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shiva777
12th April 2011, 08:01
UFO mainstream media coverage MASS SIGHTINGS taking place

sightings increasing at a phenomenal rate.Benevolent Et's? BLUEBEAM? NEPHILIM RETURNING? PORTALS? NEW WORLD ORDER PROPAGANDA?

there are many sides and agendas behind these phenomena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PRVP4EQAo

Eric J (Viking)
12th April 2011, 08:17
I'm sure we will know if its 'bluebeam' or not...

and if it is I invite it!!! ... then we can dismantle it and get on to the 'real thing'

viking

Humble Janitor
12th April 2011, 08:19
UFO mainstream media coverage MASS SIGHTINGS taking place

sightings increasing at a phenomenal rate.Benevolent Et's? BLUEBEAM? NEPHILIM RETURNING? PORTALS? NEW WORLD ORDER PROPAGANDA?

there are many sides and agendas behind these phenomena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PRVP4EQAo

Just one problem: I'm not seeing this phenomena in the skies.

If said mass sightings were true, EVERYONE would be seeing them and not just people in a few select cities/countries!

shiva777
12th April 2011, 09:03
mass sightings usually just refer to small groups of people,

Viking,see how many people are NOT AWARE enough to recognise bluebeam phenomena,even though many channelings try to convince you that you will be able to,,how do you know that you will know ,because Sa la su said so?...

,a related video series
http://wemustknow.net/2011/04/norwayscificonspiracies-collide/

Discernment is KEY to navigating the coming times,,,thats why discussing these things is important and not being seduced in to ignorant complacency is vital..many of the forces behind the new-agey agenda are heavily focused on doing JUST THAT,Pacifying the ego so it can be easily manipulated

Bryn ap Gwilym
12th April 2011, 09:13
UFO mainstream media coverage MASS SIGHTINGS taking place

sightings increasing at a phenomenal rate.Benevolent Et's? BLUEBEAM? NEPHILIM RETURNING? PORTALS? NEW WORLD ORDER PROPAGANDA?

there are many sides and agendas behind these phenomena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PRVP4EQAo

Just one problem: I'm not seeing this phenomena in the skies.

If said mass sightings were true, EVERYONE would be seeing them and not just people in a few select cities/countries!

Same here, not even a sausage.
I'm sure someone will put a spin on it. "Only the select chosen ones can see".
A "New Religion" is unfolding right before their eyes, but they refuse to see the truth.

Lord Sidious
12th April 2011, 10:50
UFO mainstream media coverage MASS SIGHTINGS taking place

sightings increasing at a phenomenal rate.Benevolent Et's? BLUEBEAM? NEPHILIM RETURNING? PORTALS? NEW WORLD ORDER PROPAGANDA?

there are many sides and agendas behind these phenomena

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PRVP4EQAo

There ya go shivanugget.

Eric J (Viking)
12th April 2011, 11:15
mass sightings usually just refer to small groups of people,

Viking,see how many people are NOT AWARE enough to recognise bluebeam phenomena,even though many channelings try to convince you that you will be able to,,how do you know that you will know ,because Sa la su said so?...

,a related video series
http://wemustknow.net/2011/04/norwayscificonspiracies-collide/

Discernment is KEY to navigating the coming times,,,thats why discussing these things is important and not being seduced in to ignorant complacency is vital..many of the forces behind the new-agey agenda are heavily focused on doing JUST THAT,Pacifying the ego so it can be easily manipulated

Hopefully we will see more and more folk seeing this type of phenomena...

Yes you are right not many people are aware of Bluebeam ... thats why we're here isn't it... to pass on the message... As I do outside this forum as well...I hope you do too Shiva?? ...

I assume you mean SaLuSa !!! was that an attempt of 'wit', don't give up your day job ... as for discerning I do that everyday...

You know, we are all here to learn whats what and none of us here know everything...I would be the first to admit that...this applies to you as well Shiva ... take note.

viking

Flasky
12th April 2011, 11:43
That sent so many shivers down my spine. The way the caller was speaking...I believed him. And all of these UFO shows well wow. just wow. And yet, I still haven't witnessed one in real life!

