Australians Don't Like LIARS like (PM JuLIAR Gillard) & Don't Want a Carbon Tax!!!

[jackovesk]

Outrage and Anger outside Parliament House as protesters gathered to oppose the Government's planned Carbon Tax.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBcPlq8cLM&feature=related

Like I said before Australians despise 'IN YOUR FACE Unelected LIARS"! See for yourself


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMVc0IbtyAQ

This is what JuLIAR Gillard thinks of the Australian Public!

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-10919.jpg

PS - I am Sick & Tired of the NWO Global Warming SCAM and the Carbon Tax (Cap 'n' Trade) that goes along with it..!

It's nothing more than Control Mechanism to Wipe Out the 'Middle Class' for the Blood-Sucking Parasites (NWO Globalists & Banksters) that feed off us all!

For those of you who believe in Man Made Global Warming & the Carbon Tax on CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) please feel free to make yourself known.

I would like to know those whom I should Trust or Not!

Regards,
Jack

...Update...

Everyday Ordinary Aussies and 1st time Protesters tell the TRUTH about how they fell about JuLIAR Gillards Labor and the Greens Carbon Tax!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvURnIyt6yA&feature=player_embedded

This is the Australian Spirit (No-Nonsense Tell it like it is!) I was trying to tell some of you about...

[Lord Sidious]

Until people in Australia get a backbone, the ''governments'' will continue to do as they please.
I find the contrast between the legend of ANZAC and the current bipedal inhabitants of the continent to be very..................concerning.
I don't think Australians deserve to inhabit the continent, to be honest.
They willingly ''go with the flow'' even when they don't like it.
And the most common reply when you ask them about it is that there are worse places to live.
Well guess what? It will be a worse place to live soon, thanks to the invertebrate voters.

[TigaHawk]

Something i have noticed over here.

Everyone is in disagreeance with what the government is doing. Noone likes it. But noone is willing to do anythign about it.


I strongly believe that if a person in each state takes command, starts protests - that the rest my join in.

From there - it wont be long untill they try stupid crowd controll or dispersion tatics on us - and i dont think we'll react like the rest of the world have. I am hoping, that they wake the sleeping dragon of the Australian people!

[Icecold]

Until people in Australia get a backbone, the ''governments'' will continue to do as they please.
I find the contrast between the legend of ANZAC and the current bipedal inhabitants of the continent to be very..................concerning.
I don't think Australians deserve to inhabit the continent, to be honest.
They willingly ''go with the flow'' even when they don't like it.
And the most common reply when you ask them about it is that there are worse places to live.
Well guess what? It will be a worse place to live soon, thanks to the invertebrate voters.

Bread and Circuses.

They love their sport....what a bloody great distraction.

I was coming back from the beach this afternoon and noticed a bumper sticker....

"IT'S OFFICIAL.....QUEENSLAND SUCKS!"

[tunguska]

It's very hard to talk to the average person my age (mid 20s) about anything other than "how much you had to drink last night" let alone trying to have a rational conversation about global warming as most just tow the mainstream carbon is bad line and cannot believe that the so called "current affairs" shows are wrong...
Best doco to show people I think is the BBC The Great Global Warming Swindle

[jackovesk]

Until people in Australia get a backbone, the ''governments'' will continue to do as they please.
I find the contrast between the legend of ANZAC and the current bipedal inhabitants of the continent to be very..................concerning.
I don't think Australians deserve to inhabit the continent, to be honest.
They willingly ''go with the flow'' even when they don't like it.
And the most common reply when you ask them about it is that there are worse places to live.
Well guess what? It will be a worse place to live soon, thanks to the invertebrate voters.

RAOFLMAO...

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=409496846884&id=68e97ab7b04ef9d0489d5037b0de4da8&url=http%3a%2f%2fblstb.msn.com%2fi%2f76%2fF165E28DB0606FF5B5FC33CA82.jpg

Thanks for that Lord Sidious & Darla Ken Jensen Pearce for your support of his comments,

Both of you obviously know NOTHING about the Aussie Spirit!

You can only push us around for so long before we bite!

On this issue JuLIAR Gillard and her Globalist mates, they just started a Fight 'Based on LIES' they will never win!

Apparently we should'nt make anymore predictions on this Forum..?

Forgive Me, I'll buck against this Trend and say when our Country is backed against the wall through Lies & Deception and the Aussies know they have been wronged!

Just you wait and see, what happens to JuLIAR Gillard and her Fabian Socialist Govt!

NEVER EVER take the Australian Fighting Spirit for granted, we may be slow off the mark at times. But be rest assured the Australian people 'Don't take NO BS from No-One! Once they have been knowingly WRONGED!

PS - By the way Lord Sidious, we take pride in our Convict Heritage! We have had to fight all our lives to get what we've got and any Pissant Globalist Minion that tries to take that away from us will be dealt with accordingly through lawful means!

[jackovesk]

It's very hard to talk to the average person my age (mid 20s) about anything other than "how much you had to drink last night" let alone trying to have a rational conversation about global warming as most just tow the mainstream carbon is bad line and cannot believe that the so called "current affairs" shows are wrong...
Best doco to show people I think is the BBC The Great Global Warming Swindle

I do understand what you are saying tunguska, Never Ever Give up on the 'TRUTH' that is my only advice.

The 'TRUTH' shall set your 'FREE' ...for it is the only weapon we have against Serfdom and Tyranny!

Never Give Up, our Country needs young TRUTHSEEKERS like yourself.

Well done in spreading the 'TRUTH' against the Brainwashed masses..!

[Lord Sidious]

Until people in Australia get a backbone, the ''governments'' will continue to do as they please.
I find the contrast between the legend of ANZAC and the current bipedal inhabitants of the continent to be very..................concerning.
I don't think Australians deserve to inhabit the continent, to be honest.
They willingly ''go with the flow'' even when they don't like it.
And the most common reply when you ask them about it is that there are worse places to live.
Well guess what? It will be a worse place to live soon, thanks to the invertebrate voters.

RAOFLMAO...

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=409496846884&id=68e97ab7b04ef9d0489d5037b0de4da8&url=http%3a%2f%2fblstb.msn.com%2fi%2f76%2fF165E28DB0606FF5B5FC33CA82.jpg

Thanks for that Lord Sidious & Darla Ken Jensen Pearce for your support of his comments,

Both of you obviously know NOTHING about the Aussie Spirit!

You can only push us around for so long before we bite!

On this issue JuLIAR Gillard and her Globalist mates, they just started a Fight 'Based on LIES' they will never win!

Apparently we should'nt make anymore predictions on this Forum..?

Forgive Me, I'll buck against this Trend and say when our Country is backed against the wall through Lies & Deception and the Aussies know they have been wronged!

Just you wait and see, what happens to JuLIAR Gillard and her Fabian Socialist Govt!

