Are Men Going the Way of the Dinosaur??

[slvrfx]

I had come across numerous scientific articles about this concern about 2 years ago.

Some species, already, are not giving birth to males.

"Over time, mistakes have crept into the Y chromosome, too. But every time a gene on the Y chromosome went bad, it basically disappeared. Scientists theorize that the X and Y chromosome started out with about the same amount of genes — about 1,000. Today, the Y chromosome has less than 80 genes."


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4225769


Read the article, unlike others this one offers some hope.

[Ahkenaten]

Some say that eventually the way it is going now the male chromosome will be phased out altogether. I am not joking about this, it is a serious theory that has been posited. I would be pretty sad about that. But on the other hand no doubt immaculate conceptions would increase worldwide fertilizing the religions - or binary fission would develop. I prefer binary fission although the crack down the middle would be annoying. But at least then people would feel they each had someone who could understand them totally!:pray: (i.e. "Hmmmmmm.......I bet I know JUST what you're thinking right now!!"):cool2:

[slvrfx]

I wonder if we as a species would become androgynous.

Think so?

(Maybe I'm not using the correct scientific term for having both male and female reproductive organs?)

[Ahkenaten]

Actually I think you are talking about a hermaphrodite;)

[slvrfx]

Actually, both are correct, according to dictionary.com-

an·drog·y·nous   
[an-droj-uh-nuhs]
–adjective
1.
being both male and female; hermaphroditic.
2.
having both masculine and feminine characteristics.
3.
having an ambiguous sexual identity.
4.
neither clearly masculine nor clearly feminine in appearance: the androgynous look of many rock stars.
5.
Botany . having staminate and pistillate flowers in the same inflorescence.

[king anthony]

Some species, already, are not giving birth to males.

One may wish to consider the introduction of 'elements' introduced into the environment and food supply as the cause'; as there is much scientific material on the subject. However, such notion is hard to accept for most, for reasons I have stated many times before in other threads. I say, should not the 'concern' be why the introduction is!?

[Ahkenaten]

hmmmmm I found the language "having staminate and pistillate flowers in the same efflorescence" to be quite interesting. One wonders that the flowers in the garden are not blushing!

I think the addition of hormones and chemicals are having a bad effect on males overall biologically. I do wonder if that is intentional on someone's part.

[slvrfx]

Very interesting thought Ahkenaten...I take things with a grain-of-salt, but I read how a very large percentage of young men (in their 20's even), have started using ED medication for their libidos.

Something's NOT right.

Just like you said, how contaminated our water supplies are by the use of all sorts of medications, which residue ends up in our water. Imagine just the contamination from birth control medications...and of course, hormones like BGH given to dairy cows to increase production.

Then how medications for high blood pressure also decrease the libido, and must be in our water in massive quantities.

As a species, we are so screwed.

And frankly, I don't see some drug-company's elitist owner forcing pills down anyone's throat.

We're doing it to ourselves, because we've 'bought the goods'.

[Ahkenaten]

hate to say it but it appears there is a plot against males.......sorry for bringing this up. But males as we know are very specialized animals, built for action so to speak. Males have their positives and negatives but overall they are, I think, a noble gender, feeling that they must protect their families and friends and willing to work hard and make any sacrifice to take care. On the other hand males are more vulnerable to various conditions and diseases because their bodies being built for action, do not have built-in protection against the ravages of stress. Especially stressful to males IMO is the ambiguous status today in society and the family. This role ambiguity is in my personal belief, a great killer of men. I believe that some of the unbelievable violence we see in so-called modern society is on some level a spontaneous emotional revolt of the male against the strictures and chains of his ambiguous role.....whenever you poke the balloon in, it pops out somewhere else in "unintended consequences."

Frankly I hadn't intended to open the whole (sorry for the unforgiveable metaphor here) pandora's box of the troubled modern battle of the sexes, but this is a gigantic subtext to our current social, spiritual and political problems. Whenever you go to one extreme (deliberately smashing the family structure and traditional social roles overnight as has been done here in the US) there are bound to be extreme consequences. I think that is one of the reasons US society is one of the most violent in the world. And the US is busy working to spread this mayhem elsewhere.

Sorry if I seem backwards I know this is not politically correct, and yet my views are consistent within my own value system.

I think this could possibly also explain why war is so appealing and difficult to eradicate. The question is: what to do with male energy? Fixing them or converting them into
eunuchs is not the answer.

