What is intelligence? ..and how to avoid it.

[aroundthetable]

Listening to Michio Kaku the other night on C2C made me think about the definition of intelligence.

Michio Kaku, often regarded as intelligent, was very excited about future science. One example he gave was that within 10-15 years we would have the internet available via contact lenses. One of the benefits of this he postulated, would be that our soldiers could use them to see the location of the enemy over yonder by instantly calling up google earth data etc. It didn't seem to occur to him that the enemy could also be wearing the contact lens for the same purpose.

We often hear technological development is a sign of 'intelligence' but is it?

I believe real intelligence is about development of conditions that empower the progress of our spiritual nature. Defining intelligence in technological terms i believe should be avoided.

[majapahit]

It didn't seem to occur to him that the enemy could also be wearing the contact lens for the same purpose.
makes Michio Kaku seem a bit of a twit, doesnt he

.. he is also main stream science with a PR bend

Carl Sagan was like that, only stating that 'there is much more' off the record to close friends

B Fulford stated about the 'car running on water' in Japan:
- it worked as advertised
- a bunch of goons came by the workshop

Michio Kaku still states that 'ET's are unlikely to be visiting, because one cannot travel faster than light' .. halloooooo

I can rant on like this for a while
.. so I stop myself now :cool:

[Jayke]

several billion years worth of evolution to reach the pinnacle of human achievement...getting an ipad installed directly onto your eye, google on the go lol...what a visionary

surely in 10-15 years time we'd be intelligent enough to settle our differences without having to go into battle in the first place...or is that just wishful thinking.
Intelligence to me is about understanding the depths of our spiritual nature so that we can further enhance our enjoyment and experience of life. Technology is just something we create to help us fulfill that IMO.

[Teakai]

Hi Aroundthetable. I do agree.

Intelligence would be not having an army that could be decked out with really funky google earth contacts - rather, it would be not requiring an army at all because every human being has realised how unintelligent, killing his brother or sister is.

:)

[TimelessDimensions]

Technology is a tool that can either be used for learning OR stupefying,

each one's choice.

[mmfk]

Technology is a tool that can either be used for learning OR stupefying,

each one's choice.

I'm not too sure... my present view is that it probably is somewhere in the golden mean. I would say, it would be missing a very or the most important aspect of technology/tools to neglect their intrinsic structural purpose/intention/reason for their existence. I guess, a famous example would be an axe. Some might say, it's a peaceful tool and could only be abused as a weapon. I believe, it has an inherent character, to cut, to separate, to destroy, and therefore violence associated with it/built in (with or without aggression, although I think it is closely related or at least a danger). So, that's obvious, everyone knows what the purpose of an axe is. Besides, I would have to say it is for me far from peaceful to cut down trees...
As I see it, one cannot deny the "spirit" (one might call it) within a tool.

The example of a weapon, a gun for instance, I don't have to mention, cause, presuming one takes a non-violent attitude, a weapon's purpose is clear from the start. So I chose an axe.

Or take a rock. Some could argue that it can also be used to kill, destroy, etc. But it was not built by humans for whatever purpose and therefore has only the usage aspect and is entirely dependent on a user's mindset.

But proceeding in human evolution, the creating of tools has begun somewhere and been ever more optimized (for the lack of a better expression). So I think it's these tools, not natural objects, that we have to observe. And I don't want to deny an axe's uses. On the contrary, I believe it has had its purpose for human evolution (not the Darwinian one), but is bound to become obsolete and has done so already. Similarly with the internet. A tool, technology, something outside oneself, can never be the philosopher's stone. Our future lies beyond material, physical communication or in the case of the axe in destruction. Maybe it is with technology as Wittgenstein said (in a slightly different context): We have to use the ladder to get up there but then we need to discard it as it is of no use to us anymore. (not quoting here)
In the end, we're simply talking about outsourcing here - of our inner intentions and powers. When we will have reached a point where we realize our intrinsic powers and can make complete use of the so that the outsourcing is not needed anymore.

