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Leon

19th March 2011, 21:07

How could Borman escape

Run an empire

Then his body find it's way back to Berlin to be found?

or was it found? dna can be planted!
it would have been difficult to bring his body back or was it?

Carmody

19th March 2011, 21:17

Hitler had something like 6 doubles or doppelgangers. Borman reputedly had three.....Besides being directly (?) connected to the dentist who provided the dental records for the body at the train station.

king anthony

19th March 2011, 21:18

It may be helpful to share some background, materials and links to the topic; there are those who may not know the topic.

Ahkenaten

19th March 2011, 21:19

There is proof that Bormann (and the Nazi command structure) survived the war and lived in Bariloche, Argentina.

For details on this one should look into the works of Joseph P. Farrell -

Limor Wolf

19th March 2011, 21:32

I will have to go with king anthony's request and ask for more links and volume to help with background on the opening post.

Lost Soul

20th March 2011, 02:27

He probably flew to Spain and from Spain took a black boat (non-surrendered U-boat) to Argentina. I heard that Hitler and other Nazis did too. The purported skull of Adolph Hitler that was kept by the Russians was tested for DNA. It wasn't Hitler's.

Leon

20th March 2011, 14:37

I ask, because there is so much information or mis-information:

After listening to one of Joseph P. Farrell recordings...

There are many versions as to how Bormann escaped from Berlin, some claim that he died others that he escaped. Bormann's final fate remained an enigma until 1996 when a passport was found in Chile with Bormann's photo but under the name of Ricardo Bauer.
It seems Hitler had ordered a special plane to leave from Berlin with all medical and dental records, especially X-rays, of all top Nazis for an unknown destination...

If Borman died how can a check be cashed with his signature and name in the 70's in the US?

And so it goes on...

Bill Ryan

21st March 2011, 01:50

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Hi, All:

An interesting (untold!) personal anecdote:

My father was often asked by the British Home Office (the equivalent of the US State Department) to help on facial identification challenges.

One day in 1975 (I think), I came home and he had a spread of large black and white photos all over the table.

I asked him what he was doing. He said he'd been sent a file of photographs of an old man in Brazil, who'd been picked up by the police. They thought he was Martin Bormann, but could not prove it. They'd asked my father to identify him against pictures from WW II.

My father explained that yes, it was definitely Bormann - and explained to me why (the ears never change - they are like a fingerprint). He sent his report off to the British government. But the Brazilians had to let the man go - this was just an 'expert's opinion', and they had no other proof - just circumstantial evidence.

********

Also of interest, when writing this post I was looking online for a picture of my father to post. To my total astonishment, I found this video of him in the Pathe News archives, dated 1939. Jacques Penry was his pen name.

I'd never seen it before, and never knew it existed. He had his own TV show at the time, and this may have been part of it. It's corny, and heavily scripted, but shows some of the brilliant work he did. He was decades ahead of his time, and was a genius who could have done far, far more if he'd not left school when he was 12. He died, penniless and lonely, in 1987.

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=37235

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_senior.jpg

Ahkenaten

21st March 2011, 01:57

What a wonderfully touching story about your father! I think I remember hearing some of that from the interview you and Kerry did with Joseph P. Farrell! And what a great photograph.

I went on Google Earth to take a look at Bariloche, Argentina myself and found something that I thought was quite interesting and odd............right in downtown Bariloche, on the shore of the lake, is a cluster of as I recall three pyramid-shaped buildings. Now maybe there is no connection between that and anything, but given the Nazi connection, the fact that they were running their Bell Project there, AND their interest in ancient civilizations and technologies, I thought it was extremely odd, to say the least.

OK here are the Google Earth coordinates: 41"07'56.38" S x 71"18'19.35" W Bariloche, Argentina

ThePythonicCow

21st March 2011, 01:59

To my total astonishment, I found this video of him in the Pathe News archives, dated 1939. Jacques Penry was his pen name.So the twinkle in that man's eye is the one we know as "Bill", eh? Good.

manny

21st March 2011, 02:06

there is much wisdom and sadness in the eyes of this man.
yet a sense of determination.

love

kenkyushiryo

21st March 2011, 04:03

~

great anecdote! remarkable resemblence to yourself, of course.

i can understand aditionally how you arent all together too concerned
about keeping your name private having a father of such recognition.

Chicodoodoo

21st March 2011, 04:20

Bill Ryan

21st March 2011, 04:52

Chicodoodoo

21st March 2011, 05:02

3optic

21st March 2011, 06:01

It's very interesting stuff, which he nailed down to the underlying endocrinology. I should get to it sometime!

Whoa, that's news to me! I'd love to see that thread. In the meantime, I'd better get to googling and investigate yet another subject I know little about. So much to learn, so little time....

Brilliant clip. I'm very interested in face reading. I've learned some basics more to do with what a face conceals/ projects. Chicodoodoo, the face can also change as the personality changes.

Chicodoodoo

21st March 2011, 06:18

3optic

21st March 2011, 07:18

Chicodoodoo, the face can also change as the personality changes.

My first thought was "I want some of that!" My second thought was "Oh, yeah? Charlie Sheen still looks the same, and he claims he's losing his mind."

Lol, Chicadoodoo. You have a very striking mug.. Ahem! Awkward straight guy moment.

Don't be so sure about Mr. Sheen..
http://static.poponthepop.com/images/gallery/charlie-sheen-is-crazy-picture.jpg
(Btw I am a fan :P)

On some level we're stuck with what we got but there is certainly flexibility in the structure of the face. I've noticed how mental illness changes the body just as yoga, contemplative practices and..eh happiness can change it in more positive ways.

Leon

21st March 2011, 18:48

Thank you Bill, I think you have mentioned this before...

Putting pieces together....

Borman, had the means to escape...

he has been sighted in South America, his was photographed several times!

He cashes a check in the US...

so how does his DNA find its way back to Germany? and is miraculously found... and identidied?

Leon

21st March 2011, 19:20

Also this!

REUTER

April 18, 1997

The founder of his Peronist Party, Juan Peron, is believed by the Wiesenthal Center to have given thousands of blank passports to Nazi war criminals to flee post-war Europe.
Argentina was the refuge for some top Third Reich officials including Hitler's confidante Martin Bormann

Also: Recently declassified U.S. wartime documents from 1945 estimate that the Nazis secretly sent more than $1 billion to be invested in Argentina one month before the war ended.

Ahkenaten

21st March 2011, 20:48

yeah and the money is now due back to the Nazis including interest which may be causing some headaches for some people, according to Farrell (i.e. the apparent truce/detente between the banksters and the Nazis is over)

justalight

24th March 2011, 02:41

Good evening,

as far as I know, there was a system / plan what was realised to bring high ranked nazis out of Germany, going through the alps reagion to Italy.

Somewhere in Italy, I think it was Genua they took ships to go to South America. It was called "the rat line" and quite a system with many people involved. Quite many of them were priests / jesuits. The so called rat line system was implemented under the supervision of the pope and vatican.

Carmody

24th March 2011, 02:48

It's very interesting stuff, which he nailed down to the underlying endocrinology. I should get to it sometime!

Whoa, that's news to me! I'd love to see that thread. In the meantime, I'd better get to googling and investigate yet another subject I know little about. So much to learn, so little time....

There are 36 'Decans' in astrology.....and ...36 different facial types in human beings.

Always interesting to note these sort of supportive points.

Lord Sidious

24th March 2011, 02:55

Leon

25th March 2011, 17:38

Conclusion!

It would appear that despite what people would like to believe, M. Borman and other did escape...
And lived for some time abroad.

Someone must have somehow or with help brought back enough evidence to make it apear as though he was killed in Berlin...

I have my doubts, that he was, my believe is he escaped.

Ahkenaten

25th March 2011, 17:45

Fred Steeves

25th March 2011, 18:21

Ahkenaten

25th March 2011, 18:28

Fred S. I agree.............and I do believe that all the secrecy surrounding the subject of UFO's is based on that too............i.e. that a secret cabal that infected the US under the aegis of Project Paperclip post WWII (and perhaps even before) has been mostly responsible for UFO sightings -- UFOs that are in reality being tested and flown by the Nazis, and the big secret is that the public is not, above all, to know that the Nazis are alive and well, never surrendered at the end of WWII, and they have been using US science, technology and 3-letter agencies as PART of its technological and tactical ops base in the US. Of course as an extranational force, they operate elsewhere as well. The war that is going on now barely behind the scenes is between factions that have been ideological enemies for thousands of years.......................some call them the Magicians, the Nazis, the Masons, as Hoagland put it, etc.

Now imagine the shock that would ripple through the population if they understood that! Talk about cognitive dissonance! I know it sounds like sci-fi on some level but frankly, it is one of the only plausible explanations that lends literary and historical coherence to the otherwise totally fractured fairy tale we are now living in!!

Fred Steeves

25th March 2011, 19:04

Ahkenaten, can't argue with a thing you said. But just going to the basics here, you know what people's reactions generally are when I tell them that the first head of NASA was the Nazi who invented the V-1 and V-2 that pummeled London? Not much. Explain Paperclip briefly, it's usually something like, " well that was then". I'm glad I've learned not to worry about it so much any more, you can't force someone to see there might just be a problem there, but it can still be frustrating at times.

Cheers,
Fred S.

Lost Soul

25th March 2011, 22:25

Operation Paperclip was the US project that brought certain Nazis over to America. They were protected from war crimes. Supposedly, they were the scientists like Werner von Braun but we now suspect that other Nazis were permitted to enter the United States including some of the Nazis who experimented on unwilling people in concentration camps. Anyone finding this hard to believe should look up Japanese Unit 731, a biological warfare unit that committed numerous war crimes on unwilling prisoners. That entire unit was given immunity in exchange for the "scientific" knowledge they gained. German East Front spymaster Gehlen got his whole organization accepted by the West in exchanged for their cooperation in sharing knowledge on the Soviets.

Ahkenaten

25th March 2011, 22:35

Well this is 2011 and the end of WW II was in 1945, sixty six years ago!! That is a few generations at this point and with the deliberate dumbing down of the population, many of whom don't even know who the current Vice President is, let alone what happened back then...........it is fighting a losing battle being all fired up about this stuff. Even so, these are the salient facts underpinning current events. The Nazis did not sit at the table and sign any surrender to the Allies at the end of the war in Europe. Many of them escaped to South America. It is a little disquieting to think what they may have been doing over these past 66 years! I agree no point getting bent out of shape over it, but it IS important for us to be aware.

Leon

26th March 2011, 07:03

The CIA even have reports that Hitler was in South America...

A long time ago I read a report that Wiesental tracked Hitler around South America, but this report seems to have been hidden now!

Himmler was not in the same line as the others, I doubt he survived.
Megele did survive, he lived in Brasil...
he used to give sweets to a friend of mine before he died. it seems he was quite a nice person there.

Lord Sidious

27th March 2011, 09:55

I do think that Himmler died - I suspect that Bormann, and possibly even Hitler, survived the war and lived in Argentina. I also believe the Nazi command structure survived - and I think there is evidence that it may in fact still exist as an extra-national entity to be reckoned with.

You wanna know where Hitler went then do you?

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC122.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina171.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC191.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC192.JPG

That is one hotel that he spent time in, here is another.

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina110.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina112.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/09Arg341.JPG
They even sent Ike himself to have a look around after the war.

