Oops! Transdimensional Door Opened

[3optic]

A close friend has been working on an occult themed project. She has very little experience in these things so she may have opened a door and is now hosting some negative entities in her home (I think she read a book on witchcraft). My understanding is that this commonly happens to researchers, or tourists.

I suggested she strengthen her auric field with yoga and play mantras. I don't know how this is handled in the occult world. My thinking is that is a slippery slope to delve deeply as it opens one up for psychic attacks. Am I misinformed? Anyone have suggestions?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Well as the saying goes " play with matches you can get burned " Practicing these things is for experienced practitioners because you can bring all sorts of things upon you. Even experienced Indian Shaman Medicine men have 4 guide masters creating protection fields in the corners of the room to prevent un wanted spirits entering without consent. What book is she playing with ? The Necronomicon ? Or other ?

[shadowstalker]

My niece seems to like to open Pandora's box when ever she is with her boyfriend and send and instead of putting it back she sends the entity our way, and I have to clean up there mess. Her mother is wiccan, but when she was teaching her children at a young age she never thought to teach them to make protective circles or what not and be sure not to let anything thru.

[Rocky_Shorz]

actually there are spirits wandering all over this world, and what she did was light up a beacon saying she wants to talk with all of them, most spirits aren't evil, but the ones that are can inflict harm on her.

sudden serious illnesses etc can be her reward...

ask her to say this one simple message...

in the name of the father son and holy spirit surround me with your light to guide those needing help...

it may sound strange, but have her say it and let you know how she feels afterward

if it makes her feel better, the symbols she used are spiritual, that is why she will understand what I am sharing, just step into the light...

[king anthony]

...she may have opened a door and is now hosting some negative entities...

Am I misinformed? Anyone have suggestions?

If this be fact then (in brief)...

...first treat it as a real event and do not dismiss it with 'feel good spiritual' nonsense and mysticism (opinion) - those things 'from the other side' are real (other species), from this time a place and not other dimensional...

...second, once the 'door is opened' the person is known, for 'life' - people may delude themselves in thinking other 'tricks of the mind' work; the reality is, it only comforts them during.

Depending who/what is 'on the other side' determines how 'it' needs to be handled - like cold sores, it will always be in the background unseen, surfacing when it does. I know for sure my words here will not win favor; however, that is not my objective.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well the simple words I share call angels to her side...

I watched a house being cleansed, pictures flying off the walls, windows and doors opening and slamming...

she had all the props, crystals, shamman relics...

she called to cast out demons...

more banging and slamming...

then she just asked for protection for all of us present and the house went silent, you could feel the air change...

it was over...

[Rocky_Shorz]

isn't it strange how easy it is to be convinced something evil is present and yet impossible for the same people to believe in good?

[3optic]

well the simple words I share call angels to her side...

I watched a house being cleansed, pictures flying off the walls, windows and doors opening and slamming...

she had all the props, crystals, shamman relics...

she called to cast out demons...

more banging and slamming...

then she just asked for protection for all of us present and the house went silent, you could feel the air change...

it was over...

Hi Rocky. Can you give me a context for this anecdote? Is this an experience you had in the past or..?
Thanks!

[Rocky_Shorz]

not many years ago I was invited along with some ghost hunters that were going to cleanse a house...

it blew me away...

but such a simple truth shone from the experience...

I solved close to 200 missing children cases, so understand more than most about spirits...

[linz2d]

Well it depends on the ritual, who she was trying to summon if any and was the ritual incomplete in some way. She may have well indeed opened a door way into another realm where an entity was summoned but the ritual may have been incomplete, either keeping the door open or closing the door with the entities still on this side. Traditionally summoning was a way to invoke a single entity into this dimension so that it could give counsel to the summoner then the entity would go back to its dimension. I will not classify these beings as negative because perhaps they do not want to be there and it is the fault of ignorance on your friends part that she in this position.

She must burn some incense or sage throughout her home, salt has also been used in many spiritual belief systems for cleansing. So perhaps she should bath herself in some salt water, a hot bath with with some kitchen salt should do... seemingly its also good for the skin. These are only temporally though to keep these entities away.

shadowstalker is right, most rituals should actually have two circles one for summoning the entity into, this is like a barrier as the entity cannot leave that space, the second circle is for the summoner to protect themselves against harm if anything goes wrong, My advice for your friend is to study the Occult to find a solution because she caused the problem and she will have to deal with it.