NEVER EVER take the Australian Fighting Spirit for granted, we may be slow off the mark at times. But be rest assured the Australian people 'Don't take NO BS from No-One! Once they have been knowingly WRONGED!

PS - By the way Lord Sidious, we take pride in our Convict Heritage! We have had to fight all our lives to get what we've got and any Pissant Globalist Minion that tries to take that away from us will be dealt with accordingly through lawful means!

Assumptions are the mothers of all screwups.
I know nothing of the aussie spirit?
I am descended from Steve Hart, one of the Kelly gang.
I did 6 years in the RAAC.
So don't assume I know nothing, it makes you look foolish.

[jackovesk]

Assumptions are the mothers of all screwups.
I know nothing of the aussie spirit?
I am descended from Steve Hart, one of the Kelly gang.
I did 6 years in the RAAC.
So don't assume I know nothing, it makes you look foolish.

Once Again just for you Lord Sidious,

RAOFLMAO...

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=409496846884&id=68e97ab7b04ef9d0489d5037b0de4da8&url=http%3a%2f%2fblstb.msn.com%2fi%2f76%2fF165E28DB0606FF5B5FC33CA82.jpg

[ViralSpiral]

Hi Jackovesk

There really is no need to fire your pistons at full tilt, all of the time.
It can blur the vision....
You attacked me a little while back for pointing to your avatar, saying you had little choice. That was not my reason. I was alluding to "the Matrix". Misunderstandings happen however, I walked away instead, not wishing to fuel the flame.

I do love that you post your threads, as it will help many who may not yet have been exposed to the info. I only wish you werent so "terrier-ish"

for you:

2_uuN5kuq74&feature=related

[jorr lundstrom]

Lord Sidious:


I know nothing of the aussie spirit?

Neither do I. I once drank some wine with a kangaroo on the bottle.

And I thought you were fond of beer.:ranger:

[Icecold]

jackovesk


NEVER EVER take the Australian Fighting Spirit for granted, we may be slow off the mark at times. But be rest assured the Australian people 'Don't take NO BS from No-One! Once they have been knowingly WRONGED!

ROTFLMFAO

What a crock of jingoistic BS.

Sorry, just an opinion. :lol:

[ViralSpiral]

I once drank some wine with a kangaroo on the bottle.



this?

http://blogs.pitch.com/fatcity/yellow%20tail%20shiraz.jpg

Actually pretty good! Ozzie spirit reaches far and wide, even Munich! :cool:

[jorr lundstrom]

I once drank some wine with a kangaroo on the bottle.



this?

http://blogs.pitch.com/fatcity/yellow%20tail%20shiraz.jpg

Actually pretty good! Ozzie spirit reaches far and wide, even Munich! :cool:

I dont remember, maybye not such a rainbow coloured kangaroo, but I remember

that something strange happened in my consiousness, I seemed to be able to

solve the enigmas of the universe. I dont drink alcohol any longer, havnt got the time.

So I am left with a brain filled with porridge. :crazy:

[str8thinker]

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/03/10/1226019/331408-julia-gillard.jpg

You want your ball back?

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2010/11/13/1225953/072274-julia-gillard.jpg

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sidious:


I know nothing of the aussie spirit?

Neither do I. I once drank some wine with a kangaroo on the bottle.

And I thought you were fond of beer.:ranger:

Some beer is ok, but Jack Daniels?
Now you're talking.

[Maria Stade]

I dont like Liars and taxes but I do like Australians and pics of kangaroos.
The vine is good to, it should not be used as a prevention of any kind.

Even tough I m not Australian !

[jackovesk]

jackovesk


NEVER EVER take the Australian Fighting Spirit for granted, we may be slow off the mark at times. But be rest assured the Australian people 'Don't take NO BS from No-One! Once they have been knowingly WRONGED!

ROTFLMFAO

What a crock of jingoistic BS.

Sorry, just an opinion. :lol:

I used to admire your intellect IceCold, but repression during your youth really got the better of you, didn't it!

Jingoism what a perculiar adjective to use, if you read my initial post you would have noticed I was stating the 'Fact' that Australians don't like Politicians that blatantly LIE!

Feeling left out in ones own Country and using a psuedonem on a forum, does'nt give you the right to deny the 'TRUTH'!

Sorry, just an opinion :lol:

Regards,

Jack Ovesk

[jackovesk]

Hi Jackovesk

There really is no need to fire your pistons at full tilt, all of the time.
It can blur the vision....
You attacked me a little while back for pointing to your avatar, saying you had little choice. That was not my reason. I was alluding to "the Matrix". Misunderstandings happen however, I walked away instead, not wishing to fuel the flame.

I do love that you post your threads, as it will help many who may not yet have been exposed to the info. I only wish you werent so "terrier-ish"

for you:

2_uuN5kuq74&feature=related

Well put ViralSpiral,

I am a little Patriotic and do love my Country and it's origins and like the rest of my fellow Avalonians, I hate to be lied to and taken advantage of by our Politicians!

I have always tried to share the 'TRUTH' as I know it, I am well aware that sometimes I can upset others with my opinions! Sometimes I can be wrong and sometimes I am right.

Be rest assured to any Avalonians, if I am wrong or if I have disagreed with you on anything. I am always coming from a place of 'TRUTH' as I know it.

I am a Loyal Avalonian and although some of you have and will continue to disagree with me. Know this I came here to share the 'TRUTH' with as many people as I can.

I admire honesty and give as good as I get, but I do not hold grudges even if I have disagreed with some of you in the past!

I am always mindful of the 1,000's of non-members that also read our posts and they all deserve nothing less than the 'TRUTH' we can provide them. It's up to them what they do with the information and who they share it with.

Thanks for your Honesty ViralSpiral it is greatly respected.

Kind Regards,
Jack

[jackovesk]

Until people in Australia get a backbone, the ''governments'' will continue to do as they please.
I find the contrast between the legend of ANZAC and the current bipedal inhabitants of the continent to be very..................concerning.
I don't think Australians deserve to inhabit the continent, to be honest.
They willingly ''go with the flow'' even when they don't like it.
And the most common reply when you ask them about it is that there are worse places to live.
Well guess what? It will be a worse place to live soon, thanks to the invertebrate voters.

Bread and Circuses.

They love their sport....what a bloody great distraction.

I was coming back from the beach this afternoon and noticed a bumper sticker....

"IT'S OFFICIAL.....QUEENSLAND SUCKS!"

What a generalised piece of CRAP! Coming from you IceCold...

Everyone in the entire Country knows the healthy rivalry between NSW & Qld i.e. (Rugby League State of Origin)...

Others who are not aware of this friendly rivalry who don't live in Australia may take your comments out of context...

But I guess you already knew that didn't you!

One thing I have never been guilty of is patronising my own Country with or without it's faults!

PS - I am Glad that I am getting to know the 'Real You' Icecold..! Much appreciated...

