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justalight
15th March 2011, 23:46
Good evening to you all,
I am quite new to the avalon forum and this is the first thread I start, so I hope I you can all seel the pictures. This picture is a part of a very old crest like artwork that was done long time ago, I think in the 17th or 18th time around. I own this picture a long time now. Everytime I have a look at the picture I am asking me what do I see. So please, maybe you can help me and tell me what you see and how you would define the signs. Maybe this kind of artwork was common in that time of creation, but however this allways got my attention.
Thank you so much for your help!

So this is picture 1:
http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/5084/44581915.jpg



This is picture 2, just cut out a part of the photo and turned it 180°
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/931/62306125.jpg

HURRITT ENYETO
15th March 2011, 23:49
I get a threat detected malicious URL when i visit the link ?

Edit:
It could just be my machine.

astrid
15th March 2011, 23:50
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11918-How-to-post-images-from-your-computer

no questions, your picture is not showing.

Go to the above link for instructions on how to add images from your hard drive.

If you still have problems , please Pm me , or a Mod for assistance.

Welcome to Avalon!

Blessings,

Astrid

justalight
15th March 2011, 23:52
Sorry, uploaded the pictures wo imageshack, is there anything wrong with it?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Thank you astrid, I try ...

HURRITT ENYETO
15th March 2011, 23:59
http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/5084/44581915.jpg

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/931/62306125.jpg
I have put the first up for you :)

justalight
16th March 2011, 00:02
Thank you so much for posting the two pictures.

@ Astrid, I tried to manage it but I have simply no attachements menue, when I tried to follow the instructions, maybe it is all about firefox??? Thank you anyway for your help.

Some more information on this pictures:
Long time ago, I was invited several times to a very old castle, there was a very huge hall like a reception room in large scale. This castle was fully packed with artifacts, fine artwork and symbols. It was owned by one of the most influential families (merowinger blooline) in Germany. Up to now this crest part is somehow still a riddle.

HURRITT ENYETO
16th March 2011, 00:12
That is interesting,
Do you have any other information about it?
Is it a Family Crest? or is it a picture ie water colour?

justalight
16th March 2011, 00:24
A have also a picture showing the full crest (wrote some more information in the post above yours. This crest was huge like 3 meters x 3 meters made out of plaster and coloured, they restored it some years ago. It was put on the ceiling of the big reception room. I have so many more pictures of all the symbols and artwork. Nobody noticed me doing them. I was a guest several times in this castle and slept also there in one of the guests suites. The family who owned it was very mysterious. They have artwork done by Leonardo d.V. and others there, one is more interesting than the other. This family is connected with the merowingian bloodline and very powerfull. Their son was one of my best friends for years, but then I figured to much out.... and broke up connection, got me in a mess, however, this was a tough time for me.

justalight
16th March 2011, 00:28
http://img228.imageshack.us/i/57507645.jpg/

This is the link to the full picture of the old crest made plaster in the reception hall. I put it on imageshack. Unfortunately your instructions did not work Astrid. Maybe its because of my computer or browser. I am not good at tech stuff.

justalight
16th March 2011, 00:44
Hope the picture is now showing up.

justalight
16th March 2011, 00:50
Loved also this glas painting by albrecht duerer around 1500 - was one of my favourite artworks in this palace like castle. The symbols and information in this glaspainting is really great.

HURRITT ENYETO
16th March 2011, 00:59
Thanks for those, it is late here in the uk but i will take a closer look tomorrow. :)

cheers

Hurritt

justalight
16th March 2011, 01:08
Thank you so much Hurritt!

KosmicKat
16th March 2011, 01:09
The crest is an odd one; I have a vague recollection of seeing similar tassels in connection with a cardinal, the crook and sword suggest perhaps church militant? But the cross over the crown (thinking of something else when seeing the shape inverted!) looks more like Eastern orthodox symbology. The glass painting, all I can offer is St.Jerome in his study.

justalight
16th March 2011, 01:35
Thank you very much KosmicKat, just researched on St. Jerome and Duerer, seems to be his 1514 artwork "St. Jerome in his study"

The crest really got me thinking a lot, the shape inverted really looks very very odd, I agree. First thought of a bone but this really does not make sense. When I turned it around I allway thought of Crowley, won't like to go into detail but it is said that he has a ... on his fireplace and did prayers once a day in front of the ... . But this crest is so old, never have thought about this kind of symbol in such a crest done at this time. To be honest when inverted the end of the cross looks like a chastity device in the dark ages around ...

