French planes in the air over Libya.

[bodixa]

And so it begins...

Keep an eye on your news sources..


http://www.bfmtv.com/

[Dorok]

While every other government stands around with their hands in their pockets, France has recognized the rebel government and is trying to save them. Funny how 'sovereignty' is only sacred to some people when they don't want to do anything. Vive le resistance! Vive la France!

[bodixa]

Yeah, good for France, but maybe things not always as they seem.

My thoughts at the moment are these:

Dave Cameron is really pissed that Scotland under the Labour government released Lockerbie Bomber, Magrahi on compassionate terms, only for him to return to Libya to a rapturous reception and still be stirring the pot.

Obama has an agenda to represent the USA on the international stage as 'leading from behind' or 'first among equals'... and is pressing the coalition point.

The UK Coalition are showing a united front on this (All party members got an email this morning - this is important politically in the UK)

They want Gadaffi out. Who knows how this will pan out, but Gadaffi was never going to pay attention teh UN resolution. Prepare for some suicide bombers.

Personally I'm steering clear of trains and planes for a bit.

Sarkozy to speak any moment. :)

[Calz]

While every other government stands around with their hands in their pockets, France has recognized the rebel government and is trying to save them. Funny how 'sovereignty' is only sacred to some people when they don't want to do anything. Vive le resistance! Vive la France!

Well Libya was a French "colony" was it not?

[Dorok]

While every other government stands around with their hands in their pockets, France has recognized the rebel government and is trying to save them. Funny how 'sovereignty' is only sacred to some people when they don't want to do anything. Vive le resistance! Vive la France!

Well Libya was a French "colony" was it not?

They are more in bed with Italy these days, so it could be interpreted as a cynical move to get their foot in. My only point it that I'm glad someone is helping the 'rebels' while MQ sends hired mercs to slaughter them.

[Dorok]

And just a jab to my rightwing, conservative, Reagan worshiping friends (I live in the US Midwest after all...), I like to throw a rhetorical trope they like to use back at them: Reagan should have taken him out in the '80s! ;)

Yes, I do know that this is not productive, but turn about is fair play!

[indiana]

Wouldn't trust Sarkozy even as far as I could throw the wee fart.

[Calz]

And just a jab to my rightwing, conservative, Reagan worshiping friends (I live in the US Midwest after all...), I like to throw a rhetorical trope they like to use back at them: Reagan should have taken him out in the '80s! ;)

Yes, I do know that this is not productive, but turn about is fair play!

lol ... not sure if that was hurled in my direction but no matter.

I am from the midwest and the left/right paradym is nonsense is it not???

Both sides consist (mostly) of comprimised and paid off traitors.

Divide and conquer ... remember :)

Anyhoo ... I only point out that Libya *was* a colony of France (as USA was (actually still is depending on how far down the rabbit hole you go) of England).

I ignored politics in general most of my life but had it shoved down my throat with 9/11 waking me up to the dangers of sleepwalking though life. Reagan (imho) was a great actor (on the screen and in the presidency). Again imho we have lost real leadership in this country since Ike and Kennedy.

[Dorok]

And just a jab to my rightwing, conservative, Reagan worshiping friends (I live in the US Midwest after all...), I like to throw a rhetorical trope they like to use back at them: Reagan should have taken him out in the '80s! ;)

Yes, I do know that this is not productive, but turn about is fair play!

lol ... not sure if that was hurled in my direction but no matter.

I am from the midwest and the left/right paradym is nonsense is it not???

Both sides consist (mostly) of comprimised and paid of traitors.

Divide and conquer ... remember :)

Anyhoo ... I only point out that Libya *was* a colony of France (as USA was (actually still is depending on how far down the rabbit hole you go) of England).

I ignored politics in general most of my life but had it shoved down my throat with 9/11 waking me up to the dangers of sleepwalking though life. Reagan (imho) was a great actor (on the screen and in the presidency). Again imho we have lost real leadership in this country since Ike and Kennedy.

Sorry! I didn't notice you were from here too! That wasn't towards you at all. And it is nonsense. I just like throwing nonsense back at the nonsense throwers, especially when it hits them in a way that should demonstrate to them the original nonsense. Does that make sense? :)

[bodixa]

Hey, here's a question, what do you think 'the unique capabilities at the front' are that Obama and Hilary just mentioned???