[TigaHawk]

Everyone knows that Queensland is better than NSW. I'm not even a footy fan and i know this!! ;)



One thing that people i do not think realise yet about this Carbon tax - it's not going to be applied like you're usual tax.


1 Isand on Australia - i forget which one sorry - something like Easter isles or something. They began testing out this carbon tax over a year ago.

From then on in - each time you but something - it'll not only charge you cash - but carbon points for each product. IE Alot of points if you buy fuel. Handfull of points if you buy a bag of rice. etc.

How they do it is - they give EVERYONE a credit card. Along with you're cash each year it's topped up with a set ammunt of "Carbon Points".

At the end of the year, if you're carbon ponits is in the Negative, you'll need to fork out serious cash to pay you're "carbon footprint". If you're under - they'll reward you by giving you some pissant ammount of cash - definately not equal to that of what people need to pay if they go over their limit.

For this to work correctly for them - they will have to try and force people to STOP PAYING WITH CASH. So they cannot "cheat the carbon point system" by paying for items with cash.


Once Aussies realise this part of the bargain. This government will be shown eactly what we think of them.


Needless to say all the privacy concerns about how the government can profile you based on what you buy etc. Then they will - not if - make a deal with advertising companies to sell that consumer information off to them.

Like you're privacy? You'd better stand up and tell the Aus government that. I believe they need some perswading!

[Roseheart]

Wow TigaHawk, I had no idea this was the case. Thanks.
I heard a person who does 'Meals On Wheels' yesterday say that you always know where to find the old people in winter when you deliver the food - in bed staying warm because they can't afford the heating... How are they going to survive when this tax comes in?
There's another rally here on tuesday I think. I'll be there.

[Axman]

I wondered when these little pencil D***S where going to try this crap. What a load of complete garbage. Thats the trouble with the green movement the cant tax it so the little pencil D***S cant ride on are backs for free helping us with what they think we need to be free. Never thought they would try it in the aussie co. No wonder you guys are pissed I am and Im not there.

The Axman

[Virilis]

Interesting thread :)

Gillard's backflip in regards to introducing a carbon tax is probably due to the unique political context in which she finds herself in at the moment. Bear in mind that there was no clear winner after the last election, & a minority government could only be formed via a few independents & the Green Party pledging their support to Labor. This situation gave rise to individuals such as Bob Brown (the leader of the Greens Party) enjoying much greater influence in regards to new policy developments. The decision to propose a carbon tax came out of the multi-party committee for climate change, of which Bob Brown is a member. Interestingly, Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor have spoken out against the introduction of an interim tax, leading some to suspect that Bob Brown forced Gillard's hand. Whether that is true or not, I personally think it's highly unlikely that Brown is associated with any NWO conspiratorial agenda. His views on the carbon tax are one thing, but he's also an ardent advocate for laudable goals such as environmental sustainability.

The 'outrage & anger' that was alluded to in the OP, has its roots in fear. 'Fear-based' persuasion strategies have of course been utilised since time immemorial by politicians, in order to coax individuals into subscribing to certain views & perspectives. Fear-based politics are a central mode of control, and greatly undermine the possibilty of genuinely resolving the challeges that face us. Similarly, 'nationalism' & 'patriotism' can only serve to divide humanity....for things to truly change, we need to see ourselves more in a collective sense, as the crew of 'Spaceship Earth' so to speak.

People are afraid of losing money, & that their standard of living will consequently be eroded as a result of the introduction of a carbon tax. Industry also maintains that there will be significant detrimental economic outcomes. An example would be the steel industry, which is heavily reliant on fossil fuels, & may find it difficult to compete in a global marketplace with the Australian dollar being so high. This may result in sectors of the economy going offshore, leading to job losses. Further, taxes imposed on industry are usually passed on to consumers. Australia contributes 1.1% of global CO2 emissions, & some believe that it's dangerous for Australia to adopt a carbon taxation regime, if the worlds heaviest emmitters don't follow suit.

Ross Garnaut has recommended that CO2 be priced between $20-$30 per tonne. Australia emits a net of 576 million tonnes of CO2 per year, aiming to reduce this number by 160 million tonnes by 2020. The carbon tax could thus raise a lot of revenue. It is envisaged that the proceeds would be funneled into renewable forms of energy creation.

Whether the currently proposed model of carbon taxation will have a beneficial effect or not, is the subject of heated debate. Coal combustion releases not only CO2, but also sulphur oxides and nitrogen oxides. These two compounds are not only harmful to human health, but may be largely responsible for acid rain. Decreasing this type of pollution into the atmosphere is important, regardless of whether CO2 contributes to Global Warming or not imo.

The question in my mind is whether clean, free energy creation technology already exists. If rumours in the UFO community are anything to go by, it does! :)

[Lord Sidious]

Interesting thread :)

Gillard's backflip in regards to introducing a carbon tax is probably due to the unique political context in which she finds herself in at the moment. Bear in mind that there was no clear winner after the last election, & a minority government could only be formed via a few independents & the Green Party pledging their support to Labor. This situation gave rise to individuals such as Bob Brown (the leader of the Greens Party) enjoying much greater influence in regards to new policy developments. The decision to propose a carbon tax came out of the multi-party committee for climate change, of which Bob Brown is a member. Interestingly, Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor have spoken out against the introduction of an interim tax, leading some to suspect that Bob Brown forced Gillard's hand. Whether that is true or not, I personally think it's highly unlikely that Brown is associated with any NWO conspiratorial agenda. His views on the carbon tax are one thing, but he's also an ardent advocate for laudable goals such as environmental stability.

The 'outrage & anger' that was alluded to in the OP, has its roots in fear. 'Fear-based' persuasion strategies have of course been utilised since time immemorial by politicians, in order to coax individuals into subscribing to certain views & perspectives. Fear-based politics are a central mode of control, and greatly undermine the possibilty of genuinely resolving the challeges that face us. Similarly, 'nationalism' & 'patriotism' can only serve to divide humanity....for things to truly change, we need to see ourselves more in a collective sense, as the crew of 'Spaceship Earth' so to speak.

People are afraid of losing money, & that their standard of living will consequently be eroded as a result of the introduction of a carbon tax. Industry also maintains that there will be significant detrimental economic outcomes. An example would be the steel industry, which is heavily reliant on fossil fuels, & may find it difficult to compete in a global marketplace with the Australian dollar being so high. This may result in sectors of the economy going offshore, leading to job losses. Further, taxes imposed on industry are usually passed on to consumers. Australia contributes 1.1% of global CO2 emissions, & some believe that it's dangerous for Australia to adopt a carbon taxation regime, if the worlds heaviest emmitters don't follow suit.

Ross Garnaut has recommended that CO2 be priced between $20-$30 per tonne. Australia emits a net of 576 million tonnes of CO2 per year, aiming to reduce this number by 160 million tonnes by 2020. The carbon tax could thus raise a lot of revenue. It is envisaged that the proceeds would be funneled into renewable forms of energy creation.

