spiritual discernment and the new age movement

[shiva777]

just a short vid explaining some important issues around how the new age movement is often just another distraction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is3CPHzCg_w

[Lord Sidious]

just a short vid explaining some important issues around how the new age movement is often just another distraction


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is3CPHzCg_w

That should work.

[9eagle9]

Good vids.

Admittedly this will be an unpopular thread. But it bears mentioning although basically I see no way to pull people from the derailing belief systems. I do know the line has been drawn in the sand and quite some time ago. Those who know and and those who think they know it. However there is a basic principle. If you know something why do you need to think or believe it?

What is a belief system doing? Promising something at some future date in time.

Knowingness acts right now. Without thought.

The difference between knowing and beliefs. If one knows why do they need to believe. We know the world is going down in flames and water. We think and belief that sending light will save it. Soo where's the result, the accomplishment in this belief. At some future date in time......

The term light is exactly what it means. Until someone decided that it was chi, or ultradimensional vibes. Or anything but what we KNOW it is. This is what gets me. We KNOW what light is ...until 'someone' told us otherwise.

Light=illumination. Illumination= shedding a light on that which was previously hidden. Namely one's self. This engagement in these 'light' belief systems is entrenching further into confusion, chaos and darkness. One is blind, in the dark, to what one is. How many people have I counseled because they've willingly accepted the 'fact', when offered, they are reincarnated unicorns, or angels, and that is really their only problem. They are so 'special' (and light) they cannot function in this ordinary dark world.

Then.... How many lightworkers are dark ? (Fill in the blank) Can we go there?

If we are not AWARE of our beleif systems and how contradictory and' do nothing' they are.... then how does one claim to be aware at all? If one's belief system can't hold water under critical thought how much awareness does one have if they did not know that in the first place. We buy a car and poke and prod at all the tires, transmission, the engine and generally use more caring buying a vehicle than we do in selecting a belief system. Its the concept of America the Land of the Free all over again. We were told we were free but in critical examination we find out we are not. Apply this same critical thinking to love and light. We are told we are all love and light and in that belief has anything much changed? Critical or Criticism is of course negative. This is brilliant they have it cornered this way and that. The ones who had the slightest chance of attempting to correct this are now negative if not outright evil.

Light= Once you set the lies, conditioned beliefs, manipulations, and other baggage we drag around how do you feel? Light?


Love? We all need love? No kidding. When did that become great higher new truth, one that was suddenly revealed to us in the last forty years or so? What did we do before the age of new, not love anyone? Love has not fixed anything. What did we do before the new age told us HOW to love?

Is there not enough love in the world? Don't know, probably. There's probably not if we don't even know what it is. If we don't know what we are it would be difficult to love ourselves let alone love someone else for what they are. Having interviewed literally thousands of people who suffer from some sort of 'love' issue I'd have to say love doesn't solve anything otherwise we'd not be looking at the divorce rates we are looking at. Or at the very least if we are applying love and its not working perhaps its not love we are really applying but a concept of love that one was conditioned with.

Don't ever think the PTB don't love us. THEY DO. A cursory examination of a goodish percentage of love relationships will uncover the fact that most based on neediness on either one or both parties. The PTB need us. Need is a condition once you say we need to love each other you've conditoned it and then ignore that by plastering a label on that says "Uncondtioned".

The New Age has taught us to be in the dark to the obvious so how do we claim to be light?

If we don't know what we are as humans how can we claim to even know what human love is. How do we love ourselves if we don't even know who we are. We are so laden with beliefs that we can't see each other. Insulated from each other by a layer of falsehoods how would we even be able to connect with each other with the walls of deceit that we've accepted to be built around us. How would we even love each other when we can't even see or know love for all the insulation.

The inherent problem here is that negative feelings are negative. You are out of alignment if you are feeling negative. True inner self work causes a break down in the belief systems that propped us up. We are left disullusioned, depressed, and angry, and in free fall ...FOR A TIME. However that is exactly what we are conditioned not to feel. It's not loving. Or lightful. Or godly. Or how to cope when we are in free fall. But that's what happens we fall into free.

Free will vs. conditioned will.

[Arpheus]

Thank you Shiva,this is by far one of the best if not the best youtube video i have seen this year to this date.

[Dionysus]

I remember being dubious about The Secret even before I read it. I doubted that it would have anything in it that I wasn't already quite familiar with. Still, I figured I'd give it a chance, I could be wrong, and might learn something new.

Instead, I was disappointed that truly sacred principles were being used for what seemed such trivial goals, mere materialism and ego-gratification. Needless to say, I am not a fan of the book.

[9eagle9]

The Secret and the Abe-Hicks material have left out step one of a two step process. Step one being the most important and what step two utterly depends on. Whether its deliberate or not I'm not sure. Step One is a process on its own and I doubt the contributing authors to either The Secret or Abe-Hicks are able to express or teach it and its not really something that can be done from a book. It has to be shown. And it is a painful process, that generates all sorts of painful and negative emotions which is probably why it's not mentioned. It really gets down into the nasty trauma end of the human condition--meaning its not all love and light.

Both confuse the Law of Manifestation with the Law of Attraction.

In this area the Abe-Hicks people are fundamentalists. Literally. They thrust their fingers in your face and lecture you about being out of alignment, being out of the 'vortex'. and then speak of nothing else but 'their' abundance. The less indoctrinated ones walk around with this rictus of pain on their face that is presumably a manifestation of attempting to force a 'positive thought' attitude at all times. There is no honest communication because everything has to be reframed into the most positive alignment possible. The strain of keeping up this facade has to be enormous because when these people break down, they break down big time--anger, rage, frustration. Then are horrorfied because they've left their positive field of energy and a piano may now drop onto their head from above. This puzzles me because if the positive manifestation is always uncertain and never appears why are they so quick to know the negative one will appear immediately?
Because they haven't done or even aware of Step One and it's fundamental effects on the human psyche.

If one notices the most beneficial processes to healing a wounded human condition are done in steps. Like AA.

And you are correct when they assume the most self serving attitudes I've ever seen.Most of both theories generate poverty consciousness, even as it speaks of eradicating it . The most vitaly important step, step one, though has nothing to do with consciousness.







I remember being dubious about The Secret even before I read it. I doubted that it would have anything in it that I wasn't already quite familiar with. Still, I figured I'd give it a chance, I could be wrong, and might learn something new.

Instead, I was disappointed that truly sacred principles were being used for what seemed such trivial goals, mere materialism and ego-gratification. Needless to say, I am not a fan of the book.

[king anthony]

We buy a car and poke and prod at all the tires, transmission, the engine and generally use more caring buying a vehicle than we do in selecting a belief system.

I say, is not the difference being reality and not, which determines importance!? Is there not more importance imposed with greater 'due diligence', with things of need rather then things of luxury - if so, then it is clear which is.