Michio Kaku's nuclear disaster Update(s)

[Ross]

Compliments to Tone3jaguar:


News & Developments:

Three reactors (units 1,2,3) are now involved with partial meltdowns.
Units 1 and 3 have had their outer containment wall blown off by huge hydrogen gas explosions. (The hydrogen gas comes from a chemical interaction between water and the zirconium cladding surrounding the rods.
The gas explodes when it is vented and interacts with oxygen.)

All three units have had some core damage. Units 2 and 3 apparently were almost totally uncovered at some point, without any cooling water. Sea water is apparently leaking out of Unit 3, so that seawater is escaping as soon as it is flushed into the core. Even fire hoses are being used to keep sea water in the core. This also means that the reactors will become permanent pieces of junk afterwards, unfit for commercial use.

The water level gauge that measures how much water there is in the nuclear core is broken, and hence reliable figures are hard to get.
Radiation levels have soared. Several workers have shown full blown symptoms of radiation sickness (probably indicating that they absorbed perhaps tens of thousands of X-ray equivalents).

Unit 3 contains MOX fuel (mixed oxide fuel) which contains plutonium, which is one of the most toxic chemicals known to science. So a possible meltdown there might spread this deadly chemical as well.

The state of the nuclear waste units is unclear so there is always the possibility that the huge nuclear waste contained in these storage units might escape.

The utility states that the situation is, at present, stable. This might be true, but its the stability of hanging on a cliff by your fingernails.


Ross.

[Tuza]

Compliments from Tone3jaguar:


News & Developments:

Three reactors (units 1,2,3) are now involved with partial meltdowns.
Units 1 and 3 have had their outer containment wall blown off by huge hydrogen gas explosions. (The hydrogen gas comes from a chemical interaction between water and the zirconium cladding surrounding the rods.
The gas explodes when it is vented and interacts with oxygen.)

All three units have had some core damage. Units 2 and 3 apparently were almost totally uncovered at some point, without any cooling water. Sea water is apparently leaking out of Unit 3, so that seawater is escaping as soon as it is flushed into the core. Even fire hoses are being used to keep sea water in the core. This also means that the reactors will become permanent pieces of junk afterwards, unfit for commercial use.

The water level gauge that measures how much water there is in the nuclear core is broken, and hence reliable figures are hard to get.
Radiation levels have soared. Several workers have shown full blown symptoms of radiation sickness (probably indicating that they absorbed perhaps tens of thousands of X-ray equivalents).

Unit 3 contains MOX fuel (mixed oxide fuel) which contains plutonium, which is one of the most toxic chemicals known to science. So a possible meltdown there might spread this deadly chemical as well.

The state of the nuclear waste units is unclear so there is always the possibility that the huge nuclear waste contained in these storage units might escape.

The utility states that the situation is, at present, stable. This might be true, but its the stability of hanging on a cliff by your fingernails.


Ross.

No one can tell anyone what to do, but if I had a loved one on the island I would be pleading for them to get out like now. Just mho.

[Ross]

Just in:

News is saying, Fire in reactor 4....

[Davidallany]

Warning to all US and Canadians people located near the Pacific rim! there is danger from the fallout approaching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LnGLajhVIA

[sllim11]

does anyone know if people on the west coast need to take potassium iodide and if yes when? does anyone know where to find out protocol for that?

thanks!

[panopticon]

Warning to all US and Canadians people located near the Pacific rim! there is danger from the fallout approaching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LnGLajhVIA

G'day Davidallany,

On what do you base this statement?

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[panopticon]

G'day All,

This is the best update of the current situation I have found on the NET:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42066534/ns/world_news-asia-pacific/

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Addendum:
From another thread:


The tone in reporting the nuclear side of this event has altered over the last 12 hours.
Not just the main stream media but also the Tepco official reports and the PM's statements.
Advice to stay inside if within a 30k radius.
Explosion at reactor #2. Fire at reactor #4.

I do not know whether this is to do with a need for increasing dramatisation of the event (if that's even possible) within the msm or to do with there being a genuine nuclear danger.
The recent "shelter in place" advise from the PM is worrying.
The request for international assistance (in relation to cooling of nuclear reactors) is also.

Apologies from TEPCO officials is strange, though culturally not unusual in the case of massive failures.

[Arpheus]

http://www.radiationnetwork.com/RadiationNetwork.htm
This will be very useful folks keep your eyes on it it updates itself every 3 minutes in real time,thats the best way i found for the people who live in the USA to keep track of the safe levels of radiation across the nation,save to your bookmark and lets pray together that nothing horrible comes out of this.

