Reincarnation - alternative views

[Chicodoodoo]

(Note: the real start of this thread is post #12 below.)


Science never found prove for life after death - so it didn't exist.

Science never found proof for life after death, nor did it find proof for no life after death -- so science can't say too much about it.


And still many people might say, it's an illusion, it's a lie, a believe-system... And you know what? I don't care. - I don't have to prove anybody anything.

Ah, there's my problem -- I do care.

I'm amazed at how quickly you were able to open my eyes, Sepia. Thank you very much, and I mean that most sincerely. I'm in your debt.

[Bill Ryan]

Science never found proof for life after death, nor did it find proof for no life after death -- so science can't say too much about it.

---------> Science is really a religion.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14553-Science-is-really-a-religion

There's plenty of evidence for reincarnation. More than plenty. And for those people who have vivid recall of past life events (including many reading this, for sure), no evidence or 'proof' is needed. The reality is self-evident.

Meanwhile, there's as much evidence as anyone wants to examine. There are enough books on the subject, citing case histories and rigorous, intelligent investigation, to keep someone reading day and night for a year.

It all depends if someone wants to do that or not! Some people have already made their minds up. Why do people do that?

One reason is because their reality is threatened. As Sepia said - supposing you allow this to happen?



And wuff... suddenly my world was upside down. It takes great courage to allow oneself to experience that.

[3optic]

Meanwhile, there's as much evidence as anyone wants to examine. There are enough books on the subject, citing case histories and rigorous, intelligent investigation, to keep someone reading day and night for a year.


Can you recommend a few to get me started? ;)

[Bill Ryan]

Meanwhile, there's as much evidence as anyone wants to examine. There are enough books on the subject, citing case histories and rigorous, intelligent investigation, to keep someone reading day and night for a year.


Can you recommend a few to get me started?


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[Bill Ryan]

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[Chicodoodoo]

Science is really a religion.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14553-Science-is-really-a-religion



I've been a part of that discussion, arguing that science itself is not a religion, although the way it is practiced often is, because of the human element.


There's plenty of evidence for reincarnation. More than plenty. And for those people who have vivid recall of past life events (including many reading this, for sure), no evidence or 'proof' is needed. The reality is self-evident.

They must be luckier than I am. The reality is definitely not self-evident to me. There's been a complete lack of evidence for reincarnation in my life experience. I have not actively pursued it, so the fault may be mine, but I usually need a reason to investigate, whether it be curiosity, an personal experience, an intriguing story from someone else -- something to pique my interest. Apparently it just didn't "resonate" with me, as they say.


One reason is because their reality is threatened. As Sepia said - supposing you allow this to happen?

Happen away -- I'm always looking to threaten my reality. But I do want to keep the "real" in "reality". I have been mistaken about reality in the past, and I may be mistaken about reality even now. But one thing I do know is that I am not alone. I am not convinced that there is anyone alive that really knows what is real.

[dan i el]

Science is really a religion.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14553-Science-is-really-a-religion



I've been a part of that discussion, arguing that science itself is not a religion, although the way it is practiced often is, because of the human element.


There's plenty of evidence for reincarnation. More than plenty. And for those people who have vivid recall of past life events (including many reading this, for sure), no evidence or 'proof' is needed. The reality is self-evident.

They must be luckier than I am. The reality is definitely not self-evident to me. There's been a complete lack of evidence for reincarnation in my life experience. I have not actively pursued it, so the fault may be mine, but I usually need a reason to investigate, whether it be curiosity, an personal experience, an intriguing story from someone else -- something to pique my interest. Apparently it just didn't "resonate" with me, as they say.


One reason is because their reality is threatened. As Sepia said - supposing you allow this to happen?

Happen away -- I'm always looking to threaten my reality. But I do want to keep the "real" in "reality". I have been mistaken about reality in the past, and I may be mistaken about reality even now. But one thing I do know is that I am not alone. I am not convinced that there is anyone alive that really knows what is real.

Chicodoodoo, obviously belief in reincarnation is subjective but nevertheless i would encourage attempts at Oupensky's (?) hypnogogic imaging..it's very easy! as described by George Gurdijieff? It is mysterious when strange images of other places present themselves...a rationalist may say it is nought but imagery created from input during this life experience buit it might be other. in peace

[Chicodoodoo]

I would like to add that I have since done a little bit of research on the Internet, looking into the best evidence for reincarnation. I find it to be a lot like the religion of practiced religion, and the religion of practiced science. There is a real phenomenon behind the reincarnation religion, but I find it highly likely that the human explanation or interpretation of that phenomenon is incorrect. The proposed explanation for transferred memories is reincarnation. That is certainly a possibility, but only one possibility out of thousands, most of which we can't even conceive of because of our limited knowledge, imagination, and brainpower!

For instance, allow me to draw on a known analogy (an example of our limited knowledge, imagination, and brainpower). What if memories are stored as frequencies in a localized compartment, like electricity in a wire. What if those frequencies can induce matching frequencies in other localized compartments, just like electricity creates magnetic fields that can induce electric flows in other wires? Could not memories "leak" across time and space, and in our ignorance, we call it reincarnation?

What if memories are stored as frequencies in a universally accessible compartment, a kind of shared wire, like a universal consciousness? Would those memories not be accessible under some conditions that we are not aware of by some people for reasons we do not understand?

Those are only two alternate explanations I can conceive of, and they may be as wrong as the reincarnation explanation.

My point is that humans jump to conclusions that appeal to them (or are the only ones available to them), when in reality the conclusions are just plain wrong. How many times in our history have we done that with religions, attributing real phenomena to gods? Or with science, attributing real phenomena to comfortable paradigms that were flawed? We are still doing it, we just have no simple way of knowing when and where we are doing it. The important thing to be aware of is that we are still doing it!

[Arrowwind]

You might have interest in watching some of the movies on how the new Dahli Lama is selected as well as some of the higher level Rimpoches. If I wanted to see some evidience for reincarnation that is where I might look, just for a start. These movies can be found on Netflex...

[Lord Sidious]

Science never found proof for life after death, nor did it find proof for no life after death -- so science can't say too much about it.

Science is imperfect as people are involved.
Science has no way to explain or prove the existence of life, even while we are alive ourselves.

[king anthony]

Some (or one) species have the ability to transfer the human 'mind' from one 'husk' (body/host) to another; this is where the idea of 'afterlife' or 'eternal life' comes from. The purpose of this is to keep the qualities of, example a human being, and not have to start with a new. Not all human beings have this done.

Putting it into perspective, one can use a software program to image a computer hard drive that has the operating system and data (like taking a snapshot of it). If the hard drive fails, all one needs to do is take the image and impose it 'into' a new hard drive; nothing is lost and the computer resumes from the last time the image was taken.

Reincarnation memories are based on the residual effect of a 'template' being used (a copy of a copy) when the 'downloading' of the 'imaged' human 'operating system' is being imposed 'into' the mind; the human mind is just a biological computer. Any memories, are not that of a past life, but of 'someone else's'.

Some species use this knowledge to project themselves into, example, human beings; this is where the idea of 'possession' comes from. I know for sure my words will not win favor with many here; however, I say I am not here to win favor.

[Chicodoodoo]

Interesting -- a thread "started" by me that I didn't start. I had no idea this could happen. Somebody has some interesting pull here on Avalon. So let me ask here publicly -- who started this thread? Was it Sepia? Was it Bill Ryan? A moderator, perhaps? One thing for sure, it wasn't me!

The posts above this one were apparently extracted from a thread started by Sepia on radioactivity and spiritual healing, which explains why this thread has no starting purpose or consistency. My guess is that my post #8 (above) examining the "religious" aspect of reincarnation was not welcome in Sepia's thread, so like a cancerous tumor, it was cut out and tossed aside, along with other posts on reincarnation (to be fair). Evidently, those believing in reincarnation are not tolerant of those that don't.

So, since I have a new thread, I might as well use it. Let's examine some of the problems that produced this new thread.

Intolerance is one, specifically intolerance of opposing viewpoints. This would seem to be contrary to the spirit of Avalon, known for giving those holding opposing views (whistle-blowers) a forum, but I may have misunderstood the true nature of that spirit.

Like-mindedness is another which is waved proudly from the walls of Avalon like a banner of solidarity. Deliberately excising diversity does result in camaraderie and smooth-sailing but, like in-breeding, produces sickly results.

Not caring (a lack of real empathy towards others) is a third, often caused when one is busily focused on a subtle form of selfishness (a fourth). An example of this kind of selfish and egotistical behavior is pursuing an inward state of nirvana while the outside world is crumbling around you. "All changes must come from within" is the spiritual mantra designed to keep you turned inward in the mistaken belief that you will have your greatest impact on the world through solitary inaction. If only it were that easy.

Those problems are not unique to Avalon, of course. But from all the surface talk you see on Avalon, I never expected they would be so prevalent.

[truthseekerdan]

Dr. Brian Weiss -- Same Soul, Many Bodies 1 of 12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A5EFFZ-W7s&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)

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[ThePythonicCow]

Interesting -- a thread "started" by me that I didn't start. I had no idea this could happen. Somebody has some interesting pull here on Avalon. So let me ask here publicly -- who started this thread? Was it Sepia? Was it Bill Ryan? A moderator, perhaps? One thing for sure, it wasn't me!

The posts above this one were apparently extracted from a thread started by Sepia on radioactivity and spiritual healing,
The post that appears first (Post #1) on a thread is always the post with the oldest date. The posts on any given thread are always presented in order of the date they were first posted. When threads are merged or posts moved between threads, this can lead to a, shall we say, less than obvious ordering.

It would appear from the server logs that Bill did some rearranging of posts, as you describe. I trust that he was making an effort to keep related posts together on the same thread, and unrelated posts on distinct threads.

[sepia]

Thank you Bill for starting the new thread, thank you Paul for supporting.

Chicodoodoo feels thrown out of the sandbox... It's really not needed.

Let me invite you to a cup of coffee!

My favorite brand might suit you, Chiccodoodoo: it's Chicco d'Oro

See the butterfly on the cookies? - Specially for you.

You might not like the idea of reincarnation. But you know what? We can be reborn in this very life - almost like a butterfly.

We can decide that we leave our "painbody" behind and create a new quality. (Eckhart Tolle has written and talked about this.)

I personally invent myself new at least two times a year. Even if the new 'I' looks the same for other people, it makes a different to me. -

In order to grow every snake or lobster or so gets rid of the old skin when it is too tight :)

Anybody else wants a coffe?

[meeradas]

"All changes must come from within" is the spiritual mantra designed to keep you turned inward in the mistaken belief that you will have your greatest impact on the world through solitary inaction.

Dear Chdd,

dunno if that helps/ applies here:

Blue is "truer" - for instance, just try and relocate with all your "baggage", and then see if anything has changed in your new surroundings. At best, you'll be inspired and maybe even able to drop some of it thru the "fresh air": What has changed then is... within you [reflected "outside"].

Red could be a misinterpretation. It's not about inaction at all.

Inertness and lazy so-called meditation won't change a thing, you're right. This way it's just an ego-enhancement (adding "baggage"...) - at best, one will be disgusted by it after some time, and get up and move to get things done.

Seemingly sittin' 'round doin' nuthin' works only for the few who can change things on a causal level, in the "outside world"... and even these might have to lift a finger for it, and stir...

In the end, there's no inside or outside.
This you will have to experience (but then "you" are gone, too).

I only had a glimpse of that once [nothing permanent... yet] -
am wishing you the same, brilliant mind!

Cheers!

[should've rather pm'd you... doesn't really belong here in the reincarnation thread]

[Bill Ryan]

Interesting -- a thread "started" by me that I didn't start. I had no idea this could happen. Somebody has some interesting pull here on Avalon. So let me ask here publicly -- who started this thread? Was it Sepia? Was it Bill Ryan? A moderator, perhaps? One thing for sure, it wasn't me!

Dear Friend,

You are highly logical! So you'll definitely be able to understand this.

I moved the reincarnation posts over to this new thread, so that the two different topics would not get mixed up.

It was my decision (and my fault - see below), as I responded to the request for more information about reincarnation by posting a whole bunch of books from Amazon. That was me going off-topic in Sepia's important thread.

And it is important - she's offering to hold an online seminar there, on the spiritual healing of radioactivity. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16739-Radio-active-matter-Let-s-be-spiritual-Healers) Can you see that?

That's got nothing much to do with reincarnation. (Our true spiritual nature is the only common factor, though of course that's a highly significant one.)

To try to get this right, I checked first to see if there was an existing reincarnation thread where the subject could continue to be discussed in depth - and to my astonishment, I couldn't find one.

So your questions really did Avalon a service.

But - after I'd moved the posts, I could not "start the thread" myself with a new post. That's because each post keeps its own time stamp, even when it's moved to a new thread: and I couldn't "go back in time" to start it myself.

Does this make more sense now?

None of this was an attack against you. The threads are simply about the subjects in the titles. That's all. What I tried to do was to help your desire to understand more.

That's because here you can discuss this important new topic for hundreds of posts if you like - which I'm very sure many Avalonians would like to discuss with you. It could be one of the most significant threads on the forum, depending on where you and others would like to take it.

And as I said - mea culpa.

That's Latin for "my fault" - look it up. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mea_culpa

[majapahit]

of course reincarnation is real .. everybody knows that
I do ..
the ET Pleiadians, the Greys and such 'do' reincarnation

haven't you asked them? :cool:

[astrid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QDT58Q6Zxo

Michael Newton was also a sceptic, until he discovered some hard evidence for himself.

He explains this journey in these 5 videos......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDJU49Hk0ZY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTMin_UHL58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXz-voKGTu0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF-go3WAnaY

[Tuza]

Thanks Astrid, has anybody commented on the fact that Constantine omitted the words on reincarnation from the Bible, that also was done to have control over the masses.

[manny]

do we activley decide to come back?
and have our memorys wiped.
so we come from source.live our life here on earth,die,return to source,then choose to come back again.

if this is the case what is our mission.there must be a reason us to keep returning.

and if we cannot remember the previous life or lives,then what is the point.

trying to understand

[Maria Stade]

I was 17 years old, and this day I was to make a self image with me sitting in the sun.
I hadnt been painting for some time so it was calling me again.
I painted rocks and sand and me sitting wit a blanket over my shoulders.
It was difficult the water colors didnt get right and the picture did get more and more wrong.

Disturbed I decided to go away from it for a while.

15 min. later I was back locking at my painting.

It was a Old native indian woman sitting in a red-yellow rocky landscape.

Then all the sudden I was an Old woman looking back on my life.

My children was all doing well and I had passed on all my knowledge to them.
They were already parents them self and did well.

My dear life partner was no longer in this world and I was longing to meet him again.
The love and passion and softness of this experience did stay with me !

I had never heard of reincarnation so this was just one of my many odd experiences.

I was never found of spiritual/religon stuff (they where in the same box to me ) so it took me about 20 years to understand what that was !

:grouphug: Thank You Sepia for all that you share ! And Bill and all other fantastic ones.

[ulli]

I was 17 years old, and this day I was to make a self image with me sitting in the sun.
I hadnt been painting for some time so it was calling me again.
I painted rocks and sand and me sitting wit a blanket over my shoulders.
It was difficult the water colors didnt get right and the picture did get more and more wrong.

Disturbed I decided to go away from it for a while.

15 min. later I was back locking at my painting.

It was a Old native indian woman sitting in a red-yellow rocky landscape.

Then all the sudden I was an Old woman looking back on my life.

My children was all doing well and I had passed on all my knowledge to them.
They were already parents them self and did well.

My dear life partner was no longer in this world and I was longing to meet him again.
The love and passion and softness of this experience did stay with me !

