Eric J (Viking)
25th March 2011, 16:54
The start of many...
Criminal charges were filed against Pope.
March 23, 2011
Criminal charges were filed against Pope Benedict XVI at the International World Court last month by two lawyers from the Pope’s home state of Bavaria.
The charges, which allege crimes against humanity, were submitted by Christian Sailer and Gert-Joachim Hetzel of Marktheidenfeld to Dr Luis Moreno Ocampo, the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court at the Hague.
further reading and pdf doc ... interesting read
http://www.welcomethelight.com/2011/03/the-pope-indicted-at-the-icc-for-crimes-against-humanity/
viking
Davidallany
25th March 2011, 18:19
Some Religious laws and ideas are the roots of abuse, conceits and evil around there world.
str8thinker
26th March 2011, 01:14
Nice try, wrong man.
Now, if it was the Black Pope, the world might become a better place.
http://www.remnantofgod.org/blackpope.htm
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/blackpope.htm
http://www.meguiar.addr.com/black_pope.htm
RAKMEiSTER
26th March 2011, 01:25
thats the next and last one, str8thinker. black pope the last pope. (malachi)
and i dont think you want what he embodies. if there is 1 more to come. which
either/or its current one and last one, or one referred to as last one if it would match the nr
so im my view. black pope isnt the current one, from chronological angle seen.
112. The LAST POPE!
(Peter the Roman) "In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge the people. The End."
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican14b.htm
Black Pope, German Pope
Now for those of you looking for a real "Black Pope" quatrain that may apply to Benedict XVI, Quatrain 6.16 is it. Not only that, but it tells us the Pope will be a German:
Benedict XVI: The Black Pope from the Black Forest?Quatrain 6.16
That which the young Hawk (Chiren?) will carry off,
Through the Normans of France and Picardy:
The black-robed ones of the temple of the Black Forest
Will make a shelter and fire at Lombardy.
If Benedict XVI is the pope who flees the Vatican, it is to France he will likely find refuge. One would not expect his route to run from Rome through the south along the dangerous Mediterranean through Monaco and northwards to Avignon from Marseilles. These regions are the ones that will come under seige and attack by the southern wedge of the Eastern army. Rather, his route would likely be via Milan in Lombardy (northern Italy) to Swiss Ticino (also called Tessin), westward through the Alps, and into northeastern France. Whether he goes south to Avignon or not is difficult to say, but if he does he will die there.
It is even possible this is not connected with the pope who later dies in Avignon, but merely a temporary papal "trip" to northern Italy.
Here we see the Pope and all of his black-robed clergy sheltering in Lombardy. Nostradamus calls this pontificate "the temple of the Black Forest." Thus, we have both a "Black Pope" quatrain and one that identifies the Pope as being from the Black Forest in Germany.
NOSTRADAMUS PREDICTED A GERMAN POPE, A BLACK-ROBED POPE FROM THE BLACK FOREST
ALSO: THE TEN FUTURE POPES OF NOSTRADAMUS
By Michael W. McClellan
May 8, 2005
Background: Abbot Joachim and the "R" Pope, Merlin and the Great German Anti-Pope
Yes, it is possible an 11th Century abbot, among other prophets, foresaw the coming of a cardinal named Ratzinger who would become pope. Lost among the many prophecies of Europe during the last 2,000 years is one that may indeed apply to the current pope:
Abbot "Merlin" Joachim (d. 1202) --
At the beginning, in order to obtain these happy results, having need of a powerful temporal assistance, this holy Pontiff will ask the cooperation of the generous monarch of France (Great Monarch). At that time a handsome monarch, a scion of King Pepin, will come as a pilgrim to witness the splendor of this glorious pontiff, whose name shall begin with R . . . A temporal throne becoming vacant, the Pope shall place on it this king whose assistance he shall ask.
"Whose name shall begin with R." Is there any question that the name RATZINGER begins with the letter "R"? Yet this appears to be about the pope who, in most prophecies, comes to power near or at the end of World War III along with "the Great Monarch" (whom Nostradamus names "Chiren" in the quatrains).
Then again, perhaps the "great Pontiff" comes to power before the great and terrible war begins and the "Great Monarch" (who is usually French) does not take action and defeat the enemies from "the East" until near the end of the war. Thus, speculation as to whether this monarch will be French president Jacques Chirac (Chiren?) or an as-of-yet unknown figure named "Henri" or "Henry" will remain a subject of debate until this leader destined to be the "first king" of Europe drives out the Eastern armies. However, if he is to be a descendent of Pepin the Short, he would have to be of Carolingian blood, long thought to be extinct.
