The Cowards Finally Show their Face...

[steve_a]

Hi Everyone,

After the disgrace of the UN Securiy Council vote where five of the fifteen who voted didn't have the guts to say, "No!" to the US and British led invasion of Lybia and abstained from the vote, three of them are just coming out from under the stone they went hiding to voice their opinion about something they didn't have the courage to say when they needed to step up to the plate, "Leave Lybia alone".

Already even the conditions of the agreement 1973 have been broken as British SAS troops have been deployed in the country and US troops deployed to 'rescue' two US pilots, killing civilians in their way.

So Brazil, Russia and China are all calling fro a ceasefire:

http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE72L00420110322

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/03/22/russia.gates.visit/

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110322/ap_on_re_as/as_china_libya_3

Do these regimes really think that the UN (US - UK) will listen to them after their show of cowardice in that UN meeting? Where were they when they needed to show their faces?

Talk about hypocricy. Politics is a fun thing.

Best regards,

Steve

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Yes they are cowards.
I wasn't aware anybody was killed in the rescue of the downed US pilots, just slight shrapnel injuries?
And China has moved an anti-aircraft warship off the coast of Libya. purely for show.
Hypocrites. The UN only gave backing to enforce a no fly zone,attacking ground positions was never mentioned which means they have already broken the agreement.
What a bloody joke.

[vibrations]

They are not cowards, they are just the same. Everything is arranged behind the curtains long before any public session. Do not expect anything moral or ethical from the beings in the lowest evolutionary step of Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

They are not cowards, they are just the same. Everything is arranged behind the curtains long before any public session. Do not expect anything moral or ethical from the beings in the lowest evolutionary step of Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

I realize that but i stand by what i said, they are cowards anyway you cut it.
All of them.

[Marcelo Mendes]

Hi folks.

Congratulations Steve. You have found all the cowards of the world and they are only three. Brasil, China and Russia. May be you prefered they were bombing too in order to do not be classified like that.... Very smart indeed...


Namaste

[king anthony]

I say, a 'repeat of history' with each becoming 'greater' then the last.

[steve_a]

Hi Marcelo,

I think you misunderstood why they were cowards. I wasn't making a direct statement to Brazil, nor it's population, but yes to the representative and political machine behind them. They were cowards because they didn't have the guts to say, "No" when the UN Security Council voted on whether or not to invade yet another sovereign country. They were cowards because they buried their heads in the sand and hoped that the problem would go away, instead of saying how they felt - now it's too late and they're trying to wriggle out of what they ommitted to do by calling a cease-fire, or, in other words, they're trying to cover their backs because they didn't step up to the plate when they should have done. These people are supposed to care for the world we live in, their vote could change the history of the world, yet they chose to keep quiet.

I can understand your 'raiva' because I mentioned Brazil in the equation, but you must realize, Brazil abstained so as not to rock the boat for Obama's visit here a day later. In other words, Brazil abstained, allowing allied troops bomb and maim, so as not to piss of a visitor. As I said in my final statement - Politics is a fun thing.

Best regards,

Steve



Hi folks.

Congratulations Steve. You have found all the cowards of the world and they are only three. Brasil, China and Russia. May be you prefered they were bombing too in order to do not be classified like that.... Very smart indeed...


Namaste

[Peace of Mind]

The cowards are the ones that send innocent kids/people to fight their battles of greed for them….all the while they are the main ones hiding, most of the time behind human shields.

A true leader leads by example, and by the examples displayed…it’s hard not to notice that felines are ruling the day. Meaooooow.

Peace

[Zook]

To imply there are cowards here and now ... is to imply there were none before.

:smow::typing:

[Taurean]

Is there any truth in this ?

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1463.htm

[fopa]

Out of interest, what sort of mechanisim would of been expected if a no fly zone was not enforced and many were slaughtered in the town of Bhangazi? If the Libyan army pushed on forward with its intent which was echoed by its leader then surely there would of been mass genocide in opposition towns.

Im not for the aerial attacks, im neither against a fly zone, but i am keen to hear of alternative solutions which should of been actioned.