I am against summoning rituals only because I feel that you are forcing your will on other beings. In a way its a spiritual form of hacking. There are other ways to get in contact with such beings but this requires the individual to be at a certain stage in their spiritual development

[myrm]

This is detrimental to the health of your friend and others who visit if they are not properly tuned to LOVE and PROTECTED AURIC BOUNDARIES. So you might want to stay away and suggest your friend get a Chakra health book and lay down the witchcraft until she knows herself better. Also any spells, which intrude upon the sacred space, emotions, spirituality, mental health, physical health, or any infringement of another's free will is considered Black Magic.

[Rocky_Shorz]

salt works as a barrier but only until they decide to re-enter the premises, bamboo tubes wrapped together at the doorway will keep them from entering the doorway, but who said Spirits need a door?

all of it old witches tales...


there will never be a true Ying/Yang in this world because there is no equal to the light...

[shadowstalker]

I use to put up sea salt and crystals and of course requested protective guides.
The last time I did this, I did it to be on a safer side and did it out side my home, the C.O.P. lasted for well over a month, even thru wind rain.

[ulli]

Watching MIB again (Men in Black) might help...

the nerve of Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones is really inspiring
and can help to put one in the right frame of mind and supreme confidence,
and then of course calling for protection from high spirits...
or the God of your ancestors...

That should do it.

[Rocky_Shorz]

we've all heard these stories that are stranger than fiction...

the most painful hurt they leave is making someone do something they normally wouldn't...


Man Who Had Sex With Horse Released From Prison
Man Ordered To Stay Away From Stable

MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. -- A South Carolina man who twice pleaded guilty to having sex with a horse has been released from prison after 16 months and ordered to stay away from the stable where the animal lives.

full story (http://www.10news.com/news/27265114/detail.html)

[Rocky_Shorz]

so the question is if you knew this man needed an exorcism, would you give it to him right away, or would curiosity make you wait to see if he does it again?

that is the dilemma with his spirit guides...

not all of them are as nice as they should be... ;)

[DeDukshyn]

IMHO the effects are exactly the same as "voodoo" -- that is an idea or concept enters your own mind and you create or allow the effects of attack. The best way now to deal with it would be to embrace the experiences (easier said than done, I know), to try to understand that in the larger picture attack only happens when one expects it, tries to defend against it, or escape it. When you embrace it, you understand that these being are just being what they know themselves to be. Hurt beings, hurt beings. The truth is that we are untouchable, but we are powerful creators and when we fear, we create the results of those fears. A negative entity only needs to be itself to invoke fear in some - easy targets. Imagination is a key - they will use yours against you because that's what they can do. Love can easily nullify attack but it has to be rooted all the way down to the subconscious. I see this whole process as good - its an opening of the mind, the consciousness, an opputunity to relieve oneself of the subconscious fears that are promoting such attack. It might take a bit of work but overall, this is actually an oppurtunity for your friend to have an expanded consciousness. My opinion, take it for what it is worth to you ;)

[linz2d]

so the question is if you knew this man needed an exorcism, would you give it to him right away, or would curiosity make you wait to see if he does it again?

that is the dilemma with his spirit guides...

not all of them are as nice as they should be... ;)

Most guides do not interfere to a great extent in a person life if they did then we would not have rapists, murderers, drug addicts and thieves in society. We still have the free will to go against that intuitions which is saying "hmmm maybe you should not do that". We should never put the blame on anyone but our selves for our faults, it is not the guides who are living our lives, it is us.

Saying that though when that man gets back to the other side I am sure that his guide will have one or two words to say to say to him.

[Teakai]

My niece seems to like to open Pandora's box when ever she is with her boyfriend and send and instead of putting it back she sends the entity our way, and I have to clean up there mess. Her mother is wiccan, but when she was teaching her children at a young age she never thought to teach them to make protective circles or what not and be sure not to let anything thru.

:lol:
You'd think that would be one of the first lessons.

[Rocky_Shorz]

so the question is if you knew this man needed an exorcism, would you give it to him right away, or would curiosity make you wait to see if he does it again?

that is the dilemma with his spirit guides...

not all of them are as nice as they should be... ;)

Most guides do not interfere to a great extent in a person life if they did then we would not have rapists, murderers, drug addicts and thieves in society. We still have the free will to go against that intuitions which is saying "hmmm maybe you should not do that".
.

ahhh, so by not interfering, they are molding his spirit by giving the opportunity to make the right choice... That is a good way to think of it...

but after speaking with many guides I realized they are just ancestoral spirits and some can be pretty naughty...

ever see a woman screaming at a man and suddenly something drops on her foot? chair moves slightly and catches a toe...