More next post.

Lord Sidious

27th March 2011, 09:59

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC106.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC105.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC107.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC235.JPG

This is an outpost that you have to pass to get to the estate by boat.

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC146.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC147.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC149.JPG
That is the house he lived in, but not where he died.

More next post.

Lord Sidious

27th March 2011, 10:03

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC149.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC151.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina128.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC153.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina133.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina130.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC155.JPG

More next post.

Lord Sidious

27th March 2011, 10:06

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina139.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina140.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina142.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina131.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina132.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina134.jpg

Very Bavarian looking, no?

More next post.

Lord Sidious

27th March 2011, 10:12

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina137.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina136.jpg
That is the back of the main house, as you can see.

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina151.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina152.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina153.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina155.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina156.jpg
This is a guest house right next to the main house.

More next post.

Lord Sidious

27th March 2011, 10:16

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC22.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC21.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina25.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina26.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC16.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC18.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina27.jpg
This is a research laboratory and possible nuclear reactor site on an island in the lake, not far from the house.

More next post.

Lord Sidious

27th March 2011, 10:19

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina28.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC19.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC20.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina31.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC23.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC24.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC27.JPG
More of the buildings on the island.

More next post.

Lord Sidious

27th March 2011, 10:21

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina28.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC19.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC28.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC29.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC30.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina44.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina45.jpg
More of the buildings on the island.

More next post.

Lord Sidious

27th March 2011, 10:24

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina28.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC19.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC33.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC34.JPG
No idea what these are, they were found on the ground.
According to common belief, probably something to be used to take over the galax....oops, world.

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina47.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina48.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC36.JPG
This, which looks like a parking lot, is the top of a small cliff. There are no cars or vehicles on the island

More next post.

Lord Sidious

27th March 2011, 10:31

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC37.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina50.jpg
These, and the last one in the post above appear to be ''air vents'' in the ''parking lot''

Now, time to get excited. Remember I mentioned nuclear reactors?

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina57.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC41.JPG

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08Argentina60.jpg

http://www.sharkhunters.com/08ArgNC43.JPG

The barrels in the pic there are not barrels.
They are Control Rod Refuelling Ports!
This is the only building on the island that is destroyed.
The question is, by whom?
Rumours are that cold fusion was a test subject here.

Lord Sidious

27th March 2011, 10:44

I also believe the Nazi command structure survived - and I think there is evidence that it may in fact still exist as an extra-national entity to be reckoned with.

I strongly suspect that structure is alive here in the U.S., looks a lot like mid 30's Germany, only much more refined.

Cheers,
Fred S.

I would suspect that the Third Reich you thought you had defeated is not only with you in America, but elsewhere as well.
Argentina, Chile maybe even Neuschwabenland.

Fred S. I agree.............and I do believe that all the secrecy surrounding the subject of UFO's is based on that too............i.e. that a secret cabal that infected the US under the aegis of Project Paperclip post WWII (and perhaps even before) has been mostly responsible for UFO sightings -- UFOs that are in reality being tested and flown by the Nazis, and the big secret is that the public is not, above all, to know that the Nazis are alive and well, never surrendered at the end of WWII, and they have been using US science, technology and 3-letter agencies as PART of its technological and tactical ops base in the US. Of course as an extranational force, they operate elsewhere as well. The war that is going on now barely behind the scenes is between factions that have been ideological enemies for thousands of years.......................some call them the Magicians, the Nazis, the Masons, as Hoagland put it, etc.

Now imagine the shock that would ripple through the population if they understood that! Talk about cognitive dissonance! I know it sounds like sci-fi on some level but frankly, it is one of the only plausible explanations that lends literary and historical coherence to the otherwise totally fractured fairy tale we are now living in!!

The allies defeated the armed forces and that is all that surrendered, Donitz didn't have the authority to surrender the Reich.
You are getting very close to what I think is the truth of the matter.
I would agree in totality with this post.
The funny thing is, not all your black ops are yours.
It seems that for many years, you have funded black ops that belong to someone else. And research as well.
As reported by Farrell, a lot of the scientists on the paperclip deal were observed performing letterdrops.
To whom?
They also had more money than they should have.

Well this is 2011 and the end of WW II was in 1945, sixty six years ago!! That is a few generations at this point and with the deliberate dumbing down of the population, many of whom don't even know who the current Vice President is, let alone what happened back then...........it is fighting a losing battle being all fired up about this stuff. Even so, these are the salient facts underpinning current events. The Nazis did not sit at the table and sign any surrender to the Allies at the end of the war in Europe. Many of them escaped to South America. It is a little disquieting to think what they may have been doing over these past 66 years! I agree no point getting bent out of shape over it, but it IS important for us to be aware.

Are you sure the war ended for Germany in 1945?
Or did the Reich retire elsewhere to continue it by other means?
I think you will find out very soon.

Leon

1st April 2011, 20:45

Thank you for these insights...

I agree that the nazi's were not defeated in 1945, the 1000 year Reich is alive still today. be it behind the scene's.
Adolf did not die in 1945, where is the real proof?
All evidence provided comes down to hearsay, the proof from the Russian's turned out to be false unless Adolf was really a woman!
Stalin and his regime could not find him, or any evidence.
It seemed convinient to say he died to cover up the truth as is done so often...
Why would you want to get rid of the pupet who was doing what you wanted, make marters...

The reason for this discusion is that I think a lot are tired of the same old nonsence, and would like the truth for a change, if we can handle it or not........

Leon

1st April 2011, 21:07

Also take a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN8VV6t3rRg

wynderer

1st April 2011, 21:15

Lord Sidious

1st April 2011, 22:35

Joseph Farrel, Richard Hoagland, & others believe that the NWO is essentially a Nazi [ not the same as German] org ---- many of them escaped when Germany fell, w/help from the Vatican, my country [USA], & other countries -- my own belief is that they are now allied w/various ETs

The so called nwo has existed for at least 3000 years and is the subject of many of the religions on the planet.
That being the case, it pre existed the NSDAP by quite a bit.
Who do you think the NSDAP were fighting against? And who do we know has the power to bring the entire world down on you?
I would tell you that your last statement is closer to the truth than any of the other stuff.

Leon

2nd April 2011, 14:14

The project in the above pictures on the Island in Argentina was officialy called the Huemul Project under Peron... with a German (surprise surprise) scientist...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huemul_Project

loveandgratitude

3rd April 2011, 05:26

The Revelations of Otto Skorzeny, Part 1
Martin Bormann: Reichsleiter in Exile & American Retiree

Published by educate-yourself.org- http://educate-yourself.org/cn/martinbormannphotostocompare02jul07.shtml

In 1998, 29 year old Eric Bermen of Florida began dating a local girl whose 6'- 4" ninety year old father possessed "the largest hands I'd ever shaken," he said. Over time, "Big Ed," as he was known locally, revealed to the younger man that his real name was Otto Skorzeny, legendary SS (Schutzstaffel) commando of World War II fame, personal bodyguard to Adolf Hitler, and subsequent life-long CIA operative.But that was just the beginning.

In the months prior to Skorzeny's death in December of 1999, Skorzeny revealed to Berman some of the most mind boggling information ever made available concerning the whereabouts and activities of major personalities of the Third Reich who were either declared dead by historians or otherwise reported to have been living in undisclosed locations abroad .

Skorzeny's lifelong circle of intimate associates-many living in the United States- included Martin Bormann, Josef Mengele, Alois Brunner, Walter Rauff, and Reinhard Gehlen. An even more surprising revelation from Skorzeny, however, involved two domestic Nazis operatives, both well known to the American public: Prescott Sheldon Bush and his "son", George Herbert Walker Bush, the 41st President of the United States.

To buttress his story, Skorzeny produced a shoebox filled with over one hundred photographs spanning a period of more than sixty years and gave them to Berman. The photos were of the usual family poses taken at weddings, anniversaires, holidays, or family reunions in the decades between the 1930's and the 1990's, but what made these photos highly extraordinary was the identity of the individuals seen within those photographs. The shoebox photos show Otto Skorzeny posing with the above named Third Reich personalites, along with additional photographs showing Skorzeny posing with Prescott Bush, his wife, Dorothy Walker Bush, and their son, George Herbert Walker Bush. To say that Berman was in the "right place, at the right time" and was handed what may turn out to be the biggest story to ever come down the pike, is the understatement of the century.

Following Skorzeny's death on December 31, 1999, Bermen gathered additional information about Skorzeny's Nazi cohorts and put the entire story -together with 60 or 70 of Skorzeny's shoe box photos- into a copyrighted unpublished manuscript called The Bush Connection.

Skorzeny told Bermen that his motive for revealing his information was to exact revenge against George Bush, along with his former Nazi cohorts, for cheating him out of large sums of money during his lifetime. Skorzeny apparently knew he was going to die and felt that Eric Bermen- who is Jewish-would get out the story (it's hard to know for certain if this is the true and only motivation for Skorzeny's revelations. While it sounds logical and typical of human behavior, you would think that Skorzeny would be concerned about his wife and kids after he was gone. It's possible that the revenge angle may be the cover story for a much deeper plot. Considering the vast power that Martin Bormann and the Bormann Organization held with many of the biggest corporations around the globe (over 750), it could be that Bormann and the other aging Nazis may want the story out, as a testament to their Triumph of the Will, so to speak. The late Paul Manning suggested such a recognition/legacy scenario in his 1981 book, Martin Bormann, Nazi in Exile, but this is merely speculation on my part. Revenge alone may have been Skorzeny's primary motivation).

Skorzeny published books about his World War II exploits in varied editions starting in 1950

Some of the more explosive highlights of Skorzeny's revelations include:

1. the true identity and Nazi-planned subversive mission of George Herbert Walker Bush, 41st President of the United States; alleged to have been brought into America (with Skorzeny as his body guard) and covertly adopted by Trading-with-The-Enemy convicted Prescott Bush. Skorzeny claimed that GHW Bush's real birth name was George H. Scherff, Jr., son of George Scherff, Sr., German born assistant to inventor Nikola Tesla. Young George allegedly spent his first years in America snooping around Tesla's lab, helping his father (George Scherff Sr.) in the 1930's steal or glean whatever they could of Tesla's work and report back to Germany. Tesla had casually remarked to an artisan couple named Rey who had recently emigrated to the United States, of the mischievous and devious prying nature of a "little monkey" around his lab whom he had dubbed "curious George." This character would later become the basis of the children's book series, "Curious George"

2. Skorzeny's role (with Reinhard Gehlen) in the assassination of Nikola Tesla (suffocation) on January 6, 1943 after tricking Tesla on January 5 into revealing the full details of his most important discoveries and then stealing his most valuable inventions, along with the contents of his safe, which were delivered to Hitler,

3. the faked April 1945 "suicide" of Hitler in the Berlin bunker (corroborating the 1948 CIA interrogation of Gestapo Chief Heinrich Mueller, the Nordon Report, and the Russian 1946 Investigative Committee report to Stalin)

4. Skorzeny's pivotal role in consolidating the intelligence assets of the Nazi Gestapo and the Nazi-infiltrated OSS (Office of Strategic Services) into the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in 1947, working with George Herbert Walker Bush (Nazi infiltrator George H. Scherff, Jr.), Nazi SS spy master Reinhard Gehlen, "Wild Bill" Donovan (compromised), and fifth columnist, Allen Foster Dulles. Skorzeny claimed central responsibility for setting up the Odessa operation to surreptitiously relocate 50,000 (FIFTY THOUSAND) Nazis into North and South America with CIA complicity and protection,

5. Skorzeny's claim that Reinhard Gehlen, Josef Mengele, and George HW Bush directly participated in JFK's assassination

and other Nazi-inspired plots which I won't list here, but are explored more completely in Eric Bermen's The Bush Connection CD (below).