[gigha]

Compliments to Tone3jaguar:


News & Developments:

Three reactors (units 1,2,3) are now involved with partial meltdowns.
Units 1 and 3 have had their outer containment wall blown off by huge hydrogen gas explosions. (The hydrogen gas comes from a chemical interaction between water and the zirconium cladding surrounding the rods.
The gas explodes when it is vented and interacts with oxygen.)

All three units have had some core damage. Units 2 and 3 apparently were almost totally uncovered at some point, without any cooling water. Sea water is apparently leaking out of Unit 3, so that seawater is escaping as soon as it is flushed into the core. Even fire hoses are being used to keep sea water in the core. This also means that the reactors will become permanent pieces of junk afterwards, unfit for commercial use.

The water level gauge that measures how much water there is in the nuclear core is broken, and hence reliable figures are hard to get.
Radiation levels have soared. Several workers have shown full blown symptoms of radiation sickness (probably indicating that they absorbed perhaps tens of thousands of X-ray equivalents).

Unit 3 contains MOX fuel (mixed oxide fuel) which contains plutonium, which is one of the most toxic chemicals known to science. So a possible meltdown there might spread this deadly chemical as well.

The state of the nuclear waste units is unclear so there is always the possibility that the huge nuclear waste contained in these storage units might escape.

The utility states that the situation is, at present, stable. This might be true, but its the stability of hanging on a cliff by your fingernails.


Ross.

Thanks Ross.

:bump:

[king anthony]

Has there not been nuclear events, such as b*mbing, b*mb tests, other 'broken' reactors, things falling from the sky/space and who knows what else - all around the world - 'all the time'!? Other then those in proximity of this event, how is this a concern for those who are not!? Is this not about promoting fear and control!?

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://images.ibsys.com/sh/images/weather/auto/jt_us_wui_640x480.jpg

the clouds go straight from Japan to San Fran and north...

http://www.stormpulse.com/pacific

[gigha]

Has there not been nuclear events, such as b*mbing, b*mb tests, other 'broken' reactors, things falling from the sky/space and who knows what else - all around the world - 'all the time'!? Other then those in proximity of this event, how is this a concern for those who are not!? Is this not about promoting fear and control!?

Yes there has been many nuclear events, too many to mention, but if because it is not in your backyard, does not mean you should not feel for the people (beings) involved.. who have been subjected to such an horrific event. Sorry if i miss under stood you.. peace

[Tuza]

Human beings all around the world Have a right to know what is going on in Japan. Why? Well they could have relatives or friends there that they are worried about. Although I live in Australia I certainly want to know what's going on and I know darn well I am not going to get it from msm; we are only told what they are allowed to say.

It has become a disaster of monumental proportions and if we can't get the truth from normal msm then we have to try and get it ourselves somehow.

[king anthony]

...if because it is not in your backyard, does not mean you should not feel for the people (beings) involved.. who have been subjected to such an horrific event.

My words are that of fact related to the concern of the topic of this thread; I have not stated or implied that compassion for those in need is not to be.

[Tuza]

...if because it is not in your backyard, does not mean you should not feel for the people (beings) involved.. who have been subjected to such an horrific event.

My words are that of fact related to the concern of the topic of this thread; I have not stated or implied that compassion for those in need is not to be.

King Anthony, is anyone going to get an iota of what is really happening there from the local darn news.............................No....................I dont think so. If I was over in Japan I would be wanting to try to get information on what is happening and dont tell me their telling the public everything that is going on because their not. End of story. People have the right to find out the truth no matter and then make up their own minds.

[king anthony]

If I was over in Japan I would be wanting to try to get information on what is happening and dont tell me their telling the public everything that is going on because their not. End of story.

My words do not state or imply that being informed is not to be; as the discussion is the concern of radiation being a global threat.

[Tuza]

If I was over in Japan I would be wanting to try to get information on what is happening and dont tell me their telling the public everything that is going on because their not. End of story.

My words do not state or imply that being informed is not to be; as the discussion is the concern of radiation being a global threat.

Well if there is a possibility the bloody thing blows up I would certainly want to know, winds change in a second.

[9eagle9]

There seems to be a weird form of cognitive dissonance around this quoted post. King Anthony didn't express a lack of caring but assumes a sort of logical objectivity based on factual past events rather than emotionally charged imaginations.

That sort of objectivity serves better than 'reading what wasn't actually said'. More self evident than the emotionally charged passions, you know?

READ the posts and respond off of what was written not on assumptions.

People will wonder about your reading comprehension. I know I am.


Has there not been nuclear events, such as b*mbing, b*mb tests, other 'broken' reactors, things falling from the sky/space and who knows what else - all around the world - 'all the time'!? Other then those in proximity of this event, how is this a concern for those who are not!? Is this not about promoting fear and control!?

