Can Anyone See The Sky?

[Champion the Wonderhorse]

Hello All

I'm in London and I've noticed over the last two or three days there's been this heavy thick constant overcast. I have'nt seen the sky at all.

I'm looking now and it just does'nt look natural or feel right to me. There is no cloud formation just a seemless thick cover.

I'm no expert in cloud formations, just wondering if anybody else has noticed this.

Thanks

[loc333]

clear blue skys in new england 60 today......40 sun

[The One]

Hey I am in the northwest and it’s been the same here for the last couple of days.

This morning it was quite thick, you are right though i can’t really explain it Champion the Wonderhouse it’s got and eerie feeling to it

[buckminster fuller]

We've had a layer of fog for a few days here in bretagne, france. It was quite weird cause there was no wetness in the air nor on the ground.. It all seemed dry, yet there was this thing. And it lasted for the whole day, when normally it get disolved before noon.

[jimbojp]

Hello Wonderhorse,
I'm on the south coast and its the same here, just thick grey skies, a bit of sunshine would be nice!
Does feel a bit unnatural...

[John Parslow]

Hello Champion

I live in the South West and we had that all day yesterday but a few glimpses of the sun today - still very overcast though ...

All the best . JP :cool:

[Fred259]

We've had a layer of fog for a few days here in bretagne, france. It was quite weird cause there was no wetness in the air nor on the ground.. It all seemed dry, yet there was this thing. And it lasted for the whole day, when normally it get disolved before noon.

It’s a Col folks, stable atmosphere ridges between high and low pressure.

Buck, check this site and click the “2week” option…for Northern France..

http://www.emsc-csem.org/#5

[buckminster fuller]

We've had a layer of fog for a few days here in bretagne, france. It was quite weird cause there was no wetness in the air nor on the ground.. It all seemed dry, yet there was this thing. And it lasted for the whole day, when normally it get disolved before noon.

It’s a Col folks, stable atmosphere ridges between high and low pressure.

Buck, check this site and click the “2week” option…for Northern France..

http://www.emsc-csem.org/#5

What is a "Col" Fred ?

[Black Panther]

In the Netherlands very much grey skies latest weeks. Yesterday late noon
I had to watch through the window. I had a feeling I had to watch. I saw
a bright sun. Suddenly it dissapeared in the 'clouds'. I had a very strange feeling.
It didn't look like clouds but the sun suddenly vanished. Maybe something to do
with chemtrails ?

[Jake]

Not a cloud in the sky right now in the Seattle/Tacoma area. Now that IS wierd.

[Icecold]

Weather report: ;)

http://uk.weather.com/weather/today-London-UKXX0085


http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/10209

outbreaks of light rain in southern Scotland edging into northern and western England and Wales. Some sunshine to the southeast after morning cloud breaks up. Mostly dry and bright further north and west, but wintry showers moving into northwest Scotland.

Tonight
Showers continuing in northern Scotland. Starting dry elsewhere, but rain spreading eastwards across Wales and central and southern England overnight, with a risk of hill snow on its northern edge.

Friday

Rain in the south clearing southeast England by late afternoon. Scattered showers in Scotland and Northern Ireland; dry and sunny in between.

Outlook for Saturday to Monday

Windy with rain at times in northwestern parts. Otherwise, mostly dry with sunny periods and generally light winds. Cold overnight with widespread frost, but feeling warm by day.

:plane::rain::couch2:

[Fred259]

We've had a layer of fog for a few days here in bretagne, france. It was quite weird cause there was no wetness in the air nor on the ground.. It all seemed dry, yet there was this thing. And it lasted for the whole day, when normally it get disolved before noon.

It’s a Col folks, stable atmosphere ridges between high and low pressure.

Buck, check this site and click the “2week” option…for Northern France..

http://www.emsc-csem.org/#5

What is a "Col" Fred ?

The UK and central Europe is stuck with this stable anticyclonic weather with high pressure dominating over Scandanavia, 1043mb is very high pressure, so good weather in general.

