Australian Climate Commissioner Prof. Tim Flannery 'CAUGHT OUT' on Climate Change!

[jackovesk]

Column - Flannery admits no gain from this carbon tax pain...

Another so called expert who is NOT a Climate Scientist, but is the Salesman appointed by PM JuLIAR Gillard to sell her Carbon Tax.

Climate Commissioner Tim “1000 years” Flannery has talked the Gillard Government into deep trouble:

In the radio interview, Professor Flannery said: “If the world as a whole cut all emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet’s not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over 1000 years."…

Prof. Flannery: "I just need to clarfy in terms of the climate context for you. If we cut emissions today, global temperatures are not likely to drop for about a 1000 years… Just let me finish and say this. If the world as a whole cut all emissions tomorrow the average temperature of the planet is not going to drop in several hundred years, perhaps as much as a thousand years because the system is overburdened with CO2 that has to be absorbed and that only happens slowly."

http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/tim_flannery_thumb.jpg

Listen for yourself...'1000 Years' statement starts @ 4.35 mins

:crazy:http://podcasts.mrn.com.au.s3.amazonaws.com/steveprice/20110324-sp1-timflannery.mp3

I repeat again 'Global Warming and the NWO Carbon Tax is a SCAM'!

You are being CONNED!!! 1000 years with no reduction in Global temperatures and we are all going to pay for it to line the pockets of the Elite!

:mad2:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_flannery_admits_no_gain_from_this_carbon_tax_pain

[Cjay]

Personally, I never believed the scientific "proof" that man-made CO2 emissions were heating the world to hell or that we could make a significant difference even if Australia cut CO2 emissions by 100%. So why waste unknown billions of dollars on a sche... er, scam that will destroy our economy and not make a noticeable difference in hundreds or possibly even thousands of years? It's just another way to tax us to oblivion.

Did anyone else wonder, when over 2 million hectares of Australian forest burned for 2 months, about 3 or 4 years ago, how much CO2 was released into the atmosphere and how that compares with man-made CO2 emissions? I'm guessing it was more CO2 in 2 months than ALL man-made emissions in Australia's history combined! The smoke from those fires blocked out the sun in New Zealand! Maybe that's why it's been getting cooler. :confused:

I read somewhere that ash (and probably chemicals) from the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in 1991 caused the earth to cool for two years. Now that, I believe. What if there is a really BIG eruption like, say, Yellowstone? Will they tell us that in order to offset the global cooling we should slash and burn more rainforests and burn as much petroleum, coal and gas as we can?

"Global Warming" became in inconvenient term so now we have "Climate Change".

Ok, by now you might have guessed that I am a climate change skeptic... or as the political spinners prefer to call me, a climate change denier. No, that label doesn't hurt me but they seem to think it will shame me into voting for them. I didn't and I won't!

I strongly support reducing pollution of all kinds but taxing carbon (CO2 and methane) is not the solution.

Some more articles about the Carbon Trading Sche... I mean Scam:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_great_carbon_pollution_lie

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/eurpe

And this one is probably the most alarming - one of the bosses of the EU Carbon Trading system has no idea how much it will cost or how much benefit it will provide!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/carbon-guru-stumped-by-two-questions/story-e6frfhqf-1226020074441

[jackovesk]

Personally, I never believed the scientific "proof" that man-made CO2 emissions were heating the world to hell or that we could make a significant difference even if Australia cut CO2 emissions by 100%. So why waste unknown billions of dollars on a sche... er, scam that will destroy our economy and not make a noticeable difference in hundreds or possibly even thousands of years? It's just another way to tax us to oblivion.

Did anyone else wonder, when over 2 million hectares of Australian forest burned for 2 months, about 3 or 4 years ago, how much CO2 was released into the atmosphere and how that compares with man-made CO2 emissions? I'm guessing it was more CO2 in 2 months than ALL man-made emissions in Australia's history combined! The smoke from those fires blocked out the sun in New Zealand! Maybe that's why it's been getting cooler. :confused:

I read somewhere that ash (and probably chemicals) from the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in 1991 caused the earth to cool for two years. Now that, I believe. What if there is a really BIG eruption like, say, Yellowstone? Will they tell us that in order to offset the global cooling we should slash and burn more rainforests and burn as much petroleum, coal and gas as we can?