[irishspirit]

the sad thing here, is the fact that some of you people think it matters what the UN thinks. Research people and open your eyes, it is a talking shop set up to confuse the situation. It is there to make people think that what their "elected" people think matters.

[Ahkenaten]

If anyone is interested see my post #16 in this thread for a complete analysis of the current situation in the Middle East, subject to continual updates and analysis

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16761-MSNBC-cut-off-their-Reporter-when-he-begins-to-report-the-Civilian-Deaths-in-Libya.

[rgray222]

The United Nations is an inept, corrupt, ineffectual, disorganized group of nations that simply plays politics. They have have stood by for decades while genocide has taken place. They make real no effort to improve the lot of war torn nations. The United Nation, like communism on paper sounds great but in reality it is a disaster.

http://www.peacewomen.org/assets/image/Resources/un_logo.jpg
This organization is corrupt and needs to go
Paying attention to votes at the UN is tantamount to paying attention to the guy at the fair trying to guess your weight or age, it is meaningless. The forerunner of the UN was the League of Nations put in place by Woodrow Wilson who was the same guy who gave us the Federal Reserve. He even admitted what bad decisions these were but that he needed the support of the bankers and the powers that wanted to consolidate the world strictly for monetary purposes.

Look at our present world structure, we have the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the UN. These organizations needs to be dissolved and replaced with leaders that are not driven by money. This means the bankers need to be kept as far away from any central monetary source as possible.

Most of mankind is inherently good but there is an element that takes to money like a heat seeking missile. Once they have their hands on the money they then have power which can be eternally manipulated to their advantage. The silent majority really needs to begin to understand how these organization are undermining virtually all aspects of the developed and undeveloped world.

Give no credence to the UN and think of their votes as a vote for themselves to stay in power and nothing more! The UN is simply window dressing.

Sorry, I will step off of my soapbox!

[steve_a]

Hi Peace of Mind,

Nobody is defending Ghadaffi, he probably isn't a nice man, although the Human Rights panel at the UN would disagree with me. The panel painted him as a good guy, until the Middle East appeared to be wanted to be attacked by it's people (with the help of the CIA and the SAS from the UK).

He was so nice in fact that he was to be awarded by the UN for being a do gooder, but that idea was all of a sudden shelved when the UN had to vote on invading his country.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/03/council-postpones-consideration-report-praising-libyas-human-rights-record/

Then, of course, some Americans had to stick their boot in...

Best regards,

Steve




The cowards are the ones that send innocent kids/people to fight their battles of greed for them….all the while they are the main ones hiding, most of the time behind human shields.

A true leader leads by example, and by the examples displayed…it’s hard not to notice that felines are ruling the day. Meaooooow.

Peace

[seko]

As far as I looked into this matter, the main reason that I found in why Russia and China didn't vote is because they will make billions of $$$$ on the sale of armament and weapons to Libya and of course to it's reconstruction.
Follow the money, it isn't about being cowards to what I see.:wof:

[steve_a]

Hi seko,

You really think that China and Russia will profit from not voting to invade Lybia? Not too sure about that. Anyway, they'll have to get past Haliburton first... It would be in their interest to veto the deal and then Lybia could do it's back room business.

Best regards,

Steve



As far as I looked into this matter, the main reason that I found in why Russia and China didn't vote is because they will make billions of $$$$ on the sale of armament and weapons to Libya and of course to it's reconstruction.
Follow the money, it isn't about being cowards to what I see.:wof:

[norman]

Other than the fact that Gadaffi seems to be a very frightening man, I think he's 'the good guy' in this show.

His protestations have been much nearer the truth than the propaganda I've heard from our own people.

He said he was being attacked by Al Quaida. That's actually true. But this time, Al Quaida is getting a bit of air-assistance because they failed to pull it off on their own.

[Belle]

My ex is vice president of an oil company who traveled to Libya for business in the 1980's when Reagan was going after Ghadaffi. He said it was a beautiful country where the people were very happy with the way things were being run there at that time...and visiting Americans were treated very well. I don't know about the situation in that country now, since his current travels are to China and Japan.

I think the problem with Ghadaffi is that he is uncontrollable and tptb need a puppet who will follow the plan. In my opinion, the "cowards" were attempting to buy time to weigh the pros and cons of the affect a no vote would have on their country's standing in the world.

