We have been lied to, get it?

[jorr lundstrom]

It is often said that we been lied to from our governments, politicians

teachers, parents, multicriminal companies, bankers and so on and on.

We been lied to about:

Our history

The quality of our food and water

Causes for illnesses

Cure for illnesses

Nuclear power security

UFO:s

ET:s

Terrorism

Global warminghttp://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/gladagap.jpg

Free energy

Causes for war

GMO

Vaccinations

Religion

Who distributes drugs

Medicines

and so on and so on

I wonder wot we/you have done to stop playing their games.

We can always blame the ”elite” that we have been fooled,

but that wont help, so wot have we/ you done.

And as I have noticed that few Avalonians read wot I write

I of course put the question to you too dear guests that are my

faithful readers. And I have a special question to you on PA and

outside who are faithful to and are employed by the ”elite”.

Do you think that you will get any mercy or get any special favors

from the ”elite” if everything should turn into thin blue smoke?

IMO you will be treated just like us wonderful useless eaters.

[str8thinker]

If whatever happens causes some of them to turn into thin blue smoke, I would consider that a great favour.

[ktlight]

OP I am posting this in support. It is called 'Obama filmed lying', starting at 27th October 2007.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_RWHiC7K3k

[Icecold]

I do what I can and hope to have opportunities to do more.

[king anthony]

I say, it does appear that most will believe nonsensical statements, grandeur claims, repetitive words, that which feeds arrogance and even the simplest of thought. These examples are how the most think.

Shall most listen to one with flaws, errors and uncertainty with parts of themselves; or shall most listen to one who qualifies themselves with greatness and gives answers to many things!? Where are one's efforts and abilities!?

What paves the way to untruths being said and what paves the way to untruths being accepted!? If this be so, then, how can most obtain insight, knowledge and understanding if there are limits!?

To truly have chance in understanding, is to seek truth of what was then; for there, much will be revealed - even those others, the 'few' give answer to. Is it not safe to say, that when one 'gets it' means the 'evil deeds' have been already - if so, then what awaits all!?

[jorr lundstrom]

Here is a link, started by Icecold, a way to not play their games.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15174-Non-compliance-is-there-a-better-way

[Billy]

I do what i can to educate everyone around me, I have had meetings with Scottish members of parliament, enviromental ministers asking them to research advanced technologies, sharing what information i have learned over the years. They had no knowledge of advanced Technolgy, They asked to be educated and i do this on a regular basis.

I have also had meetings with MP's about Chemtrails and asked them to research and bring this topic up at general meetings in Hollyrood. Written to Dept of Defence, Dept of Aviation, first minister of Scotland, They have to respond by law within 20days, and their responses have been interesting indeed, denial of course but pointers where to look also. the RAF secretary recommened a document to look at. They pointed out the loop hole. communication is still in progress.

Take a look down this page.. the loop hole is open wide. The UK govt. is aware of the loophole, but sees no urgency to address the issue. Determinative factor (3) ~ Public Opinion. There is no regulation, or responsibility from govt. (MOD), for chemtrail spraying as Solar Radiation Management geoengineering (in the UK).
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/221/22106.htm#a14

[king anthony]

Here is a link, started by Icecold, a way to not play their games.

If one wishes 'not to play their games', then one needs to commit to it - make it known to 'them' (and others) that one is no longer 'their' chattel.

My words are not to be confused with setting standard for all to follow, for that will come (afterwards) in its own 'time'; my words are to support 'one to become one' and have a (peaceful) shield to hold when needed.

These are but simple steps, yet appearing to be difficult one's for most to take. When will words be replaced by action - when action is the only option!? I say, has not the time come to rise and say, 'I am'?

[jorr lundstrom]

Here is a link, started by Icecold, a way to not play their games.

If one wishes 'not to play their games', then one needs to commit to it - make it known to 'them' (and others) that one is no longer 'their' chattel.

My words are not to be confused with setting standard for all to follow, for that will come (afterwards) in its own 'time'; my words are to support 'one to become one' and have a (peaceful) shield to hold when needed.

These are but simple steps, yet appearing to be difficult one's for most to take. When will words be replaced by action - when action is the only option!? I say, has not the time come to rise and say, 'I am'?

To say I am, stand in ones own power utter ones personal opinions,

taking ones own actions to not comply seem to take a long, long time.

Time nobody have. I think that many wont realize that this is really happening

until disaster litterarily knocks on their door or maybye smashes their door.

Then its probably too late. I know that a lot is very aware of wots happening

and they do wot needs to be done both here and now and wot needs to be

prepared for when/ if everything get really s##t. But too many are just

orators. I sometimes wonder who is fooling who and then I giggle.:moil:

[king anthony]

To say I am, stand in ones own power utter ones personal opinions...

Unless one does not have the luxury of opinion (faith and belief).

[Maria Stade]

To say I am, stand in ones own power utter ones personal opinions...