"Global Warming" became in inconvenient term so now we have "Climate Change".

Ok, by now you might have guessed that I am a climate change skeptic... or as the political spinners prefer to call me, a climate change denier. No, that label doesn't hurt me but they seem to think it will shame me into voting for them. I didn't and I won't!

I strongly support reducing pollution of all kinds but taxing carbon (CO2 and methane) is not the solution.

Some more articles about the Carbon Trading Sche... I mean Scam:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_great_carbon_pollution_lie

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/eurpe

And this one is probably the most alarming - one of the bosses of the EU Carbon Trading system has no idea how much it will cost or how much benefit it will provide!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/carbon-guru-stumped-by-two-questions/story-e6frfhqf-1226020074441

Welcome to Avalon Cjay,

...and let me be the 1st to Thank-you for your informed post.

Regards,
Jack

[loveandgratitude]

TIM FLANNERY is a sell out shill working for the NWO. He is a traitor and has led many trusting people down the wrong path.

[Mad Hatter]

Ah yes our very own Prof. Flim Flam replete with Rhino skin. For the benefit of other readers around the world who maybe being subjected to the same sort of spin have a look here at a very good demolition of the man and his claims -
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/it-pays-to-check-out-flannerys-predictions-about-climate-change-says-andrew-bolt/story-e6frfhqf-1226004644818
Admittedly the blogger is right wing but the facts do have a tendancy to speak for themselves...

Of course anyone wanting to write a cracker of a Phd. thesis on political spin would not go far wrong starting with the Club of Rome and their appointment of Maurice Strong to set the ball rolling on this multi billion dollar gravy train way back at the 1973 Rio Earth Summit.

Hmm. I often wonder how much the environment / world might have really benefited if those funds had been deployed in a more useful manner...

PS Be sure to check out what your local councils involvement with Agenda 21 is.

[jackovesk]

Ah yes our very own Prof. Flim Flam replete with Rhino skin. For the benefit of other readers around the world who maybe being subjected to the same sort of spin have a look here at a very good demolition of the man and his claims -
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/it-pays-to-check-out-flannerys-predictions-about-climate-change-says-andrew-bolt/story-e6frfhqf-1226004644818
Admittedly the blogger is right wing but the facts do have a tendancy to speak for themselves...

Of course anyone wanting to write a cracker of a Phd. thesis on political spin would not go far wrong starting with the Club of Rome and their appointment of Maurice Strong to set the ball rolling on this multi billion dollar gravy train way back at the 1973 Rio Earth Summit.

Hmm. I often wonder how much the environment / world might have really benefited if those funds had been deployed in a more useful manner...

PS Be sure to check out what your local councils involvement with Agenda 21 is.

The Mad Hatter has done his homework...Well Done!

For those who did not click on the Mad Hatters Link...

Here is the Article...

It pays to check out Tim Flannery's predictions about climate change

Andrew Bolt From: Herald Sun February 12, 2011 12:00AM

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Tim Flannery has had years of practice trying to terrify us into thinking human-made climate change will destroy Earth.

TIM Flannery has just been hired by the Gillard Government to scare us stupid, and I can't think of a better man for the job.

This Alarmist of the Year is worth every bit of the $180,000 salary he'll get as part-time chairman of the Government's new Climate Commission.

His job is simple: to advise us that we really, truly have to accept, say, the new tax on carbon dioxide emissions that this Government threatens to impose.

This kind of work is just up the dark alley of Flannery, author of The Weather Makers, that bible of booga booga.

He's had years of practice trying to terrify us into thinking our exhausts are turning the world into a fireball that will wipe out civilisation, melt polar ice caps and drown entire cities under hot seas.

Small problem, though: after so many years of hearing Flannery's predictions, we're now able to see if some of the scariest have actually panned out.