I have had a chance to talk with many, what do you think it would be like having John Belushi for a spirit guide?

[str8thinker]

Although I'm not a Christian, I've read that calling on the name of Jesus Christ in this situation is usually enough to send these little buggers running for cover. Anyone found it helps?

[hedigoto]

Although I'm not a Christian, I've read that calling on the name of Jesus Christ in this situation is usually enough to send these little buggers running for cover. Anyone found it helps?

Yes it does, why don't you look for a catholic exorcist priest? you have nothing to loose, they do a very good job on those regards, no matter if you are catholic, christian, non beliver or what ever...they know what they are doing, I personally know father Antonio Fortea, he is an spanish exorcist, belive me he knows his job, its for real, you'd have to look for one near your friend's home.

Note: Exorcisms are not just to be practiced on people, they can be performed on places and even infested objects. I've read a couple of exorcist manuals.

[ghostrider]

burn some sage in the area you want clear, no ringing bells or wind chimes in or around the area, just simply tell them to go home, they are no longer welcome. any books, photos,and such with relation to this get them out of the home. this will help.

[slipknotted]

what can a person do when you need something good to happen i've tried everything i know which isnt much other than hoping and praying asking for giudence but to no avail ?

[dejavu]

I'm sorry I just don't understand why people would put themselves in such a vulnerable position dealing with the occult. I find it so very scary and will stay away at all costs, I'm sorry I have no advice for your friend except in future think before you delve into something you know nothing about
!

[Lifebringer]

That's why they say don't mess with the genie.

[linz2d]

so the question is if you knew this man needed an exorcism, would you give it to him right away, or would curiosity make you wait to see if he does it again?

that is the dilemma with his spirit guides...

not all of them are as nice as they should be... ;)

Most guides do not interfere to a great extent in a person life if they did then we would not have rapists, murderers, drug addicts and thieves in society. We still have the free will to go against that intuitions which is saying "hmmm maybe you should not do that".
.

ahhh, so by not interfering, they are molding his spirit by giving the opportunity to make the right choice... That is a good way to think of it...

but after speaking with many guides I realized they are just ancestoral spirits and some can be pretty naughty...

ever see a woman screaming at a man and suddenly something drops on her foot? chair moves slightly and catches a toe...

I have had a chance to talk with many, what do you think it would be like having John Belushi for a spirit guide?

Yes but there is a difference between ancestral spirits and guides. From my understanding rarely do guides ever have an influence on our material world and this belief that guides are always next to you, I find not to be true as they exist on a higher plane all together. Ancestral spirits on the other hand reside in another realm, probably the place we go to between reincarnations and they are able to interact with our world.

However an ancestral spirit/soul may be younger than your own soul as the only thing that an ancestral spirit signifies is that they were a soul that inhabited the body of your ancestor. But we must remember that a soul it not limited to a specific family line, one past life could have be in England and the next China. From my souls point of view this ancestral spirit is only some soul who inhabited my bodies ancestor. That is why you should always be cautious with such spirits because they may be stranger to you in the spiritual sense.

Its like some guy coming up to you and saying "Yeah I drove the 1950's model of that make of car" while you are driving the newest model. Just because that guy drove an earlier version does not mean that he is family.

I must admit its hard to explain and there are also souls we know as ghosts which have not moved on for certain reasons which can trick people into believing they are good spirits.

[crosby]

many years ago, my family and i played with a oujia board. through not knowing enough, we invited some unwanted pests. it took some time to get rid of them. moving doesn't work. they follow you. we tried throwing the board away. but it always returned. usually found it in the attic. then one night, i lit a fire in the fireplace and threw the board in there, big flames and a small explosion........things calmed down a lot after that. we sometimes have a creeping that comes about, but we're all so sick of paying attention too it, that it doesn't last for long. i don't think it was an evil entity, because i think that they hang around regardless and want to cause serious damage, maybe we had a lazy spectre.......i wouldn't be surprised.......there are lots of remedies out there. tell your friend to try each one. smudging is supposed to be a good start.
regards, corson

[str8thinker]

Hmm... maybe you need someone strong to protect you from these evil spirits...like Yoga Bear.


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[BMJ]

Hi 3optic,
This thread is relevent.
Link:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14614-Physical-possession-by-another-spirit

[Borden]

Stuart Wilde says lavender and chamomile flowers are good for warding off negative entities.

Borden

[3optic]

I'm sorry I just don't understand why people would put themselves in such a vulnerable position dealing with the occult. I find it so very scary and will stay away at all costs, I'm sorry I have no advice for your friend except in future think before you delve into something you know nothing about
!

