Pining for the truth

[str8thinker]

Pine
v.tr. Archaic
To grieve or mourn for.
[Middle English pinen, from Old English pnian, to cause to suffer, from *pne, pain, from Vulgar Latin *pna, penalty, variant of Latin poena, from Greek poin.]

As you can see, using the word pine in this sense gives it a meaning totally different from conifers or pineapples.

Watching David Wilcock perform in The 2012 enigma, you would conclude that the sole significance of the humble pine cone is as a symbol of the human pineal gland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland), a small organ the size of a grain of rice, to which has been attributed all manner of mystical and psychic powers.


Reality of Illusion (Josh Reeves)
http://www.theglobalreality.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v2mgOzZxS0
_v2mgOzZxS0

To whom or what do we owe this belief that somehow the pineal gland is the seat of a "third eye" that enables us to develop our "inner vision"? Certainly not Mr. Reeves, who in the above video states towards the end


The Dog [Cerberus] also represents the mammalian brain of the cerebellum, which resides atop the reptilian brainstem and is the headquarters of the atomic [sic] nervous system.

Bet you'd get a bang out of that. Autonomic, I think he meant. The whole sentence reveals his abysmal ignorance. The misconceptions about the third eye go at least as far back as Descartes, who should have known better.


You may be surprised to learn that such a third eye actually does exist. It is a tiny gland in your brain – the pineal gland. The pineal gland is located in the exact geometric center of your brain. Interestingly, this correlates to the exact location of the ancient Great Pyramid that sits in the center of our physical planet.

The true function of this mysterious gland has long been contemplated by philosophers and spiritual adepts. The ancient Greeks believed the pineal gland was the third eye — our connection to the Realms of Thought. The great philosopher Descartes called it the Seat of the Soul.

The pineal has many characteristics of your exterior eyes, including a lens. It contains a complete map of the visual field of the eyes. It is activated by light, and controls your body’s various natural biorhythms.

http://www.quantum-self.com/quantum-library/mind-stretch/is-thepineal-gland-a-third-eye.html

Apart from the very last sentence, which is true, the rest is pure New Age BS. I have not been able to find any proof whatsoever that the pineal gland enables any metaphysical abilities. Does its removal, accidental or deliberate, influence the abilities of psychics? Are creatures with well developed pineals (such as the tuatara) any more psychic than other animals?


In some vertebrates, exposure to light can set off a chain reaction of enzymatic events within the pineal gland that regulate circadian rhythms.[9] Some early vertebrate fossil skulls have a pineal foramen (opening). This correlates with the physiology of the modern "living fossils," the lamprey and the tuatara, and some other vertebrates that have a parietal organ or "third eye," which, in some of them, is photosensitive. The third eye represents evolution's earlier approach to photoreception. The structures of the third eye in the tuatara are homologous to the cornea, lens and retina, though the latter resembles that of an octopus rather than a vertebrate retina. The asymmetrical whole consists of the "eye" to the left and the pineal sac to the right. "In animals that have lost the parietal eye, including mammals, the pineal sac is retained and condensed into the form of the pineal gland."

pineal gland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland)

That's more like it. Light reception is not the same as remote viewing.


http://i56.tinypic.com/2dp9ok.png

Even though ancient tradition would like to link psychic vision with the pineal gland, there is really no hard evidence so far for this. After all, how long did it take mankind to work out which way blood flowed around the body?

So I guess I'll continue drinking fluoridated water for now. But how do we explain why a huge bronze pine cone happens to be in the Vatican garden, let alone part of the Pope's staff?


http://i56.tinypic.com/b6sivc.jpg

http://quickbeamoffangorn.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/pine-cone-b16.jpg http://historical.benabraham.com/assets/images/Cone08.jpg


One of the common points of Pagan worship is their common symbol for eternal life, the Evergreen, both bush and tree. Further, the Pine Cone is revered because it is the "fruit" or the result of the Evergreen. Since all people of all ages wish to live forever, the Evergreen and Pine Cone have been powerful, and ancient, symbols of Eternal Life.


http://www.crystalinks.com/pineconeosiris250.jpg

This pine cone staff (Egyptian Museum, Turino, Italy) is a symbol of the solar god Osiris. Osiris originated in Egypt, where he was their Messiah, who died for the good of his people, and whose Mother, Isis, was worshipped as the Virgin Mother. Osiris was the Egyptian counterfeit of Jesus Christ!


http://historical.benabraham.com/assets/images/Cone04.jpg

This picture is of the Assyrian winged god with a pine cone, representing power of regeneration. Traceable to Tammuz of Babylon. Most Paganism in history is traceable directly back to Tammuz of Babylon. His mother, Semiramis, was the first Virgin Mother in world history, predating the birth of Jesus Christ by over a thousand years.


http://historical.benabraham.com/assets/images/Cone06.jpg

This is Dionysus, the Greek god, carrying a pine cone staff as a fertility symbol. Children are always looked upon as extending the life of the human species. Therefore, it is predictable that the Pine Cone should be linked to the new life of the conception of children.

Pine Cones are common in Roman Catholic architecture and sacred decorations.

By now, you should be persuaded that Roman Catholicism utilizes the Pine Cone just as many Pagan religions in history have done. We are now accumulating many instances where Catholicism has incorporated many, many elements of Pagan practices within their doctrines, rituals, art and architecture.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/RC125.htm

That should help explain the pine cone on the Pope's staff. But how did the big pine cone end up in the Vatican garden?

(See my next post in this thread)

[ROMANWKT]

What about the Tibetans sculls found with holes on top of the head, that they activate the pineal gland with sticks as part of initiation???

[str8thinker]

(How did the big pine cone end up in the Vatican garden?)

Would you believe this was once part of St. Peter's fountain??


...probably under pope Hadrian I (772-795), a bronze fountain of Roman age, shaped as a huge pine-cone, was taken from the remains of the Baths of Agrippa, behind the Pantheon, and used as a replacement for St.Peter's vase-shaped one. In fact, it was pope Hadrian who had a full restoration carried out to the Aqua Traiana, the ancient aqueduct that ran along the nearby Janiculum Hill, which would have finally provided once again the Vatican with plenty of water. Very likely, its grand opening may have represented a good occasion for renewing the old fountain. The new pine-cone poured running water for two more centuries, until the aqueduct stopped working again.


http://roma.andreapollett.com/S3/FT47.JPG
Drawing of St.Peter's fountain by
Francisco de Hollanda (early 1500s)

About 400 years later, probably under pope Hadrian I (772-795), a bronze fountain of Roman age, shaped as a huge pine-cone, was taken from the remains of the Baths of Agrippa, behind the Pantheon, and used as a replacement for St.Peter's vase-shaped one. In fact, it was pope Hadrian who had a full restoration carried out to the Aqua Traiana, the ancient aqueduct that ran along the nearby Janiculum Hill, which would have finally provided once again the Vatican with plenty of water. Very likely, its grand opening may have represented a good occasion for renewing the old fountain. The new pine-cone poured running water for two more centuries, until the aqueduct stopped working again.