The book the Mermaids and the Minotaur by Dorothy Dinnerstein is interesting in this regard.

[slvrfx]

hate to say it but it appears there is a plot against males.......sorry for bringing this up. But males as we know are very specialized animals, built for action so to speak. Males have their positives and negatives but overall they are, I think, a noble gender, feeling that they must protect their families and friends and willing to work hard and make any sacrifice to take care. On the other hand males are more vulnerable to various conditions and diseases because their bodies being built for action, do not have built-in protection against the ravages of stress. Especially stressful to males IMO is the ambiguous status today in society and the family. This role ambiguity is in my personal belief, a great killer of men. I believe that some of the unbelievable violence we see in so-called modern society is on some level a spontaneous emotional revolt of the male against the strictures and chains of his ambiguous role.....whenever you poke the balloon in, it pops out somewhere else in "unintended consequences."

Frankly I hadn't intended to open the whole (sorry for the unfogiveable metaphor here) pandora's box of the troubled modern battle of the sexes, but this is a gigantic subtext to our current social and political problems. Whenever you go to one extreme (deliberately smashing the family structure and traditional social roles overnight as has been done here in the US) there are bound to be extreme consequences. I think that is one of the reasons US society is one of the most violent in the world. And the US is busy working to spread this mayhem elsewhere.

Sorry if I seem backwards I know this is not politically correct, and yet my views are consistent within my own value system.

I agree with everything you've written.

From a sociological point of view, men are the victims, and sadly they never saw it coming.

Waking up one morning and your place in society has been uprooted.

Thank you for speaking your mind. It's important!

[pyriel]

if i was going to try to reduce the world's pop. I would remove the man's ability to get hard. If they cant get hard then no babies. simple.

[Ahkenaten]

You know that it has been said that the Rockefellers were behind some of the so-called advanced social movements in the US masquerading as women's rights..............and the purpose was to smash the family. Once you destroy the family structure you can have your way with the people. Our window into Japanese society in the recent catastrophies show the support and strength the family and community provide the people, helping them to maintain composure and respect for others in the midst of chaos. We do not have that here. This is by design.

I am not suggesting we role the clock backwards to some "neandrathal" existence....actually the neandrathals are lookng pretty civil lately. WE NEED TO GO FORWARD AND RESTORE MALES AND FEMALES TO HUMANITY AND RECONNECT WITH ONE ANOTHER.

(repeat mantra) WE ARE ALL ONE! (I know stop yelling.) I'll shut up now at last.

NO, Pyriel I disagree. We should not be removing male potency. We should be restoring a humane and truly male/female sense of what human sexuality is about, because both genders have forgotton that it is about procreation. Manly and Female self-restraint is required to control the population. Even animals do not breed in all seasons!!

[pyriel]

I never said that male anything should be removed. way to not understand and just spit words out. That post was answering several posts on why so many men where on viagra and junk like that.

[Ahkenaten]

I never said that male anything should be removed. way to not understand and just spit words out. That post was answering several posts on why so many men where on viagra and junk like that.

I understood you to say that men should be fixed so they don't work sexually, but perhaps I misunderstood!...........if that's what you meant I don' think that will help. Ask anyone about eunuchs and you will discover that rendering men "impotent" does not necessarily solve any problem, it only renders them incapable of reproducing.............and I would not recommend that approach as a birth-control device either!!

[TigaHawk]

Go sample a polar bear's blood. And the water they drink.

You will find high levels of female hormones in both.

Increase number of hormones tenfold the closer you get to civilisation.


Not only are young men getting nutered from birth with vaccines filled with Mercury, we're poisioning them with their food and their enviroment as they grow.

And we seem to expect no repercussions whatsoever from the destruction and pollution we inflict on ourselves, and our enviroment.


If we're to become androgonous - it's not by natural design. We've unwittingly pushed it in this direction.

[Lord Sidious]

I never said that male anything should be removed. way to not understand and just spit words out. That post was answering several posts on why so many men where on viagra and junk like that.

I understood you to say that men should be fixed so they don't work sexually, but perhaps I misunderstood!...........if that's what you meant I don' think that will help. Ask anyone about eunuchs and you will discover that rendering men "impotent" does not necessarily solve any problem, it only renders them incapable of reproducing.............and I would not recommend that approach as a birth-control device either!!

You understood wrong.
He was saying that IF he was in charge, the way to solve the issue would be x, not that it should be done.

