I Want To Be Homeless

[Real Intent]

I envy the homeless. They decided to stop swimming against the current. They decided not to get pulled under by the current. They simply stepped out of the stream and onto the river bank. Certainly there are those who didn't choose to be homeless. They still struggle to try and get back into the stream. But, the people who decided to walk the earth, the people who found themselves with "nothing" and found the value in it, they are the people I envy.

They can see that there is a forest which houses the stream! They watch the fish struggle with the futile battle against the current. They have earned this perspective.

The construct of the system would like us to believe that being homeless is unclean, diseased and even dangerous. If everyone decided to step out of the system of course it wouldn't function so this idea has been fostered.

We are lead to believe that what we have created is somehow better. We say, "It's evolution that man is able to create his own environment. It's completely natural for us to take this path." And it may be. But it's also a dead end in that it weakens us. The world we have designed supports us ideally for what we are now. Exactly what we are now. Without the need to adapt. Our chairs are designed to fit a human being's body. We have revolutionized nutrition and what is ideal for a human being to live a long healthy life. The computer I type on is exactly designed for a human hand.

Evolution occurs because of the laws of life. Life changes and grows, or doesn't change and dies. If all these comforts were taken from us, we would be too adapted to comfort to survive.

I don't believe we have evolved into weakness... yet.

There is still time.

This is what I believe the willfully homeless understand. They see that the struggle is fruitless. Why do we struggle to maintain a dead end?

It is obviously in our power to control our evolution. I don't understand why we have this unique power but we do. How will we use it?

~ Real Intent

[crosby]

Real Intent, this has given me much too think about. it is so, we have an absolute power, yet we do not use it. why is that? i think fear stands in our way.
warmest regards, corson

[pharoah21]

Living off the grid. What a beautiful concept.

[king anthony]

I envy the homeless. They decided to stop swimming against the current. They decided not to get pulled under by the current. They simply stepped out of the stream and onto the river bank.

Then let us trade places in life and you will know what it is like to go through life without a safety net. To experience 'those others' and the 'few' with no retreat, no break and no one.

Where is your life now, comfortable? I say, armchair quarterbacks and 'love and light' givers who think suffering is the way to 'enlightenment' - none are more asleep then those who think they are awake.

I say, enjoy your comfort and wish not for that which will burden you; for you may receive what you ask and live remembering your words - and remembering what you once had.

[Real Intent]

Real Intent, this has given me much too think about. it is so, we have an absolute power, yet we do not use it. why is that? i think fear stands in our way.
warmest regards, corson

Fear of pain or loss. Complacency in our comfort. The thought "so far so good" as we delude ourselves that we are flying when we are in fact falling. Perspective can be gained. That is my hope :)

[The Mad spirtualist]

I have always said Grizzly Adams is my hero! To be one with nature and to live free on the earth. It was my favorite show growing up, that and Dukes of Hazard. LOL

[Whitehaze]

I envy the homeless. They decided to stop swimming against the current. They decided not to get pulled under by the current. They simply stepped out of the stream and onto the river bank.

Then let us trade places in life and you will know what it is like to go through life without a safety net. To experience 'those others' and the 'few' with no retreat, no break and no one.

Where is your life now, comfortable? I say, armchair quarterbacks and 'love and light' givers who think suffering is the way to 'enlightenment' - none are more asleep then those who think they are awake.

I say, enjoy your comfort and wish not for that which will burden you; for you may receive what you ask and live remembering your words - and remembering what you once had.

The safety net is an illusion, because there really is none. We are all about 10 minutes away from losing that illusion. These burdens have been piled on us one thing after another, and with increased frequency. Going off the grid would certainly be easier, and it would starve the powers that be to death.

[king anthony]

The safety net is an illusion, because there really is none. We are all about 10 minutes away from losing that illusion. These burdens have been piled on us one thing after another, and with increased frequency. Going off the grid would certainly be easier, and it would starve the powers that be to death.

Thank you for quoting me. I say, these things you speak I know all too well; however, understanding of my words you have not.

[Whitehaze]

The safety net is an illusion, because there really is none. We are all about 10 minutes away from losing that illusion. These burdens have been piled on us one thing after another, and with increased frequency. Going off the grid would certainly be easier, and it would starve the powers that be to death.

Thank you for quoting me. I say, these things you speak I know all too well; however, understanding of my words you have not.


Apologies then Anthony, perhaps I did not. Might I ask you to clear it up for me?

[pharoah21]

I envy the homeless. They decided to stop swimming against the current. They decided not to get pulled under by the current. They simply stepped out of the stream and onto the river bank.

Then let us trade places in life and you will know what it is like to go through life without a safety net. To experience 'those others' and the 'few' with no retreat, no break and no one.

Where is your life now, comfortable? I say, armchair quarterbacks and 'love and light' givers who think suffering is the way to 'enlightenment' - none are more asleep then those who think they are awake.

I say, enjoy your comfort and wish not for that which will burden you; for you may receive what you ask and live remembering your words - and remembering what you once had.

The safety net is an illusion, because there really is none. We are all about 10 minutes away from losing that illusion. These burdens have been piled on us one thing after another, and with increased frequency. Going off the grid would certainly be easier, and it would starve the powers that be to death.

I don't nessasarily believe that going off the grid would be 'easier'. Not at the start anyway. There would be a huge adjustment period for growing your own food, transport, and many other things that we are so accustomed to ( AND NO MORE PROJECT AVALON! ) but once accustomed I believe you would feel at one with the earth, and truly enjoy life in a way that few others can.

[Sierra]

Dude ... I don't know what you think being homeless is like but there is no letting go! It is exponentially more difficult to hold body and soul together!

[Icecold]

I envy the homeless. They decided to stop swimming against the current. They decided not to get pulled under by the current. They simply stepped out of the stream and onto the river bank. Certainly there are those who didn't choose to be homeless. They still struggle to try and get back into the stream. But, the people who decided to walk the earth, the people who found themselves with "nothing" and found the value in it, they are the people I envy.

They can see that there is a forest which houses the stream! They watch the fish struggle with the futile battle against the current. They have earned this perspective.

The construct of the system would like us to believe that being homeless is unclean, diseased and even dangerous. If everyone decided to step out of the system of course it wouldn't function so this idea has been fostered.

We are lead to believe that what we have created is somehow better. We say, "It's evolution that man is able to create his own environment. It's completely natural for us to take this path." And it may be. But it's also a dead end in that it weakens us. The world we have designed supports us ideally for what we are now. Exactly what we are now. Without the need to adapt. Our chairs are designed to fit a human being's body. We have revolutionized nutrition and what is ideal for a human being to live a long healthy life. The computer I type on is exactly designed for a human hand.

Evolution occurs because of the laws of life. Life changes and grows, or doesn't change and dies. If all these comforts were taken from us, we would be too adapted to comfort to survive.

I don't believe we have evolved into weakness... yet.

There is still time.

This is what I believe the willfully homeless understand. They see that the struggle is fruitless. Why do we struggle to maintain a dead end?

It is obviously in our power to control our evolution. I don't understand why we have this unique power but we do. How will we use it?

~ Real Intent

Totally agree RealIntent.

I not only envy them, but I hold them in utmost respect and have done since regularly encountering them back in the early 70s
while working for a building restoration project in Sydney. They had a special kind of dignity and a will which kept them outside the system.

Very determined, philosophical and interesting people. Life for them is fragile, with no safety nets, dangerous and above all free.

I understand KA's point of view, its true. One needs to be committed to go down this road.