Well, that's just my current understanding.

[aroundthetable]

We also believe that ET is intelligent simply because they have really cool cars and a better grasp of physics.

[dukes4monny]

Listening to Michio Kaku the other night on C2C made me think about the definition of intelligence.

Michio Kaku, often regarded as intelligent, was very excited about future science. One example he gave was that within 10-15 years we would have the internet available via contact lenses. One of the benefits of this he postulated, would be that our soldiers could use them to see the location of the enemy over yonder by instantly calling up google earth data etc. It didn't seem to occur to him that the enemy could also be wearing the contact lens for the same purpose.

We often hear technological development is a sign of 'intelligence' but is it?

I believe real intelligence is about development of conditions that empower the progress of our spiritual nature. Defining intelligence in technological terms i believe should be avoided.

Intelligence would be realising that WE are the enemy ;)

[crownme]

Listening to Michio Kaku the other night on C2C made me think about the definition of intelligence.

Michio Kaku, often regarded as intelligent, was very excited about future science. One example he gave was that within 10-15 years we would have the internet available via contact lenses. One of the benefits of this he postulated, would be that our soldiers could use them to see the location of the enemy over yonder by instantly calling up google earth data etc. It didn't seem to occur to him that the enemy could also be wearing the contact lens for the same purpose.

We often hear technological development is a sign of 'intelligence' but is it?

I believe real intelligence is about development of conditions that empower the progress of our spiritual nature. Defining intelligence in technological terms i believe should be avoided.

uhm hellu :)

you are relly questening intelligence ?

Intelligence is a term describing one or more capacities of the mind. In different contexts this can be defined in different ways, including the capacities for abstract thought, understanding, communication, reasoning, learning, planning, emotional intelligence and problem solving.

i just have to react to this becouse of 2 things. Intelligence what it is. and michio kaku .

michio kaku is a great mind that are pushing the envelope. and he cares and wants a better future. hes also one of the ones that watches the sun.

as for him thinking of both enemies having the future tech he mentioned, why should he think and mention that ? does it matter ?

techonoly is it intelligence ? what else would you call it ? stupid humans gone ahead an made a car and computer. thats not intelligent, thats stupid ?

you BELIVE intelligence is about progress within spiritual nature. well if spirituality is an inate thing we all have. doesnt that make it a skill rather than intelligence?

to belive in somthing is far far far from knowing and aplying.

deffining intellingence... so just shut down yer brain ? is that what you want? to stop learning? stop expanding on the spiral of life ? go there confused aboot a word you can learn and develop from ?
i can define intellince in many shapes and forms, but not all shapes and forms, still learning aboot this planet and the humans.

im fine with YOU having a belif, any belif for that matter. but when you are going at a system like intelligence, and trying to convert it so others think your way just becouse you dont agree, well.. that non-intelligent. thats trying to slow down other by confusing ppl that this isnt real.

what makes you speak?
what makes you eat?
what makes you write ?
what makes you drive a car?
what makes you use a computer ?

a dumbass who hasnt figgure out there is spirituallity ?

you know without knowledge and smart ppl that use this, i bet you wouldnt even know about spirituality, couse would you haf interwebs with just a flock of dumbassess playing with their immagination ? no ofc not, you need intelligence to make those damn computer, you need intelligent humans that can read and co-operate. try and put a spiritual being in a workdshop to work with other humans to make a new lets say cell phone. you think that would be intelligent ?

intelligence, you read dont you ? you just got your language from the planes? a spiritual being suddenly came to you and said your gonna learn to read and write now, *snap* there you go, easy-way-intelligence
my point is it is actually intelligent to read, and without it i doubt that you would ever have come this far on your spritual path, and know the things you do today.

but hey im fine if just you belive in this. belive in what you want, thats on you.
dont go trying to make it to a fact when you alreddy haf the system in place. and foremost, read up dude, learn a word or 2 each day and learn meaning and deffinitions. start using your intelligence :)

namaste

[linz2d]

Intelligence is different from wisdom.

