you are not sick, you are poisoned ....

[samvado]

While on Gomera I met Uwe Karstädt, a well known German author and health practicioner. His books are so effective, they made it on to the index of forbidden books (which officially doesnt even exist) - try to find them on amazon - you wont. but they sell in the multi-millions.

Uwe has written on different subjects, only his medical books are not available in Germany, you have to order them from England.

We had extremly interesting discussions (especially as we both share an interest for Osho) - for the sake of brevity I will focus on his health related findings.

read about it here (http://www.entgiften-statt-vergiften.com/cms/index.php?id=2&L=0)

The stuff is not cheap but the underlying principle seems sound to me. I have ordered 2 bottles which should last me about 3 month - if anybody finds this interesting I will report here.

btw: when we first met Uwe recognized me, but i didnt recognize him, because he had already ordered my own product, Ormus, since about half a year .... synchronicities i love!

[lightblue]

may i know about your ormus product...what's the composition? what does it do? thanks l

[Dragonfly]

Very interesting Sam, tks for the info! It'd be appreciated to get your experiences with this stuff!

[samvado]

Very interesting Sam, tks for the info! It'd be appreciated to get your experiences with this stuff!

OK, I will update this thread accordingly, of course it will take a while ... best subscribe to it.
I use his detox since a week now, I already feel some of the suggested effects, as well as color change in my piss, also as suggested.
however, as the word suggest suggests it may be suggestion .. :-)

[samvado]

may i know about your ormus product...what's the composition? what does it do? thanks l

I'd rather not expand on it here at this time because I do sell it - and I can just see the Jim Humble believers falling all over me.
It basically does what Humble promises - but based on a totaly different modus operandi. its not a poison, it provides a hyperdimensional gateway within your cellular substructure (called microtubuli).

read not all but a lot about it here (http://www.subtleenergies.com/ORMUS/presentations/present.htm)

[lightblue]

hyperdimensional gateway within your cellular substructure (called microtubuli)


i undestand...could you then expand just on that principle? thanks l :secret:

post update

sorry, there was an overlap..i now see you updated with the linkk...

[samvado]

i undestand...could you then expand just on that principle? thanks l :secret:

read all about it here (http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/consciou.htm)

[HORIZONS]

You are right about being poisoned and not sick: I started a "hard core" cleanse to detox my bowels and body on Friday AM. but by supper time I was very sick with a high fever and sever pain in every joint of my body and around my heart/chest area. This came on so fast - I was amazed. It was just like I had been poisoned, and for a bit I was a little worried. I had to back off the cleanse and will start back again slowly. We may think we are healthy, but I think the reality is very different. It made me think about the food/health/enviomemt matrix we live in today and how we must do all we can to be truly healthy. I am interested in ANY product that can help to balance the effects of the world we find ourselves living in today.

[HORIZONS]

Sam, can you expand on how the ormus effects and helps you as an individual?

[samvado]

You are right about being poisoned and not sick: I started a "hard core" cleanse to detox my bowels and body on Friday AM. but by supper time I was very sick with a high fever and sever pain in every joint of my body and around my heart/chest area. This came on so fast - I was amazed. It was just like I had been poisoned, and for a bit I was a little worried. I had to back off the cleanse and will start back again slowly. We may think we are healthy, but I think the reality is very different. It made me think about the food/health/enviomemt matrix we live in today and how we must do all we can to be truly healthy. I am interested in ANY product that can help to balance the effects of the world we find ourselves living in today.

you should really read Uwe's book. its all in there, your symptoms, where they come from, the whole story.
I am no expert, I am a beginner like you in this field. I dont even know if it was translated but i would think so - check the link I gave above.

[samvado]

Sam, can you expand on how the ormus effects and helps you as an individual?

I probably could but wouldnt - as explained above.
there are tons of articles on ormus on the web and +5 yahoo groups dealing with all aspects of it.
its really more like alchemy than science in the end . or actually where both meet.

[lightblue]

i wanna link into associations of the different subatomic particles originating from and returning to higher dimensions....put me down for that :yes4:

have you taken it sam? any adverse side effects?

horizons, there's a link sam gave a bit further up...just read it and will go back to it...

bw l

[samvado]

No more Ormus questions on this thread please. This is about getting rid of heavy metals and other poisons. I have neglected that part and Omrus didnt always work as expected due to that oversight.
so lets just get this cleaned out here for now :-)

[lightblue]

so lets just get this cleaned out here for now :-)

clean out heavy metals? zeolite does it, so i hear...

[samvado]

clean out heavy metals? zeolite does it, so i hear...


