Project Serpo (aka Project Crystal Knight): the whole story

[str8thinker]

http://www.cosmographica.com/gallery/portfolio2007/content/bin/images/large/081_BinarySun.jpg
Binary Sun, by Don Dixon (1968-2007)

Surprisingly, there doesn't seem to be much (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4882) in this forum on this topic. I say surprisingly because, as many of you know, Bill Ryan was closely involved with investigating Project Serpo a few years ago, and at one stage was even the webmaster for the serpo.org website before moving on. Maybe it isn't that surprising since information on Serpo seems to have dried up, thanks to the PTB. But its legacy remains.

It was Project Serpo that first awakened my interest in the depth of the rabbit hole in which I now find myself. How could a government successfully manage to deny the existence of an exchange program between extraterrestrials and humans, between two planets about forty light years apart?

Project Serpo was recently mentioned in a post by Heise in the PA thread What's wrong with ATS? and responded to by Bill Ryan, who said (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16497-What-s-wrong-with-ATS&p=177317&viewfull=1#post177317)


Well, this really needs a new thread in itself.Well, here it is! :)

Bill went on to say, in a later post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16497-What-s-wrong-with-ATS&p=177422&viewfull=1#post177422):


Yes, fully understood. It was a highly complex story (even more complex than the 'Charles material' ) and Victor Martinez, Kerry and I are probably the only people who understood the bulk of what happened. (Victor knows more than anyone, and he is sworn to secrecy about quite a lot of stuff.)So here is the background to Project Serpo for those of you unfamiliar with it.


The history (abridged from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Serpo#Serpo)) is basically this:


Project Serpo is the name of an alleged top-secret exchange program between the United States government and an alien planet called Serpo.

The first mention of a 'Project Serpo' was in a UFO email list maintained by enthusiast Victor Martinez. Various versions of the conspiracy theory circulated, and were later detailed on www.serpo.org (http://www.serpo.org). According to the most common version of the story, an alien survived a crash near Roswell in the later 1940s (see Roswell UFO incident). This alien was detained but treated well by American military forces, contacted its home planet and eventually repatriated. The story continues by claiming that this led to the establishment of some sort of relationship between the American government and the people of its home world – said to be a planet of the binary star system Zeta Reticuli.

Zeta Reticuli has a history in ufology (including the Betty and Barney Hill abduction and the Bob Lazar story), having been claimed as the home system of an alien race called the Greys.

The story finally claims that twelve American military personnel visited the planet between 1965 and 1978 and that all of the party have since died, from 'after effects of high radiation levels from the two suns'.The picture above, by Don Dixon, bears a remarkable (!) resemblance, according to Bill Ryan, to a photo of Serpo seen by him... ;)


The problem with the Serpo story (as I'm sure Bill Ryan will be the first to tell you!) is that there are significantly conflicting accounts of it that have not as yet been resolved. For a more detailed version without getting too bogged down, either go to the two-page UFO.Whipnet.org article, the Project Serpo Story (Part 1 (http://ufo.whipnet.org/alien.races/project.serpo/serpo.credible.html), Part 2 (http://ufo.whipnet.org/alien.races/project.serpo/serpo.credible.2.html)), or read the same series of testimonials posted by Victor Martinez in Open Minds Forum's Project ANONYMOUS goes on-line! (http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=projectserpo&action=display&thread=651) This will give you the general idea. (Note that numbering of the testimonials follow the same sequence in each of the two above references but are out of step with each other.)


For detailed analysis, visit the Serpo.org (http://www.serpo.org) site (last update 2009).

Project Serpo is also known as Project Crystal Knight. Now, you wouldn't think this has Nazi associations, but Kerry Cassidy certainly unearthed them in an article reprinted in Bibliotecapleyades.net:
Project Crystal Knight - Video interview of Bill Ryan - March 2006 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_projectSERPO10.htm)

The article contains a link to The Nazi Party, the Thule Society, the Occult, and Freemasonry (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_brotherhoodss12.htm), which should be of interest to readers of Maria Stade's thread Operation Black Sun (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15165).

What surprises me is that I have not been able to find any mention of this interview on the Project Camelot Website, nor links to the video or an audio version thereof. This is Kerry's second interview with Bill (not clear whether the first one was Serpo-related). However, the 15-minute video, with the very British title of Project Serpo - The Changing of the Guard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCRzjXN9Fe8) is alive and well on YouTube.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCRzjXN9Fe8


Changing of the Guard: Project Serpo, aka Project Crystal Knight
Interview 2, Laughlin, Nevada, 6th March 2007

A year to the day after their first meeting, Bill talks with Kerry about the ups and downs of the Serpo story; what is and isn't known for sure; their now famous correspondence with an "old man" (claimed to be an elderly retired astronaut); and the factors which led Bill to decide to step down from his role as Serpo webmaster and put his attention 100% on Project Camelot (http://projectcamelot.org), their site which features video interviews with insiders and others who are sharing valuable information to the public. This interview constitutes Bill's formal "retirement" announcement, and is also a statement of his focus on the future of the human race rather than on the past.There are two more threads on Open Minds that IMO are worth bookmarking:

Serpo - A Chronology (http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=projectserpo&action=display&thread=6936) By Ufonaut. This clearly sets out the timeline of events.

In defense of Serpo (http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=projectserpo&action=display&thread=656&page=48#190034) by Greatwaller, which nicely sums up the current situation and Bill's departure.

As Greenwaller states, "The Serpo Story, as we know it here, is not yet over until it is finally over - one way or another...!" I would like to conclude by quoting Bill Ryan in his second interview with Kerry, in which he deftly outlines the real value of Project Serpo to us, whether its details are clear or not.


Here's the tree analogy: if you step back just a little way, you see the shape of the woods. The individual trees don't matter so much. The shape of the woods says clearly that we have been visited, that contact has been established, that we have been genetically manipulated by extraterrestrial species for reasons unknown, that the government has acquired advanced technology, sometimes by fair exchange or by gift, and sometimes by having come across it in the desert and they acquisitioned it when nobody was looking.

What happened in the 1960s and 1970s doesn't matter to me, because I'm not there any more. I'm here; this is 2007. What I'm really concerned about is what's going to happen next year, and the year after, and in the years running up to this highly charged year, 2012, or beyond. And the real questions behind that are, why are the visitors here in the first place? Why did they make an appearance en masse after the second World War, even if they had been visiting us for millennia? Why so much, and why now?

[Heise]

I have some more info to add, just so everyone gets all sides of the story:

Let's start from the beginning,
November 30, 2005 - "Centrist" creates a thread on AboveTopSecret.com (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread185069/pg1) titled "Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" - Breaking News?

-This becomes on of the most heated replied threads on ATS up to around 2007. - HS.


Serpo Story as told by RU (Reality Uncovered former ATS members Zep Tepi and Ryan Dube): (http://www.realityuncovered.net/ufology/articles/serpo/index.php)

Shawnna’s Serpo Truth (http://www.serpo.info/).

RU Response to Bill Ryan (http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=672)

According to RU's investigation.


In the beginning, there was Richard Doty. In November of 2005, Mr. Doty emailed Victor Martinez the infamous "Anonymous" email, allegedly written by a DIA "insider". Victor distributed this email to his email list, and the rest is history. The 5000+ Serpo thread on ATS, Bill Ryan's website, animosity between Bill Ryan and ATS, animosity between Victor and Bill Ryan, animosity between RU and OM forums, allegations of "COINTELPRO", smear campaigns, and much more. Over the past few months, RU has successfully revealed the evidence showing the following:

[humanalien]

RU Response to Bill Ryan (http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=672)



That link sure does paint a very bad picture of Bill. It sounds like Bill was lying and
being very deceitful, just to make him look very good in front of everyone.

I hope this isn't true of Bill. Other-wise, that would mean that the charles material
is in fact a deceitful lie, just to gain popularity among his followers.

Would you care to make a comment on this Bill? I'm not judging you. I just would
like some clarity...

[karelia]

That link sure does paint a very bad picture of Bill. It sounds like Bill was lying and
being very deceitful, just to make him look very good in front of everyone.



I don't think it does at all. It paints a very poor picture of RU. Look at the language RU uses in it; it reeks of cabal-speak, just sayin'.

[Bill Ryan]

RU Response to Bill Ryan (http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=672)



That link sure does paint a very bad picture of Bill. It sounds like Bill was lying and
being very deceitful, just to make him look very good in front of everyone.

I hope this isn't true of Bill. Other-wise, that would mean that the charles material
is in fact a deceitful lie, just to gain popularity among his followers.

Would you care to make a comment on this Bill? I'm not judging you. I just would
like some clarity...

Hi there - no, this is quite a lot of nonsense. Steve Broadbent and Ryan Dube (from Reality Uncovered) are serious debunkers, and sometimes fairly vicious ones as well.

This needs more time to me to respond, but here (linked below) is a start. I'll also be happy to answer all questions.

http://serpo.org/final_update.php




A Final Update from Bill Ryan: 5 March 2007


Serpo is dead… long live Serpo

[From 'The King is dead... long live the King', a traditional English phrase referring to the celebration of the continuation of the monarchy despite the death of the reigning king.]



Or:

An exchange program almost certainly happened, and why I'm now moving on to other things...



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With no further Serpo information having been released since August 2006, readers can be forgiven for assuming that, despite several more false dawns, there may now be no more. This is an assumption now shared by myself.


In December 2006, after Victor Martinez had received a number of photos which turned out to be fakes, I first drafted this update page you’re reading now. My intention was to hand this site over to another webmaster, and focus my attention full time (rather than just 95% of the time) on Project Camelot (http://projectcamelot.net/), which supports disclosure and which publishes interviews, free of charge, with insiders and other important witnesses to government secrecy.

I withheld posting it then because there was reason to hold the possibility that at least some of the insiders who were part of the backstage story might be present at the 2007 Laughlin UFO Congress. However, this has just concluded, and no-one was there – with one exception. This was an elderly man, with aquiline features and wearing a pilot's jacket... who, to my great interest, was clearly shocked to see me there again.

I'd met him at last year's Congress, and had been told then that he was Paul McGovern (a retired DIA official well-known in insider UFO circles), attending under a pseudonym. Last year this man had indeed shown an uncommon interest in me and, after the Congress was over, I'd been told he had passed on the message to me, via an intermediary, to ask whether or not I had “bought his story”.

This year, on seeing him again, I confronted him; but he earned his paycheck by denying complicity to the bitter end. Eventually I left him alone, seeing that no further progress would be gained. Having analyzed all the available photographs, I don’t believe he was Paul McGovern, but I do believe he's a DIA agent. That should be no surprise, as agents frequently patrol UFO conventions. But this, too, merely adds to the smoke and mirrors of the ongoing Serpo intrigue. As ever, nothing definitive transpired.

Meanwhile, and hinting strongly at a great deal more substance, I had told the story in our 17th February Coast to Coast AM radio interview (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page1887.html) of how Kerry Cassidy and I had made contact with an elderly man who we’d been told, off the record, was a reserve Serpo astronaut who had trained with the team who went on the mission. The full story follows here, and makes for fascinating reading. (Readers may be interested to know that the identity of the senior CIA agent was who contacted us in irritation, unnamed below, can be deduced from reading Dan Smith’s blog (http://www.bestpossibleworld.com/nexu66.htm) with some care and attention. The agent is identified there as "SI", an acronym for Salmo Irideus, or Troutfish.)

While intending no harm or discourtesy, and definitely with no intention to betray confidentiality, we had evidently trodden on the toes of both the DIA and CIA, as no-one had imagined that we would be actually take it upon ourselves to contact the person now known in Serpo lore as “the old man”. This is what had happened:

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I was told the name of someone who was supposedly a reserve Serpo astronaut, as far back as February 2006. This occurred naturally in conversation with a member of the intelligence community. I was also told the general area where this person lived.

A couple of months later, on 21 April, Kerry Cassidy and I opted to take a little initiative of our own. We did a search on the internet and found his name, together with a street address and telephone number. So we decided to write to him.

The letter was sent by FedEx. It expressed support, promised that his ID and contact details would not be revealed to anyone, said that we’d be delighted to assist with the disclosure effort with a Project Camelot interview under any stipulated conditions of confidentiality, and sought to establish direct communication if at all possible.

The letter was delivered and signed for, but after that there was silence. He never responded. We came to suspect that we’d written to the wrong person, and it was all a mistake.

Then, out of the blue, on 8 September, I received an e-mail from Kit Green (not marked Private) saying:



Did you go to [*******] to see Mr. [*******] with your girlfriend and a camera?

Where did you get his name and address?
We thought: “Thank you, Kit.” Beautiful confirmation. That was a slip on Kit’s part.

The distortion in Kit Green’s belief about what had happened (and the time delay – four and a half months) made us wonder if this had been reported up the line through the DIA, across to the CIA at a high level, and then down to Kit, accumulating errors along the way. (We’ll leave others to determine the likelihood of Kit Green still being on the CIA payroll.)

I did not reply to Kit’s question (hoping he would say more) - and he did.

On 6 October, in the context of an e-mail to me about other matters and cc’d to Victor Martinez, Robert Collins, Marilyn Ruben, Brendan Burton, and Larry Dicken, he wrote:



I accept your not answering me about your intrusion with camera and recording device to try and interview the old man, as a private matter.
Thanks, Kit. So now we know he’s an old man. (We had, of course, never met him.)

In December, meeting with Victor for the first time in a while, Victor told us that he too had heard that we had greatly irritated the DIA with our little initiative – and (importantly) that this was the reason that I was suddenly cut out of the loop (soon after the delivery of the FedEx letter) regarding receiving any of the Serpo releases directly. (Students of the ongoing saga will recall that it was then that the releases reverted to Victor.)

Meanwhile, in November, Kerry and I decided to visit this man in person. We prepared a letter of the utmost courtesy, to be hand-delivered. We would then retire to a coffee shop for several hours, with our cellphone on the table. Then we would head back home again after a pre-allotted time.

Our letter read:



Dear Mr *******,

We were given your name by [****], and found your address in the [*******] phonebook. In May of this year we delivered a secure personal letter to you by FedEx.

We’d greatly appreciate the opportunity to talk with you in person, under any conditions of confidentiality which you may stipulate. We’d like to discuss how we may be able to help your efforts to release the Serpo story. We’re aware that the ongoing release has met with numerous difficulties over the course of the last year.

We’d like to emphasize that we do not wish to do anything to breach any requested confidentiality. We’ve known your identity and contact details for many months yet have never revealed these to anyone else. We assure you that we can be trusted fully.

We’ll be in [*******] for the rest of the afternoon until 7.00 pm. Please call us at [(***) *** ****] (cell) if you or any other of your colleagues are interested in meeting with us. We’d be delighted to hear from you.

With our best wishes,

Bill Ryan
Kerry Cassidy
We delivered the letter, and - most interestingly - the man’s wife was waiting for us at the gate as we arrived, despite our having informed no-one of our plan. We’d either been tracked, or our car is bugged; neither would be a surprise. The man himself, who was elderly but looked as he'd been strong and athletic in his youth, was at the door, watching, some 20 or 30 yards away. We were polite and deferential, handed her the letter, and immediately left.

We waited till 7pm, but the phone did not ring.

In mid-December, I then heard from Kit Green again, who said that he’d been told that we’d visited the man in person with camera and recording equipment in hand, asking for an interview. (I won’t copy the message, because it was marked Private.)

I sent Kit Green the text of the letter copied above, and explained that either the man himself was lying, or that he, Kit, been deliberately misinformed by his source. (It wouldn’t be the first time that Kit has been fed malicious false information about me from persons unknown.)

None of this proves that the man was an astronaut, or that Serpo exists... but it does show, fairly conclusively, that we’d stepped heavily on someone’s toes by making contact with this man, and that the report had rippled out through the intel community to eventually reach Kit Green.

So an "old man", sensitively connected to the story, definitely exists... and is being well protected.