[indiana]

They are all self-seeking bar-stewards!!
Putin has amassed billions thru corruption.
The Chinese gov.... cork-suckers.
Our glorious Western 'leaders'....fargin-iceholes..

Enuf said..

[modwiz]

Ghadaffi has not allowed the Rothschild ursury banks into his country.

They need new blood to suck.

Follow the money.

[indiana]

Ghadaffi has not allowed the Rothschild ursury banks into his country.

They need new blood to suck.

Follow the money.

The Muslim banking system is different to ours, no?

[modwiz]

Ghadaffi has not allowed the Rothschild ursury banks into his country.

They need new blood to suck.

Follow the money.

The Muslim banking system is different to ours, no?

Yes it is. No interest (usury) is charged. The Banksters want some new "customers". Victims would be the more appropriate term.

Same thing happened in Tunisia. The family that left had a large Muslim bank.
They have a Rothschild bank now.

[Lord Sidious]

They are all self-seeking bar-stewards!!
Putin has amassed billions thru corruption.
The Chinese gov.... cork-suckers.
Our glorious Western 'leaders'....fargin-iceholes..

Enuf said..

I should rep you just for your avatar.
The legend, Padraig Pearse.
A true son of Eire.

[indiana]

Ghadaffi has not allowed the Rothschild ursury banks into his country.

They need new blood to suck.

Follow the money.



The Muslim banking system is different to ours, no?

Yes it is. No interest (usury) is charged. The Banksters want some new "customers". Victims would be the more appropriate term.

Same thing happened in Tunisia. The family that left had a large Muslim bank.
They have a Rothschild bank now.

Thanks M
I knew this, just wanted to 'hear' it again.

[seko]

To my understanding Steve, if Russia and China use their veto in the U.N. probably the UK and the rest would not have a war(we know they can go to war without a U.N. approval), so if there's no war, there is no good reason for Libya in this case to buy more weapons than the normal buying. But with a war taking place Libya will need to buy a huge amount of weapons(billions of $$$) so, to stop a war means losing $$$ on weapons. If you really see how the situation is developing, there was no reason for Russia and China to start talking about stopping the war after the meeting in the U.N. if they had their opportunity to stop it.
May be haliburton used to sell them weapons, not now when you are at war with that western company. you will go with the competition.
Anyway I understand what you are talking about Steve, but the money to me makes more sense.

Best regards,

Seko

[Marcelo Mendes]

Hi Marcelo,

I think you misunderstood why they were cowards. I wasn't making a direct statement to Brazil, nor it's population, but yes to the representative and political machine behind them. They were cowards because they didn't have the guts to say, "No" when the UN Security Council voted on whether or not to invade yet another sovereign country. They were cowards because they buried their heads in the sand and hoped that the problem would go away, instead of saying how they felt - now it's too late and they're trying to wriggle out of what they ommitted to do by calling a cease-fire, or, in other words, they're trying to cover their backs because they didn't step up to the plate when they should have done. These people are supposed to care for the world we live in, their vote could change the history of the world, yet they chose to keep quiet.

I can understand your 'raiva' because I mentioned Brazil in the equation, but you must realize, Brazil abstained so as not to rock the boat for Obama's visit here a day later. In other words, Brazil abstained, allowing allied troops bomb and maim, so as not to piss of a visitor. As I said in my final statement - Politics is a fun thing.

Best regards,

Steve



Hi folks.

Congratulations Steve. You have found all the cowards of the world and they are only three. Brasil, China and Russia. May be you prefered they were bombing too in order to do not be classified like that.... Very smart indeed...


Namaste

Hi Steve.

I´m not feeling hungry (raiva as you said. I Just think that anybody that intends to attack anyother person, at least in this forum should do your homework. Brazil, and i don´t know about the others country, and i´saying as the institution, was the only country in th world to do not aprove the Honuduras governmet. Brazil, against all UN, with turkey tried an alternative with Iran and was against the embargo that UN decided amog other things. I could be explaining a lot here, but i do not intend to change the need that some people has to be more informed trying to defend any government. I hope that nobody in this forum start to blame countries and say that a poor defense would be misanderstanding. How would any american in this site feel if anu foreigner started to call them cowards???

