Cult of Saturn

[bearcow]

OK after hearing/seeing jay weidner's work on 2001/cult of Saturn, i decided to do a little research myself.

http://www.communitas-saturni.de/GotosHome.jpg

This freaky guy was on the front page of this Saturn cult website

http://www.communitas-saturni.de/index.html

it triggered in my mind the original movie vampire, Nosferatu

http://www.moviezeal.com/wp-content/uploads/nosferatu1.jpg

For those of you who live in the USA, you might remember the TV show buck rogers, this guy was a space vampire that was trying to suck the life out of all the pretty girls in space.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6IDK_OzQUjA/TGNqbrqH5ZI/AAAAAAAACAo/Th-VHx0yTDc/s400/dorkferatu.jpg

I came across this site that some interesting posts by a member called eyecanblackstars

http://www.symbolicliving.com/forum/showthread.php/2763-Cult-of-Saturn.-Ordo-Saturni-Fraternitus.

I want to reference this particular quote by eyecanblackstars


"For instance I just started to think that we can develop our own Po or earthly spirits using sex magic, which normally would have to be selected from a field of ancestor spirits or dead animals, which is a burden. So by using Saturn magic you can develop new earthly ghost spirits to achieve faster evolution. "

For people who do not know what the po is, it is part of the astral body that regulates the animalistic functions of the human organism. IE breathing, hunger, sex drive etc. Addictions come about because the hunger of the Po becomes so strong that it overrides the higher functions of conscious mind and controls the behavior of the individual. If you want to label a part of your being/ego as being negative, this would be the place to start.

In the path i practice we are instructed to dissolve the po, if it is not dealt with at some point, it will be more of a detriment as its appetites interfere with the development of detachment and equanimity.

Now lets say you wanted to forever become part of the ruling class of this world. You would need to cut yourself off from the higher aspects of your being but still remain alive. You would need the Po to become so strong that it can live separately from the physical body and the higher self. Some of the things you can strengthen the po by ?

http://hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org/archives/eyeswideshut_redemption-thumb.jpg

Sex magic, ritual sacrifice

Master jiang spoke of black magicians in Malaysia practicing a form of vampirism on people that was a big problem there. Im not saying these people were Members of a Saturn cult, but the methods and aims are basically the same.

another quote from EyeCanBlackStars


All these represent things of ancestors. Ancestors want something and if they don't get it, they curse and hinder the individuals life. These ancestors are selfish, possessive, very skillful, yet not open to reason. These are ghosts, or jinns. They cause suffering, and damage our natural ability to enjoy life.

Everyone has a energetic connection to their ancestors, but those who are bred specifically in one genetic line, (IE inbreeding) have a stronger connection to their ancestors. Part of the reason the elite inbreed is that their ancestors have a easier time influencing their decision making processes. They can become slaves to the will of their fore bearers.

Another quote


Saturn is the basis for racism. Saturn limits our evolution. Earthly spirits do not want us to learn evolution because then they will not resonate well with our bodies and wont be able to control our lives to our detriment or other's detriment.


and another...


Sex magic using higher consciousness can create new lower consciousness beings and forms. Sex without higher consciousness leads to earthly spirits being invigorated through sacrifice(sacrifice of sex). Because these beings are under the realm of Saturn, (duties) (bodily processes) (earthly manifestation; which is the collaboration of countless entities and conscious forms) Saturn Sex Magic is the key to evolution. We do not need sex magic for evolution of higher bodies, but if our higher bodies cannot resonate on our bodies or brain enough to guide us, then our ancestor selfish ghost bodies will keep on ruining our lives and evolution.

This is a very dangerous path, i DO NOT recommend it

Gonna stop here, i hope people will start looking more into this.

[bearcow]

Albin Grau the creator of the movie Nosferatu was a member of the cult of saturn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albin_Grau

freaky world we live in

[ulli]

OK after hearing/seeing jay weidner's work on 2001/cult of Saturn, i decided to do a little research myself.

This is a very dangerous path, i DO NOT recommend it

Gonna stop here, i hope people will start looking more into this.

All Capricorns are Saturnians, as the sign has Saturn as it's ruler. Self-denying, restrictive, cynical, although fair and just, but not without a lot of finger wagging.
I just suffered a rather harsh Saturn transit, so I'm still resentful, and wishing to blast those Ringmakers into darkest space...
once we can stop them doing their mean job we might become free from oppression on our little blue pearl planet.
The only way I recommend to look into Saturn is with a powerful blow torch....:(

[FrankoL]

Very interesting I must say. I am waiting for more...

[3optic]

Been hearing a lot about the Saturn Cult and it's connections to NASA.

The Saturnalian Brotherhood or Saturnian Brotherhood or the Cult of Saturn.


