you are being LIED TO about diabetes

[shiva777]

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[shadowstalker]

Do you know of anyone taking this, as I have a friend who has diabetes, and is on a pump now

[TheTwo]

This is a good movie on the topic - Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days (http://www.rawfor30days.com/index4.html)

[Arrowwind]

I dont know what they are pushing for in that first post's link.. a book I guess.

Dr Whitaker is known for successfully getting people off of diabetic meds.... and yes, the medical industry does lie about type II diabetes to keep the money rolling and to keep you getting sicker so they can milk your bank account till the day you die

it is curable. there seems to be a couple of ways.

MMS1 has cured some cases of diabetes, so in these cases there is likely a microbial complication in the metabolic processes.

right diet will cure most cases... a traditonal paleolithic diet... some do extrememly well on the Atkins diet. You have get rid of all concentrated carbs,, sugar, aspartame, bread, pasta, potatoes etc.

and certainly raw foods too, including raw meat, if you can handle that.

I would look into Dr Whitakers work.. he has youtube videos.

dont do these changes willy nilly though. You have to keep up good blood monitoring and be prepared to handle crisis... but people who do this often have o problems, depands how damaged their liver and pancreas is from the diabetic drugs use that they have done

[bennycog]

I have recently been diagnosed diabetic.. i was feeling really tired and drinking so much water and well, anything i could get a hold of for around 2 weeks. I was heading off to work at a place called roxby downs in the middle of south australia. I usually drive all the way from adelaide which is around a 6 hr drive. I got about half an hr out and had to get someone else to drive as i was soo tired. I just layed in the back drinking water and stopping for a wee every half an hr.. I just thought i needed to harden up, take a spoon of concrete lol.. We got to our destination and once there we have to go and do a drug test so we can be passed to go onto the minesite (When you work or aare a contractor for BHP they are happy to know they own you from the time you enter their lease.)
I had the test and explained why my wee was so clear and she said it sounds like blood sugar, so she did a test ( not a prick test) and said " i think you should go to the hospital" Once at the hospital it took me a little while before i could cinvince them just to check my blood sugar levels and they finally oblidged. My levels were 33.. which is quite high, they were looking at me wondering how i was still able to comprehend talking and walking :)
They have since lost my test to confirm whether i am type 1 or 2. I realize now that in the past i have had many hypers (low blood sugar), because the feelings i have got in the past coincide with what i have experienced since i have been diagnosed.. In the past i have just stuck through it somehow working really hard until lunch time, and i am the supervisor in our company so i would wait till a time to stop work where it would cause less downtime.. amazingly i never went into any comas lol
The feeling of low blood sugar is i have to say the worst feeling you can get. you get real emotional very quickly and your body shakes as it is screaming for clucose.. you will get through half a sentence and forget what the hell you where talking about.. amongst this ailments i have arthritis too and only recently turned 32..
gets better from here doesn't it :)
I have mms and have finally got into contact with a mate of bill's 'andreas' he has gave me a few pointers on how to treat my arthitis with it btu any info on how it can help the diabetes would be much appreciated..

Ill PM you shiva, and see what the link was you posted. But we should continue any talk back on here for others to see.
I do take insulan and have been trying to have some sort of diet which is hard for me because of all the travel i do.

[Arrowwind]

bennycog, a blood sugar of 33 is not high, it is very low... did they not feed you when they saw that?

unless they use a totally different scale in australia...which I doubt.

hyper is when your blood suger is too high
hypo is when it is too low and you crash and burn as you described.

frequent urination is a symptom... but the clear pee is probably just because you were drinking so much


If you are diabetic you will be type two, not one... it is metabolic disorder created by too many carbohydrates and sugar over many years... you have worn out your mechinisms that maintain balance... Type one is generally with a childhood onset. It generally requires insulin injections becasue for some unknown reason the islets of Langerhan no longer produce insulin...

they may decide to classify you as prediabetic unless they actually see very high blood sugars, like over 120 on several occassions.

You get hypogylycemic when your pancrease over reacts and sends out too much insulin in response to your blood sugar levels.. it burns up all the sugar and you collapse, as 33 is way to low. In time your system burns out further and your body cannot respond with insulin at all..and hence your blood sugars rise and they want to give you supplemental insulin or some kind of pill.