A Col is really the ridge between the high pressure systems and the lows.


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/europe/surface_pressure.html

[Gaia]

Lot of clouds and light snow -13 c feels like -23 to date strange winter up here.

[Fred259]

In the Netherlands very much grey skies latest weeks. Yesterday late noon
I had to watch through the window. I had a feeling I had to watch. I saw
a bright sun. Suddenly it dissapeared in the 'clouds'. I had a very strange feeling.
It didn't look like clouds but the sun suddenly vanished. Maybe something to do
with chemtrails ?

Black Panther…No jet trails today the atmosphere is very stable. When the atmosphere becomes unstable again, ie (when the weather changes) the jet trails will start again. You call them Chemtrails; no it’s just water vapor, and burnt carbons. Chemtrails is propaganda to scare you promulgated on the internet by your enemy the New World Order.

Remember what Charles told Bill.

“They are drinking Scotch, smoking cigars and laughing at us”

[Charlie Pecos]

Here in Colorado we usually have 300+ days a year of sunshine. Overcast here is just not that common. We can have a few overcast days here in the spring, but lately it is the rule rather than the exception. I have noticed that the clouds are very different from what they should be, just really different formations and composition from the ones I have been looking at my whole life. The cloud cover appears to cover the entire front range area as far as the eye can see. This in and of itself is unusual. Typically, you might have an area of cloud cover that extends over a limited area, but rarely over the entire state for days on end.

I have noticed planes flying at 30,000+ feet leaving behind a trail on these days. As I observe these trails over the course of several hours, I have noticed that they seem to induce cloud formation. These guys have been hitting it hot and heavy for several weeks here over the Denver metro area. There are however some days of full sun. On these days it is my perception that atmospheric conditions are not condusive to cloud formation via artificial means, because I see them flying their sorties with little or no effect. It has become apparent to me that when this occurs, they stop flying their sorties as the amount of high altitude air traffic seems to fall dramatically.

There are really only two explanations as to why it would be necessary to artificially form cloud cover. One, they are trying to hide something for an unknown (to us) reason. Or two, they are trying to deflect solar energy. Number two, in my estimation, seems to be the more logical of the two possibilities. It is much cooler here on the days when we have cloud cover.

[shijo]

its lovely in London this afternoon blue skys warm very little cloud. Spring is coming, enjoy it while we can.

[slipknotted]

yes, in vegas there has been normal clouds and then clouds which dont seem to belong with the others they look frothly and condensed it's hard to explain other than they dont belong in the picture if that makes sense kinda like rogue clouds and they move faster than the rest, that was last night at 10 pm

[kevlar]

This is a photo of chemtrails which I took on 13th march 2011 above central England.

love kevlar

[the trojan]

scotland today......milky grey sky with grey clouds
yesterday....rainy....grey sky....in the evening clear sky
day before....lots of snow but did not last long...large,very large snow flakes.


ooops the sky has changed since i last looked.....very light blue skies,lots of variations on grey clouds with darker smog like clouds in the direction of the sun.

[the trojan]

well well,since my last post the sky has almost cleared,lovely blue.
although still cloudy around the area of the sun in the distance.
I just watched a seagull above my loft window hovering in the wind....made my heart soar a little.

[SKAWF]

its lovely in London this afternoon blue skys warm very little cloud. Spring is coming, enjoy it while we can.

are we talking about the same london?

ive just had a look outside, and champion is right, thick almost seperate layers of grey cloud, and remnants of the same fog that we've had since yesterday.
there are no blue skies, and the cloud is very thick.

i'm calling you out on this, purely because what you've written is blatently untrue.

this pic was taken 15 minutes ago

[MargueriteBee]

I'm near Olympia, Washington and the sun peeps thru the clouds once in awhile.

[Browneyedsteve]

I'm in London and I've noticed over the last two or three days there's been this heavy thick constant overcast. I have'nt seen the sky at all.

I'm looking now and it just does'nt look natural or feel right to me.