Don Nicoloff published an extremely thorough and well researched treatise in two parts in April 2007 in the Idaho Observer titled "Deathbed Confessions, photos support claims that George H. Scherf(f), Jr., was the 41st U.S. president" ) Don takes the Bermen/Skorzeny information to a much higher level of investigative research. In a recent phone conversation, Don told me that he was working on the Bush/Walker genealogy deception for nearly a year before discovering Eric Berman's astounding information. With Skorzeny's revelations, he was able to nail down many loose ends and has put together the most damming evidence to date that Prescott Sheldon Bush and George Herbert Walker Bush (and other members of the Bush/Walker clans) are not who they claim to be and are in fact German born infiltrators and fifth columnists secreted into America. The Skorzeny photo seen at the top of Don Nicoloff's article may prove to be the most important photo of the entire Skorzeny collection; perhaps the Photo of the Century. It's shows a "family" group pose likely taken in a Bavarian or Alpine lodge location owned by the Scherff family in the 1930's that purports to include Martin Bormann, Reinhard Gehlen, Josef Mengele, Otto Skorzeny, George H. Scherff, Jr (GHW Bush), Prescott Bush, "Mother" Scherff , and likely Dorothy Walker Bush (I will present another article, Part 2, dealing with the personalities seen within this photograph).

If you search the name "Otto Skorzeny" on the internet, historical archives will indicate that he died in Madrid, Spain in 1975, but .Skorzeny told Berman that the date of his supposed death in 1975 was faked by the CIA, as were the supposed "deaths" of many of the Third Reich's most notable names. The Third Reich intelligence apparatus, under General Reinhard Mueller, towards the end of the war, faked many "deaths" as well, in anticipation of losing World War II. Martin Bormann went so far as to have a look-alike prisoner in one of the Nazi concentration camps fitted with the exact dental work that Bormann had so that they could use this person's body to fake the "forensic dental evidence" of Bormann's death-which is exactly what was perpetrated in the news in 1972 and again in 1998.

Martin Bormann
No central figure of the Third Reich has generated more speculation and controversy than Reichleiter Martin Bormann. He proved to be the most cunning, capable, and intelligent master chess player of the Third Reich. Towards the latter half of the war, no one could get to see Hitler without Bormann's approval. Hitler invested his total trust in Bormann alone and assigned to Bormann full control of the Third Reich in his Last Will signed in the final days at the Berlin bunker. Bormann came to realize that Germany could not win the war and made extensive preparations to export Third Reich brain power, personnel, stolen assets and technological secrets out of Germany before the allies could seize them.

Comparing Third Reich Photos of Bormann to Skorzeny's Photos
The first three rows of photos below are official Third Reich photos taken off the internet of Martin Bormann in the 1930's and 1940's in which I've cropped Bormann's head to fill most of the frame. Following these nine photographs, there are five rows of head-cropped photographs from Otto Skorzeny's shoe box collection available from Eric Bermen's CD that Skorzeny claimed are photos of the same Martin Bormann. In each of Skorzeny's photos, I cropped out and magnified the head area alone of the man that Skorzeny claims is Martin Bormann. Skorzeny told Bermen that Bormann used the alias of "Ed Kobylarz".

The first thing you should note is that a smiling Martin Bormann presents a much different appearance than a closed mouth, unsmiling, serious, Aryan tough guy pose that the Nazis wanted to project in their official photographs. The last photo (3rd row) of the official, Third Reich Bormann photos shows Bormann smiling while standing next to Hitler and looking down at the papers in Hitler's hands. Notice how the appearance of his teeth -especially the gaps between his teeth (the central gap being the widest)- seem to match perfectly the gaps seen in the teeth of Bormann as a boy of 10 or 11 years of age in the first row of Skorzeny's cropped photos.

In the two Skorzeny cropped black and white photos of Bormann with glasses, you will notice that this man looks YOUNGER than the Third Reich Bormann of the 1930's and 1940's, however, Skorzeny told Bermen that Mengele and Bormann had multiple facelifts and plastic surgeries and this may account for the more youthful appearance. The gaps in Bormann's teeth seem to remain unchanged. You can decide for yourself whether Skorzeny's photos are of the Reichleiter or not, but you should bear in mind that most of Skorzeny's photos which included Bormann, also included Skorzeny, Reinhard Gehlen, Alois Brunner, Josef Mengele and Walter Rauff. Skorzeny, Brunner, and Gehlen are easy to recognize from their Nazi era photographs and apparently have not had any plastic surgery done to alter their appearance. Mengele, Rauff and Bormann are harder to identify with certainty from their Nazi era photos. All dates indicated for the Skorzeny photos are taken from Eric Bermen's CD, The Bush Connection. I cannot guarantee that they are accurate.The 21st century dates shown for Bormann photos after Skorzeny's death in December of 1999 don't make sense to me, but I'm reporting what's stated on the Bermen CD.

Official Third Reich photos of Martin Bormann

Bormann's paradoxically youthful appearance following World War II:
Judging from the black and white photos seen above, Bormann seems to look much younger than his Nazi era photographs. Compare his wedding day picture holding his new bride (the original photo has automobiles in the background that look to be of mid 1950 to late 1950 vintage) and the 1930s Christmas party. photo seen in the row immediately above. There is approximately a 20 year difference between the late 1930s Christmas party photo and the wedding day photo of the late 1950s, yet Bormann looks to be about the same age.

Eric Bermen has tried to account for this paradox by speculating that Bormann was born closer to 1920 rather than 1900, but that's not possible based on reasons given below. Bermen also mentions plastic surgery courtesy of the CIA and that's always possible. However, Al Bielek may have provided the key to this mystery by mentioning in his lectures that the top players in the Third Reich had access to alien-based age regression technology as early as the mid 1930s (as well as flying saucers). This shouldn't be too hard to believe since Frenchman Antoine Prioré (with French government underwriting) had developed an age regression machine (based on reverse phase conjugation) in the late 60s and early 70s that could reverse disease conditions in animals (and later humans) by reverse aging the cells of the body back to an earlier point in time, when the cells were free of the disease. If you were to subject an entire human body to this technology, the entire body would naturally move back in time to an earlier point of youth. I'm only speculating of course, but I believe this is what happened to both Bormann and Mengele at least, as they both look much, much younger than their chronological age. Mind you, Bormann and Mengele are likely still alive today, in the year 2008. They would both be around 108 years old....Ken]

Wedding Day with new wife (ca. late 1950s) 1974 posing with wife (see full size original photo here)

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/martinbormannphotostocompare02jul07.shtml

(Easier if you go to this web link to view the photos)

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/martinbormannphotostocompare02jul07.shtml

Eric Bermen's Role

We wouldn't be seeing these amazing photographs, nor be privy to Skorzeny's incredible revelation, had Skorzeny not revealed this information to Eric Bermen. Skorzeny's revelations and photos present a sea change in our historical perceptions of what actually happened to these top echelon players of the Third Reich.

Eric spent his time between December 31, 1999, the given date of Skorzeny's death, and 2005, the year he produced the photos, to gather further details about Skorzeny's Third Reich pals. In some cases, Eric has ventured speculations concerning the birth dates of Bormann or Mengele, where he jumps to illogical conclusions. For instance, Eric speculates that Bormann was born closer to 1920, rather than 1900 (official birth date June 17, 1900, Wegeleben, Prussia, Germany). That's impossible, as Bormann was imprisoned in 1924 (for one year) along with Rudolf Hess for the brutal murder of Bormann's elementary school teacher, Walther Kadow.

(In checking Bermen's text concerning Bormann from page 36 of his pdf, against material posted to the internet, I noticed that Eric often cuts and paste the text from other internet articles into his own, so you don't know what Bermen originated and what he copied. As a writer whose words have often been plagiarized by internet copy cats, I have little patience with people who do that. So in fairness to the original author, I've posted the original source material below Bermen's page 36 account on Bormann )

Al Bielek indicated in his lectures that the top Nazis had access to alien rejuvenation technology since the mid 1930s. It's not an accident of Nature that all of Skorzeny's Third Reich cohorts, including Adolf Hitler (alias "William Coates"), were alive and kicking in the late 20th century when many of these photos were taken. When you see Part 3 of the Skorzeny revelation centering on Josef Mengele, you will be amazed to see that Mengele looks like a man in his late 50s or early 60s from photos that were taken as late as 2003.

Excerpt about Martin Bormann from page 36 of the The Bush Connection:

"Hitler’s plan was to have young SS nazis run the Third Reich, in hopes that they would live long enough to start the Fourth Reich or New World Order in America in the year 2004.(28)

Bormann was one of Hitler’s “Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse”, George Bush, Mengele, and Gehlen were the other three. Skorzeny was the unofficial Fifth“Horseman.”(29) The son of a former Prussian regimental Sergeant-Major who later became a post-office employee, Bormann dropped out of school to work on a farming estate in Mecklenburg. Bormann joined the rightist Rossbach Freikorps in Mecklenburg and was connected with the so-called ‘Femme’ murders. He was diligent, adaptable and efficient, began his silent, imperceptible rise to the center of the power apparatus, slowly acquiring master of the bureaucratic mechanism and Hitler’s personal trust. He developed and administered the Adolf Hitler Endowment Fund of German industry, a huge fund of‘voluntary’ contributions by successful business entrepreneurs to the Fuhrer, which Bormann then reallocated as gifts to almost all the top Party functionaries.

By the end of 1944, Bormann was virtually Hitler’s deputy and his closest collaborator, showing an uncanny ability to exploit his weaknesses and personal peculiarities in order to increase his own power. Always in attendance to the Fuhrer, he took care of tiresome administrative detail and skillfully steered Hitler into approval of his own schemes, Bormann acquired the inside track for displacing dangerous rivals like Goering, Goebbels, Speer and even Himmler whose access to the Fuhrer was controlled by Bormann.

Bormann exploited his position of trust to build a Chinese wall against reality, in which Hitler could indulge his fantasies and in which more sensible, conciliatory proposals from other members of the Party, were screened from him. Bormann reduced everything to simple, administrative formulae that freed Hitler from the burdens of paper work. He drew up his appointments calendar and decided whom he should see and whom he should not. Hitler rewarded these and other services by the trust he placed in Bormann, whom he once called ‘my most loyal Party comrade’. He was made executive head of the Volkssturm, the desperate levy en masse of the German civilian population organized as the Allies stood poised to invade the Reich.

By now virtually the secret ruler of Germany, Bormann did not cease his Machiavellian bureaucratic intrigues against his rivals. As a result of his machinations Hitler dismissed Goering; and Himmler’s influence was severely curtailed. It was the indispensable Bormann, the most mysterious and sinister figure in the Third Reich, who signed Hitler’s political testament, who acted as the witness to his marriage to Eva Braun and (supposedly) watched his Fuhrer commit suicide in the Chancellery bunker.