You should respond well with diet modifications.. eating small meals frequently and avoiding sugar, alcholol and condensed carbs

what ever is going on with you you really need some sound diabetic education as I see quite a bit of errors in your story... having been a nurse for 28 years... I will attest you need some guidance to understand what is going on and get stuff striaght in your head...

please see someone soon before you crash and end up with a head injury... my boyfriend long ago. lost all his front teeth this way

[ThePythonicCow]

what ever is going on with you you really need some sound diabetic education as I see quite a bit of errors in your story... having been a nurse for 28 years... I will attest you need some guidance to understand what is going on and get stuff striaght in your head...

Well said.

[bennycog]

hypo yes thats what i meant to say lol
and the little prick test is normaly between 5 and something like 8 isn't it? i was 33.
it is kind of high :)
i know that because of my drinking so much that it was clear. and had to explain it to the drug tester because they would ask questions to why the sample is so clear.
My mouth was very dry and my throat was very sore. like i felt i was drying up.
i recently had a 3 month blood test.. the fasting one.. and it came back 6.5 and was happy about that.
thnkyou for your concern.. and lol there are a few poeple around me who i can ask qeustions and help i just forgot hyper and hypo my bad sorry..
when i was in the hospital they had me on a potassium drip and many shots of insulan and testing.. like a pin cushion..

PS. i can tell if i go hyper by my vision playing up and my trips for toilet get more frequent.

[Arrowwind]

The scale that they have been using on your tests I am not familiar with...
Its not something to take casually. Make sure you know what is going on.
If your blood sugar is elevating to the point of vision problems I would be pretty concerned.
If you want a long life without amputations and kidney failure.. find a way to get care

[bennycog]

i have not experienced it much at all lately but at the start i was. when i was trying to get my sugars back to normal.
And like i said before i realize now that i have suffered from hypos in the past at work, way before i was ever diagnosed.
i am doing everything i can to see if i can be rid of it and then hopefully help others out too..
i consider myself one tough dude and won't let it beat me i assure you that.

[Agape]

Sorry, Benny, I suppose they told you what kind of diabetes you have acquired ?

There was a long term question and research to the causes of diabetes in medicine, the I type ( mostly ends up as insuline dependant ) is regarded as auto-immune disease , these days .
There are genetic dispositions it seems and then lots that depends on your life style.

It can start with innocent infection such as flu or sore throat attacking your immune system, that's why it's important not to let those undertreated.

Once the immune system with certain hereditary loading starts misfunctioning it may opt to attack any of its otherwise healthy cells and organs .

Another bad example of auto-immune disease is MS ( multiple sclerosis ) but there are many others.

The problem is that the process is discrete at start and T-cells or their relatives manage to destroy Langerhansen isles in your pancreas , or at least disable them to produce various hormones and enzymes they naturally do.

The mechanism is not yet well explored but that's what how it seems to be.


II type diabetes has different etiology and it's more likely caused by overloading the pancreas function during your life, lots of fatty and sweet food , stresses, exposure to chemicals, there is plenty of possible co-factors.

But, the II type diabetes means that the function is weakened and you find out about it before it's totally destroyed.

So the good chance is that you will keep yourself on diet, avoid raw sugars, unhealthy fats , stress and physical activity that could tire you and be cautious about infections.


If you can regulate your diet and stick to the rules, there's good chance you may be without problems or least problems possible.



:panda:

[bennycog]

thanx agape..
You know the funny thing is i have never liked coke and sugary drinks like that and very very rarely had any lollies or chocolate. i was always more a fruit ant nut type person..

i cant give you the link.. but the link that shiva has, tells of how white bread and the way it is bleached can actually attack the pancreas..
By the way shiva i am not too impressed with that link :) it just reminds me of all the way them pyramid schemes and other schemes are advertised.. would love to hear of somebody who has done it though..

[Creative Lorraine]

How is everyone ? I hope fine ...
I would like to share with you Vitamin D3 5000 IU is helping my Sugar levels
low/high.. I don't always eat raw as to working and distractions in life gotta
focus get in a routine and stick to ... Also it has more benefits

I have found in my research a lot vitamin companies have fillers in their products
Always read the label online before you venture to stores or health food outlets
or buying online.
I did find out GNC products don't have the fillers and to me I'm sensitive to soy and some fish by products
Also you might want to check with Dr. your Vitamin D levels
As far as arthritis goes Fish oil is good for that... Friend at work gave her Husband some, made
his hands better being a Car mechanic for years .
I developed tendinitis on both arms from my job and Vitamin D3 helped it...
But I didn't see results until like 3 months for all of this ... I watched Bill Ryans
Video with a Lady on Vitamin D3... I'm sorry..... I'm been reading for 3 hours
on the net and bookmarking things and just to lazy at this point to find addy's
for this ...Hope you understand

Okay, I gotta do it ..just my nature... http://www.tampabay.com/news/aging/article879333.ece
Coconut oil in article this I saw Additionally, ketones may be beneficial to those with Huntington's disease, multiple sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's disease, and Type I and II diabetes.

