want to make a difference.

Some of the scum that run the world hide behind the shields of anti-semitism and the holocaust, this is true.
But they also attempt to bash the brains out of the jews with those shields too.
And, they used them to keep all of the jews in line.
It isn't working, there are a lot of jews who go against their own kinsmen in the pursuit of truth and justice.
We need to help them and by doing so, we will free the jews and the end result is that we will all be free.
The jews are slaves to their own elites, but their chains are not physical, they are mental.

[truthseekerdan]

Thank you Maria Stade! :love:

Lord Sidious, please stop playing the duality game... ;)

Love always, ~ Dan ♥

No duality and no games here.
We have to speak in terms appropriate to the people we want to respond, not us.

As you can see the winking at the end, obviously I wasn't serious L.S. :p

Duality isn't a wrong concept, depending on who you are speaking to.
From where someone like you sit, it is wrong as you have moved on and are more advanced.
Those that I am trying to reach are not.
I can't talk to them of quantum physics until they learn algebra.
See where I am coming from?

By calling something "wrong or right" it is still dualistic mentality.
It's time we stop this "mind-game", and embrace Unity Consciousness in order to transcend, and move beyond this duality as ONE humanity.

JMHO :love: ~ Dan

An old video to enjoy! :ear:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLEhh_XpJ-0&NR=1

[Lord Sidious]

Thank you Maria Stade! :love:

Lord Sidious, please stop playing the duality game... ;)

Love always, ~ Dan ♥

No duality and no games here.
We have to speak in terms appropriate to the people we want to respond, not us.

As you can see the winking at the end, obviously I wasn't serious L.S. :p

Duality isn't a wrong concept, depending on who you are speaking to.
From where someone like you sit, it is wrong as you have moved on and are more advanced.
Those that I am trying to reach are not.
I can't talk to them of quantum physics until they learn algebra.
See where I am coming from?

By calling something "wrong or right" it is still dualistic mentality.
It's time we stop this "mind-game", and embrace Unity Consciousness in order to transcend, and move beyond this duality as ONE humanity.

JMHO :love: ~ Dan

An old video to enjoy! :ear:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLEhh_XpJ-0&NR=1

I get what you are saying.
What I am trying to do is put this in a way that everyone can understand it.
Remember, we have a lot of guests reading too.
You wouldn't go out into the middle of the Libyan desert and speak to a bedouin in Mandarin, would you?
It is all about the target audience, not about the speaker.
But I thank all of you for your input, even if I disagree with you.

[karelia]

I've just watched Defamation, and I agree with Lord Sidious. It really is a 'must see.' It shows exactly how this elite and its, probably un-knowing minions, operates.

[Maria Stade]

I agree with this is important.

The truth must come out and all need to know how it is !

This is not about duality, but about people doing crime to the whole worlds people and destroying the planet.

Blessings My Lord keep up the good work.

Love and carrots :hug:

[Dennis Jonathan]

I agree that like Saul (Paul) of Tarsis, a truth speaker must be "all things to all people".

The one world, one body frame of consciousness is not an easy belief to live. Duality is bred into us from the cradle, and I am no exception.

My point is regarding the tone of the message. My choice of words by labeling it "wrong" is evidence of my struggle with the process.

The truth will truly set us free. Free to make decisions based on facts and transparency, no longer slaves to the emotional triggers of the propaganda machine.

The truth is the key. Receive that, and then find love in your heart for all involved.

This is me talking the talk, pray for my attempt at walking it please.

[starsmoonmtns]

Good luck with that ' The Hague '

It's all BS, we are all connected yet different, but 'mostly' human!!!

Bob Dean on Exotica
http://www.divshare.com/direct/14193084-18c.mp3

Link: http://threshingfloor-radio.com/index.php/2011/02/exotica-subliminal-disclosure-with-bob-dean/

WE need to take care of Mother Earth or She will do it for us.....call it what u want., but it is messed up!

As Bob Dean says " We are mind and soul ".....enuf

[dan i el]

An interesting aside is that Shlomo Sand's research led him to make the conclusion that the Palestinians were originally Jews who later converted to Islam.

Question for Lord Sidious : i have spent a number of years on websites including a strong "anti-zionist" presence within the demographic and am not at all convinced of the protestations of equanimity and balance often found emanating from such quarters....here is the question:

Do you believe the most influential and most powerful people in this world are Ashkenazi Jews? - or otherwise put: Do you think Jews run the world and want a JWO?

It's just I have seen your arguments and protestations cited and recited ad infinitum by people who also claim not to have an obsessive hatred and fear of Jews and with Judaism when they obviously do... in my book "some of my best friends are Jews", doesn't really cut it, so I would just like an honest answer, please.

[Lancelot]

Anti- semitism does seem to have been invented by semitics to opress other semitics and further their own semitic cause.

Im having none of it, we are all brothers and sisters here.

:)

[Lord Sidious]

An interesting aside is that Shlomo Sand's research led him to make the conclusion that the Palestinians were originally Jews who later converted to Islam.

Question for Lord Sidious : i have spent a number of years on websites including a strong "anti-zionist" presence within the demographic and am not at all convinced of the protestations of equanimity and balance often found emanating from such quarters....here is the question:

Do you believe the most influential and most powerful people in this world are Ashkenazi Jews? - or otherwise put: Do you think Jews run the world and want a JWO?

It's just I have seen your arguments and protestations cited and recited ad infinitum by people who also claim not to have an obsessive hatred and fear of Jews and with Judaism when they obviously do... in my book "some of my best friends are Jews", doesn't really cut it, so I would just like an honest answer, please.

First of all, making sly insinuations won't help you to get a response from me, if that is what your post intended.
I do believe that some of the most powerful people in the world are jews and they are involved in wanting to control everything for their benefit.
Are they alone in that? No, there are people of all races and religions playing the same game.
The one thing they have in common is money/power and that is all.
The funny thing is, no one from earth runs the ''new world order'', it is run by someone/thing from somewhere else.
Look at the pyramid with the all seeing eye, that eye isn't part of the pyramid, is it?
Why do you think that is?
Because the leader/s are not the same as the rest.
Your post seems to indicate to me that you have the same conditioning as a lot of the jews do.
Are you jewish?
Do you believe that jews are persecuted for no reason other than racism?
Honest answers are appreciated.

[dan i el]

First of all, making sly insinuations won't help you to get a response from me, if that is what your post intended.

No, it didn't intend such. As said, I have read the same arguments again and again and, even if I say so myself, am quite well versed in the issue of corruption within Judaism.



I do believe that some of the most powerful people in the world are jews and they are involved in wanting to control everything for their benefit.
Are they alone in that? No, there are people of all races and religions playing the same game.
The one thing they have in common is money/power and that is all.
The funny thing is, no one from earth runs the ''new world order'', it is run by someone/thing from somewhere else.
Look at the pyramid with the all seeing eye, that eye isn't part of the pyramid, is it?

Okay, here's another question : Do you subscribe to the idea Freemasonry is essentially a Jewish construct?



Why do you think that is?
Because the leader/s are not the same as the rest.

You have answered your own question to me, for me, here...



Your post seems to indicate to me that you have the same conditioning as a lot of the jews do.

How so? And please expand further on what this conditioning is that you suppose a lot of Jews and myself seem to be under the influence of..



Are you jewish?


No, I am of Irish/English stock but does not the fact you immediately ask belie something.<rhet.>



Do you believe that jews are persecuted for no reason other than racism?
Honest answers are appreciated.

in some instances, of course! yes. In a historical context, often not, no. Obviously, the historical record shows that when integration begins to occur then trouble is brewed up.

I am very interested as to why you have assumed I am "conditioned" like " a lot of "Jews are".

[777]

First of all, making sly insinuations won't help you to get a response from me, if that is what your post intended.

No, it didn't intend such. As said, I have read the same arguments again and again and, even if I say so myself, am quite well versed in the issue of corruption within Judaism.



I do believe that some of the most powerful people in the world are jews and they are involved in wanting to control everything for their benefit.
Are they alone in that? No, there are people of all races and religions playing the same game.
The one thing they have in common is money/power and that is all.
The funny thing is, no one from earth runs the ''new world order'', it is run by someone/thing from somewhere else.
Look at the pyramid with the all seeing eye, that eye isn't part of the pyramid, is it?

Okay, here's another question : Do you subscribe to the idea Freemasonry is essentially a Jewish construct?



Why do you think that is?
Because the leader/s are not the same as the rest.

You have answered your own question to me, for me, here...



Your post seems to indicate to me that you have the same conditioning as a lot of the jews do.

How so? And please expand further on what this conditioning is that you suppose a lot of Jews and myself seem to be under the influence of..



Are you jewish?


No, I am of Irish/English stock but does not the fact you immediately ask belies something.<rhet.>



Do you believe that jews are persecuted for no reason other than racism?
Honest answers are appreciated.

in some instances, of course! yes. In a historical context, often not, no. Obviously, the historical record shows that when integration begins to occur then trouble is brewed up.

I am very interested as to why you have assumed I am "conditioned" like " a lot of "Jews are".

Aren't we all tired of this by now?

Hi by the way dan i el, some very good points raised here. I don't think a slanging semantics match with Palpatine is the best way forward for this very serious and important topic, you've both missed the insinuation initially intended by both humans behind both posts that can't be intonated with the crudeness of language imo!

There are some facts that are indisputable:

The zionist agenda to murder Palestinians is real.
The Palestinian agenda to defend itself when surrounded is real.
The Holocaust massively assisted pro-Jewish sympathy, and quite rightly so, unless.......
.......the Holocaust hasn't been taught to us quite right?!? Which should and will be open to debate by people of any tongue in any land
Anti-semitism is not any more important or evil than any type of racism, sexism and countless other isms and anti-s.
In this patriarchal society, money has been power within the epoch we are alive in.
Jewish families run this fake money system and orchestrate world events to safeguard that system.
Anyone who mentions this is labelled anti-semtic......a super-racist for even daring questioning it.

THIS is the point of this thread. It cannot go on. Having a back and forth where we dance across the razors edge of a word that shouldn't even exist is not only unhelpful. It actually hinders.

Please note IMHO, nothing I have pointed out above is false n'est pas?

Meant in warmth.......and remember the human behind the crude words.

[dan i el]

Thanks 777. Slanging matches are not what I want to steer into. I am actually interested in what manner it is believed I am "conditioned" by LS...because I don't agree that I am...aside from always being generally nonplussed at the adoption of aristocratic titles

A few questions, if I may, 777:

If the money system is exclusively controlled by Ashkenazi interests then why are Rothchild's so eager to buy into China? I thought China was keeping the dollar afloat in order to not crash and burn itself? Forgive my simplicity.
If the IMF and WTO and BIS are all Jewish then how was it that China was built up during the Green Revolution et al but still now parties like NM Rothchild's are seeking to gain footholds in the said Asiatic giant?

--
It is a defensible point to cite that Hamas were originally a creation of the Mossad..

Gaza is a concentration camp. Israel is surrounded by countries hostile to it. Do you think Israel is a criminal state and should be dissolved?

The UN is no friend of Israel..the US veto on UN sanction is famous..but the theory goes that both Israel and the UN are fundamentally Ashkenazi/Rothschild constructs... how does this work?

The city of London is Jewish? predominantly Jewish? or said to be Jewish?

British Israelism counts as Jewish also?

[OnyxKnight]

First of all, making sly insinuations won't help you to get a response from me, if that is what your post intended.

How about we add some content to those insinuations, like, the continuing theme of some of your posting to be with 'white race', or 'Aryan' bull?

@ Everyone: Does that insinuate why we have "unbiased views" on the Ashkenazi Jews coming from this fella? I hope so.


I do believe that some of the most powerful people in the world are jews and they are involved in wanting to control everything for their benefit.

The White supremacists & Neonazi groups think more or less the same, now that the world has come to the point where not only Jews are "installed" at the high peaks of social strata, but we have a black president, sitting on the "throne" of the most powerful nation on Earth.

But, the New Black Panther members think the same way, only they have replaced the Jews as the problem, with white people in general, believing the Barack Obama thing was a good ploy to mess with their goals.

A lot of other people think the Masons are those people. Some the Illuminati, some both.

I have heard large conspiracy groups, saying homosexuals are at the peak of power in society and "they had to do something about it".