Whether the currently proposed model of carbon taxation will have a beneficial effect or not, is the subject of heated debate. Coal combustion releases not only CO2, but also sulphur oxides and nitrogen oxides. These two compounds are not only harmful to human health, but may be largely responsible for acid rain. Decreasing this type of pollution into the atmosphere is important, regardless of whether CO2 contributes to Global Warming or not imo.

The question in my mind is whether clean, free energy creation technology already exists. If rumours in the UFO community are anything to go by, it does! :)

I agree with some of what you say, but you seem to have bought a lot of the ''info'' that is actually globalist propaganda.
You speak of jobs going offshore and people losing their standard of living, but you didn't give us much on whether you believe that or not.
On that topic, if you REALLY want to know why this is all happening in western nations, google The Lima Declaration.
This is something they planned many years ago.
Gillard is just the useful idiot being paid to lead the dog and pony show right now, this has nothing to do with her or Brown, even if they think it does.

[Virilis]

The comment about "jobs going offshore" was made by the chairman of Bluescope steel Graham Kraehe at the National Press Club. I presented a lot of the material in my post in order to aquaint Avalon members with the various viewpoints existing in Australian society at the moment. I felt it was important to do so, as they are divergent in nature. If it appears that I have 'bought in' to any particular paradigm, I apologise, for that was not my intention.

What do I believe? I believe that humanity has had a disruptive influence on the environment which ultimately sustains all life forms living on this planet. I believe that ecosystems have been brought into imbalance, for we are no longer living in harmony with nature. My hope is that this situation can be ameliorated in the future :)

I personally try to refrain from using emotionally charged, ad hominem attacks upon individuals (whether I agree with their viewpoints or not). I believe that we are all expressions of one universal consciousness, & Julia Gillard is one such expression. As Hermann Hesse said, "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us". Any sense of separatness may be an illusion. I have come to this conclusion through direct experience. Maintaining a positive 'frame-of-mind' may indeed be the most useful & crucial way to apprehend our experience of reality at this time.

Thank you for providing me with "The Lima Declaration" lead Lord Sidious. I'm looking forward to reading it :)

[Icecold]

jackovesk


NEVER EVER take the Australian Fighting Spirit for granted, we may be slow off the mark at times. But be rest assured the Australian people 'Don't take NO BS from No-One! Once they have been knowingly WRONGED!

ROTFLMFAO

What a crock of jingoistic BS.

Sorry, just an opinion. :lol:

I used to admire your intellect IceCold, but repression during your youth really got the better of you, didn't it!

Jingoism what a perculiar adjective to use, if you read my initial post you would have noticed I was stating the 'Fact' that Australians don't like Politicians that blatantly LIE!

Feeling left out in ones own Country and using a psuedonem on a forum, does'nt give you the right to deny the 'TRUTH'!

Sorry, just an opinion :lol:

Regards,

Jack Ovesk

I did read your post.

My remarks referred to your jingoistic remark which I quoted.

No need to get personal old chap. Ad Hominen is the refuge of scoundrels.


but repression during your youth really got the better of you, didn't it!

You know nothing about my background. lol

[jackovesk]

Interesting thread :)

Gillard's backflip in regards to introducing a carbon tax is probably due to the unique political context in which she finds herself in at the moment. Bear in mind that there was no clear winner after the last election, & a minority government could only be formed via a few independents & the Green Party pledging their support to Labor. This situation gave rise to individuals such as Bob Brown (the leader of the Greens Party) enjoying much greater influence in regards to new policy developments. The decision to propose a carbon tax came out of the multi-party committee for climate change, of which Bob Brown is a member. Interestingly, Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor have spoken out against the introduction of an interim tax, leading some to suspect that Bob Brown forced Gillard's hand. Whether that is true or not, I personally think it's highly unlikely that Brown is associated with any NWO conspiratorial agenda. His views on the carbon tax are one thing, but he's also an ardent advocate for laudable goals such as environmental stability.

The 'outrage & anger' that was alluded to in the OP, has its roots in fear. 'Fear-based' persuasion strategies have of course been utilised since time immemorial by politicians, in order to coax individuals into subscribing to certain views & perspectives. Fear-based politics are a central mode of control, and greatly undermine the possibilty of genuinely resolving the challeges that face us. Similarly, 'nationalism' & 'patriotism' can only serve to divide humanity....for things to truly change, we need to see ourselves more in a collective sense, as the crew of 'Spaceship Earth' so to speak.

People are afraid of losing money, & that their standard of living will consequently be eroded as a result of the introduction of a carbon tax. Industry also maintains that there will be significant detrimental economic outcomes. An example would be the steel industry, which is heavily reliant on fossil fuels, & may find it difficult to compete in a global marketplace with the Australian dollar being so high. This may result in sectors of the economy going offshore, leading to job losses. Further, taxes imposed on industry are usually passed on to consumers. Australia contributes 1.1% of global CO2 emissions, & some believe that it's dangerous for Australia to adopt a carbon taxation regime, if the worlds heaviest emmitters don't follow suit.

Ross Garnaut has recommended that CO2 be priced between $20-$30 per tonne. Australia emits a net of 576 million tonnes of CO2 per year, aiming to reduce this number by 160 million tonnes by 2020. The carbon tax could thus raise a lot of revenue. It is envisaged that the proceeds would be funneled into renewable forms of energy creation.

Whether the currently proposed model of carbon taxation will have a beneficial effect or not, is the subject of heated debate. Coal combustion releases not only CO2, but also sulphur oxides and nitrogen oxides. These two compounds are not only harmful to human health, but may be largely responsible for acid rain. Decreasing this type of pollution into the atmosphere is important, regardless of whether CO2 contributes to Global Warming or not imo.

The question in my mind is whether clean, free energy creation technology already exists. If rumours in the UFO community are anything to go by, it does! :)

Firstly Welcome Avalon Virilis,

I agree with Lord Sidious when he says "I agree with some of what you say, but you seem to have bought a lot of the ''info'' that is actually globalist propaganda"!

May I suggest you start researching where the Carbon Tax (Cap 'n' Trade) was spawned from and by whom i.e. Al Gore & Convicted Criminal ex Enron CEO Kenneth Ley and watch the Documentary 'Enron- The Smartest Guys in the Room' before you even contemplate going further down the rabbit hole on this topic.


"Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor have spoken out against the introduction of an interim tax"

Could you please provide source? As far as I am both are on the same Climate Change Comittee that is pushing this Global Warming Scam right down the Australian publics throats whether they like it or not! And both Oakeshott (who is currently under investigation for recieving illegal campaign contributions) & Windsor have done a 360 degree back-flip on their constituencies!