[Ahkenaten]

maybe Obama and Hilary intend to parachute in and take charge

[MorningSong]

U.S. launches first missiles against Gadhafi forces]

March 19, 2011 -- Updated 2004 GMT (0404 HKT)

The U.S. military has launched its first missiles in Libya against Moammar Gadhafi's forces, a senior Defense Department official said Saturday.

Earlier, French fighter jets deployed over Libya fired at a military vehicle on Saturday, the country's first strike against Moammar Gadhafi's military forces who earlier attacked the rebel stronghold of Benghazi.

U.S. Tomahawk missiles have landed in the western area around Tripoli and Misrata, the American military official said.

"He's clearly been on the offensive," the official said of Gadhafi. "He said that he was going to do a cease-fire and he continued to move his forces into Benghazi."

The military official said the attacks on Gadhafi's forces will be part of a multiphase approach in a sequential and deliberate manner.

"The U.S. will be at the front end of this, providing the unique capabilities that the U.S has," the official said.

While French jets launched the first attacks on Gadhafi's forces, Americans jets will be part of the enforcement. "When this commences, we'll have American aircraft involved," the official said.

The French Defense Ministry said its attack aircraft being used to take out tanks and artillery have deemed Benghazi and the surrounding area an "exclusion zone."

The French are using surveillance aircraft and two frigates in the operation to protect civilians. The aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle will soon depart Toulon, France.

"Our air force will oppose any aggression by Colonel Gadhafi against the population of Benghazi," said French President Nicolas Sarkozy, speaking after an international, top-level meeting in Paris over the Libyan crisis.

"As of now, our aircraft are preventing planes from attacking the town," he said, calling the intervention a "grave decision."

The international show of force is much welcomed by besieged rebel forces who have called for backup to help them stave off a government offensive against their positions in Benghazi and other rebel-held enclaves

An opposition spokesman in Benghazi said Gadhafi forces that assaulted the city earlier Saturday are now positioned outside the town. However, the forces are preparing for more attacks.

Western and Arab allies were coordinating the use of military assets to thwart Gadhafi's offensive.

Canada will be one of four principal partners helping to enforce the no-fly zone over Libya. Six Canadian CF-18 fighter jets are en route to an Italian base in Sicily and the HMCS Charlottetown will be in position to help with the naval blockade against Libya.

British officials held a crisis meeting Saturday evening.

The United States continued to broadcast the message that it is a member of, and is assisting, the coalition, rather than taking the lead role.

"America has unique capabilities, and we will bring them to bear to help our European and Canadian allies and Arab partners to stop further violence against civilians including through the effective implementation of a no-fly zone," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said.

Sarkozy said Gadhafi still has time to stop its activities. As of Friday, France, Britain, the United States and Arab League nations passed along a warning for Gadhafi to stop his operations immediately.

But "Gadhafi has totally ignored the warning" and "in the last few hours his forces have stepped up their deadly offenses," Sarkozy said.....

continued...http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/19/libya.civil.war/index.html

[bodixa]

Interesting how neutralised we've become to this kind of thing...

Trying to imagine how distressing it would be if a coalition of 5 military forces started sending forced over London or Los Angeles...

A UN force goes in yet again to zap a dictator.... same old same old...

110 Tomahawk Cruise Missiles sent out this afternoon!!!!(US Time)

This is serious ****.

[Ahkenaten]

yeah it would be REAL interesting if the UN decided to attack ALL dictators.......................

[bodixa]

They just admitted that the operation IS under US command for now and will be transferred to Coalition command in a few days..


What sort of name is 'Odyssey Dawn'?

One of the senior UK guys in the Bosnian war just got very emotional on a BBC interview, reflecting on the atrocities there and his fear that the same would develop in Libya..

Good coverage..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418

I tend to think that Gadaffi will only give in after making the biggest mess possible. Sounds like he'll fight to the last.

[bennycog]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8226223/obama-authorises-military-action-in-libya

Now this remark by obama for his little spiel for the people is utterly disgusting.. quoted below..

"But we cannot stand idly by when a tyrant tells his people that there will be no mercy, and when his forces step up their assault on cities like Benghazi and Misrata where innocent men and women face brutality and death at the hands of their own government."

[Peacelovinman]

While every other government stands around with their hands in their pockets, France has recognized the rebel government and is trying to save them. Funny how 'sovereignty' is only sacred to some people when they don't want to do anything. Vive le resistance! Vive la France!