Guys, just a question if you could please help me understand. When the caller is telling Art about what's going...What does he mean by:

"...they are not what they claim to be..they have infiltrated a lot of aspects of the military establishment.."

Who is he talking about...the aliens, the government, the military...And infiltrated like, they have changed area 51 to something for the aliens that they are operating?

....and on another note, I can't wait for disclosure!

steve_a
12th April 2011, 12:31
Hi shiva777,

Although the news media is giving space to UFO sightings doesn't necessarily mean that more sightings are taking place. I'm sure that news channels have increased a lot faster than the increase of UFO sightings.

Now with the internet and increased flow of information, sightings in China and Russia are being transmitted across the globe, which twenty years ago wouldn't have been. Sure they would have been reported in the local or even national press of that country, but they wouldn't have reached much further.

To show how much UFO sightings have always taken place, it's just that we hadn't heard about it, we need look no further than governments releasing files to the public which deal with the subject, the UK being one case in point, which because of the burden of the cost of keeping such arquives stored released them on the internet, as did here in Brazil and other countries besides.

As for the motives of such releases, we can only speculate or accept, once again in the British case, of the system not being able to cope with freedom of information act enquiries, which in itself (freedom of information act law) is a relatively recent thing, having to release the documents.

But also we can't ignore the fact that every year more and more satelites are being launched to lower earth orbit and where one could try and argue that sightings have increased, also have the explanations.

Best regards,

Steve




UFO mainstream media coverage MASS SIGHTINGS taking place

sightings increasing at a phenomenal rate.Benevolent Et's? BLUEBEAM? NEPHILIM RETURNING? PORTALS? NEW WORLD ORDER PROPAGANDA?

there are many sides and agendas behind these phenomena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PRVP4EQAo

DarkSai
12th April 2011, 13:45
That sent so many shivers down my spine. The way the caller was speaking...I believed him. And all of these UFO shows well wow. just wow. And yet, I still haven't witnessed one in real life!

Guys, just a question if you could please help me understand. When the caller is telling Art about what's going...What does he mean by:

"...they are not what they claim to be..they have infiltrated a lot of aspects of the military establishment.."

Who is he talking about...the aliens, the government, the military...And infiltrated like, they have changed area 51 to something for the aliens that they are operating?

....and on another note, I can't wait for disclosure!

I would recommend reading the Cassiopaean Experiment material for a (very good imo) answer to that.
I can wait.. I have all the "disclosure" i need.
I also just dont trust (in advance) any planned disclosure efforts by governments; they'll never tell anything close to the "real" reason "they're here" (which they have been all along) willingly.

edit: have watched the video now, he's referring to the extra-dimensional beings (what we think of as aliens) not being what they claim

shiva777
12th April 2011, 18:48
Flasky...area 51 ia ALL about negative ET agendas and interactions,Many in the govt and military have been conned and convinced by these ET's in to using technologies and experimentation that is aimed at enslaving ALL of humanity...even the illuminati they are working with...my feeling is they won't succeed but they have accomplished a lot already.

yeah...I suggest watching the Richard Dolan vids in this forum to get some idea of what a complex issue disclosure REALLY is...so many people are yelling "disclosure now!" and they have no idea of the complexities and very possible effects of it all...Dolan does,he has studied it for decades and it makes people like David Wilcock and many new-agers look like very naive about their cries for disclosure now...

firstlook
12th April 2011, 19:01
Flasky...area 51 ia ALL about negative ET agendas and interactions,Many in the govt and military have been conned and convinced by these ET's in to using technologies and experimentation that is aimed at enslaving ALL of humanity...even the illuminati they are working with...my feeling is they won't succeed but they have accomplished a lot already.

yeah...I suggest watching the Richard Dolan vids in this forum to get some idea of what a complex issue disclosure REALLY is...so many people are yelling "disclosure now!" and they have no idea of the complexities and very possible effects of it all...Dolan does,he has studied it for decades and it makes people like David Wilcock and many new-agers look like very naive about their cries for disclosure now...