Its the same conspiracy, but different faces are being put. Where does it end? Are we gonna point the finger around and blame people based on the groups they make, or unwillingly, unconsciously are part of, without their choice?

I think we need to stop the madness of looking for constant blame group for problems that we are also perpetuating.


Your post seems to indicate to me that you have the same conditioning as a lot of the jews do.
Are you jewish?

Do you ask this to everybody that's disagreeing with you?

Let me spare you of asking the question again: I'm not Jewish, I'm Slavic. I can still disagree with you, right?

[modwiz]

Loki pays a visit. :fish2:

[777]

A few questions, if I may, 777:

If the money system is exclusively controlled by Ashkenazi interests then why are Rothchild's so eager to buy into China? I thought China was keeping the dollar afloat in order to not crash and burn itself? Forgive my simplicity.
If the IMF and WTO and BIS are all Jewish then how was it that China was built up during the Green Revolution et al but still now parties like NM Rothchild's are seeking to gain footholds in the said Asiatic giant?

--
It is a defensible point to cite that Hamas were originally a creation of the Mossad..

Gaza is a concentration camp. Israel is surrounded by countries hostile to it. Do you think Israel is a criminal state and should be dissolved?

The UN is no friend of Israel..the US veto on UN sanction is famous..but the theory goes that both Israel and the UN are fundamentally Ashkenazi/Rothschild constructs... how does this work?

The city of London is Jewish? predominantly Jewish? or said to be Jewish?

British Israelism counts as Jewish also?

Hey dan, I'll do my best to drop some thoughts on those very astute questions. Forgive me but I've never been sure how to break up a quote and answer it underneath, any help with that would be appreciated!Ok so.......

I'm no financier and your observation is certainly not simple! China currently holds so many U.S dollars that it could annihilate their currency within seconds, with an orchestrated mass sale of these dollars. They could cripple the U.S without firing a bullet. The Rothschilds et al want a piece of that. They want their fake money system to succeed. To do this they need to control some of China's exports, otherwise China could freeze it's exports only temporarily and literally kill off countries, it's the factory of the world. Very smart.

"If the IMF and WTO and BIS are all Jewish then how was it that China was built up during the Green Revolution et al but still now parties like NM Rothchild's are seeking to gain footholds in the said Asiatic giant?"

I'm not sure which Green revolution you're referring to but I'll assume the agricultural one? I'm not being patronising here but I think you're missing the obvious. (Please point out if I'm the one missing the obvious! I abandoned pride long ago, so I won't be offended). Not everyone in the World Trade Org or the International Monetary Fund are Jewish, that's not what I mean. But the monetary system upon which these orgs are built IS Jewish. This is a system of hyper-inflation and cloak and daggering of figures in order to perpetuate strength in massively inflated Western currencies. This system is Jewish owned and Jewish ran, but all the orgs therein are certainly not Jewish.

Then you have a financial giant that has gained it's economic leverage from commerce and sheer hard work. They have the Western monetary system in a sniper scope. One silly move and boom. The western financiers know this.......hence they need to physically gain a foothold. In this fantastic unique example, printing off more money based on gold you no longer have will not save them.......and they know this!

"It is a defensible point to cite that Hamas were originally a creation of the Mossad.."

I would venture that if this is the case, things look even worse for Israel and now you've suggested this it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. (If you have any more info on that I'd be interested...)

"Gaza is a concentration camp. Israel is surrounded by countries hostile to it. Do you think Israel is a criminal state and should be dissolved?"

I would employ the same trick Israel uses to answer this question. Israel constructed a state around a religion and then the state became more important as leverage in the middle east than the religion of Judaism. Therefore I would say it's not surrounded by nations hostile to it, I'd clarify that as a secular state it's placed itself in a geography of political leverage under the guise of religious birth right.

I would like to see it dissolved simply to help the holocaust in Palestine, but sadly you can't put a plaster over a wounded artery. The artery needs reparing at source. Aside from the genocide, dissolving Israel would achieve little, imo.

"The UN is no friend of Israel..the US veto on UN sanction is famous..but the theory goes that both Israel and the UN are fundamentally Ashkenazi/Rothschild constructs... how does this work?"

Again it's the definition here. The U.S and U.N are absolutely friends of the money system that they are dependant upon which is Jewish owned and built. The fact they dance around Israel looking like butter wouldn't melt is merely the secular facade of country barriers we're intended to lap up. Matters not at the level where country barriers exist. Because at this level, most of the Western World are "friends of Israel"


"The city of London is Jewish? predominantly Jewish? or said to be Jewish?

British Israelism counts as Jewish also"

No hahaha! London is arguable the most secular, cold, dark, sinister, clinical place in the world. Certainly little of the good faith that most Jews have. Said to be Jewish? Hmm, only if you talk too casually of Jews and you know everything we've just discussed. You could see how a leap of faith in the conversation could cause the tongue to slip unfortunately! I'm not saying it's right, but I think that's where the confusion is. London funded the creation of the US. London and the US fund Israel.......you could see where someone could slip up there.

British Israelism isn't Jewish no. It's British Pro-the state of Israel, a very secular construct. The Friends of Israel organisation has a pro-Jewish leaning, since at this level it's actual funding for a state that zionists (who own the money system) require.

Hope this has helped Dan. Good questions!

[Lord Sidious]

First of all, making sly insinuations won't help you to get a response from me, if that is what your post intended.

No, it didn't intend such. As said, I have read the same arguments again and again and, even if I say so myself, am quite well versed in the issue of corruption within Judaism.

Ok, there is the problem with text, it looked to me that you were insinuating that I was a jew hater or something similar, but the answers you give in this post still look like you believe that I am.
Believe I am, or not,
Like me, or not,
Hate me, or not,
I don't care, nor do I lose or profit.




I do believe that some of the most powerful people in the world are jews and they are involved in wanting to control everything for their benefit.
Are they alone in that? No, there are people of all races and religions playing the same game.
The one thing they have in common is money/power and that is all.
The funny thing is, no one from earth runs the ''new world order'', it is run by someone/thing from somewhere else.
Look at the pyramid with the all seeing eye, that eye isn't part of the pyramid, is it?

Okay, here's another question : Do you subscribe to the idea Freemasonry is essentially a Jewish construct?
Many people say that it is, I haven't studied it that much to be able to say. There is a lot of what appears to be jewish mysticism in it, but that doesn't mean much, there is also christian mysticism in it too.




Why do you think that is?
Because the leader/s are not the same as the rest.

You have answered your own question to me, for me, here...

Indeed I did. Do you agree? Just curious.




Your post seems to indicate to me that you have the same conditioning as a lot of the jews do.

How so? And please expand further on what this conditioning is that you suppose a lot of Jews and myself seem to be under the influence of..

That there are lot's of people, known as anti-semites, out there waiting to harm jews in whatever way they can, purely because they are jews.




Are you jewish?


No, I am of Irish/English stock but does not the fact you immediately ask belie something.<rhet.>

Yes, it says that you have a belief that you don't have the courage to come out and post.
You hint at it, but don't ask.
Do, or do not, there is no guesswork.




Do you believe that jews are persecuted for no reason other than racism?
Honest answers are appreciated.

in some instances, of course! yes. In a historical context, often not, no. Obviously, the historical record shows that when integration begins to occur then trouble is brewed up.

I am very interested as to why you have assumed I am "conditioned" like " a lot of "Jews are".

And what are the reasons as you see it that you answered no too?
The reasons I believe you are conditioned are in your post.
The veiled hints that I am a jew hater.
That is what is used as a bludgeon against those who speak out, look at the video above.
It doesn't and won't work on me.
I say what I believe and I believe what I say.
And whether you believe I have jewish friends or not, again, I care not.
You have every right to believe what you wish.
Same as me and everyone else.



Aren't we all tired of this by now?

Hi by the way dan i el, some very good points raised here. I don't think a slanging semantics match with Palpatine is the best way forward for this very serious and important topic, you've both missed the insinuation initially intended by both humans behind both posts that can't be intonated with the crudeness of language imo!

There are some facts that are indisputable:

The zionist agenda to murder Palestinians is real.
The Palestinian agenda to defend itself when surrounded is real.
The Holocaust massively assisted pro-Jewish sympathy, and quite rightly so, unless.......
.......the Holocaust hasn't been taught to us quite right?!? Which should and will be open to debate by people of any tongue in any land
Anti-semitism is not any more important or evil than any type of racism, sexism and countless other isms and anti-s.
In this patriarchal society, money has been power within the epoch we are alive in.
Jewish families run this fake money system and orchestrate world events to safeguard that system.
Anyone who mentions this is labelled anti-semtic......a super-racist for even daring questioning it.

THIS is the point of this thread. It cannot go on. Having a back and forth where we dance across the razors edge of a word that shouldn't even exist is not only unhelpful. It actually hinders.

Please note IMHO, nothing I have pointed out above is false n'est pas?

Meant in warmth.......and remember the human behind the crude words.

Thanks for your input 777.
Yes, I am tired of the game of anti-semitism chess.
This was old 2000 years ago and it is beyond criminal what this has done to ALL peoples, let alone the jews.
The concept of not even being safe in your home as you could be genocided at any time being pushed generation after generation is sick, but there is no word that I know of to truly tell you what I think of it.
Let me say this, many have tried to play semantics with me, very few defeat me.
I am not here to play on this topic, this is peoples lives we are talking about.
I KNOW why I am here on this planet, in this guise, at this time.
I am here to free the slaves, but I can't do it alone.
I need people who are willing to do what they can to help me achieve that goal.
The jews are the people that have the longest history of enslavement, but not by others, by their own ''elites'' who use them to ahceive whatever goal they have today. As they say, you have to break eggs to make an omelette.
In my opinion, all your words are not only correct, but get to the heart of some of the issue and even if they are just crude words, I view them, your input and your intent as not only helpful, but welcome.


Thanks 777. Slanging matches are not what I want to steer into. I am actually interested in what manner it is believed I am "conditioned" by LS...because I don't agree that I am...aside from always being generally nonplussed at the adoption of aristocratic titles

You do know the term popular culture, yes? Lord Sidious is a character from a series of movies, books and stories that I like, that is why I use that handle.


A few questions, if I may, 777:

If the money system is exclusively controlled by Ashkenazi interests then why are Rothchild's so eager to buy into China? I thought China was keeping the dollar afloat in order to not crash and burn itself? Forgive my simplicity.
If the IMF and WTO and BIS are all Jewish then how was it that China was built up during the Green Revolution et al but still now parties like NM Rothchild's are seeking to gain footholds in the said Asiatic giant?

I will answer your questions and I would appreciate it if we can keep to the thread topic from hereon in.
I would not agree that jews control the money system exclusively and I don't know where you got that from, no one has said that.
As you may know, the new world order is made up of factions, the jewish factions control the european and north american factions and are growing in power in the asian faction.
They do not control it yet, but they are working on it, hence them attempting to take control of China and it's ecomony. The same tactic that they have used in all the other nations they control.
And these bankers use the hegelian dialectical approach to take over, cause, effect, solution.
--

It is a defensible point to cite that Hamas were originally a creation of the Mossad..

So they say, I don't know, but I do know the mossad did start up an al qaeda cell in the occupied territories.


Gaza is a concentration camp. Israel is surrounded by countries hostile to it. Do you think Israel is a criminal state and should be dissolved?

The state is a fiction, the people who run it are the criminals. I would dissolve the state, but only when we can help to bring into being a state where all of the people living on the old land of Palestine can take part equally in the new one.
No criminals, no extremists and no provocateurs welcome. The people of the region are tired.


The UN is no friend of Israel..the US veto on UN sanction is famous..but the theory goes that both Israel and the UN are fundamentally Ashkenazi/Rothschild constructs... how does this work?

Cause, effect, solution. Same game.


The city of London is Jewish? predominantly Jewish? or said to be Jewish?

I have never heard anyone say that it is jewish. I would think that predominantly would be close to the truth, but not exclusively.


British Israelism counts as Jewish also?

Not to me, I would count it as nuggetry.



First of all, making sly insinuations won't help you to get a response from me, if that is what your post intended.

How about we add some content to those insinuations, like, the continuing theme of some of your posting to be with 'white race', or 'Aryan' bull?