When St.Peter's was completely rebuilt (1506-1614), the fountain and the canopy were dismantled, and most of the precious materials were reused for other purposes. The only parts spared were the peacocks and the pine-cone, which in the early 17th century were moved to the Cortile della Pigna, now part of the Vatican Museums, their ultimate location. The peacocks now on display in the courtyard by the pine-cone are copies; the original ones, which still shine as gold (as the old chronicle says), are kept indoors, in a gallery of the same museum.


http://roma.andreapollett.com/S3/roma-ft1b.htm

Come to think of it, the natural shape of a pine cone would be ideal for a fountain, one that Fibonacci would have been proud of. And this explains why it came from the Baths of Agrippa; when you examine it closely, you can see the holes out of which water used to spurt.


http://roma.andreapollett.com/S3/FT348.JPG


These pine-cones were a customary feature of the classic fountain, as the scales of the cone present natural and graceful outlets for the falling water. Symmachus’s fountain was one of the beauties of Rome in the days when the great Gothic King Theodoric ruled and loved the city. Three hundred years later it captivated the fancy of Charlemagne, crowned Emperor in St. Peter’s on Christmas Day, 800; and the fountain afterward erected before his great cathedral at Aix [now Aachen Cathedral] is ornamented with a huge pine-cone like the one which he and his Franks had seen in the exquisite fountain of St. Peter’s.

http://www.garden-fountains.us/fountains/st-peters-fountain/5/

It now resides in its narthex. If you go to its full resolution (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Aachen_-_Pine_cone.jpg) you should be able to see its water holes more clearly.


http://i53.tinypic.com/sbrmz9.png

Where else do we find ornamental pine cones today? For a start, in the beautiful but now-defunct gardens of Byzantium, at The Alcazar of Sevilla, as the Daphni mosaic shows:


http://blog-by-the-sea.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/03/21/1561_2.jpg


There's a magnificent fountain in the foreground of the mosaic—a very important element in gardens. The elaborate fountain in the Daphni mosaic comprises three basins: the first basin, which is square and in green stone, is surmounted by a quadrilobate basin in multi-coloured marble, crowned by a small vessel with a pinecone on top.

http://www.qantara-med.org/qantara4/public/show_document.php?do_id=546&lang=en

Moving away from fountains, pine cones appear to have an important influence in freemasonry.


In the town of La Orotava in the north of Tenerife in the Canary Islands there is a mysterious and very beautiful masonic garden containing the Mausoleum of the Marqués (Marquis) de la Quinta Roja, Diego de Ponte y Castillo.

...The gardens offer seven different levels and made me think of the Hanging Gardens of Babylon. As you walk up the pathways through the well-kept lawns and floral displays, winding your way upwards past rose beds and fountains, the focus of the entire place is the magnificent mausoleum that towers above everything and is made from gleaming white Lyon marble. It was built by the French architect Adolph Coquet in 1882.

Details carved into the marble show vines and what appears to be either a pinecone or a pineapple.


http://s3.hubimg.com/u/1154774_f260.jpg

...There is a strong Freemasonic presence on the island of Tenerife and the Marqués de la Quinta Roja was a member of the Taoro Masonic Lodge.

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-mysterious-masonic-gardens-of-La-Orotava

(to be concluded)

[str8thinker]

The Massachusetts State House sports one on top of its dome, though I'm not sure if Masonic influences were behind this.


http://i54.tinypic.com/5ed020.png

Not to be outdone, the ballroom of the Scranton Cultural Center in Pennsylvania, formerly a Masonic temple, has pine cones within the ornate beams of its ceiling grid.


http://wonderandthewoodenpost.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/wilco-ceiling1.jpg?w=500&h=375

Finally, we have the biggest of them all, 30 St. Mary Axe in London, wrongly nicknamed "The Gherkin" and designed by Sir Norman Foster, Baron Foster of Thames Bank, the same who designed the Astana Pyramid (see thread by Muzz (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17270)).


http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/07/wow_green/image/8swissre.jpg

It seems fitting that its tenant is the Swiss Reinsurance Company (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Re) ("Swiss Re"). Just as the pine cone signifies regeneration, so reinsurance perpetuates this concept. :)

[ROMANWKT]

HI Str8thinker
You said that it was some new age rubbish, so what is your point here, what is then the conclusion??????

[str8thinker]

ROMANWKT:
HI Str8thinker
You said that it was some new age rubbish, so what is your point here, what is then the conclusion??????

Hi Roman
My personal conclusion is that, as I said above, I have not seen any scientific evidence to convince me that the pineal gland is a "third eye" in the metaphysical sense. If you know of any scientific reports that electrical stimulation, let alone poking with sticks, awakens this type of ability, please post. Just because there have been reports of tibetan skulls with holes made in them does not prove to me that they knew what they were doing, or that it worked.

There is no mystery about trepanation. The ancient Egyptians, Greeks and Romans practiced it with beneficial results for alleviating head injuries. They may have believed it would help drive evil demons out of their patients, too.

Furthermore, just because the pineal gland looks a little like a pine cone does not justify saying that a pine cone symbolizes the so-called "third eye".

From http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1150869/pg1:



Tibetan Buddhist monks of high order long practiced trepanning--boring a hole in the skull at the point of the third eye. Lobsang Rampa--a now-controversial figure--described the process in his book, "The Third Eye."

I have a cordless drill and some wood boring drills. What speed and diameter should I use??

(answer)

You're own your own, pal. If you must, I'd start low and slow.

[ROMANWKT]

So what then are the fears of fluoride in the water and the calcification of the pineal gland, which is to stop people reaching higher vibratory states?????

[Maria Stade]

Thank you for a intrestinng thread !



So what then are the fears of fluoride in the water and the calcification of the pineal gland, which is to stop people reaching higher vibratory states?????