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/toxic-inheritance-stalks-independent-besseling/story-fn7r7bxz-1226027013953


"The 'outrage & anger' that was alluded to in the OP, has its roots in fear. 'Fear-based' persuasion strategies have of course been utilised since time immemorial by politicians, in order to coax individuals into subscribing to certain views & perspectives. Fear-based politics are a central mode of control, and greatly undermine the possibilty of genuinely resolving the challeges that face us."

Put simply Virillis the 'Outrage & Anger' you speak of is coming from everyday Aussies who continually see their lifestyle eroding right before their very eyes and their 'Cost of Living' expediently increasing on a daily basis. and they a 'FED UP' and are just now starting to Wake Up and question the fact that somethings not right here and are demanding their politicians be made accountable for these injustices!


"Fear-based politics are a central mode of control, and greatly undermine the possibilty of genuinely resolving the challeges that face us. Similarly, 'nationalism' & 'patriotism' can only serve to divide humanity....for things to truly change, we need to see ourselves more in a collective sense, as the crew of 'Spaceship Earth' so to speak."

Are you employed by the UN NWO Globalists who want to break down Borders, National Pride, Culture & Sovereignty to form a One World Govt. & Currency? Your statement above looks as if you cut & pasted it right out of one of their manuals!


"Ross Garnaut has recommended that CO2 be priced between $20-$30 per tonne. Australia emits a net of 576 million tonnes of CO2 per year, aiming to reduce this number by 160 million tonnes by 2020. The carbon tax could thus raise a lot of revenue. It is envisaged that the proceeds would be funneled into renewable forms of energy creation."

Professor Ross Garnaut as you maybe aware is an Economist not a Climate Scientist. He is also a known NWO Globalist and gets his orders from the 'NWO Trilateral Commmission' which he has been a member of for many years!

Have a look for yourself on page 14 of the Trilateral Commisions 2010 Membership List...

http://www.trilateral.org/download/file/membership/TC_list_1-11.pdf

There is also another familiar name on the list ex-politician "John Hewson" another Economist turned Global Warming Expert who manages to push the same Agenda as Ross Garnaut!

Then start doing some research on the Trilateral Comission and the kind of programs they promote i.e. Sustainability & Agenda 21.

That's enough for now, I hope you take this information in good faith and do some further research into what is really going on behind the scenes.

Thanks for your post...

Regards,
Jack

[Lord Sidious]

The comment about "jobs going offshore" was made by the chairman of Bluescope steel Graham Kraehe at the National Press Club. I presented a lot of the material in my post in order to aquaint Avalon members with the various viewpoints existing in Australian society at the moment. I felt it was important to do so, as they are divergent in nature. If it appears that I have 'bought in' to any particular paradigm, I apologise, for that was not my intention.

What do I believe? I believe that humanity has had a disruptive influence on the environment which ultimately sustains all life forms living on this planet. I believe that ecosystems have been brought into imbalance, for we are no longer living in harmony with nature. My hope is that this situation can be ameliorated in the future :)

I personally try to refrain from using emotionally charged, ad hominem attacks upon individuals (whether I agree with their viewpoints or not). I believe that we are all expressions of one universal consciousness, & Julia Gillard is one such expression. As Hermann Hesse said, "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us". Any sense of separatness may be an illusion. I have come to this conclusion through direct experience. Maintaining a positive 'frame-of-mind' may indeed be the most useful & crucial way to apprehend our experience of reality at this time.

Thank you for providing me with "The Lima Declaration" lead Lord Sidious. I'm looking forward to reading it :)

Worry not young one, I will bring balance to the force.
Oops, I mean, don't panic, balance will return to the earth soon.
The Lima Declaration is not well known, but should be.

[Humble Janitor]

I think you all are getting too worked up over this "Carbon tax" nonsense.

Even if they do install one, what makes you think that they're going to be effective? People will still pollute.

Look at taxes on cigarettes and alcohol. Did people stop buying either once the taxes rose? Hardly. Instead, they kept on chugging along as if nothing had happened.

This carbon tax nonsense is just that: nonsense.

It will fail on its' own.

As for the attacks on Julia Gillard? Is this because she's an atheist socialist? Or is this a genuine belt of opposition?

[jackovesk]

Thanks for all your contributions to this thread so far...

After countless hours of research uncovering the Lies & Deception of the great Global Warming SCAM! Which I believe cuts right at the heart of the NWO Globalists Tyranical Control Plan.

The You Tube clip below depicts how I feel about this Globalist NWO Ponzi Scheme...

Another thing, I am all for saving the environment and decreasing pollution by other means not a Tax on CO2!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBZDwf9dok&feature=fvst

Before all you New Agers come at me for being Angry about the Global Warming Con, there is a Big difference between Wishful thinking and Action.

I am actually doing something about this...

I have telephoned JulIAR Gillards office and sent her a letter asking Why, 10% of all the Money raised from the 'Carbon Tax' is going to the UN?

I have also telephoned and mailed Tony Abbott, Barnaby Joyce, Corey Barnardi, Joe Hockey, Bob Katter, basically 1/2 of parliament...

On wedenesday I went to my 1st Anti-Carbon Tax rally and I won't be stopping until it is aboilished altogether.

Yes I put myself out there with my opinion which leaves me open to ridicule, but I least I can back it up with some real action instead of hiding behind a keyboard!

[Circles of TRUTH]

I am outraged that we are going to be shackled with yet another tax! I am only just making ends meet as it is. As for small business of Australia - most are already struggling to get by, particularly the retail sector. This is going to hit them hard not only in the form of a tax but also in the reduced spending of the public.

Sure, its important to look after our planet but why do we have to be taxed to do it? Why can't we try other ways, like having free bicycles for people to use for transport in cities - or how about everyone getting a tax break on each tree they have bought and planted? Maybe, just maybe our chain supermarkets could cut down on the amount of useless promotional packaging around products - surely 1 packet is enough for one item!

[jackovesk]

I think you all are getting too worked up over this "Carbon tax" nonsense.

Even if they do install one, what makes you think that they're going to be effective? People will still pollute.

Look at taxes on cigarettes and alcohol. Did people stop buying either once the taxes rose? Hardly. Instead, they kept on chugging along as if nothing had happened.

This carbon tax nonsense is just that: nonsense.

It will fail on its' own.

As for the attacks on Julia Gillard? Is this because she's an atheist socialist? Or is this a genuine belt of opposition?

Remiss is one who has no concept of Truth...

Ignorance of real Truth is derelict in of itself...

In other words, you have'nt done the research...

But thanks for sharing your opinion anyway...

[Lord Sidious]

As for the attacks on Julia Gillard? Is this because she's an atheist socialist? Or is this a genuine belt of opposition?

For me, it is because she is a willing tool of the scum that enslave all mankind.
Can you think of a better reason?

[Icecold]

Here is some thing That was posted On another forum i frequent. ;)


http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?238-Worlds-Population-figures&p=7175&viewfull=1#post7175


Here is some thing That was posted On another forum i frequent.

