Unreported facts about Libya

[ktlight]

Please watch, for your information. I first saw in on David Icke's News. We are advised to withhold out support, that this war in reality is against the USA population - to oppose taxation is to oppose war:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V11Bq1ZdSqM

[celestia]

Al-Qaeda containment costs that expensive to US/ EU governments, wouldn't it be better to do with differences? I don't believe that any harmonization is ever going to be possible!

[ktlight]

Thank you Celestia. However, I would say to you NEVER doubt. Anything is possible. What is happening in the world is insanity. We should recognise that! They need to be stopped in their tracks but without force. Imagine that we all, for instance, withdrew/withheld our support, as is requested in the video, and a strong message was produced by that action, and a steady progression of such withdrawals of support led to a very loud message that stopped them in their tracks.

Hope you understand.

[celestia]

Hi Ktlight,

Sure every action makes a difference! I hope we might bring about a positive change, now I do believe that as human beings we are learning and trying to improve our condition on earth. I just wonder why wouldn't governments sit for some kind of NLP or coaching sessions, somehow to enhance -if they already have any- sense of values!
Best wishes

[ktlight]

Hi Ktlight,

Sure every action makes a difference! I hope we might bring about a positive change, now I do believe that as human beings we are learning and trying to improve our condition on earth. I just wonder why wouldn't governments sit for some kind of NLP or coaching sessions, somehow to enhance -if they already have any- sense of values!
Best wishes

Cos they do not know that they are insane!

[majapahit]

check what Webster Tarpley has to say about Kadaffi

- Libya best developed and socialized Arab country
- Libya best record on women education
- best education, beats many western nations
- developed middle class by dissipating Oil wealth (compare that!)
- low crime rate and suppression of free speech, compared with the USA, Saudi Arabia, Syria etc

yes, he's eccentric and should retire

but the US UK France are only there for
- Oil
- Oil
- Oil
- to 'aid' al-Qaeda, for the 'rebellious' Eastern province, is the (a) homebase for CIA's al-Qaeda

as such the USA/NATO/and the House of Indecent People is 'liberating' Libya, by aiding al-Qaeda

therefore
the real crazy people are
- the USA voters
- the UK voters
- the French voters

[ktlight]

Thanks majapahit. I do see where you are coming from.

May I say that IMHO the really crazy insane people are whoever constructed the evil plan to do what is going on. It is totally insane, and they know they are visible and appear not to care. I think generally there is great apathy upon us and, in particular 9-5vers don't have the impetus to find out what is really going on, but there is a wave coming down on us to assist with awakening and adjusting.

I have compassion for all of the voters, who think they are doing right, but who will soon know the deception done to them.

I hope you understand.

[Lost Soul]

Khaddafi is a despot. He also supports terrorism and is responsible for the civil war in the Sudan where the muslims are killing the Christians. His intelligence people organized the Lockerbee bombing and an attack that killed many servicemen in Germany.

That said, I wish we'd leave him alone. The US is broke and the military is stretched thin from being in Afghanistan and Iraq (not to mentioned a lot of other places). On top of that, 45 million Americans are on food stamps and who knows how many are on extended unemployment benefits. We can't afford another war yet our Nobel Peace Prize winning president plunges into another act of military folly. Last, I'd rather have Khaddafi in power than some wahabist.

Edited to add: I don't think the American Commando Supremo is a light worker and it makes me nausea to think we had a thread here on Project Avalon where many members professed their admiration of him. Clearly they were deceived by his ad campaign and positive media image and even thought he was a light worker. I vote third party so don't blame me.

[celestia]

Now it is no longer a war against Libya, the neighbouring countries and all Africa will have to pay for this war. check this link to see what the humanitarian mission is causing to human beings as well as to the entire planet http://stopwar.org.uk/content/view/2321/27/
Japan's tsunami is a sign, but men persist in ignoring the signs .

[Rocky_Shorz]

anyone ever heard of Qathafi's Green Book?

wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Book)


"Mandatory education is a coercive education that suppresses freedom. To impose specific teaching materials is a dictatorial act."


According to British author and former MP George Tremlett, Libyan children "spend two hours a week studying the book" as part of their curriculum; extracts are broadcast every day on television and radio; its slogans are found on billboards and painted on buildings in Libya...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d7/IEP2009_colage2.jpg

[majapahit]

Khaddafi is a despot.
of the caliber like Obama/Bush ('Patriot' Act, what's in a name)

He also supports terrorism
in love and war, that's called 1. freedom fighters 2. the 'other' guy/girl

and is responsible for the civil war in the Sudan
Soedan is about OIL

where the muslims are killing the Christians.
and the Christians are backed by Oil Interests, to be considered Thieves (not by me)

His intelligence people organized the Lockerbee bombing
Real suspects in the Lockerbee: 1. Iran (you shot down their 747 liner, remember that?) 2. your CIA 3. Syria .. and trailing - way - 4th, as hired hands, a couple of mercenary Lybians, nothing compared with what the CIA/NSA 'helped' 911. Many a million $$$ exchanged hands to put the blame on Lybia.

and an attack that killed many servicemen in Germany.
the very unwelcome occupational forces of the empire USA, worldwide, in too many bases, with too many rapists and murderers within, is a natural target for the downtrodden .. surprise

That said, I wish we'd leave him alone. The US is broke and the military is stretched thin from being in Afghanistan and Iraq (not to mentioned a lot of other places).
1. the US is not broke, it is scammed by a couple of Sabatteans 2. the US military is used for a. medical guinea pigs b. selection of scumbgs for deployment in the homeland martial law 3. whatever

On top of that, 45 million Americans are on food stamps and who knows how many are on extended unemployment benefits.
ah, well
edit: i hope you do realize that the US still owes 'the world' a 1000+ trillion US$ in the US$ Treasury scam .. well now, how did that happen :Cry: (happened while you were watching football)

We can't afford another war yet our Nobel Peace Prize winning president plunges into another act of military folly.
- your - Wallstreet: "the panacea for a contacting economy is perpetual war"

Last, I'd rather have Khaddafi in power than some wahabist.
your Saudi 'friends' are (or promote) wahabist .. eh, together with MI6. Know you History. Oh, wait, US highschools dont teach - real - history anymore, wonder why, how, when, where ..