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[sandy]

Hi Steve,

Maybe the REAL COWARDS are the leaders and followers who GO TO WAR!!!! It would seem that it would take some gonads to lose face to the dumb down public, corporations and TPTB and also the consequences for saying no to all wars...............................

Until the entire world's civilization bans together to say NO MORE WARS, NO MORE PTB, NO MORE CORPORATION MONOPOLIES, etc. we will continue to second guess what the hell is going on and who is doing what to whom..............it is sickening..........sad and disheartening to say the least.

I think i must be a sensitive as one minute, I'm full of compassion even for the wrong doers, teary with empathy for those suffering and at times so full of anger and frustration for what is going on around the world that I just have to disconnect sometimes and get centered for a little peace and contentment in my world.

That is what I wish for all here at Avalon, Personal Peace and Contentment in your world for some parts of your day!!!

[jackovesk]

Hi Everyone,

After the disgrace of the UN Securiy Council vote where five of the fifteen who voted didn't have the guts to say, "No!" to the US and British led invasion of Lybia and abstained from the vote, three of them are just coming out from under the stone they went hiding to voice their opinion about something they didn't have the courage to say when they needed to step up to the plate, "Leave Lybia alone".

Already even the conditions of the agreement 1973 have been broken as British SAS troops have been deployed in the country and US troops deployed to 'rescue' two US pilots, killing civilians in their way.

So Brazil, Russia and China are all calling fro a ceasefire:

http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE72L00420110322

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/03/22/russia.gates.visit/

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110322/ap_on_re_as/as_china_libya_3

Do these regimes really think that the UN (US - UK) will listen to them after their show of cowardice in that UN meeting? Where were they when they needed to show their faces?

Talk about hypocricy. Politics is a fun thing.

Best regards,

Steve

Steve your Heading for this post...

"The Cowards Finally Show their Face..."

Sums it all up for me,

Regards,
Jack

[Zook]

http://govinthelab.com/who-is-muammar-al-gaddafi/

beginExcerpt
"... men his own age when he created the Free Unionist Officers, a group devoted to the goal of Arab unity. Gaddafi graduated in 1966 and then spent several months in Great Britain at the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst."
end


To understand Libya, you have to understand Colonial Qaedaffi.

To understand Khadaffi, you have to understand his military training. Sandhurst has earned its reputation/notoriety (and not for graduating masters of macrame ... or bright lights of basket-weaving).


:smow::typing:

ps: Qadaphee is a muppet on a string. Implanted into the Libyan intrigue; soon to be uprooted from it ... in neither case, of his own personal charm or design.

[myrm]

UN is a tool of the machine. Let's bet on China, Russia, Japan although crippled, Brazil, Venezuela, Germany, Faction 3, and whoever else in this world likes to see their children and grandchildren get older stopping this group soon. myrm

[Whiskey_Mystic]

The UN is structurally flawed at it's foundation. The existence of a security council with permanent members that have more power and rights than others is a blatant display of a complete disregard for the principles of equality and democracy that my country (USA) claims to care about.

Everyone not on the security council should walk away and form their own version of the UN where they are equal in value as participants.

[Calz]

So Brazil, Russia and China are all calling fro a ceasefire:



Let's play devil's advocate for a bit and see what happens.

Brazil, Russia and China ... hmmm ... where have we heard those countries lumped together lately???

Oh yeah ... Fulford (I know I know ... the crowd groans :faint2: ) but one advantage of being a devil's advocate is you can go where the "heck" you wanna go.

Okay ... these 3 countries are leading the alignment of other countries around the world against Pappy Bush's nasty den of theives.

The latest and greatest coalition of the willing (nitwits that is) seems to be already falling apart with Germany pulling out and and all participating nation states getting grilled at home about just what the heck they are trying to do.

Could it be a brilliant chess move in that these 3 countries are actually setting up the participants for a losing hand by making an *apparent* sacrifice???

Who knows.