The core of the control over Planet Earth's populace lies in ancient cults. These cults are still in existence to this day. Following the most ancient religions mixed with sexual worship. The main cults are the worship of the Planet Saturn (El), Moon (Isis), Venus (Lucifer) & Sun (Ra). Israel is located on the land formerly known as Canaan. Canaan was the most advanced post-deluvian civilization on Earth. Outstripping both Egypt and Sumer in all areas. Now the center of trade, holy land and soon the Divine Dragon's open 'Latin Kingdom.' When the Luciferian Vatican moves from Rome to Canaan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM0tk0CNUdE

Very dissonant soundtrack. You may want to adjust the volume.

Part I of the series (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tGfn0IEu)

(I personally think there's nothing inherently sinister about hexagrams or pentagrams btw!)

[3optic]

All Capricorns are Saturnians, as the sign has Saturn as it's ruler. Self-denying, restrictive, cynical, although fair and just, but not without a lot of finger wagging.


I resemble that remark :)

[ulli]

All Capricorns are Saturnians, as the sign has Saturn as it's ruler. Self-denying, restrictive, cynical, although fair and just, but not without a lot of finger wagging.


I resemble that remark :)

obviously, if you look anything like the drawing of your Avatar...Saturn archetype...bony, haggart, melancholic, sad, burdened by the weight of the world

another Saturnian character: Eeyore, the sad donkey in Winnie the Pooh

[3optic]

All Capricorns are Saturnians, as the sign has Saturn as it's ruler. Self-denying, restrictive, cynical, although fair and just, but not without a lot of finger wagging.


I resemble that remark :)

obviously, if you look anything like the drawing of your Avatar...Saturn archetype...bony, haggart, melancholic, sad, burned by the weight of the world

another Saturnian character: Eeyore, the sad donkey in Winnie the Pooh

Lol You may be getting carried away. It's just a funny drawing (Abe Lincoln clone in his incubator (http://www.youtube.com/user/3optic?feature=mhum))

I am a Capricorn but a relatively frivolous one.

[ulli]

All Capricorns are Saturnians, as the sign has Saturn as it's ruler. Self-denying, restrictive, cynical, although fair and just, but not without a lot of finger wagging.


I resemble that remark :)

obviously, if you look anything like the drawing of your Avatar...Saturn archetype...bony, haggart, melancholic, sad, burned by the weight of the world

another Saturnian character: Eeyore, the sad donkey in Winnie the Pooh

Lol You may be getting carried away. It's just a funny drawing (Abe Lincoln clone in his incubator (http://www.youtube.com/user/3optic?feature=mhum))

I am a Capricorn but a relatively frivolous one.

so was Humphrey Bogart, apparently...
the laughter is hidden within...

[Kano]

Think the Red Hot Chili Peppers don't know anything about this? Or maybe it's just Anthony Kedis. Either way, I would say that the lyrics to the song "Blood Sugar Sex Magik" are way deeper in meaning than given credit for.

Check it out:

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/r/red+hot+chili+peppers/blood+sugar+sex+magik_20114702.html

[modwiz]

Been hearing a lot about the Saturn Cult and it's connections to NASA.

The Saturnalian Brotherhood or Saturnian Brotherhood or the Cult of Saturn.


The core of the control over Planet Earth's populace lies in ancient cults. These cults are still in existence to this day. Following the most ancient religions mixed with sexual worship. The main cults are the worship of the Planet Saturn (El), Moon (Isis), Venus (Lucifer) & Sun (Ra). Israel is located on the land formerly known as Canaan. Canaan was the most advanced post-deluvian civilization on Earth. Outstripping both Egypt and Sumer in all areas. Now the center of trade, holy land and soon the Divine Dragon's open 'Latin Kingdom.' When the Luciferian Vatican moves from Rome to Canaan.


(I personally think there's nothing inherently sinister about hexagrams or pentagrams btw!)

I guess I have different criteria for what exemplifies an advanced civilization. What still remains above the sands in Egypt and much of what has been found below the sands in Mesopotamia, (Sumer) is certainly awe inspiring. Perhaps I missed something about Canaan.

I will agree that the Conquest of Canaan may be one of the bloodiest when it comes to innocent women and children but, El is a particularly sanguine god.

Saturn and the Grim Reaper are associated.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

A lot more info on The cult of Saturn here.
Jay Weidner, Kubricks odyssey and the brotherhood of Saturn. *very interesting IMHO*

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/03/RIR-110306.php

[TimelessDimensions]

Wearing a wedding ring is a tradition that stems from the cult of Saturn,

worshiping the rings around Saturn.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

While I cannot say whether this cult exists and is real or not ~ I can say that it represents a great insult to the honor which is due upon Saturn in the Council of Worlds and other high celestial organizations in universes you seem to remember nothing of ~ at this point in time or out of it. There is the very real planet, Saturn, and it represents a very real personage, Saturn, who is as far from evil as it is possible to get ~ and who is highly advanced and benevolent in the Milky Way Galaxy not to mention beloved. Please comprehend that in duality ~ these sort of dark agencies or cults as mentioned here ~ had a role to play and were necessary to define the light itself ~ and we leave all this duality and "evil" behind ~ as we ascend with the Earth ~ and thank the dear lord for that blessing which is upon us now. The very name of Saturn should be joyous ~ as if he were a beloved Grandfather of Earth and all beings upon her ~ because that is exactly who he is and should be respected for things you've forgotten in past eons. Ask for remembrance and it will come to you and be delivered to you by your own higher power. Ask and it is given...now.