All the Climate change groupies should like this one

All of you out there across the globe who have fought so hard to tackle the hideous enemy of our planet, namely carbon emissions, you know ........that bogus god you worship of "Climate Change" or "Global Warming"......well, I feel it is necessary to inform you of some bad news. It really does pain me to have to bring you this disappointing information.

Are you sitting down?

Okay, here's the bombshell. The volcanic eruption in Iceland, since its first spewing of volcanic ash has, in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet - all of you.

Of course you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to suppress - it's that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to live and grow and to synthesise into oxygen for us humans and all animal life.

I know, I know.... (group hug)...it's very disheartening to realise that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and expense of: driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your kid's "The Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of Bali, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your $1 light bulbs with $10 light bulbs ......well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just four days.

The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four days - yes - FOUR DAYS ONLY by that volcano in Iceland, has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud any one time - EVERY DAY.

Oh, I don't really want to rain on your parade too much, but I should mention that when the volcano Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in its entire 40 MILLION YEARS on earth. Yes folks, Mt Pinatubo was active for over one year - think about it.

Of course I shouldn't spoil this touchy-feely tree-hugging moment and mention the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the well-recognised 800-year global heating and cooling cycle, which keep happening, despite our completely insignificant efforts to affect climate change.

I'm so sorry. And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud but the fact of the matter is that the bush fire season across the western USA and Australia this year alone will negate all your efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three years. And it happens every year?.

Just remember that your government just tried to impose a whopping carbon tax on you on the basis of the bogus "human-caused" climate change scenario. No mention of a Tax on all the emissions caused by Prescribed Bush Fire Burning?

The Prescribed forest burning in Victoria alone puts more c02 into the atmosphere that all power generation in Australia in one year?


Hey, isn't it interesting how they don't mention "Global Warming" any more, but just "Climate Change" -

you know why? It's because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these global warming bulldust artists got caught with their pants down.

And just keep in mind that now the same government is in control, you will have an Emissions Trading Scheme - that whopping new tax - imposed on you, that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you poorer. It won't stop any volcanoes from erupting, that's for sure!

Please pass this on so’ everyone can know the truth on the “Global Warming -Climate Change” CON by Governments to introduce a new TAX.


I thought this view might be welcome in the debate.....or not.

[chelmostef]

My two pennies worth- The NWO would love to put a tax on one of the most common and abundant elements in the natural world. If anyone thinks this is about saving man kind then they should look at the past history of the governments and corporations.

2nd penny, we IMO are having a contributing factor to an already naturally occurring phenomena and the NWO are jumping on the band wagon to tax an abundant element and to cash in on a divide and conquer strategy.

We should stop environmental destruction and that should be taxed.. Liked factory famed white and red meat is just one example...

We are being conned again by these frauds who are spinning something to enslave and strip humanity out of humans and the earth.

[Anchor]

Saw this on a blog...
-------------------------

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he’s fed.

Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for peanuts
Anyway!

Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think..

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won’t be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He’s good and sore.

Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he’s laid.

When he’s gone,
Do not relax,
It’s time to apply
The inheritance tax.

Accounts Receivable Tax
Airline surcharge tax
Airline Fuel Tax
Airport Maintenance Tax
Building Permit Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Goods and Services Tax (GST)
Death Tax
Dog License Tax
Driving Permit Tax
Environmental Tax (Fee)
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment (UI)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Petrol Tax (too much per litre)
Gross Receipts Tax
Health Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest Tax
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Mortgage Tax
Personal Income Tax
Property Tax
Poverty Tax
Prescription Drug Tax
Real Estate Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax Retail Sales Tax
Service Charge Tax
School Tax
Telephone Federal Tax
Telephone Federal, Provincial and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Water Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

And now Julia[1] Wants a Carbon Tax ! STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was one the
Most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had a
Large middle class, and Mum stayed home to raise the kids. What in the
“Hell” happened?

Can you spell ‘politicians?’

I hope this goes around Australia at least 100 times!!!!! YOU can help
Get there!!!!

GO AHEAD – - – be an Australian !!!!!!!!!!
--------------------------

[1] Julia Gillard is the current prime minister.

[Teakai]

The whole global warming /climate change idea is a complete farce to begin with.

Yes, there are plenty of things we could do differently. So much waste we could cut out. So much less pollution we could contribute to, but, it's all absolutely beside the point when it comes to climate change.

"The global elite resolved to exploit contrived fears about climate change to de-industrialize the United States back in 1991 when the Club of Rome, a powerful globalist NGO committed to limiting growth and ushering in a post-industrial society, said in their report, The First Global Revolution (http://www.archive.org/details/TheFirstGlobalRevolution), “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill…. All these dangers are caused by human intervention… The real enemy, then, is humanity itself.” "

I initially got that excerpt from 'infowars' a while ago, I didn't record the link to the page. But, I did look in the book and it is definitely there.

[loveandgratitude]

Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott grovel to Money and Jews
This is how one pundit characterized the run-up to the Australian election Aug. 21:

"Here's the plot: an unmarried, foreign-born, atheist woman whose partner is a male hairdresser wants to lead a nation famous for manly men. Her opponent [Tony Abbott] is the Mad Monk - a Speedo-loving amateur boxer who once studied to be a priest." (William Pesek in "An election about nothing that's made for TV")

Australia's current prime minister Julia Gillard is the first woman and first unmarried (cohabiting) childless Prime Minister of Australia.

Australian journalist Andrew Bolt noted that Julia Gillard began as a Communist and was a member of the Socialist Forum from 1998-2002 which later merged with the Fabian Society.

"It's all about israhell Jewlia."

Australian conservatives should be aware that their darling faux-conservative John Howard was also a Fabian. To give credit, at least Julia is open about her left leanings. She is not as open about her lesbian sexual preferences. Many Australians think that Tim Mathieson, Julia's so called partner is a "beard."
One of Julia's first moves as prime minister was to pretend to lift (her predecessor) Kevin Rudd's tax on miners. We have now learned that Gillard did a back room deal favoring the big miners over the smaller ones.

The Rudd tax was paraded as the reason for his failure. It is clear now that corporate media spin began against Rudd in early 2010.

There was a soft droning of "Rudd is a weak leader" and "the party is unhappy" at the same time as a Julia Gillard push. Ms Gillard is not Elle McPherson or Megan Fox. Until late 2009 she was plain Jane in the background. In early February we noticed that she was looking more feminine and somewhat softer. Machinists were, how shall we say ... less inclined to borrow her face to sharpen their drill bits.

GILLARD SIDES WITH ZIONISTS

John Howard announced his commitment to the Iraq war in 2003 in front of a Jewish group in the US. The television news showed him walking out of a meeting surrounded by traditionally dressed Orthodox men, probably Rabbis. The "John Howard Negev Forest" was established in Israel in 2007 in his honour.