Ordered by Hitler ‘to put the interests of the nation before his own feelings’ and to save himself, Bormann left the Fuhrerbunker on 30 April 1945. Accounts of what happened afterwards vary widely. According to Erich Kempka (Hitler’s chauffeur), Bormann was killed trying to cross the Russian lines by an anti-tank shell which hit the tank in which they were trying to escape, causing it to burst into flames. Kempka, who was temporarily blinded at the time, claimed nonetheless to have seen Bormann’s dead body. Hitler Youth Leader, Artur Axmann, on the other hand, believed that Bormann committed suicide and claimed to have seen Bormann’s body on 2 May 1945 in the Invalidenstrasse, north of the River Spree in Berlin.

Doubts, however, have persisted and numerous sightings of Bormann have been reported, beginning in 1946 when his presence in a North Italian monastery was announced. In the same year, his wife Gerda (a rabid Nazi and daughter of Supreme Party Judge, Walter Buch) died of cancer in South Tyrol, though his ten children survived the war. It was then alleged that Bormann had escaped (like other loyal Nazis) via Rome to South America.

Rumored to have settled in Argentina where he was living secretly as a millionaire, allegedly spotted in Brazil and also in Chile, Bormann’s traces proved as elusive as the anonymity in which he first rose to power. Having been sentenced to death in absentia at Nuremberg on October 1, 1946, he was formally pronounced dead by a West German court in April 1973, but his precise fate remains unknown. (30)

The C.I.A's story in nonsense. He is alive & they are still protecting him!

Bormann is still alive and funneling billions of stolen Jewish Holocaust dollars into anti-freedom, anti-Jewish, anti-black, prolife, anti-gun, conservative New World Order Republican campaigns, like Bush Jr. Also, neo-nazi fundamentalist, conservative, right-wing, Christian Coalition, anti-freedom groups like the abortion doctor killer supporters “Operation Rescue”,“The Brotherhood of Aryan Nations “organized crime” hate group,” the KKK and C.I.A. sponsored Al Qaeda Terrorist Cells.(31)"

ORION [Eric Bermen]

Posted at: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/2106/bios/bormann.htmbb

Martin Bormann

Date of Birth: June 17, 1900
Place of Birth: Halberstadt, Germany

Rank: Reichsleiter
Position: Head of the Party Chancellery and private secretary of the Fuhrer

Place of Death: Unknown
Date of Death: 1972

Martin was a son of a former Prussian regimental sergeant-major who later became a post-office employee, Bormann dropped out of school to work on a farming estate in Mecklenburg. After serving briefly as a cannoneer in a field artillery regiment at the end of World War I, Bormann subsequently joined the rightist Rossbach Freikorps in Mecklenburg and was connected with the so-called 'Feme' murders.

In March 1924 he was sentenced to one year's imprisonment as an accomplice of Rudolf Hess in the brutal, vengeance murder of Walther Kadow (his former teacher at elementary school), who had supposedly betrayed the proto-Nazi martyr Leo Schlageter to the French occupation authorities in the Ruhr.

After his release he entered the NSDAP, becoming its regional press officer in Thuringia and then business manager in 1928. From 1928 to 1930 he was attached to the SA Supreme Command and in October 1933 he became a Reichsleiter of the NSDAP. A month later he was elected as a Nazi delegate to the Reichstag. From July 1933 until 1941 Bormann was the Chief of Cabinet in the Office of the Deputy Fuhrer, Rudolf Hess , acting as his personal secretary and right-hand man.

During this period, the 'model secretary', diligent, adaptable and efficient, began his silent, imperceptible rise to the centre of the power apparatus, slowly acquiring master of the bureaucratic mechanism and Hitler's personal trust. He developed and administered the Adolf Hitler Endowment Fund of German industry, a huge fund of 'voluntary' contributions by successful business entrepreneurs to the Fuhrer, which Bormann then reallocated as gifts to almost all the top Party functionaries.

In addition to administering Hitler's personal finances, buying the Berghof at Berchtesgaden and running it as well as the whole complex of properties on the Obersalzberg, Bormann acquired the power to control the living standards of Gauleiters and Reichsleiters, not to speak of members of the Fuhrer's intimate circle. Bormann's brutality, coarseness, lack of culture and his apparent insignificance led the Nazi Old Guard to underestimate his silent persistence and ability to make himself indispensable.

Rudolf Hess's flight to Britain opened the way for the 'Brown Eminence' to step into his shoes on 12 May 1941 as head of the Parteikanzlei and to gather the reins of the Party into his own hands and steadily undermine all his rivals for power. Until the end of the war, the short, squat Bormann, working in the anonymity of his seemingly unimportant office, proved himself a master of intrigue, manipulation and political in-fighting. Always the 'narrow Party man' and a fierce guardian of Nazi orthodoxy (he was an arch-fanatic when it came to racial policy, anti-semitism and the Kirchenkampf [war between the churches]), Bormann strengthened the position of the Party against the Wehrmacht and the SS, and increased his grip on domestic policy.

Increasingly he controlled all questions concerning the security of the regime, acts of legislation, appointments and promotions, especially if they concerned Party personnel. He also established espionage in the army, getting younger officers promoted to spy on the political attitudes of their colleagues. He reopened the fight against the Christian churches, declaring in a confidential memo to Gauleiters in 1942 that their power 'must absolutely and finally be broken'. Nazism, based as it was on a 'scientific' world-view, was completely incompatible with Christianity whose influence was regarded by Bormann as a serious obstacle to totalitarian rule. The sharpest anti-cleric in the Nazi leadership (he collected all the files of cases against the clergy that he could lay his hands on), Bormann was the driving force of the Kirchenkampf, which Hitler for tactical reasons had wished to postpone until after the war.

Bormann was invariably the advocate of extremely harsh, radical measures when it came to the treatment of Jews, of the conquered eastern peoples or prisoners of war. He signed the decree of 9 October 1942 prescribing that 'the permanent elimination of the Jews from the territories of Greater Germany can no longer be carried out by emigration but by the use of ruthless force in the special camps of the East'. A further decree, signed by Bormann on 1 July 1943, gave Adolf Eichmann absolute powers over Jews, who now came under the exclusive jurisdiction of the Gestapo.

Bormann's memos concerning the Slavs make it clear that he regarded them as a 'Sovietized mass' of sub- humans who had no claim to national independence. In a brutal memo of 19 August 1942 he wrote: 'The Slavs are to work for us. In so far as we do not need them, they may die. Slav fertility is not desirable.'

By the end of 1942 Bormann was virtually Hitler's deputy and his closest collaborator, showing an uncanny ability to exploit his weaknesses and personal peculiarities in order to increase his own power. Always in attendance on the Fuhrer, taking care of tiresome administrative detail and skilfully steering Hitler into approval of his own schemes, Bormann acquired the inside track for displacing dangerous rivals like , Goebbels, Speer and even Eva Braun and watched his Fuhrer commit suicide in the Chancellery bunker. Ordered by Hitler 'to put the interests of the nation before his own feelings' and to save himself, Bormann left the Fuhrerbunker on 30 April 1945. Accounts of what happened afterwards vary widely.

According to Erich Kempka (Hitler's chauffeur), Bormann was killed trying to cross the Russian lines by an anti-tank shell which hit the tank in which they were trying to escape, causing it to burst into flames. Kempka, who was temporarily blinded at the time, claimed nonetheless to have seen Bormann's dead body. Hitler Youth Leader, Artur Axmann, on the other hand, believed that Bormann committed suicide and claimed to have seen Bormann's body on 2 May 1945 in the Invalidenstrasse, north of the River Spree in Berlin.

Doubts, however, have persisted and numerous sightings of Bormann have been reported, beginning in 1946 when his presence in a North Italian monastery was announced. In the same year, his wife Gerda (a rabid Nazi and daughter of Supreme Party Judge, Walter Buch) died of cancer in South Tyrol, though his ten children survived the war. It was then alleged that Bormann had escaped (like other loyal Nazis) via Rome to South America. Rumoured to have settled in Argentina where he was living secretly as a millionaire, allegedly spotted in Brazil and also in Chile, Bormann's traces proved as elusive as the anonymity in which he first rose to power.

Having been sentenced to death in absentia at Nuremberg on 1 October 1946, he was formally pronounced dead by a West German court in April 1973 but his precise fate remains unknown.

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Lord Sidious

3rd April 2011, 09:19

I would say there is a lot of truth in that mixed in with a lot of rubbish, but I thank you for posting it anyways.

Icecold

3rd April 2011, 09:32

Thanks loveandgratitude,

I always wondered to where Skorzeny disappeared. Interesting story. He was quite a character.

aside from that account...lol.....

this is the accepted historical account.....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ef/SkorzenyOtto.jpg/225px-SkorzenyOtto.jpg

Skorzeny surrendered on 16 May 1945, feeling that he could be useful to the Americans in the forthcoming Cold War. He emerged from the woods near Salzburg, Austria, and surrendered to a Lieutenant of the US 30th Infantry Regiment.

He was held as a prisoner of war for more than two years before being tried as a war criminal at the Dachau Trials in 1947 for allegedly violating the laws of war in the Battle of the Bulge. He and officers of the Panzer Brigade 150 were charged with improperly using American uniforms to infiltrate American lines. Skorzeny was brought before a US military court in Dachau on 18 August 1947. He and nine fellow officers of the 150th Panzer Brigade would face charges of improper use of military insignia, theft of US uniforms, and theft of Red Cross parcels from prisoners of war. The trial lasted over three weeks. The charge of stealing Red Cross parcels was dropped for lack of evidence. Skorzeny admitted to ordering his men to wear American uniforms. On the final day of the trial, 9 September, Wing Commander F. F. E. Yeo-Thomas, recipient of the George Cross and the Croix de guerre, and a former British Special Operations Executive agent, testified that he had worn German uniforms behind enemy lines. Realising that to convict Skorzeny could expose their own agent to the same charges, the tribunal acquitted the ten defendants, the military tribunal drawing a distinction between using enemy uniforms during combat and for other purposes including deception. They could not prove that Skorzeny had given any orders to actually fight in a US uniform

Skorzeny was detained in an internment camp at Darmstadt awaiting the decision of a denazification court. On July 27, 1948 he escaped from the camp with the help of three former SS officers dressed in US Military Police uniforms who entered the camp and claimed that they had been ordered to take Skorzeny to Nuremberg for a legal hearing. Skorzeny afterwards maintained that the US authorities had aided his escape, and had supplied the uniforms.
Skorzeny hid out at a farm in Bavaria which had been rented by Countess Ilse Lüthje, the niece of Hjalmar Schacht (Hitler's former finance minister), for around 18 months, during which time he was in contact with Reinhard Gehlen, and together with Hartmann Lauterbacher (former deputy head of the Hitler Youth) recruited for the Gehlen Organization.