When people say disclosure now, dont assume they blatantly think that it has anything to do with addressing each agenda. What you are hearing is the voice of reasoning. Why? Because disclosure, no matter its effects, has to start somewhere and sometime.

The problem is getting our voices heard about the matter and to the right people. You say Richard Dolan is right, and I fully agree, but he lacks the drive to get the message vibrating through out the conscious grid. Thats where people like David and others play their part. It needs to be a demand of disclosure that challenges each faction that has a piece to reveal, to start thinking about how to make this happen.

Once again Shiva777, you make really good points but need to balance out your judgments.

Everyone plays an important part.

Peace :)

wynderer
12th April 2011, 19:12
to those who have never seen a 'UFO' -- one reason could be that most humans never look at the sky -- i keep an eye on it, a lot, & i also see that few humans ever look up

try pointing out chemtrails to folks --even that is difficult enough

a few years ago i saw a silver sphere hanging over a college campus i was walking thru -- i pointed it out to the young man i was walking with-- he got that eyes-glazed, shut-down look that seeing chemtrails often usually produces in people -- & nobody around the 2 of us stopped to look up

shiva777
12th April 2011, 19:21
once again firstlook ,when people say "disclosure NOW!",they often mean disclosure NOW and that it should have happened years ago...that's very clear when you look furthur in to their info and work

,you don't seem to understand that Wilcock has been saying with great excitement that disclosure would happen on certain dates years ago.....and so have many new agers...if that had happened the negative ET's would have another BIG foot in the door

Yes,Wilcock is waking up to his naive and false beliefs about Obama(yet to admit it though) the "disclosure president" and realises that disclosure NOW needs to happen after much of the illuminati are dethroned,..just one of many reality checks Wilcock has had and will continue to have..it is good that he realises Disclosure is more complicated than he thought a few years ago

firstlook
12th April 2011, 19:32
once again firstlook ,you don't seem to understand that Wilcock has been saying with great excitement that disclosure would happen on certain dates years ago.....and so have many new agers...so your argument is not "balanced" or accurate....yes Wilcock is waking up to the fact that Obama is just another illuminati stooge(but not openly admitting he was wrong) and is now saying that disclosure needs to happen after a lot of the illuminati are dethroned..

What I'm saying has nothing to do with the certain opinions of Mr. Wilcock. I never said who is more valid or not.

Its about the desire for disclosure. Do not confuse the details of how it will play out with the general tone.

It needs to happen. The difference of opinions is a good thing. Everyone has a important point to make.

Thats all.

I understand your merely trying to prop up who you think is more intelligent about the matter. Thats a good thing.

Just try to be less judge and jury, and inspire people to look at the bigger picture.

I repeat it again, Everyone plays an important part.

Peace :)

shiva777
12th April 2011, 19:36
what you call a judgement,I call a discernment...of course everyone is playing their part,some more naively than others

firstlook
12th April 2011, 19:51
what you call a judgement,I call a discernment...of course everyone is playing their part,some more naively than others

But true discernment is about the facts and not the person.

True discernment inspires the search for truth, it doesn't condemn the path of others.

You talk about Richard Dolan and David Wilcock as if they have opposing ideas. When thats actually not the case.

Just different methods of how to obtain some peace and truth in this world.

This is no hierarchy of truth. Just those who contribute and those who are searching for something to contribute.