Sorry, but I believe you are sorely deceived. France, in my opinion, want back into North Africa and a share of the oil spoils. Plenty of US/UK/European backed regimes slaughter their own people without a murmur - what is different about Libya?

[Lord Sidious]

If anyone really believes France or any other nations gives a toss about Libyans and that is why they are there, I have some real good snake oil for you guys.
These are the same nations enslaving their own, yet we are led to believe they are freeing others?
Erm, no.

[Calz]

maybe Obama and Hilary intend to parachute in and take charge

Now there is a vision for you :)

Perhaps the artist who does the drawings on Rense could handle it.

[bashi]

Just imagine part of Iran under "green revolution" command....

[Calz]

If anyone really believes France or any other nations gives a toss about Libyans and that is why they are there, I have some real good snake oil for you guys.
These are the same nations enslaving their own, yet we are led to believe they are freeing others?
Erm, no.


Ummmmm ... snake oil!!!!

What flavors do I have to chose from???

[Rocky_Shorz]

yeah it would be REAL interesting if the UN decided to attack ALL dictators.......................

well it would be best if they all understood the people don't need their Kings to step down, just sideways and hand over control of the country to the people.

Making this move will always leave them in an adviser role and would win the hearts of their subjects...

¤=[Post Update]=¤

the simple answers are always the best...

no wars, no hate, no divisions...

just a whole world moving forward to peace

[granny]

If anyone really believes France or any other nations gives a toss about Libyans and that is why they are there, I have some real good snake oil for you guys.
These are the same nations enslaving their own, yet we are led to believe they are freeing others?
Erm, no.

Mmmm....
gotta be that black gold then.

[Calz]

If anyone really believes France or any other nations gives a toss about Libyans and that is why they are there, I have some real good snake oil for you guys.
These are the same nations enslaving their own, yet we are led to believe they are freeing others?
Erm, no.

Mmmm....
gotta be that black gold then.

Could be on to somethin there granny.

How many cruise missiles have been launched to stop all the *REAL* genocide going on in the rest of Africa???

[indiana]

If anyone really believes France or any other nations gives a toss about Libyans and that is why they are there, I have some real good snake oil for you guys.
These are the same nations enslaving their own, yet we are led to believe they are freeing others?
Erm, no.


Doctor, I concur..

[Lord Sidious]

If anyone really believes France or any other nations gives a toss about Libyans and that is why they are there, I have some real good snake oil for you guys.
These are the same nations enslaving their own, yet we are led to believe they are freeing others?
Erm, no.


Ummmmm ... snake oil!!!!

What flavors do I have to chose from???

Flavours? You want flavours?

[bodixa]

This is deeply worrying. 'Odyssey Dawn' must have been on the table for months...

Funny how suddenly this long ruling men in Egypt and Libya are no longer useful ....

Why must the will of the international community be enforced?

What's wrong with this picture?

William Hague scared me this morning with this comment: "We have the resources to do what we started, now of course it is a great help to have many countries involved as well." And that from a man from Barnsley... sheesh ;o)

Would love to be a fly on the wall behind doors..

[the_flyingboy]

do yous think that this is when france gets nuked?

[sygh]

I agree with Gerald Celente...

http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com/2011/03/gerald-celente-with-brian-wilson-of.html

Hush now, don't struggle; it will all be over in a minute.

[bashi]

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[Nervana]

I do not believe for one minute that the US gov or any other government involved in this gives a crap about "rebel forces". War is meant to take over and establish a new order. What we read online and hear on the bias news channels are just lies and double talk. Killing is killing, no matter what side you are on. Pray for peace without war.

[Dorok]

While every other government stands around with their hands in their pockets, France has recognized the rebel government and is trying to save them. Funny how 'sovereignty' is only sacred to some people when they don't want to do anything. Vive le resistance! Vive la France!

Sorry, but I believe you are sorely deceived. France, in my opinion, want back into North Africa and a share of the oil spoils. Plenty of US/UK/European backed regimes slaughter their own people without a murmur - what is different about Libya?

That maybe their ultimate motivation; however, functionally it still mean that the anti-Q forces are finally getting a measure of of respite. And should France profit from supporting the rebels, so be it! No one else was brave enough to announce support for them by recognizing the alternate government. Are you for supporting rebels or dictators? Or can you only support rebels if your motives are profit free? Then we're all screwed...

[Lord Sidious]

While every other government stands around with their hands in their pockets, France has recognized the rebel government and is trying to save them. Funny how 'sovereignty' is only sacred to some people when they don't want to do anything. Vive le resistance! Vive la France!

