Deadly wind in Japan, the mathematics

[Samson]

The radiationlevels are 8000 mSv according to this (Dutch) paper with an Englisch spoken video in it. http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/9268301/__Straling_bedreigt_Japan__.html?p=1,1
It becomes dangerous at about a million mSv is said, but that aint correct!

Radiationlevels are written in several ways but this is how they relate

1Sv = 100 rem, 1Gy = 100 rad
1 Rad = 1 roentgen = 1 Rem.
1 Sv = 1000 mSv (millisieverts)

8000 mSv is 8 Sv or 800 rem or 800 Rad
Being exposed to these radiationlevels for half an hour is deadly according to NATO. http://www.radmeters4u.com/ (halfway that page youll find the facts)
Firemen during Tsjernobyl desaster died from 7Sv radiation poisoning = 7000 mSv

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_poisoning

I hope i'm wrong, or that the msm is wrong but i think its wise to keep an eye on the radiation levels.

edit the video is found here now, and i was wrong because the reporter says microSv and not milliSv http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/video_buitenland/9269515/__Atoomramp_dreigt__.html?cid=short

[bashi]

Radiation levels shot up in Tokyo and its vicinity Tuesday following the nuclear accident at the ***ushima No. 1 nuclear power plant in northeastern Japan that was triggered by last week’s massive earthquake and subsequent tsunami, local governments said.

But those levels did not pose immediate danger to human health, the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology said.

In Tokyo, small amounts of radioactive substances, such as iodine and cesium, were detected, the metropolitan government said.

In Ibaraki Prefecture, adjacent to ***ushima Prefecture where the troubled ***ushima No. 1 nuclear power plant is located, the amount of radiation at one stage reached 5 microsievert per hour, 100 times higher than usual, the Ibaraki prefectural government said.

In Kanagawa Prefecture, the radiation level shot up 10 times higher than usual.

In Saitama, capital of Saitama Prefecture, the amount of radiation reached 1,222 nanosievert per hour — a figure about 40 times higher than usual.

In Ichihara, Chiba Prefecture, the amount of radiation showed a two- to four-fold increase, the Chiba prefectural government said.

The amount of radiation rose to 1.318 micro sievert per hour — a figure 33 times bigger than usual — in Tochigi Prefecture’s capital of Utsunomiya, the Tochigi prefectural government said.

The science ministry said it had asked prefectural governments to observe radiation levels as frequently as possible.

Meanwhile, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said the radiation level reached 400 millisievert per hour near the No. 3 reactor at the ***ushima No. 1 plant Tuesday morning. The amount is 400 times higher than the allowable limit for citizens in a year.

On Monday, the radiation level near the No. 3 reactor peaked at 3,130 microsievert or about 3 millisievert per hour.

source: http://greenworldinvestor.com/2011/03/15/nuclear-radiation-levels-and-effect-on-human-health-as-sieverts-increase-in-japan-what-you-need-to-know/

[MorningSong]

Live stream from Japan can be seen here:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv

[Samson]

"We are facing a worst-case scenario", according Hiraki Koide, senior reactor engineering specialist at the Research Reactor Institute Kyoto University. Reactor 2 is broken and that will lead to 'heavy melting' in the reactor. According Koide it seems that the situation in ***ushima is hopeless. "
"Under the best scenarios, this isn't going to end anytime soon"
What is happening now is called a "feed and bleed". Feed is pumping seawater in the reactor, that is going to boil, and gives radioactive steam, the steam pressure has to be released and is called the "bleed". The steam will get more and more radioactive...

Whats going to happen next is summarized here. http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/9736/Aardbeving-en-tsunami-Japan/article/detail/1235314/2011/03/14/NU-AL-DRIE-MELTDOWNS-JAPAN-PAS-AAN-BEGIN-LANGE-NUCLEAIRE-NACHTMERRIE.dhtml translated the title means "already 3 meltdowns, Japan only at the beginning of a nuclear nightmare"
and here http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/9736/Aardbeving-en-tsunami-Japan/article/detail/1235912/2011/03/15/Controlekamer-rampcentrale-niet-meer-toegankelijk-wegens-te-veel-straling.dhtml Its in Dutch but gives very detailed insights.

