Donald Trump for President 2012

[Redtailhawk]

Greetings fellow Avalonians, and residents of our beloved Mother Earth:

I am starting this thread on why I want Donald Trump to run for and win the United States presidency in 2012. Please post your thoughts here.

For the record, I am apolitical and I am not scribing this with a political agenda in mind. I am writing this with a humanitarian intention at heart. It does not matter to me that Donald Trump is a Republican, nor if he were a Democrat or an Independent. I don’t care that he has funny hair and can be a little arrogant. What matters to me is he knows how to conduct international business and manage real estate (Gaia).

By now many of us have figured out we can liken US politics to a two-headed snake. We know that there is a secret government, the Military Industrial Complex staging all these wars; the banking elite and the Federal Reserve, I.R.S., stealing trillions of United States citizens’ money and lining their own pockets while others loose their homes and jobs.

What I like about “the Donald” is he is a maverick businessman and with an international reputation for knowing how to negotiate. He is not compromised and speaks his mind. He’d fire the majority of congress and get rid of as many corrupted “public servants” as possible. And most of all I believe he would be a major force in cleaning up our planet world-wide. He would not spend American tax payer dollars to fight other countries wars. And he would not let America continue to be robbed and pillaged blind.

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It’s time for a revolution peeps!

KrkwgTBrW78

[Zook]

Greetings fellow Avalonians, and residents of our beloved Mother Earth:
I am starting this thread on why I want Donald Trump to run for and win the United States presidency in 2012. Please post your thoughts here.
For the record, I am apolitical and I am not scribing this with a political agenda in mind. I am writing this with a humanitarian intention at heart. It does not matter to me that Donald Trump is a Republican, nor if he were a Democrat or an Independent. I don’t care that he has funny hair and can be a little arrogant. What matters to me is he knows how to conduct international business and manage real estate (Gaia).
By now many of us have figured out we can liken US politics to a two-headed snake. We know that there is a secret government, the Military Industrial Complex staging all these wars; the banking elite and the Federal Reserve, I.R.S., stealing trillions of United States citizens’ money and lining their own pockets while others loose their homes and jobs.

What I like about “the Donald” is he is a maverick businessman and with an international reputation for knowing “the art of the deal.” He is not compromised, speaks his mind and has grapes. He’d fire the majority of congress and get rid of as many corrupted “public servants” as possible. And most of all I believe he would be a major force in cleaning up our planet world-wide. He would not spend American tax payer dollars to fight other countries wars. And he would not let America continue to be robbed and pillaged blind.

[...]
It’s time for a revolution peeps!

[...]


Hello Redtails,

What planet are you spinning from?

Trump is as big an insider as it gets without being consanguine with the brothers of the red shield. His popularity stems not from intellectual process or business acumen ... but from being well-connected and willing to play the dirty game that the banksters have laid out for the benefit of the brotherhood. Playing the dirty game under the false banner of free enterprise; and reaching the top of the New York Times - the quintessential shill corp. publishing mill's - best-selling quill hill ... may get you a few books sold from pure marketing alone ... but there's nothing of redeeming value beyond Trumpet's phony blare, "if-that-ain't-the-armpit-of-a-bear-that-ain't-seen-water-in-a-month" toupee or not toupee, and genuine megalomania. Then again, perfect for modern presidential qualifications, wot?

:smow::typing:

ps: In the future, I implore you not to associate beautiful Beatles' songs with the artifices of the deal. Thank you. :jester:

[Dennis Leahy]

At his best (attributes you described), I can kinda sorta see your point, but wow, I have to say I want someone very different than Donald Trump as president, vice-president, senator, or even as mayor of Bean's Purchase, New Hampshire. I want someone of extremely high integrity, who is "of the people." I have absolutely had enough of rich people ruling our country. Even the most benevolent rich person will almost undoubtedly place priorities too high on business to the detriment of all else. They can't help it. Rich people are successful capitalists themselves or born into capitalist families.