Sorry, but I believe you are sorely deceived. France, in my opinion, want back into North Africa and a share of the oil spoils. Plenty of US/UK/European backed regimes slaughter their own people without a murmur - what is different about Libya?

That maybe their ultimate motivation; however, functionally it still mean that the anti-Q forces are finally getting a measure of of respite. And should France profit from supporting the rebels, so be it! No one else was brave enough to announce support for them by recognizing the alternate government. Are you for supporting rebels or dictators? Or can you only support rebels if your motives are profit free? Then we're all screwed...

Sorry to tell you this, you fell for the either/or trick.
How do you know that both sides aren't factions in the nwo?

[Dorok]

While every other government stands around with their hands in their pockets, France has recognized the rebel government and is trying to save them. Funny how 'sovereignty' is only sacred to some people when they don't want to do anything. Vive le resistance! Vive la France!

Sorry, but I believe you are sorely deceived. France, in my opinion, want back into North Africa and a share of the oil spoils. Plenty of US/UK/European backed regimes slaughter their own people without a murmur - what is different about Libya?

That maybe their ultimate motivation; however, functionally it still mean that the anti-Q forces are finally getting a measure of of respite. And should France profit from supporting the rebels, so be it! No one else was brave enough to announce support for them by recognizing the alternate government. Are you for supporting rebels or dictators? Or can you only support rebels if your motives are profit free? Then we're all screwed...

Sorry to tell you this, you fell for the either/or trick.
How do you know that both sides aren't factions in the nwo?

I don't care about factions. I care about innocent people not getting screwed in the middle.

[3optic]

While every other government stands around with their hands in their pockets, France has recognized the rebel government and is trying to save them. Funny how 'sovereignty' is only sacred to some people when they don't want to do anything. Vive le resistance! Vive la France!

Sorry, but I believe you are sorely deceived. France, in my opinion, want back into North Africa and a share of the oil spoils. Plenty of US/UK/European backed regimes slaughter their own people without a murmur - what is different about Libya?

That maybe their ultimate motivation; however, functionally it still mean that the anti-Q forces are finally getting a measure of of respite. And should France profit from supporting the rebels, so be it! No one else was brave enough to announce support for them by recognizing the alternate government. Are you for supporting rebels or dictators? Or can you only support rebels if your motives are profit free? Then we're all screwed...

Sorry to tell you this, you fell for the either/or trick.
How do you know that both sides aren't factions in the nwo?

I don't care about factions. I care about innocent people not getting screwed in the middle.

Dorok, guaranteed that will happen if the UN gets it's way. This is Iraq all over again.

[Dorok]

This is Iraq all over again.

That's a large claim, and there is a long way to go before I think that can be made. A sense of certainty about such a hugely negative predetermined outcome is not productive IMO. Otherwise, why resist at all? Don't forget there are real people in harm's way that depend on the rest of the world NOT believing their cause is lost.

[Hervé]

Farrakhan to Obama: "Who the h*** do you think you are!?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY-_JsNrxiM&feature=player_embedded

OY-_JsNrxiM&feature=player_embedded

[Lord Sidious]

While every other government stands around with their hands in their pockets, France has recognized the rebel government and is trying to save them. Funny how 'sovereignty' is only sacred to some people when they don't want to do anything. Vive le resistance! Vive la France!

Sorry, but I believe you are sorely deceived. France, in my opinion, want back into North Africa and a share of the oil spoils. Plenty of US/UK/European backed regimes slaughter their own people without a murmur - what is different about Libya?

That maybe their ultimate motivation; however, functionally it still mean that the anti-Q forces are finally getting a measure of of respite. And should France profit from supporting the rebels, so be it! No one else was brave enough to announce support for them by recognizing the alternate government. Are you for supporting rebels or dictators? Or can you only support rebels if your motives are profit free? Then we're all screwed...

Sorry to tell you this, you fell for the either/or trick.
How do you know that both sides aren't factions in the nwo?

I don't care about factions. I care about innocent people not getting screwed in the middle.

I have no idea what you mean.
If these are two different nwo factions clashing over control of Libya, then yes, innocents will be crushed.

[Calz]

If these are two different nwo factions clashing over control of Libya, then yes, innocents will be crushed.

When it comes to warfare 99.9% of those getting "crushed" have always been "innocents" imho.

