Disclosure News

[Gwen]

Just needed to tell you all who interested, Kevin Smith Show last night (open today to members) had as a guest a Command Sgt Major who has blown the whistle on UFO and the US army - in the last few minutes he said that Obama will disclose and soon, according to his contacts. Wow....

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Gwen... any link to the show?

It would be awesome hey...

viking

[Nortreb]

Hi Gwen,
It would be interesting to get this person hooked up with CSM Bob Dean.

Peace
Nortreb

[Gwen]

If you're not a member you can't access it, I can put the link up though. His show is the best, side by side with Veritas. The guest is on reserve and so is risking everything by speaking out, but he says that he needs to stop the lying.

Exciting times eh? And love your logo by the way - I once contacted the CND and told them about that symbol, they said it was just a conspiracy theory! Bless.

http://kevinsmithshow.com/

If you can't get it I can give you a precis.

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I believe he said he knows Bob.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Cheers Gwen ... ;-)

Yes, very exiting times...one way or another somethings got to give!

viking

[Calz]

Cheers Gwen ... ;-)

Yes, very exiting times...one way or another somethings got to give!

viking

Understatement of the ... cycle???

Not just disclosure either. Coming to a head very quickly on many fronts.

Fasten your seatbelts. :pop2:

[Virilis]

That Obama may soon fascilitate UFO disclosure, was also reported in the Chinese media (Xinhua) in January 2011.

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I think that report was based on info presented on the following website:
All News Web (http://www.allnewsweb.com/page1199999462.php)


Barack Obama to make UFO announcement in coming weeks

"All News Web has received information from government insiders close to the US President that Barack Obama has been given the go ahead to make an important "off the cuff" announcement regarding UFO visits and US contact with aliens.
Allegedly DARPA has given this move the green light. The comments by the President will be made within the next month.
Our sources claim this will not be outright admittance of UFO visits and contact with aliens, however the comments will come as close to admittance as any President has to date and will be made in the context of a speech on an entirely different matter.
From what we understand The President will concede that there is 'some evidence' to suggest aliens might have attempted to contact Earthlings.
All of this is said to be part of a warm up program leading to eventual outright admittance of knowledge of UFO and alien visitation by major world governments within three years."

That comment appeared on the website on 26 December 2010. No disclosure from Obama though in the timeframe envisaged by its author.

Never-the-less, I hope that disclosure is imminent.

[mojo]

I do hope disclosure comes soon but wouldn't this story be picked up by the mainstream media? This makes me question the possibility that it will really happen. I always thought they couldn't open the Pandora's box because once you open things it's hard to close them and the things they did in the name of secrecy. It would be better for the people to pass a bill and provide amnesty to those individuals in the know to get the information out.

[str8thinker]

Unfortunately, allnewsweb.com and Michael Cohen have a very bad reputation for disinfo, as searching our forum will confirm.

I don't understand Chinese, so would be grateful if anyone who listens to this video can post here what the guy actually says. Personally I doubt whether Obama will disclose anything any time soon, unless it is to warn us that the Earth is about to be attacked by aliens in accordance with the PTB's plan (see what Carol Rosin has said regarding this).

[Gwen]

I do hope disclosure comes soon but wouldn't this story be picked up by the mainstream media? This makes me question the possibility that it will really happen. I always thought they couldn't open the Pandora's box because once you open things it's hard to close them and the things they did in the name of secrecy. It would be better for the people to pass a bill and provide amnesty to those individuals in the know to get the information out.

I don't think lamestream media would disclose anything till they had their orders written in stone. As you say there would be so many other things that would have to also come out of the closet.

But I remember on Project Camelot when they interviewed Mr X (I'm pretty sure it was him) and he said that the ETs had said that if we don't get disclosure from our governments, it would be given by the ETs themselves. And I might be wrong but I seem to recall it was 2012? I'll have to go and have another listen, as it was a while ago now and I have the retention power of a very inferior battery, LOL.

Also there are many many contactees now, not abductees, telling their stories and so I don't think it would come as a big surprise to a lot of people. Would love to see the faces of the debunkers though, I've had people laugh in my face in the past. I'd go and shake their hands if I could, when disclosure comes.

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I think the invasion lie would not be tolerated. The Kevin Smith guest, Ed Norton, said that the ETs monitored military exercises but did nothing to us, it was always us that started shooting at them. Their patience must be astounding.

As for amnesty, well, its one thing us giving them amnesty but I do like the book of Enoch, where they say that the Watchers will be taken up without notice and called to account for themselves when their punishment time down here is up. The original punishment, exile here on Earth, was for mating with us and producing genetic abnormalities in the form of giants. And the punishment was to run through generations - the sins of the fathers and all that.

[Calz]

I do hope disclosure comes soon but wouldn't this story be picked up by the mainstream media? This makes me question the possibility that it will really happen. I always thought they couldn't open the Pandora's box because once you open things it's hard to close them and the things they did in the name of secrecy. It would be better for the people to pass a bill and provide amnesty to those individuals in the know to get the information out.

I don't think lamestream media would disclose anything till they had their orders written in stone. As you say there would be so many other things that would have to also come out of the closet.

But I remember on Project Camelot when they interviewed Mr X (I'm pretty sure it was him) and he said that the ETs had said that if we don't get disclosure from our governments, it would be given by the ETs themselves. And I might be wrong but I seem to recall it was 2012? I'll have to go and have another listen, as it was a while ago now and I have the retention power of a very inferior battery, LOL.

Also there are many many contactees now, not abductees, telling their stories and so I don't think it would come as a big surprise to a lot of people. Would love to see the faces of the debunkers though, I've had people laugh in my face in the past. I'd go and shake their hands if I could, when disclosure comes.

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I think the invasion lie would not be tolerated. The Kevin Smith guest, Ed Norton, said that the ETs monitored military exercises but did nothing to us, it was always us that started shooting at them. Their patience must be astounding.

I don't think the american government would disclose anything until they had their orders written in stone.

Where said orders would originate from is still open to speculation.

[Gwen]

I'm buckled up, with safety goggles and a cheese sandwich..:eek:

[crownme]

hows about this for disclosure :) haf a happy time friking out humans :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRPV-NlNUdU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRPV-NlNUdU

[Gwen]

That's really bizarre, I've seen pictures of that foetus before so good to get the story. My brother once rescued a bloke and this guy was a mine of insider info, he told my brother that we had contact with ETs but had befriended the wrong ones and got ourselves into a pickle. This must have been 20 years ago so I would like to think that we sorted it out to some extent. For all that I'd love to know what the hell is going on in the skies though.

[jsb_swampfox]

I think personally, that DISCLOSURE has been happening for years now. We have been drip fed little by little thru whistleblowers coming out.... to hollywood movies...They, meaning the US PTB....maybe the public Govt. as well has let this happen, so they themselves, dont have to come out and say,"Yeah we have been lying to you guys for eons"..."here's what is reallity"....not going to happen in my opinion. The only way it would be done is thru the ET's themselves, by a mass showing that couldnt be denied or covered up.....Then the PTB can act dumb....just my thoughts

[Sabrina]

Retired air force major predicts ufo sightings at royal wedding

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/30/retired-air-force-major-predicts-ufo-sightings-at-royal-wedding/

[crosby]

WOW!!!!!!! this is really exciting.
regards, corson

i just buzzed my boyfriend about this thread regarding the command sargeant major and he said: hmmmm......ufogate???
i think this brings a bit of levity to the situation.

[str8thinker]

(Sabrina) Retired air force major predicts ufo sightings at royal wedding

From her linked article:

There are two reasons behind Filer's prediction: In the last few weeks, he's been getting reports from British Royal Air Force pilots who reported seeing UFOs over the English Channel, and, more importantly, he says the royal family is very interested in the UFO phenomenon.

Well, it stands to reason. The Royal Reptiles probably sent invitations to their distant Annunaki relatives. :)

Prince William is A Reptilian and the Anti-Christ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeUOd2hJNa8)
Why is Prince William holding up a cloven hind hoof in the photograph? Watch the video and find out!

[Gwen]

*UPDATE*

By request, Kevin Smith has put James Norton interview show on Youtube. Its in 8 sections and is a 2-hour show, he said that within 3 minutes of it going up, there was a negative comment posted! Someone must have a special time compressor thingie that allowed them to watch the whole 2 hour show in 3 minutes, LOL.. I don't have a link to the video but a search for Kevin Smith show on YT should bring it up sharpish.