If you are going to debate with courtesy, no worries, if not, do not come and post in my threads.
You seem to make a point of making accusations about me, but without the courage to say what you really mean.
I think you are one of the stirrers on this forum, that is my honest opinion of you.
Oh, and because you don't like my opinion, it is bull? You are very enlightened, no?


@ Everyone: Does that insinuate why we have "unbiased views" on the Ashkenazi Jews coming from this fella? I hope so.

When did I say I was unbiased? I haven't met anyone like that yet.
Keep your strawman posts out of my threads thanks.



I do believe that some of the most powerful people in the world are jews and they are involved in wanting to control everything for their benefit.

The White supremacists & Neonazi groups think more or less the same, now that the world has come to the point where not only Jews are "installed" at the high peaks of social strata, but we have a black president, sitting on the "throne" of the most powerful nation on Earth.

And you know this how?


But, the New Black Panther members think the same way, only they have replaced the Jews as the problem, with white people in general, believing the Barack Obama thing was a good ploy to mess with their goals.

I don't know or care what they say, they are part of the extremist finger pointing brigade that are part of this overall problem.


A lot of other people think the Masons are those people. Some the Illuminati, some both.

I have heard that said. Both are involved, but they are not alone in their quest to rule the world.


I have heard large conspiracy groups, saying homosexuals are at the peak of power in society and "they had to do something about it".

Haven't heard that one before.


Its the same conspiracy, but different faces are being put. Where does it end? Are we gonna point the finger around and blame people based on the groups they make, or unwillingly, unconsciously are part of, without their choice?

I think we need to stop the madness of looking for constant blame group for problems that we are also perpetuating.

Obviously you missed the entire point of my thread, that is what I am trying to acheive.



Your post seems to indicate to me that you have the same conditioning as a lot of the jews do.
Are you jewish?

Do you ask this to everybody that's disagreeing with you?

No and that is the same question you asked before, which I chose to not answer.
Play your games elsewhere, not here and not with me.


Let me spare you of asking the question again: I'm not Jewish, I'm Slavic. I can still disagree with you, right?

You can disagree with me as much as you like, but as I said, don't post at all in my threads if you are going to be a smart alec and derail my threads like you have others.


Loki pays a visit. :fish2:

It certainly seems that he has.

[OnyxKnight]

If you are going to debate with courtesy, no worries, if not, do not come and post in my threads.

I can post anywhere I want. I haven't insulted anyone. If you feel insulted, then you may have to think twice before you make a post in future, so people won't draw an opinion of you, that is, according to you that is, untrue. You know, not to be connected with white supremacy, neonazism etc.


You seem to make a point of making accusations about me, but without the courage to say what you really mean.

That you are a supremacist?

It aint no accusation if one was to analyze your posts.


I think you are one of the stirrers on this forum, that is my honest opinion of you.

Stirrers? Because I don't like you, in particular? Do you represent the forum universe? Or are their other members here?


Oh, and because you don't like my opinion, it is bull? You are very enlightened, no?

Its bull because there is no such thing as race, aryans and all that crap you have propagated thus far. And its bull, because the Jews aint the ones that screw with you. Or us, for that matter. Not the only ones anyway. You said they are not alone, why bring only them up in the OP then?


When did I say I was unbiased? I haven't met anyone like that yet.

Oh, and I'm biased about the issue, why exactly? I love Jews maybe?

Biased views, huh? And you ask for an objective thought in this thread? If you are not capable of that, why ask others to be? Or even make a thread like this?


Keep your strawman posts out of my threads thanks.

Nope, I can post anywhere I want, as you can too. If you don't like my posts, i believe there is an ignore button in your control panel, put it to some good use.


And you know this how?

Because white supremacy groups, and neonazi groups exist, and that is what they say.


I don't know or care what they say, they are part of the extremist finger pointing brigade that are part of this overall problem.

The New Black Panther party - yes. The old one not so much.

And I didn't put them in my post to see if you cared or not, I put them in my post to add to my opinion. That the same conspiracy is recycled all over again, by people and their biases, prejudices and discriminative views. And depending on that - The "Blame target" keeps changing.


I have heard that said. Both are involved, but they are not alone in their quest to rule the world.

Where are they in your OP?


Haven't heard that one before.

You obviously haven't checked ATS, Prison Planet, and David Icke forums.


Obviously you missed the entire point of my thread, that is what I am trying to acheive.

And what was the point of your thread again, please to refresh my mind?


No and that is the same question you asked before, which I chose to not answer.
Play your games elsewhere, not here and not with me.

Why ask such questions if you don't like the counter-questions? You don't answer it because you have nothing to answer. Maybe only confirm, but you can't put yourself as such a person out there, can you now? :)


You can disagree with me as much as you like, but as I said, don't post at all in my threads if you are going to be a smart alec and derail my threads like you have others.


For the third time, I can post wherever I want, you can't tell me where I can and cannot. When you have your own forum, maybe you can boss around as an admin, but here, we all have the same rights.

[777]

Hey onyx chill man. I know this is a hugely sensitive subject and I can appreciate your anger. But it's not gonna help any of us, we need facts, open honest debate and not heresay or subjective interpretations. None of us know the intonation of the person who writes the text. Only thing I will say is that LS is not a supremicist. Let's make this thread a usefull one for both sides of a very pressing, urgent debate.

I mean you no offence by this post.

:-)

[modwiz]

Sidious, I want you to know it is apparent to me and others without an agenda of their own, ( hijacking a thread is one agenda, although there most likely are others), that you are sincerely trying to make the world safe for the great number, the majority of Jews, who are put in a bad situation because of the the actions of a movement called zionism. Are the gentiles involved? Nothing could happen without them, of course they are involved in a huge way.

But as the majority of the world, which is gentile, starts to learn things about some of the machinations in the 20th century and into the current one, the mind starts to put 2 and 2 together and a rogues gallery starts to form. The internet has made available many a word uttered in ways that are incriminating towards a certain cabal that favors one of the worlds religions to affiliate itself with.

Italians have had very similar problems with being identified with a certain element within their nationality. That element was not usually heard demeaning the rest of the world population as cattle or other sorts of animals though.

It is only logical that pissing off most of the worlds population by regarding them as less than human could lead to a bad ending.

The sociopaths spewing this garbage are the few who hide amongst the many they claim to be a part of. This is very unfair for the innocents they hide amongst.
A tactic they accuse the terrorists of using, ad nauseum.

The effort by gentiles to clear this mess up and rescue the innocents from a situation that could boil over in ways that history has enough examples of is a noble and generous one.

Attacking this noble behavior is always suspect.

Cui bono?

[modwiz]

I am tired of the Gentile crap too. Another division to keep us from loving each other, which is the natural thing to do.

Only a mind, or Being, (4th dimensional negative one) would benefit from creating strife between the Human family.

:focus: We need to stop this madness NOW!

[Lord Sidious]

Sidious, I want you to know it is apparent to me and others without an agenda of their own, ( hijacking a thread is one agenda, although there most likely are others), that you are sincerely trying to make the world safe for the great number, the majority of Jews, who are put in a bad situation because of the the actions of a movement called zionism. Are the gentiles involved? Nothing could happen without them, of course they are involved in a huge way.

But as the majority of the world, which is gentile, starts to learn things about some of the machinations in the 20th century and into the current one, the mind starts to put 2 and 2 together and a rogues gallery starts to form. The internet has made available many a word uttered in ways that are incriminating towards a certain cabal that favors one of the worlds religions to affiliate itself with.

Italians have had very similar problems with being identified with a certain element within their nationality. That element was not usually heard demeaning the rest of the world population as cattle or other sorts of animals though.

It is only logical that pissing off most of the worlds population by regarding them as less than human could lead to a bad ending.

The sociopaths spewing this garbage are the few who hide amongst the many they claim to be a part of. This is very unfair for the innocents they hide amongst.
A tactic they accuse the terrorists of using, ad nauseum.

The effort by gentiles to clear this mess up and rescue the innocents from a situation that could boil over in ways that history has enough examples of is a noble and generous one.

Attacking this noble behavior is always suspect.

Cui bono?

Yeah, you get it.
The advantage you have is that we talked about this before on skype, so you know what I am about.
And you know what?
I am sick of disruptors on this forum.
This isn't some joke that I am telling people, this is serious.
We talk about changing the world and when we post an idea, we attract disruptors.
Now, this thread will be locked for a day or so while the mod team figures out the best way to handle issues like this.

[ThePythonicCow]

I am closing this thread for 20 hours 10 minutes, while we admins/mods discuss how best to support a healthy discussion here.

I expect to re-open the thread after that time (can't guarantee that, but that's my intention.) What else we might do, if anything, I don't know yet.

It is important to the success of Project Avalon that we are able to discuss controversial subjects openly, but without too much susceptibility to disruption.

See you here tomorrow.

[ThePythonicCow]

This thread is now re-open, on schedule.

I notice that (for unrelated reasons) OnyxKnight has indicated in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15909-My-ET-contact-experiences-%28discussions-Q-A-panel-etc.%29&p=176439#post176439) that he will be off-line for "a few days."

The admin/mod team is still discussing amongst itself how we might better provide support for such needs as were noticed in this thread above. It is challenging to find a solution that supports free discussion, avoids excessive contentiousness, helps protect us from any intentional (even if well disguised) disruption, and doesn't overload the mod staff.

I won't go into that further here (it would be a distraction.) Please help keep this thread on the topic. Thanks.

I have hopes within a day or three to open another thread discussing this general issue of forum moderation -- but who knows how that will go.

Meanwhile ... carry on.

[sygh]

as far as i'm aware, semitism doesnt exist, so its not really possible to be 'anti' it.
one thing that stirred me was finding out that the ADL (anti defamation league)
only deals with cases against jews.
not only that, someone did a doccumetry about them, and they were asked to provide
basic details of the sorts of cases they deal with.
they were looking for a while, they couldnt find one serious enough to warrent putting it in a tv program.
the organisation has been built up on nothing. its role is to be a global front to discourage
criticism against jewish interests.

if you're serious about this topic, you should read the info on this link.
it was an interview done with a zionist senator's assistant.
when i read it, i was left speechless. so were the other two people i read it to.
this will burst your bubble.

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Harold_Rosenthal.html

steve

Well, I went to the sight, and I read some of it, as much as I could stand. This sort of garbage makes me sick.

[Teakai]

This thread is now re-open, on schedule.

I notice that (for unrelated reasons) OnyxKnight has indicated in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15909-My-ET-contact-experiences-%28discussions-Q-A-panel-etc.%29&p=176439#post176439) that he will be off-line for "a few days."

The admin/mod team is still discussing amongst itself how we might better provide support for such needs as were noticed in this thread above. It is challenging to find a solution that supports free discussion, avoids excessive contentiousness, helps protect us from any intentional (even if well disguised) disruption, and doesn't overload the mod staff.

I won't go into that further here (it would be a distraction.) Please help keep this thread on the topic. Thanks.

I have hopes within a day or three to open another thread discussing this general issue of forum moderation -- but who knows how that will go.

Meanwhile ... carry on.

Was it really that contentious? It seemed quite controlled from where I was standing (sitting, really). Is the contention the subject matter? That would be ironic considering the point of the thread.

Anyway, I'd written a ruddy long post yesterday only to post and find the thread closed so - think I might give the 'contentious' threads a miss from now on.
Perhaps the mods could put up a disclaimer so people can tell which ones are considered iffy.
TIA .

[jorr lundstrom]

Yes this whole subject is a very strong acid. But that doesnt make it being garbage.;)

[heyokah]

Take a little time
to breath-in Rumi's poem,
then, go on arguing.

***
Only Breath


Not Christian or Jew or Muslim, not Hindu

Buddhist, sufi, or zen. Not any religion


or cultural system. I am not from the East

or the West, not out of the ocean or up


from the ground, not natural or ethereal, not

composed of elements at all. I do not exist,


am not an entity in this world or in the next,

did not descend from Adam and Eve or any


origin story. My place is placeless, a trace

of the traceless. Neither body or soul.


I belong to the beloved, have seen the two

worlds as one and that one call to and know,


first, last, outer, inner, only that

breath breathing human being.



*Rumi
"Sufi Poet"

[777]

This thread is now re-open, on schedule.