Edited to add: I don't think the American Commando Supremo is a light worker and it makes me nausea to think we had a thread here on Project Avalon where many members professed their admiration of him. Clearly they were deceived by his ad campaign and positive media image and even thought he was a light worker. I vote third party so don't blame me.

this is too much
forgive me .. I'm outside, trying to hang myself from a tree
you're too lucky
I wont bother you anymore :nod:

[celestia]

but the US UK France are only there for
- Oil
- Oil
- Oil
- to 'aid' al-Qaeda, for the 'rebellious' Eastern province, is the (a) homebase for CIA's al-Qaeda


Hi Majapahit,
Would you please explain what you think are the motives behind helping Al-Qaeda.
I'd rather think that the enemy of US/NATO is not Gaddafi, but his rebels. The presence of coalition troops is for containment of
1- Islamists
2- Arab revolutions.
The revolutions blowing all over in the Arab world are now considered as a threat to Israel, as everyone knows that first issue on the Arab's union agenda would be to free Palestine.

Kind regards

[mondaze]

stop buying into their crap

[majapahit]

but the US UK France are only there for
- Oil
- Oil
- Oil
- to 'aid' al-Qaeda, for the 'rebellious' Eastern province, is the (a) homebase for CIA's al-Qaeda

Hi Majapahit,
Would you please explain what you think are the motives behind helping Al-Qaeda.
that is a long - too long - story, but ..

you start by unraveling what quite a while ago was called 'synarchy' ..
which is the power of secrets groups and cabals, their competition, their infighting, ..
and finally who gets/got on top, and ..
dictates the spreading of wealth, and ..
the carving up of resources ..
to be used by whom, where, what for ..
and to what purpose(s)

on this forum most must be aware that 911 was a scam, and that somehow the financial world (f.i. Goldman Sachs, and less known, the London City aka Rothschild) is involved

considering Lybia, it's history appears to be, that it was ..
'revolutionalized' by a 'socialist' colonel, ..
who threw out the pedophile king, who was treating his Illuminati supporters and European power mongers with Lybian boys to rape and to take home.

but, we know now/also, that the Russian Revolution was started and/or financed with Kahzar Wallstreet money and helped with the Illuminati network of MI5/6 of the UK and the Illuminati controlled freemason networks throughout Europa (and worldwide), who run/infiltrated most (all?) Secret Services worldwide, and includes the ones set up in the Arab/Ottoman sphere.

.. skip .. many a fact ..

the Anglo Saxon Mission (ASM) (as per the main page of this forum), distinguishes between 2 kinds of people.
1. 'we', the (ASM) , our 'assets', our 'pawns' both in friendly and supposed 'enemy' territory .. and
2. the sheeple. The chattel to be herded, worked and be used as canon fodder or plainly culled, .. you

After the Ottoman empire fell and after the explosion engine was invented for tanks, war ships and the like ..
the ASM entered in an Agenda of 'we, anglo whites will be the dominant military power, and our white country (approximately) industrialized' ..
with a tiny intermezzo of cleaning house and clearing the cricket field, ..
for the purpose of who is who & the ASM totum pole ..
it is called WWI and WW 2 ..
the 'rest' worldwide will be peasants and servants, ..

run by their assets in such territory, their freemasons, their bluebloods, ..
including the Left wing Revolution sphere, deignated 'the enemy', for the sake of armament consumption ..
and keeping the hurded chattles in line

both, what is now called, NATO, and these commie and revolutionary Leaders/Assets (aha, here is where Kadaffi shows up) ..

being run through wicked schemes of bribes, mayhem, extortion etc. and communicated with/manipulated through the networks of black ops spy rings and the freemason network in the UK, France, Syria, Turkey, Russia (Putin), Israel, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, China, Taiwan, India (you get the picture) ..

and BTW the Uber Freemason Group, the English in London connected to the House of Windsor ..
their financier the Rothschild/Rockefeller group
their soldiers, the white boys and empire servants from Sandhurst
the next down on the totum pole, West Point, USA, with much more hardware, but not the proper bloodlines
the FED, their printing press

.. this is getting too long, so I'll race to the end


I'd rather think that the enemy of US/NATO is not Gaddafi, but his rebels.
the rebels of East Lybia (where the oil is) are 'natural' Al-Qaeda, set up by arab freemasons and MI6, and 'canon fodder'
they are religious, uneducated, manupulated, .. the pawns that die

Kadaffi, has the niche of 'socialism' on top of oil & 40 years of cleverness (and respect for women, and free education & health care, BTW)

the US set up the Al-Qaeda for 'role playing' purposes, they get old guns, bomb material .. and die

the US bigger picture is general mayhem for the purpose of homeland choas and the coverup of Wallstreet & FED & IMF & UN & Worldbank crimes and 911

the US Agenda is - still - the overthrow of Iran (with help from the inside), and a war with China (supported by the inside)

China's big dogs are all Kadaffi's, and agree with the Illuminati Agenda of a major confrontation to cull masses and masses, of Chinese, of Asians ..
and help the ASM to 'start over' in the US (& Europe), with them now having a monopoly on all and any power, oil, food, medical treatment

.. skip ..