Isn't the process of understanding, delving into things we know nothing about?

[Siberia9]

Well 3optic, delving into things we dont understand can ruin your life. Your friend has done enough, doing anything else could be worse. Tell her to hire the local tallent and do only what they tell her to do. If that doesnt work hire someone else. If your friend or any of us is going mess around with this kinda thing we need to study it with competent help. My feeling was always that magik spells etc were a violation of sorts, someone else here just called it a "hack" thats about right Id say. Just read the discription of the Goetia Spirits the Illuminati types dialog with, NO THANKS. Actually, dont read it, thats how the all this got started isnt it LOL. BTW it occures to me that its time we ALL had some help down here isnt it? For another thread I guess. We wish her well of course, please let us know what happens.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Although I'm not a Christian, I've read that calling on the name of Jesus Christ in this situation is usually enough to send these little buggers running for cover. Anyone found it helps?

In order to call upon something first you should believe in it i guess. I think requests to JC get put in an order .. you can immagine the amount of requests JC gets daily ! Id say in all fairness he would consider the faithful first and foremost proportional to their Karma. Then the rest .. perhaps the ones that do not deserve an answer never receive one ..

thats my take on how it may work.

N

[TimelessDimensions]

follow your heart and the ghouls never show up

[the_flyingboy]

hi 3optic i've sort of studying magic of all sorts even the necronomicon i even have the necronomicon book that comes out only once every 30yrs to complete the necronomicon series...what i suggest is tell your friend what book she was reading from and from then on try to identify what came in then you see how you deal with it different beings need different tactics not sure if its the right word to use,and tell your friend to get a book to enhance hers or his psychic first and aura i would suggest the one i have its called "THE PSYCHIC'S BIBLE" By Jane Struthers i would recommend for every one to have a book like this its very helpful.

[Rozzy]

A close friend has been working on an occult themed project. She has very little experience in these things so she may have opened a door and is now hosting some negative entities in her home (I think she read a book on witchcraft). My understanding is that this commonly happens to researchers, or tourists.

I suggested she strengthen her auric field with yoga and play mantras. I don't know how this is handled in the occult world. My thinking is that is a slippery slope to delve deeply as it opens one up for psychic attacks. Am I misinformed? Anyone have suggestions?

Dabbling in the occult is a prescription for trouble, being totally ignorant of it and entering the field is reckless beyond belief. Some folks say it is opening doors etc. I use the term "giving license to" things that you are not going to like. Some times people think they are in contact with benevolent spirits/beings but in the end the results are the same, the persons life winds up a shipwreck. Entering the world of the Occult or unseen realm totally ignorant means you now have a huge problem and do not know what to do about it. Judging by the advice that is usually given by most others they know as much as the person in need of help.
Common obvious physical traits for those involved in the occult are things like severe arthritis and over all physical depreciation. Flowers and salt and all the other remedies are fun in children's books but I would not want to have that as my defense. In the ether and space around us it is full of things that generally speaking most people are not aware of. These things are an influence in peoples lives whether they realize it or not, when some one begins to inquire into the unseen and unknown to them realm it gives license for the things that are there and emboldens them greatly to occupy you and your space. Depending on what you have conjured up will determine what you are in for, there is an antidote to all this of course, the first thing to do is recognize this is serious business and treat it that way. If you belong to The Lord you can invoke His name and any and all entities will recognize that Spirit in you and will back off, if you are not a Spirit filled christian then now would be a good time to call upon Him and find out if He is real or not. Many of the experienced and trained psychics go through a living hell at times even though they seem impressive in public they suffer many things and are really not in control of their situation.
Catholic exorcists and most religious practices are just a bunch of hokus pokus done by people who are no better off than the ones they are supposedly helping. Beyond that there are people who are familiar with the subject at hand and are a great help with or with out the churches blessing. With or with out someone else's help the individual can take control of the situation, if they earnestly and honestly call upon The Lord He will help them, they need to get a Bible and get to know it and never look back.
This person that is working on the occult project needs to proclaim Jesus Christ as their Lord and mean it, then go around their home and go into every room where they live and claim it in the Name of Jesus and then pray the blood of Christ over that room and clean that place out. Then go through the home and remove and throw out anything that can give license to any unsavory spirit to be there, Bhudas or any other idol, books, porn, dream catchers etc.
This may sound hoky to some but I have been through this stuff and experienced it with others, when it comes right down to the nitty gritty there are two sides of which we must choose one or the other, the serpentine spirit or Yahushuah (Jesus) and The Ruach Hakodesh (Divine Spirit).