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In another synchronous event, Shawnna Connolly, having come to blows (in protest at their unethical activity) with Ryan Dube and Steve Broadbent, her former conspirators and debunkers at the Reality Uncovered forum, ‘outed’ Reality Uncovered’s ongoing smear campaign in massive and compelling detail on www.serpo.info (http://www.serpo.info/). The only thing she omitted to mention in the listed catalog of dirty tricks was their having gained unauthorized access to my personal e-mail account (not just the serpo e-mails) last November and December, an action which I’ve obtained legal advice was criminal. Apart from this detail, the entire account of the smear campaign is well-told on www.serpo.info (http://www.serpo.info/), and needs no repetition on these pages.

All this, combined with Kerry Cassidy and myself celebrating the first anniversary of our initial meeting (when Kerry interviewed me – click here (http://serpo.org/interviews.php)) with another interview (http://serpo.org/interviews.php), twelve months on to the day, made me realize that now was the optimum time to step down from being the webmaster of this site which has intrigued and involved so many for so long. As stated above, I'd been considering this since December 2006; the principal trigger for the final decision now was the Laughlin "anniversary" combined with the complete lack of further updates for six months.

So from here on out I'll look back on Serpo with a mixture of fondness and relief. And I’ll be focusing full-time on Project Camelot (http://projectcamelot.net/), a website of comprehensive video interviews with insiders and other important disclosure witnesses.

Here are my conclusions, such as it’s possible to reach any:





As I stated in my July 26 American Antigravity interview (http://serpo.org/interviews.php), I believe the Serpo story is a mixture of disinformation (i.e. truth mixed with added fictional elements) and naturally occurring compounded errors (such as uncorrected audiotape transcripts of the team commander's logs)... surrounding a core of extraordinary truth.
As stated above, an "old man", sensitively connected to the story, definitely exists... and is being well protected.
My instinct that this story had to be made available to the general public has turned out to be well justified.
There's been an extraordinary amount of dirty tricks and smears specifically intended to discredit the story, but emanating from a relatively small group of people.
The phrase “exchange program” has now been permanently introduced into the vocabulary of the UFO community... and an exchange program of some kind definitely occurred (see release 21 (http://serpo.org/release21.php)).
The Serpo account is endlessly fascinating, and is bound to be remain controversial. However, it's about an event that occurred nearly 50 years ago and is primarily historical. While one can always learn from the study of history or historical events, my attention is now concentrated on information and research concerning what may lie ahead for us all.
For those readers who'd like to involve themselves in ongoing discussion and debate, you'll find yourself met with friendliness and courtesy on the Open Minds Forum (http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=projectserpo). The contact form on this site will be disabled, but ongoing debate, observations, comments and questions can all be posted here (http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=projectserpo).
As stated above, my own focus will now be 100% on Project Camelot (http://projectcamelot.net/).


My best wishes to those who have shown interest in this fascinating story.

Bill Ryan
5 March 2007

[Bill Ryan]

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From http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16497-What-s-wrong-with-ATS&p=177422#post177422




The Wayne Jaeshcke ATS incident had to do with Serpo and he supposedly was trying to discredit the story by impersonating Sylvester Mcoglin, an insider.

It was actually ATS members who told Bill Ryan of his agenda after they noticed Wayne became more against the story by scamming Victor Martinez over emails... as they were initially looking to uncover the story as well. Two of those ATS members started the site "Reality Uncovered". If VM really was in the loop he would not have fallen for Waynes scam in the first place.

The legend of Serpo will be that it was a fabrication of Collins and Rick, as part of a viral marketing plan to generate buzz and interest for a book. It is this writer's conclusion that the only ones "behind" Rick Doty, in the creation of this hoaxed information, were Bob Collins and Douglas and Marilyn Ruben.

Well, this really needs a new thread in itself. I can understand anyone having those views, which have become a sort of accepted belief system in the UFO media, but that's absolutely not how it was.

Rick Doty's role was complex (and I met with him twice during that period personally, at length - he came to meet Kerry and myself at her house and we spoke off record for two and a half hours) - and Bob Collins and Mariiyn Ruben were categorically not involved in the story at all (Bob Collins was actually very critical of it).

Re Wayne Jaeschke, that's correct - Steve Broadbent and Ryan Dube (then ATS members, as was I) outed him to me: they had initially been part of the scam with Shawnna Connelly, and then I brought it to Victor Martinez's attention and to that of many others. He later lost his job not only with ATS, but with the East Coast law firm he was working for, Morrison & Foerster.

Yes, this topic alone should be a new thread. If other people are in the know, I cant be certain as I'm speaking about facts that have been presented to me to the best of my knowledge and research.

-HS.

Yes, fully understood. It was a highly complex story (even more complex than the 'Charles material' :) ) and Victor Martinez, Kerry and I are probably the only people who understood the bulk of what happened. (Victor knows more than anyone, and he is sworn to secrecy about quite a lot of stuff.)

As an unpublished snippet of indirect evidence, in October 2010 I was contacted by someone who worked for NORAD in the 1970s, calling himself Jay. He gave his full name and contact details, and wrote (very slightly edited):





I worked as an electrical engineer at NORAD in 1976-1978. I was just a young airman. But I did have the appropriate security clearances and the specific job classification necessary to have daily access to all areas of the Cheyenne Mountain complex for the three years I worked there.

I recall hearing primarily from the guys in the command center, in my opinion, what you'd call "scuttlebutt". Common "around the coffee pot" type conversations. There was, however, some excitement in the command center during a time period in July of 1978 from the guys working in the command center.

As you may or may not know, the general "Top Secret" environment of the military is on a very "need to know" basis. The constant threat of "long prison sentences in Ft Leavenworth", or just mysteriously "disappearing from existence" were the most common punishment for speaking of classified information outside the community of "those who needed to know."

I recall hearing the words "Crystal Palace" and "Crystal Knight" from several different individuals on several occasions during the July 1978 time frame. I really did not give it any serious thought until just a few months ago, when I heard the phrase "Crystal Knight" once again. I heard from a friend that some of the project managers from the 1960's provided "deathbed" confessions of things they felt the citizens of the world should really be aware of.

I "Googled" Project Crystal Knight, and spent many hours researching the various tidbits of information. I explored all the possible "Internet links" regarding the planet Serpo (the "final destination" of this exchange program), the dates and locations in the USA where the exchanges had been made, and the general circumstances that led to the creation and negotiations of this ET exchange program. The scattered pieces of this puzzle started to make some sense now.

[Amenjo]

Thank you Bill for that wonderful response.

It is your passion to find and speak the Truth that has made Avalon what it is today.

I hope that fellow Avalonians can learn by your example.

So many people are eager to jump on the first bandwagon that comes along, but we must try to be patient.

Before you decide to put statements out their about things you have heard, research as much as you can about it first.

Otherwise you could be fueling the wrong fire.

Love and Truth,

Amenjo

[Chicodoodoo]

I disagree with Bill (in the video) that the Serpo story does not inform the future. Even if it is disinfo, meaning a mixture of truth and deliberate falsehoods or misrepresentations, then there is some truth behind the story. Perhaps you cannot disentangle that truth from the fabricated aspects of the story at this time, but simply being familiar with the story and aware that it does contain truths will be useful in the future when more information might allow that truth to be revealed. And the Serpo story also serves the present, illustrating how misinformation, speculation, imagination, deception, and distraction are all carefully blended to define the world we live in, where one side is desperate to learn the truth, and the other side is determined to keep the truth to themselves.

[Bill Ryan]

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There were other smoking guns, as well. Listen to this one - another piece of critically important confirming data that got buried in all the murk that followed.

Very early in the story (November-December 2005), I was contacted by an AF Lt-Col based in the Pentagon (name and all details supplied by him). He was a good guy, and was contacting me off-duty because he was interested in the story. He e-mailed me several times with thoughts and perspectives. He was an intelligent man, curious like all the rest of us.

Then he wrote to me with this blockbuster. This is taken from http://serpo.org/update_july_2006.php. (http://serpo.org/update_july_2006.php)

Read carefully and enjoy (edited and abbreviated for the purposes of this post):






Important Update: 7 July 2006

I want to re-publish the message I received on 2 December from a serving Air Force Lt Colonel assigned to the Pentagon, whose name and e-mail I know but who has requested that they are not disclosed.

Since receiving these messages my Lt Col source has “gone dark” despite a number of attempts to re-establish communication. Prior to the 2 December message, he had corresponded with me on five occasions about minor matters connected with the Serpo story. He is a military scientist, and was interested in the astrophysics of the releases; he sent me a lengthy discourse on Kepler’s Laws in which he explained how Kepler’s Laws would not apply in a Binary Star environment.

I am assuming that following his startling confirmation of the Serpo story, he has been “leaned on” to cease communication with me. Prior to 2 or 3 December, he was not violating any protocol. But after he had been told, say, not to communicate any more on this subject, he would have been jeopardizing his military career to violate the order.






Friday, 2 Dec 2005






Bill;

Just want to pass this along.

Yesterday, I visited an old retired USAF Colonel. This Colonel had served 30 years in USAF Intelligence. I don't know his exact time frame but it was sometime around 1955 to 1985. I have been friends with this Colonel for about five years. His son, who is also my friend, serves in my unit. Because of his extensive intelligence time, I wanted to run all this past him to see if he might know something about the information being released by Victor.

The Colonel doesn't have email so I printed all the information from Anonymous and provided him a copy. I watched him read the most current email, one with all the postings. I watched his eyes and facial expressions. After he was finished, he stated, Oh my God, who on this Earth would release such classified material?

I then asked him if all this information was real. His simple answer was, Yes, all real. I then asked the Colonel if he had been involved with this project. He said, yes, he was involved in the communications aspect of this operation from about 1961 until 1965. He was also on the debriefing team. He wouldn't provide too much information, saying that unless he saw that all information was declassified, he could not comment on details. I thanked him and left.

I was startled, to say the least. Wow, this is actually true. I always thought some of it was true but I had some doubts about details that have been released.

We may just be on the Verge of a major release of information about the most important part of our History.

[giovonni]

i see Bill's post got in between Chicodoodoo and my post response~ but i agree with this...

From Chicodoodoo

"I disagree with Bill (in the video) that the Serpo story does not inform the future. Even if it is disinfo, meaning a mixture of truth and deliberate falsehoods or misrepresentations, then there is some truth behind the story. Perhaps you cannot disentangle that truth from the fabricated aspects of the story at this time, but simply being familiar with the story and aware that it does contain truths will be useful in the future when more information might allow that truth to be revealed. And the Serpo story also serves the present, illustrating how misinformation, speculation, imagination, deception, and distraction are all carefully blended to define the world we live in, where one side is desperate to learn the truth, and the other side is determined to keep the truth to themselves."




hmmmmm...Truth rarely falls in the extreme regions; it usually makes it home closer to the middle of the spectrum. There are two sides to every issue, and rarely will one seem completely right to everyone involved.

[str8thinker]

Thanks Bill for responding. After reading Zep Tepi's vitriolic Response to Bill Ryan (http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=672) the palpable level of hate expressed makes it clear to me that the purpose of that post was not to objectively uncover the truth but to pursue a professional smear campaign. In this I agree with karelia in post #4.

[str8thinker]

Without wishing to go too far off-topic, a thought struck me later. A considerable level of US government - ET friendship is required before an exchange program like this can be implemented. Why then, at the same time, do we hear stories from people like Viper and the like about the same government making every effort to bring down every UFO that comes their way? If I was ET, I'd be mightily offended by this. Perhaps this deserves a separate thread.

[Möbius]

When I first studied the info released from Project Serpo I have to say that it struck a chord with me. I truely believe that this story was fact and not fiction. I have no difficulty believing that we are not alone. Infact I believe that people who think that we are alone are retarded (using the proper use of the term meaning "backward"). How could they ever know we are alone if they have never left "terra firma". I have studied statistics and I know that if I ask any sane Actuary they will tell you that the propability of life being present elsewhere is "1" meaning that it is certain. All the studies carried out on earth trying to find where life cannot exist ends up finding some organism that can survive in that extreme environment. We have not found one area on this planet where life doesn't exist. Even outside the "Goildilocks" zone we think that there is life. All you need is an energy source (Sun / Geothermal etc) and water (There might be other fluids that do the job just as well as water for other lifeforms) So we can now asume that there is other life in the cosmos. The next question that "retards" ask is - If life does exist elsewhere in the cosmos then how the hell can they cross the galaxy / universe to come into contact with us. Well that is another easy one to answer... My question to them would be this - Have you ever studied physics? If they say yes then ask them this - What is gravity? - They will probably answer "I don't know" - Then asky them this - "What is Magnetism?" - They may give you some crap but they will still not know what it is - Then asks them "What really causes things to attract and to repell each other? And I will guaranty that they will not know the answer. Basically we know nothing about physics. We the human (and not so human!) race only know how to model and control certain physical things. We have no idea what is really happening. So lets say for arguments sake that there is a race out there which has been around for a small amount of time longer than us - lets say 10,000 years. We went from the Wright brothers to landing on the Moon in 66 years. Do you think that they could have surpassed our extremely limited knowledge of physics within 151 times that time period? To put it another way - Do you think that the human race would be capable of space travel in the year 12011 using our current speed of technological advancement? The only answer can be Yes (unless you are retarded)!

On anther note - what I found to be particularly believable regarding Project Serpo were the details in the transcript. If you were writing a piece of fiction you would usually decribe things, events and objects that would titilate the audiance. Whereas when I read the Project Serpo Transcript I found that alot of the details described were of a mundane nature. This, I believe, is the fundemental difference between a film script and a diary. A film script is designed to excite or titilate and a diary is a personal story written down to help describe an event however uncomfortable the circumstances are.

You can always tell fact from fiction. The devil is in the detail....

Mobius

[king anthony]

...the same government making every effort to bring down every UFO that comes their way? If I was ET, I'd be mightily offended by this...

If I may briefly comment on the above, as there is no thread on the topic (yet) - my apologies in advance, as my intention is not to change the course of this thread, to which I cannot give voice to.

I say, there are many (nonhuman) species; and human beings find themselves caught in a 'great' conflict. There has been, as there is now, and will be conflict between the said. Sides taken within and with others are continuous, with each having their own best interests in mind. What may appear hostile to all, or the few, only appears that way. As for the human species, they have been noticed (now) for their potential involvement of what is to be.

[Chicodoodoo]

We have not found one area on this planet where life doesn't exist. Even outside the "Goildilocks" zone we think that there is life. All you need is an energy source (Sun / Geothermal etc) and water (There might be other fluids that do the job just as well as water for other lifeforms) So we can now asume that there is other life in the cosmos.

That would certainly argue that life may be much more common in the universe than we imagine.

A new kind of bacteria was recently discovered (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/10/061019192814.htm) living in tiny cracks in the rocks 1.7 miles beneath the surface of our planet. The power source of their little world is not the sun or geothermal, but radioactive decay from the rocks themselves. This radioactivity disassociates water and creates compounds the bacteria can utilize as food.

Even NASA is starting to publicly admit that life exists elsewhere (http://echofrog.com/2011/03/10/nasa-claims-discovery-of-alien-life/), probably because fewer and fewer people will believe their past dismissals and cover-ups of evidence for intelligent alien life. Of course, it's only a baby step (fossilized bacterium) compared to what they could reveal if they wanted to, but it's a long-overdue start.

[dan33]

Hi, it's not strange at all that a project like this were done. Many disinfo in it?, of course, but a wonderful story too. I wonder who write such stories. They hire writers to do the job?
Things that catch my attention: 1. the explanation about to take a lawn mower to Serpo; the list of equipment needed; the team's disorientation during all the trip to Serpo; the lack of toilets there... and so many other things i can't remember now.

“I really found my faith when I learned that the government was opposed to the film. If NASA took the time to write me a twenty-page letter, then I knew there must be something happening.”
Steven Spielberg.
Close encounters it's a magnificent film. Here is the best Spielberg, working on a script that he changed almost every day during the shooting.

Close Encounters of the Third Kind (from 2:09:17)
dMAob02Ro6I

-"The sun came up last night and sang to me"

Thanks srt8thinker for this thread, and thanks Bill for all your work on Serpo (last night Bill came up and sang to me...;) )

Greetings Daniel

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, it's not strange at all that a project like this were done. Many disinfo in it?, of course, but a wonderful story too.