Luv
Lorraine

[bennycog]

hey lorraine.. I will surely let the sun contribute to as much vitamin d it can provide me too. without the melanoma's ofcourse :)

[jorr lundstrom]

I have a friend who got Diabetes type II when he was 60.

He was put on large dosis of Insulin.

He changed his diet totally and started to take one hours walk every afternoon.

He decreased the dosis of insulin over time. It took some months to

totally quit the insulin. And he has been okey for 5 years now.

But he is a very stubborn person and I think that was a help too. :ranger:

[Tangri]

I have recently been diagnosed diabetic.. i was feeling really tired and drinking so much water and well, anything i could get a hold of for around 2 weeks. I was heading off to work at a place called roxby downs in the middle of south australia. I usually drive all the way from adelaide which is around a 6 hr drive. I got about half an hr out and had to get someone else to drive as i was soo tired. I just layed in the back drinking water and stopping for a wee every half an hr.. I just thought i needed to harden up, take a spoon of concrete lol.. We got to our destination and once there we have to go and do a drug test so we can be passed to go onto the minesite (When you work or aare a contractor for BHP they are happy to know they own you from the time you enter their lease.)
I had the test and explained why my wee was so clear and she said it sounds like blood sugar, so she did a test ( not a prick test) and said " i think you should go to the hospital" Once at the hospital it took me a little while before i could cinvince them just to check my blood sugar levels and they finally oblidged. My levels were 33.. which is quite high, they were looking at me wondering how i was still able to comprehend talking and walking :)
They have since lost my test to confirm whether i am type 1 or 2. I realize now that in the past i have had many hypers (low blood sugar), because the feelings i have got in the past coincide with what i have experienced since i have been diagnosed.. In the past i have just stuck through it somehow working really hard until lunch time, and i am the supervisor in our company so i would wait till a time to stop work where it would cause less downtime.. amazingly i never went into any comas lol
The feeling of low blood sugar is i have to say the worst feeling you can get. you get real emotional very quickly and your body shakes as it is screaming for clucose.. you will get through half a sentence and forget what the hell you where talking about.. amongst this ailments i have arthritis too and only recently turned 32..
gets better from here doesn't it :)
I have mms and have finally got into contact with a mate of bill's 'andreas' he has gave me a few pointers on how to treat my arthitis with it btu any info on how it can help the diabetes would be much appreciated..

Ill PM you shiva, and see what the link was you posted. But we should continue any talk back on here for others to see.
I do take insulan and have been trying to have some sort of diet which is hard for me because of all the travel i do.
Hi Bennycog,

You need to see a better Hospital or medical center other than that company offered.
It sounds like Diabetes incipitus. it is not common diabetes (diabetes mellitus) .
Also MIR is going to help to catch if there any nodule./s
Love and Peace with health

[bennycog]

hey tonga,
yes seeing a much better place now. i don't recommend getting caught up and having to stay at royal adelaide hospital. thought the diabetes supporters that come around where pretty good. i forgot everything they said because i was still fluctuatting so much..
the one thing i am finding more and more is the rate at what i am forgetting things like peoples names and such.. is it related?
can you tell me more about Diabetes incipitus while i research it?

[Tangri]

hey tonga,
yes seeing a much better place now. i don't recommend getting caught up and having to stay at royal adelaide hospital. thought the diabetes supporters that come around where pretty good. i forgot everything they said because i was still fluctuatting so much..
the one thing i am finding more and more is the rate at what i am forgetting things like peoples names and such.. is it related?
can you tell me more about Diabetes incipitus while i research it?

Hello Benny,

Check these web sites;
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000377.htm

http://www.rxmed.com/b.main/b1.illness/b1.1.illnesses/DIABETES%20INSIPIDUS.htm

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/diabetes-insipidus/DS00799/DSECTION=treatments-and-drugs

Love and Peace with Health

[Victoria Tintagel]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=6219&d=1300568586Sweet Avaloneans :) as food is one of my interests, mostly to be enjoyed and shared, I became a healthfoodconsultant. I offer some advise on remedies for diabetes : remove all refined sugar and other refined and processed instant ready products from your dinner table and choose fresh food, sweet tasting vegetables, like carrots and beetroots, grains, like rice and oat, for example. Preferably clean pure products, like the organic ones.