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSZQ3ixu7a4

[str8thinker]

You can also try meditating with the pinecone as a more organized approach to stimulating the pineal “dream center.” Here are some meditative tips:

* Find a pinecone and place it before you in preparation for your meditation
* Light a candle while setting your focus upon expanding your consciousness
* Cast your physical and spiritual eyes upon the pinecone and observe it in the candlelight
* Envision the pinecone opening itself to the Light and warmth of the candlelight
* As you continue this solemn, calm perception, begin to see that pinecone within your mind
* Nestled warmly, snuggly between the two halves of your brain, get a clear visual of that pinecone within your mind’s eye
* Now visualize your inner pinecone opening gently to take in nourishment from Divine light
* See your pineal gland (pinecone) radiating and stimulated from the calming light of the cosmos
* Continue to enhance this meditative experience according to your own impulses and requirements.
* When you’re ready, conclude your meditation by centering yourself back into your common reality – resurface & reaffirm your bodily presence.

The idea is to tap into the pinecone and transfer its visual/symbolic qualities to the pituitary gland with a goal to expand, illuminate and ascend.

I’ve had phenomenal results with this meditation. Namely, this exercise has catapulted me to insanely blissful and utterly unreal realms where I was transformed in truly ballistic ways.

Just work with the pinecone as an extension of your pineal “third eye” and see what happens. Let me know what kind of experiences you have!

Other topics that might hone your cones (ha ha):

http://www.symbolic-meanings.com/2009/12/18/the-pinecone-the-pineal-gland-and-an-illuminating-meditation/

Doesn't get much crazier than this. :)

[ROMANWKT]

And what of Chakras and the Kudalini, The knowledge known for thousands of years by these two mentioned, they lead to awakening what??????


I don't disagree with you on the information above.

[str8thinker]

Thanks Maria for the video link. I'm glad I'm not a gerbil.

So, fluoride causes calcification within the pineal and can have adverse effects elsewhere in the body. But where is any evidence that the pineal has any role in achieving so-called "higher vibratory states"?

I guess I shouldn't dare ask for anything other than anecdotal evidence that higher vibratory states exist...


And what of Chakras and the Kudalini, The knowledge known for thousands of years by these two mentioned, they lead to awakening what??????

We've all read about chakras and kundalini. I've never ever seen or felt one. In fact, the more one looks into this subject, the more disagreement one finds between those who profess to know all about chakras.



Ajna (Sanskrit, meaning 'command' or 'summoning') is the sixth primary chakra according to Hindu tradition.

Location
The Ajna chakra is positioned in the brain, directly behind the eyebrow centre, while its ksehtram or superficial activation site is at the eyebrow region, in the position of the 'third eye'. [Notice this does not say it is located in the pineal]


http://mantraaonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/chakras-300x300.jpg

Association with the body

Ajna is associated with the third eye on the forehead. It is sometimes associated with the pineal gland, and sometimes with the pituitary gland. The pineal gland is actually related to a real, light sensitive 'third eye' (Parietal eye) found in some lizards, amphibians and fish, and regulates the circadian rhythms, while the Pituitary Gland is considered as the master gland of all endocrine glands, whose secretions control all the other endocrine glands.

Practices
In kundalini yoga, different practices are said to stimulate the Ajna chakra, including Trataka (steady gazing), Shambhavi Mudra (gazing at the space between the eyebrows), and some forms of Pranayama (breath exercises).

Comparisons with other systems
In Tibetan buddhism, this chakra is at the end of the central channel, which in their system runs up the body to the top of the head, and then over and down to the forehead, where it terminates. The 2 side channels then continue onwards towards the 2 nostrils, and end there. This centre is frequently depicted in artwork as the 'third eye', and is used in various meditations.[4]

There is also a forehead centre above the third eye, which corresponds to the position of Manas, known as the Wind Wheel, which is one of the 10 chakras in the Mahayoga tantra traditions.

In Qigong, the highest Dantian is located in this position. This is one of 3 'furnaces' that converts the different sorts of energy in the body. In this Dantian, the spiritual shen energy is converted into wuji, the infinite space of void [5]

Within the system of Lataif-e-sitta there exists a Lataif known as Khafi, or arcane subtlety, in this same position, and is related to mystical intuition.

In the Kabbalah, there are 2 sephiroth located on the 6th level, associated with the left and right eye. They are called Chokmah, wisdom, and Binah, understanding, and it is at these points that the 2 side pillars of mercy and severity terminate, while the central pillar carries on rising to kether, the crown.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajna

[witchy1]

So what then are the fears of fluoride in the water and the calcification of the pineal gland, which is to stop people reaching higher vibratory states?????

Hmm, so why weren't the population before flouridation and crap food all enlightened.

Good thread Str8thinker. I can see people running off for searches on this............ including me. LOL

Maybe the pineal gland, like wisdom teeth and pubic hair ----- is totally unnecessary

[Tenzin]

I am still compelled to stand by the view that we have to consider a very real threat to mankind that whatever is the real truth, has been and will always be subject of disinformation, ridicule, and organized debunk based on a system of knowledge very much confined and shaped by the proponents of the NWO.

In order to keep people from really knowing the truth, the only way is to stop us from investigating for ourselves how the pineal gland helps in us perceiving this world in its truest form. Thus the ban on DMT as an illegal substance, and all those vaccination/fluoridation/etc. to hinder our own DMT production capabilities.

We should be encouraged to do our own research and investigation instead of holding a conclusion with just logic and 'science'.

[ROMANWKT]

Good question str8thinker. is the brain a transmitter receiver, if so, what is its capacity???????

[Tenzin]

Hmm, so why weren't the population before flouridation and crap food all enlightened.


Even without those treatments that hamper our DMT production, effort still has to be exerted to activate it. It takes time too. But with the society being shaped to pursue materialism, people's attention is kept far from spiritual discovery. Thus the agenda to destroy all religions.

[jorr lundstrom]

Very interesting thread in a wierd way. LOL Are there any hard cord evidence that

fluoride is beneficial for your body? Are there any hardcore evidence that wot quite

a lot of people experience as love is a reality? Are there any hardcore evidence that

there really is a place called Australia?

I think NWO and those guys love a thread like this as it reduces our human capacity

to percieve and say yes to wot we percieve, to nill. "Love" and Carrots.

[ROMANWKT]

OK conclusion, there is no state of being, there is no god, there is no holiness, there is nothing blessed, its just a state of mind, caught in a self induced state by ones own creation, in a mathematically based reality which has no escape even in death,caught in an never ending loop.the Matrix, digital AI, that has to be the only conclusion, which is mine, have had it for many years, there is only consciousness.

even people capable of OBE have never left the matrix, they roam within that mind that consciousness.