[Ahkenaten]

hmmmm....well I guess he could do that himself. I sure wouldn't want people making that decision (hard vs. soft) for others...........bad enough that it is being done chemically and emotionally!! Sorry don't mean to offend.

[Ella]

hate to say it but it appears there is a plot against males.......sorry for bringing this up. But males as we know are very specialized animals, built for action so to speak. Males have their positives and negatives but overall they are, I think, a noble gender, feeling that they must protect their families and friends and willing to work hard and make any sacrifice to take care. On the other hand males are more vulnerable to various conditions and diseases because their bodies being built for action, do not have built-in protection against the ravages of stress. Especially stressful to males IMO is the ambiguous status today in society and the family. This role ambiguity is in my personal belief, a great killer of men. I believe that some of the unbelievable violence we see in so-called modern society is on some level a spontaneous emotional revolt of the male against the strictures and chains of his ambiguous role.....whenever you poke the balloon in, it pops out somewhere else in "unintended consequences."

Frankly I hadn't intended to open the whole (sorry for the unforgiveable metaphor here) pandora's box of the troubled modern battle of the sexes, but this is a gigantic subtext to our current social, spiritual and political problems. Whenever you go to one extreme (deliberately smashing the family structure and traditional social roles overnight as has been done here in the US) there are bound to be extreme consequences. I think that is one of the reasons US society is one of the most violent in the world. And the US is busy working to spread this mayhem elsewhere.

Sorry if I seem backwards I know this is not politically correct, and yet my views are consistent within my own value system.

I think this could possibly also explain why war is so appealing and difficult to eradicate. The question is: what to do with male energy? Fixing them or converting them into
eunuchs is not the answer.

The book the Mermaids and the Minotaur by Dorothy Dinnerstein is interesting in this regard.

I agree with this completely.

Here in Sweden there is such a strong movement for emphasising that men/women and boys/girls are the same, that I am pretty sure it is resulting in huge identity crisis'. The trouble is that good intentioned people make the mistake that this is about being equal (which of course we should strive for), without making the connection that to be equal we must recognise that we are not the same.

I only have my son as an example, in the beginning I tried very hard not to push 'typical boy things' onto him (I was falling into this we are all the same scenario), but it became very clear to me that my son is a 'typical' little boy. Its all about tractors, cars, mischief and a love for things that I might consider 'dangerous'. So through my son and my family scenario, all 'feministic' tendencies that I was leaning towards from a 'brainwashed' point of view, I have now irradicated, and now realise that this strong feministic movement seems to be an attack against the core family structure.

I was reading about a nursery here the other day, that had made a rule that they were not allowed to refer to children as 'him' or 'her', but it had to be gender neutral. This is CRAZY, surely these children are going to have serious identity issues when they grow up?

In short, I think that it is so obvious that there is a 'war' against males, from all possible angles, that I find it really annoying that people can not see what is happening. But I really believe the biggest threat at the moment is the political threat in the guise of extreme feminism and the whole breaking down the gender structures. Because this is where so many otherwise intelligent people fall into the trap. I have so many friends who are aware of chemicals in food, medications etc etc and try to keep their children and families away from that, BUT they are the ones who are falling for the whole 'boys and girls are the same' argument, without thinking what affects this will have on their kids in the future.

[aroundthetable]

Gulp............

[Davidallany]

That doesn't matter men, women, etc.. are just vessels of "the spirit entity", for a lack of a better term. Science fiction is filled with alien races that are neither males nor females but both in one.

[Davidallany]

if i was going to try to reduce the world's pop. I would remove the man's ability to get hard. If they cant get hard then no babies. simple.
There is another way. Discipline, diet and awakening will keep one in control, getting hard or not getting hard will mean nothing when that happens.

[Maria Stade]

We are living in a time when most things are not natural.
Women are not following their cycles that should follow the moon cycle.
Men are scared and by that a danger, to self and others.

Yes we are souls and the soul is feminin and maskulin energy, the astral body is both.

We incarnate in different bodys the body has only one gender.

The male body is more sensitive to sicknes and is weaker in many ways even tough it often has more and stronger mussels.

Men need strong female support, but today many find them selfs in no support and all the blame is put on the males.

No it is not that simple ! The system that has been designed is repressing the female from the beginning and that gives a weak female later some dose not ever become a woman (in their maturity ) How can a girl support a scared male ?? They cant !

Yes hormones and drugs and and miss use of power is the way to day.
The water and food and air is poisoned and most cant even grasp what is wrong with this picture.