Kadaffi is caught inbetween

to much oil (& water), for a new generation of wannahaves in Illuminati NATO
.. a new generation of Iluminati kids must have somthing to do, right


The presence of coalition troops is for containment of
1- Islamists
2- Arab revolutions.

no containment,
.. perpetual warfare, terrorism, corporate 'security' companies
no Arab revolution,
.. merely the reshuffeling of the assets

the arabs can join the 'consumption' economy, and be as free as an American under the Patriot Act and with foodstamps on a credit card


The revolutions blowing all over in the Arab world are now considered as a threat to Israel,

there are different factions in Israel
in and out of the loop
(you might have noticed, jewish people are closer to the money press then the average dog)

there's a group who want a 'greater israel'
crazy masons of course, want a temple of salomon

but Illuminati have allways considered that Isreal 'takes the fall', ..
.. destroyed (mostly) 'because of bad behaving jews'
.. and for a reason .. a nice clean map
.. also, Illuminati don't really give a rats ass about 'jews'
.. they might be relatives .. many times removed
.. the ones you dont want to invite for your parties


as everyone knows that first issue on the Arab's union agenda would be to free Palestine.

the Arabs as a people have no say ..
Arab freemasons have some say
the Palestinian issue is a mere intermezzo

think crazy 'democracy', corporate 'leadership', politicians bought & payed for

after a major reshake worldwide
then all options are there ..
for the then present Illuminati to choose from

.. or so they think

winning .. :Cry:

(sorry for the long response, I considered this an exercise in fast typing :cool:)

[celestia]

Many many thanks Majapahit for illuminating me!
This deserves further readings, I'm also busy doing research on some points, if not all :)
I still believe in love and values to help our world as I believe in the goodness of human nature.
It is disastrous what men have been doing on this earth under the name of religion, as I think it the main reason behind most if not all issues.
This reminds me of a saying by Amine Maalouf: "When faith becomes hate, blessed are those who doubt"

Lots of love.

[W.C.]

Here is something of consideration,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ4u-v-PJbs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ4u-v-PJbs

[Lord Sidious]

Khaddafi is a despot. He also supports terrorism and is responsible for the civil war in the Sudan where the muslims are killing the Christians. His intelligence people organized the Lockerbee bombing and an attack that killed many servicemen in Germany.

That said, I wish we'd leave him alone. The US is broke and the military is stretched thin from being in Afghanistan and Iraq (not to mentioned a lot of other places). On top of that, 45 million Americans are on food stamps and who knows how many are on extended unemployment benefits. We can't afford another war yet our Nobel Peace Prize winning president plunges into another act of military folly. Last, I'd rather have Khaddafi in power than some wahabist.

Edited to add: I don't think the American Commando Supremo is a light worker and it makes me nausea to think we had a thread here on Project Avalon where many members professed their admiration of him. Clearly they were deceived by his ad campaign and positive media image and even thought he was a light worker. I vote third party so don't blame me.

I would suggest that there is a drug/CIA connection to Lockerbie that is not very well known.
As for ''terrorism'' that term means nothing.
''REAL'' terrorism is when you decide one day that nation x is bad and then you simply take them out.
The western nations are THE terrorists, the poor bastards attacked can't fight back, what are they meant to do?
This isn't always the case, but more often than not, it is.
The question we need to ask ourselves is why now?
Ghaddafi was ok last month, but not this month. Why?
If we can find the answer, not only will we know the why, we will have a damn good idea of the who as well.
I suspect these guys.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZCyOWLrRTE


Here is something of consideration,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ4u-v-PJbs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ4u-v-PJbs

Pressing the thanks button is not sufficient for you posting this vid.
Thanks for that.
I have the green book and it is interesting as is it's author.
You can see that he is not stupid, but in all likelyhood, he is far wiser than many.
And if it is true that his mother was of jewish extraction, then that is also interesting.
http://israelinsider.net/profiles/blogs/with-a-jewish-grandma-and-a
He is right about the one state solution and the dimona plant and Kennedy.

[W.C.]

'Indeed, it was Gaddafi’s Libya who put out the first Interpol warrant for Bin Laden’s arrest in 1998. Western intelligence agencies blocked the warrant from being pursued, and allowed Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda to go on and kill more than 200 people in the truck bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.'
Paul Joseph Watson, Infowars.com

[W.C.]

Pressing the thanks button is not sufficient for you posting this vid.
Thanks for that.
I have the green book and it is interesting as is it's author.
You can see that he is not stupid, but in all likelyhood, he is far wiser than many.
And if it is true that his mother was of jewish extraction, then that is also interesting.
http://israelinsider.net/profiles/blogs/with-a-jewish-grandma-and-a
He is right about the one state solution and the dimona plant and Kennedy.

I've read similar regarding his Jewish extraction.

I'm interested in learning more about how he had Humanitarian or whatnot award winners from Libya in charge of human rights at the UN, no less. Gaddafi built a rather giant water pipeline through the country and Libya, as a result holds a considerable water supply throughout the country -- I definitely wouldn't mind finding out more about him.

[celestia]

A lot of what he says actually makes sense, and I learnt to take some of his words as true in part thanks to your comments on them.
It is nevertheless this same man who plunged his country into a comatose state as regarding education, health among other things. A country as rich of its oil as Libya could have been a developed country if it wasn't ruled by a despot. This is only to signal that he might hold the truth about some points, however, his foolishness is best seen in the very way he ruled Libya.
This is a link on the French plans to topple Gaddafi with the help of his men http://www.voltairenet.org/article169069.html
I should have chosen another moment to look for the truth cause now it is being the first casualty of this war, too difficult to find!

Peace and love

[mondaze]

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/03/RIR-110327.php i've just started listening to this so im not sure of its veracity but i add here for your perusal

[majapahit]

A lot of what he says actually makes sense, and I learnt to take some of his words as true in part thanks to your comments on them.

It is nevertheless this same man who plunged his country into a comatose state as regarding education, health among other things.
Where did you read that?
I am not a Kadaffi fan
.. but I was surprised to read Kadaffi, contrary to arab monarchies, has actually build his nation
.. have read a dutch article containing an interview of people in his home town, that state 'we like Kadaffi', because we "get free education & free healthcare" ..