Peace :)

shiva777
12th April 2011, 20:43
that's your ideas on Dolan and wilcock and on discernment or your discernment on what discernment means...lol...as you say "This is no hierarchy of truth"..so what is "true" discernment,your heirarchy of what it is?...calling others naive is not condemnation,it is a shared discernment..

and here's some info on area 51 that may interest some...feel free to discern this as naive,disinfo,rubbbish or whatever,,,doesn't bother me

http://www.disclose.tv/members/action/viewvideo/70566/Philip_Schneider___Lecture_That_Got_Him_Killed_pt1/

firstlook
12th April 2011, 20:52
that's your ideas on Dolan and wilcock and on discernment or your discernment on what discernment means...lol...as you say "This is no hierarchy of truth"..so what is "true" discernment,your heirarchy of what it is?...calling others naive is not condemnation,it is a shared discernment

and here's some info on area 51 that may interest some...feel free to discern this as naive,disinfo,rubbbish or whatever,,,doesn't bother me

http://www.disclose.tv/members/action/viewvideo/70566/Philip_Schneider___Lecture_That_Got_Him_Killed_pt1/

I'm not sure what we disagree about actually. I support much of what you say.

It seems that you like to polarize opinions. If you understand discernment, then you see it has no hierarchy of "truth" because situations differ from event to event and the people have their own goals they want to address.

Thats what I mean by discernment. The facts should only lead to more facts. How to utilize them is up to the individual. Saying one path is more effective then another is naturally an assumption since talking about it doesn't make it so.

I merely trying to balance the playing field on what you assume is more "useful".

Effectiveness is the measure of truth, and each individual is looking for different truth. Wisdom comes when you can piece them together without contradiction and hierarchy.

Peace :)

shiva777
12th April 2011, 20:56
yeah..I'm not talking about "usefulness"..I'm talking about naivety and the validity of sharing that discernment ...

you seem to have no problem in saying that "it seems you like to polarize opinions"...and you are entitled to that discernment.Although I don't agree with it,I won't call it a judgement...like you have accused me of doing


.and I agree with what you have said here

"I'm not sure what we disagree about actually. I support much of what you say. "

as you can see we can keep going around in circles on this ..lol..
and basically agree about the important issue of looking at the many complexities of disclosure and not just naively screaming "disclosure NOW!"(as in,do it TODAY)

firstlook
12th April 2011, 21:10
yeah..I'm not talking about "usefulness"..I'm talking about naivety.

.and I agree with what you have said here

"I'm not sure what we disagree about actually. I support much of what you say. "

Same difference. Naivety is something that is without use, is it not? Effectiveness, Usefulness, Naivety, Discernment, truth. These words ring of similar desires.

Anyways, I steer the conversation back to your end. I have alot of respect for Richard Dolan. His points about the real workings of corporate and military advantages in keeping this information secret is pretty on point. It is a bit old world thinking but it is true.

The thing that Richard Dolan is missing in his assessment of disclosure, is the idea of free will. He keeps scooting around the issue that this information would already be public if every single person on this planet lived up to the free will principle. This is the general tone that Wilcock and others are trying to influence into the corporate and authoritarian mentality of society. This is in fact the real change that needs to occur.

Richard details the logical reasoning of why factions operate the way they do. Wilcock and others point out that its no longer sustainable to keep interfering with the general free will of society.

Disclosure is not something that we want to MAKE happen, its something we want to LET happen.

Peace :)

firstlook
12th April 2011, 22:22
not just naively screaming "disclosure NOW!"(as in,do it TODAY)

When have I represented this?

firstlook
12th April 2011, 22:32
not just naively screaming "disclosure NOW!"(as in,do it TODAY)

When have I represented this?

If your talking about how to advise disclosure, that is an important point also.

How does one influence this area? Through economic reasoning? Environmental reasoning? ETC>>>

I mean the list goes on but the general idea that we are just shouting NOW! NOW! NOW! Is somewhat of an understatement. Turn on the News, and there is all the reasoning one needs to point out WHY this needs to happen.

As for the issue of HOW, thats something I'm interested to here your opinion on.

Peace :)

Flasky
12th April 2011, 22:49
Darksei "I would recommend reading the Cassiopaean Experiment material for a (very good imo) answer to that.
I can wait.. I have all the "disclosure" i need.
I also just dont trust (in advance) any planned disclosure efforts by governments; they'll never tell anything close to the "real" reason "they're here" (which they have been all along) willingly.
edit: have watched the video now, he's referring to the extra-dimensional beings (what we think of as aliens) not being what they claim"

Thank you.