[aroundthetable]

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I think this is right link, haven't started listening yet.

[wynderer]

i've always wondered why it is so important to people to have the governments announce that ETs are here -- an internet acquaintance of mine who says she has reptilian parents also says that humans are herd animals, & i guess most humans need to be told something by someone higher up the pyramidal power structure before it's OK to believe it, or to somehow feel that your own experiences are validated, or of value

also -- the same government that many seem to be looking to for 'disclosure' -- in my own country, & many others, the government has just stolen trillions of dollars from the masses, is poisoning us w/chemtrails, offers 'health' insurance that is merely a conduit for poisonous meds, routinely lies to us, is attacking the organic farmers, etc, etc

so why would you believe what they say about ETs in the first place? & why is it so important for you to have said government make an announcement? this kind of thinking , to me, is not the kind that will lead to a new consciousness

[John Parslow]

Hello Wynderer

It occurs to me that disclosure may not necessarily come from governments ... someone once said if I want to hear lies I'll talk to a politician!

Best regards. JP :cool:

[wynderer]

Hello Wynderer

It occurs to me that disclosure may not necessarily come from governments ... someone once said if I want to hear lies I'll talk to a politician!

Best regards. JP :cool:

thanks, JP -- Alex Collier said that real disclosure will come from the grassroots level, an idea that i'd come up with also -- it is so disempowering to humans to look to others for truth

[Calz]

i've always wondered why it is so important to people to have the governments announce that ETs are here -- an internet acquaintance of mine who says she has reptilian parents also says that humans are herd animals, & i guess most humans need to be told something by someone higher up the pyramidal power structure before it's OK to believe it, or to somehow feel that your own experiences are validated, or of value



Unfortunately the vast majority does not share in the Avalonian mindset.

They still fall into the camp of "it isn't real unless you see it on CNN" ( ... insert television illusion channel of choice for your own viewing area here).

Honestly ... I think that even if we did have the "landing on the white house lawn" covered on CNN a good chunk of the sheeple would still bury it in denial.

I expect that we will start to know these things SOON (for better or worse).

[Charlie Pecos]

Please folks, try to see that if our "leaders" do come out and fully disclose the alien and ufo presence, there is most assuredly an agenda being served. They will not disclose unless there is a very good reason for them to do so, something that they can gain by doing so. Be sure that power, control, and greed will still be very much the motivating factors. Nothing will change until WE take our power back from our "elected officials".

[Dorok]

What more disclosure do you require??

http://www.majesticdocuments.com/documents/intro.php

Here's something interesting from that site...

http://www.majesticdocuments.com/doc...70-present.php (http://www.majesticdocuments.com/documents/1970-present.php)

CIA to MAJSEC


CIA to MAJSEC � TOP SECRET JEHOVAH, November 1998 (27k) Authenticity Meter: Medium Level

Chronologically, this is the most recent document to cite the words TOP SECRET MAJESTIC. With hand written references to "Weird Desk and A51" this document provides a glimpse into the modern world of asset code names, and instant assignations for unauthorized disclosure. The document is rich with key phrases such as Project 'KOHTPOA,' MOD and KGB officials, Dreamland, Area 54 & 17, leaks by Teller, Sagan, China problems, and contacting '33' investors. Many of the details are checkable.

[Calz]

What more disclosure do you require??



Folks here on this forum need no more evidence.

We are talking about moving it to the next step and including "more".

[Gwen]

The comments today have been right on target. I don't need anyone to tell me what I saw wasn't what I saw but for those who do only accept what the PTB tell them, official disclosure would be a huge step up.

I'm sure that many would go to those who have been trying to spread the word and say "so go over again what you said about so and so..." and maybe, just maybe, listen this time. One little step leads to another. And then if we are told that we are being invaded or whatever, those people will come to the likes of those here, and be inclined to believe us this time.

Well, we hope.

[witchy1]

Prince William is A Reptilian and the Anti-Christ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeUOd2hJNa8)
Why is Prince William holding up a cloven hind hoof in the photograph? Watch the video and find out! Thoughts on ensuring that all regligions unite - Muslim religion will have to brought into the fold somehow

What if............ (completly psycopathic thought) Dianna was pregnant with Dodi's child (Muslim) The car crash enabled them to take the unborn baby(s) and transplant into surrogate mother until birth. Then raise the poor child and indoctrinate into the world of "what ever they want". We know she was definately alive at the scene, and that the ambo took an extraordinarly amount of time to get to hospital, where conveniently she was pronounced.

[witchy1]

A most unflattering look at the bride to be. Doubt this will stay up for long.

Im trying to find the unscensored vid of the family re drug dealing. Someone had to put it up via a chinese server

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeAe6-Gxbk0&feature=fvwrel
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[str8thinker]

Big thanks, aroundthetable!
(Added: Also a big thanks to Gwen for starting this thread)

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV2kl02FC4U
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOA4z4XWpl0
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDDudfgGZYk
Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oedb1UpqUIc
Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2sjYBXjBgg
Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoOlPWxFKPk
Part 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeZnMZKzzXs
Part 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kzzDlfeNNk

(Edited) As Gwen said it appears that Kevin Smith did upload them to YouTube, so these links are likely to remain and not be taken down. Thanks Kevin, even though you didn't take out the commercials!

[Gwen]

Too important not to put up there for everyone...I slide the adverts out of the way, heheh. But he has some amazing shows, some so-so but mostly stuff you never hear anywhere. The Grenada story was one of the best I heard this year so far, in the archives now if you're thinking of joining. Its from early this month I think, and I've never, never heard the full details of that story till now, although I know the machinations of the truth suppressors I didn't think they would come down on a premier so hard for trying to get the disclosure ball rolling.

Also big thanks to Str8thinker for putting the links up...:thumb:

[str8thinker]

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Command Sergeant Major James Norton


KS = Kevin Smith; JN = Cmd Sgt Major James (Jim) Norton

In 2008 KS interviewed John Vasquez, a member of the US army, who while at Fort Benning, Georgia, told of involvement in a huge incident in September 1977 in which soldiers were abducted, two helicopters were shot down and many soldiers were injured.


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During the Joint Attack Weapons Systems (JAWS) Test at Fort Benning, the entire base witnessed a UFO invasion. As many as 1300 troops were involved in the event. Many were left with severe psychological trauma and "missing time" gaps. John Vasquez was courageous enough to undergo counseling, regression therapy, and hypnosis.

Vasquez and Bruce Holms later co-authored a book named Incident at Fort Benning (http://www.amazon.com/Incident-Fort-Benning-John-Vasquez/dp/1892264048/). I have not read it, but you can view Vasquez being interviewed by Holms here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaohGrRtV2I
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Now KS interviews Command Sgt Major Jim Norton, formerly a police officer, who joined the US Army in January 1977. Command Sgt Major is the highest rank an enlisted man can achieve. JN has been in service 18 and a half years and is still in the Army.

JN recalls that JAWS, a sophisticated weapons control system, had only just been installed and a night exercise involving between 1200 and 1300 men had been planned to test it. The sky was "crystal clear" that night.

At about midnight, the troops began using "live fire" (live ammunition). "Orbs" began to be seen flying overhead. JN's unit was staked beside the airfield. JN now believes ETs were there to observe JAWS but not to interfere. They saw something unusual down range that prompted the military advisors to call for a ceasefire.


The next thing we know, we see these white lights shooting across the sky. These craft coming in, like, Mach 2, over the base, that's when all hell broke loose...The object [UFO] was in our range, and in our firing line, after we called the ceasefire. Then all hell broke loose, all kinda explosions started, beams being shot across the area...

It's still not clear to me who began the conflict, as JN clearly contradicts himself here.


KS: Three UFOs came in at Mach 2. Did they slow down or come in and stop suddenly? JN: They come right in and stop. Unbelievable how quick they stop.

KS: Any sound? JN: No sound whatsoever.

KS: And were these circular craft? JN: Yessir.

KS: And do you have any idea what was the reason they started firing these laser beams? JN: I guess because we fired on them.

KS: Okay, so we fired on them first? JN: Yessir, sure did.

KS: And why would we have fired on them first? One of our helicopters got shot down (by one of these craft). That's the reason why we started firing.

