Chemtrail pilot talks

[Siberia9]

This is a link to an article that has the names of the CIA's contractors involved in the chemtrailing in the US. The story got started by a drunk pilot that was running his mouth in an effort to impress the ladys. If this info is correct and It seems to be, this could finally pull the lid of this deal. I dont know anything about this site but this story could lead to alot of noise on the subject in the comming weeks I'd say. I dont know about ya'll but I've had about all I can stand with them spaying us everyday. Ive watched them in every country Ive been in as well as watched them fly across international borders spraying the whole way. Even in the far reach's of Siberia, although not as often as the US.Check this out, http://www.2012theawakening.com/?p=4032

[crosby]

i have been waiting for this to come too light. it's about time. there will be more that spill their guts regarding this $%it. the domino affect may very well fall into place here. i certainly hope so. totally sick and tired of what is being dumped on all of us.
warmest regards, corson

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Pilots don't know ****. They are told they are "dumping fuel" usually. Power structures are created on a need to know basis. Most of the scientists involved with the production of the atom bomb didn't know what their work would really be used for(manhattan proj)

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Just for the record, i live less than an hour away from evergreen and my best friend works there. The security is NOT as tight as the article implies. Yes, they ARE doing weather mod, no doubt about it. People should realize that fukushima, chemtrails, and niburu are connected. Its bigger and "scarier" than most can concieve of. Go live your life though, enjoy today and be happy and free from fear :) Always ask yourself, "so what?"

[crosby]

Just for the record, i live less than an hour away from evergreen and my best friend works there. The security is NOT as tight as the article implies. Yes, they ARE doing weather mod, no doubt about it. People should realize that fukushima, chemtrails, and niburu are connected. Its bigger and "scarier" than most can concieve of. Go live your life though, enjoy today and be happy and free from fear :) Always ask yourself, "so what?"

you're leaving a lot unsaid........ maybe you would like to be a little more too the point. tell us what you know about the trio connection!!!!!
corson

[ghostrider]

could be sheilding our planet from the affects of nibiru's crossing

[ghostrider]

go ahead tell us what you know we can handle it. you've got me wondering.

[Raven]

I have thought that it might be something like that too - however do wonder re hearing about heavier spraying over more populated areas? - but winds would dissipate it right?

[Lord Sidious]

This article has been posted before, just so that you know.

[Icecold]

The articles report that a company called Evergreen Air is poisoning select groups United States citizens. With jet streams and the movement of air, large areas of the united states are being poisoned. Areas where elites would probably live, including senior Air Force/other military/elites and their families. Has anyone noticed groups of military personnel/or others of any kind going about wearing gas masks? You would think the people in the know would be taking precautions to protect their families from the dangerous biological weapons. Has any US members noticed if this is the case in their area?


Evergreen Air

http://www.evergreenaviation.com/


http://www.evergreenaviation.com/home_new/basket.jpg

Here are some of their affiliate companies...

http://www.evergreenag.com/

http://www.evergreenorchards.com/

http://www.evergreenvineyards.com/

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Its my current understanding that fukushima was/is being controlled by stuxnet. This is a massive coverup, they are creating a radiation threat to shield the fact that we are getting radiation from space. If there were no fuku meltdown, and people were getting high radiation readings, people could start asking the wrong questions i.e "where is it coming from". Fuku is the patsy. Someone mentioned cts as a shield from said radiation, well, Barium is an excellent radiation repellant..... If cts were pop control they wouldn't be happening over all the 1st world nations, im sorry but you kill off the undesireables, not the "educated" people that propel the system (by this i mean they rape our taxes and we are willfully important to the power structure) I did not mean to be cryptic and none of what i've said can be proven. The good news is the ain't much we can do bout radiation from space so ignore what i've said and be happy and in the moment :) {PA is a special place, the fact that i wasn't laughed out of this thread after posting what i did speaks volumes about all of you imo :))

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Also, what i hear is that cts and the metals they are spraying are, in fact, atmospherically buoyant, they float or go up to the ionosphere not downto the soil (I also hear this wasn't always the case). Who knows? Lets just hope tptb are doing this for our benefit, in my opinion, that is the case. As was mentioned prior, they breathe the air too. My research leads me to believe this is an long standing mission, multi faceted as well. The studies that were reportedly done determined that titanium dioxide(radiation repellant, thats why docs tell you not to use any soap before radiation treat for cancer) was least harmful to the human immune, and best tolerated. Go figure, its in almost every soap on the market, go ahead and check your ingredients right now. Anyone w outsanding questions is free to p.m me, don't believe me here just do the research its out there :)

[crosby]

Its my current understanding that fukushima was/is being controlled by stuxnet. This is a massive coverup, they are creating a radiation threat to shield the fact that we are getting radiation from space. If there were no fuku meltdown, and people were getting high radiation readings, people could start asking the wrong questions i.e "where is it coming from". Fuku is the patsy. Someone mentioned cts as a shield from said radiation, well, Barium is an excellent radiation repellant..... If cts were pop control they wouldn't be happening over all the 1st world nations, im sorry but you kill off the undesireables, not the "educated" people that propel the system (by this i mean they rape our taxes and we are willfully important to the power structure) I did not mean to be cryptic and none of what i've said can be proven. The good news is the ain't much we can do bout radiation from space so ignore what i've said and be happy and in the moment :) {PA is a special place, the fact that i wasn't laughed out of this thread after posting what i did speaks volumes about all of you imo :))

did not mean any disrespect too you at all. was just very curious how you could be so direct without any explanation. no laughter involved. we waited for you to give some information, and i know now that you felt that we were attacking you. so very sorry. no disrespect ever intended. thank you for your input it is much appreciated.
warmest regards, corson

[loveandgratitude]

Chemtrail Pilot Line
Show Audio


Date: 03-26-04
Host: George Noory
Guests: Open Lines, Steve Quayle

George set up a special open line for pilots to disclose what they knew about the alleged chemtrail spraying over America. One military pilot, who said he flies out of Edwards AFB, told of seeing a substance loaded into planes, which he described as clear and gelatin-like, that is then dropped between 10,000 and 30,000 ft. in the air. Its purpose, he said, is to create a kind of film that blocks radar from penetrating the area for a certain amount of time before it dissipates.
Another caller, who said he was an airline pilot instructor, referenced William Thomas' website, willthomas.net(1), and said chemtrails were colloidal substances containing human blood derivatives, being dropped in an effort to sicken the population.

1. http://www.willthomas.net/

For the audio -

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2004/03/26

[loveandgratitude]

Freaky Sunset Spraying Session by Chemtrail Pilots over Switzerland


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmkX4jdXpyc

[Icecold]

Its purpose, he said, is to create a kind of film that blocks radar from penetrating the area for a certain amount of time before it dissipates.


Chemtrails were colloidal substances containing human blood derivatives, being dropped in an effort to sicken the population.


Which is it?

If they block radar, that would interfere with flight controllers tasks over major airports?????

Wouldn't many airport authorities be reporting the dangers on jammed radars?

[loveandgratitude]

ICE COLD....are you a de-bunker? You seem to turn up in every forum de-bunking everything.

Do pilots know the real truth. Maybe they are just guessing because they are not told the truth. They just take commands and do, then they surmise. At least they are willilng to come out and report suspicious commands.

ICE COLD THIS IS FOR YOU. Oh wait....yes they are crop dusting?????
LOL

Chemtrail Plane Up Close and Personal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOJ4z8yqa54&feature=related


COMMERCIAL PLANE COMING CLOSE TO CHEMTRAIL PLANES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smm037NM2TY&feature=related

[fathertedsmate]

last October i had a Mineral analysis done via a saliva test, i was looking for answers to ptsd/combatt stress, (i suspected mercury poisoning, so after 10 yrs i went solo in my quest for answers) the results showed that i was extreemly high in Mercury,Nickel,Palladium,Platinum.Silver,Tin,also present was Beryllium,Cadmium,Lead and Thallium, those metals i can put down to what i suspected that the 6 gold plates put in my mouth 10 months prior to leaving army after 22 yrs,
they were put in amongst 5 amalgam fillings, now the interesting part on the test which was conducted in Germany, as the Govnt has closed all facilities down in the UK, ALUMINIUM was present Acceptable range<50, test ,< 97.739mcg/l Barium Acceptable level < 2, test < 205.52mcg/l this was a saliva test only what was present in my mouth could be picked up, where is the Aluminium and barium coming from, also present was TANTALIUM where was that coming from they dont have a minimal range as its new and is only found in mobile phones,computers,flat screen tv,s, we are breathing it in and as the combinations of heavy metals increase, eventualy you body becomes permanantly acidic,then will become encased in a calcium jacket,candida runs riot,you turn into a wreck and are given the Tag of the day depending on what year it is,gulf war syndrom,PTSD,combat stress,Bi polar in fact evert illness is caused this way, now that most of the metals ,chemicals and toxins are out, is it a coincidence that Athritis,Athsma,Tinnitus,memory loss,uncontrollable reactions,stress,anxiety,mood,swings.constant liquid in nose/throat,lower back pain and many more have all been reversed,

[heyokah]

This article has been posted before, just so that you know.

:eek:.....:)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12858-Drunk-Pilot-talks-about-Chemtrails-Loose-Lips-Sink-Ships-and-747s-Too.

update

Here's what 'observer' posted in that particular thread:


Power Hour, The (with Joyce Riley) - Ex Government Employee Talks About CHEMTRAILS -
Part 1 - http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...CHEMTRAILS_1_5
Part 2 - http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...HEMTRAILS_2_5/
Part 3 - http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...HEMTRAILS_3_5/
Part 4 - http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...HEMTRAILS_4_5/
Part 5 - http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...HEMTRAILS_5_5/

If you are the impatient type and want to get right to the issue, click-on Part 3, however, I would highly recommended listening to the entire interview.

[Fred259]

Loveandgratitude Why do you ask if Ice Cold is a debunker?

You say he turns up on every forum de-bunking everything! What is “debunking”? I wonder, could it be another word for talking common sense.

Then you ask, do pilots know the real truth? The answer is Yes, I am a pilot and the real truth is you are insane to believe all this rubbish.

In #17 The first video is a Gulfstream 1 experimental aircraft for atmospheric research. The video is 100% real however the voiceover is 100% complete nonsense.

The second video is perfectly normal contrails from high altitude aircraft.

Your video in #15 is quite normal, busy afternoon traffic over central Europe.

In #16 Ice asks you some questions that require your consideration.

Might I suggest you post about something you know about, perhaps within your profession. If it’s interesting and you have the odd reference people will start to take you seriously? Everything you have posted here is utter rubbish.

[Bob_2011]

This is a link to an article that has the names of the CIA's contractors involved in the chemtrailing in the US. The story got started by a drunk pilot that was running his mouth in an effort to impress the ladys. If this info is correct and It seems to be, this could finally pull the lid of this deal. I dont know anything about this site but this story could lead to alot of noise on the subject in the comming weeks I'd say. I dont know about ya'll but I've had about all I can stand with them spaying us everyday. Ive watched them in every country Ive been in as well as watched them fly across international borders spraying the whole way. Even in the far reach's of Siberia, although not as often as the US.Check this out, http://www.2012theawakening.com/?p=4032

There really should be another button alongside that THANKS button, it should read ABSOLUTE TWODDLE.

[ceetee9]

Pilots don't know ****. They are told they are "dumping fuel" usually. Power structures are created on a need to know basis. Most of the scientists involved with the production of the atom bomb didn't know what their work would really be used for(manhattan proj)

No disrespect intended Koyaanisqatsi, but whether pilots know what they are dumping or not, they damn sure ought to be able to tell when the cabin of their plane is filled with cylinders and pipes and they see trails coming out the back of their plane. And wouldn't you think a pilot might ask why he was told to "dump fuel" over the country side? I'm pretty sure fuel isn't good for us either. I know I would be asking questions. And one last point, it's a very different situation when you are just a cog in the wheel of a major project--like the Manhattan Project (and I'm not suggesting that ignorance absolves one from all responsibility of their part in such a project)--versus the person who is directly responsible for doing something that, at the very least, ought to give them pause to consider just what it is they are actually doing—just my observations based on your statements.

[loveandgratitude]

FRED259 Please go to this link:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17738-Chinese-news-report-a-second-sun-in-the-sky-over-China./page2
There are some useful links in educating yourself about Chemtrails. The research into chemtrails has been going on for at least 10 years. These facts are researched, documented, filmed, documentaries devoted to this subject. To look at the information and keep saying "crop dusting" is absurd.

I see every day chemtrails sprayed all over our town. Next 3 days people are sick. People are watching this on a world-wide basis. People are collecting samples and having them examined. These facts are documented.

It seems there are some doubters and skeptics on this forum regarding chemtrails. I suppose that is there job. TO deny that chemtrails exist.
Just because I am not a pilot does not mean I do not understand chemtrails and their destructive nature. If you wish to continue to be in denial then so be it. THere is too much info out there to remain in denial.

I wonder why you just do not start your own thread about what you are presenting rather than trying to shooting down people who are presenting their information. Saying people are stupid, that they are speaking rubbish is name calling and not giving evidence that they do not exist.

Start your own thread, presenting your facts, your research, your knowledge, instead of shooting down people who are presenting their information. That is what I call a de-bunker. Someone who shoots down the messenger without presenting any evidence about what they are saying. Maybe i should say a FLATWORLDER. Still trying to say that the world is flat when all the evidence is there to say it is round.

Rather than tring to stop the flow of infomation by people who are interested in this subject, trying to argue, just start your own thread where all the people who disagree can disagree together happily and the people who want to discuss this subject rather than argue can do so.

Maybe you should view this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K9rXydMmfw

[Fred259]

Pilots don't know ****. They are told they are "dumping fuel" usually. Power structures are created on a need to know basis. Most of the scientists involved with the production of the atom bomb didn't know what their work would really be used for(manhattan proj)

Dumping fuel is perfectly normal. It needs to be understood that the maximum takeoff weight differs from the maximum landing weight. If for some reason the aircraft has to return, or land before its intended destination fuel will need to be dumped to get below or under the maximum authorized landing weight.

The fuel is jettisoned into the atmosphere where is vaporises.

You say Koyaanisqati “They are told they are dumping fuel” I don’t understand what you mean. The only person who decides to dump fuel is the Captain. The first officer will calculate the amount of fuel to be dumped and the Captain will check his/her calculations. The FO will dump the fuel, and shout out his actions and the Captain will monitor the progress. Fuel on the ground is expensive; fuel in the air is priceless. Blowing all your fuel to atmosphere would not be a good thing to do!
6719

This aircraft is dumping fuel. Normally the fuel dump ports are at the wing tips, however this particular aircraft has been modified and the fuel dump ports moved inward towards the fuselage because on this aircraft they are using the wing tips for another purpose.

All perfectly normal.

[Lord Sidious]

last October i had a Mineral analysis done via a saliva test, i was looking for answers to ptsd/combatt stress, (i suspected mercury poisoning, so after 10 yrs i went solo in my quest for answers) the results showed that i was extreemly high in Mercury,Nickel,Palladium,Platinum.Silver,Tin,also present was Beryllium,Cadmium,Lead and Thallium, those metals i can put down to what i suspected that the 6 gold plates put in my mouth 10 months prior to leaving army after 22 yrs,
they were put in amongst 5 amalgam fillings, now the interesting part on the test which was conducted in Germany, as the Govnt has closed all facilities down in the UK, ALUMINIUM was present Acceptable range<50, test ,< 97.739mcg/l Barium Acceptable level < 2, test < 205.52mcg/l this was a saliva test only what was present in my mouth could be picked up, where is the Aluminium and barium coming from, also present was TANTALIUM where was that coming from they dont have a minimal range as its new and is only found in mobile phones,computers,flat screen tv,s, we are breathing it in and as the combinations of heavy metals increase, eventualy you body becomes permanantly acidic,then will become encased in a calcium jacket,candida runs riot,you turn into a wreck and are given the Tag of the day depending on what year it is,gulf war syndrom,PTSD,combat stress,Bi polar in fact evert illness is caused this way, now that most of the metals ,chemicals and toxins are out, is it a coincidence that Athritis,Athsma,Tinnitus,memory loss,uncontrollable reactions,stress,anxiety,mood,swings.constant liquid in nose/throat,lower back pain and many more have all been reversed,

I also have elevated levels of arsenic and other heavy metals. I did 6 years in the RAAC and I was told it was probably from the propellant in all the rounds that I fired.
Some of the things you mention that doesn't apply to obviously.
Did you get the ''we have finished with you, so now you are useless to us, we don't wanna know'' treatment too?

[Fred259]

FRED259 Please go to this link:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17738-Chinese-news-report-a-second-sun-in-the-sky-over-China./page2
There are some useful links in educating yourself about Chemtrails. The research into chemtrails has been going on for at least 10 years. These facts are researched, documented, filmed, documentaries devoted to this subject. To look at the information and keep saying "crop dusting" is absurd.

I see every day chemtrails sprayed all over our town. Next 3 days people are sick. People are watching this on a world-wide basis. People are collecting samples and having them examined. These facts are documented.

It seems there are some doubters and skeptics on this forum regarding chemtrails. I suppose that is there job. TO deny that chemtrails exist.
Just because I am not a pilot does not mean I do not understand chemtrails and their destructive nature. If you wish to continue to be in denial then so be it. THere is too much info out there to remain in denial.

I wonder why you just do not start your own thread about what you are presenting rather than trying to shooting down people who are presenting their information. Saying people are stupid, that they are speaking rubbish is name calling and not giving evidence that they do not exist.

Start your own thread, presenting your facts, your research, your knowledge, instead of shooting down people who are presenting their information. That is what I call a de-bunker. Someone who shoots down the messenger without presenting any evidence about what they are saying. Maybe i should say a FLATWORLDER. Still trying to say that the world is flat when all the evidence is there to say it is round.

Rather than tring to stop the flow of infomation by people who are interested in this subject, trying to argue, just start your own thread where all the people who disagree can disagree together happily and the people who want to discuss this subject rather than argue can do so.

Maybe you should view this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K9rXydMmfw

The problem is you don’t know what you are talking about. What you are doing is spreading fear and uncertainty amongst the public, who unfortunately are taken in by this misinformation.

You do not see Chemtrails everyday over your town. What you see are contrails, particularly so if you live in Australia where the weather in general is better.

You talk about doubters and skeptics. No this is not the case, it’s not a matter of doubt or skepticism rather fact. It’s not happening; it can’t happen commercial aircraft have no means of delivering chemicals or whatever you want to call them.

I didn’t at any point say you were stupid. I did however point out that Ice Cold was perhaps talking sense and asked you to qualify the grossly irresponsible video involving a turboprop atmospheric research aircraft that you seem to think is used for chemtrailing whatever that is.

I have seen the full length version of the video you enclose; it’s a good video and sensible research. It however relates to geo-engineering which is a completely different subject altogether. What you are saying in your earlier post is that commercial aircraft are chemtrailing, which is most definitely not happening. Further you point to trails in the sky as Chemtrails when in fact they are contrails.

No evidence exits of aircraft chemtrailing.Don’t scare the unsuspecting public.

[selinam]

Those who wish to keep their eyes/ears/minds closed will go on doing that no matter what research you present to them. When they are ready to listen, they will find out the truth.

[Fred259]

Where is the evidence selinam. Where is the research? If a proper credible document can be produced from any government or research establishment, then obviously it must be evaluated. At the moment none of this exists.

[T Smith]

Just for the record, i live less than an hour away from evergreen and my best friend works there. The security is NOT as tight as the article implies. Yes, they ARE doing weather mod, no doubt about it. People should realize that fukushima, chemtrails, and niburu are connected. Its bigger and "scarier" than most can concieve of. Go live your life though, enjoy today and be happy and free from fear :) Always ask yourself, "so what?"

Fantastic advice, actually... but would you care to elaborate on connecting the dots between chemtrails, niburu, and Fukushima?

We shouldn't fear the truth, no matter how "big" and "scary" it is.

[TigerLilly]

Fred259 thank you for your posts.

I only heard about chemtrails for the first time about 18months ago and it is one thing I have always struggled to believe.
It is great to get a common sense clear explanation of some of these videos from a pilot.

As you say there is too much misinformation around.

[meeradas]

[[...]Chemtrails when in fact they are contrails. [...]

Hey Fred,
you seem to know more.
I personally would be very grateful for an expert's explanation on this topic - just to get some peace of mind regarding this.

Whenever i see these trails [daily], i can't say what they are.

The one unsettling thing i notice is that most of them stay (and get bigger/ wider/ form a closed unnatural cloud formation, or a haze) in the sky nowadays, instead of dissolving after a couple of seconds like it used to be... quite a long time ago - and i do remember, as i've been a "sky watcher" from early childhood.

I went through a lot of slides i have been taking of the sky [from mid 70s to early 90s] - and i didn't catch a single of these unnatural clouds on all of these photos. What has happened?

What is the reason for this? If nothing's changed with the plane fuels, the atmosphere must have changed a lot since then. Or what has changed?

Under what conditions does a normal contrail linger & and expand for hours?
[We must have the "ideal" conditions where i am... whatever the weather is like]
Is height a factor?

Does anyone have a satisfying answer?
And why do we need "striped" skies now, when we didn't in the 60s/70s/80s/and on?

Thanks very much in advance!

PS: Imagine a classic 50s movie with a sky full of trails - or even sth like "Gladiator"... they must be "photoshopping" them out these days...

[TigerLilly]

Koyaanisqatsi, can I ask you exactly what you mean in your post on page 1, as quoted below?

"People should realize that fukushima, chemtrails, and niburu are connected. Its bigger and "scarier" than most can concieve of."

How can these three be connected??

[ceetee9]

Where is the evidence selinam. Where is the research? If a proper credible document can be produced from any government or research establishment, then obviously it must be evaluated. At the moment none of this exists.

You don't go to the fox guarding the hen house to ask if the chickens are safe. If the only information you value is produced by the government or their academic shills whose lively hood depends on government grants then there is little that will satisfy you in the way of evidence. Having said that, I don't believe all evidence from alternative sources is necessarily valid either.

[JoshERTW]

Where is the evidence selinam. Where is the research? If a proper credible document can be produced from any government or research establishment, then obviously it must be evaluated. At the moment none of this exists.

Because "Governments" and "Research Establishments" never receive campaign dollars / grant money (respectively) from large corporations, and are known for their honesty and dedication to the well being of the public above all private or personal interests?

Edit:

No offense meant here, but this audience is not likely to agree that these are the best sources of quality information.

I work in the field of environmental engineering and I thought the full length video posted earlier was great research and might as well have been a smoking gun - I agree that commercial (passenger) aircraft probably aren't the culprits here. But there is something going on - look at the numbers they are getting in those soil samples - 30-60x what is considered natural, in a closed environment - where else is all that aluminum coming from if not the sky?

The conclusion that something is afoot is what I consider to be common sense given the evidence I have seen - and I was a skeptic for a long time on this particular issue.

[Fred259]

Where is the evidence selinam. Where is the research? If a proper credible document can be produced from any government or research establishment, then obviously it must be evaluated. At the moment none of this exists.

You don't go to the fox guarding the hen house to ask if the chickens are safe. If the only information you value is produced by the government or their academic shills whose lively hood depends on government grants then there is little that will satisfy you in the way of evidence. Having said that, I don't believe all evidence from alternative sources is necessarily valid either.

Frankly I would rather see a scientific report of this activity from a scientist or an academic rather than from a bunch of disinformation artists.

So where is the evidence? What you are looking at are contrails, and now a whole industry of disinformation has evolved that frightens the public into something that doesn’t even exist.

I keep asking where is the evidence. It doesn’t exist, its all in people’s minds!

[meeradas]

Frankly I would rather see a scientific report of this activity from a scientist or an academic rather than from a bunch of disinformation artists.

Who wouldn't?


So where is the evidence? What you are looking at are contrails, and now a whole industry of disinformation has evolved that frightens the public into something that doesn’t even exist.
[...] It doesn’t exist, its all in people’s minds!
What about this then?

[...]look at the numbers they are getting in those soil samples - 30-60x what is considered natural, in a closed environment - where else is all that aluminum coming from if not the sky?

I'd really appreciate some answer(s) to my questions above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17730-Chemtrail-pilot-talks&p=192523&viewfull=1#post192523), if you have them...

Thanks!

[ceetee9]

Where is the evidence selinam. Where is the research? If a proper credible document can be produced from any government or research establishment, then obviously it must be evaluated. At the moment none of this exists.

You don't go to the fox guarding the hen house to ask if the chickens are safe. If the only information you value is produced by the government or their academic shills whose lively hood depends on government grants then there is little that will satisfy you in the way of evidence. Having said that, I don't believe all evidence from alternative sources is necessarily valid either.

Frankly I would rather see a scientific report of this activity from a scientist or an academic rather than from a bunch of disinformation artists.

So where is the evidence? What you are looking at are contrails, and now a whole industry of disinformation has evolved that frightens the public into something that doesn’t even exist.

I keep asking where is the evidence. It doesn’t exist, its all in people’s minds!

Again, no amount of evidence will satisfy you if, by your own words, it doesn't come from a scientist or academic. There is plenty of evidence in books, articles, videos and on the net some of which were written by scientists and academics, but one must have an open mind and actually do the research for themselves. Judging from what you've written so far, I suspect you have neither.

[Icecold]

Contrails

The condensation trail emitted by jet aircraft exhaust are called contrails. Contrails form when hot humid air from jet exhaust mixes with environmental air of low vapor pressure and low temperature. The mixing is a result of turbulence generated by the engine exhaust. Cloud formation by a mixing process is similar to the cloud you see when you exhale and "see your breath". The figure below represents how saturation vapor pressure varies as a function of temperature. The blue line is the saturation vapor pressure for ice as a function of temperature (in degrees Kelvin). Air parcels in the region labeled saturated will form a cloud. Imagine two parcels of air, A and B, as located on the diagram. Both parcels are unsaturated. If B represents the engine exhaust, then as it mixes with the environment (parcel A) its temperature and corresponding vapor pressure will follow the dotted line. Where this dotted line intersects the blue line is where the parcel becomes saturated, and a cloud will form.

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/class/satvap.gif

If you are attentive to contrail formation and duration, you will notice that they can rapidly dissipate or spread horizontally into an extensive thin cirrus layer. How long a contrail remains intact depends on the humidity structure and winds of the upper troposphere. If the atmosphere is near saturation the contrail may exist for some time. On the other hand, if the atmosphere is dry then as the contrail mixes with the environment it dissipates. Contrails are a concern in climate studies as increased jet aircraft traffic may result in an increase in cloud cover. It has been estimated that in certain heavy air-traffic corridors, cloud cover has increased by as much as 20%. An increase in cloud amount changes the region's radiation balance. For example, solar energy reaching the surface may be reduced, resulting in surface cooling. Contrail clouds also reduce the terrestrial energy losses of the planet, resulting in a warming. Jet exhaust also plays a role in modifying the chemistry of the upper troposphere and lower stratosphere. NASA and the DOE are sponsoring a research program to study the impact contrails have on atmospheric chemistry, weather and climate.

In the series of satellite images below you can investigate the duration of contrails. The satellite images are from the GOES-8 visible channel. Each image is separated in time by approximately 15 minutes. The GOES-8 image has a spatial resolution of approximately 1 km. The satellite image is a view of upper midwest including southern Wisconsin and northern Illinois. Contrails were observed from the ground during this period. At this wavelength, the GOES-8 imager is measuring the amount of radiant energy reflected by the surface and the clouds. The whiter a given portion of the image, the larger the amount of reflected visible light. White portions of the image represent thick clouds and dark regions are water or heavily vegetated regions. Contrails show up on the image as white streaks, similar to how they appear from a surface view.

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/class/CONTRL2m.GIF

When you view this image of 1846 UTC, notice the individual contrails labeled A and B.

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/class/CONTRL3m.GIF

In this image 30 minutes later (1902 UTC), both these contrails exist, as well as others.

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/class/CONTRL5m.GIF

By 1932 UTC, these contrails still exist. Also notice how the contrail labeled C is spreading. Notice also that these clouds are generating shadows. Since we know the position of the sun, we can use these shadows, to calculate the height of the clouds that cast them. To view a 3 1/2 hour time sequence of the contrails generated on this day http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/class/CONTRL.mpg


Contrail Formation Forecast

The presence of a circle at a particular point simply tells you if the conditions are favorable for contrail formation at the altitude indicated by the color of the circle. The size of the circle only varies so different altitudes can be shown at the same point, but the smaller the circle, the higher the altitude.

The Mb scale on the left is the measure of atmospheric pressure in millibars. This can roughly be translated to altitude, as pressure decreases fairly uniformly with altitude. Planes actually use the air pressure to measure their altitude using an altimeter, but you have to set it to the local sea level pressure in order to get an accurate result for landing and take-off. To avoid confusion, planes flying above 18,000 feet all set their altimeters to the same reference, 29.92 inchs of mercury, or 1013.25mb (for sea level).

The scale starts at 400mb, which is around 23,500 feet, and goes to 125mb, or about 48,500 feet.

The page describes how this works, and I repeat it here in full:

The RUC model data are representations of the complete 3-dimensional structure of wind, temperature, and humidity over the USA at a resolution of 25 mb and 40 km. The horizontal resolution has been degraded to 1° latitude x 1° longitude to facilitate the computations. Because they are based on a sparse number of actual in situ (balloon sonde) data taken every 12 hours and satellite measurements, the RUC data are not a perfect representation of the various meteorological parameters, especially water vapor. The model humidity at upper levels of the atmosphere is often too low, reflecting the current biases known to exist in our measurement system. Persistent contrails require a relative humidity with respect to ice (RHI) that exceeds 100%. We know that contrails are sometimes observed in areas where estimates of the RHI are less than 100%. The existence of contrails in those locations highlights the “dry-bias” in the humidity fields.

Because the input data do not perfectly characterize the meteorological conditions, the diagnoses of persistent contrail conditions are only estimates and will not detect all of the areas where persistent contrails will form and may also add areas of formation that do not exist. All estimates of persistent contrail formation conditions are based on a modified Appleman curve using three different engine propulsion efficiencies. To give some idea of where contrails may form, but are not diagnosed, we have included information about RHI for values above 70% for single-level plots.

Two forms of results are presented.

Favorable contrail conditions, for a range of pressure levels between 125 and 400 mb, are represented as concentric circles – color coded with reducing diameter for each level. These results can be displayed for engine efficiencies of 0.2, 0.3, and 0.4.
Favorable contrail conditions at each level, represented by ‘X’, along with relative humidity w.r.t ice (RHI). These results are only available for engine efficiencies of 0.3.

http://www-angler.larc.nasa.gov/prod/contrail/predict/latest/comb_03.gif

This page provides access to both real time and archived contrail formation forecasts from the Rapid Update Cycle (RUC) model data.

http://www-angler.larc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/site/showdoc?docid=33&cmd=forecast


http://contrailscience.com/skitch/contrails_southeast_lrg.gif_%28997%C3%97788%29-20110129-163044.jpg

This enhanced infrared image from NASA's Terra satellite shows a widespread outbreak of contrails over the southeastern United States during the morning of January 29, 2004. Satellite data are critical for studying the effects of contrails. The crisscrossing white lines are contrails that form from planes flying in different directions at different altitudes. Each contrail spreads and moves with the wind. Contrails often form over large areas during winter and spring. CREDIT: NASA

Everything you wanted to know about CONTRAILS, but were afraid to look........

http://contrailscience.com/

Southeast Flight Animation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv5tY7uiPAA&feature=player_embedded

Contrail Simulations
http://contrailscience.com/contrail-simulations/#more-878

[Fred259]

Where is the evidence selinam. Where is the research? If a proper credible document can be produced from any government or research establishment, then obviously it must be evaluated. At the moment none of this exists.

You don't go to the fox guarding the hen house to ask if the chickens are safe. If the only information you value is produced by the government or their academic shills whose lively hood depends on government grants then there is little that will satisfy you in the way of evidence. Having said that, I don't believe all evidence from alternative sources is necessarily valid either.

Frankly I would rather see a scientific report of this activity from a scientist or an academic rather than from a bunch of disinformation artists.

So where is the evidence? What you are looking at are contrails, and now a whole industry of disinformation has evolved that frightens the public into something that doesn’t even exist.

I keep asking where is the evidence. It doesn’t exist, its all in people’s minds!

Again, no amount of evidence will satisfy you if, by your own words, it doesn't come from a scientist or academic. There is plenty of evidence in books, articles, videos and on the net some of which were written by scientists and academics, but one must have an open mind and actually do the research for themselves. Judging from what you've written so far, I suspect you have neither.

OK then just produce any evidence. In post 17 the video is of an atmospheric research aircraft. Everything in the video is 100% correct. The voiceover is 100% disinformation and lies. The aircraft is used for atmospheric research probably by scientists at a university. What’s wrong is the video has been stolen and the voiceover is 100% lies referring to the aircraft as a Chemtrail aircraft, when in fact its an atmospheric research aircraft.

[Icecold]

I've seen this "chemtrail weather modification conspiracy theory" before.
On the "control" of the "release" of the weather modification particles, anybody on this site who has an even halfway knowledge of the atmosphere will have seen and will know that jet contrails will appear and dissapear according to very small changes in temperatures and the water vapour levels in the upper atmosphere which controls whether the moisture in the jet exhaust condenses out and we see a contrail.

Nothing at all conspiratorial about that,

Just a natural phenomena that is also integral to high cloud formation.

As for a small level of particles being injected into the atmosphere to alter the weather, the rainmakers around the globe like in the USA, Australia, China and others have been trying to do this for decades with very little to show for their attempts except in a few isolated cases.

To really change the weather you need something decent in the way of tonnages of weather modifying substances such as this sat view of Saharan dust being blown across the Atlantic
And if you want some more info on how many hundreds of millions tonnes of dust are in that cloud and other sat pics just google "saharan dust over the atlantic".
And there are papers there on how that Saharan dust does alter the Atlantic weather and obviously the weather and weather phenomena such as hurricanes in all the countries around the Atlantic littoral.

Now that IS weather modification on a grand scale and a very old process indeed!

Or google the "South east Asian Brown cloud" which definitely changes the weather in that region and perhaps affects weather around the globe while it is existent.
Again the tonnages of pollutants is immense compared to claimed injection of a few tonnes of chemicals from the conspiratorial chem- trails which are supposed to be so potent in controlling weather systems.

But there is one other factor!
The world's weather systems are chaotic in nature hence the inability to predict weather accurately more than about 5 to 7 days ahead. They are chaotic but also intimately linked right across the globe. What happens in one place affects what happens everywhere else in some way. So if one nation starts to modify it's weather for it's own benefit or another nation's weather to gain a military or economic advantage, this will be reflected by some minor and some very major changes in complex interlocking weather systems and patterns in many locations around the world.
If a number of nations could modify and start to modify the weather to try and achieve a national economic or military advantage for themselves then that would lead to a total collapse of the world's weather circulation systems and a consequent collapse in food supplies as crops failed, starvation and a collapse of our civilisation.

If you shift a low pressure, then something has to fill the hole and in doing so the long established, natural weather system circulation pattern is upset and destroyed.

Think about it!

If a nation starts to modify the weather that will immediately lead to a different weather pattern in surrounding countries with some very serious economic consequences for that country which when they twigg will almost certainly lead to the possibility of war.

If some countries are so advanced in weather modification and the believers in the chem trail theory have been on this for thirty or so years, then some very big advances should have been made in that time.

So how is it that the USA, China, India, Russia and Europe are still having droughts, floods, tornados, freezing temperatures, cyclones, Katrina hurricanes and etc!

Surely their chem trail technology would have advanced enough in thirty years to at least minimise the effects of these natural phenomena.

Why didn't the USA use this technology on Iraq or Afghanistan to create drought or floods and to control the timing of these events.

There would be no need for any wars in this case as a nation could be brought to it's knees in a year or so just by a few high altitude flights across it while distributing these oh so potent chem trail weather modification .materials to destroy crops and flood out and burn out or freeze out through excessive heat or cold over entire regions.

There are some really crazy conspiritatorial theories out there and some really gullible people who will believe almost any conspiracy theory.
This is one such conspiratorial theory!

Unfortunately we are seeing this very same "Man playing God" psychology with some so called " scientists" who follow the AGW ideology promoting some truly hair raising schemes to reduce global warming such as spreading millions of tonnes of iron particles on the sea surface to promote algae growth to take up CO2.
They seem to have no conception of the law of unknown consequences.
And spreading millions of tonnes of iron particles is one of the more achievable schemes compared to a lot of the other proposed hypothetical, out of this world, truly hare brained global warming mitigation schemes

And while we are on this pseudo-science based phenomena that shamans and conmen have used to con the ordinary science trusting but science illiterate individuals out of a good deal of their wealth, here is another example;
We had one of these conmen in our area a few years ago spruiking in on how he could use "directed electromagnetic waves" to create" resonances" which by using "chaos theory effects from his resonance technology " he could guide and bring up the massive "rain bearing oceanic systems" from the southern ocean to our drought affected areas.
He had an impressive truck with a large antennae dish on top and some quite secret equipment inside which naturally nobody was allowed to examine
He collected some thousands of dollars from a few of the more gullible and desperate locals around here before I successfully sank him through our local media with a similar to the above but more detailed explanation of chaos theory which struck at the heart of and discredited his claims.

http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubbthreads.php/topics/104334/Re_Manmade_Weather_Modificatio#Post104334


A long and hilarious thread on GLP entitled....."Chemtrails are "BS"

http://204.74.214.194/forum1/message203796/pg1

[Siberia9]

Fred259, I dont know if your just someone who just doesnt want to see the truth or what but if you use this CIA/NSA keyword software they call GOOGLE you find the proof you need. Its endless, its everywhere if you look. Here is an old one from your side of the pond, http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience BTW I was taught about the chemtrailing as a child(I was born IN 1970) you see my family was involved with those government CIA/Spec ops Army/ Illuminati bags a crap. I remember being told about the phones the "spooks" used that had no wires, way back in the 70's. That sounded crazy to me and imposible, but guess what... cell phones are real. Come to think of it, last summer in Suffolk, Va I saw two planes flying 300' apart both spraying the same line of chemtrail mixing in the air. You are a pilot so Im sure you know there is only one group that is allowed to fly that close right? Ive watched them turn the spay on and off as they fly the grid over the city. Ive watched them recently spend all day flying into one spot and turn on the spray as they build one big cloud on a calm day here in North Carolina as they practice their whether weapons. Im not attacking you on a personal level, Im just making the point that you are clearly just refusing to acknowledge what is all around you, that is your choice of course, but I will not pretend with you, I'm sorry. :p

[Fred259]

[QUOTE=Fred259;192484][[...]Chemtrails when in fact they are contrails. [...]

Hey Fred,
you seem to know more.
I personally would be very grateful for an expert's explanation on this topic - just to get some peace of mind regarding this.

Whenever i see these trails [daily], i can't say what they are.


The one unsettling thing i notice is that most of them stay (and get bigger/ wider/ form a closed unnatural cloud formation, or a haze) in the sky nowadays, instead of dissolving after a couple of seconds like it used to be... quite a long time ago - and i do remember, as i've been a "sky watcher" from early childhood.

I went through a lot of slides i have been taking of the sky [from mid 70s to early 90s] - and i didn't catch a single of these unnatural clouds on all of these photos. What has happened?

It all relates to the condition of the atmosphere. Contrails are occurring all the time 24/7 365 days per annum. However the long white jet trails will occur under certain atmospheric conditions which in general terms relate to temperature and relative humidity.



What is the reason for this? If nothing's changed with the plane fuels, the atmosphere must have changed a lot since then. Or what has changed?

Aviation fuel and the atmosphere have not changed. What has changed is the explosion of air travel with the introduction of low fare travel, the volume of aircraft operating in the sky and above all changes in navigation. In the past aircraft were separated by separate airways, however due to advances in navigation they are now grouped together and operate under a different system. Here is an example.

http://www.pilotosdeiberia.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=204:slop&catid=40:pepe&Itemid=92


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_a8bZGxaCc&feature=related

In this video they talk about reduced seperation and offset positioning. I join a radio talk show tonight as it happens with a lady in Bangor Maine. She continually refers to Chemtrails because she lives in Bangor. Bangor or sometimes Gander is the entry / exit point of the north Atlantic slop as is Scotland. At least 2,000 aircraft cross the pond each day so something like 6,000 engines are passing over her city each day. With the right atmospheric conditions massive contrails will form.



Under what conditions does a normal contrail linger & and expand for hours?
[We must have the "ideal" conditions where i am... whatever the weather is like]
Is height a factor?

Sensible question. Normally above 25,000 feet and a temp-25C If the relative humidity is high contrails will form. If the RH is 100% clouds form. The exhaust out of the back of the engine is circa +650C but the outside air temperature could be -60C so the gasses turn to a vaporises state instantly, and then ice crystals in the shock cooling.

I’ve seen it quoted time and time again that contrails disappear after ten minutes. This is not true they can last for hours, as previously mentioned it all depends on the state of the atmosphere. Old WWII pictures of the US Air Force bombing over Germany by day show massive contrails. Nothing has really changed. The reason why the ten minutes is mentioned so often is that one disinformation site copies the other and hey presto you have a whole new junk science.


Does anyone have a satisfying answer?
And why do we need "striped" skies now, when we didn't in the 60s/70s/80s/and on?

Changes in navigation including RVSM (Reduced vertical separation minima) and Slop. If you watched the SLOP video it shows you in graphic form.

Aircraft are position 2 miles from each other and to the right of track, so when you look up in the sky and see contrails in stripes the aircraft are positioned like this…



AC1 AC2 AC3 Track AC4 AC5 AC6 AC7


Aircraft 1,2,3 are flying right of track and heading down the page or south.

Aircraft 4,5,6,7 are flying right of track and heading up the page or north.

This is what produces the stripe effect, but only when atmospheric conditions are suitable.

People say they are Chemtrailing today? What does this mean today and not yesterday? What about tomorrow? Is it Mon, Wed, and Fri and bank holidays? NO It’s like this everyday. What differs is the state of the atmosphere, which determines the contrail formation.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

To the people that are so sure of themselves when they declare 'chemtrails don't exist' could you please tell me what weather manipulation and cloud seeding is?

I think you will find they are called chemtrails.

Also, what are the huge canisters strapped under even some commercial jets for?

Hurritt

[heyokah]

Chemtrails?.....Contrails?......

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8057/1221788230200220ooievaa.jpg

[mondaze]

some serious disinfo going on here. I have watched the sky since the sixties and i know what contrails look like... and let me tell you the stuff they are pumping in the skies every day over my head is not a contrail. We never have blue skies any more, there is always an insidious oily grey scum in the sky. i dont need to be an optician to be able to believe my own eyes! The sun is never a focused spot in the sky but rather a diffused radiance. Say what you will so-called experts, i will continue to believe what i see!

[Dennis Leahy]

... poisoning select groups United States citizens. With jet streams and the movement of air, large areas of the united states are being poisoned. Areas where elites would probably live, including senior Air Force/other military/elites and their families. Has anyone noticed groups of military personnel/or others of any kind going about wearing gas masks? You would think the people in the know would be taking precautions to protect their families from the dangerous biological weapons.
I have thought about that question with all kinds of biological agents that are unleashed on the populace (for those of us that believe this has been done.) My 'answer' (to my own question) is that anyone with the skills to design, manufacture, and distribute nefarious biological agents would have the capability of inoculating themselves and their family members against the biological agents.

Without whistleblower testimony or smoking guns (needles, airborne aerosol equipment, etc.) containing biological agents, it is conjecture. Chemtrails/'geoengineering' is not conjecture. It would not surprise me to find out that some of the payload is chemical (aluminum/barium), and that some of the payload is biological.

Dennis

[crosby]

Its purpose, he said, is to create a kind of film that blocks radar from penetrating the area for a certain amount of time before it dissipates.


Chemtrails were colloidal substances containing human blood derivatives, being dropped in an effort to sicken the population.


Which is it?

If they block radar, that would interfere with flight controllers tasks over major airports?????

Wouldn't many airport authorities be reporting the dangers on jammed radars?

it may be both..... i'm heading over to the aircrap.org site too see if i can pull any info. back
regards, corson

actually found this in the alex jones archives


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShrwWWodBek

this vid. from the alex jones show sheds some light on this matter. this woman is a bonafide interviewee regarding the subject.

[K626]

It started off as a quick buck to counter global warming. ie sunlight and radiation reflected back into space. Then other side benefits were discovered (jamming of satellite imagery) and also now of course cloud capture and possible synergy with HAARP protocols. From what I know it isn't one clear package, many things are being tested. When certain factions started saying that they would 'own the weather' they meant it.