I had never heard of reincarnation so this was just one of my many odd experiences.

I was never found of spiritual/religon stuff (they where in the same box to me ) so it took me about 20 years to understand what that was !

:grouphug: Thank You Sepia for all that you share ! And Bill and all other fantastic ones.


What a lovely story.
and while I was reading this I heard your voice which reminded me of Liv Ullman,
as if she was reading your letter out loud...

did you ever see a movie called Mind Walk? she plays a physicist in it...

I will post the link here, so you can check...

but also would love Sepia to see this as it fits well with her theories about subatomic particles

how all is connected at that level...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwW3kzwh9-E

[Maria Stade]

Ulli
did you ever see a movie called Mind Walk? she plays a physicist in it...


No I have not ! Thank you I will check it out.

Lol.... Yes I would sound much like Liv !

As i see the human potential to day ! We are all energy and the limitation to what we can do, is only in our mind.

[John Parslow]

Hello all

Does this all mean that reincarnation is making a comeback ... :jester:

Love to all. JP :cool:

[ulli]

Hello all

Does this all mean that reincarnation is making a comeback ... :jester:

Love to all. JP :cool:


The problem with a good one-liner like that is how to live up to the high standard you just set there, hehe...
I'll be watching you.

[Maria Stade]

John Parslow
Does this all mean that reincarnation is making a comeback ...


I think it is possible for many more to remember past lives than before.
And there are many that can help those that wish to know.

I have only tagged in to them and do not try to remember !
I go with faith that I will remember what ever is needed to remember in this life if it has any purose for me in this now.

Here is another one .

This came as a down loud to help some one else.

I was with a woman I didnt know her, but the feeling was from the beginning that we where very old friends.

We did go out to smoke and look at the stars.

It was a bit cold and she started to talk about her fear of freezing !

All the sudden I was in another time !

The village was under attack and we were running in to the darkness.

Women and children. The snow was hard frozen so we did go of road with out leaving any tracks.

Over the hill and on the other side we stopped, digged down in the snow and we had some shelter from the hard wind.

We could hear screaming and shooting and knowing they will all be dead by the morning.

So would we That night was to cold and we did all die, but we died together there was no fear but sadness and finaly acceptans.

The children was hardest to see go.

Yes she was a old friend and we had died together during harsh condition.

[John Parslow]

Hello Ulli


The problem with a good one-liner like that is how to live up to the high standart you just set there, hehe...
I'll be watching you.

Oh dear - head now firmly below the parapet ... :behindsofa:

Love to you, JP :cool:

[sepia]

did you ever see a movie called Mind Walk? she plays a physicist in it...

I will post the link here, so you can check...

but also would love Sepia to see this as it fits well with her theories about subatomic particles

how all is connected at that level...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwW3kzwh9-E


Wonderful - I got goose-bumps...

Isn't it strange? -
In order to proceed on a spiritual journey we energetically give back to the world what belongs to the world, and take back from the world what is ours, until we truly can say 'I' - and nothing is sticking to us, we completely separate ourselves.

Light like an Angel our consciousness finds it's highest realm
and goes into communion with the numinous -

and we will find out that we are everything - the whole creation - every being - there is no separation -
our love radiates through the universe... in all eternaty (and from time to time we incarnate.)

Liv Ullman knows what she is talking about - she isn't just an actress.

[Chicodoodoo]

None of this was an attack against you. The threads are simply about the subjects in the titles. That's all. What I tried to do was to help your desire to understand more.

Thank you for the explanation, Bill. It's greatly appreciated.

This experience has demonstrated to me that I am a bit sensitive about being censored. That was the first thing I "felt", and the emotion was certainly fogging my thinking. When I think about it, I believe it is because censorship is the chain that binds us, and I desperately want to see the mind of humanity freed. Knowledge is so bound up and controlled that I feel like a man that is being denied air, like I'm being smothered sometimes. I just want to breathe, and I believed that Avalon is the sanctuary I was searching for where I could breathe. I just don't want my hopes dashed.

Could you do me a favor? Since the thread was started in my name, would you allow me to rename it? I would like to call it "Reincarnation - alternative views". It's not that I dismiss reincarnation as being impossible, rather I question if our explanations for our experiences are accurate. That's really what I would like to explore, and what I was exploring with my posts in Sepia's thread.

[Chicodoodoo]

Chicodoodoo feels thrown out of the sandbox... It's really not needed.

Well, can you blame me? I did feel like I was kicked out of the sandbox! Without warning, I found my posts in some hinterland under a title not of my choosing. I felt like I had been unjustly punished.

Coffee and cookies does help make it better. I'm feeling a little better now, thanks! I appreciate your compassion and understanding.

[Chicodoodoo]

of course reincarnation is real .. everybody knows that ..
I do .. the ET Pleiadians, the Greys and such 'do' reincarnation

haven't you asked them? :cool:

No, I haven't had the pleasure. And even if I did, how would I know that they do not misinterpret things, just like humans?

[Arrowwind]

[[/Meanwhile, there's as much evidence as anyone wants to examine. There are enough books on the subject, citing case histories and rigorous, intelligent investigation, to keep someone reading day and night for a year.

.

I noticed that one of the books deals with planning a next incarnation... and in your thread on the Tell Your Reincarnation Story Here, Bill, you talk about desiring in a life long ago to be in the west to do work here... and I have been formulating plans for myself for other incarnations.

I just watched Richard Hoaglands video about the current issues in Japan and Nazi's vs the Bloodlines war,
what if all the "lightworkers" made a conscious decision to reincarnate into their bloodlines?
Could we not alter the world this way? could we not release zero point energy this way... could we not attain our planetary freedom this way?

If we indended to reincarnate as scientists and doctors and teachers and rulers in this two factions of opposiition, in these forces who care only for themselves, and not humanity at large, could we make a difference?

[slvrfx]

Just a brief note in passing...cuz I received it as "a brief note in passing".....one of those, right-in-your-face, beautiful split-second cosmic awarenesses...

Sorry I can't give a time, place or source, but it had quite an impact on me-

Just a minuscule tidbit, about how memories of our ancestors are passed along to us, in our DNA, and sometimes maybe when we think we're seeing a past-life, it just might be that of an ancestor.

(That goes far in explaining how so many people believe they were some famous person in the past. Also goes along with Dolores Cannon's writings about how some have come here, STRAIGHT FROM THE SOURCE, with no karma. Just the pure desire to help people make the huge transition that is upon us.)

This material was in a scientific article.

[Revere]

Chicodoodoo
It's not that I dismiss reincarnation as being impossible, rather I question if our explanations for our experiences are accurate. That's really what I would like to explore, and what I was exploring with my posts in Sepia's thread.

Personally, I got to agree. Reincarnation has never felt right for me as well! So, my explanation (in progress) centers on the possibility of this information coming from the Information field or Akashic field that we live in. Is it possible that we experience information so direct from a previous life that we assume it is our own? I'd consider it Reincarnated. Food for thought ya know?

I love to fish! Recent studies show that fish which are hooked on certain baits and released create an aversion to that bait. Here is the good part; the aversion lasts for three generation before it is no longer statistically viable! Reincarnation "Souls"? Biology “cellular memory"? Or Information field "consciousness"?

Oh, and no bashing everyone to everyone...we are bigger than that, right?

Peace,

-R-

[Chicodoodoo]

Michael Newton was also a sceptic, until he discovered some hard evidence for himself.

Thanks for posting that video series.

There's another way to look at Newton's work. It's like the game "Telephone" where a message is whispered down the line until it reaches the end, and then the original message is compared to the final message, to the great amusement of everyone involved.

It's clear by examining human history that we are explanation machines. We have to create explanations, because we want to "know". Most of the time, those explanations turn out to be inaccurate fabrications. People under hypnosis may be interpreting what they are experiencing. Newton may be interpreting their interpretations. The end result is an elaborate story that very much resembles ancient religions.

So, how do we know we are not doing the exact same thing humans have been doing since the beginning -- making things up?

Is our purpose to provide entertainment for something else? Is humanity nothing more than a message being passed down the line, just to get some laughs when we reach the end?

Am I just making this up?

[Dennis Leahy]

Interesting -- a thread "started" by me that I didn't start. I had no idea this could happen. Somebody has some interesting pull here on Avalon. So let me ask here publicly -- who started this thread? Was it Sepia? Was it Bill Ryan? A moderator, perhaps? One thing for sure, it wasn't me!

...

The posts above this one were apparently extracted from a thread started by Sepia on radioactivity and spiritual healing, ... Evidently, those believing in reincarnation are not tolerant of those that don't.

So, since I have a new thread, I might as well use it. Let's examine some of the problems that produced this new thread.

Intolerance is one, specifically intolerance of opposing viewpoints. ...
Hi Chicodoodoo,

Hopefully, (after Paul's and Bill's explanations) you are no longer feeling as if your ideas were rejected, and instead recognize that they are so important (and so different than the topic of the other thread), that they deserved their own thread. The forum software has no way to create a new opening post for a thread that was extracted from another thread. It's a shame, and gives an abrupt and disquieting feeling to the new thread's beginning. The only thing we can suggest is to edit the new "first" post, and add your own lead-in to the topic, as you might have when creating a new thread.

I really appreciate this being a separate topic!

Tipping my hat to your edited thread title, one could say that even the belief in reincarnation is an "alternative view", especially if one was raised in Western culture where reincarnation is not taught by any mainstream religious or educational systems (maybe until a student selects a college-level class in 'world religions.')

If you want to find out if reincarnation is true, who can you listen to? Who can you trust? Even well-meaning and loving people may be deluded or just incorrect, right? I praise your skeptical mind! I wish there were more skeptics - we would all be a lot harder to brainwash, influence, and control. I think you need to trust yourself.

Trust in your self could take a couple of paths: one, you might read or view some information that resounds deeply within you as the truth, and accept it as the truth. You may not have "proof", but there are many things like this where we do trust ourselves to be correct. Another path is experiential - that is, to remain a skeptic until and unless you have the experience yourself.

Dozens of hypnotherapists have helped over 10,000 people break through to memories/experiences of the reincarnation process - let me underscore, that's more than saying past-life recall, they are also remembering the process involved (as a disembodied 'spirit') in agreeing to reincarnate, helping to select some specific circumstances (gender, family situation, etc.), and knowing in advance what specific goals we set for our self in this one incarnation.

As a pretty skeptical person, I have come as far as I can with reading books and watching videos. My reading list (good for a scientific/skeptic person) was:
Many Lives Many Masters - Dr. Brian Weiss
Journey of Souls - Michael Newton
(you'll laugh when you realize how skeptical these two authors were)

then
Destiny of Souls - Michael Newton
Memories of the Afterlife - written by a dozen hypnotherapists using Michael Newton's techniques, book compiled and edited by Michael Newton

In my opinion, basically, Weiss and Newton and Dolores Cannon, and some others should be considered as 'whistleblowers' who alerted us to hidden truths.

I consider Journey of Souls to be the most important book I have ever read.

But again, I got as far as I could get with books. It resounds as truth to me. I accept it as the truth, but (largely because I don't have spontaneous recall of prior incarnations), a tiny bit of skepticism remains. The only thing left to do is to experience (http://www.spiritualregression.org/search2.php?region=Colorado) it, to find out for sure.

Dennis

[TheSwede]

do we activley decide to come back?
and have our memorys wiped.
so we come from source.live our life here on earth,die,return to source,then choose to come back again.

if this is the case what is our mission.there must be a reason us to keep returning.

and if we cannot remember the previous life or lives,then what is the point.

trying to understand

If you could reincarnate and know everything, you would never know how you would behave in a situation where you didn't know anything.

Look at it as a computer game. You could chose before starting how you will start and how you will live. Most people start at the easy level then increase the difficulty. In most games you can chose how you will play the game, how you will interact, how you will handle situations. Just look at the variation how people play games in those Roleplaying Multiplayer Online Games... Some start out as poor and with good intentions and once they get some power they use it and get evil without even being a bad person in reality, its just a game, an experience.

My point is, if you can play a game without knowing who you are during the game. Then when the game is over and you look upon youre gametime and the knowledge you aquired. Wouldn't you wanna try a different difficulty like is starting out poor or with defects just to challenge yourself to see how you handle the situation without knowing who you are by simply learning as you go.

Imagine playing Paris Hilton 10 times... It might look fun to live like that but once the "Paris Hilton" game is done and you have played it two times and look at you two games analyzing you will realize you learnt nothing the second time, you gained no knowledge. You want diversity and learn nothing from hitting the replay button. Its like playing the same song over and over, you will get tired of it shortly. Eventually you wanna start playing the game at the Hard mode to experience the full aspect of the game, to have knowledge about everything.


If it was me looking upon my recent lives I would reincarnate in a situation I have not experienced before, see how I handled myself in that hard situation without knowing anything. Only time I would repeat a certain reincarnation is if I played it terrible, just to correct myself or punish myself, to get it right! Its just a game and after a short time I will be looking upon myself and how I handled the game. The next time I run it, I would increase the difficulty or try another aspect of it =)


I will be a good soul and play my game. One thing is for certain though, if I get to chose how I wanna play it the next time, I wont get near a civilization that has "Money", it makes me wanna puke.

[Dennis Leahy]

There's another way to look at Newton's work. It's like the game "Telephone" where a message is whispered down the line until it reaches the end, and then the original message is compared to the final message, to the great amusement of everyone involved.

... People under hypnosis may be interpreting what they are experiencing. Newton may be interpreting their interpretations. The end result is an elaborate story that very much resembles ancient religions.

So, how do we know we are not doing the exact same thing humans have been doing since the beginning -- making things up?

Do you think you would know? Not from reading others words, but if you actually experienced remembering/experiencing spirit form and the mechanism of reincarnation, do you think you could be fooled?

It seems (based on what so many individuals reported experiencing) that if I experiened it, I would finally and absolutely know for sure.

The subjects did not collaborate and exchange notes - the similarities in their experiences were noted, as a pattern, by Newton, and he presents some of what can be articulated (in his first book especially.) It appears to me that what they describe is far beyond what anyone could conjure in imagination, and the specific details were confirmed by each person that underwent this specialized hypnotherapy.

Dennis

[Tantauri]

do we activley decide to come back?
and have our memorys wiped.
so we come from source.live our life here on earth,die,return to source,then choose to come back again.

if this is the case what is our mission.there must be a reason us to keep returning.

and if we cannot remember the previous life or lives,then what is the point.

trying to understand

Dear Manny,
Those are all excellent questions. As Bill has said, think of life as a game started long ago with the same purpose as any game; Fun, amusement, challenge and with an overall goal of spiritual improvement.
You are correct, not much good if we can’t remember and learn from our experiences. So being able to recall is an ability we need to improve or gain or more correctly regain. Same as in most things, there are different levels of ability for different folks. But lots of people willing and able to be teachers and help: See Bill’s list of books on the subject.
As to actively choosing to return and memory loss, most of us are sort of on automatic pilot on that, if you will. But again with varying levels of ability to decide parents, where, when etc. and to remember our past.
The important thing is that it is definitely possible to know answers and that you are on the right track.
I hope that helps.

[Fred Steeves]

So, since I have a new thread, I might as well use it. Let's examine some of the problems that produced this new thread.

Intolerance is one, specifically intolerance of opposing viewpoints. This would seem to be contrary to the spirit of Avalon, known for giving those holding opposing views (whistle-blowers) a forum, but I may have misunderstood the true nature of that spirit.




Like anywhere else, once you discover who's tolerent of opposing viewpoints and who's not, it becomes simpler to decide how to proceed.