The only time "non-innocent" get hurt is by stubbing their toe in their rush to get to the bank.

[Generous]

While every other government stands around with their hands in their pockets, France has recognized the rebel government and is trying to save them. Funny how 'sovereignty' is only sacred to some people when they don't want to do anything. Vive le resistance! Vive la France!

Well Libya was a French "colony" was it not?

No, Italian

[Calz]

While every other government stands around with their hands in their pockets, France has recognized the rebel government and is trying to save them. Funny how 'sovereignty' is only sacred to some people when they don't want to do anything. Vive le resistance! Vive la France!

Well Libya was a French "colony" was it not?

No, Italian

It appears I stand corrected (not the first time I might add) :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Libya#Colonial_policy_under_Fascism

*** after post edit ***

Looks like France got it's fingers in the pie after WWII:

From 1943 to 1951, Tripolitania and Cyrenaica were under British administration, while the French controlled Fezzan. Under the terms of the 1947 peace treaty with the Allies, Italy relinquished all claims to Libya.[20]

[chelmostef]

Arm both sides watch them fight for a bit then come to rescue as humanitarians while at the same time bombing civilians and smudging UN charters.


The United Nations Charter strictly limits Chapter 7 military actions to threats to international peace and security, which Libya has never represented, but rules out interference in internal affairs of member states. The pretext cited in this case was the protection of defenseless civilians, but it is clear that the rebels constitute an armed military force in their own right. Since no state can be an aggressor on its own territory, the Security Council resolution stands in flagrant violation of the UN Charter. Russia, China, Brazil, Germany, and India abstained. The resolution contains an arms embargo against Libya which the US is already violating by arming the rebels through EgyptIts simply a case of an age old tried and tested trick that allows the pludder of your terrotory by arming both sides then come to resuce. That is not what the UN charter is for..

source-http://tarpley.net/2011/03/19/obamas-bay-of-pigs-in-libya/


Who armed Gaddafi?


The EU granted export licenses for €834.5m worth of arms exports in the first five years after the arms embargo was lifted in October 2004 (Edit to add - Linked Tony The Peace Envoy Blairs tent trip securing 13 billion oil deal see article below)
2009 is the highest amount ever: €343.7m
Italy is the top exporter, with €276.7m over the five years
The UK got off to a big start in 2005, with €58.9m of the €72.2m total. UK licenses over the five years are worth €119.35m
Malta saw some €79.7m of guns go through the Island en route to Libya in 2009 – apparently sold via an Italian company.”
The top European suppliers since 2005 were:

Italy (€276.7)
France (€210.15)
UK (€119.35)
Germany (€83.48)

source-http://matthewismail.wordpress.com/2011/03/19/qaddafis-weapons-where-did-he-get-them/


In the article below its alluded to being so good Gaddafi giving up his weapons. What it does not say is he traded them in for new ones in return for oil thanks to Tony The Peace Envoy Blair.

Officials travelling with Mr Blair said the oil firm had signed a £450 million agreement, with the prospect of 17 wells being drilled. They added that if all this exploration reached its full potential the deal could be worth £13 billion.
Mr Blair sees Libya as one of the key foreign policy successes of his premiership.
Yeah I bet it does, you sell us oil and we sell you weapons and bombs..
source-http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1553044/Blair-Gaddafi-and-the-BP-oil-deal.html


And who armed the rebels?


The rebel region of Cerenaica has long been the scene of Moslem brotherhood agitation against Qaddafi, much of it fomented from across the Egyptian border with US assistance. After the failed 1995 assassination attempt against the Libyan leader reported by MI-5 defector David Shayler (for which MI-6 paid £100,000 to an al Qaeda subsidiary), eastern Libya was the scene of a protracted Islamist insurrection. In the wake of events in Tunisia and Egypt, it has become clear that the CIA has stipulated a worldwide alliance against existing Arab governments with the reactionary and oligarchical Muslim brotherhood, which was created by British intelligence in Egypt in the late 1920s. Al Qaeda of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), another CIA front, is trumpeting full support for the rebels on its website.

source- http://tarpley.net/2011/03/19/obamas-bay-of-pigs-in-libya/

So in fact they have armed Qaddafi then armed the rebels, then bombed them with weapons all from they same countries... It's complete kleptocratic corruption. White washed over with UN resolutions. Not quite Vive le resistance! Or Vive la France! IMO

The video below is more apt


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLrLgOVHT8E