The interpretation of the cross in this context reminds me of the base chakra, like a connection to earth or an antenna turned to earth leading into this connected device at the end on the cross.

Thank you again for your information !

azure
16th March 2011, 02:00
The cross looks like the double cross frequently associated with bloodlines, too.

The HoppyBunny
16th March 2011, 02:31
i am not a historian, but i have studied art, and what you show does seem pretty,"mystical" i wish i understood the elements to these sort of symbolism, they seem pretty profound.. if you later need more help. i do know of a couple of people who have studied, and have connections to art historians, dont know if that'l help much =/.

bluestflame
16th March 2011, 03:12
the interconnected triangles could symbolise the closeknit family tree and the intermarrying of couples of the bloodline

lines originating "form above" thier full origins unseen, veiled

one line bearing more intellect, intelligence , as symbolised by the sword n the right that the line symbolically weaves around

I can't quite make out the left symbol ...would indicte another quality

gigha
16th March 2011, 04:18
Hope the picture is now showing up.

It looks to me that the hole package is going to be sucked into the white circle.

My first wife had a silver cross just like that one. She was from Mystras Greece.

She was from a very old Greek family. They came from the mountain in Mystras.

TimelessDimensions
16th March 2011, 11:50
Looks like symbols of the masculine and feminine

Why do you think the knight's templar's cross was white and red?

chelmostef
16th March 2011, 13:01
The double cross is a Patriarchal Cross -

http://www.freecrosses.com/types_2.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchal_cross

Looks like a varation of this - Roman Catholic metropolitan archbishop's coat of arms

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Arcbishoppallium.png

Athough it is some what different some aspects

chelmostef
16th March 2011, 13:24
The cross in the middle is st Georges cross,

Found this guy with similar garments he is a Kent Templar.

http://www.kent-templars.info/

http://www.kent-templars.info/pictures/prov-prior.gif

The is quite a lot of symbols to link together in your emblem

chelmostef
16th March 2011, 13:44
The sickle in your emblem is also in this coat of arms -

http://www.kent-templars.info/402/402_index.php

So I am assuming that the family is linked to the knights Templar... But I am no historian just linking the emblems... The coat of arms of your friends family will be unique to them and it will show their ancestry with heraldry.

If you imagine in days gone by someone could roll up somewhere with their coat of arms and you would know if they are family and whether they are connected or not.

There is a lot of information in your emblem its deciphering the code of the ancestry and heraldry, its quite a coat of arms and I would think they were very wealthy and large land owners.


Edit to add- If you look at the tassels in the emblems then look at the knight I posted you will see a similarity in the tassels and how they are worn...

chelmostef
16th March 2011, 14:29
Merovingian family I asume were of the Knight Templar order. They were also very large land owners -

http://wapedia.mobi/thumb/4176501/en/max/1440/1800/Merovingian_dynasty.jpg?format=jpg%2Cpng%2Cgif&ctf=0?format=jpg,png,gif&loadexternal=1

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Merovingian_dynasty

Edit to add-
They were sometimes referred to as the "long-haired kings"

Ha Ha, Bloody hippies... I dont suppose your friend had long hair, might be becouse of his ancestory!

justalight
16th March 2011, 19:17
Edit to add-
They were sometimes referred to as the "long-haired kings"

Edit to add-
Ha Ha, Bloody hippies... I dont suppose your friend had long hair, might be becouse of his ancestory!

Thank you so much for your help and input chelmostef, now comes something funny, yes he has long hair although it does not look to good with a suit. He won't cut it for any reason ...

justalight
16th March 2011, 19:23
@ The HoppyBunny: Thank you so much for your offer! Do you have any idea where I can look up artwork, that is missed or unknown or has been lost during the second worldwar? I've been researching but never found a database in the internet .. thank you again for your wonderful assistance!

str8thinker
16th March 2011, 19:30
the double bar cross suggests an Orthodox Greek or Russian heritage.

justalight
16th March 2011, 19:31
It looks to me that the hole package is going to be sucked into the white circle.

This seams to be an ideat I have never thought of.

I know a lot about this family, not quite sure if they like it?!?!... but anyhow I know a lot ... I really agree gigha, it seams that the whole design is going to be sucked into the white circle. In consideration of my knowledge of this family, I mean this might sound stupid ... this crest is definitely very very old, I know there have been ufos on paintings and artwork since ever, but a very creative guess ... could it be that the circle where it all is soken in looks like a ufo ??? Like the whole family is in contact, controled, was invited .... whatever by this symbol like ufo ????