This cult has no value or meaning as we've moved past duality whether you have realized it yet or not. If you pay attention to the measurable pole shifts that are continuing to happen whether large or small ~ it has taken us out of duality and placed us in a mono polarity world. A great relief we can feel within our own light bodies and we should appreciate it as the great progress it is ~ if we can allow the reality of this shift to be realized and acknowledged within our new and improved heart centers. And so it is... Namaste! xoxox

Note: After watching some of these videos ~ it is even more disgusting to see all that can be made out of lies in the whole cloth! 666 for instance is going from carbon based bodies to crystalline or light bodies ~ to scare the innocents. Gosh. Anything can be made up like this and is simply not true. Here is the real deal:

Your consciousness embodies the whole of infinity and everything of infinity. And what is consciousness? SPIRIT ONLY. There is nothing but Spirit, therefore everything everywhere is 100% Spirit DESPITE all conceptual (material, physical) form it may take on. Forget form, it is an illusion, a mirage, of the 'human' senses, that is all. Just forget it. Withdraw interest, effort and desire from form. Be Truth, be Spirit. Know that your infinity of Spirit, Truth, Self, is right here where YOU are, because it IS YOU... Consciousness Itself BEING your conscious self.


Paul F. Gorman, Lyndum House, 12 High Street, Petersfield, Hampshire GU32 3JG, United Kingdom

[DNA]

Now lets say you wanted to forever become part of the ruling class of this world. You would need to cut yourself off from the higher aspects of your being but still remain alive. You would need the Po to become so strong that it can live separately from the physical body and the higher self. Some of the things you can strengthen the po by ?
Sex magic, ritual sacrifice
Master jiang spoke of black magicians in Malaysia practicing a form of vampirism on people that was a big problem there. Im not saying these people were Members of a Saturn cult, but the methods and aims are basically the same.


You know, I see a reacurring theme when the Illuminati types are discussed, and that is sex abuse and pedophilia.
What the hell is up with that?
Is the practice to destroy the natural energetic protections of the child,,,thus making them an easier convert later on.
Or is it psychic vampirism and higher energy field destruction of the perpatrater to become ruled by this PO you speak of?



Albin Grau the creator of the movie Nosferatu was a member of the cult of saturn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albin_Grau
freaky world we live in

So what other corralatives are there with this saturn cult? I mean, I'm pretty hip and I've never heard of it. Is it related to this whole cult of care thing that Alex Jones ran across in the Bohemian Grove?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5dHhvpHIjM&feature=related

If you doubt that the elite are really at this meeting check out David Gergans response when asked about it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8oXGqgwffY

[Steven]

http://www.communitas-saturni.de/GotosHome.jpg

This is the founder of the Saturngnosis, Gregor A. Gregorius, alias Eugen Grosche. Another follower of A. Crowley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brotherhood_of_Saturn

Here is a website to sell all sorts of magical toys based on his creation: http://www.hscti.com/Gregor_A_Gregorius.htm

In my view, a whole bunch of knowledge, true and false, used for the glorification of the leader, without any regards for the Great Spirit. The path leading right to perdition, sadness and fear.

Namaste, Steven

[RedeZra]

the cult of Saturn is an ancient service to Satan and the fallen angels complete with human sacrifice and sex magick

the Great spirit destroyed this cult in Caanan but it's still alive






Behold Sodom and Gomorrah


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[Darla Ken Pearce]

Please. I ask that you do not discuss "sex abuse and pedophilia" under the topic of the Cult of Saturn. This would be a terrible mistake and is definitely off-topic. Saturn is a personage and an honored being who should be thought of as the Grandfather of the Milky Way Galaxy. He and the planet as well, have nothing whatsoever to do with sex abuse and pedophilia. These are all well-worn 3D paradigm that is no longer useful and hold us back from the truth of our origins.

It is a misconception of all things Saturn. I'm just saying you need to be careful about how you attach your 3D constructs on subjects you've forgotten. Saturn is the honored place where all the Councils of Worlds congregate and make decisions that effect the entire Creation. As such, these negative attributes do not apply.

It's a choice and open to your own interpretation. If you wish to know more, ask your own angels and guides about this matter of Saturn. Ask and it is given.