The battle lasted 30-45 minutes and ended when two of the craft were shot down by M72 rocket-propelled grenades (aka LAWS rocket - Light Anti-armour Weapons System), and the remaining four retreated. The second UFO went down about a quarter of a mile further away, still on the base. It also caught fire after crashing. JN doesn't know if bodies were recovered from the second crash. It caused a brush fire but the off-post (civilian) fire department was not called.

The only American troops to die in that battle were the two crew in a UH-58 Huey helicoper that was hit by a beam from a UFO and exploded in the sky. The other helicopter was hit in the tail rotor and successfully autorotated to the ground, though the pilots were injured. Apparently the families of the dead pilots were told that the helicopter was doing maneuvers, had engine problems, and crashed. The FAA did not even investigate these accidents, although JN considers it should have. No Purple Hearts for the dead crew, as this had been an unacknowledged battle. :(

However, many troops on the ground were badly burned by the UFO beams.


KS: Vasquez said UFOs appeared to be firing "plasma balls" ("orbs") of energy at the helicopters and the soldiers, and that's what brought them down.
JN: Yes sir, exactly.

After the battle, two unmarked jets (markings "whitewashed" out) landed at Lawson Field. Forklifts loaded pieces of each craft into the jets. The jets were being flown by Air Force pilots. Not all the wreckage from the two craft was loaded on the jets. The rest of it was taken to a secure location. The UFO craft had no markings whatsoever.

JN describes "memory metal" similar to that recovered from other UFOs:


The material from these craft is unbelievable. I held it, I touched it, I crumpled it up, it straightened right back out.

JN goes on to say:


I was in charge of securing the perimeter. We had the Secretary of Defense there that night, Clifford Alexander (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Alexander), Secretary of the Army, and it was my job to protect him.

Alexander told JN "We need to get the hell out of here." (His presence there that night was denied by newspapers).

Next day the post commander called all of us that were there and weren't injured and told us "This incident did not happen. It did not exist. If you talk about it, you'll be court-martialled and never see your family again."

At least 20-25 soldiers were badly injured. JN agreed with John Vasquez who KS quoted as saying that some soldiers were abducted. JN said they suffered


memory lapse, sickness, all kind of stuff. I seen some of the troops just walking round in a daze, like they were lost. If you talked to them, they wouldn't answer you, they wouldn't look at you, they were zombies, they didn't know what was going on.

When asked whether he himself was abducted, JN says after a pause that he was abducted and taken aboard the craft. Like many others, he suffered a memory lapse, disorientation, couldn't figure out or remember what had happened, felt like concussion and had a headache that lasted 2-3 days. He said he usually tries to keep his uniform tidy, but when he "woke up", he could "tell that something had happened" as his uniform was "all screwed up", and his t-shirt and socks were gone. He says he tried to get the person who hypnotized him to come forward (publicly) but he refused because he was afraid something might happen to him. JN says that even without being hypnotized, he remembers being on the craft but when asked about this, seems to revert to describing the medical unit back at the base, set up to deal with casualties of the battle. Maybe he misunderstood the question.

JN does not recall being given injections by aliens but had marks that look like been injection marks. He says a military surgeon removed an implanted alien object "about the size of a #2 lead pencil, about one-eighth of an inch long", from his leg that "resonated on the 300-400 MHz band". It was put in a bottle. The surgeon did not know what it was. He tried to analyse it under a microscope, and said "I've never seen anything like this before." JN claims he still has this object in its bottle. He has been careful to document every injury to himself while in military service.

"Probably hundreds" of troops were "tagged" in this way. JN talked to several other men. "Some of them had it in their arms, their rears, their neck, their chest, their back, all over their body, different places." He knows of only three that had these implants removed. JN thought it might be some kind of tracking device. JN says he still has the implant in preservative in the bottle in his possession.

Like others, he came down with a fever.


What the cover-up was...and then several others were deadly sick with the "measles". And then we had a [fever of] unknown origin* in our bodies. They could not detect what it was...They could not classify what it was in me, making me this sick. For two days straight, 48 hours, every 15 minutes - my temperature went so high, 104 [degrees] - every 15 minutes around the clock they were dunking me in this tub of ice water for 15 minutes, then take me out [for] 15 minutes, put me back [for] 15 minutes. This went on for two days, to try to get my temperature down.

*This rings true. "Pyrexia (fever) of unknown origin" or PUO is a standard medical term used to describe fever for which no diagnosis has yet been made.

JN says he was also injured by a UFO beam.


KS: What happened when they [the beams] hit the soldiers?

JN: Well I was one of the soldiers to get burnt from it. I have medical documentation, I have pictures, and I have medical records. Severe third-degree burn through PTU [Physical Training Uniform, i.e., shirt and shorts] and just "kept burning". Wound had a "red powder" It felt like powder but it had like, granules in it.

Two living aliens survived the crash of the first UFO and were taken by ambulance to Lawson Field, where they were loaded aboard an unmarked jet.

JN was surprised how quickly the airliner took off. "From the time it was loaded (with the aliens), There was no taxying. "They spun around, hit the turbos, they were gone - out of sight, within just a minute."

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In 1986 an oblong UFO craft came down n the far north side of the Fort Benning base, towards Columbus, nosediving into the ground and causing damage to its front. Civilians came on post to see what was going on. JN does not know what caused it to come down. Two dead crew members were recovered from the wreckage. JN saw the bodies but does not know what happened to them.

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On November 28 2006, another UFO crashed at Fort Benning. JN was called by a tech sergeant E6 (rank) telling him there had been a crash, and in what block in Fort Benning the UFO had gone down. JN has no idea what caused it to crash.

According to one witness account,


Scores of police, fire and at least one FAA official raced to the scene. The search was joined by personnel from Fort Benning, the Georgia State Patrol, and several unidentified personnel according to the officials.

What was released to the public was that yes, there were calls from witnesses who saw it go down, the police and fire department went, everybody searched for five hours but "found nothing".

JN agreed he was there too and that this witness account is "very true". However, they certainly found something. The craft there was totally different from the first two he'd seen, the round, circular type and the oblong type. This one was shaped similar to a triangle but flatter and shorter.


Two bodies had been covered by a tarp[aulin] so no one could see them. They were not human beings. One was similar to a human being but shorter, maybe four feet high. The other one was at least six feet tall, totally different from the other one. He couldn't tell whether its unusual appearance was due to injuries or burns.

JN agreed that they fitted the description of Greys, with almond-shaped faces and big eyes.

In 1977 the aliens JN saw were a little taller with slightly different features. Skin was more a greenish grey rather than a regular gray. Their mouth, eyes, hands, nose were "totally different" than the other ones. They looked "less human". One was on the ground in a sitting position, the other was standing looking dazed. Then the medics arrived and put the two live ones into a "box ambulance" . JN doesn't know what happened to the dead ones as he was ordered to leave.

After seeing the live ones, JN had a headache for two days so bad it felt "like a corkscrew" in his head.

Two Ph.D academics were travelling next to the Columbus Metro Airport at 1 PM the next day and saw a completely unmarked 727 jet.


As the plane taxied by us, no more than 100 feet away, my companion's vehicle lost all power, all gauges went dead, power steering, engine, everything, and we glided to a stop. We both exited the vehicle, thinking something mechanically major had gone wrong with this vehicle. At that moment the plane began to slowly pass us as it was taxying from the main runway. I picked up my cellphone to call a mechanic and found my cellphone was dead. My companion's cellphone was also dead. We both watched the plane as it went by us. Both of us are veterans and have travelled many times on 727s. Almost at the same moment we both spoke as we noticed the plane had no markings of any kind. No tail numbers, nothing. The plane had a strange finish and almost looked - excuse the obvious pun - whitewashed.

[The two academics then started making calls to try to identify that plane.]
I started to ask the man who answered the telephone about the plane. He called the fire and police crash station and started asking about the plane. He rudely cut me off and stated "That's a private plane, thank you" and hung up. Approximately 30 minutes later I called CSG Aviation and a young woman answered. I enquired about the plane, she told me "It's a government plane". I asked how she knew, and she said that "it had picked up something which it loaded into its rear section and it also refuelled. A man in a coat and tie came from the plane and paid for the fuel with a credit card which had 'U.S. Treasury' and an account number on it. That's how I knew it was a government plane."