Upon this issue of the "great Pontiff" many prophecies are in contradiction: some say the wartime pope flees Rome and dies in exile, there is no pope or only antipopes for a few years, and then another pope (the "great Pontiff") is elected and installed at the end of the world war; others say the wartime pontiff flees Rome, goes into temporary exile, and is restored to the Vatican when the war ends.
Which shall it be?
It is possible, therefore, for Pope Benedict XVI, like Benedict XV during World War I, to reign throughout World War III and crown the French president or a new monarch of France as emperor at the conclusion of the coming conflict.
On the other hand, there is a lengthy (too lengthy for this page) prophecy by Merlin that would suggest that Benedict XVI might come to be regarded as a "German Anti-Pope" after which another pope is restored as "true Pope" by the French monarch near the end of the war.
Merlin (6th century) --
There will come a German Anti-Pope. Italy and Germany will be sorely troubled. A French King will restore the true Pope ...
In the meanwhile a powerful Prince out of the East shall provoke him to battle. Against whom the Lion shall march with all his forces and pitching his camp on this side (west) of the Euphrates, shall await him. If the Prince shall come over the river the Lion shall be overcome; but he (Lion) shall cross the river with his army and give his enemy a bloody defeat and be master of all the East.
Note that Merlin somewhat contradicts Joachim who says the Pope will select the great Monarch and restore him to the long vacant imperial throne of the Charlemagne empire. Here it is the monarch who restores the Pope.
The Pope of the Crooked Cross
Although the following quatrain alone does not identify who "the great Pontiff" may be, it is important to set the stage for one that does. Note that a time will come when the Pope has his own army. No pope has had a real army of his own since the 16th Century. And since this prophecy was never fulfilled during the 16th Century, during or after the death of Nostradamus, it must be futuristic.
Quatrain 5.44
By sea the red one will be captured by pirates,
The peace will be troubled by his policy:
The anger and greed will be revealed by a false act,
For the great Pontiff the army will be doubled.
Apparently the Cardinal Legate will be taken hostage at sea by terrorists ("pirates"), troubling a shaky peace. The European Union will double the size of the Pope's private army, indicating he already has had one for some period of time.
Quatrain 6.49
Through the party of Mars, the great Pontiff
Will subjugate the confines of the Danube:
The cross pursues with a crooked cross of iron,
Captives, gold, jewels, more than one hundred thousand rubies.
Again we see a new pope with a private army. During the latter stages of World War III, he will order a task force into lower Germany, Austria, and the former Yugoslavia to drive out what foreign forces still remain in these countries. War criminals will be pursued and captured, weapons confiscated, prisoners released from death camps, and valuables restored to the survivors.
Note that in line 3 the Pope is associated with the "crooked cross of iron": Nostradamus' description in other quatrains of the Nazi swastika. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was a member of the Hitler youth and served in the German army for two years before deserting to America. For this reason, I believe this quatrain, at least, and possibly Quatrain 5.44 above, are about the German Pope Benedict XVI and events yet to come in the near future.
Your Black Pope Theory might be correct..
----- Original Message -----
From: Ile
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 6:13 PM
Subject: Your Black Pope Theory might be correct..
hi!
Your Black Pope Theory might be correct..
If possible I found some clues?
1. clue:
When the new Pope was announced, the name announced was not Benedictus but Benedicti. Benedicti might refer to benectine order, also known as: "black monks".
here is some facts about benectine order:
"it cannot be denied that the monks often failed to live up to the monastic ideal and sometimes even fell short of the Christian and moral standards. There were failures and scandals in Benedictine history, just as there were declensions from the right path outside the cloister, for monks are, after all, but men."
Check: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02443a.htm
2. clue:
There is no crown in Benedictus Pope's "Coat of Arms"!!
check: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Coabxvi.png
or: http://www.erzbistum-muenchen.de/archiv/iMA011/iMA01116001.JPG
This could mean symbolically, that current pope is somehow "unholy".
(There is also Vatican's official explanation for symbolism in
http://212.77.1.245/holy_father/benedict_xvi/elezione/stemma-benedict-xvi_en.html)
..ile
****
p.s. Are they "forced to drink water poisoned by sulfur" in that China city "Harbin" near Russian border??? from your web page now3.htm:
"Garden of the world near the new city,
In the path of the hollow mountains:
It will be seized and plunged into a boiling cauldron,
Drinking by force the waters poisoned by sulfur."
Surely the city is "seized" and "boiling" (Cauldron is also "situation of great distress" and comes from French language). Harbin is near mountaneous area, and "hollow mountains" could mean just mountains which haves a lot of caves.