Much love! xoxoxox

[DNA]

Please. I ask that you do not discuss "sex abuse and pedophilia" under the topic of the Cult of Saturn. This would be a terrible mistake and is definitely off-topic. Saturn is a personage and an honored being who should be thought of as the Grandfather of the Milky Way Galaxy. He and the planet as well, have nothing whatsoever to do with sex abuse and pedophilia. These are all well-worn 3D paradigm that is no longer useful and hold us back from the truth of our origins.

It is a misconception of all things Saturn. I'm just saying you need to be careful about how you attach your 3D constructs on subjects you've forgotten. Saturn is the honored place where all the Councils of Worlds congregate and make decisions that effect the entire Creation. As such, these negative attributes do not apply.

It's a choice and open to your own interpretation. If you wish to know more, ask your own angels and guides about this matter of Saturn. Ask and it is given.

Much love! xoxoxox


Good ol papa saturn. I can't understand how he ever became the patron saint of sex abuse and pedophilia?
Does anyone have an idea?

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Mythology/RM/SaturnRubens.jpg

http://madsilence.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/saturn-devouring-his-son1.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_k7ljI6jrXKY/S7y68Mjq4BI/AAAAAAAAAF0/i39FDR0W83c/s1600/saturn1.jpg


Saturn you old rascally rabbit. Silly ol Saturn. Eating your children.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Well, I got to kiss his forehead on May 10, 2009 Mother's Day Night and I consider him to be my Grandfather, Saturn.

He was in a meeting as I've mentioned and I only got a few moments when he came out to see me ~ to do this before he had to go inside the Council and I was required back on Earth. One of the things I said to him was this: "Grandfather, you are still getting a bad rap on Earth as the God of the old Testament." I have no idea where that joke came from but I remember that it was important to me that I say it. You know it was great for a good laugh to him.

This wasn't a dream but it's not really important whether anyone believes it or not. I'd just like to ask that he be respected. I can tell you he is honored and dearly loved throughout all worlds whether we can remember him or not at this point in time.

[DNA]

Well, I got to kiss his forehead on May 10, 2009 Mother's Day Night and I consider him to be my Grandfather, Saturn.

He was in a meeting as I've mentioned and I only got a few moments when he came out to see me ~ to do this before he had to go inside the Council and I was required back on Earth. One of the things I said to him was this: "Grandfather, you are still getting a bad rap on Earth as the God of the old Testament." I have no idea where that joke came from but I remember that it was important to me that I say it. You know it was great for a good laugh to him.

This wasn't a dream but it's not really important whether anyone believes it or not. I'd just like to ask that he be respected. I can tell you he is honored and dearly loved throughout all worlds whether we can remember him or not at this point in time.


Personal validation is just that, personal.
If I was talking to ancients gods spawned from before the creation of the universe, I think the last thing I would be tryiing to do is comfort their ego.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

No validation required. I have no idea of what you are talking about. Spawned? Ridicule? You may take it however you choose. I do believe you need to show a little respect and that is what I am asking for here. It's a small thing until you remember who you are...

Postscript: I just noticed that you have begun to refer to Saturn as my God. What I've said is that he is my Grandfather and may just possible be yours but I don't know that about you.

Many Starseeds are here from all the other planets as well. So, I cannot know about you at all. Nor do I claim to know. You, perhaps, have some other God or not. This is not anything I know. My experience and knowledge is what I have shared with you on this forum and many others.

I am saying that if you leave all the labels and 3D constructs and rise above the 3rd and 4th dimensions, there is none of this nonsense. It is a creation made using duality principles and they don't hold up in the other higher dimensions.

I so look forward to getting out of duality and these old label systems that means nothing. You can cling to it ~ it's another choice. Once your fully realize this and bring it into your own consciousness, you are out of it and can find your way clear ahead. This was the actual goal of coming to Earth in the first place. To experience it's contrasts and move back into the light. Take your time, we are infinite! Again, it's a choice. Your choice. You are the Captain of your own ship, your own Star, and so forth eventually we may become Planets, Suns and other beautiful things in the universes ~ this is how things work and evolve.

Understand that your belief system is not my deal. Not my choice. I can barely run my own life and at present, I have kittens doing relays over my body while I sleep. It's all I can do if I manage to empty all the litter boxes.

Saturn is my grandfather, this is who I know him as ~ and I was able to see him briefly not all that long ago. I am not a scientist. I have no credentials except a most loving heart which I inherited and those other attributes naturally inherited from our parentage. Further, my Father, call him what you may is Jupiter, he was my escort to Saturn during this Council meeting. I am so loving all of the Milky Way Galaxy, all of us are interrelated and connected in ways you can't imagine yet and I watch our Sun activity with the greatest interest!

These are the most loving line of parentage one could possibly hope or dream of and I am asking that you show a little respect. You have forgotten. I have remembered ~ it's a small step that could change in one instant as it did in my own experience. Remembrance comes when you are ready to receive it.