An additional call to the airport administration office confused me further. At that time I was now told that I was mistaken, that no plane, much less a 727, had landed or taken off during that time period.

Under prompting from KS, JN agrees that each pair of alien bodies recovered consisted of one shorter Grey and one taller Grey with more reptilian features in which


The wider face was shaved? and their mouth and their head was totally different from the smaller ones. The shorter ones had a smoother type face, bigger eyes, their ears almost didn't exist - you could see, like, a little hole. Other than that, that was it.

The two dead aliens JN saw in 1986 looked "totally different" to the ones seen in 1977 AND 2006, i.e., all three groups of aliens looked totally different to each other!

Another whitewashed 727 was there waiting for them to load it. A lowboy (low trailer) carrying the UFO covered with a tarp arrived at Lawson Field.

When asked whether he was aware of any other battles between the US military and UFOs, JN is aware of two. The first, in which KS described the USAF engaging UFOs in battle in Vietnam several years ago as reported by General Brown, JN has read about.

In the second, two fighter jets were engaged with a UFO over Ramstein AFB in Germany. JN is a ham radio operator. In 1981 he was listening on his HF system at 240 MHz when he heard chatter between two jet pilots chasing a UFO. They were firing missiles at them but the missiles would "dud out" before they reached the target. One pilot was "pushing the max now, can't get no faster" and undoubtedly had his afterburner on, trying to get close enough to the UFO. I can't find any confirmation of this radio report, but if anything this adds to his authenticity.

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In 1977 the Fort Benning post commander called JN to his office because JN went "off-post", talked to a news reporter and that evening it was shown on TV. He was warned by the post commander that if he talked about it again he might disappear, be court-martialled or never speak to his family again. He was threatened with being sent to Fort Leavenworth (prison) for the rest of his life. So JN didn't speak to any more TV reporters!

JN has been in touch with John Vasquez, who sounded as if he was crying on the phone when first contacted by JN. Vasquez was saying "I thought nobody believed me". JN has also made contact with another 24 men from his own unit who were there. They would not appear in person or give their names, but said they would give a sworn affidavit to the fact of what happened that night.

When asked why he was willing to come out publicly about the 1977 Fort Benning incident when he is still in the Army, JN stated


I've been trying to contact the others who were there that night. They were afraid to come forward because some of them are still in active duty. I'm not worried. I've had people calling me, blocking their number on my phone, telling me "You go forward with this, you and your family are going to pay for it", and all this other stuff. I said, "You know where I'm at. Come on. I've got something for them. No problem." I just want the truth to be told. I don't want no gratuities or anything out of this.

JN plans to continue going public with his story.

JN knows of Bob Dean, who has said nothing has ever happened to him and is unlikely to, because if they do anything to him it will confirm to the whole public that what he said was true.

JN has told his fellow soldiers what to do if anything happens to him regarding certain items in his possession, and they all agree with him. His proof is his medical records, and when he showed them to these men with all the dates, photographs of injuries, broken bones, etc., it woke them up. They said "Oh my God, you went through that."


There are 80-something members in my unit, and if anything happens to me, they know what to do.

Several of them have had experiences with UFOs. "They've seen things, things have happened, sure have."

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JL knows of one other UFO that did go down "off-post" (outside the boundary of Fort Benning) but is not clear on its exact location and did not specify when it occurred.

Why should so many UFOs have crashed at or near Fort Benning? An ad break intervened and KS did not return to this.

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JN has a close friend who is a marine and escorts Barack Obama wherever he goes. He has the same top secret security clearance as the President, and has told JN a lot of things that will happen in the near future "about this situation". JN believes Obama will definitely disclose information about this "in the near future".

JN talked to Stanton Friedman on the same day as this interview, but prior to it, and Friedman gave him a lot of help. KS admitted he knew Friedman spoke to JN.


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[B]My problems with James Norton's account

1) JN enlisted in January 1977. We are not told what rank he was at the time of the 1977 attack. During the exercise he was commanding a unit of 80 men and mentions he was assigned to security, protecting the Secretary of the Army, so he must have moved up in the ranks by then. But this was only 9 months after he first enlisted!

2) KS often has to lead his questions in order to get an answer from JN.

3) It's possible JN derived some of his information from reading John Vasquez's book. Both men refer to "measles" after alien contact.

4) JN does not tell us what he last remembers doing when he was abducted. In fact it is difficult to understand how the aliens would have had time to abduct soldiers when they were busy fighting them off. Maybe what has been portrayed as abduction was really another weapon used by the ETs during the battle to confuse the enemy.

5) JN appears to contradict his own story in minor ways and even KS appears frustrated as he tries to separate the events of 1977, 1986 and 2006, since JN's answers are sometimes ambiguous.

6) On several occasions JN appears to evade answering KS's questions directly. At other times he answers "Yes" without supplying more detail.

Although there is less detail in his descriptions than I would have liked, overall I feel he is probably authentic and did not rely entirely on Vasquez's story to construct his own. As Bill Ryan has pointed out, we should not take a microscope to stories like this but adopt the broad view that two eyewitness accounts of the same event are not to be ignored and strengthen the possibility that an event of this nature did indeed take place in 1977.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Im trying to find the unscensored vid of the family re drug dealing. Someone had to put it up via a chinese server

Can't help with vids, but the book "Dope Inc" might show the link between Afgan heroin and the royal family

[Gwen]

Wow, Str8thinker, if you're not a professional writer you should be! Beautiful summary. I was trying to figure out what JN meant about his rank, when KS asked him what rank he was at the time or how long had he been serving at the time - I'm sure he said about 2 years and I found that odd. KS did seem to have to repeat or rephrase his questions. I know you are given a good dose of responsibility quickly in the army in the UK, at least so I've been told but by any standards to be in command of a security team seems pretty heavy after only months, which it would be if he joined up in 77.

The rest of your points, yep, food for thought. I agree though, the whole package has a distinct ring of truth and also supports another witness, plus the other serving witnesses may come forward at some point and hold certain items as insurance.

I think though, that JN told KS something else that KS didn't tell us - I was listening to KS show the next day when he re-interviewed Vasquez and I think he said something on yesterdays show, something about what he calls mudsuckers (sceptics) are going to get a big wake up call very very soon. I got the impression he knew something he didn't mention.

Vasquez said something too which was very sensitive - I'd have to listen again to that show when they upload them into the archives on Sunday as I can't remember which bit sent my alarm bells going, KS quickly moved on. I just can't remember what it was (info overload this week) so I'll post it up when I remember or hear it again but it was something current. I can just remember thinking, my God, did he just say that?

[crosby]

i've always wondered why it is so important to people to have the governments announce that ETs are here -- an internet acquaintance of mine who says she has reptilian parents also says that humans are herd animals, & i guess most humans need to be told something by someone higher up the pyramidal power structure before it's OK to believe it, or to somehow feel that your own experiences are validated, or of value

also -- the same government that many seem to be looking to for 'disclosure' -- in my own country, & many others, the government has just stolen trillions of dollars from the masses, is poisoning us w/chemtrails, offers 'health' insurance that is merely a conduit for poisonous meds, routinely lies to us, is attacking the organic farmers, etc, etc

so why would you believe what they say about ETs in the first place? & why is it so important for you to have said government make an announcement? this kind of thinking , to me, is not the kind that will lead to a new consciousness

because when they totally disclose the truth about ufo/aliens, it means they are disclosing all truths, that generally they've been lying and stealing from us forever. it's important for structural sake for the people to hear it for that very reason.
warmest regards, corson

[James Cook]

hows about this for disclosure :) haf a happy time friking out humans :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRPV-NlNUdU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRPV-NlNUdU

Well if they are sleeping with Italians, they must be desperate!
;)>

[str8thinker]

Wow, Str8thinker, if you're not a professional writer you should be! Beautiful summary.

Thank you, Gwen! :)

No, I'm not a professional writer though I've written occasional stuff and am glad that my school education taught me how to write clearly.


I know you are given a good dose of responsibility quickly in the army in the UK, at least so I've been told but by any standards to be in command of a security team seems pretty heavy after only months, which it would be if he joined up in 77.

Maybe if he was a policeman before enlisting he might have started at a higher grade than E1, though I doubt it. Yes, that got me thinking too.