[pharoah21]

They are a very interesting lot. I don't believe in being homeless as such, to me that implies begging and struggling for food day to day. Keeping my own house, or even living in a tent, growing my own food and looking after myself. That is much more appealing to me. Still has the posotives of what you're looking for, and you can still eat! However I have seen a video of a yogi indian man who was monitored in hospital going without food for 14 days (something like that) without any implications on his health. But it's definitely another world to live in, that of a homeless man. Why not try it for a bit?

[king anthony]

apologies then anthony, perhaps i did not. Might i ask you to clear it up for me?

I had PM'd you.

[Cottage Rose]

They are a very interesting lot. I don't believe in being homeless as such, to me that implies begging and struggling for food day to day. Keeping my own house, or even living in a tent, growing my own food and looking after myself. That is much more appealing to me. Still has the posotives of what you're looking for, and you can still eat! However I have seen a video of a yogi indian man who was monitored in hospital going without food for 14 days (something like that) without any implications on his health. But it's definitely another world to live in, that of a homeless man. Why not try it for a bit?

Great thread, Real Intent.

I have found that gradually over the last few years I am existing on small amount of food without hunger. Many things I used to eat, I don't want anymore. I think adding coconut oil to my diet progressively altered my metabolism.

[shybastid]

Ummmmm No disrespect.

Homeless or off the grid?

Government sponsor'd and payed for? Or financed on your own dime?

Are you penniless and lost your house and business and can't pay bills?

Do you have children that could use a warm bath and food?

Who pays?

Ya just camping for a summer ?

Whats the climate year round where your going off the grid?

Been there done that.

Never mind the shame of feeling like you can't feed your family without assistance.

Make sure you have skills to get back ON the Grid. (I do and did)

I thank GOD everyday.. OK Higher Powers.
(somethings out there)

Don't get smug.
Don't get greedy.
Don't forget the strangers.
Don't forget staying humble.
Don't ignore your heart.
Don't buy into government lies.
Don't get misslead.
Don't feel sorry for yourself.

Ya want a hug?
Avalon is good people for support.

You want options to help yourself? Read some survival threads here on Avalon.

I think there are plenty of threads on Avalon trying to show us the way.

Bill is just a moderator of the sight..
A good one I might add.

Careful what you wish for for and who is paying.

I believe that if for whatever reason the electric grid shuts down..and why and whoever or whatever causes it..

there will be chaos.

For the unprepared.


A campground in the woods wont cut it.

[pharoah21]

Ummmmm No disrespect.

Homeless or off the grid?

Government sponsor'd and payed for? Or financed on your own dime?

Are you penniless and lost your house and business and can't pay bills?

Do you have children that could use a warm bath and food?

Who pays?

Ya just camping for a summer ?

Whats the climate year round where your going off the grid?

Been there done that.

Never mind the shame of feeling like you can't feed your family without assistance.

Make sure you have skills to get back ON the Grid. (I do and did)

I thank GOD everyday.. OK Higher Powers.
(somethings out there)

Don't get smug.
Don't get greedy.
Don't forget the strangers.
Don't forget staying humble.
Don't ignore your heart.
Don't buy into government lies.
Don't get misslead.
Don't feel sorry for yourself.

Ya want a hug?
Avalon is good people for support.

You want options to help yourself? Read some survival threads here on Avalon.

I think there are plenty of threads on Avalon trying to show us the way.

Bill is just a moderator of the sight..
A good one I might add.

Careful what you wish for for and who is paying.

I believe that if for whatever reason the electric grid shuts down..and why and whoever or whatever causes it..

there will be chaos.

For the unprepared.


A campground in the woods wont cut it.

Good point there. However there are people out there who could live on their own without electricity, gas, or anything like that. You need to be very organised, generally very healthy, smart, dedicated and many other things. That's for living off the grid anyway. To live as a homeless man is completely different though. I wouldn't wish for it, and I believe if there is something that you admire about these homeless people, it's something I'm sure you could incorporate into your own life without the need to take some drastic measures. Remember, they are the way they are because of how their mind works, your mind works however you want it to work.

[kinerkid]

I found myself thinking about how am I going to earn a living the other day. Think about that for a moment. Earn. A. Living. I did think about it and it stopped me in my tracks.

I should be thinking about how I can contribute and what differences I can make to this planet and those around me whilst working on myself. jmho. :)

Thanks for a thoughtful insightful thread.

[Davidallany]

You need a warm country with lots of fruit trees, water and a friend or two. Find a free land to build a shelter that will protect you from the elements, predators, pests and provide some privacy where you can have a quite time for yourself. Taking care of teeth would be a challenge unless you obtain some natural medicine knowledge. There is something called "Siwak" you can get from Muslim shops, it's a natural tooth brush with no need for paste.

[ThePythonicCow]

I am closing this thread for perhaps a half hour, while I read it and decide if some of these posts would be better removed from public view.

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This thread is re-open for business now. It fell into squabbling, and I removed 14 posts from public view.

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P.S. -- Two members were unsubscribed for the above squabbling, one for one day, and the other for two days. It is a violation of forum guidelines to insult fellow members.

[TimelessDimensions]

If you want to be homeless in style, go into the wilderness :)

[passiglight]

excuse me for being obtuse,, but not only is this thread in complete bad taste,,,,,it has the silliest and most pointless thread title i think i have ever come across........

IMO not only should the thread have remained closed but it should be taken down alltogether and the poster should have a real good reality check..

In fact i think i personally feel so strongly about this thread that if issues like this are going to be allowed to be tendered in such a mindless and demeaning manner then i think i will consider taking my status elsewhere...

THERE ARE INNOCENTS ALL OVER THIS PLANET THAT THIS THREAD IS COMPLETELY DEMEANING TOWARDS AND I THINK SOME IN HERE SHOULD GO TAKE A LONG HARD LOOK IN THE MIRROR,,,,,,

AND may i also suggest the poster of this thread gets off his/her latent backside and before making such a bewildering and idle comment,,, put on a pair of shoes,,,

while i go off to decide whether project avalon is actually a place where i should be a member

[SKAWF]

i think you need to draw a few distinctions.

there is a difference between, living off the grid, travelling, giving up attachment to possesions, and being homeless.
massive factors are climate, and location, and also if you're on your own, or have people to look after.

if you dont mind me saying, i reckon you have an 'on the outside looking in' view of 'homelessness'.
ive been homeless myself once or twice, and served food in a soup kitchen years later.
its not pretty at all.
i reckon most people are two baths away from being a tramp.
in the winter its freezing cold.
its easy to think of living off the grid, or being homeless, when you're lying in your nice warm bed.
some things about the idea of it are very good. but they are surounded by a 101 practical realities that few stop to consider.
try camping in your garden for a month, without going back to the house.

steve

[Icecold]

Tsk tsk. :rolleyes:

I missed it.

OK I can see one member is missing. :couch2:

In Australia we have a website dedicated to the homeless....why?

We have a lot of homeless people in the 'lucky country'.

http://www.homeless.org.au/images/d-steve.jpg

http://www.homeless.org.au/


Beyond the Homeless Myth

People who don't have shelter are houseless - not homeless! Homelessness has nothing to do with a lack of shelter.

Define Homeless: 'An inadequate experience of connectedness with family and or community,' (Dominic Mapstone). This fact is now recognized by Habitat, the United Nations Human Settlements Programme.

If the problem was a lack of shelters for the homeless why aren't all the homeless shelter always full? During winter they are more busy but more shelters won't solve the problem.

So often on the street I've seen people shake a set of keys with a big smile on their face saying 'I've got a place.' But often they end up spending most of their time on the streets anyway because they just don't know anyone else other than other homeless people and an empty room is very lonely.