[Kimberley]

I am sharing this post from blake posted today in the "THAT WAS MASSIVE 9.1 in Japan (Tsunami) " thread as it applies here....

Please my friends Fear NOT!!! Envision what you want to see not what you do not want to see... yes keep your eyes open and look at all, however FEAR NOT!!!!!

Much love to us ALL!!! :love:


Hello All,

Concerning the issue of Radiation and the Nuclear Reactors in Japan, my money is always on this man's opinion.
He says at this time, the USA is still safe from nuclear fallout. Read below as he explains all.

Sincerely
Mr. Davis
3/15/11

I will address in this email 4 subjects.

1. The radiation levels in Japan
2. Jet Streams and radiation danger in the US.
3. Potassium Iodide and radiation protection
4. The Danger and effect of Meltdown

---------
1. The radiation levels in Japan

I have a direct watch on the situation in Japan.
Minute to minute reporting on the scene as it happens.

There has been a substantial increase
in the radiation
on some of the disaster sites.

Substantial for the location
but still insignificant
as far as the US is concerned.

Before -
reported levels were in the microsievert level
and now -
they are being reported in the millisievert level.
Millisievert levels are a thousand times higher
than microsievert levels.

Still
10 millisieverts = 1R (only)

Uh-oh.
I have just now lost my feed.
This is the first time today -
that this has happened.

The news was so important -
that the Prime Minister himself
came on to make the announcement -
and now it has been interrupted.

I don't know the significance of this.
Perhaps it will resume
before I finish typing.

Anyway - at one Japanese nuclear location
at one particular spot
readings of 10R (I did the conversion)
were reported.

This would be VERY serious
if you were experiencing that -
but you are here -
and that is there.

In point of fact -
the area surrounding that site
has been evacuated for 20 kilometers -
and for the area from 20 kilometers to 30 kilometers away
the people are being told to stay indoors.

Now further - regarding the significance of 10R.
A healthy adult male
could stay in the presence of that source
for 20 hours -
without experiencing noticeable effect.

Ahhh - my feed is back.

But again -
that is there -
and not here.

In fact if you were there -
you would have to be RIGHT there.

Most likely (almost certainly) if you were a distance
of a quarter mile from the location
that is 10R -
the radiation would then be less than 1R.

The effect of radiation reduces with distance.
Think of it as a light bulb.
If you are right next to a light bulb
you can read by it.
But if it is dark and you move a distance away from it
you soon don't get enough light to read.

If you are right next to a radiation source -
you can be 'burned' by it -
but the further away from it that you move -
the less 'burn' you will get from it.

This is all by analogy.
We don't usually use these exact words
in explaining radiation exposure.

--------
I am still irritated by the nebulous reporting
of the media.

Such as the radiation has doubled!
So what - if it was insignificantly low?

The New York Times
reported that sailors on a ship
that went nearby -
got as much radiation in two days -
as they would normally get in a month.

This means NOTHING!

The background cosmic radiation
that we all get in a month
is insignificant -
and the fact they got that much in two days -
means NOTHING!

In fact -
there are places in the US
where the radiation is more than ten times
NATURALLY higher -
than the sailors experienced.

Yet New York Times went on and on
about the decontamination procedures
that the sailors went through -
and so did the rest of the media.

It makes it out like it is something -
but it is NOTHING!

Likewise - pictures are shown of technicians
in frightening radiation suits
testing small children with radiation probes.

What nonsense!
The technicians don't need any protection -
even if the radiation level in the child's thyroid
(where they measure on the side of the neck)
has been raised by the Iodine 131 isotope.

Scare! Scare! Scare!
Drama! Drama! Drama!

Nothing! Nothing! Nothing!
Wait until you have a nuclear war -
and then you will have SOMETHING!
Try getting KI then.
Hah!

--------------
2. Jet Streams and radiation danger in the US.

Boy, or boy, or boy.
So much I hear about that.
Beautiful graphics.
Interactive sites.
Video and satellite updates.
Just a flood information.