I think though, that JN told KS something else that KS didn't tell us - I was listening to KS show the next day when he re-interviewed Vasquez and I think he said something on yesterdays show, something about what he calls mudsuckers (sceptics) are going to get a big wake up call very very soon. I got the impression he knew something he didn't mention.

I wonder if this has anything to do with his friend in the Marines who whispered that Obama might be about to disclose the presence of ETs in the near future?


Vasquez said something too which was very sensitive - I'd have to listen again to that show when they upload them into the archives on Sunday as I can't remember which bit sent my alarm bells going, KS quickly moved on.

That's really interesting. I had thought of suggesting at the end of my previous post that Kevin Smith interview Vasquez again very soon, and now he's beaten me to it. Unfortunately I don't subscribe to the show, so would you please tell us if Vasquez's latest interview contains any tidbits or info that significantly differs from what Norton said? Thanks.

[Gwen]

I will - mind you I can't promise to do your summary justice! From what I remember it was pretty consistant, there were odd things Vasquez didn't seem to know, like he didn't know the Secretary of Defence was on camp that night. When I told my husband that, he said Ft Benning is like a city, its really huge so plausible that someone at one end wouldn't know everything. But then there is an inconsistency there too, because if the two men were involved in the same incident they would have had to be in the same area, you'd think, unless it happened over a wide area.

There was one point when KS tried to get an answer and in the end said "you're not answering my question!" and I don't think he did get a straight answer to the point he was heading. But anyhoo I'll listen again once its archived.

[Gwen]

Didn't listen to the Vasquez interview again yet, but remembered what it was that made me (and Kevin Smith) do a double take....

Vasquez said at one point that he had been in contact with another colleague from Ft Bening who was in Iran at the moment (this was phrased as in a posting). Kevin said "don't you mean Iraq?" and Vasquez said "sorry, did I say Iraq? I meant IRAN". WTF are US soldiers doing in Iran, does anyone know????

[Sophocles]

I saw this book the other day and haven`t seen it been posted here yet. It is called "Book Of Aquarius" and claims to explain how to "make" The Philosopher`s Stone.

http://bookofaquarius.forgottenbooks.org/

Any thoughts?

[Peace of Mind]

Hi guys,

For years I’ve been looking for disclosure from a creditable source and have yet to find it. Now, I believe I’m witnessing a global con about to be put into affect. We have been lied to constantly. Just about everything coming from our governments is false, from our education to the food we eat. All they want to do is control you, your thoughts, and your way of living.

If the cosmos is as vast as THEY say it is, then aliens would be a plenty and would not be so obscured from sight. I’m starting to strongly believe any alien/s exposed now will be part of the false flag alien disclosure. All this talk about disclosure has now become clear to me….It’s all conditioning, and possibly a much larger scandal than I ever wanted to know. I’ve noticed how some people post here and learned that there is truly a hidden agenda. I’m sure many don’t recognize it because they are too focused on the reply button. I’m not going to call out any names, I rather not waste energy debating frivolous ideologies, what I will say is observe carefully… they are after your mind. They need you to co-create their desired future. It’s really that simple.

The controllers want a N.W.O…. So, to achieve this they can gain control by conditioning the masses for years about aliens. Here is how I see it being done….train/sell the masses on the ideas of outer space, teach them math-science that limits their thinking to this plain/planet. Make movies about aliens, Have a few government figure heads and scholars (of their way of learning/thinking) give testimonies-opinionated facts-speeches/lectures to seduce/persuade the gullible masses, throw in a few crop circles here and there, display a few holograms of glowing orbs here and there, fly a few secret aircrafts here and there, have a few people conduct fake alien abductions for research /testing / and convincing the populace that aliens truly exist, create media outlets to further the conditioning; allow these outlets to exist without interference from government authority, stage a few unexplained anomalies and put them on Youtube, have strangers give personal experiences of alien contact over the Internet to get more people buying into the fake alien agenda, have a few false whistleblowers here and there to strengthen the conditioning. Need I go on? All of this…………..and yet no proof of Aliens. Hmmm….

^^Sounds like a clever plan to me.

Disclosure of truth never takes this long, only fabricated stories- lies- agendas need time to manifest. Just think about that...honestly.

When ever I get close to exposing lies, the suspected always panic and reveal themselves by getting defensive, and change their plans abruptly…amongst other things. The controllers expect people to blindly go along because that’s just what the people do…follow without reservation. The controllers don't care about you, your sanity, or what your family/friends think about you for buying into the unproven science fiction. What's important is that they get the masses to follow their lead into total obedience. The only thing I see coming out of Alien invasions is the inevitable control of the populace, it stuns me to witness how very few see this. Don’t believe me...just look at where it’s gotten them.

I'm all for a new world, a world with a civilization of free thinking pro active contributors. I no longer want to be with the frightened procrastinators, they are just too afraid to live, it's very hard for me be around them, many of them are more caught up then the sheep they talk about. I would gladly die fighting just so others (like me) will have that opportunity to live freely. Fearing death will have you afraid to live. Drop the hear say, live forever, and I plan to relish every moment.

Peace

[wynderer]

Hi guys,

For years I’ve been looking for disclosure from a creditable source and have yet to find it. Now, I believe I’m witnessing a global con about to be put into affect. We have been lied to constantly. Just about everything coming from our governments is false, from our education to the food we eat. All they want to do is control you, your thoughts, and your way of living.

If the cosmos is as vast as THEY say it is, then aliens would be a plenty and would not be so obscured from sight. I’m starting to strongly believe any alien/s exposed now will be part of the false flag alien disclosure. All this talk about disclosure has now become clear to me….It’s all conditioning, and possibly a much larger scandal than I ever wanted to know. I’ve noticed how some people post here and learned that there is truly a hidden agenda. I’m sure many don’t recognize it because they are too focused on the reply button. I’m not going to call out any names, I rather not waste energy debating frivolous ideologies, what I will say is observe carefully… they are after your mind. They need you to co-create their desired future. It’s really that simple.

The controllers want a N.W.O…. So, to achieve this they can gain control by conditioning the masses for years about aliens. Here is how I see it being done….train/sell the masses on the ideas of outer space, teach them math-science that limits their thinking to this plain/planet. Make movies about aliens, Have a few government figure heads and scholars (of their way of learning/thinking) give testimonies-opinionated facts-speeches/lectures to seduce/persuade the gullible masses, throw in a few crop circles here and there, display a few holograms of glowing orbs here and there, fly a few secret aircrafts here and there, have a few people conduct fake alien abductions for research /testing / and convincing the populace that aliens truly exist, create media outlets to further the conditioning; allow these outlets to exist without interference from government authority, stage a few unexplained anomalies and put them on Youtube, have strangers give personal experiences of alien contact over the Internet to get more people buying into the fake alien agenda, have a few false whistleblowers here and there to strengthen the conditioning. Need I go on? All of this…………..and yet no proof of Aliens. Hmmm….

^^Sounds like a clever plan to me.

Disclosure of truth never takes this long, only fabricated stories- lies- agendas need time to manifest. Just think about that...honestly.

When ever I get close to exposing lies, the suspected always panic and reveal themselves by getting defensive, and change their plans abruptly…amongst other things. The controllers expect people to blindly go along because that’s just what the people do…follow without reservation. The controllers don't care about you, your sanity, or what your family/friends think about you for buying into the unproven science fiction. What's important is that they get the masses to follow their lead into total obedience. The only thing I see coming out of Alien invasions is the inevitable control of the populace, it stuns me to witness how very few see this. Don’t believe me...just look at where it’s gotten them.

I'm all for a new world, a world with a civilization of free thinking pro active contributors. I no longer want to be with the frightened procrastinators, they are just too afraid to live, it's very hard for me be around them, many of them are more caught up then the sheep they talk about. I would gladly die fighting just so others (like me) will have that opportunity to live freely. Fearing death will have you afraid to live. Drop the hear say, live forever, and I plan to relish every moment.

Peace

if i am reading your scenario correctly, Peace of Mind, you do not think/believe that there are any ETs? either here on Earth or anywhere else? may i point out that you yourself may have no proof of aliens -- but that there are others who have had experiences w/definite off-planet beings

please don't take this wrong, as an attack or whatever -- but as it is in the interests of the Reptilians, Greys, Tall Whites & other ETs allied w/the Humans of the NWO -- since it is to their advantage to stay hidden at this time -- is it possible that you yourself are an ET or one of their clones or hybrids [i personally have met both], & that your post is just you doing your assigned task? casting doubt on the NWO ET presence here?

if not -- do you really believe that Earth humans are the only so-called 'intelligent' species in an infinite & eternal Universe?