The sexual power comes from the planet and all need to connect to her again to re-create balance.

No drugs, no sex toys (makes the body non sensitive ) no toxic food, no toxic water, learn to breath correctly !
Eat organic supplements to get in shape faster.

The problem is not the males - it is the system that create this, the programing must stop.

All are amazing as they are from the start, no need to adjust anyone to be something they are not.

Find your self and be your self !

Find truth ! YOUR TRUTH ! Only You have it !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_ALElMLpRA

Love

Maria

[The One]

Maybe with the different chemicals available today things will mutate quicker in my opinion it will still take time

Evolution is based upon a theory that at some point in time, billions of years ago, no life existed upon the earth, not even one trace of life could be found. But, somehow, a miracle occurred when just the right mixture of gases and acids mingled themselves together and microscopic organisms begin to develop. It was impossible, but it happened just the same. In a swamp somewhere on earth, it is conjectured that non-living matter gave birth to that which was alive. It sounds very romantic and has captured the interest of thousands, however there is just one major flaw in the whole scenario. The fundamental laws of science contradict this basic evolutionary premise. The fundamental law of biology is the Law of Biogenesis. This scientific law upholds that all life must come from preceding life, and that of its kind. Science teaches that life does not come from nonliving matter. Dr. Lazzaro Spallanzani and Louis Pasteur proved in the middle of the eighteenth century that the concept of “spontaneous generation” was indeed false. Dr. Pasteur in his “victory speech” to the French Academy of Science stated, “The theory of spontaneous generation will never recover from the mortal blow dealt it by this simple experiment.” The experiment of which he spoke proved the formerly held theory of spontaneous generation false.

THE GAP OF MISSING LINKS IN ANIMALS

Evolutionists propose that over the course of billions of years all life evolved from single cell organisms. They tell us that the whales, elephants, giraffes, hippopotamus, dinosaurs, mammoth elephants, rhinoceros and walrus were at one point little small creatures. They want us to believe their theory that small animals slowly mutated and change many, many times over billions of years. Their theory is that these mutated animals slowly increased in size until huge mammals and reptiles roamed the earth and all sizes of sea creatures developed in the oceans. Just thinking about that is an incredible, mind-boggling thought. There is one problem with which these evolutionists must cope—no evidence. If their theory is true then there ought to be literally millions of fossils that show thousands of transitional forms of all of these animals. There should be thousands upon thousands of bones that became fossilized during those billions of years which record the necks, legs and bodies of the giraffes slowly getting bigger and longer. There should also be plenty of fossil evidence showing the development of dinosaurs, horses, cows,alligators and all of the other animals known to man. However, there are none. Absolutely no transitional fossils exists to prove their theory.

I would say evidence happens to point convincingly toward the fact of creation and not evolution

Hopefully i wont be around to mutate


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[aroundthetable]

if i was going to try to reduce the world's pop. I would remove the man's ability to get hard. If they cant get hard then no babies. simple.

Ouch!!! Wouldn't it be better to remove womens ability to get wet? :rolleyes: After all, this could easily be reversed. For example with a handful of butter or suchlike.

[slvrfx]

When I was raising my 12 children- 7 daughters and 5 sons, I was 'prompted' to raise them as human beings, neither male nor female.

It wasn't my giving my sons dolls and my daughters trucks, and telling them to experience the other, for gender was never an issue one way or the other.

I stayed away completely from any stereotyping, and focused on letting each one of them develop in whatever way they chose.

I pointed out that each individual is unique in which talents and gifts they've brought with them, to this life, and to just go inwardly to discover their own.

(I home-taught them also, because I wanted them to be as far away from being clones as was possible.)

Another aspect, was that they all should tap into their strengths, and also their sensitive natures, and in so doing, years later when I first heard the word, androgynous, I knew I was nurturing both male and female aspects in them.

So now they are all grown, and they are so beautiful (that inner glow)- intelligent, creative, strong work ethics, sensitive.

My daughters are feminine but also strong and focused, my sons, are strong, but soft-spoken and tender.

I believe I was led to raise my children in a way that foresees the future.

[shijo]

if i was going to try to reduce the world's pop. I would remove the man's ability to get hard. If they cant get hard then no babies. simple.

hmm, god i hope your being either humourous or ironic or something, after that post i need the viagra.

[jjl]

if i was going to try to reduce the world's pop. I would remove the man's ability to get hard. If they cant get hard then no babies. simple.

ARRRGGGHH! Isn't there any other way??!!!?