There have been many, many intelligent people throughout history who have done some really stupid things.

[aroundthetable]

If intelligence was about 'making' things then builders would be given a far higher status in life. But they are not, so why should the human race be led by men in white coats calling themselves scientists? Tools and machines are all well and good and useful if used intelligently.

Intelligence is creating peace.
Intelligence is creating the conditions for peaceful life.
Intelligence is recognising the folly of war.
Intelligence is engaging in constructive communication.
Intelligence is being slow to anger and quick to forgiveness.


And so on...

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Intelligence is different from wisdom.

There have been many, many intelligent people throughout history who have done some really stupid things.

Doing stupid things is not intelligent.

[linz2d]

If intelligence was about 'making' things then builders would be given a far higher status in life. But they are not, so why should the human race be led by men in white coats calling themselves scientists? Tools and machines are all well and good and useful if used intelligently.

Intelligence is creating peace.
Intelligence is creating the conditions for peaceful life.
Intelligence is recognising the folly of war.
Intelligence is engaging in constructive communication.
Intelligence is being slow to anger and quick to forgiveness.


And so on...

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Intelligence is different from wisdom.

There have been many, many intelligent people throughout history who have done some really stupid things.

Doing stupid things is not intelligent.

Well lets put it this way, was the invention of the atomic bomb created by intelligent people not a stupid thing to do? As for intelligent people doing stupid things we can also look at politicians.

[aroundthetable]

Creating atomic bombs is not the pursuit of an intelligent person.

[crownme]

If intelligence was about 'making' things then builders would be given a far higher status in life. But they are not, so why should the human race be led by men in white coats calling themselves scientists? Tools and machines are all well and good and useful if used intelligently.

Intelligence is creating peace.
Intelligence is creating the conditions for peaceful life.
Intelligence is recognising the folly of war.
Intelligence is engaging in constructive communication.
Intelligence is being slow to anger and quick to forgiveness.


And so on...

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Intelligence is different from wisdom.

There have been many, many intelligent people throughout history who have done some really stupid things.

Doing stupid things is not intelligent.

wow dude...

who said intelligence was aboout just making things ? humans being led by humans in white coats ? are you confused ? o.O i just have to ask.
again dont you use what intelligence have brought you ? what these humans in white coats have invented for you ? what the hell man ?

if intelligence was about creating peace, then you as a intelligent entity have to create chaos first to achive peace. becouse if you dont have chaos and war and all that, how could you even know aboot peace ? how can you have the intelligence about war and peace when you says its about making peace ?
without the knowledge of the bad you would never know about peace. you get that ? you needs intelligence for both, not just one.

conditions for a peaceful life. again you are going against the verry thing you use everyday. how can you have the knowledge about whats peaceful without knowing the bad and horrible ? you just know from immagination ? herd it in your head ? saw it in a dream ?

recognising war... you dont needs intelligence for this? you dont even have to know about war to recognise what it is and disscover sulution ?

Intelligence is engaging in constructive communication. YES !!

Intelligence is being slow to anger and quick to forgiveness. hehe relly ? since you are relly smart and seems to spiritual attuned :) please explain that one :)

"Doing stupid things is not intelligent." hehe again, if you dont know that the idea is stupid, isnt it extremly smart then to discover for all to see that "hey you guys, this thing here is relly stupid dont do it" . isnt that a discovery in it self and then hence well uhm intelligent ?

doing a stupid thing over and over again i can agree is stupid and non-intelligent. since that is kinda in away the deffinition of stupidity and madness.

namaste

[aroundthetable]

I am not smart, recognising this is intelligent. All human beings are subject to making mistakes, recognising this is intelligence.