Homelessness is about a lack of connectedness. Belonging somewhere is about belonging with other people. Like belonging to a family or local community.

The largest social demographic in first world countries that experiences homelessness are actually elderly people who are houseful. Quite often their spouse has died and their children live at a distance. They feel the same loneliness and abandonment as the person living on the street.

People in institutions including prisons or juvenile justice centres often feel the same loneliness or more accurately experience homelessness as the only people they have contact with other than the other 'homeless' inmates are people paid to be a part of their life. These people are the equivalent of people who work in soup kitchens or shelters on the streets.

Imagine that, only having contact with people who are paid to have contact with you! This is chronic homelessness

Picture of Homeless People from Around the World....

http://www.homeless.org.au/pictures/


Australia Homeless Statistics

The 2001 Population Census data:

99,900 houseless people in Australia (105,304 in 1996)
54% adults over 24 years of age
10% under the age of 12 years
36% young people between 12 and 24 years
42% of houseless people were female
58% were single (58,116)
19% were couples (18,840)
23% were families (22,944 people or 6,745 families


Most common reasons for houselessness (SAAP survey):

Domestic and family violence (22%)
Eviction/previous accommodation ended (11%)
Relationship/family breakdown (11%)
Usual accommodation unavailable (11%)
Financial Difficulty (10%)


Canada Homeless Statistics

According to the 2001 census, the following occupancy rates in Canadian shelters (meaning homeless shelters, halfway houses and emergency lodgings for abused spouses and their children) on one day in March were reported as:

Canada 14,145 (total)
Ontario 6,100
Quebec 3,365
Alberta 1,935
British Columbia 1,085
Manitoba 885
New Brunswick 265
Saskatchewan 255
Nova Scotia 165
Newfoundland and Labrador 45
Northwest Territories 20
Yukon Territory 15
Prince Edward Island 5
Nunavut 5


United Kingdom Homeless Statistics

If you can work out what the situation is in the UK, please let us know. Their stats are smoke and mirrors and completely unbelievable in my opinion. Either they don't know (most likely), or don't want to say in plain statistics, or I'm just not getting it.

United States Homeless Statistics

From the National Coalition for the Homeless: Poverty, Urban Institute and specifically the National Survey of Homeless Assistance Providers, draw their estimates from a study of service providers across the country at two different times of the year in 1996.

They found that, on a given night in October, 444,000 people (in 346,000 households) experienced homelessness - which translates to 6.3% of the population of people living in poverty. On a given night in February, 842,000 (in 637,000 households) experienced homelessness - which translates to almost 10% of the population of people living in poverty.

Converting these estimates into an annual projection, the numbers that emerge are 2.3 million people (based on the October estimate) and 3.5 million people (based on the February estimate).This translates to approximately 1% of the U.S. population experiencing homelessness each year, 38% (October) to 39% (February) of them being children (Urban Institute 2000).

It is also important to note that this study was based on a national survey of service providers. Since not all people experiencing homelessness utilize service providers, the actual numbers of people experiencing homelessness are likely higher than those found in the study, Thus, we are estimating on the high end of the study's numbers: 3.5 million people, 39% of which are children(Urban Institute 2000).

[Realeyes]

United Kingdom Homeless Statistics

If you can work out what the situation is in the UK, please let us know. Their stats are smoke and mirrors and completely unbelievable in my opinion. Either they don't know (most likely), or don't want to say in plain statistics, or I'm just not getting it.



I don't know the figures for the homeless in the UK, but know that at night in London officials go around hosing cold water on the sleeping homeless to get them off the streets - they've been doing this for several years now to 'clean' the streets up for the Olympics 2012.
The homeless I have spoken to in London, around October when the weather gets cold, will intentionally do a crime that will give them a bed in prison for the winter months!
They said on the main news last month that the government wanted to shut down the 'soup kitchens' as those collecting soup each night were 'pretending' to be homeless!?! There is no evidence that this is the case as St James' surveyed all who collected their soup.
I had a bought of being homeless when I was 16; pretty scarey for a young girl with nowhere safe to rest my head. This was back in 1984, I had no help from any authority - no money for food and couldn't get a job because I had no fixed abode. I wouldn't wish that life on anyone. Thankfully I ended up in a rat infested bedsit/squat sharing a small room with 5 people and three dogs that gave me an address to get a job and move out of this situation.
There doesn't seem to be much compassion as I have seen it here in the UK for the homeless; most people walk by as if they do not exist. Even my so called spiritual friends look the other way when I engage with the homeless and find it embarrassing! The 'Big Issue' magazine helps many homeless here - this is one of the good intents to help those living on the streets.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

This subject I do know a lot about. Working on the streets for over 24 years. Some of my good friends are homeless. Yes it's rough as hell for those who started traveling and ended up begging with some drug addiction. Wonderful for those who make a good living and travel from city to city doing entertainment or selling stuff. You get street traders that make a fortune just moving from town to town.
I know of a performer who is working everyday in Covent Garden in London and he owns land and properties and dresses like he's poor as. He's a self made millionaire. Yet he'll still go out and do shows in the rain. Yes he's a bit sick with money as he's evidently terrified of losing any.

Then you get the !?$!?$!?$!?$ty side to it. Yes it's ugly and the needle is to blame in most cases. Begging and stinky and basically just an eyesore. They could easily start selling the big issue but it's a choice thing for most. The ones who want to really get off the streets will do it. Many get themselves a pad and settle down and soon become bored and want that everyday survival fight back.

This is of course London I'm talking about. When you hit China and Taiwan then it's a whole different story as you'll see legless bodies on a cart with wheels and they nudge a money bowl with them with sad music playing. These are people that screwed up with the mafias and have been punished in this way. The mafia will pick them all up at night and fling them into a van and take all the money they made. I have seen this with my own eyes.

Japanese homeless tend to all stick to one area in Osaka called Nishinari and they are just lost souls who lost everything and have given up. They'll keep a certain place clean and never beg. Many are alcoholics but they don't pester you as they have just simply given up.

I was homeless for years but I hanged around with mates and stayed at friends houses and very rarely ever had to sleep rough. Once I learned how to entertain on the streets I was out of that mess.

Then you have the caravaners.. people who just live a life of freedom. Some are screwed up and do a lot of crime to survive but many are seriously peace loving individuals that simply don't want much out of life except to simply be out of the game.

It's a big world and homeless has many meanings but the ones that really need the help to stand up again and just want normal lives but have been bullied into just sitting in a corner alone. They are the ones that really need help. The ones that don't even touch drugs and don't drink and are simply in a mess.

Choosing to make yourself homeless is fine. You can live from hotels and do work on the internet and still be classed as homeless. In this day and age homeless can mean many scenarios.

I have helped hundreds of people find a way out of begging. But if they are drug users then I tend to ignore them as I have had too many dramas with them and they seem to have a permanent elastic band tethered to the street life. With good reason. They get itchy feet and bored. It becomes a lifestyle that suits them.

You can take the person of the street but you can't take the street out of the person.

Of course this is just my 2 cents from what I have seen whilst working side by side with these people and it's a huge subject because some people should never have been placed in that situation in the first place. For some it's a living nightmare and they've just got used to it. I guess it really does test a person when they become homeless and without family help it can be very dangerous.

Jumping on a bandwagon of experienced travelers can be a dream. But freedom comes at a price. If you can handle it.

Interesting thread, but in this day and age there are still many ways for you to get out of the game without becoming the stereotype
homeless beggar.

Quickly.. After a show in London on the street a rich looking gentleman came to me and said " this is great all you guys doing stuff and making money, it's fantastic, I love it " in which I replied " so you'd except what I was doing if I was your son " he paused .. laughed and then said " good point that and yes I have to admit I'd be horrified. He gave me
20 quid and said " but I'd be proud you could hold your own "


Ski-

[Maria Stade]

Peace pilgrim !