Choose also the "opposite" taste in bitter vegetables and herbs. There are some Indonesian bitter herbs that are beneficial to diabetes conditions. No sweet dried or fresh fruit/juices. Fruitsugars are the same as white sugar, to the body, they give you soaring bloodsugarlevels. Carbohydrates also end up as sugar in your blood. The hormone insulin balances the bloodsugarlevel. All refined wheat products, made of white flour, miss a natural balance: the amount of fibre and other material that is a natural part of a vegetable, when with its roots in the Earth. When all edible parts of a plant are used, the body is happy. Remember fibre's function as stimulator of the intestines and it's role as non digestive bulk in the stomach: creating a feeling of satisfaction.

Sugar is the ultimate "mood sweetener" and this stuff does help humans to stay in the body: children who stare at screens a lot, are revived by sweets, they land in their bodies..... to jump out of them again, when the bloodsugar dip kicks in and the intake of sweets is repeated: yammie :) Our consciousness should do that job, the strength of our individual I AM presence. When we choose to let refined sugar do the job for us, we weaken that strenghth.

This condition is also linked to heritage, so when ancestors were diabetic, their grandchildren may be paying the price. By saying this, I don't intend to judge anyone, or their ancestors, believe me.
I offer these opinions as food for thought, this is a metaphysical approach of the phenomenon diabetes and part of it stems from my own experience with and knowledge of the influence of sugar and part of it stems from the insights of Rudolf Steiner, a visionair who lived in the second half of the 19th century. He is the initiator of the Antroposophy, born in Austria.

These opinions offer insights on the link between the physical and non physical body, connected to digestion issues. Go visit www.rsarchives.org if you are interested. When refined sugar was invented, it was treated as poison, because its effect was huge. That is to say: treated as poison in dealing very small amounts of it. It's a drug, actuallly, and drugs are poisonous by nature: they destroy the body. Refined sugar has become so much part of our food, that many people don't think about it. Thinking becomes clear, when refined sugar is banned from your diet, but don't believe me on my word please. Experiment with your diet and try fasting for a week or so, by eating only small doses of grains and green vegetables 3 times a day, with some salty bouillon in between, when in need for it. This time of year is fabulous for such a diet.

I am not at all a phanatic foodie, because I believe food should be appreciated and enjoyed. Lady Gaia offers us sustainment for our bodies, which are the temples of our souls. I myself am not in favor of strict dieting and fasting, because the detox can be quite severe. Depending on the type of diet you're on of course....even if it's rubberfoam:) Enjoy your dinners and table company, don't forget to pray first... ha ha.. just joking. Be in grace, Victoria Tintagel.

[bilko]

I have recently been diagnosed diabetic.. i was feeling really tired and drinking so much water and well, anything i could get a hold of for around 2 weeks. I was heading off to work at a place called roxby downs in the middle of south australia. I usually drive all the way from adelaide which is around a 6 hr drive. I got about half an hr out and had to get someone else to drive as i was soo tired. I just layed in the back drinking water and stopping for a wee every half an hr.. I just thought i needed to harden up, take a spoon of concrete lol.. We got to our destination and once there we have to go and do a drug test so we can be passed to go onto the minesite (When you work or aare a contractor for BHP they are happy to know they own you from the time you enter their lease.)
I had the test and explained why my wee was so clear and she said it sounds like blood sugar, so she did a test ( not a prick test) and said " i think you should go to the hospital" Once at the hospital it took me a little while before i could cinvince them just to check my blood sugar levels and they finally oblidged. My levels were 33.. which is quite high, they were looking at me wondering how i was still able to comprehend talking and walking :)
They have since lost my test to confirm whether i am type 1 or 2. I realize now that in the past i have had many hypers (low blood sugar), because the feelings i have got in the past coincide with what i have experienced since i have been diagnosed.. In the past i have just stuck through it somehow working really hard until lunch time, and i am the supervisor in our company so i would wait till a time to stop work where it would cause less downtime.. amazingly i never went into any comas lol
The feeling of low blood sugar is i have to say the worst feeling you can get. you get real emotional very quickly and your body shakes as it is screaming for clucose.. you will get through half a sentence and forget what the hell you where talking about.. amongst this ailments i have arthritis too and only recently turned 32..
gets better from here doesn't it :)
I have mms and have finally got into contact with a mate of bill's 'andreas' he has gave me a few pointers on how to treat my arthitis with it btu any info on how it can help the diabetes would be much appreciated..