Yes, of course it was disinfo.

But disinformation = information that's partly true and partly false.

Now read that last sentence again!

That means that some of it was true.

How significant is that?

Even if 80% of it was false, that means 20% of the story is true - about a team of 12 American Scientists going to an alien planet for a number of years as part of an exchange program, and then returning many years later but with two of them having died and two having decided to stay there.

Just to show what might be false: Linda Howe, Bill Hamilton, John Lear and Bob Emenegger all testified (separately) that they had heard that a team of three scientists (not twelve) had gone on an exchange program to another planet: one had returned safely, one had died, and the third had become mentally unstable.

That'd be one of the stories of the millennium. And the Serpo story might be an altered (i.e. 'untrue') version of that. It's still dynamite information.

[Moemers]

Can't. Stop. Googling.

[dan33]

Hi, it's not strange at all that a project like this were done. Many disinfo in it?, of course, but a wonderful story too.


Yes, of course it was disinfo.

But disinformation = information that's partly true and partly false.

Now read that last sentence again!

That means that some of it was true.

How significant is that?

Even if 80% of it was false, that means 20% of the story is true - about a team of 12 American Scientists going to an alien planet for a number of years as part of an exchange program, and then returning many years later but with two of them having died and two having decided to stay there.

Just to show what might be false: Linda Howe, Bill Hamilton, John Lear and Bob Emenegger all testified (separately) that they had heard that a team of three scientists (not twelve) had gone on an exchange program to another planet: one had returned safely, one had died, and the third had become mentally unstable.

That'd be one of the stories of the millennium. And the Serpo story might be an altered (i.e. 'untrue') version of that. It's still dynamite information.

I'm totally agree with you Bill.
It's like the disinfo on the UMMO issue. So many reports, about 2 thousand pages, but i'm sure some are true. That's it!. J J Benitez, the writer, is an specialist on the UMMO affair. I'm sure you know it. Serpo and UMMO are dynamite. ;)

Thanks for the replay, Bill.

Daniel

[Hervé]

Thank you Bill for hammering this in:


But disinformation = information that's partly true and partly false.

Now read that last sentence again!

That means that some of it was true.

How significant is that?

Even if 80% of it was false, that means 20% of the story is true - about a team of 12 American Scientists going to an alien planet for a number of years as part of an exchange program, and then returning many years later but with two of them having died and two having decided to stay there.

Just to show what might be false: Linda Howe, Bill Hamilton, John Lear and Bob Emenegger all testified (separately) that they had heard that a team of three scientists (not twelve) had gone on an exchange program to another planet: one had returned safely, one had died, and the third had become mentally unstable.

That'd be one of the stories of the millennium. And the Serpo story might be an altered (i.e. 'untrue') version of that. It's still dynamite information.

To paraphrase Einstein about his own theory: One single exception can destroy it.

Even if only 1% is true, everything else needs to be reconsidered in accordance.

That's where most people have the greatest difficulty: reconsider everything else.

Simply because everything most people are holding onto, to keep them stabilized, is getting pulled out from under their feet.

How many are willing or ready to do that?

PS: emphasis mine

[Icecold]

The fact that this thread appeared is quite synchronous.

Thank you str8thinker

Last night there was a chat user (don't know if it was a member here) who wanted to read Bill's take on the Serpo issue.

Cheers,

Icecold

[Chicodoodoo]

Even if 80% of it was false, that means 20% of the story is true

And chances are high that in most cases it will be closer to 80% true and 20% false. Disinfo agents don't bother to change much of the story. They know that they need only add, modify, or delete enough of the story to introduce a few "ah ha" moments that people can latch onto and use as justification to dismiss the entire story. Amazingly enough, most people will judge a story as "not credible" if only one contradiction to their working world model can be found.

[Bill Ryan]

Even if 80% of it was false, that means 20% of the story is true

And chances are high that in most cases it will be closer to 80% true and 20% false. Disinfo agents don't bother to change much of the story. They know that they need only add, modify, or delete enough of the story to introduce a few "ah ha" moments that people can latch onto and use as justification to dismiss the entire story. Amazingly enough, most people will judge a story as "not credible" if only one contradiction to their working world model can be found.

I'd totally agree with that. In fact, Rick Doty told me that 80% of the Serpo story was true - and I could believe it.

[Heise]

Here was another article written last year on the matter.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/153063/


One of Martinez sources also commented on other longstanding reports within the leading-edge community researching allegations of extraterrestrial visitation to Earth.

"The 'Yellow Book' is quite an extraordinary piece of alien technology. It was given to us by the Ebens. It tells the entire history of their race, planet and most of the history of the universe as well as our own. As far as I know, no one has ever viewed the 'Yellow Book' to its very end. As you stated in one of your releases, it would take an entire lifetime to read it and yet another to understand it."

Martinez indicates he posed a question to the source about the alleged operation that has been referred to as "Project SERPO," a mission reportedly begun in the early 1960s that sent a 12-person team of specially-trained U.S. military personnel on a planned ten-year exchange program to the Ebens' home planet.

"I was briefed into this very special project many years ago, but only as a trainer. I was not sure of the exact nature of this project until I read all about it on the Serpo.org Web site."

"Like all other operations and special projects, SERPO was highly compartmentalized. I have now read the entire SERPO story, which I never knew was even posted on the Internet until I was placed in contact with you. I learned much from it and it looks like you pretty much have the entire story."

"I congratulate and commend you for getting this very important piece of America's 'hidden' history out. I really enjoyed reading this information. I just shared it with many of my old intel friends – and they knew about it! It's truly an amazing story ... "

"I guess there still is a controversy on whether two women went or not. At least one went for sure. I knew six of them while in training as their instructor. Two were nurses, one was a linguist and I'm not sure about the others with the passage of time."

Martinez claims his source also explained, "There was a 'Group-6' that was involved in the Roswell Incident cover up. 'Group-6' controlled the administrative side of all UFO investigations at the time. It was centered in New Mexico."

"It primarily involved the 1121 Special Activities Squadron of the USAF. It also thoroughly investigated the famous Lonnie Zamora contact incident of Friday, April 24, 1964, in Socorro, NM; I remember it well because I was stationed in NM then."

"There was in fact an MJ-12 group which stood for 'Majority Group-12.' It was comprised of 12 USG officials who controlled, managed and directed every aspect of the UFO phenomenon. Most of the officials were governmental types, but some were not. That 'MJ-12' name was changed some years ago which I understand you know."

The source also reportedly stated to Martinez that the home world of the alleged hostile alien species, the Trantaloids, "is the third planet out from the star Epsilon Eridani in the constellation Eridanus at 10.5 light-years away. Although somewhat cooler and fainter than our sun, it is very similar."

Martinez' source also advised him that " ... since this information originated outside of our agency, this is all I can provide you with at the moment."


According to accounts released Saturday, April 24, 2010, by the coordinator of an e-mail news and information service, officials of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) and other U.S. government agencies have been involved in security activities involving human-appearing extraterrestrial beings in the U.S.

[Zepheriah]

It was Serpo.org that led me to Project Camelot. By no means was i a newcomer to the alternative, but it opened my eyes to a wider range of theory and discovery.

I have an inbuilt bull**** alarm, probably like a good number of you guys, which is terrbily accurate and even though it did go off whilst reading the Serpo story, it was only at certain sections, not the whole thing. A good deal of it rings true, i'm certain that an exchange program of some nature did occur on those dates.

I suppose its like walking through a dense jungle. You could just walk into it, be oblivious to the undergrowth and pick your way through the paths of least resistance and hope to reach your destination, follow a guide and hope they do not lead you astray or take out your machete and clear the path your own way, making the decision of what to cut and what to leave as you go.

This thread is long overdue and has given me a chance to re-aquaint myself with the thing that bought me here in the first place all of those years ago.

My thanks str8thinker

[earth]

First thanks again for this avalon thing. You guys are terrific. How do u do to find things BEFORE one asks in the search box? And so and so..... Inverse ET thecnology? ;)

Crystal Knight is very difficult to say yes this or yes that. I am excluding 4th or Nth dimensions. Thats why maybe we are so sceptics sometimes?

Thanks dan33 (the word of so many answers) for the link with the UMMO thing. Again 80% was probably fake, but.... the other 20% is.... so beautiful.... so moving....

[dan33]

First thanks again for this avalon thing. You guys are terrific. How do u do to find things BEFORE one asks in the search box? And so and so..... Inverse ET thecnology? ;)

Crystal Knight is very difficult to say yes this or yes that. I am excluding 4th or Nth dimensions. Thats why maybe we are so sceptics sometimes?

Thanks dan33 (the word of so many answers) for the link with the UMMO thing. Again 80% was probably fake, but.... the other 20% is.... so beautiful.... so moving....



Thanks earth…ha! The huge UMMO thing is like Serpo in the sixties, and wonderful too.;)


http://www.ummo-sciences.org/en/a003.htm

[RamblingRebel]

I seem to remember Gary McKinnon mentioning something about 'off planet operatives' in his Project Camelot interview. What's everyones thought's on this being related to Serpo?

[dan33]

I seem to remember Gary McKinnon mentioning something about 'off planet operatives' in his Project Camelot interview. What's everyones thought's on this being related to Serpo?

Hi RamblingRebel, ... may be.... but not directly. "Space Marines" , it's another step for ....(?) ask Bill (or Chicodoodoo).


It's not related to Serpo ... directly ...that's my opinion ;)

Best, Daniel.

[Chicodoodoo]

I seem to remember Gary McKinnon mentioning something about 'off planet operatives' in his Project Camelot interview. What's everyones thought's on this being related to Serpo?

Hi RamblingRebel, ... may be.... but not directly. "Space Marines" , it's another step for ....(?) ask Bill (or Chicodoodoo).

I remember Mckinnon mentioning that, too, in one of his interviews. In his examination of NASA files, he came across an official list of names and ranks of "off-world personnel". It could very well be related to Serpo or other current classified off-world projects, like any Moon or Mars bases.

[Heise]

I seem to remember Gary McKinnon mentioning something about 'off planet operatives' in his Project Camelot interview. What's everyones thought's on this being related to Serpo?

Cant be much. I believe the story was most of them were returned or had passed away (esp by the time Mckinnon would have seen it in early 02), and I really think the teams were not classified as off world operatives... did you even read about Serpo?

[dan33]

[QUOTE=RamblingRebel;178744]I seem to remember Gary McKinnon mentioning something about 'off planet operatives' in his Project Camelot interview. What's everyones thought's on this being related to Serpo?

Hi RamblingRebel, ... may be.... but not directly. "Space Marines" , it's another step for ....(?) ask Bill (or Chicodoodoo).
Althoug all members of the team were “soldiers”, their mission was scientific above all. I thik that the training was different that a “super-soldier” or “space marine” do.
But yes, the connection is there ( I didn’t remembered that McKinnon talked about Serpo . Thanks Chicodoodoo… you’re always on the front line ;)

[humanalien]

Thank-you Bill for taking the time to explain things for us. I knew there
was some form of disinfo being used against you but i needed to hear that
from you for some reason.

[Lazlo]

[QUOTE=RamblingRebel;178744]I seem to remember Gary McKinnon mentioning something about 'off planet operatives' in his Project Camelot interview. What's everyones thought's on this being related to Serpo?

Hi RamblingRebel, ... may be.... but not directly. "Space Marines" , it's another step for ....(?) ask Bill (or Chicodoodoo).
Althoug all members of the team were “soldiers”, their mission was scientific above all. I thik that the training was different that a “super-soldier” or “space marine” do.
But yes, the connection is there ( I didn’t remembered that McKinnon talked about Serpo . Thanks Chicodoodoo… you’re always on the front line ;)


Kerry asked Gary if he knew anything about Serpo, and he said he didn't. It came from the interview in the PC library.

[Dennis Jonathan]

I seem to remember Gary McKinnon mentioning something about 'off planet operatives' in his Project Camelot interview. What's everyones thought's on this being related to Serpo?

The numerology of the number 12 has been on my mind lately.  This is what originally made me start thinking about how often we see that number in relation to a group.
 
Here are some occurrences of the number 12 in history, forgive the lack of info regarding areas I am not as versed in. 
 
Ufology:
 
Majestic - 12
12 "Non-terrestrial officers" uncovered by Gary McKinnon
12 travelers speculated in the Serpo material
12 people walked on the moon (supposedly)
 
The Bible:
 
12 apostles of the Jesus Christ
12 explorers sent in Canaan
12 Tribes of Israel 12 commandments (10 from Moses, 2 from Jesus (Matt 22: 36-40))
12 gates of the celestial City (Rv 21,12)
 
Astrology:
 
12 signs, or constellations, of the zodiac
12 animals of the Chinese horoscope
 
Buddhism:
 
12 Nidanas or causes of existence
 
Islam:
 
12 Imams
 
Hinduism:
 
12 names for the sun god Surya
12 "Jyotirlingas" (epitome of God Shiva) in Hindu Shaivism
12 petals of the hearth chakra
 
Ancient Mythology:
 
12 major Greek/Roman gods
12 sons of Odin
 
Measurements:
 
12 Months in a year
12 hours in a day (AM & PM)
12 inches in a foot
 
2012...
 
Sorry, this kind of got away from me.  Interesting though, no?
 
Anyways...I find it interesting that Gary McKinnons "Non-terrestrial officers" hack has been such a huge issue with the US trying to extradite him, and the Serpo material also seems to draw government interest like a moth to a flame. 

[dan33]

...and there is a comic about Serpo too.

http://aecomics.com/blog/rincon-independiente-serpo-gn/

[Bill Ryan]

...and there is a comic about Serpo too.

http://aecomics.com/blog/rincon-independiente-serpo-gn/

Here's the 1 minute video trailer for the comic book: :)

It's quite good! (I'd never seen this before)

http://disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/48485/PROJECT_SERPO_DISCLOSURE__COMIC_BOOK_SERIES


http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/421869-Serpo_TPB_Cov_super.jpg

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hello Bill , I loved the Serpo transcripts and in particular the testimonies of the actual astronauts that was in the text. I read it all a while ago and very much found that while some of it was hocum .. the rest seemed very reasonable.

My question to you Bill is : The exchange program was made with an ET race and in Serpo states that they were benevolent. However now it seems the actions of the existing ET races here on Earth are malevolent, i mean if the exchange program had any effect from a benevolent race , the results you would say are definitely not positive. The questions are where did the switch happen ? and was it a PTB switch ? ie have we gone and mucked it all up again ...

Further question to ponder. Were they ET race in first contact indeed Benevolent and once the PTB got the technology they wanted and started to misuse it, the ET race shrugged their shoulders and said " we tried " and then didnt return.


Cheers N

[dan33]

...and there is a comic about Serpo too.

http://aecomics.com/blog/rincon-independiente-serpo-gn/

Here's the 1 minute video trailer for the comic book: :)

It's quite good! (I'd never seen this before)

http://disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/48485/PROJECT_SERPO_DISCLOSURE__COMIC_BOOK_SERIES


http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/421869-Serpo_TPB_Cov_super.jpg


Serpo would be a wonderful movie!
Directed by Vincenzo Natali or Steven Soderbergh.
The cast: Jeremy Northam, Michael Madsen, Matt Dammon, James Woods, J. K. Simmons, Natalie Portman, Diane Venora, Kiefer Sutherland, Crispin Glover, Tom Hardy, Mark Ruffalo and Elias Koteas. (I think the cast it’s balanced) ;)

[str8thinker]

Apart from the radiation hazards posed by passing through the Van Allen Belt and galactic (extrasolar) cosmic rays, a little-known factor contributing to the miseries of those Serponauts is that weightlessness itself is now known to suppress the immune system, as well as reduce bone density and muscle mass.

Add to this the fact that the rate of bacterial mutation is increased in space (possibly due to increased bombardment by hard radiation) and it becomes less surprising that the survival rate of these guys was so low.

These factors were discussed recently by Michio Kaku in his Space Travel episode of The Universe, for any Aussies who watched the show.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8156-weightless-space-travel-may-suppress-immune-system.html
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/health/spaceflight-compromises-immune-system-of-astronauts_100364155.html

Another good reason for remaining an armchair astronaut.