Just my thoughts in the debate. I don't have a dog in this fight. :p

Peace

K

[nomadguy]

could be shielding our planet from the affects of nibiru's crossing

It could be that, and also shielding from stuff that could come from the galactic superwave, and perhaps it is already here.
It would be like a light switch. Not so much an event. Paul laviolette had mentioned the idea of the particles from the superwave being highly hydrogen. And then would precipitate mainly in water forms. So then the idea of the 40days and 40 nights of rain or the deluge-biblical stories seem relative to me. Shielding from ascensions has also been considered by quite a few in the Chemtrail groups we know, if the planet goes into a stellar cloud that can cause genesis like effects a shielding to slow the process might be in order ~due to the non-fractal living we humans have chosen.
>>>We really need to address our toxic enviro, metals+polymers and electrical currents over-under water and over-under land and under sea. I mean come on!!! this stuff is messing everything up. Anywho, Here is a very good explanation of such technologies and their possible uses. he begins into it at about 6:00 mins or so...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCf8mDGpFEo&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

[Fred259]

some serious disinfo going on here. I have watched the sky since the sixties and i know what contrails look like... and let me tell you the stuff they are pumping in the skies every day over my head is not a contrail. We never have blue skies any more, there is always an insidious oily grey scum in the sky. i dont need to be an optician to be able to believe my own eyes! The sun is never a focused spot in the sky but rather a diffused radiance. Say what you will so-called experts, i will continue to believe what i see!

Mondaze, if as you say you have watched the skies since the sixties then you will also be aware of the immense growth in air travel since the sixties. Do you consider this may have some bearing on matters?

You say you live in Cheshire UK one of the busiest sections of airspace in Western Europe. How many aircraft do you think pass over your country per 24 hours?

Where is the evidence of this activity, Who is manufacturing these chemicals? Who are the distributors? How are these chemicals delivered to the aircraft? When and who delivers them? Where are they stored on the aircraft? What delivery system is used? How is it activated? What about documentation? Do you think commercial airlines would permit this? Where are the whistleblowers who are directly involved in this crime?

If you have any evidence then it’s at least worthy of consideration. The fact that non of this exists surely should tell you something.


Hurritt Enyeto.

I see you also live in the North West. To answer your post #43, I agree within parts of the US and perhaps elsewhere weather manipulation, cloud seeding and other aerial activities take place. I accept this, however this is very isolated and in general we are talking about what is happening in the skies above our heads including where you live in the North West of England.

Cloud seeding is not taking place overhead Manchester, yet you seem to be of the belief that all aircraft passing overhead are spraying chemicals on the good folks of Manchester. Again where is the evidence?

You talk about huge canisters strapped under some commercial jets? I’m totally lost and bewildered by your question, this does not happen and further nothing is strapped as you put it? Come on be serious Hurritt, do you have any examples or evidence of this?

[Flash]

Fred259, I dont know if your just someone who just doesnt want to see the truth or what but if you use this CIA/NSA keyword software they call GOOGLE you find the proof you need. Its endless, its everywhere if you look. Here is an old one from your side of the pond, http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience BTW I was taught about the chemtrailing as a child(I was born IN 1970) you see my family was involved with those government CIA/Spec ops Army/ Illuminati bags a crap. I remember being told about the phones the "spooks" used that had no wires, way back in the 70's. That sounded crazy to me and imposible, but guess what... cell phones are real. Come to think of it, last summer in Suffolk, Va I saw two planes flying 300' apart both spraying the same line of chemtrail mixing in the air. You are a pilot so Im sure you know there is only one group that is allowed to fly that close right? Ive watched them turn the spay on and off as they fly the grid over the city. Ive watched them recently spend all day flying into one spot and turn on the spray as they build one big cloud on a calm day here in North Carolina as they practice their whether weapons. Im not attacking you on a personal level, Im just making the point that you are clearly just refusing to acknowledge what is all around you, that is your choice of course, but I will not pretend with you, I'm sorry. :p

Hi Fred259,

The same here, I was taught about chemtrails in the early 70's by my grandfather, who was a farmer and was tired of too much rain to be able to farm (his crops and other farmer's crop as well were sinking in water). A whole region was under water for summers in a row and farmers went on the street demonstrating, in the 70's, for the government to stop "seeding the clouds" as they would say. There is even articles from that time mentioning the control of weather through cloud seeding with airplanes, nowadays called chemtrails. The government of the time admitted seeding the clouds in parliament.

see http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6816-Chemtrails-over-the-thumb&p=97131#post97131 post 34

So please Fred, adjust your reading, this is dated knowledge.

[crosby]

Fred259, I dont know if your just someone who just doesnt want to see the truth or what but if you use this CIA/NSA keyword software they call GOOGLE you find the proof you need. Its endless, its everywhere if you look. Here is an old one from your side of the pond, http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience BTW I was taught about the chemtrailing as a child(I was born IN 1970) you see my family was involved with those government CIA/Spec ops Army/ Illuminati bags a crap. I remember being told about the phones the "spooks" used that had no wires, way back in the 70's. That sounded crazy to me and imposible, but guess what... cell phones are real. Come to think of it, last summer in Suffolk, Va I saw two planes flying 300' apart both spraying the same line of chemtrail mixing in the air. You are a pilot so Im sure you know there is only one group that is allowed to fly that close right? Ive watched them turn the spay on and off as they fly the grid over the city. Ive watched them recently spend all day flying into one spot and turn on the spray as they build one big cloud on a calm day here in North Carolina as they practice their whether weapons. Im not attacking you on a personal level, Im just making the point that you are clearly just refusing to acknowledge what is all around you, that is your choice of course, but I will not pretend with you, I'm sorry. :p

Hi Fred259,

The same here, I was taught about chemtrails in the early 70's by my grandfather, who was a farmer and was tired of too much rain to be able to farm (his crops and other farmer's crop as well were sinking in water). A whole region was under water for summers in a row and farmers went on the street demonstrating, in the 70's, for the government to stop "seeding the clouds" as they would say. There is even articles from that time mentioning the control of weather through cloud seeding with airplanes, nowadays called chemtrails. The government of the time admitted seeding the clouds in parliament.

see http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6816-Chemtrails-over-the-thumb&p=97131#post97131 post 34

So please Fred, adjust your reading, this is dated knowledge.

now that is something i did not know. since the 70's? wow.
corson

[pharoah21]

some serious disinfo going on here. I have watched the sky since the sixties and i know what contrails look like... and let me tell you the stuff they are pumping in the skies every day over my head is not a contrail. We never have blue skies any more, there is always an insidious oily grey scum in the sky. i dont need to be an optician to be able to believe my own eyes!

If you have any evidence then it’s at least worthy of consideration. The fact that non of this exists surely should tell you something.


Hurritt Enyeto.

I’m totally lost and bewildered by your question, this does not happen and further nothing is strapped as you put it? Come on be serious Hurritt, do you have any examples or evidence of this?


[QUOTE=Siberia9;192582]Fred259, I dont know if your just someone who just doesnt want to see the truth or what but if you use this CIA/NSA keyword software they call GOOGLE you find the proof you need. Its endless, its everywhere if you look. Here is an old one from your side of the pond, http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience BTW I was taught about the chemtrailing as a child(I was born IN 1970) you see my family was involved with those government CIA/Spec ops Army/ Illuminati bags a crap. I remember being told about the phones the "spooks" used that had no wires, way back in the 70's. That sounded crazy to me and imposible, but guess what... cell phones are real. Come to think of it, last summer in Suffolk, Va I saw two planes flying 300' apart both spraying the same line of chemtrail mixing in the air. You are a pilot so Im sure you know there is only one group that is allowed to fly that close right? Ive watched them turn the spay on and off as they fly the grid over the city. Ive watched them recently spend all day flying into one spot and turn on the spray as they build one big cloud on a calm day here in North Carolina as they practice their whether weapons. Im not attacking you on a personal level, Im just making the point that you are clearly just refusing to acknowledge what is all around you, that is your choice of course, but I will not pretend with you, I'm sorry. :p

Hi Fred259,

The same here, I was taught about chemtrails in the early 70's by my grandfather, who was a farmer and was tired of too much rain to be able to farm (his crops and other farmer's crop as well were sinking in water). A whole region was under water for summers in a row and farmers went on the street demonstrating, in the 70's, for the government to stop "seeding the clouds" as they would say. There is even articles from that time mentioning the control of weather through cloud seeding with airplanes, nowadays called chemtrails. The government of the time admitted seeding the clouds in parliament.

see http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6816-Chemtrails-over-the-thumb&p=97131#post97131 post 34

So please Fred, adjust your reading, this is dated knowledge.

There is your evidence Fred. The government even admitted to it. It is understandable to see why you would choose to defend pilots because you surely would not want your occupation to be associated with something like this. You can't just say something doesn't exist, with no evidence of your own to present. There is MUCH more evidence for the existence of chemtrailing then against.

[Fred259]

some serious disinfo going on here. I have watched the sky since the sixties and i know what contrails look like... and let me tell you the stuff they are pumping in the skies every day over my head is not a contrail. We never have blue skies any more, there is always an insidious oily grey scum in the sky. i dont need to be an optician to be able to believe my own eyes!

If you have any evidence then it’s at least worthy of consideration. The fact that non of this exists surely should tell you something.


Hurritt Enyeto.

I’m totally lost and bewildered by your question, this does not happen and further nothing is strapped as you put it? Come on be serious Hurritt, do you have any examples or evidence of this?


[QUOTE=Siberia9;192582]Fred259, I dont know if your just someone who just doesnt want to see the truth or what but if you use this CIA/NSA keyword software they call GOOGLE you find the proof you need. Its endless, its everywhere if you look. Here is an old one from your side of the pond, http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience BTW I was taught about the chemtrailing as a child(I was born IN 1970) you see my family was involved with those government CIA/Spec ops Army/ Illuminati bags a crap. I remember being told about the phones the "spooks" used that had no wires, way back in the 70's. That sounded crazy to me and imposible, but guess what... cell phones are real. Come to think of it, last summer in Suffolk, Va I saw two planes flying 300' apart both spraying the same line of chemtrail mixing in the air. You are a pilot so Im sure you know there is only one group that is allowed to fly that close right? Ive watched them turn the spay on and off as they fly the grid over the city. Ive watched them recently spend all day flying into one spot and turn on the spray as they build one big cloud on a calm day here in North Carolina as they practice their whether weapons. Im not attacking you on a personal level, Im just making the point that you are clearly just refusing to acknowledge what is all around you, that is your choice of course, but I will not pretend with you, I'm sorry. :p

Hi Fred259,

The same here, I was taught about chemtrails in the early 70's by my grandfather, who was a farmer and was tired of too much rain to be able to farm (his crops and other farmer's crop as well were sinking in water). A whole region was under water for summers in a row and farmers went on the street demonstrating, in the 70's, for the government to stop "seeding the clouds" as they would say. There is even articles from that time mentioning the control of weather through cloud seeding with airplanes, nowadays called chemtrails. The government of the time admitted seeding the clouds in parliament.

see http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6816-Chemtrails-over-the-thumb&p=97131#post97131 post 34

So please Fred, adjust your reading, this is dated knowledge.

There is your evidence Fred. The government even admitted to it. It is understandable to see why you would choose to defend pilots because you surely would not want your occupation to be associated with something like this. You can't just say something doesn't exist, with no evidence of your own to present. There is MUCH more evidence for the existence of chemtrailing then against.

I accept that in the UK during the 1950 and as recently as 1979 the UK military were involved in aerial testing of chemical warfare agents. Likewise in Canada as Flash has indicated in Vancouver and Montreal in and around the 1960s the government were involved in what’s best has described as aerial activities. I have no issues with this.

What I’m specifically referring to is the grossly irresponsible comments on this forum and others were each and everyday members see jet trails in the sky and immediately come out with ridiculous statements without any foundation.

No evidence exists that this activity is taking place at all. These trails are perfectly normal as I have explained in post#42 and frankly if you have it in your mind that these are something else or perhaps more sinister, then I suggest you start accepting this because they won’t be going away.

[Muzz]

:)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?643-They-re-spraying-Edinburgh-today.&p=192660&viewfull=1#post192660

[Fred259]

:)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?643-They-re-spraying-Edinburgh-today.&p=192660&viewfull=1#post192660

Muzz, What you have here is a photograph of a dry desert storage facility in Arizona. These aircraft are out of service and probably will never see service again along with a half cocked story with no evidence or anything and this is supposed to constitute fact.

I thought people on this forum were above average intelligence. Do you seriously think this is a credible document.

[ceetee9]

Where is the evidence selinam. Where is the research? If a proper credible document can be produced from any government or research establishment, then obviously it must be evaluated. At the moment none of this exists.

You don't go to the fox guarding the hen house to ask if the chickens are safe. If the only information you value is produced by the government or their academic shills whose lively hood depends on government grants then there is little that will satisfy you in the way of evidence. Having said that, I don't believe all evidence from alternative sources is necessarily valid either.

Frankly I would rather see a scientific report of this activity from a scientist or an academic rather than from a bunch of disinformation artists.

So where is the evidence? What you are looking at are contrails, and now a whole industry of disinformation has evolved that frightens the public into something that doesn’t even exist.

I keep asking where is the evidence. It doesn’t exist, its all in people’s minds!

Again, no amount of evidence will satisfy you if, by your own words, it doesn't come from a scientist or academic. There is plenty of evidence in books, articles, videos and on the net some of which were written by scientists and academics, but one must have an open mind and actually do the research for themselves. Judging from what you've written so far, I suspect you have neither.

OK then just produce any evidence. In post 17 the video is of an atmospheric research aircraft. Everything in the video is 100% correct. The voiceover is 100% disinformation and lies. The aircraft is used for atmospheric research probably by scientists at a university. What’s wrong is the video has been stolen and the voiceover is 100% lies referring to the aircraft as a Chemtrail aircraft, when in fact its an atmospheric research aircraft.
As I stated earlier, I don't necessarily believe everything I read (i.e., the video in #17 doesn't impress me--although I'd be interested to hear how you know with 100% certainty that the "voiceover" is, in fact, a voice-over and that it is 100% disinformation based on your singular data point of it being stated it was a "Chemtrail aircraft").

While I don't have photographic memory or keep a database on all the material I've read, listened to, or watched, and I make no claims as to the validity of the information I've provided below, I offer it for those who would like some place to start their research or who would just like more information about "persistent contrails" (aka chemtrails).

Patent for atmospheric chemical spraying to reduce UV radiation (1994-02-15):
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=3&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=5003186&OS=5003186&RS=5003186

Welsbach Patent (5,003,186) for Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding for reduction of global warming (1991-03-26)
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5,003,186.PN.&OS=PN/5,003,186&RS=PN/5,003,186

USC Title 50 Chapter 32 on Chemical and Biological Warfare (revised 2010-02-01):
http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/50C32.txt -- (of particular interest section 1520a)

Atlanta Progressive News investigation (2011-02-13):
http://www.atlantaprogressivenews.com/interspire/news/2011/02/13/persistent-plane-contrails-cover-atlanta-skies-raise-concerns.html

North Florida Gulf Skywatch information on chemtrails:
http://saive.com/BELFORT.html

William Thomas’ book Chemtrails Confirmed! (2004-08):
http://www.amazon.com/Chemtrails-Confirmed-William-Thomas/dp/1893157105/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1302213714&sr=8-1

Study: Persistent Contrails (Chemtrails?) Indeed Produced by Non-Regular Air Traffic (2010-03-06):
http://genesgreenbook.com/content/study-persistent-contrails-chemtrails-indeed-produced-non-regular-air-traffic

Trail Research Report by M Steadham (2001-01-20):
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/report.shtml

[dan i el]

some serious disinfo going on here. I have watched the sky since the sixties and i know what contrails look like... and let me tell you the stuff they are pumping in the skies every day over my head is not a contrail. We never have blue skies any more, there is always an insidious oily grey scum in the sky. i dont need to be an optician to be able to believe my own eyes!

If you have any evidence then it’s at least worthy of consideration. The fact that non of this exists surely should tell you something.


Hurritt Enyeto.

I’m totally lost and bewildered by your question, this does not happen and further nothing is strapped as you put it? Come on be serious Hurritt, do you have any examples or evidence of this?


[QUOTE=Siberia9;192582]Fred259, I dont know if your just someone who just doesnt want to see the truth or what but if you use this CIA/NSA keyword software they call GOOGLE you find the proof you need. Its endless, its everywhere if you look. Here is an old one from your side of the pond, http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience BTW I was taught about the chemtrailing as a child(I was born IN 1970) you see my family was involved with those government CIA/Spec ops Army/ Illuminati bags a crap. I remember being told about the phones the "spooks" used that had no wires, way back in the 70's. That sounded crazy to me and imposible, but guess what... cell phones are real. Come to think of it, last summer in Suffolk, Va I saw two planes flying 300' apart both spraying the same line of chemtrail mixing in the air. You are a pilot so Im sure you know there is only one group that is allowed to fly that close right? Ive watched them turn the spay on and off as they fly the grid over the city. Ive watched them recently spend all day flying into one spot and turn on the spray as they build one big cloud on a calm day here in North Carolina as they practice their whether weapons. Im not attacking you on a personal level, Im just making the point that you are clearly just refusing to acknowledge what is all around you, that is your choice of course, but I will not pretend with you, I'm sorry. :p

Hi Fred259,

The same here, I was taught about chemtrails in the early 70's by my grandfather, who was a farmer and was tired of too much rain to be able to farm (his crops and other farmer's crop as well were sinking in water). A whole region was under water for summers in a row and farmers went on the street demonstrating, in the 70's, for the government to stop "seeding the clouds" as they would say. There is even articles from that time mentioning the control of weather through cloud seeding with airplanes, nowadays called chemtrails. The government of the time admitted seeding the clouds in parliament.

see http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6816-Chemtrails-over-the-thumb&p=97131#post97131 post 34

So please Fred, adjust your reading, this is dated knowledge.

There is your evidence Fred. The government even admitted to it. It is understandable to see why you would choose to defend pilots because you surely would not want your occupation to be associated with something like this. You can't just say something doesn't exist, with no evidence of your own to present. There is MUCH more evidence for the existence of chemtrailing then against.

I accept that in the UK during the 1950 and as recently as 1979 the UK military were involved in aerial testing of chemical warfare agents. Likewise in Canada as Flash has indicated in Vancouver and Montreal in and around the 1960s the government were involved in what’s best has described as aerial activities. I have no issues with this.

What I’m specifically referring to is the grossly irresponsible comments on this forum and others were each and everyday members see jet trails in the sky and immediately come out with ridiculous statements without any foundation.

No evidence exists that this activity is taking place at all. These trails are perfectly normal as I have explained in post#42 and frankly if you have it in your mind that these are something else or perhaps more sinister, then I suggest you start accepting this because they won’t be going away.

Supersaturation due to increased air traffic can be said to account for much in terms of "persistent contrails". What I am finding more conclusive is how seemingly from nowhere the skies above me will be awash with jets on erratic occasions. Even if they didn't ALL leave trails which become a cirrus smog, which they do,they,nevertheless are totally anomalous with what is the day to day fare of air traffic here. Science is moot on this point,it is simply logic.

[Fred259]

some serious disinfo going on here. I have watched the sky since the sixties and i know what contrails look like... and let me tell you the stuff they are pumping in the skies every day over my head is not a contrail. We never have blue skies any more, there is always an insidious oily grey scum in the sky. i dont need to be an optician to be able to believe my own eyes!

If you have any evidence then it’s at least worthy of consideration. The fact that non of this exists surely should tell you something.


Hurritt Enyeto.

I’m totally lost and bewildered by your question, this does not happen and further nothing is strapped as you put it? Come on be serious Hurritt, do you have any examples or evidence of this?


[QUOTE=Siberia9;192582]Fred259, I dont know if your just someone who just doesnt want to see the truth or what but if you use this CIA/NSA keyword software they call GOOGLE you find the proof you need. Its endless, its everywhere if you look. Here is an old one from your side of the pond, http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience BTW I was taught about the chemtrailing as a child(I was born IN 1970) you see my family was involved with those government CIA/Spec ops Army/ Illuminati bags a crap. I remember being told about the phones the "spooks" used that had no wires, way back in the 70's. That sounded crazy to me and imposible, but guess what... cell phones are real. Come to think of it, last summer in Suffolk, Va I saw two planes flying 300' apart both spraying the same line of chemtrail mixing in the air. You are a pilot so Im sure you know there is only one group that is allowed to fly that close right? Ive watched them turn the spay on and off as they fly the grid over the city. Ive watched them recently spend all day flying into one spot and turn on the spray as they build one big cloud on a calm day here in North Carolina as they practice their whether weapons. Im not attacking you on a personal level, Im just making the point that you are clearly just refusing to acknowledge what is all around you, that is your choice of course, but I will not pretend with you, I'm sorry. :p

Hi Fred259,

The same here, I was taught about chemtrails in the early 70's by my grandfather, who was a farmer and was tired of too much rain to be able to farm (his crops and other farmer's crop as well were sinking in water). A whole region was under water for summers in a row and farmers went on the street demonstrating, in the 70's, for the government to stop "seeding the clouds" as they would say. There is even articles from that time mentioning the control of weather through cloud seeding with airplanes, nowadays called chemtrails. The government of the time admitted seeding the clouds in parliament.

see http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6816-Chemtrails-over-the-thumb&p=97131#post97131 post 34

So please Fred, adjust your reading, this is dated knowledge.

There is your evidence Fred. The government even admitted to it. It is understandable to see why you would choose to defend pilots because you surely would not want your occupation to be associated with something like this. You can't just say something doesn't exist, with no evidence of your own to present. There is MUCH more evidence for the existence of chemtrailing then against.

I accept that in the UK during the 1950 and as recently as 1979 the UK military were involved in aerial testing of chemical warfare agents. Likewise in Canada as Flash has indicated in Vancouver and Montreal in and around the 1960s the government were involved in what’s best has described as aerial activities. I have no issues with this.

What I’m specifically referring to is the grossly irresponsible comments on this forum and others were each and everyday members see jet trails in the sky and immediately come out with ridiculous statements without any foundation.

No evidence exists that this activity is taking place at all. These trails are perfectly normal as I have explained in post#42 and frankly if you have it in your mind that these are something else or perhaps more sinister, then I suggest you start accepting this because they won’t be going away.

Supersaturation due to increased air traffic can be said to account for much in terms of "persistent contrails". What I am finding more conclusive is how seemingly from nowhere the skies above me will be awash with jets on erratic occasions. Even if they didn't ALL leave trails which become a cirrus smog, which they do,they,nevertheless are totally anomalous with what is the day to day fare of air traffic here. Science is moot on this point,it is simply logic.

I think the people need to appreciate the volume of traffic here, New York terminal will handle 5000+ movements a day. It’s not as high as that in Europe but not far behind either.

[dan i el]

I think the people need to appreciate the volume of traffic here, New York terminal will handle 5000+ movements a day. It’s not as high as that in Europe but not far behind either.

What I can comment on is the regular traffic I see overhead here and not in New York or any other place. As already stated - on erratic occasions an anomalous amount of jets will appear all at once, completely out of place with the usual air traffic here. All will leave trails that become cirrus smog and all will again disappear after 30 to 90 minutes. I have researched this subject for years now and am well aware of the arguments proposed by atmospheric science/aeronautical engineers vis a vi contrails -- what I am talking about is not explained by mainstream scientific analysis nor appeals to consider the sheer volume of air traffic in the 21st century.

[Muzz]

:)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?643-They-re-spraying-Edinburgh-today.&p=192660&viewfull=1#post192660

Muzz, What you have here is a photograph of a dry desert storage facility in Arizona. These aircraft are out of service and probably will never see service again along with a half cocked story with no evidence or anything and this is supposed to constitute fact.

I thought people on this forum were above average intelligence. Do you seriously think this is a credible document.

I thought people on this forum were also above average manners. Come on, tone it down a bit mate. I value your opinion and part of the reason for posting here is so that the more informed (a pilot in your case) can set you straight on stuff.

Id be interested to know your thoughts on this

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20369

Secret Presidential Chemtrail Budget Uncovered, Congress Exceeds Billions To Spray Populace Like Roaches?
http://theintelhub.com/2011/03/30/secret-presidential-chemtrail-budget-uncovered-exceeds-billions-to-spray-populations-like-roaches/

MSM articles

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/aug/30/sillyseason.physicalsciences

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1549366/How-we-made-the-Chernobyl-rain.html

How can you be sure they are not spraying something on us.

Just as well my hearts above average size. :)

[Hervé]

All right, here is an article taking up this issue from a totally different point of view and quite comprehensive.

I hope it may loosen up perspectives from possible entrenchments:

chemtrails-contrails-strange-skies (https://www.sott.net/article/221199-Chemtrails-Contrails-Strange-Skies)

[Fred259]

Where is the evidence selinam. Where is the research? If a proper credible document can be produced from any government or research establishment, then obviously it must be evaluated. At the moment none of this exists.

You don't go to the fox guarding the hen house to ask if the chickens are safe. If the only information you value is produced by the government or their academic shills whose lively hood depends on government grants then there is little that will satisfy you in the way of evidence. Having said that, I don't believe all evidence from alternative sources is necessarily valid either.

Frankly I would rather see a scientific report of this activity from a scientist or an academic rather than from a bunch of disinformation artists.

So where is the evidence? What you are looking at are contrails, and now a whole industry of disinformation has evolved that frightens the public into something that doesn’t even exist.

I keep asking where is the evidence. It doesn’t exist, its all in people’s minds!

Again, no amount of evidence will satisfy you if, by your own words, it doesn't come from a scientist or academic. There is plenty of evidence in books, articles, videos and on the net some of which were written by scientists and academics, but one must have an open mind and actually do the research for themselves. Judging from what you've written so far, I suspect you have neither.

OK then just produce any evidence. In post 17 the video is of an atmospheric research aircraft. Everything in the video is 100% correct. The voiceover is 100% disinformation and lies. The aircraft is used for atmospheric research probably by scientists at a university. What’s wrong is the video has been stolen and the voiceover is 100% lies referring to the aircraft as a Chemtrail aircraft, when in fact its an atmospheric research aircraft.
As I stated earlier, I don't necessarily believe everything I read (i.e., the video in #17 doesn't impress me--although I'd be interested to hear how you know with 100% certainty that the "voiceover" is, in fact, a voice-over and that it is 100% disinformation based on your singular data point of it being stated it was a "Chemtrail aircraft").

While I don't have photographic memory or keep a database on all the material I've read, listened to, or watched, and I make no claims as to the validity of the information I've provided below, I offer it for those who would like some place to start their research or who would just like more information about "persistent contrails" (aka chemtrails).

Patent for atmospheric chemical spraying to reduce UV radiation (1994-02-15):
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=3&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=5003186&OS=5003186&RS=5003186

Welsbach Patent (5,003,186) for Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding for reduction of global warming (1991-03-26)
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5,003,186.PN.&OS=PN/5,003,186&RS=PN/5,003,186

USC Title 50 Chapter 32 on Chemical and Biological Warfare (revised 2010-02-01):
http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/50C32.txt -- (of particular interest section 1520a)

Atlanta Progressive News investigation (2011-02-13):
http://www.atlantaprogressivenews.com/interspire/news/2011/02/13/persistent-plane-contrails-cover-atlanta-skies-raise-concerns.html

North Florida Gulf Skywatch information on chemtrails:
http://saive.com/BELFORT.html

William Thomas’ book Chemtrails Confirmed! (2004-08):
http://www.amazon.com/Chemtrails-Confirmed-William-Thomas/dp/1893157105/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1302213714&sr=8-1

Study: Persistent Contrails (Chemtrails?) Indeed Produced by Non-Regular Air Traffic (2010-03-06):
http://genesgreenbook.com/content/study-persistent-contrails-chemtrails-indeed-produced-non-regular-air-traffic

Trail Research Report by M Steadham (2001-01-20):
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/report.shtml

The aircraft I the video in #17 is a Gulfstream 1 atmospheric scientific aircraft. The picture shows tubes and pipes perturbing from the side of the cabin. The Muppet doing the voiceover wants you to believe these are for spraying chemicals. No. the tubes are for measuring static and dynamic pressure using Bernoulli’s thorium. http://microgravity.grc.nasa.gov/education/rocket/bern.html


The cabin is full of test and evaluation equipment. The aircraft and video is 100% genuine, however the voiceover is fake. Because it’s got plumbing and pipes sticking out the side of the cabin they are tricking you into thinking this is for chemtrailing.

The very fact this video is available and the effort they have gone to makes me angry, who are these bas*****, and further proves that they are trying to scare the population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli's_principle

Most of these sites relate to military test and evaluation protocols in some cases dating back to 1965. Im not talking about military Im referring to jet trails in the skies today that are considered to be Chemtrails.

This site isn’t bad it to a degree confirms what I’m posting. They do refer to eight aircraft during the trial that had no flight plan. This is not normal I have to say, but equally it doesn’t mean they are up to anything sinister.
The photograph on the front of the site is an Air Force mid air refueling track, which is normal but is misleading as the reader doesn’t necessary know this.

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/report.shtml


I agree with this statement in the Atlanta Progressive News. It’s responsible and confirms what I’m saying.

“For a contrail to form, suitable conditions must occur immediately behind a jet engine in the expanding engine exhaust plume. A contrail will form if, as the exhaust gases cool and mix with surrounding air, the humidity becomes high enough (or, equivalently, the air temperature becomes low enough) for liquid water to condense on particles and form liquid droplets. If the local air is cold enough, these newly formed droplets then freeze and form ice particles that make up a contrail," the report states”.

"Because the basic processes are very well understood, contrail formation for a given aircraft flight can be accurately predicted if atmospheric temperature and humidity conditions are known. After the initial formation of ice, a contrail evolves in one of two ways. If the humidity is low, the contrail will be short-lived. Newly formed ice particles will quickly evaporate. The resulting contrail will extend only a short distance behind the aircraft," the report states.

"If the humidity is high, the contrail will be persistent. Newly formed ice particles will continue to grow in size by taking water from the surrounding atmosphere. The resulting lineshaped contrail extends for large distances behind an aircraft. Persistent contrails can last for hours while growing to several kilometers in width and 200 to 400 meters in height. Contrails spread because of air turbulence created by the passage of aircraft, differences in wind speed along the flight track, and possibly through effects of solar heating," the report states.

http://www.atlantaprogressivenews.com/interspire/news/2011/02/13/persistent-plane-contrails-cover-atlanta-skies-raise-concerns.html

[Patrikas]

Been following this post a lil and thought i would contribute a lil with a couple of links with "annonomalous" physical findings which seem to be connected to chemtrails morgellans etc......i havent checked out the whole site it would take too much time but the time i did spend in it was facinating to say the least and i think it may add a little piece of the much bigger puzzle concerning the area of chemtrail and where it fits in concerning the health of our physical immune system ....and perhaps that of the entire Earths as well if you wanna take it deeper IMHO MMS will definately assist as will other methods........Thanx Stay Well

Link for Video concerning " Chemtrail-Morgellans -Nano- Bio-Pathogen " type investigations
http://www.carnicom.com/morgvid1.htm

Link to Aerosol Crimes site
http://www.carnicom.com/

[Fred259]

:)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?643-They-re-spraying-Edinburgh-today.&p=192660&viewfull=1#post192660

Muzz, What you have here is a photograph of a dry desert storage facility in Arizona. These aircraft are out of service and probably will never see service again along with a half cocked story with no evidence or anything and this is supposed to constitute fact.

I thought people on this forum were above average intelligence. Do you seriously think this is a credible document.

I thought people on this forum were also above average manners. Come on, tone it down a bit mate. I value your opinion and part of the reason for posting here is so that the more informed (a pilot in your case) can set you straight on stuff.

Id be interested to know your thoughts on this

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20369

Secret Presidential Chemtrail Budget Uncovered, Congress Exceeds Billions To Spray Populace Like Roaches?
http://theintelhub.com/2011/03/30/secret-presidential-chemtrail-budget-uncovered-exceeds-billions-to-spray-populations-like-roaches/

MSM articles

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/aug/30/sillyseason.physicalsciences

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1549366/How-we-made-the-Chernobyl-rain.html

How can you be sure they are not spraying something on us.

Just as well my hearts above average size. :)

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The first link is scaremongering. They feature this picture that I’ve seen elsewhere. They want you to believe that this aircraft is flying around over your house spraying you, and that those are Chemtrails.

Its rubbish. The first thing to do is don’t look at the sky, rather look at the trees. Notice how the leaves are dead, so this tells you its winter. The temp at ground level will therefore be cold, it might even be freezing we don’t know, but one thing that’s absolutely undeniable is that temperature decreases at 3 degrees per thousand feet in a stable atmosphere. The atmosphere in the picture is stable and the temp could be -50C where those trails are.

This is a holding stack over a navigational aid probably in England probable around London so it could be Windsor or Bovingdon, Biggin Hill perhaps and aircraft enter this stack and descent while flying a race track. If you look carefully you can see the bottom end of the race track.

In general simple terms each leg is one minute and is flown on a stopwatch followed by what’s called a rate one turn for 60 seconds, followed by south for another 60 seconds another rate one turn for 60 seconds then north for 60 seconds back to the navigational aid. So this is a holding stack. The wind will be westerly which has caused the Contrails to blow towards the east.

If the atmospheric conditions are right it will look like that all day.

The other sites Muzz are talking about military rain trials and weather making. We can’t do anything about that, what I’m trying to get over is that BA and Easyjet have no means available to them to eject anything from an aircraft let alone chemicals.

Your other pictures of upper level traffic you will see most days around 10.00 to 14.00 UTC are European carriers routing over you from Frankfurt, Amsterdam and Zurich and heading up towards the Western Islands of Scotland and then into the SLOP and over the Atlantic. Arriving in Bangor or Gander they split with eastern traffic heading south towards Philadelphia and western traffic heading down over Canada and Lake Michigan towards the thumb. 2000+ per day will do this every day so appreciate that’s something like 6,000 engines going over Gander each day, pulling contrails……that is if the atmospheric conditions permit. It’s the same in Cheshire England, Holland Frankfurt and around the world. If you have high volume traffic you are going to get serious trailing.

[Patrikas]

Frequency induced disease from a chemtrail delivery system?
link
http://www.carnicom.com/bio2011-3.htm

[Fred259]

All right, here is an article taking up this issue from a totally different point of view and quite comprehensive.

I hope it may losen up perspectives from possible entrenchments:

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2011/01/chemtrails-contrails-strange-skies.html

Indeed it’s a good article she uses known terminology and known scientific explanations. It’s refreshing to see some sense rather than the usual mumbo jumbo.

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Frequency induced disease from a chemtrail delivery system?
link
http://www.carnicom.com/bio2011-3.htm

What is a Chemtrail delivery system? Where is it? How does it work?

[dan i el]

Rayleigh scattering and variant humidity above the Tropopause does not adequately account for the sudden appearance of many jets (as I have already described) at presumably, differing altitudes, ALL leaving persistent trails which diffuse into a Cirrus smog.

Seeing as you posit yourself as an expert, Fred, please feel free to address my concerns. Thanks.

[Patrikas]

All right, here is an article taking up this issue from a totally different point of view and quite comprehensive.

I hope it may losen up perspectives from possible entrenchments:

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2011/01/chemtrails-contrails-strange-skies.html

Indeed it’s a good article she uses known terminology and known scientific explanations. It’s refreshing to see some sense rather than the usual mumbo jumbo.

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Frequency induced disease from a chemtrail delivery system?
link
http://www.carnicom.com/bio2011-3.htm

What is a Chemtrail delivery system? Where is it? How does it work?

Hi fred,
i have just been reading the info on your posted links and the previous post to Muzz......and id like to say the info was and interesting read so thanks.......you will surley note that the link you quoted me in had a "question" mark after it which purportedly means or can be interpreted as an indication to use personal discernment ......being concerned myself for the general state of things happening "in" and around "all" of us here on earth at the present time i thought i would perhaps try to link some facts together and share them here on the forum .......as to your questions i think you could answer them for yourself with some thought .......and if it doesent fit for you thats ok, leave it , perhaps someone else will find some value in it .
From my own point of view there is definately something going on when i look to the sky here in nova scotia and round the world that wasnt there as i was growing up so to me thats a definately worth looking into , what the whole story is im not sure, but there are annomolys everywhere that require answers for understanding so that correct action can be taken..for the systematic bombardment of , in this case the immune system of "every" living thing upon this planet including yourself.......stay well

[mondaze]

i'm pretty sure they used to mix heavy metals (lead) in with petrol for at least 30 years... How do I know, well apart from the fact they advertised the fact, i did the research. I took the samples from grass besides the motorway and found surprisingly that lead was there is high concentrations. My point is that if you have the metals mixed in with avaition fuel you do not need any delivery system just burn the fuel! methinks some people do protest too much!

[loveandgratitude]

Citizen Drafts Bill to Prohibit Chemtrail Poisonings & Inhumane Weaponry
(Requires Urgent Delivery to Treasonous Weasels Occupying U.S. Congress)

By R. Michael Castle
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/unifiedatmosphericpreservatrionact04mar08.shtml
March 4, 2008

Citizen Drafts Bill to Prohibit Chemtrail Poisonings & Inhumane Weaponry (May 9, 2008)

The Unified Atmospheric Preservation Act
Revised March 4, 2008

6733

Author: R. Michael Castle

Written in Plain, understandable English
Preamble

“ We the People, Demanding this Civil Law, Prohibiting the utilization of aerial deployments regarding aerosolized chemicals or biological agents and/or Bio-Chemical Mutations banning for any purpose in the North American Continent Airspaces, as has been used for United States Global Warming Mitigation, Climate Change and/or Weather Modification Programs which are deployed into the unified atmosphere over the United States or Canada.

Continued ChemTrails Spraying will result in irreparable, long term, toxic and heavy-metal poisoning of the populace. This Preservation and Protection extends to prevention of contamination via toxic fall-out onto the infinite environment of the United States and Canada, which includes our Air-Column, Land masses, rivers, lakes, and Ground- waters, forests and seas and all Foods. There are NO current Laws or Rules protecting our atmosphere and upper-atmosphere from these forms of toxic contamination, ChemTrails, Aerosolized Contaminants, Weapons all. This Environmental Terrorism must and Will End.”

Attention Congress People and Elected Officials. This Draft-Law Document has been written, ‘By the People’ that will stop and halt all ChemTrails bombardment and the literal poisoning of the Earth’s Breathable Air Column. This subject shall not be debated, UAPA8 is a Civil Complaint and Demand to the United States Congress for Protection of all Life Form’s Breathable Air Column, Life and Liberty.

Written By the People in ‘plain-Civil and simple, understandable English language so all can understand exactly of what is expected of the US Congress in this Air Emergency-matter. There will be zero- respect given to any official protocols of preparation for this Document, or Submittal(s) thereof; This Document fully states Our Demands.

UAPA8

A proposed Law that effectively bans and forever prohibits the deployment or otherwise released, into or onto the Earth’s Natural Atmospheric/Stratospheric column:

This Law will prohibit-the-forming or Act as an Instrument for dissolution targeting the US Weather Control Board or Agency; Weather Manipulation is a part of identified function and purpose of the toxic chemicals and biological mutation agents, therefore, Weather Modification and Control will be prohibited due to the absolute toxicity profile of the agents used for manipulation, management or controls.
Congress Shall Make and Pass This Law that will:

1. Banning mixtures (any Organic or Inorganic chemicals or compounds, elements of the Periodic Table, gases, solids or plasmas) of chemical materials known as “chaff” from military training operations. Ceasing the operation of Chemical trails (ChemTrails) that occlude sunlight. Weather
2. modifications or any combination of chemical biological mixtures used for any purpose are expressly prohibited;
1. “Cloud Seeding” and Atmospheric/Stratospheric “seeding” technology that utilizes chemicals, gases, synthetic filament carriers or biological substances such as pseudomonas strain germ or mutations thereof, or any sort for the purpose of weather manipulation/modification, such as precipitation, drought, cyclonic, ultra-violet, infra-red heat or cosmic storm managements.
2. Electro-Magnetic radiation/radio and SCALAR or plasmic energy waves generated, HAARP’s Array, Cell-Tower transmitted, propagated, reflected or otherwise articulated into a focused beam or pattern that has the intended purpose of manipulating Weather-systems, causing Droughts, heating Weather-systems or otherwise energizing, or utilized in a mixed waveform of Mind-Control, experimental or operational.

a. These banned Weapons wave form shall include: Microwave spectrum, Acoustic and Sonic spectrum, including Infra spectra to lowest base-sonic range and all in between, Extreme- Low Frequency (ELF) to magnitude Extreme High Frequency spectrum, all energies Waveform between these EMF points of magnitude, all energies traveling through any portion of Atmosphere, Bedrock or Waters, or reflected back to the planet’s surface for intent and purposes described herein.
b. Focused or spatial-bleed of radiations would result in total and cumulative radiation dosages resultant in cellular damages to Humans and the Environment of Plant and Animal Kingdoms. The use of such technologies exceeds pre-set EMR thresholds and limitations and is therefore, banned from use.
c. Specifically banned are SCALAR-ELF Energies used for Psychotronicweaponry for Mind-Control, Behaviors-manipulation, Brain-dimming or other forms of ‘classified’ Weaponry used experimentally or Operationally, anywhere on the Earth.

4. Vaccines of any types are banned, deployed into or unto the Atmospheric/Stratospheric Air Column. Bio-controls deployed aerially are expressly banned and prohibited from usage that has any mixtures of chemicals or biological materials. Bio-controls containing genetically engineered microbes or biological life forms, natural or genetically engineered are banned and prohibited, expressly banned are any Nano-technologies and devices, genetically mutated, self-replicating, synthetic propagation and/or attached to fungal-forms, bacterium’s or any combinations thereof, for any reason or purposes.

Prohibition of Aerial-dispensed Pesticides, Herbicides, Fungicides, Pheromones, Hormones, Pollens or seeds of GMO’s (Genetically Mutated Organisms)-Banning ‘all’ aerially deployed or dispensed pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, artificial pheromones, hormones, Animal or Human intended vaccines. An independent Environmental Impact Study must be conducted prior to considerations of Agricultural spraying of any sort and which must include all negative effects of Genetically Mutated species on all Life Forms within a 100 Mile radius of the potentially effected area. Due to previous and widespread misuse and mis-management by Governmental Agencies, USDA and rampant abuse of Aerial-spraying of these chemical and biological toxins, here-to-fore, all rights or authority is herein rescinded. >a.) All Prohibitions and Bans herein described are expressly focused at any

a) State or Federally- Approved Contractor of the United States Government, Military

or

Agencies Corporate-Military Partnerships, International Contractors or New World Order Contractors or Agencies of Government(s) are hereby prohibited and shall be fully enforceable under Criminal Prosecution by a State’s or Federal Court and will be subject to ‘War-Crimes Against Humanity charges and Indictments.

5. Emergency Investigation Funding-$8.0 Million to commence an Investigation to access the magnitude of Environmental damages that have already occurred by the criminal and illegal spraying, deployment or otherwise released toxic materials described herein, into and onto the North American Continental Air Column and the entire Earth’s Air Column. This Emergency investigation will have far-reaching effects with intent to hold all Government, Military, Federally Approved Contractors, Corporate-Military Partnerships, all Foreign entities, US Agencies and personnel, accountable for the purposeful and Criminal release of extremely toxic agents into the Unified Air Column. Probable Criminal prosecution by a Civil United States Court of Law or future Authority, or a Special Prosecutor assigned by the Ranking Congressional Authority. This is an integral part of the Unified Atmospheric Preservation Act of 2008.
7. International Coordination and Treaty by the Directives of this Bill,

the Ranking United States Congressperson shall seek International cooperation through the coordination of all bans and prohibitions set forth in this Legislation, serving as the model and primer for Global Protection of the precious Unified Atmosphere/Stratosphere surrounding this Earth.

a.)The Congress shall engage, through the US State Department, in International discussions for the enjoinment of the Protections and Preservations set forth in the Unified Atmospheric Preservation Act of 2008 as Model for an International Treaty for the prohibition and banning of ‘all’ aerosolized chemicals or biological agents

and/or genetically engineered life-forms contaminations of Earth, released into the Unified Atmosphere or Stratosphere of the entire planet.

Purpose:

Emergency-level Cessation, prohibition and banning of‘ ‘all’ aerial dispensement of any chemical/biological/electromagnetic treatments, deployments, managements, modification or manipulation of the Unified Atmosphere/Stratosphere and Air-Column above the North American Continent or any Global portion thereof, via any artificial means, for any and all purposes.