Unless one does not have the luxury of opinion (faith and belief).

If one have no opinion then it is high time to investigate the truth and get out of the programing.

And then make a stand !

And then take action to protect self !

Keywords is of good use to google and search youtube and other places !

[araucaria]

With respect, I am not sure of the usefulness of this thread, for which a better title in my view would have been, We have been lied to, get over it!

[king anthony]

If one have no opinion then it is high time to investigate the truth and get out of the programing.

I say, for the said to be fact, the assumption would be, if things have not been 'made known' and confirmed by one, by qualifying such.

What if the assumption is other, would it not then be, that one would not have the luxury of opinion (faith and belief)!?

[Whitehaze]

With respect, I am not sure of the usefulness of this thread, for which a better title in my view would have been, We have been lied to, get over it!

We cant get over it until the lies end, then we can put it behind us and truly get over it.

[Fructedor]

I do whatever I can to help those around me and spread a positive attitude - I do a lot of work translating and disseminating documents about natural healing, mostly in plants and homeopathy. I'll talk to anyone who seems ready to listen about some of the things I've learned since I became a little more aware of the real situation - and that's only as far as I understand things. I don't argue too much, because I've found it rarely leads to any positive outcome. I pray for whatever seems to need prayer - and there's a lot of that about at the moment. I often feel that I don't pray enough, and whatever I do, it sometimes seems precious little. But I note that mostly, my attitude to life and the outcome of all this seems to remain positive.

Thanks for this thread Jorr - I do read you, by the way.

Best wishes

Fructedor

[jorr lundstrom]

With respect, I am not sure of the usefulness of this thread, for which a better title in my view would have been, We have been lied to, get over it!

I think the title is correct because I hear so many state that we have

been lied to, but I see them saying this over and over again without

any plan or action to get to a point where the lies wont cause any

harm. Its a bit like masochism, like if they state that they want to

rule their own life but at the same time want to be seen as martyrs.:sad:

[Donna O]

To be honest, I don’t know what to do. I keep waiting for a plan, and idea, an opportunity to do my part other than having ‘far out’ views according to those around me.

I won’t say I hate people, but I do hate the mindset most are in, in fact I despise it and for this reason I find I have to keep a lid on my true persona. I would shock them with the news that they are selfish, smug little people who don’t really give a s*** about anyone but there useless little selves and those in there immediate vicinity.

Until the PTB deprive them of their toys, their food and shelter they will never look up and discover what is really happening in the world, and I don’t believe the PTB have any intention of waking them up until it’s too late.

Well, they get what they deserve I suppose, but I wish there was a bus out of here for the rest of us who care so much it’s an effort to even lift your head up off the pillow every morning and continue to live in this fake playground.

Sorry, a bad moment and I wanted to get that out rather than let it fester inside. I hope you understand.

[king anthony]

To be honest... ... rather than let it fester inside. I hope you understand.

Sharing one's thoughts, in a calculated manner, is never something to apologize for. Bus tickets?

[Chicodoodoo]

We can always blame the ”elite” that we have been fooled, but that wont help

But that is the first step, isn't it? You do have to determine who is responsible for causing the problem. Many people put the blame on those that believe the lies, but that appears to be faulty reasoning to me. Who is responsible for the lie, the one that speaks it, or the one that hears it? On the other hand, who is responsible for believing the lie? The lie has to be created before it can be believed, so I think it is correct to blame the liar, and not the victim of the lie.

People have been manipulated for a very long time into being very trustful of the mainstream media. This too is done by the deliberate design of the liars.

So what helps? You either have to silence the liars, or you have to convince everyone not to believe their lies. The second option is a thankless, never-ending job. I would suggest the first option.

[modwiz]

We can always blame the ”elite” that we have been fooled, but that wont help

But that is the first step, isn't it? You do have to determine who is responsible for causing the problem. Many people put the blame on those that believe the lies, but that appears to be faulty reasoning to me. Who is responsible for the lie, the one that speaks it, or the one that hears it? On the other hand, who is responsible for believing the lie? The lie has to be created before it can be believed, so I think it is correct to blame the liar, and not the victim of the lie.

People have been manipulated for a very long time into being very trustful of the mainstream media. This too is done by the deliberate design of the liars.

So what helps? You either have to silence the liars, or you have to convince everyone not to believe their lies. The second option is a thankless, never-ending job. I would suggest the first option.

I would think looking to where our power to actually accomplish something would bear the most fruit.

So, instead of pointing the finger of blame at people who are hard to get to, a look in the mirror and identifying what actions can be taken with what is found there would be the more empowering option.

It is where you can insert the lever that meaningful exertions will be found.

None of the above negates your obsevations and frustrations CDD.