[dan33]

Apart from the radiation hazards posed by passing through the Van Allen Belt and galactic (extrasolar) cosmic rays, a little-known factor contributing to the miseries of those Serponauts is that weightlessness itself is now known to suppress the immune system, as well as reduce bone density and muscle mass.

Add to this the fact that the rate of bacterial mutation is increased in space (possibly due to increased bombardment by hard radiation) and it becomes less surprising that the survival rate of these guys was so low.

These factors were discussed recently by Michio Kaku in his Space Travel episode of The Universe, for any Aussies who watched the show.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8156-weightless-space-travel-may-suppress-immune-system.html
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/health/spaceflight-compromises-immune-system-of-astronauts_100364155.html

Another good reason for remaining an armchair astronaut.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the trip to Serpo was not weightlessness, as I remembered. Even the Van Allen Belt and galactic (extrasolar) cosmic rays, would be no problem on a starship from Serpo. May be i miss something.
Thanks str8thinker.
Best, Daniel ;)

[str8thinker]

Hmm, I don't remember the details, but thanks for pointing that out.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

They were in stasis during the flight and the ship produced a gravitational atmos. I think the sickness was from being is a suspended state. perhaps not adapted to their bodies, if i remember correctly the ET's did give them things to adapt them for space travel as they went along .. the journey took about 8 months from memory. The ET race in particular were from a planet that specialises in mutatuing and experimenting with species. The ET's flying were specially made to endure extended flight in outer space.. id say the ships were resistant to radiation .. seems logical to me ..

N

[Heise]

On an unrelated note, Alex Collier mentioned that our military at the time of the Holloman Air Force meeting, that there was an exchange of personnel. Our military gave the Greys sixteen military personnel and that were supposed to be taken to the Greys’ point of origin and that they left us one or two guys or something of theirs along those same lines

[dan33]

QUOTE=Nanoo Nanoo;182898]They were in stasis during the flight N[/QUOTE]

The stasis was not cryogenic. During the trip, the team wake up several times. It's amazing how is written that part of the story. Seems so real. I remember the stasis on Planet of the Apes.

From 2:13
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[OnyxKnight]

The source also reportedly stated to Martinez that the home world of the alleged hostile alien species, the Trantaloids, "is the third planet out from the star Epsilon Eridani in the constellation Eridanus at 10.5 light-years away. Although somewhat cooler and fainter than our sun, it is very similar."

That, .... is an outright lie.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Once again Dan your selection is impeccable !

[OnyxKnight]

I forgot to say the last time - there was indeed an exchange program, confirmed by my ET contacts, but the destination they say, wasn't Zeta Reticuli.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I forgot to say the last time - there was indeed an exchange program, confirmed by my ET contacts, but the destination they say, wasn't Zeta Reticuli.

Thats makes sense .. they wouldnt divulge that info .

[Bill Ryan]

I forgot to say the last time - there was indeed an exchange program, confirmed by my ET contacts, but the destination they say, wasn't Zeta Reticuli.


That absolutely doesn't surprise me. Did they say which race (and which star system) the exchange program was with - and when it was?

[tunguska]

One of the most interesting subjects I have ever read

[str8thinker]

OnyxKnight, I'm glad you mentioned the trantaloids here as they weren't in your earlier comprehensive thread My ET contact experiences (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15909) where you described your menagerie. Can you tell us more of what you know about these beasties and whether there are any here on earth? I understand they're a bit like the "Bugs" on Klendathu in Starship Troopers.

[muxfolder]

Project Serpo-site was one of those I regularly looked for updates. Very interesting stuff indeed. I also recommended it to many of my friends too who were at the time more open minded than many others. After that I ended up to Project Camelot site as many of others have mentioned here. So who knows.. It might be why I'm here too.:)

[Axman]

Indeed serpo is why im here thats where it all started for me.

The Axman

[dan33]

OnyxKnight, I'm glad you mentioned the trantaloids here as they weren't in your earlier comprehensive thread My ET contact experiences (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15909) where you described your menagerie. Can you tell us more of what you know about these beasties and whether there are any here on earth? I understand they're a bit like the "Bugs" on Klendathu in Starship Troopers.

I'm going to print "My ET contact experiences" and read it carefully.
Thanks str8thinker and OnyxKnight.

[OnyxKnight]

I forgot to say the last time - there was indeed an exchange program, confirmed by my ET contacts, but the destination they say, wasn't Zeta Reticuli.

Thats makes sense .. they wouldnt divulge that info .

I agree completely.


OnyxKnight, I'm glad you mentioned the trantaloids here as they weren't in your earlier comprehensive thread My ET contact experiences (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15909) where you described your menagerie. Can you tell us more of what you know about these beasties and whether there are any here on earth? I understand they're a bit like the "Bugs" on Klendathu in Starship Troopers.

Well, what I was referring to is that, the system of Epsilon Eridani is not populated with these "trantaloid' creatures who seem to be quite monstrous in appearance from what I have read. I don't know if this trantaloid race exists or not (I don't have any information on that), but what I do know for sure is that they (if they exist) are not from Epsilon Eridani. Epsilon Eridani is populated by humanoid, human looking ETs who are colonists from the Tau Ceti system, and by the bigfoot-like giant and dwarf beings also present in Tau Ceti.

Regarding individuals from these two star systems, that are present on Earth today, there is one female in Mexico, and one male in Japan currently.



I forgot to say the last time - there was indeed an exchange program, confirmed by my ET contacts, but the destination they say, wasn't Zeta Reticuli.

That absolutely doesn't surprise me. Did they say which race (and which star system) the exchange program was with - and when it was?

Its one of the 'Gray' variants, of medium size (compared to average human height), and the star system is the binary star Zeta Trianguli Australis, it has a desert planet orbiting the common center of gravity between the two suns, and a couple of other smaller Pluto-sized planets with no atmosphere quite further away from the inhabited one.

[moon face alpha]

The one thing i can take from this subject with out going in to detail is that this subject is not only a mixture of disinformation but also most importantly truth,as long as there is just the smallest ounce of truth in this matter that's all the matters for me.

Just to add a small note for Bill and all those with whom he worked with on this subject,although the Project Serpo road so to speak may have come to a dead end, i am sure he can take from it considering his and Kerry s experience with the old man and the protection he was under that he(Bill) in a sense uncovered the truth,to me this in its self was a extremely important stretch of the Serpo road.

Thanks for your time and effort in this subject Bill.

[davewhite04]

I have been watching the "Awake and aware 2011" video and when Bill Ryan was introduced George Nory mentioned "Serpo - Human Exchange programme".

I've been completely oblivious of this "disinformation", until now...

The experience I had I have never shared with anyone, but I will now and it would be good if Bill elaborated somewhat on exactly what this "Serpo" thing is, and if it relates to my story.

I've found the website for this but it goes on and on like a forest, and I don't want to get confused I just want to throw this out there.

Here it goes...

In 2007 I was in a mental health hospital and an Indian male nurse was looking after me. I had recovered and was close to discharge. This is going to be very hard to believe or even entertain but this nurse communicated to "someone" using a earpiece which I could not see(it wasn't a Bluetooth mobile phone accessory!).

I witnessed one instance when a female nurse entered an office and was taking to "Mercury(the planet)" and returned here within a minute.

When she did return she acted insane, completely. Somehow they had returned her body without her "soul", she was a robot, but not a metal one.

In 2010(I have not been in hospital since 2007 and am perfectly sane, I suffer from bipolar which is a mood disorder, and that is all it is. Sometimes you are depressed and sometimes you are very happy and spend lots of money and things and don't go to work etc. which causes great disruption obviously) I saw both nurses again while I was working. Once when I visited my friend, his CPN(Community Psychiatric Nurse) was in fact that female nurse and the Indian male nurse who I am convinced is either alien or working for them.

In late 2010, it came to light that the Indian male nurse(who called himself "Harry") was an illegal immigrant and was sent back to India. The story made it into my local newspaper.

It is bizarre and I have been completely honest with everything I have said, and really just want to know if this has any relation to this "Serpo" thing? I prefer using this site then the serpo site as this is not convoluted with disinformation.

What this *could* mean is that not only is there possibly aliens or agents for them amongst us, but they are actually changing people, and it could be literally anyone. I don't know the scale of this operation, but I do know that Mercury(the planet) is involved, and I also believe India is.

I've experienced so many things which is why I keep tabs on stories(which 90% of the time I don't believe, but once in a while something pops up that rings true, like the David Icke experience when he saw Ted Heath's eyes turn completely black in front of him, I have witnessed this but it was no one famous).

Make what you will of this, I have just said what I saw and experienced.

NOTE:

Can this thread be moved to a more relevant area if I have made a mistake by posting in this sub-forum. Thanks

[sygh]

I've never seen anyone's eyes turn completely black, sorry. Ted Heath is dead, the man never married, he did have a younger brother.

Monty Python picked on him for his speech "impediment?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=NZByWk6SPM0

[davewhite04]

To be honest the black eye thing is something I have give up on... I did try to research it years ago but didn't really get anywhere.

That, plus now I question David Icke's motives has really shifted my mind completely away from it. I haven't really kept up to date with conspiracy theories etc. for sometime, too much disinformation I find.

I got interested once again in this when I read this article...

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2011/12/201112313753755193.html

It refers to "Anglo-Saxons" which I found a bit odd. This combined with the trouble in a Iran and the very real possibility of them or Israel sending a nuke got me thinking about the Anglo-Saxon mission(which I recommend everyone to read if they haven't already).

I've not held back with my post, and I hope it hasn't been a waste of time as I have said things that most people wouldn't admit or share.

Not sure if your post was meant to be informative or not, but it isn't an area I'm bothered about now. I used that as an example of how I discern the truth.

The website is slow, but here is a link to the Anglo-Saxon mission if your not interested in what I said, this interview seems to filled with potentially important information.

Anglo-Saxon mission (http://projectcamelot.org/anglo_saxon_mission.html)

[Daft Ada]

I found the serpo story a few years ago and read it all, it just had a ring of truth for me, but obviously you can't be certain you will find the full story here
http://serpo.org/

[davewhite04]

I found the serpo story a few years ago and read it all, it just had a ring of truth for me, but obviously you can't be certain you will find the full story here
http://serpo.org/

Thank you.

I think I will have to go into the forest to find my answers, but it'll be worth it.

This could be a very large piece of this very complex puzzle.

We have reptilians, greys, arians etc... why the heck are they all interested in this place? or us in particular?

My incline is that we are actually made in the image of the one God(capital G), and we have a piece of him(our eternal soul), and they want to know more(as they might not even of thought of the concept before they discovered us).

I also believe that they are MUCH older than us, and some defiantly live on this planet(they could be nations even). Our history might not be what is in our history books, mind wipes and God knows what... if a computer can be hacked, so can our brains...

Absolutely crazy, but it would explain ALOT.

Thank you again for the link.

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All:

Re Serpo, read this summary (please do this :) ):

http://serpo.org/final_update.php

As an addendum, I also heard this time last year from someone who back in the 70s had worked at NORAD -- where he'd heard scuttlebutt (informal rumor and chat) about Project Crystal Knight (the likely actual project name that Victor Martinez, Kerry and I had been told).

Here's his testimony published for the first time, very slightly edited.






My name is [full name given]. I am a professional electrical engineer specializing the rather esoteric field of electrostatics and electromagnetism in the electronics industry in [location given].




I worked at NORAD in 1976-1978. I was not what you would call a "senior level" military person back in those days. I was just a young airman. But, I did have the appropriate security clearances and the specific job classification necessary to have daily access to all areas of the Cheyenne Mountain complex for the three years I worked there.

What I recall hearing was primarily from the guys in the command center, is in my opinion, what you'd call "scuttlebutt". Common "around the coffee pot" type conversations. There was however, some excitement in the command center during a time period in July of 1978 from the guys working in the command center. As you may or may not know, the general "Top Secret" environment of the military is on a very "need to know" basis. The constant threat of "long prison sentences in Ft Leavenworth, or just mysteriously "disappearing from existence" were the most common punishment for speaking of classified information outside the community of "those who needed to know."

I recall hearing the words "Crystal Palace" and "Crystal Knight" from several different individuals on several occasions during the July 1978 time frame. I really did not give it any serious thought until just a few months ago, when I heard the phrase "Crystal Knight" once again. I heard from a friend that some of the project managers from the 1960's provided "deathbed" confessions of things they felt the citizens of the world should really be aware of.

I "Googled" Project Crystal Knight, and spent many hours researching the various tidbits of information. I explored all the possible "Internet links" regarding the planet Serpo (the "final destination" of this exchange program), the dates and locations in the USA where the exchanges had been made, and the general circumstances that led to the creation and negotiations of this ET exchange program. The scattered pieces of this puzzle started to make some sense now.

An interesting note: I really marveled between some of the similarities of Project Crystal Knight and the 1977 movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind".

I am one who is knowledgeable of the fact that our government hides certain truths in the guise of "National Security". In addition, I am also very curious and constantly exploring and searching for all the "pieces of the puzzle" so that some sensible and logical explanation can be compiled that satisfies my personal curiosity of "things". Lastly, I strongly and wholeheartedly consider the Crystal Knight project as a "very probable" event.

[Hermite]

Just wanted to tiptoe in here and talk about the eyes turning black thing. I have actually seen this, and so have several others, but it was in a somewhat different context. I heard about it when I was in recovery from a brutally abusive relationship with a psychopath. I was in a support group and the leader brought it up, having seen it when a psychopath goes into a rage. I was the first to speak up and say that I had seen the same thing. Then several other people came forward to verify that they had, as well. So it does happen, we're just not quite able to explain how. But it seems the pupil just expands to fill the entire eye and it is frightening to behold. Five people out of a group of twelve reported seeing the same thing.

Best regards to you, dave, bipolar disorder can be overcome with the right treatment.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Bill, I don't know alot about Serpo other than what you told us here... Worth a watch if you have not before or as a refresher as I am doing ......Steve

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[davewhite04]

Just wanted to tiptoe in here and talk about the eyes turning black thing. I have actually seen this, and so have several others, but it was in a somewhat different context. I heard about it when I was in recovery from a brutally abusive relationship with a psychopath. I was in a support group and the leader brought it up, having seen it when a psychopath goes into a rage. I was the first to speak up and say that I had seen the same thing. Then several other people came forward to verify that they had, as well. So it does happen, we're just not quite able to explain how. But it seems the pupil just expands to fill the entire eye and it is frightening to behold. Five people out of a group of twelve reported seeing the same thing.

Best regards to you, dave, bipolar disorder can be overcome with the right treatment.

Thank you and very nice to meet you.

The guy I saw was a bald middle aged white man, and he seemed very angry for some reason. Maybe it is a medical condition? I can't find anything on it.

I'm very sorry to hear about your story, I hope you are in a much safer environment now.

My bipolar has been stable for almost 4 years now, I think I've got the hang of the illness now B-)

Going to leave thread for a while as I want to try and find the article about this nurse being deported and look into this serpo.org site a little, well until it frazzles my mind.

[Daft Ada]

Thank you Bill that was an interesting and teasing bit of info. :cool: You rialise I'm now going to have to spend hours researching what the hell project Knight was :high5:

[Daft Ada]

I found the serpo story a few years ago and read it all, it just had a ring of truth for me, but obviously you can't be certain you will find the full story here
http://serpo.org/

Thank you.

I think I will have to go into the forest to find my answers, but it'll be worth it.

This could be a very large piece of this very complex puzzle.

We have reptilians, greys, arians etc... why the heck are they all interested in this place? or us in particular?

My incline is that we are actually made in the image of the one God(capital G), and we have a piece of him(our eternal soul), and they want to know more(as they might not even of thought of the concept before they discovered us).

I also believe that they are MUCH older than us, and some defiantly live on this planet(they could be nations even). Our history might not be what is in our history books, mind wipes and God knows what... if a computer can be hacked, so can our brains...

Absolutely crazy, but it would explain ALOT.