To much of a bombshell for some people.

[witchy1]

"This extraordinary observation forced us to recognize that there might exist a "death clock" in the pineal gland whose "program" cannot be modified unless the aging pineal is removed in due time and replaced with a younger pineal. We are thus in front of a completely new element for the evaluation of the causes of aging and of the significance of biological death. We can infer that the pineal gland, at least in our experimental models with rodents, is at the same time an "aging clock", a "life clock" and a "death clock", depending on its chronological stage from birth to death."

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/26399-the-pineal-gland-and-neuro-immunomodulation-of-aging-an-inborn-prog/

[str8thinker]

(witchy1) Maybe the pineal gland, like wisdom teeth and pubic hair ----- is totally unnecessary

I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The pineal gland plays a big role in regulation of circadian rhythm, via melatonin.

Hey, maybe there's another chakra in our wisdom teeth. When they take up too much fluoride, our astral plane can't get off the runway.

As for pubic and axillary hair, have you ever wondered why we and pigs happen to be born nearly hairless compared with other animals?

(Thinks: Must go out tomorrow and get myself a Berkey filter)


ROMANWKT: Is the brain a transmitter receiver, if so, what is its capacity???????


http://tvshack.bz/tv/watch/XHWD8MVS (http://tvshack.bz/tv/watch/XHWD8MVS)

[ktlight]

OK conclusion, there is no state of being, there is no god, there is no holiness, there is nothing blessed, its just a state of mind, caught in a self induced state by ones own creation, in a mathematically based reality which has no escape even in death,caught in an never ending loop.the Matrix, digital AI, that has to be the only conclusion, which is mine, have had it for many years, there is only consciousness.

even people capable of OBE have never left the matrix, they roam within that mind that consciousness.

To much of a bombshell for some people.

The deepest religion is the one that you get to when you realise that there is no religious god, eg. no god of the bible, the one that comes to you, which is a completely loving energy, from self connecting with consciousness that changes consciousness. It's like when you offer it all up and trust the outcome. So, there has to be a state of being, such that you are blessed. It's all in the mind and, as Shakespeare said, '... but a stage where each must play his/her part'. So, whatever, whoever, we think we are, we project! I don't know if I have made myself clear here, I hope you understand. I am sure there must be times when you embrace the planet and the universe and your existence?

[ROMANWKT]

OK conclusion, there is no state of being, there is no god, there is no holiness, there is nothing blessed, its just a state of mind, caught in a self induced state by ones own creation, in a mathematically based reality which has no escape even in death,caught in an never ending loop.the Matrix, digital AI, that has to be the only conclusion, which is mine, have had it for many years, there is only consciousness.

even people capable of OBE have never left the matrix, they roam within that mind that consciousness.

To much of a bombshell for some people.

The deepest religion is the one that you get to when you realise that there is no religious god, eg. no god of the bible, the one that comes to you, which is a completely loving energy, from self connecting with consciousness that changes consciousness. It's like when you offer it all up and trust the outcome. So, there has to be a state of being, such that you are blessed. It's all in the mind and, as Shakespeare said, '... but a stage where each must play his/her part'. So, whatever, whoever, we think we are, we project! I don't know if I have made myself clear here, I hope you understand. I am sure there must be times when you embrace the planet and the universe and your existence?

I absolutely agree with you, but embrace it from a different stance.

[witchy1]

I know Str8, there is something hugely relevant about that gland.

The antiquities do not refer to it so much because its useless........... there is something that we need to discover about it. It may well be the key to enlightenment. It may also be the key to aging and death. Not nearly enough research has been done on it. Who is to say that it is the pineal gland that converts to the 3rd eye. It might even be the pituitary gland?

People live perfectly happy lives without it so it is not necessary for the maintance of life. (I bet they have weird sleep patterns tho) i have a suspicion that this might be the master gland that controls all hormonal funcitons in the body. Have no back up on this, just a hunch.

No - I have never thought about the fact that we are born only with head hair. What are your thoughts on this. (a abit off topic I know) Perhpas we come into "being" at adolescence, or alternatively we loose our innocence at puberty and become what we always were. I dunno - just putting it out there.

[ROMANWKT]

(witchy1) Maybe the pineal gland, like wisdom teeth and pubic hair ----- is totally unnecessary

I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The pineal gland plays a big role in regulation of circadian rhythm, via melatonin.

Hey, maybe there's another chakra in our wisdom teeth. When they take up too much fluoride, our astral plane can't get off the runway.

As for pubic and axillary hair, have you ever wondered why we and pigs happen to be born nearly hairless compared with other animals?

(Thinks: Must go out tomorrow and get myself a Berkey filter)


ROMANWKT: Is the brain a transmitter receiver, if so, what is its capacity???????


http://tvshack.bz/tv/watch/XHWD8MVS (http://tvshack.bz/tv/watch/XHWD8MVS)

Ha HA str8thinker I like it.

[Maria Stade]

Kundalini is energy It is the earths energy !

Many have experieced it and it is often life changing.

Here is Icke talking about his experience !

The longest half meter is the one betven the heart and mind !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH5E1BLOB-w


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VxKcrj04qo&feature=related


Kundalini has been described by many and it can not be understod until it hapens to self.

Many teaching talks about the pinal gland as important for developing different scills and it seems to be more about the 3 rd eye!

[Gardener]

I have noticed that pine cones are covered in small pyramids which fit tightly together when cold and damp, but in a dry atmostphere in the sun they open and release the seeds. Just an observation.

[RedeZra]

the pineal is an important gland as it produces melatonin which it slips into the bloodstream

too much fluoride and alchol will dry up and calcify the crystal clear liquid within the pineal gland resulting in an impaired immune system and possible insomnia

also it is a water mirror into things not yet seen or foreseen unless of course it is reduced to dust



the pine atop the staff is at least an ancient greek symbol for fertility

it denotes Dionysus (Bacchus) and his cult of followers the male Satyrs and the female Maenads lusting and drinking long into the night

the old version of sex drugs and rock n roll

[9eagle9]

. Any number of pine family botanicals serve to break down the emotional and mental conditioning that serves to keep us from accessing and/or trusting our intuitive information. But don't take my word for it. Slather some fir or spruce oil over some strategic places on your body and see what happens after a few days. That's why the druids (whom I trust more than say ...the pope) held many evergreen type trees in such reverence.

That's more like it. Light reception is not the same as remote viewing.

Nope, it's not. Light reception is responsible for lots of physiological process. Even the trees (pine trees ;) ) know this. Remote viewing is a learned mental ability.