My mind wanderd to this remarkable woman !

Sharing this now and I will write some in this thread later !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ2vqPqknfs&feature=relmfu


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSX1kvLwzhE&feature=relmfu

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I envy the homeless. They decided to stop swimming against the current. They decided not to get pulled under by the current. They simply stepped out of the stream and onto the river bank. Certainly there are those who didn't choose to be homeless. They still struggle to try and get back into the stream. But, the people who decided to walk the earth, the people who found themselves with "nothing" and found the value in it, they are the people I envy.

They can see that there is a forest which houses the stream! They watch the fish struggle with the futile battle against the current. They have earned this perspective.

The construct of the system would like us to believe that being homeless is unclean, diseased and even dangerous. If everyone decided to step out of the system of course it wouldn't function so this idea has been fostered.

We are lead to believe that what we have created is somehow better. We say, "It's evolution that man is able to create his own environment. It's completely natural for us to take this path." And it may be. But it's also a dead end in that it weakens us. The world we have designed supports us ideally for what we are now. Exactly what we are now. Without the need to adapt. Our chairs are designed to fit a human being's body. We have revolutionized nutrition and what is ideal for a human being to live a long healthy life. The computer I type on is exactly designed for a human hand.

Evolution occurs because of the laws of life. Life changes and grows, or doesn't change and dies. If all these comforts were taken from us, we would be too adapted to comfort to survive.

I don't believe we have evolved into weakness... yet.

There is still time.

This is what I believe the willfully homeless understand. They see that the struggle is fruitless. Why do we struggle to maintain a dead end?

It is obviously in our power to control our evolution. I don't understand why we have this unique power but we do. How will we use it?

~ Real Intent

I have decided to grant your wish.
I have a PayPal account, every time you get some money just deposit into my PayPal account and you will soon be homeless.
Just call me the great benevolent one......:)

Hurritt

[Sierra]

Carmody,

It has always seemed to me the loneliness would be the worst aspect. I think I'd howl like a dog after awhile ...

[Victoria Tintagel]

Real Intent: We are lead to believe that what we have created is somehow better. We say, "It's evolution that man is able to create his own environment. It's completely natural for us to take this path." And it may be. But it's also a dead end in that it weakens us. The world we have designed supports us ideally for what we are now. Exactly what we are now. Without the need to adapt. Our chairs are designed to fit a human being's body. We have revolutionized nutrition and what is ideal for a human being to live a long healthy life. The computer I type on is exactly designed for a human hand.

Evolution occurs because of the laws of life. Life changes and grows, or doesn't change and dies. If all these comforts were taken from us, we would be too adapted to comfort to survive. I don't believe we have evolved into weakness... yet. There is still time.
This is what I believe the willfully homeless understand. They see that the struggle is fruitless. Why do we struggle to maintain a dead end?
It is obviously in our power to control our evolution. I don't understand why we have this unique power but we do. How will we use it?

Thanks Real Intent, for this interesting thread! Why do we struggle to maintain a dead end? Well.... while living in our comfort zone...the chair that fits our body.....we don't find the need to awake and change. I believe that as long as "we" keep talking about "we" there certainly is and will be a dead end :) There's no fruitful thinking in this "we" but there is in "Ï", I truly believe, because you have the power to change and create, as I do. When I know the direction something evolves in and I am capable to change that direction, then I will do that, when things (seem to) go wrong. And I believe WE.... I... YOU....can change history, the present and the future.... by our intention and the power of our love. And maybe soon, lots of unwillfully homeless people wander about on this planet, look at Haiti and Japan.

I am interested in this thread, because my recent thread "Chapter 13 from The Quest by Tom Brown jr. Wilderness mind" relates to this one. It's about intentionally leaving the comfort zone of the Wilderness life and teach your Vision in modern society. To build a future for our kids.
The first impression I got from this thread is that an Avalonean longed to be homeless. And I resonate with that longing....ha ha.
I long to be without possessions, to be free, even without money: the need to earn a living. I have thought, at intervals, about leaving home, with a small bag, even on horse back, walking this planet's meadows and footpaths and knock on a door in the evening, offering a story for a meal and a bed. Who knows I decide to really start such a journey and just see where it brings me around this planet, in a warm climate :)
The thought of being hungry or cold, sick or wounded, keeps me from this decision, I guess that's also a comfort zone I may learn to leave :)
Be in grace, Victoria Tintagel

[Real Intent]

I see that homeless was the wrong word to use. I don't actually want to be homeless. I was using the homeless as an example (the only example left aside from neolithic peoples) of a group that is not operating within a fatally flawed system. A system that, in order to perpetuate itself, has had to force out any other model. I only envy that perspective. The perspective apart from the system currently in place. I also wanted to point out that we have this unique power to control our own evolution and that perhaps we could harness that power. And yes, I am ascribing more philosophical sophistication to "the homeless" than one would necessarily encounter on a day to day basis, in order to more clearly illustrate my thinking.

[Lord Sidious]

I see that homeless was the wrong word to use. I don't actually want to be homeless. I was using the homeless as an example (the only example left aside from neolithic peoples) of a group that is not operating within a fatally flawed system. A system that, in order to perpetuate itself, has had to force out any other model. I only envy that perspective. The perspective apart from the system currently in place. I also wanted to point out that we have this unique power to control our own evolution and that perhaps we could harness that power. And yes, I am ascribing more philosophical sophistication to "the homeless" than one would necessarily encounter on a day to day basis, in order to more clearly illustrate my thinking.

I hate it when I post something that isn't what I meant to post and then it gets taken the wrong way.
That is one of the problems with text.

[Cottage Rose]

Greetings

I think I understood, Real Intent. We are playing with the idea of starting with a clean slate....throwing away everything that isn't working. What do we have left? What is valuable to keep? Most of us would be happier with less. And, you have observed this freedom in those who have stepped away from the rat race.

In response to my previous post pertaining to simplifying diet. dejavu PM'd with a question about coconut oil and I thought I would post my response here in case anyone else is interested in this subject:

I have forgotten many of the details now and mostly remember my personal experience. But, tropical oils are unique. They are dietary sources of medium chan fatty acids (MCFA). Breast milk is an MCFA. There are very few others. Fats metabolize differently according to the size of the molecule. Most fats are long chain fatty acids. Long chains take longer to metabolize and store as fat. Medium chains metabolize quicker and are used for energy, instead of storing as fat. Coconut oil boosts the metabolism for 24 hours. It is a natural anti-microbial , anti-fungal, anti-parasitic (lauric acid). It is used in iv solutions given to premature babies and Aids patients in the hospital. It has many healing properties and builds up the immune system.

Long chain fats oxidize quickly and are quickly become rancid after opening. Before latex, long chain seed oils were used in paint. They oxidize and become dry quickly if you spead them on a surface. Coconut does not dry up. It is solid below 76 degrees and has a 2 year shelf life.

2-3 tablespoons a day are reccommended for metabolism and health benefits. I find it easiest to take my dose in a few oatmeal/coconut cookies (made with stevia) each morning. As I said in my previous post, this regime keeps me eating less without hunger.

It is also great for cosmetic purposes. A few drops of geranium and clary sage essential oils mixed with coconut oil in a jar make a wonderful facial moisturizer.

I recommend the book: The Coconut Oil Miracle by Bruce Fife for details.

Real Intent, I had a problem with members nit-picking my choice of words in the "Plea To Atticus" title. I didn't see what happened here, but I think it might have been the same syndrome.