A country as rich of its oil as Libya could have been a developed country if it wasn't ruled by a despot.
The rule of the Anglo Saxon Mission is this: Arab/Muslim countries are not allowed to develop, besides their ruling sellout, who are 'persuaded' to buy our Treasury racket.

This is only to signal that he might hold the truth about some points, however, his foolishness is best seen in the very way he ruled Libya.

so, you'd better not hear this from Fox News :mod:

This is a link on the French plans to topple Gaddafi with the help of his men http://www.voltairenet.org/article169069.html
I should have chosen another moment to look for the truth cause now it is being the first casualty of this war, too difficult to find!
this link on voltairenet.org simply documents a
John Perkins - "Economic Hit Man" scenario
- a vindictive underling defects to France staying at the very posh the Concorde Lafayette Hotel
- "a French ‘commercial’ delegation leaves for Benghazi", meaning a research of what is there to ROB
- a proper coup d'etat is organized by 'finding' more defectors
- Frances secret service contacts UK and USA
- they think it a marvelous and swell idea, .. the price being obvious
- Italy backs down, because really, the Lybian oilfields are their oilfields
- NATO doesnt care about Italy, because Italy is talking too much with Russia (Putin)

et voila
110+ cruise missiles fired on Lybia

and I strongly suggest it is the wrong thing to do :cool:

[celestia]

Yes they get free education and free health care but what an education and what a health care! I'm just going to tell you that now in Tunisia doctors, medical labs, drug stores, private schools, mechanics and the list goes on... are all suffering a crisis because of what's happening in Libya. Libyans have money more than average Tunisians or Algerians sure, but they have almost nothing in Libya. As for education, the government does not give any importance to it. In that same green book among other things Gaddafi says that they need no education in libya. Another passage: "Women, like men, are human beings. This is an incontestable truth... Women are different from men in form because they are females, just as all females in the kingdom of plants and animals differ from the male of their species... According to gynaecologists women, unlike men, menstruate each month... Since men cannot be impregnated they do not experience the ailments that women do"
excerpt from the Green Book.
Libya suffers from a lack of qualified Libyan teachers. As a consequence, 2 hours of classes each day are/were devoted to Gaddafi's Green Book . Libya's most educated and qualified citizens chose exile. http://countrystudies.us/libya/56.htm
In times of Ben Ali if you asked me about Tunisia, I would also have said that "we liked Ben Ali and that we're living in a paradise on earth!"
The rule of ASM, wouldn't have gone that far if through the years we have not been ruled by vile thieves, but we have been betrayed by our own people so why blame others.

I keep faith and carry on looking onto a better future. The day i'll stop is the day i'll die, this is the very way I feel FREE.

:)

[majapahit]

Yes they get free education and free health care ..
that's Kadaffi 1 Celestia 0

.. but what an education and what a health care! I'm just going to tell you that now in Tunisia doctors, medical labs, drug stores, private schools, mechanics and the list goes on... are all suffering a crisis because of what's happening in Libya.
you have to explain
.. Libya is buying all goods?
.. what's happening?

no points


Libyans have money more than average Tunisians or Algerians sure, but they have almost nothing in Libya.
explain
.. they have cash but dont buy?
.. there are import tariffs?
.. there is an embargo?

my information is, Tripoli is a modern town, like Ankara or Tehran?

no points


As for education, the government does not give any importance to it. In that same green book among other things Gaddafi says that they need no education in libya. Another passage: "Women, like men, are human beings. This is an incontestable truth... Women are different from men in form because they are females, just as all females in the kingdom of plants and animals differ from the male of their species... According to gynaecologists women, unlike men, menstruate each month... Since men cannot be impregnated they do not experience the ailments that women do"
excerpt from the Green Book.
OK this is silly ..

.. but it is True

what I think is, you're comparing education with EU countries, USA, or in your case .. France
Where did you go to school?

perhaps you're a young person and dont quite are aware what to compare what with what ?(you're watching too much MTV?)

Or you should take note of what I perceive of this situation.

Libya when gaining Independence was WAY backward in education ..
.. perhaps Kadaffi is too slow for your liking
.. but/yes, his green book is silly.

he learned this from his commie educators .. what's there more to say

but still
ok,

Kadaffi +1 celestia +1


Libya suffers from a lack of qualified Libyan teachers. As a consequence, 2 hours of classes each day are/were devoted to Gaddafi's Green Book . Libya's most educated and qualified citizens chose exile. http://countrystudies.us/libya/56.htm
this link says:
"During the 1970s, the training of teachers was pushed in an effort to replace the Egyptian and other expatriate personnel who made up the majority of the teaching corps. "
"In 1986 official sources placed total enrollments at more than 1,245,000 students, of whom 670,000 (54 percent) were males and 575,000 (46 percent) were females."
"By 1977, with expanding school opportunities, the rate had risen to 51 percent overall, or 73 percent for males and 31 percent for females. Relatively low though it was, the rate for females had soared from the scanty 6 percent registered as recently as 1964."

.. and this goes on
.. and on
.. and on
.. a slow but sure & steady improvement both in education and women rights

Kadaffi +1 Celestia +0


In times of Ben Ali if you asked me about Tunisia, I would also have said that "we liked Ben Ali and that we're living in a paradise on earth!"
'freedom of speech' is an inflated entity
.. and mostly used for propaganda (ask Kadaffi, he knows :panda:)
the USA is now under the Patriot Act .. which is bad, very bad, very very bad

but no points for Kadaffi
Kadaffi 0 Celastia 0


The rule of ASM, wouldn't have gone that far if through the years we have not been ruled by vile thieves, but we have been betrayed by our own people so why blame others.

the ASM made SURE, persons like Kadaffi or Ben Ali or Mubarak or the Saudi came to power ..
.. very, very, very sure

and it seems Kadaffi is the better thief than the rest of the Arab dictators
.. Saudi, police state, very bad, filthy rich hypocrites, rape their maids
.. Syria, police state, very bad
.. Egypt, not too bad, not good, no oil, no sigar
.. Iran, with the (UK-oil) Sjah, police state, very bad, Kohmeini: eh, silly?
.. Marocco, run like a private company from the King, not quote as nasty as Syria

etc etc etc

Kadaffi +1 Ben Ali -1 Saudi -2 .. Celestia 0

the - preliminary - results is: Kadaffi 4 Celestia 1
:cool:

P.S.
of course Kadaffi should go, but not by NATO
.. and the Saudi should go first
.. then Syria
.. then ..
.. then Celestia must be liberated

[W.C.]