Flasky...area 51 ia ALL about negative ET agendas and interactions,Many in the govt and military have been conned and convinced by these ET's in to using technologies and experimentation that is aimed at enslaving ALL of humanity...even the illuminati they are working with...my feeling is they won't succeed but they have accomplished a lot already.

yeah...I suggest watching the Richard Dolan vids in this forum to get some idea of what a complex issue disclosure REALLY is...so many people are yelling "disclosure now!" and they have no idea of the complexities and very possible effects of it all...Dolan does,he has studied it for decades and it makes people like David Wilcock and many new-agers look like very naive about their cries for disclosure now...

Thank you. I still have a lot to read and learn. I am bit off my chair about negative ets using area 51 for their likings. I really had no idea it went to that extent. And I am assuming tall greys?

Wynderer:
to those who have never seen a 'UFO' -- one reason could be that most humans never look at the sky

I look at the sky every day and every night. As much as can. I actually 'want' to see them. Its them, they don't want to see me. Or well, be seen by me.

ktlight
13th April 2011, 15:08
UFO mainstream media coverage MASS SIGHTINGS taking place

sightings increasing at a phenomenal rate.Benevolent Et's? BLUEBEAM? NEPHILIM RETURNING? PORTALS? NEW WORLD ORDER PROPAGANDA?

there are many sides and agendas behind these phenomena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PRVP4EQAo

I have never seen UFOs that have trails behind them, except when they have shapeshifted into aeroplanes and, even then, they throw the trail back once they have passed overhead into the distance, if you see what I mean. Therefore, I do not accept those recorded with trails, definitely not the ones with wobbly trails. The round spiralling ones I do not accept. The ones heading a billowing trail, I do not accept. I have been skywatching for many years.

I hope you understand.

Arrowwind
13th April 2011, 15:27
Could someone please tell me what Bluebeam means? I see this frequently but lack a defination.

Regarding disclousure... why do we think we need media and government acknowledgment?
If we are free will individuals and capable of knowing anything all, we need is contact, as these aliens
are presenting opportunity to us at greater and greater frequency of direct experience..

If you know God do you need government confirmation? Do you need a church to tell you reincarnation is your reality?
Do you need a black box operation to tell you we are all one?

Do you need a governemnt to tell you that love is the answer?

Please consider why so many think we need the government to tell us Allien intellegence is real?


When enough people have experiences then we will know through direct experience rather than some
dam talking head trying to manipulate and control us further though their censored interpetations.

From the military and government, we have already more than enough reputable whistleblowing.
We need direct experience and we are starting to get it in mass now

AtlasFactor
13th April 2011, 16:48
I'm sure we will know if its 'bluebeam' or not...

and if it is I invite it!!! ... then we can dismantle it and get on to the 'real thing'

viking

Bluebeam is a psy-op in my opinion. If that was their true plan, it would not have been so widely publicized. Perhaps an insurance policy, in case benevolent ETs make themselves known, so the public reacts in fear? (Like the v series.)

shiva777
13th April 2011, 20:40
I think you would learn alot more by studying Dolan's work a little more as he speaks about more aspects of disclosure than you imply he does...and he makes Wilcock's current naivety around disclosure very obvious

here's some interesting thoughts from Swerdlow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl3J7_zuEBQ&feature=player_embedded#at=287

http://expansions.com/

firstlook
14th April 2011, 18:32
I think you would learn alot more by studying Dolan's work a little more as he speaks about more aspects of disclosure than you imply he does...and he makes Wilcock's current naivety around disclosure very obvious

here's some interesting thoughts from Swerdlow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl3J7_zuEBQ&feature=player_embedded#at=287

http://expansions.com/

What specific talking points would you like to discuss about Dolans work specifically related in contrast to Wilcock? I am more then willing to listen and reflect.

Peace :)

Odah
14th April 2011, 22:04
Well i think the "aliens" that our government is involved with are future humans from a post apocolyptic future.. that have been rolling out a plan to insure their past .. role out exactally how it rolled out.