[jorr lundstrom]

We can always blame the ”elite” that we have been fooled, but that wont help

But that is the first step, isn't it? You do have to determine who is responsible for causing the problem. Many people put the blame on those that believe the lies, but that appears to be faulty reasoning to me. Who is responsible for the lie, the one that speaks it, or the one that hears it? On the other hand, who is responsible for believing the lie? The lie has to be created before it can be believed, so I think it is correct to blame the liar, and not the victim of the lie.

People have been manipulated for a very long time into being very trustful of the mainstream media. This too is done by the deliberate design of the liars.

So what helps? You either have to silence the liars, or you have to convince everyone not to believe their lies. The second option is a thankless, never-ending job. I would suggest the first option.

I think we must get out of the lying fields before we can do anything about

the liars out there. As long as we dont get to a position where we can act

from our self and not from others lies, and do it, our lifes as such are lies.

And then we do a lot of lying to ourself also and act from our own lies.

But if you would like to start in the other end, its your choice and

I wish you good luck, you sure gonna need it.:ranger:

[MargueriteBee]

I don't BUY their crap anymore.

[Icecold]

I think we must get out of the lying fields before we can do anything about

the liars out there. As long as we dont get to a position where we can act

from our self and not from others lies, and do it, our lifes as such are lies.

And then we do a lot of lying to ourself also and act from our own lies.

But if you would like to start in the other end, its your choice and

I wish you good luck, you sure gonna need it.

As you now know Jorr,

there are many more liars than we were aware of.

Many people are still being fooled by so-called whistleblowers as well as the elites.

Worst case are the popular channelers and prophets that permeate the entire alternative community.

Entities that channel future events are all suspect. True entities will NOT channel the future as this is a violation of karmic law.

[arctourist]

so who's the liars then-mister expert

[Icecold]

Avalon Member
This message is hidden because arctourist is on your ignore list.

[arctourist]

hhahaha=nevermind

[slipknotted]

everything pretty much is a lie everything is wrong are leaders say and from church to state.

[TimelessDimensions]

You're winning when you don't accept their thoughts as your thoughts

[Chicodoodoo]

It is where you can insert the lever that meaningful exertions will be found.

That’s a good point, Modwiz. The logical solution is not always attainable. The most logical solution might be to disallow the liars from getting on the soapbox. Unfortunately, they own the soapbox. Well then, don’t allow them to use the bullhorn. Unfortunately, they own the bullhorn. Well, in that case, maybe we have to spread the truth among the crowd so that the crowd realizes they are being lied to! Unfortunately, we don’t own the soapbox, we don't own the bullhorn, and many in the crowd don’t want to hear the truth or won’t believe it.

Those clever sociopaths have really done their homework.

[Icecold]

Creative disinformation......


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Source:

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[jorr lundstrom]

Creative disinformation......


Dearest Lightworkers, the Lion's Gate has opened and you are crossing the threshold.
This is Ascended Master Abu Myra at your service.
We are Tel ex Ar and Don a Tel and we are on the Dawning Light.

The descent of the human race into madness gave credence to the Creator's Eternal Wisdom.
You will live a life of electric light like an angel.
You will activate the Infinity Codes that you carry within your cells and within your DNA.

Our Multidimensional Laughter CD is now available for $20.00
The elementals are making passionate love as they rebirth themselves at sub-atomic levels.
This course will certify you as an Inverse Wave Therapy Facilitator.

You are the change and I know that you are aware of this.
The New Earth is anchoring her vibration throughout the hearts of humanity.
You are all ready!!! YES YOU ARE!!

The elementals are making passionate love as they rebirth themselves at sub-atomic levels.
It remains only for you to forge ahead having now established the Light Grid upon Earth.
The Multi-verse is now opening up and all is available that has only been formerly dreamt of.

The spheres of transformation will shut down the frequency fence which veils.
Your paths now all align and converge together.
Dear Ones, it will not be too long before we will be amongst you once more.

The Multi-verse is now opening up and all is available that has only been formerly dreamt of.
We are now entering the process of Galactic Reconnection.
Your own healing and DNA repairing is available to you.

You could once again become a Being of Love.
Your paths now all align and converge together.
The Opalescent Flame is under the guardianship of the Divine Feminine Lotus Keeper or Goddess, Kwan Yin.

We are Tel ex Ar and Don a Tel and we are on the Dawning Light.
The New Earth is anchoring her vibration throughout the hearts of humanity.
We achieved a quantum consciousness change.

If you are resisting the new, remember that you have called forth joy.
Your out of control momentum will be broken upon touchdown.
Many will choose to activate their Infinity Codes, and will step fully into their Diamond Solar Light Bodies.


Source:

http://retecool.com/new-age-disinformation-generator.php

ROFLMAO:ranger:

[Icecold]

Disinformation Agents
in the Psychotronic Mind Control Arena

http://www.raven1.net/disinfo.htm


Eleanor White

Pyscho-electronic mind control is ONE TILE in a much larger mosaic of government crimes. ...Check out shortwave news for up to the minute news on the government crime front.

HEAR Voice of America interview as an example of one type of disinformation tactic.