Is Libya being bombed by bloody U.S. Zio thugs because Gaddafi wants to introduce gold dinar?
http://www.kavkaz.org.uk/eng/content/2011/03/22/13882.shtml

'Colonel Gaddafi offered to create a single African state with the Arab and Black African population numbering 200 million people... The idea of creating a single gold currency and uniting the countries of Africa into one powerful federal system.'

'Colonel Muammar Gaddafi decided to repeat the attempts by French General de Gaulle to abandon the use of U.S. junk paper money called "dollars" and return to gold, i.e. he attempted to attack the chief power of modern parasitic Zio Democracy - the banking system.'

[W.C.]

I've located some information on the water in Libya too:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/virtually-unknown-in-the-west-libyas-water-resources.html

'The 1st of September marks the anniversary of the opening of the major stage of Libya’s Great Man-Made River Project. This incredibly huge and successful water scheme is virtually unknown in the West, yet it rivals and even surpasses all our greatest development projects. The leader of the so-called advanced countries, the United States of America cannot bring itself to acknowledge Libya’s Great Man-Made River. The West refuses to recognize that a small country, with a population no more than four million, can construct anything so large without borrowing a single cent from the international banks.'

'The goal of the Libyan Arab people, embodied in the Great Man-Made River project, is to make Libya a source of agricultural abundance, capable of producing adequate food and water to supply its own needs and to share with neighboring countries. In short, the River is literally Libya’s ‘meal ticket’ to self-sufficiency.

Absolutely Not Allowed.'

[Pagan]

Interesting pravda Articles on Libya:

http://english.pravda.ru//history/27..._liberation-0/


http://english.pravda.ru//hotspots/crimes/22-03-2011/117288-Another_Shocking_UN_cover_up_about_Libya-0/

http://english.pravda.ru//world/africa/28-03-2011/117362-open_letter-0/

[shybastid]

There was a movie called "Ishtar" starring Warren Beatty,Dustin Hoffman and Charles Groden. Never mind the storyline.

In the movie there is a classic scene.

Charles Groden is a CIA operative. He is in a tent in the desert talking to a shiek.He is telling the shiek how he was rooting for him and the country the whole time...
Phone rings... Groden tells Sheik... "I'll be right back."
Runs a mile in the sand to another tent and another shiek.
Goes into tent and says"shiek,congradulations,you won,we were with you the whole time"
Phone rings again.
Groden "Sheik,stay here,I'll be right back"
BACK to the other tent..
"Sheik!! WE DID IT Congradulations!"
Phone rings again....and this goes on..back and forth too many times but you get the point.

Too many countries for us to ACT neuteral, while behind the scenes, we manipulate any out comes for whatever reasons we choose.

It's finally catching up to us. This is some serious chit we're playing with here.

Gold,Freedom,Water,Oil...This chaos is making someone happy except the populance regardless of which reason.

Picking sides in an unrest is not in our best interest.

How the heck we pick and choose which unrests we get involved in is fricking insanity.

We are playing with lit dynamite here.

Russians,Israel, PICK a country that could lob a bomb off here in the U.S. and we have a REAL false flag here. We'll be running around out of our skins trying to find blame.

With the threat of natural disasters looming in the back of our minds,the last thing we need is manmade threats based on political and financial gain.

Beyond insanity to me.

And of COURSE I want the people of the world to prosper. Not with my weapons and bombs. NOW we're supplying Al Quida the weapons? Better AlQuida then Khadaf?

I have no clue who to believe and/or trust in this crap. Especially the U.S. government dammit.

[celestia]

Interesting pravda Articles on Libya:

http://english.pravda.ru//history/27..._liberation-0/


http://english.pravda.ru//hotspots/crimes/22-03-2011/117288-Another_Shocking_UN_cover_up_about_Libya-0/

http://english.pravda.ru//world/africa/28-03-2011/117362-open_letter-0/

A Russian website ...
Observations that bear some truth but a lot of false and biased information.
thanks for the link

[Fred Steeves]

What I am seeing here I have not seen addressed anywhere yet. Sure at different levels in the chess game it's all these nasty things mentioned, plus the luxury of bumping Japan from the headlines. But, me thinks there is something MUCH more happening here. Congress is neutered, and everything revolves around the U.N. Security Council and the loving international community. What I suggest this is really about is the grand introduction of the world army David Icke has warned about for so long. A loving and benevolent world army of course....

By their fruits we will know them. Let's just see where they aim to 'help' next. Just listen to Joseph Lieberman, he'll tell you.

Cheers,
Fred S.

[shybastid]

The scary part is I always kept the news on in the background while I work in my home office,just to keep an eye on things.

It's moving so fast from so many diifferent directions now...I'm almost FEARFUL to even turn it on because I'm becoming desensitized to it.

That's what's really starting to trouble me now.....becoming desensitized because I DO care.

I'm not burying my head in the sand..and I don't watch "Dancing with Stars on Ice as American Idols" to forget what's going on around me.

But...did the Paradigm shift just effect the negative?

That it?

I DON"T want doomsdayers to get to say "I told you so."

Not my style.

But Geeezzzz already... Next stop...U.S. destruction from mother nature..Flooding..EQ's and Country is broke.

If I hear how broke we are one more time while we just spent 25billion dollars bombing Libyia,building a new Embassy in Iraq..and we need more ground crews in Afghanistan.... I'm gonna...

I'm gonna.... ummmm find a demonstration and participate.