I want our electoral system turned on its head (reformed), so that there is:
gathering of signatures, top 10 candidates are on the ballot (national holiday on signature gathering day)
no political parties (or at least no advantage to belonging to a political party)
equal (modest, publicly funded) spending by all (maximum=10) candidates. No additional spending allowed. This will nullify the 'Citizens United' decision
equal time in every debate
equal air time or print space for all candidates
abolish the Electoral College in favor of popular vote with Instant Runoff Voting
abolish electronic/computerized voting machines (eliminate vote tampering)
use paper ballots only, hand counted (with candidate reps watching), with full audit trail (national holiday on election day)

There may be a thing or two missing from that list, as that was off the top of my head. The idea is to make candidate selection fair, voting honest, and remove all corporate and money interests from the process. This is the only way we'll ever get to the place where we stop "electing" millionaires pre-selected by the Elite. This is also the only way we'll have the opportunity to have "ordinary" people in office.

If it is impossible to keep influential Elites from influencing just exactly who the 10 candidates are, then I would support a random drawing of all citizens, similar to the way we select jurors for a trial. Yep, that's right - I'd rather select from 10 randomly chosen people than anyone the Elites want in power.

Phase 2: end lobbying... but that's for another post. (Gotta end lobbying to end the Elites' influence after the election!)

Dennis

[Fred Steeves]

No thanks on "The Don". Or any others for that fact. These people in charge are a one trick pony when it comes to this, and the pony always has a schtick.


Cheers,
Fred S.

[Redtailhawk]

No thanks on "The Don". Or any others for that fact. These people in charge are a one trick pony when it comes to this, and the pony always has a schtick.


Cheers,
Fred S.

I do understand what you mean, like I said I'm apolitical. What inspired me to post what I did was the clip from The View and how he called out Obama. If Trump were compromised as it appears both parties are when it comes to challenging Obama's eligibility then he would not go public and say what he did. I really like the fact that Trump is seriously addressing the fraud of Obama and people are listening. Maybe a Ron Paul/Trump ticket could start to shift things in the right direction. :)

[slipknotted]

well remember what charles said which was once you reach a certain amount of richness you are contacted by the group to play the game their way or suffer the end game so he knows the rules which means he would be no different than all the other clowns.

[Redtailhawk]

well remember what charles said which was once you reach a certain amount of richness you are contacted by the group to play the game their way or suffer the end game so he knows the rules which means he would be no different than all the other clowns.

You could be right, but I do think Trump has some real experience taking on and defeating thugs and mafia types, which have run our government for a very long time. He's made his billions mostly through real estate not through ponzi schemes. I've been listening to him lately and he's making a lot of sense, and after all what are our other choices? And you have to admit, he'd be entertaining. :)

[Lifebringer]

Trumps a swindler, at least we already now it.

LOL.

He can't be trusted and his heart is all about worshipping idolatry. MONEY.

NOPE, no hope for Donald as President.

Count on it.
Or should I say BET on it.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Redtailhawk,

First of all, they all (politicians) talk boldly about about what they'll do BEFORE they get in office.

Second: Donald Trump was born into a wealthy family (his father was a self-made millionaire) and after college Donald joined his father's company. When Donald went off on his own, with the Trump Towers and Taj Mahal Casino (which he financed with high-interest junk bonds) to mention a few businesses, he took them into bankruptcy. His financial problems were much publicized in the 90's.

So you want a man who was born with much advantage and still bankrupted at least I believe 2 companies to get us out of this financial mess - when he himself relied on his bankster friends and creditors to get him out of his mess.

I suggest you do some research and not fall for this false bravado personalty who has emerged from a reality show.

[majapahit]

.. he is a maverick businessman and with an international reputation for knowing how to negotiate.
After some scrutiny Trump gets his contracts and businesses somewhat too easy.

Building tinsel town for the rich & stupid over the backs of negotiated down un-unionized labour,
is not an achievement, it is New World Order Corporate Fascism, that such folks refer to as 'we're all family'

.. and I am afraid you probably will not grasp the meaning of this
anywho


And he would not let America continue to be robbed and pillaged blind.
America - as in big corporate foreign policy - has been robbing and pillaging the Homeland & Worldwide blind for many a decade now.