I know this sounds very odd and is a very creative guess, but anyway ...

KosmicKat
16th March 2011, 19:37
The sickle in your emblem is also in this coat of arms...
Minor but important detail; I don't think it's a sickle (see the Soviet Union hammer and sickle for an example) but probably a shepherd's crook, typical emblem of a bishop (sometimes called a crozier in ecclesiastical terminology).
http://imagecache6.allposters.com/LRG/40/4005/1UEWF00Z.jpghttp://www.stnicholascenter.org/stnic/images/prop-crozier.jpghttp://www.anglicantaonga.org.nz/var/taonga/storage/images/news/tikanga-pakeha/kelvin-s-installation/the-bishop-s-new-crozier-was-designed-and-carved-by-hugh-prebble-of-oamaru/15827-1-eng-AU/The-Bishop-s-new-crozier-was-designed-and-carved-by-Hugh-Prebble-of-Oamaru_articleimage.jpg
Won't help much to clarify the question, but might help somebody searching.

HURRITT ENYETO
16th March 2011, 20:34
I believe the middle of the Crest depicts a medieval headdress, that of a Nobel, and was probably worn by a church dignatary (see below for examples) I know they are bad examples but you get what im saying :)
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5IKaOvI1KNhBPEoJeWFSGE4e-dBNG5fcTL0siZDxtDU-FYd9U
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRhMcTS5puBxOir6Jvle2DJJ_97t1KNTME4A99BOURTBUu4AGMR
Several features of this picture appear to me to be very feminine,
The circular design at the very top of the crest i think is the way fine Silks etc. were draped for example, in bed chambers above 4 poster beds in medieval times suspended from a loop, and denotes the wealth of the family.
Some very good points have been made earlier in the thread and i know very little about this topic but these are just things that jumped out at me.

The Sword and the Staff i think may be a statement of the Churches power and righteousnesses as this is the main theme (religion).

Just a few ideas *probably completely wrong*

http://www.stnicholascenter.org/stnic/images/prop-crozier.jpg

ps the person that lived at the Castle...it wasnt the Riddler was it....:)

cheers

Hurritt

bodixa
16th March 2011, 21:06
That's the cross of Lorraine!!



Anyway, cross of Lorraine.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Lorraine

it's all over the place. It ended up in all sorts of weird places.

If you're a Take That fan it also occurs on their logo . LOL
But Gary Barlow was on the Edgeware Road Train on 7/7

I think I've lost it.

;)




Good evening to you all,
I am quite new to the avalon forum and this is the first thread I start, so I hope I you can all seel the pictures. This picture is a part of a very old crest like artwork that was done long time ago, I think in the 17th or 18th time around. I own this picture a long time now. Everytime I have a look at the picture I am asking me what do I see. So please, maybe you can help me and tell me what you see and how you would define the signs. Maybe this kind of artwork was common in that time of creation, but however this allways got my attention.
Thank you so much for your help!

So this is picture 1:
http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/5084/44581915.jpg



This is picture 2, just cut out a part of the photo and turned it 180°
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/931/62306125.jpg

GlassSteagallfan
16th March 2011, 21:28
How about this one during the reign of the Reptilians:

http://www.wga.hu/art/h/heyden_p/luxuria.jpg

bodixa
16th March 2011, 21:33
Where did you get that Glass?

"Lechery stinks, it is dirty. It breaks man's powers and weakens limbs"

The Seven Vices - Lust,


Source:


Bruegel, Lust (Luxruia). Engraving by Pieter van der Heyden, engraver's monogram lower centre. 225 x 296 mm. Inscribed lower left: bureghel. Inuentor //H. Cock. excu. cu. priui.; underneath the allegorical figure: LVXVRIA: on the lower margin, in Latin: LVXVRIA ENERVAT VIRES, EFFOEMINAT ARTVS (Lust enervates the strength, weakens the limbs), and in Flemish: Luxurye stinckt, sy is vol onsuuerheden Sy breeckt die Crachten, en sy swackt die leden (Lechery stinks, it is dirty. It breaks the strength and weakens limbs).