I notice that (for unrelated reasons) OnyxKnight has indicated in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15909-My-ET-contact-experiences-%28discussions-Q-A-panel-etc.%29&p=176439#post176439) that he will be off-line for "a few days."

The admin/mod team is still discussing amongst itself how we might better provide support for such needs as were noticed in this thread above. It is challenging to find a solution that supports free discussion, avoids excessive contentiousness, helps protect us from any intentional (even if well disguised) disruption, and doesn't overload the mod staff.

I won't go into that further here (it would be a distraction.) Please help keep this thread on the topic. Thanks.

I have hopes within a day or three to open another thread discussing this general issue of forum moderation -- but who knows how that will go.

Meanwhile ... carry on.

Was it really that contentious? It seemed quite controlled from where I was standing (sitting, really). Is the contention the subject matter? That would be ironic considering the point of the thread.

Anyway, I'd written a ruddy long post yesterday only to post and find the thread closed so - think I might give the 'contentious' threads a miss from now on.
Perhaps the mods could put up a disclaimer so people can tell which ones are considered iffy.
TIA .

Good idea Teakai. Or maybe a disclaimer that racist, contentious posts will be immediately deleted as unhelpful and harmful.......from either side of an argument. Luckily there's only been very little of that so far in this thread.

To be honest it saddens me that this subject matter is so taboo, and "iffy" as you say. And if I'm not mistaken that's the very gist that Lord Sidius is trying to point out. The very fact that we have to walk on egg shells around this topic validates the concept that being labelled anti-semetic is a huge deformation of character based upon a story the perpetuators were not alive to experience.

[ThePythonicCow]

Anyway, I'd written a ruddy long post yesterday only to post and find the thread closed so
Sorry to hear that, Teakai. Some of the old hands at these sorts of forums recommend composing any long replies in some other editor and copying them into the forum when ready to post. There are many ways that a long post typed directly into a forum response box can get lost before completion.

For those using the Firefox browser, I heartily recommend the Lazarus add-on. It would have made it easy to recover that long post.

Sorry ... back to topic.

[bluestflame]

when what has been given as a shield is used as a sword

[the trojan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_cA

[Icecold]

Meaning of Semitic:

In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical "Shem", Hebrew: שם‎, translated as "name", Arabic: ساميّ‎) was first used to refer to a language family of largely Middle Eastern origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Akkadian, Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Phoenician, Tigre and Tigrinya among others.

The modern linguistic meaning of "Semitic" is therefore derived from (though not identical to) Biblical usage. In a linguistic context the Semitic languages are a subgroup of the larger Afroasiatic language family (according to Joseph Greenberg's widely accepted classification) and include, among others: Akkadian, the ancient language of Babylon and Assyria; Amorite, Amharic, the official language of Ethiopia; Tigrinya, a language spoken in Eritrea and in northern Ethiopia; Arabic; Aramaic, still spoken in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey and Armenia by Assyrian-Chaldean Christians and Mandeans; Canaanite; Ge'ez, the ancient language of the Eritrean and Ethiopian Orthodox scriptures which originated in Yemen; Hebrew; Maltese; Phoenician or Punic; Syriac (a form of Aramaic); and South Arabian, the ancient language of Sheba/Saba, which today includes Mehri, spoken by only tiny minorities on the southern part of the Arabian Peninsula.

It should be noted that Berber, Egyptian (including Coptic), Hausa, Somali, and many other related languages within the wider area of Northern Africa and the Middle East do not belong to the specific Semitic group, but are related the larger Afroasiatic language family of which the Semitic languages are also a subgroup.[8] Other ancient and modern Middle Eastern languages such as; Azerbaijani, Kurdish, Persian, Gilaki, Turkish, ancient Sumerian, Armenian Elamite, Hittite, the Philistine language and Nubian — do not belong to the larger Afroasiatic language family.

http://www.ethnologue.com/15/show_family.asp?subid=89998

Semitic peoples and their languages, in both modern and ancient historic times, have covered a broad area bridging Africa, Western Asia and the Arabian Peninsula. The earliest historic (written) evidences of them are found in the Fertile Crescent, an area encompassing the Akkadian, Babylonian and Assyrian civilizations along the Tigris and Euphrates rivers (modern Iraq), extending northwest into southern Asia Minor (modern Turkey) and the Levant (modern Syria and Lebanon along the eastern Mediterranean. Early traces of Semitic speakers are found, too, in South Arabian inscriptions in Yemen, Eritrea, Northern Ethiopia, and after this in Carthage (modern Tunisia) and later still, in Roman times, in Nabataean inscriptions from Petra (modern Jordan) south into Arabia.

In a religious context, the term 'Semitic' can refer to the religions associated with the speakers of these languages: thus Judaism, Christianity and Islam are often described as "Semitic religions" (irrespective of language family spoken by their adherents). Manicheanism and the Mandean religion also fall within this category.
The term Abrahamic religions is more commonly used today. A truly comprehensive account of "Semitic" religions would include the Ancient Semitic religions (such as the religions of Ashurism, Adad, Hadad) that flourished in the Middle East before the Abrahamic religions.


In Medieval Europe, all Asian peoples were thought of as descendants of Shem. By the nineteenth century, the term Semitic was confined to the ethnic groups who have historically spoken Semitic languages. These peoples were often considered to be a distinct race. However, some anti-Semitic racial theorists of the time argued that the Semitic peoples arose from the blurring of distinctions between previously separate races. This supposed process was referred to as Semiticization by the race-theorist Arthur de Gobineau. The notion that Semitic identity was a product of racial "confusion" was later taken up by the Nazi ideologue Alfred Rosenberg

The term Semitic in reference to Jews is entirely a NAZI construct.

To be ANTI-SEMITIC (in the sense applied to Jews) is only possible if the claimants are NAZIS....else it is a meaningless phrase in respect to Jews alone.


The fact that Mandeans are mentioned above...in reference to the post by Levent Tonga on his profile page....a post I found interesting.


Next Agenda " search for Mandaeans "

[Lord Sidious]

as far as i'm aware, semitism doesnt exist, so its not really possible to be 'anti' it.
one thing that stirred me was finding out that the ADL (anti defamation league)
only deals with cases against jews.
not only that, someone did a doccumetry about them, and they were asked to provide
basic details of the sorts of cases they deal with.
they were looking for a while, they couldnt find one serious enough to warrent putting it in a tv program.
the organisation has been built up on nothing. its role is to be a global front to discourage
criticism against jewish interests.

if you're serious about this topic, you should read the info on this link.
it was an interview done with a zionist senator's assistant.
when i read it, i was left speechless. so were the other two people i read it to.
this will burst your bubble.

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Harold_Rosenthal.html

steve

Well, I went to the sight, and I read some of it, as much as I could stand. This sort of garbage makes me sick.

Could you explain what you mean please?




This thread is now re-open, on schedule.

I notice that (for unrelated reasons) OnyxKnight has indicated in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15909-My-ET-contact-experiences-%28discussions-Q-A-panel-etc.%29&p=176439#post176439) that he will be off-line for "a few days."

The admin/mod team is still discussing amongst itself how we might better provide support for such needs as were noticed in this thread above. It is challenging to find a solution that supports free discussion, avoids excessive contentiousness, helps protect us from any intentional (even if well disguised) disruption, and doesn't overload the mod staff.

I won't go into that further here (it would be a distraction.) Please help keep this thread on the topic. Thanks.

I have hopes within a day or three to open another thread discussing this general issue of forum moderation -- but who knows how that will go.

Meanwhile ... carry on.

Was it really that contentious? It seemed quite controlled from where I was standing (sitting, really). Is the contention the subject matter? That would be ironic considering the point of the thread.

Anyway, I'd written a ruddy long post yesterday only to post and find the thread closed so - think I might give the 'contentious' threads a miss from now on.
Perhaps the mods could put up a disclaimer so people can tell which ones are considered iffy.
TIA .

Sorry about that Teakai, that is my fault, I asked Paul to close it.
I am not going to have people derail my thread.
And I believe that one of the derailers is doing this on purpose.
I would be interested in what you have to say, please don't give it a miss.




This thread is now re-open, on schedule.

I notice that (for unrelated reasons) OnyxKnight has indicated in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15909-My-ET-contact-experiences-%28discussions-Q-A-panel-etc.%29&p=176439#post176439) that he will be off-line for "a few days."

The admin/mod team is still discussing amongst itself how we might better provide support for such needs as were noticed in this thread above. It is challenging to find a solution that supports free discussion, avoids excessive contentiousness, helps protect us from any intentional (even if well disguised) disruption, and doesn't overload the mod staff.

I won't go into that further here (it would be a distraction.) Please help keep this thread on the topic. Thanks.

I have hopes within a day or three to open another thread discussing this general issue of forum moderation -- but who knows how that will go.

Meanwhile ... carry on.

Was it really that contentious? It seemed quite controlled from where I was standing (sitting, really). Is the contention the subject matter? That would be ironic considering the point of the thread.

Anyway, I'd written a ruddy long post yesterday only to post and find the thread closed so - think I might give the 'contentious' threads a miss from now on.
Perhaps the mods could put up a disclaimer so people can tell which ones are considered iffy.
TIA .

Good idea Teakai. Or maybe a disclaimer that racist, contentious posts will be immediately deleted as unhelpful and harmful.......from either side of an argument. Luckily there's only been very little of that so far in this thread.

To be honest it saddens me that this subject matter is so taboo, and "iffy" as you say. And if I'm not mistaken that's the very gist that Lord Sidius is trying to point out. The very fact that we have to walk on egg shells around this topic validates the concept that being labelled anti-semetic is a huge deformation of character based upon a story the perpetuators were not alive to experience.

That is part of what I am about.
I am also trying to show that this concept is a double whammy, not just used to shut up non jews, but used to condition the behaviour of jews so that it becomes a sort of self fulfilling prophecy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_cA

I have already posted this video in my first post.



The term Semitic in reference to Jews is entirely a NAZI construct.

To be ANTI-SEMITIC (in the sense applied to Jews) is only possible if the claimants are NAZIS....else it is a meaningless phrase in respect to Jews alone.


The fact that Mandeans are mentioned above...in reference to the post by Levent Tonga on his profile page....a post I found interesting.


Next Agenda " search for Mandaeans "

Erm, no. The term was invented by the ''elite'' jews themselves.
You know, the amount of stuff attributed to Hitler or the ''nazis'', I really wonder how they got anything done, they must have had 26 hour days.

[TimelessDimensions]

I must confess, I'm an Anti-Antite

Whenever I see an ant I can't stop shouting at it

"SMALL PUNY INSECT!!!"

..and like clockwork the Anti-Ant Defamation League (AADL) gives me a phone call every time and the bloody ants freeze all my honey accounts!

Those ants act as if they invented honey :(

True story.

[modwiz]

Meaning of Semitic:

The term Semitic in reference to Jews is entirely a NAZI construct.

To be ANTI-SEMITIC (in the sense applied to Jews) is only possible if the claimants are NAZIS....else it is a meaningless phrase in respect to Jews alone.


The fact that Mandeans are mentioned above...in reference to the post by Levent Tonga on his profile page....a post I found interesting.


Next Agenda " search for Mandaeans "

Great post Icecold but I think the word semitic has been copyrighted, trademarked or something like that.

I think the little tm in a circle was considered obnoxious so it is not used.

[Gaia]

ouppppppppppppsssss wrong thread

[yaksuit]

I am sure many are aware of Eric Jon Phelps.
He wrote a book called "Vatican Assassins"

Thought I would add to the dialectic.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1zyTE3JOPs

[bluestflame]

individuals are responsible for thier own actions , some individuals hide behind the anonimity of organisations

[777]

I am sure many are aware of Eric Jon Phelps.
He wrote a book called "Vatican Assassins"

Thought I would add to the dialectic.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1zyTE3JOPs

Nice post yaksuit. So the catholic church is funded largely by jesuits, who still operate a roman style rule over 83 divisions of the world. There are masonic in structure and practice and masquerade behind Christianity, unbeknown to the millions of laymen jesuits.

Martin: Let’s discuss this position of “General” and, in addition, who is this person, Count Hans Kolvenbach? Who does he serve? What are his origins? Where does he hail from?

Phelps: The present General is a Dutchman, his nationality is Dutch.