[hedigoto]

I envy the homeless. They decided to stop swimming against the current. They decided not to get pulled under by the current. They simply stepped out of the stream and onto the river bank. Certainly there are those who didn't choose to be homeless. They still struggle to try and get back into the stream. But, the people who decided to walk the earth, the people who found themselves with "nothing" and found the value in it, they are the people I envy.

I have always tought there is nothing wrong on being POOR, one can find great virtue in living a modest life; the problem is when people live in MISERY, thats a very different story.

Living a modest life sets the ground to develop your spiritual and human values, helps the person to deepen on philosophy, to seek the truth; instead of running thru life like a maniac, not even knowing where the person is going, just that he has to run like everyone else.

But careful not to fall in misery, wich closes the eyes of the spirit, since the lack of the basic necessities blocks one's mind and spirit to search and find truth and justice (e.g. the lack of food to survive).

Misery can also hit a materially rich person (rich in the way our current society undertands it) the person may end up being an slave of his own money and posessions, becoming a trully miserable person.

Misery may also affect a poor person, a person of humble means, if the person craves all his life for the money he does not have, ending up living a miserable life, instead of taking advantage of the fertile ground he lives on for his mind and spirit to flourish.

I have always admired the life of Diogens of Sinope (412-323 B.C.) a greek philosopher who decided to live a poor life, with no home, no posessions, he taught that was the way to find the truth, one ocassion other philosophers challenged him, told him that he had that philosophy out of envy, because he couldn't make any money, he took the challenge, began to sell fish oil, he came out to be such a great merchant that he became very rich, then when he proved that making money was not a big deal, he gave all his money away and came back to the life he chosen, a materially poor life, with no material posessions whatsoever, but with a mind and spirit so rich that couldn't be bought with money.

There is a hollywood movie titled "Into the wild", it was on cinemas some 3 or 4 years ago, about a young man who chose to leave all posessions and go "into the wild" to live his life to the fullest, if you haven't seen it, I think you will like it, its based on the true story of the main character.

[TigerLilly]

Sadly society judges people by their homes, cars, posessions. We are brainwashed to strive for bigger and better, and there in lies the trap. Our posessions become a huge weight around our shoulders. The home we dreampt of becomes the mortgage we cannot pay unless we are tied to the job we hate and so on and so on.
Yes I envy those who have broken free of this, walked away, reconnected with nature, stepped out of the box!

[passiglight]

Ahh yes "homeless"

" i want to be homeless"

Don't you want to live in a ghetto next to the **** and piss ?

with your children playing amongst the defecation you and your neighbours left last night ???

living on rubbish ?

nothing to wipe your ass let alone your nose with other than your hand ?

dying of simple medical conditions that residents in other parts of the world take for granted

one doesn't have to have much imagination to think of the atrocities done on a daily basis to anyone or thing that has lesser strength than another living in these conditions

how many billions are living like this ??

"I was using the homeless as an example (the only example left aside from neolithic peoples) of a group that is not operating within a fatally flawed system. A system that, in order to perpetuate itself, has had to force out any other model. I only envy that perspective."

Really ??

tell me what does america, canada, australia, have to do with homeless people ?

such a small number of those peoples are homeless when compared to the multitude of alleged fellow human beings from many parts of this planet that have if they are lucky, (please note the sardonic overtone here) some rusty galvanised sheets and some beat up old palletts that the average westerner would not even recognise as potential for a dog kennel to call a home...

homeless !!!

and you have the gaul to ascribe philosophical sophistication to "the homeless" scenario.......

do you know ??

[hedigoto]

Ahh yes "homeless"

" i want to be homeless"

Don't you want to live in a ghetto next to the **** and piss ?

with your children playing amongst the defecation you and your neighbours left last night ???

living on rubbish ?

nothing to wipe your ass let alone your nose with other than your hand ?

dying of simple medical conditions that residents in other parts of the world take for granted

one doesn't have to have much imagination to think of the atrocities done on a daily basis to anyone or thing that has lesser strength than another living in these conditions

how many billions are living like this ??

"I was using the homeless as an example (the only example left aside from neolithic peoples) of a group that is not operating within a fatally flawed system. A system that, in order to perpetuate itself, has had to force out any other model. I only envy that perspective."

Really ??

tell me what does america, canada, australia, have to do with homeless people ?

such a small number of those peoples are homeless when compared to the multitude of alleged fellow human beings from many parts of this planet that have if they are lucky, (please note the sardonic overtone here) some rusty galvanised sheets and some beat up old palletts that the average westerner would not even recognise as potential for a dog kennel to call a home...

homeless !!!

and you have the gaul to ascribe philosophical sophistication to "the homeless" scenario.......

do you know ??

I agree with you passiglight, what you talk about is misery, being homeless can't do anybody any good, having a decent home is a basic human right and a basic human necessity.

Even tough, I think Real Intent's thread touches an important point for meditation. In my country there's millions of people who are materally poor, I personally know many, many, poor people, who live with dignity, higiene, honesty, love, among other important values, who live a happy and simple life and give the rest of us important lessons in life.

Unfortunatelly, in this same country, I know many people, and there are millions in fact, who live in misery, and that's no trip to the zoo, that's a mayor injustice and insult in a country that according to forbes magazzine has the richest man in the world.

[Davidallany]

I hate it when I post something that isn't what I meant to post and then it gets taken the wrong way.
That is one of the problems with text
I can certainly attest to that, Lord.

[sjkted]

I've met many people who embody this type of lifestyle in RV (caravan in UK) parks. They IMO have the best of both worlds as they've left the grid so to speak but still have a home so long as they can afford to keep filling it up with gas and maintaining it which really isn't that bad if it's your only expense. Many of them may be homeless in that they don't have a fixed address, but I've met quite a few who own property, businesses, etc. and have money but choose to live in their coach 11 out of 12 months of the year.

--sjkted

[Cottage Rose]

I've met many people who embody this type of lifestyle in RV (caravan in UK) parks. They IMO have the best of both worlds as they've left the grid so to speak but still have a home so long as they can afford to keep filling it up with gas and maintaining it which really isn't that bad if it's your only expense. Many of them may be homeless in that they don't have a fixed address, but I've met quite a few who own property, businesses, etc. and have money but choose to live in their coach 11 out of 12 months of the year.

--sjkted

I have a small RV. Wonderful times can be had living simply in State Parks. So quiet, off grid. People are relaxed there.

North Padre Island in Texas used to be a beautiful National Seashore. I have been going to that beach for 45 years. Off shore drilling (Haliburton) has gradually ruined the area.

In the 60's the clean white beaches were brimming with sand dollars and beautiful shells. The water was crystal clear and the salty sea breeze was fragrant.

Gradually the sand dollars and shells disappeared. Then, tar balls started appearing. Then, some kind of funky red seaweed released from the off shore rigs continually washes up on the shore, stinky and full of refuse from the rigs. Instead of the peaceful, pleasant days on the beach I used to know, big loud trucks with front shovel things constantly go up and down the beach to push the stinky red seaweed and trash into piles. Then dumptrucks come to pick it up and haul it away. By the time their noise and aroma polution is over, the day is nearly done.

The last time I went there, large sea turtles were walking up on the shore and just sort of committing suicide. There were signs on the beach with a number to call. If you saw a turtle the authorities would pick them up to try to save them. No one understood why they were doing this. But, just a few days later the Big Gulf Oil Spill happened. I am beginning to wonder if aquatic life has a different frame of reference for time and they just feel things in advance.

Anyway, in 40 years Haliburton has ruined a beautiful pristine beach. Very, very sad.