[king anthony]

Well if there is a possibility the bloody thing blows up I would certainly want to know, winds change in a second.

Thank you for quoting my post - I have been clear with my words and with my attempt(s) to clarify; my apologies that I do not understand the direction you are on. All the best.

[Lord Sidious]

Warning to all US and Canadians people located near the Pacific rim! there is danger from the fallout approaching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LnGLajhVIA&feature=related

Let's see if that worked.

[Dennis Jonathan]

You haven't clearly expressed your thoughts, you did the same thing you always do. Ask 10 theoretical questions in a row followed by "!?"

Your posts have the tone of a motivational speech introduction with no body or conclusion.

I wouldn't have said anything, but you claimed you were clear, and that's "clearly" not the case.

[Nervana]

There seems to be a run on Potassium Iodine. I looked at several websites and they say temporarily out of stock. I live outside of Chicago, should I run out and get some? Any thoughts?

[Davidallany]

On a youtube video. I embedded it but for some reason it doesn't show. Here is another warning.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEsHbN-75e8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEsHbN-75e8

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Better safe than sorry.

[gigha]

So many watch? But how many see ?

[panopticon]

G'day Davidallany,
I watched the videoes.
Last one first.

On a youtube video. I embedded it but for some reason it doesn't show. Here is another warning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEsHbN-75e8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEsHbN-75e8
¤=[Post Update]=¤
Better safe than sorry.
It was depicting the jet stream not nuclear fallout. "Make the Japanese Pay For It." That show a lot of empathy.
The event depicted would only occur with an explosive event that is unlikely.

First video:

Warning to all US and Canadians people located near the Pacific rim! there is danger from the fallout approaching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LnGLajhVIA
This video appears to be based on a fake image as reported by Astrid (in this post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16048-THAT-WAS-MASSIVE-9.1-in-Japan-%28Tsunami%29&p=174057&viewfull=1#post174057)):
http://www.theweatherspace.com/news/TWS-3_12_2011_fakeimage.html

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[panopticon]

G'day All,

I am unable to verify this report (http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/) from ABC News Australia (http://www.abc.net.au/news/) so do not jump to apocalyptic conclusions:

5:32 PM BREAKING: The IAEA says Japanese authorities have told it the spent fuel storage pond at the number 4 reactor at the ***ushima nuclear plant is on fire.
The Japanese authorities say the fire could have been caused by a hydrogen explosion. The plant is releasing radioactive material directly into the atmosphere.

Also I just heard there is a report of a "no fly zone" over the plant site (CNN Australia).

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Addendum:
I think the reported fire in this post is the same one from earlier today and the report on the IAEA website for the Japanese tsunami event (http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html) has only just gone up causing the problem with the ABC reporting it as a current event.
I apologise for my mistake in not picking this up earlier.

[sllim11]

i thought this was useful...

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1763

[Calz]

There seems to be a run on Potassium Iodine. I looked at several websites and they say temporarily out of stock. I live outside of Chicago, should I run out and get some? Any thoughts?

On Coast to Coast AM radio last night there was a short interview regarding this subject.

She ran off a number of possible side effects. Not going to "give advice" other than suggest you learn about what you are considering putting into your body and then measure that against how much radiation do you *really* expect to get in Chicago all the way from Japan?

[astrid]

http://www.theweatherspace.com/news/images/31211k.jpg


(TheWeatherSpace.com) -- A hoax is going around the Internet about a nuclear fallout map, which kills people in the Western United States.

The hoax is going around and has caught a few off guard. The Australian Radiation Services did not issue a fallout map that reaches the Western United States, including Canada.

There is not much to say about this other than it is a hoax. TWS has corrected and pulled the article.

http://ny-popculture-politics.blogspot.com/2011/03/japan-nuclear-fallout-map.html

Started out as a hoax , but is it now becoming a possibility?



Japan nuclear fallout map -- it started out as a hoax, but could it turn out to be true ? At least, as it concerns the direction of any fallout ?

I'm sorry but i don't have time to fully research this myself right now, but posting this for others to consider.

The above link has a lot of info and comments worth looking into ( IMO)

Blessings,

Astrid

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

The question is;
Can Michio Kaku be trusted?
What I have seen & heard of Michio Kaku suggests he is a government mouth piece.

For those of you who are worried about the reactor exploding in Japan should watch & research what your own government are doing to earth & space year in year out.