Skorzeny was photographed at a café on the Champs Elysées in Paris on 13 February 1950, and the photo appeared in the French press the next day, causing him to retreat to Salzburg, where he met up with German veterans and also filed for divorce so that he could marry Ilse Lüthje. Shortly afterwards, with the help of a Nansen passport issued by the Spanish government, he moved to Madrid, where he set up a small engineering business which helped serve as a front for his operations with the ODESSA network as he had become the Spanish coordinator.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-567-1503C-15%2C_Gran_Sasso%2C_Mussolini_vor_Hotel.jpg

Skorzeny had also been spending time in Egypt. In 1952 the country had been taken over by General Mohammed Naguib. Skorzeny was sent to Egypt the following year by former General Reinhard Gehlen, who was now working for the CIA, to act as Naguib's military advisor. Skorzeny recruited a staff made up of former SS officers to train the Egyptian army. Among these officers were SS General Wilhelm Farmbacher, Panzer General Oskar Munzel, Leopold Gleim, head of the Gestapo Department for Jewish Affairs in Poland, and Joachim Daemling, former chief of the Gestapo in Düsseldorf joined Skorzeny in Egypt. In addition to training the army, Skorzeny also trained Arab volunteers in commando tactics for possible use against British troops stationed in the Suez Canal zone.

Several Palestinian refugees also received commando training, and Skorzeny planned their initial strikes into Israel via the Gaza Strip in 1953-1954. One of these Palestinians was Yasser Arafat. He would eventually serve as an adviser to Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser.

Using the cover names of Robert Steinbacher and Otto Steinbauer, and supported by either Nazi funds (or according to some sources Austrian Intelligence), he set up a secret organization named Die Spinne which helped as many as 600 former SS men escape from Germany to Spain, Argentina, Paraguay, Chile, Bolivia, and other countries. As the years went by, Skorzeny, Gehlen, and their network of collaborators gained enormous influence in Europe and Latin America. Skorzeny traveled between Franquist Spain and Argentina, where he acted as an advisor to President Juan Perón and bodyguard of Eva Perón, while fostering an ambition for the "Fourth Reich" centered in Latin America.

Skorzeny also acted as an advisor to the leadership of the Spanish neo-Nazi group CEDADE, which had been established in 1966, and which counted him as one of its founding fathers.

Like thousands of other former Nazis, Skorzeny was declared entnazifiziert (denazified) in absentia in 1952 by a West German government arbitration board, which now meant he could travel from Spain into other Western countries. He spent part of his time between 1959 and 1969 in Ireland, where he bought Martinstown House, a 200-acre (0.81 km2) farm in County Kildare in 1959. He also had property in Mallorca.

n the 1960s Skorzeny set up the Paladin Group, which he envisioned as "an international directorship of strategic assault personnel [that would] straddle the watershed between paramilitary operations carried out by troops in uniforms and the political warfare which is conducted by civilian agents". Based near Alicante, Spain, the Paladin Group specialized in arming and training guerrillas, and their clients included the South African Bureau of State Security and Muammar al-Gaddafi. They also carried out work for the Greek military junta of 1967–1974 and some of their operatives were recruited by the Spanish Interior Ministry to wage clandestine war against Basque separatists. The Soviet news agency TASS alleged that Paladin was involved in training US Green Berets for Vietnam missions during the 1960s, but this is considered unlikely.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-R81453%2C_SS-Obersturmbannf%C3%BChrer_Otto_Skorzeny_an_der_Oder_retouched.jpg

In 1970, a cancerous tumor was discovered on Skorzeny's spine. Two tumors were removed in Hamburg, but the surgery left him paralyzed from the waist down. Vowing to walk again, Skorzeny spent long hours with a physical therapist, and within six months was back on his feet.
Otto Skorzeny finally succumbed to cancer on 5 July 1975 in Madrid. He was 67. He was cremated and his ashes were later brought to Vienna to be interred in the Skorzeny family plot at Döblinger Friedhof.

Lord Sidious

3rd April 2011, 10:10

He also had a farm in Ireland where people knew who he was, but didn't care.
A common dislike for the british empire being the reason.
And the Irish have liked the Germans for many years because of it.
Even though Otto was Austrian, he was still German.

Icecold

3rd April 2011, 10:46

Yes, I am aware of the Fascist/Nazi connection to Ireland which was evident during the Spanish Civil War.
The Blueshirts (Irish: Na Léinte Gorma), was a right-wing Irish political organisation active in the 1930s.
Sent a contingent to fight with the republican forces in the Spanish Civil War.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Banner_of_the_Blueshirts.svg/200px-Banner_of_the_Blueshirts.svg.png

Lord Sidious

3rd April 2011, 10:50

Carmody

3rd April 2011, 23:49

In 1970, a cancerous tumor was discovered on Skorzeny's spine. Two tumors were removed in Hamburg, but the surgery left him paralyzed from the waist down. Vowing to walk again, Skorzeny spent long hours with a physical therapist, and within six months was back on his feet.
Otto Skorzeny finally succumbed to cancer on 5 July 1975 in Madrid. He was 67. He was cremated and his ashes were later brought to Vienna to be interred in the Skorzeny family plot at Döblinger Friedhof.

Just thinking of what happened to Benjamin Fulford.....

Leon

12th April 2011, 17:03

It seems the Russians discuss this subject with a bit more of an open mind...

Anyone who can translate this sort of stuff...

http://rutube.ru/tracks/3163734.html?v=32d3544e7d92ef37a924482ac717b22a

The pictures do tell a lot as well...

Lord Sidious

12th April 2011, 21:06

FBI files reveal scare stories of Hitler living in the US

AMERICA'S FBI will this week put online its secret vault of files on Nazi leader Adolf Hitler, describing the agency's attempts to find him after 1945.
On 29 April 1945 Hitler and Eva Braun, his wife of one day, killed themselves in the Berlin bunker. But Soviet authorities who found the remains were happy for rumours to persist that he got away.

Now 752 sides of FBI reports chart how agents variously thought he was hiding out on a
ranch in Argentina, living in a hotel in Denmark and in New York City. Extracts from them were published in Germany's Bild newspaper yesterday.

He was bearded, clean-shaven, suffered from asthma and stomach ulcers, according to informants who wrote their sightings in to the FBI director, J. Edgar Hoover.

The FBI office in Los Angeles noted on 21 September 1945: "Hitler and 50 of his closest family landed approximately ten days after the fall of Berlin in two submarines in southern Argentina. Hitler has grown a beard and is hiding on a ranch."

For almost 30 years, Hoover and the FBI maintained a detailed dossier on Hitler and closely investigated any report that indicated he still was alive, believing the Russian line that he escaped the flames of Berlin.

One theory Hoover ordered his agents to pursue was an extensive 11-year probe into the possibility that Hitler faked his own death with a bogus suicide in 1945.

One sighting came from a doctor in 1954 who claimed to have treated Hitler for an intestinal disorder in St Louis. Others told tales of Hitler dining in a Washington restaurant in 1946.

Years later, the truth emerged from the files of SMERSH - Russia's elite intelligence service meaning 'Death to Spies' - which proved from the reports of Hitler aides in the bunker that he shot himself.

His ashes and bones, together with those of his wife, were buried and uprooted several times in what was former East Germany before being disinterred one last time from a military base near Magdeburg in the 1970s and flung into a river.

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/news/FBI-files-reveal-scare-stories.6749079.jp

We know now of course that the bones they refer to at the end are actually those of a woman, but they have to keep the agenda in place.

Leon

14th April 2011, 18:12

Adolf files are listed in the Vault....

Lost Soul

14th April 2011, 18:44

jackovesk

14th April 2011, 18:48

Did anyone find and charge him for War Crimes?

jackovesk

14th April 2011, 19:20

Leon

14th April 2011, 19:22

This is a google translation of a Russian website it is interesting and does give some more info...

This is a link to the original:

http://www.proza.ru/2009/01/11/684

Escape of Adolf Hitler
Valery Suntsov
Attention readers! The work of the author is the primary source! This is its value!

Dear readers, according to my sleepy vision, I was shown the following events.

These historical events showed me a long time, but because I have not remembered everything. In this article I will briefly remind you about them and express your point of view, shown to me by my guardian angel. Basically, everything is already written about it, but I will be their refinement, in contrast to other authors of mass an Internet plagiarism.
Dear readers, we know that April 30, 1945, as the Luftwaffe captain Peter Baumgard, he carried on his private plane from Germany to Norway to Adolf Hitler! There, Hitler, accompanied by several persons who moved into the submarine and went in the direction of Antarctica.

Soviet troops were approaching Berlin, began his assault. Evening, April 30, 1945 Hitler came to a close associate of (name of sleep, I can not remember. - Comm. Auth.), Who convincingly and persistently asked Adolf Hitler: promptly served with him from Berlin! Time to razdumyvanie remained small.
Hitler was against it, leave, because I thought that now, at a difficult time for Germany, and it should remain in Berlin until the end!
Ally strongly urged Adolf leave with him to Germany, because its complete destruction is evident! That there is no presence of Hitler's Germany could save now! That this Hitler dooms itself only to certain death!
- Either run them out of Germany have now or will be too late! - Ascertained the fact of Hitler's ally.
Adolf Hitler was stubborn and slow thinking: How could he do? His personal presence in Germany, Adolf Hitler wanted to inspire the defenders of Berlin.
- I'm all for this escape is already prepared! - Interrupted by Hitler thought his colleague.
- But, they will look for me around the world and still find me! - Hitler brought his argument. - Sooner or later, but I appear before the court - has continued to analyze the situation Adolph.
- No you will not look, because I Fuhrer I gave the order to kill your twin! - Parried a highly significant ally of Hitler.
- Which of them?
- The most like you, my Führer!
Indeed, Hitler had a few like him twins, but among them was a double of Hitler, who was most similar to Adolf Hitler! All his body parts were fitted by surgeons under Hitler, including the teeth, crowns and other defining characteristics of Hitler.
Adolf Hitler was especially fond of his double. He treated him as his twin brother. Once they are together even tried to play the personal secretary to Hitler, while using his striking resemblance. Both are specifically decided to give ridiculous orders Secretary of Hitler, that he showed his gumption. To this end, they chose Hitler's bedroom.
And so, Secretary (Adjutant) received double for Hitler and wanted to go and fulfill his absurd orders, when suddenly from behind the curtain came true, Hitler, and also gave his order, contrary to the first order of his twin. Secretary Adolf confused and did not know what to do, now Hitler had two!
Counterpart of Hitler sent a gun on this, and Hitler ordered the Secretary, that he carried out his orders (false).
Secretary managed to grab a gun and send it to present Hitler. Hitler, in turn, said Secretary that he is a Hitler, and the second is false.
Counterpart of Hitler tried to convince the Secretary that it was the real Hitler, but the other false! Secretary confused, he did not know: who of the two of them believe?
Twin Hitler took this Hitler in his sights, and kept them and ordered the Secretary not to resist because then he would shoot the Fuhrer! So they all three went into the corridor. Here, in the corridor, this Hitler, "boiled" with anger and began to berate the Secretary for his rashness.
Secretary of excuses that he could not determine: which of the two of them now, and who is wrong?
Nervous Hitler came to him and said: - That's how you can order any of my twin, and you execute it! - Hitler rebuked his secretary.
The Secretary was babbling and excuses to Hitler. Then the real Hitler began to show the Secretary for himself and for his twin differences, which could see himself secretary.
The Secretary replied that he knows these characters, and so made such blunders!
This Hitler ordered the Secretary to memorize all the differences of their twins, which he did.
A week later, Adolf Hitler personally took from his secretary exam, changing their twins. Exam Secretary was put on great! (Twins Hitler was from 4 to 6 people, rarely 8. Bad actor killed! - Comm. Auth.).