Reality is seldom (if ever) as it *appears* to the masses when these kinds of orchestrated events are put on display. All sorts of sub-plots are likely going on.

Perhaps I am way off base here ... but since we all signed up for this "game" we may as well have some fun with it while we are (still) here.

:secret: :haha:

[celestia]

Being somehow conscious of the interests behind the intervention in Libya, I recognize however, in light of of what's happening today, that many lives have been saved thanks to this intervention.

[steve_a]

Hi celestia,

I can understand your thinking, if you find your information from the media in general. I watched CNN yesterday and today. All the commentary is from the 'opposition's' point of view.

I was discussing the Lybia problem with a member of the forum in private via Skype and we came to the conclusion that the problem in Lybia is more than the eye can see. Normally political intervention needs to have at least three motives to justify that action, and that justification is almost never what is told to the general public. Iraq and "weapons of mass destruction" of course brings this point home very well indeed.

I made my case with the Avalon member yesterday why I thought the US and Co. invaded Lybia and today I read a brilliant piece by a guy called Webster G. Tarpley, who, like me, he finds the references of his information and puts the information together as best he can to come to some kind of conclusion as to what's going on and why. His answer as to why can be found at the following site: http://tarpley.net/2011/03/24/the-cia%e2%80%99s-libya-rebels-the-same-terrorists-who-killed-us-nato-troops-in-iraq/

Even if you don't agree with the conclusion of the guy, no-one can say that he's just spouting gas as he leaves his references to what he says and explains how he comes to his conclusions in his writings.

Best regards,

Steve



Being somehow conscious of the interests behind the intervention in Libya, I recognize however, in light of of what's happening today, that many lives have been saved thanks to this intervention.

[genorose]

hi steve_a
we do what we do when we can
if we have the power we will do anything we like
we are hard wired to survive or not too if the pain is too severe
the need for power control is common to all -the difference is some people are not hampered/restrained by morals or ethics
when the chips are down we will do anything - it just is this way - physician know/heal thyself
to know thyself is real power and so liberating

[East Sun]

Where ever there is 'them and us,' "we won, so listen to our govt. and obey because we're right" OR "they are the enemy, we must destroy them, they hate us etc." there is a "divide and concur " set up situation.

We can not trust what you are told, period. Question everything.

Become peaceful and refuse to do violence at all costs. Then they can not control you.
Blessings.

[Lord Sidious]

So you guys wanna know what is going on?
Here it is.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZCyOWLrRTE

[celestia]

Hi Steve and everyone,
I adhere to the fact that there is much ambiguity surrounding the anti-Gaddafi transitional government, however, on reading this article by W.G. Tarpley, I just came out with one idea: those who were fighting the US invasion in Iraq (whether they belong to Al-Qaeda or not) are called "terrorists", if a high proportion of them were Libyans, then a high proportion of Libyans are terrorists.
In every war there are belligerents who are there to fight, to kill, to terrorize one the other, those who support them are no better than them.
Bearing this in mind, I'd say that the NATO's intervention in Libya would only help to give the Libyan war a biggest dimension.

Peace and Love

[steve_a]

Hi Everyone,

Just to keep the ball rolling on this thread, so that we know who the good guys are (or not)! : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html

Best regards,

Steve

[steve_a]

Hi Zook,

I found this video of a speech by Wesley Clark back in 2006 interesting. He also went on to interviews giving out the same information. Alex Jones and Gerald Celente also had this information some years ago also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuVVml5Dp2s&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8H6RomGjJM&feature=related

Best regards,

Steve





http://govinthelab.com/who-is-muammar-al-gaddafi/

beginExcerpt
"... men his own age when he created the Free Unionist Officers, a group devoted to the goal of Arab unity. Gaddafi graduated in 1966 and then spent several months in Great Britain at the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst."
end


To understand Libya, you have to understand Colonial Qaedaffi.

To understand Khadaffi, you have to understand his military training. Sandhurst has earned its reputation/notoriety (and not for graduating masters of macrame ... or bright lights of basket-weaving).


:smow::typing:

ps: Qadaphee is a muppet on a string. Implanted into the Libyan intrigue; soon to be uprooted from it ... in neither case, of his own personal charm or design.