All of these topics like the "Cult of Saturn" is 3D baloney hold the mustard please. Anything secret, using initiate mentality, dark constructs, and dark activities serve no good thing except to provide a contrast and this is of very limited value at this point in Earth's evolution. Been there, done that, lingered for 13 million years. Moving forward now back into the light. 3D constructs thankfully completely leave us ~ once you are able to dig your heart, spirit, and mind out of the limitations of 3D and dualistic thinking.

Until that time arrives, please i ask you ~ kindly be respectful of those who might also be related to you, as well. Kindness and a loving heart cost you nothing. Now I don't remember the fine details concerning your part.

What I do know and what I can talk freely about is this: I believe these personages to be the loving Father/Grandfather equation for all who dwell on Earth at this time. They spoke to me of sharing love and teaching their children how to love and trust again. It is not my province to make judgements about your relationships with those who under 3D constricts you may not be able to remember yet.

I am not initiating anyone, I am not doing anything really except what I was asked kindly to do and that is to bring back, insofar as possible, love so that it is restored on Earth. I am currently just an old lady of 67 years, this means nothing in Celestial time as we are infinite creations of a most loving Father. These events occurred when I was 65 years old. I have seven children, many grandchildren and great-grandchildren and I am manifesting kittens like crazy. Yet it seems as if no time had ever passed since last I was with them in other higher realms. It's possible we've been locked in a 13 million year cycle. Thank goodness for some forgetfulness about linear time. What a long time! Not a second seemed to have passed since last I was with them. Not one second!

Teaching how to love again? I do this in small and large ways and in whatever ways I can see clearly to do. It's another very small task and request but I do take it seriously and spend incredible amounts of time using my silver trumpet, a Mac Air computer, spreading love wherever I roam online or off. At night we all usually go to Starships and spend part of the night in Ethereal realms and I am talking about you, too. Although you may not remember this part clearly.

I ask simply that you stop spreading the darkness that is here in this link. It's not kind. You may have forgotten who you are but this doesn't mean loving personages aren't always watching and caring about you. Some of them are also PLANETS ~ I know they are ~ if you ask them, you can know this, too.

And so it is....

[DNA]

No validation required. I have no idea of what you are talking about. Spawned? Ridicule? You may take it however you choose. I do believe you need to show a little respect and that is what I am asking for here. It's a small thing until you remember who you are...

I'm simply disagreeing with you.
You are the one who quoted me, asking that this and other statements no longer be discussed because they offended your god.
I'm not showing you any less respect than I would to an ecclesiasatical christian who came to preach a sermon to me about Jesus seeking converts.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

I am not preaching a sermon. I am not trying to round up converts to anything whatsoever. I am simply asking for some respect in these matters of which you seem to have no memory but soon will. Let us let this go at that. I have no belief system only these personal experiences. I need no validation as the experience was all I will ever need in that regard. I am not leading anyone nor do I have a desire to do so. Some might find what I have shared of value. If they don't it's not a problem. Respect is all I ask for and not for myself but for Saturn.

I once again, I do ask that you consider giving some respect in these matters you clearly have forgotten. As the Solar Winds blow you will remember.

[Solphilos]

This is a very dangerous path, i DO NOT recommend it

Gonna stop here, i hope people will start looking more into this.

By what authority do you feel entitled to make such a recommendation? Are you an adept of said order? If not, everything you assume on the subject is false.

Since the very beginning of the ancient mystery schools outsiders have attempted to interpret and analyze esoteric knowledge that has always been reserved for initiates only, a fruitless endeavor indeed.
To the uninitiated there can be no understanding of such mysteries; it is not meant for them. When sacred knowledge trickles into earshot of the common man, these sorts of wild assumptions run rampant and often present dangerous consequences. This is the prime reason for secrecy in occult fraternities and why pearls should not be cast before swine. Knowledge is dangerous in the possession of those who have no capacity for understanding.

[RedeZra]

When sacred knowledge trickles into earshot of the common man, these sorts of wild assumptions run rampant and often present dangerous consequences.

it's nothing sacred about secrecy... it's repugnant ; )

[bearcow]

By what authority do you feel entitled to make such a recommendation? Are you an adept of said order? If not, everything you assume on the subject is false.

i have been privy to hidden techniques of Taoist traditions and can tell you from experience that the use of sex magic to strengthen the corporal soul exclusively is a black path. It binds the spirit to matter and the lower realms of the astral. sex magic can be used in other ways however, that can refine the more altruistic functions of the self. the guiding principles are the same in every tradition. The laws of nature are the same for a taoist, buddhist, satanist or christian. The terminology and motives are the things that differ.

