The Moon

[Eric]

Hi All

The moon has become a hot topic of late so i thought i'd share a couple of pics taken by a friend of mine.

A sceptic would say instantly that the camera was re-oriented but my friend insists they were taken with the same general level. The first pic on the left was taken without knowledge which i imparted to him later concerning the moon. the second shot on the right was taken with intent as a comparison of the first.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/absorbed_photography/5541951172/?v=1?ref=nf

considering what david icke and credo mutwa say on this subject

any comments ?

Eric

[Gaia]

Other websites convey the idea that the moon of March 19, 2011 is the brightest and closest since 1993. Wrong. On December 12, 2008, Moon was full, and she went that day 10 km closer to Earth. You can check in a few clicks on the site :
http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/pacalc.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGNxKnLmOH4

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Hi,
Could you please check your link. I'm getting a timed out message.

For the last two days I have hunted high 'n' low to gatch a glimpse of the "Giant Moon", but nothing. The moon can not be found anywhere in my location. In fact its pitch black.

*Welcome to the Twilight Zone*
NzlG28B-R8Y

[The One]

Until i Can go upwards into space i do not believe what i see

[Davidallany]

When I was in Iraq I saw a huge moon, it was a wonderful experience. Over there people sleep outside on the roofs of their houses so peaceful and wonderful, dozing off while watching shooting stars and the moon in complete peace.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Wow, that looks like the moon has rotated fully 100 degrees counter clockwise at least !!
I don't see how the Moon could look like this from anywhere on Earth without actually Physically rotating as is now coming to light in the reasearch of Cornell University here http://arxiv.org/abs/1102.0212

Snippet:
A recent analysis of a Lunar Laser Ranging (LLR) data record spanning 38.7 yr revealed an anomalous increase of the eccentricity of the lunar orbit amounting to de/dt_meas = (9 +/- 3) 10^-12 yr^-1. The present-day models of the dissipative phenomena occurring in the interiors of both the Earth and the Moon are not able to explain it. We examine several dynamical effects, not modeled in the data analysis, in the framework of long-range modified models of gravity and of the standard Newtonian/Einsteinian paradigm. It turns out that none of them can accommodate de/dt_meas. Many of them do not even induce long-term changes in e; other models do, instead, yield such an effect, but the resulting magnitudes are in disagreement with de/dt_meas. In particular, the general relativistic gravitomagnetic acceleration of the Moon due to the Earth's angular momentum has the right order of magnitude, but the resulting Lense-Thirring secular effect for the eccentricity vanishes. A potentially viable Newtonian candidate would be a trans-Plutonian massive object (Planet X/Nemesis/Tyche) since it, actually, would affect e with a non-vanishing long-term variation.
End

We have been telling them the moon looks different for the last couple of years and were sniggerd at :hail:

Hurritt

[SKAWF]

looking at the pictures, one is obviously bigger than the other.
but the large image appears to have been flipped on its vertical axis,
and rotated anti clockwise 45 degrees.

steve

[Eric]

looking at the pictures, one is obviously bigger than the other.
but the large image appears to have been flipped on its vertical axis,
and rotated anti clockwise 45 degrees.

steve

Hi SKAWF

The second image i can testify to as i saw it with my binoculars around the same time exactly as i saw it oriented in the sky.

Eric

[bluestflame]

maybe the magnetics of other planetary bodies throughout our solar system( even beyond) are also changing

would explain a few weird impressions of the moons activity lately

[Lettherebelight]

If it's clear where you are, you still may be able to catch this moon tonight...
...only slightly on the wane.

DsSy5BPsfYA

[yhvh]

There was a gov astronomy record on Chinese Jin dynasty(15th June 1133): The Moon suddenly drift away, go to south, for a moment, turn back.