Perhaps you should read books by other authors than at present ..
like
"John Perkins - Economic Hit Man .. for the Secret Oligarchy of the United States of America"

and have an asperine on standby

[Redtailhawk]

..


And he would not let America continue to be robbed and pillaged blind.
America - as in big corporate foreign policy - has been robbing and pillaging the Homeland & Worldwide blind for many a decade now.

Perhaps you should read books by other authors than at present ..
like
"John Perkins - Economic Hit Man .. for the Secret Oligarchy of the United States of America"

and have an asperine on standby[/QUOTE]

Yes, I have read Economic Hit Man and have met with John Perkins in person.

People here seem to be against the idea of Trump being able to bring our country back on track economically; when all I am suggesting is he has more ability than most when it comes to running a corporation.

[Fred Steeves]

Hi Redtailhawk, if you want to go out and do all you can to get Trump elected, then go for it. I just think you'll be beating your head against the proverbial brick wall to get people in a place of informed people like this to go along.

If you think it's the right thing to do then do it!

Cheers,
Fred S.

[majapahit]

..
And he would not let America continue to be robbed and pillaged blind.

America - as in big corporate foreign policy - has been robbing and pillaging the Homeland & Worldwide blind for many a decade now.

Perhaps you should read books by other authors than at present ..
like
"John Perkins - Economic Hit Man .. for the Secret Oligarchy of the United States of America"

and have an asperine on standby

Yes, I have read Economic Hit Man and have met with John Perkins in person.

People here seem to be against the idea of Trump being able to bring our country back on track economically;
you bring back an economy yourself
by getting rid of the - very expensive - 'help' from politicians and bankers .. and the likes of the Donald, and you're economy will be back on track in a dogs fart :panda:

.. when all I am suggesting is he has more ability than most when it comes to running a corporation.
you dont want someone who can run a corporation ..
you want someone who can run a society

like I posted somwhere else ..
after carefull scrutiny of Cesar Milan's The Dog Whistperer; .. ;)

Love is ..
.. the dominance of the love pack over the evil pack

and you're in search of a pack leader
not an entertaining heardo :cool:

[DevilPigeon]

I think that if there were a sudden awakening of the whole planet, bringing everyone spiritually back in tune with how things ought to be, then there's no need for a leader anyway. :)

[13th Warrior]

Please! No more celebrity presidents!

Additionally, Mr. Trump said that no way could Ron Paul win.

I'd see Ron Paul as president before Donald Trump.

[MariaDine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MMVaRpYOds


AHAHAHAHAHAH ! What an idea!

Namasté

[indiana]

I believe the Dalai Lama is stepping down soon. Perhaps the Trumpmeister might consider that position.....:twitch:

Ahh.. needed a good laugh

[king anthony]

"It does not matter who one votes for, or where - the 'government' will always be in power."

[humanalien]

I would rather see joe the plumber become president than donald trump.

[Rocky_Shorz]

would be fun seeing him stand before congress and say...


"YOU"RE FIRED"

[Psychonautilus]

Greetings fellow Avalonians, and residents of our beloved Mother Earth:
I am starting this thread on why I want Donald Trump to run for and win the United States presidency in 2012. Please post your thoughts here.
For the record, I am apolitical and I am not scribing this with a political agenda in mind. I am writing this with a humanitarian intention at heart. It does not matter to me that Donald Trump is a Republican, nor if he were a Democrat or an Independent. I don’t care that he has funny hair and can be a little arrogant. What matters to me is he knows how to conduct international business and manage real estate (Gaia).
By now many of us have figured out we can liken US politics to a two-headed snake. We know that there is a secret government, the Military Industrial Complex staging all these wars; the banking elite and the Federal Reserve, I.R.S., stealing trillions of United States citizens’ money and lining their own pockets while others loose their homes and jobs.

What I like about “the Donald” is he is a maverick businessman and with an international reputation for knowing “the art of the deal.” He is not compromised, speaks his mind and has grapes. He’d fire the majority of congress and get rid of as many corrupted “public servants” as possible. And most of all I believe he would be a major force in cleaning up our planet world-wide. He would not spend American tax payer dollars to fight other countries wars. And he would not let America continue to be robbed and pillaged blind.