On a different note if you can find it, "Adventures in Consciousness" by Jane Roberts is a fascinating book.. Basically her read on it is that there is no linear path of incarnation, it's all simultaneous but at different levels of understanding, as there is no time per say. Definately not your run of the mill take on reincarnation.


Cheers,
Fred S.

[manny]

don,t know if this may sound right .
or if its appropiate on this thread.
as i write this minutes pass.
before you know it a hour has passed.
then three.
then a day.
then a week.
a year.
what is time in our lives?
are we not recalling our life from somewhere else?
watching it as a movie.
you.ve heard of the saying..
my life passed before me.
deja vue maybe a glitch in the movie.a quick rerun?

just thinking out of the box

[Hawkwind]

My point is that humans jump to conclusions that appeal to them (or are the only ones available to them), when in reality the conclusions are just plain wrong. How many times in our history have we done that with religions, attributing real phenomena to gods? Or with science, attributing real phenomena to comfortable paradigms that were flawed? We are still doing it, we just have no simple way of knowing when and where we are doing it. The important thing to be aware of is that we are still doing it!

First, this is an attempt to share information and an opinion, it is not an attempt to "butt heads". Rene Descarte said "I think therefore, I am." is the only thing we can be absolutely sure of. Everything else is to one degree or another based on conjecture. The movie "The Matrix" was a wonderful exposition of that idea. Absolutely everything that Neo thought was real was an illusion, which he was only able to realize once outside it. But as Morpheus points out, what is "real"? What if the world which Morpheus considered real turned out to be just another Matrix? What if this world that most consider "real" is just an illusion? What difference does it make? Both the conditions of our perceived reality and of our consciousness are in a constant state of flux. We form ideas and opinions based on our current perceptions. As conditions and perceptions change we adjust or reformulate our ideas and opinions. Are the perceptions that people have had of previous lives "real" or merely perceived as such? Either way, they are merely mental constructs within the consciousness perceiving them. If the mystics are right there is only one consciousness and what we perceive as time, space, matter, life is an illusion. If so, for whatever reason, the consciousness in me has entered this particular illusion/reality. I find my experience within it more enjoyable and growthful when I interact with the other inhabitants of this illusion/reality with love, compassion and joy. If I someday find out that the whole thing was just a video game, I don't think I will regret having played.

[manny]

vannilla sky
comes to mind
tom cruise movie.

[trenairio]

My point is that humans jump to conclusions that appeal to them (or are the only ones available to them), when in reality the conclusions are just plain wrong. How many times in our history have we done that with religions, attributing real phenomena to gods? Or with science, attributing real phenomena to comfortable paradigms that were flawed? We are still doing it, we just have no simple way of knowing when and where we are doing it. The important thing to be aware of is that we are still doing it!

First, this is an attempt to share information and an opinion, it is not an attempt to "butt heads". Rene Descarte said "I think therefore, I am." is the only thing we can be absolutely sure of. Everything else is to one degree or another based on conjecture. The movie "The Matrix" was a wonderful exposition of that idea. Absolutely everything that Neo thought was real was an illusion, which he was only able to realize once outside it. But as Morpheus points out, what is "real'? What if the world which Morpheus considered real turned out to be just another Matrix? What if this world that most consider "real" is just an illusion? What difference does it make? Both the conditions of our perceived reality and of our consciousness are in a constant state of flux. We form ideas and opinions based on our current perceptions. As conditions and perceptions change we adjust or reformulate our ideas and opinions. Are the perceptions that people have had of previous lives "real" or merely perceived as such? Either way, they are merely mental constructs within the consciousness perceiving them. If the mystics are right there is only one consciousness and what we perceive as time, space, matter, life is an illusion. If so, for whatever reason, the consciousness in me has entered this particular illusion/reality. I find my experience within it more enjoyable and growthful when I interact with the other inhabitants of this illusion/reality with love, compassion and joy. If I someday find out that the whole thing was just a video game, I don't think I will regret having played.


To paraphrase what Buddha said, "The Reality[ies] of Form is[are] not real at all, for it is always in an undergoing state of change and impermanence."

[king anthony]

To paraphrase what Buddha said, "The Reality[ies] of Form is[are] not real at all, for it is always in an undergoing state of change and impermanence."

Is to speak the words of another not depriving one of original thought!? What if the words of another are deceptions, either by chance or design; would it not perpetuate the said!?

[NancyV]

Reincarnation is usually interpreted as a linear event as in "past lives", but I agree with those who do not see it as linear. There is irrefutable evidence that many people can remember other lives in great detail, details that can often be confirmed and that they had no knowledge of in their present life. Some of the most wonderful memories of other lives are presented by young children. So I am comfortable with the conclusion that memories of other lives are a real and verifiable occurrence.

Most definitions of reincarnation are too limiting, in my opinion. There does not need to be one set definition because there are many ways we may remember other lives. For example, if you either die or leave your body consciously and merge with other beings who have led lives on the earth plane, you acquire all their memories as though they are your own, because merging makes you one being. If you take it to the extreme and consider that we ALL merge when rejoining the Source, then you would be the ONE who lived all the lives that have ever been lived.

I prefer to not limit or define reincarnation in any finite terms, but allow it to encompass many and varied possibilities. That way I don't have to tell someone else their theory is wrong. I could say their theory or definition is one of the many possible explanations for experiences of alternate life memories.

Nancy :)

[Lord Sidious]

None of this was an attack against you. The threads are simply about the subjects in the titles. That's all. What I tried to do was to help your desire to understand more.

Thank you for the explanation, Bill. It's greatly appreciated.

This experience has demonstrated to me that I am a bit sensitive about being censored. That was the first thing I "felt", and the emotion was certainly fogging my thinking. When I think about it, I believe it is because censorship is the chain that binds us, and I desperately want to see the mind of humanity freed. Knowledge is so bound up and controlled that I feel like a man that is being denied air, like I'm being smothered sometimes. I just want to breathe, and I believed that Avalon is the sanctuary I was searching for where I could breathe. I just don't want my hopes dashed.

Could you do me a favor? Since the thread was started in my name, would you allow me to rename it? I would like to call it "Reincarnation - alternative views". It's not that I dismiss reincarnation as being impossible, rather I question if our explanations for our experiences are accurate. That's really what I would like to explore, and what I was exploring with my posts in Sepia's thread.

Don't worry nugget, you aren't one of the posters that causes issues on the forum, so I doubt anyone feels a need to censure or censor you.

[3optic]

vannilla sky
comes to mind
tom cruise movie.


[Visiting an ancient battlefield] "The Carthaginians defending the city were attacked by three Roman legions. The Carthaginians were proud and brave but they couldn't hold. They were massacred. Arab women stripped them of their tunics and their swords and lances. The soldiers lay naked in the sun. Two thousand years ago. I was here."

-George C Scott as General Patton remembers his previous life as Hannibal in the movie 'Patton'

[manny]

None of this was an attack against you. The threads are simply about the subjects in the titles. That's all. What I tried to do was to help your desire to understand more.

Thank you for the explanation, Bill. It's greatly appreciated.

This experience has demonstrated to me that I am a bit sensitive about being censored. That was the first thing I "felt", and the emotion was certainly fogging my thinking. When I think about it, I believe it is because censorship is the chain that binds us, and I desperately want to see the mind of humanity freed. Knowledge is so bound up and controlled that I feel like a man that is being denied air, like I'm being smothered sometimes. I just want to breathe, and I believed that Avalon is the sanctuary I was searching for where I could breathe. I just don't want my hopes dashed.

Could you do me a favor? Since the thread was started in my name, would you allow me to rename it? I would like to call it "Reincarnation - alternative views". It's not that I dismiss reincarnation as being impossible, rather I question if our explanations for our experiences are accurate. That's really what I would like to explore, and what I was exploring with my posts in Sepia's thread.

Don't worry nugget, you aren't one of the posters that causes issues on the forum, so I doubt anyone feels a need to censure or censor you.
are there people causing issues on this forum?
if there is then share your knowledge,and enlighten them.

people have issues.if one can help .
is that not a brilliant acheivement to self,knowing that you have helped another.
whether they are right or wrong.
;)

[Arrowwind]

do we activley decide to come back?
and have our memorys wiped.
so we come from source.live our life here on earth,die,return to source,then choose to come back again.

if this is the case what is our mission.there must be a reason us to keep returning.

and if we cannot remember the previous life or lives,then what is the point.

trying to understand

But all is carried within the high self... and those who do remember though hypnosis or meditation show us that we do remember subconconsciously... and many of our behaviors and choices do have a subconscious motivating factor... so it it not that we don't remember it is that we hav not consciously accessed the memory

[Lord Sidious]

None of this was an attack against you. The threads are simply about the subjects in the titles. That's all. What I tried to do was to help your desire to understand more.

Thank you for the explanation, Bill. It's greatly appreciated.

This experience has demonstrated to me that I am a bit sensitive about being censored. That was the first thing I "felt", and the emotion was certainly fogging my thinking. When I think about it, I believe it is because censorship is the chain that binds us, and I desperately want to see the mind of humanity freed. Knowledge is so bound up and controlled that I feel like a man that is being denied air, like I'm being smothered sometimes. I just want to breathe, and I believed that Avalon is the sanctuary I was searching for where I could breathe. I just don't want my hopes dashed.

Could you do me a favor? Since the thread was started in my name, would you allow me to rename it? I would like to call it "Reincarnation - alternative views". It's not that I dismiss reincarnation as being impossible, rather I question if our explanations for our experiences are accurate. That's really what I would like to explore, and what I was exploring with my posts in Sepia's thread.

Don't worry nugget, you aren't one of the posters that causes issues on the forum, so I doubt anyone feels a need to censure or censor you.
are there people causing issues on this forum?
if there is then share your knowledge,and enlighten them.

people have issues.if one can help .
is that not a brilliant acheivement to self,knowing that you have helped another.
whether they are right or wrong.
;)

Yeah, we have a few trolls and such like here.
I am trying to help them, but I am still struggling on figuring out how to get my fist through the vbulleting software.

[Flash]

Hi chicodoodoo,

I would like to show you something I "stole" from another thread that is related with "all starts within". This post explains it 100 times better than I could.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15909-My-ET-contact-experiences-(discussions-Q-A-panel-etc.)/page8 post 143


From OnyxKnight thread: My ET contact experiences (discussions/Q&A panel etc.)

"Everything is crucial part of the Multiverse, you included. If you had the ultimate microscopic technology, or the ultimate telescope (macroscopic) technology, whether you zoomed in on yourself, or far away in the distant point in space, you would see after zooming through the preons, the bosons, the 'vibratons' and "strings", you reach a large sub-quantum area of your physio-energetic being, that if you keep going further down in observation, you would notice the outlines of another sea of "dots", which are actually other universes, in which beings of some kind live. Same result if you zoom out there in space, having the most advanced telescope, you would see the edges of our universe, and notice that there are other ones, larger and smaller, situated nearby, probably part of the quantum make up of another being. The Multiverse works in fractals. You are the macroscopic representation of, to your own perception, smaller, mini-universes, and at the same time, a microscopic fractal representation of this entire universe, and other universes out there. An even more microscopic fractal representation if you consider that those universes are sub-quantum representations of something bigger, and most likely, in some way or form, alive, just like you."[/I] ~ Hulma, my contact from Nembus.



The DNA does have a connection to the 'higher self', because all these segments are still parts of one being. In a sense, you would "survive" without a physical body, I mean, further exist, but the 'Higher Self', as a part of the soul/spirit, no. Its our basis to who we are, intelligently put together piles of energetic particles, who grouping in further complexity gain density and weight, and become us.




Everything is a microcosm, and a macrocosm at the same time. The smallest particle, or point seems to be the outline of another universe and this who universe is also an elementary dot, constituting the smallest building blocks of something else. I was a proponent of the whole, interconnectedness thing (as its part of standard spiritual beliefs), but this information really took it to a whole other level.

The Multiverse thus, really is, infinite

This is what I was talking about when I said in another thread that everything starts within, that work from within on yourself, there will be a result outward. Work on a molecule or an atom outward, there will be change within. I just did not have the hard scientific vocabulary. My view or feeling is, I think, far from not seeing the truth, or being brainwash with stupidity.

However, what I truly enjoy with your comments is that you provoke me into thinking and feeling deeper in order to be able to express what I see or to find other adequate descriptions.

Thank to OxyKnight and Hulma his friend.

To the pleasure of sharing diverging points of view with you Chicodoodoo

Editing: forgot about reincarnation: put all the above in a multidimensional, multi time, curved space and time or anything else universe. Put the higher self playing the game and investing itself where it desires. There it is. (Have you ever played the SIMS game? We are the SIMS of GOD or the Higher Self, if you play SIMS, you invest yourself in the caracters, simulatneously or on a time basis, it does not matter, time is often simultaneous even in SIMS)

[king anthony]

In keeping with my post #11 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16933-Reincarnation-alternative-views&p=181988#post181988)in this thread, I say the following. Read it as a whole and not in part, lest the overall thought be missed.

Reincarnation; if it were true, what does it matter 'who' you once were, as how does it aid you now? Does not this 'need to know' simply satisfy human arrogance!?

If the current human experience is, but a part of a journey (of the 'everlasting' soul/spirit/energy), then why the need to 'cure' with medical and technological advancements!?

Why the need of self-preservation with defensive/offensive measures, including obtaining food and shelter!? For most, leaving this existence by their own deliberate act is not an option, so then what is this inherent need for continuing this moment in 'time' (existence).

Genetic experimentation to excel and exceed the human body's development and potential (such as having a longer life span) is for what purpose!? Would this not simply 'hold one back' from moving forward to the next part of the everlasting journey!?

What significance is this moment in eternity!? What of the tree's everlasting!? It is said, by those with this belief, that forgetting past lives or the eternal soul/spirit/energy is necessary to develop/learn in this place - yet, these same people seek to uncover that which is forgotten.

Such beliefs say that hardships imposed is for the soul/spirit/energy to learn; are not these things created by human beings - now!? If be fact, that these things are created by human beings, then why seek to make this existence (civilization) a better place!?

If asked, most would say they wish for 'love and light' to be felt by all; if it were possible to do, then would this not change the lessons of this experience!?

Is it the body that evolves or the 'ever lasting' soul/spirit/energy, as people of this belief have discussed the progress of both!? Is not maintaining good health, in the place where all are 'now', a moot endeavor!?

Is it not, that those who have need, have satisfied their own thirst by giving themselves meaning through a belief!? Could it be that truth is not bearable and thus need of comfort replaces it!?

I say, a person stands naked, many 'wolves' come, what will save the person? Beliefs/faiths/opinions and other stories give hope and tell these things prevail; I say if true, how many times has it not!? Are not such strategies used to sell a lottery ticket!?

Reincarnation; if it were true, what does it matter who you once were???

[Carmody]

not quite exactly on topic..but when trying to make or state your case to others who may wish to try understanding or believing in all this....a book or two really stand out. This is one of them:

http://www.amazon.com/Big-Book-Near-Death-Experiences/dp/1571745475

[dan33]

Anybody else wants a coffe?[/QUOTE]
...me,...large, please. ;)
I believe in reincarnation, that's all. If someone don't believe in it, I understand.
I think Chicodoodo is straight and honest. He sings soul and i sign pop, but we always met on the backstage. ;)

l40myDtyaoI

Thanks Chicodoodoo, Sepia and Bill... and all of you. ;)

[truthseekerdan]

Edgar Cayce on Reincarnation (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=163273122724175380#)

163273122724175380#

[Chicodoodoo]

We all assume that our own memories come from our own life experiences. This assumption is part of the foundation of believing in reincarnation.