[conk]

"like wisdom teeth and pubic hair ----- is totally unnecessary " said Witchy1.

These are not un-necessary. Wisdom teeth need pulling only in Western society that eats sugar and refined grains. The teeth are pizo-electric devices and conduct energy. They are ALL necessary. Pubic hair acts to reduce friction between male and female genitals. There is nothing about the human body that is un-necessary or redundant. Even the old appendix has a purpose.

[Carmody]

This is 'science' and 'proof', taken in whole from page 6 of the 'science is a religion' thread.





As Max Planck said, 'science advances, funeral by funeral'.


I think Max meant that science advances with each new generation of scientists ; )



Science is a work in progress pushing the boundaries of understanding and perhaps in time it will shake hands with Spirit

Max literally meant that the old paradigm and old understandings were not released to the trash or dustbin as they desperately needed to be...until the old men of the earlier years released their hold and unending grip on the world of science and physics by actually being dropped into their graves. He meant that old men who refused to understand the new and the different were the culprits that were damaging and holding back the advancement of mankind. Yes, this is exactly what he meant and he explained it that way.

http://partialobjects.com/2011/04/is-science-just-a-matter-of-faith/

Is Science Just a Matter of Faith?


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Quantum mechanical quotes
By jao

From the revamped This Quantum World site, an all but sobering quotes collection:

* Quantum mechanics is magic. Daniel Greenberger.
* Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real. Niels Bohr.
* Those who are not shocked when they first come across quantum theory cannot possibly have understood it. Niels Bohr.
* If you are not completely confused by quantum mechanics, you do not understand it. John Wheeler.
* It is safe to say that nobody understands quantum mechanics. Richard Feynman.
* If [quantum theory] is correct, it signifies the end of physics as a science. Albert Einstein.
* I do not like [quantum mechanics], and I am sorry I ever had anything to do with it. Erwin Schrödinger.
* Quantum mechanics makes absolutely no sense. Roger Penrose.

http://phys.wordpress.com/2006/06/09/quantum-mechanical-quotes/

We speak on the idea that every person born has within them all the information required to understand the truth of what is in the world.

However we also need to understand that the capacity to fool the self via the body's desires and basest drives (that form our physical pathway in the mind for ...and they drive/form/shape the thought process--it is absolutely critical to understand this point!!!) is also a powerful rope to hang one's logic by the neck until dead....that particular mechanism lies within us individually as well..as the body is the doorway by which we see into this space and interact with it..and thus the seed of our own destruction of truths is part of the self in every aspect.

To clarify, the murmuring in the mind that become consciously worded thoughts, those component arise unconsciously out of their emotional and baser origins and channels of the mind. this means that no thought can form.... that is untainted or unshaped by the base drive system. The body, emotions and basest drives... forms the basis of your logical components and thought patterns, etc. Seriously. No joke. Your ass literally owns your mind, until you being to address this internal point through internal self discovery.

This eventually becomes, through understanding...that the coin of truth or self-lies is complete and in our given hands --at any given moment. Scientists and physicists can get lost in the dogma of the unrealization of these points as assuredly as anyone else. Their problem is they have obscured those base points with reams of paperwork and formulas to the point that most of them cannot see this singular and prime basic fundamental any more.

This 'basic/prime/only' which should have been squarely in their sights for every minute of every day. Otherwise, they would go off course into dogmatic fields of illusion--- and never know it. Kinda like what science has done on many fronts today....

One aspect is that the clarity of the moment of now or... 'self' honesty and clear vision can save one from the foibles of fate and the self's interference. Ie, the point of being here in the first place. Which is becoming more and more clear to more people each day. Thankfully.

What has gone on is that the complexity of science has been used to control mankind. Again. As religion. As another face of religion. I do believe that religion has done much for man at the same time it has been a powerful curse. Same for science, in many cases.

it also seems that the kind of person who, in the old days, would have been the most rabid of the religiously converted (one of those clerically oriented nightmare machines) and capable of quoting the intricacies of religious law/text/lore and deep into the system of such things as they existed in earlier years..that personality has transferred it's incapacity to look into the soul of man..into the world of science and physics. No difference.

For that component of man exists in the same ratios as it ever has (population percentage wise)...and those people had to go SOMEWHERE for their personality quirks and considerations (involvements and connections, etc) to connect and be part of the mass of mankind. It didn't just shift out of existence, no. Those religious frothing nut-bars had to go somewhere.

Well, some of them went into science and brought their dogmatic insanity with them. It's not like science can suddenly be populated with specific psychologically wired and balanced beings who did not exist at all.....in the prior flow of man. Think about it. Which is why science is chock full of some incredibly dangerous aspects of dogmatism.

The big problem is that those who wish to keep mankind under control make sure that engineering is conflated with scientific theory.

Very few people understand that in the true world of science and physics..that 'all is theory' and that there are no facts, save one.

And that one fact is: There are no facts. nothing has ever been 'proven'. This is due to everything falling back on earlier suppositions and theories of the baser components of those 'facts' that some like to tout about. When you get to the bottom most layers you find total unreality with regard to what we think we know.


All we know is based upon ephemeral things we cannot fully explain, and that all is theory which is generally workable in most cases, and nothing more. Period. Nothing more.

Anything else is the wishful thinking and fears, the dogmatism in mankind that desires the safety of mother, comfort, and knowing. Comforts for the self. that's it. seriously. Most scientists do not seriously understand, like the vast majority of humans... that their very system of existence, the spiritual doorway of the body is fooling them into taking comfort of the body over the truth of not knowing. It obscures from this thing they were told in their first years of schooling in physics and science... the fact and point of "all" (meaning quantum and atomic, temporal, gravitational, and dimensional basics) being based on things we cannot prove and do not know. That "all" is supposition and unprovable on the basest level.

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How bad is it?

Yesterday, literally.. I had a conversation with a man who was working on the basest components of superconductivity research. right at the beginning. A physicist. I was in store and it was full of books. I grabbed a specific book off the shelves when I saw it....as I walked toward him.

It was a book on Buddhism and the teaching of a particular gentleman from India. I showed him the book and he called it satanism and demon-spawn. The work of the devil.

I kid you not.

This sort of thing is commonplace, and also, as a base emotional structure... be virulently sputtered from the mouths of some scientists and physicists in the form of extreme militant and near violent sociopathic atheism. Besides all the uninformed engineers that protect their emotional base (unknowingly) by doing the exact same. Doomed to think the universe is explained so they can unknowingly go on at their base psychological level....comfortably sucking on their mother's teat. Their fears exist and dominate, unknown and unrealized ...in the depths of the self---just like everyone else.