[linz2d]

Just out of interest, serial killers have an above average intelligence. :nerd:



in·tel·li·gence (n-tl-jns)
n.
1.
a. The capacity to acquire and apply knowledge.
b. The faculty of thought and reason.
c. Superior powers of mind. See Synonyms at mind.
2. An intelligent, incorporeal being, especially an angel.
3. Information; news. See Synonyms at news.

wis·dom (wzdm)
n.
1. The ability to discern or judge what is true, right, or lasting; insight.
2. Common sense; good judgment: "It is a characteristic of wisdom not to do desperate things" (Henry David Thoreau).
3.
a. The sum of learning through the ages; knowledge: "In those homely sayings was couched the collective wisdom of generations" (Maya Angelou).
b. Wise teachings of the ancient sages.
4. A wise outlook, plan, or course of action.
5. Wisdom Bible Wisdom of Solomon.


To be honest I rather be a wize man than an intellegent one.

[aroundthetable]

The pursuit of wisdom is intelligent.
Serial killers are not intelligent.

[Fructedor]

Intelligence – the use of inspired creative thinking to enhance life ?

In my view, intelligence is not measured by IQ or diplomas, but by the effects of its application to our human problems. That’s why I believe that women are generally more intelligent than men – not that men can’t be, but because intelligence comes more naturally to women.

The people that get wheeled out on telly to explain to the masses why the latest life-depleting government measures are the best choice are not intelligent. Crafty perhaps.

So many of the social diseases from which we now suffer were implemented by people generally regarded as ‘intelligent’. Over-education is a terrible thing, so often leading to self-important arrogance. It’s all over the place. Also, this society’s carefully-crafted reliance on ‘experts’ diminishes our confidence in our own capacities. Part of the power trip.

IQ scores are just like the measurement of computer processor capacity – what’s the point of having state-of-the-art machinery if you use it to play GTO all day? Or work for the Pentagon?

Real human intelligence should be used to implement the directives of the soul, which is the capacity to recognise the environmental benefits of any action. Also, I liked what mmfk had to say about the ‘spirit’ of the tools we use – however thoughtfully built it may be, a ‘smart’ bomb isn’t. Much of what we are capable of building or creating can be used for good or evil. Intent is all.

Best wishes

Fructedor

[aroundthetable]

Yes Fructedor :) An IQ test is a quiz about repeating material knowledge, therefore it is more a measurement of stupidity.

[DarkSai]

To me its quite simple..
Intelligence should be nurtured, while tempered by an equal understanding of ethics and consequences. Imo, intelligence without morality is closest definition i could give to 'evil'.

[Fructedor]

Yes Fructedor :) An IQ test is a quiz about repeating material knowledge, therefore it is more a measurement of stupidity.

Not sure about that, ATT - an IQ test also tests for mental flexibility, spatial and perceptive abilities etc - it's not the same thing as a school history exam for example, which is as you say a measure of how well the subject has swallowed what they have been told. I don't think there's anything essentially wrong in developing brain power in whatever area you like - the whole deal comes down to what you do with it.

Best wishes

Fructedor

[aroundthetable]

Thanks for that Fructedor, my statement is a measurement of my own stupidity!! A good healthy brain is the ideal :)

[TimelessDimensions]

at a higher density of light would you need any external technologies

[InCiDeR]

It is easy to confuse using intelligence with having a mind while using the intelligence is merely an operation granted to us by the mind.

Just for the record:
In my opinion we do not have a mind, we may interact with the mind which may allow us to be become one with it. To have something is owning it, owning means mastering it or having it under control....we do not master the mind, neither do we control it. IMHO, the mind consists of many things in which intelligence is one of the more obvious and generally presented in different situations.

...Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until you hear them speak...

[dan i el]

To me its quite simple..
Intelligence should be nurtured, while tempered by an equal understanding of ethics and consequences. Imo, intelligence without morality is closest definition i could give to 'evil'.

Wise words.