Thank you again for the link.

You are very welcome Dave, I have often wondered that myself, but I guess an advanced civilisation on finding a planet with life on it would want to investigate and studdy just like we would, The fact that they got here and not us going there indicates they are in advance of us And maybe for them it's like looking back in time to get answers about how they came to be, we spend vast amounts looking towards the centre of the galaxy to try and learn from the past. Although I really need that to be explained to me, because I would have thought that if there had been a big bang, surely the oldest things would be furthest out? so we should be looking away from the centre?

[ghostrider]

thanks Bill, your work on Serpo is how I found Camelot. and down the rabbit hole I went along for a wonderful ride into possibilities... reptilitans, Ufo's, time travel, cloning, Mk ultra, secret space programs, Bob Dean, John Lear, can't get enough of the world behind the world , please keep on keeping on to you and Kerry both....

[davewhite04]

I found the serpo story a few years ago and read it all, it just had a ring of truth for me, but obviously you can't be certain you will find the full story here
http://serpo.org/

Thank you.

I think I will have to go into the forest to find my answers, but it'll be worth it.

This could be a very large piece of this very complex puzzle.

We have reptilians, greys, arians etc... why the heck are they all interested in this place? or us in particular?

My incline is that we are actually made in the image of the one God(capital G), and we have a piece of him(our eternal soul), and they want to know more(as they might not even of thought of the concept before they discovered us).

I also believe that they are MUCH older than us, and some defiantly live on this planet(they could be nations even). Our history might not be what is in our history books, mind wipes and God knows what... if a computer can be hacked, so can our brains...

Absolutely crazy, but it would explain ALOT.

Thank you again for the link.

You are very welcome Dave, I have often wondered that myself, but I guess an advanced civilisation on finding a planet with life on it would want to investigate and studdy just like we would, The fact that they got here and not us going there indicates they are in advance of us And maybe for them it's like looking back in time to get answers about how they came to be, we spend vast amounts looking towards the centre of the galaxy to try and learn from the past. Although I really need that to be explained to me, because I would have thought that if there had been a big bang, surely the oldest things would be furthest out? so we should be looking away from the centre?

Hi mate,

Our galaxy is around 13.2 billion years old - the universe estimated to be slightly older, and our solar system about 4.5billion years old...

Incidentally since I have had feedback from this post I fell asleep and have been in a loop nightmare which I *think* I'm lucky to get out of....

EDIT:

You may know, but there is theoretically billions of stars with billions of solar systems within each of the billions of galaxies out there... we are so arrogant to think we are the only sentinel beings(well some scientists I mean, and people in general).

I suppose me referring to us having part of God in us that makes us unique is arrogant, but it's only an idea, something makes us interesting...

[davewhite04]

The one thing that stands out immediately to me regarding serpo, is cloning.

[Makoto]

Len Kasten (C2C/camelot radio interviewed author) He said that you gave him the idea of writing this book to begn with. This talk is titled "Poseidon Reborn." Len will discuss the revolutionary changes in technology, science and society as a result of the full disclosure of the alien presence. Information also included will be what we learned from the 13 year American habitation on the planet Serpo from 1965-1978.
December 4, 2011 1:30 PM - 10 attended(phoenix AZ)
Presentation by Len Kasten
http://www.meetup.com/Phoenix-Awake-and-Aware/events/40596212/
http://www.amazon.com/Secret-History-Extraterrestrials-Advanced-Technology/dp/1591431158
are you coming to Phoenix of UFO international congress this year? now we have more than 50 people in the group. if you are coming please let me know, we are all waiting for you.

[davewhite04]

I would like to point out that the Indian nurse was actually a very nice person, and not false at all. If anything, the female nurse was not particularly nice, which makes all of this even more confusing to me, maybe.

[crosby]

i must say, i'm at the serpo site now, and there is a vast amount of information on there. i will be busy with this for quite some time. very fascinating information i must say. thanks for the thread davewhite04, and to you Bill for your contribution. i had not remembered anything about the serpo information until today while reading this thread. i remember thinking about checking it out before, but i never quite got around to doing it. i'm glad i'm at it now. there really is so much to read. thanks again.
regards, corson

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Just a comment on the eyes black thing. I believe it is a case of an internal entity possession. I was having problems with rage. It was reaching a crisis point - my anger would get triggered and I would lose control. Once, in the middle of a rant, my 16 year old daughter walked out of the house. When asked why, she replied that my "eyes had turned black." I was answering the door with a loaded 9 mm and was becoming a bit unbalanced. Very violent thoughts.

That summer I went to Peru with Alberto Villoldo's Four Winds group. When I almost attached two men for making rather harmless drunken remarks to a friend, one of the Shamans tested me for entity possession. During an extraction ceremony, I FELT the entity lodged in my base chakra. After it was removed, I held the crystal used in the ceremony and felt it pulsing with energy. The entity was returned to Source. It was subsequently revealed to me when and how this entity was "invited" in... Long story short, I have zero problems with anger or rage. It was a night and day scenario. I would not have believed any of this, and I understand that it may sound strange... but "There are more things in Heaven and Earth... than are dreamt of in your philosophies".. Peace.

[58andfixed]

I'm with Bill Ryan on this topic.

Each person has to put into perspective when questions are framed and answers sought. The answers available may not be useful at this point in time, and one either sets aside the curiosity and move onto other rabbit holes, with maybe an understanding of why, or uses up time that would otherwise go unattended to examining other issues.

I believe Stanton Friedman called this spot his 'gray basket,' and Philip Corso referred to this process as parking information in the 'back of his mind,' that may help solve some other riddle down the road.

The question still has value, and sharing the path of discovery can be of value to others.

- 58

[davewhite04]

I'm with Bill Ryan on this topic.

Each person has to put into perspective when questions are framed and answers sought. The answers available may not be useful at this point in time, and one either sets aside the curiosity and move onto other rabbit holes, with maybe an understanding of why.

I believe Stanton Friedman called this spot his 'gray basket,' and Philip Corso referred to this process as parking information in the 'back of his mind,' that may help solve some other riddle down the road.

The question still has value, and sharing the path of discovery can be of value to others.

- 58

Hi

I'm not sure I completely understand what your saying, but if it boils down to saying "look into something else, as this is a grey area", then I have to strongly disagree.

No stone should be left unturned in my opinion... and judging by the evidence and interest this or these(black eyes) areas have, it is a valid area to look into.

I could have misunderstood you, but just because some people have discarded this subject it certainly doesn't mean everyone should.

Go with your intuition is my motto.

[58andfixed]

It's all ok DaveWhite04. I'll expand.

Each of us, in the choosing of our personal paths, will frequently come upon some curiosity that has at least the following issues:

1. High quantity of dis-information.
2. Contradicting or conflicting bits of information.
3. Missing or incomplete information.

So at times, it may be worthwhile examining some other curiosity, and setting aside of what has been collected so far, and simply letting synchronicity and/or time show up with anything that is available at that time. For me, I seem to always have a 'list of curiosities' that require further vetting.

In addition, sometimes I have thought that I had complete information, took a firm perspective on an issue, only to discover that I had been duped -- and this can be an important lesson as well.

Now, some individuals may prefer to be the lonely fish that swims against the tide, and spend the rest of their life on some one seemingly insignificant curiosity.

I'm not here to tell someone else what to do, just that for me the issue of SERPO, as Bill Ryan as summarized in the video posted above, there isn't sufficient, coherent, unambiguous information to make any clear & absolute statements that adds to the bigger picture about the developing world-wide economic chaos, particularly in the realm of sustainable and just solutions -- at this point in time. Certainly there are the seeds of some intriguing pieces so far.

On the side-issue of 'intuition,' my experience is that intuition is frequently clouded with the conscious & cognitive processes, including projection -- and I personally prefer 'notions,' which are ideas that seem to float in, seemingly untriggered by visual or contemplative stimulus, so the probability of 'notions' coming from the collective unconscious, or even a Divine Source, is higher.

If you are familiar with the BBC documentary "The Secret You" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HfuVrQhykE) by Marcus du Sautoy, when he described his experience of dreamily staring outside of the train window one day, after a protracted period of attempting to resolve a problem, how the solution seemed to 'suddenly pop in.' I would use that process to explain the difference between the process of a 'notion' as a different process than that of 'intuition.'

While I don't agree with everything Sonia Choquette (http://www.soniachoquette.com/), she at least does acknowledge that working with 'notions' can take quite a bit of training, aka experience, to gain a sense of what they are, and how to work with them -- as opposed to 'intuition.'

Again -- from my personal experience, my perspective. Just that I find it uncommon, and well worth putting these ideas and discernments out there, with the intention that good ideas stand the test of time, and potentially guide more people to reaching a functional state of unity sooner, than if they had to re-discover each and every seeming little issue from scratch.

BTW, thank you for piping up to allow me further discourse and clarification on these two related issues.

HTH

- 58



I'm with Bill Ryan on this topic.

Each person has to put into perspective when questions are framed and answers sought. The answers available may not be useful at this point in time, and one either sets aside the curiosity and move onto other rabbit holes, with maybe an understanding of why.

I believe Stanton Friedman called this spot his 'gray basket,' and Philip Corso referred to this process as parking information in the 'back of his mind,' that may help solve some other riddle down the road.

The question still has value, and sharing the path of discovery can be of value to others.

- 58

Hi

I'm not sure I completely understand what your saying, but if it boils down to saying "look into something else, as this is a grey area", then I have to strongly disagree.

No stone should be left unturned in my opinion... and judging by the evidence and interest this or these(black eyes) areas have, it is a valid area to look into.

I could have misunderstood you, but just because some people have discarded this subject it certainly doesn't mean everyone should.

Go with your intuition is my motto.

[davewhite04]

58andfixed,

Hi, some very logical and interesting knowledge you have shared, thank you.

I also believe in "smoke screens" heavily, and the apparent chaos surrounding us at this point in time, might just be that.

However, I have never took much notice of this subject until I found evidence to suggest that my experience actually had some backing, and when this happens to you(something based on an actual experience by yourself) the puzzle looks slightly different.

Unfortunately disinformation is evident in just about every area of conspiracy theories, so really no idea should be accepted as truth, just entertained while you build somewhat of a jigsaw as time goes by.

No one should accept something as truth, no matter whose lips it comes from.

Thank you again.

[ketikoti]

Just stumbled on a short video presentation of 3 mins. of someone who had some arguments in favor of the idea that the Serpo exchange mission might have been a mission to Mars. In it is also a short clip of an interview with astronaut Capt. Gene Cernan with Fox News slipping his tongue that we should go back to Mars (!?!?!)

http://vimeo.com/31215492
Project Crystal Knight: A trip to Mars?
by Ken Surgent

http://vimeo.com/31215492


== Edit ==
By the way, this is a very short presentation you shouldn't miss!!! Very convincing Mars Rover pictures of creatures (and not artefacts!):
http://vimeo.com/31215801
Life on Mars: Creatures
by Ken Surgent

http://vimeo.com/31215801

[ghostrider]

I did some work for a tenant who is from mexico, I needed a second pair of hands to place an overhead cover back on in the hallway, he came up to me with huge reptilian eyes and I looked dead at him and he quickly closed his eyes tightly for ten seconds or so and when he opened them they were back to normal. I caught him off guard, it was a little spooky. weather conditions never affect him , it could be ten below and he would be outside in a t-shirt tinkering with his car, or a hundred and ten same result. alot of folks in and out of his home constantly, mostly they stand around outside and look at people but always keeping to themselves. you get that , they don't belong here feeling. they have no expression, ever, they just don't fit in. they could very well be exchanging people one at a time... I think the serpo project is true.

[wolf_rt]

Found this interesting. from 'release 11'

"J-ROD was a cloned Eben, created by the Ebens, who came as another type of visitor. J-ROD is a very complicated matter and the entire story will never be made public. The exact type of entity J-ROD was shall remain classified as "Above Top Secret." "

Seems pretty obvious to me that this indicates that J-ROD was a 'human' in form...

[bruno dante]

On Coast to Coast tonight...

"UFO and paranormal researcher Len Kasten will discuss the alleged secret government exchange program with
et's from the planet Serpo. He says he's chronicled the complete journey of the Serpo team using the expedition commander's diary and his communications with the US Defense Intelligence Agency's directors in charge of the program, and their contact with a race called the Ebens."

Very interested in what Bill has to say here. Is the diary a new development?

[etheric underground]

I read the whole serpo memorandum years ago.....it isnt new, it may have just resurfaced....very interesting.

[ExomatrixTV]

http://serpo.org :wizard:

[bruno dante]

The show was cancelled last night in favor of the Boston marathon coverage,which was a massive disappointment. I don't mean to sound unfeeling, but every news station in the bloody country is carrying coverage of that in a 24hr loop...I can only take so.much.

I'm not sure exactly which day it has been rescheduled for, but I'll post when I find out...

[Bill Ryan]

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Re the Coast to Coast show with author Len Kasten tonight (Mon 22 April 2013), I wrote to George Noory and his producers a couple of days ago:




Dear George, Lisa, Tom, All,

You will remember me from my appearance on the show in December 2005 re the Serpo Project (probable real name: Project Crystal Knight). I am pleased that Len Kasten will be on the show Monday to discuss his book on the project.

I'd be very happy to make myself for a brief appearance to add my $.02 worth (maybe a little more!). I know Len -- although I have NOT read his book -- and he was kind enough to ask me to write a foreword to it, which I confess I never got round to doing. If I had, I would have expanded on the following points which I would like to share if you are generous enough to offer me the opportunity on air:

The reports are largely fiction (the staged 'releases' got more and more crazy) -- and there is evidence that the CIA, or at least one other agency, was grossly interfering with the DIA's planned partial release. But the stories do contain a core of truth. An exchange did happen.

That an exchange did happen is confirmed by Bill Hamilton, Linda Howe, John Lear, and UFO documentarian Bob Emenegger. They all say that the team of US military scientists that went on the exchange numbered three -- not 12 -- one of whom died, one returned but was insane, and the third returned intact and compos mentis. I believe Linda Howe knows the name of the survivor, and will confirm.

I came across several strong circumstantial confirmations of the story. Kerry Cassidy (of Project Camelot) and I were given the name of a reserve astronaut who was supposed to be still alive, then in his 70s. I would not reveal his name on air. But we looked him up on Google, and to our astonishment found his name and address and phone number. That was someone's blunder.

So we planned a trip to his front door -- not to ambush him, but to deliver a well-written letter asking him to talk to us off-record. We hatched this plan at short notice while on the road, and never told a soul about it in writing or in person. When we drove up to his gate, his wife was waiting for us (and he was waiting at the door, 20 years away -- a tall, athletic man who appeared to be in his 70s). His wife tersely took the letter without a word.

Clearly we had been expected, and our journey was tracked and/or bugged. We handed over the letter politely, but were never contacted... except for three months later, when I got an angry e-mail from Dr Christopher "Kit" Green. It berated me for "harassing the old man". (Thanks, Kit, for the confirmation! That was your mistake.)

We also heard about a retired AF Colonel of 33 years experience, not on the internet, who was given a hard copy print-out of all the initial Serpo releases. He responded, shocked: "My God, how could they release all this classified information?" He then went totally dark, and I was unable to find out more.

Rick Doty was definitely involved in the story. Kerry and I met with him personally, off-record, in LA for three hours in early 2006 at Kerry's house. He was genuinely bothered and frustrated. He said the release was getting all messed up. He insisted he was just a small-part player behind the scenes. "If I was managing all this", he told us, "It'd be a class act."

Later, I received a long letter from someone who had been working in NORAD in the 70s. He had Top Secret access, and told me that there was a lot of 'scuttlebutt' about a highly secret project that had been called "Project Crystal Knight". He did not know what it was at the time, but years later, after reading the Serpo material, realized that this was what was being referred to. The late Dr Fred Bell also told Dr Bill Deagle in a radio show that he too had heard of the exchange program several years before it was publicized in 2005. There is no smoke without fire.

With my best wishes --

Bill Ryan
PROJECT AVALON
PROJECT CAMELOT
I've not received a reply, and will be surprised now if I'm invited on the show at very short notice. I confess I was disappointed, as I could have told a very good (and interesting) story or two, and woven it all into the foundation of Projects Camelot and Avalon.