I am not an expert in this. However, one can be circumspect about disinformation activity without being an expert by just keeping a few common sense precepts in mind.

Disinformation agents are people working for the mind control perpetrators whose job it is to prevent the truth from getting out. It is important that those who have only recently realized they are being targetted understand that slick and seemingly helpful and credible people do exist who are working to prevent our members from ever seeing freedom again.

Never underestimate their ability to do just that. Massive black budget operations for decades have brought the very best in psychological warfare specialists to either assist the disinfo agents or to actually be disinfo agents. We are up against the best there is.

I am not trained in psychological warfare, but anyone who takes the time to take a second, more critical look at information supplied by every writer or speaker on the mind control issue can develop a reasonably good "B.S. detector". You have to make critical thinking - that is, asking yourself if a given piece of information is "too good to be true" or if it jibes with all our experiences - a daily habit. Time will do the rest.


We know from our MKULTRA colleagues that disinfo agents often set themselves up as "helpers", "counsellors" or book authors seemingly supporting the victims. In fact, some of these "support people" hang out with the victims and attend their conferences, where they may try to trigger previous hypnotic programming, and confuse the issues. Ask any MKULTRA survivor who has attended conferences to tell you about this.

The FBI's COINTELPRO activities involved doing exactly the same thing. They infiltrated Viet Nam war protest groups, or black power groups, sowed confusion and discord with constant lies and counterfeit communications from leaders. Breaking in to organizational headquarters and character assassination was routine.

So this is not anything new.

Here are some activities you can expect from disinfo agents:

Frequently referring to statements and proffered information from mind control victims as "beliefs".

Stating that they are a victim, but doing things that someone targetted would almost certainly not do. Example: Telling other victims they are not victims and that they "should find another hobby."

Flooding of email forums and newsgroups with postings - in some instances, to such an extent it is hard to find comments by others.

Proffering of solutions too good to be true, or which ignore widely observed phenomena, or experiments showing the solution is inadequate. Example: "Wearing a foil beanie will protect you from mind control signals", or, guaranteeing solutions based on conventional EM signals.

Writing articles which contain good information, but which also contain either outright falsehoods or vagueness calculated to confuse a "new" victim or member of the public.

Attempting to "explain" mind control as other than a deliberate program of harassment. Mainly by finding "alternative theories" that may (sort of) explain each effect but do not explain the full set of effects. These "explanations" consistently ignore the frequency of effects, and the bizarre, constant street theater, break-ins and sabotage at home and at work.


BIGGIE........Used on Forums like Avalon

Sending certain individuals large volumes of emails, especially argumentative, endlessly repetitive or distracting, with the purpose of tying up the recipient's time.

Excessive nitpicking of details, especially on minor points, as a courtroom lawyer might do in trying to get his client off on a "technicality".

Experimenting with countermeasures based on conventional signals certainly does no harm, provided the experimenter has a comfortable income. Where the disinfo agent might reveal him/herself is if he/she GUARANTEES success.

While there is a rare chance someone might find a successful conventional countermeasure, a truly friendly colleague will recognize that money and time spent are entirely at the spender's risk, with no guarantee.

Here's a classic example of a paragraph from a disinfo agent in a letter to the editor of a major news magazine, commenting on an article on schizophrenia, but describing a mind control experiment:

"If externally-sourced and heard only by the ("schizophrenic") subject, we would speculate a deliberate attack of unknown, but certainly sadistic, motive is occurring which drives victims such as Yates and others to horrendous acts. The method involved is also unknown but might be accounted for by technology (not likely since this has been going on for centuries) or focussed group human remote influence. ..."

In this case, the disinfo agent cleverly does two things:

- In the larger letter, which is scholarly in style and contains the names of PhD researchers who participated in a mind control experiment, this paragraph states the writer's opinion that even in the case of deliberate voice to skull attacks, the method is not likely technology, which we know is not true.

- By sending a letter to the editor in response to an article specifically on schizophrenia, the disinfo agent cleverly gets the magazine's editors as well as the public to associate mind control with schizophrenia, total rubbish, aimed at setting us back years in our fight for freedom.

The above examples do not GUARANTEE the person involved is a disinfo agent, but should act as caution flags. One thing it's important to do is not spend so much emotion and time on "witch hunting" that you wear yourself down worrying about disinfo agents. All this writeup aims to do is advise a degree of caution similar to that used to avoid financial scams.

See also Facts, Fact Sources, and the "Poison Pill" Disinfo Tactic.

And by the way, I don't think there is "a disinfo agent behind every garbage can"!

E. W.


The audio track below was a talk show interview with the Voice of America's "Talk To America" show. This show received world wide radio broadcast. There was some TV exposure as well - I (Eleanor) was on the telephone, and in studio was a communications professional, Dr. Chris Simpson.
Dr. Simpson, in my opinion, functioned perfectly as a disinformation agent whether or not he knew it. The reason for posting this interview is to show other victims one type of tactic they may run into when discussing mind control with anyone.