Ill PM you shiva, and see what the link was you posted. But we should continue any talk back on here for others to see.
I do take insulan and have been trying to have some sort of diet which is hard for me because of all the travel i do.
Benny
You need to take a look at Dave the raw food trucker on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dave%20the%20raw%20food%20trucker&search=Search&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&spell=1

He cured his bad diabetes and something else too with raw food. Raw is easy because there is no cooking and little or no prep.
Also take a look at the liferegenerator, he is fantastic.

I am not a medical doctor and don't claim any cures blah blah!

[Opal]

bennycog, a blood sugar of 33 is not high, it is very low... did they not feed you when they saw that?

unless they use a totally different scale in australia...which I doubt.

Hi Arrowwind,

Yes, Australia does use a different measurement system for Diabetes than the USA.
'33' is EXTREME!!

I am a Diabetic 2 sufferer and I am absolutely AMAZED :eek::eek: that Bennycog made it to Roxby and then to the Doc's etc.

Opal

[Opal]

Hi Bennycog,


Oh wow! reading your post, reminded me of how I was, when I first got diagnosed as being a Type 2 Diabetic.
I know this is not like a normal topic to talk on, but I was surprised when I read every 30 mins, as I sat back and thought 'gee! just like me'.

All that tiredness, drinking of water and going to the loo non-stop, exactly like you said every 30 mins!! (Gosh they couldve set the clock in my office with it! lolol)
That's another way of knowing my sugars are playing up, as I now dont test myself religiously every morning, noon and tea time, just now and then when I feel lousy, but if I find that I'll be drinking say, 600ml water and then no more than 10 mins later, its off to the 'you know where'.
Hmmm..wonder if the body uses that water to flush the sugars out ASAP?

But its a sign that sugars are up, also have you heard of 'ketones' ?? That is another aspect of diabetes where the urine goes dark - where as you know the other way its so clear - but it darkens, and has a distinct smell, when its like that, IMO, run to the Doctors, as that is, well as I have learnt for myself, the first signs of a bladder infection - another thing that plagues diabetics - and is caused by high sugars in your urine.

I thought Diabetes Type 2, was not/wouldnt be, as bad as Insulin dependent Diabetes Type 1, but, seems its bad no matter if its 1 or 2.

Thanks for sharing your story Bennycog :cool: It must have been difficult working and trying to cope, not knowing what was wrong with you, and how, no matter how much you rested you always felt tired - I know - as that's how it was and still is for me, at times now.

Also, this is one thing that only Diabetics understand, but when your sugar's arent right, its like your whole body is just slightly off edge...like one half of you, isnt in line with the other half, so to say. Weird feeling.

I'm currently taking 1500mg of Metformin daily, but my Doc still says at 8, my sugars are too high and is looking at putting me onto something else.

Diet wise, sigh....hard to keep on it, as everyone likes a treat from time to time and now with Easter Eggs out in the stores, especially those Creme Eggs by Cadbury, :nono::nono: to die for! sighhhhh....:eyebrows::no:

Opal

[bennycog]

Benny
You need to take a look at Dave the raw food trucker on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dave%20the%20raw%20food%20trucker&search=Search&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&spell=1

He cured his bad diabetes and something else too with raw food. Raw is easy because there is no cooking and little or no prep.
Also take a look at the liferegenerator, he is fantastic.

I am not a medical doctor and don't claim any cures blah blah!

Thanx mate.. i have saved the vid in my favourites and will check out all the info supplied :)
much love

[bennycog]

bennycog, a blood sugar of 33 is not high, it is very low... did they not feed you when they saw that?

unless they use a totally different scale in australia...which I doubt.

Hi Arrowwind,

Yes, Australia does use a different measurement system for Diabetes than the USA.
'33' is EXTREME!!

I am a Diabetic 2 sufferer and I am absolutely AMAZED :eek::eek: that Bennycog made it to Roxby and then to the Doc's etc.