We also assume that the memories of others come from their life experiences. This assumption is another part of the foundation of believing in reincarnation.

So when we have the memory of others pop up in our own minds, we conclude that we must have had those life experiences in another life as another person.

It makes perfect sense, right? Wrong. The initial assumptions have been contradicted by the conclusion that relies on them. Obviously, our own memories may not come from our own life experiences, and others apparently have this experience as well. So reincarnation may not be the proper explanation for the memory phenomenon that is occurring.

So I’m not saying this “sharing” of memories does not occur. I’m saying that insisting that reincarnation is the explanation for it may be entirely wrong.

[Bill Ryan]

We all assume that our own memories come from our own life experiences. This assumption is part of the foundation of believing in reincarnation.

We also assume that the memories of others come from their life experiences. This assumption is another part of the foundation of believing in reincarnation.

So when we have the memory of others pop up in our own minds, we conclude that we must have had those life experiences in another life as another person.

It makes perfect sense, right? Wrong. The initial assumptions have been contradicted by the conclusion that relies on them. Obviously, our own memories may not come from our own life experiences, and others apparently have this experience as well. So reincarnation may not be the proper explanation for the memory phenomenon that is occurring.

So I’m not saying this “sharing” of memories does not occur. I’m saying that insisting that reincarnation is the explanation for it may be entirely wrong.

Dear Friend -

Please read this account of when I arrived in the West in 1850 from Tibet.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16854-Tell-Your-Reincarnation-Story-Here&p=181225#post181225

If this is not someone's past life recall - then whose memories am I picking up and mistaking them for? That person would be 161 years old now.

Occam's Razor: http://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/everyday-innovations/occams-razor.htm

[Dennis Leahy]

...So when we have the memory of others pop up in our own minds, we conclude that we must have had those life experiences in another life as another person....

So reincarnation may not be the proper explanation for the memory phenomenon that is occurring.

So I’m not saying this “sharing” of memories does not occur. I’m saying that insisting that reincarnation is the explanation for it may be entirely wrong.
That's why I was wondering if YOU feel like you could tell the difference. I feel like I could (but have not had previous life memories to verify it.) In fact, if I can't tell the difference between my own soul's memories and something from the blended 'soup' of other souls' memories, well, then I'd think I had over-analyzed myself and my memories so far as to have no grip on reality at all. You know, like, "Did I really have toast and blackberry jam yesterday morning, or could that be a false-memory from some other being's consciousness?"

Very few people are good at telepathy, and those that are describe it as "fuzzy" and "impressionistic." People recalling past lives recall intimate, specific, vibrant details. These experiences don't seem to be related.

I think one reason that I feel that Michael Newton's book Journey of Souls was the most important book I have read is that it is a synopsis of literally 7,000 people breaking through to memories from time spent between incarnations. That's really critically distinct from past-life memory recall. Does that make sense? Even though the concept of 'dipping into the grand memory pool' theory might tempt you to believe that could be what is happening in past-life regression, when you realize that 7,000 people specifically experienced themselves, from the planning stages of incarnation for this lifetime, through their birth, and into their present life. This cannot be someone else's memory.

Dennis

[Chicodoodoo]

If this is not someone's past life recall - then whose memories am I picking up and mistaking them for?

Thanks, Bill. I love you, as I love all my brothers and sisters, though you may not feel it, given your “recent” horrendous experiences. If I had been your father back in the 1850s, things would have been much better. Ask my children.

I had read your account a few days ago, but I read it again with equal interest. It’s a shame that fathers like this exist, in fact, it’s more than a shame. It’s nearly a crime.

In that account, you said, “In this game we play, remember that nothing really matters.” This does not jive with the importance you give this story, or that you give to your past-life memories. They are important, and things do matter, and this is no game. And those are all reasons why I suspect reincarnation is a faulty explanation for these shared memories. If nothing matters, why would it be necessary to have shared memories?

Ah, my old friend Occam’s Razor. Few things are more misunderstood. When there are multiple explanations of equal validity, the simplest explanation is the preferred one. Why? Because among humans, the greatest common denominator is a simple mind. Simple minds require simple explanations. We tend to simplify everything. Rules of thumb rule. The brain of a human being, though wondrous for us to behold, is no match for the complexity of the universe. With Occam’s Razor as justification, most people assume that the simplest explanation is also the correct explanation, when there is no assurance whatsoever that the simplest explanation is even correct.

I cannot tell you whose memories you are picking up, or how, or why, for I don’t know. I am only human, and my simple brain is no match for the complexity of the universe. I am not afraid to say, “I don’t know.” But that does not deter me from trying to find out. In fact, it drives me forward to seek out the truth, because it is important, and things do matter, and this is no game.

[Bill Ryan]

things do matter, and this is no game.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16185-Life-is-not-a-game&p=177327&viewfull=1#post177327

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Life is a game. All of existence is. But that doesn't mean it's trivial.

Two kids chasing each other in a playground is a game. But so is intergalactic war.

Some games feel serious when we're losing, when it's someone else's game and not our own, when we don't know what the rules are, when it seems impossible to win, or when it seems we have too few players on our side.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic70cVN5IdQ


Game = a purposeful activity with team-mates and/or resources/assets on one's side, and factors/circumstances (or groups, or people) operating against you.

Examples of games:






Chess
Football
Climbing Mount Everest alone
Sending men to the moon before the end of the the decade and bringing them back safely (JFK)
Stopping Adolf Hitler (or anyone else that one doesn't like)
Inventing a working Free Energy machine
Becoming a millionaire
Becoming a parent
Becoming enlightened
Ending unnecessary suffering in this universe

(+ about 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 other examples....)

[Chicodoodoo]

it is a synopsis of literally 7,000 people breaking through to memories from time spent between incarnations. That's really critically distinct from past-life memory recall.

Is it so different? If the correct explanation is something other than reincarnation, it may be no different at all.

You ask if I could tell the difference? No more than anyone else, I suspect. The memories would seem real to me. I've had hallucinations (due to illness) that seemed real to me, and I've seen my brother also have hallucinations due to illness, and he said they were just as real as the waking world.

We are limited to our own consciousness, something we can't even define. Who's to say we don't share it, to some degree?

[Gone001]

If this is not someone's past life recall - then whose memories am I picking up and mistaking them for?

Thanks, Bill. I love you, as I love all my brothers and sisters, though you may not feel it, given your “recent” horrendous experiences. If I had been your father back in the 1850s, things would have been much better. Ask my children.

I had read your account a few days ago, but I read it again with equal interest. It’s a shame that fathers like this exist, in fact, it’s more than a shame. It’s nearly a crime.

In that account, you said, “In this game we play, remember that nothing really matters.” This does not jive with the importance you give this story, or that you give to your past-life memories. They are important, and things do matter, and this is no game. And those are all reasons why I suspect reincarnation is a faulty explanation for these shared memories. If nothing matters, why would it be necessary to have shared memories?

Ah, my old friend Occam’s Razor. Few things are more misunderstood. When there are multiple explanations of equal validity, the simplest explanation is the preferred one. Why? Because among humans, the greatest common denominator is a simple mind. Simple minds require simple explanations. We tend to simplify everything. Rules of thumb rule. The brain of a human being, though wondrous for us to behold, is no match for the complexity of the universe. With Occam’s Razor as justification, most people assume that the simplest explanation is also the correct explanation, when there is no assurance whatsoever that the simplest explanation is even correct.

I cannot tell you whose memories you are picking up, or how, or why, for I don’t know. I am only human, and my simple brain is no match for the complexity of the universe. I am not afraid to say, “I don’t know.” But that does not deter me from trying to find out. In fact, it drives me forward to seek out the truth, because it is important, and things do matter, and this is no game.

With that logic why settle on any conclusion "Maybe the sky isn't blue, I'm not going to settle on blue just because it's the simplest explanation for the skies color, I'll keep searching". What I'm trying to say is, to me at least, reincarnation is as much a fact as the sky being blue (if ya didn't get that). It's not a religious belief or leap of fate, it's pure logic.

I think you underestimate the gut as well. You know... sometimes you just get a gut feeling about certain things, you just KNOW. I have my own past life experiences and I know what they are, I can feel it. It makes sense; it fits like a ****ing glove. That sense of feeling mixed in with my own logic leaves no other option. On top of that there are countless accounts from different people and their own experiences to take into consideration.

Anyway... It's not borrowed memories and it's not as valid an argument. As William said... in his case.. for it to be a borrowed memory there would have to be a 160 year old walking around. Some people have memories going thousands of years back, if those were borrowed memories from people still kicking then I'll eat my laptop. I'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything I'm just really surprised to see your objections here. Maybe I've misunderstood, are you saying you don't think reincarnation is real at all or just not in every case?

Cheers,

Aldous

[Chicodoodoo]

Game = a purposeful activity with team-mates and/or resources/assets on one's side, and factors/circumstances (or groups, or people) operating against you.

Oh, well, of course! If that's the definition we are working with, then I agree with you that life is a game! That wasn't my working definition for "game", which was an amusing, trivial activity of no real importance. Like hide-and-seek on a balmy Georgia evening with all your cousins at Grandma's house.... Now, that's what I call a game!

Just another instance of using the exact same language and neither one understanding a word the other is writing! I hate it when that happens!

[Chicodoodoo]

With that logic why settle on any conclusion

There is some truth to that. Essentially you move from being certain how the world works, to being uncertain. That's not a mindset many people are comfortable with. They want to be sure the sky is blue. They forget that they only perceive it as blue in their minds, and even that is a function of all the chemical reactions that take place everywhere from the cone cells in their retinas to the neurons in their brains. If the sky even has color or is anything like we perceive it is never considered. Everything could simply be vibration, and blue just happens to be the way we perceive the sky when it interacts with our sun's vibrations.


Maybe I've misunderstood, are you saying you don't think reincarnation is real at all or just not in every case?

I'm saying that the idea of reincarnation as a means of explaining the experience of these "alien" memories may be the wrong explanation. It's like in the days of old, the sound of thunder was explained as the hammer of Thor hitting his anvil. There were people that never questioned it. "Can't you hear it? It's as plain as the nose on your face!" What other explanation did they have? The only thing they knew of that resembled thunder was the sound of a hammer hitting an anvil.

[Gone001]

With that logic why settle on any conclusion

There is some truth to that. Essentially you move from being certain how the world works, to being uncertain. That's not a mindset many people are comfortable with. They want to be sure the sky is blue. They forget that they only perceive it as blue in their minds, and even that is a function of all the chemical reactions that take place everywhere from the cone cells in their retinas to the neurons in their brains. If the sky even has color or is anything like we perceive it is never considered. Everything could simply be vibration, and blue just happens to be the way we perceive the sky when it interacts with our sun's vibrations.


Maybe I've misunderstood, are you saying you don't think reincarnation is real at all or just not in every case?

I'm saying that the idea of reincarnation as a means of explaining the experience of these "alien" memories may be the wrong explanation. It's like in the days of old, the sound of thunder was explained as the hammer of Thor hitting his anvil. There were people that never questioned it. "Can't you hear it? It's as plain as the nose on your face!" What other explanation did they have? The only thing they knew of that resembled thunder was the sound of a hammer hitting an anvil.

Yes but we see it as blue. Let me use Time as an an analogy. It's not real, but it is applicable at least as a measurement to us humans therefore giving it some validity. Maybe nothing around us is real and everything we experience is just a manifestation from the mind of the collective consciousness, but right now we take on the form of human beings and in our world the sky is blue.

I get what your saying by the Thor's hammer thing but that analogy doesn't work here. Society thought that yes, but we're talking about mainstream society here. We aren't mainstream society. I'm sure back in the days when mainstream society thought the Earth was round there was a group of cunning individuals who thought "Wait a minute.. that can't be right". We here at Avalon are that group not the ones mistaking the Earth for being round or mistaking loud cloud booms as Thor's hammer.

We aren't all one anymore IMHO ... we started out that way yes but then we accumulated our own experiences through our lives thus making us Unique. Our bare consciousness is the same but that's about it. Think about a blob of clay. I then divide the ball into 4 blocks that are exactly the same. I then mold one into a bowl, one into a plate, throw one out the window and use the last one for an ash tray. They at this point are all completely different. They are all clay, sure (they all share this), but each has had it's own experience at my fingertips and each has taken on it's own shape. Maybe one day I can melt them all down again and mix them back up into the same blob, but until then they stand on their own. I know reincarnation to be real and despite popular opinion I believe I'm a unique individual and we are not all one (anymore).

I know reincarnation is the real deal (as do many here). Your here at Avalon now which means you've already gone through some sort of process of seeing that the world isn't as mainstream society says it is. You've probably had your own experiences and done your own research. With that being said, if by this point you don't think past lives are real, I don't know how to help you. It really doesn't matter anyways....

[Hawkwind]

What significance is this moment in eternity!?

Well, it seems to me if the atheists are right and this life is all you've got, then it makes sense to fully invest yourself in the current moment and squeeze ever drop of living out of it that you can- because this one life is all there is. If the mystics are right and you are a part of an eternal universal consciousness, then it makes sense to fully invest yourself in the current moment and squeeze every drop of living you can out of it- because you are all there is. About the only practical difference I can see is that the mystics' path is more oriented toward joy and the atheists' toward fear. I guess I'll find out if I chose the right one after I die. :playball:

[ViralSpiral]

Michael Newton's book Journey of Souls. When I was searching, this book made the biggest impact. There is a thread asking which movies helped one's "awakening", it was books for me, and this one is top of my list.

F.y.i and discernment....I saw this documentary some time back. Alas, I cant find a better version than this at the moment:

cdmMEKPFDTY&feature=related

or this one


MuwtDawOIN8

[oceanz]

Firstly, I haven't read any books on reincarnation, haven't experienced it myself or know anybody who has been reincarnated.

To me, I liken reincarnation to plants - some lie dormant for seasons before re-seeding and re-emerging.

Why is it when some animals/insects etc are born they instinctively know what to do to survive without guidance...surely, it is not as simple as 'survival of the fittest'.

Are intense memories imprinted into our energy? Is this energy stored in our unconsciousness where these memories/informations are generally untapped?

As each of us carries the 50% genes from biological father and 50% genes from biological mother and therefore 25% from each grandparent and so on - does the energy (with the imprinted memories) still exsist in a dormant form in our unconscious mind and under certain circumstances shows itself?

Like living organs that are donated (e.g "eyes") transipients have been known to have organ donor memories. Just as organs are living so is energy as it never really is destroyed, only displaced.

My hope is then that whatever energy is left when we pass would be positively charged to circulate in the higher currents of earth as negative energy weighs people down and is not something human beings should be prolonged to...

[jorr lundstrom]

King Anthony:


What significance is this moment in eternity!?

This moment is eternity.:kiss:

[Lord Sidious]

King Anthony:


What significance is this moment in eternity!?

This moment is eternity.:kiss:

It feels like it, let me tell ya.

[aroundthetable]

Better to try and get things right in THIS life rather than spending too much energy on trying to figure out your last ones. Accepting the principle of reincarnation however is beneficial to your spiritual progress.

In this life we have trouble remembering even what we did yesterday, what to speak of millions of years.

[king anthony]

I guess I'll find out if I chose the right one after I die.

I say, keep in mind the entirety of my words (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16933-Reincarnation-alternative-views&p=182695#post182695).

Many have the luxury of faith, belief and opinion; some have the false sense of safety with uncertainty and confusion; few have the burden of neither.

True, for some, 'time' will tell of the truth; missing opportunity that is.

[Dale]

I find legitimate accounts of reincarnation, or past life recall, to be made of three differing factors:

1) A subconscious mechanism to make sense of conflicting memories or repressed emotions/events.