Scope: A vote by the citizens of the United States of America through our elected United States House of Representatives, the US Congress and the United States Senate, with the signature of the President of the United States, this legal and binding authorization would put a ban and prohibit the purposeful release of any organic/inorganic chemicals, compounds, elements such as heavy metal aerosol particulates, polymer filaments, dipoles of metallized glass or crystalline compositions. This would include vaccines; bio-controls of genetically altered biological life forms. This Law will effectively abate all fallout (back-toearth), aerial-released chemicals, biological materials, extraneous and spatial reflected electromagnetic radiation.

Section 1. This Law shall ban and prohibit the intentional and purposeful release of all chemical and biological substances into the Unified Atmosphere including the upper atmosphere/stratosphere. Current laws and International treaties do NOT recognize, prohibit or regulate atmospheric/stratospheric releases of chemicals, elements, Focused Radiant-Energies or biological materials which are used in Global Warming Mitigation/Climate Change schemes, all clandestine, Weather-Modification(s), Climate change or other biosphere mitigation strategies OR Vaccines, secret-operations carried out by Corporate-Military Contractors, Foreign Governments or entities of any of the above. This specifically includes the U.S. Government, Branches of the recognized US Military or any Agency Appointee.

These substances and agents currently fall back to Earth, mostly as ‘spentwastes’ from Illegal ChemTrails Operations with results of widespread chemical and heavy-metal contamination of breathable air, food, water supplies (including groundwaters), foliage and fauna as well as Humans suffering toxic effects, infestations of Humans and animals via an aberrant, Black-Op Self-Replicating Nano-Technologies. The release of toxic substances will be causative of chemical poisoning and toxicity to the infinite environment and humankind as a whole.

This Law is intended to interrupt and impede current and all future practices of artificial/man-made aerial releases or deployment(s) of various chemicals, which cause residual “fall-out” of pollutants that will descend to the earth’s surface, will be absorbed, inhaled or systemically be causative of genetic and cellular damages, heretofore not regulated nor managed and conducted illegally and clandestine.

Section 2. This Law is designed to intercede and bring to immediate cessation any and all current and future operations. To also ban and prohibit deploying of aerosolized polymer filaments, chemical technologies, climate changing/weather modification/manipulation chemicals, and EMR energy-excited operations for the further cause of Global Warming Mitigation. To declare an immediate national moratorium on the deployment or use of Global Warming Mitigation technologies that are intended to artificially shield the Earth’s surface from ultra-violet and cosmic radiation or in-situ reparations of the ozone or ionospheric layers in the unified atmosphere/stratosphere.

i) United Nations General Assembly Resolution 31/72, TIAS 9614 Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques"
ii) Federal statute 15 USC § 330 (enacted 1971) requires reporting of weather modification to the Secretary of Commerce.

Section 3. Vaccine Prohibition - Prohibits the aerial release of any artificial vaccine en-masse onto segments of the human or animal species. This encompasses chemical or biological experimentation on humans until such a time when exacting, exhaustive public, civil and private-sector medical/scientific studies can prove the overall benefit(s) to humans and the environment. To also inform the Public of the acute/chronic effects that the vaccines will have on humanity and Mother Earth.

No Agency of the United States, including the U.S. Military shall have the authority or official capacity to dispense, deploy or otherwise released into any Natural or synthetic medium, of any mass-vaccine(s) onto/into the Civil-Military or Animal/Creature kingdoms, populaces. Specifically, the President of neither the United States nor the Secretary of Defense may order mass aerial vaccines be deployed unless a Declaration of War has been declared by the United States Congress upon the targets of the Vaccines.

Section 4. Document Languages/Vectors/Modalities and Standards

Human Health Risk Assessments, Environmental Impact Statements, Public and Civil Disclosures shall be written in languages, statistics, data and vocabularies that common people, educated and uneducated and citizens of the United States of America may read, hear or otherwise be informed of; to understand any transmitted communication on the subject(s) of this Law.

All information pertaining to the Unified Atmospheric Preservation Law shall be the responsibility and duty of the U.S. Congress and/or the County Sherriff of each County within the United States, for collection and transmittal or disbursement of this Law to the public, State Elected Officials, Municipal or Township Officials. The public notification(s) will commence upon this becoming a Law of the Land and Air. Public observations of ChemTrails being sprayed into our Atmosphere will set forth Enforcement and Interdiction to have the County Sheriff arrest the violators for future Criminal Prosecutions.

The CountySheriff is the only Elected Law Enforcement Official as referenced by the United States Constitution. The Government of the United States , Agency and Military have demonstrated hostile actions upon the Populace and the Environment and therefore cannot be Trusted in any aspects of compliance with this Law.

This Law will ensure that pre-deployment knowledge, derived from toxicological and integrative research of Earth’s Bio-spherical/Geo-spherical system sciences with disclosure(s) of all Human Health Risks and Environmental Impact factors, be in compliance with the prohibitions and directives contained herein, for any current or future countermeasure technology considerations.

These Standards will prohibit the utilization of HAARPS (Tesla/Eastlund), High-Energy technologies and plasmas transmissions to orbiting geo-stationary satellite receivers and re-transmitting to the Earth's surface. Also prohibits reflected high dosage sources of microwave, Extreme Low Frequency (ELF), Ultra-Low Frequency (ULF) and Electromagnetic Radar/Airborne Chemical synergism Interface via the ionosphere.

I, Richard M Castle do hereby Waive any benefits or assistances.

I, _______________
"We, the People, shall prevail"

DRAFT

Prepared and authored by Richard M. Castle, Columbus, Ohio, USA
December 7, 2003 Revised May 2005
Revised March 14, 2008
Instructions

To all Recipients of this DRAFT Law ‘The Unified Atmospheric Preservation Act of 2008’, Copy and take to City Councils, Township, Counties Officials, the elected County Sheriff, States Representatives, Congresspersons and Senators. Always send Certified US MAIL.

Sign your Legal Name on all copies you receive as this will suffice the same as a Petition.

I, the Author of this Document, Richard Michael Castle hereby Sign this Draft of UAPA8 and do hereby, Swear that I am a Citizen of these United States of America.

“I Pray These Protections of Life Will Be Forged’
Signature
Richard M, Castle March 15, 2008

[loveandgratitude]

Chemtrails: Suppression of Human Evolution

By Montalk <montalk@hotmail.com>
http://educate-yourself.org/mnt/ctsuppressionhumanevolution29sep00.shtml
Sept. 29, 2000

The author has monitored the chemtrail situation for the past year and a half, but refrained from writing an article about it until adequate data had been gathered to formulate a viable theory that was both original and more explanatory than any other out there. This theory was wrought both by contradiction and by positive proof. In other words, it exists because other explanations do not hold water. The impossible is eliminated, and what is left over, no matter how improbable, must be close to the truth. In this article, sample references will be given as positive proof, and the contradictory evidence shall be summarized below. Note that the sample references are merely samples, and not which this article's validity hinges upon.

Three Faulty Theories Seeking to Explain Chemtrails
Chemtrails are unusually persistent airplane contrails with impacts upon weather and the health of those exposed to chemtrail fallout. They have been sighted in many countries and during all hours of the day and night, though chemtrail spraying usually begins early in the morning and slows in the evening. Air crafts involved in this phenomenon are commercial and military planes, the latter identifiable by traveling in areas and directions otherwise restricted for commercial flights.

As pointed out in Stan and Holly Deyo's May 31'st Newsletter, there are three major theories concerning an explanation of the chemtrail phenomenon:

1) weather modification
2) mass inoculation
3) population control

These theories do not adequately explain the range of data gathered.

Weather Modification
The weather modification theory arises from two clues, first that increasing cloudiness and precipitation sometimes occurs after a day of spraying, and second that EDB (ethylene dibromide or dibromethane) has been found in chemtrail fallout. Ethylene dibromide has similar effects on cloud formation as silver iodide, a chemical normally used in cloud seeding.

But this theory does not explain the presence of genetically engineered viruses and bacteria in chemtrail residue, or the resulting epidemic of flu-like symptoms.

If anything, EDB serves partly as a condensation nuclei around which water vapor in the atmosphere can condense, making thick chemtrails visible for satellite tracking.

Mass Inoculation
The mass inoculation theory is more viable, as aerosol dispersion of vaccines is certainly possible as mentioned in a previous post. The government has put effort into vaccinating its military forces against anthrax. Supposedly, chemtrails are an attempt to vaccinate the entire population against anthrax.

But why would anthrax be the only agent, if not the major one, used in such an attack? There are others just as effective and easily dispersible. And with all the exposure of our bioterrorism efforts to protect against anthrax, what terrorist group would be dumb enough to choose something military forces, and possibly with chemtrails the entire population, are already vaccinated against?

The government is suspiciously certain that anthrax will be the method of choice, implying factions within, and not domestic or foreign terrorists, will be the initiators of such an attack.

Furthermore, spraying is occurring worldwide. Foreign governments are putting money and risk into spraying their respective populations. Since America would be the target of any such attack, spraying the rest of the world is a waste of money and time. Fact is, biological attacks are too localized an event to account for global spraying.

The secrecy of the chemtrail phenomenon puts it into the domain of black budget projects and shadow government operations. It is unwise to claim that the shadow government (the same one responsible for the Gulf War Syndrome cover-up, dangerous biological testing upon unsuspecting American citizens, avocation of fluoride in public water supplies, forceful suppression of alternative medicinal and technological inventions, electronic harassment of dissenters, and murder of whistle blowers) is spraying Joe Schmoe in Oklahoma just so that he can live and contribute to the overpopulation problem.

Overpopulation
Which brings us to the point of overpopulation. If the world's population is indeed to be reduced as drastically as demanded by the World Health Organization and the World Wildlife Fund among many, people need to die, not just stop reproducing. Supposedly, chemtrails are an effort to accomplish this.

Single agent spraying, whereby what's being applied now to the population will eventually kill them, is unlikely. Right now, people are recovering from chemtrail induced sickness. If single agent spraying was indeed the method, more people would be dead by now. And even with an agent possessing delayed lethality, the variability in immune responses among affected persons would result in some dying prematurely. Since chemtrail related deaths have been extremely low, the possibility of chemtrails containing delayed single agents is equally low.

Double agent spraying is another possibility. One benign agent is applied now, and its combination with an activator in the future would turn it lethal. The activator can be anything from another biological or chemical substances to electromagnetic fields such as those potentially generated by HAARP. The electromagnetic method is pure speculation and thus considered unlikely.

Applying the activator agent would result only in the deaths of those affected by the benign agent. This is a lot of work, hassle, and risk compared to just applying a single agent at that time and skipping ever having to deal with a benign agent. Why do double agent spraying and take the risk with visible chemtrails and whistle blowers now, when you can keep everything clandestine until that final day when you apply a lethal single application?

Double agent spraying is obviously not the method employed. Since single agent spraying has been discounted above, the "population control" theory does not hold.

With these major chemtrail theories discounted, a new theory is required to fit the data.

There are three pieces, chemtrails, gene therapy, and mass human mutation, that when put together, give rise to the following theory. So, let's take a look at the pieces of the puzzle in detail.

Piece 1: The Chemtrails
From the many analyses performed upon chemtrail residue samples and listed on the web, the following substances have been gathered and listed here (as mentioned in such sources as http://www.egroups.com/message/fr2/126? , http://www.carnicom.com/bio1.htm, and http://members.tripod.com/conspiracy2/contrailsanalyzed.htm)

1) Ethylene dibromide (dibromethane) - Banned in 1984 by the EPA, EDB (C2H4Br2) is a carcinogenic fuel additive and insecticide with a chloroform-like odor. It is claimed similar to silver iodide, which was once used for cloud seeding and weather modification purposes. When absorbed, EDB causes central nervous system depression and pulmonary edema, which is fluid accumulation in the lungs. Symptoms of pulmonary edema include shortness of breath, anxiety, wheezing, and coughing. It is extremely irritant to mucous membranes and the respiratory tract.

2) Pseudomonas aeruginosa - A common hardy bacteria that can be found in dirt (suggesting possible contamination of chemtrail ground samples) but commonly genetically engineered by companies as PathoGenesis for various purposes. The natural strains have been found to contaminate hospitals and drinking water. When inhaled into immunosuppressed lungs such as those of victims with cystic fibrosis, forms slime clusters called biofilms which are virtual bunkers against immune system defenses and antibiotics. It can transfer horizontally, meaning between species, genetic information to the host via transduction and conjugation. Conjugation involves the bacteria injecting a genetic package called a plasmid via a 'handshake' into a host cell, which receives it and in effect makes it a part of its own DNA. Transduction is similar, but instead of the bacteria sending a plasmid into the host, it sends bacteriophages (viruses) that contain some of the original bacteria's DNA and implants it within the host's DNA.

3) Pseudomonas fluorescens - another strain of the Pseudomonas variety found most often in soil and on plants. On plants, it produces antibiotics which shield the plant from fungal and bacterial infections. Most likely a contaminant in the analysis.

4) Enterobacteriaceae - Includes E.coli and salmonella which are culprits in cases of food poisoning. Most interesting of the Enterobacteriaceae family is the Klebsiella genus, whose species is responsible for pneumonia infections.

5) Serratia marcescens - a dangerous pathogen that can cause pneumonia.

This link reports that

"One of the biggest experiments involved the use of Serratia marcescens being sprayed over San Francisco. This organism is especially nice because it produces a red/pink pigment when grown on certain media, which makes identification very easy. At one point, 5000 particles/minute were sprayed from the coastal areas inward. During this time, 1 man died(in the hospital) and 10 others became infected in what was described as "a mystery to doctors." Although the military never did many follow up studies on these tests, one results was that it showed nearly every single person became infected with the test organism. In hindsight, now that some of this information has become declassified, it's been shown that during periods following spraying tests, there were 5-10 times the normal infections reported."

Visit this link from the Canadian Intelligence Security Service to view more information on the San Fransisco 1950 biological testing. In summary, the military released Serratia marcescens upon the San Fransisco population to test the effectiveness of a terrorist bio-attack. Following this was an outbreak of pneumonia which killed on man.

9) Streptomyces - "Streptomycetes are used to produce the majority of antibiotics applied in human and veterinary medicine and agriculture, as well as anti-parasitic agents, herbicides, pharmacologically active metabolites (e.g. immuno-suppressants) "

10) A restriction enzyme used in research labs to snip and combine DNA -- such an enzyme cleaves open DNA and allows desired segments to be inserted before recombining.

11) Other bacteria and toxic molds capable of producing heart disease, encephalitis, meningitis, as well as acute upper respiratory and gastrointestinal distress.

It is known that within three days of a particular heavy spraying, outbreaks of respiratory illnesses occur in the exposed population. Some develop pneumonia, others colds, flu-like symptoms, and depressed immune functions. Instances of meningitis and encephalitis have also increased in correlation with sprayings.

Note that no viruses are listed above. This is because viruses are difficult to detect in the laboratory, much less identify. However, most of the resulting illnesses do not respond to antibiotics, suggesting their causes are indeed viral. From points made later in this article, such viruses are most likely retroviruses such as the adenovirus for use in sinister gene 'therapy.'

It has been discussed what is in chemtrails, but how particularly are they generated and for what reasons?

Account of an Airline Mechanic
An airline mechanic describes his accidental discovery of a commercial plane's chemtrail pumping system:

...When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right. There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there. At first I assumed that the system had been changed. It had been 10 years since I had worked on one. As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system.
...The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment I had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before.

...The system had 1 large and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment but it looked like the large tank could hold 50 gallons.

Later is a response from an airline manager concerning Project Cloverleaf:

"...Airline companies in America have been participating in something called Project Cloverleaf for a few years now. The earliest date anyone remembers being briefed on it is 1998. I was briefed on it in 1999.
...They told us that the government was going to pay our airline, along with others, to release special chemicals from commercial aircraft.

When asked what the chemicals were and why we were going to spray them, they told us that information was given on a need-to-know basis and we weren't cleared for it. They then went on to state that the chemicals were harmless, but the program was of such importance that it needed to be done at all costs. When we asked them why didn't they just rig military aircraft to spray these chemicals, they stated that there weren't enough military aircraft available to release chemicals on such a large basis as needs to be done. That's why Project Cloverleaf was initiated, to allow commercial airlines to assist in releasing these chemicals into the atmosphere.

Someone asked one of the G-men then if the chemicals are harmless, why not tell the public what the chemicals are and why we are spraying them? He seemed perturbed at this question and told us in a tone of authority that the public doesn't need to know what's going on, but that this program is in their best interests."

The veracity of these comments are uncertain, but with other circumstantial evidence at hand, they appear to be truthful. They suggest that for at least the past two years, commercial airlines have participated in dispersing unknown substances during regular flight, unbeknownst to all but the waste disposal mechanics and need-to know staff.

How Chemtrails are Dispersed
Next comes the question of how exactly chemtrails are dispersed. This was hinted at in the airline mechanic's account of seeing three tanks containing liquid. The purpose of these three tanks is evident when present patented technology is taken into account.

Here is the abstract of patent # 03994437:

A method and apparatus are provided for evenly disseminating by broadcast techniques trace quantities of biologically active chemicals such as nutrients, insecticides, fungicides, growth regulators and the like. The biologically active chemical is encapsulated in a microdispenser such as a filamentary conduit of regulated cross-section and length. The filled microdispensers are then metered into a moving carrier fluid stream, preferably air, and the carrier fluid containing the microdispensers is then evenly dispensed throughout the area. In an alternate preferred embodiment, the microdispensers are coated with a second material which may be either another biologically active material or a sticker for attaching the microdispenser to living organisms such as plants or animals. The method and apparatus is also applicable to biologically active chemicals contained in laminated microdispenser structures for dissemination and release.

In the actual patent, however, the author states that the fiber sizes are quite large, with inside diameters of 7-50 mils and lengths of two inches. These sizes he states, are preferred, though not limiting numbers. It is possible that this technology has been updated to produce microfilaments such as the 'cobwebs' seen falling from the sky after chemtrail sprayings.

What's important is the encapsulation of biologically active materials in a polymer coating. The minimum number of liquids to accomplish this is three, two to form polymers such as polyesters, polyolefins, acrylics, modacrylics, polyamides upon reaction during mixing with one another, and the third being the biologically active liquid. Another patent entitled "ENCAPSULATION BY INTERFACIAL POLYCONDENSATION" 3577515, describes this process perfectly.

Overview of the Chemtrail Phenomenon
Chemtrails appear worldwide, though it has been claimed that none have been sighted in China. The author has personally witnessed them in Germany. Although chemtrails in foreign countries may be due to planes originating from the US, or from US military bases in those countries, the heaviness of spraying there suggests that foreign governments and commercial agencies are involved. As stated, this contradicts the hypothesis that chemtrails are sprayed to protect Americans from an anthrax attack, as terrorists would not target countries other than America, especially many of the lesser countries in which chemtrails have still been sighted.

What is to be gleaned from the preceding point is that governments worldwide are involved in aggressively spraying the population with agents that have biological effects. They are in a hurry, considering their frequency and density of coverage, as if a deadline is to be met. The project has risked discovery by employing commercial airlines to help with the spraying, and such a risk can only be justified if the project itself were in the nature of an emergency. They have also risked their secrecy by spraying during the day to affect as many people as possible, when all below can plainly see these contrails are anything but.

What worldwide emergency could be of such importance and threat to the world governments?

Piece 2: Bacterially Induced Transcession and Gene Therapy via Vector Viruses
This section concerns altering one's DNA via incorporation of foreign DNA from bacteria or viruses.

First Clue that Viruses Affect Host's DNA

The term 'transcession' appears in a Leading Edge article, quoted as follows:

"One of the indications that vaccinations may in fact be changing the genetic structure of humans became evident in September of 1971, when scientists at the University of Geneva made the discovery that biological substances entering directly into the bloodstream could become part of human genetic structure. In one experiment, scientists in Geneva extracted the auricles of frog hearts and dipped them for several hours in a suspension of bacteria.

Afterward, they found a high percentage of RNA-DNA hybridization between bacterial DNA extracted from bacteria of the same species as that used in the experiment and titrated DNA extracted from the auricles which had been dipped in the bacterial suspension. Bacterial DNA had been absorbed by the animal cells. This phenomenon has been dubbed transcession. There is evidence that this kind of phenomenon is happening all the time within the human body. It is conceivable, for example, that heart damage following rheumatic fever could the the result of the immune system reacting to its own cells producing a foreign RNA complex after absorption of foreign DNA." (link)

For those interested in the transcession capability of vaccines, consider this quote about gene therapy:

"Yet another technique is to simply inject naked DNA. This approach wouldn't work well as direct injection into the bloodstream because the body's DNA degrading enzymes would quickly digest it. But some experiments have shown that when naked DNA is injected directly into muscle tissue [as in a vaccine injection], say, the cells start producing whatever proteins the DNA codes for. (from this link on gene therapy)

In other words, transcession is the process whereby bacterial DNA becomes part of a host cell's DNA. The term transcession is more commonly known as transduction, or conjugation, more generally termed horizontal gene transfer. Horizontal means between species, as opposed to vertical which is from parent to offspring.

Gene Therapy Employs Viruses to Alter Host DNA
This is one way how gene therapy, which seeks to correct genetic diseases, works. Visit this animation for a short tutorial on how viruses are used in gene therapy.

Here's another excerpt from an article confirming the use of viruses in gene therapy:

"To turn viruses into gene ferries, scientists have developed ways of stripping the genes out of a virus and substituting copies of the genes they want to transfer into cells. The virus is then mixed with cells taken out of the body that are then returned. Or they can be injected directly into the body itself, homing in on the cells of interest. Retroviruses, which insert their genetic code directly into the chromosomes of the host cell, have been used a lot because of their ability to break into chromosomes and insert the DNA. Other viruses are now also being used. One of the big drawbacks of viruses is that the immune system can't tell the difference between bad viruses and those that carry a beneficial gene. So, many of the viruses are rapidly wiped out [that is, of course, unless the immune system is weakened by other chemical/biological agents such that these viruses survive long enough to transduce their DNA into the host]." (link)

Methods of Applying Gene Therapy via Virus Vectors to Patients
Non-invasive methods of gene therapy are already well established. A team at the Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia accomplished just that using an oral method of gene therapy:

Dr. During and his colleagues inserted a beta-galactosidase gene--which encodes for an enzyme that breaks down lactose--into an adeno-associated virus vector. They then gave this orally through a special tube to lactose-intolerant rats. The gene incorporated into the cells lining the rats' gastrointestinal tract, allowing them to break down lactose.

"We showed several important things," he says. "We could deliver a gene noninvasively, we could achieve long-term gene expression through a simple oral route, and there was enough gene expression to treat a disease such as lactose intolerance." (link)

Even madsci.org has something to say about these non-invasive methods:

Gene therapy is one of the most interesting and valuable techniques to come out of the field of genetic engineering. The adenovirus used to deliver the CF gene to human cells for gene therapy is known as a vector. Since most cells normally will not take in or absorb DNA, we need a delivery system to get the gene into the cell. Adenovirus is a good vector since it can infect cells in vivo, or while they?re in the body, which means that the gene can be delivered through an inhaler (instead of having to manipulate the cells in vitro, or in the laboratory, then return the cells to the body). To use the adenovirus as a vector, it?s genome was first altered by removing all the virus DNA except for the minimum necessary for the virus to live and infect the cells. Genetically engineered viral vectors like this are harmless and usually can?t live outside of the laboratory. (link)

But some virus vectors are not without drawbacks:

All viral approaches suffer from the drawback of introducing unwanted viral genetic information into the recipient host. Retroviral vectors and adenoviruses have additional disadvantages. Retroviruses are only suitable for delivery of DNA to replicating cells, and present a risk of reversion to replication competent infective particles, whilst DNA expression using adenovirus delivery systems tends to be short lived [thus the repeated chemtrail sprayings over the past two years in the same geographic areas and the use of a host of vectors to ensure success when one fails] (link).

Later in the article, one solution to the problem is proposed:

"...Novel vectors for gene therapy are therefore needed which avoid the potential risks of using viral material, but can stably transfer exogenous DNA to target cells, to sites and at levels that produce a therapeutic effect.
A novel vector with potential for use in gene therapy has been developed by Professor Beverly Griffin and colleagues in the Department of Infectious Diseases at the Hammersmith Hospital Campus of Imperial College(1). Her team has shown that pseudocapsids of the mouse polyoma virus, consisting solely of the VP1 protein, can be used to transfer DNA into mammalian cells in vivo, to give expression at clinically-relevant levels over a period of weeks.

Polyoma virus has a very broad host range which means that the pseudocapsids will be taken up by essentially any human or other mammalian cell. Development and selection of mutant VP1 proteins, together with engineered specific labels may enable cell-specific targeting for in vivo applications. Pseudocapsids completely free of viral genetic material can be produced easily and economically.

Polyoma pseudocapsids can successfully transfer up to 7.2 Kb of DNA and research is investigating the production of oversized pseudocapsids. These oversized capsids would enable transfer of much larger amounts of genetic material than is currently possible with adeno or retrovirus vectors. "

In other words, technology already exists allowing virus vectors to effectively alter the DNA of a host's cell. This is not science fiction. One company among many, AEA Technology, is presently researching and selling aerosol (most likely inhaler, but expandable to atmospheric) products for use in gene therapy.

Physical Symptoms of Virus Vector Afflictions
Different types of viral vectors exist, including retroviral, adenoviral, adeno-associated, herpes simplex, and vaccinia vectors (source). The University of Rochester Biosafety Committee made the following precautions on using adenovirus and herpes virus vectors in medical research:

Adenovirus: Adenoviruses are infectious human viruses, which often cause mild respiratory illness. Rare cases of severe disease can occur, and its use as a genetic vector therefore requires the use of adequate containment equipment and practices. Biosafety Level 2 (BL2) is appropriate for many constructs (see above). Particular care should be given to vectors containing genes that make products that may be similar to products made by the deleted adenovirus genes.

Herpesvirus: Herpesviruses include infectious human viruses such as herpes simplex virus type-1 (HSV-1), which is the most commonly used vector system. HSV-1 is common in the general population, but can cause encephalitis in rare cases; its utility as a vector system stems from its broad host cell range, ability to transduce neurons, and its large insert capacity. Biosafety Level 2 (BL2) is appropriate for many constructs (see above).

From evidence available, adenovirus vectors are the most likely culprits in chemtrail-related sicknesses.
In summary, both bacteria and viruses are capable of incorporating some of their own genetic information into the cells of a host. Bacteria do it via transduction and conjugation, and viruses via direct infection of a cell.

The Link to Chemtrails
Conceivably, one could become infected with either such a bacteria or virus and would feel sick as a consequence. Meanwhile, the bacteria or virus go to work altering one's cellular DNA slowly, before later being wiped out by the body's immune system. After the illness is eliminated, the altered cells remain and continue to reproduce. Sometimes it becomes malignantly cancerous if the gene transfer is crude and faulty (as in vaccinations), and other times the changes are so subtle the body continues to operate as previously, or so the victim thinks (as in chemtrail exposure).

As mentioned, chemtrails contain genetically engineered biological agents and make people sick. Does this not hint at an intentional attempt by the implementors of the chemtrail program to perform mass gene therapy upon the population? The question is whether or not this gene therapy is for our benefit, or the benefit of the implementors. Considering how sick many have gotten, some to the point of death, and the overall ominous secrecy involved, it is safe to say that the chemtrail program has sinister roots.

If governments are not spraying out of benevolence and altruism, then they are spraying the population to protect themselves. When threatened, one attacks the source of that threat. And what are chemtrails ultimately attacking? Our cellular DNA.

Therefore, there is something about our DNA that threatens the power structure. Considering chemtrails are a recent phenomenon, the threat must also be recent. If a citizen's DNA was non threatening before, but is now, then it must have fundamentally changed its structure recently. This fits the definition of 'mutation.'

The third puzzle piece reveals why such an urgent effort is being implemented to influence genes of the masses.

Piece 3: Mass Human Mutation, Evolution, and eventual Ascension.
What is a mutation? The dictionary says:

The process by which such a sudden structural change occurs, either through an alteration in the nucleotide sequence of the DNA coding for a gene or through a change in the physical arrangement of a chromosome.

The Rise of Mutant Humans
There are a great number of sources which claim that new strains of humans have been appearing over the past decade. Not all these sources are scientific, but that is expected with a topic at the fringe of current events.

One example is Drunvalo Melchizedek, who in an interview by Diane Cooper (featured at this link) said:

"Well there are 3 different kinds of children emerging in the world today that I have been able to identify. The first are called the "Super Psychic Children of China." The second are called the "Indigo Children" and the third are called the "Children of AIDS." The first one, the "Super Psychics of China," we talked about in the Flower of Life seminars. If you remember, the first one was discovered in 1984 when a child was found who was psychic beyond belief.

...Well, it's mostly children, but now they are finding adults with it too - just like the hundredth monkey theory. Now all kinds of people are being affected by it and it's spreading fast. Remember, it started just 5 years ago with almost no one and now it's spreading - just like a disease. It's like an outbreak and this is only the beginning.

...People's DNA is really changing. Barbara Marciniak talked about going to the 12-strand DNA, and I've talked about chromosome changes. There have been many of us who have talked about this - but none of this had been seen by science. Now it has been seen and it has been documented.

[for more on Drunvalo and DNA mutations, read this Leading Edge article.]

What's most interesting is his mention of the "Super Psychics of China." There are purportedly no chemtrail activities occurring in China. Could there be a link?

And speaking of Barbara Marciniak, in her book Bringers of the Dawn, she expands upon the topic of DNA:

"The original human was a magnificent being whose 12 strands of DNA were contributed by a variety of sentient civilizations. When the new owners [reptilians] came in, they worked in their laboratories and created versions of humans with a different DNA - the two stranded, double-helix DNA. They took the original DNA of the human species and disassembled it. The original DNA pattern was left within the human cells, yet it was not functional; it was split apart, unplugged. "


Marciniak goes on to explain that today, humans are having their 'unplugged' DNA reactivated. Whether activation of junk DNA qualifies as a 'mutation' is a question of semantics, but that shall be what it is called here.

The most revealing article can be found at this link, an interview with Dr. Berrenda Fox:

"Everyone has one double helix of DNA. What we are finding is that there are other helixes that are being formed. In the double helix there are two strands of DNA coiled into a spiral. It is my understanding that we will be developing twelve helixes. During this time, which seems to have started maybe 5 to 20 years ago, we have been mutating. This is the scientific explanation. It is a mutation of our species into something for which the end result is not yet known.
The changes are not known publicly, because the scientific community feels it would frighten the population. However, people are changing at the cellular level. I am working with three children right now who have three DNA helixes.

These are children who can move objects across the room just by concentrating on them, or they can fill glasses of water just by looking at them. They're telepathic. You would almost think by knowing these children that they are half angelic or superhuman, but they're not. I think they are what we are growing into during the next few decades.

The easiest way to mutate our DNA is through a virus." [in this case, the easiest way to un-mutate DNA or suppress it from mutating is with a virus. Chemtrails are not causing the mutations, as children are being born with this new mutant DNA. If chemtrails are indeed causing the mutation, then we would expect older people to possess this new DNA since they've had longer exposure, but the opposite is true]

Two Types of Mutations
This new phenomenon of mutation, when not interfered by chemtrails, includes two aspects:

1) Present adults are having their junk DNA activated and/or genetic code modified.
2) Many children born with strange (previously unseen) DNA or with activated junk DNA.

When this phenomenon started is unclear. Considering that there might be different categories of mutation, some involving mere activation of latent genes, and some incorporating a completely novel genetic code, it is safe to say that this phenomenon consists of phases. For example, one type of mutation might have begun in the 1970's, and another might have started with children born after 1995.

Implications of Mutations
The cause mutation and its implications are most relevant in explaining chemtrails. As mentioned, the power structure feels threatened by what is taking place and are targeting our DNA as a consequence. Mutations are found threatening by the power structure because first, the emergence of humans distinguishable from the rest of the population by their paranormal abilities can cause panic and civil unrest (coupled with racism as hinted in the X-Men movie) which would mean premature implementation of martial law and resulting risk of revolution. Second, with increasing numbers of 'enlightened' humans, the illusion foisted upon us by the power structure will crumble -- even if only by the 100th monkey phenomenon whereby enlightenment spreads rapidly and contagiously to many once a small threshold segment of the population acts as seed.

Usually, mutation is attributed to imperfect gene replication, whereby errors in the replication process result in copies of copies of defective DNA. This is one reason why we age. Other standard contributors to random mutation include ultraviolet rays from the sun (which knock out small parts of DNA, the remains of which can potentially be copied if not soon corrected by the body, potentially resulting in skin cancer), cosmic rays, environmental pollutants, and ionizing radiation. These however, cause destructive mutations producing tumors, cancers, and freaks. What's taking place to precipitate the chemtrail program is constructive mutation, known more commonly in the long run as evolution. More likely reasons for mutations follow:

Reactivation of junk DNA
Changing earth frequencies are the principle causes of a reactivation. Earth's magnetic field strength has slowly been declining. According to a geomagnetism FAQ at the NOAA web site, based on field measurements since 1850, a reversal based on a linear model can be expected in 1,300 years. Of course, if the model is actually exponential, it could happen in the next twenty years.

It is confirmed that DNA's crystalline helical structure makes it very sensitive to low strength but specific magnetic frequencies and wave shapes. Depending on the field strength and Fourier components, the effects can vary from rejuvenation to cancer, with one possible effect being the unlocking or suppression of junk DNA. Knowing that the earth's magnetic field is the integral backbone to a global esoteric electromagnetic grid system set up in ancient times, that junk DNA has been suppressed during this time, and that the recent decrease in magnetic field strength has reached a threshold level during a period coinciding with activation of junk DNA in many, one can hypothesize that that whoever set up the original grid system did so to keep our genetic potential suppressed. This suppression has recently lost its grip, however, due in part to a declining geomagnetic field.

Interestingly, HAARP appears to be an electromagnetic aspect of a multiprong approach to artificially counteract this decline and keep mutation suppressed. Chemtrails are the biochemical aspect of the same program. Leading Edge reports at this link that the step-down reflective frequencies are "approx 1.1 GHz, Human DNA resonant frequency," creating a "cellular system phase-lock."

In addition to weakening magnetic fields, the Schumann resonant frequencies of earth (related to how long it takes an EM wave to travel around the circumference of the earth's ionosphere) have not stayed constant. This, too, has an impact on our consciousness and DNA. A research abstract entitled "Schumann Resonance Parameter Changes During High-Energy Particle Precipitation" states that sources of high energy particles such as solar storms have an influence on Schumann resonance. This indicates a link between earth resonance and the sun. Consequently, there is a link, however subtle, between solar activity and our DNA. Recent months have seen wild solar activity; this will reflect genetically within the population toward a reactivation of junk DNA [reactivation because wild fluctuations present unpredictability, and since the predictable earth field is one established by the power structure, anything unpredictable would serve to disrupt it].

Modification of DNA Sequence
Influx of walk-ins, alien souls, or attached entities account for this modification. DNA is sensitive to more than just electromagnetic fields. It also responds to the body's soul-nature. Soul nature is the vibrational etheric/astral composition or signature of a particular soul. Genetic structure and soul-nature are intimately coupled; a change in one can lead to a delayed change in the other.

Walk-ins are souls who replace the native soul in a body. If the soul nature is different, then DNA will change accordingly. Walk-ins can include alien souls, though this occurrs only in instances of replacement by negatively oriented aliens since positive ones are reluctant to violate freewill, and kicking a native soul out of a body is definitely violation to freewill. Most people are reluctant to go willingly.

Attached entities are souls who invade and share a body with a native soul. These are usually deceased humans irresponsibly or accidentally attaching themselves to living persons. The two soul-natures heterodyne and affect the DNA and physiology in a shared manner (schizophrenic patients facial features often change significantly after the onset of the mental disease, which often is the result of an invasion by multiple attached entities. There have also been cases of victims of spirit attachment developing a disease having afflicted the attached entity in its previous life.

As far as the mutation phenomenon chemtrails seek to combat, if walk-ins are indeed one source of DNA modification, then the souls walking in are of alien origin. If they were of human origin, no threat would be present as this has been taking place for thousands of years.

Combined Hypothesis of What the Chemtrail Program is Combating
The best hypothesis, given the range of data pertaining to chemtrails and soul dynamics as well as the UFO phenomenon, show that the chemtrail program is potentially targeting some or all these distinct groups:

1) ordinary citizens whose junk DNA are in the process of fully activating -- a consequence of earth's decreasing magnetic field, increase in resonance frequency, increase in global consciousness (which evolves humanity's collective morphogenic field and has a corresponding genetic effect upon its individuals), and possibly other more esoteric reasons such as a change in the very structure of space and time preceding the grand dimensional nexus of 2012-2013.

2) children born with fully activated DNA -- same reasons as case 1, but growing fetal cells are more susceptible to earth fields than fully integrated adult cells.

3) children with alien genetics from physical hybridization by greys -- undoubtedly, some children of abductees have alien genes, though so subtly that little physiological signs if any show it. More insidious is a scenario proposed by the x-files, that aliens are turning us into them via a virus (movies and TV shows often clue us into what's really going on, one method that the positive factions of secret societies help mankind). If humans are indeed being hybridized en masse, especially from within by means of viruses or alien manipulation of the earth grid, then the government has reason to combat it using chemtrails. However, people presently affected by this change (whatever it may be) are more positive, responsible, intelligent, and aware. Therefore, one shouldn't conclude that chemtrails are helping us.

4) human babies born with alien souls, whose DNA is rapidly changing from human to alien -- these humans are born with souls from a new alien faction, and since soul-nature and DNA are coupled, the human body soon changes genetically to accommodate the alien soul. It is said new alien faction because old alien factions comprise the bulk of normal human souls anyway. Because chemtrails are a new phenomenon, if alien souls are indeed being born into human bodies, they must be alien souls from a new faction. Considering the positive nature of these mutants, it is probably a positive faction here to help mankind get through the coming end time turmoil.

Conclusion
Humanity is evolving, emerging from the past millennia of abysmal darkness and oppression. The power structure, knowing its reign is about to end, has worked tirelessly in a last ditch effort to keep us suppressed. Chemtrails are but one small weapon they are employing to accomplish this.

Their ultimate goal is a New World Order, global totalitarianism and a reinstatement of their absolute power. The NWO will fail if citizens become genetically empowered to wake up and fight with superhuman powers against tyranny. This is already occurring, and chemtrails are ultimately ineffectual at preventing the inevitable.

Few know the chemtrail program's true purpose, and most of those implementing it have been told lies. They believe the "mass vaccination" scenario, that what they are doing is beneficial to citizens. Unfortunately this illusion, like all others created by the power structure, shall fall away in due time.

That time is rapidly approaching. Chemtrails are merely delaying what is destined, and what is destined is the glorious revival of human sovereignty and victory of the human spirit.

Montalk
www.montalk.net

[loveandgratitude]

Death in the Air:
Globalism, Terrorism & Toxic Warfare

By Dr. Len Horowitz <http://http://www.tetrahedron.org/>
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/deathintheair14may02.shtml
May 14, 2002

Silently killing us, our family and friends, the global plagues are here, yet where are we? Distracted by pastimes, passions, pleasures and psycho-sensory overload. The "Technotronic Era" is here. With it comes a New World of "non-lethal" biological and chemical weapons, and warfare applications, that are being waged against defenseless civilians. Regardless of what you now think, you are being manipulated and lethally affected, and this intelligence may be crucial to you and your family's survival.

Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism and Toxic Warfare (ISBN: 0-923550-30-5) delivers the most heretical message in the annals of world health and American medicine, backed by the most astonishing hard-hitting documents ever revealed. Here, veteran investigator, Dr. Len Horowitz, the award-winning author of the national bestseller, Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola: Nature, Accident or Intentional? relays how and why populations are being insidiously victimized. Exquisitely detailed in this book are the most advanced developments in the field of population control. Genetically engineered viruses and bacteria, the latest technologies for biological warfare, and combined exposures to biochemical, metallic, and electromagnetic agents, offer a "Star Wars"-like arsenal for conducting global genocide auspiciously for "public health", "National Security", and "world peace". Reprinted here are the most stunning U.S. Government documents you have ever seen that vividly expose the secret agendas of war waging by the world's wealthiest colonialists.

Not speculation, Dr. Horowitz relies heavily on Congressional testimonies, legal witnesses, and government documents to prove the public is being chemically and pharmaceutically intoxicated, and electromagnetically immune suppressed, increasing epidemics of cancers and myriad other illnesses. Monumentally, this public health professional exposes the instigating cartel, its leadership, their savvy media manipulations, and their ongoing global operation more insidious and destructive than the nuclear weapons program of World War II.

Striking the heart of a global conspiracy, and exposing the cryptocracy responsible for the latest forms of bioterrorism, psychotronic warfare, and Malthusian ecogenocide, the revelations and wisdom contained in this book offer more than a reality check. They give humanity, you and your loved ones, a final, last minute, choice for salvation. READ THIS BOOK.

The overall scope and agenda behind Chemtrails (Operation Clover Leaf, Operation Red Sky, Operation Rain Dance, the code names for these ops, BTW) intertwines several overall objectives deemed imperative by the real power in DC, which is the NSA [Natioanl Security Adminsitration].

It should be noted that most of the intel groups that are involved in domestic control are, in varying degrees, "in the loop" on this business and are actively working with the ONI and NSA in seeing this program succeed.

Listing all the agencies would be moot and pointless. What would anyone do with the knowledge anyway? The reason I say this has to due with STO vs. STS [Service to Others vs. Service to Self spiritual orientation].

Here's what we mean:

By conservative estimates, there are over 300,000 people in the USA alone that are chemtrails aware. Of those, only about 125 people have undertaken an active campaign to educate and inform the masses about this "final solution." Do the math.

How many of you know what the word apathy means? The agencies are counting upon this apathy and in fact, helped create that state of consciousness to begin with way back in the late 1950 (Fluoridation, Aspartame, street narcotics.)

If such a small percentage were actually doing anything about the phenomena, then wouldn't these same agencies be correct in their analysis that "they don't have anything to worry about?" The facts speak for themselves.

They will in fact succeed, because they are at the 80% completion point in these CT operations. They will be finished by March of 2001.

Main and ancillary operational objectives of Chemtrails as outlined in Operation Red Sky,

Phase One:

Main objective: Creative cleavages in spatial perceptions. Creating a blockage in the brain of the interaction of various amino acids that relate to higher consciousness and the increase of dopamine in the brain producing a listless, euphoric state of lower, reactive mind.

This, though most cannot (won't?) process this perception, is their main objective. It has many layers to it, and the salts found in these CTS are the prime indicators of just why they use such a vector to create this state in the human brain, the physical repository of and connecting point between the real and the unreal.

To understand this goal necessitates an understanding of the human soul, the Self (Christ or God within, if you like) and the connection between the two as related to the endocrine system functioning within each human host.

Pay close attention to these last words, as "host" indicates that there is a parasitic relationship to be established. Many UFO abductions are part of this op.

To begin with, we must understand that our intelligence agencies are operating at a very high level of OCCULT SKILL AND AWARENESS, as taught to them by their progenitors, the Nazis of old who were brought here in 1947 through 1953 via various operations, the most common known being Operation Paper-Clip.

In short, any Intel agent of a G20 rating is a practicing black magician entirely "sold out," soul-wise, (via rites, satanic rituals, and esoteric training in Long Island, Florida, and California) and are, speaking plainly, functioning black Adepts with a complete and unquestioned license to kill.

These are the top-level agency personnel. Make no mistake. These are the very same men and women who run the Mind Control Ops (CIA), the abduction of children (FBI) on a staggering global level, are involved in and are the contactees between the Ets (USAF, ONI, NSA, etc) and our government, ad nauseam.

In short, to understand Chemtrails we must understand the personnel who have the power to do what they want, whenever they want, and we must also understand their needs.

They need the following:

1. The overall "frequency" of each of their charges (human beings in each country) to function at a specific rate below the threshold of awareness.

The study of brain-wave, Remote Viewing techniques, and other related research holds the key to this. As we know, a physical brain functioning at 12 to 14 cycles per second is agitated and cannot, therefore, become perceptive of any cycle not within the same frequency, especially if that brain is ARTIFICIALLY STABILIZED to that frequency.

How can one perceive love, when the brain can only register impatience, anger, etc?

(Remember, their goal has to do with our souls in dimensions humanity has never, ever, considered.)