[Solphilos]

When sacred knowledge trickles into earshot of the common man, these sorts of wild assumptions run rampant and often present dangerous consequences.

it's nothing sacred about secrecy... it's repugnant ; )


It is only repugnant to those who cannot see. Secrecy is necessary for weeding out the profane and allowing the worthy to progress in their own evolution unimpeded. The inner court of the mysteries is ideally a hermetically sealed womb (or tomb) in which the Great Work can be accomplished through Alchemical means. Alchemy is the natural process of perfection to which all things strive, and there are specific formula that must be followed in order for the Work to be a success.
The systematic revealing of knowledge to the initiate is part of this process, and has nothing to do with greed or the possession of some ultimate secret by the few for the control of the many. Still, this does occur, as Elitism is a natural result of diversity; when some choose to evolve and some choose to remain fixed, the higher being becomes truly superior in every sense of the word, and as such assumes the natural responsibility and position of leadership.

[Solphilos]

By what authority do you feel entitled to make such a recommendation? Are you an adept of said order? If not, everything you assume on the subject is false.

i have been privy to hidden techniques of Taoist traditions and can tell you from experience that the use of sex magic to strengthen the corporal soul exclusively is a black path. It binds the spirit to matter and the lower realms of the astral. sex magic can be used in other ways however, that can refine the more altruistic functions of the self. the guiding principles are the same in every tradition. The laws of nature are the same for a taoist, buddhist, satanist or christian. The terminology and motives are the things that differ.

I think the confusion here lies in the mistaken assumption the the Black, or Left-hand path is somehow wrong or inferior to the Right-hand path. We find ourselves in a world of polarities, and everything that we know has an opposite. There are always two sides to everything that we can perceive, and both sides are always equal, while being different.
Some choose to ascend back to the Godhead and submit there individualized soul into oblivion for a chance at union with the divine. Some are not ready to take this route, and instead wish to further evolve as an individualized being, to further expand and spiral out, while knowing that they can always choose to ascend back to source at anytime they wish. Neither of these paths are an ideal, except at the individual level, and whichever a person decides to take is valid, so long as it is their true Will.

[bearcow]

I think the confusion here lies in the mistaken assumption the the Black, or Left-hand path is somehow wrong or inferior to the Right-hand path. We find ourselves in a world of polarities, and everything that we know has an opposite. There are always two sides to everything that we can perceive, and both sides are always equal, while being different.
Some choose to ascend back to the Godhead and submit there individualized soul into oblivion for a chance at union with the divine. Some are not ready to take this route, and instead wish to further evolve as an individualized being, to further expand and spiral out, while knowing that they can always choose to ascend back to source at anytime they wish. Neither of these paths are an ideal, except at the individual level, and whichever a person decides to take is valid, so long as it is their true Will.


fair enough, the scales must be balanced, everyone can choose which path they wish to take.

[RedeZra]

Secrecy is necessary for weeding out the profane and allowing the worthy to progress in their own evolution unimpeded.



Secrecy is necessary for weeding out the worthy and allowing the profane to regress in their own dissolution unimpeded ; )

fine... but as they are recruited to positions of leadership

they will drag humanity down the drain with them

not so fine

[DNA]

When sacred knowledge trickles into earshot of the common man, these sorts of wild assumptions run rampant and often present dangerous consequences.
it's nothing sacred about secrecy... it's repugnant ; )
It is only repugnant to those who cannot see. Secrecy is necessary for weeding out the profane and allowing the worthy to progress in their own evolution unimpeded. The inner court of the mysteries is ideally a hermetically sealed womb (or tomb) in which the Great Work can be accomplished through Alchemical means. Alchemy is the natural process of perfection to which all things strive, and there are specific formula that must be followed in order for the Work to be a success.
The systematic revealing of knowledge to the initiate is part of this process, and has nothing to do with greed or the possession of some ultimate secret by the few for the control of the many. Still, this does occur, as Elitism is a natural result of diversity; when some choose to evolve and some choose to remain fixed, the higher being becomes truly superior in every sense of the word, and as such assumes the natural responsibility and position of leadership.

Hi Solphilos
We may be talking about two different things. But, I'm pretty sure, (and correct me if I'm wrong) what BearCow is referring to is the Bohemain Grove type stuff where it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt as far as I am concerned that sex abuse, pedophilia and worse are going on at the highest level.

Are all orders of secret knowledge pedophiles and sex abusers,,,,,probably not,,,,but,,,,I think this serves as a warning to would be initiates to try and understand what the hell your getting into.


Two female authors who talk of such depravity are Brice Taylor author of "Thanks for the memories" (1999)
and Cathy O'Brien author of "Trance -Formation of America".

Then there are the Arizona Wilder accusations.


And then there is in my opinion,,,,,,,the grand daddy of them all,,,,,,"THE FRANKLIN COVER-UP" (http://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Cover-Up-Satanism-Murder-Nebraska/dp/0963215809) By John W. DeCamp

This book has much more verifiable sources in my opinion,,,,and tells a tale that is much easier to follow documented occurances.

Here is the book teaser.