2) A brief, conscious connection to the underlying field in which our DNA "communicates" with (one may refer to this as genetic memory).

3) A legitimate case of recalling a life in which your essence, or a portion of it, was contained in a different vehicle, either here or elsewhere.

For example, I hold a very strong affinity toward the Appalachia region of the United States, particularly Tennessee and Georgia. I could conclude that I had a previous incarnation in this area at one time, but I could also conclude that I have a subconscious fixation for this region based on a childhood experience in which my parents would not allow me to visit the state of Georgia with my grandparents, or that I have a particular "genetic memory" of this area. In my case, it's very likely that my affinity for this region stems mainly from a recent "genetic memory," likely Lamarckian in nature, as my mother's side of the family has lived in Tennessee for generations.

It can be difficult determining which is which for each case, as there are no scientific mechanisms/tests to help aid in narrowing down the selection; the only exception being an exemplar instance of regression.

[king anthony]

1) A subconscious mechanism to make sense of conflicting memories or repressed emotions/events.

2) A brief, conscious connection to the underlying field in which our DNA "communicates" with (one may refer to this as genetic memory...

...I have a particular "genetic memory" of this area. In my case, it's very likely that my affinity for this region stems mainly from a recent "genetic memory," likely Lamarckian in nature, as my mother's side of the family has lived...

Bloodlines, which are 'genetic memory' (Lamarckian), relates to my post #11 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16933-Reincarnation-alternative-views&p=181988#post181988). The 'same specific template' can be used in the 'same specific bloodline', which would account for the examples expressed in your post. As well, 'templates' may not be exclusive to a bloodline.

This would also account for why no one has true 'future life' recall ('genetic memory' / Lamarckian), as it would be using a 'template of a biological operating system' not yet in use or made. There is no 'time', as it is an illusion - a tool created to govern existence through measurement.

However, existence is not an illusion and the 'now' is reality, which is 'everlasting'; change the perception of now and the reality is changed; not as a hologram or television station, rather, simply of what is - something that was, existed; and traces of that existence is found (in various forms); that which has not been, is yet to be - however, it is still 'the now'. This is becoming off topic, however, needed introduction as it relates to this reply.

@ ALL - I say, my objective is not to convince anyone of anything, believe what one will; do not believe what I say or that of another. I will say, my objective is to promote, hopefully inspire, others to search for real truths themselves; and if one wishes to remain firm in a belief afterwards - then truly, the freedom of choice has been made.

I say again, what will save one from 'tomorrow' - pleasant thoughts alone!?

[Hawkwind]

I guess I'll find out if I chose the right one after I die.
I say, keep in mind the entirety of my words (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16933-Reincarnation-alternative-views&p=182695#post182695).

I did, my friend, and listened also to the reverberations from the well whence they sprang. I'm just not in the habit of quoting entire posts in my responses.


Many have the luxury of faith, belief and opinion; some have the false sense of safety with uncertainty and confusion; few have the burden of neither.

I suppose I'm one of the lucky few then. When I said "I guess I'll find out when I die", I was actually being a bit playfully facetious. I know where I'm going, because I know who and what I am. It's not a matter of faith, belief or opinion. It's a direct experience of Truth at the core of my being. There's an old Taoist story that goes:
Chang Tzu dreamed he was a butterfly. When he awoke he didn't know if he was Chang Tzu who had dreamed of being a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming that he was Chang Tzu.

My guess is that after a few more dreams Chang Tzu discovered exactly who he was.


I say again, what will save one from 'tomorrow' - pleasant thoughts alone!?

John 8:32- And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

[Chicodoodoo]

My guess is that after a few more dreams Chang Tzu discovered exactly who he was.

My guess is that after a few more dreams Chang Tzu realized that he would never know exactly who he was, but that it didn't matter, because what he was changed from moment to moment.

[king anthony]

Chang Tzu dreamed he was a butterfly. When he awoke he didn't know if he was Chang Tzu who had dreamed of being a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming that he was Chang Tzu.

John 8:32- And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Has not human arrogance complicated the uncomplicated!? Has not thought been clouded through deceit either by chance or design!? Have not the things many hold as truth been created with purpose, serving only the few who created it!? What measure is the journey, of seeking truth, if it be from only one path!? I say, if comfort is what one seeks, they shall find it; and if comfort is obtained then they will surely have it.

[Hawkwind]

Has not human arrogance complicated the uncomplicated!?
Yes.

Has not thought been clouded through deceit either by chance or design!?
Yes.

Have not the things many hold as truth been created with purpose, serving only the few who created it!?
Hell, yes!

What measure is the journey, of seeking truth, if it be from only one path!?
Though there are many paths up the mountain, the view from the top is the same.

I say, if comfort is what one seeks, they shall find it; and if comfort is obtained then they will surely have it.
"The lust for comfort, that stealthy thing that enters the house as a guest, and then becomes a host, and then a master."- Khalil Galbrain

I agree entirely that each must find their own path and seek their own truth. I'd also agree that each must guard against the complacency of mistaking any given degree of truth for the journey's end. If I'm still here, I haven't learned everything I need to learn by being here.

(Sorry if this has gotten off topic. Suggest we either take this to PMs or start a new thread if it seems useful to discuss further.)

[Chicodoodoo]

(Sorry if this has gotten off topic. Suggest we either take this to PMs or start a new thread if it seems useful to discuss further.)

Please, don't be so literal. You are still very much on-topic, for this business of "knowing" is very much the foundation of believing in reincarnation. It is the basis of all beliefs, whether those beliefs are true or not.

I don't want to see just like-minded thinkers in this thread. I want to see all thinkers.

Great comments from both you and Anthony! Teach me more.

[shiva777]

when you REMEMBER that everything happens at ONCE..no time...then you realise that all these speculations,distractions and self- aggrandising "reincarnational stories", that so many are so eager to spread,are pretty trivial....every tom,dick,harry and bill claims to have been "arthur" or akhenaten or whomever,so what?..

ask yourselves,for what reason do people feel the need to tell others about their POSSIBLE past incarnations..it's usually done to influence others perceptions of them and to boost their own ego's

if it helps somebody to know their past life issues and deal with them then that is a personal issue,no need to tell others about the specifics..i.e..who you believe you were etc.

you are who you are now and at the same time you are an Avatar God being(remember... no-time)..so don't be impressed or derailed by POSSIBLE future or past "you's" or who other people claim to have been..you,EVERYBODY ,has been and have been both the most unaware entity and the most aware entity possible at ALL TIMES...when you fully awaken you will realise you are that now and eternally

[aroundthetable]

Game = a purposeful activity with team-mates and/or resources/assets on one's side, and factors/circumstances (or groups, or people) operating against you.

Oh, well, of course! If that's the definition we are working with, then I agree with you that life is a game! That wasn't my working definition for "game", which was an amusing, trivial activity of no real importance. Like hide-and-seek on a balmy Georgia evening with all your cousins at Grandma's house.... Now, that's what I call a game!

Just another instance of using the exact same language and neither one understanding a word the other is writing! I hate it when that happens!

I believe your definition of a game is perfectly correct. With a game the rules are clear and noone gets hurt. If Bill believes life is a game that is his right.

[king anthony]

...if it helps somebody to know their past life issues and deal with them then that is a personal issue...

If I may add; if these things were meant to be recalled on to aid, then they would have been made easier to reflect on.

[shiva777]

...if it helps somebody to know their past life issues and deal with them then that is a personal issue...

If I may add; if these things were meant to be recalled on to aid, then they would have been made easier to reflect on.

if you resonate with the idea that our DNA has been messed with by negative entities ,then you don't think along those lines Anthony

[shiva777]

Just another instance of using the exact same language and neither one understanding a word the other is writing! I hate it when that happens![/QUOTE]

Aroundthetable wrote.."I believe your definition of a game is perfectly correct. With a game the rules are clear and noone gets hurt. If Bill believes life is a game that is his right.[/QUOTE]"

yeah,,,it's a hi-jacked "game"..the game, rules and the players abilities have been manipulated and distorted..I believe that originally the ONE who created this "game of life" did intend that the rules would be clear and no one would get hurt but there were some glitches in the matrix that was created...reincarnation as most people know it is NOT NATURAL..it is a result of spiritual architecture being manipulated so negative beings could recycle our energies and process unpleasant energies for them so they could survive...they distorted our DNA coding so we lost our abilities to connect to ETERNAL LIVING LIGHT/conciousness EASILY and hence could be easily controlled and manipulated and vampirised...for those interested in how the original intention of this "game of life" was sidetracked..read this,it's a very eye opening article

http://www.pfcn.net/Bulletins/Flaw%20in%20Creation%20-%20July%202007.pdf

[king anthony]

...if you resonate with the idea that our DNA has been messed with by negative entities ,then you don't think along those lines...

I am not sure the direction of your words, as my reply to your quote did not mention anything about 'negative entities'.

[truthseekerdan]

Remembrances of Lives Past (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/fashion/29PastLives.html) - The New York Times (article)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/fashion/29PastLives.html

[Arrowwind]

I would like to note that no matter what time is and no matter if all things exist at once, we live according to a perception of linear time so our translations of memory of reincarnation is in linear form.

If it is not so you would not address this current life or even today in a linear fashion....you would not measure your day with a clock nor a year with a calendar.

You can have lots of high falluting ideas on what time is and all things being simultaneous, but you have not the capacity to prove it, nor are you currently living your life as though those ideas are true..

[Realeyes]

I saw this wonderful thread the other day and I would like to share with you how a past life has subtly influenced my immediate incarnation; how it was phenomenally healed and to expand upon ‘Soul bleed throughs’ and the greater healing of Self. Please pardon the length; it’s the shortest I could do without distorting it.

From birth I had conscious memory recalls of 4 past lives but grew up in a family unaware of such things so I kept my secret and confusion to myself. In one of these past lives I was an intelligent young Polish lad with hopes to pursue my passion of composing piano concertos. I also spoke fluently several languages. Around the age of 18 my life’s journey was disrupted with WW2, where I fled Poland hastily and joined up with the French Résistance where my fluency in the German language was put to good use. I was smuggled into Germany with false papers and pretended to be a German citizen but secretly was a part of a group that helped to smuggle out Jewish folk detained mainly from the Dachau concentration camp in the dead of night. It was a harrowing experience only being able to rescue a few on each sortie knowing that many I left behind would not be alive to rescue next time. Anyway, eventually I was caught, gruesomely tortured then shot amongst a standing line-up of dishevelled Jewish folk over what was to become our grave pit.

Back to this present incarnation, I am an English female and throughout my childhood when asleep I always dreamt/spoke in German. This is not my native language, nor have I ever learnt to speak German. I always wanted to learn to play the piano, but never got the opportunity. During my school years I refused adamantly to never attend any lessons that involved WW2 – they were seen as ‘tantrums’ and got me many black marks at school. I could not watch any film in connection to WW2 (and they have played many here in the UK) nor listen to the German language. I just want to point out I have no judgements towards any German people or the war; this was simply a Soul bleed through of another incarnation that in the background haunted me – it was irrational behaviour I had no control over.

I’ve been with my hubby for 21 years, he is half Polish and worked for a big German company ‘Heidelberg’ involving many work trips to Germany. I would pick him up from the airport and the moment the people would disembark many of them were German and just hearing their language would make my knees buckle, my head started swimming and the greatest survival urge to run and hide.

Then something extraordinary happened. In 1998, I was with a group of 26 people making the journey up Mount Sinai to witness the dawn rising. Most of our group took the camel ride in the blackness of night up the mountain, then walking the last part of the journey single file up a narrow path to the summit.

A most curious think happened that I can only think was a physical timeline jump. I was having a conversation with my new friend who was walking right in front of me, with most of the group walking in line behind me. My friend suddenly went silent and I repeated what I had just said; but the reply that came back was now in German! I carried on walking sensing something wasn’t right and listened intently to the conversations I was hearing ahead and behind me – they were all in German, not an English word to be heard. Somehow the English group had been replaced by a group of Germans! For me this was a nightmare turned real, being lost up a huge barren mountain in the darkness of night with a group of people I had no idea who they were and the effects their dear language had on me.

We reached a high ravine and an extremely strong gust of wind spun out of nowhere and literally swept me up off my feet towards the cliff edge where I would have surely met my death. Everything became slow motion as I floated in the air helpless. Suddenly a pair of strong arms grabbed my waist and prevented me tumbling to my death. In that moment there was an energy/frequency change all around me; it was as if I had just been bathed in a loving light although I saw no light. A very tall German lady was now speaking to me, asking if I was okay as she settled me back on my feet. Something in that magical moment had been healed deep within myself on a Soul level; her voice speaking in German sounded like a beautiful melody!

I walked with this German group for around another 10 minutes when I decided to stop and wait for my English group to arrive that I logically guessed must be behind us because the German party certainly walked a very quick pace. There was no sign of my English group; in the end I walked to the summit on my own to find a couple who had stayed in the tea hut for the night. I asked them where the German group had gone, but they shook their heads, I was the first person to arrive! In dribs and drabs my group finally arrived, each one of them had found themselves suddenly on their own around the same time as me – each with different stories and bizarre adventures.

I do not really know what happened that night on Mount Sinai but 26 people walking in a line suddenly in a blink all found them selves in a separate reality. For me, I bless this amazing healing experience. Today I have many dear German friends; my old Soul haunts are completely gone – my fragmentation healed.

I share this with you guys because even if we are not aware of past lives, somewhere in our daily lives unconsciously there will be attitudes within our make-up that are bleed throughs of unresolved stuff from our previous lives. I personally have not gone seeking my past lives – yet by observing my thoughts throughout the day or during certain events I have experienced, results in a ‘flash back memory recall’ of where I did something very similar in another lifetime.

IMHO everything I need to know about who I am is present in this incarnation/reality, I do not need to seek who I was before because who I was before, ‘I wear today’ – All is relevant in this Now moment. I know when I have seized the ‘ripe’ moment to go within and heal an attitude, if I am sincere, a grand healing takes place not only within myself here but this healing spreads and affects all the ‘me’s’ of the past who were also affected as ‘flashes’ of these past lives naturally flow through my mind during the healing process. I see all my lives as being simultaneous in a ‘Now moment’. In linear thinking we see a lifetime going from A – Z; yet out of Time, I perceive Time like a ‘spiral’ whereby certain lives can have a very similar frequency (possibly an alignment on the spiral) whereby we can experience sometimes ‘straddling’ between the two in our thoughts and decision making until a healing of the fragmentation is restored to ‘Onement’.

For me, the above personal story resulted because I had fragmented in a past life through trauma that bleed through into this one. I am very thankful that this fragmentation of Self has been healed. By seizing the ‘ripe’ moment when it appears and healing in this way I have naturally become aware of so many of my past lives that have taught me ‘why’ and ‘whom’ I am today. I share my personal wisdom that I have learnt with the intent that it might resonate with others understanding their own Soul-full journeys of Self. :hug:

[truthseekerdan]

Beautiful testimony, thank you Realeyes! :hug:

With love ~ Dan

[Arrowwind]

I saw this wonderful thread the other day and I would like to share with you how a past life has subtly influenced my immediate incarnation; how it was phenomenally healed and to expand upon ‘Soul bleed throughs’ and the greater healing of Self. Please pardon the length; it’s the shortest I could do without distorting it.

:hug:

You may want to put your story at this link, Realeyes.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16854-Tell-Your-Reincarnation-Story-Here

[Selene]

If I may, some comments on previous posts here: (And please see my post in the “Tell your Reincarnational Story” for my personal background on this topic. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16854-Tell-Your-Reincarnation-Story-Here&p=184041#post184041).