[Real Intent]

passiglight,
I have read and considered your post carefully. I looked back through your other posts to see what it was I had said that would have given reason for the offense taken. I came across learninglight’s Good Bye thread. I understand a little more clearly why you were affronted by my thread. I can see how the title could be offensive to some and using the homeless as an example (of which you are right, I have no personal experience, only my husband‘s account) can be seen as insensitive. I apologize deeply for inadvertently offering this offense. I have much to learn and I promise to learn from this. I would like this thread to be one in which we discuss the possibilities of controlling our own evolution as a species.
My sincerest apologies.
Be Well
~RealIntent

[Lord Sidious]

I've met many people who embody this type of lifestyle in RV (caravan in UK) parks. They IMO have the best of both worlds as they've left the grid so to speak but still have a home so long as they can afford to keep filling it up with gas and maintaining it which really isn't that bad if it's your only expense. Many of them may be homeless in that they don't have a fixed address, but I've met quite a few who own property, businesses, etc. and have money but choose to live in their coach 11 out of 12 months of the year.

--sjkted

I have a small RV. Wonderful times can be had living simply in State Parks. So quiet, off grid. People are relaxed there.

North Padre Island in Texas used to be a beautiful National Seashore. I have been going to that beach for 45 years. Off shore drilling (Haliburton) has gradually ruined the area.

In the 60's the clean white beaches were brimming with sand dollars and beautiful shells. The water was crystal clear and the salty sea breeze was fragrant.

Gradually the sand dollars and shells disappeared. Then, tar balls started appearing. Then, some kind of funky red seaweed released from the off shore rigs continually washes up on the shore, stinky and full of refuse from the rigs. Instead of the peaceful, pleasant days on the beach I used to know, big loud trucks with front shovel things constantly go up and down the beach to push the stinky red seaweed and trash into piles. Then dumptrucks come to pick it up and haul it away. By the time their noise and aroma polution is over, the day is nearly done.

The last time I went there, large sea turtles were walking up on the shore and just sort of committing suicide. There were signs on the beach with a number to call. If you saw a turtle the authorities would pick them up to try to save them. No one understood why they were doing this. But, just a few days later the Big Gulf Oil Spill happened. I am beginning to wonder if aquatic life has a different frame of reference for time and they just feel things in advance.

Anyway, in 40 years Haliburton has ruined a beautiful pristine beach. Very, very sad.

I would call it criminal.
And knowing about the law of attraction and the rule of three, I would think there will be a lot of bad karma from it.

[Donna O]

Greetings

In response to my previous post pertaining to simplifying diet. dejavu PM'd with a question about coconut oil and I thought I would post my response here in case anyone else is interested in this subject:

I have forgotten many of the details now and mostly remember my personal experience. But, tropical oils are unique. They are dietary sources of medium chan fatty acids (MCFA). Breast milk is an MCFA. There are very few others. Fats metabolize differently according to the size of the molecule. Most fats are long chain fatty acids. Long chains take longer to metabolize and store as fat. Medium chains metabolize quicker and are used for energy, instead of storing as fat. Coconut oil boosts the metabolism for 24 hours. It is a natural anti-microbial , anti-fungal, anti-parasitic (lauric acid). It is used in iv solutions given to premature babies and Aids patients in the hospital. It has many healing properties and builds up the immune system.

Long chain fats oxidize quickly and are quickly become rancid after opening. Before latex, long chain seed oils were used in paint. They oxidize and become dry quickly if you spead them on a surface. Coconut does not dry up. It is solid below 76 degrees and has a 2 year shelf life.

2-3 tablespoons a day are reccommended for metabolism and health benefits. I find it easiest to take my dose in a few oatmeal/coconut cookies (made with stevia) each morning. As I said in my previous post, this regime keeps me eating less without hunger.

It is also great for cosmetic purposes. A few drops of geranium and clary sage essential oils mixed with coconut oil in a jar make a wonderful facial moisturizer.

I recommend the book: The Coconut Oil Miracle by Bruce Fife for details.

Cottage thank you so much for this information. I have linked an article that EVERYONE should read, in fact this subject deserves it's own thread which I may do if Cottage doesn't. In the article it not only backs up Cottage's claim about coconut oil with good research but it explains how the fats we use as a general rule in our everyday lives is actually RANCID! Read the article...

http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/nutrition/coconut.htm

[jorr lundstrom]

Thank you for this thread Real Intent. For many years I thought home was a place filled with

things and people. Then I was annihilated by life. When I finally landed on my feet again I

realized that home was in my own self, a state of consiousness or rather a position within

consiousness. And I realized that I had no ties to my belongings anymore. Today we live off the grid

in a small cottage 9X3 meter(36X 12 feet) and have more space than we need. We can pack up food,

medicine, tools, clothes, tent and a small stove with funnel in less than half an hour and head for the

highlands. We have to build some kind of hut to stay alive through the winter, it gets very cold in Sweden.

We have so called homeless people here too, but only in the cities and we avoid cities as we dont like the

vibrations in cities. But I think living as a homeless in a city, thou hard can be as rewarding as any other kind of life,

probaly more so than many other ways of living.:boom:

[DeDukshyn]

I chose to be carless a few years ago. I lived about 3 years without a car, mostly just to prove to myself I didn't need one and had no attachments to a vehicle. After 3 years, of proving it and feeling really good about the whole thing someone gave me a vehicle for free - in excellent condition - fully loaded. I happily accepted it as a gift to me from the universe for releasing myself from the attachment of a vehicle. I now know I could lose my car in a instant, and I will be able to cope 100% without doubt or worry. The universe works for you when you work for your higher self ;)

[Cottage Rose]

Thank you for this thread Real Intent. For many years I thought home was a place filled with

things and people. Then I was annihilated by life. When I finally landed on my feet again I

realized that home was in my own self, a state of consiousness or rather a position within

consiousness. And I realized that I had no ties to my belongings anymore. Today we live off the grid

in a small cottage 9X3 meter(36X 12 feet) and have more space than we need. We can pack up food,

medicine, tools, clothes, tent and a small stove with funnel in less than half an hour and head for the

highlands. We have to build some kind of hut to stay alive through the winter, it gets very cold in Sweden.

We have so called homeless people here too, but only in the cities and we avoid cities as we dont like the

vibrations in cities. But I think living as a homeless in a city, thou hard can be as rewarding as any other kind of life,

probaly more so than many other ways of living.:boom:

Your life sounds adventurous and romantic, Jorr. Small homes can be so cozy.

At times in my life when I lived in a large house, I always thought, "Why am I spending all my time worrying about decorating and keeping up all these rooms when I really don't need them?" Rooms specifically used for entertaining yuppie neighbors.... entertainment episodes that ultimately revealed barriers to real communication or possible understanding. Attempts to socialize with those in my particular suburban area at that time always degraded into some type of strange ego drama, passion play, competitive one-upsmanship episode, or general waste of time.

I am reminded of my Aunt. After 50 plus years of marriage, when her long awaited retirement arrived, she moved to a upscale condominium in her big city. My uncle always dreamed of retiring to some peacful, quiet, secluded local. My aunt refused to live far away from her doctor (she had no major health issues). By this time, she was not on good terms with her children who lived far away. She had no friends or relatives who visited. But, when the occasion arrived to decorate her new abode, instead of designing a cozy refuge for two, she insisted on a formal living room for her "guests". She nixed the large, plush recliner my uncle selected, telling him he knew nothing about decorating. Ultimately, my uncle had no place in his retirement home to get comfortable. He spent his days watching television from a comfortable chair in a crowded bedroom, while my aunt "enjoyed" the elegance of her formal living room alone. Some people never get over the vanity of believing the purpose of a home is to impress others. Very, very sad.