Collecting your small things in a hurry, Hitler recalled his good twin and he was sorry for his twin, but this situation called for sacrifice him!
Soon, in the office of Adolf Hitler's ally appeared and angrily told him that he did too much with him did not take! Hitler was sorry to leave personal belongings and objects to which he was accustomed. His farewell glance, Hitler looked on the wall paintings and other expensive things to his heart.
Ally took Hitler's hand and led her to the door. Hitler turned around and thought: How much of a good and valuable for him to stay here. But the situation in a hurry and he fully trusted himself to his companion.
Adolf Hitler personally do not understand: where do they go and what they do? He's just like a child trying to keep up with his savior!
Sat in the plane, they flew to Norway. Here, Hitler, accompanied by several persons, moved into the submarine and went in the direction of Antarctica.

Being inside the submarine, Hitler did not know: where they sail, as it was in some kind of gloom and depression! This can be conditionally of course, compared with when the so-called "gamers", loses in the machine a lot of money!
He realized that the war was lost to them, and now he feared most for his arrest or the betrayal of people from their environment. Here, a submarine, he no longer felt like "Lord of the German Empire," and thinking constantly: betray me ally or not?
Now Hitler was felt unnecessary and annoying all the doll from which you can get rid of! Hitler himself did not understand: Why fuss with his senior colleague when you can just shoot him for the defeat in this war! - Did he, Hitler, someone else from among the Germans needed? - Adolf thought.
- For my "head", the colleague could get good money! - Secretly thought Hitler.
Ally, in contrast to Hitler, was gay and how he could reassure that.
- It's over! I lost! What will happen to Germany? I've never see their homeland! All they think of me that I was shot! And, here I am alive! Let them think that I was dead, seek not to be! If only this colleague did not betray me! - Very sadly continued to ponder the Fuhrer.
At the same fellow was a joyful high spirits, which led to Hitler's suspicion: Perhaps rejoices Couchoud who will get for my "head" of any power, any country. Get me, any State resell me Russian! And they will not spare the money to get me!
In the end, Hitler was just tired of all the latest news, and it seemed to him that he flies off on a rocket from Earth forever! - Now he is out of reach, and in front of him waiting for the unknown: Somehow it be? Once it developed, its fate? - Experienced Hitler.
Adolf Hitler was a sigh of relief and doom, and with the breath, let go of yourself, as if all his worries and the bitterness of defeat! Brain Hitler demanded from his owner - a simple holiday, and nerves - relaxing.
- Come what may! - Decided to Hitler himself, and fell into depression and prostration.
Adolf Hitler was kept in the cabin and tried not to appear before members of the team that they should not let the wild rumor that Hitler was still alive!

Ally and savior of Hitler's colorfully described his one secret location on the planet, where Hitler would feel in complete safety and comfort! Where is Adolf Hitler, well, did not get "the hand of the Kremlin, and where he will head a new Aryan government -" New Swabia "!

For the sake of historical justice, it must be noted and that Adolf Hitler himself knew almost nothing about the existence of "Base-211" in Antarctica, and now with surprise and slight disbelief listening to a colleague. This can, conditionally, to compare with the way if you knew that your friend has a problem, but never on it were not! Now that we're in the car of his friend, you listen to his praise of her: what she is big and powerful, this cottage. And what a wonderful Garden of Eden in the country! And what is there fountains, some air, and what it created elegant and comfortable environment, etc.
Hitler also always thought that their station in Antarctica is a solitary standing tents on the ice field, around which strong winds blow, so terrible cold for fifty degrees. The fact that in Antarctica are warm and comfortable, Hitler was very much doubted. But such a fabulous kind words about the "Base - 211", his colleagues, mellifluous Hitler!

The first submarine traveled a long journey from the coast of Norway before the other two, and played the role of leading the intelligence boats. The second submarine, with Hitler on board, left the port of Norway later this first boat. The third submarine came from quite a different port, which was still east of the port from where the submarine went to Hitler on the board. Waiting for the approximation of the third submarine, the boat with Hitler on board, went on a long journey - to the coast of Argentina.
When the three submarines ("U-977", "U-530", "U-465") swam in the Atlantic Ocean itself, and skirted the UK, they merged and floated on the surface of the ocean. However, after twelve minutes, they spotted on the radio radio communications at the airport and the pilots themselves escaping enemy aircraft, they were forced once again to plunge into the ocean.
They sailed to the South has roughly the latitude of the Strait of Gibraltar (Azores. - Comm. The author.) And re-surfaced. British and American planes did not fly here, but because they could no longer consider themselves safe!
Here, a submarine, with Hitler on board as the other two submarines refuel kerosene and products with a "secret base" extreme Azores. It occurred as a betrayal and corruption of local entrepreneurs and local officials in the island. After refueling from a submarine swam at the very top speed in the direction of Antarctica. The second submarine was left to accompany the boat with Hitler on the board. But after a few hundred kilometers to the South, the second submarine as well let it rip and left the escort boat Hitler.
Adolf Hitler was against this move, but his ally and savior convince Hitler that must be so! That there is no danger, to meet the submarine, or enemy aircraft, and therefore no need for their support!
Hitler by words such fellow was quite scary and creepy. In addition, he was very afraid of random holes boats and the bay of the cold ocean water, and that no one can really help them! Knocks on the iron hull submarine terribly frightened of Hitler, crushed in the cabin sounds empty iron barrel. Each such sound is Hitler much anxiety and excitement: - Oh, Do not drown! Is it time to run to the exit? To this end, Hitler asked his savior in advance to show him: Where is exit from the submarine and how it faster to achieve this the exit?

The submarine is the same with Hitler on board, unlike the two other submarines, slowed their progress, and slowly moved to the south. This maneuver commander of the submarine itself the savior of Hitler, was allowed the first two of their submarines to swim to the shores of Antarctica and unload. After this maneuver, all the crews of three boats were to arrive in the Argentine port of Mar del Plata, Argentina, and surrender!
Located roughly in the area Latitude Equator, Adolf Hitler and his entourage on a submarine, on the radio to hear the German surrender! Of the dynamics of radio flowed at different wavelengths and different languages, the universal rejoicing and enjoying the victory!
Hitler felt delinquent child who has not fulfilled its task! His promises to his people and the party he has not fulfilled and failed them miserably - the complete defeat and surrender! Any other officer would immediately put an end to suicide, but Hitler was in no hurry with this, he waited for the reaction of party members and senior officers' ranks, and because Hitler had stayed to live!

Submarine with Hitler on board arrived in the Argentine port of Mar del Plata. Along with the boat Hitler arrived, another submarine, which left them first. Since it unloaded on the shore of the Antarctic food, magic symbols of power, of valuable archive, and the things themselves of Hitler, and then the submarine returned to port, as was previously planned by them. The third submarine has not yet arrived from Antarctica. On board the third submarine, there were about thirty people forced (slaves count. - Comm. Auth.), About twenty-five true Aryans of the Third Reich, boxes of food, barrels of diesel fuel, and various gornoprohodcheskoe equipment.

Before Adolf Hitler transplant from a submarine on a fishing boat were taken security measures. Savior of Adolf Hitler asked to wait in his cabin so he could remove the extra curious Argentines crowding outside.
Hitler gave someone else's coat hanging on a hanger, but on the face of surgical bandage. Likewise, were dressed all four officers. Turned up his collar and his head bowed low, all five people came together from a submarine, and carried every one of the four fishing vessels, except for Hitler himself and his savior. Moreover, in order to disguise, Hitler was forced to wait and transplanted it into a fishing boat in the penultimate turn. Later, on this occasion, being already on a fishing boat, the savior of Hitler himself had once again give their explanation to Adolf that why he did so, and not otherwise?
The Savior said, Adolf Hitler, that's all done for his personal safety. Each of the number of its possible enemies will think of Hitler, according to his high rank and status, transplanted into the first and the first fishing boat. And if someone decides to attack is the first fishing boat, then that is waiting for a complete disappointment!
Hitler asked his savior, which is why they float on a fishing boat, rather than on a comfortable boat?
The Savior said, Adolf Hitler, all this was done in order to disguise and security. Again, each of the possible number of its enemies will think of Hitler, according to his high rank and status would have to carry on a comfortable boat, and therefore, no longer will be to attack these fishing vessels, in order to destroy the person of Hitler. Moreover, three fishing boats back to port with fish caught in the ocean! By this maneuver, they will convince the local population and secretly interested parties that it was a real fishing, organized according to the whims of foreign rich. As a result, the entire local population port of Mar del Plata, will speak during the interrogation of such services, these vagaries of foreign oligarchs.
Hitler reluctantly agreed with his savior, although I believe that the danger has passed, and we could find for him a more comfortable and elegant ship.
Dear readers, let you leave until Adolf Hitler, sailing on a fishing boat, to the icy shores of Antarctica and learn the fate of the three submarines "U-977", "U-530", "U-465".

The captains of the two submarines (the third submarine has not yet arrived from the coast of Antarctica. - Comm. Auth.) Gathered a council, which discussed the nuances, and as agreed among themselves to keep "silence" and not to mention in the log and all of its Document number submarines, aboard which there was Adolph Hitler. That is, whether it be in itself an Argentine port of Mar del Plata, came just two submarines, not three!
That's about it in his letter to Captain Heinz Schaeffer wrote to his friend Willy Bernhard that he refused to publish his memoirs than he could give out the secret saving Hitler, as well as the existence of the German Antarctic "Base-211", which was conceived the new German State of New Swabia !
In mid-1983, a Western intelligence services, was intercepted a letter from two, in which the former commander of the submarine Schaeffer wrote to his friend Willy Bernhard should not be in his memoirs, wartime mention submarine «U-530 on board the Adolph Hitler. Referring to the number of the sub, they both had in mind of Hitler. Outsider reader, not knowing this secret, I could not think what we are talking about Adolf Hitler's.
The very same Captain Heinz Schaeffer sympathized with the creation of a German state secret Antarctica - New Swabia, and therefore did not want his friend mentioned in his memoirs about the Adolf Hitler and New Swabia. To their publications memoir, Willy Bernhard could not attract the attention of the intelligence services of other countries, and has not caused the world community of curiosity and even universal military attacks on New Swabia!
Himself as Willy Bernhard like a lot of money and the global explosion of fame! He often thought, and kept going in my mind: How much he can get money for this information by issuing the mystery of salvation Hitler and the existence of New Swabia in Antarctica?
Willy Bernhard restrained from divulging the secrets of only one thing - the fear of being killed by agents of the intelligence of this most New Swabia! Agents of the New Swabia has long been introduced into various structures of the special services of other countries, and in senior management positions of various states, and therefore represented a truly real threat to life Willy Bernhard.
- Why are dead money? - Think Willie and abandoned his venture - the publication of his memoirs on the subject.

Chief of the Argentine port of Mar del Plata, like German submarines arrived, and he decided to capture them in favor of the state! To this end, he collected at the port of port workers and employees, and they tried several times to capture the German submarine.
Port workers and employees of the chief port security is clearly not enough to physically capture the submarine. Then the chief of port security rushed to the port street and began to drum up all the passing by the Argentines that they helped him capture the submarine. Not every passing of the Argentines have come to the aid of agitated head of port security. Then the chief sent a messenger to the big city to the one on his behalf asked for help from city leaders, in sending them here armed group of soldiers.