During this particular interview, I let Dr. Simpson "have his say" during the first half of the show, my tactic being to have the second half where I could make my points without seeming as if I were trying to hog the conversation. I hope this audio track will assist others in dealing with professional "slick talkers" in the future.

Click Here to listen to the show (http://www.raven1.net/voa-ivw.wma).

[Chicodoodoo]

Creative disinformation......

I couldn't get past the second sentence. I had to stop there to silence all the BS alarms going off in my head.

I believe that's a compliment to the author.

[Icecold]

Creative disinformation......

I couldn't get past the second sentence. I had to stop there to silence all the BS alarms going off in my head.

I believe that's a compliment to the author.

The author is a primitive AI.

[ViralSpiral]

Hi Jorr, I do not mean to derail your thread. My sentiment is also: get over it.
Keep your goggles on, and mind the dung being flung....

And as for Ice.... panacea! Thanks!

this for you:

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/pha0149l.jpg

[jorr lundstrom]

I think many people think its important to live their lifes in a way that makes a

difference, me too. Wot Avalon is all about, wot we/I write, I think make a difference.

That people read wots written and ponder over it I think make a difference. I am

not especially affected by wot the " elite" does today at least not directly. But of course

I am affected when I realize the effectiveness by the programming on a lot of my fellow

Avalonians. I think the most important task everybody has is not to lie to ourself. I might

be doing just that when I think that my contribution makes a difference and probably only

time will tell. And I really dont know wot you mean when you say: get over it.:ranger:

[Icecold]

Hi Jorr, I do not mean to derail your thread. My sentiment is also: get over it.
Keep your goggles on, and mind the dung being flung....

And as for Ice.... panacea! Thanks!

this for you:

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/pha0149l.jpg


This is for you Viral Spiral.....

http://www.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/241-ictu-protest.jpg


http://www.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/148577_465591463540_350097413540_5724890_5458976_n.jpg

[ViralSpiral]

Apologies again Jorr. I was however, amazed that you started such a thread. Surely 99% (am hoping that only 1% are still snoring) of Avalonians know this.
Not saying we should just be "giving the other cheek", just that it doesnt "serve".
I may be (and that's debatable too, of course) completely delusional, in which case, I opt for this, and wish the thread well :-)


http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz339/Pennee4/get-out-of-jail-free-card.jpg

[Chicodoodoo]

Creative disinformation......

I couldn't get past the second sentence. I had to stop there to silence all the BS alarms going off in my head.

I believe that's a compliment to the author.

The author is a primitive AI.

The author of the program, then. Of course, I'm assuming his purpose was to maximize the BS. If that wasn't his purpose, I may be guilty of a terrible insult.

[Lord Sidious]

To be honest, I don’t know what to do. I keep waiting for a plan, and idea, an opportunity to do my part other than having ‘far out’ views according to those around me.

I won’t say I hate people, but I do hate the mindset most are in, in fact I despise it and for this reason I find I have to keep a lid on my true persona. I would shock them with the news that they are selfish, smug little people who don’t really give a s*** about anyone but there useless little selves and those in there immediate vicinity.

Until the PTB deprive them of their toys, their food and shelter they will never look up and discover what is really happening in the world, and I don’t believe the PTB have any intention of waking them up until it’s too late.

Well, they get what they deserve I suppose, but I wish there was a bus out of here for the rest of us who care so much it’s an effort to even lift your head up off the pillow every morning and continue to live in this fake playground.

Sorry, a bad moment and I wanted to get that out rather than let it fester inside. I hope you understand.

I comprehend what you are saying totally.
The urge to smifilicate them is sometimes almost overwhelming.
Especially the smarmy little gits that think they know everything because they have a degree.
A few lawyers here and there learnt my lack of ''higher'' education doesn't mean they can beat me.




Creative disinformation......

I couldn't get past the second sentence. I had to stop there to silence all the BS alarms going off in my head.

I believe that's a compliment to the author.

The author is a primitive AI.

A mighty funny way of saying nugget in your part of the woods.
No wonder you are cold.

[mondaze]

there's an old joke.... you can tell when they're lying because their lips are moving. We have two choices: be like Cypher of the matrix, and climb back out of the rabbit hole and sod the consequences; or we can keep looking and pointing and shouting, hey look the emperor has no clothes!

[ÆTHER]

I figure at this point in our collective defective programming, forgiving the system would be suicide. It is time for a system restore.

[Icecold]

To be honest, I don’t know what to do. I keep waiting for a plan, and idea, an opportunity to do my part other than having ‘far out’ views according to those around me.

I won’t say I hate people, but I do hate the mindset most are in, in fact I despise it and for this reason I find I have to keep a lid on my true persona. I would shock them with the news that they are selfish, smug little people who don’t really give a s*** about anyone but there useless little selves and those in there immediate vicinity.