I have tried heavy doses of zeolites in 2004 (Dr. peter rohsmann who's research I documented at the time was the first german importer of it)
we got all kinds of promises from the guy who patented it - but nothing of any substance ever materialzed, e.g. I didnt feel any better after ingesting $ 2000 worth of the stuff ...

as you can see we were eating it by the tablespoon full

http://m31.de/img/zeolite.jpg

[samvado]

coincidence or synchronicity? check the msg on detox from morse101 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1709-Electromagnetic-Intolerance&p=16139#post16139)

[lightblue]

I have tried heavy doses of zeolites in 2004 (Dr. peter rohsmann who's research I documented at the time was the first german importer of it)
we got all kinds of promises from the guy who patented it - but nothing of any substance ever materialzed, e.g. I didnt feel any better after ingesting $ 2000 worth of the stuff ..

you say you didn't feel better, but did it not do anything based on the blood etc test results? did you test yourself before and after the zeolite taking?

maybe you ingested too large a dose? :blink:

thanks l

[HORIZONS]

While on Gomera I met Uwe Karstädt, a well known German author and health practicioner. His books are so effective, they made it on to the index of forbidden books (which officially doesnt even exist) - try to find them on amazon - you wont. but they sell in the multi-millions.

Uwe has written on different subjects, only his medical books are not available in Germany, you have to order them from England.

We had extremly interesting discussions (especially as we both share an interest for Osho) - for the sake of brevity I will focus on his health related findings.

read about it here (http://www.entgiften-statt-vergiften.com/cms/index.php?id=2&L=0)

The stuff is not cheap but the underlying principle seems sound to me. I have ordered 2 bottles which should last me about 3 month - if anybody finds this interesting I will report here.

btw: when we first met Uwe recognized me, but i didnt recognize him, because he had already ordered my own product, Ormus, since about half a year .... synchronicities i love!

Sam, thanks for the link - makes sense. I have some Klamath and Spirulina Blue-Green Algae that I have just started to use. The thing that really effected me was the Intestinal Drawing Formula - all of which can be found at http://healthforce.com/shop I'll keep an eye out for his book.

[lightblue]

as you can see we were eating it by the tablespoon full



http://m31.de/img/zeolite.jpg

it's what first crossed my mind... an overdose :blink: ... what an error of judgement i'd say....

stuffing your gobs with $2000 worth of zeolite powder like that...

honestly...

p.s. did you go through the stack of boxes in one go... the stack that lay in front of you?

[lightblue]

did your companion feel any better? :blink:

thanks l



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sorry i continued...only just realised sam got misted..

[Connecting with Sauce]

mini beets protocol detoxes heavy metals AND fluorides...

http://robertvon.com/mbp.html

This interview covered a lot of info...

http://www.oneradionetwork.com/health_-_podcasts/diet_and_nutrition/robert_von_sarbacher_-_live_alchemy_-_mini_beet_protocol__mbp_-_03.29.10_201003291632/

[HORIZONS]

did your companion feel any better? :blink:

thanks l



{post update}

sorry i continued...only just realised sam got misted..


I was just wondering, what exactly is "in the mists"?

[bluestflame]

heard iodine "resolves" flouride calcification somewhat ... google ... iodine+pineal

[Ross]

I was just wondering, what exactly is "in the mists"?

'In the mists' is where members go to reflect, in this case, Sams communication style, He has been PM'ed by mods over the past weeks to be more tactful when replying to posts. He has continued to post in a style that is not in the spirit of AV2. He is on 'read only' for 3 days to give him time to reflect on his communication style.

This is an invite only forum, where members are asked to participate using friendly and constructive behaviour. It is ok to disagree but being respectful is required.

Sam has contributed some excellent material here and we hope he will reflect somewhat and return with a better communication manner.

ok...back on topic...

Ross

[heyokah]

Hi ,
I'm just replying because I want to be able to find back the thread for later examination :confused:

[Victoria Tintagel]

Hi there, everybodies, as my interest in transformative healing still grows, I guess Ormus is a very valuable way of detoxification and healing. A side note I like to add, and that is the importance of our consciousness involved in the healing/healthbalancing process. When healing is done "to you" or done by impulsive intake of medicine, that's one thing. The other thing is our awareness and inner work accompanying that. I believe that understanding the source of our emotional and physical health problems is the key to healing. Education on the effect of modern food and lifestyle, the way we treat ourselves and others, is a valuable tool to be able to make a choice, about your own way of living, eating, feeling and thinking. We can actually influence our DNA and change it. When we start being in charge more, on all levels of our life, nothing can harm us really. I really learned the meaning of the words "The love you withold is the pain that you carry". Alex Collier mentions this when talking about his contact with the Andromedans. Thank you for this!