[jorr lundstrom]

If you really dont want to get shot by uranium depleted bullits,

I think its intelligent to vote in the United People Declaration poll.

BTW where is intelligence, isnt this little bird on the point of extinction?

Does anyone know where I can see one before I kick the bucket?:der:

[majapahit]

what about

.. intelligence is a mere aspect of the spirit of men
.. that nowadays can be measured and scored by the same old nasty
.. and the results put in a database used for selection
.. to be trained like a dog
.. and then put to work in the slave plantation
.. until retirement, the promise of retirement the carrot for docility & obedience
.. meanwhile to be pumped full of bad food and partitioned non-information, to confuse the silly creature

they live and die happy as pet dogs

[aroundthetable]

at a higher density of light would you need any external technologies

I think what you call a higher density of light i would call the soul, in any case technology is a material condition and not part of the spiritual world.

[PHARAOH]

In-(inside)-Tel-(Tell)- or Intel-(microchip/ computer-brian)- I-(me)- Gent- (agent). Were all constantly being imbeded with artificial inteligence so we can be programmed to do and say as we are programmed too. You are the agent whom is acting inconcert with the Intel you have downloaded. They want to know what your thinking and only you can tell them. Just my POV on the word.

[aroundthetable]

It is easy to confuse using intelligence with having a mind while using the intelligence is merely an operation granted to us by the mind.

Just for the record:
In my opinion we do not have a mind, we may interact with the mind which may allow us to be become one with it. To have something is owning it, owning means mastering it or having it under control....we do not master the mind, neither do we control it. IMHO, the mind consists of many things in which intelligence is one of the more obvious and generally presented in different situations.

...Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until you hear them speak...

In Vedic teachings, intelligence is higher than the mind. We use our intelligence to control the mind. The mind is the hub of the senses. An example is that we want a new car, or rather the mind wants a new car, it is like a child that is forever demanding things. So by the use of our intelligence, we steer the minds desires towards beneficial ends, i.e spiritual pleasures, which are permanent, unlike a new car. The vedas say, the mind can be your greatest enemy or your greatest friend. So intelligence is higher than the mind, and higher than the intelligence is the living entity. The soul.

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In-(inside)-Tel-(Tell)- or Intel-(microchip/ computer-brian)- I-(me)- Gent- (agent). Were all constantly being imbeded with artificial inteligence so we can be programmed to do and say as we are programmed too. You are the agent whom is acting inconcert with the Intel you have downloaded. They want to know what your thinking and only you can tell them. Just my POV on the word.

There is no such thing as artificial intelligence :) Thanks for your post :)

[InCiDeR]

In Vedic teachings, intelligence is higher than the mind. We use our intelligence to control the mind. The mind is the hub of the senses. An example is that we want a new car, or rather the mind wants a new car, it is like a child that is forever demanding things. So by the use of our intelligence, we steer the minds desires towards beneficial ends, i.e spiritual pleasures, which are permanent, unlike a new car. The vedas say, the mind can be your greatest enemy or your greatest friend. So intelligence is higher than the mind, and higher than the intelligence is the living entity. The soul.

Thank you for your comment aroundthetable.

I see it like two different levels: spiritual "intelligence" and body [3D] intelligence. When I look at spiritual "intelligence" everything you said resonates with my point of view, but I normally don't call it "intelligence" hence the confusion. I don't really have a name for it, I might call it "my higher self", and it has knowledge [wisdom/intelligence etc] that my "body intelligence" can't comprehend. Since I also see the mind as kind of a hub, it will therefore let the body have a part of the "spiritual intelligence" which i call intelligence... but I better should have said body [3D] intelligence ;)

[Fructedor]

Thanks for that Fructedor, my statement is a measurement of my own stupidity!! :)

Mais non, mais non ...

[Carmody]

I used to joke that what customers wanted to see was what they understood. So when we went to advertise our products, I opined that they would expect us to have men in lab coats and clipboards staring at stuff with furrowed brows..all filmed/photographed in clean laboratories.