About the artist: Pieter Bruegel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_Bruegel_the_Elde (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_Bruegel_the_Elde)r

Lifesong
17th March 2011, 15:32
The Roycroft Legacy (http://antiquesandthearts.com/CS-2006-02-14-07-25-28p1.htm)

"This is more than just a parade of books or a parade of furniture. It's the story of an era," says Erin Coe, curator at the Hyde Collection, about the current exhibition "Live, Love, Work: The Roycroft Legacy."

http://antiquesandthearts.com/Archives/2006/02-February/Images/2006-02-14-07-25-28Image2.GIF

The Roycroft logo is a double cross-topped orb containing an "R." Although the "R" underwent variation, this one is used to date pieces produced 1906 to 1910.

The Roycroft name has two meanings, according to Bill Menshon, facilities manager and acknowledged Roycroft expert at the Burchfield-Penny Art Center at Buffalo State College, the lending institution for the Hyde Collection show. "Roycroft is an old term that meant the quality of something was good enough for the king. It's also a nod to the Roycroft brothers, who were Fifteenth or Sixteenth Century book makers in Europe," he said.

For Roycroft Men Art is a Matter of Haircut (http://roycroftcampuscorporation.typepad.com/roycroftcampuscorporation/original_roycrofters/)

Original Roycrofters, according to the Farrar Sisters (http://roycroftcampuscorporation.typepad.com/roycroftcampuscorporation/2010/03/original-roycrofters-according-to-the-farrar-sisters.html)

Following is an excerpt from The Book of the Roycroft, published by the Roycroft in 1907, ... This section of the book was titled "A Little Journey to East Aurora"


“. . . to a great degree the best people now at the Roycroft Shop are those with a tortuous past.

“Some have seen the inside of courtrooms, from the criminal dock; others are quite familiar with bankruptcy proceedings, and it almost seems as if all of them had at some time slipped or stumbled; but if they fell, they got up again, and now surely are going bravely forward. Then there are the blind, the deaf, and now and then the mental defective - but all at work, busy, happy - losing themselves in useful effort.

“. . . Things only happen when some strong man makes them. We think the real achievement of Elbert Hubbard has been in securing, and to a great degree in educating excellent, earnest people, and then keeping them at work together, happy and harmonious.”

chelmostef
17th March 2011, 16:04
Minor but important detail; I don't think it's a sickle (see the Soviet Union hammer and sickle for an example) but probably a shepherd's crook, typical emblem of a bishop (sometimes called a crozier in ecclesiastical terminology).

Thanks Kosmic I wondered what it was called, I notice the one in the emblem is made out of somthing.. Dont know what it is in reference too.

bashi
17th March 2011, 18:07
Hi, no questions.

My take on your pictures:

Dürer
How about: Gods light shines through the window and enters through the top of the head…

Strange lamp/vessel…

The lion should have the colour of the book….

3 circular lights under the table? Your turn…


Crest:

Looks like a key to me. THE key?


http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5432/rc01.png (http://img822.imageshack.us/i/rc01.png/)




The ring is not an UFO, but the Ourboro, the cycle of creation and destruction.


http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2198/rc02.png (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/rc02.png/)


The top is the crowned head of the snake, like this for example:


http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/4241/23433792.jpg (http://img845.imageshack.us/i/23433792.jpg/)



The wand/ stick:


http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/291/rc03.png (http://img816.imageshack.us/i/rc03.png/)


And the Lord said unto him [Moses], What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod. And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it.
And the Lord said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand and caught it and it became a rod in his hand. Exodus 4:2-4
And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and
set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one
that is bitten [by a sepent], when he looketh upon it, shall live...
Numbers 21:8.


It can also symbolise the spine...

.

Heartsong
18th March 2011, 00:17
Similar pictures. It is a crown (see bottom row center)with an over sized cross. I don't know what it means.

Hervé
18th March 2011, 00:36
Hello there!

Check out this one on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Lorraine

The article will give you a bunch of other links to follow as well.

Good hunt!

KosmicKat
18th March 2011, 01:10
The circular design at the very top of the crest i think is the way fine Silks etc. were draped for example, in bed chambers above 4 poster beds in medieval times suspended from a loop, and denotes the wealth of the family.

Good point. It might be nothing more than the artist's personal taste, but in heraldry, one should be very cautious about dismissing anything as an irrelevant detail. Canopies like this were used over beds, pulpits and IIRC, couples getting married, at various times; if my knowledge of the symbolism were more complete I might be able to say with confidence something about protection ... .

GlassSteagallfan
18th March 2011, 01:29
Where did you get that Glass?