* * * * *
Hi Ile,
One thing I could not help but notice in the Pope's coat-of-arms was the likeness of the Ethiopian (or whatever African national) wearing a crown. With the thick red lips, this is the way blacks were portrayed in cartoons 100 years ago. Thus, there is a black monarch wearing a crown on the shield! Having this "royal black" in his coat-of-arms would reinforce the idea that XVI Benedicti is indeed "the black pope."
As for the unholy part, I'm not sure.
I would add, that I am not even sure the Vatican is trying to promote him as Glory of the Olive anymore. He recently sailed up the Rhine in Germany and met members of his flock along the banks. This image is strange and very powerful ... this would make him much more "Pastor and Mariner" than John XXIII ever was.
That, in turn, may strengthen my argument that the antipopes, or at least most of them, were not counted as "popes" in the list of Malachy!
I see that Harbin is a very large city of 3.8 million people ... and very modern with high rise condos and skyscrapers, etc. So the "hollow mountains" can apply here to the city buildings, just as with Tokyo, Sydney, LA, or New York. Also, Harbin is very "new" city because it was founded in 1898: 340 years after Nostradamus wrote the quatrain you quoted. Not only that, but it has a bit of Europe mixed into the culture, religion, and architecture. So, it is tempting to think perhaps the quatrain applies.
However, it is not "Garden of the world" or near any place considered "garden of the world." Indeed, it is instead called "China's Ice Capital."
Also, benzene is the chemical involved, not sulphur. Indeed, we cannot find sulphur as either a component or byproduct of benzene.
It's a tough call, all the same. I have read that a second chemical explosion has now occurred which will poison more cities in the region, not to mention East Russia. Maybe sulphur this time?
No one ever considered the possibility that this quatrain might be fulfilled by a manmade and accidental catastrophe like a chemical spill or explosion. Everyone has always thought in terms of nuclear weapons if manmade or volcanic eruptions/ asteroid impacts if "natural."
I won't rule it out that this quatrain might apply, but "Garden of the world" still best applies to New Jersey, the Garden State, right next to New York City ... and benzene is not sulphur by a long shot.
But I will concede that "new cities" need not all be in the "New World" -- they can also be anywhere in the Pacific Rim of Asia.
Perhaps this is a repetitive quatrain, and Harbin is the first city to fulfill the prophecy, or function as archetype for something far more apocalyptic down the road.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Ile
To: Mike
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: Your Black Pope Theory might be correct..
hi!
Thanks for your analysis, I can see that your analysis skills are advanced.
It's funny that I didn't realize that the black king in the Pope's coat-of-arms really was black! You don't miss a thing ... thank you for that =)
I totally agree with you. Benedictus/Benedicti seems to be anti-pope, not to forget his very hard-line conservative politics.
In order to avoid misunderstandings, Pope's offical name really is Benedictus II but the announced name (at the time when Pope was elected) was Benedicti. Benedicti is latin name, and so is Benedictus. Benedictus is "modern latin" name for the Pope.
That's why I researched meaning for Benedicti, and I found this Benedictian order, which was not established by Benedictus I hundreds of years ago (which is common belief). (But the name of the order comes from the name of pope "Benedictus I")
And the order still exists.. but it has a lot of different sects with different names. All I know that these are not organized i.e. the sects don't have top-level organization. At least one of the sects locates in Germany (which is homeland of the Benedictus II, as you know).
ile
p.s. I have to drop my Harbin argument, and search for more supportive information. Sometimes
some events do seem to resemble each other.
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oops!
I was surfing your site and I noticed that of course the pope's name is not Benedictus II but Benedictus XVI or something..
I am terribly sorry!!! my mistake.
here is example of this other common error:
"The monastic brotherhood known as the Order of St. Benedict was established by St. Benedict in the early part of the sixth century at Subiaco, Italy, whence it spread over western Europe"
and...
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02443a.htm:
"St. Benedict did not, strictly speaking, found an order;"
The Order of St. Benedict is in U.S,, too. The Order of St. Benedict of New Jersey was incorporated in 1868.
But the St. Benedict indeed was Benedict I.
without having to go deeeeep into the nostradamus material. its him. or the next and last of pope's tocome/be.
(& at that time 2000+ there were multible timelines that were still possible ours depening on path taken. now we are on a single timeline.