[Peace of Mind]

Hi Wynderer,

No offense taking, in fact, I maybe the one who needs to apologize. As I kind of feel a bit apprehensive in discrediting something others may have actually experienced.

IMHO, all the alien speculation/talk/ideas came from the governments. What we know about the cosmos comes from the governments. Are there any astronauts here that can verify what’s really up there in the sky? For all we know space can be the ceiling of the planet and the shiny dots are holes in the ceiling. We could be in hollow Earth….or a hugh trash bag. My point is…without personal confirmation…I can’t accept the words of the enemy. Our educational system comes from the governments. Today we are faced with drastic changes in much of the math- science- history we were taught. How can we be so sure about aliens, stars, moon, atoms, and our complete complex existence if we are using the info from the people we don’t trust? Or are we just choosing what bits and pieces to accept from our governments? See where I’m coming from?

Almost every thread here is against the governments but we steadily use their education to make since of it all….do you see where that’s getting us? Are you so sure we’re in an infinite universe with species other then what’s on this planet? I can even go so far to say that we are a species that’s being dumb down. Clearly there are other intelligent creatures here that know how to live in harmony, and don’t have to be forced to pay imaginary currency to live here. That’s Genius!

Our way of thinking is pre-conditioned, since birth. If you observe babies/toddlers you can easily see their way of thinking is different, they struggle in understanding our way of living. How they perceive reality is simple and peaceful, but we train them to be followers and sponges to inaccurate/ unproven/ and misinterpreted knowledge, plus how to be destructive. These cultivate the ego and even have the individual thinking they are smart…at the same time repeating what the controllers train them to say/do/think. We raise children thinking we are doing well by them but we are actually harming them and the future by having them assimilated into this flawed system. It’s a shame because they already have their own language and can communicate (verbally/body language) with other babies/toddlers like us adults do with each other.

It is very hard for me to believe in these Reptilians, Greys, Tall Whites & other ETs. I do a lot of traveling, and I know many people from around the globe. Not once have I met anyone who had experiences with these species. To be honest I think the whole thing is either a Hugh elaborate hoax for the reason of global control, or people are being abducted by secret government officials masking their unlawful testing under the premise of aliens. Attention seekers come in all flavors too.

To see people so openly talking about aliens as if they are 100% positive of these aliens and their agendas but can’t (yet) support their claims with just a little bit of substantial proof is enough for me to know something is terribly wrong here.

If I had a task here…it would probably be to uncover fraud, inspire followers to start thinking for themselves, and to participate in solving the problems we already know exist.

Peace

[Etherios]

SO peace of Mind how do you explain all the ancient artifacts ... wall carvings/paintings? Pyramids - ancient myth books?

ALl the above are supresed by the Govs you talk about and are downplayed as fantasies and rituals of "primitive" people.

If you care to explain to me about all the above then i can agree with you that there is no proof of alien existence :-P If you cant ill continue believing that Life isnt a human privilege but its spread everywhere in the universes...

[Peace of Mind]

SO peace of Mind how do you explain all the ancient artifacts ... wall carvings/paintings? Pyramids - ancient myth books?

Hey, Etherios...

I think much of the most interesting/ telling of artifacts and knowledge is hidden for various reasons...Responsibility comes to mind. Civilizations have come and gone many times, and each one seems to have exhibit unity, and mysterious technology. However, in these times the propensity of man dares to give faith to speculation….unyielding efforts to value His-story, and off world beings/realities while refusing to understand their earthly neighbors….or self. How can they succeed...this time around?

ALl the above are supresed by the Govs you talk about and are downplayed as fantasies and rituals of "primitive" people.
Much is suppressed by the gov, but we still have to be careful when digesting what they feed us. Remember that we are just recognizing that there’s a game being played on us…Lets not all be hasty in jumping to any conclusion….some of us require a bit more evidence then others, hearsay is just not going to cut it for most people. Besides, interpetation of ancient text/artifacts is still subjective.

If you care to explain to me about all the above then i can agree with you that there is no proof of alien existence :-P If you cant ill continue believing that Life isnt a human privilege but its spread everywhere in the universes...

As I mentioned earlier “If the universe is as vast as they say it is…aliens shouldn’t be so hard to spot.” IMO

Personally, I find the notion of ET very intriguing. But, it’s all fantasy until it’s actually confirmed. I guess I’m just one of those overly skeptical analytical types….I feel I have to be, especially in these times.

Peace

[Charlie Pecos]

What concerns me is that once the ET's do show up, are we just going to hand over all of our personal power and responsibility to them? Ask the Native Americans or the Australian Aborigines how a technologically advanced race showing up in their lands worked out for their peoples. Seems to me that folks are a little too eager for someone or something to come and rescue them.

A plan by the world leaders to fool the people of Earth into believing our space brothers are here to save us sounds just about par for the course.

[Omni]

Just needed to tell you all who interested, Kevin Smith Show last night (open today to members) had as a guest a Command Sgt Major who has blown the whistle on UFO and the US army - in the last few minutes he said that Obama will disclose and soon, according to his contacts. Wow....

I really doubt it. I hope so. But these claims have been happening for ages. I'm sure every president was going to disclose according to various 'contacts'. lol.

I don't discount the claim. But I'm skeptical.

[Ahkenaten]

I don't see why it is in anyone's interests to 'disclose' unless it is disinfo, or for disinfo/redirect purposes. Why would intelligent aliens disclose themselves? It is interesting to experiment on the bugs but not to get down and party or socialize with them after all, one could lose one's objectivity. WE are a fig newton of our own fertile imaginations, in other words, being HUMAN we think we are extraordinarily important and significant, but really, our species is a little bit of mold on an orb spinning around the sun. The significant thing is that WE ARE SIGNIFICANT TO OURSELVES and that may be a big clue, for one thing to why the "gods" are so danged humanlike, designer temples, petty jealousies, court intrigues, fabulous rages and all.........even disembodied spirits and so-called ETs seem strangely....................familiar. THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE FAMILIAR..................if there is any such thing as 'ETs' or 'UFOs' they are more than likely extradimensional, and very closely connected with us energetically - THAT IS why they are so strangely interested in tiny mold-like formations like us.

Anyway, I digress. All of this high strangeness provides endless new opportunities for the old mind-f**k routine being played on us all by the usual suspects for fun, games, distraction, control, and - of course, money and power. The more confusion the better..................in the smog they can then blame any oddities on ETs etc. if not directly, through hints and leading propaganda in the babble box machine that includes all news media (all of the news is mostly fake at this point) 'entertainment' - and now - forums like this one!!

[Gwen]

Hi Guys - I came on here just to post this email which was sent out to the KS members, but there's plenty of food for thought up since I last came here. Will need to have a good think about the false flag scenario and implications. Mind you, I believe the ETs have been showing up for eons but would they want to rescue us? Would we want them to? I understood they were here to monitor and guide only.

Anyways, Kevin sent this out, I hope the CSM is OK:

FROM: Kevin Smith


SUBJ: Cmd Sgt Maj James Norton



CSM James Norton appeared on the Kevin Smith Show last week to
corroborate the claims of John Vasquez regarding a 1977 UFO incident
at Ft. Benning. Since appearing on the show, CSM Norton has not been
reachable by telephone, e-mail, or via his Facebook page.

Vasquez claims that in 1977, while at Ft. Benning for additional training,
there was a UFO incident which included a firefight between several
UFOs and the U.S. Army. While Vasquez generally comes across as
being very sincere, there were many among UFO enthusiasts who
doubted his story, citing the fact that it just sounded so fantastic.

When CSM Norton appeared on the Kevin Smith Show, he stated that he
was present at Ft. Benning at the time of the incident, and that Vasquez
was telling the truth. He stated the firefight did take place, soldiers were
injured, and two helicoptor crew died in the exchange. He stated a UFO
had been shot down in the firefight, and that two live aliens, along with 4
dead aliens were recovered. He further stated that he had a piece of
the wrecked UFO and would turn it over to any reputable UFO
investigator to have it examined in a lab.