[Garry Irwin]

62546255Hi guys...
I've been taking photos of the moon this last month. I've uploaded them to an album on my profile page.
Until I saw this thread, I didn't even think to look at the orientation of the moon in my pictures.
I'm not a professional photographer, but I've got pretty good gear and sometimes (!) I even know how to use it to good effect!
The first two photos were taken just 4 days apart, March 14th and 18th 2011.
And the last one was taken 15th Aug 2010.
The camera was mounted on a tripod and levelled in each photo.
As you can see. the markings on the moon (seas - I don't know their names) appear at different angles in each picture.
Is this unusual or normal...? I don't know.
Perhaps someone with a higher level of education than I can explain how this manifests?
Come on you astronomers... we need to know :-)

[tkh123186]

62546255Hi guys...
I've been taking photos of the moon this last month. I've uploaded them to an album on my profile page.
Until I saw this thread, I didn't even think to look at the orientation of the moon in my pictures.
I'm not a professional photographer, but I've got pretty good gear and sometimes (!) I even know how to use it to good effect!
The first two photos were taken just 4 days apart, March 14th and 18th 2011.
And the last one was taken 15th Aug 2010.
The camera was mounted on a tripod and levelled in each photo.
As you can see. the markings on the moon (seas - I don't know their names) appear at different angles in each picture.
Is this unusual or normal...? I don't know.
Perhaps someone with a higher level of education than I can explain how this manifests?
Come on you astronomers... we need to know :-)

I believe this is normal as the moon rotates around on the earths orbit you see different parts of the moon... could be wrong though!

[Ancient]

Is this unusual or normal...? I don't know.
Come on you astronomers... we need to know :-)

This lunar motion is called libration. It is an oscillating motion of orbiting bodies relative to each other, which includes the motion of the Moon relative to Earth.

The pictures that you took during various phases appear different because the moon has slightly oscillated during the time between pictures.

Check out this animated gif on the phenomena.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Lunar_libration_with_phase_Oct_2007_450px.gif/220px-Lunar_libration_with_phase_Oct_2007_450px.gif

Here is the wikipedia article on libration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libration

Take care! ;)

[Ancient]

Another excellent article on the orbital dynamics of the moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

[Teakai]

Since hearing that the moon is a hollowed out planetoid that's used to control human behaviour - well, it's just doesn't do it for me anymore.

[slipknotted]

i dont like the vibe of the moon its a controlling enity used for very negative beings.

[bearcow]

The sunlight reflected off the surface of the moon has been "flipped" from yang to yin dominant, this substance is more easily used by occult societies to create things in their own image. The moon or moonlight is not inherently evil, it can be used by anybody to create whatever "reality" they wish.

[Eric]

62546255Hi guys...
I've been taking photos of the moon this last month. I've uploaded them to an album on my profile page.
Until I saw this thread, I didn't even think to look at the orientation of the moon in my pictures.
I'm not a professional photographer, but I've got pretty good gear and sometimes (!) I even know how to use it to good effect!
The first two photos were taken just 4 days apart, March 14th and 18th 2011.
And the last one was taken 15th Aug 2010.
The camera was mounted on a tripod and levelled in each photo.
As you can see. the markings on the moon (seas - I don't know their names) appear at different angles in each picture.
Is this unusual or normal...? I don't know.
Perhaps someone with a higher level of education than I can explain how this manifests?
Come on you astronomers... we need to know :-)

Thanks Upanatom
I see even in your pics the rotation is apparent and much more pronounced than in the Libration animated gif

Eric

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Is this unusual or normal...? I don't know.
Come on you astronomers... we need to know :-)

This lunar motion is called libration. It is an oscillating motion of orbiting bodies relative to each other, which includes the motion of the Moon relative to Earth.

The pictures that you took during various phases appear different because the moon has slightly oscillated during the time between pictures.