Manny, you asked:


... if this is the case what is our mission. there must be a reason us to keep returning.

and if we cannot remember the previous life or lives, then what is the point....

The point is, quite simply, that this life, this present moment, this Now is actually the sum total of all those previous lives. You are here now. And your present situation - right here, with all its problems and opportunities - as you are sitting at your terminal represents the sum total of all those previous experiences. Really.

So, being fully “here”, in the present, to fully appreciate your present life, is really all that you actually need to know about your past to function fully into the future. The details of “how you got here” don’t really matter. It’s really only of passing interest. Your life now is what matters

This is, of course, a more complex topic. But that will get you started.

Revere, you commented:


....So, my explanation (in progress) centers on the possibility of this information coming from the Information field or Akashic field that we live in. Is it possible that we experience information so direct from a previous life that we assume it is our own?

Yes, this does happen – these are generally felt as ‘vibes’ about a place or thing, but without any particular emotional involvement on your part.

The critical difference about a true reincarnational memory is the emotional charge that it carries. It is meaningful to you in an emotional way that can only involve your personal experience of the time or place. The memory can be fond, or fearful, repulsive or joyous. But it has a wholeness; it is unmistakably yours. A true reincarnational memory has an unshakeable emotional ‘ownership’ on your part.

And that is one of the reasons I always caution others about accepting at face value what anyone else – no matter how highly you may regard them or how well meaning they may be – might tell you about “your previous lives”. If their comments don’t resonate deeply with you at some “emotional recognition” level, let them pass. Trust yourself first. Trust your own inner recognition.

And Chicodoodoo added:


.... So, how do we know we are not doing the exact same thing humans have been doing since the beginning -- making things up?

Cico, see my comments above: it’s the emotional recognition.

Per your interesting comment, King Anthony:


Bloodlines, which are 'genetic memory' (Lamarckian), relates to my post #11. The 'same specific template' can be used in the 'same specific bloodline', which would account for the examples expressed in your post. As well, 'templates' may not be exclusive to a bloodline.

The bloodline/genetic memory concept is an interesting one, except that I know from my own experience (~3,000 years of reincarnational memory) that the vast majority of my previous lives have had no bloodline/genetic relation to my present family’s bodies. While I have lived previous lives with certain family members in other times and places, in no case that I can recall have those lives been within my present genetic heredity. But the genetic component can, admittedly, vary case by case. Some individuals do indeed choose to reincarnate again and again within the same ethnic or familial lineage. There’s no ‘one size fits all’.

Cheers,

Selene

[king anthony]

The bloodline/genetic memory concept is an interesting one... ...familial lineage. There’s no ‘one size fits all’.

Thank you for quoting my post; however, it appears you have only captured part of the whole of thought. I'm sure my PM will aid in clarifying the whole.

[Gone001]

when you REMEMBER that everything happens at ONCE..no time...then you realise that all these speculations,distractions and self- aggrandising "reincarnational stories", that so many are so eager to spread,are pretty trivial....every tom,dick,harry and bill claims to have been "arthur" or akhenaten or whomever,so what?..

You know it's people like you that make people like me glad that we haven't spoken up in regards to our own stories. "speculations, distractions and self-aggrandising 'reincarnation stories', that so many are eager to spread are pretty trivial." are you aware of how ignorant that statement is? Who are you to say whats speculation or distraction when it comes to someones personal experiences? Who are you to call those people self- aggrandising (read your post back and remember the phrase 'pot calling the kettle black)? Who are you to say whats trivial?

Some people are interested in their pasts and feel they can learn from it, that's their choice. If this leads to spiritual or personal growth then it's neither trivial nor a distraction. The genetic/ bloodline memory thing is interesting but it doesn't fit IMHO. Time may not be real in the sense that that it's Saturday everywhere in our Universe but it has it's use's in regards to a measurement. In this dimension, in this density we perceive things in a linear fashion. We age... things don't stand still and we don't sit within one single moment. If I throw a ball through the air it moves from point A to point B. With this in mind how can the bloodline thing make sense? We would all have to be in our first lives stuck in some bizarre kind of limbo.

Also if we were remembering from our DNA and not our soul then we would know and remember EVERYTHING. Why you ask? Because DNA is everywhere not just in people. It's in the air, its in the water it's in our food. We are connected to everything. Technically we even breathe it in through the air which travels to the lungs into the blood stream. So if the genetic theory were in fact correct we would have a non stop influx of memories from the multitude of DNA we come in contact with every day, but we don't we only have gimpses (if we're lucky) into highly personal, emotional memories. This makes me suspect these memories are from our consciousness not our DNA or genetics.

On top of all this have you or King Anthony ever had any of these memories or are you just making assumptions about what other people are experiencing? We experience these things and we know what they are... we aren't stupid and you aren't some Messiah of truth and knowledge switching on the light in our dark rooms. KA I read your explanation of the 'sharing memories with others' theorem, thankyou for trying to explain but it doesn't logically fit for me (especially when I way in my own experiences). Also KA you started a thread stating your soul was 3000 http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13762-Old-Soul-Over-3000-Years-Old-First-Time-Here. How is this possible? If your in your 40's now and have had only one life where have you spent the rest of your time? Shiva I haven't seen you offer any kind of explanation I've only seen you try and discredit others sharing their stories for no visible cause. I have no issue with someone having an opinion but at least try and do it respectfully and intelligently.

Cheers,

Aldous

[Constance]

What about the idea that all time is simultaneous? :)

[Gone001]

What about the idea that all time is simultaneous? :)

Then how do things age?

[Constance]

What about the idea that all time is simultaneous? :)

Then how do things age?

That is a very good question :)

but what I actually asked Aldous, was "WHAT" people thought of the idea...I wasn't making a statement...

[Chicodoodoo]

.... So, how do we know we are not doing the exact same thing humans have been doing since the beginning -- making things up?

Cico, see my comments above: it’s the emotional recognition.

Emotional "recognition" is always the foundation for the persistence of made-up things (like the flat-earth belief, for example), and that's the flaw. Turning it into the justification for making things up is even more flawed.

[Icecold]

What about the idea that all time is simultaneous? :)

It is a distinct possibility Constance.

http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/rc2/hrc2-04.shtml

http://www.eliasforum.org/digests/time_simultaneous.html

http://www.edwardrice.com/threads.html


Simultaneous Time
Definition
We’re spending more and more of our time in what Linda Stone calls “Continuous Partial Attention”, or “Presence Lite”. The idea of one’s presence being “sort of” there in many places, instead of completely there in one place. This could also be called simultaneous time.
Each browser tab has it's own time attached. The time of an SMS has it's own scale, vs. the time of reality. When the user is in many times and places at once without being adjacent territory without being in all of those places. Living is spread across many different distances. Games like Farmville have their own time. If one has 20 browser tabs open and is SMS'ing and sending text messages, and then switches back and forth between all of these things, then that person is only living in pieces of that reality at a time.
Side Effects
Simultaneous time results in continuous partial attention. It also causes social punctuation, as technosocial connectivity seeps into every part of social relations. The brain thinking differently when it has no inputs. When the mind is robbed of those moments of reflection (those abilities to compress like memories into like memories), then it loses the ability to free up space for other thoughts. This reduces one's ability to think, and as a result the brian as operating system suffers (the brain's ability to upgrade decreases). There is mental fragmentation. Not all of the thoughts one has in the brain are stored next to each other anymore.

[dan i el]

i do hope yesterday is not the same as tomorrow but nevertheless what it could mean, everyone is here now, apart from the dead...unless one thinks they are the dead, of course. and essentially that would be reincarnation?

I dont know whether to believe the lama in dharamsala or the ouija board blather from years ago. tbh.

this money wormhole to nowhere avatar is crappy. I am going to try and find something really uplifting for that optic.. what else is there?

But then, the green revolution and oil doubled the global population in a few decades and now those self same plantation "owners" declare we bred too much. What a to do! Like a sacrifice. We will all ascend out of the problem, no worries. peace.

Having studied the figures as best possible I dont even think we are too many yet for Gaiav-- i think it is a need a weird golf course ruse! equality lowers births rates to a sustainable level, surely.

[3optic]

.... So, how do we know we are not doing the exact same thing humans have been doing since the beginning -- making things up?

Cico, see my comments above: it’s the emotional recognition.

Emotional "recognition" is always the foundation for the persistence of made-up things (like the flat-earth belief, for example), and that's the flaw. Turning it into the justification for making things up is even more flawed.

I'm new to the material. i've actually started reading one of the books Bill posted earlier in this thread. Some of the recollections in past life regressions can actually be corroborated according to many of the shrinks involved with these studies. That may be the thing that elevates it above speculative fantasy. Just started reading. Will be back with more. :)

[RedeZra]

there is an etheric light body within the physical body


this etheric body does not die of old age but lives on and so it is more real than the physical body

it is this light body that inhabits and operates the physical body and senses the world around it and so engage the physical body into action

it is possible to live an exclusive etheric life and leave the physical body at will



the universe is not made by humans but Infinite Creative Intelligence

the universe is not governed by humans but Infinite Creative Intelligence


What happens after death is not uniform but since the etheric body survives death it is natural to assume that time be spent in an etheric place more suited to the state of mind

When to come back into physicality is usually up to Infinite Creative Intelligence in co-operation with you


Do not think that you rule this universe ; )

[dan i el]

.... So, how do we know we are not doing the exact same thing humans have been doing since the beginning -- making things up?

Cico, see my comments above: it’s the emotional recognition.

Emotional "recognition" is always the foundation for the persistence of made-up things (like the flat-earth belief, for example), and that's the flaw. Turning it into the justification for making things up is even more flawed.

I'm new to the material. i've actually started reading one of the books Bill posted earlier in this thread. Some of the recollections in past life regressions can actually be corroborated according to many of the shrinks involved with these studies. That may be the thing that elevates it above speculative fantasy. Just started reading. Will be back with more. :)

I find the hypogogic imaging exercises as described from the fourth way by Oupensky quite easy to do and mysterious. A good way to lucid dreams and beyond too for quite a number aoparently.
The idea that these are simulcra from a greater cosmic cosmopolitan experience is new to me though. I definitely entertain this thought.
Chicodoodoo, would you, if you have not, consider trying these exercises over,say, 10 days or so, global alpha particle radiation levels notwithstanding?
Sorry if I constructed my sentence baldly, i am not judged as neurotypical. I think it might be even interesting as proposals go, considering the impetus of the thread and as it came into being. if it is a bad idea everyone, just ignore it, i never said i could post on a computer like a natural.:o:o in terms of reincarnation it would be great if such voices as pertaining to be very briefly mentioned experiences in this thread were full of it and i wasnt here before but even if it were so, i blew it anyway by procreating so now is their inevitable karma? Does Ascension mean death in 4D terms?

All those old strange places in seemingly "real time" that pop into the head sometimes - i just think "so what" tbh, all I can make of it right now is that it is an entertaining diversion..nice in terms of mystery but what be practicably made from such? As such, personally speaking, I say "sowhat" to alleged images/"experiences" from other lives.

[Pilgrim]

selene:

1. The critical difference about a true reincarnational memory is the emotional charge that it carries. It is meaningful to you in an emotional way that can only involve your personal experience of the time or place. The memory can be fond, or fearful, repulsive or joyous. But it has a wholeness; it is unmistakably yours. A true reincarnational memory has an unshakeable emotional ‘ownership’ on your part.

2. And that is one of the reasons I always caution others about accepting at face value what anyone else – no matter how highly you may regard them or how well meaning they may be – might tell you about “your previous lives”. If their comments don’t resonate deeply with you at some “emotional recognition” level, let them pass. Trust yourself first. Trust your own inner recognition.

1.Based on my personal experience I understand this point in the same way. When I went through chain of several lives that were connected to one event in my current life. I tried to manipulate what I had seen first because I had been quite sceptical before not about the subject of reincarnation itself. I actually believed it was possible though I kept my stand of open sceptic, reading some books, articles and talking to people about reincanation subject. Anyway, I wanted to know If it is realy "my experience" I wanted to be sure of that. I wondered if I tapped into some one else´s story or if I was manipulated, or having known about Acashic record if there was an error and I culd see life of some one else. Whenever, I started to go through the stories, which I watched, as much as I tried to change a set up or story line, whenever I wanted to manipulate details, I went always to the same timeline of those stories, the same details, the same feelings, the same emotions which I knew they were unmistakably mine, and even more, they had clearly logical, reasonable and sense making connection to my present personality, who I am now, and troubes which I encountered that time, as same as, all other involved players of the stories in the past and in the current timeline. I believe that emotional connection to the perceived past story might be an evidance the story is actually yours not from some cosmic info databank into which you tapped rendomly.

2. Agree on that one as well, the story resonates with something what we feel inside now. If the explanation or narrative does not resonate with us I woudl consider it as manipulation or fake.

Thank you for your points Selene;) P.

[king anthony]

Who are you to say whats speculation or distraction...

The genetic/ bloodline memory thing is interesting but it doesn't fit IMHO.

...King Anthony ever had any of these memories or are you just making assumptions about what other people are experiencing? We experience these things and we know what they are... we aren't stupid and you aren't some Messiah of truth and knowledge switching on the light in our dark rooms.

KA I read your explanation of the 'sharing memories with others' theorem, thankyou for trying to explain but it doesn't logically fit for me (especially when I way in my own experiences).

Also KA you started a thread stating your soul was 3000. How is this possible? If your in your 40's now and have had only one life where have you spent the rest of your time?

I say, is it one's place to question who others are, when one cannot answer that for themselves!? Many have the luxury of faith, belief and opinion and the few do not - for the burden of the few cannot be other, as the limitations of some are impose.

I say, what I speak is with conviction and to understand this is to know me; that which I cannot speak of with conviction, I remain silent on. I ask, for no one to believe my words but rather seek truths for themselves, and encourage to seek that of 'original knowledge'.

I make no claim to be more then who or what I am. Has it not been, that even those who have claim of greatness and who have done 'divine feats' have been rejected!? I make no claim to such, as I have not hidden behind avatars or false names - for I have even shared all that I was and am with those who wish to know.

Is it not that those who seek to be more then what they are, who are heard the most!? Is it not found within a faith, belief or opinion that gives 'god', 'purpose' or 'more then what is' within themselves or elsewhere!?

That which one seeks binds them and that which one obtains imprisons them. I say, if you have found that which gives you comfort, then why not be content with it!? Is there not more below the surface, if one struggles to maintain its warmth!?

The 'question' I posed, of three-thousand years, was not my statement, rather the statement of others; for I speak with conviction that I know different. Understanding the depth of the 'question' cannot be given, as understanding will be reflected by the 'ears' they fall on.

I say, if what you keep dearest to yourself is 'whole', then be on your way with that and I wish you well - for I have not spoken ill towards anyone; yet, has 'anyone' given the same courtesy in return!?

Anthony

[Selene]

Well said, KA.

You speak with great integrity - and have every bit as much right to your personal philosphy as anyone here. May your path be a source of joy and enlightenment for you, my friend.

All best wishes,

Selene

[king anthony]

...personal philosphy as anyone here.

I say, our private discussion resolved - your true intent now reveals.

[Selene]

.... So, how do we know we are not doing the exact same thing humans have been doing since the beginning -- making things up?

Cico, see my comments above: it’s the emotional recognition.

Emotional "recognition" is always the foundation for the persistence of made-up things (like the flat-earth belief, for example), and that's the flaw. Turning it into the justification for making things up is even more flawed.

Hi, Chico –

The ‘emotional recognition’ I’m referring to is much stronger than the (Malcolm Gladwell-type) ‘blink’ of recognition of something that comes from long experience with a topic and then seeing something else and saying: yeah, I get it.