[...]
It’s time for a revolution peeps!

[...]


Hello Redtails,

What planet are you spinning from?

Trump is as big an insider as it gets without being consanguine with the brothers of the red shield. His popularity stems not from intellectual process or business acumen ... but from being well-connected and willing to play the dirty game that the banksters have laid out for the benefit of the brotherhood. Playing the dirty game under the false banner of free enterprise; and reaching the top of the New York Times - the quintessential shill corp. publishing mill's - best-selling quill hill ... may get you a few books sold from pure marketing alone ... but there's nothing of redeeming value beyond Trumpet's phony blare, "if-that-ain't-the-armpit-of-a-bear-that-ain't-seen-water-in-a-month" toupee or not toupee, and genuine megalomania. Then again, perfect for modern presidential qualifications, wot?

:smow::typing:

ps: In the future, I implore you not to associate beautiful Beatles' songs with the artifices of the deal. Thank you. :jester:

I agree, although not in full.

The cardinal rule when dealing with the world power structure, is that if you see these characters on camera, they'll never have any real political power of any true significance. I am surprised that anyone on this board could possibly believe otherwise. If you see them getting promotion, airtime, if you see them on chat-shows (let alone their own TV show) then they are simply the people's champions that have been put there to lead you by the nose into the next pasture. I would argue that Donald Trump is nowhere near as big an insider as it gets, he's just one of their boys that does the camera work and puts on some entertainment for them. He will be led to believe that he's a big cheese, because it will embellish his ego and keep him going, but he is just a low level anchorman who answers to a much higher power. He has allegiance to the people that put him where he is - and if he has half a brain cell, he will know that it's going to be exactly the same situation in politics. Much of Trump's wealth is actually an illusion anyway. Most of it has come from family connections, and has been fiddled and tweaked to make him look like the head-honcho when he's actually just the celebrity frontman for a wider financial cartel.

The reason he is now running for president, is that they need to have a celebrity-calibre lunatic in place to whip up the flag wavers and usher in the new system. One who feels no obligation towards the common man, but with whom the common man recognizes and can somehow identify with outside of the political sphere. He is a celebrity entrepreneur who's been handed his empire by friends of the family, he has no background in politics, and is therefore easily handled, sufficiently controversial and well versed in show business. I would bet that arrangements for this campaign were made many years ago, and that his rise to stardom in the last decade has been arranged by the big foundations in preparation for the 2012 election. It's the same old story - these guys are just frontmen who've been promoted and funded into existence by those behind the scenes, so they can be wheeled out when the climate is right to create another political circus and keep us all entertained. Whether he's actually gone through the common purpose training, I don't know - but he's a wall street tool with valuable acting experience - which is the ultimate CV for an american politician to have.

Whether he actually makes it in 2012 is another story, as they may play this one out differently and set him up as another Palin in the good cop/bad cop routine. They might shoot him down and make a fool of him in the run-up next year, so that whoever they've pitted against him gets the vote instead - it all depends on what fits at the time. It's show-business, it's all entertainment. Year after year, they wheel these pied pipers out onto the stage to make you believe that there is a benevolent father figure who's on your side, and to personify your belief in democracy. Year after year, the politician say's 'follow me, I have the answers', as he talks about 'global stability', and 'progress' and 'economic security'. Year after year, the political circus gets even more surreal - and year after year, the orwellian super-state becomes more of a reality. Are people not getting the message yet? The whole thing is a total chimera and always has been, it's all smoke and mirrors to lead you away from personal empowerment, and to convince you that the solution is 'out there' somewhere with some duplicitous frotman. What better way to keep people under control?

These guys are trained in oratory - nothing more. They're either lawyers or maniac businessmen; they love the crowd, the attention, the speeches, the drama, and most of all they love the illusion of power and status that their gig affords them. But, like any solicitor of CEO - they have a client or a board of directors who's needs and concerns come well before you or I. They'll get hand picked by the old boys to put on a good show and keep the business plan intact, and if they carry out their orders well, they'll retire with some shares, a book deal and a guest seat at the round table.