[Star Tsar]

I'm sure I speak for the rest of Avalon when I say we are disappointed too however one could always share here Bill I feel we would be a far more appreciative audience...

:o

[Adi]

I'm sure I speak for the rest of Avalon when I say we are disappointed too however one could always share here Bill I feel we would be a far more appreciative audience...

:o

And I second that :)

Adi.

[bruno dante]

Well you've beaten me to it Bill;)...the Serpo program will indeed be airing tonight. I'm very excited.

How did you reach the producers? Is there a public email address? For what it's worth, I'd like to write in myself(and perhaps a few others here) and request your presence on the show. Maybe with a little Avalonian magic.we.could get you on...

[bruno dante]

OK..just discovered the producer's emails.on the coast site..

Sent off what I felt was a pretty persuasive request. Lives were not threatened;) but I did the next best thing - I begged.

Either way I'm looking forward to a fascinating show.

[Star Tsar]

Glad you made it onto the show Bill!

:cool:

Already posted by anin on the Up @ The Ranch thread belongs here too!

5wV61m98lCI

[ThePythonicCow]

Glad you made it onto the show Bill!

:cool:

Already posted by anin on the Up @ The Ranch thread belongs here too!

5wV61m98lCI

Bill made it - back in December of 2005. To be clear, the show you posted is this one: Project Serpo - Date: 12-06-05 - Coast to Coast AM with George Noory (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2005/12/06).

[aniN]

this is the latest one on C2Cam in April 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tlhDzrmr5A without Bill :)

[Star Tsar]

Oh no shame on me! apologies to all!
:o:o:o

Still a great listen I had not heard it before this time.

:o

[aniN]

Oh no shame on me! apologies to all!
:o:o:o

Still a great listen I had not heard it before this time.

:o

Well I didn't wrote it in the other thread when this interview was made. I made a correction now.

[jagman]

-------

Re the Coast to Coast show with author Len Kasten tonight (Mon 22 April 2013), I wrote to George Noory and his producers a couple of days ago:




Dear George, Lisa, Tom, All,

You will remember me from my appearance on the show in December 2005 re the Serpo Project (probable real name: Project Crystal Knight). I am pleased that Len Kasten will be on the show Monday to discuss his book on the project.

I'd be very happy to make myself for a brief appearance to add my $.02 worth (maybe a little more!). I know Len -- although I have NOT read his book -- and he was kind enough to ask me to write a foreword to it, which I confess I never got round to doing. If I had, I would have expanded on the following points which I would like to share if you are generous enough to offer me the opportunity on air:

The reports are largely fiction (the staged 'releases' got more and more crazy) -- and there is evidence that the CIA, or at least one other agency, was grossly interfering with the DIA's planned partial release. But the stories do contain a core of truth. An exchange did happen.

That an exchange did happen is confirmed by Bill Hamilton, Linda Howe, John Lear, and UFO documentarian Bob Emenegger. They all say that the team of US military scientists that went on the exchange numbered three -- not 12 -- one of whom died, one returned but was insane, and the third returned intact and compos mentis. I believe Linda Howe knows the name of the survivor, and will confirm.

I came across several strong circumstantial confirmations of the story. Kerry Cassidy (of Project Camelot) and I were given the name of a reserve astronaut who was supposed to be still alive, then in his 70s. I would not reveal his name on air. But we looked him up on Google, and to our astonishment found his name and address and phone number. That was someone's blunder.

So we planned a trip to his front door -- not to ambush him, but to deliver a well-written letter asking him to talk to us off-record. We hatched this plan at short notice while on the road, and never told a soul about it in writing or in person. When we drove up to his gate, his wife was waiting for us (and he was waiting at the door, 20 years away -- a tall, athletic man who appeared to be in his 70s). His wife tersely took the letter without a word.

Clearly we had been expected, and our journey was tracked and/or bugged. We handed over the letter politely, but were never contacted... except for three months later, when I got an angry e-mail from Dr Christopher "Kit" Green. It berated me for "harassing the old man". (Thanks, Kit, for the confirmation! That was your mistake.)

We also heard about a retired AF Colonel of 33 years experience, not on the internet, who was given a hard copy print-out of all the initial Serpo releases. He responded, shocked: "My God, how could they release all this classified information?" He then went totally dark, and I was unable to find out more.

Rick Doty was definitely involved in the story. Kerry and I met with him personally, off-record, in LA for three hours in early 2006 at Kerry's house. He was genuinely bothered and frustrated. He said the release was getting all messed up. He insisted he was just a small-part player behind the scenes. "If I was managing all this", he told us, "It'd be a class act."

Later, I received a long letter from someone who had been working in NORAD in the 70s. He had Top Secret access, and told me that there was a lot of 'scuttlebutt' about a highly secret project that had been called "Project Crystal Knight". He did not know what it was at the time, but years later, after reading the Serpo material, realized that this was what was being referred to. The late Dr Fred Bell also told Dr Bill Deagle in a radio show that he too had heard of the exchange program several years before it was publicized in 2005. There is no smoke without fire.

With my best wishes --

Bill Ryan
PROJECT AVALON
PROJECT CAMELOT
I've not received a reply, and will be surprised now if I'm invited on the show at very short notice. I confess I was disappointed, as I could have told a very good (and interesting) story or two, and woven it all into the foundation of Projects Camelot and Avalon.

Hello Bill, I wish George would have had you on last night. I listened to your
interview years ago and it was fantastic! Len Kasten referenced you several
times last night. Len said when he went to the Ufo congress in Nevada in
2006 he was in awe of the serpo story you told.. Len IMO did an alright
job in explaining serpo but your interview was a true Coast Classic!
Bill I do have a question. Len said last night that the ebens believed in
a Creator or God. Did they have a name that they called their God?

[HaveBlue]

As soon as I saw the name Rick Doty when following the serpo story, I knew it would be disinfo at best, total rubbish at worst.

Doty was part of the Paul Bennawitz psyop and drove him to suicide.

The only purpose for the serpo story is to distract people away from something else.

Nobody should be impressed by the 'such great detail' that is often referred to.

Govt psyop teams have as much of your tax dollars to spend and time to spend on such detail.

[Heise]

I used to love reading all of the hidden project/surreal UFO type stories. I tended to believe them just because I wanted them to be true, and for the most part they sounded so plausible. The first time I ever investigated anything in depth though, I realised how stupid I'd been putting my trust in a bunch of anonymous storytellers and duped "researchers". This stinks of the same pile of hoping its plausible because it sounds so fascinating.


However, as soon as one starts properly digging into these stories, they start to collapse in on themselves like a poorly constructed escape tunnel. That alone should be enough to convince most people that something isn't quite right with the story in the first place. It's convincing the rest that is the challenge.

[Bill Ryan]

Hello Bill, I wish George would have had you on last night. I listened to your
interview years ago and it was fantastic! Len Kasten referenced you several
times last night. Len said when he went to the Ufo congress in Nevada in
2006 he was in awe of the serpo story you told.. Len IMO did an alright
job in explaining serpo but your interview was a true Coast Classic!
Bill I do have a question. Len said last night that the ebens believed in
a Creator or God. Did they have a name that they called their God?

No such name was ever reported. It should be noted that I (like many others) hold much of the claimed testimony in the Commander's diaries in very considerable doubt. I believe Len Kasten was pretty naive to take it all at face value. A little intelligent research puts a rather different slant on things.

To wit: I went through the 'diaries' line by line, and it was clear (from significant typo homophones such as 'hostel' for 'hostile') that the so-called diaries were actually audio transcripts. I guessed that the stream-of-consciousness format of the audio was from hypnosis sessions, and Victor Martinez agreed with me. Assuming that's what happened, this alone would explain a great deal.

Imagine for a moment the sanest of the three -- not 12! -- scientists returning to Earth as more or less intact but with (at least) partial amnesia. Hypnosis would have been used to try to extract what really happened up there. And the mental capacity and deep implanting knowledge of the Greys/'Ebens' would have been enough to scramble any testimony. What really happened we do not know, and the USG still may not really know either.

[mojo]

... from the Kevin Moore Show sharing about Project Serpo with guest Chris Iverson.

Question, if the exchange programs are still ongoing as Iverson states could there be humans allowed to work with ETs outside of such programs like Serpo? Would our gov allow it if people on the project witnessed other humans living or being on a foreign planet?

QYyzH0uIRBE

[SEAM]

Secret Journey to Planet Serpo

Did a delegation of US military personnel really visit another planet back in the 1960's? Was this journey the secret inspiration for the film Close Encounters of the Third Kind? This week on Dreamland, we explore these questions with UFO researcher Len Kasten, who has found some provocative evidence that this legendary journey might actually have taken place.

Len Kasten is a longtime UFO researchers, a member of the Mutual UFO Network and of the former National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena. His articles have appeared in Atlantis Rising and New Dawn magazines, and he is also the author of the Secret History of Extraterrestrials.

Whitley Strieber comments, "I heard a rumor about this from a well-placed scientist back in 1995, so when it surfaced again, I was interested, but I've always had trouble believing that it could be true. Len Kasten makes a good case, and turns up some surprising evidence."

Original source: http://www.unknowncountry.com/dreamland/latest#ixzz2jJaoBrbo

http://www.serpo.org/article6.php

Interview with Whitley Strieber :http://www.strieber.com/streaming/102513.mp3

[mountain_jim]

In the other thread Bill mentioned volunteering to appear on this show but was not included, apparently.

[Bill Ryan]

This was interesting, sent to me by Dan33 as a Visitor Message. (I can say that here, as it's publicly visible. :) )

On this discussion thread, there's an individual (312_oay) who's claiming to know a lot of stuff... a kind of "Ask Me Anything" kind of thing.


http://ummo-ciencias.org/Cartas/W5.html

Dan directed me to posts 312-62 and 312-64.

312-62: 312_oay was asked:
Good morning @312_oay I read what I could find on SERPO (http://serpo.org). Can you tell us frankly if this top secret exchange program of twelve US military personnel to this planet of Zeta Reticuli really took place ? Thank you
The answer:
An exchange protocol was indeed agreed but few trips took place. The provided link contains a large majority of self-contradicting fictional accounts. The described colony, actually orbiting the HD 32923 binary star, is in no way linked to the visitors mentioned in the preamble.
312-64: he was asked:
As I understand your answer, the planet orbiting HD 32923 (SERPO) is a “colony” (a Rept colony I guess) but, nevertheless, you maintain on OOMO an embassy from that colonized planet. I clearly don’t understand exopolitics.
The answer:
Your understanding is correct. This specific planet, the smallest we know among their many colonies, was artificially adapted long ago to deport people from their own home world, seized forcefully. This is their only colony allowed to deal with visitors and foreign diplomacy.
Of course, I can't vouch for any of this, and was able to find almost nothing on HD 32923 (though some binary star systems do indeed have planets). His first answer I believe was correct: a lot of the reports on serpo.org (http://serpo.org) were heavily fictionalized. (And there were 3 military astronauts, not 12.) But yes, an exchange program (of sorts!) did take place.

[dan33]

I have found these two books. They look like transcripts from the serpo.org website.

https://es.1lib.limited/s/serpo


Bill Ryan. On this discussion thread, there's an individual (312_oay) who's claiming to know a lot of stuff... a kind of "Ask Me Anything" kind of thing.

312 _oay claims to be an expeditionary from planet UMMO. They have been sending letters since 1966. Now they use Tweeter.

[Bill Ryan]

I have found these two books. They look like transcripts from the serpo.org website.

https://es.1lib.limited/s/serpo

Yes, many thanks. I'd not heard of the Richard Dempsey book, so I can't comment on that. Len Kasten's book has been out for over a decade and was simply a cheap-and-easy republishing of the "Serpo releases".

He was kind enough to ask me to write a foreword, but I was too late in my response and so I missed my chance to add some reason, logic, history and factual background to it all, which just in a few pages might have quadrupled the value of the book. :)

[muxfolder]

Coming up on The Why Files!
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[muxfolder]

Project Serpo webpage is probably the reason why I'm here in the first place because that's how I found Project Camelot as well. :)

[Inversion]

Coming up on The Why Files!
50Y5r9HeR2w

The following is a list of what AJ said in the video you posted.

Twelve team members went to Serpo, and they came back thirteen years later.

He talked about Sheep Dipped (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sheep%20dipped) which is an intelligence term meaning to erase someone's identity.

The actual name of Project Serpo is Project Crystal Knight (https://www.exopaedia.org/Crystal+Knight+Project).

The alien race they interacted with are known as Eben/EBE.

The human team brought forty tons of gear on sixteen pallets.

It took ten months to travel to planet Serpo.

They were sick during the trip.

When they arrived, they were issued sunglasses.

It was 107 degrees with two suns in the sky.

At 13:58 he shows the only leaked image of the mission which was the two suns.

They couldn't tell the Ebens apart unless they were wearing uniforms.

The Eben day is 40 hours.

They cloned one of their dead team members and created hybrids.

Serpo is 40 light years away.

It reached 120-130 degree on their planet, and they received radiation poisoning from their suns.

Only 8 of the 12 team members returned to earth and two decided to stay.

They all died young after returning due to radiation.

The last man died in 2002.

There's a 3,000-page report on their experience.

[Bill Ryan]

Coming up on The Why Files!
50Y5r9HeR2w

The following is a list of what AJ said in the video you posted.

Thanks! That saves me the trouble of watching it. :P

There's a serious moral to this kind of story. It's closely related to that decades-old adage that when you've actually witnessed an event later reported in the newspapers, you see just wildly wrong the reports nearly always are.

So it is with this. It's lazy, click-bait video-making. You see this everywhere, all done for easy money.

There's not much real journalism anywhere in the alternative media. There's plenty of storytelling, but good, careful journalism is something rather different.

It would have been easy for them to find me and ask me some questions. (Or even skim the important posts on this thread, which contains everything.) All they did here was repeat what has become a kind of meme, with little precise truth to it. The Serpo exchange did happen, for sure, but not in the way that's now become casually and uncritically accepted.

[Casey Claar]

Great. Now I am going to have to read the whole thread. And follow all the links. Thanks. lol

[Bill Ryan]

Great. Now I am going to have to read the whole thread. And follow all the links. Thanks. lol
Ha. I apologize! I should maybe have been a little less cynical. :)

Page 1 of this thread is really all you need to read, but in particular my long and detailed post #5 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16571-Project-Serpo--aka-Project-Crystal-Knight--the-whole-story&p=177999&viewfull=1#post177999) and also my post #6 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16571-Project-Serpo--aka-Project-Crystal-Knight--the-whole-story&p=178015&viewfull=1#post178015), an interesting update which follows it.

:thumbsup:

[Casey Claar]

Ooooooh, yeah, thanks for the cliff notes there, Bill. I will add this to my study docket. Fascinating subject, of course.

[Bill Ryan]

Ooooooh, yeah, thanks for the cliff notes there, Bill. I will add this to my study docket. Fascinating subject, of course.Good! Do please add my short post #17 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16571-Project-Serpo--aka-Project-Crystal-Knight--the-whole-story&p=178154&viewfull=1#post178154) to the list (also on page 1).

The top-line summary is that there indeed was an exchange program, with three military astronauts, not 12. But the mission was a failure: one died, one went insane, and only one returned in one piece.

Linda Howe knows and once published the names of the three, but the details are now in her archives behind her Earthfiles.com paywall. Many many other interesting things happened along the way, and I spent quite a lot of tine with Hal Puthoff and Chris (Kit) Green, who were both deeply interested in the stories that were suddenly emerging. Many were, and it was a huge thing in the alt media back at the time (2005-2006).

[Kryztian]

Coming up on The Why Files!
50Y5r9HeR2w

The following is a list of what AJ said in the video you posted.

Thanks! That saves me the trouble of watching it. :P

There's a serious moral to this kind of story. It's closely related to that decades-old adage that when you've actually witnessed an event later reported in the newspapers, you see just wildly wrong the reports nearly always are.