True reincarnational emotional recognition can be so powerful that it will literally double you over like a punch to the gut. It can leave you gasping for breath, in tears of sorrow or joy, or simply stunned beyond words or expression. It’s real. It’s not merely something you read about and intellectually apprehend or agree with.

I hope this helps to clarify my point. It’s like falling in love. If it’s never happened to you, you might reasonably ask: What’s love got to do with anything?

Until, one fine day, s/he walks into the room and .....!

Cheers,

Selene

[Icecold]

True reincarnational emotional recognition can be so powerful that it will literally double you over like a punch to the gut. It can leave you gasping for breath, in tears of sorrow or joy, or simply stunned beyond words or expression. It’s real. It’s not merely something you read about and intellectually apprehend or agree with.

Well put Selene. You are a master of explaining the mystical experience.

[Sierra]

I have no proof for reincarnation, but I CHOOSE to believe in reincarnation because otherwise I'll turn into a little kid and start shrieking, "THATS NOT FAIR!!!", when I see babies starving to death en mass, and this is their entire "growth and evolution" experience? How logical is that.

So while reincarnation may not be native to my culture, and reincarnation may not hit the nail on the head as currently defined, it sure makes more sense to me than some "Christian" beliefs about life after death, i.e. babies burn in hell if they are not baptized before death. Go **** yourself Monsignor for that disgusting control mechanism.

I'm hung up on fairness.

When I was three years old I had a dream. I couldn't talk about it to anyone because I was deaf and had no language yet. It was so simple, but it punched me in the gut and I woke up weeping with loss and grief.

It was me as a three year old in a little red coat, in the middle of an orchard in springtime, walking up a gently climbing dirt road to a tiny wooden hovel with faded red paint that I could see in the distance. I was vibrating with joy and delight. Someone I adored with all my three year old heart was behind that door. Then I woke up and knew I loved no one on earth the way I loved that person behind the door.

I was one depressed child for awhile after that.

I read somewhere that you can choose to consciously remember previous lives in a coming incarnation. You just have to build it into your contract.

[Ahkenaten]

All I can say is if reincarnation exists I hope the next life is not a simulacrum of this life........sometimes my dreams are like a scene out of the movie Brazil, and if THAT is what the next life will be like, well........................I'd just as soon pass.

[Chicodoodoo]

Chicodoodoo, would you, if you have not, consider trying these exercises over,say, 10 days or so, global alpha particle radiation levels notwithstanding?

I don't think I'm familiar with this concept or these exercises, so I'm speaking from ignorance, but I don't see why I wouldn't be willing to try (assuming I can find the time -- maybe cut down my Avalon time?). I would need more information to decide.

[Chicodoodoo]

True reincarnational emotional recognition can be so powerful that it will literally double you over like a punch to the gut. It can leave you gasping for breath, in tears of sorrow or joy, or simply stunned beyond words or expression. It’s real. It’s not merely something you read about and intellectually apprehend or agree with.

I hope this helps to clarify my point. It’s like falling in love. If it’s never happened to you, you might reasonably ask: What’s love got to do with anything?

Until, one fine day, s/he walks into the room and .....!

Good analogy, one that I will also use.

The emotional response is real. It is as powerful as you say. But the underlying explanations that you attach to that emotion may not be real. And even worse, you may not realize it until long after the emotional spell has worn off.

It’s like falling in love. That person walks into the room and bam, you're smitten! Thirty years later, after the divorce, after years of agonizing self-analysis, you finally understand that the emotions were real and powerful on both sides, but the internal explanations you and your partner assigned to those emotions at the time were significantly different and significantly wrong.

Humans can be wrong even when their gut tells them they are not.

[Gone001]

Who are you to say whats speculation or distraction...

The genetic/ bloodline memory thing is interesting but it doesn't fit IMHO.

...King Anthony ever had any of these memories or are you just making assumptions about what other people are experiencing? We experience these things and we know what they are... we aren't stupid and you aren't some Messiah of truth and knowledge switching on the light in our dark rooms.

KA I read your explanation of the 'sharing memories with others' theorem, thankyou for trying to explain but it doesn't logically fit for me (especially when I way in my own experiences).

Also KA you started a thread stating your soul was 3000. How is this possible? If your in your 40's now and have had only one life where have you spent the rest of your time?

I say, is it one's place to question who others are, when one cannot answer that for themselves!? Many have the luxury of faith, belief and opinion and the few do not - for the burden of the few cannot be other, as the limitations of some are impose.

I say, what I speak is with conviction and to understand this is to know me; that which I cannot speak of with conviction, I remain silent on. I ask, for no one to believe my words but rather seek truths for themselves, and encourage to seek that of 'original knowledge'.

I make no claim to be more then who or what I am. Has it not been, that even those who have claim of greatness and who have done 'divine feats' have been rejected!? I make no claim to such, as I have not hidden behind avatars or false names - for I have even shared all that I was and am with those who wish to know.

Is it not that those who seek to be more then what they are, who are heard the most!? Is it not found within a faith, belief or opinion that gives 'god', 'purpose' or 'more then what is' within themselves or elsewhere!?

That which one seeks binds them and that which one obtains imprisons them. I say, if you have found that which gives you comfort, then why not be content with it!? Is there not more below the surface, if one struggles to maintain its warmth!?

The 'question' I posed, of three-thousand years, was not my statement, rather the statement of others; for I speak with conviction that I know different. Understanding the depth of the 'question' cannot be given, as understanding will be reflected by the 'ears' they fall on.

I say, if what you keep dearest to yourself is 'whole', then be on your way with that and I wish you well - for I have not spoken ill towards anyone; yet, has 'anyone' given the same courtesy in return!?

Anthony

What do you mean 'when one cannot answer for themselves', did you even read my post? I have my answers my friend trust me. When you speak to people it's as if your subtly saying "It's alright if you think that, maybe someday you'll get to my level of understanding". Others have had incredible experiences too, which I'm sure you at least partially realize. I've herd you speak of deception before but have you ever stopped to think maybe at some point you yourself have been deceived? Anyway this is the last I have to say on the subject. Take care.

[king anthony]

...I've herd you speak of deception before but have you ever stopped to think maybe at some point you yourself have been deceived? Anyway this is the last I have to say on the subject

I say, what deception have I spoke, when I say for others to seek truths; and give aid by saying to learn what the ancient knew? I have not stated or implied for anyone to believe anything I say, rather give point and urge others to seek clarification.

I do not speak with emotion or benefit to myself; nor have I had need to take an offensive. Was I not invited by 'quote' to engage; did I step into another's circle or was it the opposite!?

[Gone001]

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[Gone001]

[QUOTE=Aldous;184560]...I've herd you speak of deception before but have you ever stopped to think maybe at some point you yourself have been deceived? Anyway this is the last I have to say on the subject

I say, what deception have I spoke, when I say for others to seek truths; and give aid by saying to learn what the ancient knew? I have not stated or implied for anyone to believe anything I say, rather give point and urge others to seek clarification.

I do not speak with emotion or benefit to myself; nor have I had need to take an offensive. Was I not invited by 'quote' to engage; did I step into another's circle or was it the opposite!?

The deception remark was in a pm. In short you said you believed reincarnation was a deception. That's what I was referring too. When you say things about getting others to seek the truth it makes it seem (to me anyway) like your saying their not already there and you are. I've said this too you before and I'll say it one more time; if you think you have all the answers you'll never learn anything new. Good day KA!

[king anthony]

The deception remark was in a pm. In short you said you believed reincarnation was a deception. That's what I was referring too.

I say, matters discussed in PMs are to remain in PMs; to refer to a part of thought, from elsewhere, is not to give full thought of the words said. Again I say, 'Was I not invited by 'quote' to engage'!?

If I may suggest, if you have further personal issues, please keep them to PMs and not in the thread; or be silent on the matter in full.

[Gone001]

The deception remark was in a pm. In short you said you believed reincarnation was a deception. That's what I was referring too.

I say, matters discussed in PMs are to remain in PMs; to refer to a part of thought, from elsewhere, is not to give full thought of the words said. Again I say, 'Was I not invited by 'quote' to engage'!?

If I may suggest, if you have further personal issues, please keep them to PMs and not in the thread; or be silent on the matter in full.

Umm you said where did I refer to deception no need to be dramatic. You asked I answered. In an attempt to relate "Was I not asked to provide an answer when you said 'what deception have I spoke'"? I referred to one line of a PM there was nothing personal shared I was merely providing you with an answer. I gave full thought to my response, maybe you didn't when you stated you had never said anything like that. By the way I never said anything about you engaging so I'm not sure why you keep saying that...

[RedeZra]

you are not the body as a driver is not the car

you will live on and you will come back and die again

til you get it ; )

[king anthony]

Umm you said... ...I'm not sure why you keep saying that...

Some have understanding of my words, some do not and some remain silent; am I responsible for these!? Your intentions with your posts are clear; I say again, '...if you have further personal issues, please keep them to PMs and not in the thread...'. If my words are not understood, then may I suggest you seek guidance on the matter.

The thread has been derailed; I say, in order for the course that was intended to continue, you may consider ceasing this discussion here and now.

[Gone001]

Umm you said... ...I'm not sure why you keep saying that...

Some have understanding of my words, some do not and some remain silent; am I responsible for these!? Your intentions with your posts are clear; I say again, '...if you have further personal issues, please keep them to PMs and not in the thread...'. If my words are not understood, then may I suggest you seek guidance on the matter.

The thread has been derailed; I say, in order for the course that was intended to continue, you may consider ceasing this discussion here and now.

Lol I understand your words fine and I'm not the one who needs guidance. You think if someone disagrees with you then they must be confused (After all these posts you still don't understand the point I've tried to make). I do not agree with you, it's not that I don't understand, don't insult my intelligence. You keep saying keep it to PM's but then you yourself reply in the thread.

[Feren]

I would like to share with you all, my avalonian friends, The Spirits' Book (http://www.spiritism.jp/jpn/lesp_us.pdf) by Allan Kardec (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Kardec).
Reincarnation is the core issue for me in this stage of my life.
An million invisible events have brought me progressively to this point. There was a decisive moment, a decisive thought that I take as my moral and intelectual principle: the best point of view is the widest one.
The ideas in this book, wether you belief in its spiritual origin or not, amazingly tends to combine with new scientific views on the nature of matter, with the spiritual awakening that many of us forsee and encourage, and, most of all, with the principle of intelectual and moral honesty that I roughly stated above.
Traditional science won't admit that consciousness couldn't possible begin at conception. They need us to be irrelevant.
I'm sure some of you will find it interesting. I hope many more do.

[king anthony]

Lol I understand your words fine...

Obviously not, as you continue here; is there an administrator that can intervene and bring this thread back on course please.

[Gone001]

Lol I understand your words fine...

Obviously not, as you continue here; is there an administrator that can intervene and bring this thread back on course please.

As do you! You've missed every point I've tried to make. You don't need to tattle, I'm done. If you have anything else to say take your own advice and PM it.

[Gone001]

What about the idea that all time is simultaneous? :)

Alright. I think it doesn't work because how would aging work?. Also, If everything was happening at once how is it were always moving forward? Hope that clears things up.

[Chicodoodoo]

Ummm..... Right, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, reincarnation and the idea that there may be other ways to explain phenomena that we ascribe to reincarnation. What if each individual human consciousness is like a cell that makes up an "organism" composed of the collective of every other consciousness? Maybe the memories of each cell sometimes overlap or get mixed via the master consciousness of the "organism". The point is that reincarnation may be our simple-minded way of explaining phenomena that we are unable to comprehend. We compensate by creating explanations using concepts that we do comprehend. Is that not possible, maybe even likely?

[Gone001]

Ummm..... Right, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, reincarnation and the idea that there may be other ways to explain phenomena that we ascribe to reincarnation. What if each individual human consciousness is like a cell that makes up an "organism" composed of the collective of every other consciousness? Maybe the memories of each cell sometimes overlap or get mixed via the master consciousness of the "organism". The point is that reincarnation may be our simple-minded way of explaining phenomena that we are unable to comprehend. We compensate by creating explanations using concepts that we do comprehend. Is that not possible, maybe even likely?

A lot of people believe in it so I don't think simple minded is the most appropriate term to use. It's not an explanation that was just created it was one put forth after observing countless different persons own experiences and then applying logic. What is it specifically about reincarnation that doesn't work for you? It being 'simple' isn't a reason and I actually don't think it's a simple process at all. I would pose this question too you; Have you ever had any of these memories yourself (no hallucinations are not the same thing)? If you have then what about them makes you lean toward the 'overlapping cell' theory? If not then still, why do you believe your theory is better suited then Reincarnation?

I would also ask this of the genetic memory theorem; How do you explain past memories of being an animal? Some of these memories relate to not just being different people, but being different animals. If we are only remembering things from down the bloodline then how does this work?

[RedeZra]

What about the idea that all time is simultaneous? :)

when Infinite then time space and matter are just illusions

when feeling finite then time space and matter are still just illusions but seem so real

and they are real for all practical intents and purposes

[RedeZra]

What if each individual human consciousness is like a cell that makes up an "organism" composed of the collective of every other consciousness? Maybe the memories of each cell sometimes overlap or get mixed via the master consciousness of the "organism".

it is possible to pick up and paint pictures from and into other minds

this does not negate reincarnation


where do you think you'll be when the body dies ?

[Constance]

What if each individual human consciousness is like a cell that makes up an "organism" composed of the collective of every other consciousness? Maybe the memories of each cell sometimes overlap or get mixed via the master consciousness of the "organism".

it is possible to pick up and paint pictures from and into other minds

this does not negate reincarnation


where do you think you'll be when the body dies ?

What is the mind and where do our thoughts come from?

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What about the idea that all time is simultaneous? :)

when Infinite then time space and matter are just illusions

when feeling finite then time space and matter are still just illusions but seem so real

and they are real for all practical intents and purposes

So what is "real"?

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What about the idea that all time is simultaneous? :)

Alright. I think it doesn't work because how would aging work?. Also, If everything was happening at once how is it were always moving forward? Hope that clears things up.

Is everything moving forward or is it just our perception that things are moving forward?

How does aging work?

[RedeZra]

What is the mind and where do our thoughts come from?

So what is "real"?


Where does the wind come from ?

I want to know where the thoughts come from too lol


We live together in a system where we influence each other and so thoughts and emotions arise and cease and arise again in a never-ending cycle it seems - just like the weather

the thoughts and emotions that come from God knows where...

We can keep them or let them go but if we keep them they might define us - as the saying goes - 'we are what we think and feel'


I guess thoughts and emotions that we more or less unconsciously collect and keep are like threads that make up a cloth or canvas which conceals Reality but let's us paint our picture of reality instead


What is real is an experience extraordinaire

it's the fruit of a long virtues journey

[Chicodoodoo]

A lot of people believe in it so I don't think simple minded is the most appropriate term to use.

From my perspective, all humans are simple-minded (including me). This is because our brains are not sufficiently powerful to understand the complexities of the universe. Also consider this quote from Amanda Bloom - "An idea does not gain truth as it gains followers."


What is it specifically about reincarnation that doesn't work for you?

Rather than repeat myself, please see post #8 in this thread, as well as posts # 6, 36, 58, 61, 63, 66, 81, and 99.


Have you ever had any of these memories yourself (no hallucinations are not the same thing)?

No.


why do you believe your theory is better suited then Reincarnation?

I don't. It's not my theory either, it's just another alternative explanation on equal footing with reincarnation (meaning just as likely with just as little evidence).


How do you explain past memories of being an animal?

A human is an animal.