Martin: Where is he? Physically, where is he?

Phelps: He resides in Rome, at the headquarters of the Jesuits, called the Church of Jesu. So, the Jesuit General resides in Rome at, what I just called, the Jesuit headquarters.

Martin: The Church of Jesu, is that near the Vatican?

Phelps: It’s not far from the Vatican, right. It’s in the same general area. It’s headquarters of the Knights of Malta

Also found this:

The Jesuit General rules the world through his provincials. And the provincials then, of course, rule the lower Jesuits, and there are many Jesuits who are not “professed”, so many of the lower Jesuits have no idea what’s going on at the top. They have no concept of the power of their Order.

It’s just like Freemasonry. The lower Freemasons have no idea that the High Shriner Freemasons are working for the Jesuit General. They think that they’re just doing works and being good people. But the bottom line is that the high-level Freemasons are subject, also, to the Jesuit General because the Jesuit General, with Fredrick the Great, wrote the High Degrees, the last 8 Degrees, of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry when Fredrick protected them when they were suppressed by the Pope in 1773.

Source: http://www.remnantofgod.org/blackpope.htm

Thanks for sending me down this rabbit hole, was totally unaware of this angle. BUT.......This is one organisation, one part of a huge myriad of power.

[Lord Sidious]

The latest black pope is this nugget.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo_Nicolás
I don't know what all this has to do with the thread.
Could we please stick to the topic?

[777]

The latest black pope is this nugget.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo_Nicolás
I don't know what all this has to do with the thread.
Could we please stick to the topic?

I think yaksuit was trying to point out that not every powerful organisation is funded by rich Jewish families, of which we have discussed at length from one side of the perspective. He is offering evidence otherwise, which imo should be respected and encouraged.

But yes.......apologies LS for the digression, the real crux of this is anti-semitism:

:focus:

[yaksuit]

The latest black pope is this nugget.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo_Nicolás
I don't know what all this has to do with the thread.
Could we please stick to the topic?

I was attempting to stay on topic, perhaps it is on topic.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1603&letter=A

Excerpt from the article:

"Jesuit Hostility Toward Jews.

In 1870 a complete change had taken place. Liberalism had become predominant in western Europe. The North-German Confederation had adopted in 1869 the liberal principle that a man's creed should not in any way affect his civil or political rights. What is called Anti-Semitism was limited to those who opposed the fundamental principle of the modern state, the equality of rights regardless of creed and nationality, and yet even the "Kreuzzeitung" of Berlin, the organ of the feudal autocracy, "Junker-Partei," spoke of the Alsatian Jews as a Jewish branch of the German nation ("Allg. Zeit. d. Jud." 1871, p. 805), when political interest made the friendship of the Jews a desirable object. The most persistent advocates of papal infallibility, the Jesuits, in their organ, "Voce della Verità," said at the time: "If a reconciliation between the pope and the kingdom of Italy should ever take place, the Jews will have to return to the Ghetto" ("Kölnische Zeitung," April 6, 1873). The Duc de Broglie, then the leader of the monarchical and Clerical party in the French Chamber, proclaimed, as the chief misfortune of France, that there should be more than one religion ("Allg. Zeit. d. Jud." 1873, p. 107). Bishop von Ketteler of Mayence, one of the founders of the "Centrum," or Catholic party, in the Reichstag, mocked at the German "Michel" who allowed Jews to teach him what Teutonism was—a hit at Ludwig Bamberger, who was deputy to the German Reichstag from Mayence (ib. 1872, p. 265).

The most peculiar and contradictory charges were brought against the Jews in the clerical newspapers. The "Volksbote" of Munich said that the Jews were responsible for the fraudulent business methods of the Dachauer Bank, which was an enterprise founded and patronized by the Clerical party. The Jews had ruined it by their control over the law courts. The "Univers" of Paris and the "Vaterland" of Vienna (April 6, 1873) claimed that the "Old Catholic Church" was the work of the Jews, while Hermann von Scharff-Scharffenstein in his "Das Entlarvte Judenthum der Neuzeit" (ii. 61, Zurich, 1871) claimed that the wickedness of the Jesuits was due to the large number of Jews in the order. This policy was not confined to the Catholics. When the Prussian Diet passed the law of Feb. 8, 1872, which placed the control of the school system in the hands of the state, von Senfft-Pilsach, a member of the Conservative party, said, referring to Lasker, the law was the work of a "little Semitic gentleman." In a literary controversy on the subject of socialism Adolf Wagner, who subsequently was one of the leaders of the Christian-Socialists, dwelt, as an argument against his opponent H. B. Oppenheim, on the fact that the latter was a Jew. The leader of the Czechs in Austria, Francis Palacky (1798-1876), a Protestant said, in his farewell address to the Czech nation, that the Jews were Shylocks. The soil was ready to receive the seed of Anti-Semitism which from 1878 became a distinct political program."

[Lord Sidious]

The latest black pope is this nugget.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo_Nicolás
I don't know what all this has to do with the thread.
Could we please stick to the topic?

I think yaksuit was trying to point out that not every powerful organisation is funded by rich Jewish families, of which we have discussed at length from one side of the perspective. He is offering evidence otherwise, which imo should be respected and encouraged.

But yes.......apologies LS for the digression, the real crux of this is anti-semitism:

:focus:

Ok, that is a good point.
I like your new avatar and in purple too!

[Icecold]

Lord Sidious is correct.....

Although Wilhelm Marr is generally credited with coining the word "anti-Semitism" (see below), Alex Bein writes that the word was first used in 1860 by the Austrian Jewish scholar Moritz Steinschneider in the phrase "anti-Semitic prejudices".[21] Steinschneider used this phrase to characterize Ernest Renan's ideas about how "Semitic races" were inferior to "Aryan races.

Although it might be debatable whether Moritz Steinschneider was an elite, obviously an academic.

Moritz Steinschneider (March 30, 1816, Prostějov, Moravia – 1907) was a Bohemian bibliographer and Orientalist.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/03/Steinschneider_portrait.jpg/150px-Steinschneider_portrait.jpg

He received his early instruction in Hebrew from his father, Jacob Steinschneider (b. 1782; d. March, 1856), who was not only an expert Talmudist, but was also well versed in secular science. The house of the elder Steinschneider was the rendezvous of a few progressive Hebraists, among who was his brother-in-law, the physician and writer Gideon Brecher.

He chose fields far removed from that of theology proper, e.g., mathematics, philology, natural history, and medicine,

http://www.steinschneider.com/reports/outline_01.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moritz_Steinschneider

[Lord Sidious]

Uncle Sidious doesn't lie, can't you see the sigpic?

[Teakai]

Good idea Teakai. Or maybe a disclaimer that racist, contentious posts will be immediately deleted as unhelpful and harmful.......from either side of an argument. Luckily there's only been very little of that so far in this thread.

To be honest it saddens me that this subject matter is so taboo, and "iffy" as you say. And if I'm not mistaken that's the very gist that Lord Sidius is trying to point out. The very fact that we have to walk on egg shells around this topic validates the concept that being labelled anti-semetic is a huge deformation of character based upon a story the perpetuators were not alive to experience.

I haven't noticed anything racist. This hasn't been about denigrating anybody due to their race. It's been about pointing out facts - which happen to be attached to race. Deliberately, so that people get stopped at the 'contentious' door wa-a-a-a-ay before they get to where the truth lies.

I agree with the rest of your post.

[Rocky_Shorz]

the war between jews and muslims is one of the biggest reasons for all the posturing of the world. two neighbors can't/won't get along in the name of religion what a bunch of hogglyhoo. they fight over what name to put on the great spirit, who tells them join me or DIE forever now that real love. of course I'm being sarcastic. just have a problem with join me and live in paradise forever or die in hell forever is that really a choice?

once everyone realizes the truth lies in the center all of the unrest will end...

Jesus and Mohammad are my brothers and God is a friend...

all true Muslims are Christians and Jews...

Capiche?

[Teakai]

Sorry about that Teakai, that is my fault, I asked Paul to close it.
I am not going to have people derail my thread.
And I believe that one of the derailers is doing this on purpose.
I would be interested in what you have to say, please don't give it a miss.

.

In a nutshell the ruddy long post was about how this opposing input can have the advantage of helping you make your case. By keeping a clear head you not only expose the idiocy of the opposing argument, but it gives you the advantage of being able to address the points they raise and disolve them with logic and truth.

Paul - thanks for the explanation and advice. I just type as it comes - it's usually just stuff off the top of my head or from my heart. I'm just going to take a chance and get p*ssy whenever it happens.

[Teakai]

Meaning of Semitic:



But - does it really matter anyway? - because going further up the ladder the nazis and zionists are holding hands and doing deals. Let's not get caught on one of the bottom rungs arguing about labels and who gave who what label - because it's just a distraction that means nothing about what's what or we'll never get to exposing the factions at the top (the factions we're aware of, that is to say.)

[Teakai]

when what has been given as a shield is used as a sword

A shield not to protect the innocent - but for the 'ptw' to hide behind.

People were used, by those who use labels to suit themselves, as catalysts so as to forward a particular end.
Just another problem, reaction solution - brought to us by 'tptw'.

Just as 'tptw' are using the propoganda that those of the religion of Islam are terrorsists.

They just make it look like it's about the people to the public - when what it's all about is bringing about their end purpose which is the stinky nwo.

And they can do this only because people see the label and not the human. How stoopid is that? seriously?
When we can be sucked in to thinking a label matters and the person doesn't. We buy into the propaganda manipulation and that is how they carry out this nwo crap.

If it succeeds - it's only because we allowed it to. And not only allowed it - but helped it.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Do you believe the most influential and most powerful people in this world are Ashkenazi Jews? -



what do you think?

I'll give you a hint, Hitler was Jewish...

[Lord Sidious]

Do you believe the most influential and most powerful people in this world are Ashkenazi Jews? -



what do you think?

I'll give you a hint, Hitler was Jewish...

Go look in the holocaust thread if you believe this.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well the first country he attacked was his birthplace...


Hitler's Ancestry

As of August 24, 2010, The answer is a surprising PROBABLY...

According to Lab results (published in the British magazine 'Knack') Hitler may have had biological links to the "subhuman" races that he tried to annihilate during the Holocaust.

Jean-Paul Mulders, a Belgian journalist, and Marc Vermeeren, a historian tested saliva samples taken from 39 relatives of Adolf Hitler. They found a common link- a chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b1...this chromosome is uncommon to Western Europe; It is found in Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, and among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_Hitler_part_Jewish#ixzz1GoChffKH


I believe his Grandfather was Rothschild... which fits into everything you are sharing...

[Lord Sidious]

well the first country he attacked was his birthplace...


Hitler's Ancestry

As of August 24, 2010, The answer is a surprising PROBABLY...

According to Lab results (published in the British magazine 'Knack') Hitler may have had biological links to the "subhuman" races that he tried to annihilate during the Holocaust.

Jean-Paul Mulders, a Belgian journalist, and Marc Vermeeren, a historian tested saliva samples taken from 39 relatives of Adolf Hitler. They found a common link- a chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b1...this chromosome is uncommon to Western Europe; It is found in Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, and among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_Hitler_part_Jewish#ixzz1GoChffKH


And if you believe this, I have a large coat hanger shaped bridge in Sydney Harbour for sale.
Go look in the thread as I asked and see that we have already covered this ground.

[jorr lundstrom]

Teakai wrote: I'm just going to take a chance and get p*ssy whenever it happens.

I love it, thats how I lived when I was younger.:focus: Sorry fellows, just couldnt miss it.

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A Jesuit saying: Purpose sanctifies the means. Sweet saying, isnt it.:smash:

[Lord Sidious]

Check this out.
DVD 7: White Racial Identity Development: Implications for Counseling/Therapy
http://www.emicrotraining.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_82_39&products_id=322

A Race is a Nice Thing to Have DVD interview with Dr. Janet E. Helms
http://www.emicrotraining.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_82_38&products_id=340

Imagine for one second that we change these videos to a different racial group.
You reckon we would get sued and possibly charged with hate crimes?

This is the exact madness I am on about. ''They'' want us to be fighting amongst ourselves because she is jewish, he is black, I am white and so on.
Pfffffffffffffft.