Check out this animated gif on the phenomena.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Lunar_libration_with_phase_Oct_2007_450px.gif/220px-Lunar_libration_with_phase_Oct_2007_450px.gif

Here is the wikipedia article on libration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libration

Take care! ;)

Thanks ancient great info

the rotation is still somewhat lacking to the pics

What does everyone else think ?

cheers

eric

[Garry Irwin]

Yes indeed, Eric.
Despite there being only 4 days difference between the first 2 photos I posted above, the apparent angle is quite noticeable.
I don't pretend to know the big words that scientists like to use when describing orbital paths of planets and satellites, but I'm sure there is an explanation in plain English somewhere that accounts for what I see in my photos.
There does appear to be more going on than just libration as Ancient showed us in his post.
I have a friend who is a keen amateur astronomer... I shall put this to him.
Meanwhile, I feel a need to become acquainted with the laws of planetary motion... lol
Regards :-)

[Zepheriah]

An awful lot of what people might see as unexplained phenomena are simple plantetary observations. Its the same with an awful lot of things, 9 times out of 10 there is a very simple (relatively speaking) explantion.

It's the remaining 1 thats the intersting bit. I'm a very factual person. It takes a lot for me to make a jump to the esoteric, i need to see quantifiable evidence. As stated above, the angle we see the moon at does differ to a certain degree, but its a simlpe matter of orbit, nothig sinister.

Also, and forgive me for forgetting the phrase, there is a scientific term for the percieved size of the moon. It relates to a theory that the moon itself does not change in size. Such a phenomena is impossible beyond accretion. Its a case of atmospheric conditions such as air pressure, density, temperature and humidity and of perspective relative to surrounding objects. If i can find the document i'll post it up here, i won't go into the depths of it incas ei get it horribly wrong :P

[Garry Irwin]

Quite so Zepheriah.
I'm not saying there is anything sinister going on here.
It's just my very limited understanding of how exactly the moon orbits the earth, the angles etc...
That's why I'm taking the time to research this for myself.
The answer is out there and I'll find it :-)
It's all very interesting...
regards

[Zepheriah]

:P Glad to be of help, anymore i can be just send me a message.

I wasn't trying to insinuate you were going down the sinister route though, just for the record :P

[Garry Irwin]

I'm sure no offence was intended and none taken either.
I would hope we are all here to help one another wherever we can :-)

[giovonni]

Since hearing that the moon is a hollowed out planetoid that's used to control human behaviour - well, it's just doesn't do it for me anymore.

that's good :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ6EGsZdxpE

[Zepheriah]

Exactly my thoughts upanatom :P

[HURRITT ENYETO]

i dont like the vibe of the moon its a controlling enity used for very negative beings.

The moon has had a dark reputation for millennia.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xscsuuKF6ZE

[Platinum]

Not directly related to the OP I know, but when looking at the moon, it can also help, to see it as it really is.

Click on the link below this shot to download the high quality, high resolution image, and study it in full size:

http://i.imgur.com/xpDOnl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xpDOn.jpg

The image I have is 4317x4506 pixels, but after spending literally the last two flipping hours trying to find somewhere to let me host the full resolution, the above image at 3022x3154 is the best I could do. :(

Don't know about you, but I see water, green land masses, and the entire surface appears to be covered in a think shield of ice (with land mass protruding in places).

So much for the "dark and relatively featureless lunar plains" we're led to believe we are seeing. ;)

"Craters" appear to be large indentations in this ice-shield, and in places there seems to be a similar effect as when you throw a rock onto an icy lake. That kind of 'smashing' effect which impacts the surface without fully breaking the ice.

I hope this image may be useful to anyone who has not seen it before. :)

[Ancient]

Also, and forgive me for forgetting the phrase, there is a scientific term for the percieved size of the moon. It relates to a theory that the moon itself does not change in size. Such a phenomena is impossible beyond accretion. Its a case of atmospheric conditions such as air pressure, density, temperature and humidity and of perspective relative to surrounding objects. If i can find the document i'll post it up here, i won't go into the depths of it incas ei get it horribly wrong :P

I believe the concept that you are searching for is Moon Illusion. It is an optical illusion in which the Moon appears larger near the horizon than it does while higher up in the sky. This optical illusion also occurs with the sun and star constellations. It has been known since ancient times, and recorded by numerous different cultures. The explanation of this illusion is still debated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_illusion

Cheers!