Why would little grey aliens need our genetic mateial .. and how would they produce hybrids if they wern't geneticaly very similar.

now i think bluebeam is the false flag invasion. my feeling.. and this is in my hope to happen side. Is that the false flag invasion might be somethign the aliens can come in and break up or stop. It might be one of those points where if we are openly capable of going out their they can intervene.

Davidallany
17th April 2011, 08:37
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A Russian declassified video showing a cylindrical ufo and a russian fighter.

161803398
17th April 2011, 09:16
Does anyone expect that the government, if they "disclose" anything is going to tell the TRUTH? hmmmm? Why would they suddenly start telling the truth when they have done nothing but LIE. They are habitual liars, money addicts and criminals. What I expect from disclosure is another pack of lies from the government, the media and more fear mongering and a lot of people getting upset again. So I do not look forward to any disclosure because its just going to be more crap and garbage and I'm tired of it.

161803398
17th April 2011, 09:22
http://www.examiner.com/ufo-in-vancouver/amazing-video-ufo-over-victoria-b-c-canada-january-22-2011-video

Here is a beautiful video of an orb over Victoria, B.C. at around 11.43 you can see what is inside. Don't know what it is really, although I have seen orbs myself this one acts quite different from the ones I have seen.

firstlook
18th April 2011, 04:29
Does anyone expect that the government, if they "disclose" anything is going to tell the TRUTH? hmmmm? Why would they suddenly start telling the truth when they have done nothing but LIE. They are habitual liars, money addicts and criminals. What I expect from disclosure is another pack of lies from the government, the media and more fear mongering and a lot of people getting upset again. So I do not look forward to any disclosure because its just going to be more crap and garbage and I'm tired of it.

So my understanding of the scenario is that Governments will disclose when they have too. But I think you should keep one important point that trumps the Lies that always will come from an authority outside yourself.

DISCLOSURE IS A CONSCIOUS LEAP. (its the spiritual discovery of fire).

Whether a lie, or an embellishment, or a "problem", it opens up the conscious mind in more ways then one. It doesn't matter who opens the door because their will always be agenda's in this universe (unless you believe in utopia), just as long as the next paradigm in perception is presented.

Simply saying that people will use disclosure for their own means is highly understating the infinite impact that this topic brings. There is so much more to it then that.

161803398
18th April 2011, 07:09
Simply saying that people will use disclosure for their own means is highly understating the infinite impact that this topic brings. There is so much more to it then that.

Im saying that a criminal government will use it for their own means. That could be very harmful so I'd rather they kept their mouths shut. People can see what is going on for themselves.

161803398
18th April 2011, 07:14
I see very few politicians who have the faintest clue what they are doing except kissing ass. Whatever the politicians are told about UFOs will be told to them by lying, manipulative criminals. Consequently, I have no interest in hearing it.

I dont need someone to tell me what I can see for myself and I wouldn't trust any alien that had anything to do with the American government. That might be the only reason disclosure would be good -- so I would know which ones not to trust.

firstlook
19th April 2011, 03:02
Simply saying that people will use disclosure for their own means is highly understating the infinite impact that this topic brings. There is so much more to it then that.

Im saying that a criminal government will use it for their own means. That could be very harmful so I'd rather they kept their mouths shut. People can see what is going on for themselves.

People in the world Live under governments, its just the way things are at the moment. For governments to say that intelligent life have/are visiting our planet, is more beneficial to human perception then how they will use it to control us. Its a chance for people to break free. If your not one who needs this chance, sometimes its hard to understand that people who accept authority need this shift.

Governments ARE AUTHORITY. It doesn't matter what they do because the premise is that they are in charge. So it doesn't matter if they reveal something if you still perceive their authority over you. WHY? because it doesn't change your perception of their authority, it simply opens up a new perception that they have to control over you. This is why they are doomed to control people. The more they reveal, the more they have to fight to control. It makes their intent more and more difficult to implement.

If your already a person who doesn't accept their authority, which despite belief, is INCREDIBLY RARE (almost everyone pays taxes of some form), then you have nothing to loose because your simply gaining more people to perceive that life is something that is throughout the universe.