[Icecold]

Meaning of Semitic:



But - does it really matter anyway? - because going further up the ladder the nazis and zionists are holding hands and doing deals. Let's not get caught on one of the bottom rungs arguing about labels and who gave who what label - because it's just a distraction that means nothing about what's what or we'll never get to exposing the factions at the top (the factions we're aware of, that is to say.)

lmao.

Yes YOU and I know that. But others do not, so YES the meaning of Semitic needs to be made clear.....as long as this "anti-Semitic" bullshiit perpetuates.

The message should be loud and clear. How can you convince people that anti-Semitism is a sham if they don't even understand what the words mean?

[jorr lundstrom]

Wot I remember from reading Genesis there were three men who was on top of linebred tribes. Named Sem, Ham and Jafet. And the tribes were

Semites, hamites and jafaites. Isnt it from there the word comes? Genesis is a lot about breeding technices and pedigreees. LOL

[Teakai]

what do you think?

I'll give you a hint, Hitler was Jewish...

I thought Hitler was meant to be Roman Catholic.

Which is beside the point.
The people driving the nwo bus are only using these labels.
What they know - they are not going to tell us - and one of the things they know is that the separatist religions that people embrace and identify with are the ties that bind them and the strings that are used to manipulate them.

[Rocky_Shorz]

there is only one God, coming together should be so easy for all of us...

we already know the breakdown of the 33 from Charles Pius vs non was how he categorized them...

so unholy is a given for many who are controlling us...

[Icecold]

Luke I notice a disturbance in the force.... :playball:

[Teakai]

there is only one God, coming together should be so easy for all of us...

we already know the breakdown of the 33 from Charles Pius vs non was how he categorized them...

so unholy is a given for many who are controlling us...

And therein lies the entire crux of the matter. You either 'be' integrated (that is live consciously from an integrated level) - or you don't.

Ego expresses this concept as god versus the devil
Good versus bad.

But - until you integrate you will not know what is good and what is not - because good will be what suits you and your level of perspective and bad will be all that is not good.

Once integrated - you will not need to make the distinction as you will be 'BEING' and you can't go wrong when you're 'BEING'.

So simple a concept - but such a difficult journey.

[ulli]

It's just a matter of direction...
towards refinement, away from what is course

[jorr lundstrom]

there is only one God, coming together should be so easy for all of us...

we already know the breakdown of the 33 from Charles Pius vs non was how he categorized them...

so unholy is a given for many who are controlling us...

I dont know of a God, but I know divinity, and I dont know who us is. :focus::kiss:

[Rocky_Shorz]

Mayer Amschel Rothschild was born in a Jewish ghetto... and his ancestry certainly appears very Jewish... as I'm sure many of the readers here will know. And I'm sure many are also aware of the accusation that the Jews (including the Rothschilds) descend from Khazars who "aren't really Jewish". Even if the Khazars were ancestors of the Ashkenazi, but were not Israelite originally, this does not mean they are "fake" necessarily. The Torah permitted non-Israelites to join the assembly and the nation if they were willing to submit to the Elohim of Israel and His Torah. Anti-Semites are largely ignorant of this reality, but still use the possibility as a means to discredit modern-day Jews.

ahhh, so the Khazars were upset they were forced to become Jewish...

That's where this mess all began?

[Lord Sidious]

Mayer Amschel Rothschild was born in a Jewish ghetto... and his ancestry certainly appears very Jewish... as I'm sure many of the readers here will know. And I'm sure many are also aware of the accusation that the Jews (including the Rothschilds) descend from Khazars who "aren't really Jewish". Even if the Khazars were ancestors of the Ashkenazi, but were not Israelite originally, this does not mean they are "fake" necessarily. The Torah permitted non-Israelites to join the assembly and the nation if they were willing to submit to the Elohim of Israel and His Torah. Anti-Semites are largely ignorant of this reality, but still use the possibility as a means to discredit modern-day Jews.

ahhh, so the Khazars were upset they were forced to become Jewish...

That's where this mess all began?

Only the khazar nobles converted.
Go find Arthur Koestlers 13th Tribe.

[DeMeeee]

Really - it's all just ruddy labels and little boxes, isn't it?

Until we're all awake and know ourselves truly - so that we don't feel the need to embrace religion or any other label as part of our identity we are still in a box. Even if it's a tolerant box, it's still a box and it's still a false construct.

When we know ourselves then we see that the labels and boxes are all just utterly stupid and that they just separate us from the reality.

When we get to that stage people with ill will won't be able to use them as tools.

No labels - man, know thyself.

I could not have stated this better.... well said :yes4:

[Dennis Jonathan]

I'm not a historian, but being born a Jew of European descent, I was taught by my father that Ashkanazi Jews were those (typically light skinned) Jews with European and Russian roots. Likewise I was taught that Sephardic Jews (typically darker skinned) were of Middle Eastern descent.

I have heard some of the histories theorizing the conversion of non Jews, and the creation of the 13th tribe, but I'm not sure I buy it. The Jews are a very tight knit culture to the point of seclusion, and exclusion. I've talked with many very traditional Jews before, and was told (regarding a convert to Judaism) "They can call themselves whatever they want, but being a Hebrew isn't a choice, it's a bloodline".

My grandfather used to tell us stories about our tribe (Levites), and how we were descendants of ancient Hebrew priests. We were also told we were Ashkanazi. Not sure how that factors into the theories.

I'm sharing this with you to give you an insight into the culture. Many things are passed from father to son, elders to grandchildren, and won't be found in secular history books. I was told it was necessary after the sacking of Jerusalem (the many), and crystal nacht more recently.

I rebelled against hypocrisy constantly in my youth (and still do). I found many faults with the religion I was born into. It wouldn't surprise me to find suppressed truths about the Jewish history, as is the case with ALL of our history. Just providing some perspective.

[Icecold]

I'm not a historian, but being born a Jew of European descent, I was taught by my father that Ashkanazi Jews were those (typically light skinned) Jews with European and Russian roots. Likewise I was taught that Sephardic Jews (typically darker skinned) were of Middle Eastern descent.


"They can call themselves whatever they want, but being a Hebrew isn't a choice, it's a bloodline".

Dennis, that was my understanding.

[Lord Sidious]

I'm not a historian, but being born a Jew of European descent, I was taught by my father that Ashkanazi Jews were those (typically light skinned) Jews with European and Russian roots. Likewise I was taught that Sephardic Jews (typically darker skinned) were of Middle Eastern descent.

I have heard some of the histories theorizing the conversion of non Jews, and the creation of the 13th tribe, but I'm not sure I buy it. The Jews are a very tight knit culture to the point of seclusion, and exclusion. I've talked with many very traditional Jews before, and was told (regarding a convert to Judaism) "They can call themselves whatever they want, but being a Hebrew isn't a choice, it's a bloodline".

My grandfather used to tell us stories about our tribe (Levites), and how we were descendants of ancient Hebrew priests. We were also told we were Ashkanazi. Not sure how that factors into the theories.

I'm sharing this with you to give you an insight into the culture. Many things are passed from father to son, elders to grandchildren, and won't be found in secular history books. I was told it was necessary after the sacking of Jerusalem (the many), and crystal nacht more recently.

I rebelled against hypocrisy constantly in my youth (and still do). I found many faults with the religion I was born into. It wouldn't surprise me to find suppressed truths about the Jewish history, as is the case with ALL of our history. Just providing some perspective.

The kagan and kagan bek of the khazar empire decided that they would adopt a major religion and judaism came up.

The names kagan and kaganovich are throwbacks to this conversion.
The conversion was done by sephards from Spain.


http://www.biyokulule.com/sawiro/sawirada_waaweyn/Khazaria1.jpg

[Icecold]

The Khazars' tribal structure is not well understood. They were divided between Ak-Khazars ("White Khazars") and Kara-Khazars ("Black Khazars"). The 10th-century Muslim geographer al-Istakhri claimed that the White Khazars were strikingly handsome with reddish hair, white skin and blue eyes while the Black Khazars were swarthy verging on deep black as if they were "some kind of Indian".[15] However, many Turkic nations had a similar (political, not racial) division between a "white" ruling warrior caste and a "black" class of commoners; the consensus among mainstream scholars is that Istakhri was confused by the names given to the two groups.[16]


Near East in 800 CE, showing the Khazar Khanate at its height.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/02/NE_800ad.jpg/727px-NE_800ad.jpg


Khazar religion

Turkic shamanism

Main article: Shamanism
Originally, the Khazars practiced traditional Turkic shamanism, focused on the sky god Tengri, but were heavily influenced by Confucian ideas imported from China, notably that of the Mandate of Heaven. The Ashina clan were considered to be the chosen of Tengri and the kaghan was the incarnation of the favor the sky-god bestowed on the Turks. A kaghan who failed had clearly lost the god's favor and was typically ritually executed. Historians have sometimes wondered, only half in jest, whether the Khazar tendency to occasionally execute their rulers on religious grounds led those rulers to seek out other religions.
The Khazars worshipped a number of deities subordinate to Tengri, including the fertility goddess Umay, Kuara, a thunder god, and Erlik, the god of death. "

[Icecold]

Conversion of the royalty and aristocracy to Judaism and relations with world Jewry

At some point in the last decades of the 8th century or the early 9th century, the Khazar royalty and nobility converted to Judaism, and part of the general population followed.[21] The extent of the conversion is debated. The 10th century Persian historian Ibn al-Faqih reported that "all the Khazars are Jews." Notwithstanding this statement, some scholars[22] believe that only the upper classes converted to Judaism; there is some support for this in contemporary Muslim texts.[23]

The exact date of the conversion is hotly contested. It may have occurred as early as 740 or as late as the mid-9th century. Recently discovered numismatic evidence suggests that Judaism was the established state religion by c. 830, and though St. Cyril (who visited Khazaria in 861) did not identify the Khazars as Jews, the khagan of that period, Zachariah, had a biblical Hebrew name.

Likewise, the Khazar rulers viewed themselves as the protectors of international Jewry, and corresponded with foreign Jewish leaders (the letters exchanged between the Khazar ruler Joseph and the Spanish rabbi Hasdai ibn Shaprut have been preserved).

The theory that the majority of Ashkenazic Jews are the descendants of the non-Semitic converted Khazars was advocated by various racial theoristsand antisemitic sources in the 20th century, especially following the publication of Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe.

Despite recent genetic evidence to the contrary, and a lack of any real mainstream scholarly support, this belief is still popular among groups such as the Christian Identity Movement, Black Hebrews, British Israelitists and others (particularly Arabs who claim that they, rather than Jews, are the true descendants of the Israelites, or who seek to downplay the connection between Ashkenazi Jews and Israel in favor of their own.


Theories linking Jews to Khazars today

Although the Khazar theory has little support amongst academics, in the Arab world it still enjoys popularity among anti-Zionists and antisemites; Such proponents argue that if Ashkenazi Jews are primarily Khazar and not Semitic in origin, they would have no historical claim to Israel, nor would they be the subject of God's Biblical promise of Canaan to the Israelites, thus undermining the theological basis of both Jewish religious Zionists and Christian Zionists. In the 1970s and 80s the Khazar theory was also advanced by some Russian chauvinist antisemites, particularly the historian Lev Gumilyov, who portrayed "Judeo-Khazars" as having repeatedly sabotaged Russia's development since the 7th century.

Bernard Lewis stated in 1999:
This theory… is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is little used except in occasional political polemics.

The Israeli historian of cinema, French intellectual history, and nationalism Shlomo Sand explored the theme of the Khazar ancestry of the Ashkenazi Jews in his controversial book The Invention of the Jewish People, first published in 2008. In it he states that Israeli historians have marginalized the thesis of Khazar ancestry, and that from 1951 to 2008, not a single historical work on the Khazars had been published in Hebrew. He writes that until the state of Israel was founded, this theory was accepted by Zionist and non-Zionist historians alike, and argues that the theory did not fit the preferred nationalist narrative of a people returning to its ancestral land to reclaim what was rightfully theirs, and so fell out of favor, particularly after 1967.

Some historians have criticised the quality of Sand's research; Simon Schama, in his review of Sand's book, writes: "to argue that the entirety of Ashkenazi Jewry must necessarily descend from the Khazars is to make precisely the uncritical claim of uninterrupted genealogy Sand is eager to dispute in the wider context of Jewish history.[59] Anita Shapira wrote "Sand bases his arguments on the most esoteric and controversial interpretations, while seeking to undermine the credibility of important scholars by dismissing their conclusions without bringing any evidence to bear."