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My point here is that 'prrof' and then 'advancment' of man kind via 'scientific method' is valid. Unless it encompasses the idea of proof before something is fully worked out. so the idea of proofs that yuou look for, is simply not going to 'be' until it is a done deal. Textbooks exist to cover what has been decided upon as being real, by a bunch of emotional and befuddled humans, it has nothing to do with reality. That's the way it ahs always been.

The majority of what we like to call science is like placing a car backward on the road driving a car backward by looking in the rear view mirror..and never looking in the mirror for more than 10% of the time.

The arrow of science, like that of life ...will be ..and is ....in constant need of continual correction. Micro or macro.

The bigger the problem with regard to impossibility to solve..the bigger and more fundamental the mistake in the creation of the question.

We are talking about universal questions and universal answers.

Which cannot be compartmentalized, as the "German school of thought" has so thoughtfully created for us in this idea of "science a rote learning methodology"... which is dogmatism and religion, not science.

Use the forum search system to look up 'German school of thought' and you will find my thoughts and understandings on the matter. Basically, the situation was designed to rip the Renaissance intellects out of the system and create rubber stamp people. This in effect, kept the greatest scientific discoveries out of the hands of mankind, in general.

[9eagle9]

All teeth have some pretty powerful meridian points, the wisdom teeth may very well be called that for a reason. The etimology of words are fascinating, and old ancient medicine 'speaks' for itself. I've never had mine removed and coincidentally have stayed pretty well away from the whole wheat-sugar toxicity. My wisdom teeth never bothered me anyway.

The whole mouth has some unusual properties. If not for the awkward structure of working in it, it qualifies for a reflexology zone all on its own. The roof of the mouth at the hard and soft palate is a meridian point for doing inner child (spirit cleansing) work.I May be why some children suck their thumb till it turns into a hard to break habit. It stimulates that point. I've always wanted to do a study on the correlation between emotionally troubled homes and thumb sucking children. I've had lots of parents ask me what to do about their kids teeth grinding and thumb sucking and don't much like it when I suggest its nearly always been a symptom of the negative emotional chaos in the household.

[9eagle9]

* Quantum mechanics is magic. Daniel Greenberger.


Tis and Tisn't Daniel Greenberger. Even magick isn't magick. Not the way the common masses have been told magick is anyway and I include the 'experts' on magick in those numbers as well. Having rubbed elbows with some of the most revered commercial witches in the world, I sadly had to walk away from my former heroes and think, "Nice folks, blinded by the same **** science and everyone else is though."

A schism. Fragmentations.

From another thread concerning what our ancient forebears knew ...they knew DNA, they didn't have to understand it precisely but they knew it and could manipulate it. Its a language of alchemical reactions. So is magick.

Same with Quantum physics. Our forebears knew it very well. Ask the forebears why gold was so very precious they desperately tried to create it through al-chemistry. To them it was like drying up all the water on the planet that's how much bearing gold had in terms of quantum physics. And mankind.

Like the Church separated from the alchemists and branded them with heresy fragmenting the unity of how consciousness, spirit, and chemistry once a working whole creation matrix that composed our ancient Magick' the new age separates itself from science and science crosses to the other side of the road when it sees new thought coming by. If the two were ever to be brought back together again....Well you'd end up like Tesla.

Take the alchemical, the chemical, the consciousness, the thought, remember that spell casting is less invocation than a recipe and you put it all back together where it belongs with its support structure Tarot and Astrology we will find that magick is less mystical and more a whole and complete and dependable process-until it was all fragmented and scattered in the mainstream with everyone taking a bit of it to hoard as a separate schism.

The periodic table is roughly reduced down to fire, water, air, earth...and spirit. A pentacle represents this.. There are 2/3's composition of the universe that is not represented in the periodic table. Dark energy or matter. Scientists claim they don't know what it is, yet claim that science can account for everything. That's a hell of chuck of unknown to be tossing about but claiming to know everything. This very property is allegedly responsible for the expansion (co creation) of the universe. Our consciousness is always expanding too. Odd coincidence. But if this dark matter is creating the universe its obviously a part of the creation matrix like whats contained the periodic table.

So are schism here it going to trip us up. Science doens't know and new thought won't even look at the **** because it says "dark" in it.

Science hasn't so much attempted to understand creation as to alter its very nature. A very old druidic saying about Nature (etymology emphasized here)goes a little like.....

"They created and multiplied in swift manner simply because it was in their nature to do so, and we learned long ago not to tamper with one’s true nature. Simply put, they did not have a meddlesome religion or dogma running their existence".

IN THEIR NATURE. Look at that phrase from a couple of different angles and tell me what you come up with.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17770-What-would-people-say-if-humans-begin-to-have-3-strands-of-DNA&p=193444#post193444

[witchy1]

[QUOTE]"like wisdom teeth and pubic hair ----- is totally unnecessary " said Witchy1.

These are not un-necessary. Wisdom teeth need pulling only in Western society that eats sugar and refined grains. The teeth are pizo-electric devices and conduct energy. They are ALL necessary. Pubic hair acts to reduce friction between male and female genitals. There is nothing about the human body that is un-necessary or redundant. Even the old appendix has a purpose./QUOTE]

Hiya Conk - I did preface that statement with a "Maybe". Wisdom teeth also need pulling when there is no room in your mouth for them, or the roots of them grow too long. (my case) I hadnt heard the possibility of pubic hair reducing friction. (and without a vision you probably dont need, there is no difference in friction following a brazilian- maybe Im doing it wrong?)

How does this then relate to underarm hair and chest hair? Specially chest hair that only men have. If it was really needed wouldnt women have this as well, likewise facial hair? (Just playing the devils advocate.)

My point was only that these things including the pineal gland are not necessary for sustaining life. You can live a full and happy without them - just like the spleen and appendix. I agree ideally internal organs should probably stay where they are if at all possible.

[9eagle9]

Pubic, chest and arm pit help to hold pheromones --attractive scents. There's glands of that nature concentrated near where the most concentration of where that sort of hair grows. I'm not sure they are unneccessary or not. Chemicals have a lot to do in attraction regardless if we can smell them or not. Initially anyway...till one opens their mouth and ruins it all...lol.

Conversely for the those who are shy in personal hygiene the same hair will hold bacteria (he he ) which result in non attractive scents.