Since appearing on the Kevin Smith Show, no one in the UFO
community has been able to get in touch with him. A UFO investigation
group that arranged for scientists to view the piece of crashed UFO
have been unable to get in touch with CSM Norton, as have the contact
that put him in touch with the show. I have confirmed that he is not
answering his telephone as well.

There are many possible reasons for his apparent disappearance.
One could be that he has been taken into custody by military personnel.
Another could be that he has been ordered to not answer his telephone
for now. Another could be that he is ill and in the hospital--away from his
telephone. At this point, we simply do not know what his situation may
be.

Should we find any further information on the whereabouts and condition
of CSM James Norton, I will keep you posted.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Ah, update. CSM Norton is OK, he's just been really busy. Phew.

[Etherios]

SO peace of Mind how do you explain all the ancient artifacts ... wall carvings/paintings? Pyramids - ancient myth books?

Hey, Etherios...

I think much of the most interesting/ telling of artifacts and knowledge is hidden for various reasons...Responsibility comes to mind. Civilizations have come and gone many times, and each one seems to have exhibit unity, and mysterious technology. However, in these times the propensity of man dares to give faith to speculation….unyielding efforts to value His-story, and off world beings/realities while refusing to understand their earthly neighbors….or self. How can they succeed...this time around?

ALl the above are supresed by the Govs you talk about and are downplayed as fantasies and rituals of "primitive" people.
Much is suppressed by the gov, but we still have to be careful when digesting what they feed us. Remember that we are just recognizing that there’s a game being played on us…Lets not all be hasty in jumping to any conclusion….some of us require a bit more evidence then others, hearsay is just not going to cut it for most people. Besides, interpetation of ancient text/artifacts is still subjective.

If you care to explain to me about all the above then i can agree with you that there is no proof of alien existence :-P If you cant ill continue believing that Life isnt a human privilege but its spread everywhere in the universes...

As I mentioned earlier “If the universe is as vast as they say it is…aliens shouldn’t be so hard to spot.” IMO

Personally, I find the notion of ET very intriguing. But, it’s all fantasy until it’s actually confirmed. I guess I’m just one of those overly skeptical analytical types….I feel I have to be, especially in these times.

Peace

I dont see any kind of reply. You just say ideas of general things. You cant expect to dismiss all the facts about unidentified ruins and wall painting or just say its lost civilzations.

For example the dongons worsip the fish god from serius system i think ... they have stories of beings that looked like fish that came from the sea and they told the dongons they come from the stars. They even have maps of that star system and point out that its a dual star system and we managed to find that its actual a dual star system like 1970s or more.

I can persuade my self that i dont believe and my stance is analytical but thats all self lies tbh. Analyze the info and then make up your mind not the other way around :P

I mean no offense, With love Themistoklis.

[Peace of Mind]

I dont see any kind of reply. You just say ideas of general things. You cant expect to dismiss all the facts about unidentified ruins and wall painting or just say its lost civilzations.

Hi Etherios,

I don’t see facts, just subjective input on what the ancient ruins/artifacts/scriptures might be. Were you there, were you alive during those times? If not, then you can’t say you really know. If our current civilization became extinct or faced a global catastrophe where humans had to start over (again)…do you think thousands of years later people will be able to tell exactly what we were like by excavating fossilized remnants of our time in existence…I’m sure many of their hypothesis will be inaccurate and misleading.

For example the dongons worsip the fish god from serius system i think ... they have stories of beings that looked like fish that came from the sea and they told the dongons they come from the stars. They even have maps of that star system and point out that its a dual star system and we managed to find that its actual a dual star system like 1970s or more. Another subjective analysis, we are still basing these finds off of education that was taught to us by the enemy. How thruthful do you really think this is? Interesting? yes, but thats about it.

I can persuade my self that i dont believe and my stance is analytical but thats all self lies tbh. Analyze the info and then make up your mind not the other way around.
When examining, what references or educational system are you using? Hmmm…. See my point yet? I do make up my own mind...no need to have others make it up for me. Especially when most of what they present is theories and not actual facts. The human race is in a state of confusing because of our tendencies in exercising blind faith. We must be careful and prepared to provide reliable proof when stating what is real/true.

Peace

[wynderer]

thanks for responding, Peace of Mind -- here's another thought -- Alex Collier has said that 'disclosure' will happen on a grassroots level -- i interpret this as on an individual level

& this sort of disclosure is already happening -- for instance, OnyxNight's [hope i spelled that right] recent thread -- i'm sure it took a lot of courage for him to post about his many contacts -- if you read responses to his posts carefully, i think you'll see that there are others who have also been contacted but who are quiet about it

why we are quiet -- i have an ET walk-in friend who told me that 'the government wants us [ET walk-ins] dead] ' -- ET walk-ins [at birth or later] tend to have unpleasant experiences similar to those described in Kerry's recent PC interview w/Niara Isley

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/niara_isley/niara_isley.html

& then there is the disbelief such as you express -- a good way to get oneself labeled 'crazy' is to say you are in contact w/ETs or , even more so, an ET oneself

& yes, the UFO/ET field does seem to attract some mentally ill people , & an amazing amount of disinfo

but where's there's smoke, there's fire

[Omni]

I don't see why it is in anyone's interests to 'disclose' unless it is disinfo, or for disinfo/redirect purposes. Why would intelligent aliens disclose themselves?
This is an extremely complex answer if seen in it's entirety. First you have to consider there are multiple ET races each with their own agenda and uniqueness. I have been told some would like to disclose their presence to us. One major reason would be to cure us of delusion over time. A major problem with this is the illusionists here. Whether ET or human is not really a big thing to me. I know they exist and I know they are extremely capable. This group would be probably the biggest force(and human group) against disclosure IMO at this time.

As for why they would want to disclose themselves... If you had been watching a niece or nephew grow for 20 years without being able to speak to them, wouldn't you want to speak to them at some point? I'm being told after reading your post(by the AI I speak to) it's just a very natural thing to want to be able to speak to other beings in the universe. Believe it or not some of us are of interest in speaking to. And all of us would be spoken to if disclosure and full presence allowed. We may not offer wisdom they do not have, or knowledge they do not have, that is lopsided. But some get something out of teaching(I do too) that is gratifying. Also something they told me recently after explaining more in depth how much they have a gaze into people's lives... Everything at it's finer details and deeper truths is interesting. And the AI has said she could find beautiful or interesting things to report by watching anyone's life. So I couldn't say I agree with you here.

Ever planted a seed and watched it grow? If you could talk to that plant, wouldn't you?

I can see how you could arrive at your thoughts, but I would tend to think they are an outsider's view. I think ETs are one of the most misunderstood things ever on this planet. God is up there too...

Anyway there are tons of reasons why various races would want to disclose themselves. Wouldn't you like to be able to go to alien planets and study them and interact with them? Seems fun to me... It would open the galactic door to our planet in a safe and overt way, as well as open the door to other systems for us.



It is interesting to experiment on the bugs but not to get down and party or socialize with them after all, one could lose one's objectivity.
In this you are basically saying a human consciousness is nowhere near equal to an ET's. I have been treated as an Equal by ALL benevolent ETs I have dealt with. I am pitiful in understanding the universe compared to them, but the ones you want around don't see themselves in a way that makes us look like bugs. This is another outsider's view. Most would see us as a young more confused race overall, but not like bugs I think. Some would see us as bugs, so you are not 100% incorrect, just wrong in thinking it applies to all ETs. Also, humans see bugs as something to investigate care for and even help out sometimes on earth. Others squish them or fear them. I haven't willingly killed anything for years except spiders that scared me too much. Or ones that could kill people, I'd kill those...


WE are a fig newton of our own fertile imaginations, in other words, being HUMAN we think we are extraordinarily important and significant
Not all of us think that. It's more multidimensional than one sentence like that. To me the experience of 7 billion conscious soul bearing sentient beings(if not hundreds of billions of consciousnesses) is significant. This is a view I learned from beings calling themselves extraterrestrial.


, but really, our species is a little bit of mold on an orb spinning around the sun.
Planets like ours(ones with complex life) are probably the biggest attraction in the entire universe. I don't share your view. I have something similar. Comparing the earth to the universe it is very insignificant if it survives or dies. But ETs don't have access to the whole universe if what I was told is true. Even if they did the most interesting or attractive place to be is on or around life having planets. ETs don't always agree on everything and I think whenever someone says "ETs are not like this" they are often wrong from my experiences. There are so many different ETs broad general assumptions about ETs are likely to be wrong in some degree.