-Ancient :cool:

[Garry Irwin]

Platinum...
Fantastic photo you have there, thank you so much for posting :-)

Ancient...
I remember seeing Sir Patrick Moore explain the moon illusion on his Sky At Night program, but it was a long time ago. I think he used mirrors in his explanatory presentation.
I've looked to see if anyone posted on it You Tube, though it probably contravenes copyright laws... I couldn't find it.
His website didn't offer up anything either.
Thanks

[HURRITT ENYETO]

It's the remaining 1 thats the intersting bit. I'm a very factual person. It takes a lot for me to make a jump to the esoteric, i need to see quantifiable evidence. As stated above, the angle we see the moon at does differ to a certain degree, but its a simlpe matter of orbit, nothig sinister.

I too am a factual person but when the Moon has clearly changed position in the sky, to a degree never seen before in my and my parents lifetime i think something else is going on other than the usual 'Moon wander'

But if you are waiting for the 'official explanation' there is not a lot i can say :)
IMHO there is nothing esoteric about a massive object that has already been officially confirmed effecting our moon's behavior.

[rgray222]

Some of the best images I could find for the supermoon March 19, 2011. The moon is much more then we know about!


http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/335/cache/super-moon-largest-lisbon-portugal_33535_600x450.jpg

[CENTER]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-780MhNHf8nA/TYc2fCk5H3I/AAAAAAAADG4/sB6BYRiCUkc/s320/supermoonglastonbury_thumb.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-AyQ60qSfcVs/TYdUxfBK6hI/AAAAAAAADJE/utcqPdG7tlQ/s320/supermoon+9.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-FNQdiMYuqDk/TYc5vBsguAI/AAAAAAAADHQ/aeBs8yqR5L0/s320/supermoon+4.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FRg8mC1ofTc/TYdT62g4KZI/AAAAAAAADI4/0umuPHVhek8/s320/super+moon+10.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-mWIpIPCArhs/TYc56cMx2vI/AAAAAAAADHU/-cOeDD2aWS8/s320/t1larg_red_lunar_eclipse_gi.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-m4qJZ1nBHoM/TYc5OKpDWdI/AAAAAAAADHE/SvrMmmp8pfc/s320/moon1.jpg

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Some of the best images I could find for the supermoon March 19, 2011. The moon is much more then we know about!

There is no way the Moon is a natural satellite of the Earth.
IMHO i think the Moon was 'towed' or otherwise 'placed' in orbit to help create the perfect conditions for life on Earth/to calm the Volcanism maybe?
Who knows, but its not natural.

[Platinum]

Platinum...
Fantastic photo you have there, thank you so much for posting :-)

You're welcome. You have full resolution mail. ;)

If anyone else wants the full high res version, feel free to pm me.

[Zepheriah]

Also, and forgive me for forgetting the phrase, there is a scientific term for the percieved size of the moon. It relates to a theory that the moon itself does not change in size. Such a phenomena is impossible beyond accretion. Its a case of atmospheric conditions such as air pressure, density, temperature and humidity and of perspective relative to surrounding objects. If i can find the document i'll post it up here, i won't go into the depths of it incas ei get it horribly wrong :P

I believe the concept that you are searching for is Moon Illusion. It is an optical illusion in which the Moon appears larger near the horizon than it does while higher up in the sky. This optical illusion also occurs with the sun and star constellations. It has been known since ancient times, and recorded by numerous different cultures. The explanation of this illusion is still debated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_illusion

Cheers!

-Ancient :cool:

Thats the bugger thank you very much!