*add*
that and we still need to find the, St Peter (the roman) tombe (the real one)
or R = BP. than all is left is the tombe to be found for that part to start) ***2nd minor add**
http://www.newprophecy.net main page
http://www.newprophecy.net/secondhome.htm updated page
http://www.newprophecy.net/popejohnpaul.htm
http://www.newprophecy.net/emailpopejohnpaul.htm
http://www.newprophecy.net/now2.htm
site has data that will keep you busy for 100years. so hehe dont try and seep through it
RA
str8thinker
26th March 2011, 01:49
Thanks again for your scholarly research, RAKMEiSTER!
It didn't occur to me that "black" might refer to the color of his skin or robes. Obviously "Black Pope" can have more than one meaning here. I was thinking more about someone who wields real power in the Vatican, behind the current figurehead.
http://www.cypha360.com/Black_Pope.html
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread564667/pg1
http://www.newsbeats.net/showthread.php?3649-Black-Pope-imagination-or-not&
Apologize for taking this thread off-topic. Perhaps it might be better to start a new thread on this. I won't post further on this subject here.
RAKMEiSTER
26th March 2011, 01:58
delores cannon would be a good help, for me for nowadays info. and correlation and dismissing alternate non-ours timelines events.
get me her skype ;D
RA
Barron
26th March 2011, 02:37
A good start however, the filing of criminal charges means squat really! Did anything ever happen to the Big Pharma co Baxter for contaminating 72kgs of Flu vaccine intentionally? And what about the court cases for Obama to prove he was born in Hawaii and not Kenya? Nothing, zilch, squat!.
And yes, the black pope would be also a good target for a criminal charges!!!
truthseekerdan
26th March 2011, 02:45
It didn't occur to me that "black" might refer to the color of his skin or robes. Obviously "Black Pope" can have more than one meaning here.
Or it could also stand for his character. Remember he is/was supposedly associated with the nazis... :wacko:
http://www.shawnlazarus.info/2010/04/the-illuminati-and-the-new-world-order/
http://www.shawnlazarus.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/911-34_01.jpg
str8thinker
26th March 2011, 04:19
Who's gonna be the next Black Pope?
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll405/Remusuk81/stuff/nextpope.jpg
I've decided to start a new thread about the Black Pope here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17117), with a link back to this thread. So would you please continue this fascinating discussion there.
noxon medem
26th March 2011, 08:11
- on High time,
but why don't they adress some the more serious crime ?
On an earthly plane that could mean the mafia-business.
and / or
Crime agains God and the Wholy Humane Spirit.
Crime against the message and legacy of Jesus.
(for some other forum, perhaps ..)
This is of course just my momentary opinion ,
and this is only an image: (we are not all photogenic)
6428
Could be called a poster, of an imposter .
I might decide to delete that poster, funny it may be.
After all, we do want him to have a fair, unbiased trial, right ?
(at least not being able to claim otherways)
But just in case this trial does not pan out, or do ...
Here is another one, from OP-link:
(this image is manipulated)
6429
(he is not realy santa)
There is foreseeings of a last Pope.
Maybe that is no tragedy, might happen
soon.
Let's say the Last Pope it is a synthesis of
the thesis ( visible, "white" pope )
and the anti-thesis ( hidden, "black" pope ).
Anyway Old thinking.
No longer applicable.
( if thesis is flawed, antithesis will be flawed,
and synthesis accordingly. Then a fresh new
("outside") point of view is needed, in the equation )
So the last Pope recognize this, in his wisdom,
and dissolves the power, pretence and excistence
of his own papal position.
And also abolish the hierarcical structure
of the past.
Leaving it all to the real church to manage.
Like it allways should be. And is.
All well, eventualy, also to the Pope, I hope
(and do get some rest)
nm
ViralSpiral
26th March 2011, 08:41
Criminal charges were filed against Pope
Nice try, no cigar..
More propaganda for a flailing institution
Thank you to str8thinker and Rakmeister for your extensive research! Very interesting info.
I did know that the Black Pope was so named not for his skin tone, or even robe...... he is the original Lord Voldemort - the primary antagonist ;)
Snowbird
26th March 2011, 13:43
A good start however, the filing of criminal charges means squat really! Did anything ever happen to the Big Pharma co Baxter for contaminating 72kgs of Flu vaccine intentionally? And what about the court cases for Obama to prove he was born in Hawaii and not Kenya? Nothing, zilch, squat!.
And yes, the black pope would be also a good target for a criminal charges!!!
Yes, it is a good start. Someone had to start and these two extremely brave people took that step. We now should try to keep an eye on these two to make sure that they don't suicide themselves.
The charges are now on file.
We might never know about these cases. There are investigators and journalists who follow these types of cases, but of course these cases are dragged out to the nth degree.
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