[Lord Sidious]

I found an example of the sort of thing I meant when I said jews were being mentally conditioned to believe that their very existence was under threat.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaTtj9Mc000

Make of this what you will.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I'm not a historian, but being born a Jew of European descent, I was taught by my father that Ashkanazi Jews were those (typically light skinned) Jews with European and Russian roots. Likewise I was taught that Sephardic Jews (typically darker skinned) were of Middle Eastern descent.

I have heard some of the histories theorizing the conversion of non Jews, and the creation of the 13th tribe, but I'm not sure I buy it. The Jews are a very tight knit culture to the point of seclusion, and exclusion. I've talked with many very traditional Jews before, and was told (regarding a convert to Judaism) "They can call themselves whatever they want, but being a Hebrew isn't a choice, it's a bloodline".

My grandfather used to tell us stories about our tribe (Levites), and how we were descendants of ancient Hebrew priests. We were also told we were Ashkanazi. Not sure how that factors into the theories.

I'm sharing this with you to give you an insight into the culture. Many things are passed from father to son, elders to grandchildren, and won't be found in secular history books. I was told it was necessary after the sacking of Jerusalem (the many), and crystal nacht more recently.

I rebelled against hypocrisy constantly in my youth (and still do). I found many faults with the religion I was born into. It wouldn't surprise me to find suppressed truths about the Jewish history, as is the case with ALL of our history. Just providing some perspective.

do you know anything about the ancient Priests? for one, why weren't the Rabbis?

[Dennis Jonathan]

From my limited knowledge the Levites were the priests who took care of the temple. A Rabbi is the spiritual leader of a specific temple, or a student of the word of God to eventually become a teacher (which I believe is the actual translation of the word).

The Levite priests go back further than the system of the Rabbinical system. Think Aaron, Moses' brother, during the exodus story. Moses was the Rabbi in that situation. The one who spoke to God, and taught the people. Aaron and his sons were the priests who were allowed into the tabernacle, the room that held the ark, and were responsible for the keeping of the tabernacle, but did not speak directly to God. I believe they would also speak to the people, and help Moses communicate the message (since there were so many in the wilderness). Kind of like the Tibetan monks in a Buddhist temple. They are there to learn, meditate, and support the Dalai Lama, but they all can't have that position.

Hope that helps.

[shybastid]

I had a conversation with one of my old bosses who was not only an American Jew..He sent money to Jerusalem 4 times a year. After a few drinks one night and talking candidly,I asked him if being a Jew was a Race or Religion. I told him where I grew up in Ohio, Jews were segregated...by Country Club.
He went goofy on me asking me to explain.
REALLY rich Jews and I mean RICH (No country club names) OWNED parts of Florida and other cities.. When I say owned ..they OWNED them. http://www.squidoo.com/howard-metzenbaum That's good enough.
They did'nt "look" like Jews in the physical sense.
Different Country Club.. Intentional different look.
Boss went nuts.He was like"what do you mean how a jew looks? Thats racisim"
I was really trying to understand. Heck.. I never saw color or race growing up..why did jews try to look different? And hang out with wealth in a different club?
FYI... I was raised catholic..and had black friends and everyone else..and got slammed by everyone for having black friends into my families home...even after my dad got wiped out in the 68 riots in Cleveland.
We were..N lovers..and Jew lovers...different story.. I raised not to see race or color.. Lotta Italiens there..

RACIST Italiens.... LOL

I worked at the Country Clubs to make money. Did'nt know there was a social structure based on wealth and NON jew looking. Caddied..Washed towels. Kitchen work.. Always worked at CC's. (Country clubs) too..WASPS too.) As long as you worked weekends and took Mondays off and showed up the other 6 days.. you could get work. Never mind the split shifts.
(9 or 10 to 2..off 3 hours..back at 4 or 5 to 8 to 10)

When I learned at about 16, that ONE jewish country club was superior based on wealth and not looking jewish I was shocked. YES.. You had to have SO much money and NOT look Jewish. AND? Once you were a member of the "cheaper" club? You couldn't get a sponsor for the other club.
Just so you know I'm not BSing you.. here's the wealthiest Jewish private Country Club in the U.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillcrest_Country_Club_(Los_Angeles)

My point? I still don't know or understand race and religion sometimes based on Jews ideologies and reading all this stuff.
It seems to contadict it's idea's while trying to confirm it. There seems to be an overlapping of justification for having been persecuted at any cost. Never mind not "looking" like a jew. Just stating what happened in the "caste" system of money and position in the Jewish Club mentality where I grew up.

My exboss called me an asshole for bringing it up and to drop it.
He can't get into Hillcrest.
He's not rich enough.:p
We're still friends.
..

[Lord Sidious]

From my limited knowledge the Levites were the priests who took care of the temple. A Rabbi is the spiritual leader of a specific temple, or a student of the word of God to eventually become a teacher (which I believe is the actual translation of the word).

The Levite priests go back further than the system of the Rabbinical system. Think Aaron, Moses' brother, during the exodus story. Moses was the Rabbi in that situation. The one who spoke to God, and taught the people. Aaron and his sons were the priests who were allowed into the tabernacle, the room that held the ark, and were responsible for the keeping of the tabernacle, but did not speak directly to God. I believe they would also speak to the people, and help Moses communicate the message (since there were so many in the wilderness). Kind of like the Tibetan monks in a Buddhist temple. They are there to learn, meditate, and support the Dalai Lama, but they all can't have that position.

Hope that helps.

From what I understand, the religion before the destruction of the temple required that to worship, you had to attend the temple, with the priests present.
Obviously that wasn't possible after the destruction of the temple and the slaughtering of the priests, so that is where the rabbis took over that role.
In a christian sense, they would be a laypreacher.
And with no temple, the synagogue became the focus.

[Lifesong]

In the back of Joel C. Rosenberg's "Epicenter", Appendix 2 lists the results of a poll conducted by McLaughlin & Associates specifically for Rosenberg.

1,000 randomly selected American adults on February 13, 2006

"The polling firm asked people whether they agreed or disagreed with the following statement: the rebirth of the state of Israel in 1948 and the return of millions of Jews to the Holy Land after centuries in exile represent the fulfillment of biblical prophecies.
52% of all Americans agree
Only 22% disagree
26% say they don't know

The polling firm asked people whether they agreed or disagreed with the following statement: Events such as the rebirth of the State of Israel, wars and instability in the Middle East, recent earthquakes, and the tsunami in Asia are evidence that we are living in what the Bible calls the last days.
42% of all Americans agree
44% disagree
14% say they don't know"

There are breakdowns on gender, religion, political party, rate income, region and age. This is interesting, I think. Especially the wording of the questions.

[shybastid]

Yep.. Interesting.. Who wrote and/or backed the questions?
What do you think they were driving at as an end result?

I've NEVER seen a pole that wasn't driven by an adgena that wasn't paid for. Who's paying or driving it?

The poll for Charles here was not politically hidden with an adgenda.

Money was not the driving force. Just a fact finding mission.

I've been telemarketed by any group on the planet that if I say yes to more then one question...I meet their political and financial adgenda to ask more questions. Not that hard to see motive.

I prefer to not answer too many questions with strangers looking for an end result.

Friends? I got a big mouth.

[shybastid]

http://blog.buzzflash.com/contributors/3251
Oh, here's one idea...

Oh...Here's another topic.. same guys.
http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/2010/10/12/new-poll-finds-nearly-eight-in-ten-americans-dont-believe-obama-policies-will-stop-iran-from-getting-nukes-poll-provides-fascinating-insight-into-voters-views-on-israel-and-epicenter-issues/

[Lord Sidious]

Not being a believer of the abrahamic system, I often wonder how people can put aside what is written as to what they choose to believe.
Jesus was asking if he was king of the jews, he replied that his state was not of this earth.
How can israel be that same state?

[thunder24]

Lord,
are not the pharisees still operating today? if so then the spirit of prophecy that was in Jesus would still hold true today even though you don't go by Abrahamic teachings?!?
peace:painkiller:

[Lord Sidious]

Lord,
are not the pharisees still operating today? if so then the spirit of prophecy that was in Jesus would still hold true today even though you don't go by Abrahamic teachings?!?
peace:painkiller:

Yes and yes.

[Swanette]

Not being a believer of the abrahamic system, I often wonder how people can put aside what is written as to what they choose to believe.
Jesus was asking if he was king of the jews, he replied that his state was not of this earth.
How can israel be that same state?

Yes, on earth we are divided by intention and in 'heaven' we are all the same. Whether we are Jewish, Muslim, white, asian, black,rich, poor, blue eyes, brown eyes, etc....it doesn't matter. It is all about the 'divide and control/conquer' and we humans are having a hard time thinking above the control that is on us here on earth in our material world. Some of us just have a hard time thinking 'out of the box'.:angel:

[Noble Hops]

there is only one God, coming together should be so easy for all of us...

Sure about that?

[Rocky_Shorz]

well does anyone recognize the name RA?

whispers of Glory but in truth wanted destruction for all of us...

a multidimensional being who had been interfering with Humans...

RA is gone now, but much of his influence still remains...

I RAn

Is RA ill?

no he has passed...

edited to say maybe Past is a better word... he failed miserably...

[K626]

It goes on Christianity v Paganism.
Earth god v sky god
Man at the center v god at the center.

It's all negotiable.

Kcentrum

Just checking the links Yak kindly added to this thread...It is safe to say that the Jesuits and their alligned fraternity hide the true nature and power of christianity...Yes!! From the christian masses!!...Lordy Lord!!

Katanga my son!!

etc...


GO in peace.

K

[K626]

I found an example of the sort of thing I meant when I said jews were being mentally conditioned to believe that their very existence was under threat.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaTtj9Mc000

Make of this what you will.

Good find that sid.

The Jews are being used. It's as simple as that.

K

[Ahkenaten]

If one looks at the Sumerian King's list and the genealogy in the Old Testament of the Bible one can see that humans have lived on earth for far longer than is usually understood to be the case...........and if one accepts the idea that those thought to be "gods" by our ancestors were something else altogether - and that they may in fact have interbred with us at some point for some purpose - this provides a radical context for reassessing history and the wars and conflicts that have been going on for thousands of years. To take this thread of logic further, if one understands the conflicts going on in the world now - especially in the Middle East - as essentially warfare between relatives over control of key technology, lands and resources - AND CONTROL OVER US - that puts a whole other slant on things. A huge red flag for me was the astonishing fact that for some reason an attack on Libya HAD TO OCCUR ON MARCH 20 coincident with the super-full moon and other holidays with very ancient meanings! There was an astronomical, astrological, and occult meaning to that date that was SO IMPORTANT that Barak Obama chose to ignore the legal cover even George W. Bush thought was necessary - acquiring Congressional approval for the attack. This date also coincided with the attack date for Iraq debacle II in 2003. THIS IS NOT A MERE COINCIDENCE!! As one example of an alternate frame within which to understand historical events unfolding now - the idea of an enduring conflict between the forces known as "Enlil" and Enki" frames (we have been conditioned to think that Enlil/Ninurta/Nergal represented the forces of Evil, or Satan; while Enki represented the forces of good, or God.) this in terms that explains much of what is going on. A problem occurred in the genealogical narrative, IMO at around the time of Nimrod at which point the narrative, lineages and dynastic threads became muddied and confused. From that point onward it is unclear if Enki represented the forces of good or if Nergal represented the forces or evil or if the polarity was reversed. From that point onward it is nearly impossible to untangle the lineages or narratives that had been interwoven, perhaps deliberately, let alone discern the "good guys" (or gods) from the "bad guys" (or gods.) Which brings us to today. If the only choice we have today, and it appears that this is the false dualistic set that is being presented to us, is to chose between those I loosely and somewhat metaphorically will call the "Nazis" and their bitter ideological opponents the "Zionists" - well that is no choice at all, BECAUSE THEY ARE BLOOD RELATIVES AND MERELY SUBSETS OF THE SAME CLAN AND FORCES. After all if one traces these threads that I call the bloodline of Enki and the bloodline of Nergal back in time, even moving through the tangled confusion that occurred during the time of Nimrod, one discovers the people and ideologies are but forms IN FACT ARE RELATIVES of some centralized ideology and GROUP OF PEOPLE/"Gods." Why be forced to chose the lesser of two evils? Why take sides in a battle between relatives that has been going on for thousands of years at least and had nothing to do with us??!! Why allow ourselves to be but pawns in their game?