The realities tend to be pretty far from that. When you run into that as a reality it is usually some aspect of middling to mediocre in the brain and innovation aspects.

The reality of the 'eureka' moments are usually ones where the inventing type is sitting 'on the throne' reading a magazine or in the shower, or some other similar thing..and 'inspiration' strikes. The muse strikes in those moments.

There is also another level or layer to this onion of intelligence, and it tends to come out of being aware of the multi-dimensional aspects of man. These levels of design, creation and intelligence are so rarefied.... that sometimes, no more than a few human beings even know that such things or 'possibilities' -even exist.

The public and the vast majority of the highest levels of known public academia and science are not aware, for the most apart, that this 'other' level -- even exists. Folks like Shakespeare, the muses, the sages of this planet, they speak about it in ways that appear as parables or fanciful and eloquent poetry, of a sort. This is due to the highest levels coming out of the muse and being translated through a logic filter..but the bearer or witness to the knowledge or connection..they understand the duality, the muse, the complexity of this life, this avatar system..so they express it more correctly as a blending of the two hemispheres of the mind.

This means that the given 'invention' of this sort of intelligence is not always primarily connected to that of a baser or of a whole physical nature. Any invention of a physical nature that comes out of such connections is usually quite potent or simply misunderstood ...or even totally misunderstood by the vast majority of mankind.

As Arthur C Clarke said, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

As an example, a properly built(materials)/shaped/designed prayer bowl ..in the right hands...is a potent energetic dimensional doorway manipulation device.

Yet.... it is 'just a bowl'.

http://www.google.ca/images?q=prayer+bowl&hl=en&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbs=isch:1&ei=pF2LTeKxCoXagAelzunWDQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBwQ_AUoAQ&biw=1470&bih=862

As an example, the Nazi Bell, Stargates, Looking Glass, and Yellowbook are based on what prayer bowls actually do bring to the table.

At certain points of the analysis you come to a universal solution that fits all known and suspected parameters, and that is the 'mainline' or 'trunkline' (aka:Third rail') of the reality system we call linear time and 3-d existence.

This last point is critical as the prayer bowl for example is a connection to that aspect or function. It is the Last barrier or limit to this 'next higher gear' or 'next level' of 'reality function'.

Once known the key is so universal it fits into ALL known or suspected problems in science and physics.

Basically, we are one step away from science and the art of being human..from conflating with one another to the point that they are wholly inseparable...as that is their actual state. It is our mindset that is the problem.

This is why the PTB fight so hard to block this point from becoming known.

This last barrier breaks part everything they are trying to do.

[Carmody]

I'll show you the PTB and ignorance in action. The wiki page on signing bowls. Read closely. You will literally read the PTB or someone in extreme ignorance trying to make sure you don't understand that dimensional access can be obtained or enhanced through the use of the alchemical metals in the making of prayer bowls..and then resonating that combined harmonic into existence through making the bowl sing. The vortex that forms in the mouth of the bowl.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singing_bowl

"Claims that singing bowls are never mentioned in literature are unfounded. The ancient Tibetan library alone held more than one million volumes. No one has read all of the literature to know whether singing bowls are mentioned or not. This is a claim by singing bowl sellers to make the bowls sound more mysterious and secret. In fact, even very secret teachings in Tibet were written down.

Some people claim that a phenomenon they call "water charging" can be demonstrated by filling a singing bowl with water, producing sounds with the bowl until the water begins to vibrate (due to the vibrations of the bowl), stopping and letting the water to rest, and then re-starting the whole procedure: the water will pick up the same vibration much faster than the previous attempt. While this type of vibration creates interesting sonic and visual effects, there is no reason to think that the water is in any way "charged" or affected in a meaningful way.