Until the PTB deprive them of their toys, their food and shelter they will never look up and discover what is really happening in the world, and I don’t believe the PTB have any intention of waking them up until it’s too late.

Well, they get what they deserve I suppose, but I wish there was a bus out of here for the rest of us who care so much it’s an effort to even lift your head up off the pillow every morning and continue to live in this fake playground.

Sorry, a bad moment and I wanted to get that out rather than let it fester inside. I hope you understand.

I comprehend what you are saying totally.
The urge to smifilicate them is sometimes almost overwhelming.
Especially the smarmy little gits that think they know everything because they have a degree.
A few lawyers here and there learnt my lack of ''higher'' education doesn't mean they can beat me.




Creative disinformation......

I couldn't get past the second sentence. I had to stop there to silence all the BS alarms going off in my head.

I believe that's a compliment to the author.

The author is a primitive AI.

A mighty funny way of saying nugget in your part of the woods.
No wonder you are cold.

We also uses lenses.

Yours is 'nugget'. lol

[ViralSpiral]

We also uses lenses.

Yours is 'nugget'. lol


frozen brain nuggets?

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/d29b_brain_freeze_ice_cube_molds.jpg

http://ssv-kaierde.bplaced.net/images/smiley/chuckle.gif



I agree with ÆTHER, we are not beyond repair.....

[jorr lundstrom]

I figure at this point in our collective defective programming, forgiving the system would be suicide. It is time for a system restore.

I dont think forgiving the system is on the list. Personally I lack the

forgiveness of others programming. :ranger:

[Lifebringer]

Soon as they say go, I'm gone. I've had it with this material world. I am in no position to do anything accept pray and put truth links out. I have never felt home here. My people have been oppressed since the end of Egyptian rulers. Coming to America in chains and then mating with Native Americans faced with the same fate. Brutality and poverty. Always holding the perverbial knowlege gaining carrot, just out of reach. I yearn to go home and can not wait. This planet and it's racist people in power have always exploited those weaker than themselves, instead of uniting and making the links stronger.

Like I said If the time comes to go, I'm gone and not looking back.
Soon as the last fewchapters of my book Season of The Witnesses is published online.
I was told to write it, and I have meditated and asked for guidance on it. It's current day and future sci-fi apocalyptic.

My body illnesses all stem from stress of untruths. So I'm in pretty bad shape when it comes to facing the lies of the matrix and living it everyday.

I just remember, "this too shall pass" and "these days were made for such a time" by book 5 of Enoch.
I've had this feeling since I was three years old. I specifically asked my mother to take me home, and she told me I was home. But is was a he//ish relatives house, who had no control over their male macho seed.

If it wasn't for my spiritual mind, I'd have lost the material one a long time ago. (10 years Bush selection)

[Lifebringer]

I sign up on (news?) blogs from around the world and spread the word, but mainly MSM to smash trolllies and tell them some truths. They are awakening, and boy are they pissed. I guess those disposable caskets in GA, MS, LA and other southern states arefor them. The PTW have no tolerence for ignorance, if it's not for voting only. They think they are beneath them and it's too much of a bother to educate them, it goes against their principles of who is worthy to join their corrupt group, and able to pull triggers, and drop bombs to achieve it.

I asked God to allow me to help to create clean waters, oceans and forestation in the afterlife. People are just too much trouble. They are so easily swayed by lies. When someone is telling me one, my bsometer goes off. The pressure raises because they had the audacity to part their lips and try it on me. I really do have a severe intolerance for bs. Had a doctor tell me, it's not you, it's those close to you and those around you shoveling it your way, and expecting you to eat it, that gets to you.
She said: See yourself as a planet and the others as moons or orbiting debrie. It worked for me. Now when I see it coming, I think forcefield and keep them and their negative bs at a distance.

[slvrfx]

Right on! I may not look like much more then a giddy, partially demented old lady, but don't be fooled. I'm a highly developed, sensitive, and intuitive person.

I am particularly in a heightened state of awareness when it comes to the words people use, and the way their voices resonate.

It really doesn't matter what words they're using ultimately, for I know their agendas too.

Thank you so much for your bold and timely post.

[58andfixed]

I wonder wot we/you have done to stop playing their games.

We can always blame the ”elite” that we have been fooled,

but that wont help, so wot have we/ you done.




What an excellent question Jorr:

If we are not aware of our complicity in deception, then how can change be brought about ?

Complaining of and criticizing our friends' addictions does NOT bring about their change.

Recognizing what we do have control over, is where change can be initiated.

I do find a 'List of Cognitive Biases' very helpful in recognizing why some are here, and most are not -- because we only lessened our biases sooner and exposed ourselves to some one of the many sources or videos out there -- and at first likely became angry or resentful for having been duped. The 'Santa Clause' effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

Belief bias
– "an effect where someone's evaluation of the logical strength of an argument is biased by the believability of the conclusion."