Overwhelming and all irrelevant.
It just isn't going up into the air like that.
This is not a nuclear explosion.

Even the hydrogen explosions
(and that has nothing to do
with the likes of a hydrogen bomb)
are not taking the stuff up that high.

It is all little and local.
Even for the Japanese -
thirty miles out.
Certainly not coming across the Pacific.

Even the amounts that they are dealing with there -
are still peace time standards -
and all the thing we have been talking about
for years -
are wartime standards -
which is a thousand -
multi-thousand -
more radiation.

But -
the hysteria continues.
It is worse than
"The Martians are coming -
the Martians are coming."
or
"The Boogie Man is about to get you."

Suck it up folks.
This is not a threat.

----------
3. Potassium Iodide (KI) and radiation protection

Okay - maybe some good will come out of this -
and people will stock up on KI.

But you aren't going to need it now -
for this.

And there is a great amount of misunderstanding
about what KI does for you.

It simply protects you from one isotope.
Iodine 131.

That gets into particles in water and milk -
and if you consume it -
it can get into your thyroid.

After (during) a nuclear event -
THAT YOU ARE EXPOSED TO -
(not here - for what is going on
in some parts of Japan)
you need to take one dose of KI per day -
during when it is going on
and for thirty days after it ends -
and after that -
the radiation in the fallout is non-effective
because of the half-life of Iodine-131.

How KI works
is that it saturates your thyroid -
which will therefore not take up anymore iodine -
of any isotope -
and so anymore iodine in your system
is just expelled in the urine.

BUT -
there are lots of other kinds of radiation out there -
and in a nuclear war -
(or other catastrophic event)
there are only three defenses.

a. Shielding
(get in a shelter that will stop it).
If it is serious -
indoors and duct tape is not going to do it.

b. Distance
(move away from it)
In Japan they are recommending 30 miles.
In reality a mile is fine -
so long as it is in the right direction -
which means upwind -
rather than downwind -
but who knows which way the wind is going to blow.

And then if you are getting it from fallout -
the wind can blow it to you
most anywhere.

But - in this case -
not clear across the Pacific.
There is too little -
and it is too far.

c. Time
Radiation decays over time.
Some over a long time -
but most very quickly.

It takes time for radiation to be blown
from Japan to the US.
During that time -
it will become practically nothing.

---------
4. The Danger and effect of Meltdown

Yep - they have a problem.
There.
Not here.

China Syndrome -
Chernobyl -
Plutonium Disaster -

I have heard it all.

Number one - the generators are not going to blow up
like a nuclear weapon.

Number two -
while yes - the Japanese have a very serious problem -
it isn't coming here -
in great quantity -
no matter how badly it melts down.

Number three -
as I explained in the previous newsletter
the amount of Plutonium that this event will increase
the 'Plutonium burden' we all - already carry
is not that great.

Everyone breathing on this planet -
has absorbed some minute amounts of Plutonium already -
from the in atmospheric testing
that the US has done.

More and more of the stuff is being generated
all the time -
especially by the nuclear power plants -
and yes, that is a very immoral issue -
regarding the waste -
that we are imposing on future generations -
but the Japan thing -
is not changing the equation for you.

------------
So -
bottom line -
stay cool.

There are serious problems elsewhere -
that are going to affect you
much more than the Japan nuclear disasters.

The Tsunami itself created Japan's biggest problem.
On top of that -
the loss of nuclear power
has created a SERIOUS energy problem for them -
which they will try to rectify by buying oil -
and THAT is going to affect YOU.

The whole scene has diverted people's attention
from SERIOUS things that are happening -
in the world of
economics
international relations
monetary markets.

At the moment my minute to minute news in Japan
is showing their stock market off 12%.
That will also probably have an effect on Europe -
before the Markets open in the US tomorrow.

A great amount of military activity is going on -
as the US
the United Arab Emirates
and Saudi Arabia
get ready to intervene in Bahrain -
which certainly affects Iran -
and most people are not even aware of it.