And we're also able to see if people who bet real money on his advice have cleaned up or been cleaned out.

So before we buy a great green tax from Flannery, whose real expertise is actually in mammology, it may pay to check his record. Ready?

In 2005, Flannery predicted Sydney's dams could be dry in as little as two years because global warming was drying up the rains, leaving the city "facing extreme difficulties with water".

Check Sydney's dam levels today: 73 per cent. Hmm. Not a good start.

In 2008, Flannery said: "The water problem is so severe for Adelaide that it may run out of water by early 2009."

Check Adelaide's water storage levels today: 77 per cent.

In 2007, Flannery predicted cities such as Brisbane would never again have dam-filling rains, as global warming had caused "a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas" and made the soil too hot, "so even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and river systems ... ".

Check the Murray-Darling system today: in flood. Check Brisbane's dam levels: 100 per cent full.

My Post Article Note: "What about the Brisbane FLOODS Prof. Flannery???

All this may seem funny, but some politicians, voters and investors have taken this kind of warming alarmism very seriously and made expensive decisions in the belief it was sound.

So let's check on them, too.

In 2007, Flannery predicted global warming would so dry our continent that desalination plants were needed to save three of our biggest cities from disaster.

As he put it: "Over the past 50 years, southern Australia has lost about 20 per cent of its rainfall, and one cause is almost certainly global warming ...

"In Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane, water supplies are so low they need desalinated water urgently, possibly in as little as 18 months."

One premier, Queensland's Peter Beattie, took such predictions - made by other warming alarmists, too - so seriously that he spent more than $1 billion of taxpayers' money on a desalination plant, saying "it is only prudent to assume at this stage that lower-than-usual rainfalls could eventuate".

But check that desalination plant today: mothballed indefinitely, now that the rains have returned.

(Incidentally, notice how many of Flannery's big predictions date from 2007? That was the year warming alarmism reached its most hysterical pitch and Flannery was named Australian of the Year.)

Back to another tip Flannery gave in that year of warming terror. In 2007, he warned that "the social licence of coal to operate is rapidly being withdrawn globally" by governments worried by the warming allegedly caused by burning the stuff.

We should switch to "green" power instead, said Flannery, who recommended geothermal - pumping water on to hot rocks deep underground to create steam.

"There are hot rocks in South Australia that potentially have enough embedded energy in them to run Australia's economy for the best part of a century," he said.

"The technology to extract that energy and turn it into electricity is relatively straightforward."

Flannery repeatedly promoted this "straightforward" technology, and in 2009, the Rudd government awarded $90 million to Geodynamics to build a geothermal power plant in the Cooper Basin, the very area Flannery recommended. Coincidentally, Flannery has for years been a Geodynamics shareholder, a vested interest he sometimes declares.

Time to check on how that business tip went. Answer: erk.

The technology Flannery said was "relatively straighforward" wasn't.

One of Geodynamics' five wells at Innamincka collapsed in an explosion that damaged two others. All had to be plugged with cement.

The project has now been hit by the kind of floods Flannery didn't predict in a warming world, with Geodynamics announcing work had been further "delayed following extensive local rainfall in the Cooper Basin region".

The technological and financing difficulties mean there is no certainty now that a commercial-scale plant will ever get built, let alone prove viable, so it's no surprise the company's share price has almost halved in four months.

Never mind, here comes Flannery with his latest scares and you-beaut fix.

His job as Climate Commission chief, says Climate Change Minister Greg Combet, is to "provide an authoritative, independent source of information on climate change to the Australian community" and "build the consensus about reducing Australia's carbon pollution".

That, translated, means selling us whatever scheme the Government cooks up to tax carbon dioxide, doing to the economy what the floods have done to Flannery's hot-rocks investment.

See why I say Flannery is the right man for this job? Who better to teach us how little we really know about global warming and how much it may cost to panic?

:bump:

[chelmostef]

Julia Gillard and Wayne Swan - No Carbon Tax promise


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMVc0IbtyAQ&feature=player_embedded

This in my book is two face lying.. Seems they are all at

[jackovesk]

Julia Gillard's tax to make no difference to climate...