Once this early step of change has begun, it is only a matter of time before one looks for what to change to and how, and that one will recognize that the fastest way to change is to look within.

It is a process, a way of living - not a club that is joined.

Politics, Organized Religion, Money, Propaganda and Mass Media all rely on 'mere belief,' and stalwarting or vaccinating our mind to this long existent paradigm of 'mere belief,' by developing a questioning and critical thinking mind will be the permanent and sustainable defense against it.

- 58

[Chicodoodoo]

Like I said If the time comes to go, I'm gone and not looking back.

If ever there was evidence that there is something wrong with our world, that we need to change this mess, that we can no longer sit on our hands and do nothing, this would be it. That one person would spend a lifetime waiting for it to finish is no compliment for what we have constructed here. In fact, it is the wooden stake through our heart that shows we were never really alive at all, even though half the time we went through the motions.

We have been lied to. I get it. We all need to get it. And we need to do something about it. We need to unite, and organize, and change this world into one where not a single soul will regret ever having passed this way.

[Icecold]

We are working on it Chico.

Timing is everything.

[jorr lundstrom]

Like I said If the time comes to go, I'm gone and not looking back.

If ever there was evidence that there is something wrong with our world, that we need to change this mess, that we can no longer sit on our hands and do nothing, this would be it. That one person would spend a lifetime waiting for it to finish is no compliment for what we have constructed here. In fact, it is the wooden stake through our heart that shows we were never really alive at all, even though half the time we went through the motions.

We have been lied to. I get it. We all need to get it. And we need to do something about it. We need to unite, and organize, and change this world into one where not a single soul will regret ever having passed this way.

Agree Chiko. I think its almost unbearable when people start dreaming of and plan

to leave on first bus. Gaia is a too good place to be deserted in that way.:ranger:

[jorr lundstrom]

It seems like as people has been spoonfed by lies, they now expect to be spoonfed by truth.

If someone doesnt understand something in a thread, he/she demands to have it declared

in a way that he/she can understand. And if it is done he/she can sort it into the old and

of course nothing new has happened. Voila. Trying to find out something self seems to be

out of the question. How can it be that so many really seem to think that there is free

lunch in this world? :playball:

[TimelessDimensions]

..and we've been lied to about the cause of fear, which is scarcity, and scarcity comes from monoculture farming.

See my new documentary:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVkqQ7H3cSQ

[Plissken Boon]

The Welcome to Avalon! introduction raises good questions

You have to put yourself in the position ... of 'juror'

Accept ... you have a rational, logical mind ... and approach it from that angle ... 'juror' ... and 'Police detective'

This is a 'lifelong' thing ... you come across information ... that conflicts with what you have been told / led to believe earlier in your life

'Windows' open ... light-bulbs go on ...you start to realize things are not as they should be ... you haven't been told the truth

Then you realize that 'fake news' - 'fake information' ... is not just a symptom of the Trump era ...

For example ... I grew up thinking Jessie Owens was treated very badly at the 1936 Olympics ... because he was a black man ... a pretty easy piece of information to believe, given what we 'know' about the era

But, in the last couple of years ... I have found out this is not true ... it's a 'myth' ... Jessie Owens had the time of his life at the 1936 Olympics ... he had a German roommate ... a very white 'Aryan' specimen ... and they became lifelong friends ... Hitler was very nice to Owens ... giving him a commemorative medal for winning four gold medals ... Owens became a hero to the German crowd

It was the Americans who treated Owens badly ... he wasn't invited to the White House ... because he was black

I have now seen video and photos of Owens at the 1936 Olympics ... confirming this

So, what can be deduced?

We can deduce ... that we are lied to now ... we have been lied to in the past ... once you are confronted by similar examples ... you begin to realize that 'fake news' has been brainwashing us for a long time

You can go back to 1910 - 1913 ... and find out newspapers were being paid to write fake stories back then

So, it doesn't take rocket science to suspect we have been told a lot of lies in the last 120 years plus

Then you start to wake up ... to what's really going on ...

We are being deceived ... a lot of history ... is a pack of lies

JFK ... they have tried to shift suspicion to Russia, Cuba ... the CIA ... 9/11 ... it's an 'investigation' ... that you have to become the 'Police Detective' ... your own eyes tell you the narrative is b/s ... so do over 3000 architects and engineers ... and pilots ...

Then you have to look at the people ... Eisenberg, Silverstein, Netanyahu, Kissinger, Zelikow, Zakheim, Bush and Cheney refusing to give evidence under oath ... the first 'official' engineer on the scene at the Pentagon ... the confiscation of all CCTV footage ... the C130 on the scene ... the insurance ... 1,000,000 tons of prime real estate with a multi $billion asbestos problem ... the 'Dancing Israelis' ... their connection to Mossad ... WTC7 ... the missing $trillions ...

Do you still believe 19 Arabs with box cutters carried out the most spectacular military operation in history?