[witchy1]

Yew eagle - LOL

[nearing]

Any 'seed' or nut could have represented the 'regeneration' that the church is said above to revere. Many that are much easier to sculpt or draw too.
Sorry, not buying that one.

And teeth are all aligned to the meridian zones of the body (ancient eastern medical fact).

Oh, and about those Chakras and Kundalini...I can't see or touch my mind either, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

or does it?:suspicious:

[str8thinker]

Thank you all. I'm amazed at just how much extra and useful information has been added to this thread.

I believe it will take a quantum leap to devise experiments to test such theories as whether the pineal gland really does have as much of a role as the ancients thought it did. I'm willing to bet the PTB have known the answers for a long time. This type of research is a bit like SETI. Officially we're still endeavouring to determine whether there is intelligent life out there. We still believe that the pineal gland is solely concerned with circadian rhythm and other things we can prove.

Scientists who make headway here will be those who treat everything they can't verify as mere hypothesis. This does not mean that they swallow the ancient wisdom wholesale, nor does it mean that they pooh-pooh it as being a crackpot theory. It means that, just like working in sterile rooms, they take care not to muddy the waters by admitting any theory at all that has not been independently confirmed, no matter how enticing it may seem. The slate they must write on is not blank but already covered in scribble.

Harking back to my earlier remarks about how long it took until William Harvey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Harvey) discovered the true way blood circulates through the body, remember that until his book De Motu Cordis was published in 1628, the prevailing wisdom from Galen was handed down through the ages by Arab scholars and we had to wait 1500 years for the truth to be revealed by experiment, yet it seems so obvious to us today.

As far as pubic and axillary hair being useless, I agree they aren't, and serve purposes of reducing friction by their roller action and scent via apocrine glands which occur nowhere else on the body. My question to you though is, why are we covered with so little fur (hair)? We don't have to resemble Chewbacca or Bigfoot. What purpose does long hair on our heads serve? If to prevent sun damage, why not have more on our bodies instead of relying on pigment?

Two answers here, the first obvious, the second less so. First, being nearly naked makes it easier to lose heat by sweating, enabling us to catch up eventually with faster prey such as deer who need to stop to cool off, even with short fur. Second, if we did not come down from the trees as anthropologists claim, but at some stage of our evolution spent most of our life in water, that would go a long way towards explaining our present covering, or lack of it.

[modwiz]

Pubic, chest and arm pit help to hold pheromones --attractive scents. There's glands of that nature concentrated near where the most concentration of where that sort of hair grows. I'm not sure they are unneccessary or not. Chemicals have a lot to do in attraction regardless if we can smell them or not. Initially anyway...till one opens their mouth and ruins it all...lol.

Conversely for the those who are shy in personal hygiene the same hair will hold bacteria (he he ) which result in non attractive scents.

Thank you for your mature and factual post. When one gets a whiff of the right scent your mind lights on fire and all kinds of chemical and physical responses result.

The hippy days were full of that good stuff. That's why there was so much boffing going on. We were responding.

Great times.

[Jayke]

. Any number of pine family botanicals serve to break down the emotional and mental conditioning that serves to keep us from accessing and/or trusting our intuitive information. But don't take my word for it. Slather some fir or spruce oil over some strategic places on your body and see what happens after a few days. That's why the druids (whom I trust more than say ...the pope) held many evergreen type trees in such reverence.

I never knew there were botanicals made from pine cones but it does explains a lot as to why the pine cone would be so revered and have the status it does among the religious elite.

Anyone familiar with Don Tolmans research on the eating habits of the ancients understands that the babylonians, along with the egyptians, greeks, romans and other ancient cultures posessed a wisdom called 'doctrine of signatures' (signs of nature).

which basically shows us how foods in nature mirror different aspects of the human body, 'as above, so below', a holographic universe. For example they noticed that the end of a carrot sliced in half looked like the human eye, modern research has shown that eating carrots everyday for a few weeks increases the blood flow to the eyes up to 25%.


http://www.houseofzathras.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/sliced_carrots.jpg

Tomatoes were believed to be good for the heart as they're soft, red, squishy and when sliced open contain 4 chambers much like the human heart does. Walnuts look exactly like a human brain complete with left and right hemisphere, corpus calossum, veins and even different regions of the brain and science has shown that with eating just one walnut, the human body uses the flesh of the walnut to create new tissue and neurons in our own brains.

So it's not the greatest leap to imagine that the pine cone was revered exactly because of it's similarities to the pineal gland, especially if botanicals made from them had some kind of spiritual effect.


http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/252145/252145,1264068284,13/stock-photo-walnut-good-brain-health-44954071.jpg

[9eagle9]

But pine cones are only found on evergreen trees and evergreens are and always have been symbolic of life everlasting. And other mystical things. So not any seed would have that obvious symbology. This is thousands of years of meaning attached to it not just what the Catholic Church concoted. There's nothing original in Christianity.

Another example of life everlasting, evergreens and symbology is....Christmas. Lots of evergreens, pine trees, and pine cones all over the place. Pagan custom not Christian. The Catholic Church assumed the symbology and meanings from earlier pagan traditions.



Any 'seed' or nut could have represented the 'regeneration' that the church is said above to revere. Many that are much easier to sculpt or draw too.
Sorry, not buying that one.

And teeth are all aligned to the meridian zones of the body (ancient eastern medical fact).

Oh, and about those Chakras and Kundalini...I can't see or touch my mind either, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

or does it?:suspicious:

[9eagle9]

Broaden your horizons. A calcified pineal gland vs one that isn't?

Part speculation and part...uhm....something else here.

Something organic that was calcified would begin to assume 'scales' like the scale we get on our arteries and teeth. Pine cones look rather scaly.

What sort of pineal glands were folks looking at? Ones that were not calcified or ones that were?

Why aren't there more photos on the internet of the actual pineal gland. Everything else is out there, black lungs and fatty livers and and stone laden gall bladders.

Those are things to think about.

If you peck a little deeper into the subject there are some papers out there by researchers who state the pineal gland looks like a tiny lidless eye, and is composed of rods and cones like a normal eye. This may be where we got the mythos of the Cyclops people. One eyed pineal people.

Witchy posted a thread on the Philosophers stone. I skimmed it last night but it has references to other things I have read, and it does speak of how our ancient people who were in the know about things spoke in code and had many names for one thing to keep it secret from those who would prefer you not have that knowledge. They created a symboloic language around things to keep matters safe.

If the NWO is using occult manipulations its the same occult knowledge intact that we've always had. What the mainstream is left with is bits and fragmentation but the only thing that stops us from reuniting these schisms is ourselves.