We must not be driven into making this false choice. We must remove their power from us for once and for all by declaring our independence from them forever.

Our lives and energies, even if we are somewhat genetically related to them, and even if we were "created" to be their slaves, ARE NOT THEIRS TO EXPROPRIATE.

We must not chose sides. We must remove ourselves from the control of these groups, whether it be one branch of relatives or another, i.e. the descendants of Enki or Enlil/Ninurta.

If they wish to war with one another and wreak havoc - they can do it without our willing participation, without our consent, and most of all, without our MINDS AND ENERGIES THAT THEY CONTINUALLY EXPROPRIATE FOR THEIR PURPOSES.

We must shake our fists at heaven and declare our independence for once and for all!

[celestia]

Hi Everyone
This is a link to a Newsweek article about unwelcome Ethiopian Jews in Israel.http://www.newsweek.com/2011/03/20/hard-going-in-the-homeland.html
Evidence on semitics being themselves anti-semitics :confused:
as for those Ethiopians they suffer both: racism and anti-semitism...

Love and peace

[Platinum]

We need to stop this madness NOW!

Hey Lord Sidious, thank you for this topic. I've just finished reading through it all.

Sorry for the long post. I've edited it down four times already.

It is really hard for me to broach this subject at all, such is the turmoil it causes me. I've reached a stage along my personal path of development, where it takes alot to draw me from a place of inner peace, and cause a reaction in me. I so rarely take anything personally any-more, and just don't have any inner 'targets' left that can be hit.

Except perhaps for this one.

As such, I tend to impose a strict censorship upon myself, so as not to be drawn. But, it is hard not to be, as it is a subject matter I still feel so deeply on, due to past experience, in this lifetime, and others.

The Middle East holds a poignant place in my heart, and is very special for me.

Once again, this lifetime it seems, is no different; and whilst being an 'Englishman' by birth this time around, I have again found myself inextricably caught up in this beautiful region's emotional and spiritual battles. Love, and friendship have made it personal for me.

Some years ago, I met a group of new friends, who were staying in England for six months, improving their English, and just here to enjoy themselves, before they had to return to Israel to begin their compulsory service in the IDF.

Of the group, in particular, a highly intelligent, and warm hearted guy called Avishai was to become a dear and close friend, and a breathtakingly beautiful, extremely passionate and caring girl, Dana, was to become my girlfriend while she was here. I learnt an amazing amount about life from both of them, in varying ways.

Then, there was Rafi. A brilliant mind, and outrageously sharp sense of humour, he's half Lebanese, half Palestinian, and is a journalist, who we met while in London for a weekend at a Peace rally. The four of us, struck up strong friendships, and were pretty much inseparable.

Now, there were some fascinating dynamics between us as a group. Avi and Dana had both gone through their IDF "Education and Youth Corps" indoctrination in High School. But these were two bright shining Souls, in whom it had failed to knock the humanity out of. They had great insights to share of their experiences, and were dreading returning to Israel for their compulsory service.

Dana was a very outspoken youth peace activist, and hated what the leaders of her country stood for.

Then into the mix, we had Rafi, who as well as a journalist, was also Hizb'allah. The western media have painted Hizb'allah in an extremely negative light, as that old chestnut "terrorists". If that's what they want to call a dynamic organisation dedicated to the social welfare and defence of their homeland, ok, whatever. They do a lot of good in their country, and are loved by many for their selfless, tireless work in education and welfare, and protection where necessary too.

Anyway, the point is, these vastly differing life-experiences and cultures they were coming from, mattered not. Interesting discussion at times, for sure, but above all, these beautiful souls loved one-another as the human brothers and sisters we truly are, and developed strong bonds of friendship. They all told me that this is the way pretty much the vast majority of all their friends and families back home felt too. There was no hatred for each-other and their cultures they assured me, all both sets of peoples wanted was to live together in peace, (Palestinians too says Rafi, not just Lebanese and Israeli). It's mostly just the so called "leaders" of their respective countries who want anything other than that, the Israeli ones in particular doing all they can to stir up enmity and separation as they go about their warmongering ways.

Eventually Dana and Avi returned home to Israel to face their conscription into the war machine, the thought of which sickened them both. Rafi stayed in England for a while, until things started simmering in Lebanon again, when he returned home to do what he felt his duty to his country.

Dana and I would speak on the phone when she could call, to keep in touch, but it could be a nightmare sometimes trying to get through and keep a good connection between Israel and England. I missed her more than I can say, and always worried for her.

I heard from Rafi often too, and learned that after one of the many sickening Israeli incursions into Gaza, that he was going in alongside some of his Hizb'allah friends to help mutual friends in Hamas (another much demonized group with the welfare and defence of their people at heart). Rafi was not going in to fight, but help with rebuilding and trying to report truth in the midst of a media black out by Israel.

I guess it was something that was 'fated' to happen. Dana's Unit (she served as a medic) had been ordered into Gaza City, and Rafi was there at the same time. Rafi was reporting at the scene of a school which had just been destroyed by an IAF missile, where Hamas fighters were "ALLEGEDLY" using children as human shields. In reality, Hamas were not even near the school when the missile hit. IDF soldiers were indiscriminately firing on anyone running out of the area, and Rafi was hit twice in the shoulder and once in the arm by IDF gunfire. As Hamas fighters appeared from the opposite direction from the targeted school to engage the IDF, Dana took a massive risk to break from her ranks (when she should have followed her unit), and saved him; moving him from harms way, and treating his wounds, until some Hizb'allah came to help Rafi to safety. Sadly, she was reported by others of her Unit.

I did not hear from Rafi, Dana or Avi for a long time. I discovered different parts of this story about a month after it had happened, firstly when Rafi finally managed to contact me, and explained what had happened, but he did not know what had happened to Dana. He'd left before he knew she was seen by her Unit.

The rest I learned when Avishai called me about another month later. He told me that Dana had been arrested by the Israeli Military Police for "assisting an enemy combatant".

I cannot imagine, how it must feel, to come face to face with a dear friend, on opposite sides of a battlefield, of which neither ever wanted to be a part of. But, there is no such thing as coincidence, and I can only imagine that this was something they had chosen before we even came here, into the storyline for this lifetime. One thing though I do know, we will always be grateful for the courage of such beautiful a soul as Dana.

It's the wreckage to human lives, so callously and needlessly destroyed in the name of ideologies, then just written off as "collateral damage" that really gets to me.

Avi is a shadow of his former self. The toll of the heinous war crimes he has seen perpetrated by the IDF he was part of, against the Palestinian and Lebanese peoples, have forever altered him. His once massive warm heart that I so loved in him, has grown cold.

From Avi's own words, in an email to Rafi:

"How can you ever forgive me, my brother? The things I have seen and been made to do against your innocent defenceless people have scarred my life, and seared my soul. I am forever contaminated by what we have done to you.

All this destruction and death we have caused, mighty machines of war, against people with only stones to throw in defence. My god how can we hold up the banner of holocaust with our left hand, as we make genocide with our right. My brother I am so ashamed of my life, of my nation. How I have come to hate this flag, Eretz Yisrael, and this evil it is standing for. My brother I am so very sorry."


I know, ultimately this is a 'Game' of incarnation we are playing here together, but it breaks my heart all the same.

You cannot speak the truth about this genocide, without being hounded by slavering zionist attack dogs playing the "anti-semitism" card. Even questioning the number of jews killed in the holocaust, hands you a one way ticket to jail. Just ask David Irving and Ernst Zündel. What kind of world sends people to prison for being a "holocaust denier"? It's utterly insane.

I have as much love for the Israeli people, as I do the Palestinians, Lebanese, and my other brothers and sisters around the Middle East. But speak out against the genocide, and despite the facts, that's it, "you're an Israel hater!"

Well, no, I'm not actually, I just despise genocide. Sorry if that offends zionist sensibilities.

So, Lord Sidious my friend, I share your passion about this crazy mess. :angry:

[Lord Sidious]

Good find that sid.

The Jews are being used. It's as simple as that.

K

They are indeed, that is the scary part.
Getting that message out to the ''little jews'' and convincing them that we, as non jews care more about them than the jewish elites, how the hell do you do that?

And yes, it is true, this will all come to pass, that is not the point, it is what the good men and women do NOW, that is the question.

And to Platinum, thanks.
Pressing the thanks button once seems a bit less than you deserve, but I can only do it once.
Your story is one that I have observed myself at times in a way.
My friend that taught me arabic also knows hebrew. He is Egyptian and has no ill will towards jews or israelis.
He said to me what seems a lifetime ago, we all have to live here, the jews aren't going anywhere, there is no other way than peace.
The problem is, this is a hard area to deal with, it's one of the taboos, that is why we have to hammer it.
Israel is mainly owned by the rothschilds, but how many of them live there?
Not many of the ''real'' jewish elites do live there, they live elsewhere.
And in the same way that the scapegoat of biblical origin was taken out, the sins of the people transferred to it and then it was ceremonially killed, I fear that is what israel really is.

[Dennis Jonathan]

Thank you for sharing that beautiful and profoundly sad story.

Sadly it offers a rare glimpse into the heart of the matter.

Dana's story is akin to the parable of the good Samaritan.

Thank you.

[Platinum]

And to Platinum, thanks.
Pressing the thanks button once seems a bit less than you deserve, but I can only do it once.

Most welcome. :)


Your story is one that I have observed myself at times in a way.
My friend that taught me arabic also knows hebrew. He is Egyptian and has no ill will towards jews or israelis.
He said to me what seems a lifetime ago, we all have to live here, the jews aren't going anywhere, there is no other way than peace.

Exactly. And, in complete opposite of the picture painted by aforementioned genocidal state, who continuously slate any opposition to their genocide as people who "want Israel wiped from the map", this could not be further from the truth.

Like fire, you can't fight genocide with more genocide. It patently does not work, and we are not of the mindset to wish for such a despicable thing anyway.

As the eminent Dr. Finkelstein says, it's not about "recognising Israel" or whether or not Israel "has the right to exist". As a Nation State, like it or not, it exists. It's right there, making its presence firmly felt. It's about learning to live together, now that it is there.

But sadly, as long as the usual faces keep harbouring ambitions for "Eretz Yisrael", I don't believe they'll ever be satisfied until "the Nile to the Euphrates" comes to fruition. No matter what they may say to the contrary.



The problem is, this is a hard area to deal with, it's one of the taboos, that is why we have to hammer it.


Indeed. Unfortunately though, what B'nai B'rith wants, the ADL and AIPAC usually gets for it; by way of methods stated in OP. Sometimes it feels like we're King Canute, waving our arms in front of a 50 foot tsunami.
(Note to self: order new wetsuit and snorkel).



And in the same way that the scapegoat of biblical origin was taken out, the sins of the people transferred to it and then it was ceremonially killed, I fear that is what israel really is.


I think your understanding of the situation is likely highly accurate.



Thank you for sharing that beautiful and profoundly sad story.

Sadly it offers a rare glimpse into the heart of the matter.

Dana's story is akin to the parable of the good Samaritan.

Thank you.


Thank you Dennis. She is one amazing soul. I have been so blessed to know her, and share in her life.

[butcherman]

it all boils down to IQ ,i think this will all end if we can grow up together without religion and culture to divide and rule us, conflict born out of old prejudice and tradition. back in the 80s i used to live in seven kings ilford uk it was a ruff and ready irish community by 87 i was the only white catholic in the street the people were fine individually, it was the culture that got me , i know we live in a multi cultural society these days but the pubs have closed the moscs have replaced the churches and the shops have know interest to my culture, funny though turn up at the local football club not one to be seen different culture u see. peace and love to you all just not in my back garden.

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ps as an english man abroad i was all ways taught "when in rome " to exept the rules and culture of the country im in .

[truthseekerdan]

This definitely needs to be Stopped! :der:

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/515/147/Iran-_Apocalypse_is_Near_Video.html