Again, Authority (government) would only release this if they HAVE too. Consciously it creates the idea that life is not just one thing. It releases the view of an authority over you because it shows that their are infinite possibilities.

Trust me, this is something that cracks the door to individual freedom wide open. It will challenge peoples views. And one should never resist a challenge to expand your perceptions just because you fear what another will do.

Thats the reactionary state authority wants society in. It keeps people from interacting with anyone they feel is not "right".

So this doesn't mean you should sit around waiting for disclosure and asking for it. Nor does it mean you should deny it in any form. You have to simply allow the topic to reach its breaking point. Because the breaking point is something for those who need to be challenged to evolve. Not everyone just gets it. And the idea that peoples views shouldn't be challenged because they might make the wrong choice is no way to live.

Thats why I dont agree when Bob Dean, bless the man, says that people aren't ready. People will never be "Ready". Its only when they are challenged when they push themselves to either evolve of breakdown. This is life. You can only help the process.

The real issue that needs to be debated is HOW to most effectively introduce the topic. But I dont think their is ONE right answer because people are different. They accept different things and have different faults and strengths. It should be about supporting Disclosure in Lots of ways.

Peace :)

Virilis
20th April 2011, 05:12
UFO mainstream media coverage MASS SIGHTINGS taking place

sightings increasing at a phenomenal rate.Benevolent Et's? BLUEBEAM? NEPHILIM RETURNING? PORTALS? NEW WORLD ORDER PROPAGANDA?

there are many sides and agendas behind these phenomena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PRVP4EQAo

I have never seen UFOs that have trails behind them, except when they have shapeshifted into aeroplanes and, even then, they throw the trail back once they have passed overhead into the distance, if you see what I mean. Therefore, I do not accept those recorded with trails, definitely not the ones with wobbly trails. The round spiralling ones I do not accept. The ones heading a billowing trail, I do not accept. I have been skywatching for many years.

I hope you understand.

Aren't trails an indication that a combustion process is occurring? I'm not an expert on the subject, but I thought that genuine UFO's don't use combustible propellants that leave a trail.

For example, the supposed Russian March 7 2011 UFO footage, may have been a deorbited Progress M-03M (35) burning up in the Earth's atmosphere.

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"October 15, 2009 - Baikonur Cosmodrome.
A new Progress cargo resupply vehicle launched from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan to the International Space Station at 9:14 p.m. EDT Wednesday, Oct. 14. Less than nine minutes later, the ISS Progress 35 reached its preliminary orbit and deployed its solar arrays and navigational antennas.
It replaces the trash-filled Progress 34 which undocked on Sept. 21 and was destroyed on re-entry into Earths atmosphere over the Pacific on Sept. 27.
Progress 35 is set to dock to the station on Saturday, Oct. 17 at 9:41 p.m. with more than two tons of oxygen, air, propellant and other supplies and equipment aboard.
The station's 35th Progress unpiloted spacecraft brings to the orbiting laboratory 1,918 pounds of propellant, 110 pounds of oxygen and air, 926 pounds of water and 1,750 pounds of spare parts and supplies for the Expedition 21 crew.
Once the Expedition 21 crew members have unloaded the cargo, Progress 35 will be filled with trash and station discards. It will be undocked from the station and like its predecessors deorbited to burn in the Earth's atmosphere.
The Progress is similar in appearance and some design elements to the Soyuz spacecraft, which brings crew members to the station, serves as a lifeboat while they are there and returns them to Earth. The aft module, the instrumentation and propulsion module, is nearly identical.
But the second of the three Progress sections is a refueling module, and the third, uppermost as the Progress sits on the launch pad, is a cargo module. On the Soyuz, the descent module, where the crew is seated on launch and which returns them to Earth, is the middle module and the third is called the orbital module."



Anyway, I LOVED the video that Shiva posted. A nice collage of news footage segments underpinned by a very moving musical score. Thanks for creating this thread :)