Inversion has a good synopsis of the first two thirds of the story, BUT, at the end, "A.J.", the narrator, looks at how the story got to us. Beginning at 24:20, he puts the story in context. There is much discussion of Richard Doty, but also, "The Team of Five", which consists of Christopher Green, Harold Putoff, Richard C. Doty, Victor Martinez and Bill Ryan. A.J. goes on to say that many of the five are C.I.A. or military intelligence! (and not much more said about this.)

Whatever you might think of the research and content, this is a popular Youtube Channel and the stories are well presented.

[Agape]

Project Serpo webpage is probably the reason why I'm here in the first place because that's how I found Project Camelot as well. :)

It’s how I found about Bill Ryan and back then Open Minds forum the first time in 2005/6 reading through the Serpo Project files while new updates were added in the years to come.
I felt it’s a genuine record of events of some kind even if professionally altered and heavily transcripted in order to protect the original logs and data that would probably look much less like narrative ( and who knows what they entail).

After so many years of inspection and introspection on information available to us which is partially too vast on the ET side but has clear cut edges per human view
I think that Steven Spielberg in his movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind preserves completely wholesome memory and meaning related to the Project Serpo exchange but as also captured within the movie itself
the “exchange project” has been ongoing for very long time [ at least from human perspective ] and some people who have been “invited”( rather than crudely abducted) are returned after decades, perhaps centuries in some cases,
some never return.
Most cases are nearly nameless people , that part is extremely confusing for human authorities and all we know of human authorities is they require proof and record of everything hence also Project Serpo.

In The Close Encounters of Third Kind movie one controversy follows another ( it’s why is it so honest to topic and entertaining drama at the same time) till the very end when from( about) 12 astronauts delegated and well prepared for the exchange the 13th man is picked who is one of the heroes of the movie not because he’s “well prepped” but because he has inner connection and love for the other Beings.

Conclusion: secret or not the Project has probably been staged and failed many times in human history because of some kind of ignorance on the human side of matters
while in the meantime thousands of people have been relocated to other planets
more less successfully
and some have been returned to assist this planet now or in future.

When I read through and about Project Serpo I became quite attached to it and the storyline for timebeing as something of extraordinary importance that I couldn’t pin point in relation to my own ET Contact and its possible future timelines ..

While overfocusing on the narrow timeline made me partially distracted from seeing broad spectre of things but now after many years I’m seeing this without the specs and think,
it’s all rare but open option while not many humans would “really” choose to go.



🙏🦢🌟

[Inversion]

According to this pdf Ronald Reagan was briefed on the story at Camp David. The audio tapes were in the possession of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). There' an image of Ron during his alien threat speech to the United Nations on 09/21/87. The document also contains references to Close Encounters of the Third Kind. People started to suspect the movie was a fictionalized version of actual events. Use the pdf magnifying glass search icon due to the lack of page numbers.

About the movie: pdf (https://files.secure.website/wscfus/10582237/26661334/secret-journey-to-planet-serpo-a-true-story-of-interplanetary-travel-by-len-kasten.pdf)

About Reagan: pdf (https://files.secure.website/wscfus/10582237/26661334/secret-journey-to-planet-serpo-a-true-story-of-interplanetary-travel-by-len-kasten.pdf)

Alien threat video: link (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118618-The-Washington-DC-Boundary-Stones-and-M42&p=1503907&viewfull=1#post1503907)

serpo.org (http://www.serpo.org/)

[iota]

i realize i am very, very late to this conversation

but after my own fashion, i did a bit of my own research on this

and was just transfixed by this video

that i was absolutely compelled to watch it ALL the way to the end

but not for what it said, i could have muted it

what i found absolutely fascinating was Kerry Cassidy and her expressions

her expressions towards Bill

for one, she smiled .. there are circles she is referred to as "dragon lady" (not by me)

i dont thnk i had EVER seen her smile before

the softness, almost sweetness, come hitherto nods and smiles were absolutely enchanting

i can see why mr ryan would drop all else just to bask in this ...

:Angel:



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please forgive me if this was previously posted

[scotslad]

The alien/human exchange programme that is now legendary...

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Note from Bill:
This is Len Kasten, who barely knows a thing about all this, and wrote a book about it based solely on the 2005-6 releases, with no other backstory.

[Olaf]

The Ummites (humans from Planet Ummo/Oomo) now have confirmed project SERPO

There is a long history of contacts from extraterestrials from planet UMMO ongoing since the 50s. First they contacted scientists and artist in several countries by sending them letters.
The contact has lasted for more than 60 years. Since 2012, the people from Ummo have also been active with several accounts on Twitter (now "X"), mainly answering questions about exopolitics.


Spanish website: http://www.ummo-ciencias.org/
French website: http://www.ummo-sciences.org/
German website: https://www.cosmic-library.de/ummo/

In 2023, they have broken their reticence a bit and reported some facts about two species from Orion and Taurus that have signed agreements with the terrestrial military blocs. One with NATO countries, the other with today's BRICS states.

In this context, they also report on Project SERPO and confirm its authenticity.


***

I am posting some of the relevant tweets here. More can be found on the websites linked above, in particular:


W2 Tweets from OYAGAA AYUYISAA

French: http://www.ummo-sciences.org/fr/W2-2023.htm
German: https://www.cosmic-library.de/ummo/de/W2-2023_de.htm


W5 Tweets from 312 OAY

French: https://www.ummo-sciences.org/fr/W5.htm
German: https://www.cosmic-library.de/ummo/de/W5_de.htm



***

March 8, 2023:

Q:
On how many inhabited planets do you have an Ambassador?
Thanks

A:
We can arrange on OOMO up to twelve habitable modules for visitors. We only exchange embassies with a few ethnicities, to maintain purely formal relationships. We have such formal exchanges, for example, with the OYAA you sometimes refer to as "Second EBEns Race Point of Origin". (SERPO)
(OYAA translates "cold star")



March 10, 2023:

Q:
Where were the participants in the SERPO project taken?
It certainly doesn't look like they went to a main Grey system but instead to a second-class colonised planet.
Could you give us some info?
Thanks.

A:
The specific use by your officials of the term "Point of Origin" indicates without a doubt that they are aware of the existence of a plurality of these points. This is an umbrella term. It does not refer to the exact homeland planet which is prohibited to all the other travelers.


April 29, 2023

Q:
Good morning @312_oay
I read what I could find on SERPO (http://serpo.org).
Can you tell us frankly if this top secret exchange program of twelve US military personnel to this planet of Zeta Reticuli really took place ?
Thank you

A:
An exchange protocol was indeed agreed but few trips took place. The provided link contains a large majority of self-contradicting fictional accounts.
The described colony, actually orbiting the HD 32923 binary star, is in no way linked to the visitors mentioned in the preamble.


May, 14, 2023

Q:
As I understand your answer, the planet orbiting HD 32923 (SERPO) is a “colony” (a Rept colony I guess) but, nevertheless, you maintain on OOMO an embassy from that colonized planet.
I clearly don’t understand exopolitics.

A:
Your understanding is correct. This specific planet, the smallest we know among their many colonies, was artificially adapted long ago to deport people from their own home world, seized forcefully.This is their only colony allowed to deal with visitors and foreign diplomacy.



November, 4th, 2023
On 4 November 2023 (maybe earlier?), a new link leads to a series of four images in the Babelia Library that describe a revelation that could have a strong impact on everyone's religious beliefs.

https://www.cosmic-library.de/ummo/de/images/W5-91.jpg
https://www.cosmic-library.de/ummo/de/images/W5-92.jpg
https://www.cosmic-library.de/ummo/de/images/W5-93.jpg
https://www.cosmic-library.de/ummo/de/images/W5-94.jpg

@312_oay calls these images "OriTau_UIWIUTAA", which could be translated as "Orion Tauri CHRONOLOGY". These images make sense of the chronology "OriTau_UIWIUTAA" from 312-Stat-1 of 31 August 2021.




Orion Tauri CHRONOLOGY

Around 33.500 BC, from the moon of a giant planet, orbiting a star in the constellation Orion[1], a technological civilization acquired the ability to explore the immensity that surrounds it.

Ships are slow, taking decades to reach their nearest, barely evolved neighbors. One of the neighboring peoples is also on the path to progress. By joining forces, they discover how to travel by locally switching the mass and space dimensions[2]. Decades of travel turn into years, then months.

Around 32.000 BC, they managed to reach Earth and explore it, just in time to witness the emergence of Sapiens and the disappearance of the Neanderthals. But your planet doesn't really interest them yet.

For twelve millennia, the inhabitants of Orion prospered, and continued their slow expansion while wasting energy and resources that they believed to be inexhaustible. They plunder their home planet, then their host planet, then their sun. Their exhausted world no longer suits them. Their race is gradually declining.

Attempts are made to restore their failing ecosystem by bringing back food resources from other distant worlds. But the molecular combinations of proteins, which are too different, prove unsuitable to sustain their very specific organisms. They must adapt creating their own food by synthesizing proteins.

The only transposable resources are water and humus. But this last resource is rare and difficult to extract. The backward neighboring peoples are put under the yoke to extract it from their muddy swamps.

They also attempt to establish themselves on other worlds, with rudimentary life forms, by transforming ecosystems as they wish. But the attempts all fail one after the other, and irremediably destroy the most fragile ecosystems. The only successes are obtained on virgin worlds, but on which water and humus must also be brought in to make them viable.

After much effort, the struggle for the survival of their home planet finally succeeds in restoring a self-sustaining ecosystem but the sun is also fading, with no possibility of solving this problem. The inhabitants, concentrated in overpopulated hives, decide to emigrate to already inhabited worlds.

Around 18.000 BC, the Lords of Orion betray the friendship of their stellar neighbors and associates. They invade their planet. Survivors are given the opportunity to emigrate and live freely on a transformed planet. The others are confined to a small part of their home planet.
The new home is known to you as “SERPO”[3] ("Second EBENs Race Point of Origin”), a reformed planet located around HD 32923/104 Tauri[4]. Although originating from another constellation, we will call this second race the Taurians[5].

Another reformed planet is colonized by a more moderate fringe of Orion’s, inhabitants, who take with them a large contingent of their neighbors, in an attempt to live together. This planet, closer to you, is located around the star HD 50281[6], in the constellation Unicorn[7]. It is from this still very arid planet that the first Lords will come to enslave your primitive peoples.

The two peoples also have to face the incursion of other visitors who have evolved independently. Some, more spiritually advanced, force them to stop their colonialist impulses. Others are pushed back and their explorers eliminated. Others, more belligerent, force them to refocus around their planets of origin. The two peoples, divided into several antagonistic factions, began their inexorable decline.

Until around 4000 BC[8], the Taurians and the Orions remained the only Lords of Earth, exploiting certain specific areas, and among them the area of the "fertile crescent"[9], where the Benign Incision Pact was concluded with the priests, led by Abraham[10].

Before this Pact, priests were the servile earthly assistants of their deities. Cruel and feared by the populations, the priests kidnapped young men and reduced them to slavery as soon as they reached puberty. They were castrated to increase their docility and strength. The priests themselves and their male heirs were the only ones capable of reproducing, with dozens of submissive women at their disposal locked in seraglios.

This led to genetic impoverishment[11] and unwanted generational reduction that the Lords had to put an end to.
The sacrificial gesture remained, but was transformed into circumcision. It is one of the founding acts of terrestrial religions which will be giving later, as proof, in the documents attesting to the anteriority on Earth of the Lords of Orion (during the meetings of 1964).

Earth is then at the outer border of their territories. Other races begin to roam around, some benevolent some much less. The terrestrial colony is gradually abandoned, just monitored by a weakened contingent whose poorly maintained ships end up falling into disrepair. One of the transport ships crashes in Antarctica, causing a cloud of steam in the atmosphere that will cover the entire globe for several months.[12]
This vessel, located in too cold a territory, will be abandoned by the rare survivors who reach the only still active pole in Mesopotamia. It is this vessel not yet completely deactivated, which will be discovered in 1939 by the German expedition.[13]

Gradually, the old gods disappear, leaving behind only legends and ancestral rituals, perpetuated without knowing why by the caste of ancient priests, who argue over ancient objects of power, defense or appeal. The memory of these objects still remains present in your legends (Palladium, Holy Grail, enchanted objects like sticks, spears or swords…). Some still exist nowadays.

From the nearly depopulated planet closest to you[14], the monitoring and maintenance cycles of the facilities in your solar system continue, every 10 years, over centuries and millennia, until today[15].
Other visitors attempted incursions, first violently repulsed, then approved after mutual promises of non-aggression. The Earth becomes a place of visitation known to surrounding peoples, but without the possibility of interaction. It remains in the territory of influence of the Lords of Orion, the only ones authorized to descend there.

Earth is luckier than its nearest neighbor. An aggressive people[16] are expanding little by little, colonizing without morals planets closer and closer to you, mainly located in the constellations of Pisces and Cetus. Their assaults reach your nearest neighbors orbiting Tau Ceti[17], also claimed by the Lords of Orion. They benefit from the protection of friends coming from the star system HD 191408[18], then joined by the people from HD 165341[20], both younger but already very technologically advanced. However, this planet around Tau Ceti will eventually be conquered after the hostile race's incessant attacks.

It is at this precise moment that we emerge from our long Black Night and rush towards the stars. Alas, we make the mistake of heading towards the signals emanating from this planet your neighbor of Tau Ceti[21].
Our peaceful mission is considered aggression, our race being unknown and quite similar in appearance to that of the giant Lords of Orion. Our exploration ship is destroyed, along with its six occupants.[22]

Faced with our incomprehension regarding this tragic event, these same friendly neighbors from HD 165341[23], recommended that we avoid a circular stellar zone of our sky of several degrees of amplitude, centered on the star HD 693[24].
From OOMO, your Earth appears within this exclusion zone. We strictly complied with this directive, thus avoiding any further serious conflicting incidents, and avoiding any visits to your solar system until your year 1948. We have already detailed our interaction with you from this date.

At the same time, another tribe, quite enigmatic, but very sneaky[25], also appears in this galactic sector, taking advantage of the distress of a nascent civilization, also threatened by the hostile race, inhabiting a planet located around the star HD 2151[26], to which they offer help.
This enigmatic and devious people are the ones you call the Grays. Openly opposed to the Lords of Orion, and avowed enemies of the hostile conquering race, although conquerors themselves, they were taking great steps towards peaceful colonization, as far as it could exist.

They obviously discovered Earth quite quickly. Your planet was already under the close and joint surveillance of several neighboring peoples, as it was also threatened by the hostile race. The Grays invoked their right to peaceful exploration using harmless ships, also offering protection because you were, on the eve of your Nuclear Age, a danger to yourselves.[27]

In 1941, a first incident involving the Grays took place, causing material and human losses. unusual signals were detected by the Grays at Scott Air Force Base (Illinois), arousing their curiosity. A camouflaged (possibly Taurian) ship opens fire on the Grays' ship first causing it to flee and then to crash. Indeed, the Gray vessel fled but crashed about 160 km further south, at Cape Girardeau (Missouri).

[dan33]

Thanks OLAF.

https://ummo-ciencias.org/cartas.html

Hugs, Daniel.