I don't mean to cause undue offense, but it surprises me to see that people on this forum are actually concerning themselves with the 'character' and 'attributes' of a meaningless political frontman. We're supposed to be learning about and understanding how the system of control works, how these incessant card tricks are carried out on the masses - and yet people are buying into Donald Trump's latest gig as the Bilderberg poster-boy?
How can we ever hope to get a grip on what evil is, on what illusions are, on what mass-control is and how the whole bloody planet has been duped by these people, if we're going to buy right back into their illusion?

Allow me to crush that illusion for you, once and for all. Politics is an abstraction. It is a creation of unnecessary complexities, PR wars and self perpetuating musical chairs. It is an impossible rubic's cube that has been put out there to eternally befuddle and distract the common man from where the real decisions are made. It is a never ending cacophony of dialectics, distractions and drama - that has been designed specifically to ensure he never gets any lasting change. No politician or political system has ever, or will ever be the 'solution' or the answer to humanities problems, as its sole purpose is to keep him running off down all sorts of tangents thinking he's finally going to 'fix' it tomorrow. It's about ensuring he believes that the solution is an external, numerical thing, that can be attained through rearranging the furniture on the titanic - and that if he can just get enough votes and enough support, the ship of state will finally get back on course. In terms of mind control, it yields first place only to religion.

If people are serious about change, they need to start seeing this tired old joke for what it is.


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[jackovesk]

Greetings fellow Avalonians, and residents of our beloved Mother Earth:

I am starting this thread on why I want Donald Trump to run for and win the United States presidency in 2012. Please post your thoughts here.




Hello Redtails,

What planet are you spinning from?

Trump is as big an insider as it gets without being consanguine with the brothers of the red shield. His popularity stems not from intellectual process or business acumen ... but from being well-connected and willing to play the dirty game that the banksters have laid out for the benefit of the brotherhood. Playing the dirty game under the false banner of free enterprise; and reaching the top of the New York Times - the quintessential shill corp. publishing mill's - best-selling quill hill ... may get you a few books sold from pure marketing alone ... but there's nothing of redeeming value beyond Trumpet's phony blare, "if-that-ain't-the-armpit-of-a-bear-that-ain't-seen-water-in-a-month" toupee or not toupee, and genuine megalomania. Then again, perfect for modern presidential qualifications, wot?

:smow::typing:

ps: In the future, I implore you not to associate beautiful Beatles' songs with the artifices of the deal. Thank you. :jester:

Agree Wholeheartedly ZOOK...

Redtailhawk all I can say to you is this!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV1LzXf1TKQ

[indiana]

Ah no, come on, seriously tho..

'Donald for pope!'

[GlassSteagallfan]

I'm with Psychonautilus 100%. Don Trump will wear the same puppet strings as his predecessor.

BUT, once in a while, we get a president with 'push back'. It gives us a bit of breathing space to begin arranging the furniture. Unfortunately, they usually get the dirt nap.

In case you ever wondered what an HONEST and PATRIOTIC candidate for congress might look like, here are six:

http://www.larouchepac.com/campaigns

[TimelessDimensions]

What has Donald Trump done for you with the power and billions of dollars he already has? (..and the room goes silent)

[Psychonautilus]

Update: An interesting article (http://www.infowars.com/corsi-trump-conspired-with-obama-to-neutralize-birther-controversy/) on infowars suggests that the whole Trump/Birth Cert controversy may have in fact been a completely contrived stage-show, to launch a false controversy and bring the issue to resolution quicker than it would have otherwise been. The issue was somewhat in the background, but Obama wanted to get it out of the way, so Trump runs for president and starts making a big deal out of it. All the focus switches to the birth cert, Obama releases an obvious fake, then proceeds with the whole Bin-Laden fiasco directly afterwards to change the subject and direct focus away from it. A perfect little dialectic, political 'damage control' and one which has guaranteed Trump a new TV contract via a company that has affiliations with the administration. Very interesting.