[stardustaquarion]

There is no such a thing as over the counter enlightenment and no ammount of "out there" things can fix the main problems that we face inside our anathomy. The price of enlightenment and ascension is learning the lessons of love and thruth that only one self can find within

No ammount of props are going to save us nor the Galactic Federation either :lol:

Bottom line, we are in a consume it all society but eternal values can not be bought, they have to be re-born within

As for detox, cheapest heavy metal detox is coriander leaves which is very gentle. Also try a every 3rd day liquid diet (no meat soups, smoothies, nut milks (if you are not allergic) that sort of thing as much as you need - no hunger required). Cheap, cheerful, easy no need to read lengthy theories that have not been proven. Theories are just that, theories

:wave:

[lightblue]

As for detox, cheapest heavy metal detox is coriander leaves which is very gentle.

stardust, what do you do with coriander leaves? i suppose you meant leaves and not seeds...

i go through a lot of nettles this time of the year...also serves as a good all around detoxifier..there's lots of nettles around at the moment...i use it in soups, stews, pies, i love the taste...i make nettle infusions and use it as a hair rinse..does a great job - will give your hair a magic sparkle...l :flirt:

[stardustaquarion]

stardust, what do you do with coriander leaves? i suppose you meant leaves and not seeds...

i go through a lot of nettles this time of the year...also serves as a good all around detoxifier..there's lots of nettles around at the moment...i use it in soups, stews, pies, i love the taste...i make nettle infusions and use it as a hair rinse..does a great job - will give your hair a magic sparkle...l :flirt:

Hi Lightblue, yes I meant the greens rather than the seeds. You just put them in salads, vegetable juices, or as a garnish on top of soups and stews. Coriander leaves are good to remove heavy metals gently without side effects

I love nettles, good for hay fever and general allergies as well as tonic after the winter. Haven't tried for the hair but now I will :)

[Astra]

Hi Lightblue, yes I meant the greens rather than the seeds. You just put them in salads, vegetable juices, or as a garnish on top of soups and stews. Coriander leaves are good to remove heavy metals gently without side effects

I love nettles, good for hay fever and general allergies as well as tonic after the winter. Haven't tried for the hair but now I will :)

Agree 100% regarding coriander leaves! What a powerful little plant ...eh ... I love nettles as well. This plant has been known as one of the best blood purifiers ... helped me a lot when I was anaemic ... I like nettle tea, nettle tonic as well as delicious nettle spring soup! Yarrow is another blood purifier that I enjoy, be it in a form of herbal infusion, tonic, essential oil ... or in salads. Fresh Yarrow leaves crashed and mixed with some organic honey is my family’s favourite spring tonic ... should be taken every morning before meal, for three months ...
Peace and Love for all,
Astra

[Gestalt]

I have actually been doing a Heavy Metal Detox for approximately the last year or so. I see a conventional doctor here in Canada but he specializes in something known as Environmental medicine. Apparently as far as I know he is the only Doctor in western Canada that has this specific specialization. In any case, I went for extensive blood work, far beyond what regular doctors typically do (even at the Mayo Clinic), as well I did what is known as a heavy metal challenge. Some of the stuff i am doing is at the cutting edge of conventional science.

I used a compound called DMSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimercaptosuccinic_acid) that binds to lead and mercury at the molecular level. I did a baseline test to see where my levels where at, then i did a 4month program of taking DMSA, and I will be going for a retest shortly to see if my levels have come down. As far as I know lead and mercury bind to tissue and therefore a provocative agent must be used to dislodge it.

Here is what my levels were at prior to beginning the heavy metal detox program using DMSA:
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4277/besttoxicmetals.jpg


NOTE: DMSA has the strongest affinity for Mercury and Lead, therefore other readings of heavy metals may not be accurate.

When doing any heavy metal detox it is SUPER important to get a baseline reading. Without a baseline reading you have no idea which metals and how much of them are being detoxified, or if it's even working. The method I am doing is a testable, empirical way of determining whether it is working or not.

In case you all were curious, I also have elevated levels of Arsenic from another test, and elevated levels of a teflon compound(perfluorinated - PFHxS) from yet another different test, which is my next course of action in detoxification. Going to be using Cholestyramine for that one i believe. Teflon is a particularly nasty compound in that your body flags it for detoxification, it enters your large intestine and then get's reabsorbed back into your body making a circular loop through your body's detoxification system. This is why sometimes women are better at detoxifying than men, in that when they menstruate they can detoxify substances that usually loop back into your body via the endocrine system. :P This is probably part of the reason women live longer than men.