German submariners barely restrained physically assault Argentines-patriots. Each time it was getting to do more and more difficult. Finally, it is the time "peak" when the divers were given four machine, from which the bullets whistled over their heads in the port of attacking the Argentines. At the same time on the beach were planted all the crew of one submarine, which arrived Hitler, except the bare minimum submarine, which was necessary for the management of the submarine to bring it from the port to the open ocean!
Since then, the two submarines have given back up, and left on the surface of the ocean. Here they had to wait for the third submarine, as the radio itself, because of long distances, it was not. There was a real danger that the Argentines will try to take this submarine himself. It was necessary to warn about the real threat to the commander of the third submarine.

When the Argentines tried to swim to the submarine at various rowing boats (other in the port was not. - Comm. Auth.) German commander was told Argentines that in this case, they will flood the submarine in the ocean. To this end, all crew members submarines, which came Adolf Hitler, had crossed on boats on one submarine, leaving two sailors on board - watch and direct the Executive, which signal the top watching the diver will open for flooding their submarines needed valves and Kingston.
The Argentines did not believe the German submariners and decided to attack submarines in the ocean. While they swam to the nearest submarine to them, were opened desired Kingston, and the submarine, which arrived here by Adolf Hitler, quickly plunged into the ocean.
Upper watching submariner himself escaped alive, but the performer himself drowned. To save the top watching the diver was sent to the boat with another submarine.
Argentines immediately returned to shore, as to stay afloat, another submarine, the captain of which can be bargained. For these diplomatic negotiations Captain wreck offered his candidacy. Behind him, Argentines sent a boat and the captain was taken ashore to the head of the port. This towering over the ocean shore at this time became a kind of "command center" Argentines. Captain of the submarine refused to proceed to a port in the office of the chief port security, and expressed the requirement - to remain in sight of their colleagues. Otherwise, the rest of his co-workers will flood the submarine in the ocean.
Head of the Argentine port of Mar del Plata, nevertheless agreed with the commander of the submarine to all crew members remained on the submarine afloat themselves left her and crossed here for them to shore. At this point, they both had in mind ingenious secret from each other's intentions. The captain bargained himself a few days to reflect and food supply. Captains and crews of all the members of the two submarines were waiting for the arrival at the port of the third submarine.
Those days were needed to master in order to establish radio contact with the third submarine! All submariners submarines with great excitement and trepidation waiting for a response signal from the third submarine, which was supposed to return from the icy snow-covered Antarctica.
Finally, there was a submarine radio speakers is weak and sketchy relationship with third submarine! That's been the joy and jubilation for all crew members of both submarines! Waited another four hours to radio submarines became more stable and understandable for their communications.
As a result, the commander of the third submarine was warned about the threat of capture Argentines submarines, but because he gave orders that he no longer enter into any negotiations with the Argentines, and, approaching the very shores of Argentina, first ferried all the people on shore, and the very U-boat sunk!
The commander of the third submarine personally asked him to specify the coordinates where the submarine was flooded to "lie down" his submarine to the ocean floor near a submerged submarine!

After graduating from the Radio began convey of the shore of the second submarine crew members. The commander of the submarine from the Argentinians showed secret precaution, leaving on board a submarine submariner one hero who will be able to sacrifice their lives and open the desired Kingston.
The chief of the port security ordered his oarsmen, that when the last crew members on the submarine podplyvut his boat to shore them urgently to break away from the place, sit on the boat and rowed to the submarine that is urine to grab it!
That's all that would happen, but submariners time found a spurt of Argentine rowers to their boats and just rushed to his boat. From that moment began the most real rowing competitions between two teams.
German submariners were able to reduce the gap and return on a submarine for a few seconds before the Argentine rowers. On the upper deck of the submarine immediately struck up a fight. Since the Argentine rowers had more than our own submarines, in the course of fighting, the commander of the submarine was ordered to shout hero submariner: - "sink the submarine!
Argentines do not think that inside the submarine is hiding a secret man, who sacrificed themselves, will open kingston! Rowers the same ceased to fight and offered submariners back to sit on a boat and sail along with them to the shores of Argentina.
All This was done under contract with the rowers. But, while sailing on a submarine for a few meters, the rowers to row again rushed to the submarine. Submariners themselves barely had time to react to the tricky maneuver of Argentine rowers, but still managed to overtake them. This was repeated several times.
Submariners confessed to his commander that the physical strength more than they have, but because at other times they fail to arrive at the submarine in time. All of them decided it was time to give orders to the flooding of the submarine! Once the latest fighting, the commander of the submarine ordered his secret man submariner for flooding the submarine!
He was quickly going down the submarine, where he opened all the right Kingston. Deck of a submarine under the feet of fighting men was filled with water. The submarine began to sink into the ocean! Brawl quickly stopped because it was necessary to urgently leave the entire deck of the submarine that is not sucked down a whirlpool of their own. As a result, two German submarines were in the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean!

The third submarine of its time swam here just landed in boats the entire crew of the submarine to the shore, except for a minimum of submariners who could control the submarine. Captain of the third U-boat captains asked the other two submarines to show the burial place of two other submarines. Visually, the place itself, and echo sounders flooding of two submarines was installed. For this maneuver, the captain, with high banks of visually showing visual signals of their hands the third submarine commander: "To the left, right, farther, closer."
The third submarine was to follow on the surface away from the beach - the ocean in the distance, which is clearly alarmed the chief port security. The third submarine of the same by running in the ocean circle, turned around and went to the same spot where it sank iron sisters. The boat had been transferred to the bank all the remaining crew members, after which the submarine hero, sacrificing his life, opened the necessary kingston! And so is the third submarine lay on the ocean floor almost next to two other submarines.

Dear readers, it should be noted also that this transition of submarines from the coast of Norway to the coast of Argentina at that time considered to be the true record in swimming subs!
On the topic of food and nutrition team members submarines, it obviously was not enough! Was introduced by the reduced food rations. The fact that the submariners themselves in front of Argentines fed seagulls canned, it was just a showy bravado! For this gesture - the performance, were collected in addition preserves the past. By this gesture submariners wanted to show Argentines that cross the Atlantic Ocean: north - south, it is as easy as two fingers to irrigate the urine! They are all in good spirits, and most combat-ready! They wanted to sell submarines Argentines on more expensive, and therefore "stuffed submarines price! Argentina could have as part of its fleet of three submarines, but excessive speed "hot" and hastily chief port of Mar del Plata, has harmed the entire auction!

Dear readers, let us be with you again go back to fishing boat, which continued to swim fled Adolf Hitler, to the shores of Antarctica.

Podplyvaya the coast of Antarctica, the savior, standing on the deck, showed Hitler on engineering equipment for mining, which still had on the Record "Base - 211. Things Hitler, already have brought in his new Antarctic apartments. Just the very first were recorded: some stolen a valuable archive attributes of German sacred and boxes of food.
Finally, Adolf Hitler came ashore in Antarctica, and then her savior, the narrow and dark corridor "Base - 211" was forwarded to them in wide and bright, high-ceilinged room, intended for Hitler's cabinet. Inside the room was very warm, and grew large plants, more like a "winter garden", not the new cabinet of Hitler!
Hitler, his body felt warm and I remembered the boastful tales of his savior. Indeed, here in Antarctica, it was very warm and he will not have a terrible cold from Antarctic cold - happily pointed out to Hitler himself.
Hitler was cheered, and his indefatigable rescuer verbally painted rainbow happy life and chinopolozhenie Hitler's own prosperity and success, under the leadership of Hitler - New Swabia! At this point, they were both like children and boastfully fantasized in unison. It was a complete fantasy idyll bubbling fountain.
Soon the room became a major leader of "Base - 211. Savior Hitler left the room leaving them alone. The head of the base said that soon there will be elections, and Hitler's pick for the post of Chancellor of the new Germany of the Third Reich - New Shvablandii!
Adolf Hitler himself in the soul of doubt that he is elected the new chancellor of Germany, called the New Shvablandiey as ashamed of his shame - they lost the war! He thought that he does not forgive, so very much doubted. But, seeing that he really wants to elect a new chancellor, with each day his strength, courage and faith in his bright future! Gradually, Hitler withdrew from the shock of defeat, and his confidence has returned to him.
Hitler asked the head of "Base-211": What does the word Swabia?
Head of "Base-211" Hitler said that the root word of Swabia will consist of four letters - "W", "B", "A", "B".
- The letter "W" - this is the first letter of surname of the scientist and engineer for the developer of the engine "flying saucer". The letter "B" - will be the initial letter of name of the second scientist and developer of engine turbine blades for the promotion of itself "flying saucer" - began to explain to the head of the base. (It is possible that these were the famous scientists VO noise and Walter Shtauberg (Viktor Schauberger) - Note. Auth.). Since their last and first names begin with the same letters, it was decided to take the name of the new country as Swabia: one the first letter of his name, and another scientist - from the initial letters of his name! They worked in pairs and are obliged to each other by their discovery and development! Due to their ongoing joint development of engines, as well as themselves constructions "Flying Saucers - diskoletov" here in Antarctica, and was founded "Base-211"! All equipment with individual secret factories in Europe were transported here - in Antarctica! Here, the "Base-211" in Antarctica, it was decided to continue work begun in Europe.
- The third letter - "A" - will mean the initial letter of the name "Adolf" - said the head of the base than pleased Hitler.
- Fourth letter - "B" - would mean the first letter of surname of the founder and leader of this base!
And so, to get the word SH.V.A.B., ie - Shvablandiya! (Land - translated from German into Russian, as a country. Shvabstrana, ie Shvablandiya! Reduction will - Swabia. - Comm. Auth.).

Adolf Hitler every day asking the head of the base, that when the same place on his election to the chancellor?
Head of "Base-211" explaining that it is necessary to prepare for this member of the Military Council, as part of the officers was against Hitler's candidacy for the position.
Hitler daily reported that today they managed to persuade Hitler in favor of another senior officer here.
Two weeks later, most of the local officers had been prepared for "the right choice."
Part of the officers still was opposed to Hitler, and believed that Hitler, after the defeat of the war with the USSR, is not worthy to lead them again, because they believed his talentless head! They all believed that if Adolf Hitler had listened to their opinion at the time, this war would be won by them! Hitler himself did not like the "upstarts" who were smarter than he, and suppressed their initiative in the bud, preferring to act alone!
That's their savior, who organized the escape of Hitler to Antarctica, Hitler disliked, as he showed himself to be more talented, resourceful and capable lucky, intelligent leader. On the background of their savior, Hitler looked pale, abilities and charity less intelligent leader. Hitler feared that this difference noticed by other people and re-elected him! Hitler was seen as a savior dangerous "upstart", and conceived the future of time to remove that from all leadership positions!