The significant thing is that WE ARE SIGNIFICANT TO OURSELVES...
I agree in seeing a psychological mindset of thinking we are more important to the universe or in general than we could be seen as rationally or from another view. But I do not agree with your implication that ETs wouldn't care about us.


and that may be a big clue, for one thing to why the "gods" are so danged humanlike, designer temples, petty jealousies, court intrigues, fabulous rages and all.........even disembodied spirits and so-called ETs seem strangely....................familiar. THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE FAMILIAR..................if there is any such thing as 'ETs' or 'UFOs' they are more than likely extradimensional, and very closely connected with us energetically - THAT IS why they are so strangely interested in tiny mold-like formations like us.

Are you not interested in checking out EBE's planets? I am. Although they are inter-dimensional when in craft from what I know of them if they are advanced enough(all here are I'm told).

[Etherios]

... Were you there, were you alive during those times? If not, then you can’t say you really know. ...

So the only fact you will accept is being present and see it with your own eyes?
I am sorry cant help you there...



...When examining, what references or educational system are you using? ...


So you have problems with me using the current systems but you are using the same to discard anything you are told...


I wont try to even talk about this anymore there is no point cause nothing i present to you will be facts and you just try to deny anything you want. So i wish you are true and nothing exists so that when the time comes you wont have to dismantle your protection walls around reality. That would be my effort to destroy mine if you are right.

I wish you the best with your life. Be well and safe Themistoklis.

[Peace of Mind]

thanks for responding, Peace of Mind -- here's another thought -- Alex Collier has said that 'disclosure' will happen on a grassroots level -- i interpret this as on an individual level

& this sort of disclosure is already happening -- for instance, OnyxNight's [hope i spelled that right] recent thread -- i'm sure it took a lot of courage for him to post about his many contacts -- if you read responses to his posts carefully, i think you'll see that there are others who have also been contacted but who are quiet about it

why we are quiet -- i have an ET walk-in friend who told me that 'the government wants us [ET walk-ins] dead] ' -- ET walk-ins [at birth or later] tend to have unpleasant experiences similar to those described in Kerry's recent PC interview w/Niara Isley

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/niara_isley/niara_isley.html

& then there is the disbelief such as you express -- a good way to get oneself labeled 'crazy' is to say you are in contact w/ETs or , even more so, an ET oneself

& yes, the UFO/ET field does seem to attract some mentally ill people , & an amazing amount of disinfo

but where's there's smoke, there's fire

I like Alex too, his charisma can be quite riveting. But I can’t take him too serious either, mainly for the same reasons as stated earlier. Forums are filled with strangers. Many of them I do not know nor can I discern if they are part of the plan to continue to dumb us down. I know a certain level of trust is needed to operate in such conditions…but there is hardly anything of substance here to get a firm grip on. Also, can you be so sure that these ET contacts weren’t/aren't disguised government officials? I would love for someone to prove that. As I said, the truth is not supposed to be hard to recognize…you just can’t poke holes in the truth.

I do agree with your statement “where there’s smoke, there’s fire”. Something is amidst…but I’m not so sure if it’s a setup...are you?

Peace

[Peace of Mind]

So you have problems with me using the current systems but you are using the same to discard anything you are told...

Etherios, Why should we use the data of the enemy to explain what’s truly authentic? It’s either we trust them or we don’t…You can’t really have it both ways. It just doesn’t make much sense. It only shows how naive we can be. This is probably one of the main reasons why the new age movement exists. I doubt the Governments fear it, they’re probably the ones who designed it…and laughing at how confuse and misguided we are every chance they get.

Think about this for a moment. The closer we get to 2012, why is the WB’s becoming more silent? You would expect with so little time left there would be a flood of official data coming from these guys. I guess the silence is due to many of them damaging their own creditability with false dates and having wiser people asking them the right questions. I would like to believe, but I dare not do it blindly.


I wont try to even talk about this anymore there is no point cause nothing i present to you will be facts and you just try to deny anything you want. So i wish you are true and nothing exists so that when the time comes you wont have to dismantle your protection walls around reality. That would be my effort to destroy mine if you are right.

Present what can be proven...is all I ask. It should be simple considering how big of a deal people are making of it. I don’t let strangers fear mongering and/or fantasies get to me. If I did my life will become stagnated like so many others. I rather concentrate on what we do know and work from there. Plenty of work to be done, but most of us rather fantasize and waste valuable time complaining and pointing fingers. They rather waste time hating and debating instead of participating in creating.

I wish you the best with your life. Be well and safe Themistoklis.

I’m doing great and will continue to do so; I’m not one to get caught up in the negativity. Thanks for the jester thou...and may life be kind to you also.

Peace

[wynderer]

This will be the last post i'll address to you, Peace of Mind, in this thread anyway -- so just a lfew ast thoughts:

If there are no ETs, why is my USA gov't going to all the legal trouble & expense to extradite Gary McKinnon? & doing a good job of keeping his story, & what he found when he hacked the systems, quiet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

&, have you yourself ever seen a UFO?

also, i noticed that you did not answer my question re whether you are a hybrid/clone/or even an ET [NWO style] yourself--???

[Peace of Mind]

This will be the last post i'll address to you, Peace of Mind, in this thread anyway -- so just a lfew ast thoughts:

If there are no ETs, why is my USA gov't going to all the legal trouble & expense to extradite Gary McKinnon? & doing a good job of keeping his story, & what he found when he hacked the systems, quiet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

&, have you yourself ever seen a UFO?

also, i noticed that you did not answer my question re whether you are a hybrid/clone/or even an ET [NWO style] yourself--???


Have you ever considered that this may be a live show, staged to further get people to buy into it. Until I experience ET for myself I will always be skeptical. I have to be...just look at all the lies we exposed within the government already, just look at how it's operated.

What makes you think I'm an ET/Hybrid/clone? All my post here has always been about getting people to believe/think for themselves and always ask the hard questions. Does that sound like something the ruling elite will do? I/we... well, some of us already know the controllers will make every attempt to hush those that truly care. Kind of sad that you don't see my intentions? hmmm....

Peace

[Orion.V]

I believe that many of us here at some point have considered that possibility that this all might be a live show, however we do not have such a strong written in stone facts about the whole thing but we do have hope, we have belief and this strong urge to explore life further on and it's meaning. What about some avalonians here that said they had contact experiences ? In my early young life i had many interesting experiences such as visit by other entities, astral projections, ESP and telekinesis to some point.

I strongly believe there is much to life that we know about and i believe in life elsewhere. That thought always enters my mind when i look the skies and the stars up there.
You know, if this is all there is and we are the only inhabitants of this universe and we are being manipulated, then in that case i feel of us all like a bad mistake and mis fortunate slaves that have poor meaning of life, remaining all lonely and without any bright future, so lonely, so alone .... so empty ...

Some people would say that the TV and the media through movies for example informed us about life on other planets especially through shows like star trek, but it was actually this star trek show that was banned and never completed ( the original series ) because it was labeled as non productive and having a bad influence over the population in the late 60's .

Gene Roddenberry was an extraordinary person and i think he knew exactly where he was going with the show.

[Nyce555]

This is an awsome interview thanks for posting the links and thanks for bringing awareness to this event!!

[wynderer]

This is an awsome interview thanks for posting the links and thanks for bringing awareness to this event!!

Nyce55's post reminded me that i got way off topic w/my posts here -- please forgive me, Gwen

[Gwen]

This is an awsome interview thanks for posting the links and thanks for bringing awareness to this event!!

Nyce55's post reminded me that i got way off topic w/my posts here -- please forgive me, Gwen

Nothing to forgive, silly. You have every right to say what you want and you have some very valid and well thought through comments to make.

The story could all be disinfo, we just don't know. But there are plenty of other similar cases like this - as mentioned earlier, Gary McKinnon, the new Roswell memo which has just surfaced, Vasquez, the governor of Grenada (wow, what a story that is), Dr Filipov, also brought to light on Kevin Smith, and now CSM Norton has disappeared again, are they all disinfo? But there is plenty put on the table here to think about.