THE FRANKLIN COVER-UP
This book, authored by a former Republican Nebraska State Senator, exposes the elite web of crime, satanic cults, and child sexual abuse that reaches through the highest levels of power in our society. The organized cover-up and suppression of the events and victims' accounts is well documented, as is the author's role as attorney in the investigations and court cases. It's interesting that former CIA director Bill Colby ambiguously acknowledged to the author that the scenario described is real, and not long thereafter Colby turned up dead under suspicious circumstances. This is a good book to recommend for those in denial about the depravity and deviousness of those with power and influence in our society. The only significant weakness about the book is that it does not go into much discussion of the larger context of elite cults and organized conspiratorial activity, instead just focusing on a small portion of this activity.



Here is an excellent read at Alex Jones website about the Franklin cover up. http://www.infowars.com/articles/wor...d_sex_ring.htm (http://www.infowars.com/articles/world/tom_flocco_arrested_tied_to_wh_child_sex_ring.htm)

[norman]

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Peter Mark Adams | Game of Saturn: The Sola-Busca Tarot, Bloodlines, & The Demiurge Deal (https://podbay.fm/p/the-higherside-chats/e/1719836570)
2 hour 2 minutes - Posted Jul 1, 2024 [first published Oct 2017]

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Original show notes, Oct 2017:

Join host, Greg Carlwood, of The Higherside Chats as he talks the Sola-Busca Tarocchi, elite bloodlines, magic, and deals with the Demiurge with guest, Peter Mark Adams.

For centuries, stories and rumors involving the elite’s use of ritual magic have been swirling. From a fascination with occult arts and securing power through magic, to preserving bloodlines with selective breeding and reptilian origins, each new wave of hearsay can make it feel like we are drowning in the conspirasea.
And, with only small bread crumbs and strange symbolism left to analyze, we are understandably left with the nagging notion that things are not exactly as they seem.

Fortunately one of those breadcrumbs has broken free of it’s closely guarded exclusive chain of custody to find itself on display in Milan. This aristocratic, Renaissance heirloom, dubbed the Sola Busca Tarocchi, contains aspects of some of conspiracy’s darkest claims and acts as an elite grimoire illuminating the Cult of Saturn.

But, today’s guest, Peter Mark Adams, an esoteric scholar of the Sola Busca Tarocchi and occult symbolism decoder, joins The Higherside to shed some light on this deeply encoded tarot deck of unknown origins that was carefully crafted and engraved onto metal plates during the late 15th century and depicts some of the most heinous rumored rituals of the elite.

2:30 Diving in head first, Greg and Peter begin the monumental task of unpacking this ancient occult relic. An elaborately illustrated antiquity that shares the basic structure of a tarot deck, the Tarocchi is heavily coded and shrouded in symbolism. Adams details the imagery of the deck and the historical significance of it’s quality, contents and lack of provenance.

10:42 Greg and Peter provide some historical context surrounding the belief and practice of magic during the Renaissance in Italy when the Tarocchi was assembled. They also discuss the influences and global perspectives found in the deck, including it’s cosmology, metaphysics and ritual use.

22:00 Greg and Peter examine aspects of Gnosticism within the deck. They also discuss the pervasiveness of Saturn throughout the deck and how the creator displayed their wide array of knowledge about theology, mythology, and cosmology.

33:30 Greg and Peter discuss the importance of the d’Este family, their global influence and world view, as well as their influence in this deck. Adams gives his take on curious gaps in the deck’s chain of custody.

44:45 Continuing to follow up with the lineage of the cards, Greg and Peter discuss their current location on display in Milan and the path to get there. They also examine the continuity of elite power and their long held occult beliefs as well as Plato’s philosophical impact.

55:00 Peter continues discussing the impact of different theologies, and offers insight from his experiences as an energy healer.

– the Trump cards and why they point to Northern Africa
– the mysteries of the suit cards
– the deck’s codes and levels of encryption
– the science of the homunculus
– Demonic fellatio
– the details of the card refereeing human sacrifice
– Troy, realm of the serpent-born
– the court cards and the emphasis on half-reptilian origins for certain elite bloodlines
– how to tell if you were pledged to a dark entity in a previous life
– the elite of the elite pledging large groups of people to demons in mass ritual
– dragons
– the importance of positive polarity

A few valuable resources from the interview:

– Peter Mark Adams on Runesoup: https://runesoup.com/2017/04/talking-the-game-of-saturn-with-peter-mark-adams/

– Michael Psellus’ recovered Chaldean Oracles- Text, Translation and Commentary: https://books.google.com/books?id=Ow0VAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=michael+psellus+chaldean+oracles&source=bl&ots=4_Y0C7ilod&sig=7YDPmym52xeMMf82ueIjsdicPj8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjliYL68pbXAhVRImMKHXQVCKQQ6AEIVzAH#v=onepage&q=michael%20psellus%20chaldean%20oracles&f=false

– “In Darkness and Secrecy” by Whitehead and Wright: https://www.amazon.com/Darkness-Secrecy-Anthropology-Witchcraft-Amazonia/dp/0822333457

- Plato’s ” The First Alcibiades”: https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/p/plato/p71al/

– “History of Sola Busca Tarot”: https://solabuscatarot1998mayer.wordpress.com/history-of-sola-busca-tarot-2/
Want more Peter Mark Adams?