Tibetan Buddhist monks of high order long practiced trepanning--boring a hole in the skull at the point of the third eye. Lobsang Rampa--a now-controversial figure--described the process in his book, "The Third Eye."

I have a cordless drill and some wood boring drills. What speed and diameter should I use??

(answer)

You're own your own, pal. If you must, I'd start low and slow.[/QUOTE]

[noxon medem]

Some time(s) a pinecone ,
is just a Pine cone ..

Anyway a great symbol, object
and methaphore of life ....

(notice how the seeds are arranged,
and protected)

And the fractals .

In the eternal green ,....

:)

[Maria Stade]

the pineal is an important gland as it produces melatonin which it slips into the bloodstream



Very important !

http://www.alternative-cancer-care.com/Melatonin_Cancer.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6ZOadpNZmk

I urge all to google on melatonin !

Are you sick, over 35 of age, in pain often, having to little light in the winter ???

Truble sleeping ?? You cant heal if you cant sleep you might be in such inbalance that its taking down the life quality !

3 weeks of melatonin intake can change all, it did for me !

Take good care of your self !

[Arpheus]

Hmmmmm i am wondering has anyone tried to make tea out of dried pine cones?I wonder if will do any good to the pineal gland or activate something in there thats in a dormant state,in Brazil we have these trees that after 25 30 years of age or so they have these huge balls that gorw out of a pine cone like like seed,you can take them down brake em up and boil the fruit in hot water,pretty much like a chestnut,but they have a much less sweet taste and they are smaller then chestnuts,they are also shaped like a oblong cone every single fruit,we call it PINHAO,tastes pretty good also,i have never seen it here in the usa since i moved here 12 years ago.

[Orion.V]

Judging from my own personal experience in astral projections i can tell you that before the projection occurs, in my very relaxed state i see bright lights that are so strong like a flash of a camera. When the experience starts i feel tension in my forehead that is concentrated at the location of the 3rd eye.

When the experience ends and i am awake i feel pressure and heat on my forehead at the same location meaning that " something " was operating in this area, an energetic vibration if you like.
So the feel of energy, the light , the vivid images and flashes and the astral experience are connected to this small spot and to the pineal gland to my assumption.

Many of you probably felt it and for the rest who didn't i can recommend to do your own experimentation and see for yourself.

[9eagle9]

Not to sound like a nagging old harridan but symbology is the key to unlocking the knowledge that has been withheld from us. It serves us to take that power back instead of just allowing it to be used against us by the PTB.

[9eagle9]

I haven't personally attempted to ingest pinecones...probably nasty tasting. I do use what the cones represent, the essence in the trees. I'd suggest cedar tea or using spruce oil. I have a blend of spruce, pine, and cedar thats really nice. Cedar of varying types have tiny pine cone looking buds on them.l Nothing mystical just a little time invested and little chemistry. Arbor Vitae (a family of cedar) is interestingly translated into Tree of Life. All evergreens have essentially the same properties for the intents you are looking for. Pinenes, Limonenes. Spruce is somewhat more abundant and easier to use. The Lakota Indians also used evergreens,particularly Spruce, to connect with spirit . Interesting that they knew about what pine cones and such represented and what they were for way before they ever heard of the Vatican.


Hmmmmm i am wondering has anyone tried to make tea out of dried pine cones?I wonder if will do any good to the pineal gland or activate something in there thats in a dormant state,in Brazil we have these trees that after 25 30 years of age or so they have these huge balls that gorw out of a pine cone like like seed,you can take them down brake em up and boil the fruit in hot water,pretty much like a chestnut,but they have a much less sweet taste and they are smaller then chestnuts,they are also shaped like a oblong cone every single fruit,we call it PINHAO,tastes pretty good also,i have never seen it here in the usa since i moved here 12 years ago.

[58andfixed]

I never knew there were botanicals made from pine cones but it does explains a lot as to why the pine cone would be so revered and have the status it does among the religious elite.





Hi Jayke:

There seems to be quite the history for the pine cone.

Court of the Pigna (Pine Cone) - Vatican.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2051/1690437932_6a2500b987_m.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/egold/1690437932/


"The colossal bronze pine cone was cast in the 1st or 2nd century by Publius Cincius Salvius who left his name on the base."

"At one time it was situated in the Campus Martius, in the area that is still called "Pigna", where it served as a fountain, water gushing from holes in the scales of the cone."

"Possibly toward the end of the 8th century it was moved to the entrance hall of the medieval St. Peter's, in the center of the fountain covered by and ornate baldachin, identified in Renaissance drawings."

"Finally, in 1608, during the construction of the present basilica, it was dismantled and placed where it is today."

Notice that the pine cone is 'closed' and still have the seeds, which have yet not been loosed to root and create the next generation.

There may be a tie to the pineal gland and 'the opening' of that gland.

More thoughts & clues that trickle down from our hidden history.

- 58

[charlesfrith]

The only reason the Pine cone at Pigna court in the Vatican could have water coming out as a fountain is to celebrate it's life. If anyone has any doubt about the pineal glands abilities. Smoke a little DMT and see if there's any doubt left when one comes back. Also watching DMT - The Spirit Molecule should add some important science details :)

[from_Brzil]

pls delete... (sorry guys..)

[from_Brzil]

Hmmmmm i am wondering has anyone tried to make tea out of dried pine cones?I wonder if will do any good to the pineal gland or activate something in there thats in a dormant state,in Brazil we have these trees that after 25 30 years of age or so they have these huge balls that gorw out of a pine cone like like seed,you can take them down brake em up and boil the fruit in hot water,pretty much like a chestnut,but they have a much less sweet taste and they are smaller then chestnuts,they are also shaped like a oblong cone every single fruit,we call it PINHAO,tastes pretty good also,i have never seen it here in the usa since i moved here 12 years ago.

Timing .... I've been thinking a lot about Pinhao (the seeds) this week... I even had a strange experience with a friend.. talking about them...

My neighbor gave me a Bag, full of them... I'd never had them before... they're pretty good.. I'm having a good time eating them this week.. ;-) .. rsss

[nomadguy]

did you know that pine cones, real ones... emit charge from their shape alone?
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_ciencia/cienci207.jpg
a good set of vids on this subject

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DStMMnAKsKA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TMXxh9USYk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6uwFlzJGbI&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6RK9fUfn7E&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sIUiEF4Z1A&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmipvUmxM-c&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ODT0IM3jLA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)
and a huge page of information that backs this theory
http://fractalfield.com