It is because of the occult nature of our covert agencies (and the real powers running them) that most cannot even begin to research in the right direction to begin with.

2. The immune system of the host must be depleted.

This relates to control, simply put. If the slightest breeze makes you dizzy, what kind of defense can you be expected to put up if you can't lift your arms above your head without getting a headache?

The many outnumber the few. This is the main reason for much of the desiccated red blood cells found in chemtrails: biowarfare. This also allows the parasite to latch onto the human host with little resistance from the organism so attached.

3. They need agreement.

This last statement is by far the MOST CRUCIAL STAGE of all. It isn't enough to make us slaves, we MUST WANT TO BECOME SLAVES.

Food scarcity, low wages, false idealism as propagated via network commercials, all create a state of low-level dependency to a state system, but it is not enough.

To win (want to know what winning is to the CIA?) these ruling covert agencies need our permission to do what they will to us (Universal Law, no getting around that one and they've known this since 1847.)

The system of this biosphere has one final gate that only each of us can open or close and it is, in fact, free will.

Free will. Such a concept. That alone would take another ten pages, but there's no time.

Once we understand their needs, their objectives become easily understandable and quite discernable. The real questions never-NEVER-asked in any chemtrails discussions is

A) What do they want?

B) How must they achieve it?

Ancillary objective: create and maintain a lowered immune system, for use by phase three, which is the execution of their binary weapons systems, to be triggered by microwaves.

Know what a GWEN tower is? Better find out and soon, as you can see them everywhere from your homes and offices. Ever wonder why we have so very many cell phones practically given away for free right now? Know what a burst transmitter is?

Does anyone have even the remotest idea of what a low-watt microwave transmission does to the cerebellum when the human brain is within three feet of such a device?

If you lack this knowledge, then it is to your detriment. The information is out there. Get hip.

The great side benefit that even the NSA didn't predict (their estimate was a little over 3%) is the 12% reduction in population chemtrails are giving our "masters." That's right - 12%.

In the distant future, the 1990s and beyond will become known as "the great dying."

In August of 2000, the sky over Los Angeles was actually blood red for two days. (They over-sprayed, due to ****ed up orders at Edwards AFB.) The morgues were packed solid for a week and over-flowing. There are still hundreds of thousands reeling from that two-day period. Many hospitals and clinics ran out of antibiotics overnight.

Binary weapons need to be triggered and they will use FM, AM, and Microwave GWEN towers to do it. It's all setup, op completed in 1998.

Why do this? Wake up! Can't control 6+ billion people - too many. Got to thin them out to keep them in line. I can see the squeemers now as they read this.

How and when will they go to Stage Two on this op? Can you say fake alien invasion, with millions dying and getting sick overnight? The test for this will be a planned (already complete staged op, in fact, West Nile Virus [WNV]) biowarfare incident on a major US or European or Australia (the latter most likely, as they are already completely disarmed down under.)

This will give them the final test data they need to go to Stage Two, which is the alien invasion occasionally hinted at once and a while on the Internet.

Now I must be crazy, right? At least, when I die, I will know who and why. That's more than I can say for most. Tough love. It seems the only way to reach you people.

Culling of the Biosphere:

Many folks will rightly say that "the culling of the elderly, et al" is flat-out nonsense because Chemtrails affect the sprayers as well as the civilian population. That assertion is essentially correct, but the following should be noted:

1. A virus can only affect you if you are not immunized from it. Think these folks are up to date with their "private cache" of vaccines? Sure. You don't send out a binary weapon until you are damn certain it won't kill you, the killer. This reaction of "the sprayers breathe it in, too!" is grasping at straws that don't even exist in any reality. Simply put: it is denial.

2. They simply don't care who they kill, even their own pawns and puppets in the military -- "**** 'em."

That's the CIA way. Get used to it.

Too hard for you? Don't like the words?

They use them a hundred times a day, just ask anyone who has ever been debriefed by these agencies; they have the foulest mouths on the planet. Red Grid/Blue Grid

In the end, the how, the who, the when of chemtrails is just so much smoke and mirrors. Just because you've identified the UH1H helicopter, the KC-135 tanker, and the use of Boeing 737s in Chemtrails is really, again in the end, meaningless. We all know who were the shooters in Dallas, but so what? That knowledge doesn't change anything. Find out who is giving the orders and why and then you've got something.

To Be Continued if possible

NAME WITHHELD BY REQUEST

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Michael of World-Action, November 2002:

My main intention of posting this is to remind us of the abilities of chemtrails to confuse us about what is real and what is not real.

According to the above, their aim was to come to a level of completion of chemtrail spraying by MARCH 2000 - this was right at the beginning of the reign of the NWO's new main puppet: George Bush Junior - essentially George Bush Senior and his shadowy oil, power & world domination people.

Very soon after March 2001, the world's credulity was started to be stretched to the limit, with strange and insane policies by the Bush Administration.

Then came the thumping great lie and world rape and traumatisation of '9-11'..... and Chemtrails had been sprayed intensively over the previous two to three years, circulating to every breathing entity on Earth due to global wind currents.

[loveandgratitude]

California Department of Agriculture Announces San Francisco
Aerial Poisoning Program


[Editor's Note: Consider this insanity: State of California minions of the NWO Dept of Depopulation and Poisoning announce to the public that they need to spend 74.5 million of taxpayer money to poison every man, woman, child, and animal living in San Francisco, Berkeley, Oakland, and other locations in order to control the light brown apple moth, undoubtedly one of the greatest threats to mankind. To convince the public that's it's perfectly OK to poison the very air that the public must breathe, they will spend one half million tax dollars on a disinformation spin doctor by the name of Porter Novelli. Anyone who has recently suffered from "this year's unusually virulent flu" has been poisoned by chemtrail spraying and is suffering the consequences of that poisoning. Will you continue to passively sit by and merely observe your planned demise or will you take action to stop these criminals?...Ken Adachi]

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/sanfranciscoareosolpoisoning05mar08.shtml
March 5, 2008

Subject: San Francisco Aerial Spray
From: Ted B
Date: Wed, March 5, 2008
To: Ken Adachi <Editor>

I am just posting a link I thought you may be intersted in. Kind of goes along with the Chemtrail subject. In this article, however, they are not even
bothering to go to the trouble of hiding what they are doing. I guess it's just getting to the point where it is assumed no one will raise their voices anymore, or the few who do can just be ignored. Here's the story....

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_10711.cfm

Consumer Alert: Toxic Chemicals to be Sprayed Over San Francisco

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_10711.cfm

* $74.5 Million Set for the Spraying of Toxic Chemicals Over San Francisco
By Rami Nagel
NaturalNews.com, March 3, 2008
Straight to the Source

I am angry! On January 24th, 2008, United States Department of (USDA) Agriculture Secretary Chuck Conner announced the availability of $74.5 million in emergency funding to combat the light brown apple moth (LBAM) infestation in California (1). This announcement comes in conjunction with the release of the California Department of Agriculture's (CDFA) expanded aerial spray zone, which includes the entire cities of San Francisco, Oakland, Berkley and many others.

Following is a link to a recently published proposal of spray boundaries, the yellow lines indicating the proposed spray zones (www.hopefortruth.com/lbam_2008.jpg) . More than two million people who live in these and other targeted cities are scheduled to be exposed this spring or summer to chemicals that that have never been tested on humans or animals before.

When I learned that Santa Cruz, my previous hometown was to be aerially sprayed, I was in a state of shock. This was followed by a long period of disbelief. Larry Hawkins, a spokesman for USDA, which is working with CDFA on the moth eradication, said the East Bay Area will be included in future treatments. So we have a federal agency, the USDA, telling millions of people that they will be sprayed. This announcement comes without any democratic process.

Apparently the CDFA or the USDA, or both, decided that the previous chemical formula's used, Checkmate LBAM-F and Checkmate OLR-F were not good enough, which really points to the fact that the past two aerial sprays in Monterey, and the one in Santa Cruz County, were a waste of time and money, in addition to the severe health reactions experienced by thousands of people from chemical exposure.

These chemicals have not undergone thorough safety evaluations, and do not just simply evaporate, but are designed to hang in the air 30-90 days or more. Such chemical applications are of most concern to pregnant women, in which even a minute dosage of a disrupting chemical can cause grave harm to the fetus. This is over and above the real concern for people who are trying to live a chemical-free lifestyle and who won't be able to escape the hundreds of square miles of densely populated areas to be sprayed, or for those who are sensitive to chemicals, or who are in poor health.

The chemicals sprayed are a plastic encapsulated microtechnology; the microscopic plastic dust, once sprayed, deeply enters the mouth, eyes, skin and lungs. Even after 90 days and several rains, some people in Santa Cruz and Monterey Counties are still experiencing symptoms of spray poisoning. When they leave the counties, their symptoms many times abate. This aerial program is a real sword through the heart of democracy and decency. The government has really gone too far and it must be stopped now.

I must inform you that through a freedom of information request, a local newspaper has learned that the CDFA has hired media spin doctor extraordinaire Porter Novelli at the tune of almost $500,000 tax payer dollars to convince the public that it is okay for the state to dump chemicals all over them, their gardens, their pets, and their neighbors. The state of California is in a budget crisis, and this is one example that explains why. Here the state is using tax payer dollars to lie to and mislead the public, to try to convince the public that the state should be spending millions of dollars of resources on polluting the air, sea, and land with chemicals that the public in general does not want. Since a majority of spray funding is coming from the federal arm, know your tax paying dollars are going to a government sponsored large scale crime.

If you are not familiar with this heinous program, let me bring you up to date. In the beginning of last year, a taxonomist identified the presence of a non native moth species (LBAM) in the San Francisco Bay Area, California. The moth may have been present in California for a long time, nobody knows for sure as detailed studies were never attempted. The entrance of the moth was likely due to lax boundaries from plant goods imported from New Zealand or Australia; in other words, it is the USDA's fault and responsibility for having allowed the moth in. In Hawaii, the moth has existed for the past hundred years without doing any harm to the local ecosystem, and without the need for the government to try to stop the moth. In fact it is considered harmless or benign to the environment, the moth does not transmit diseases or harm humans or animals in any way.

Originally, the USDA announced that the moth might cause $100 million in crop damage if allowed to multiply. This estimate of 100 million was based on a single worst year of estimated LBAM damage from over a decade ago in Australia. Australian crop damage figures have little meaning in California, as the climate is different and the moth damage in Australia varies from year to year; it is relatively minor in any case. Even if this $100 million crop loss did come true, one has to consider that $90 million has now been ear marked to contain the moth, primarily the funds are for aerial spraying chemicals on cities which contain people, and not crops like apples, oranges and grapes.

It is unanimous from pest control experts (except the ones employed by the government) that the apple moth cannot be eradicated, but can only be controlled. Thus this makes the entire aerial experiment an expression of a collective evil. Many of the targeted cities are not reasonably close to any type of apple, orange or grape vineyards. To this day, there has been zero dollars of reported crop damage as a direct result from the LBAM presence in California. Clearly something fishy is going. Federal and state governments are adamant with their efforts to douse everybody with chemicals for a relatively minute amount of moths.

Additional funds have gone to the CDFA's public relations campaign, which among other things, involves travel money and putting up the CDFA's senior officials, like the outlaw leader Secretary A.G. Kawamura in nice hotels, and paying for their meals at restaurants and their travel expenses as they go around the state and lie to people about the need for and safety of this moth spray program. No money has been earmarked to pay for medical costs or even research to determine if people are getting sick. This is because the CDFA simply assumes that this product is safe. They base their safety assumption on a bogus "consensus document" that was created by the Department of Pesticide Review only after several aerial sprays. The document contains little evidence, and a lot of opinions. What is of grave concern is the decision to spray never-before tested pesticides on people, and in cities, funded and supported by the USDA and EPA, which CDFA is carrying out.

Let me repeat this because just this fact is so shocking it is hard to comprehend. People in California are being subjected to biochemical, microscopic moth warfare. The reported microcapsule size of the aerial mating disrupter is as small as 10 microns and averages 25-35 microns in size for an undeployed moth spray. This size is coming dangerously close to micro-sized particles that are used to evade the body's defensive systems for biological weapons, those are reported to be 3-4 microns in size. Even with horrible tracking methodologies, and blatant lies to the public to fool people about the danger of the aerial spray, 643 illnesses were documented (www.1hope.org/SPRAYCOMPLES.PDF) from Monterey and Santa Cruz counties in the 2007 aerial spray campaigns. It makes sense that people would get sick because these minute particles can easily get absorbed deep within the body. So the effect of a small amount of chemical can be magnified many times. But you know, that assertion is hypothetical, because nobody has ever done any legitimate testing to see whether the chemicals in the microcapsules could affect human health.

These 643 reports represent a fraction of the real injuries, the actual spray has caused thousands to be poisoned from this biochemical formulation. See my related article (www.NaturalNews.com/022434.html) . Despite these reports which include 330 official illness claims filed with the CDFA, the CDFA states the following lies on their website, "Pheromones are extremely safe," and "Public safety is the primary concern." The statement that pheromones are safe is a lie. Sure, pheromones can be safe when used responsibly, for example a benign moth trap in an apple orchard that contains pheromones to attract the moths. But when you create a microscopic biodegradable ball of volatile chemicals, and then place within it a synthetic moth pheromone, which itself is described as an explosive chemical, you have more of a drug which can interact and create changes within the human body, than a pesticide. Furthermore, no thorough investigation has been done of these 330 official illness complaints, and some of these people have not yet recovered.

One must realize that any documentation regarding the safety of pheromones reported is from non-aerial applications, such as a moth sticky trap that is scented with pheromones and stuck on a tree, or a pheromone laced twist tie applied to apple orchards or vineyards. The last aerial application was reported to contain 10-20% of the "safe" pheromone, and 80-90% "other ingredients". These safety assertions also do not relate to the method of application. A sticky trap laced with pheromone is a different entity than a microscopic ball that is designed to biodegrade with pheromone encapsulated within it. Several of the Checkmate ingredients have yet to be disclosed to the public under trade secret laws.

The newly tested chemicals, which are scheduled for either the spring or summer time to be sprayed on millions, similarly will not be disclosed to the public. We do not even know what this stuff is? How can the government say the chemicals are safe, and then hide the ingredients from scrutiny? If these chemicals are so safe why not tell us honestly what it is? Clearly the intention of the CDFA, USDA, and EPA, is to cover up the real nature of this biochemical assault. They are trying to hide what they do from the public's eye. They do not want you to know the truth. The truth is people get sick. Not everybody gets sick from the moth spray, but many people do. Its effects can be strong and violent.

The deepest concern is regarding the distribution method of the pheromone. The pheromone is encapsulated in a miniature and highly volatile plastic ball. According to a recent UC Davis study paid for by the CDFA, the microcapsules from an unsprayed batch of Checkmate LBAM-F ranged in size from 10 to 190 microns. Over time, these particles can average 25-35 microns in size, shrink and degrade into more dangerous sizes, which fall under the category of particle pollution. Miniature particles between 2.5-10 microns in size, especially from pesticides, are known to cause both short term and long term health effects, including decreased overall life span. Again, nobody as yet knows how small the degraded microcapsules are, or how this will effect people in the short and long term, because no such testing exists. In essence, people have been subjected to a biological and chemical experiment. This is insane!

The CDFA reports that they want their newest moth weapon deployed this spring and summer, to be even longer lasting, which to me means that the microcapsules will be even more dangerous, possibly indefinitely sticking in the environment, and irritating people's sensitive ducts and glands; like the eye's and the nose, much like allergies from pollen. In each aerial application, billions of these volatile balls are launched into the environment, sprayed by planes contracted through Dynamic Aviation (http://www.dynamicaviation.com/home.htm) , which has other specialties beyond aerial application of pesticides. They also do "Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance." The spraying is conducted at a height of between 500-800 feet and residents in the sprayed area report feeling like they are in a war zone. Once in contact with residential neighborhoods, parks, and playgrounds, the balls slowly disintegrate over time releasing pheromones designed to confuse the moth's mating patterns.

Typically a drug takes many years for the Food and Drug Administration to approve for safety for humans. Under an emergency declaration, the EPA can exclude new chemicals from rigorous testing. These laws were designed for agricultural emergencies and are being violently misused because they are planning on spraying large urban populations and not apple orchards. The EPA and USDA have flagrantly crossed legal and ethical boundaries by applying laws designed for agricultural fields to densely inhabited city centers.

Further, consider that the testing of these chemicals is not done to make sure that it is safe for humans, as the safety is merely an untested assumption. As an example, it took several months after the first aerial spray of Monterey County for the CDFA to pay the University of California Davis to see if the Checkmate formula was toxic to certain very small ocean insects. It took several months for this first test of the Checkmate formula, already sprayed on well over two hundred thousand people, to be conducted. The testing being conducted in New Zealand is not to ensure safety for humans, but to see if the mating habits of the moths are disrupted. This spraying is approved by the EPA despite the fact that there are specific laws to prohibit chemical testing on pregnant women and children (http://www.epa.gov/oppfead1/guidance/human-test.htm) . "EPA's rules make it clear that all pregnant women, all nursing women, and all children are excluded from all studies involving intentional exposure that are intended for submission under the pesticide laws." If the EPA cannot test pesticides on pregnant women, nursing women, and children, then under what jurisdiction and authority can they simply expose pregnant women, nursing women and children with untested pesticides?

How many more children do we need to see poisoned by these indefensible government actions until we wake up and say, ENOUGH! How many more of our friends, relatives and neighbors do we need to see develop chronic health conditions due to exposure to aerially sprayed chemicals until we take effective action to stop this insanity? How much longer are we going to allow the government that is created for the people, to represent the people, to break its own laws and poison its own people and then disregard any reported health concerns?

To see this insanity clearly let's examine the moth population. In San Francisco County, 3,501 moths total have been trapped and killed. The entire city of San Francisco, whose population is 744,041, is in the proposed spray boundaries. About 744,000 people are to be exposed to unsafe microencapsulated pheromones, for several years, to try to control the mating habits in a city which had a total of 3,501 moths found over the past 8 months. This is really a needle in the haystack approach to pest control. Keep in mind, each moth found, is a moth that has been trapped and exterminated (http://www.aphis.usda.gov/plant_health/plant_pest_info/lb...) . In Alameda County, 431 months have been found in the past 8 months out of 2,327 traps. The moth population in Alameda County is thus sparse at best. Just look out your window. Imagine how many insects are in the tree, the yard, or the local park. I have seen more than 431 ants crawl into my kitchen on a rainy day. So in a giant area of 141 square miles, and the tens or hundreds of millions of insects in that zone, to try to eradicate such a minuscule pest by just spraying chemicals everywhere is ridiculous and unsafe.

The proposed spray map for Alameda County includes densely populated cities of the east bay area: cities such as Richmond, Albany, Berkley, Emeryville, Piedmont, and Oakland. In this area, well over one million people reside. The plan is to expose more than one million people in these cities, over a multi-year period to chemicals meant to hang in the air, in order to try to stop the mating habits of any remaining moths, which if there are any at all, could not be more than a few hundred. The 431 moths that were found there in the past eight months are now dead. These 431 months are the government's excuse, for a multi-million dollar civil rights incursion.

Here's how I suggest you take action:

* Share this information with your friends and neighbors.

* Don't be fooled when the CDFA says that the "pheromone" is safe. I have been poisoned myself by these microcapsules, and so has my family, it is a terrible feeling. Ask for test results to show it is safe for humans, you'll see they have none.

* Demand accountability. Ask your local California representative why they are continuing to allow the state to spray chemicals on people, even though the state has laws, like the state constitution right to personal safety, and legislative laws such as the California Environmental Quality Act, meant to stop this. Your state representative can amend or modify the LBAM law that went into affect that gave the CDFA the unanimous green light to eradicate the apple moth. Surely your representative does not support aerial spraying? Each county has to have their local agricultural commissioner or someone to that effect sign a permit to allow the state to spray. Stop these people from signing the permit!

*State and Federal representatives can also design an independent committee to come up with non-biased recommendations. The CDFA created such a working group, but they strangely seem to believe that aerial spraying people to stop moths from mating is a good idea.

*Gather your local city council members' support. Use local resources to conduct research, and file lawsuits against the state.

* Ideally the city attorneys and mayors should file legal suits against CDFA and the EPA and the USDA for polluting the air and water, for violating state and federal laws, and for poisoning children.

* Contact your US Senate and House Representatives, and ask them to stop funding for the aerial spray program, and to declassify this tiny moth from class A pest. Ask them to strengthen protections so that populations cannot be aerially sprayed unless there is grave and immediate danger to public health.

* Additional Note: If the aerial spray does occur, take samples. Put a turkey baster-sized aluminum tray in your back yard. Put the tray out on the night prior to the aerial spray, and another on the night of the aerial spray. Seal each tray well. Each city should organize its own tests of the chemicals, including tests for biological agents, contaminants, radioactive substances, and a microscope analysis to see how big the microcapsules are, and to see if the microcapsules contain miniature microcapsules. Analysis ideally should also include a detailed chemical profile of the substance sprayed, since the government won't tell us.

Finally, the way I see it, it is a crime to poison children and our fellow people who live in California. Just because the people who are polluting and poisoning the air with chemicals work for the government, should not make them immune to criminal liability and prosecution. Unfortunately, no city officials, yet, have the decency and standards to attack this matter as it is, a crime. Crimes require criminal investigations, and criminal charges.

People can be alarmed, and if cities take equitable action, we do not need to be afraid. For example, we pay taxes so we can have a fire and police department to protect ourselves from crime. Why not use the police force to protect residents from government sponsored crimes?

The media creates a false fear about some hypothetical terrorist releasing chemical weapons in the United States. Meanwhile, the US government is doing something very similar, releasing potentially deadly chemicals on its population, for no good reason.

This is a cover-up.

The LBAM infestation is a monumental hoax (Yes there are LBAMs, the hoax is that the only solution is to spray chemicals on cities).

I pray for grace for everyone, so that people in the proposed spray zones remain safe from harm, and that those who are inspired to take action to stop this be inspired to act effectively, with humility, strength and compassion.

Take Action

In Santa Cruz and Monterey, local residents have started the California Alliance to Stop the Spray. (CASS) (http://cassonline.org/) This alliance is developing evidence and documentation to stop the aerial spraying for the Light Brown Apple Moth. Just because this alliance is formed, does not mean the moth spray will be stopped. Each area needs to form their own groups, and work together to defeat the real pest, the state and federal governments who are performing illegal operations.

Important websites were you can learn more and take action include:

(www.lbamspray.com) ­ On the right hand column of this website is a portal to CASS. You can find many ways to participate and help the cause. Also contains the most relevant information.

(www.hopefortruth.com) ­ My LBAM site.

(www.1hope.org/chkmate.htm) ­ Lots of documentation and recent news postings.

(www.stopthespray.org) ­ Sign the petition to stop the spray!

For those who are taking community action, two generous people have volunteered to provide further resources.

Roy Upton <herbal@got.net> , California Alliance to Stop the Spray (CASS) Tel. 831-461-6317

Bonnie Keet <bonnie619@yahoo.com>, California Alliance to Stop the Spray (CASS)

When Governor Schwarzenegger says he supports the health and welfare of children, he is lying to you. Governor Schwarzenegger supports biochemical spraying which has been documented to cause life-threatening harm to some children.

Call Governor Schwarzenegger and tell him what you think of his policies. :
Voice: (916) 445-2841 2841 (press #1, #5, #0)
Fax: (916) 445-4633

Senator Diane Feinstein San Fransisco Office - (415) 393-0707

Senator Barbara Boxer San Fransisco Office - (415) 403-0100

Democracy Now! They want to hear our stories, (http://www.democracynow.org/contact?to=1)

As a final addendum, many people have written to me about mosquito fogging, about chemtrails, and about large scale chemical sprayings which occur in the United States unmonitored in more rural areas. While my article does not address these concerns, this article shows that people are sick and tired of being exposed needlessly to chemicals. Your concern about chemical exposure is vital. Listen to it!

Rami Nagel

References:

1. (http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_1OB?con...)

About the author
Rami Nagel is the author of "Cure Tooth Decay: Heal And Prevent Cavities With Nutrition," which teaches readers how to reclaim their dental health. Learn the real cause and cure for cavities and root canals at: www.curetoothdecay.com
Rami is a father who cares about the way we affect each other, our children, and our planet through our lifestyle choices. His health background is in hands-on energy healing, Hatha & Bhakti yoga and the Pathwork. Rami is author of several health resources: www.healingourchildren.net - Learn the Cause and Prevention of the Diseases of Pregnancy and Childhood
www.preconceptionhealth.org - A Program for Preconception Health based on Indigenous Wisdom
www.curetoothdecay.com - Heal and Prevent Cavities with Nutrition!
www.yourreturn.org - The cause of disease and the end of suffering of humanity.

[loveandgratitude]

Aerosol Crimes Part 1 of 9


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrsL87SeiIM&feature=related

art 2 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBZH4gsoCbc&feature=related

Part 3 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHTIZnN3YQM&feature=related

Part 4 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRBcsCVm_xI&feature=related

Part 5 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dozRpFVRWA0&feature=related

Part 6 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1npZWSsIWsc&feature=related

Part 7 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKSb1wwJfgg&feature=related

Part 8 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXcRLhV1zTw&feature=related

Part 9 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD7JhrGRB7k&feature=related

***

Clouds of Death in 3 parts

Clouds of Death Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smz5EXQg13w

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb3_G57-3sg&feature=related

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ONgnjgE90s&feature=related

***

Chemtrails, Good Bye Blue Sky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K4VcK8Vo8w&feature=related

Chemtrails viewed through an infrared filter, London, Dec. 2007 (9 minute video, interesting & revealing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGsGYKpQIl0&feature=related

Montage of chemtrail photos and sprayer planes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHAv9dflTX0&feature=related

And THEN come back and tell me that chemtrails are actually "contrails"

[loveandgratitude]

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http://educate-yourself.org/lte/australiagoldcoastchemtrails02may08.shtml

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http://educate-yourself.org/lte/chemtrailsovernorthernitaly27apr08.shtml

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http://educate-yourself.org/lte/chemtrailgressrootrevolt19apr08.shtml

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http://educate-yourself.org/cn/interiorofchemtrailsprayer11feb08.shtml

Yes, we are being sprayed, Part 1 By Carol Pellatt (Jan 21, 2008)
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/pellattyouarebeingsprayeAnov07.shtml

Yes, we are being sprayed, Part 2 By Carol Pellatt (Jan. 21, 2008)
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/pellattyouarebeingsprayeBdec07.shtml

Chemtrails- Real or Fake? (Jan. 15, 2008)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/chemtrailsfakeornot15jan08.shtml

Chemtrails & Global Warming (Dec.2, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/chemtrailsandglobalwarming02dec07.shtml

Turbine Engineer Dismisses Chemtrails as 'Pure Fantasy' (Nov. 24, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/turbineengineerandchemtrails24nov07.shtml

Chembuster Producing Positive Results in Yucca Valley, California (Nov. 18, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/CBworkingYuccaValley18nov07.shtml

Chemtrails Covered on Mainstream TV News Show (& only 9 years late!) Nov. 15, 2007
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/chemtrailcoveragenewssegment15nov07.shtml

Chemtrail Awareness Day (Nov. 11, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/chemtrailawarenessweek11nov07.shtml

Parallel Chemtrails & Black Beams over Leicester, England, Oct. 18, 2007
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/leicesterparallelbeamsandcts18oct07.shtml

Unusual Color Bands Photographed with Seattle Sylph (Sep. 4, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/sylphcoloredSeattle04sep07.shtml

Thoughts on Fire the Grid and Matthew's Comments on Chemtrails (July 17, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/firethegridandmatthewonchemtrails17jul07.shtml

Close Encounter with Black Beams along Florida Gulf Coast (July 17, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/blackbeamfloridacoast16jul07.shtml

Chemtrail Grid Photographed over California Desert in 1987 (July 17, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/chemtrailgrid1987desert17jul07.shtml

Fighting Chemtrails in Germany: Update on Gifting July 17, 2007
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/fightingchemtrailsgermanyupdate17jul07.shtml

Chemtrails and Odd Weather in the UK (June 29, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/chemtrailsoddUKweather29jun07.shtml

"I'm not entirely convinced that chemtrails are worse or different from contrails" (June 27, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/sylphsandchemtrails27jun07.shtml

The Art of Mental Chembusting & Other Strategies of Etheric Resistance (June 19, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/mentalchembusting19jun07.shtml

Is Los Angeles Chemtrail Central? (May 23, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/chemtrailsLAcentral23may07.shtml

Parish Priest Snaps Latest Photos of Black Beams in Southern California (May 20, 2007) http://educate-yourself.org/cn/newblackbeamsSoCal19may07.shtml

Black Beams Spotted in the UK (May 14, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/blackbeamsoverUK13may07.shtml

Chemtrails and Black Beams over New Jersey, May 8, 2007 (May 10, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/blackbeamsandctoverNJ10may07.shtml

Update on New Jersey and New York Area Chemtrails & Black Beams (May 6, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/updateNJandNYchemtrails05may07.shtml

White/Silvery Orbs Seen Among Chemtrails over Sedona, Arizona (May 4, 2007) http://educate-yourself.org/cn/fredgunnsedonachemtrailorbsufo30apr07.shtml

Chemtrails or Exhaust Fumes? (May 4, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/chemtrailsoverpenn04may07.shtml

Awakening to Chemtrail Aerosol Poisioning in Pennsylvania (April 6, 2007) http://educate-yourself.org/lte/chemtrailsoverPAdocumented04apr07.shtml

More Black Beams in Southern California (Mar. 19 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/moreblackbeamsSanDiego19mar07.shtml

Pentagram Chemtrails over Nashville, Tennessee (Mar. 18, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/pentagramchemtrailsovernashville13mar07.shtml

Discovery Channel Chemtrail Coverage: Obfuscation & Misinformation (Mar. 18, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/discoverychannelandchemtrails27feb07.shtml

Fighting Chemtrails in Germany: The Power of Focused Intent & Emotions (March 13, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/fightingchemtrailswithprayer09mar07.shtml

Black Beams Over Sedona, Arizona & San Diego, California (Feb. 28, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/blackbeamphotosfredgunn26feb07.shtml

13 Year Old Uses Positive Thoughtforms to Bust Chemtrails (Feb. 19, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/positivethoughtformbustchemtrails19feb07.shtml

Wikipedia Dis-Information on "Contrails" (Feb. 18, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/wilipediachemtraildisinfo18feb07.shtml

Pentagrams Seen with Dutch Chemtrails (Feb. 6, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/pentagramdutchchemtrails06feb07.shtml

Heavy Chemtrail Bombardment in Costa Mesa/Irvine Area of California Jan. 29, 2007
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/heavybombardment29jan07.shtml

'Black Beams' & Chemtrails over Los Angeles, Dec. 25, 2006 (Jan. 4, 2007)
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/blackbeamsover LA25dec06.shtml

Chemtrails and Southwest Airlines (Dec. 6, 2006)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/chemtrailsandsourthwestairlines06dec06.shtml

'Black Beam' & Chemtrails in So. California, Oct. 28, 2006 (Dec, 2, 2006)
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/sandiegochemtrailsdarkline29nov06.shtml

Comments & Questions on the New World Order Agenda and Chemtrails (Nov. 10, 2006) http://educate-yourself.org/lte/questionsonNWOgoals06nov06.shtml

Chemtrails: "What can I do about it? " (Nov. 4, 2006)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/chemtrailswhattodo04nov06.shtml

Remarkable Aerial Objects Filmed Over Connecticut March 20-26, 2005 (June 24, 2006) http://educate-yourself.org/cn/remarkableobjectsfilmedoverCT24jun06.shtml

Stratospheric Ice Dust, a 'Different' Perspective on Chemtrails (June 6, 2006)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/stratosphericicedust06jun06.shtml

The Methodic Demise of Hope & Determination by Doom & Gloom 'Concerned Authorities' (May 3, 2006)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/methodicdemiseofnaturalearth27mar04.shtml

NE Florida: Chemtrails, Symptoms, & Demise of Small Animals (April 25, 2006)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/chemtrailsneflorida25apr06.shtml

Chemtrails: 'Exotic Weapons' Says Space Preservation Act of 2001 (Feb. 26, 2006)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/chemtrailsexoticweapons26feb06.shtml

Aircraft Mechanic Discusses Chemtrail Spray Equipment Aboard Commercial Aircraft (Apr. 18, 2005)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/chemspewermechanics17apr05.shtml

Can Humans Influence the Dispersion of Chemtrails? ( Apr. 16, 2005)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/humansinfluencectdispersion16apr05.shtml

'Jim Phelps' and His 'Chemtrails Overview' (Apr. 15, 2005)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/jimphelpschemtrailarticle15apr05.shtml

"Blasting", Alternative Defense Against Chemtrails (Mar. 4, 2005)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/blastingchemtrails04mar05.shtml

New Chemtrail web site: CHEMTRAILS-POISON FROM THE SKIES
http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/world/chemtrailsworld.htm

Chemtrails And Vaccines: What You Didn't Know About Vaccines And Human/Animal Husbandry (Feb. 19, 2005)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/chemtrailsandvaccines14feb05.shtml

Chemtrails Over Pennsylvania (Dec. 29, 2004)
http://www.rense.com/general61/chemo.htm

The Nazi Flu By Dr. Len Horowitz (Dec. 28, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/naziflu28dec04.shtml

Chemtrails, "It's as imple as that!" (Oct. 19, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/chemtrailsareimple19oct04.shtml

Chemtrails Over Bangkok (Oct. 17, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/chemtrailsoverbangkok17oct04.shtml

Shocking NASA Satellite Photo of SE America, Contrails or Con? (Oct.13, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/nasaconphoto13oct04.shtml

Sylphs vs Chemtrails Over Southeastern Wisconsin (Sep. 13, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/sylphsoverwisconsin13sep04.shtml

Sylphs Over Holland, Part 3 (Sep. 10, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/sylphs3overholland09sep04.shtml

Sylphs Over Holland, Part 2 (Sep. 3, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/sylphs overholland30aug04.shtml

Chemtrails Over New Hampshire (Aug. 25, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/ctsovernewhampshire25aug04.shtml

The Sylph Letter, Part 2 (Aug. 13, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/sylphletterpartB05aug04.shtml

The Sylph Letter (Aug. 5, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/sylphletter05aug04.shtml

Chemtrails or Contrails? Are We Really Being Sprayed? by G. Edward Griffin (July 7, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/chemtrailsbygedwardgriffin07jul04.shtml

Dramatic Improvement in Skies Over Orange County, California since May, 2004 (June 24, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/dc/improvedskiessoutherncalif.shtml

Chemtrails, The final Verdict (June 23, 2004)
http://www.jackblood.com/index/id38.html

Aerosol and Electromagnetic Weapons in the Age of Nuclear War (June 21, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/tb/worthingtonaerosolandelectromagweapons01jun04.shtml

Regarding Chemtrail Naysayers (May 17, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/chemtrailnaysayers17may04.shtml

USA Today Ridicules Chemtrails (Mar. 18, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/usatodayrediculeschemtrails18mar04.shtml

Chem Trails (Mar. 15, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/chemspacetrails15mar04.shtml

Anatomy of a HAARP Attack: From Mostly Cloudy to Clear in 20 Minutes! (Mar. 14, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/anatomyhaarpattack14mar04.shtml

Aren't Chemtrails Also Poisoning the Secret Goverment Plotters? (Mar. 12, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/arechemtrailspoisoningplotters12mar04.shtml

U.S. Postal Service to Issue Chemtrail Stamp Designs (Feb. 11, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/postalctstamps11feb04.shtml

The Reason for Chemtrails (Jan. 24, 2004)
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/reasonsforchemtrails24jan04.shtml

Pink Chemtrail Sunsets (Oct. 28, 2003)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/pinkchemtrailssunset23oct03.shtml

Operation Rain Dance
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/operationraindance.shtml

The Suspicious Case of Dr. Larry C. Ford and BioFem, Inc
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/irvinecanistersandbioweapons10mar00.shtml

Ethnically Targeted Chemtrail Diseases (July 27, 2003)
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/ethniclycreateddiseases27jul03.shtml

Chemtrails Laced with Disease Organisms For Population Reduction & Profit (July 27, 2003)
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/sprayingdiseasesviachemtrails27jul03.shtml

The Conspiracy of Chemtrails, Ten Problems by Mark Davey (June 9, 2003)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ctstenproblems09jun03.shtml

Waking Up to Chemtrail Disinfo (May 9, 2003)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/wakinguptoctdisinfo09may03.shtml

Metaphysics of Immunity: SARS and Chemtrails by Montalk ( May 8, 2003)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/metaphysicsofimmunity07may03.shtml

Channeler Seeks Opinion on Chemtrails (Oct. 15, 2002)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/channelerseekschemtrailopinion15oct02.shtml

Latest From ZetaTalk on The Chemtrail Genocide Agenda (May 3, 2002)
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/latestfromzetatalk3may02.shtml

The Best Internet site for Chemtrail info is from Cliff Carnicom
(http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm)

Good Photos and Articles on Chemtrails
(http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Chemtrails.html)

The most current articles on Chemtrails are posted at this link
(http://www.sightings.com/politics6/chemdatapage.html)


Introductory Overview of Chemtrails (written May 1999) By Ken Adachi

For over a year, the military has been spraying the skies throughout America, Canada, and now parts of Europe (including Britain, France, and the Netherlands) with substances that were initially referred to as "mystery contrails" , but later were named "chemtrails" by investigative reporter and author William Thomas. When questioned, military and government officials either deny any knowledge of these sprayings outright or they offer unbelievable and ludicrous explanations that only a moron could believe. Joe Burton has been aggressively investigating and reporting on this story from early on. Apparently he had been too aggressive, because his house had been targeted for direct spraying by low flying, unmarked aircraft. In a story posted Feb. 15, 1999, Joe reports the physical symptoms that his family and his pet have been experiencing from the sprayings. Joe believes that many of these military tankers responsible for the sprayings are remote controlled aircraft, but Al Cuppet (6 years with the US Joint Chiefs of Staff) has told radio talk show host Jeff Rense during interviews on June 1, 1999, May 16, 1999, and May 7, 1999 felt that many of these tanker planes were more likely being flown by foreign pilots, possibly Chinese or Russian.

Some Background:

Symptoms from Chemtrail sprayings

A One, Two Punch?

On February 20, 1999, strange "Contrails" were reported over Long Island, NY by 'concerned citizens' who also took photos. These photos reveal the characteristic "X" mark seen in almost all cases of chemtrails. Earlier this year, reports by Ken Welch have been posted on various sites on the Internet. His reports are titled Contrail Spraying of Cities is Real Part 1 , Part II, and Part III These articles chronicle Ken's apprehension and dismay at the discovery that the United States government was brazenly spraying the skies of southern Texas on April 9, 1999 with Chemtrails. Ken has also posted E-mails at his web site that were sent to him in May '99 of reports of sprayings over South Carolina and Indiana . In June, a report from Florida said that sprayings had been going on for weeks over the Ft Lauderdale and Jacksonville areas, including military bases.

It is being reported that people with average or below average immunity are experiencing pneumonia-like respiratory symptoms, while people with stronger immunity are only experiencing slight discomfort for a day or two or no symptoms at all. Some people have gotten very ill and the symptoms seem to keep returning after a short period of improvement. It's possible that some of these sprayings might contain special bioengineered pathogens designed to affect only certain racial groups.

Radio talk show host Jeff Rense has offered the idea that these sprayed pathogens might be part of a Binary weapon system. In other words, a second substance might be required (aerial spraying or substances added to the water supply for example) to bring out the virulent phase of the pathogen, but of course this is only speculation. Rick Malinowski's long and detailed article also suggest the notion of a 2 or 3 part piggy back element to the chemtrail sprayings. My own suspicions are that these sprayings are intended for multiple purposes including low level population reduction (see NWO Population Control), mind control and/or tracking, and to foster weakness and apathy among the general population in anticipation of the New World Order takeover agenda which will likely include the imposition of martial law (a sickly population is a lot more controllable and compliant than a healthy, vigorous one).

William Thomas
William Thomas was the first reporter to attract national attention to the chemtrails issue. He has been interviewed many times on the Art Bell Radio show to discuss the chemtrails story and has many excellent articles and Photos posted at his own web site as well as other locations including-Jeff Rense's Sightings on the Radio . Thomas has concluded that these sprayings are genocidal in nature and are intended to reduce or weaken the general population. In a November '99 interview with Art Bell, Thomas also voiced the idea that there might be a mind control element to the most recent spraying, since many people are reporting mental confusion and depression following recent sprayings. Thomas has reminded radio listeners that the government has had a long history of exposing the public to biological pathogens without their knowledge or consent.
Thomas has also reported that spraying samples have been analyzed and have revealed that many deadly and toxic pathogens have been found including Mycoplasma Fermetens Incognitus (the SAME bioengineered pathogen that Dr Garth Nicholson had discovered in about 45% of the veterans who came down with Gulf War Illness). Thomas found that Mycoplasma, however, was only ONE pathogen among a group of highly toxic biohazard substances analyzed from the chemtrail residues.

Why?
The evidence is obvious and plentiful that these sprayings have been taking place almost daily since the Fall of '98 and many people have gotten sick and undoubtedly some have died from the effects of these pathogen/toxin sprayings, but the $64 question is WHY ?


Some writers have wistfully speculated that the government is trying to vaccinate us against a coming plague of bio terrorist origin. Most people would like to believe that, but the evidence is too strong in the opposite direction. Of course, sprayings might have different intentions for different sectors of the population: Possible population reduction for the weak and immune compromised; possible vaccine protection intended for certain ethnic groups; and possible ID tracking. It's hard to say. Only insiders know the real story, or more probably know some parts of the Real Story.

What most Americans don't realize is that the upper echelons of the United States government is no longer a government "of , by, and for " the people (See the New World Order). The United States government-as with all other major governments of the world-is under the total domination and control of the Illuminati (architects of the so-called New World Order). The Illuminati's plan to reduce the global population by 4 billion people before the year 2050 was laid out in the Global 2000 report assembled by the Carter administration. in the late 70's.

It should be obvious-that in order to REDUCE the world's population from its present size of six billion down to 2 billion (even over a fifty year span) would require that the majority of people now living would have to be exterminated in some way. The amazing thing about the Illuminati is that they place all their ghastly plans right out in the open for everyone to see, if people would only look and read what they are saying.

Debunkers
A genocidal operation of this size and scope would require the Illuminati controllers to promote contravening propaganda in the opposite direction in order to limit or defuse political agitation, possible retaliatory action, and to quell the concerns of the average American who might stumble upon the chemtrail story. It's Standard Operating Procedure for the Illuminati. For example, when Senate committee hearings took place a few years ago (early '90's) on re-examining the Kennedy assassination, just coincidentally an author (and CIA asset) by the name of Gerald Posner, who had recently published a book titled "Case Closed", suddenly appears on the national scene. In his book, Posner claimed unequivocally that Oswald was the lone assassin, that there was no conspiracy involving others, and that the Warren Commission was correct in its original findings. Reviews of his opinions and that of his book received front page coverage throughout mainstream media. Frontline produced a 2 hour "documentary" on Posner's claims which failed to offer opposing views by other Kennedy assassination investigators/authors to refute or take issue with Posner's position.

In 1997, on the 50 year anniversary of the Roswell, New Mexico UFO Crash of 1947, the government offered up a high ranking Air Force officer to make an utter fool of himself on national TV (CNN) by stating that the so called "bodies" of aliens beings-which were recovered from the Roswell crash-were "in fact" really only test dummies that the Air Force had sent aloft to see how they would fare under crash conditions. This orchestrated and staged press conference had already stated that the dummies were deployed in 1954. When one reporter asked this Air Force officer what the connection was between a 1954 test of crash dummies and the 1947 Roswell UFO crash, the stunned officer could only mumble that apparently "time compression" had "taken place". It was a Golden Moment for those of us who rail against the unending stream of lies and unmitigated deception fostered upon the American public by the (corportate/Illuminati controlled) mainstream media and government spokesmen.

[Update January 2002]
The party line from chemtrail debunkers has changed over the past 3 years. Early on, chemtrail disinformation artists wanted the public to think that chemtrails were really just ordinary contrails that were persisting longer than usual due to changing atmospheric conditions and similar tripe. Later, when the persistent contrail theme had worn too thin, debukers needed to create some sort of logical excuse for chemtrails, so they began to peddle the aerial immunization against 'terrorists' biologicals or solar wind "protection" gambit.