Check out his book “The Game of Saturn” published by Scarlet Imprint:
https://scarletimprint.com/2016/09/forthcoming-the-game-of-saturn/
His website:
http://www.petermarkadams.com/
Find him on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/petermarkadams?lang=en
Or Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/petermarkadams

[Merlinus]

Jupiter is high, Saturn is low. The lion, vs the bear. The false God vs the false Christ.

[shaberon]

Sola Busca (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_Busca_tarot) is not particularly ancient in terms of Tarot; it is the oldest known version of the modern format. It "broke free":


In 2009, the deck was purchased for €800,000 by the Italian Ministry of Cultural Heritage and Activities and delivered to the Brera Museum.


There are really two reasons to focus it:



He also supposed that the deck was created for a Venetian client by Mattia Serrati da Cosandola, a miniaturist operating in Ferrara (the center of Tarot card production at the time). In fact, many inscriptions on the cards refer without any doubt to the Republic of Venice.


It's Venetian. It would be fair to say these Venetians were "obsessed with ritual magic", and, this is what The Golden Dawn copied. Note that everything in this package is their own ideas. The Golden Dawn can't even accurately locate Regulus. So although this may be drawn from common mythological symbols, it is intellectual dust.

The thing openly confesses:


The key figure is the King of Swords, titled Alecxandro M. (Alexander the Great), who according to a legend, reported in the medieval book entitled Secretum secretorum, was initiated into alchemy by his master, the philosopher Aristotle.


Folks, Aristotle taught Alexander the Great that non-Greeks are animals to be slaughtered.

All aspects of supremacy are bound in this.

It happens to be the spine of Catholicism.

There's nothing special about the Tarot in this; that represents European philosophy. Except for the Medici side. Note that the Medicis were buried and donated their estate to Tuscany. This deck was hanging out in Milan until it was privately sold.

[Delight]

I saw a couple of videos recently which remind me that an ancient religion is still operating. Ellen King has a great deal of insight into esoteric information which underlies the construct we are in.

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I think this gentleman Nathan Reynolds is very authentic. he has experienced as many have the Old religion as practiced by a group of people who see themselves as unlike the "deplorables" (the rest of us). He reveals in this interview that he had an intervention from a Supreme Authority who led him out of a designed Evil of Systemic destruction of the Soul. He sought healing and was able to achieve a relationship with God "the Father".

I am drawn at the moment to looking at the Paradox of this realm. Since starting this thread of investigation, I am certain we may have all revealed about ourselves, our trauma and the evils we have experienced. In metaphor and symbolism, we must face the worst and cultivate the BEST which in a paradoxical way allows us to LIVE in this realm and NOT be OF this Whirled. WE have to choose. The GOOD news I am hearing over and over: We are NOT tied to any vows, contracts, possessions, OR the things we have done.

Redemption is allowing ourselves to be Freed by (the unknown) redeemer. People may call Him jesus? People may have a higher power without any religious connotation but healing and restoration is our potential when we disavow the CONTROL of "saturn" and use whatever quality IN Saturn which is FOR us (in paradox, all that is NOT for us is NOT against us ANY LONGER).

I feel so strongly that time is short to GROK we choose. We may choose again EVERY MOMENT. This is the BIG LIE. I was taught that once bound, the binding is permanent. Call it bondage to sin? Redemption reverses sin. It sets us a different TIME LINE! Does anything really MATTER here except we make it SO?

Have we just failed to stretch to know how vast change of mind becomes our experience. There is an abyss of evil but there is also an avalanche of love in this realm. When we choose to hate, to believe we must avenge and become the assassins, what is the result? It is the war we carry on through time.

We are in bondage to what we hate IMO. We are freed by what we love. We are in bondage to what we believe is our enemy. I see how I have been complicit in Evil... all have in this realm. I did not see my actions that way. I was ignorant.

Feeling the visceral feelings of this egregious whirled (and our horrific abuse as children in this society of deception) can make us want to just project it on the outer whirled and battle it. However, we can become what we fight so easily. The weird part to me is that if you have the Presence, all you need to do is turn all over and let the Universe God and TRUTH deal with WHATEVER. Don't scoff till you try it.

Whatever The Bondage... it is just as redeemable because There is a FORCE who is seeking to wrest us form Evil. Saturn is just another sphere of a LIE. IMO.

Nathan Reynolds: Ex-Sleeper Assassin 'Snatched from the Flames' of Radical Intelligent Evil

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