Yeah... THAT'LL show them.

sigh

[shybastid]

Thanks for the thank you Butcherman..

Noted.

Lord Sidious understands too.

Don't mix me up in these false alarms.

And know..anyone from Avalon or Camelot can stay here if need.:blabla:

[Lord Sidious]

2,200 Marines Go To Libya, ‘What Happened to No Boots on the Ground’?

By Warner Todd Huston

In all the reporting on the involvement of US Forces in Libya a report by WCTI Channel 12 News in New Bern, North Carolina seems to have gone by almost unnoticed. The News channel reports that 2,200 U.S. Marines have been shipped off the Libya. But doesn’t this deployment clash with Obama’s supposedly steadfast claim that there will be “no boots on the ground” in Libya?

On March 20 WCTI reported that the Marines were shipping out.

About 2,200 Marines from the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit, or 26th MEU will take part. Their mission is to help end the violence directed at the Libyan people.

“In Libya right now they are doing exactly what we need them to do. They are doing what they are told and right now that’s protecting Libyan people against Qadhafi forces,” said Captain Timothy Patrick, a Marine with the 26th MEU.

So, what is it? Are there Marines in Libya or will there be “no boots on the ground”? If there are Marines there, what are they there for?

Just what is Obama’s plan? What is his strategy? Is there one?

One suspects that US ground forces will have to become engaged if anything solid is to happen in NATO’s engagement in Libya. And it seems like Obama is warming us up for that yet.

In a recent interview Obama used some artful spin on our involvement there. He said that the US is being “volunteered to carry out missions” in Libya. Volunteered? By whom?

And we will continue to support the efforts to protect the Libyan people, but we will not be in the lead. That’s what the transition that I discussed has always been designed to do. We have unique capabilities. We came in, up front, fairly readily, fairly substantially, and at considerable risk to our military personnel. And when this transition takes place, it is not going to be our planes that are maintaining the no-fly zone. It is not going to be our ships that are necessarily involved in enforcing the arms embargo. That’s precisely what the other coalition partners are going to do.

And that’s why building this international coalition has been so important because it means that the United States is not bearing all the cost. It means that we have confidence that we are not going in alone, and it is our military that is being volunteered by others to carry out missions that are important not only to us, but are important internationally. And we will accomplish that in a relatively short period of time. (emphasis added)

With the fact that one NATO ally has already pulled its troops from Libya, one has to wonder where this is headed for US forces?

**UPDATED**

Dan Riehl reports that an additional 400 Marines are headed to Libya, too.
____________
“The only end of writing is to enable the reader better to enjoy life, or better to endure it.”
–Samuel Johnson

Warner Todd Huston is a Chicago based freelance writer. He has been writing opinion editorials and social criticism since early 2001 and before that he wrote articles on U.S. history for several small American magazines. His political columns are featured on many websites such as Andrew Breitbart’s BigGovernment.com, BigHollywood.com, and BigJournalism.com, as well as RightWingNews.com, RightPundits.com, CanadaFreePress.com, StoptheACLU.com, AmericanDaily.com, among many, many others. Mr. Huston is also endlessly amused that one of his articles formed the basis of an article in Germany’s Der Spiegel Magazine in 2008.

http://www.publiusforum.com/2011/03/23/2200-marines-go-to-libya-what-happened-to-no-boots-on-the-ground/

Don't nag me about the source, I picked this up elsewhere, so I have no idea if they are good or not.
Just putting this up for consideration.

[Calz]

check what Webster Tarpley has to say about Kadaffi

- Libya best developed and socialized Arab country
- Libya best record on women education
- best education, beats many western nations
- developed middle class by dissipating Oil wealth (compare that!)
- low crime rate and suppression of free speech, compared with the USA, Saudi Arabia, Syria etc

yes, he's eccentric and should retire

but the US UK France are only there for
- Oil
- Oil
- Oil
- to 'aid' al-Qaeda, for the 'rebellious' Eastern province, is the (a) homebase for CIA's al-Qaeda

as such the USA/NATO/and the House of Indecent People is 'liberating' Libya, by aiding al-Qaeda

therefore
the real crazy people are
- the USA voters
- the UK voters
- the French voters

I would mostly agree except with the voting part.

We could well be crazy ... but voting is completely illusory ... the elite select a few puppets who will bow down to them and *that* is what we the people have to chose from to "vote" on.

Oil yes. Don't forget the gold and water.

When taken in context with what is going on in the rest of the region it can be taken in one of two manners:

1). There is REALLY revolution going on.

2). The PTB/W are doing their little psyop false flag thing to build to the next major war.

As always ... IMHO

[Humble Janitor]

Why are people in this thread harping on voters?

We didn't even have a chance to vote on this!

Unless it's some kind of hidden anger towards those who put the current leaders in power? That I can understand but in the name of all that's good, don't blame voters who didn't have a choice in THIS conflict!

[Calz]

What I am seeing here I have not seen addressed anywhere yet. Sure at different levels in the chess game it's all these nasty things mentioned, plus the luxury of bumping Japan from the headlines. But, me thinks there is something MUCH more happening here. Congress is neutered, and everything revolves around the U.N. Security Council and the loving international community. What I suggest this is really about is the grand introduction of the world army David Icke has warned about for so long. A loving and benevolent world army of course....

By their fruits we will know them. Let's just see where they aim to 'help' next. Just listen to Joseph Lieberman, he'll tell you.

Cheers,
Fred S.

Lieberman is already bellowing for Syria:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/0311/Joe_Lieberman_Syria_could_be_next_target.html

[Lord Sidious]

Why are people in this thread harping on voters?

We didn't even have a chance to vote on this!

Unless it's some kind of hidden anger towards those who put the current leaders in power? That I can understand but in the name of all that's good, don't blame voters who didn't have a choice in THIS conflict!

Oh, but you do have a choice.
Don't go to the polls.
What will happen if NO ONE votes?