Heads up!
Look at Oil---> Economy
Middle East---> Revolutions

More Bigger Better(???) earthquakes are coming.

Hold on to you hats.
This ride has just begun.

Don't sweat the small stuff.
Meltdowns, Jet Streams, KI, -
Hah!

You aint seen nothin yet.

But -
stay cool.
Get collected.
Enjoy the trip.
Armageddon - Earth Changes -
New World Cycles -
are something that do not happen -
even every millennium.

You are very privileged to get to see one.

Perhaps you feel like the guest of honor -
at the old western necktie party who said -
"If it weren't for the honor of it -
I would rather be somewhere else."

But -
you are on this planet -
and there is no getting off it - (for you)
alive.

Stay cool.
There are hotter places to go.


Peace and love,
Bruce
DawnSayer@webpal.org

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[TWINNICK]

Well thats torn it.

Now I won't need my reflective jacket when I ride my bike........................cause were all gona glow in the dark.

..Nick..

[jorr lundstrom]

Well thats torn it.

Now I won't need my reflective jacket when I ride my bike........................cause were all gona glow in the dark.

..Nick..

Yeah, thats the spirit. Always look on the bright side of life.:whoo:

[Fred259]

I am sharing this post from blake posted today in the "THAT WAS MASSIVE 9.1 in Japan (Tsunami) " thread as it applies here....

Please my friends Fear NOT!!! Envision what you want to see not what you do not want to see... yes keep your eyes open and look at all, however FEAR NOT!!!!!

Much love to us ALL!!! :love:


Hello All,

Concerning the issue of Radiation and the Nuclear Reactors in Japan, my money is always on this man's opinion.
He says at this time, the USA is still safe from nuclear fallout. Read below as he explains all.

Sincerely
Mr. Davis
3/15/11

I will address in this email 4 subjects.

1. The radiation levels in Japan
2. Jet Streams and radiation danger in the US.
3. Potassium Iodide and radiation protection
4. The Danger and effect of Meltdown

---------
1. The radiation levels in Japan

I have a direct watch on the situation in Japan.
Minute to minute reporting on the scene as it happens.

There has been a substantial increase
in the radiation
on some of the disaster sites.

Substantial for the location
but still insignificant
as far as the US is concerned.

Before -
reported levels were in the microsievert level
and now -
they are being reported in the millisievert level.
Millisievert levels are a thousand times higher
than microsievert levels.

Still
10 millisieverts = 1R (only)

Uh-oh.
I have just now lost my feed.
This is the first time today -
that this has happened.

The news was so important -
that the Prime Minister himself
came on to make the announcement -
and now it has been interrupted.

I don't know the significance of this.
Perhaps it will resume
before I finish typing.

Anyway - at one Japanese nuclear location
at one particular spot
readings of 10R (I did the conversion)
were reported.

This would be VERY serious
if you were experiencing that -
but you are here -
and that is there.

In point of fact -
the area surrounding that site
has been evacuated for 20 kilometers -
and for the area from 20 kilometers to 30 kilometers away
the people are being told to stay indoors.

Now further - regarding the significance of 10R.
A healthy adult male
could stay in the presence of that source
for 20 hours -
without experiencing noticeable effect.

Ahhh - my feed is back.

But again -
that is there -
and not here.

In fact if you were there -
you would have to be RIGHT there.

Most likely (almost certainly) if you were a distance
of a quarter mile from the location
that is 10R -
the radiation would then be less than 1R.

The effect of radiation reduces with distance.
Think of it as a light bulb.
If you are right next to a light bulb
you can read by it.
But if it is dark and you move a distance away from it
you soon don't get enough light to read.

If you are right next to a radiation source -
you can be 'burned' by it -
but the further away from it that you move -
the less 'burn' you will get from it.

This is all by analogy.
We don't usually use these exact words
in explaining radiation exposure.

--------
I am still irritated by the nebulous reporting
of the media.

Such as the radiation has doubled!
So what - if it was insignificantly low?

The New York Times
reported that sailors on a ship
that went nearby -
got as much radiation in two days -
as they would normally get in a month.