Hi Horse
Here in Central Lancahire, NW England it is and has been the same as you describe.
As you say it does not feel right. I feel lethargic, nervous, can't stop sleeping (12 hours last night!) Lots of strange dreams. I feel very much like I'm expecting something really big/important to happen.
Love and peace to us all. Let us not be afraid. Steve

[Champion the Wonderhorse]

I'm in London and I've noticed over the last two or three days there's been this heavy thick constant overcast. I have'nt seen the sky at all.

I'm looking now and it just does'nt look natural or feel right to me.

Hi Horse
Here in Central Lancahire, NW England it is and has been the same as you describe.
As you say it does not feel right. I feel lethargic, nervous, can't stop sleeping (12 hours last night!) Lots of strange dreams. I feel very much like I'm expecting something really big/important to happen.
Love and peace to us all. Let us not be afraid. Steve

Thanks Browneyedsteve,

My sentiments exactly. I thought it was just me getting paranoid but I'm having the same feelings exactly.
I went for a walk last night and all I could see was a continuous white sheet in the sky, it was eerie and claustrophobic.
Interesting that others also have this 'feeling' that somethings not right.
Lets hope it's nothing more than that.

[Champion the Wonderhorse]

its lovely in London this afternoon blue skys warm very little cloud. Spring is coming, enjoy it while we can.

are we talking about the same london?

ive just had a look outside, and champion is right, thick almost seperate layers of grey cloud, and remnants of the same fog that we've had since yesterday.
there are no blue skies, and the cloud is very thick.

i'm calling you out on this, purely because what you've written is blatently untrue.

this pic was taken 15 minutes ago

Hi SKAWF

I think its because we are in different areas. I'm in the south. It cleared up a bit today but then changed exactly like your pic.

[shijo]

its lovely in London this afternoon blue skys warm very little cloud. Spring is coming, enjoy it while we can.

are we talking about the same london?

ive just had a look outside, and champion is right, thick almost seperate layers of grey cloud, and remnants of the same fog that we've had since yesterday.
there are no blue skies, and the cloud is very thick.

i'm calling you out on this, purely because what you've written is blatently untrue.

this pic was taken 15 minutes ago

im in Camden, at 4pm i was looking out the window and what i said was true,except possibly it was warmish not warm, why would i lie to you about anything let alone such a trite matter ??

[Champion the Wonderhorse]

Lot of clouds and light snow -13 c feels like -23 to date strange winter up here.

Poor you Gaia.
Isn't it supposed to be spring? :)

[Borden]

I'm in Northants and wandered up to the shops just over an hour ago. Where I live is out of town and we get whirlie-pigs overhead quite a lot. (Police helicopters). One went over me pretty low, judging from the sound, but when I looked up I couldn't even see its lights, let alone stars. I thought it was strange at the time, and there is a distinct feeling of pressure about. My sleep has been weird and all over the place the last few days too.

Definitely something in the air.

[Champion the Wonderhorse]

In the Netherlands very much grey skies latest weeks. Yesterday late noon
I had to watch through the window. I had a feeling I had to watch. I saw
a bright sun. Suddenly it dissapeared in the 'clouds'. I had a very strange feeling.
It didn't look like clouds but the sun suddenly vanished. Maybe something to do
with chemtrails ?

Thanks Black Panther,

Interesting. Looks like they don't want us to see whats going on up there.

[SKAWF]

well, i live half a mile from camden.

its been foggy (misty) all day. and cloudy. i took a picture, and you can see the same weather, as described by others on this thread.
you are the only one who mentioned blue skies with very little cloud. (no mention of fog)
and one only has to look out of the window to see that it isnt the case.
maybe you saw a clear patch.
from what you described, i picked up, a clear warm spring day with hardly a cloud in the sky.
that just isnt the case. nor has it been all day.
maybe not a lie, but inaccurate, and misleading. as indicated by the photo i posted.
these satellite images show the clouds that are over us. not clear skies.

steve

[giovonni]

Not a cloud in the sky right now in the Seattle/Tacoma area. Now that IS wierd.