What I am seeing here I have not seen addressed anywhere yet. Sure at different levels in the chess game it's all these nasty things mentioned, plus the luxury of bumping Japan from the headlines. But, me thinks there is something MUCH more happening here. Congress is neutered, and everything revolves around the U.N. Security Council and the loving international community. What I suggest this is really about is the grand introduction of the world army David Icke has warned about for so long. A loving and benevolent world army of course....

By their fruits we will know them. Let's just see where they aim to 'help' next. Just listen to Joseph Lieberman, he'll tell you.

Cheers,
Fred S.

Lieberman is already bellowing for Syria:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/0311/Joe_Lieberman_Syria_could_be_next_target.html

So wesley clark was right.
Not that this is a surprise, he was told the plan.

[Calz]

Obama, allies must decide on arming Libya rebels

Latest :bs: from MSM:

LONDON - Libya's rebels have been badly beaten back over the past two days by a far better-armed force backing Col. Muammar Qaddafi. They have lost the momentum gained over the weekend under cover of fierce NATO bombing against Qaddafi's military hardware.


Now, President Obama is being forced to grapple with a decision on whether to provide the rag-tag rebels with U.S. weaponry -- a decision which could quickly divide the cautious international military coalition operating over and around Libya, and could even backfire in more dramatic fashion further down the road.


NATO's top commander conceded Tuesday that there were "flickers" of al Qaeda and Hezbollah amongst the rebels fighting on the ground. The fighters' long-term interests in seeing democracy rise in the north African nation remain questionable.


President Obama told CBS News in an interview aired Tuesday night that the few rebel leaders American officials have met were "fully vetted, so we have a clear sense of who they are, and so far they're saying the right things, and most of them are professionals, lawyers, doctors, people who appear to be credible."

Obama on U.S. strategy in Libya
Obama: Qaddafi's "days are numbered"
Complete coverage: Anger in the Arab World

With historical perspective, one might ask how "vetted" and "credible" the rebels in Afghanistan appeared to the U.S. government which armed them against the occupying Soviet forces in the 1980s. Those rebels, known as the Mujahideen, became the Taliban and al Qaeda-linked militants presently fighting U.S. forces in Afghanistan.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20048619-503543.html?tag=stack

[Humble Janitor]

Why are people in this thread harping on voters?

We didn't even have a chance to vote on this!

Unless it's some kind of hidden anger towards those who put the current leaders in power? That I can understand but in the name of all that's good, don't blame voters who didn't have a choice in THIS conflict!

Oh, but you do have a choice.
Don't go to the polls.
What will happen if NO ONE votes?



What I am seeing here I have not seen addressed anywhere yet. Sure at different levels in the chess game it's all these nasty things mentioned, plus the luxury of bumping Japan from the headlines. But, me thinks there is something MUCH more happening here. Congress is neutered, and everything revolves around the U.N. Security Council and the loving international community. What I suggest this is really about is the grand introduction of the world army David Icke has warned about for so long. A loving and benevolent world army of course....

By their fruits we will know them. Let's just see where they aim to 'help' next. Just listen to Joseph Lieberman, he'll tell you.

Cheers,
Fred S.

Lieberman is already bellowing for Syria:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/0311/Joe_Lieberman_Syria_could_be_next_target.html

So wesley clark was right.
Not that this is a surprise, he was told the plan.

Well DUH! The U.S federal election isn't until next year.

You can't yell at us now if the time to vote hasn't even passed! LOL.

[Lord Sidious]

Why are people in this thread harping on voters?

We didn't even have a chance to vote on this!

Unless it's some kind of hidden anger towards those who put the current leaders in power? That I can understand but in the name of all that's good, don't blame voters who didn't have a choice in THIS conflict!

Oh, but you do have a choice.
Don't go to the polls.
What will happen if NO ONE votes?



What I am seeing here I have not seen addressed anywhere yet. Sure at different levels in the chess game it's all these nasty things mentioned, plus the luxury of bumping Japan from the headlines. But, me thinks there is something MUCH more happening here. Congress is neutered, and everything revolves around the U.N. Security Council and the loving international community. What I suggest this is really about is the grand introduction of the world army David Icke has warned about for so long. A loving and benevolent world army of course....

By their fruits we will know them. Let's just see where they aim to 'help' next. Just listen to Joseph Lieberman, he'll tell you.

Cheers,
Fred S.

Lieberman is already bellowing for Syria:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/0311/Joe_Lieberman_Syria_could_be_next_target.html

So wesley clark was right.
Not that this is a surprise, he was told the plan.

Well DUH! The U.S federal election isn't until next year.

You can't yell at us now if the time to vote hasn't even passed! LOL.

Because you guys are the only ones voting and involved in the war.

[Calz]

Because you guys are the only ones voting and involved in the war.

Normally I am one of your biggest fans :fans:

You see and say exactly what is going on.

This time you lost me. :noidea:

Wars are not voted on ... they are SUPPOSED to be voted on IN CONGRESS but that hasn't happened for a long time as whatever elite puppet sits on the thrown writes an executive order or similar nonsense to go to war on behalf of the elite.

Even if you are referring to *voting* for a president ... I *KNOW* that you *KNOW* every damn campaign promise going back at least 50 years was total nonsense.

:bs:

as for being the only one involved in the war ... nation states are part and parcel of the illusion (you know that).

there is, of course, this year's version of the "coalition of the willing".

the ball is back in your court (I sent my page to look for my light saber just in case) :laser:

:fencing:

[Lord Sidious]

Because you guys are the only ones voting and involved in the war.

Normally I am one of your biggest fans :fans:

You see and say exactly what is going on.

This time you lost me. :noidea:

Wars are not voted on ... they are SUPPOSED to be voted on IN CONGRESS but that hasn't happened for a long time as whatever elite puppet sits on the thrown writes an executive order or similar nonsense to go to war on behalf of the elite.