This means NOTHING!

The background cosmic radiation
that we all get in a month
is insignificant -
and the fact they got that much in two days -
means NOTHING!

In fact -
there are places in the US
where the radiation is more than ten times
NATURALLY higher -
than the sailors experienced.

Yet New York Times went on and on
about the decontamination procedures
that the sailors went through -
and so did the rest of the media.

It makes it out like it is something -
but it is NOTHING!

Likewise - pictures are shown of technicians
in frightening radiation suits
testing small children with radiation probes.

What nonsense!
The technicians don't need any protection -
even if the radiation level in the child's thyroid
(where they measure on the side of the neck)
has been raised by the Iodine 131 isotope.

Scare! Scare! Scare!
Drama! Drama! Drama!

Nothing! Nothing! Nothing!
Wait until you have a nuclear war -
and then you will have SOMETHING!
Try getting KI then.
Hah!

--------------
2. Jet Streams and radiation danger in the US.

Boy, or boy, or boy.
So much I hear about that.
Beautiful graphics.
Interactive sites.
Video and satellite updates.
Just a flood information.

Overwhelming and all irrelevant.
It just isn't going up into the air like that.
This is not a nuclear explosion.

Even the hydrogen explosions
(and that has nothing to do
with the likes of a hydrogen bomb)
are not taking the stuff up that high.

It is all little and local.
Even for the Japanese -
thirty miles out.
Certainly not coming across the Pacific.

Even the amounts that they are dealing with there -
are still peace time standards -
and all the thing we have been talking about
for years -
are wartime standards -
which is a thousand -
multi-thousand -
more radiation.

But -
the hysteria continues.
It is worse than
"The Martians are coming -
the Martians are coming."
or
"The Boogie Man is about to get you."

Suck it up folks.
This is not a threat.

----------
3. Potassium Iodide (KI) and radiation protection

Okay - maybe some good will come out of this -
and people will stock up on KI.

But you aren't going to need it now -
for this.

And there is a great amount of misunderstanding
about what KI does for you.

It simply protects you from one isotope.
Iodine 131.

That gets into particles in water and milk -
and if you consume it -
it can get into your thyroid.

After (during) a nuclear event -
THAT YOU ARE EXPOSED TO -
(not here - for what is going on
in some parts of Japan)
you need to take one dose of KI per day -
during when it is going on
and for thirty days after it ends -
and after that -
the radiation in the fallout is non-effective
because of the half-life of Iodine-131.

How KI works
is that it saturates your thyroid -
which will therefore not take up anymore iodine -
of any isotope -
and so anymore iodine in your system
is just expelled in the urine.

BUT -
there are lots of other kinds of radiation out there -
and in a nuclear war -
(or other catastrophic event)
there are only three defenses.

a. Shielding
(get in a shelter that will stop it).
If it is serious -
indoors and duct tape is not going to do it.

b. Distance
(move away from it)
In Japan they are recommending 30 miles.
In reality a mile is fine -
so long as it is in the right direction -
which means upwind -
rather than downwind -
but who knows which way the wind is going to blow.

And then if you are getting it from fallout -
the wind can blow it to you
most anywhere.

But - in this case -
not clear across the Pacific.
There is too little -
and it is too far.

c. Time
Radiation decays over time.
Some over a long time -
but most very quickly.

It takes time for radiation to be blown
from Japan to the US.
During that time -
it will become practically nothing.

---------
4. The Danger and effect of Meltdown

Yep - they have a problem.
There.
Not here.

China Syndrome -
Chernobyl -
Plutonium Disaster -

I have heard it all.

Number one - the generators are not going to blow up
like a nuclear weapon.

Number two -
while yes - the Japanese have a very serious problem -
it isn't coming here -
in great quantity -
no matter how badly it melts down.

Number three -
as I explained in the previous newsletter
the amount of Plutonium that this event will increase
the 'Plutonium burden' we all - already carry
is not that great.

Everyone breathing on this planet -
has absorbed some minute amounts of Plutonium already -
from the in atmospheric testing
that the US has done.