And so, after such precautions - to persuade senior officers, took the election itself, where Adolf Hitler chose the new chancellor of New Swabia, but with voting twice in a row! In the first vote Hitler lost! Had once again publicly in the hall to persuade the officers that "as necessary"! The second time a vote, Hitler won the elections!
After this pleasant procedure to Hitler's fear for his life Hitler had changed to self-confidence and a farce to the former military Hitler. All had left his strength: the physical and spiritual back to Hitler again!
- Oh now he will justify the trust of voters and will regain its former pre-war and glory, who left him after the defeat in World War II - some reasoned Hitler after his appointment as Chancellor - New Swabia!
In 1971, Adolf Hitler, died quietly in his bed! During his reign, New Swabia, established the connection with an evil entity that lives right there, together with the aliens, and that personally, but reluctantly assists the Council to the Germans in their development of new types of weapons, including psychotropic weapons. Space creature could give the Germans a lot, but her knowledge used by the Americans and the Japanese treaty, which this evil entity dislike! Not everyone received from the vicious nature of knowledge, share the Germans with the Americans, let alone with the Japanese and even less. It also happens that the Cosmic evil creature allowed their research on the wrong track, or a primitive way deadlock.
Americans themselves have concluded a secret treaty with the Germans of the Third Reich, the Americans that they will deliver food, rail, trolley, gornoprohodcheskoe equipment, machine tools, metal, etc., and the Germans will share with them their latest military developments, obtained from this evil entity !
At one time the Japanese physically, sailing away from the Americans, followed the Americans, who supplied the "Base-211" specified in the list of supplies, and just asked for himself for his "silence" its share of military information! Moreover, it was decided the port itself Antarctic station "Base-211" to convey Japan and renamed, to disguise, in Japanese (it is very possible that this station - Asuka! - Comm. Auth.).
From the "Base-211" was made a second exit into the ocean and also the port of the station was given to Japan, which gave the port its Japanese name (it is very possible that this station - Showa! - Comm. Auth.).
The second output of "Base-211" needed to have an outlet to the ocean to protect its first exit from the attack of the enemy! This has taught them attack a military squadron led by the United States R. Byrd "Operation High Jump".

Dear readers! It was very, very upset and annoyed the secret services of the USSR, that Hitler escaped from their justice! Large as the military leaders and heads of intelligence services of the USSR posoveschayas in May 1945 between himself, chose not to overshadow the celebration of victory, but because they decided to lie to the soldiers and the people that Adolf Hitler committed suicide! They are still shaking us of the box with the remains of Hitler. Shown on television jaw and gold dental bridge Hitler.

Dear my readers, please note that this information has been received by me from my sleep the same vision, so decide for yourself: Do you want to - believe it or - no! You never know what can dream a dream, each of us!

Dear readers! Bring to your attention my other articles, which are closely intertwined with that article, such as: - "Space creation", "Plans for the Third Reich", and once again preparing to release: "The East is on fire", "UFO's Third Reich," The Birth " Base-211 ".

Orthodox theosophy -
VM SESC January 3, 2009, Kirov.

jackovesk

14th April 2011, 21:10

Lord Sidious

15th April 2011, 01:03

Anything Skorzeny says must be taken with caution. While he was present when Mussolini was freed from the Italian Army and Carabineri, it was a Luftwaffe paratrooper operation that Skorzeny was allowed to tag along. He wrongfully claimed the credit for the work of the paratroopers but since he was a Hitler favorite, no one cared. Second, as a "key component" of Der Wacht am Rhein (Ardennes Offensive), his unit of english speaking paratroopers went behind Allied lines to spread confusion. Skorzeny was clearly serving beyond his level of competence and while they did cause some confusion, they fell short of expectation. Reading Skorzeny's book makes you think he was an the equivalent of the British SAS or SBS, Orde Wingate (of the Chindits) and Lawrence of Arabia all rolled into one.

Actually, no.
Those fallschirmjager were both Luftwaffe and Waffen SS. And yes, Sturmbannfuhrer Skorzeny was in charge.
He trained the men for that mission himself.
You fail to acknowledge his capture of Horthy's son and the keeping of Hungary in the war, the mission to capture or kill tito, the 24 hours he spent in command of the entire armed forces of the Reich on 20th July 1944 and also that churchill himself called Herr Skorzeny ''the most dangerous man in europe'', hardly something he would have done otherwise.
The SAS is one of the most misunderstood units out there, as is SBS too.
What do you think the primary role of the SAS actually is?
I would love to have Herr Skorzeny on my team.

Lost Soul

15th April 2011, 02:39

Lost Soul

15th April 2011, 02:43

SAS back in WW II was supposed to destroy raid Luftwaffe airfields in North Africa and destroy their planes on the ground. Instead of parachuting in, they motored in courtesy of the LRDG. Funny how the LRDG was disbanded but the SAS endured.

SBS was part of the Royal Marines during WW II . They started with small, folding canoes and did various operations along the coast.

Lord Sidious

15th April 2011, 04:22

While Waffen SS did have its own faschimjagers, the operation was under the command of Luftwaffe General Kurt Student. It was planned by the Luftwaffe and the majority of paratroopers were Luftwaffe paratroopers, not Waffen SS. Osprey Publications in the UK released a book on that operation and the author clearly states Skorzeny's limited role. If you look at the German newsreel, you'll see the majority of men are Luftwaffe and not Waffen SS. German newsreel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzJyYn9tgFw)

They are indeed wearing Luftwaffe smocks and yes, Karl Student was in command of the whole thing.
The actual mission was under Skorzenys control.
The Waffen SS did not have fallschirm equipment as the only ones that did at that stage was the Luftwaffe.
Even the Heer had shut down their programmes.

SAS back in WW II was supposed to destroy raid Luftwaffe airfields in North Africa and destroy their planes on the ground. Instead of parachuting in, they motored in courtesy of the LRDG. Funny how the LRDG was disbanded but the SAS endured.

SBS was part of the Royal Marines during WW II . They started with small, folding canoes and did various operations along the coast.

The role of the SAS is to conduct long range recon.
Sabotage is a secondary role.
Similar with SBS, except they usually operate on water, but not always.

Lord Sidious

15th April 2011, 04:40

http://www.thehistorybunker.co.uk/acatalog/207.ht31.jpg
Now, that is for sure an SS badge as you can see the motto Loyalty is my honour.

http://forum.axishistory.com/files/ssfj_drvar_titokitobv_201.jpg
This is from the raid on Titos hq and that is his jacket, notice they are still wearing Luftwaffe smocks, hence the eagle on their right breast pocket.

http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/w/wss-fall-500-budapest.jpg
SS-Fallschirmjäger-Bataillon 500 guard in Budapest.

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/1290/fj500ta8.jpg
SS-Fallschirmjäger-Bataillon 500 at Drvar, looking for titocommunistnugget.

http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/3369/fj500drvarcv7.jpg
Same again.

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7055/drvar1944fjsp1.jpg
This is the actual drop.

Nasu

16th April 2011, 07:30

Also: Recently declassified U.S. wartime documents from 1945 estimate that the Nazis secretly sent more than $1 billion to be invested in Argentina one month before the war ended.

Thanks Leon. Do you have a link or reference for these documents, very interesting. N

Nasu

16th April 2011, 07:37

Good call master Sidious. Strong are you with the detail. Wonderful to see it is.... N

Leon

17th April 2011, 06:40

I had posted a link,

these are all in Russian, I translated via google tranlator...

http://www.proza.ru/2009/01/11/684

Lord Sidious

17th April 2011, 07:12

I had posted a link,

these are all in Russian, I translated via google tranlator...

http://www.proza.ru/2009/01/11/684

Panjemajo Perusski Leon?

Gustav

17th April 2011, 09:38

Lord Sidious

17th April 2011, 10:23

Uhm, I don't want to distract the topic, especially since I have read (as I could have expected..) a lot of information not known to me here. But the main question of this thread: How could Martin Bormann escape is a subject not much pondered on until now.. ;).

He probably escaped by plane to the coast and then either got on a u boat or flew to Norway and took one from there.
All the way to Argentina.
Not sure if Neuschwabeland comes into the picture though.

Leon

17th April 2011, 12:04

From how I understand it, Borman as well as others did go to argentina, Borman body was reburied in Germany and suddenly discovered... with red clay in the skull which is found in Argentina...

It seems now there is another U-boat in a river in Argentina, which seems to have been sunk there... now to get it lifted to find out more details...

I think if we can trace Borman we also find the others...

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JA govoriti malo srpski

Leon

17th April 2011, 18:15

Here some documents, and a Polish map indicating German held basis and area's...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=6952&d=1303063972

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=6951&d=1303063972

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=6950&d=1303063972

Lord Sidious

17th April 2011, 20:58

Carmody

18th April 2011, 15:54

--------It's corny, and heavily scripted, but shows some of the brilliant work he did. He was decades ahead of his time, and was a genius who could have done far, far more if he'd not left school when he was 12.

Thanks, quite interesting. Correlating physical characteristics with psychological traits seems rather archaic. Hasn't that been demonstrated to be an overly simplistic model lacking veracity?

No, not at all... but it really needs a thread in itself to present all his research. (This one is about Martin Bormann :) )

It's very interesting stuff, which he nailed down to the underlying endocrinology. I should get to it sometime!

This appears to be related to the aspect in astrology called 'decan' or decans. In the astrological zodiac, the 360 degrees can be broken up into divisions called a 'Decan' which is 10 degrees long.

That this world knows only 36 different basic facial types is also telling. I have seen it when looking at this phenomenon of facial recognition. I've seen the effect. When I see a facial type I sometimes guess the time period in the year of the given birth, as the facial type is suggestive of it.

Now, the endocrinology may be involved, if indeed it is true that people can manipulate their body to increase their brain power. In that case.. I see no reason why this underlying mechanism could not show itself in the influence of other bodily conditions or connections. There is room to explore for connection.

Meaning, if you look for doubles of yourself, look in the area of your own birthday...or the 'hot points' in your own astrology. Meaning, the placement of the planets that describe your physicality and associated emotional aspects. This answer is suited to astrologers..but..there you go. This should narrow the field.

Gustav

19th April 2011, 08:31

Leon

19th April 2011, 19:14

Good question, why Indeed?

To make us believe this is where he died??

Why was his body never before discovered?, it was not discovered till it was know he had died!

And to keep us thinking that nothing goes on in Argentina....

Gustav

29th April 2011, 19:46

As is being done is many places ;)

Lost Soul

9th May 2011, 00:35

Robert Forczyk wrote: Raid: Rescuing Mussolini: Gran Sasso 1943. Forczyk points out that the raid was ordered by Kurt Student and planning the raid was Luftwaffe Major Harold Mors. The raid had both an airborne and a land component and Mors led the land component. Its task was to serve as a blocking component to prevent Italian reinforcements to Gran Stasso. In charge of the air component was Lutfwaffe Oberleutnant George Freiherr von Berlepsch in glider #1 of the 1st Kette. Skorzeny was in glider #4 of the 2nd Kette. Armed with only light weapons, Skorzeny's men were supposed to guard the Italian prisoners until Mussolini was freed. They were then to concentrate on guarding Il Duce. Berplepsch's men were armed with heavier weapons including the FG-42 paratrooper rifle, machine guns, mortars and even a 2.8 mm anti-tank gun. They were to be the main assault force.

Skorzeny ignored the tactical plan and reached Mussolini first. Skorzeny, being a Nazi and a Nazi party favorite, received credit from Propaganda Minister Goebbels who conveniently ignored the Luftwaffe. After all, Reichsmarshal Goring had fallen from favor years earlier and was in no position to protest.

Of the Luftwaffe participants, Oberleutnant Berlepsch was killed at Anzio. Major Mors was sent to the Eastern Front and when that didn't kill him, he and his men were sent to Normandy where most of them were killed. Those who weren't killed were captured with Major Mors at the Mons pocket in September. With Berlepsch killed and Mors captured, there was no one but Student left to contradict the official Nazi party version. Skorzeny continued to claim credit and to this day still receives a lot of credit for the raid from the misinformed.