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/03/25/1226028/315209-bolter.jpg
Julia Gillard's carbon dioxide tax will have you pay more for petrol, electricity and everything made with electricity, but will make zero difference to the climate. Source: Herald Sun

CLIMATE Commissioner Tim Flannery choked when I confronted him with the global warming industry's dirty secret.

But he wouldn't - couldn't - deny it.

The secret is this: nothing we in Australia do about global warming will actually lower the world's temperature.

For all that pain, you'll get no gain.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard's carbon dioxide tax will have you pay more for petrol, electricity and everything made with electricity, but will make zero difference to the climate.

Thousands of Australian jobs are about to be thrown away for nothing.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/pms-tax-to-make-no-difference/story-e6frfhqf-1226028353937

PS - The Fabian Socialist Labor Govt. honestly believes "They Can Change the Weather through TAXATION"!

[Mad Hatter]

More decombobulating... http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2011/03/climate-commission :fish:

[Wiremu2011]

After contemplating the devastating tsunami's recently. I had a vision of a bus having problems starting up, attempting to escape as the tidal surge was rapidly approaching it. As I looked closer, I could see the faces of people I recognised.
It was Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd, Wayne Swann, Tim Flannery and his boyfriend Professor Ross Ganaut, The entire Green Party and blocking the backdoor was their leader Bob "analerectus Brown. If only it was for real and we got rid of these a** wipes, we'd have something of a better world, at least in this part of the world.

[Cjay]

Thankfully, Kevin Rudd (aka KRUDD) was dumped as leader but JuLIAR Guilty is worse in some ways.

Actually, the vast majority of politicians from all parties, in all countries, as far as I am aware, rarely tell the truth. Everything is spin.

Here is a little story to emphasise the point.



Yep! there's an election coming up.

AUSTRALIAN WAY

No matter what side of the AISLE you're on, THIS is FUNNY and VERY telling! It just all depends on how you look at some things.

Judy Rudd an amateur genealogy researcher in southern Queensland ’s, was doing some personal work on her own family tree. She discovered that Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's great-great uncle, Remus Rudd, was hanged for horse stealing and train robbery in Melbourne in 1889. Both Judy and Kevin Rudd share this common ancestor.

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The only known photograph of Remus shows him standing on the gallows at the Melbourne Gaol: On the back of the picture Judy obtained during her research is this inscription: 'Remus Rudd horse thief, sent to Melbourne Gaol 1885, escaped 1887, robbed the Melbourne-Geelong train six times. Caught by Victoria Police Force, convicted and hanged in 1889.'


http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2010/03/23/1225844/484006-kevin-rudd.jpg
So Judy recently e-mailed Prime Minister Rudd for information about their great-great uncle, Remus Rudd.

Believe it or not, Kevin Rudd's staff sent back the following biographical sketch for her genealogy research:

"Remus Rudd was famous in Victoria during the mid to late 1800s . His business empire grew to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and intimate dealings with the Melbourne-Geelong Railroad.
Beginning in 1883, he devoted several years of his life to government service, finally taking leave to resume his dealings with the railroad.
In 1887, he was a key player in a vital investigation run by the Victoria Police Force. In 1889, Remus passed away during an important civic function held in his honour when the platform upon which he was standing collapsed."
NOW That’s how it's done, Folks!

That's real POLITICAL SPIN.

[Cjay]

From today's Melbourne newspaper, Herald Sun (click cartoon to enlarge)

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...and here is the actual debate


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqjWLCwZ0_8

[Cjay]

A Cool Look At Climate Change

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Part 2: 6631

Philip R Wood - Short Biography
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[Carpenters619]

Anyone have any links to a name and shame web page for mp supporters of this breathing/carbon tax?
i'm beginning to feel the urge to put up a few posters around town. From my dealings around town,,, lots of people couldn't care one way or another, but are starting to sway to to government's propaganda. Those of us who openly oppose any such tax, are being portrayed as vandals..
any ideas?