Your situation is a fortunate one. :cool2:

[jorr lundstrom]

Rose. We both know we are at the top of the world. Close cozy and functional.

Big houses are for small people.:kiss:

[Davidallany]

This thread is great. Why would anyone want to work for or help the bank?

[Real Intent]

This thread is great. Why would anyone want to work for or help the bank?

Great question! Suppose everyone stopped giving value to the monetary system at all. Its one way to bring it all down. But, what do we put in place instead? Is food a commodity to be traded or is it a right? Is money useful in valuing trade amongst communities and useless among the individuals of the community who could share everything freely? If we decide to change the current structure, what are our reasons for doing so? Are we ready to take responsibility for the evolutionary direction of our species? Are we willing to create the needed discomfort for growth of the whole?Just some of the questions I have been pondering. :)

[kinerkid]

Are we ready to take responsibility for the evolutionary direction of our species? Are we willing to create the needed discomfort for growth of the whole?Just some of the questions I have been pondering. :)

Yes! on my part anyway. IMO we are the very ones who need to take on this responsibility. And if we plan well, my hope is we can ease the discomfort for as many as possible.

[Davidallany]

Great question! Suppose everyone stopped giving value to the monetary system at all. Its one way to bring it all down. But, what do we put in place instead?
The Venus project answer is a Resources based economy where no one has to work for living. All will have the basic needs fulfilled. Please refer to the Venus project on youtube.

[Sierra]

passiglight,
I have read and considered your post carefully. I looked back through your other posts to see what it was I had said that would have given reason for the offense taken. I came across learninglight’s Good Bye thread. I understand a little more clearly why you were affronted by my thread. I can see how the title could be offensive to some and using the homeless as an example (of which you are right, I have no personal experience, only my husband‘s account) can be seen as insensitive. I apologize deeply for inadvertently offering this offense. I have much to learn and I promise to learn from this. I would like this thread to be one in which we discuss the possibilities of controlling our own evolution as a species.
My sincerest apologies.
Be Well
~RealIntent

Hi RealIntent :)

I really think this thread got a little discombobulated by the word homeless as a choice a la Jorr or homeless as an involuntary condition of misery and there is no need to apologize ANYMORE. We get it now what page you were on and I think a lot of us agree with you and would LOVE to live a life of simplicity and peace unhooked from the horrid system we're in.

I know I would lol

Sierra :wave:

[W.C.]

Involuntary... that reminds me of something I read once. A few drunks were passing by a homeless man and mockingly asked, 'why are you homeless?' To which the homeless man replied, 'the question is, why the f*** do you need homes?'

I quite enjoyed it.

[Lord Sidious]

This thread is great. Why would anyone want to work for or help the bank?

Us alive now have obligations to defeat this usury/slavery system for those yet unborn and/or too young to defeat this themselves.
Our obligations are to leave this place in a better shape than we found it.

[unlockingyourhorizon]

Take a lesson from the homeless.Step out into the open air as i do everyday and walk not drive. Meet someone new and expand what you currently understand. The colors of our humanity is simply the different possitions around the world we adapted to. If you take away comfort you are left open minded and ready to act. Do you not all feel as if we are all heading the wrong direction in this life? We watch the news to be TOLD what is happening around our world and close to home: but yet you are sitting on a computer that is connected to the internet which is far more capable of finding the truth in life. Quit listening to what is right and find out for yourselves what you were ment to do in this life. We will not be among this earth forever so live your life to the fullest and invest your time in things that meet your personal interests and understandings.

[Arrowwind]

I was homeless for a period in my life.
A woman, alone, on the road of experience.

This is what I found.

It became so much clearer on how I create my reality.
Results were almost instantaneous.

But my ability was limited as I had to keep recreating the mundane every day.
a place to sleep
a meal to eat
a friend to talk to
a place to go

I found it extremely limited

so I went about creating a home again.

Within my home my ability to create expanded expoentially
I could focus on so much more
as well as having to take responsibility for so much more
and eventually for more for others, to help them along their way,
who in turn go about helping to create further, realites for others
as they endeavor to create their world, their home, their reality

At one point in my life I thought homelessnees might have something to do with freedom
but like that song goes
I found out that "freedoms just another word for nothing left to loose
and nothing and worth nothing but its free"

Eventually I found out the freedom comes with choice
and the more choice you have the more freedom you have
and the more choice comes from economic stability
a place in the world to set as your stage
from which energy cycles into and you give it your direction
as it it flies back out into the creative pool of the world
and more choice comes from developing your gift to the world
and developing ways to extend that work out to those around you,
and more choice comes from greather depth in connectedness
to people, to work, to purpose, to all my aspects of creativity

[sjkted]

The Venus project answer is a Resources based economy where no one has to work for living. All will have the basic needs fulfilled. Please refer to the Venus project on youtube.


Yes, y'all gotta see it. The machines are going to serve us and there will be no money or property ownership and dem big computers be decidin' what we need and how to distribute it. And, ain't nobody gonna be the big boss man, 'xcept for them big wise AI computers. Yessir, the Venus Projects for me and my kin.

Blessings,

--sjkted

[learninglight]

passiglight,
I have read and considered your post carefully. I looked back through your other posts to see what it was I had said that would have given reason for the offense taken. I came across learninglight’s Good Bye thread. I understand a little more clearly why you were affronted by my thread. I can see how the title could be offensive to some and using the homeless as an example (of which you are right, I have no personal experience, only my husband‘s account) can be seen as insensitive. I apologize deeply for inadvertently offering this offense. I have much to learn and I promise to learn from this. I would like this thread to be one in which we discuss the possibilities of controlling our own evolution as a species.
My sincerest apologies.
Be Well
~RealIntent

Hi all

Having read through this thread imo i feel the title of this thread should be changed to be something like 'I want to be in the position to escape the grid and live freely'. There is a BIG difference in choosing to get off the grid and getting chucked off it!!!
I am homeless at this time living in a tent with my partner, we class ourselves as very lucky as we have a tent, car and each other. There are many others who are struggling just to find somewhere to lay there heads at night, get some food and water inside them, and try to get through each day as they can.
Then there are those who have lost everything including loved ones due to what the PTB are doing to their countries with the onslaught of weaponry. Many all over this planet who are born into extreme poverty who have no choice or chance of changing their way of life.

Homelessness is not something to be 'wished for' a different way of living is
I mean no disrespect by what i say here, it's just my point of view, i take no offense at what has been posted here, its opened my eyes to what others see homeless to be having never experienced it themselves
To all those in this position i truly hope things change for you soon and you get peace and contentment in your lives

Much love

[cjhepburn]

Off the grid I can see, low profile, but homeless is a sad state to be in. No one cares and with in a year most homeless go a bit nuts from the hardships, hurting each other and finally dieing on the streets alone. I'm 61 and facing homelessness in a month if I don't find a job soon and totally terrified. No one should have to end their life that way but more and more are doing just that.

[Davidallany]

Yes, y'all gotta see it. The machines are going to serve us and there will be no money or property ownership and dem big computers be decidin' what we need and how to distribute it. And, ain't nobody gonna be the big boss man, 'xcept for them big wise AI computers. Yessir, the Venus Projects for me and my kin.

Blessings,

--sjkted
We have to start somewhere, at least there would be no armies, no banks, free living, education, travel, and health care.

[Davidallany]

Great question! Suppose everyone stopped giving value to the monetary system at all. Its one way to bring it all down. But, what do we put in place instead? Is food a commodity to be traded or is it a right? Is money useful in valuing trade amongst communities and useless among the individuals of the community who could share everything freely?