Kevin Rudd crossed the line. He dared to stand up to Israel for forging Australian passports and the flotilla raid. Well, he did not really stand up, but at least he commented. Rudd expelled an Israeli diplomat in a hollow gesture. (He was due to return to Israel shortly anyways.) Rudd, unlike Howard was more inclined to resist involvement in Israel's imminent war on Iran. Rudd had also angered the miners and faltered on climate change.


On the passports and the flotilla, Julia kept silent. She towed the party line behind Rudd on carbon trading and the miners tax. Perhaps Julia was encouraged by her live-in partner/handler (a hairdresser who works for an Israeli lobbyist) that she can sit on the throne if a.) she is prepared to sacrifice other people's children in Iran and Palestine b.) she assists the big miners over the small ones - treachery in the workers paradise c.) she pushes ahead with carbon trading known here as the Environmental Trading Scheme or ETS.


Julia now does the bidding of the Israeli lobby, big business and the banks. As a Communist, Julia may not outwardly support the big miners or the Israeli agenda, but as a Fabian the connection is natural. Gradualism is not the gradual distribution of wealth to all parties, it is the gradual draining of wealth to the elite.

Julia's allegiances are complex. She has just signed a preference deal with the Australian Greens in the senate. The Green leader, Bob Brown, is a self admitted homosexual who is green on the outside red on the inside. If Julia is elected and the Greens help her over the line Australia will be in for an emissions trading scheme (ETS) death duties and open boarders. What affect the Green influence will have on the Israeli connection is anyone's guess.


ABBOTT SIDES WITH ZIONISTS

Recently there is a cooling towards Australian Labour in the media. The campaign has become a freak show and every hack journalist seems to be gunning for Labour.


The media swing toward Abbott may have been influenced by his recent genuflection to Israel. At the Australian Israel Chamber of Commerce in Melbourne, Abbott said his government would "never support a one-sided UN resolution against Israel to curry favour with an anti-Israel authority". Rather than remain silent on the flotilla affair as did Gillard, Abbott actually criticized Rudd for overreacting.


So Ms Gillard (of ambiguous sexual orientation) is a Fabian socialist, atheist, foreign born, unmarried woman living with a hairdresser (also of ambiguous sexual orientation) who works for an Israeli lobbyist. She is beholden to the Jewish Lobby, the enviro’ lobby, the miners, the Greens and its homosexual leader. Her office is built like a masonic temple in the masonic city of Canberra.

August 14, 2010 by John Vermeulen (FOR HENRYMAKOW.COM)


THE AUSTRALIAN ELECTION IS A SHAM: AUSTRALIA HAS NOW BEEN COMPLETED ABSORBED WITHIN THE JEW WORLD ORDER!
Posted by veritas6464 at Saturday, August 21, 2010

[Wiremu2011]

I attended that Rally in Canberra with my wife and a friend. As far as the aggressive "extremists and conspiracy theorists" who rallied there according to the opposition and biased media, I can tell you the majority of those who were there, were as threatening as your grand dad and grand mother.
Though I look beyond this s h i t e from a 3D point of view, I still felt proud enough to stand on behalf of our dumbed out society. :(
As far as the abusive signs seen on TV, it's a pity no one saw one that read "No carbon tax duck ass" :rolleyes:

[Roseheart]

Sydney rally on saturday 2nd April at 10.30 - 1.30 at the Sydney Town Hall.

[jackovesk]

Everyday Ordinary Aussies and 1st time Protesters tell the TRUTH about how they felt about JuLIAR Gillards Labor and the Greens Carbon Tax!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvURnIyt6yA&feature=player_embedded

This is the Australian Spirit (No-Nonsense Tell it like it is!) I was trying to tell some of you about...

[Axman]

The big picture to see if they tax us for living and breathing and see if we will let it happen.So what happens if your a runner and put out more CO2 ?
LOL

The Axman

[TigaHawk]

Someone mentioned this earlier as well.

I think it is absolutely hilarious that they think a tax will actualy change the way we live. They know damn well it wont, and the millions they'll make because we wont conform to whatever they're trying to do.

I was talking to my workmate - trying to explain to him - why a tax does nothing. I tried explaining to him that i believe that change will only come if the COMPANIES are forced to change the way they make products and what goes into the products. He couldent seem to see this as an answer. the only answer he could see was agreeing with taxing the people for carbon.


The government, companies etc try to make out that it is YOU, the CONSUMER, that has to make the right choices and that it's YOU that is making all the pollution.

Not the companies that strip natural resources and refine stuff in industrial plants etc. Nor is it anything to do with the companies trying to make a few extra dollars and going for products that are more hurting to our enviroment instead of green ones.

That's right - global warming, climate change or whatever - the outcome of that totaly sits on the CONSUMER'S shoulders. Not the companies making the products!

Even tho that we know if we asked/wanted the companies to make products the green way - they either would not because it costs them more - or they would but they would turn the situation around so they charge you more than what its costing them in the name of the product going green - again for extra cash.

Do the governments realy think we're all blind and stupid to how they and the companies work? Well, obviously from my workmate, some of us are. But come on.....


Unfortunately in this day and age - it seems that if there is a company that exists - there is greed riddled all the way thru it. And where there is greed - there are people that are willing to lie and cheat, and play dirty because of that greed. Welcome to the world we live in today.

[Icecold]

"Here's the plot: an unmarried, foreign-born, atheist woman whose partner is a male hairdresser wants to lead a nation famous for manly men. Her opponent [Tony Abbott] is the Mad Monk - a Speedo-loving amateur boxer who once studied to be a priest." (William Pesek in "An election about nothing that's made for TV")

That Australian pundit is Germaine Greer....or was lifted from an article by her....or she lifted it for her article? lol

[LM-R]

Until people in Australia get a backbone, the ''governments'' will continue to do as they please.
I find the contrast between the legend of ANZAC and the current bipedal inhabitants of the continent to be very..................concerning.
I don't think Australians deserve to inhabit the continent, to be honest.
They willingly ''go with the flow'' even when they don't like it.
And the most common reply when you ask them about it is that there are worse places to live.
Well guess what? It will be a worse place to live soon, thanks to the invertebrate voters.

Quoted for the Truth.

I say to so many people that the biggest problem with us is that we dont stand up against poor decisions by our pollies, we either forgive and forget or wait till election time and vote for the opposite imbecile, then complain to a tv screen that they are useless while sitting on the sofa.
Being an Aussie with a Greek heritage, I watch the Greek news often of how they protest and fight the government all the time, and will say that you never ever see protests like that. We are spineless when it comes to defending our own rights we just get trampled all over and usually at the end of it we thank them for it.