Lately, the current unofficial party line seems to be
1. protection of the ozone layer,
2. secret military radar blanketing technology,
3. aerosol 'vaccinations' of some sort and
4. some vague reference to 'protection from aliens' (??? you got me).

Debunkers will usually offer themselves as experts or authorities on chemtrails and will always give you a 80-90% dose of real info layered in with their hidden propaganda message. Another trait I've noticed from debunkers is the the sheer volume of their presentation coupled with a lot of technical jargon, scientific looking graphs and pictures to bolster the image of scientific validity and depth of investigation. But if you read their 'reports' carefully enough, you can spot the party line-loud and clear. Lastly, debunkers will always yell "fraud" the loudest for those articles and authors who hit closest to home where truth is concerned. A good place to start honing your discernment skills is with the highly circulated and often referenced "Chemtrails Report". It is a text book example of the current state of the art in disinformaiton.

Do not assume that you are helpless to do anything

I've photographed chemtrails in my area on many occasions and I've been breathing the fallout from these sprayings right along with everyone else, but I haven't come down with any symptoms or discomfort yet. If you build up (or possess) your immunity to a high enough level, you can resist most any pathogen. There are numerous ways in which people can improve their self defense by learning how to boost immunity.

What to do
Prepare by building up your immune system. A sufficiently strengthened immune system can withstand a far greater biological assault than the designers of these highly virulent "killer microbes" would have the world believe. It's important to remember that ANY lethal biological organism, whether it be a virus, bacteria, fungus, or parasite, has to replicate itself in your body in order to harm you. This includes those weapons grade 'super killer microbes' that Russia, the United States., Israel, Iraq, China, and other countries have developed. The conventional orthodox method to acquire protection against a deadly organism is to administer a vaccine that is specifically tailored with inactivated microbes of the killer bug or fragments of its protein shell. The body produces antibodies against this specific antigen and provides immunity in the event of exposure. Undoubtedly, the designers of these killer bugs and members of the elite who are "inside the loop" have already been vaccinated for their protection. BUT, there are other ways to acquire protection, that the rest of us can utilize.

As stated elsewhere on this site, a sufficiently strengthened immune system can withstand practically any biological assault. I've put together a page called Immunity Boosting which will outline a number of steps you can take to boost your immunity. At the very least, take colloidal silver on a regular basis. Even if you did nothing else to improve your immunity (and you should), colloidal silver will substantially increase your germ fighting capabilities since no bug, even a bioengineered one, can develop a resistance to its germicidal action.

Web sites with in-depth coverage of Chemtrails (posted November 1999)
One of the most articulate, succint and cogent report assembledto date on the chemtrails story comes from Rick Malinowski. Take the time to read his excellent reportage carefully and thoroughly. His story is avialable on the web at: (old url deleted)
http://home.earthlink.net/~wolfmind/ (*Rick's new web site as of 2/27/00)

Other informative and interesting web sites include:
1) http://strangehaze.freeservers.com/index.html
2) http://www.contrailconnection.com/
3) http://www.islandnet.com/~wilco
4) Cliff Carnicom (http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm)


Good site for chemtrail infomation, but overly cautious and worried about upsetting The Powers That Be to call a spade a spade. Informative all the same with many good photos.

[loveandgratitude]

Debunkers
A genocidal operation of this size and scope would require the Illuminati controllers to promote contravening propaganda in the opposite direction in order to limit or defuse political agitation, possible retaliatory action, and to quell the concerns of the average person who might stumble upon the chemtrail story.

The party line from chemtrail debunkers has changed over the past 3 years. Early on, chemtrail disinformation artists wanted the public to think that chemtrails were really just ordinary contrails that were persisting longer than usual due to changing atmospheric conditions and similar tripe. Later, when the persistent contrail theme had worn too thin, debukers needed to create some sort of logical excuse for chemtrails, so they began to peddle the aerial immunization against 'terrorists' biologicals or solar wind "protection" gambit.

Lately, the current unofficial party line seems to be
1. protection of the ozone layer,
2. secret military radar blanketing technology,
3. aerosol 'vaccinations' of some sort and
4. some vague reference to 'protection from aliens' (??? you got me).

Debunkers will usually offer themselves as experts and authorities on chemtrails and will always give you a 80-90% dose of real info layered in with their hidden propaganda message. Another trait I've noticed from debunkers is the the sheer volume of their presentation coupled with a lot of technical jargon, scientific looking graphs and pictures to bolster the image of scientific validity and depth of investigation. But if you read their 'reports' carefully enough, you can spot the party line-loud and clear. Lastly, debunkers will always yell "fraud" the loudest for those articles and authors who hit closest to home where truth is concerned. A good place to start honing your discernment skills is with the highly circulated and often referenced "Chemtrails Report". It is a text book example of the current state of the art in disinformaiton.

Do not assume that you are helpless to do anything

I've photographed chemtrails in my area on many occasions and I've been breathing the fallout from these sprayings right along with everyone else, but I haven't come down with any symptoms or discomfort yet. If you build up (or possess) your immunity to a high enough level, you can resist most any pathogen. There are numerous ways in which people can improve their self defense by learning how to boost immunity.

What to do
Prepare by building up your immune system. A sufficiently strengthened immune system can withstand a far greater biological assault than the designers of these highly virulent "killer microbes" would have the world believe. It's important to remember that ANY lethal biological organism, whether it be a virus, bacteria, fungus, or parasite, has to replicate itself in your body in order to harm you. This includes those weapons grade 'super killer microbes' that Russia, the United States., Israel, Iraq, China, and other countries have developed. The conventional orthodox method to acquire protection against a deadly organism is to administer a vaccine that is specifically tailored with inactivated microbes of the killer bug or fragments of its protein shell. The body produces antibodies against this specific antigen and provides immunity in the event of exposure. Undoubtedly, the designers of these killer bugs and members of the elite who are "inside the loop" have already been vaccinated for their protection. BUT, there are other ways to acquire protection, that the rest of us can utilize.

As stated elsewhere on this site, a sufficiently strengthened immune system can withstand practically any biological assault. I've put together a page called Immunity Boosting which will outline a number of steps you can take to boost your immunity. At the very least, take colloidal silver on a regular basis. Even if you did nothing else to improve your immunity (and you should), colloidal silver will substantially increase your germ fighting capabilities since no bug, even a bioengineered one, can develop a resistance to its germicidal action.

[loveandgratitude]

The Chemtrail Rabbit Hole and The Professional De-Bunkers

What is blocking chemtrail activism and mass public/political debate which would lead to action and solutions?

Well, for starters, all of so-called officialdom flatly denies that they exist, but the evidence is so overwhelming, that anyone can conclusively prove it to themselves or to others, at least to those who are willing to open their eyes and look. This presentation is a review of the problems that I encountered in discovering the reality of chemtrails and what could be done about them.

Trevor James Constable is a leading light in weather manipulation and follows in the footsteps Wilhelm Reich in etheric technologies. All living things have an etheric field, a luminescent energy around their bodies, including you. Here is how to prove it. Put your hand up against a dark background and after a few seconds you will see a faint white shadow round the tips of your fingers. Next look at a group of trees and you will see the same type of shadow against the skies background. Unbelievably, you can use this energy to make clouds disappear. Choose a small cloud first, start scanning it with your eyes from left to right, and up and down, focus on breaking the cloud up with your mind. It will seem to disappear as you focus, re adjust your eyes and keep the process up. WOW, you have just made your first cloud disappear. Show all your friends your new magical powers. This is etheric FREE energy…more later. This will work on all clouds except chemtrails. Thus, Proving chemtrails exist. No conspiracy that they exist.

Typical chemtrail dispersion

Ten Problems with Discovering Chemtrails

Problem 1
You wake up one day and notice streams of lines formed by jets high up in the atmosphere. You wake up the next day and once again, the ubiquitous lines are there. You notice crosses, grids and bends. You think to yourself that is not normal. Then you notice day after day that the sky is always a whiteout (unless cumulus clouds are present), yet when you woke at six in the morning you had a blue sky as you have been accustomed to all your life. By the time, you arrive at work the sun is hidden by what you could only describe as a fuzzy haze. Perhaps you ask some friends have they
noticed anything odd and they usually look at you blankly. Therefore, you go to the internet and after a while discover the term chemtrails. From that moment on your life changes.

Problem 2
The name CHEMTRAILS, coined by Will Thomas, is a starting point. Ha ha you think, I have discovered what is happening. You start to investigate, and your stomach hits the floor, you cannot believe your eyes. White NATO jets are deliberately spraying chemicals such as barium and aluminium into the sky. Why? You ask yourself. Again, why would our politicians condone such madness? Your stomach hits the floor again as you discover the effect of the toxins on all planet life. You start to ask your friends: “do you know what those white lines are in the sky?” “Yeah, they’re jet trails.” Some may even tell you they are contrails, but you instantly start to tell them: “Well actually, they are chemtrails, as contrails dissipate after a few seconds.” You are then asked to explain what ‘chemtrails’ are. You soon discover that your friends and family turn off and ignore what you are saying as they mutter: “have you been on Prozac?”

At this point, most people give up and think to themselves, “yeah its just normal air traffic” and go back to being sheeple, although always at the back of
their mind they know something is wrong.

Some, however, decide to carry out more research.

Problem 3
Knowing that you are not on any prescribed or illicit drugs, you pursue your research and you discover other sites and groups of people who have
seen and heard about chemtrails. You pluck up the courage to ask questions about your new subject and then it starts to get really complicated, no one
can tell you exactly why chemtrails are being sprayed, a multitude of theories start to come into your new world view. “Its to save the planet” some say, “it’s mind control” shout others, “its a silly old conspiracy” “it’s a mass population cull” “its about the control of water” or “it’s aliens” etc.

If you try to explain to family and friends, they’ll tell you that it’s becoming an obsession and there are many more things in life that are more
important than chemtrails. You go back to the sheeple with a fuddled mind. Really intrepid explorers continue and start to take a more direct approach.

Problem 4
You start to ask questions of those who you think would be knowledgeable: “sorry it is not part of our current activism” (Greenpeace); “we
are looking at it” (The Green Party); “What are you, a mad man?” (the media). Moreover, you hit those who know the term, but do not want to know: “it’s a conspiracy; go back to work” Baaaa.

Problem 5
Debunkers: By the tone of your enquires and your genuine interest to find the underlying cause of the problem, you start to send out
vibes which are intercepted by the professionals. A pilot may take you under his wing and explain it is just a conspiracy: “I have been flying for twenty years and it is just down to the amount of air traffic these day old buddy” or ” Nah! It is just plain old contrails, nothing to worry about ” You, thinking that it cannot be that simple. start to hit these people with some facts: ” But Will Thomas and Jeff Rense say this and that (etc.)” Then you hit the professional debunker mode as you progress with your information: ” Rense, Thomas, don’t be a fool. They are just playing on your naivety.” ( this is classic projection seen with debunkers like J@y R@ynolds, ex resident debunker at www.chemtrailcentral.com and alleged agent http://worldzone.net/science/reality2u30/threats.html et. al.) they want to sell you books and videos. Once you have made contact with a professional debunker and you overcome the flight explorer scenario, look at these pictures from 1945, this professional said this, look at this scientific report. Jay Reynolds is also disputing Will Thomas on barium and aluminium tests found in chemtrails. Remember your etheric vision does not work on chemicals.

Break 1
At this point your get a break. Someone leaks some new information: an insider blows the whistle on the whole chemtrail project. You discover
the term geoengineering. You hope that with this new scientific term and information you can retrace your steps, go back to the media, organise
political action, get something done. Your family and friends will forgive you for your obsession, you were right all along. You were the smart one.
They should have listened (momentarily forgetting about the debunkers and how hard it is to prove leaked information, without an actual contact name
and address). The big guns are rolled out. Will Thomas debunks the whole article, and you sink down into depression and wonder if 2 billion are
actually going to die. And piece by piece, the story is rubbished. Your hero steps in and he debunks the story.

You have already put the information out there expecting mass action to stop the madness. Now association rubbishes you. At this point, you should really give up and join the herd.

Problem 6
Other serious researchers and thinkers start to help you, they have seen the debunker attacks coming for miles they know that some very sincere people just give up under the torrent of debunker abuse. They point you to some sound evidence and to Congressman Dennis Kucinich and Bill HR 2977. There it is in black and white chemtrails next to some very exotic weapons and the Star (t) Wars ( my (t) for reality check) programme. Only to discover that in the amended bill all terms relating to exotic weaponry have been removed- including chemtrails. At this point, you understand that government do not want you to know what they are up to and will not let it out to the public.

Problem 7
Having realised that you cannot find a political solution to the problem, you wonder what direct action you can take? Suddenly a new doorway
opens up; your research has led you to a pseudo scientist called Don Croft. A man who has adapted a device from an invention called a cloud buster (Wilhelm Reich) and is using it to destroy chemtrails. Although highly sceptical, you start to look at the information and your first instincts are what a load of rubbish, this person has cobbled together some copper tubes, a bucket, some resin, a few crystals and metal shavings from machine shop floors and calls it a chembuster. The whole contraption can be put together for less that £30.00 pounds. Your brain catches hold of the beauty of the idea and you inwardly laugh at a cheap device that could beat a billion dollar operation. Alas, you discover that Mr Croft and his wife are using similar so-called orgone technologies to thwart mind control created by microwave, HAARP, and GWEN (2, 3 ) towers. They are also using physics and are being helped by so-called friendly alien entities; they have graphic adventures, which could only be described as science fiction. You file it into the ‘nutty professor bin’ and move on. How ludicrous!

Problem 8
Once you move into the star (t) wars arena you come face to face with political lies and deceit. You learn about black projects, mind control, secret governments, Illuminati, UFO’s and real aliens. Then you discover links from the last 50 years. Nazi scientist given new identities, the Bush family connections with Hitler, you can trace the family genealogy all the way back to Edward the 1st. How Betchtel is a company we should all have deep concerns about. Why did they never actual capture Hitler, Osama, Saddam, and you find out that the Bush CIA connections and all the above assets are intrinsically linked. Even the JFK Assignation is linked to the Bush junta etc. You start to think you have lived in a major conspiracy all your life and that somehow it all forms a unified theory of everything.

This hurdle, to the sensible activist, is something you know you cannot overcome. After all, you are just a mere mortal and do not have the budget and resources to compete with monolithic Corp/Gov/Media and now you are in the area of dark evil stuff. Even with your newfound etheric energy, the voice inside your head (and fear) is cautioning you to run away.

Problem 9
One day, you spot out of the corner of your eye something sparkling just at the edge of a ubiquitous chemtrail. As you brain adapts to what you are seeing, it disappears. Two days later, you see the same thing. Nevertheless, this time you recognise it as some kind of glowing silver orb about the size of a basketball, you watch it for a few seconds and it suddenly disappears. Then a week later, another silver orb appears in and amongst chemtrails. This time you notice that it is moving up and down and from side to side, you watch it for ten minutes and then it just literally disappears once again. You rush home to tell your wife, but your wife no longer listens to you. You are identified as a freak and you only have your digital family left. Common sense would tell you to stop what you are doing and run like hell.

Problem 10
You are now classified as a conspiracy theorist , but have discovered that “conspiracy”, in this case, is just another word for the “truth”. Now, the doors of perception spring open. You discover that we are not ALONE and you become a target after a few months. First, it is your phone that starts acting funny; then you discover that your e-mails are being intercepted; at certain times of the night you are sweating, twisting and turning; your dreamscape becomes even more absurd; you wake feeling burnt and disorientated. You now understand what microwave ELF energy really is. Your ears start ringing, you pick up strange frequencies.

You are now being attacked and you doubt your own sanity. Where do you go from here? After a few days, you realise that your perceptions are correct: this whole thing is wrong and you are damn well going to find the underlying cause of it, even though you know it is going to kill you or you are going to get locked up under some trumped-up charge or some psychological problems.

You spend a few weeks just on research you look at what geoengineering really is and what mad solutions to the problem are being tabled. The thing to look at is not so much the crazy proposals which are definitely being used in the chemtrail conundrum, but who is proposing the Geoengineers. They are invariably scientists from biotech industries (with a mountain of funding) from the usual corporate suspects (Exxon et. al.). So, your natural question
would be: Why aren’t the earth scientists involved? Why are we not looking at algae growth as opposed to pouring tons of iron into the oceans? Why is there no debate on this problem and why do we have to accept what the (nutty) mechanistic scientists are doing to our planet?

Break 2
Nutty Scientists! At this point and with a mass of crazy information, you need to take stock. You decide to lock yourself away and think. You choose the Descartes route and question your whole chemtrail research. Nutty scientists, secret governments…NWO!

An old friendly voice in your head goes off. “USE THE FORCE LUKE”

The NWO, secret government, and fascist policies had chosen geoengineering over climate engineering proposed by earth scientists to negate the problems of CO2 emissions for fat profits of the self-chosen elite, thus protecting the status quo of big business and the Illuminati. This has been sold to the spider flyers (chemtrail pilots) as ‘ you are doing your world a great service’ (pandering to gung-ho ego’s). A solution has also been sold to congress that allows them to continue as normal and negates the need to solve the real cause of global problems: namely, the need for social engineering and a switch to cleaner energy sources, particularly FREE energy, which they have denied for years. They must protect this lie and the status quo, even though the outcome of geoengineering will no doubt create a situation that we will not be able to control. Secrecy has to be kept to a maximum under national security clauses. Whistle blowers could face the death penalty for not spilling the geoengineered beans; they are doing the planet a great service, under the false believe system perpetrated by the secret government. They are trying to protect the original lie to justify this nutty science.

For years we have been told chemtrails do not exist. That free energy is nonsense and that aliens are just another crackpot’s warped imagination to stop you from believing that we are the only intelligence in the known universe. We are told that the secret government and Illuminati are just conspiracies and so on.

Perhaps we should look harder for the real conspiracy instead of the everyday, controlled pseudo-reality being dished out to us.

http://digitalinsurgents.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/the-chemtrail-rabbit-hole/

[ace]

A friend of mine invited me to a dinner party, back end of last year. Amongst the guest was a pilot (Low budget airline flying around Europe) While in all honesty he did not know what they were doing, he did say they are not normal.

Fred259 I find your conclusion that Dumping fuel is responsible for this a little shallow.

Here in Paris we are sprayed up to 4 times a week, have been for years.

The idea that 4 times a week from morning to night, planes have been dumping fuel in a perfect grid formation I find to be a little wack!!

For one it is against aviation rules for any airline to dump fuel over a populated area, unless a mayday situation is occurring.

What next Fred? Television is good for me? Santa clause and the tooth fairy are real?

Regards
Ace

[Bob_2011]

You Chemtrail guys are in danger of getting a visit from Louis Theroux, dont take that the wrong way as he is known for interviewing the crazy people of this world,

It may be an opotunity for you guys to explain yourselves to those of us who are not of your kind.

[Fred259]

A friend of mine invited me to a dinner party, back end of last year. Amongst the guest was a pilot (Low budget airline flying around Europe) While in all honesty he did not know what they were doing, he did say they are not normal.

[QUOTE]Fred259 I find your conclusion that Dumping fuel is responsible for this a little shallow.

I didn’t say that at all. Dumping fuel has no connection with vapor trails. I was explaining that pictures of aircraft dumping fuel have in the past been associated with those who want to believe in chemtrailing.



Here in Paris we are sprayed up to 4 times a week, have been for years.

Why only four times per week, are you certain it’s four, what about three. What happens on the other days? Could I suggest to you that these are in fact its perfectly normal contrails.

Do you seriously think the French Government would permit the population of Paris to be sprayed from aerial platforms?


The idea that 4 times a week from morning to night, planes have been dumping fuel in a perfect grid formation I find to be a little wack!!

I didn’t say they were dumping fuel. What you are looking at are contrails that happen all day every day. When they are less obvious, which is why you report 4 days, ie it doesn’t happen every day, it’s due to changes in the temperature and relative humidity in the upper atmosphere.


For one it is against aviation rules for any airline to dump fuel over a populated area, unless a mayday situation is occurring.

Forget fuel dumping, it doesn’t happen that often. The fuel isn’t dumped, rather blown under high pressure to atmosphere where it evaporates. The same happens with the spoiled water from the galley and toilets. Don’t worry it all evaporates. You should be more concerned with the wild pigeons in Paris crapping on your head than worrying about Chemtrails.


What next Fred? Television is good for me? Santa clause and the tooth fairy are real?

I agree you probably have more chance of seeing Santa Clause or indeed the tooth fairy over Paris, than aircraft spraying chemicals.

[ace]

Fred, I am going to leave it at that with you, "we can agree to disagree"
You have made your case and I will respect your point of view.

You Know, I would not at this point say, you are a paid de-bunker.

For now, I am happy to assume you are a human being with your opinion.
And you have every right to that.

Will let you know if I see The tooth fairy over Paris!! ;)


Regards
Ace

[Bill Ryan]

All perfectly normal.

Maybe not! :)


http://circular_chemtrail_aircraft.jpghttp://projectavalon.net/circular_chemtrail_aircraft.jpg

[Charlie Pecos]

Very interesting Bill, where did you find that picture?

[JoshERTW]

I've seen this "chemtrail weather modification conspiracy theory" before.
On the "control" of the "release" of the weather modification particles, anybody on this site who has an even halfway knowledge of the atmosphere will have seen and will know that jet contrails will appear and dissapear according to very small changes in temperatures and the water vapour levels in the upper atmosphere which controls whether the moisture in the jet exhaust condenses out and we see a contrail.

Nothing at all conspiratorial about that,

Just a natural phenomena that is also integral to high cloud formation.

As for a small level of particles being injected into the atmosphere to alter the weather, the rainmakers around the globe like in the USA, Australia, China and others have been trying to do this for decades with very little to show for their attempts except in a few isolated cases.


It's not a conspiracy - Weather modification is a stated goal of the US Military, see here:

http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf

It's also well documented that chemical spraying during the vietnam war was used to extend the rainy season in that country by a number of months to create flooding. This was one of the first officially documented tests, theres bound to be plenty of undocumented stuff since the projects went black (as they always seem to do).

I highly recommend "What in the World Are They Spraying"

They show you the scientific proof right there - they put the actual results of soil tests up on the screen multiple times.

[Fred259]

[QUOTE]I've seen this "chemtrail weather modification conspiracy theory" before.
On the "control" of the "release" of the weather modification particles, anybody on this site who has an even halfway knowledge of the atmosphere will have seen and will know that jet contrails will appear and dissapear according to very small changes in temperatures and the water vapour levels in the upper atmosphere which controls whether the moisture in the jet exhaust condenses out and we see a contrail.

Nothing at all conspiratorial about that,

Just a natural phenomena that is also integral to high cloud formation.

As for a small level of particles being injected into the atmosphere to alter the weather, the rainmakers around the globe like in the USA, Australia, China and others have been trying to do this for decades with very little to show for their attempts except in a few isolated cases.



It's not a conspiracy - Weather modification is a stated goal of the US Military, see here:

http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf

Why do you say that JoshERTW, again you are being naughty,

Read the document, first and foremost it doesn’t look like a military document and the language used is not what you would expect from those serving in the military, even the US military.

The disclaimer on page two says;

“The views expressed in this report and those of the authors and do not reflect the official policy or position of the United States Air Force, Department of Defense or the United States Government”


On the basis of the disclaimer on page two of the report which is clear and concise why do you type;

“It's not a conspiracy - Weather modification is a stated goal of the US Military, see here”

Now I'm going to be called a de-bunker, and how much am I getting paid. I’m not I’m just pointing out what is printed within the document and is obvious.

[mojo]

Jump to: navigation, search
A debunker is an individual who discredits and contradicts claims as being false, exaggerated or pretentious.

It's not such a good thing to have the opinion that claims are false before you give any thought to the evidence, being skeptical is good but a debunker is premeditated and biased.

[K626]

Think it's silly to say there is no sparaying whatsoever going on, cause there is, it just isn't possible to discern at this time the exact nature or motivation for it. To my mind if it was seriously harmful and to do with control (of various natures) then THEY would be targetting Africa and suchlike. I'm still undecided either way on the exact nature of the phenomenon. It is however clear that aerosol spraying of various differents types has been tried and is ongoing.

Peace

K

[Fred259]

Loveandgratitude, I am responding to your threads #71 - #77. Perhaps another way to look at this would be for you to sit down with a cup of coffee and have a quick look at the following documents. It wont take long, you will be much better informed, and you will have done it yourself rather than rely on the mumbo jumbo.

Quality is often better than quantity particularly so when you rely on the internet for your information.

All that is really needed is a general understanding of the International standard atmosphere, and relative humidity. Here are the links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Atmosphere

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_humidity

In simple terms,

Atmosphere & Relative Humidity.

A colder atmosphere and a higher relative humidity will cause contrails to form.

A warmer atmosphere and lower relative humidity will cause contrails to dissipate or not form at all.

Therefore in general above 25,000 feet where the temperature is -35C or less provided relative humidity is high contrails will form.

The lower atmosphere or stratosphere is changing all the time and is influenced mainly by the weather systems, polar fronts, and upper winds. This change explains why some days you think they are chemtrailing and other days they aren't chemtrailing.

Clouds & Contrails.

Clouds will form when the relative humidity is 100% or around 100%. Upper level clouds will be stratiform in shape, thin and are cirrus or cirrostratus. These clouds consist entirely if ice crystals.

Contrails are essentially ice crystals. Gasses expelled from the back of the engine turn instantly from a vapor state to water to ice crystals. These ice crystals will eventually in a stable atmosphere with 100% high relative humidity, turn into stratiform clouds or cirrus.

Upper winds & the striped skies.

Upper winds blow in a completely different direction at altitude compared with sea level. In the northern hemisphere these winds will veer (clock-wise) and increase compared with the wind at sea level. Where you are in the Southern Hemisphere the winds will back (anti-clock) and increase compared with sea level.

Lets now imagine a busy route Sydney - Brisbane. Departing Sydney and passing through 25,000 the temperature starts to decrease rapidly and by 36,000 feet the outside air temp might be around minus -50C.

The gasses are passing through the engine at 2,500 feet per second, and temps around +650C before being ejected into this -50C hostile atmosphere. Instantly the gasses turn to ice crystals and form a contrail, provided the relative humidity is high. No contrail will form if the RH is low.

A massive contrail will form and can stay for hours provided the relative humidity is high. Ninety minutes later the eleven o’clock service departs Sydney for Brisbane and follows the same track, again pulling a massive contrail. Then again at one o’clock and so on all day. Meanwhile the return service Brisbane to Sydney is also operating on the same track, but southbound altitudes will be 34,000 feet and so now we have south bound contrails as well. Many contrails are now featured in the skies and are blown gently by the upper winds. They start to bend and twist or slowly dissipate into upper level cirrus or if it’s very high humidity cirrostratus. These are the stripes in the skies you see and report. This is what you are seeing day in day out.


The Olden days.

In the olden days no self respecting Aussie jockey left Australia without four engines, preferably made in Derby, England by a company called Rolls Royce! Understandably they didn’t want to be pussy footing around the South China Sea, Pacific or Indian Ocean without four reliable donkeys. However as engineering and reliability improved today they venture out on two engines as fitted on the B767 and B777.

The difference is that the rated thrust has increase from circa 60,000lbs to just over 112,000lbs per engine. Almost double.

The General Electric GE90 engine fitted to your Qantas 777 fleet is a monster; eleven feet in diameter this engine produces a whopping 115,000 lbs of trust. Think now of the contrail that baby is going to pull. These engines have only been around for the last ten years and so now instead of having four 60,000 lb engines they now have two much more powerful power plants.

When at high altitude these engines produce massive wide trails, stretching horizon to horizon. KLM the Dutch airline operate B777 Amsterdam to Los Angeles direct, something like a thirteen hour flight. Departing Amsterdam they push up towards 70North before routing over Canada and down Lake Michigan. Ten hours later the aircraft is over the thumb at 38,000feet, and you folks look up and see this all white aircraft pulling a massive contrail in the still morning air.

Then we read on forums; “I saw an all white aircraft chemtrailing, it was definitely all white it must be CIA”. See Pic for proof! No no the aircraft is KLM, Hollanders going to LA. The underside of the fuselage is cold soaked, and is covered in hoar frost (just like your car in winter) and this is why we read these many reports of “white CIA aircraft” You’ve nothing to worry about the Dutch, other than the fact they wear wooden shoes.

GE makes good engines but Rolls Royce is better (despite recent problems). Here is your A380 heading home over the South China Sea at Dawn.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl6iR7w7a_Q


This is a contrail isn't it

PS Global Warmest’s, don’t worry, it's water vapor sublimating to ice crystals.


Turning to your picture.


6752

What are these? Contrails on the airway.

How do you know they are contrails? Because commercial aircraft don’t have tanks, or a delivery system. If they did whistleblowers would have told you so by now.

Prove to me these are contrails? Look at the bottom of the picture and the trees, its winter time; snow is also on the hills in the background. Surface temp, cold, upper altitude temperature -50C (at least) the atmosphere is stable, it’s gin clear not a cloud in the sky, look at the lower latitude of the sun, its low in the sky, this is winter for sure.

The Golden Rule: With a very cold atmosphere and high relative humidity = Contrails will form.

Six contrails in a high RH atmosphere. The second contrail from the left is starting to dissipate into cirrostratus, by the upper winds that are blowing left to right. These contrails have come from twin engine aircraft except the two curvy ones in the middle of the picture which come from four engine aircraft, perhaps even an A380. This could be northern Germany, or equally anywhere in North America, even Sydney – Brisbane; well almost it doesn’t matter if atmospheric conditions are right contrails will form.

Don’t be scared and don’t be fooled by these chemtrail sites.

I have been away for three weeks. Earlier in the year the forum was getting horrendously worried about a pole shift that was due to happen on 15th March according to some. I continually posted that this was impossible, it was all scaremongering and don’t worry folks. I was this, I was that, a flatearther, Muppet, debunker every name under the sun. Bill even visited the thread three time no less and said the same,dont worry but no no no, George Norey and Alex Jones says xyz and so they must be right.. 15,000 page views served up on a complete load of scaremongering. What makes me angry is that’s 15,000 people who left the forum worried about something that was never going to happen, maybe a teenager or single mum or maybe even you.

[Falconwoman]

This is a link to an article that has the names of the CIA's contractors involved in the chemtrailing in the US. The story got started by a drunk pilot that was running his mouth in an effort to impress the ladys. If this info is correct and It seems to be, this could finally pull the lid of this deal. I dont know anything about this site but this story could lead to alot of noise on the subject in the comming weeks I'd say. I dont know about ya'll but I've had about all I can stand with them spaying us everyday. Ive watched them in every country Ive been in as well as watched them fly across international borders spraying the whole way. Even in the far reach's of Siberia, although not as often as the US.Check this out, http://www.2012theawakening.com/?p=4032

It's about time the truth cam out about this. thanks for the info.

[Patrikas]

Hi all,
i would like to say that this issue is one part of a very interesting set of important events happening globally that we are all looking into as best we can with our own expertise & whats available physically on the internet whilst trying to wade through the seemingly knee deep BS known to us as disinfo and its many extensions of assistence that help it along on its way, whilst traveling along together on this at times emotional journey.
I can state my reasons and intent in this thread were because the "chemtrail" label definately caught my attention and i wished to understand it more, in the course of this i found other info from threads here that triggered offshoots that seemed to be connected or perhaps could be connected , so i thank "all" who posted here because all, for me, contributed a part of where i am at with this subject ,......i am not into fear, my preference is solutions and action..., intent plays its part also, and for me it is discerned, so i thank those of good intent and we each know who we are,and for those who seem to me, to be of a rigid mind in their understanding i will share this ... by holding onto rigid beliefs about being "fully" correct and rigid concerning any subject & wether they are called "expert" by mans laws or understandings or are conscious of it... or not... can withhold information from themselves.

Having said that i still have this question, and it is in relation to the links i posted in a previous post here on this thread ............
What is this .....and if it is correct info... what system delivers it to what seems to me to be more than just human hosts

Video
http://www.carnicom.com/morgvid1.htm

Aerosol crimes website
http://www.carnicom.com/

[jimbojp]

Can anyone explain this,

I see a plane in the sky in the distance, it has no trail, it continues its flight for a minute or so still with no trail.
Then a long trail starts up behind it, it continues for a minute or so with a long trail.
Then the trail stops abruptly and the plane continues into the distance with no trail.
Then another plane does the same thing...
I understand that there could be pockets of humidity in the atmosphere that could cause this...but these trails start and stop very abruptly and stay in the air for hours.
Also these are not passanger planes, when I look at them through binoculars, they have no windows.

:confused: Thanks.

[Rosco1]

As for whether commercial airlines are spraying chemtrails, then you had better believe it.

Most workers who work 'airside', have families and mortgages to pay for. So if they squeal about what is really going on, then they will quickly find themselves out of a job unable to get back into the aircraft industry.
Not only that but if they don't find a job quick enough then they are out of a home.

Doesn't take much brains to figure out that if you squeal about the truth in the industry then you are battling an up hill struggle to prove what is going on.

Pilots are censored in what they can reveal with the threat of national security hanging over their heads.

The airlines that are spraying these can easily be proved if you are armed with a good telescope attached to recording equipment. You should be able then to identify the airlines involved.

Anyone naming any airlines involved would be sued up to the eyeballs!

So until we either get documentation from the military or from elsewhere, then this debate could go on forever.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

some serious disinfo going on here. I have watched the sky since the sixties and i know what contrails look like... and let me tell you the stuff they are pumping in the skies every day over my head is not a contrail. We never have blue skies any more, there is always an insidious oily grey scum in the sky. i dont need to be an optician to be able to believe my own eyes! The sun is never a focused spot in the sky but rather a diffused radiance. Say what you will so-called experts, i will continue to believe what i see!

Mondaze, if as you say you have watched the skies since the sixties then you will also be aware of the immense growth in air travel since the sixties. Do you consider this may have some bearing on matters?

You say you live in Cheshire UK one of the busiest sections of airspace in Western Europe. How many aircraft do you think pass over your country per 24 hours?

Where is the evidence of this activity, Who is manufacturing these chemicals? Who are the distributors? How are these chemicals delivered to the aircraft? When and who delivers them? Where are they stored on the aircraft? What delivery system is used? How is it activated? What about documentation? Do you think commercial airlines would permit this? Where are the whistleblowers who are directly involved in this crime?

If you have any evidence then it’s at least worthy of consideration. The fact that non of this exists surely should tell you something.


Hurritt Enyeto.

I see you also live in the North West. To answer your post #43, I agree within parts of the US and perhaps elsewhere weather manipulation, cloud seeding and other aerial activities take place. I accept this, however this is very isolated and in general we are talking about what is happening in the skies above our heads including where you live in the North West of England.

Cloud seeding is not taking place overhead Manchester, yet you seem to be of the belief that all aircraft passing overhead are spraying chemicals on the good folks of Manchester. Again where is the evidence?

You talk about huge canisters strapped under some commercial jets? I’m totally lost and bewildered by your question, this does not happen and further nothing is strapped as you put it? Come on be serious Hurritt, do you have any examples or evidence of this?

Hi Fred259,
It does not take a rocket scientist to see how different 'contrails' look now as opposed to how they used to look.
Contrails quickly disperse (no matter how calm the weather is) these modern 'contrails' last much longer (sometimes for hours and hours) do not disperse in the same manner as normal contrails.

Here is an article where the U.N acknowledges chemtrails.
Do they still not exist?
http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFTOE69K02U20101021

Ps you know full well i didn't mean canisters were actually strapped under aircraft,
would welded/bolted suit you better?

Here is another person who participated in chemtrails being sprayed by commercial jets http://www.carnicom.com/mgr1.htm
*excerpt from article*
About twenty employees in our office were briefed along with my by two
officials from some government agency. They didn't tell us which one.
They told us that the government was going to pay our airline, along
with others, to release special chemicals from commercial aircraft.
When asked what the chemicals were and why we were going to spray them,
they told us that information was given on a need-to-know basis and we
weren't cleared for it. They then went on to state that the chemicals
were harmless, but the program was of such importance that it needed to
be done at all costs. When we asked them why didn't they just rig
military aircraft to spray these chemicals, they stated that there
weren't enough military aircraft available to release chemicals on such
a large basis as needs to be done. That's why Project Cloverleaf was
initiated, to allow commercial airlines to assist in releasing these
chemicals into the atmosphere.
*end*
Of course you will say its not an 'official' statement.

Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR6KVYJ73AU&feature=player_embedded#at=125

Cheers
Hurritt

[Patrikas]

Roscoe#.....definately a valid point and logical thinking for sure ,no doubt it would be correct in more than one instance...IMHO all still have options in the instances it is applicable to ........and could choose to not be a part of a program that they knowingly are a part of that is an atrocity in motion ...by diffrerent employment ...its a personal thing in the end of choices....i personally would not knowingly be a part of it,i dont know if there will every be truth from milatary about it and i certainly wouldnt hold my breath waiting for it because to me it would be a distraction .......thanx stay well

[JoshERTW]

The disclaimer on page two says;

“The views expressed in this report and those of the authors and do not reflect the official policy or position of the United States Air Force, Department of Defense or the United States Government”


On the basis of the disclaimer on page two of the report which is clear and concise why do you type;

“It's not a conspiracy - Weather modification is a stated goal of the US Military, see here”

Now I'm going to be called a de-bunker, and how much am I getting paid. I’m not I’m just pointing out what is printed within the document and is obvious.

Hey, that's plausible deniability for you. I've been involved in the drafting of many contracts, and you always leave yourself an out. That's just common practice, and good business. C.Y.A.

Why write the document at all then? Slow day at the military think tank?

It certainly represents the views of someone who is at least within arm's length of the military, and that's enough of a "statement" for me, disclaimer or no disclaimer.

I have my beliefs and you have yours - guess we will have to leave it at that.

The tone of this thread is getting too far into the "bad mojo" region for me in some spots I'm afraid (that's not a jab at Fred). Enough bickering and negativity going on with these elections and revolutions and earthquakes and everything else in the world. Cheers - J

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Blatant chemtrailing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSSWnXQsgOU&feature=related

Not crop spraying,
Not cloud seeding,
Not fuel dumping,
So what is it doing if not spraying chemicals?

Cheers
Hurritt

[dAkapacity]

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but to those who believe chem- are contrails conning us so that we believe them to be chemies... could you explain why the British government admitted spraying biological weapons on top of their population from the 1940's up to 1979.

This is not me stating this based on some Youtube-video I saw or some obscure website I found... It's based on a Holy Guardian article from 2002:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience)

Now they can't be wrong, can they? They're mainstream
(Oops! I'm undermining my case here... :confused:)

Now entertain us and say that was something completely different or that they wouldn't do such a thing anymore, because they saw they were doing something that wasn't so nice...
:drag:


Love y'all!
xdA.

[Hiram]

This "drunk pilot" story is interesting, as he names some players. I am all but certain that chem-spraying is being done.

Why have we not had good intel on why? There is a huge hole in the whistleblower community as to WHY they are spraying. Why has no reputable source come forth?

Everyone has an idea as to why...many ideas.

We should be asking ourselves the question: why has not one person who is in the know about this come forth in 20 years??

[Bob_2011]

If we broaden the subject of chemtrails to chemicals in our daily life then once you relise that those dangerous chemicals that your so worried about that you say are falling from the skys are in fact right under your noses IN YOUR HOUSE.

You, me and everybody involved in the modern world are treated to a daily dose of chemicals, 70,000 new chemicals have been introduced since the war.

And if you think by leaving the house to go to work you might get some relief from your toxic home, naa , they will get you there as well, and while your driving back and throw in your brand new car you might get some fresh air, well you better drive a convertable then as a new report has just found that your new car will give off a multitude of harmful fumes.

So is it really the chemicals your concerned about or is it this percieved conspiracy to do you down your more focussing on.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSCXxMa4x4k



And i havent even mentioned what chemicals are in your food, that could take up a whole new thread,

[Rosco1]

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[Fred259]

[QUOTE]As for whether commercial airlines are spraying chemtrails, then you had better believe it.

OK. How is this being done?


Most workers who work 'airside', have families and mortgages to pay for. So if they squeal about what is really going on, then they will quickly find themselves out of a job unable to get back into the aircraft industry.

You must think that everyone else is as disingenuous as you. I personally know many around the world who are exposing a number serious issues. Many more are active who I don’t know, Dan Hanley who is fine is a prime example.




Pilots are censored in what they can reveal with the threat of national security hanging over their heads.

Who told you this? Do you have any evidence of this? Censored by who? A number of avenues are available including this one. http://www.chirp.co.uk


The airlines that are spraying these can easily be proved if you are armed with a good telescope attached to recording equipment. You should be able then to identify the airlines involved.

Which airlines are spraying? Again how is this being done?



Anyone naming any airlines involved would be sued up to the eyeballs!

Quite righty so

[Fred259]

Hurritt Enyeto, I am responding to your post,


It does not take a rocket scientist to see how different 'contrails' look now as opposed to how they used to look.

I agree. I’m also 20 years older than you so I remember how they were in the 1960s. But you have to accept that even in the last fifteen years that the explosion in air travel has caused this massive increase in contrails in the skies.

In the Manchester terminal area for example, you look up and see maybe what you think are lets say fifty contrails, however in reality its more like three or four hundred, and that’s when you leave the house in the morning. By midday another five hundred will have passed over Manchester. You have to appreciate the volume of traffic and the number of engines. That’s what’s causing the contrails.

If you don’t believe this go back fifteen years and look at the passenger traffic stats for all Scottish and Irish airports and compare them to today’s figure. All these flights go over Manchester. Fifteen years ago Manchester had only one runway. Now they have two. Why was it necessary to build another runway?


Contrails quickly disperse (no matter how calm the weather is) these modern 'contrails' last much longer (sometimes for hours and hours) do not disperse in the same manner as normal contrails.

No they don’t. Who told you this Hurritt ? Contrails will form depending on the temperature and relative humidity at altitude. Sometimes they don’t form at all. Sometimes they last all day, particularly in winter.

If you want to understand about contrails read these posts on the International standard atmosphere, and relative humidity. Here are the links. If you do this you will know what you are talking about, until then you dont.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Atmosphere

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_humidity


Here is an article where the U.N acknowledges chemtrails.
Do they still not exist?
http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFTOE69K02U20101021

That’s not what the report says at all. Did you read the report? Where in the report does it say the United Nations acknowledges Chemtrails?

The report in fact refers to Canadian advocacy organisation ETC Group, who are lobbying the United Nations on a number of climate change Geo Engineering issues.



Ps you know full well i didn't mean canisters were actually strapped under aircraft,
would welded/bolted suit you better?

What Canisters are you talking about? I don’t know any aircraft that is fitted with Canisters? Are you sure you are not confusing them for something else? Flap actuator housings for example may look like canisters; they are just a housing containing a motor and hydraulic system to raise and lower flaps. Can you be more specific?



Here is another person who participated in chemtrails being sprayed by commercial jets http://www.carnicom.com/mgr1.htm]*Of course you will say its not an 'official' statement.

No I’m not saying its not an official statement, I have looked at it and studied project cloverleaf, listened to the videos, and frankly I find it hard to report to you what Project Cloverleaf is all about. Yes they say they plan to disperse chemicals from commercial aircraft, and so I get excited we are now getting somewhere, then its more bla bla about the JFK assassination and the Israelis then the Russians followed by Ronald Regan and after forty minutes we are none the wiser. Essentially no detail is forthcoming.

While all this is going on the video is showing a picture of Philippines B767 flying around dumping fuel in a holding stack. Eventually the aircraft lands. Then we have fixed images of drums inside aircraft cabins and other misleading images which are well know and totally unconnected with chemtrailing. This could be all part of a mental framing of the mind coupled with the voiceover. Im sorry that this is all I have been able to report and so really we are no further forward.

What I can say is that during the earlier 9/11 investigation it became very clear many years ago that very powerful forces were at work subverting the truth, and it’s my view that practically every 9/11 information source is way wide of the mark. I did find out a few years ago from colleagues in the US airline industry that GE General Electric were funding this subversion and cover up of 9/11 and just recently it’s been reported again that the same company have again been funding probably much of what you hear and read about on well…. take your pick! If truth be known Boeing Inc could solve every aspect of the 9/11 in a twenty minute press conference. They choose however not to do so.

Again we are faced with accusations, and bold statements without any evidence and so again I have to say where is the evidence that this is going on. Who is filling tanks in commercial aircraft with chemicals? Where are these tanks fitted? What power system drives these pumps? Where is the circuit breaker for this system? Which bus bar is it on? How many gallons are chemicals are loaded? What is the weight? All we seem to get are very forthright statements that Chemtrailing is definitely going on and no supporting evidence from anyone?