[Lord Sidious]

Anyone have any links to a name and shame web page for mp supporters of this breathing/carbon tax?
i'm beginning to feel the urge to put up a few posters around town. From my dealings around town,,, lots of people couldn't care one way or another, but are starting to sway to to government's propaganda. Those of us who openly oppose any such tax, are being portrayed as vandals..
any ideas?

Good luck to ya, just don't sack Rome.

[Cjay]

I have to preface this story, for our non-Australian friends, with a quick roll-call of the characters, in order of appearance in the story:

Wayne Swann - Deputy Prime Minister, Treasurer
Cate Blanchet - Actor
Julia Gillard - Prime Minister
Greg Combet - Minister for Climate Change and Energy Efficiency
Michael Caton - Actor

Background: New government-funded TV advertisements (let's be honest - propoganda) promoting their proposed carbon tax.


An article by Terry McCrann, published in Melbourne's Herald Sun newspaper, Tuesday May 31, 2011.


NO, Wayne, nobody is questioning Cate Blanchett's right to speak about climate change or indeed anything else.

Just that when she chooses to tell the same lies about carbon dioxide and your punitive tax that you and Julia and Greg keep reciting so shamelessly, she also can and will be called to account.

There was Julia herself at it again today using the term "carbon pollution" or variants no less than 23 times in one column. She managed an extraordinary six uses of the term in just two successive sentences.

We all know the utterly disgraceful game that you and she and the rest of your colleagues are playing - lying about "carbon pollution", to create the impression your climate policy is designed to stop the emission of dirty bits of grit.

And who could possibly be against that? Except that your policy has got nothing to do with bits of grit; it's all and only about taxing life-enhancing carbon dioxide.

Yes, the very stuff you sputter out with every one of your lies.

That a prime minister and a deputy prime minister and indeed every member of Cabinet would be so relentlessly dishonest with the country is utterly beyond - very grubby - comparison. It is unbelievable but for the fact it is happening.

Last year, global CO2 emissions rose by 1.6 gigatonnes to 30.6 gigatonnes, according to the International Energy Agency, The Guardian newspaper has reported. That increase alone is equal to nearly four times our total emissions.

And we intend to cut by 5 per cent by 2020. That is to say, the world will "make up" for the cuts that it will take us nine years to achieve, in five days!

It is well worth a few minutes to read the whole story here:
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/mccrann-carbon-debate-tars-spruikers/story-e6freomx-1226065944634

And the cherry on today's BS cake (click picture to enlarge):

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All together now... Let's sing, shall we?

Don't you love farce?
My fault I fear.
I thought that you'd want what I want.
Sorry, my dear.
But where are the clowns?
Quick, send in the clowns.
Don't bother, they're here.

[Cjay]

This is from an email I received tonight. I have been saying similar things about volcanoes and bushfires for years.


who do we believe??

Are you sitting down?

Okay, here's the bombshell.

The volcanic eruption in Iceland, since its first spewing of volcanic ash has, in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet - all of you.

Of course you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to suppress. It's that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to live and grow, and to synthesize into oxygen for us humans, and all animal life.

I know, it's very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and expense of: driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your kid's "The Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of abroad, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your 50 cents light bulbs with $10.00 light bulbs...well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just four days.

The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four days - YES - FOUR DAYS ONLY by that volcano in Iceland, has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon (dioxide). And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud any one time - EVERY DAY.

I don't really want to rain on your parade too much, but I should mention that when the volcano Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in its entire YEARS on earth. Yes folks, Mt Pinatubo was active for over one year - think about it.

Of course I shouldn't spoil this touchy-feely tree-hugging moment and mention the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the well-recognized 800-year global heating and cooling cycle, which keep happening, despite our completely insignificant efforts to affect climate change.

And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud but the fact of the matter is that the bush fire season across the western USA and Australia (now Borneo, Russia, Greece, to name a few more) this year alone will negate your efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three years. And it happens every year.