[jackovesk]

Until people in Australia get a backbone, the ''governments'' will continue to do as they please.
I find the contrast between the legend of ANZAC and the current bipedal inhabitants of the continent to be very..................concerning.
I don't think Australians deserve to inhabit the continent, to be honest.
They willingly ''go with the flow'' even when they don't like it.
And the most common reply when you ask them about it is that there are worse places to live.
Well guess what? It will be a worse place to live soon, thanks to the invertebrate voters.

Quoted for the Truth.

I say to so many people that the biggest problem with us is that we dont stand up against poor decisions by our pollies, we either forgive and forget or wait till election time and vote for the opposite imbecile, then complain to a tv screen that they are useless while sitting on the sofa.
Being an Aussie with a Greek heritage, I watch the Greek news often of how they protest and fight the government all the time, and will say that you never ever see protests like that. We are spineless when it comes to defending our own rights we just get trampled all over and usually at the end of it we thank them for it.

Speak for yourself LM-R,

You sure as HELL aren't speaking on behalf of the Australians I Know!!!

:bs:

[LM-R]

Ok then when was the last protest you saw in Australia that would rival any protest in Europe?

The last one i remember would of been the whole MUA/Patrick ordeal and even that was nowhere near the size of the protest that get organized in Europe. I stand by my comments of Australians Being Sheeple.

When was the last time Aussie's stood up against the government in a massive protest ? oh thats right never.

This is where you are wrong a handful of Aussies you know may not be but the general population is, Want proof ? just look at our 2 party system (Liberal or Labour) the others are just token parties, that have never held any power in our country.
Your opinions seem very Liberal to me with all your posts on the Gillard bashing of late and the all the love of Barry be careful your sounding like a sheeple. All our pollies are either corrupt or have some sort of agenda to play in one way or another (and that's from knowing a few). As i said, We don't stand up for our rights and if you think we are a nation that does then mate you need a heavy dose of reality.

[LM-R]

Christina sold our power, We winged to each other for a week the next we accepted it.

Gillard goes back on her promise on no Carbon Tax, we winged for a week or 2 and we will accept it, oh and voting for Abbott who was originally all for the tax and now is against it because the opposition is for it.

I sure as hell see a rhythm here don't you?

So please give me an example of Aussies rising up and protesting in massive numbers against the government to make your bull****s sign appropriate.






Edit: The Carbon Tax is a monetary solution from the Government for a problem that cant be fixed by money.

[jackovesk]

Ok then when was the last protest you saw in Australia that would rival any protest in Europe?

The last one i remember would of been the whole MUA/Patrick ordeal and even that was nowhere near the size of the protest that get organized in Europe. I stand by my comments of Australians Being Sheeple.

When was the last time Aussie's stood up against the government in a massive protest ? oh thats right never.

This is where you are wrong a handful of Aussies you know may not be but the general population is, Want proof ? just look at our 2 party system (Liberal or Labour) the others are just token parties, that have never held any power in our country.
Your opinions seem very Liberal to me with all your posts on the Gillard bashing of late and the all the love of Barry be careful your sounding like a sheeple. All our pollies are either corrupt or have some sort of agenda to play in one way or another (and that's from knowing a few). As i said, We don't stand up for our rights and if you think we are a nation that does then mate you need a heavy dose of reality.


Christina sold our power, We winged to each other for a week the next we accepted it.

Gillard goes back on her promise on no Carbon Tax, we winged for a week or 2 and we will accept it, oh and voting for Abbott who was originally all for the tax and now is against it because the opposition is for it.

I sure as hell see a rhythm here don't you?

So please give me an example of Aussies rising up and protesting in massive numbers against the government to make your bull****s sign appropriate.

Edit: The Carbon Tax is a monetary solution from the Government for a problem that cant be fixed by money.

I must admit LM-R there are elements of 'TRUTH' in your above 2 posts...

Like you and Lord Sidious, I too believe in 'Free Speech' and we all have a right to express our opinions...

..and Yes there will be disagreements at times, but I am sure you and Lord Sidous will agree we are all fighting against the same enemy the (NWO Globalists, Govt. Deception and Corruption)!

The Political landscape has changed a lot since the introduction of the Internet and the ability to express ourselves throughout the blogosphere.

Liberal? I myself fell off the Voting Grid over 10 years ago and haven’t voted since due to Discontentment with the Corruption in our Political System and its Leaders.

But due to the ability of the Internet, like you and Lord Sidious I don't hold back in trying to Expose these Corrupt Bastards every chance I get!

I must say I still believe Australians are starting to Wake Up faster than you give them credit for. How do I know this? Have a look at the Disdain and Contempt people have for their so called Political Leaders in the comment section of the links below...Note: It doesn’t matter what State or Newspaper the article comes from, people are very unhappy with the Govt. and its Lies!

Just a couple of many examples...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/new-nsw-opposition-leader-john-robertson-admits-labor-betrayed-voters/comments-fn7r7bxz-1226031357840

or...

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_great_income_redistribution/

or...

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/prime-minister-julie-gillard-tours-burnt-out-kelmscott-homes/comments-e6frg13u-1226030829612

What you are finding here is that everyday hard-working Aussies & People from all around the World are Getting Squeezed and Ripped-Off by Govt./Councils & Bureaucracy, coupled with the ever Increasing 'Cost of Living' which is all done by design by our NWO Globalist Govt. and their Minions!

...because of this Australians who just want to be Left Alone to Live their Lives in Peace without Govt. Control and Intervention, together with the Acceleration of the (NWO Agenda) and relentless attack on the Australian public coming from the Govt, they are now starting to slowly Wake Up.

For the 1st time people in this Country are starting to Question their Govt. and Educate themselves as to what is really going on! I constantly see words like Agend 21, NWO, Globalists, Cabal, Corruption, etc, being mentioned by bloggers in response to Australian Newspaper articles.

The only good thing to come out this is...The Fuse has been Lit and people have had Enough and are actually starting to make a Stand and want to be listened too!.

Here is a selection of placards at the recent Anti-Carbon Tax protest at Parliament House...

http://images.theage.com.au/2011/03/23/2248412/rally_main-420x0.jpg

As the picture above shows - I would have to say some Australians are AWAKE and willing to Stand Up Against our Govt!

It doesn’t mean they have to go around Violently protesting like we see in some other Countries! Note: Alot of this Violence is carried out by Govt. backed 'Agent Provocateurs' together with the MSM to take the attention away from the actual Issue and what the Protesters were out there protesting about!

A classic example of this is how the Labor Spin Machine tried to call the everyday Australians extremists and focus the attention on the signs depicted in the photo below, not the actual issue that some Australians 'Dont Want a Carbon-Tax and Don't like LIARS!...

http://images.brisbanetimes.com.au/2011/03/29/2258058/art_marks28b-420x0.jpg

By the way...I don't trust Tony Abbott either! He is a tapped 'Rhodes Scholar' Globalist Minion just like Bill Clinton and Bob Hawke were!

Regards,

Jack

Keep Fighting the Good Fight...