I also have test results, for a more complete mycotoxin, pesticide, herbicide profile. I can post those at well if people are interested. As well I have extensive testing and a complete Amino Acid profile as well ammonia/Energy metabolism,nutrient elements, Polyunsaturated Fats 3,6,9, vitamin panels, markers of cirtic acid cycle and much,much more. :) Having an an inquisitive doctor with unconventional thinking and access to the latest in functional medicine test equipment is fun!

[stardustaquarion]

Gestalt, here is the abstract for the cilantro or coriander http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8914687?dopt=AbstractPlus

[Gestalt]

Gestalt, here is the abstract for the cilantro or coriander http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8914687?dopt=AbstractPlus

"However, these mercury deposits, which commonly occur in such cases, were successfully eliminated by the oral intake of 100 mg tablet of Chinese parsley (Cilantro) 4 times a day (for average weight adults) with a number of drug-uptake enhancement methods developed by the 1st author, including different stimulation methods on the accurate organ representation areas of the hands (which have been mapped using the Bi-Digital O-Ring Test), without injections of chelating agents. Ingestion of Chinese parsley, accompanied by drug-uptake enhancement methods, was initiated before the amalgam removal procedure and continued for about 2 to 3 weeks afterwards...

These abnormalities were also successfully reversed by the oral intake of a mixture of EPA with DHA and Chinese parsley, augmented by one of the non-invasive drug-uptake enhancement methods previously...."

What are all these drug-uptake methods, and what is EPA and DHA? Seems like quite the cocktail do they need to be present for the Chinese parsley to work?

[stardustaquarion]

"However, these mercury deposits, which commonly occur in such cases, were successfully eliminated by the oral intake of 100 mg tablet of Chinese parsley (Cilantro) 4 times a day (for average weight adults) with a number of drug-uptake enhancement methods developed by the 1st author, including different stimulation methods on the accurate organ representation areas of the hands (which have been mapped using the Bi-Digital O-Ring Test), without injections of chelating agents. Ingestion of Chinese parsley, accompanied by drug-uptake enhancement methods, was initiated before the amalgam removal procedure and continued for about 2 to 3 weeks afterwards...

These abnormalities were also successfully reversed by the oral intake of a mixture of EPA with DHA and Chinese parsley, augmented by one of the non-invasive drug-uptake enhancement methods previously...."

What are all these drug-uptake methods, and what is EPA and DHA? Seems like quite the cocktail do they need to be present for the Chinese parsley to work?

Both come from fish oil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docosahexaenoic_acid but I am not a doctor so please use your own discernment

My personal experience when I was suffering from fibromyalgya fish oil helped a lot. The best method of detox I have found is liquid diet every third day with lots of fresh vegetables and fruit and fresh coriander juice

:wave:

[Gestalt]

Both come from fish oil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docosahexaenoic_acid but I am not a doctor so please use your own discernment

My personal experience when I was suffering from fibromyalgya fish oil helped a lot. The best method of detox I have found is liquid diet every third day with lots of fresh vegetables and fruit and fresh coriander juice


I have suffered from fibromyalgya as well, it began when i was about 12 years old. I won't get into everything that worked for me here and now, but be careful with the fish oils. Ensure you get a high quality product, fish have incredibly high levels of mercury in them. I too was severely low in Omega 3's as confirmed by lab results. Personally I use the Nordic Oils (http://www.nordicnaturals.com/en/About_Nordic_Naturals/Why_Nordic_Naturals/86/) pharmaceutical grade and molecularly distilled to insure I am not re-poisoning myself.

[stardustaquarion]

I have suffered from fibromyalgya as well, it began when i was about 12 years old. I won't get into everything that worked for me here and now, but be careful with the fish oils. Ensure you get a high quality product, fish have incredibly high levels of mercury in them. I too was severely low in Omega 3's as confirmed by lab results. Personally I use the Nordic Oils (http://www.nordicnaturals.com/en/About_Nordic_Naturals/Why_Nordic_Naturals/86/) pharmaceutical grade and molecularly distilled to insure I am not re-poisoning myself.

Thank you for your advise! I don't need them anymore but when I did I used a company called Higher Nature that has good quality too

:wave:

[Moxie]

Carlson's is a very good quality fish oil. Gestalt? Do keep us updated on the empirical results.

You are SO fortunate to have an open minded, inquisitive doctor.

Also, if you find out what these "non invasive uptake enhancements" are, let us know (why it is mentioned but not expounded on in the article, just rags me when that happens)