Opal

Evening opal,
That is why they did not test me straight up though i was a little pale and staring a little into space.. They were saying my reaction time and coordination did not at all match the readings i had, because there was virtually no food going to my brain and certain parts of my body.. The doctors and nurses there had not seen anyone over 29 without being in a coma.. of course they would have heard of a lot more being higher too :)
I will make sure my next GF is a nurse so she can help me reach 100 :)

[bennycog]

Hello Opal,
Do you have a little man sitting on your shoulders saying " the chocolate you will eat " :)
Yes it really is a wierd feeling. I would not know what to align it with. Deep quick onset depression Mixed with the desire to be supefull of sugar..
I am pretty sure the ketones deal with potassium in your body.. That is what i remember anyway.. if i am wrong i really need to research again..
I was on metformin, 2 every day. I am trying to regulate with diet btu i am finding i need insulan.. lets hope i am type 2 so i can eventually just use food.. because if something happens and all refrigeration is wiped out because of "the sh@t hitting the fan" then the insulan dependant diabetes people would be kind of up the creek without the insulan..
And thank you for your story too.. I know we all probably have quite a few to tell..

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I am a diabetic and struggling with it. I have no health insurance, but fortunately I don't need injections. I eat better than most Americans, but I still crave sugar and carbohydrates. I have recently developed a taste for citrus fruit finally. I have been trying for years to develop a taste for fruits and vegetables, but it's not coming easy. I get frustrated with the advice we always get of "just eat like this.." My vegan friends don't understand that when I open the fridge and see a lovely head of red leaf lettuce, carrots, and cucumbers, it does not register in my brain as food. It doesn't look like food to me and I have no desire for it. Many of us have to find a way to reprogram that or all the advice in teh world won't help.

Anyways, the point of my post is that I would like to hook up with some of you and support each other. Most people here still think I'm crazy for not eating aspartame and sucrolose. The American Medical Association takes large donations from Splenda and pushes the stuff like a pimped out drug dealer. So, it's hard to find good choices.

When I had health insurance, metformin worked well for me. Now I am drinking stevia soft drinks when my cravings get real bad.

[bennycog]

i know what you mean whisky..
i will not touch the zero sugar stuff.. It is worse than smoking by the sounds of it..
i will have to search for stevia drinks.. are they only a usa drink?

[Heather2017]

Gradually recovering sugarholic here. Stevia drops are great. Wish I could find more products sweetened with Stevia instead of sugar.

[Arrowwind]

i have not experienced it much at all lately but at the start i was. when i was trying to get my sugars back to normal.
And like i said before i realize now that i have suffered from hypos in the past at work, way before i was ever diagnosed.
i am doing everything i can to see if i can be rid of it and then hopefully help others out too..
i consider myself one tough dude and won't let it beat me i assure you that.

I am aware that some people are kicking their diabetes with MMS1. It would be worth a try

[Arrowwind]

i know what you mean whisky..
i will not touch the zero sugar stuff.. It is worse than smoking by the sounds of it..
i will have to search for stevia drinks.. are they only a usa drink?

You can purchase stevia via mail order.. They ship to lots of different countries from this site
www.iherb.com (http://www.iherb.com) and if you put a coupon code BAR967 in you'll get 5 bucks off your first purchase

They have the best price anywhere. Stevia is used in some other countries.
Xylitol is also a sweetener you can use some of. The body makes some of its own xykitol through
some metabolic process... it is non toxic but too much bothers some folks gut and they get the rumbles from it
I never had a problem, most people don't

[Swanette]

thanx agape..
You know the funny thing is i have never liked coke and sugary drinks like that and very very rarely had any lollies or chocolate. i was always more a fruit ant nut type person..

i cant give you the link.. but the link that shiva has, tells of how white bread and the way it is bleached can actually attack the pancreas..
By the way shiva i am not too impressed with that link :) it just reminds me of all the way them pyramid schemes and other schemes are advertised.. would love to hear of somebody who has done it though..

I use Eleotin. It is the only treatment that has worked for me. I have been on it for many months now and have no more blood sugar problems. Check it out... It is from Eastwood Bio-Medical Research.

[bennycog]

i have not experienced it much at all lately but at the start i was. when i was trying to get my sugars back to normal.
And like i said before i realize now that i have suffered from hypos in the past at work, way before i was ever diagnosed.
i am doing everything i can to see if i can be rid of it and then hopefully help others out too..
i consider myself one tough dude and won't let it beat me i assure you that.


I am aware that some people are kicking their diabetes with MMS1. It would be worth a try



I have mms 1 and am getting info on how to take it from a source or two.. just have to get over the hump of keeping it down :)

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i know what you mean whisky..
i will not touch the zero sugar stuff.. It is worse than smoking by the sounds of it..
i will have to search for stevia drinks.. are they only a usa drink?