Yes ~ i saw the Sun briefly this morning first sunny morning in weeks ~ opps spoke too soon :o

http://icons.wunderground.com/webcamramdisk/r/i/richa03/1/current.jpg?1300392654

a friend told me she watched the planes spraying while driving in from Shoreline :yawn:

guess we'll be back to normal tonite...:rain:

[Champion the Wonderhorse]

In the Netherlands very much grey skies latest weeks. Yesterday late noon
I had to watch through the window. I had a feeling I had to watch. I saw
a bright sun. Suddenly it dissapeared in the 'clouds'. I had a very strange feeling.
It didn't look like clouds but the sun suddenly vanished. Maybe something to do
with chemtrails ?

Black Panther…No jet trails today the atmosphere is very stable. When the atmosphere becomes unstable again, ie (when the weather changes) the jet trails will start again. You call them Chemtrails; no it’s just water vapor, and burnt carbons. Chemtrails is propaganda to scare you promulgated on the internet by your enemy the New World Order.

Remember what Charles told Bill.

“They are drinking Scotch, smoking cigars and laughing at us”

Fred

Chemtrails are real and there's plenty of evidence put out there from normal everyday people.
I've witnessed them and photographed them myself, and I can remember a time when the skies were clear, not the ridiculously cluttered and lined chemtrails that I see these days.

[Setras]

looked out about 45 mins ago and was clear with a bright 3/4 moon

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should have said hampshire

[Fred Steeves]

Well kolks, terrible weather to report from central Florida as usual. 60-80 degrees daily, and sunny far as the eye can see. :pExcept for the chemtrails of course, which are visible in ANY kind of atmosphere.

I have had that ominous feeling talked about here too. Not all the time mind you, but every now and then it's like whew, damn that was intense. No fear coming from this sector of the sunshine state though, we've done jumped out of the airplane, too late to turn back. I trust we all packed our chutes well.


Cheers,
Fred S.

[Tangri]

its lovely in London this afternoon blue skys warm very little cloud. Spring is coming, enjoy it while we can.

are we talking about the same london?

ive just had a look outside, and champion is right, thick almost seperate layers of grey cloud, and remnants of the same fog that we've had since yesterday.
there are no blue skies, and the cloud is very thick.

i'm calling you out on this, purely because what you've written is blatently untrue.

this pic was taken 15 minutes ago

im in Camden, at 4pm i was looking out the window and what i said was true,except possibly it was warmish not warm, why would i lie to you about anything let alone such a trite matter ??

Maybe glass is half full or half empty. If I see few clouds I would call blue sky In winter.
If I see same clouds in summer I would say rain is coming

[Dennis Jonathan]

Sunset last night in northern Cali:

mpGqMamfHeQ

Before that we had 3 days of almost complete cloud cover. The funny thing is you could see the trails above the thick clouds when they were still forming in the morning:

http://i.pgu.me/33Tn+mkm_original.jpg

Another couple of crazy cloud shots:

http://i.pgu.me/OWdsFl7o_original.jpg

Chemtrail across the sun.

http://i.pgu.me/5-3CfYme_original.jpg

[Sabrina]

Same as you describe in Kent, S.E. England over the last two days. Icy mist for two days, and lifted late afternoon today for small blast of sunshine. Lots of chemtrails this week. There is noticeable icy chill in the air by afternoon last two days - and this does not feel natural. Someone is worried about the masses...

[Bob_2011]

Not a cloud in the sky right now in the Seattle/Tacoma area. Now that IS wierd.