How do you suggest we proceed Hurritt Enyeto ?

[Fred259]

This "drunk pilot" story is interesting, as he names some players. I am all but certain that chem-spraying is being done.

Why have we not had good intel on why? There is a huge hole in the whistleblower community as to WHY they are spraying. Why has no reputable source come forth?

Everyone has an idea as to why...many ideas.

We should be asking ourselves the question: why has not one person who is in the know about this come forth in 20 years??

You are answering your own question Hiram. If you have to ask yourself so many Why’s does that not tell you something.

For sure contractors may be involved in cloud seeding or aerial spraying in the US and UK, I happen to know a company in the UK who has a government contract for coastal and oil spill spraying but this does not mean that the whole of the country is being sprayed from commercial aircraft, it’s ludicrous.

The UK military are certainly not involved in this actively they don’t have the resources and frankly I doubt if the US military have either.

No evidence exists of this. No delivery system exists. If this is not the case where is the evidence?

[TigerLilly]

This thread has been very informative and helpful.

As you say Fred there is certainly some spraying but I cannot believe that huge areas of the planet are being regularly sprayed despite all the videos and photos.
I am sure there is crop spraying, and some experiments with weather manipulation, and of course the fuel dumping.

For me the best evidence is what I see around me. I live in rural France, which according to the maps and videos posted is supposed to be regularly sprayed.

Firstly regarding the trails themselves, last week when the weather was wet and quite cold the sky was full of trails . This week has been warm and dry and guess what no trails, not one for days. This would appear to support all that Fred has said about humidity and temperature.

Secondly, its spring and the countyside is bursting with health. This area is quite rural so there is less polution and the people eat a more traditional health diet (less junk food and additives). I look around and I see healthy happy people living in beautiful countryside.
If we were being regularly sprayed with poisons and heavy metals this would not be possible. the trees and fields would be suffering, the people would be ill.
Yes I know there is poor health in cities but thats where the polution and fast food is.

The poisons are everywhere, in our food, homes, drugs, exaust fumes etc, but I see little real evidence that they are being sprayed from the air.

[loveandgratitude]

Dedicated to all The Flatearthers -

Rosalind Peterson of California Skywatch was a certified USDA Farm Service Agency Crop Loss Adjustor working in more than ten counties throughout California. She now spearheads a watchdog group that monitors uncontrolled experimental weather modification programs, atmospheric heating and testing programs, and ocean and atmospheric experimental geoengineering programs Peterson is at the forefront of the chemtrail research field and how the unexplained patterns that scar our skies are “causing detrimental human health effects and environmental degradation.” In this 1-hour plus video exclusive for Prison Planet.tv members, Peterson reveals how she was first spurred to investigate chemtrails after being alerted to them by someone at the Mendocino County Probation Department. Peterson then began to intensely study the phenomenon and note that aircraft producing the trails would circle the county in a clock-like loop, covering the entire area with a cloudy haze in as little as three hours. Peterson cites NASA studies showing that the chemtrails turn into man-made clouds, exacerbating artificial climate change. However, Peterson states her contention that NASA is attempting to cover-up the true nature of chemtrails and convince people that they are a natural phenomenon, a ruse dutifully parroted by top weather and satellite observatories, who as Peterson explains acknowledge the fact that man-made chemtrails are changing the weather yet still label them as natural weather fronts …


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTxvWLrUeE8&feature=player_embedded

[loveandgratitude]

Air Force Pilot Admits Spraying

People continue to become ill as high levels of chemicals show up in random testing of soil and water supplies, after witnesses photograph KC-135s and KC-10s outfitted with what appears to be a “spraying device.” The circular device is obviously not a refueling probe. A former Air Force pilot tells a reporter, “Yeah, we have them, but were not supposed to talk about it.”

The South Coast Air Quality Management District tentatively identifies the powder wafting down from the sky as “cedar pollen.” But a biologist retorts that December is not the season when cedar pollen normally appears. And when pollen appears in the spring, it does not “explode.” Several witnesses saw a yellow cloud “exploding” in the skies over the Lake Arrowhead area.

According to a press story, community after community continue to report that hundreds of people are becoming ill at the same time-usually following heavy chemtrail activity. Three physicians report an increasing number of patients being seen for similar illness.

“Persistent hacking coughs, upper respiratory and intestinal distress, pneumonia, extreme fatigue, lethargy, dizziness, disorientation, splitting headaches, elevated arthritis symptoms and unexplainable nosebleeds are just a few of the symptoms these doctors have described. These doctors have said they are seeing larger numbers of patients with these complaints during or within days after the times that the physicians themselves have observed a larger number of chemtrails in the skies above mountain communities.”

Pharmacist Ed Burrows is sick himself. Since early December he has been suffering from a respiratory ailment that has includes a “gooey phlegm” that, despite his best efforts, he has been unable to relieve. Burrows said the issue is raising “high concern” for him that his health may be “jeopardized.” Burrows says he “feels that it is directly related” to recent chemtrail activity.

“Our government’s refusal to level with the people indicates that whatever it is they are polluting our environment with must be dangerous and/or unhealthy. There is no need to be secretive if what you are doing is beneficial,” he says. “As the former owner and pharmacist of the Lake Gregory Pharmacy for more than two decades, this is the first time in those 22 years I’ve witnessed so many in our community suffering with respiratory ailments with no apparent cause… ” [Alpenhorn News Dec 7/05]

For more go here: http://willthomasonline.net/willthomasonline/Chemtrails_Timeline_3.html

[loveandgratitude]

Information For Chemtrail Skeptics
I have been a pilot for 10 years and I believe this information to be IMPORTANT

I am not here to debate, just pass real information concerning chemical spraying from jets known as Chemtrails.

Yes the government constantly denies such a thing and calls people like myself conspiracy nut jobs. But when confronted and caught red handed, they go and say that they are to protect us from (the fraud) Global Warming or the Military will go and say they spray to block out enemy radar and satellites when deploying troops or launching an operation.

I would like anyone believer or non-believer to download this PDF file called HR 2977 The Space & Preservation Act of 2001, in this document the United States Government openly admits the existence of Chemtrails & Weather Control Weapons, also to boot Mass Mind Control Weapons and Techtronic Laser Weapons. Please download this Bill and print this out for your records.

This next document is an article from USA Today from Feb 25th, 2011 titled Can Geoengineering put the freeze on global warming? The article admits that Chemtrails and Geoengineering exist but its done to protect us from Global Warming.

Still not convinced?? What if I told you that there are patents for these very such things. This was released on December 5th, 2010 titled Spraying the Skies: 1975 U.S. Patent for Powder Contrail Generation with patents dating back all the way to March 1st, 1927.


This is just the tip of the iceberg, there are so many other documents to prove such things exist.

I myself am a Pilot for over 10 years and have worked in the aviation field for about the same amount of years; from a professional point of view, I can say that there is a huge difference between condensation (con-trail) and a chemical trail (chemtrail). A condensation trail dissipates as the jet moves along, a chemical trail will stay and expand into man-made clouds used for various weather experiments loaded with toxic chemicals that we breath in on a daily basis.

Chemicals include:
Arsenic, Aerosol, Barium, Depleted Uranium, high levels of Mercury, Aluminum, and several other toxic chemicals. These are a huge cause in most respitory breathing problems in America. I did a beta test on how many cases of an ambulance being called within a 8-hour period from respitory problems, people of all ages infant to elderly that can’t breathe. I worked in a facility in Springfield, MA where I monitored operations and we had a Police-Fire scanner. I monitored an average of 8-13 calls every day within that 8-hour period of people who could not breathe.

Once these chemicals are sprayed, several hours later they descend towards ground level and the human body inhales these toxic fumes. You may ask if wearing a gas mask is safe -- well, you may protect your lungs, but also remember that the plants breathe these chemicals in as well, affecting your foods grown and water you drink along with the already added poison Sodium Fluoride and all its derivatives to the water and GMO food crops incorporated by your friends at Monsanto.

For information or sources relating to Chemtrails & Geoengineering:
www.infowars.com
www.prisonplanet.com
www.activistpost.com
www.weatherwars.info

RELATED ARTICLES:
7 Secret Ways We Are Being Poisoned
5 Global Warming Solutions That Should Make Us Cringe

Please download - PDF File - http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-107hr2977ih/pdf/BILLS-107hr2977ih.pdf H. R. 2977

[B]Spraying the Skies: 1975 U.S. Patent for Powder Contrail Generation -
http://www.infowars.com/spraying-the-skies-1975-u-s-patent-for-powder-contrail-generation/

This is just the tip of the iceberg, there are so many other documents to prove such things exist.

[Fred259]

Blatant chemtrailing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSSWnXQsgOU&feature=related

Not crop spraying,
Not cloud seeding,
Not fuel dumping,
So what is it doing if not spraying chemicals?

Cheers
Hurritt

Everything about this video Hurritt Enyeto is one hundred percent fake.

They have even formed an organisation called “Tanker Force” showing you how serious they are, and as you would expect some appropriate music is included for your overall comfort and enjoyment.

They say it’s a KC-10 “Tanker”. They want you to think that the cabin is fitted with “Tanks” just like a petrol tanker, no no no it’s not, the cabin is stripped bare and is empty. No tanks no seats it’s empty. The aircraft isn’t even a KC-10 “Tanker” rather it’s a DC-10 Commercial aircraft.

They want you to think that they sneaked up, like excited children on christmas morning and Oh oh oh Look at this … Proof !! It’s complete utter tosh…. The guys in the front aircraft were watching each and every move of this on here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision_avoidance_system

Fifty miles back while they were pretending to sneak up (and tricking you) the traffic collision avoidance system detected the intruder and started tracking it. At 20 miles with the children still sneaking up the TCAS starts to flash like this - flash flash,- flash flash-, flash flash-, it tells you what to do to avoid the intruder, if however you take no action the bell goes off, (its like a school bell) dring dring - flash flash - dring dring - flash flash – if you still continue to ignore the warning it just gets louder and louder. You can’t cancel the bell until the TCAS detects you taking avoiding action.

Don’t fall for this video; it’s made by blithering idiots for idiots, and thankfully that doesn’t include you.

What is quite serious about this video is that evil people exist and publish rubbish like this to scare the population. If you buy into this, they win.

[ponda]

Hiram said:

We should be asking ourselves the question: why has not one person who is in the know about this come forth in 20 years??

As Bills pic suggests some of the spraying might be done by et's and the human pilots that might do the rest are probably being monitored/mind controlled so don't/can't come forward.I think it might be the same sort of reason why no one has come forward re 911 with inside info and why virtually no elite insiders ever come forward....mind control by AI or very large conscious entities or group mind conscious entities.The same goes for all of the people who helped to construct the underground bases and those who work in black ops.It might be all part of the control matrix.That is not to say that all or some of the spraying might be done for negative reasons.

[Hervé]

You want to see something really scarry?

Here is a pause to acknowledge the XWinds pros:

WpurK0gwC08

A YouTube comment:


I flew into Wellington about 12 times. AND NOT ONCE DID I HAVE A LANDING WITHOUT WATCHING MY WHOLE LIFE FLASH BY EYES. WITHOUT MY HEART STOPPING UNTIL I GET TO BAG RECLAIM. WITHOUT MY FINGERS CRUSHING THE ARMRESTS. WITHOUT PROMISING GOD I'LL BE GOOD FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE AND DONATE ALL MY MONEY AND ASSETS TO CHARITY.


Thx

[Fred259]

No no Ponda please Bills Pic is just a joke, he doesn’t really think the ET are chemtrailing, he was just sharing the image, I’m certain; struth I don’t think we really know what that is but it’s probably doing Mach 25. It’s not flying around the world chemtrailing. Red Flag Red Flag!

You say human pilots are maybe mind controlled. Interesting concept, have you ever considered it might be you who’s mind controlled?

[ponda]

No no Ponda please Bills Pic is just a joke, he doesn’t really think the ET are chemtrailing, he was just sharing the image, I’m certain; struth I don’t think we really know what that is but it’s probably doing Mach 25. It’s not flying around the world chemtrailing. Red Flag Red Flag!

You say human pilots are maybe mind controlled. Interesting concept, have you ever considered it might be you who’s mind controlled?


Yeah i've definitely been mind controlled lots of times.There's direct and indirect mind control.Indirect mind control can be from propaganda,advertising,education,subliminal messaging,laws etc etc.Regarding the pilots i'm talking about direct mind control.You might be surprised just how common it is.NO i can't prove it.

As for the ufo's spraying the skies.I think it's almost certain.No i can't prove it,it's just my opinion.I was googling info on ufo's about 8 months ago and came across a 2000 article from a local newspaper from the Byron Bay area in Oz where a former Israeli airforce guy said that he seen a picture of what looked like a ufo spraying the skies of Byron Bay.The question might be WHY they do it.To dumb us down,poison us,protect us ?

Quote from the article:


BBCIC NEWS: A professional photographer in Byron Bay took two rolls of films last Thursday of a very heavy Chemtrails activity over Byron Bay. When he developed the films he found many 'floating objects' between the Chemtrails. Shlomo, who was formerly with the Israeli Air Force and was teaching UFO's at UCLA, California, inspected the slides and determined that the 'floating objects' are classical UFO's. As the Australian public is not very familiar with the subject of UFO's, Shlomo has decided not to discuss the UFO's locally in order not to confuse the Chemtrail issue at the moment. Shlomo is now negotiating to post these spectacular UFO-Chemtrail photos on the Jeff Rense website soon.



Here's the link:

http://www.worldgathering.net/world/byronbay2.html

[NancyV]

This "drunk pilot" story is interesting, as he names some players. I am all but certain that chem-spraying is being done.

Why have we not had good intel on why? There is a huge hole in the whistleblower community as to WHY they are spraying. Why has no reputable source come forth?

Everyone has an idea as to why...many ideas.

We should be asking ourselves the question: why has not one person who is in the know about this come forth in 20 years??

You are answering your own question Hiram. If you have to ask yourself so many Why’s does that not tell you something.

For sure contractors may be involved in cloud seeding or aerial spraying in the US and UK, I happen to know a company in the UK who has a government contract for coastal and oil spill spraying but this does not mean that the whole of the country is being sprayed from commercial aircraft, it’s ludicrous.

The UK military are certainly not involved in this actively they don’t have the resources and frankly I doubt if the US military have either.

No evidence exists of this. No delivery system exists. If this is not the case where is the evidence?
You remind me of myself, Fred, about 10 years ago when I used similar arguments with my friends and called them various names like stupid, blithering idiots, ignorant, conspiracy freaks, braindead, new age airheads, etc. I absolutely refused to believe the chemtrail phenomenon so I certainly wouldn't bother to waste my time looking at all the corroborating evidence. It was only about 4 years ago that I began researching it seriously. I finally called a few of my friends about a year ago and apologized to them for ME being the REAL idiot! Hopefully one day you will do the same.

I don't attempt to provide evidence for or argue with close minded people because I know they will do nothing but debunk the evidence and continue arguing. Until they become more intellectually honest and actually spend LOTS of time researching they won't change their minds.... also I don't really care what you or anyone else thinks. Your denial does not change the fact that something is being sprayed... and on a regular basis. We know many of the chemicals. There is ample evidence. I don't think we know the WHY of it completely and there could be several concurrent reasons. You just aren't ready to be open minded. That's your loss so no big deal to me.

Nancy :)

[ponda]

Here's an image from this link:

http://www.aliendave.com/Chemtrail_photos.html

http://www.aliendave.com/files/Photos/Chem/crossing.jpg

There's some interesting large scale cloud phenomena on this link:

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/radar/utahex.html


http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/radar/utahex.gif

[loveandgratitude]

FRED - It is amazing, all these millilons and millions of people who have stepped up and produced documentation, evidence, proof, documentaries, videos, reports, government secret files, wirtten to the congress, newspapers, councils worldwide and we are all lying. Professional people from all walks in life stepping up.

Trying to scare the public. WHAT A JOKE.

You are one voice against millions of people who step up, named themselves, put their own families in danger and themselvesin danger to save the public, help the public become informed and then there is YOU. I ask you now to produce documents, show facts, give evidence if no PUT UP OR SHUT UP. There is only your word for your evidence. PROVE IT. You have not given ONE PIECE OF RESEARCH, PROOF against all the thousands of credible witness, documents and information we have given you.

I AM DONE HERE. I AM GOING TO START A NEW THREAD WHERE DE-BUNKERS ARE NOT WELCOMED. IF YOU WANT TO START YOUR OWN THREAD BY ALL MEANS DO SO. I AM SO TIRED OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU SPREADING LIES AND DECEIT. YOU WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS ON THE DAY, NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED, PREPROGRAMMED OR JUST A PLAIN OLD DE-BUNKER WORKING FOR THE DARK SIDE. WHAT EVER YOU ARE, PUT UP OR SHUT UP. WE WANT EVIDENCE.

[Fred259]

Loveandgratitude, thanks for the videos.

I was wondering if you had any thoughts or opinions as to why it would seem from reports that chemtrailing only takes place on certain days.

[loveandgratitude]

Here where I live, Chemtrailing takes place when the sky only has a few clouds, when the wind is blowing in certain directions. Right over the town. They do it when there are a lot of visitors in town. They do it on weekends when a lot of people come to town. Luckily I believe in sylphs. YES that is right, try to de-bunk sylphs. The etherical spirits trying to help us clean up the posions. This is my last effort to speak with you. you know what I think and you are starting to distrub my peace which is hard to do. Maybe I am aiming my anger at you because I feel you are working with the dark side. Please re consider supporting humanity.

Here in our town we had a meeting, and 2,500 people showed up in support of getting the chemtrail issue known to the general public. We had speakers from all walks of life who have done their homework. The population of our town is 5,000. Go figure.

[Fred259]

Here where I live, Chemtrailing takes place when the sky only has a few clouds, when the wind is blowing in certain directions. Right over the town. They do it when there are a lot of visitors in town. They do it on weekends when a lot of people come to town. Luckily I believe in sylphs. YES that is right, try to de-bunk sylphs. The etherical spirits trying to help us clean up the posions. This is my last effort to speak with you. you know what I think and you are starting to distrub my peace which is hard to do. Maybe I am aiming my anger at you because I feel you are working with the dark side. Please re consider supporting humanity.

Here in our town we had a meeting, and 2,500 people showed up in support of getting the chemtrail issue known to the general public. We had speakers from all walks of life who have done their homework. The population of our town is 5,000. Go figure.

OK, I understand your point of view. Can I first just say Im not trying to de bunk anything I’m only interested in finding the truth. I have been flying for nearly 27 years and I can tell you that no one else in the aviation industry has these views, that dosnt mean to say they are right but I’m very interested in yours and why you should think this way.

When you say chemtrailing who is doing this Qantas?

When you say the chemtrailing takes place “right over your town” would it be possible to expand on this?

Do aircraft fly over your town every day for example?

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Byron Bay Chemtrails - Australians
Are Doing Something About It!
By Gary Opit <garyopit@mullum.com.au>
Environmental Consultant
8-2-00


Environmental Chemtrails Broadcast on 2NR North Coast Regional ABC Radio, Lismore

Byron Bay Chemtrails Information Center (BBCIC), Australia www.mullum.com.au/bb/chemtrails

Open Letter To Janelle Bankroft Senior Environmental Health Officer

Byron Shire Council
02-6626-7000 Mullumbimby NSW 2482

RE: CHEMTRAIL SPRAYING OVER BYRON SHIRE

Dear Janelle,

Thank you for calling Shlomo Arnon, former President of the Upper Main Arm Landcare Group, on 26 July expressing your concerns about the Chemtrails spraying.

A great many members of our community feel that this Chemtrails spraying could pose the most serious public health disaster in the history of Australia. We have already received reports from people suffering from symptoms commonly associated with the Chemtrail spraying. At least one health professional has informed us that he has had an increase in patients complaining of these symptoms.

Shlomo has alerted and informed the Meadows Medical Center, Mullumbimby, some months ago, to the potential respiratory epidemic associated with Chemtrail spraying and requested a Community Medical Watch for an outbreak of classical Chemtrails health problems. Dr. Mark Abriel of Byron Bay has observed and photographed many of these Chemtrails (as have I) on several occasions, and he is also very familiar with the medical symptoms. He is currently researching natural herbal cures for Chemtrail toxicity and we would advise that you to consult him too.

We note that you have already read the article on Chemtrails by Eve Sinton in 'The Echo' and which is available on the internet at the following address : http://www.rense.com/general2/by.htm. We note that you have assured Shlomo that you will read the URLs at the end of Eve s article. We are confident that you now understand that the Chemtrail Phenomena is occurring in all western countries with disastrous results and the observations and photographs listed in http://www.strangehaze.freeservers.com/ prove that it has been occurring in other countries for some time.

Analysis of Chemtrail fallout overseas have shown up a biochemical-warfare soup of toxins, pathogens, fungi, moulds, and genetically-engineered organisms such as Mycoplasma fermentens incognitus and Pseudomonas flourescens. Some of these organisms have been linked to the 'Gulf War Syndrome.' Most are extremely antibiotic resistant. You may note that Councilor Jan Mangelson s own son, Adam, confirmed to Shlomo that he had identical Chemtrails symptoms to those mentioned in this letter.

The spraying appears to be a planned operation occurring in many different parts of Australia. In order to be better informed, it would be wise to contact Ms. Julie King, 08-9887-0050, in Western Australia, for first hand accounts of the health problems. She and her children, as well as many others in her home town of Pingally, became very sick with symptoms leading to pneumonia shortly after spraying took place 3 days before the Easter holidays finished. The local school s entire complement of students were unable to attend for some period of time because of the epidemic of respiratory complaints and the hospital was filled to capacity by patients all suffering from pneumonia.

Symptoms include continuous mucus discharges in the nose and throat, with patients repeatedly coughing up green material with blood, followed by short-term memory loss, lethargy and fatigue continuing for several months and pneumonia in those patients with a less than extremely healthy immune system. Of interest is that there is generally no increase in normal body temperature during the infection. Local Doctors in W.A. have found that only extremely heavy doses of certain antibiotics provide relief, though fatigue will remain a symptom for extended periods of time. The Doctors have apparently identified the organism as being responsible.

Whilst you advised Shlomo to contact Don Page M.P., and Councilor Jan Mangleson maintained that this is not a council problem and that we should contact Larry Anthony M.P., we would like you to know that American politicians are NOT being informed about these Chemtrail spraying and so we have reason to believe that our own politicians will also have little knowledge of the situation. Besides, Shlomo has already sent information about the Byron Bay Chemtrail spraying as soon as it was posted worldwide on the internet. We have the urgent responsibility to alert the community to the extreme dangers these illegal high altitude spraying operations may have on the health of population and not get involved with politics.

It is also possible to listen to Julie King s interview with the USA-wide Jeff Rense nightly radio broadcast (3 hours). This interview which was heard by many millions Americans and worldwide on the Internet, is available free on the internet, just go to the Jeff Rense Website: www.rense.com , click on Archived Shows , click on 2000, then click on July 24. If you will click on July 23, you can hear Clifford Carnicom, the world s best expert on Chemtrails http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm

Since Jeff Rense is in contact with Shlomo, Shlomo has arranged for me to appear recently on the Jeff Rense Show regarding Australian Fauna. Shlomo has assured me that it will be no problem for him to put you too on the Jeff Rense Show when we begin to implement some of the suggestions below. This will give a worldwide exposure to Byron Shire as the most advanced shire in Australia to many millions of Americans, and Shlomo have also suggested to include Mayor Tom Wilson and Dr. Abriel too.

After listening and talking to Julie and Clifford, you will understand that you are now facing probably the most difficult task of your life, how to inform and protect our community from the plagues that have already occurred in other cities.

As this is the most urgent health disaster in our shire history http://www.rense.com/general2/bay.htm , I suggest the following:

1. For those who don t have computers, setting up a Chemtrail File in your office and publicizing it in the local papers, so that you will have the best input from the public. I have requested Shlomo Arnon who is well informed, to coordinate this project for you and he has agreed to do it at his own cost as a free community service.

2. Requesting our medical personal to give you weekly reports. In the USA, many doctors have to report results of Chemtrail spraying back to authorities.

3. Set up Chemtrail Alert. When Chemtrails are spotted, all schools should not allow the kids to leave their classrooms. The public similarly will be advised to stay indoor and close all windows, as it is done with the smog problem in Los Angeles.

4. Inform all school teachers and principals about this hazard and teach the children to distinguish between Chemtrails and Contrails. I have requested Shlomo Arnon who is also the P&C Vice president of our Mullumbimby Primary School to give free public lectures at all our schools at his own cost, and he has agreed.

5. Research websites and Internet Discussion Groups on Chemtrails worldwide, and publish a Weekly Council Health Advisory on Chemtrails.

6. Contact immediately all our politicians and organized a meeting with our community.

7. Inform immediately all neighboring councils to report back to us, as most spraying is done now north west of us and sometimes at night too.

8. Organized an immediate urgent community meetings as former Councilor Ian Hoskins have suggested. Shlomo has promised Ian to give free lectures.

9. Councilor Jan Mangelson has background in health issues and her son Adam is now sick with symptoms similar to classical Chemtrail symptoms, her husband Jim is the owner of Chincogan Real Estate in Mullumbimby. Jim saw the Chemtrails several times and photographed them too, he offers his photos free by email to anyone.

10. Alert all Landcare groups and other community groups to watch the sky as Shlomo, former President of the Upper Main Arm Landcare Group suggested.

11. Council personal are already well aware of the Chemtrails. Shlomo has met Wayne Thompson and his crew of Council employees in Mullumbimby, next to the video shop, while working on the road, and pointed to them the Chemtrails in the sky. Wayne was amazed, and told Shlomo that he will keep watching the sky.

12. We and Eve at The Echo, can provide you with a long list of people in our community who will give you descriptions of the Chemtrails.

13. Alex Benham, Principal, Mullumbimby Primary School, has already seen the Chemtrail himself. Alex & Shlomo have already studied together the phenomena on the Internet.

14. We already have a network of Chemtrails Watchers who are in constant alert with cameras at their cars, ready all the time.


We are very pleased that The Echo newspaper has proved its responsibility to our community by publishing Eve s article. We are very concerned that the Byron News and Bay FM radio who initially, as The Echo, showed enthusiasm to print/broadcast the Chemtrail information, reversed their minds after one day and refused to release any information to the public.

Now that you read Eve s article, our community will hold you personally responsible should we have the same diseases that Julie is reporting in her community. We wish you success and we assure you that our community will support you.

Yours faithfully,

Gary Opit Environmental Consultant


Environmental Chemtrails Broadcast on 2NR North Coast Regional ABC Radio, Lismore Byron Bay Chemtrails Information Center (BBCIC) <garyopit@mullum.com.au


BBCIC would like to thanks 'MAP Internet Services' (02-6684-3899) in Mullumbimby for their support and setting up a special Chemtrails Community Discussion Board for Byron Shire. We invite Jeff Rense listeners/friends around the world to read and participate: www.mullum.com.au/bb/chemtrails





BBCIC URGENT ALERT TO ALL BYRON SHIRE RESIDENTS

Over the last few weeks we have received reports of practically daily Chemtrail spraying over Byron Shire. In the last few days, the usual 'lines in the sky' are not always visible, instead, the spraying seem to be done over the hills to the west in the early morning or night, and it is slowly drifting to Mullumbimby and Byron Bay during the day. This is turning our normally blue sky in the morning to an unnatural 'flat carpet' of clouds and haze, which does not raise any suspicions to the untrained eye, and we never have rain. Jim Mangelson of Chincogan Real Estate and others, have alerted us yesterday, when they noticed a spectacular straight line in the middle of the 'carpet'. You can see similar 'carpet' photos at this website from location south of Perth, Western Australia: http://julieking.htmlplanet.com/photo3.html Also, council employees has alerted us that while we have ONLY one flight path, South-North, from Sydney to Brisbane, which we are all familiar with, many Chemtrails are East West !!!


BBCIC NEWS: A professional photographer in Byron Bay took two rolls of films last Thursday of a very heavy Chemtrails activity over Byron Bay. When he developed the films he found many 'floating objects' between the Chemtrails. Shlomo, who was formerly with the Israeli Air Force and was teaching UFO's at UCLA, California, inspected the slides and determined that the 'floating objects' are classical UFO's. As the Australian public is not very familiar with the subject of UFO's, Shlomo has decided not to discuss the UFO's locally in order not to confuse the Chemtrail issue at the moment. Shlomo is now negotiating to post these spectacular UFO-Chemtrail photos on the Jeff Rense website soon.

BBCIC is pleased to inform Byron Shire residents that our brave and uncompromising investigative journalist Eve Sinton, the Environmental Editor of our Echo http://www.echo.net.au/ read this open letter to Janelle Bankroft and considered it to be news and therefore she told Shlomo that it will appear in the next issue of 'The Echo' on 8th of July. BRAVO EVE.

BBCIC would like to thank Jim Mangelson owner of Chincogan Real Estate (02-6684-3300) in Mullumbimby, for supporting, encouraging and financing BBCIC, and alerting our Byron Bay Shire community to the potential problems with Chemtrails. Jim, the husband of our Councilor Jan Mangelson took this photo in Mullumbimby, Northern New South Wales, Australia, 25th July 2000

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HOW TO MAKE A REPORT OF UNUSUAL ACTIVITY IN THE SKY

The following information is an attempt to provide a model for individual investigation, suitable for use by any interested and open-minded citizen.

All people of sound mind, sufficiently motivated to do so, have the innate capacity to answer the fundamental questions about chemtrails for themselves. There is no need to take someone else s word for any of this. In fact, in a world of second-hand and derivative information, the best action we can take is to use our own mental powers and direct perceptions in pursuit of the basic truth. Because there is no great difficulty in satisfying a reasonably rigorous mind as to the presence of something very strange in our skies.

There is a relatively simple method to prove the existence of chemtrails overhead in your own area, as opposed to normal contrails. This do-it-yourself proof only takes time, patience, and normal powers of observation. The following outline will attempt to describe an optimum generic situation in order to make this experiment available to as many people as possible.

The first step requires establishing a minimum familiarity with routine airplane traffic in your location. This is a matter of public record, but it is much easier to see for yourself just by watching and recording the times and directions of scheduled air traffic. At regular times the flights to and from various locations from Companies A, B and C fly along their normal flight paths above you. These times and flight paths do not vary much in normal circumstances and are easily observed day after day, week after week, at approximately the same time, position, and altitude. Especially away from major urban centers, there is a fairly easily observable pattern to normal fight traffic in one s area, even considering the variations and changes now and again. If you live where contrails are a normal occurrence in the atmosphere, then also look carefully over a period of time at how long they tend to last under differing weather conditions, at different times. Keeping notes of personal observations from the beginning will be very useful in establishing the ordinary daily picture overhead in your own area.

Normal air traffic is of course obliged by law to follow normal flight regulations. This means that each plane must keep a considerable distance from all others, in its own generously allotted airspace. Even without consciously thinking about this, we all have unconsciously registered the usual distances planes keep from others in our local skies. If you don t live near a large airport, then this will be especially obvious. The first easy step towards proving to yourself and others that chemtrails actually exist will present itself when three or four or more planes fly back and forth close together across the sky.

No normal air traffic ever does any such thing as fly in close formation, turn, and fly back together over the same airspace. Even if you are not able to watch them turn together, you will be able to see the unusual closeness of these formations of aircraft without any trouble. A good pair of binoculars will reveal that the common type of white chemtrail planes have no company logos or any other identifying markings. Their close proximity to one another violates all commercial FAA regulations as well. These are important facts and proof positive that this isn't regular commercial traffic. You now know you are at the very least looking at military flights. An additional proof that these are military planes (although none is needed) is that the flight formation, in the time and space you are noting, will not appear in normal FAA flight records. The FAA does not record military traffic, and will be happy to tell you so.

The next step is to watch for the eye-catching phenomena of the unusual patterns and unusual qualities of trails accompanying such a formation. If you look up in the sky and see several grids and X s forming from this close group of unmarked planes, where normally such patterns do not exist, then here is the chance to build your own proof that chemtrails do exist. If you have been watching the regular flights overhead, then you know that these formations are anomalous. These are not Companies A, B, and C flying their usual routes in their usual ways. And now is the chance to prove to your own satisfaction that these military planes are also discharging something other than jet fuel. Over time, as you have been noting the regularity of commercial air traffic in your local airspace, you will also have been observing the behavior of emissions from normal commercial air traffic. The contrails from these will usually appear to be normal contrails, dissipating in the normal time and manner for the circumstances. By now you will have also established what kind of linear patterns in the atmosphere normal contrails leave, as dictated by the air space commercial traffic must maintain between planes at all times.

Under the very same weather and altitude conditions in which you have been seeing normal commercial traffic emissions produce whatever kind of contrail is normal for your locality, you will most likely now see something else entirely. It is almost always possible to directly observe that these unmarked planes flying in close formation are leaving a very different kind of trail. First of all, as stated, the trails being left are usually in odd checkerboard, grid, X s, stripes, or even circles. This is very distinctly abnormal compared to what you will see resulting from normal airline traffic. Secondly, only these military planes are leaving trails that do not dissipate, as the others do under the very same weather and altitude conditions. Instead, they very slowly spread out over the sky and join together, forming a distinct cloudy haze. This again is easily provable by simple observation. All you have to do is watch this happen over a period of a few hours at the most, and often within a much shorter time span. The standard explanation of ice crystals and contrail formations self-destructs here right before your eyes. Because under the conditions in which we have observed chemtrails, all the other air traffic in the vicinity at the time, at approximately the same altitudes, are leaving normal contrails. These normal contrails are definitely not spreading out and coalescing into a thick hazy "cloud" cover.

Therefore by means of simple patient direct perception of these two distinct types of trails occurring nearly simultaneously, you can see for yourself that a highly sophisticated disinformation campaign is being waged around this issue. There has been a military operation dispersing aerosols of unknown origins, for unknown reasons, throughout our atmosphere for the last couple of years. Whatever these aerosols are, and whatever their purpose is, they are at the very least in direct violation of the law of informed consent and the EPA s own laws of atmospheric discharges.

Much confusion arises due to not taking the time to observe carefully the slow unfolding of the phenomena of chemtrails overhead, as compared to normal contrail formations in the immediate vicinity. We need to take the time first and foremost to establish the image in our minds of what normal contrails actually look like it our own locations. It is not possible to go out and look at the sky every once in a while and try to guess from scratch what we are looking at, with no familiarity with local conditions, weather and routine flight paths. Once we consciously recognize the standard for normal , then we will instantly recognize these anomalies and be able to closely follow how chemtrails unfold in our skies. Extensive research indicates clearly that the military has many reasons for drastically altering the chemistry of our atmosphere at this time. It is to be hoped therefore that rather than dismiss this issue, or leave it to others to investigate the truth of all this, that citizens of our country assume the responsibility for judging for themselves what is happening behind our backs and above our heads.

For the largest collection of detailed and general information on all important aspects of this phenomena, the following website is recommended: http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm

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CHEMTRAILS OVER BYRON BAY - LETTER TO THE EDITOR OF ECHO NEWSPAPER

Observation
On the 22 of November, 2009 I was sitting on the second level balcony atthe Lennox Head Hotel on the eastcoast of Northern NSW, Australia
overlooking the Pacic Ocean at approximately 11:00 am when Ilooked south toward the headland and saw a strange aeroplane flying
quite low, straight out to sea. It was a large and unusual plane, not like any I had seen before in Australia,certainly not the same style jet as theinternational and domestic jets wesee here. This one looked obviously different, probably the only reason Ihad noticed it.The observed plane had a long bodyfrom tip to wing and a short wingspan, white with a blue tail. As the plane flew out to sea it made an
ascending hook turn back towards the land, climbing high as it continued its path. I noticed the plane head north up the coast towards Byron Bay, I also noticed chemtrails in the sky above,and they had been spraying the area all morning. It was a busy weekendin Byron Bay at that time of the year,people were everywhere .As I sat watching this plane I did no tmake the connection between it and the chemtrails that had been occurring all morning. Approximately 10 to 15minutes later my eyes caught sight of another plane, same style, same trajectory, and same flight path.

Chemtrails Closing the loop
We have dangerous levels of aluminium in the rain and soil that should no tbe there. Where does the aluminium come from? Where do these planes takeoff? Who is behind it all? This report is the result of my own observations and research into the global chemtrail phenomenon and is a theory inspired by independent researchers and flm makers who have dedicated their time and energy into exposing this horrible crime against the Earth and humanity. I hopethis report can add an important piece to the puzzle

[loveandgratitude]

FRED - Nowhere did I say that commercial planes are spraying chemtrails. Obviously these planes are coming from -

a) military bases
b) underground bases and are possibly refueling in the air.

The type of dives some of planes are doing, the circles, criss cross patterns, it is obviously some sort of plane that is capable of such feats. A commercial airliner cannot behave in this manner with passengers on board. Unlikely. This is some sort of nefarious miliary campaign. Many of the planes are unmarked, like we see black helicopters, unmarked. Who are they?

CHEMTRAIL CONSPIRACY APPARATUS since 1975
The Chemtrail/Contrail process is registered and Patented.
The USA Navy under the UN and NATO treaty conned our Government for 35 years with a pack of lies to let them covertly poison our air we breathe and the water we drink.

We have been lied to, and we are being poisoned.

WITH CHEMTRAILS CRISS-CROSSING THE SKY DUMPING LINES OF HEAVY METALS NOW PROVEN TO BE IN OUR DRINKING WATER - THERE'S STILL PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THE NWO JARGON THAT ITS A CONSPIRACY: "MAYBE THIS WILL HELP THEM TO UNDERSTAND.

[Fred259]

QUOTE=loveandgratitude;193638]FRED - It is amazing, all these millilons and millions of people who have stepped up and produced documentation, evidence, proof, documentaries, videos, reports, government secret files, wirtten to the congress, newspapers, councils worldwide and we are all lying. Professional people from all walks in life stepping up

You haven’t produced any evidence at all. What you have produced can very easily be explained but you won’t accept it. You seem to think that every aircraft that passes overhead is chemtrailing.So I have asked you repeatedly where is the evidence, which airlines, what is the delivery system? Where are these chemicals stored?



You are one voice against millions of people who step up, named themselves, put their own families in danger and themselvesin danger to save the public, help the public become informed and then there is YOU

You say I am a voice against millions, I think you will find that the majority of the public would find your views interesting.



I ask you now to produce documents, show facts, give evidence if no PUT UP OR SHUT UP. There is only your word for your evidence.

I have posted to you all day how contrails are formed but you refuse to accept what is fact.

It’s not what I think; I’m only quoting from established science. At the end of the day this research on all this was done by scientist’s meteorologists and engineers probably around fifty years ago. It’s served mankind all these years but you for reasons only known to yourself, doesn’t accept these findings. How strange.

We dealt with this in post #89 I’ve copied it here again for your consideration.

Atmosphere & Relative Humidity.

A colder atmosphere and a higher relative humidity will cause contrails to form.

A warmer atmosphere and lower relative humidity will cause contrails to dissipate or not form at all.

Therefore in general above 25,000 feet where the temperature is -35C or less provided relative humidity is high contrails will form.

The lower atmosphere or stratosphere is changing all the time and is influenced mainly by the weather systems, polar fronts, and upper winds. This change explains why some days you think they are chemtrailing and other days they aren't chemtrailing.


Wickileaks here more or less say the same thing but in a more detailed format.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...ard_Atmosphere

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_humidity

PR
OVE IT. You have not given ONE PIECE OF RESEARCH, PROOF against all the thousands of credible witness, documents and information we have given you.

You say you have provided thousands of documents and videos but with respect much of this is nonsense. You refuse to accept this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOJ4z8yqa54&feature=player_embedded

I have previously pointed out that everything about this video is 100% true however the voiceover is 100% false. This aircraft is a Gulfstream 1 atmospheric research aircraft. However it would seem that you seem to think this is used for Chemtrailing probably because either you don’t know, or because it has various tubes protruding from the fuselage. These tubes are for measuring static and dynamic pressure under Bernoulli’s theorem. That is what they are. However you say no they are used to blow chemicals into the atmosphere. Im sorry but on this occasion you are wrong. This is an atmospheric research aircraft. I pointed this out yesterday, you choose to ignore it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli's_principle




I AM DONE HERE. I AM GOING TO START A NEW THREAD WHERE DE-BUNKERS ARE NOT WELCOMED. IF YOU WANT TO START YOUR OWN THREAD BY ALL MEANS DO SO. I AM SO TIRED OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU SPREADING LIES AND DECEIT. YOU WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS ON THE DAY, NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED, PREPROGRAMMED OR JUST A PLAIN OLD DE-BUNKER WORKING FOR THE DARK SIDE. WHAT EVER YOU ARE, PUT UP OR SHUT UP. WE WANT EVIDENCE


Why am I a de-bunker? I am not spreading lies and deceit, I am telling the truth, the problem is you dont know the truth.

So now I’m brainwashed, preprogrammed an old debunker and working for the dark side according to you. No Im telling the truth.

Earlier today I received a PM from a friend about Earthquakes and he wanted my views. I don’t know anything about Earthquakes or Geology, so I don’t post on earthquakes. However what I have done is spent a lifetime in the aviation industry and so I’m only pointing out the error of your ways.

Now, I have a question for you. Allegedly according to you commercial aircraft are chemtrailing. Please provide the evidence that supports this.

Would it be possible to answer post #117

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Aircraft Mechanic Discusses Chemtrail Spray Equipment
Aboard Commercial Aircraft

I believe it is the military but then I found this post I though you might find interesting -

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/chemspewermechanics17apr05.shtml

Excerpted from http://www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails_2.htm

I received the following email on the 18th of April as it was forwarded to me from someone who may have answered several questions I have had about the incorporation of the civilian air fleet into a portion of this atmospheric project.

My questions have been: The weight and volume of the chemical mixture delivered while in flight including the delivery mechanism? How much of a financial burden is it to carry this extra weight aloft with each flight? How is the plumbing kept 'hidden' from the many mechanics. Who does and how are the tanks refilled? Read on:

Did An Airline Mechanic Stumble Upon The Truth?

SIPL | April 17 2005

For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my identity.

I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some information that I think you will find important. First, I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you have dedicated yourself.

Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines, or the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are considered at the top of the "pecking order".

Next come the mechanics that work on the hydraulics and air conditioning systems. Then come the ones who work on the galley and other non-essential systems. But at the very bottom of the list are the mechanics that work on the waste disposal systems.

No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are used to store the waste from the lavatories. But at every airport where I have worked there are always 2 or 3 mechanics that volunteer to work on the lavatory systems.

The other mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you will have only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any one airport. No one pays much attention to these guys and no mechanic socializes with another mechanic who only works on the waste systems.

Fact is, I had never even thought much about this situation until last month. Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with the other airlines that fly into this airport. If they have a problem with a plane one of our mechanics will take care of it.

Likewise, if one of our planes has a problem at an airport where the other airline has a maintenance base, they will fix our plane.

One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane for another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know what the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the problem was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do but to crawl in and fix the problem.

When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right. There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there. At first I assumed that the waste disposal system had been changed. It had been about 10 years since I had worked on this particular model of aircraft.

As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system, at all. I had just discovered this when another mechanic from my company showed up. It was one of the mechanics who usually works on this particular type of plane, and I happily turned the job over to him.

As I was leaving I asked him about the extra equipment. He told me to "worry about my end of the plane and let him worry about his end!"

The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment I had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before. I even tied in to the manufacturer files and still found nothing. Now I was really determined to find out what that equipment did.

The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the mechanics around I figured that no one would notice an extra one on the plane.

Sure enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment! I began to trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking avionics control box but it had no markings of any kind.

I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft's main power bus.

The system had 1 large tank and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment, but it looked like the large tank could hold about 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for the waste system.

When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I found it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to access the waste drain.

I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizers.

If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see a set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that builds up on a plane in flight.

I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1 out of 3 of these static discharge wicks. These wicks had been "hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be discharged through the fake wicks.

It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted me. He ordered me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over and I had not been authorized any overtime.

The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to continue my investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery, I was called to replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to take off in two hours. I finished the job and turned in the paperwork.

About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When I went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I did not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had been discovered. He said that I was being written up and suspended for turning in false paperwork.

He handed me a disciplinary form stating that I had turned in false paperwork on the engine temperature sensor I had installed a few hours before. I was floored and began to protest. I told them that this was ridiculous and that I had done this work.