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[sjkted]

Yes, y'all gotta see it. The machines are going to serve us and there will be no money or property ownership and dem big computers be decidin' what we need and how to distribute it. And, ain't nobody gonna be the big boss man, 'xcept for them big wise AI computers. Yessir, the Venus Projects for me and my kin.

Blessings,

--sjkted
We have to start somewhere, at least there would be no armies, no banks, free living, education, travel, and health care.

A sanitized hell. I would honestly kill myself if life ever came to this and there was no way out. A system like this would require even greater subordination to the system, which of course would be run by you guessed it... the same crooks and goons and psychopaths who are in power right now.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?597-The-wingmakers-sanitized-hell-after-2012&p=6053&highlight=sanitized+hell#post6053

--sjkted

[Davidallany]

A sanitized hell. I would honestly kill myself if life ever came to this and there was no way out
Hello, sjkted, Would you have any ideas on an alternative solution?

[sjkted]

We had much of it right in the founding of the US and the Constitution and Bill of Rights. If these documents were intact in the 21st century, we would all have our own homes paid off, evil corporations would not be allowed to exist, and most people would probably be working 10-15 hours per week with lots of time for a wide range of pursuits.

My solutions:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14873-Real-Life-Solutions&p=152423#post152423

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7593-I-Remember-do-you&p=65661#post65661

And, honestly above all else, the problem I have with the Venus Project is that it will stifle innovation. There are cases of real scarcity -- for example if there are 10 cars owned by a "community" and 100 people and more than 10 people need access to a car for a day, obviously someone isn't getting a car. In this type of a model, the only thing left to do is figure out who the out person is. In a progressive model, the solution comes through innovation -- someone figures out how to make a car for half the price or at twice the efficiency, allowing 20 cars to be had for the same amount of labor/energy/resources. Based on what I see from the Venus Project, that type of innovation will not be allowed to exist. Oh, and the movement is also been infiltrated from top to bottom starting with Jacques Fresco.

--sjkted

[rebekah]

. . . once I was at a fancy dinner party with my sister.
A man was grousing on and on about how, " ...the poor get this, and the poor get that..".

She turned to him and said, " Well, there's nothing preventing you from being poor . . . "

[Maia Gabrial]

Exactly, KA. Been there and done that. I learned from my experiences, but to tell you the truth it's not the best situation to be in.
People ignore the homeless. It hurts to be a non-person to the rest of the world. To working people, homelessness means worthlessness to them. They're looked at as lazy, filthy, skidrow, druggies, alchies, thieves, prostitutes, frightening, violent and worthless, not even regarded as people.... Never mind that many of these good people have legitimate reasons for ending up homeless. I've met a business owner who lost everything. I've met moms who were kicked out of their adult children's homes with nowhere else to go....You'd be surprised to see how many young people find themselves in this kind of situation. And believe it or not, I've met a small number of homeless guys that were hard core that wanted nothing to do with society and they've managed....

It's funny that becoming homeless was the one thing I feared the most in life. No one was more shocked than me when it happened. I believe my Higher Self was showing me that I needed to experience this because I was judging these people as harshly as everyone else.... And in my case, my pride and shame kept me from asking for family's help.... Not surprisingly, I made it through and I don't fear it anymore. However, it's an experience some people should go through....But I'm done with it....
I'm not saying that there aren't any druggies, alchies and such among them. The homeless are on a different and difficult path than most.

[Phoenix]

oops. my question was already answered.

delete this

[Darla Ken Pearce]

This whole thread is invalid. It is obvious that you have NOT been homeless and have no experience from which to draw any opinions or conclusions. Until you have such experience, you are whistling in the wind. Be homeless and then come back and open it again.

BTW, it's a ridiculous idea in the first place IMHO and begs for trouble to follow your path just saying such a thing. It would be an insult to those who are homeless now reading it. You have absolutely no concept that has meaning by saying such outrageous things without merit or substance. Having been homeless several times in my life and with children camping out in County parks and the like. Well, you insult those who have experienced it. Please think before you post such statements. If I am out of line by saying this, Mods please remove my post as you have full permission from me to do so. Just saying...

[Phoenix]

This whole thread is invalid. It is obvious that you have NOT been homeless and have no experience from which to draw any opinions or conclusions. Until you have such experience, you are whistling in the wind. Be homeless and then come back and open it again.

BTW, it's a ridiculous idea in the first place IMHO and begs for trouble to follow your path just saying such a thing. It would be an insult to those who are homeless now reading it. You have absolutely no concept that has meaning by saying such outrageous things without merit or substance. Having been homeless several times in my life and with children camping out in County parks and the like. Well, you insult those who have experienced it. Please think before you post such statements. If I am out of line by saying this, Mods please remove my post as you have full permission from me to do so. Just saying...


The OP clarified his statement numerous times, please see above^

-Phoenix

[Apofay]

I understood your meaning, I watched Avatar last night and found myself longing for that kind of society, living off the land, a lot like the Native Americans, getting in tune with our spirits. Seems an impossible dream to me, but one I wish for. Working for 50 years, just to be able to be comfortable seems silly to me, shouldn't we be living, spending the day working for each other, spending the evening together as a community sharing our work? I don't know, maybe it is just a longing for a past life? I know I don't like what this world, in constant chase for money has come to.

[Tane Mahuta]

I am closing this thread for perhaps a half hour, while I read it and decide if some of these posts would be better removed from public view.

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This thread is re-open for business now. It fell into squabbling, and I removed 14 posts from public view.

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P.S. -- Two members were unsubscribed for the above squabbling, one for one day, and the other for two days. It is a violation of forum guidelines to insult fellow members.

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Oh No!.....not again!

Must be a vibrational thing that Avalon members are going through!

Ok folks....would all Avalon Members stop vibrating.......SLOW DOWN!!

Take a "Chill-out Pill"

nuff said

Oh Yeah, by the way, I'm homeless........SUCKS!!

TM

[Davidallany]

It's not being homeless, but rather not contributing to the banking empire using any possible ways. What works for one may not work for another.
I was homeless for 7 months, physically it's not safe nor it is comfortable, psychologically too especially if you are a foreigner in a hostile society with no relatives and friends.

[realitycorrodes]

If anyone is any doubt about what this thread may be about - check out the following...this is a liberated person...not many can do cos an absence of fear is required.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ySs2rLcPhU

[westhill]

I currently have a person living in my car. The front seat is still open. There is a difference between living with/off the land and being homeless. This person has DID and PTSD. This is the second time he has had to use my non-working car in the last two years. For those wondering... I can't have him live with me in my house. I helped for over a decade with medical, emotional and spiritual needs. My kids and I now are left with a huge financial and emotional hole he walked away from. My sons don't not want him here no matter how desperate his situation. They don't don't know he's in the driveway! This is not camping. This is not peaceful or bucolic. His family is his phone. He is not free. As an aside, this time he has a job but not making enough to live. Many times if I don't offer he goes hungry. Screw homelessness. Just look at the word itself!
westhill

[ThePythonicCow]

Oh No!.....not again!
You noticed, I hope, that the post of mine to which you were responding was posted on March 31, 2011.

Dang -- we've got enough vibrations around here without recycling old ones :).

[Lord Sidious]

If anyone is any doubt about what this thread may be about - check out the following...this is a liberated person...not many can do cos an absence of fear is required.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ySs2rLcPhU

Come out, come out, wherever you are.

[Davidallany]

absence of fear is required.
There are many who choose to be wanderers in India, Japan and of course the sand people on Tatooine. http://www.wryandginger.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/sand-people-tuskenraider.jpg

Come out, come out, wherever you are.
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