Yes ~ i saw the Sun briefly this morning first sunny morning in weeks ~ opps spoke too soon :o

http://icons.wunderground.com/webcamramdisk/r/i/richa03/1/current.jpg?1300392654

a friend told me she watched the planes spraying while driving in from Shoreline :yawn:

guess we'll be back to normal tonite...:rain:



Hi giovonni, was in Seattle some years back now going over to Vancouver Island, but those houses, so many flat roofs, havent you guys heard of Lofts, there great you can bung all your rubbish up into them,

[Fred259]

In the Netherlands very much grey skies latest weeks. Yesterday late noon
I had to watch through the window. I had a feeling I had to watch. I saw
a bright sun. Suddenly it dissapeared in the 'clouds'. I had a very strange feeling.
It didn't look like clouds but the sun suddenly vanished. Maybe something to do
with chemtrails ?

Black Panther…No jet trails today the atmosphere is very stable. When the atmosphere becomes unstable again, ie (when the weather changes) the jet trails will start again. You call them Chemtrails; no it’s just water vapor, and burnt carbons. Chemtrails is propaganda to scare you promulgated on the internet by your enemy the New World Order.

Remember what Charles told Bill.

“They are drinking Scotch, smoking cigars and laughing at us”

Fred

Chemtrails are real and there's plenty of evidence put out there from normal everyday people.
I've witnessed them and photographed them myself, and I can remember a time when the skies were clear, not the ridiculously cluttered and lined chemtrails that I see these days.

Ok... I respect your point of view. Do we have any proof of this, who is chemtrailing?

Think a moment, you say “normal everyday people”…. but think about that… what would “normal everyday people” know about chemicals in the atmosphere?

Here are the Aussie’s heading home at dawn… Qantas are these guys “chemtrailing” Yes or No?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl6iR7w7a_Q



Remember what Charles told Bill about the alternative media. Credibility is very important, do you base your credibility on “normal everyday people” to use your words.

[Ammit]

Today in Weymouth and Wareham the clouds were weired, looked like the clouds were in lines, like close together ladder rungs.
Cold too....

[Champion the Wonderhorse]

In the Netherlands very much grey skies latest weeks. Yesterday late noon
I had to watch through the window. I had a feeling I had to watch. I saw
a bright sun. Suddenly it dissapeared in the 'clouds'. I had a very strange feeling.
It didn't look like clouds but the sun suddenly vanished. Maybe something to do
with chemtrails ?

Black Panther…No jet trails today the atmosphere is very stable. When the atmosphere becomes unstable again, ie (when the weather changes) the jet trails will start again. You call them Chemtrails; no it’s just water vapor, and burnt carbons. Chemtrails is propaganda to scare you promulgated on the internet by your enemy the New World Order.

Remember what Charles told Bill.

“They are drinking Scotch, smoking cigars and laughing at us”

Fred

Chemtrails are real and there's plenty of evidence put out there from normal everyday people.
I've witnessed them and photographed them myself, and I can remember a time when the skies were clear, not the ridiculously cluttered and lined chemtrails that I see these days.

Ok... I respect your point of view. Do we have any proof of this, who is chemtrailing?

Think a moment, you say “normal everyday people”…. but think about that… what would “normal everyday people” know about chemicals in the atmosphere?

Here are the Aussie’s heading home at dawn… Qantas are these guys “chemtrailing” Yes or No?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl6iR7w7a_Q



Remember what Charles told Bill about the alternative media. Credibility is very important, do you base your credibility on “normal everyday people” to use your words.

As to who is chemtrailing, no idea.
To my knowledge there have been no whistleblowers about this. One would think that this would at least be in the 'know' between pilots at least. But still no-one has come forward.
That in itself could give weight to your arguement, or it could be such a heavily guarded subject that everyone involved is afraid of repercussions. Has anyone come forward to admit their involvement in 9/11? Henry Deacon once admitted his involvement and very soon after 'disappeared'.

"Think a moment, you say “normal everyday people”…. but think about that… what would “normal everyday people” know about chemicals in the atmosphere?"
Probably the same as me ......... very little. I'm not a doctor or scientist and I don't have a lab. But it has been reported in areas where chemtrails have been that they've found traces of aluminium and barium among other chemicals. I don't see the point your making here.
Are you saying we all need to have a PHD in chemistry before we can talk about chemtrails? Or are you saying the data is false and not to be believed. If so what evidence do you have regarding this?