[jimmer]

early on I was interested in Trump, but when he got a taste of
criticism and mookery, he ducked out.
now he's thinking about ducking back in as an independent
(that is, after the TV show ends it's 2012 run in May).
now, I don't trust him as he seems either scattered or a charlatan.
if you don't agree, why should he be trusted at this point?

[Redtailhawk]

early on I was interested in Trump, but when he got a taste of
criticism and mookery, he ducked out.
now he's thinking about ducking back in as an independent
(that is, after the TV show ends it's 2012 run in May).
now, I don't trust him as he seems either scattered or a charlatan.
if you don't agree, why should he be trusted at this point?

Yes, it appears that Trump was threatened. His behavior since the fake BC released by Obama has been curious. It was excellent what he did to help force the hand of Obama...but I doubt he'll run is my feeling. I stopped voting years ago.

[jimmer]

I agree with Corsi's assessment.
Trump is one smart and complicated guy.
One thing is for sure, Trump can no longer be taken seriously.

[Wookie]

Follow the money that is all

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

[Maia Gabrial]

So far, the only one that seems to have the decency and morality is Ron Paul.

[vasquez]

Greetings fellow Avalonians, and residents of our beloved Mother Earth:

I am starting this thread on why I want Donald Trump to run for and win the United States presidency in 2012. Please post your thoughts here.

For the record, I am apolitical and I am not scribing this with a political agenda in mind. I am writing this with a humanitarian intention at heart. It does not matter to me that Donald Trump is a Republican, nor if he were a Democrat or an Independent. I don’t care that he has funny hair and can be a little arrogant. What matters to me is he knows how to conduct international business and manage real estate (Gaia).

By now many of us have figured out we can liken US politics to a two-headed snake. We know that there is a secret government, the Military Industrial Complex staging all these wars; the banking elite and the Federal Reserve, I.R.S., stealing trillions of United States citizens’ money and lining their own pockets while others loose their homes and jobs.

What I like about “the Donald” is he is a maverick businessman and with an international reputation for knowing how to negotiate. He is not compromised and speaks his mind. He’d fire the majority of congress and get rid of as many corrupted “public servants” as possible. And most of all I believe he would be a major force in cleaning up our planet world-wide. He would not spend American tax payer dollars to fight other countries wars. And he would not let America continue to be robbed and pillaged blind.

QWGCNz8LZqA

It’s time for a revolution peeps!

KrkwgTBrW78

Simple awnser is just NO.

This guy won't change a god damn thing.

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So far, the only one that seems to have the decency and morality is Ron Paul.

Yep. I whole heartedly agree

[Davidallany]

Sarah Palin is probably going to win.

[risveglio]

So far, the only one that seems to have the decency and morality is Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is our only hope in my opinion. And don't worry, Trump is very far from being a Republican or even a conservative.

[Warlock]

"It does not matter who one votes for, or where - the 'government' will always be in power."

Amen, king anthony, AMEN!:clap2:

Warlock

[Warlock]

Update: An interesting article (http://www.infowars.com/corsi-trump-conspired-with-obama-to-neutralize-birther-controversy/) on infowars suggests that the whole Trump/Birth Cert controversy may have in fact been a completely contrived stage-show, to launch a false controversy and bring the issue to resolution quicker than it would have otherwise been. The issue was somewhat in the background, but Obama wanted to get it out of the way, so Trump runs for president and starts making a big deal out of it. All the focus switches to the birth cert, Obama releases an obvious fake, then proceeds with the whole Bin-Laden fiasco directly afterwards to change the subject and direct focus away from it. A perfect little dialectic, political 'damage control' and one which has guaranteed Trump a new TV contract via a company that has affiliations with the administration. Very interesting.

I read the same article and it got me to thinking that it could be the case.

Warlock

[Maia Gabrial]

Who wants Palin, a barbie doll as president, especially when she didn't finish her own governorship? She doesn't even inspire confidence....
I'm all for a woman president as long as she has excellent leadership and qualifications.
Maia