Even if you are referring to *voting* for a president ... I *KNOW* that you *KNOW* every damn campaign promise going back at least 50 years was total nonsense.

:bs:

as for being the only one involved in the war ... nation states are part and parcel of the illusion (you know that).

there is, of course, this year's version of the "coalition of the willing".

the ball is back in your court (I sent my page to look for my light saber just in case) :laser:

:fencing:

Ok, I will spell it out for ya nugget.
America isn't the only ones playing the game and you aren't the only one with elections, there are others playing the game too.
Ok?

[Calz]

Ok, I will spell it out for ya nugget.

America isn't the only ones playing the game and you aren't the only one with elections, there are others playing the game too.
Ok?

Okay ... my spelling isn't too good due to the education system but that is another thread.

I said:


nation states are part and parcel of the illusion

u respond:


America isn't the only ones playing the game

Fair enough ... I flunked telepathy 101 ... can you elaborate?

Talking bloodlines???

Talking multidimensionals controlling said bloodlines???

Talking "beyond" controlling said multidimensionals???

I am not raising a flag here :usa2: and not trying to pick a fight (never been to Perth although I wanted to move to Oz when I was young).

I am really quite honestly trying to understand you this time. If I understand then perhaps I will agree completely???

Even if we don't agree that is fine ... forum is for bringing people together to express themselves and hopefully learn from the experience.


I said:


Wars are not voted on

and added:


Even if you are referring to *voting* for a president ... every damn campaign promise going back at least 50 years was total nonsense.

u respond:


you aren't the only one with elections, there are others playing the game too.

:sorry: it would appear I remain a clueless nugget. :wacko2:

Unless you can elaborate I simply don't know how to respond to that.

I am here at Avalon in hopes of learning and you have provided great insight into the inner workings of the world with most of your posts.

For that I am sincerely quite grateful :)

I just "paged my page" and told him to forget about the light saber ... I stand down.

[Lord Sidious]

Ok, I will spell it out for ya nugget.

America isn't the only ones playing the game and you aren't the only one with elections, there are others playing the game too.
Ok?

Okay ... my spelling isn't too good due to the education system but that is another thread.

I said:


nation states are part and parcel of the illusion

u respond:


America isn't the only ones playing the game

Fair enough ... I flunked telepathy 101 ... can you elaborate?

Talking bloodlines???

Talking multidimensionals controlling said bloodlines???

Talking "beyond" controlling said multidimensionals???

I am not raising a flag here :usa2: and not trying to pick a fight (never been to Perth although I wanted to move to Oz when I was young).

I am really quite honestly trying to understand you this time. If I understand then perhaps I will agree completely???

Even if we don't agree that is fine ... forum is for bringing people together to express themselves and hopefully learn from the experience.


I said:


Wars are not voted on

and added:


Even if you are referring to *voting* for a president ... every damn campaign promise going back at least 50 years was total nonsense.

u respond:


you aren't the only one with elections, there are others playing the game too.

:sorry: it would appear I remain a clueless nugget. :wacko2:

Unless you can elaborate I simply don't know how to respond to that.

I am here at Avalon in hopes of learning and you have provided great insight into the inner workings of the world with most of your posts.

For that I am sincerely quite grateful :)

I just "paged my page" and told him to forget about the light saber ... I stand down.

Hey boxhead, I am not fighting with you or anyone.
Well, maybe that little green communist, but I haven't seen him around here for a while.
ANYWAYS, there are other nations playing the war on terror stupidity and playing votes mean something game too.
The UK just had an election.
The post I quoted was very US centric as if that is all there is to the whole game.
Comprendomundo senor?

[Calz]

Hey boxhead, I am not fighting with you or anyone.



Boxhead ... boxhead???

That's new.

Either I have graduated nugget training or else I am being demoted to the Empire Drone frontline. :pout:

May the Force be with me.

Perhaps I need to start a prayer request thread :pray:

Just kidding ... standing down ... back to topic.

:yield: :offtopic:

[W.C.]

'America's true reason for attacking Libya becomes clear with new central bank'

March 30th, 2011 11:28 am ET, Kenneth Schortgen Jr

America's true reason for intervention, and missile attacks against Libya has become very clear today with a sudden creation by the rebels of a new central bank on March 29th.

http://www.examiner.com/finance-examiner-in-national/america-s-true-reason-for-attacking-libya-becomes-clear-with-new-central-bank

'The rebels in Libya are in the middle of a life or death civil war and Moammar Gadhafi is still in power, and yet somehow the Libyan rebels have had enough time to establish a new Central Bank of Libya and form a new national oil company. Perhaps when this conflict is over those rebels can become time management consultants. They sure do get a lot done. What a skilled bunch of rebels - they can fight a war during the day and draw up a new central bank and a new national oil company at night without any outside help whatsoever.'

[Lord Sidious]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMOtC9zGQHI

[W.C.]

I think this is a highly relevant little video to throw in here, well worth the watch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh3o4mPwLEs

[W.C.]

[WARNING - Graphic Content]

Libyan Rebels execute, behead, and mutilate Gaddafi Soldiers who surrender - Where is CNN now?
http://uruknet.de/?p=m76906


Pro-Gaddafi Soldiers who have surrendered have been executed by Rebels in Cold Blood. Blindfolded, hog-tied, beat, hung, beheaded, put on fire, mutiliated, and in one documented case, a Soldier had his heart cut out of his chest when he proclaimed that his "heart is for Gaddafi."

In Misrata the Rebels burned some soldiers, and waved and danced around with the charred remains of their corpses.

These are the incredible facts surrounding the kind of people that comprise the bulk of the benghazi terror gangs, aka "Opposition" forces.

Yes, this is Hillary Clinton, Cameron, Sarkozy and Obama's proxy neocolonial army at work. Not very "humanitarian" - the favorite word of the day that the imperialists are employing to bomb and invade Libya.

[W.C.]

Click on the picture and enlarge -- some interesting comparisons between Libya and America:

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