"Lechery stinks, it is dirty. It breaks man's powers and weakens limbs"

The Seven Vices - Lust,


Source:


Bruegel, Lust (Luxruia). Engraving by Pieter van der Heyden, engraver's monogram lower centre. 225 x 296 mm. Inscribed lower left: bureghel. Inuentor //H. Cock. excu. cu. priui.; underneath the allegorical figure: LVXVRIA: on the lower margin, in Latin: LVXVRIA ENERVAT VIRES, EFFOEMINAT ARTVS (Lust enervates the strength, weakens the limbs), and in Flemish: Luxurye stinckt, sy is vol onsuuerheden Sy breeckt die Crachten, en sy swackt die leden (Lechery stinks, it is dirty. It breaks the strength and weakens limbs).


About the artist: Pieter Bruegel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_Bruegel_the_Elde (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_Bruegel_the_Elde)r

Thanks for the info bod...
Never knew what the words meant. To me, this picture was early in the human genetic experiment when the lizards ran everything. Humans were pets to them.

Lifesong
18th March 2011, 23:41
This probably has nothing to do with anything, but I knew I'd seen that cross somewhere besides in church before.

It's part of the alchemical symbol for sulfur or brimstone.

http://symboldictionary.net/library/graphics/symbols/sulfur.jpg

A symbol for the alchemical element Sulfur, (Brimstone) which is spiritually analogous to the human soul. Alchemical drawings often portray Sulfur as the sun. (In some views, sulfur and salt are the parents of Mercury) ... The symbol of sulfur is often used as an identifying symbol by Satanists, due to sulphur’s historical asociation with the devil.

http://symboldictionary.net/?p=1080

Lifesong
19th March 2011, 02:47
I'm a little curious about keys right now too, so I thought these were interesting. Probably not related to the key on OP's picture though.

http://symboldictionary.net/library/graphics/symbols/glossarypeterkeys2.jpg
Zurvan with the “Keys of Time”

http://symboldictionary.net/library/graphics/symbols/glossarypopekeys.jpg
The keys as an emblem of Papal authority


These are from the Keys of St. Peter (http://symboldictionary.net/?p=2954) page at the Symbol Dictionary.

justalight
19th March 2011, 22:59
Hi, no questions.

My take on your pictures:

Dürer
How about: Gods light shines through the window and enters through the top of the head…

Strange lamp/vessel…

The lion should have the colour of the book….

3 circular lights under the table? Your turn…


Crest:

Looks like a key to me. THE key?


http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5432/rc01.png (http://img822.imageshack.us/i/rc01.png/)




The ring is not an UFO, but the Ourboro, the cycle of creation and destruction.


http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2198/rc02.png (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/rc02.png/)


The top is the crowned head of the snake, like this for example:


http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/4241/23433792.jpg (http://img845.imageshack.us/i/23433792.jpg/)



The wand/ stick:


http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/291/rc03.png (http://img816.imageshack.us/i/rc03.png/)


And the Lord said unto him [Moses], What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod. And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it.
And the Lord said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand and caught it and it became a rod in his hand. Exodus 4:2-4
And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and
set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one
that is bitten [by a sepent], when he looketh upon it, shall live...
Numbers 21:8.


It can also symbolise the spine...

.

Wow bashi, great eye on details, thank you very much for your fantastic input !!!

justalight
19th March 2011, 23:05
The circular design at the very top of the crest i think is the way fine Silks etc. were draped for example, in bed chambers above 4 poster beds in medieval times suspended from a loop, and denotes the wealth of the family.

Good point. It might be nothing more than the artist's personal taste, but in heraldry, one should be very cautious about dismissing anything as an irrelevant detail. Canopies like this were used over beds, pulpits and IIRC, couples getting married, at various times; if my knowledge of the symbolism were more complete I might be able to say with confidence something about protection ... .

Thank you KosmicKat, maybe the sorrounding where this very large Crest was put inside the palace / caste is of importance. This crest was set up by the artist at the ceiling of the most important room within the building. He put it at the ceiling of the ballroom like room, the largest in the whole building. This room is like 350-400 sqm large and a kind of reception hall, maybe a place where you assemble.

justalight
19th March 2011, 23:09
This artwork was put near the crest, it looks like a scene with Merlin ... anyway a nice riddle ... like it a lot !

lightblue
19th March 2011, 23:20
.
no questions, could you interpret your avatar?

not sure what it is exactly..german school, yes, don't think it's durer, tough it looks it at first glance.. might be one of durer's school...possibly painted after durer's etching....but what is the story in the picture? thanks l


.

bashi
20th March 2011, 06:56
This artwork was put near the crest, it looks like a scene with Merlin ... anyway a nice riddle ... like it a lot !