Just remember that your government just tried to impose a whopping carbon tax on you on the basis of the bogus human-caused climate change scenario.
Hey, isn't it interesting how they don't mention Global Warming any more, but just Climate Change - you know why? It's because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these global warming bull artists got caught with their pants down.

And just keep in mind that you might yet have an Emissions Trading Scheme - that whopping new tax - imposed on you, that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you poorer. It won't stop any volcanoes from erupting, that's for sure.

But hey, relax, give the world a hug and have a nice day!

PS: I wonder if Iceland is buying carbon offsets?

[leavesoftrees]

Of course you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to suppress. It's that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to live and grow, and to synthesize into oxygen for us humans, and all animal life.

I know, it's very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and expense of: driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your kid's "The Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of abroad, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your 50 cents light bulbs with $10.00 light bulbs...well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just four days.


Disturbing how the debate has created the meme that carbon is bad. No one stops to think that carbon is the basis of all organic life on this planet. No carbon - no life . I often wonder if this is the underlying motive to this whole carbon pollution/global warming thing.

But I do have to say that what the author lists above have effects that have little to do with the dreaded carbon emissions. Ever driven 20 kms out of any city on this planet and seen the haze of air pollution that we all breathe. The smog that industry and coal fire plants and cars emit has to be decreased, not because of the so called anthropmorphic caused global warming, but because this pollution is affecting our health and could well be killing us. So good to drive a Prius , or ride a bike - it means it's less crap that we have to breathe in. Good to use fabric grocery bags - it's one less plastic bag that could end up killing some poor fish in the Pacific. Good to get rid of potentially poisonous cleaning chemicals in our homes; good to use less water, when the city's total water storage is down to 20% ..

amazing how being environmentally proactive can be so easily distorted in this tug of war over carbon emissions and taxes. There's a subversion going on here and it's nasty and it's insidious

[Cjay]

Of course you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to suppress. It's that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to live and grow, and to synthesize into oxygen for us humans, and all animal life.

I know, it's very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and expense of: driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your kid's "The Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of abroad, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your 50 cents light bulbs with $10.00 light bulbs...well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just four days.


Disturbing how the debate has created the meme that carbon is bad. No one stops to think that carbon is the basis of all organic life on this planet. No carbon - no life . I often wonder if this is the underlying motive to this whole carbon pollution/global warming thing.

But I do have to say that what the author lists above have effects that have little to do with the dreaded carbon emissions. Ever driven 20 kms out of any city on this planet and seen the haze of air pollution that we all breathe. The smog that industry and coal fire plants and cars emit has to be decreased, not because of the so called anthropmorphic caused global warming, but because this pollution is affecting our health and could well be killing us. So good to drive a Prius , or ride a bike - it means it's less crap that we have to breathe in. Good to use fabric grocery bags - it's one less plastic bag that could end up killing some poor fish in the Pacific. Good to get rid of potentially poisonous cleaning chemicals in our homes; good to use less water, when the city's total water storage is down to 20% ..

amazing how being environmentally proactive can be so easily distorted in this tug of war over carbon emissions and taxes. There's a subversion going on here and it's nasty and it's insidious

I did not comment on that anonymous person's rant when I posted it because I thought I would let it stand alone for a while - and it was about 3 hours and 31 minutes past LATE. I needed sleep. If only I had more CO2, I could get to sleep more easily.

Whoever wrote that made a lot of sense when he (or she) was talking about volcanoes and bushfires. Some of the other comments were out of place and, well, just ranting or whinging. When we are all using free energy and vehicles that don't need roads, we will have a lot less pollution. 'Nuf said?

[sidh25]

if not this party. then who. they're all dirty. they have a saying in india for politicians which roughly translated to english means. vote for the party who's already eaten. atleast they won't have the hunger of an empty belly. if you ask me i honestly think the thousands of years of conditioning, deceit, lying, manipulation has literally rendered us powerless to TPTB. Trying to show some of my friends the other day some of the ways we are lied to by our governments. Most difficult thing I ever tried to do and failed miserably. O well. I still try.

[bluestflame]

would have made more sense having a carbon monoxide tax , you know , the stuff that comes out of car exhausts...