More and more of the stuff is being generated
all the time -
especially by the nuclear power plants -
and yes, that is a very immoral issue -
regarding the waste -
that we are imposing on future generations -
but the Japan thing -
is not changing the equation for you.

------------
So -
bottom line -
stay cool.

There are serious problems elsewhere -
that are going to affect you
much more than the Japan nuclear disasters.

The Tsunami itself created Japan's biggest problem.
On top of that -
the loss of nuclear power
has created a SERIOUS energy problem for them -
which they will try to rectify by buying oil -
and THAT is going to affect YOU.

The whole scene has diverted people's attention
from SERIOUS things that are happening -
in the world of
economics
international relations
monetary markets.

At the moment my minute to minute news in Japan
is showing their stock market off 12%.
That will also probably have an effect on Europe -
before the Markets open in the US tomorrow.

A great amount of military activity is going on -
as the US
the United Arab Emirates
and Saudi Arabia
get ready to intervene in Bahrain -
which certainly affects Iran -
and most people are not even aware of it.

Heads up!
Look at Oil---> Economy
Middle East---> Revolutions

More Bigger Better(???) earthquakes are coming.

Hold on to you hats.
This ride has just begun.

Don't sweat the small stuff.
Meltdowns, Jet Streams, KI, -
Hah!

You aint seen nothin yet.

But -
stay cool.
Get collected.
Enjoy the trip.
Armageddon - Earth Changes -
New World Cycles -
are something that do not happen -
even every millennium.

You are very privileged to get to see one.

Perhaps you feel like the guest of honor -
at the old western necktie party who said -
"If it weren't for the honor of it -
I would rather be somewhere else."

But -
you are on this planet -
and there is no getting off it - (for you)
alive.

Stay cool.
There are hotter places to go.


Peace and love,
Bruce
DawnSayer@webpal.org

_______________________________________________
Arktwo mailing list
Arktwo@mail.pairowoodies.com
http://www.webpal.org/SAFE/

Great Girl Kimberley, you are quite right you tell them… They have moved the residents 30km back as a precaution. The average American in central US, Kansas for example is 6000km for Japan. It’s a problem in Japan, but not in Kansas.

This reminds me of a post that Bill prepared about the Gulf Oil spill last summer. Yes oil leaked into the gulf and caused mayhem. America went wild, but as Bill pointed out the oil has been leaking into the Niger Delta in Nigeria for the last forty years (no typo) yet America is silent about this. It’s strange isn’t it.

[Samson]

Don't sweat the small stuff.Meltdowns, Jet Streams, KI, - Hah! We aint seen nothin yet! and Japan is the other end of the world, would summarize blake right i guess.
He writes; Armageddon - Earth Changes -New World Cycles -are something that do not happen -even every millennium. You are very privileged to get to see one.

Their problem is there and not here as blake puts it, but it is our problem as well imo. Finding out what those levels of radiation mean, and what is gonne happen next was important for me and concerns us all. Playing this disaster down to something of no importance while 3,500 km around the plant are going to be radiated and billions of ppls lives are going to be affected if this 'feed and bleed' unfolds as expected... i dont like that at all. It has nothing to do with fear or what i do or dont want to envision.

[Janos]

Live Tokyo Geiger Counter feed:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/geiger-counter-tokyo

Radiation basics:

http://hps.org/publicinformation/ate...radiation.html

cpm = counts per minute.

When I started looking at the above feed it was 16.49. It's now 16.65, so it's slowly increasing.

[Samson]

400 cpm = 0.1 mR/hr
Correct me if im wrong but 15 to 30 cpm is normal, it is 300 or more in planes according to this story http://www.ratical.org/radiation/radMonData.html

cpm is 17,57 now on the Live Tokyo Geiger Counter feed So no worries ( jet)

[Samson]

Fukushima is it a dirty word? Edit; not anymore it seems.

A very good question that came up today on Argusoog was
Why are all earthquakes today on 10 km depth? Suggesting it was HAARP.

There is no fact in it sofar... but quakes are on average on 30km depth...till recent.
Now they are all on 10 km depth... Right?