As for the video more likely a contrail as the title suggests, its difficult to tell from the footage. But I'm not saying every aircraft out there is producing chemtrails.
A contrail dissipates and doesn't linger and is made up of water vapour or ice crystals. The last few seconds of the footage shows a long thin stream with breaks, but you would have to observe for a while to see if it lingers and spreads into a thin cloud.
But I've seen myself chemtrails turn into long clouds within two or three hours.

The defintion of contrails is changing and geeting mixed up with chentrails (but then that's no surprise!)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Airliner contrails, some new, some old and much spread out by wind shearhttp://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=6179&d=1300420288&thumb=1&stc=1
The image on the left shows the sky above Wuerzburg, Germany without contrails after the grounding of air traffic in 2010 and the image on the right shows the sky with regular air traffic.http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=6180&d=1300420299&thumb=1

Contrails (short for "condensation trails") or vapour trails are artificial clouds that are the visible trails of condensed water vapour made by the exhaust of aircraft engines. As the hot exhaust gases cool in the surrounding air they may precipitate a cloud of microscopic water droplets. If the air is cold enough, this trail will comprise tiny ice crystals.[1]

The wingtip vortices which trail from the wingtips and wing flaps of aircraft are sometimes partly visible due to condensation in the cores of the vortices. Each vortex is a mass of spinning air and the air pressure at the centre of the vortex is very low. These wingtip vortices are not the same as contrails.

Depending on atmospheric conditions, contrails may be visible for only a few seconds or minutes, or may persist for many hours which may affect climate.[2]
Contents
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* 1 Condensation from engine exhaust
* 2 Condensation from decreases in pressure
* 3 Vapour trails or contrails and climate
o 3.1 September 11, 2001 climate impact study
* 4 Head-on contrails
* 5 Distrails
* 6 See also
* 7 References
* 8 External links

[edit] Condensation from engine exhaust

The main byproducts of hydrocarbon fuel combustion are carbon dioxide and water vapor. At high altitudes this water vapour emerges into a cold environment, and the local increase in water vapor can push the water content of the air past saturation point. The vapour then condenses into tiny water droplets and/or deposits into ice. These millions of tiny water droplets and/or ice crystals form the vapour trail or contrails. The vapor's need to condense accounts for the contrail forming some way behind the aircraft's engines. At high altitudes, supercooled water vapor requires a trigger to encourage deposition or condensation. The exhaust particles in the aircraft's exhaust act as this trigger, causing the trapped vapor to rapidly turn to ice crystals. Exhaust vapour trails or contrails usually occur above 8000 metres (26,000 feet), and only if the temperature there is below −40 °C (−40 °F).[3]

Wikipedia is not helping me here, but I would say the photo's show definite chemtrails.
Also did a serch on wikipedia for chemtrails and I got 'Chemtrails Conspiracy Theory' So there you have it!

We will have to agree to disagree on this one :)

[Dennis Jonathan]

I get that all trails aren't chemtrails. What I don't get (and what I've witnessed many times, and caught on video) is why a plane would be literally going around a given area in a giant circle or square?

One trail is odd but explainable. Watching a plane form a grid of trails over a densely populated area, as I've personally witnessed on both coasts of the US, seems suspect.

What's your take on this Fred?

[Charlie Pecos]

I posted this on another thread but I feel it has merit here as well:


I watched today as a jet traveled across the sky, leaving a contrail in it's wake. This contrail extended behind the aircraft perhaps a few hundred yards, and was much more opaque than the chemtrails I have observed being deposited in the skies above Denver. The contrail dissipated quickly, unlike the chemtrails which I observed causing cloud formations over the period of a few hours time. To the non-believers: There is a difference, the chemtrails are much more white in color, they are bigger, billowy and extend along the skyline for many miles. They dissipate very slowly. You can watch them produce a high, thin cloud cover, one that really for all intensive purposes should not be there.