While it is commonly believed that singing bowls are made from an alloy of 7 metals, extensive metallurgical testing of more than 100 singing bowls conducted by Himalayan Bowls in 2009 and a further study of antique singing bowls conducted by Himalayan Bowls in conjunction with scientists from Oxford University in 2010 show that both new and antique bowls are made of an ancient traditional alloy of copper and tin, in correct proportion to be termed "bell metal bronze."

Bell metal bronze is the ancient alloy of high tin bronze that was used for centuries throughout Asia, the Near East and Europe specifically to make musical instruments. All of the world's best bells, gongs and cymbals are made of this same mix of copper and tin.

In metallurgical testing of every type of antique and new singing bowl, no "7 metal" alloy was discovered. Despite the common myth of 5 or 7 metals perpetuated by singing bowl sellers, the term is unknown to metal smiths and metallurgists. Google searches reveal that "7 metals" is only used to talk about selling singing bowls - the term is never used anywhere else. In truth, it is just a funny marketing scheme - there does not seem to be any such alloy.

Singing bowls are made of a pure alloy of copper and tin. This type of bronze, called bell metal, is historically regarded as the best sounding metal. Most church bells, gongs, ship bells, singing bowls and cymbals of all types have traditionally been made from bell metal bronze."

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The best signing bowls apparently have GOLD in them, which is the access or doorway metal in alchemy. Electromagnetic atomic resonance considerations have a perfect adjunct in physical parameters such as sonic or mechanical resonance... which is why a bowl of copper and gold is considered the FINEST of prayer bowls. It creates the correct resonance to form the dimensional gate or vortex in the mouth of the bowl and above it , like a spinning ZPE tornado. (

This is the same technique used to Levitate the rocks (to move/levitate/diorect them up the side of a mountain to make a monastery higher up the mountain) by the surrounding monks chanting..... or the whole levitating monk thing where the group surrounds them in a square stone hard surfaced room..and then they all chant in harmony..the correct set of resonant frequencies to create a lessening of the dimensional barriers in the vicinity of the "monk in the middle"....and he levitates.

This idea of a 'singing bowl' and the metals involved...is the exact same sort of thing, in one single item.

The 7 metals they speak on are the other alchemical main materials. Ie the precious metals. Gold, silver, platinum, copper, etc. The Ormus metals as outlined by David Hudson and, of course, by alchemists --throughout the ages.



There you have it...in the Wiki..is a literal example of actual and purposeful Obfuscation and misdirection.... posing very carefully as 'reason'. Pay close attention. This is exactly how it is done to us, every day. It looks so innocent.....if you don't know what is going on.

Ultimately this is the same base physics-function that by which the TR3B triangular man made UFO craft works..but enacted differently. See what I mean? A universal key that fits 'all'.....is this last point. And we are upon the face of that moment and time, right now.

[aroundthetable]

A nice example of bunk posing as reason

[aroundthetable]

My own BS detector regarding intelligence is that if information, actions or machines are not used to facilitate spiritual progress then that is a misuse of intelligence. Everything can be used in Gods service. If it cannot then it is for some material benefit, and as these benefits end with the death of the body, what is the use of such knowledge or machines? If you can't accept God for whatever reason, then imo you will continue to go round in circles trying to make sense of it all. This at least was my own experience in the valid search to answer the big questions of why are we here etc. Like previous posters have already said, accepting God opened up hitherto locked doors.

[truthseekerdan]

by aroundthetable: Michio Kaku, often regarded as intelligent, was very excited about future science. One example he gave was that within 10-15 years we would have the internet available via contact lenses. One of the benefits of this he postulated, would be that our soldiers could use them to see the location of the enemy over yonder by instantly calling up google earth data etc.

I wouldn't follow anyones "vision(s)" about the future no matter how intelligent they may seem (mentally), as long as they project a so called "enemy" to fight or conquer. Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing...

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”. ~ 1 Corinthians 3:19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20cor%203:19&version=NIV)

Blessings ~ Dan