The below video doesn't include the last 13yrs
A Time-Lapse Map of Every Nuclear Explosion Since 1945 - by Isao Hashimoto

LLCF7vPanrY

[Hervé]

This is what I don't get:

1) On one hand there is an almost unanimous opinion in the alternative milieu that "they" are cultivating fear and "high" emotions to feed off of;

2) on the other hand "they" are playing it down (the real danger) not to scare the public at large...:confused:

Any discernment advice welcome...

Here is about the second point from Teakai:


One of my girlfriends got a phone call at around 7am this morning telling her that a certain person (with the same surname as my girlfriend) who was in Japan has radiation poisoning.

Radiation poisoning is indicative that radioactive isotopes are flying around. Same indication was assumed when the US air craft carrier helping with its copters was pulled out of the down wind area because its radio isotopes alarm system kept going off (so equipped because nuclear powered).

That simply means the real danger is not advertised (the meldown already occurred with radio active cloud starting to grow and spread) but "It's going to go 'BOOM'!" is yelled from (almost) every news roof.

In any case, I think the TSAs and any government agents should meditate at least 3 hours/day on this one:


5997

[Tuza]

I saw a young Japanese mother with two children on msm being checked for radiation poisoning, her 10 year old son was positive but the mother said she wasnt going to tell him. This I am sure was in Tokyo, so this is the problem of not letting people know.

[Mitsusproogi]

The radiation fallout map is a hoax. The map bears the symbol of the ARS. Australian Radiation Services.
http://www.australian-radiation-services.com.au/

For what it's worth, I live in Japan (Nagasaki) and thankfully we have been completely unaffected by this. Some of the news footage, videos and photographs I have seen are heartbreaking.

Edit: Sorry I didn't see that someone already mentioned it was a hoax.

[DawgBone]

Considering the constant seismic activity in Japan, nuclear reactors were a VERY BAD idea. This kind of thing was bound to happen eventually. I am amazed that an extremely bright people like the Japanese would put themselves in a situation like this.

My heart goes out to them.

[king anthony]

You haven't clearly expressed your thoughts, you did the same thing you always do. Ask 10 theoretical questions in a row followed by "!?"

I say, that while some understand some do not, thus how is it that I am responsible for the limits of either. I believe the topic of discussion in this thread is not about me.

[MorningSong]

Edit: oops double post!

Live stream from Japan can been seen here:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv

[MorningSong]

Live stream from Japan can be seen here:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv

[JoshERTW]

The danger is that within 10 days there would be a plume of fallout hitting the west coast of Canada and US - IF there is a full blown catastrophic meltdown. It would probably be enough that in 20 years we would see a spike in cancer rates in these areas (I would guess) - it would be dispersed significantly from the blast zone over 10 days, depending on wind speed/direction and half-life of the material in question (most of the country of Japan would be in deep trouble) but still enough of a concern to stock your system with potassium iodide I would think, which I believe is the stuff that protects from bioaccumulation of radioactive material by saturating your thyroid with non-radioactive material. On another thread there was a nurse who recommended dosage for saturation, I believe it was 10 pills a day for 10 days for adults, and 1 a day for 10 days for kids - you would probably wanna start taking doses as soon as an actual meltdown happened assuming the 10 day travel time.

That's what I know anyways, correct me if I'm wrong.

[Fred Steeves]

The question is;
Can Michio Kaku be trusted?
What I have seen & heard of Michio Kaku suggests he is a government mouth piece.



Yeah I'm with you on that one. Michio is most certainly a brilliant physicist, and I listen to his show on NPR from time to time, but his constant harping on man made global warming gives me serious doubts about which side his bread is buttered on. He's much too intelligent and informed to actually believe such nonsense. Reminds me of Glenn Beck, 80% hard truth combined with 20% totally deceiving flim flam...


Cheers,
Fred S.

[morgs59]

Frankly I would be wary if I lived in the US. In 1986 when things went bang in Russia everyone here in England carried on normally..well it was a couple of thousand miles away was the attitude why worry. No officials said anything,Govt didn't say anything. Much later we found out that there had been fall outs in various places, cows and sheep had eaten the grass. I had been drinking gallons of milk due to pregnancy..prob why my daughter turned out as she did ;). My point being ya can't believe em when they say anything as it is usually lies and you sure can't trust them when they say nothing at all.

[KosmicKat]

http://www.radiationnetwork.com/RadiationNetwork.htm
This will be very useful folks keep your eyes on it it updates itself every 3 minutes in real time,thats the best way i found for the people who live in the USA to keep track of the safe levels of radiation across the nation,save to your bookmark and lets pray together that nothing horrible comes out of this.

Hmmm? First I get a 404 Not Found error, then I get a 500 Internal Server error. I can only get to the truncated site http://www.radiationnetwork.com/ ?