[Bill Ryan]

This was recently put on twitter. By the same guy that released these new documents I think


I WILL NOW RELEASE ALL THE DETAILED INFORMATION I HAVE ON THE 12 HEROES THAT DEPARTED FOR PLANET SERPO JULY 16th 1965:

CALLED "PROJECT CRYSTAL KNIGHT" BY THE DIA
DIA FINAL REPORT #:
80HQD893-20

CALLED "PROJECT SERPO" BY THE USAF S.O.C.
USAF FILE NUMBER(S):
H80HQD893-020
(Each Supplemental USAF FILE entry increased the last three digits by one for every entry & is why they added a third digit in anticipation of additions ranging in the hundreds)

On the left will be each individual's three digit identity code. Then their ACTUAL IDENTITIES, followed by their responsibility/position on the mission, along with whether they returned from their mission or not.
HERE GOES:

102- James E. McKeever- Team Commander. Returned.
203- Daniel R. Sheburn- Assistant Commander. Returned.
225- Carson C. Roboti- Team Pilot #1. Returned.
308- Karl S. Zuen- Team Pilot #2. (DIA lists him dying of a pulmonary embolism while exiting his protective containment area as they traveled through the wormhole, BUT USAF SOC lists him as returning & instead lists this as being 475 this happened to)
420- Cathy B. Albersic- Linguist #1. Returned.
475- Thomas L. Ortiz- Linguist #2. Returned.
518- Benji D. Jensorko- Biologist. (Decided to stay on planet Serpo and not return)
633- Michael T. Masterson- Scientist #1. Returned.
661- Kenneth L. Dehneth- Scientist #2. (Decided to stay on planet Serpo & not return)
700- Amos Vanscoten- Doctor #1. Returned.
754- Ronald X. Lormoski- Doctor #2. (DIA says he Died of a severe case of pneumonia while on planet Serpo, BUT USAF SOC says it was actually 633)
899- Timothy M. Ott- Security. (Died of an accidental fall while on planet Serpo)

*Out of close to a thousand candidates it was narrowed down to 158, and these are the 12 best that were selected from that.
*The main training facility for these 12 was Camp Perry Virginia, next to the York River near Williamsburg. This is a CIA training facility nicknamed "The Farm", with the official name being; "Armed Forces Experimental Training Activity" Center. (AFETA).
They were given their own training facility located within the larger complex itself.
*They were also trained at Shepherd Air Force Base in Wichita falls Texas, Ellsworth Air Force Base close to rapid City South Dakota, and Dow Air Force Base in Bangor Maine.
*Then they also received high altitude astronaut training at Tyndall Air Force Base near Panama City Florida.
*They also received specialized training in two to three locations outside the country.
*All training was under heavy guard.
*When not being trained, the team members were held at Leavenworth military prison.

*The mission was scheduled for 10 years but due to approximately 19 months of round trip space travel, including within wormholes, along with the time differential, the mission turned out to be 13 years 1 month and 2 days.
Departing from the Nevada Test Site on July 16th of 1965 and returning to the same site on April 18th of 1978.
*2 years of debriefing by the DIA with assistance from USAF SOC, CIA, & NRO until their final report was compiled in 1980.
*Then further debriefings from 1980 to 1984 specifically by the CIA and USAF SOC by order of MJ-12.
**Here is two slides I Am Authenticating that belong to Two USAF SOC Video Files entered into the original PROJECT SERPO Filing:1884630115532886526That's very very interesting. I'm sure as I can be that there were not 12 astronauts on the mission. (Linda Howe, John Lear, Bob Emenegger and Bill Hamilton all told me, independently, that there were only three.)

But the name James E. McKeever is correct.

However, he never went on the mission. He was just one of the reserves, who was a standby 'on the bench'. He was the guy whose house Kerry Cassidy and I went to, unannounced, after we'd learned his name and address. We have never published his name anywhere. The full story is told here. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16571-Project-Serpo--aka-Project-Crystal-Knight--the-whole-story&p=177999&viewfull=1#post177999)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

That's very very interesting. I'm sure as I can be that there were not 12 astronauts on the mission. (Linda Howe, John Lear, Bob Emenegger and Bill Hamilton all told me, independently, that there were only three.)

But the name James E. McKeever is correct.


I've been watching some of this guy's tweets recently and I'm not at all sure about him. Take this new one below on the conditions on Serpo. Don't we already know all this? Isn't he just regurgitating data from the original release from years ago and taking credit for it?

To me, none of this is new information.

1885588028858777694
WHISTLEBLOWER
@truthtold24
I WILL NOW RELEASE & AUTHENTICATE INTRICATE DETAILS OF PLANET SERPO, INCLUDING THE ANIMAL LIFE:

Location: Zeta Reticuli 2 Star System (binary star system so two suns in the sky one brighter than the other)
Orbit: 4th Planet out
Axis Tilt: 39°
South Pole: Very dry, Hot, Volcanic with average temperatures from 99° to 135° F.
North Pole: Snowy, cold, but with the unexplained phenomenon of being a constant 33° every day & never receiving direct sunlight, so deep snow able to accumulate.
Equator: Average temperature between 80° and 120°. With sparse vegetation, and desert like conditions, this is where the majority of the "Eben" villages are located.
Their living quarters look like igloos made of adobe brick with dirt floors that go down multiple levels. (Luke Skywalker's home planet on Star Wars was modeled after this description & put into the movie as part of the Public Acclamation Program)
Team members mapped the planet and broke it down into four quadrants per hemisphere.

The southern four quadrants are as follows:
The southern hemisphere is mainly all flat desert with the exception of volcanoes, except quadrant III. Quadrant III is filled with valleys, caverns, and gullies as deep as 2-3,000 ft. Evidence of earthquakes were found when fault lines were identified along the northern tip of the southern hemisphere. There was evidence of past magma flow and activity.

Northern hemisphere, quadrant 1 was where our team of 12 heroes were eventually relocated to as it had a more moderate climate of an average temperature between 50° and 80°. There is a lot of vegetation here. There are trees similar to evergreens in the northern hemisphere, specifically in this quadrant it is more prevalent. However, instead of sap these trees emanate a milky white liquid that the Ebens use for nourishment.

All Ebens are vegetarians.

The Northern hemisphere contains both mountains & valleys in all four quadrants. One mountain in the northern hemisphere measured 15,000 ft in elevation.
The base camp that was established for the team in quadrant one was nicknamed "Little Montana". Team Commander 102, James McKeever, was from Colorado, but he and others agreed that the landscape around them in quadrant 1 was very reminiscent of the Montana landscape, hence the nickname.
Today that place is now a thriving colony (FOB) in the cosmos, as part of our secret space program.

The plant life in the northern hemisphere also included both Tall and short grass. The shorter grass has a bulb at the top of each piece almost like a clove but it's not a clove at all. There is also a marshland and in these marshlands for plants that had a much larger bulb that was reported to taste almost like a melon. This melon was a main food source for the Ebens.

The animal life is as follows:
There is a mountain lion type of animal, however it has a mane like a prairie lion. This animal was not aggressive and is found all over the northern hemisphere.
There is an oxen type of animal similar to a cow, but larger nicknamed "The Beast". This animal was the one animal that our team was permitted to hunt & utilize for protein that the human body needs.

In the southern hemisphere, in quadrant IV our team encountered a very large snake-like creature that was VERY aggressive. They used conventional weapons and killed this animal and in true American form wanted to cook & eat it but we're not permitted to do so. The snake like creature was approx 15 ft long and approx 1¾ foot around. And when dissected the eyes were more like human eyes than snake eyes.
There is an armadillo like creature that varies from small to large in size & every quadrant in both hemispheres.

There are 2 flying animals. One similar to a hawk & another to a flying squirrel.
There are no fish, only variations of eel like creatures.
No flying insects.
Only a few different types of smaller roach & beetle like bugs.
That's it.
I'M AUTHENTICATING SLIDES OF USAF GEN. (IDENTIFY UNKNOWN) PART OF TEAM DEBRIEF.
https://x.com/truthtold24/status/1885588028858777694

*********


And now he's onto Friendship One. Again, this isn't a new release. It already exists in the public domain, and has for years.

1886174025971282370
WHISTLEBLOWER
@truthtold24
I WILL NOW RELEASE AND AUTHENTICATE A PHOTOGRAPH OF A REAL LIFE 10 FT TALL EXTRATERRESTRIAL HUMANOID

Location: Montesilvano Italy
Year: 1976
Person who took the photo: Professor Bruno Sammaciccia
The original negatives for this photograph are held in a Swiss bank security vault that is owned by same Swiss Citizen who owns this picture.
Name of E.T.E./N.H.I.:
He introduced himself as "Dimpietro" When he spoke Italian.
His nickname that humans close to him called him was "Mr Kenio".
- Here is the information I have on this Extraterrestrial Entity:
-His height is approximately 9 ft 11 in.
-He is the commander of the largest #extraterrestrial base off the Adriatic Coast.
-He is benevolent and represents a benevolent species and civilization.
- His home planet is the 4th planet out in the Altair Star System, less than 18 light years away from Earth.
-He was part of the W56 program that originated in Italy in 1956.
-He can harness photons naturally.
- He likes to laugh, play jokes, and play the violin.

I will include both a black & white, and full color version of this photograph I am authenticating.
My briefing on the W 56 program included this photograph, in which I have known it to be authentic, but just now found it.
So I am now sharing it with you and giving you all the details I know on it.
You wanted a clear photograph of a real #alien ?
Here you go:
https://x.com/truthtold24/status/1886174025971282370

[Bill Ryan]

That's very very interesting. I'm sure as I can be that there were not 12 astronauts on the mission. (Linda Howe, John Lear, Bob Emenegger and Bill Hamilton all told me, independently, that there were only three.)

But the name James E. McKeever is correct.


I've been watching some of this guy's tweets recently and I'm not at all sure about him. Take this new one below on the conditions on Serpo. Don't we already know all this? Isn't he just regurgitating data from the original release from years ago and taking credit for it?Yes, he's collecting his info from all over the place, and it's most definitely not all reliable. He's making the mistake of conflating what he may have learned privately with some of the disinfo that's been out there for many years.

[Kryztian]

I've been watching some of this guy's tweets recently and I'm not at all sure about him.

Bill, just wondering what is your take on the story that much of the Serpo material was written by Alice Bradley Sheldon, a major in the U.S. Air Forces during World War II and a science fiction writer, who most published under the name James Tiptree Jr. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Tiptree_Jr.) She also worked for the CIA after the war. I believe there was an anonymous contributor to the forum named "Chapman" who stated that she was the actual author of much of the material. Do you know anyone has researched this further and weighed in for / against her as the author on this story?

[Bill Ryan]

I've been watching some of this guy's tweets recently and I'm not at all sure about him.

Bill, just wondering what is your take on the story that much of the Serpo material was written by Alice Bradley Sheldon, a major in the U.S. Air Forces during World War II and a science fiction writer, who most published under the name James Tiptree Jr. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Tiptree_Jr.) She also worked for the CIA after the war. I believe there was an anonymous contributor to the forum named "Chapman" who stated that she was the actual author of much of the material. Do you know anyone has researched this further and weighed in for / against her as the author on this story?Thanks, very interesting for sure, but I have no information about this myself. (However, if this was scripted fiction contracted to a known author, I'd not be that surprised. :))

[Tintin]

That's very very interesting. I'm sure as I can be that there were not 12 astronauts on the mission. (Linda Howe, John Lear, Bob Emenegger and Bill Hamilton all told me, independently, that there were only three.)

But the name James E. McKeever is correct.


I've been watching some of this guy's tweets recently and I'm not at all sure about him. Take this new one below on the conditions on Serpo. Don't we already know all this? Isn't he just regurgitating data from the original release from years ago and taking credit for it?Yes, he's collecting his info from all over the place, and it's most definitely not all reliable. He's making the mistake of conflating what he may have learned privately with some of the disinfo that's been out there for many years.

My sense entirely. Also, he may not be fully appreciative of my X response :)

1887457847933321390

---

Neither am I convinced about him. Perhaps I'm wrong but I think we've a grifter-type here.

[Tintin]

This was recently put on twitter. By the same guy that released these new documents I think


I WILL NOW RELEASE ALL THE DETAILED INFORMATION I HAVE ON THE 12 HEROES THAT DEPARTED FOR PLANET SERPO JULY 16th 1965:

CALLED "PROJECT CRYSTAL KNIGHT" BY THE DIA
DIA FINAL REPORT #:
80HQD893-20

CALLED "PROJECT SERPO" BY THE USAF S.O.C.
USAF FILE NUMBER(S):
H80HQD893-020
(Each Supplemental USAF FILE entry increased the last three digits by one for every entry & is why they added a third digit in anticipation of additions ranging in the hundreds)

On the left will be each individual's three digit identity code. Then their ACTUAL IDENTITIES, followed by their responsibility/position on the mission, along with whether they returned from their mission or not.
HERE GOES:

102- James E. McKeever- Team Commander. Returned.
203- Daniel R. Sheburn- Assistant Commander. Returned.
225- Carson C. Roboti- Team Pilot #1. Returned.
308- Karl S. Zuen- Team Pilot #2. (DIA lists him dying of a pulmonary embolism while exiting his protective containment area as they traveled through the wormhole, BUT USAF SOC lists him as returning & instead lists this as being 475 this happened to)
420- Cathy B. Albersic- Linguist #1. Returned.
475- Thomas L. Ortiz- Linguist #2. Returned.
518- Benji D. Jensorko- Biologist. (Decided to stay on planet Serpo and not return)
633- Michael T. Masterson- Scientist #1. Returned.
661- Kenneth L. Dehneth- Scientist #2. (Decided to stay on planet Serpo & not return)
700- Amos Vanscoten- Doctor #1. Returned.
754- Ronald X. Lormoski- Doctor #2. (DIA says he Died of a severe case of pneumonia while on planet Serpo, BUT USAF SOC says it was actually 633)
899- Timothy M. Ott- Security. (Died of an accidental fall while on planet Serpo)

*Out of close to a thousand candidates it was narrowed down to 158, and these are the 12 best that were selected from that.
*The main training facility for these 12 was Camp Perry Virginia, next to the York River near Williamsburg. This is a CIA training facility nicknamed "The Farm", with the official name being; "Armed Forces Experimental Training Activity" Center. (AFETA).
They were given their own training facility located within the larger complex itself.
*They were also trained at Shepherd Air Force Base in Wichita falls Texas, Ellsworth Air Force Base close to rapid City South Dakota, and Dow Air Force Base in Bangor Maine.
*Then they also received high altitude astronaut training at Tyndall Air Force Base near Panama City Florida.
*They also received specialized training in two to three locations outside the country.
*All training was under heavy guard.
*When not being trained, the team members were held at Leavenworth military prison.

*The mission was scheduled for 10 years but due to approximately 19 months of round trip space travel, including within wormholes, along with the time differential, the mission turned out to be 13 years 1 month and 2 days.
Departing from the Nevada Test Site on July 16th of 1965 and returning to the same site on April 18th of 1978.
*2 years of debriefing by the DIA with assistance from USAF SOC, CIA, & NRO until their final report was compiled in 1980.
*Then further debriefings from 1980 to 1984 specifically by the CIA and USAF SOC by order of MJ-12.
**Here is two slides I Am Authenticating that belong to Two USAF SOC Video Files entered into the original PROJECT SERPO Filing:1884630115532886526That's very very interesting. I'm sure as I can be that there were not 12 astronauts on the mission. (Linda Howe, John Lear, Bob Emenegger and Bill Hamilton all told me, independently, that there were only three.)

But the name James E. McKeever is correct.

However, he never went on the mission. He was just one of the reserves, who was a standby 'on the bench'. He was the guy whose house Kerry Cassidy and I went to, unannounced, after we'd learned his name and address. We have never published his name anywhere. The full story is told here. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16571-Project-Serpo--aka-Project-Crystal-Knight--the-whole-story&p=177999&viewfull=1#post177999)

....and as you can see, here, I'm very gently pushing back. Also, it may be a good idea for people to pay attention somewhat to what Bill does know about all this: there's really no-one really better placed to 'fill in the blanks':

1887461916085195129

[ExomatrixTV]

Project SERPO: The Human Alien Exchange Program the Government Won’t Confirm:

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Twelve American military specialists allegedly boarded an extraterrestrial craft in 1965… and vanished for thirteen years. Their destination? A world orbiting Zeta Reticuli. Their hosts? A species known as the Ebens. According to thousands of leaked pages, the exchange program, codenamed Project SERPO, included training curricula, packing manifests, medical protocols, debrief transcripts, and even projected “history cubes” known as the Yellow Book. The story is either the most elaborate intelligence hoax ever crafted… or the greatest secret in U.S. history. Tonight, we break down the Serpo documents, the alleged exchange, the Ebens themselves, the return of the surviving team in 1978, the disappearance of evidence, and the modern whistleblowers who revived the mystery online. Is Project SERPO fact, disinformation… or something between the lines? This is America’s Strangest History. Stay curious.