You can purchase stevia via mail order.. They ship to lots of different countries from this site
www.iherb.com (http://www.iherb.com) and if you put a coupon code BAR967 in you'll get 5 bucks off your first purchase

They have the best price anywhere. Stevia is used in some other countries.
Xylitol is also a sweetener you can use some of. The body makes some of its own xykitol through
some metabolic process... it is non toxic but too much bothers some folks gut and they get the rumbles from it
I never had a problem, most people don't


Cheers arrowind.. your a big help :) there are lots on here to back with and try out now.. guess i will have to do one at a time so i have the right results.

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thanx agape..
You know the funny thing is i have never liked coke and sugary drinks like that and very very rarely had any lollies or chocolate. i was always more a fruit ant nut type person..

i cant give you the link.. but the link that shiva has, tells of how white bread and the way it is bleached can actually attack the pancreas..
By the way shiva i am not too impressed with that link :) it just reminds me of all the way them pyramid schemes and other schemes are advertised.. would love to hear of somebody who has done it though..

I use Eleotin. It is the only treatment that has worked for me. I have been on it for many months now and have no more blood sugar problems. Check it out... It is from Eastwood Bio-Medical Research.

why thankyou swanette,
I will certainly look into it.. how many people have tried it do you know?

[Whiskey_Mystic]

The stevia soft drink brand is called Zevia. It's only been out a few months I think. I get it at Whole Foods and a few health food stores.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i157/SealJuice/Zevia.jpg

[Swanette]

I use Eleotin. It is the only treatment that has worked for me. I have been on it for many months now and have no more blood sugar problems. Check it out... It is from Eastwood Bio-Medical Research.

why thankyou swanette,
I will certainly look into it.. how many people have tried it do you know?

From what I have been told there are over 200,000 customers worldwide. Check out their website. It started over 20 years ago. It is the only treatment that has worked for me. It started from the University of Calgary Diabetes Research Labs. http://www.eastwoodcompanies.com

[The Truth Is In There]

i don't know what the post that started this thread was about but based on what i have learned about the various kinds of degenerative diseases, including diabetes, i can tell that they're pretty much all caused either by parasites or by toxins or both (parasites and perhaps also toxins in the pancreas in the case of diabetes).

that's the reason why for example mms can cure diabetes, because it kills the parasites. however, parasites don't affect healthy organs, only those that are damaged for one reason or another - toxins, bad nutrition, weak detoxification due to a congested liver etc. if you are truly healthy there's no way you can get any degenerative disease, it's impossible because your immune system will kill off any and all parasites before they can harm you. if, on the other hand, you just kill the parasites but do nothing about your unhealthy lifestyle you'll have them back again in no time.

what you have to do to get rid of diabetes and STAY disease-free is changing your diet to a healthy vegetarian one, cleansing your colon, kidneys, liver and gallbladder, and of course kill the germs, either with mms or a zapper. your body will do the rest. it knows what's best for you if you give it the chance.

for those who want to know more i recommend "the cure for all diseases" by hulda clark. she has practically proven that almost every disease is caused by parasites and/or toxins and describes one excellent way how you can deal with them. mms is another way. "timeless secrets of health and rejuvenation" by andreas moritz is also highly recommended.

[Arrowwind]

I have heard good things about eleotin too, but if you have to stay on it forever you know you are not cured.. some people who do the mms get cured. MMS will address the parasites and some toxin issues.. remember, parasites can be single cellular too, so Im not talking about the big guys.

With mms, just go slow, lower dosages, more frequently.
www.jimhumble.biz (http://www.jimhumble.biz) is the best plast for instructions.

I was so freaked out by what you wrote in your first post... seems you are educating your self... the tests where every you are are quite different than what they are here so it sounded like you were in very serious trouble, then Caren pm'ed me and explained it how the tests work that you use

[ktlight]

A friend of mine had type II diabetes and went on a specific diet provided by http://www.lighterlife.com/ and lost a great deal of weight and no longer is a sufferer. This is one way to get rid of Type II.

Hulda Clark uses herbs and a zapper, to cleanse the organs and also to clean the blood. I suggest you look seriously into this. I use a zapper to clean my blood.

Hospitals etc only look for specific results and do not use dark matter blood tests. Dark matter blood tests show everything in it, parasites and all.

To get an idea of your Vitamin D levels, you should get the result of what is in your blood (25(OH)D), NOT kidneys (1,25(OH)2D). Vitamin D3 assists in Type I diabetes in particular, at high levels, more than the sun can provide.