If we are only remembering things from down the bloodline then how does this work?

I never said anything about bloodlines.

[RedeZra]

A human is an animal.


human beings are not animals


if a human thinks he is an animal then he is more likely to act like an animal

but a human being is not an animal even tho many acts as if they were animals


the idea that human beings are animals is not only false but detrimental to spiritual progress


you are not an animal Mr Chicodoodoo but a human being ; )

[king anthony]

A human is an animal.

human beings are not animals

I say, with thought came arrogance and fear, as the human species sought to be more then what they are. Has it not been same, throughout the ages, that human beings desire to be more then flesh and blood!? To be as the 'gods' and find place by 'their side,' as if it were a right!?

I say, for most, the truth is defeating; yet, there is nothing else that will save. To fail to see what is the hand, is to miss knowing - with no potential for understanding. Thus, limits are made giving way to those who make claim above all - by the side of 'god'.

[king anthony]

...What is the mind and where do our thoughts come from... ...Is everything moving forward or is it just our perception that things are moving forward... ...How does aging work?

The mind is a bio-computer and thoughts are processes 'inspired from the internal and external. Change is mistaken for 'forward motion', as if to imply progress and aging is simply part of change.

[Chicodoodoo]

A human is an animal.

human beings are not animals

human beings desire to be more then flesh and blood!? To be as the 'gods' and find place by 'their side,' as if it were a right!?

Translation: I think King Anthony is agreeing with me that humans are animals.

For those that think humans are not animals, why do you think so poorly of animals? They are as magnificent as we are. In some ways, they are much more magnificent than we are.

[king anthony]

Translation: I think King Anthony is agreeing with me that humans are animals.

You get a cookie. :)

[Gone001]

A lot of people believe in it so I don't think simple minded is the most appropriate term to use.

From my perspective, all humans are simple-minded (including me). This is because our brains are not sufficiently powerful to understand the complexities of the universe. Also consider this quote from Amanda Bloom - "An idea does not gain truth as it gains followers."


What is it specifically about reincarnation that doesn't work for you?

Rather than repeat myself, please see post #8 in this thread, as well as posts # 6, 36, 58, 61, 63, 66, 81, and 99.


Have you ever had any of these memories yourself (no hallucinations are not the same thing)?

No.


why do you believe your theory is better suited then Reincarnation?

I don't. It's not my theory either, it's just another alternative explanation on equal footing with reincarnation (meaning just as likely with just as little evidence).


How do you explain past memories of being an animal?

A human is an animal.


If we are only remembering things from down the bloodline then how does this work?

I never said anything about bloodlines.

Your right it wasn't bloodlines you were talking about that was someone else (question still stands though pertaining to that view). Your leaning more towards us all being part of the same being and memories maybe overlapping or being picked up through frequency's (that's the gist of it I gather). I ask this then; Why would we be having memories from the past then and not just present day?

You didn't answer my animal question (which is a key argument) and no the human being is not an animal (although ya it can sometimes act like it and I get what your saying). Specifically, let me say something like a dog then, how would that be explained? I also disagree that we're all simple minded. I don't see myself as simple minded and their are many other people I know (some of them on this forum) who I don't find simple minded at all.

I've looked at your posts and I still don't gather what you see wrong with reincarnation. It sounds like your only problems lie with it being a supposed 'simple explanation' and that people jump to conclusions and shouldn't settle on that explanation. Considering you haven't experienced this phenomena for yourself I find it hard to understand how you can label what other people are feeling with such ease. To people who have experienced these memories the alt explanations aren't on equal footing at all.

If someone has had these memories and thinks their is another explanation I would absolutely love to here there story and I mean that sincerely. If someone has already explained one of these experiences here in this thread then please direct me!

Cheers

[Chicodoodoo]

I ask this then; Why would we be having memories from the past then and not just present day?

I don't know. The answer to that may be directly related to the original question -- why are you having memories that you do not associate with yourself? You say you have THE answer (reincarnation), and I say that no one does yet.


I don't see myself as simple minded and their are many other people I know (some of them on this forum) who I don't find simple minded at all.

You are making comparisons among humans. I am not, and that's the difference.

We have an unfortunate bias in that among all the animals on the planet, we seem to have the most developed intellect. As a result, we think we are special. We even think we are apart from the other animals just because we are at the top of the pyramid (are you listening, sociopaths?). But that is an illusion caused by our bias. If we could look at intellects from many different parts of the galaxy, I think we would find that we fall somewhere between the two extremes, and that we aren't quite so special.


To people who have experienced these memories the alt explanations aren't on equal footing at all.

That should be a clue right there. It's another bias we have as humans, i.e. whatever we experience must be real. Most of the time, we feel we are justified in calling all we experience as real. There is no question that we experience the actual sensations of the experience. The question is if the interpretation of the experience is real. For example, I can show you some optical illusions that will trigger a very real experience in your brain that has nothing to do with the reality of what you are seeing. If you weren't familiar with optical illusions, you would swear up and down that the pattern was moving, and almost nothing I could say would convince you otherwise.

[king anthony]

...we seem to have the most developed intellect...

Many have said this and most believe this; however, what standard is imposed!?

[Gone001]

I ask this then; Why would we be having memories from the past then and not just present day?

I don't know. The answer to that may be directly related to the original question -- why are you having memories that you do not associate with yourself? You say you have THE answer (reincarnation), and I say that no one does yet.


I don't see myself as simple minded and their are many other people I know (some of them on this forum) who I don't find simple minded at all.

You are making comparisons among humans. I am not, and that's the difference.

We have an unfortunate bias in that among all the animals on the planet, we seem to have the most developed intellect. As a result, we think we are special. We even think we are apart from the other animals just because we are at the top of the pyramid (are you listening, sociopaths?). But that is an illusion caused by our bias. If we could look at intellects from many different parts of the galaxy, I think we would find that we fall somewhere between the two extremes, and that we aren't quite so special.


To people who have experienced these memories the alt explanations aren't on equal footing at all.

That should be a clue right there. It's another bias we have as humans, i.e. whatever we experience must be real. Most of the time, we feel we are justified in calling all we experience as real. There is no question that we experience the actual sensations of the experience. The question is if the interpretation of the experience is real. For example, I can show you some optical illusions that will trigger a very real experience in your brain that has nothing to do with the reality of what you are seeing. If you weren't familiar with optical illusions, you would swear up and down that the pattern was moving, and almost nothing I could say would convince you otherwise.

I do associate the memories with myself that's why I believe in reincarnation. I don't feel like there other peoples experiences, that's the most compelling evidence to me anyway. You say no one has the answer but how can you say that when others have experienced what you haven't?

I do agree with what your saying about animals and us not being any better or worse but that's off topic from my question. I'm asking, if some has a memory of being an animal, like a dog, how might that be explained? I don't think I'm better then animals, but we are different, our minds function differently. when you say "If we could look at intellects from many different parts of the galaxy, I think we would find that we fall somewhere between the two extremes, and that we aren't quite so special", isn't that the same as thinking that animals are less intelligent? There are probably ET's out there with a more advanced intellect but no one is more special then anyone, we're all equal in that way (minus the sociopaths).

Pertaining to your last paragraph. Your saying people may be assuming what we're experiencing is real and comparing it to an optical illusion. You haven't had these experiences so how can you judge if what someone else is experiencing is real or not? Believe it or not I do get what your saying in a grander picture. We live in the third density at the moment and we are in human bodies on planet earth. We manifest our own reality and perceive things in a linear fashion. This is why pertaining to us I believe reincarnation to be the best fit (also adding my own experiences and others). When it comes down to the nitty gritty we're probably just the source consciousness's dream and nothing may be real. If we think like that though then what is the point to anything? We're here though, right now, for better or worse and you have to make the best of it while understanding your surroundings. Basically we haven't gotten to the next stage yet, whatever that may be and in our reality things work a certain way. Maybe in others they don't, but for us 3rd density earthlings I find reincarnation to be spot on.

[Constance]

A human is an animal.


if a human thinks he is an animal then he is more likely to act like an animal


[/I]

Maybe that could be a good thing too. :) Animals are in complete harmony with mother nature. We are the only creatures here that violate the laws of nature. Nature is our greatest teacher.

[Constance]

What is the mind and where do our thoughts come from?

So what is "real"?




I want to know where the thoughts come from too lol


You really want to know? :)

[dan i el]

Chicodoodoo, would you, if you have not, consider trying these exercises over,say, 10 days or so, global alpha particle radiation levels notwithstanding?

I don't think I'm familiar with this concept or these exercises, so I'm speaking from ignorance, but I don't see why I wouldn't be willing to try (assuming I can find the time -- maybe cut down my Avalon time?). I would need more information to decide.

Great stuff. here's the wiki, for starters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogic_imagery

[RedeZra]

For those that think humans are not animals, why do you think so poorly of animals? They are as magnificent as we are. In some ways, they are much more magnificent than we are.

Nobody here has spoken poorly of animals just because they suggest that humans are not animals

why put words in our mouths that we didn't say ?


there is a difference between humans and animals

as there is a difference between animals and flowers

and again as flowers are distinct from rocks


consciousness is the common denominator in all of the above states of being


it is sleeping in rocks dreaming in plants awake in animals and inquisitive in human beings


the members of the animal kingdom cannot change it's instinctual nature while human beings have the power to manifest ideas and make dreams or nightmares come through

animals cannot compare with humans


human beings are supposed to shepherd and steward this earth for the benefit of everybody but because of ignorance and greed the human race has become slaughters and sinners


animals cannot be anything but animals

humans have the power of choice and the potential of gods

[RedeZra]

What is the mind and where do our thoughts come from?

So what is "real"?




I want to know where the thoughts come from too lol


You really want to know? :)


Not really ; )

[Virilis]

Dr Sam Parnia is conducting some very interesting research addressing the question of whether human consciousness can survive 'physically measured' death. By 'physically measured' he means patients who have undergone cardiac arrest & are unconscious (i.e., the patients hearts have stopped beating & their brain activity EEG's are flatlined). Of those patients that are resuscitated from clinical death, approximately 10% have what are called Near Death Experiences (NDE's). These lucid experiences include, but are not limited to: seeing a bright light; receiving knowledge; seeing unearthly beings; having out-of-body experiences accompanied by seeing & recalling specific detailed descriptions of the resuscitation, as verified by resuscitation staff; undergoing a life review; developing healing & psychic abilities.

Parnia says in one of his papers that, "These experiences appear to be occurring at a time when cerebral function can be described at best as severely impaired, and at worst absent. Although, under other clinical circumstances in which the brain is still functioning, it may be possible to argue that the experiences may arise as a hallucination in response to various chemical changes in the brain, this becomes far more difficult during a cardiac arrest. NDE in cardiac arrest appear different to hallucinations arising from metabolic or physiological alterations, in that they appear to occur in a non-functioning cortex, whereas hallucinations occur in a functioning cortex. Therefore, it is difficult to apply the same arguments for their occurrence."

Here are links to some of his research findings on the topic. They are both published in the scientific, peer-reviewed journal 'Resuscitation' :)

Near death experiences in cardiac arrest: visions of a dying brain or visions of a new science of consciousness (http://folk.uio.no/benjamil/neardeath/neardeath3.pdf)
(Great review article)

A qualitative and quantitative study of the incidence, features and aetiology of near death experiences in cardiac arrest survivors (http://www.horizonresearch.org/ndearticle_1_.pdf)
(Prospective study)


Dr. Sam Parnia spends his time between hospitals in the United Kingdom and Cornell University in New York, where he is a Fellow in Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine. He's the founder of the Human Consciousness Project and Horizon Research Foundation, & has published extensively and presented his work at scientific institutions around the world.

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[Gone002]

As part of my faith structure i don't believe in reincarnation. with that said there is merit to it as there is to any form of religion or faith structure. Its always important to be mindful of others faiths, reincarnation may be a fact for some be not for others.

[king anthony]

Its always important to be mindful of others faiths...

I say, this has only been to avoid conflict and a tool used by the 'few' to divide the many. To state or imply 'everyone is entitled' or to be 'mindful of' is the same as saying 'there is more then one way for an apple to fall from a tree'.

[RedeZra]

It's much more constructive how we conduct our lives today than speculate what will happen tomorrow

We will find out soon enough what happens after death ; )

[Chicodoodoo]

It's much more constructive how we conduct our lives today than speculate what will happen tomorrow

Especially when how we conduct our lives today may completely change what will happen tomorrow! ;)

[dan33]

Ten years ago, I visited a meduim. I asked for things that from my childhood, were strange for me .I called synchronicities. When my mother talked about Franz Liszt, i always listened carefully, did not know why. I asked at the meeting with the medium - "synchronicities about Liszt" (i didn't say i was referring to the composer). I was shocked when she answered -"It was your father. Siline was your name , even if your mother wanted named you Nadia."

I knew there was no daughter of Liszt with the name Siline. In his later years, Liszt had a relationship with Carolyn Saynt-Wittgenstein. I looked for information, but nothing fit. Until I found a portrait of her, titled "Carolyn and Siline". Bingo!.
That's was "me" with my "mother". I know that this story doesn't proof reincarnation theory. I even have doubts about the "story" now.
(This post it's from King Anthony's "Unusual stories")

Thank you all.
Daniel.

[king anthony]

Ten years ago, I visited a meduim. I asked for things that from my childhood, were strange for me .I called synchronicities. When my mother talked about Franz Liszt... I know that this story doesn't proof reincarnation theory. I even have doubts about the "story" now.
(This post it's from King Anthony "Unusual stories")

I recognized the story as soon as I began reading it. :)

[161803398]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1vWoUoiaP4

This one is pretty good. I think there is on the video a quantum physics type scientific explanation of why our consciousness might hang together after death.

I know it does BECAUSE my dad did what Houdini couldn't do and came back to let me know.

[Lord Sidious]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1vWoUoiaP4

This one is pretty good. I think there is on the video a quantum physics type scientific explanation of why our consciousness might hang together after death.

OUT! I order thee.

[161803398]

Lord Sidious: howd you do that, huh?

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sidious: howd you do that, huh?

I changed the code.

[ThePythonicCow]

I changed the code.
See the second link below (in my signature) for Youtube video embedding instructions.

[sunnyrap]

I've always considered scientists to be the most creative of beings. And when they're particularly honest, most of them admit they find what they want or expect to find...with their findings according to their own predilections or tropisms, to borrow a term from the plant world.

Trying to convince someone who does not wish to be convinced is futile. And I think maybe their higher self is just as in charge in that case as another, willing and able to be more open minded . In both cases, its probably what is best for the being in its current state or simply what it needs to focus on at that point.

[Calz]

Lord Sidious: howd you do that, huh?

I changed the code.

... and all this time I thought you were using the dark side of the Force.

Learn somethin new each day :)

[161803398]

animals cannot compare with humans

My dog is better at directions than me; she is more compassionate and friendlier; she never takes **** from smaller dogs; but she's got kind of a sick sense of humour. I'm better at opening packages and washing dog bowls. :)

[161803398]

... and all this time I thought you were using the dark side of the Force.

I thought he was a wizard.

[161803398]

I've had a lot of strange things happen to me and this, in a way, is the least of them but... One day I started remembering something. I could see it like an silent movie passing through my mind. It went on and on and while the film was running I thought oh yeah i remember all this, i was there....while knowing at the same time that it was not part of this reality. While the film was running I remembered it all...and it was so familiar....like something that I missed and was glad to see.....then the film stopped and I forgot the whole thing....I only remember it happened and I have one vague picture in my mind. Now, was that a life...or WTF was it?

[rgray222]

I found this intriguing and thought-provoking short video very interesting.

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