The union rep spoke up at this point and recommended that we take a look at the plane to see if we could straighten it all out. I then asked who the other two men were. The GM told me that they were airline safety inspectors but would not give me their names.

We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but was parked on our maintenance ramp. We opened the engine cowling and the union rep pulled the sensor. He checked the serial number and told everyone that it was the old instrument. We then went to the parts bay and went back into the racks.

The union rep checked my report and pulled from the rack a sealed box. He opened the box and pulled out the engine temperature sensor with the serial number of the one I had installed. I was told that I was suspended for a week without pay and to leave immediately.

I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the hell had happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in things they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that are no concern of yours you will lose your job! As it is, I'm feeling generous, I believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon." CLICK.

Again, I had to pick myself from off the floor. As my mind raced, it was at this moment that I made the connection that what had happened to me must have been directly connected to my tracing the "mysterious" piping.

The next morning the General Manager called me. He said that due to my past excellent employment record that the suspension had been reduced to one day and that I should report back to work immediately. The only thing I could think of was "what are they trying to hide" and "who are 'THEY'"!

That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the other mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me not to talk about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try to find some answers.

I don't remember now how I got there but I came across a site that talked about chemically-laced contrails.

That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I found a note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the cat. Don't be looking at Internet sites that are no concern of yours."

Well that's it. Now I know 'THEY' are watching me.

While I don't know what THEY are spraying, I can tell you how they are doing it. I figure they are using the "honey trucks". These are the trucks that empty the waste from the lavatory waste tanks.

The airports usually contract out this job and nobody goes near these trucks. Who wants to stand next a truck full of sh--. While these guys are emptying the waste tanks, it makes sense that they could easily be filling the tanks of the spray system.

They know the planes flight path so they probably program the control unit to start spraying some amount of time after the plane reaches a certain altitude. The spray nozzles in the fake static wicks are so small that no one in the plane would see a thing.

God help us all.

-- A concerned citizen

[loveandgratitude]

Chemtrail Pod Is Simple Aerial Refueling Drogue

About The 'Chemtrail' Plane

Response
By Ted Twietmeyer
5-13-8

I'd like to point out a few facts regarding the chemtrail plane photos.

Contrary to what some apparently think this article was not intended to be disinformation. That would be a pointless waste of time. It has always been my policy to research subjects I write about before writing about them. Many subjects have little information available, but this does not mean that nothing should be said. Although there are thousands of photos of trails in the sky, there is a large absence of photos of the actual aircraft. It is quite possible that some of the aircraft doing the spraying may look like any other aircraft when on the ground.

The person who sent me the images is a pilot and does not want his name divulged as I've stated before. Since access to all airports and tarmacs since 2001 is now highly restricted, no one can simply walk up to a plane and take photos. The pilot had to have clearance to be on the tarmac at ground level to take these photos. There was no fence between him and the plane.

The fact that the plane has a Bretagne tail emblem from France and was photographed in Quebec, Canada is strange in itself. Why would a tiny principality inFrance go to the trouble of flying a tanker plane to North America? Fuel to operate one of these planes is extremely expensive. And the Canadian government has its own tankers.

I should have spoken to a retired USAF friend of mine about first before writing about it. I was finally able to reach him late today (5/13/08) and he did iterate that there are retractable drogue fuel lines that extend from the pods for refueling fighter planes. The rigid boom is for refueling bigger aircraft, such as the B-52.

It is still unknown why a propeller would be mounted on the front of the pod to generate electricity or power a hydraulic pump. The pod is controlled by switches in the cockpit of the plane, and there should be no problem using aircraft power unless the propeller is a back-up power source. However, all large aircraft already have backup power within them. Large aircraft power has been 400Hz AC since WW2. The higher frequency of 400Hz requires less iron in motors and transformers and saves weight, instead of the AC power line 50 or 60Hz. Boeing's commercial aircraft have used 400Hz power as well. Inside some planes sitting on the Tarmac at an airport, you can hear a 400Hz. tone in the cabin.

Finally, there is the funnel-shaped cone ("B" in Fig. 4) which terminates with a rear-ward protruding tube visible in the center of the engine exhaust. [1] Patent #5,791,138 discusses prior art which uses core engine air mixed with exhaust air for the purpose of noise reduction. More information on this can be viewed at [2]. However, this tube could also be used to inject biological or chemtrail agents into the exhaust stream. Since contrails form at some distance behind an aircraft, pilots may not even be aware that an aerosol is being sprayed. (This could well be the smoking gun, except it's a gun that no one has seen in action.)

To conclude, there are a number of unanswered questions with this aircraft. I apologize for any misunderstanding the photographs may have caused. Perhaps one day we'll have ALL the answers, but I won't count on it.

Ted Twietmeyer
www.data4science.net
[1] - http://www.rense.com/general81/ddthr.htm
[2] - http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5791138-description.html


Comments - Chemtrail spray plane
Howard Ratcliffe
5-12-8

The picture is a refueling pod. Propeller powers the fuel pump for the drogue style receptacle. Many A/C still use this type "Drogue and Probe" method. Careful with this guy!


Anton Fouche
5-12-8

Hello

You may find the photo you have is of an Air to air refueling rig. The thing in the tail of the pod is a collapsible basket which is spun out for a refueling probe to be flown into. The propeller is indeed a pump.

Keep up the good work
Anton


Jeff,

Your "chemtrail' dispensing picture is nothing more than an air-to-air refueling pod assemble, as used by the air forces of europe and the U.S. Navy and Marine aircraft.

Glenn

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Here is the original story by Ted Twietmeyer...


Recently, a pilot sent www.data4science.net several images of a plane which is clearly rigged for aerial chemtrail or biological spraying taxiing on the ground at an airport in Canada. After studying and researching the plane images and origin, I feel they are authentic. Why do I suggest the plane might be used for biological spraying? Previously released photos of acknowledged experimental spray planes built for NASA had massive concentric rings mounted on the rear tail of the plane.

I will uphold the pilot's desire for privacy and withhold the name. Based on information provided, here is the exact location of the chemtrail plane at the time
the photographs were taken -


LOCATION OF PLANE



Fig. 1 ­ Location of airport in Quebec, Canada (Google maps)



Fig. 2 ­ Airport location close-up (Google maps)




Fig. 3 ­ Chemtrail plane taxiing





Fig. 4 ­ Enlarged image of spraying pod mounted under port-side wing. Pod is painted to somewhat match the engine color on the plane. However, note pod mounting strut doesn't match the underside wing color. Note the number "2" on the pod. The starboard side wing is most likely pod #1. I have added the letters to identify key parts of the image which are referenced below.


Legend:

A - Propeller on the front of the pod drives an internal generator or pump. Based on the shadows under the plane, we can determine this image was made sometime around mid-day.

B - Funnel-cone with an exit port mounted on center of engine exhaust for additional spraying capability. Exhaust that exits here may not necessarily be superheated air, as most of today's engines are high-bypass designs for maximum thrust and efficiency. The engine could have been designed to have a fresh-air channel running straight down the center. This would be important when spraying biological agents in order not to destroy them.

C - Semi-circle black lines along the bottom are probably air intake screens. Being on the underside of the pod, they would be exposed to the high pressure flow of air under the wing.

D ­ Afterbirth: Curve of pod mounting strut almost matches that of the plane's wing, but is not quite perfect. No aircraft manufacturer would ever release a plane with the large gap in the mount that we see here. This pod was clearly manufactured by a third party.





Fig. 5 ­ Spray pod exit port, brightness enhanced since it was in the shadow of the sun. The brush-like object would provide the maximum surface area to create an aerosol. Note the dark baffle which will restrict airflow completely through the aerosol device.





Fig. 6 ­ Emblem for French Air Squadron [1]




Fig. 7 ­ Tail emblem


A logo was found on the tail of the plane. The closest image of a flag to this logo is a tiny, obscure government called Bretagne. All images found on the web for this flag are in black and white:





Fig. 8 ­ Flag of Bretagne. Objects in the upper left corner of this flag are also found in the plane's tail emblem





Fig. 9 ­ Location of Bretagne in France



CONCLUSION
From my research I feel this is an authentic photo. It also raises some interesting questions ­ what is a plane from a French air squadron doing in North America?
Has it been spraying over the Atlanticor over North America? Could it be that those behind the global aerial spraying are using small countries or governments for their work? If so, this provides an important place to look for the origin of these planes.

It also clearly explains how a two engine plane can create four chemtrails. As far as I know, clear photos like these are a first in this area. No one can any longer call this a "conspiracy theory."

Ted Twietmeyer
www.data4science.net


[1] - http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/france/cazaux.htm

PHOTOS CAN BE OBTAINED FROM LINK:
http://www.rense.com/general81/ddthr.htm

[loveandgratitude]

TWO PLANES ALMOST CRASH WHILE SPRAYING CHEMTRAILS


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu3bupWwOUk

[loveandgratitude]

CONTRAILS MY ASS!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYl9d-p91KA&feature=related

[Fred259]

QUOTE=loveandgratitude;193676]FRED - Nowhere did I say that commercial planes are spraying chemtrails. Obviously these planes are coming from

Oh… what about all the evidence you were sending me.

Anyway Im glad you now agree that commercial aircraft are NOT spraying chemicals.

So can we agree then that these are contrails in the upper atmosphere?





a) military bases
b) underground bases and are possibly refueling in the air


Yes aircraft may come from military bases, but underground bases no I don’t think so, not in Australia. Why would they need to refuel in the air? You make it sound like an everyday thing that happens?


The type of dives some of planes are doing, the circles, criss cross patterns, it is obviously some sort of plane that is capable of such feats. A commercial airliner cannot behave in this manner with passengers on board. Unlikely. This is some sort of nefarious miliary campaign. Many of the planes are unmarked, like we see black helicopters, unmarked. Who are they?


I think these may be crop spraying aircraft perhaps? You say your town has a population of 5,000, why would they want to chemtrail you? Are you sure they are not spraying the fields and you just think they are spraying you. Maybe they are turning over your town?



CHEMTRAIL CONSPIRACY APPARATUS since 1975
The Chemtrail/Contrail process is registered and Patented.
The USA Navy under the UN and NATO treaty conned our Government for 35 years with a pack of lies to let them covertly poison our air we breathe and the water we drink


I think this is a very wild statement.


We have been lied to, and we are being poisoned.

WITH CHEMTRAILS CRISS-CROSSING THE SKY DUMPING LINES OF HEAVY METALS NOW PROVEN TO BE IN OUR DRINKING WATER - THERE'S STILL PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THE NWO JARGON THAT ITS A CONSPIRACY: "MAYBE THIS WILL HELP THEM TO UNDERSTAND


What about locating to another town?

[loveandgratitude]

Planes you've never seen before

FRED, this is some light comic relief for all of us. I hope you enjoy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjTu0jhqqPE&feature=related

[Fred259]

TWO PLANES ALMOST CRASH WHILE SPRAYING CHEMTRAILS


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu3bupWwOUk

I thought you just agreed that they were not spraying chemicals.

QUOTE=loveandgratitude;193676]FRED - Nowhere did I say that commercial planes are spraying chemtrails.

I think you should have the weekend off.

Don’t worry they are not going to crash, separation will be at least 2,000 feet.

[loveandgratitude]

Are these commercial planes????? I said commercial. Fred I wonder if you understand what this Forum is about. Have you seen some of the Project Avalon/Camelot videos. I am curious, what do you thiink about space portals, travelling to Mars, time travel???? I know this is off topic but I just wanted to take this opportunity to ask you this. Do you believe in UFO's, alien beings, time travel, space portals?????? Do you believe in spiritual evollution, inter planetry beings???

[mondaze]

fred you have been provided with reams of evidence, with eye witness reports, yet you still maintain you are right. ok for you, you are right. go watch x factor there is nothing to see here. loveandgratitude thank you for all your efforts. I know what i see every day and its not contrails.

[Billy]

USA official Congress Document

Bill Text
107th Congress (2001-2002)
H.R.2977.IH

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.2977.IH:

SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.

(2)(A) The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following:

(i) Damaging or destroying an object (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by--

(I) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object;

(II) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object;

(III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or

(IV) any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means.

(ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--

(I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or subparagraph (B);

(II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or

(III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.

(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

[Billy]

Official UK House of Commons document

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/221/22106.htm#a14



The Loop hole.

Dr Blackstock pointed out that for SRM "we do not have the appropriate regulatory mechanisms in place, and I do not believe we have even a forum in which that discussion has begun to occur".[82]

40. The Government appeared to share this view. It told us that geoengineering was an emerging policy area and there "were at present no international treaties or institutions with sufficient mandate to regulate the broad range of possible geoengineering activities" and that, while regulation of some of the technologies might be feasible by employing or amending existing treaties and protocols of international law, others—such as atmosphere and space-based methods—"may require new international mechanisms".[83] We conclude that there is a gap in the regulatory framework for geoengineering techniques, especially for SRM techniques.

[heyokah]

I just now noticed the links I gave in comment 19 didn't work anymore.
I will re-post these links 'observer' provided in the former thread :
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12858-Drunk-Pilot-talks-about-Chemtrails-Loose-Lips-Sink-Ships-and-747s-Too



this interview explains HOW the military gets patriotic airmen to participate in this program:

***
FULL INTERVIEW -

Insider reveals shocking details behind aerosol spraying program.

Ex-Government Employee Talking about CHEMTRAILS -

Part 1 : http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/25641/Ex_Government_Employee_talks_about_CHEMTRAILS_1_5
Part 2 : http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/25642/Ex_Government_Employee_talks_about_CHEMTRAILS_2_5/
Part 3 : http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/25643/Ex_Government_Employee_talks_about_CHEMTRAILS_3_5/
Part 4 : http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/25644/Ex_Government_Employee_talks_about_CHEMTRAILS_4_5/
Part 5 : http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/25645/Ex_Government_Employee_talks_about_CHEMTRAILS_5_5/

If you are the impatient type and want to get right to the issue, click-on Part 3, however, I would highly recommended listening to the entire interview.

***

[heyokah]

Military Said Behind Up To Four Different Chemtrail Programs
By Mike Blair

The first project is an effort to block the rays of the sun from hitting the Earth, including ultra-violet radiation that will come through without an adequate layer of ozone in the upper regions above the Earth. In the event of global warming, this, it is hoped, could lower temperatures on the surface of the Earth and block ultra-violet radiation from causing skin cancer in humans. The aerosol being sprayed in this case is probably aluminum oxide or a compound that would have similar properties, and is the only one of the government programs that does not use the barium mixtures.
(read more.... http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

The second and most secret project is the Navy's Radio Frequency Mission Planner (RFMP) program, which is a system encompassing a group of computer programs. One of its supporting subprograms is know as Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation or VTRPE. This is a computer radio frequency propagation program that deals with radio waves and enables the RFMP system to visually see the terrain of a battlefield in three dimensions on a television-type screen.
(read more..... http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

The third project also utilizes the mixture of barium salts in the atmosphere and involves weather control. It is a project of the AIR Force and utilizes concepts of radio frequency radiation, developed originally by legendary scientist Nikola Tesla, against the ionosphere above the Earth. Known as the so-called HAARP project, it is manipulating life-support systems in the environment, testing and altering them for military advantage.
(read more....http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

The fourth atmospheric project is being run by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) as a means to detect and decontaminate enemy biological attacks. The program also utilizes a mixture of barium salts as the base vehicle in aerosol, along with special polymer fibers. The combination allows detection of biological agents. Some biological agents have actually been released into the atmosphere in trials, testing the detection and decontamination systems. It is believed that barium salt, polymer fibers and other chemicals in the atmosphere are the physical irritants that may be directly or indirectly responsible for unexplained nose bleeds, asthma, allergies, pneumonia, upper respiratory ailments and arthritis-like systems.
(read more.....http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

[K626]

Military Said Behind Up To Four Different Chemtrail Programs
By Mike Blair

The first project is an effort to block the rays of the sun from hitting the Earth, including ultra-violet radiation that will come through without an adequate layer of ozone in the upper regions above the Earth. In the event of global warming, this, it is hoped, could lower temperatures on the surface of the Earth and block ultra-violet radiation from causing skin cancer in humans. The aerosol being sprayed in this case is probably aluminum oxide or a compound that would have similar properties, and is the only one of the government programs that does not use the barium mixtures.
(read more.... http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

The second and most secret project is the Navy's Radio Frequency Mission Planner (RFMP) program, which is a system encompassing a group of computer programs. One of its supporting subprograms is know as Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation or VTRPE. This is a computer radio frequency propagation program that deals with radio waves and enables the RFMP system to visually see the terrain of a battlefield in three dimensions on a television-type screen.
(read more..... http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

The third project also utilizes the mixture of barium salts in the atmosphere and involves weather control. It is a project of the AIR Force and utilizes concepts of radio frequency radiation, developed originally by legendary scientist Nikola Tesla, against the ionosphere above the Earth. Known as the so-called HAARP project, it is manipulating life-support systems in the environment, testing and altering them for military advantage.
(read more....http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

The fourth atmospheric project is being run by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) as a means to detect and decontaminate enemy biological attacks. The program also utilizes a mixture of barium salts as the base vehicle in aerosol, along with special polymer fibers. The combination allows detection of biological agents. Some biological agents have actually been released into the atmosphere in trials, testing the detection and decontamination systems. It is believed that barium salt, polymer fibers and other chemicals in the atmosphere are the physical irritants that may be directly or indirectly responsible for unexplained nose bleeds, asthma, allergies, pneumonia, upper respiratory ailments and arthritis-like systems.
(read more.....http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

I'd like to add that IF a kind of light based signal was detected that MAY synchronise or harmonise/speak to our dna, it might be possible to block such a signal with atmospheric blocking/reflecting protocols.

love

K

[Snowbird]

OK, I understand your point of view. Can I first just say Im not trying to de bunk anything I’m only interested in finding the truth. I have been flying for nearly 27 years and I can tell you that no one else in the aviation industry has these views, that dosnt mean to say they are right but I’m very interested in yours and why you should think this way.

Fred259, are you sure that you are only interested in the truth or your truth?

It is quite obvious that other people and pilots in your industry share the views of the majority on this thread. There are whistle blowers and former high-ranking officials who have become very involved in this issue and have put their lives, their reputations and their safety on the line.

[Snowbird]

Part one of a three part article on the war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide now taking place on our earth.

Alfred Lambremont Webre interviews Clifford E. Carnicom. Both the transcript and the interview video are at this site. Plus, the Parts 2 and 3 of this article.

Lots of reading.


Expert: Chemtrails are Global Covert Operation for Total Control, Detecting UFOs

Alfred Lambremont Webre, Seattle Exopolitics Examiner, February 28th, 2011

Clifford E. Carnicom, an acknowledged expert since 1999 on the global covert spraying of aerosols into the atmosphere operation (also known as “Chemtrails”), stated in an exclusive ExopoliticsTV interview with Alfred Lambremont Webre released March 1, 2011 that the covert aerosol-spraying operation had transformed the Earth’s atmosphere into a plasma for carrying out weaponized applications such as bio-warfare (including Morgellons disease), electromagnetic operations such as HAARP, weather warfare, tectonic (earthquake) warfare, mind control, advanced surveillance technology, and detection of advanced propulsion technology including UFOs.

Seven weapons applications of sprayed aerosols

In the ExopoliticsTV interview, Mr. Carnicom details seven weapons applications of the covert global sprayed aerosols program that are being used to carry out over-all the goal of “absolute control” over the global human population.

These seven weapons applications of the sprayed aerosols are:

1. Biological operations, including the use of apparent bio-warfare, such as Morgellons disease, in the sprayed aerosols, constituting war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and the Geneva conventions.

2. Military Operations, such as advanced radar applications, anti-missile Star Wars applications.

3. Electromagnetic Operations, including HAARP directed energy scalar weapons and mind control weapons applications, constituting war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and the Geneva conventions.

4. Environmental modification and weather wars. Mr. Carnicom stated he has concluded that the covert aerosol-spraying program has transformed the atmosphere of the planet into plasma capable of sustaining weaponized applications since its acceleration in 1999. This constitutes a violation of the 1978 Treaty against Modification of the Environment.

5. Geophysical operations, including tectonic (earthquake) warfare, constituting war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and the Geneva conventions.

6. An advanced surveillance system capable of covert surveillance of the entire human population.

7. Detection of exotic propulsion systems, including detection of off-planet or interdimensional UFOs.


http://stevebeckow.com/accountability/weather-warfare/expert-chemtrails-global-covert-operation-total-control-detecting-ufos/

[Snowbird]

Military Said Behind Up To Four Different Chemtrail Programs
By Mike Blair

The first project is an effort to block the rays of the sun from hitting the Earth, including ultra-violet radiation that will come through without an adequate layer of ozone in the upper regions above the Earth. In the event of global warming, this, it is hoped, could lower temperatures on the surface of the Earth and block ultra-violet radiation from causing skin cancer in humans. The aerosol being sprayed in this case is probably aluminum oxide or a compound that would have similar properties, and is the only one of the government programs that does not use the barium mixtures.
(read more.... http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

The second and most secret project is the Navy's Radio Frequency Mission Planner (RFMP) program, which is a system encompassing a group of computer programs. One of its supporting subprograms is know as Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation or VTRPE. This is a computer radio frequency propagation program that deals with radio waves and enables the RFMP system to visually see the terrain of a battlefield in three dimensions on a television-type screen.
(read more..... http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

The third project also utilizes the mixture of barium salts in the atmosphere and involves weather control. It is a project of the AIR Force and utilizes concepts of radio frequency radiation, developed originally by legendary scientist Nikola Tesla, against the ionosphere above the Earth. Known as the so-called HAARP project, it is manipulating life-support systems in the environment, testing and altering them for military advantage.
(read more....http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

The fourth atmospheric project is being run by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) as a means to detect and decontaminate enemy biological attacks. The program also utilizes a mixture of barium salts as the base vehicle in aerosol, along with special polymer fibers. The combination allows detection of biological agents. Some biological agents have actually been released into the atmosphere in trials, testing the detection and decontamination systems. It is believed that barium salt, polymer fibers and other chemicals in the atmosphere are the physical irritants that may be directly or indirectly responsible for unexplained nose bleeds, asthma, allergies, pneumonia, upper respiratory ailments and arthritis-like systems.
(read more.....http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

Article II, Section 2, Clause I of the U.S. Constitution states that the President of the United States of America is the Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces.

Eugenics operations of the chemtrails equates to crimes against humanity. When the military is used to spray the skies anywhere within U.S. borders, the President becomes responsible for crimes against humanity. This is definitely an impeachable offense.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution




Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped

"This is genocide, this is poison, this is murder
by the United Nations. This element within
society that’s doing this must be stopped.

This is a crime, a crime against humanity, a
crime against America."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR6KVYJ73AU&feature=player_embedded



An Appeal to President Barack Obama for a full independent investigation into the
Chemical Spraying Known as Chemtrails. Two Whistleblowers with top level
security clearances speak out.
By Colin Andrews - Posted January 25, 2011

http://www.colinandrews.net/Whistleblowers-Chemtrails.html

[loveandgratitude]

LETS ADD A WHOLE DIFFERENT DIMENSION

I found this article from Educate-Yourself.org and thought this would add a whole new dimension in the debate. This is out of the box, where I like it to be.
link - http://educate-yourself.org/lte/ashleysastraltravels15apr10.shtml.

This article will certainly make some people's mouth to drop open. Pity it does not make their minds drop open.


Letters to The Editor

Astral Traveller Confirms Chemplanes Utilize UFO Technologies

[Editor's Note: The writer of this letter is an 18 year old female living in a Northeastern state. She began to astral travel at age 12. She corroborates information presented to me in early March by a team of Etheric Resistance fighters who explained that chemtrail planes are, for the most part, computer-controlled drones which employ UFO "jump gate" (or hyper space) technology allowing them to blink out of the third dimension and re-appear in another location almost instantly. She adds new information to this area of inquiry by reporting that she witnessed a chemplane operating in the astral dimension spraying populated cities at nearly ground level with a type of chemtrail "DOR smog" to embellish the chemtrail soup we are forced to breathe in on the physical plane. I was delighted to read her letter, as I suspect there is a burgeoning phalanx of advanced souls (perhaps the oft-mentioned Indigo children or children of the Blue Ray) who are going to make a difference in saving this planet from the Reptilian-dominated Illuminated satanists who are bent on destroying it. It's real important to notice that maintaining an attitude of optimism, determination, and inner intention to defeat these dark forces and their genocidal agenda can broadcast a type of scalar thought energy to awakening individuals -around the world - to enlist them into the resistance effort.

And who could not be inspired by a letter which closes with this:

...and all other beings that are helping to give us a fighting chance, are the river which refreshes my spirit daily and the wind which fans the flames in my heart so that it can blaze its brightest and in turn ignite others. Eternal thanks and love to you all! I shall surely, by God's grace, join you soon in this fight.

..Ken Adachi]

http://educate-yourself.org/lte/ashleysastraltravels15apr10.shtml
April 15, 2010

Astral Traveller Confirms Chemplanes Utilize UFO Technologies (April 15, 2010)

----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley
To: Ken Adachi
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010
Subject: Hello

Hello Mr. Adachi !

At the age 12, The abilities that allow one to travel to other planes of existence were awakened inside of me by the spiritual guardians who watch over me. I had thought that what I was experiencing wasn't just a dream because of the nature of the dreams, but it wasn't until I found your website that I came to the realization that all of the experiences I've had were in fact astral travels and more often then not, etheric attacks by demonic entities, And that I do have the ability to pass into that realm. Due to my age, there are restrictions that are placed by my guardians on where and when I go but it is a form of astral training that I am being placed in, in order to, when the time comes, perform certain tasks or whatever duty I am to perfom in the near future.

To give a little background info, I have had these travels for exactly seven years straight and counting. Just the mere fact that I am so young and being allowed to see these kinds of things and receive this kind of attention shows me just how much time is of the essence and that there isn't really anymore time to take it slow, so I was given a very in depth and extensive crash course, so to speak. I want to thank you for all your contributions to this silent revolution, I hold you, Mr. Nicoloff, the etheric warriors of this planet and the United Galactic Federation of the galaxy of Hendon in my prayers and heart, daily. It is the highest honor of mine to be able to offer whatever humble assistance I can, even in the form of prayers for those who can make a difference and do what I cannot at the time because of my age.

I've been at this site for about three years now and its an absolute joy to be able to read all of the things posted here and never get bored. Out of 1600 students in my school I have managed to help awaken all of my freinds which are in total about 13 plus one teacher and all my family members, even my ten and six year old little sisters, I know that's not much but some is better than none and its just a start. I'm writing to you regarding your interveiw with Mr. Nicoloff on April,07. You mentioned what was relayed to you by certain etheric warriors regarding the chemtrail planes and their functions. I was actually amazed when I heard this, due to an astral travel that I had just last year and thought I would write to you about it, but reconsidered.

I was within the ether of the city in the downtown area where I live and as I looked around I saw a chemtrail plane flying very low to the ground, so low, in fact you would have to be hopelessly blind not to see it. It was releasing this smog type trail into the etheric of the air and around the areas people are most often found. Upon seeing this of course, I just thought about going into the plane and in an instant I was inside of it. There was a heavy set man in a strangely textured grey body suit and he was in astral form as well and was checking the flow of this smog in the ether and monitoring it. As he went back into the plane I jumped and went in as well and when I looked in I saw that it was completely bare, no chairs, no parachutes, no real human levers and buttons to push, no supplies, it was empty, certainly no humans ran this thing. Well as I looked, the inside was wide enough for things like equipment or cargo but nothing else. The heavy set man was at the steering device but he was more along the lines of monitoring how it moved, than actually piloting it.

After I'm done looking around and using my mental database to assess the situation, I point to him and I say what anyone says when they figure out the truth "Aha!" I said triumphantly "I know what you're doing" I said "I can see you." For the record, my presence is almost never appreciated on the ether because I have a knack of showing up where I'm not welcome, if you catch my drift. So immediately he clenches his teeth in anger and charges after me, After getting his hand around my neck he slams me with extreme force into the floor of the plane. Now, in reality if such force had been applied my skull would be shattered and my neck would be broken, However, due to certain barriers placed upon me by my guardians this attack was greatly mitigated but I could still feel the reverberations through out my body. What I noticed when he charged at me was that he didnt press any auto pilot button or say any type of command that would alert the plane that he was leaving the controls so why was it that it was flying itself as if we weren't even there?

Now that he has me pinned to the floor, he has triggered the innate defense mechanism inside of me which dictates that unless I am attacked, I do not attack, no matter how evil a being may be, as long as they keep their vibrations and their hands to themselves. So now I grab him by the fat of his shoulders and begin rolling over to get him off of me, It works and we roll to one side of the plane. As this goes on I become aware of the manuver the plane is making, now I have never known a plane to make such sharp turns, it stopped for a moment and then in the next instant it fixed itself like the point of 90 degree angle, it was very unusual for a plane to make such an irregular and unnatural position it reminded me of how UFO's move.

Eventually the man realizes that I am not going to give up and he hoists me into the air until my head is smushed against the ceiling and then he throws me with all his might, out of the ether of my city and the plane, into an Australian CIA/FBI type of place (but that's a whole other travel).

Now initially when I had this travel LAST YEAR, I came to the conclusions that:

..1) Chemtrail planes have the ability to go into the etheric world and spray this DOR type smog there, which may make the chemtrails sprayed in the physical more effective.

2) These planes may look simple and unassuming but they are made with advanced technology, I thought some type of Dugway [Utah] military or Area 51 type technology.

3) The planes are on perpetual auto pilot so there isn't anyone who needs to steer it. Plus it has no supplies or seats or anything that would imply that human beings need to run it.

I came to these conclusions last year and debated with myself as to whether or not to email you about it, These would be pretty big claims to make, especially from a 17 year old that has no ability or means with which to back anything up. Therefore, I was very apprehensive and decided to keep it to myself but I was sure I was right. Thank you Mr. Adachi and the etheric warriors who took the time to find this information because just by them finding this out and you broadcasting this, you have verified that what I experienced was not incorrect and that what I saw last year was in fact true, I found it almost too coincidental to be true, first I had this astral travel and then a year later what I saw is verified by a whole different person! It's one thing for me to say such things, but for a group of experienced adepts at astral travel and for you yourself to say it with confidence and I have never even met any of you, gives me justification in what I beleived to be true and while it may not mean much coming from me, I absolutely know that their information is just and is not a lie (and I have nothing to gain by agreeing with you). Unfortunately, I enter the ether only at certain times when certain things arise that need to be taken care of, but as my training goes on, I am sure I shall be able to go at will. The ether sure is a big place...very dynamic.

I shall give all the more in my prayers to you etheric warriors so that your endeavors will be lighted with the love of a million pure hearts and that haply, you, my other selves, can do what I cannot at the moment and be blessed and accomplished in this task. All of you etheric warriors and you Mr. Adachi and Mr. Nicoloff and General Jeremiah and the Galactic Federation and all other beings that are helping to give us a fighting chance, are the river which refreshes my spirit daily and the wind which fans the flames in my heart so that it can blaze its brightest and in turn ignite others. Eternal thanks and love to you all! I shall surely, by God's grace, join you soon in this fight.

Ashley

P.S My apologies for the length

Reader Comments

Subject: Chemtrail planes utilize UFO technology - confirmation
From: Joe
Date: Sun, April 18, 2010
To: Ken Adachi

Dear Mr. Adachi,

Thank you so much for publishing the article by an astral traveler about some chemtrail planes using hyper gate technology to jump through time and space. Several weeks ago I was watching chemtrail planes over my upstate New York area through binoculars.

Suddenly, a plane I was watching disappeared. I was most confused because there were no real clouds or obstructions between my filed of view and the plane.

Many years ago, I read an article about an airplane mechanic who discovered a fuel dispensing apparatus, tank and valves installed in a commercial aircraft. It was not on his list of check out items and he was forced to keep quiet about it. Evidently, his conscience would not let him remain quiet.

Evidently, the NWO elite thought the poison spraying was not progressing fast enough and resorted to higher technology to poison us and the earth.

I do not expect a response because I know you have to filter through many e-mails.

I just wanted to confirm the astral traveler's story based on my observation.

I am not an astral traveler nor do I have any special abilities. I'm just a retired engineer and teacher who has been on both sides of the podium.

Yours in Christ,

Joe J
Rome, New York

[Hervé]

That's why Bill posted this:




http://circular_chemtrail_aircraft.jpghttp://projectavalon.net/circular_chemtrail_aircraft.jpg

[meeradas]

[...]
Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped
"This is genocide, this is poison, this is murder
by the United Nations. This element within
society that’s doing this must be stopped. [...]

That particular thing was on here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11514-Former-FBI-Chief-Ted-Gunderson-Says-Chemtrail-Death-Dumps-Must-Be-Stopped) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17730-Chemtrail-pilot-talks&p=193332&viewfull=1#post193332) before

[Icecold]

MEDIA RELEASE

10 November 2010
Embargo: 11.30 am (Canberra time)
133/2010

Death rates lowest on record

Death rates are the lowest on record and life expectancy continues to increase, according to the latest report released today by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS).

Death rates have continued to decline over the past 20 years. In 2009, the standardised death rate was the lowest on record at 5.7 deaths per 1000 people. In 1989, the standardised death rate was 9.1 deaths per 1000 people.

There were nearly 141,000 deaths registered in 2009 (72,300 men and 68,400 women).

Australian life expectancy for both males and females continues to be amongst the highest in the world. Assuming current death rates, a boy born today can expect to live an average of 79.3 years, while a girl can expect to live to 83.9 years. Having survived to age 60, men could expect to live another 23 years and women another 26 years.

Since 1989, life expectancy has increased by 6 years for men and just over 4 years for women, reflecting the decrease in death rates over time. The increase in life expectancy is one of the factors contributing to the ageing of Australia's population.

The infant mortality rate increased slightly, from 4.1 deaths per 1,000 births in 2008 to 4.3 in 2009.

Further information is available in Deaths, Australia, 2009 (cat. no. 3302.0) available for free download from the ABS website www.abs.gov.au.

State and territory information is also available. Sub-state information will be available on 9 December 2010.

Media Notes:

The standardised death rate removes the effect of different age structures in different populations.

When reporting ABS data the Australian Bureau of Statistics (or ABS) must be attributed as the source.

[Icecold]

What happened to the thread??????

Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency for people to favor information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses regardless of whether the information is true.

As a result, people gather evidence and recall information from memory selectively, and interpret it in a biased way. The biases appear in particular for emotionally significant issues and for established beliefs. For example, in reading about gun control, people usually prefer sources that affirm their existing attitudes. They also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position.

Biased search, interpretation and/or recall have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a stronger weighting for data encountered early in an arbitrary series) and illusory correlation (in which people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).

A series of experiments in the 1960s suggested that people are biased towards confirming their existing beliefs. Later work explained these results in terms of a tendency to test ideas in a one-sided way, focusing on one possibility and ignoring alternatives. In combination with other effects, this strategy can bias the conclusions that are reached. Explanations for the observed biases include wishful thinking and the limited human capacity to process information. Another proposal is that people show confirmation bias because they are pragmatically assessing the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way.

Confirmation biases contribute to overconfidence in personal beliefs and can maintain or strengthen beliefs in the face of contrary evidence. Hence they can lead to disastrous decisions, especially in organizational, military, political and social contexts.

[Fred259]

What is the point Icecold, when you try and inform the forum of known facts they prefer reading and listening to mumbo jumbo.

It’s much easier sitting back and listening to someone spewing forth mumbo jumbo rather than actually thinking the solution through and applying known facts and common sense, so the mumbo jumbo takes precedence. This is the problem.

However the facts are that each and every person reading this thread knows that Chemtrails don’t exist. They studied this in school; the problem is they have forgotten.

Trails are formed when the relative humidity in the upper atmosphere are close to 100%. If the relative humidity is 100% clouds will form. If less than 100% contrails will still form but will dissipate over time. This could be five minutes or five hours, it all depends on the relative humidity of the upper atmosphere.

Wet Dry Bulb Thermometer.

What is happening in the upper atmosphere is exactly the same that happens on your doorstep when you examine the wet and dry bulb thermometer if you have one.

When the wet and dry temperatures come together the atmosphere is super saturated. Moisture that was previously held in the atmosphere is a gaseous state now turns to liquid. With increased cooling in the atmosphere the moisture will turn to mist.

Further cooling will turn the mist to fog. Mist and fog are the same. The difference between the two is that Mist has a forward visibility of one nautical mile or more (6,080 feet). Fog forms when forward visibility is reduced below one nautical mile or 6080feet. Further cooling of the fog will cause the moisture to turn to ice.

For the benefit of Australians this is what happens in colder latitudes. In the early morning frost and ice covers the ground. At sunrise the temperature starts to increase, causing the overnight fog to thicken due to convection and mixing in light winds, speed 2-6 knots.

Increased inbound radiation from the sun will cause the fog to dissipate changing to mist, normally by 10.00hrs local time with increased forward visibility. Further heating from the sun and increased convection causes the mist to further dissipate. The water droplets previously held in suspension in the atmosphere as fog and then mist, still exist, however now they exist in a gaseous state.

The wet bulb temp (called the dew point) might be -2C the dry bulb temp might be +2C. Mist and fog will not form under these conditions. When the sun goes down the temperature decreases towards the dew point or wet bulb temperature, in our example -2 and mist will form. Further cooling will cause fog.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature


Latent Heat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phase_change_-_en.svg

If you don’t look at this diagram, you will never understand what is going on. The facts are you studied this at school all those years ago, its just that you've forgotten.

Gas (or vapor) changes to a Liquid State by Condensation and from a Liquid State to a Solid State (Ice) by Freezing.

Then the other way around;

Solid (Ice) Melts into a Liquid State and then Vaporises into a Gas or Gaseous state.

This is exactly what happens when the wife defrosts the fridge, isn’t it!

(NB Forget Plasma in this diagram).


Aircraft Departs - What happens?

Precisely the same is happening when an aircraft departs your local airport. Climbing out contrails don’t form. Why? Because the relative humidity is less than 100%. Temperature pressure and density all decrease with increasing altitude, and so above 25,000 feet the temperature might be around -35C and circa -60C at 36,000 feet.

If the relative humidity is much less than 100% contrails will NOT form.

If the relative humidity is close to 100% contrails WILL form.

If the relative humidity is 100% upper level clouds WILL form.

It’s nature.

Why do people say, “They’re chemtrailing today, it’s the first time this week”!

The correct answer is it’s the first time this week that the relative humidity in the upper atmosphere has been 100% or close to 100% and so contrails will form.

American Airlines fly ten times a day from JKF to LA regardless of the state of upper atmosphere and relative humidity! If the relative humidity it’s less than 100% NO Contrails will form, if its close to 100% contrails will form.

Engines.

Gasses are moving through the engine at 2,500 feet per second, or twice the height of the WTC per second. Towards the back of the engine the gasses pass through a convergent duct. Under Boyles law gasses that pass through a convergent duct will reduce in temperature and increase in pressure and velocity. This is what we want; thrust. The gas is expelled into the atmosphere at +650C or +1200F where the outside air temp is -50C

Therefore we have a 700 degree change in temp that occurs instantly. The gasses behave just like the wet dry bulb thermometer and turn from vapor to moisture to ice, except it happens instantly due to the speed and shock cooling. A contrail will form.

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/class/contrail.html


The Institute of Mechanical Engineers - Cranfield University - Rolls Royce Plc.

You can look at websites and watch videos all day, every day, or you can refer to the above organisations who frankly know what they are talking about. It’s not really a matter for discussion. These organisations know what they are talking about. Period.

This is what the industry are doing to mitigate contrails………

Quote from Paragraph four.

“Contrails form as the engine exhaust mixes with ambient air, the temperature drops and humidity levels reach super-saturation, leading to the formation of ice particles. Contrails are also more likely to form as a result of increasingly-efficient engine architecture”.

Read it here – you can’t make this up folks…

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/11/20/319138/contrails-could-be-dissipated-by-airborne-microwave-emitter-research.html



Aerial Atmospheric Spraying.

I don’t doubt for one minute that the US Military or contractors may be involved in this activity. In reality it’s probably a few modified aircraft undertaking this role. The fact is we don’t know.

I am aware of a group of research scientists at Edinburgh University UK who suggested that spraying the upper atmosphere with chemicals may be a solution in mitigating climate change. This is also known as Geo Engineering. However it was only a research document. We don’t know if this ever happened or not.

What we do know is that commercial transport aircraft that you see in the skies daily are not spraying chemicals. By this I mean airlines throughout the world. The reason we know this is because what comes out the back exhaust is vapor sublimating to ice crystals instantly.

Furthermore no delivery system exists for this to occur in commercial aircraft worldwide and if it did, the industry would know about it and so would you.

I strongly urge you to go back to you school days, and recall when you studied these simple laws of elementary physics; you will above all enjoy it, you’ll do it yourself rather than rely on mumbo jumbo and above all you will be wiser, so well done you. It is after all is said and done nature.


Super-saturation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersaturation

Dew Point

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dew_point

Humidity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humidity

Latent Heat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_heat

Atmospheric Thermodynamics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Atmospheric_thermodynamics

Contrails

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail

Chemtrail. Conspiracy Theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

[Patrikas]

Has anyone thought that perhaps we are all partially right personally i do .......put it together to form another piece of the puzzle for better understanding

[Fred259]

Has anyone thought that perhaps we are all partially right personally i do .......put it together to form another piece of the puzzle for better understanding

Perhaps the part of the puzzle that needs to be understood is that the US and UK frankly no longer exist in the way you would at one time think of them as nation states.

Power and control now lies with the banking and military industrial complex. Instead of thinking of the IRS think JP Morgan. Department of Homeland Security think Lockheed Martin, Department of Energy think Halliburton.

Congress in Washington and the House of Commons in London are just talking shops who deal with day to day matters. They have no real power it’s just an illusion for public consumption.

That’s the real puzzle that needs to be understood.

Partially right about what? Chemtrails, No. They don’t exist. Only those who rely on the internet for knowledge know about Chemtrails. Real scholars think this suggestion is ludicrous. They are right. Instead of listening to all the lies and deceit work it out yourself, from books and manuals and what you were taught in school or college.

Everything on the web about Chemtrails is 100% utter garbage, put out by the Military industrial complex to scare and control you. But you are right Patrikas, its part of a much bigger picture or agenda. The MIC facilitated the internet to allow this rubbish to circulate.

In Britain local councils (or counties) and now run by the Military Industrial Complex. They propose to close libraries and in the future all knowledge will be on the web. Ha…. When this happens make sure you buy up all the knowledge text books in the library sale and keep them for your children and grandchildren.

[Icecold]

Has anyone thought that perhaps we are all partially right personally i do .......put it together to form another piece of the puzzle for better understanding

Perhaps the part of the puzzle that needs to be understood is that the US and UK frankly no longer exist in the way you would at one time think of them as nation states.

Power and control now lies with the banking and military industrial complex. Instead of thinking of the IRS think JP Morgan. Department of Homeland Security think Lockheed Martin, Department of Energy think Halliburton.

Congress in Washington and the House of Commons in London are just talking shops who deal with day to day matters. They have no real power it’s just an illusion for public consumption.

That’s the real puzzle that needs to be understood.

Partially right about what? Chemtrails, No. They don’t exist. Only those who rely on the internet for knowledge know about Chemtrails. Real scholars think this suggestion is ludicrous. They are right. Instead of listening to all the lies and deceit work it out yourself, from books and manuals and what you were taught in school or college.

Everything on the web about Chemtrails is 100% utter garbage, put out by the Military industrial complex to scare and control you. But you are right Patrikas, its part of a much bigger picture or agenda. The MIC facilitated the internet to allow this rubbish to circulate.

In Britain local councils (or counties) and now run by the Military Industrial Complex. They propose to close libraries and in the future all knowledge will be on the web. Ha…. When this happens make sure you buy up all the knowledge text books in the library sale and keep them for your children and grandchildren.

We see eye to eye on these issues Fred. :)

[truthseekerdan]

Weatherman Confirms US Military Sprays Chemtrails


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6VmK5zNiCM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6VmK5zNiCM

[Icecold]

LOL@Truthseeker(yeh right)Dan,


Weatherman Confirms US Military Sprays Chemtrails

The news reader did not mention 'chemtrails' at all. He mentioned chaff which are small pieces of aluminium confetti used to defend against air to air/ground to air missiles and also to block radar detections of aircraft. THIS IS NOT A CHEMICAL. It is a missile deterrent. Jeeesus!

Why did you say it was a chemtrail? That is totally disinformation. Unbelievable.