"Vitamin D usually acts as a hormone precursor, requiring two stages of metabolism before reaching hormonal form. Following absorption or endogenous synthesis, it is metabolized to 25- hydroxycholecalciferol (25(OH)D) in the hepatocytes. 25(OH)D is the major circulating form of vitamin D, but is not biologically active. Then, the biologically active hormone form, 1 alpha, 25-dihydroxycholecalciferol (1,25(OH)2D) is produced in the kidneys.
Along with the classic role it plays in regulation of bone mineralization and serum calcium levels, vitamin D has been increasingly recognized to play important roles in the regulation of blood sugar within normal levels, and supporting normal muscle strength, the health of connective tissue, and the gastrointestinal, immune, circulatory, and respiratory systems. Gabriele Stähler"

The info immediately above are excerpts.

I just visited the Apple Cider thread and lifted this out for you to read:
Major Illnesses Diabetes
Apple Cider Vinegar may help to control high blood sugar levels, which is why it is often used as a natural treatment for Diabetes. Visit our Diabetes Remedies page to learn more about how ACV can be used to treat this condition.
What are the Side Effects of Apple Cider Vinegar?

I hope this helps.

[bennycog]

ktlight,
much appreciated.. avalon is such a fascinating place.. The other little thing about my diabetes is i am not overweight.. Maybe by around 5 kilo's, but i need the muscle and weight i have to do my job. I used to be a footy player so have tree trunks for legs lol.
I think i have a blood test lying around here somewhere i could post some results if that might interest you?

[conk]

Dr. Julian Whitaker is a good guy, yes.

Diabetics, please know that wheat raises insulin levels higher than most any other food product. Sugar and grains are forbidden foods for diabetics.

Yes, the conventional diabetes story is a huge lie. Just like cancer, heart dis-ease, high blood pressure/cholesterol, and many others. The elegantly simple truth is that the human body is designed to heal itself. No need for modern medicine's ill concieved ideas on treating and managing dis-ease. The body just needs the right nutrients, while avoiding and removing toxins. Equally, or perhaps more importantly, emotions must be in check.

[ktlight]

ktlight,
much appreciated.. avalon is such a fascinating place.. The other little thing about my diabetes is i am not overweight.. Maybe by around 5 kilo's, but i need the muscle and weight i have to do my job. I used to be a footy player so have tree trunks for legs lol.
I think i have a blood test lying around here somewhere i could post some results if that might interest you?

Post them by all means. Someone may be able to read them, but not me. I merely have an interest in health issues. The point really is that you would need that particular test done of the blood to know whether Vitamin D3 is an issue.

Personally, I would go for herbs and zapping, for the cleansing of the liver and kidneys, since parasites seem to inhabit a great deal of us, especially in fat, and I did read that diabetes sufferers should be cleansed, as a matter of priority. I think Type I was being referred to.

Hope this helps.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I placed an order for MMS about five days ago. Looking forward to seeing what it can do.

[Connecting with Sauce]

This is a good movie on the topic - Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days (http://www.rawfor30days.com/index4.html)

Great movie... I think the message about garbage in, garbage out is getting through...

[Connecting with Sauce]

I am a diabetic and struggling with it. I have no health insurance, but fortunately I don't need injections. I eat better than most Americans, but I still crave sugar and carbohydrates. I have recently developed a taste for citrus fruit finally. I have been trying for years to develop a taste for fruits and vegetables, but it's not coming easy. I get frustrated with the advice we always get of "just eat like this.." My vegan friends don't understand that when I open the fridge and see a lovely head of red leaf lettuce, carrots, and cucumbers, it does not register in my brain as food. It doesn't look like food to me and I have no desire for it. Many of us have to find a way to reprogram that or all the advice in teh world won't help.

Anyways, the point of my post is that I would like to hook up with some of you and support each other. Most people here still think I'm crazy for not eating aspartame and sucrolose. The American Medical Association takes large donations from Splenda and pushes the stuff like a pimped out drug dealer. So, it's hard to find good choices.

When I had health insurance, metformin worked well for me. Now I am drinking stevia soft drinks when my cravings get real bad.

Some interesting reads here:

http://www.whale.to/v/sugar.html
http://www.whale.to/b/sugar.html
http://www.whale.to/w/excitotoxins.html

I'd also try doing liquid HCG I managed to get 12 kg of weight off using this homoepathic liquid and also helped get off carbs / sugar... will power required and a wanting to change...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3540-Weight-loss-cure-THEY-don-t-want-you-to-know-about...&highlight=weight+loss+cure