Let's ask Bin Laden if he did it ... what he knows ... oh, sorry, we can't ... the most important witness in history ... was killed by a Seal team ... they buried him at sea ... and processed his DNA within a matter of hours ... hmmmm?

As I said ... history is a pack of lies ... even the Titanic ... we are being deceived ... we have been for a long time

There's a reason for it ... it's massive

more to come ...

[Plissken Boon]

Why are the elite willfully and knowingly destroying the planet?

They're not destroying the planet ... they're destroying us ... slowly

History suddenly ... comes into sharp focus ...

pb

[rgray222]

The Welcome to Avalon! introduction raises good questions

You have to put yourself in the position ... of 'juror'

Accept ... you have a rational, logical mind ... and approach it from that angle ... 'juror' ... and 'Police detective'

This is a 'lifelong' thing ... you come across information ... that conflicts with what you have been told / led to believe earlier in your life

'Windows' open ... light-bulbs go on ...you start to realize things are not as they should be ... you haven't been told the truth

Then you realize that 'fake news' - 'fake information' ... is not just a symptom of the Trump era ...

For example ... I grew up thinking Jessie Owens was treated very badly at the 1936 Olympics ... because he was a black man ... a pretty easy piece of information to believe, given what we 'know' about the era

But, in the last couple of years ... I have found out this is not true ... it's a 'myth' ... Jessie Owens had the time of his life at the 1936 Olympics ... he had a German roommate ... a very white 'Aryan' specimen ... and they became lifelong friends ... Hitler was very nice to Owens ... giving him a commemorative medal for winning four gold medals ... Owens became a hero to the German crowd

It was the Americans who treated Owens badly ... he wasn't invited to the White House ... because he was black

I have now seen video and photos of Owens at the 1936 Olympics ... confirming this

So, what can be deduced?

We can deduce ... that we are lied to now ... we have been lied to in the past ... once you are confronted by similar examples ... you begin to realize that 'fake news' has been brainwashing us for a long time

You can go back to 1910 - 1913 ... and find out newspapers were being paid to write fake stories back then

So, it doesn't take rocket science to suspect we have been told a lot of lies in the last 120 years plus

Then you start to wake up ... to what's really going on ...

We are being deceived ... a lot of history ... is a pack of lies

JFK ... they have tried to shift suspicion to Russia, Cuba ... the CIA ... 9/11 ... it's an 'investigation' ... that you have to become the 'Police Detective' ... your own eyes tell you the narrative is b/s ... so do over 3000 architects and engineers ... and pilots ...

Then you have to look at the people ... Eisenberg, Silverstein, Netanyahu, Kissinger, Zelikow, Zakheim, Bush and Cheney refusing to give evidence under oath ... the first 'official' engineer on the scene at the Pentagon ... the confiscation of all CCTV footage ... the C130 on the scene ... the insurance ... 1,000,000 tons of prime real estate with a multi $billion asbestos problem ... the 'Dancing Israelis' ... their connection to Mossad ... WTC7 ... the missing $trillions ...

Do you still believe 19 Arabs with box cutters carried out the most spectacular military operation in history?

Let's ask Bin Laden if he did it ... what he knows ... oh, sorry, we can't ... the most important witness in history ... was killed by a Seal team ... they buried him at sea ... and processed his DNA within a matter of hours ... hmmmm?

As I said ... history is a pack of lies ... even the Titanic ... we are being deceived ... we have been for a long time

There's a reason for it ... it's massive

more to come ...

I normally don't give advice but I am going to step out of my comfort zone for a minute. I agree with a lot of what you are saying but there are many pitfalls to chasing the truth, especially truths that will run you so far down the rabbit hole that it is difficult to return. Some can leave you so bewildered that confusion ends up being a constant companion. Also, you have to live in a world where the majority of people do not believe "your truth". It takes practice to separate emotion from the facts and it can't always be done. Being aware and being present for all that life has to offer helps immensely. Hope I am not stepping on your toes but for some reason, I felt compelled to say something.

[Plissken Boon]

I hear what you're saying ... but that wasn't really my point

My point is ... that something is wrong ... you don't have to get to the absolute bottom of it ... you just have to realize you're being lied to

Take JFK ... books, theories everywhere ... for over five decades ... the Mafia ... Cuba ... Russia ... the CIA ... movies about it ...

But how many times have you heard the name 'Jacob Rubenstein'? How many times have you heard that JFK steadfastly refused to let Israel have nuclear weapons? How many times do you hear that JFK was a keen historian? How many times did we hear about JFK threatening the banks?

Israel got their nuclear weapons

From Lincoln to now ... there's a trail ... virtually every big episode in history ... there's a trail .... that most people have no idea about

I could go on ... The Treaty of Versailles - Bretton Woods ...

As I say on my movie blog ... "You don't have to go down the rabbit hole ... you just have to figure out ... whose Tea Party it is"

pb