Do you have a better picture of it?
It is not centred, so the right side is difficult to see.

Sierra
20th March 2011, 08:35
Course correction ...

lightblue
20th March 2011, 12:25
bashi
Do you have a better picture of it?
It is not centred, so the right side is difficult to see.

i don't think there's need.. the painting represents st jerome ..having a better view would help in determening who's it by - most probably the venetian school, (or its replica) though i do not know who's it by exactly..

anyways, the subjest of the painting is obviously st jermen - there are many similar representations of the saint, like this one by one of bellini brothers:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Giovanni_Bellini_St_Jerome_Reading_in_the_Countryside.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome

and here's the original durer's etching of st jermen as "brutalised" by 'no questions' choice of avatars (sorry but i do think this is someone's crude attempt to emulate durer) :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/D%C3%BCrer-Hieronymus-im-Geh%C3%A4us.jpg/300px-D%C3%BCrer-Hieronymus-im-Geh%C3%A4us.jpg


another durer's work, his self prtrait as st jerome, similar to the background representation of "st jeremen in his study"..:

http://images.suite101.com/1950428_com_477pxalbre.jpg

another durer's st jermen - often represented with lion at his foot:

http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/upload/img_100/N-6563-00-000022-WZ.jpg

.

anyway, no question - all this makes me think you might know more than you are letting us know...i think you are on about st jerome..don't know where your interest stems from..

i still would like to know where did you get your avatar from, who is it by? who filled the black and whites with paint?


best wishes :wink: l

.edit to add

my apologies no questions, i totally missed your post #11 of this thread..there, you are giving an answer to my quiestion about your avatar...i now see it's a glass painting...though you do say it is by durer i would like you to confirm and reference it...durer didn't make himself famous for glass paintings, i'd just like to know if i am wrong....thanks l


.

bashi
20th March 2011, 19:39
Wow bashi, great eye on details, thank you very much for your fantastic input !!!

You got a PM, a Personal Message, which you can access by clicking on the top right side under "Notifications"; beside the log-in button...

justalight
20th March 2011, 23:29
@ bashi: unfortunately not, had a run with photoshop didn't help ... due to it is an oil painting had too much reflexes on the pic, so I did the photo from the side .. the other ones all got out black.

justalight
20th March 2011, 23:50
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no questions, could you interpret your avatar?

not sure what it is exactly..german school, yes, don't think it's durer, tough it looks it at first glance.. might be one of durer's school...possibly painted after durer's etching....but what is the story in the picture? thanks l


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Thank you for that question, it is a Dürer original glas etching / painting, that was done before the print shown within the thread (I know it is not a print in German it is called "Radierung" right now I have no idea what it's called in English). So this glas painting was the source for all the other artworks with this theme by Dürer. It seems to be the only variation in colour on glas. Due to a very bad picture I have made it looks somehow strange.

The picture shown here is the original one. One of my friends got plenty more of Dürers original artwork in form of glas paintings / etchings.

My avatar is meant more in an ironic way (is ironic the right word???) it reminds me allways not to believe only in the written word. See behind the curtain and find the truth yourself ... study ... think ... and the truth will come to you like a miracle, all by itself.

justalight
20th March 2011, 23:51
ahh, thank you bashi !

lightblue
21st March 2011, 01:53
Thank you for that question, it is a Dürer original glas etching / painting, that was done before the print shown within the thread (I know it is not a print in German it is called "Radierung" right now I have no idea what it's called in English). So this glas painting was the source for all the other artworks with this theme by Dürer. It seems to be the only variation in colour on glas. Due to a very bad picture I have made it looks somehow strange.

The picture shown here is the original one. One of my friends got plenty more of Dürers original artwork in form of glas paintings / etchings.

My avatar is meant more in an ironic way (is ironic the right word???) it reminds me allways not to believe only in the written word. See behind the curtain and find the truth yourself ... study ... think ... and the truth will come to you like a miracle, all by itself


sorry to insist and i do not mean anything bad, only i still believe your friends family must have catalogued somewhere their priceless collection - if for no other, then for insurance purposes..please do not tell me these pieces go un-insured... i would find that hard to believe..


could you please reference historical period in which durer did glass paintings?
if you do not find it in available literature, maybe you've heard it through your friend's family..i would really liike to know..

thanks :) l .