[3optic]

LOL@Truthseeker(yeh right)Dan,


Weatherman Confirms US Military Sprays Chemtrails

The news reader did not mention 'chemtrails' at all. He mentioned chaff which are small pieces of aluminium confetti used to defend against air to air/ground to air missiles and also to block radar detections of aircraft. THIS IS NOT A CHEMICAL. It is a missile deterrent. Jeeesus!

Why did you say it was a chemtrail? That is totally disinformation. Unbelievable.

Hey Icecold. For as long as I've been hearing about them, chemtrails have been said to include aluminum and barium.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5pgL_ogFsI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh4iS_P5aBw&feature=related

Highly recommended to advance this debate:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA

Also maybe Truthseeker(yeh right)Dan deserves the benefit of the doubt. maybe misinformant upgraded from disinformant. Or maybe he's onto something.

[3optic]

Has anyone thought that perhaps we are all partially right personally i do .......put it together to form another piece of the puzzle for better understanding

Perhaps the part of the puzzle that needs to be understood is that the US and UK frankly no longer exist in the way you would at one time think of them as nation states.

Power and control now lies with the banking and military industrial complex. Instead of thinking of the IRS think JP Morgan. Department of Homeland Security think Lockheed Martin, Department of Energy think Halliburton.

Congress in Washington and the House of Commons in London are just talking shops who deal with day to day matters. They have no real power it’s just an illusion for public consumption.

That’s the real puzzle that needs to be understood.

Partially right about what? Chemtrails, No. They don’t exist. Only those who rely on the internet for knowledge know about Chemtrails. Real scholars think this suggestion is ludicrous. They are right. Instead of listening to all the lies and deceit work it out yourself, from books and manuals and what you were taught in school or college.

Everything on the web about Chemtrails is 100% utter garbage, put out by the Military industrial complex to scare and control you. But you are right Patrikas, its part of a much bigger picture or agenda. The MIC facilitated the internet to allow this rubbish to circulate.

In Britain local councils (or counties) and now run by the Military Industrial Complex. They propose to close libraries and in the future all knowledge will be on the web. Ha…. When this happens make sure you buy up all the knowledge text books in the library sale and keep them for your children and grandchildren.

We see eye to eye on these issues Fred. :)

Ah! Strongly compelling argument. Very much like to know how you'd analyze the videos I posted, Fred. Are these paid disinformants? Dupes? Artless fools?

Thanks!

[3optic]

Also, Fred you mentioned how unlikely it is that commercial aircraft would be involved. Is it possible that the majority of this is done with MIC planes exclusively?

[Fred259]

Video One - AC Griffiths

I have listened to the AC Griffiths report in full last week. Like you I was most interested in hearing what he had to say. He reports that he “got inside” Wright Patterson Air Force Base where the chemtrailing is happening. Wonderful, so now we are getting somewhere.

However he doesn’t actually say anything, what we get is sixty minutes of waffle on The CIA, Israel then Russia back to the CIA, then the JFK assassination for some reason. This is followed by absurd statements that Israel foiled a Russian attack on the US, that Russia possess a weather modification weapon that the US have no defense against, and finally a statement that Hurricane Katrina was steered into New Orleans by the Russians.

It’s totally absurd and indicative of the whole mass of disinformation lies and total bunkum that exists on the web. He was going to tell us about chemtrailing, whatever happened to that?

His statements about Katrina are ridiculous. The tropical revolving storm code named Katrina by the US, starts in the Aegean and the mountains of East Central Europe and then blows across the Mediterranean before forming the Harmattan wind which blows towards the equator around Dakar and then eventually crosses the tropical Atlantic towards the Gulf of Mexico. The track of the storms are consistent year after year and decade after decade and can be found between the equator and the tropic of cancer, where the geostrophic force breaks down. Because of the slack pressure gradient, the storm propagates and deepens in intensity between the equator and the tropic of cancer. It’s nature that’s steering the storm not the Russians!

Video Two - Sister Rosalie Bertell Phd.

At 0.58 in this video Sister Bartell says Quote “It's not natural to have something criss crossing the sky and staying around for hours”

One moment. The lady has made a statement that frankly is wrong.

It’s perfectly natural to have jet trails criss crossing the skies and staying around for hours provided the relative humidity is close to 100%. Under these conditions the trails will slowly dissipate over a number of hours.

If the Relative Humidity is 100% upper level clouds will form. This is how upper level clouds, Cirrus and Cirrostratus form.

If the dry bulb temp on your doorstep in Hollywood is +2C and the wet bulb temp is also +2 the relative humidity is 100% and fog will form. The fog will last indefinably or until the dry bulb temp increases away from the wet bulb temp. It could be one day seven days or seventy days.

In reality what happens is that the sun heats up the atmosphere daily and by mid morning sufficient heating and mixing exists lifting the fog into mist and low level cloud. This is called the Diurnal vibration of temperature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diurnal_temperature_variation

This is precisely what is happening in the upper atmosphere, in exactly the same way.


However I do accept that Sister Bertell is an older lady and she will remember the skies perhaps back in the 1950 and 60s, and wonder why they have changed. The answer is the volume of traffic.

Today for example in the UK, British Airways and British Midland operate over seventy flights daily between London Heathrow and Edinburgh. Other operators fly services from four other London airports no less also to Edinburgh. The same pattern can be found within the United States. If we go back and look at the traffic stats over the years and you will find the answer.


Video Three - Stewart Howe.

The third video, that is the Stuart Howe report is very professional. I watched this around eighteen months ago and was impressed. Since then I have also watched numerous clips. It’s a very thorough investigation. I like the way he travelled to Hawaii and his investigation on that island, but for me the best bit is when he puts on shirt and tie and marched down the corridors of Congress with his findings. The report is also backed by G. Edward Griffin who lets agree has stature.

However what they don’t do in the investigation is examine the three basic causes of the proliferation of these jet trails which are;

1) Upper level atmospheric humidity levels.

2) Traffic statistics over the last twenty years.

3) Changes in engine design from turbojets in the 1970s towards three and four shaft architecture high by pass ratio engines that airlines operate today.

4) The changes or rather the advancement in navigation with the introduction of technology namely TCAS (Traffic collision avoidance systems) Essentially new technology means aircraft still operate olong airways but can also operate off airway with each aircraft's computer handshaking with each other and thus maintaining vertical and lateral separation. It’s this that’s producing the criss crosses Sister Bertell mentions in the video.

I think Stewart Howe needs to consider the atmosphere and aviation side in his investigation. He does touch on it a bit, but a much deeper investigation is required and it will then become clear. I do agree with you its a good investigation.


Moving on to your other post.

You ask if these people are paid disinformants Dupes or artless fools as you put it.

My personal opinion is that the AC Griffiths report is very suspect. Comments such as Israel “saving the US” from attack by the Russian are wild in my view. The Russians steering Hurricane Katrina into Louisiana is complete balderdash. He doesn’t have an understanding of tropical revolving storms.

You know this, so ask yourself: Was Katrina a single event? Is this the first time this has ever happened? Does eastern Florida and gulf coast suffer from Hurricanes?

It happens each and every year doesn't it, year in year out it's nothing to do with Russians steering hurricanes, it’s ludicrous suggesting that. The reality is that the folks living in and around the Gulf States will probably know more about hurricanes than anyone else!

The facts are he hasn’t said anything about Chemtrails, and what he has said are very questionable statements.

Sister Bartell. This lady in my view has "arrived" at the chemtrail issue if I can put it like that. She has campaigned previously (rightly) on the use of depleted uranium and a number of other government related issues which are very apparent. These are known facts, Iraq and Israel have serious issues with DU and she is quite rightly speaking out about this.

I do however think she should have left the chemtrail discussion given no facts exist. In the video if you listen carefully she says she has seen trails over Paris and Geneva. This is quite normal, you would expect this.

Again she is left making comments and statements without any evidence. It’s entirely understandable she makes these vague comments because it’s impossible to find the evidence, indeed no evidence exists which is why everyone blames the government which is ridiculous.

The only organisations that could be involved in spraying of the upper atmosphere are airlines or the military. If either were involved in this activity worldwide evidence would exist and B&K would have interviewed whistleblowers years ago.

I can tell you with hand on heart and bible, that the only fluids that are expelled or sprayed from aircraft and into the atmosphere is the dirty water from galleys and the water content of the toilets which evaporates.

I like the Stewart Howe investigation. He is a journalist and is on the right track, I thing he is entirely genuine, but he needs to consider at the aviation side and it will become clear that these trails are jet trails or contrails.

A day spent with John Lear would be ideal, John would explain everything and the matter would then be closed. Go and crawl over an old aircraft in the bone yard and see for himself that none of these suggestions are even remotely possible.

People look at the back sections of wings and see these canister shaped objects, and think “this is where the chemicals are stored”. Then they post on forums. The canister shaped objects are flap housings containing electrical motors and flow control valves, worm gears that raise and lower the flaps. They are largely self contained. The remainder of the wing is an integral fuel tank. Is it a good idea to have electrical motors operating next to fuel vapors? NO, and so this is the reason they are contained within these housings that they call chemical canister’s A perfectly sensible explanation is available for all these ludicrous statements peppered on forums.


In post #155 you ask if it’s possible in my opinion that the majority of "this" is done by MIC planes exclusively?

The answer is what do you mean by “this”. “This” or they are contrails and will occur from any aircraft given the correct atmospheric conditions.

We have no control over what the military are involved with. My personal view is it’s a crime to be clowning around with the ionosphere, that’s just my view.

We know that government contractors are involved with weather modification and cloud seeding; I also think that’s wrong as I’m sure most people would agree.

I don’t believe the military are spraying either; they don’t really have the capacity or the aircraft to be doing this on the scale that we see worldwide.

Moving slightly off topic if I may Mod, in the 9/11 investigation many around the world spent two years looking at utter BS being published on the web, before ditching the lot and starting again with a blank sheet of A4 typing paper.

General Electric GE have in the past paid very considerable sums of money to disinformation organisations hiding the truth about 9/11. The same company just very recently were again involved in funding a counter subversion initiative again relating to 9/11.

Boeing could resolve the issue of 9/11 with a ten minute press conference this afternoon if they so wished. They choose not to do so.

I think the invisible government; the banking Military Industrial Complex gang of thieves have a problem with the alternative media. They control the news media and also the alternative media, but occasionally you get individuals like B&K who start compiling the compartmentalization of restricted information and so after a few years just a very few people start to get a very good idea of what is really going on.

This was confirmed when Henry Deacon reported that 80% of what John Lear was talking about was true. That doesn’t mean the remaining 20% was untrue rather it means John has not been exposed to 20% of the bigger picture.

Running against those searching for the truth are those who seek to subvert the truth, General Electric funding disinformation campaigns hiding the truth. This is then soaked up by forums and blogs masquerading as truth sites. Only a few are needed as they all copy from each other. It's my view Chemtrails are part of this mass disinformation flow.

It’s probable something may be behind the Chemtrails dissinformation. " Folks just keep looking up in the skies for those Chemtrails while Monsanto are sowing terminator seeds in the soils". Something like that may be happening perhaps, we don’t know however a reason must exist why they are spreading this disinformation, we just need to find the reason.

PS/ Perhaps optic my friend we should do this litte exercise.

Find out the local traffic stats for LAX for the fifteen year period 1980 to 1995 and compare them with the fifteen year period 1995 to 2010. What we need are the number of “movements” at Los Angeles International LAX.

Then do the same for all the other regional airports within the LA greater combination and let’s see the number of movements.

Post the numbers on the thread and let’s discuss them.

[Steven]

Hi,

I discovered and bookmarked this site after watching the Chemtrail Symposium in Belgium in may 2010. By the way, this Symposium is a must watch for the debate.

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/index.shtml

Here is a conclusion to a research done by M. Steadham: http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/report.shtml


Quotes 'The goal of this research was to determine if there was a type of trail that was inconsistent with normal contrails, especially with regard to increased persistence. What was found is that highly persistent trails that last for many hours were seen above Houston, TX on a majority (60%) of observable days during the data collection period. However during this time period none of the 46 Flight Explorer confirmed contrails observed persisted for over 30 minutes and most contrails were under 30 seconds of persistence. Additionally it was discovered that the jets that were responsible for leaving highly persistent trails that last for hours did not ever appear on Flight Explorer and were documented for 8 separate instances, including one instance with two jets in formation (http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/cgi-bin/db-search.cgi?template=img-summary&dbname=img&keywords=unidentifiable&action=searchdbdisplay&sortfield=f6). These unidentifiable jets were found to produce a contrail that was consistent with confirmed contrails during the periods when they weren't leaving highly persistent trails. Highly persistent trails are often seen in the form of isolated relatively short strips (http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/cgi-bin/db-search.cgi?template=img-summary&dbname=img&keywords=strip&action=searchdbdisplay&sortfield=f6), as well as large areas of cirrus aviaticus clouds, but on rare occasions have been seen in totally unique grid (http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/cgi-bin/db-search.cgi?template=img-detail&dbname=img&key2=224&action=searchdbdisplay) and wheel (http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/cgi-bin/db-search.cgi?template=img-detail&dbname=img&key2=632&action=searchdbdisplay) formations.
It is hoped that others will endeavor to repeat these observations and publish their results. By repeating the basic observations for persistence length and whether the flight appears on Flight Explorer, it will be seen whether or not a trend emerges confirming the existence of a unique category of trail. Atmospheric differences due to higher moisture and colder temperatures in different locations will produce greater maximum persistence observed for identifiable traffic. For those in locations with greatest contrailing potential, the task of collecting data on highly persistent trails from unidentifiable flights will be hardest.
In this research I have gone to great lengths to measure and characterize my observations as accurately as possible in order to provide the clearest representation possible given the resources available. by M Steadham ' End of the quotes.

Namaste, Steven

[3optic]

Thanks for your very thorough reply, Fred. I will look into the air traffic stats. If given what you've said is more or less true, it could still leave the door open for some geo-engineering and military dropping "chafe" (?) I wonder if there can be a way to tell the difference with the naked eye.

Also some of the most alarming information from the Stewart Howe film was the aluminum and barium content found on Mt Shasta and Hawaii. If even partly accurate, it would seem to suggest a major program underway.

I would like nothing better than for the bulk of this material to go away. At the very least, refine the info and take out the garbage.

Of course then we can turn our attention to radioactive contaminants..

[Hiram]

Steven,

That data is fantastic.

[Fred259]

Indeed Hiram, I agree it is very good data, I’m persuaded to actually do some work on this now

Hiram; lets try and crack this… I will post up what I think it is and lets discuss it…you do the same if you want

[Hiram]

I've got to watch the symposium...then, most definitely!!

[Fred259]

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Here is a conclusion to a research done by M. Steadham: http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/report.shtml



Here is Stevens Data which shows that at 13.00GMT 07.00hrs local time Houston Texas on the 11the December 2000, the following data was recorded

Houston Weather 07.00 Local time.

Atmospheric Pressure at Ground level 1010mb

Temperature (Dry Bulb) +17C

Temperature (Wet Bulb or Dew Point) +17C

This means that early morning mist is prevalent at 07.00am that morning in Houston. In the next few hours the dry bulb temperature will rise as the sun gets up. The early morning mist will lift probably rapidly and it will turn to a lovely glorious Texan day in December.

Today will be gin clear with many aircraft flying overhead Houston as detailed in Stevens report but NO Contrails today (or just small ones as we will see)

This chart is a Meteorological officers chart for the state of the atmosphere overhead Houston between ground level and 50,000 feet the 100 millibar level.

The blue hatched lines on the left of the chart is the wet bulb temperature or dew point temperature.

The red solid line to the right of the blue colored area is the actual air temp or estimated air temp, but in reality it’s very accurate. These people are pros.

The scale on the left hand scale is the upper altitude millibar level or altitude. Appreciate that pressure, temp and density all decreases with increasing altitude.(They don’t print the altitudes which is a shame, its Met Man talk they expect you to know the altitudes!)

A contrail will only form when the air temp and the dew point meet. At that point the relative humidity is 100% and the air is super saturated. Contrails will form in these conditions only.

Here is the data.

1010mb level ground level Dry Bulb +17C Wet Bulb +17C Early morning Mist or Fog will form.

700mb level 10,000ft Dry Bulb +6C Wet Bulb -12C No Contrail

500mb level 18,000ft Dry Bulb -11C Wet Bulb -24C No Contrail

300mb level 30,000ft Dry Bulb -36C Wet Bulb -56C No Contrail

200mb level 40,000ft Dry Bulb -60C Wet Bulb -62C CONTRAIL WILL FORM

100mb level 50,000ft Dry Bulb -70C Wet bulb -79C No Contrail


This is what Chemtrail lovers say…

On the web we find many videos where people report seeing two aircraft flying in the same direction. They say look the first aircraft (A) is normal it’s pulling a contrail which disappears in ten seconds, but look at the second aircraft (B) its chemtrailing because the contrail doesn’t disappear. Look you can see the second aircraft is the chemtrailer, this is what Bush is doing he's trying to kill us.

That’s the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail. This is proof that Bush is trying to poison us, and then comments like LOOK ProoF !!! WTF ! and OMG!

No No

I hope that you can now see from the chart which clearly shows the importance of the dry bulb and wet bulb temperature in the upper atmosphere all the way to 50,000 feet and above. It's just as important in the atmosphere as it is on your front doorstep.

Only at 40,000 feet will the aircraft be pulling a contrail because the relative humidity is 100% and the atmosphere is super saturated at that level only. It’s just the same as the fog outside your bedroom window when you open the curtains in winter, the atmosphere outside is also super saturated 100% relative humidity and that’s what’s causing the fog. Go back to bed and wait until 10.00 local the fog will have gone.


In this example:

At all other altitudes it will just be normal exhaust that disappears after a very short while circa 30 seconds perhaps, because relative humidity is less than 100% and as you can see in the table the temperature and the dew point (wet bulb and dry bulb) are miles apart. The Met chart shows you this, seriously folks you cant make this up.It was Stevens chart he just posted it up this evening, I haven’t doctored or fixed or changed the chart in anyway.

If aircraft A is heading north at 40,000feet its will pull a contrail all day long.
If aircraft B is heading north at 38,000feet no contrail will form.
If aircraft B climbs to 40,000 feet it will also pull a contrail all day long.
If aircraft A and B both descend to 38,000 feet no contrails will form.

Picture A



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The Caption of this photograph says:

Landers, CA 11/1/94: This appeared overhead every Monday for three weeks, while similar formations were
observed at the same time 50 miles to both the northeast and southeast on two of these occasions.

So what is this? Its Dick Cheney running out of options with nowhere to hide and running low on fuel.

The Picture Caption.


The caption reports that these contrails appeared overhead every Monday for three weeks, and that it also happened 50nm away in the NE and SE.

This is an en-route or temporary holding stack or simple hold. It’s probably military given it only happens on Mondays, my guess would be it’s a tanker holding over a given position waiting for the fighters to arrive, something like that. The air is super saturated 100% relative humidity and its pulling a contrail as you can see.

How are these patterns formed?

Lets imagine Captain Hiram is routing JFK to San Francisco on American N7779. He calls SF control and they tell him because of so many inbounds he has to hold 70 miles from the airport at FL240 (24,000ft)

If you look at the picture notice the tree in the bottom right hand corner, and the building. Imagine the tree is a radio mast and the building the equipment room. So this is a radio navigation aid that are found all over the country. Captain H is now going to hold over this navigational beacon.

The radio navigational aid transmits on the VHF frequency 123.9. He dials this frequency into the radio navigational box and the radio compass will point to that aerial or beacon as they are called. Let’s assume the bearing is due north 360 M ie magnetic north. ( No pole shift today) He positions himself 50 miles out and flies towards the beacon. Frequency 123.9 also has a co-located distance measuring equipment (DME) and this gives Captain H the distance to the beacon.

As he tracks towards the beacon at 24,000 feet pulling a contrail the distance to go clicks down 45miles 25 miles 5 miles etc. So Hiram is approaching from left to right and heading towards the tree which is our imaginary navigational beacon. The compass needle is pointing north and always at the beacon. Notice how the start of the turn is almost over the tree.

As Captain H approaches the beacon the compass needle will start to twitch which indicates he is almost overhead the beacon. The DME reads 1.5 miles, this confirms his position 1.5nm to go to the beacon., that’s in roughly 30 seconds time.

Taking up the Holding Pattern.

As Captain H goes over the beacon the DME will read the height above the beacon which is slant range and the compass needle will fall 180 degrees rapidly. The beacon is now behind him. Captain H is about to take up the hold Time – Turn - Talk.

First Left Turn

Time - H hits the stop watch button.

Turn - H rolls on 20 degrees of left bank and holds the 20 degrees bank angle presisely. The left wing goes down 20 degrees and H starts the left turn.

Talk - H hits the radio button - November triple seven niner entering the hold FL240 (24,000ft)
SF Centre will respond; Rodger triple seven niner - maintain.

H continues holding the 20 degrees of bank and the aircraft is turning in that perfect circle that you see in the picture, still pulling our beloved contrail.

The stopwatch counts up 56, 57, 58, 59 60 at 60 seconds H levels the wings and is now flying in the reciprocal direction due south 180 degrees magnetic on the heading. The compass needle is still pointing at the beacon with a relative bearing of 090degrees magnetic. H is now directly opposite the beacon which is out towards his left but he is heading on the downward leg of that hold in the picture ie from right to left.

Downward leg.

H continues due south for a further 120 seconds, the compass needle will always point towards the beacon, but will increase in realtive bearing as he heads south and away from the beacon. H glances at the tail of the needle and the bottom of the compass rose, the numbers are increasing 125 135 145 and the magic number today is 150 degrees realtive bearing. This is "the gate" which is at the bottom of the downwind leg and directly opposite the beacon, or behind his left shoulder in the 7 o clock position. The trick is to arrive nicely into the gate with 150 degrees relative bearing indicating on the compass at exactly 120 seconds indicating on the stop watch. Sometimes jiggery pokery is required to achieve this, but not so with H. The gate is also the time to start the next turn.

Second Left Turn

At 120seconds on the stop watch H is at the bottom on the downwind leg at a point adjacent with the thumb in the picture. H now rolls on another 20 degrees of bank to the left while watching the stop watch this turn like the first turn is for 60 seconds.

After 60 seconds H has now competed the second turn, the compass needle is now rapidly rising as H rolls of the bank to go straight and level and the compass needle will point dead ahead (or should do) 360degrees magnetic due North.

Inbound leg

H continues to track inbound towards the beacon again for another 120 seconds still pulling the contrail, still at 24,000feet.

At 120 seconds H is now over the beacon again, so he is over the tree. Time Turn Talk, hit the stop watch, roll on 20 degrees of bank and maintain, call SF Centre and keep the turn going for 60 seconds, then roll out in the abeam position, just like before.

Hopefully you can see by now that H has flown a perfect holding pattern. The turns are for 60 seconds and the downward and inbound legs are for 120 seconds. This is therefore a six minute holding pattern. The hold is quite high workload and I am prepared to type this, but will never ever speak or say so, but for some reason "the girls are better at this than the boys". I wonder why!

The Perfect Six minute hold.

This is a perfect six minute hold and with Captain H pulling a contrail you end up with race tracks in the skies like the image in the picture. No No H is not chemtrailing he has flown the perfect holding pattern in an atmosphere where relative humidity is 100%, so contrails and race patterns like the one in the picture will and do form.

SF Centre call H up and he is instructed to descend to 18,000 feet still in the hold, and so the power comes back two clicks, the speed washes off, the nose goes ever so slightly down and down she goes at 400feet per minute rate of descent.

H being a Pro keeps her at 400 feet per minute rate of descent so that the auto pressurisation differential doesn’t lag. This prevents the passengers from having sore ears. H knows that if he hears children or babies crying he’s cocked it up! Not good, make it 300 next time.

HOWEVER, while passing 20,000 feet and still in the hold, with the altimeter unwinding H glances at the OAT gauge (Outside Air Temp) and notices the temperature is increasing now as we descend into warmer air and with relative humidity decreasing less than 100% the contrail disappears into a gaseous state for the time being that is.

Picture B


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The image above is exactly the same, I have a feeling this could be UK probably London so this could be the Windsor holding stack for Heathrow or perhaps the Biggin Hill hold for Gatwick. Equally it could also be in Holland, I just think the house looks like British architecture. Again it's winter, gin clear, supersaturated atmosphere contrails will form for sure.

The only difference with this hold compared with the first picture is that the wind is at upper levels is blowing 90degrees to the hold pattern an so these contrails as you can see are being blown east to west.

I hope that you can see that this is not some aircraft dumping a load of chemicals over some local town just because they all voted Republican, but rather I would hope you would see it for what it really is.

[161803398]

"Pinal" site? eeew I know how evil people use words. Does pinal = pineal? Scary thought. The pineal gland is extremely important to us for a number of reasons...some of them metaphysical. I wonder what the effects of these chemicals are on the pineal gland. Maybe the devil has found a way to get us all to Hell!

[taurad]

@ Fred259/chem-trail sceptics...

Hi all, i just went through 9 pages of this very interesting thread...

i grew up in a both small town and the capital of a small country in the southern central europe...born in early '70-s...

i do clearly remember blue skies, for a good period of the spring all the way to fall...

almost boring (if i knew what was coming later i would definetely cherished those days)...

it was a "luxury" to see writings in the sky...

those were faint, a few aircraft's lengths @ most, dissapearing within the hour...

i'm only able to recollect this now, these days, in regards to current situation...

back then none of my friends or i paid much attention to what that "short little tail at the rear of the plane" was...very insignificant


FAST FORWARD to mid '90-s

i did my master's @ one of thy 4 mediterranean environmental studies centers...

we had professors from all around the globe, coming for a specific environmental sub-topic...

i remember clearly a few, talking about weather/crop programs, as early as '70-s...all this for climate mitigation in the most arid mediterranean conditions

it still didn't interest me or other fellow students as it wasn't disclosed properly, but nicely presented as a purely benevolent programs by several research institutes...

it wasn't until 6 years ago, when my newborn daughter started having respiratory problems...

it's not her diet (i work in a organic store)
it's not her water (i get premium water)
on top of a selected organic food, i have access to both excellent supplements and naturo/homeopathic expertise, my expert friends in those industries, not just from unknown gurus in the industry

there's only one (major) element missing:
AIR QUALITY...

Fred259, i noticed, in your lengthy expert posts, saying the contrails happen in wintry conditions (you commented a few pictures trees didn't have any leaves etc.)...

while it is true scientifically, that condensation needs certain conditions to occur, i can tell you that "modern" trails (whatever these are) happen every month, constantly, independent of the temperature

as a matter of fact, i have my own pictures of a Canada Day (july 1st) of crazy trails in the sky...those started right at noon and lasted till sun down...created a disturbing haze

that was a few years back, it was extremely hot that day, and not as humid...i know it wasn't that humid 'cos my daughter's intolerance to humidity is quite precise...i would have brought her inside the house if it was that humid...

i have also observed extreme humid days in the middle of the summer, above 85%, but it's overcast, so there's no chance to check for trails...

i can barely recall weeks without trails in the sky...


i noticed that You (also others) used the lack of government disclosure proof on the matter...and you are bringing this up in a whistle-blowing web site, which was found on the principles of trying to make sense from analytical ALTERNATIVE thinking, as a result of a major mainstream media failure to do so!!!!

if your trying to share your experince, that's fine by me...if you're telling me you're right and my intelligence level is mediocre because there's no white papers ever released, than there's something wrong here!

take this as a friendly constructive criticism: it doesn't make sense that your backing argument consists in the lack of documentation from our western governements...

if there would be clear disclosure were we came from, what are we, what religions represent, what our history is, even geography, what is really scientific and whatnot, what's happening @ the moment, what's the future looking like etc. we wouldn't even have to know each-other since we wouldn't need online debates

be well

cheers


p.s. even thou you've decided to rely on "white paper" evidence ONLY, there's tons of that too...that comes in various forms as government officials' interviews, retired environmental experts, etc...but again, i still do not understand this obsession on scientific laboratory docs...do not forget, the human OBSERVATION in this planet is the LARGEST DATABASE...

[Flash]

What happened to the thread??????

Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency for people to favor information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses regardless of whether the information is true.

As a result, people gather evidence and recall information from memory selectively, and interpret it in a biased way. The biases appear in particular for emotionally significant issues and for established beliefs. For example, in reading about gun control, people usually prefer sources that affirm their existing attitudes. They also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position.

Biased search, interpretation and/or recall have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a stronger weighting for data encountered early in an arbitrary series) and illusory correlation (in which people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).

A series of experiments in the 1960s suggested that people are biased towards confirming their existing beliefs. Later work explained these results in terms of a tendency to test ideas in a one-sided way, focusing on one possibility and ignoring alternatives. In combination with other effects, this strategy can bias the conclusions that are reached. Explanations for the observed biases include wishful thinking and the limited human capacity to process information. Another proposal is that people show confirmation bias because they are pragmatically assessing the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way.

Confirmation biases contribute to overconfidence in personal beliefs and can maintain or strengthen beliefs in the face of contrary evidence. Hence they can lead to disastrous decisions, especially in organizational, military, political and social contexts.

I really do enjoy these articles Icecold and "I believe due to my training (therefore biaises)" that they are entirely on target for most of our thinking on a regular basis.

I also believe that Fred 259 arguments in post 147 are correct on a scientific basis and well researched.

However, I do accept these arguments for contrails, but cannot accept them for chemtrails on the basis of what I have been aware of since childhood.

As mentioned in another chemtrail thread, my grandfather who was a farmer in the 60's-70's was complaining all the time that the govenrment was seeding the clouds to have a covered sky of to make rain in his region and the crops were either not growing or rottingin the field. A huge group of farmers organised and protested in front of the parliament to have the seeding stopped.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6816-Chemtrails-over-the-thumb&p=97131#post97131

The Quebec government admitted seeding the clouds with aluminum and barium, excused itself for any damange incurred to farmers and stopped - for a while at least. This is all public, reported in newspapers of the time.

We also know that the CIA and US army studied some microbes and virus spraying over North American cities to see how they could counteract the spread of microbes/viruses sprayed by enemies in case of war on our territories (I am Canadian, therefore in America - I do make a distinction between America and US).

The Pentagon's report to Congress contains the following passage: "More than thirty years have passed since outdoor live-agent chemical tests were banned in the United States, and the last outdoor test with live chemical agent was performed, so much of the infrastructure for the field testing of chemical detectors no longer exists or is seriously outdated. The currently budgeted improvements in the T&E infrastructure will greatly enhance both the developmental and operational field testing of full systems, with better simulated representation of threats and characterization of system response." "T&E" is an acronym for testing and evaluation.

"Either the military has resumed open-air testing already or they are preparing to do so," said Francis Boyle, a University of Illinois Professor of International Law who authored the implementing legislation for the U.S. Biological Weapons Convention signed into law by President George Bush Sr. and who has tracked subsequent developments closely.
http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/11371

I therefore cannot do otherwise than extrapolate, logically. If the goverments need to spray anything for HAARP, secret missions, viruses to put us "under" or to study impact of spraying in the jet stream because of irradiation from Japan, they will do it without our consent, as it happened in the past. And I do believe, but this is a real belief like what you mentioned above, that following what happened with our money in 2008, what is happening with all kind of cover up, that much more chemtrails are happening for all kind of purposes than we are supposed to know. IMHO

[Siberia9]

It looks like this has about fizzled out and thats fine with me, to be honest I didnt expect this much attention to a little news link but it was an inetresting ride. There is a new war on a differant thread on this and I will not spend any energy in the fight. Some of you have had given some really impressive and intellegent arguments with charts and graffs etc. In the end the truth is we dont really KNOW exactly what they are up to with this, not me not Fred not any of us, and even if we did they treat us like cattle and do what they want. Thats makes a larger statment about our situation and where my real frustration boils. At some point we as a planet wide group will have to say no more to this slavery. Untill then they will use our own people against us, to poison us, use mind control on us, rob us, imprison us, kill us, steal our children, and do everything they can to break our will, and I for one chemtrails OR contrails am sick of it.

[rbevin]

Yo are so so right.

[Fred259]

@ Fred259/chem-trail sceptics...

Hi all, i just went through 9 pages of this very interesting thread...
i grew up in a both small town and the capital of a small country in the southern central europe...born in early '70-s...

i do clearly remember blue skies, for a good period of the spring all the way to fall...

I agree, I also remember the skies in the early 1960s and yes they were not as they are today. I remember as a child getting on a plane in 1966 at London Heathrow and we just walked on, no security checks, it was like getting on a bus. Look at it today…

British Airways (one airline) from London Heathrow (one airport) have eleven flights in each direction per day to New York JFK (one US Airport) These 22 flights per day probably go right over your head.... So indeed we all remember the skies as children, and I do think if you look at the explosion in traffic flown daily it will become clear.


We had professors from all around the globe, coming for a specific environmental sub-topic...
I remember clearly a few, talking about weather/crop programs, as early as '70-s...all this for climate mitigation in the most arid mediterranean conditions

Yes this does take place, crop spraying, clouds seeding and it’s possible Geo Engineering

Croup spraying takes places feet above the ground and cloud seeding generally below 10,000 feet or the base of the cloud.


I noticed, in your lengthy expert posts, saying the contrails happen in wintry conditions (you commented a few pictures trees didn't have any leaves etc.)...
While it is true scientifically, that condensation needs certain conditions to occur, i can tell you that "modern" trails (whatever these are) happen every month, constantly, independent of the temperature.

Yes I agree, they happen all year. In the thread I was referring to two consecutive pictures that both happened to be in winter, but you are right they can happen throughout the year.

Contrails occur at all times, when the relative humidity at the point and place in the atmosphere where the aircraft is provided its 100% Relative humidity. If the RH is less than 100% no trails will form.



As a matter of fact, i have my own pictures of a Canada Day (july 1st) of crazy trails in the sky...those started right at noon and lasted till sun down...created a disturbing haze.
That was a few years back, it was extremely hot that day, and not as humid...i know it wasn't that humid 'cos my daughter's intolerance to humidity is quite precise...i would have brought her inside the house if it was that humid...

Yes I agree. They started at lunchtime because in the morning inbound solar radiation was increasing towards noon. The earth then heats up, (cities faster than a farm field) and passes this inbound heat by way of convection back into the atmosphere. Large amounts of moisture are held in a gaseous state in the atmosphere. Temp decreases with altitude so when the dry bulb temp is -40C and the wet bulb temp -40C for example at 30,000 feet light cirrus clouds will form due to 100% relative humidity super saturated atmosphere.

Aircraft flying in this atmosphere will contrail all afternoon but note NOT the morning as she (Taurad) reported, HOWEVER she then says in her post “it lasted till sundown”.

So what happened at sundown? No more inbound radiation from the sun, convection from the ground stops, and the wet bulb decreases to -34C and the dry bulb remains at -40C,all at 30,000 feet so the contrails stop, clouds clear, and it turns into a lovely still clear evening. Is this not what happens folks!



I have also observed extreme humid days in the middle of the summer, above 85%, but it's overcast, so there's no chance to check for trails...


7061

Tephigram Chart used by the Met Office to measure the temps and pressures in the living atmosphere.

Yes I agree, you say that on that day its was 85%RH and you would know this because of your daughters condition. I agree using this information lets apply your statements and see what we get. The red line is the decreasing dry bulb temp in the living atmosphere. The blue line is the wet bulb temp also called dew point. She says its 85%RH and overcast.

Where the red and blue lines are together the relative humidity is 100% super saturated. Clouds and contrails will form. This means that the cloud base is 13,000ft overcast as she reports and the cloud tops are 20,000ft. (see pressure altitude scale in blue on RHS)

Below 13,000ft the air is clear, no clods or contrails. Above 20,000 to 75,000 the air is clear no clouds or contrails.

Only when the temp (dry bulb) and the dew point (wet bulb) are together will clouds and contrails form.


I noticed that You (also others) used the lack of government disclosure proof on the matter...and you are bringing this up in a whistle-blowing web site, which was found on the principles of trying to make sense from analytical ALTERNATIVE thinking, as a result of a major mainstream media failure to do so!!!!

No. It’s not alternative thinking, this is scientific fact. Perhaps I didn’t explain myself well enough. First and foremost this whole subject only belongs on the web where everything and anything is written. If you go to a university or any airline company, Bombardier the manufacturer local to you and talk about this they will think you are crazy. An engineer or a scientist would explain how this all occurs. It’s nothing new.

Over the years the industry has changed to meet the demands of the travelling public. The skies are completely different when compared with the seventies, and this has been caused by;

A massive explosion of air travel has taken place.
Changes in the route navigation structure and reduced lateral separation.
Changes in engine design, size and power output.


Take this as a friendly constructive criticism: it doesn't make sense that your backing argument consists in the lack of documentation from our western governements.

You ask about government disclosure. I agree, the government are obliged to answer but then again why should they. A written question was prepared about this subject in the European parliament and an answer provided. The answer related to how contrails are formed based on standard science, engineering and known operational procedures.

I agree with the statement not because it’s the EU, but because its proven scientific fact.


if there would be clear disclosure were we came from, what are we, what religions represent, what our history is, even geography, what is really scientific and whatnot, what's happening @ the moment, what's the future looking like etc. we wouldn't even have to know each-other since we wouldn't need online debates

Taurad, This is the most important part of the post you make, why did you leave it to the end! Members think I’m a secret agent working and paid for by Obama who sneaked onto the forum with a bag over my head! Im not Ive worked in the industry for 27 years I’m just explaining how it works. But yes I agree with you, I’m sick to death of the rubbish that read on the internet, and it manifests itself right across society.

The fundamental problem we have is that our nation states in the English speaking world are being destroyed by subversion. This starts with our education system which is completely destroyed, and now young teachers are teaching kids in school, a mix of traditional education and ideology that they learnt at university by lecturers who were themselves subverted. Throw in the internet and you have the complete mess we are in today.

[taurad]

@ Fred259/chem-trail sceptics...

Hi all, i just went through 9 pages of this very interesting thread...
i grew up in a both small town and the capital of a small country in the southern central europe...born in early '70-s...

i do clearly remember blue skies, for a good period of the spring all the way to fall...

I agree, I also remember the skies in the early 1960s and ...

[ Extra quoted material deleted - Paul. ]

The fundamental problem we have is that our nation states in the English speaking world are being destroyed by subversion. This starts with our education system which is completely destroyed, and now young teachers are teaching kids in school, a mix of traditional education and ideology that they learnt at university by lecturers who were themselves subverted. Throw in the internet and you have the complete mess we are in today.


well, first of all i'm MALE, not a problem just not used to being referred as "SHE"...not yet @ least ;)

i'm trying to approach this debate with as much open-mindedness as possible, even thou i "strongly believe" there's an agenda in place...

when i read your posts, those are "clinically clean" in terms of conspiracies, as if this is a governmental website, for NAIVE get-together-afternoon to discuss the latest news seen the day before in Fox News...i hate to do this, but i NEED to ask you @ this point:

- do you believe in conspiracies?

if you don't mind answering my question, tell me what you sencerely believe, and we can then resume our debate.

cheers

[Dennis Jonathan]

I remember when clouds looked natural.

I have over 200 photos from the past 3 months. Pictures of the sky that look more like melted plastic than cloud formations.

What has caused thus change? I have no clue.

Is something different? Well if you have to ask...

I refuse to accept the suggestion that I was just too dumb to notice this for 30 years, and am now too ignorant to understand.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

If you don't believe weather modification exists and is currently being developed via CTs , you are 1.) Entirely ignorant of the subject 2.) Haven't confronted the cowardice of your own psyche 3.(haven't taken the time TO WATCH IT HAPPEN IN REAL TIME ABOVE YOUR HEAD, TO WATCH TRAILS SLOWLY MORPH INTO CLOUDS/STORMFRONTS ETC. tHIS ABOUT SUMS IT UP. My advice to those who fall under these criteria:keep sweepin it under the rug like everything else.

[Fred259]

Well, first of all i'm MALE, not a problem just not used to being referred as "SHE"...not yet @ least ;)

Oooops… did I really “she” you! Sorry.


i'm trying to approach this debate with as much open-mindedness as possible, even thou i "strongly believe" there's an agenda in place...

Absolutely, I agree wholeheartedly. That’s precisely what it is. The agenda is real however this thread and topic and many others are phony, but I agree its central to the agenda. Watch out for the next one… Water.


When i read your posts, those are "clinically clean" in terms of conspiracies, as if this is a governmental website, for NAIVE get-together-afternoon to discuss the latest news seen the day before in Fox News...i hate to do this, but i NEED to ask you @ this point:
- do you believe in conspiracies?

Generally No What is a conspiracy? In my opinion its information, intelligence, perhaps a red flag, Rumour, or just perhaps something that’s that isn’t right. Having obtained this information, I think it’s quite important to ask do I know anything about this subject. I have very little knowledge and understanding of farming, computing, UFO’s medicine, and much much more, so I tend to work on projects where I know a little about the subject. Don’t you?



if you don't mind answering my question, tell me what you sencerely believe, and we can then resume our debate.

I sincerely know that commercial aircraft in the world are not chemtrailing. I sincerely believe that military aircraft have no involvement with chemtrailing. I sincerely believe that this subject along with peak oil, water, global warming and others are psychological tools used within a propaganda campaign against mankind. I sincerely believe that the events on 9/11 was in fact a coup d’état and that the United States government is subverted and controlled by corrupt individuals within the Senior Executive Service. I further sincerely believe that the UK government is hopelessly corrupted, controlled and subverted by the Marxist subversive Julia Middleton, and other women including Cherie Blair, Cressida Dick and Miriam Clegg.




cheers

[loveandgratitude]

NO CHEMTRAILS NOW FOR TWO WEEKS.......and bang right on target.....EASTER MONDAY.......70,000 + people in the Bay, CHEMTRAILS ALL DAY LONG RIGHT OVER BYRON and the FESTIVAL. Many people were pointing up to the sky as hugh white lines, which stayed in the air for 1 hour or so, then another, then another, criss crossing the sky.

[Tahi]

What was the buzz of the crowd like?

Did it become a topic of conversation... re the huge white lines.

[loveandgratitude]

To be honest they probably thought it was "art in the sky, part of the festival" . I was driving back from Brisbane so I did not have the chance to ask people. We stopped for coffee near Bryon and watched as the planes criss crossed the sky. Guaranteed, the next two days people will be sick. It is usually blamed upon the festival and tourists for bringing viruses into town.

[Tahi]

To be honest they probably thought it was "art in the sky, part of the festival" . I was driving back from Brisbane so I did not have the chance to ask people. We stopped for coffee near Bryon and watched as the planes criss crossed the sky. Guaranteed, the next two days people will be sick. It is usually blamed upon the festival and tourists for bringing viruses into town.

Thanks for replying.

Was just trying to find out if people were discussing The White Lines in the Sky. I hope that those who noticed got excited enough to do thier own research.

From my own experiences in the last few weeks, now I look up at the sky more critically and informed. Also enjoying the weather more... Good and Bad.

[Phoenix]

To be honest they probably thought it was "art in the sky, part of the festival" . I was driving back from Brisbane so I did not have the chance to ask people. We stopped for coffee near Bryon and watched as the planes criss crossed the sky. Guaranteed, the next two days people will be sick. It is usually blamed upon the festival and tourists for bringing viruses into town.

Thanks for replying.

Was just trying to find out if people were discussing The White Lines in the Sky. I hope that those who noticed got excited enough to do thier own research.

From my own experiences in the last few weeks, now I look up at the sky more critically and informed. Also enjoying the weather more... Good and Bad.

Are these the kind of events that we should we using to our advantage? What is a better way than to counter TPTB by having awakened people specifically go to these types of events and strike up conversations about the problems at hand (in this case the chemtrail clouds)? Or will that be met with the same resistance as always...

Just a thought.

-Phoenix

[Tahi]

But shouldnt we be doing this everyday? And I agree with what you say Phoenix. I'm all for hanging out at Festivals.... Good times

I'm finding myself in situations where I've been able to pass on info that I've been holding for years. When I do, I dont hold back and unsuspecting peeps get everything I know. But they have to ask first, call it courtesy.

Where if I just came and started listing all the Conspiracies that I've been researching for years, people/ family/ friends, eyes would roll and the laughing would start.

[Dennis Jonathan]

i took some photos last night of some odd linear "venetian blind" clouds, as I call them. A moment later, there was a giant trail piercing them, and they turned into "scale clouds" or "Plate clouds". They got really thin, and seemed to blanket out.

I use my own terms when describing them because the scientific terms are just way too complicated. I'll post pics in a bit, but it was the first time I actually witnessed the trails altering the cloud shape.

Really odd.