ET's, Alien craft, and other debatable subject matter...

[Dennis Jonathan]

I was thinking today (for the millionth time) I want to have contact. I want to have a sighting, show me a sign dammit!!

Then I was thinking, does my belief hinge upon this? Am I a doubting Thomas?

I decided to make a list of all of the things I've never seen, but believe to be real.

Here it is:


I've never seen a:

Submarine
Stealth fighter plane
Aircraft carrier
Machine gun
Nuclear missile
Kevlar vest
20 karat diamond


I've never met a:

Nebraskan
Wyoming(ian?)
Brazilian
Madagascar(ian?)
Navaho
Aborigine
South African


I've never seen a:

Sloth
Baby pigeon
Grizzly Bear
Bald Eagle
Great White Shark
Blue Whale
Lion cub


You get the point.

If I didn't have witness testimony, video footage, pictures, and Hollywood, how would I be certain any of the above were real?

[crosby]

just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't real....... there's a lot of things i have never seen either, but i still believe in them. sometimes it feels like i already know that it's real, like a vague impression that perhaps i have seen it, either in a dream, or just in my imagination. but it still feels worthy of investigation.
warmest, corson

[GaiaJeanie]

I wonder though. Is seeing something enough to believe it real? What about a Hologram that depicts a person or a view? Would that be real? I t would appear as though it was to our mind, hence the adage "To see is to believe". My tendency is to lean toward the hard evidence of touch - for vision, sound and mind can be manipulated.

love and joy :humble:

[MariaDine]

I was thinking today (for the millionth time) I want to have contact. I want to have a sighting, show me a sign dammit!!

Then I was thinking, does my belief hinge upon this? Am I a doubting Thomas?

I decided to make a list of all of the things I've never seen, but believe to be real.

Here it is:


I've never seen a:

Submarine
Stealth fighter plane
Aircraft carrier
Machine gun
Nuclear missile
Kevlar vest
20 karat diamond


I've never met a:

Nebraskan
Wyoming(ian?)
Brazilian
Madagascar(ian?)
Navaho
Aborigine
South African


I've never seen a:

Sloth
Baby pigeon
Grizzly Bear
Bald Eagle
Great White Shark
Blue Whale
Lion cub


You get the point.

If I didn't have witness testimony, video footage, pictures, and Hollywood, how would I be certain any of the above were real?

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Some are Ok, but some are really, really bad.
Just be carefull.
Namasté

[phimonic]

i don't want to be a believer - i want to either know or else i do not know
i do know ufo phenomena can be seen - have seen it with my own eyes - i do not know if it was extraterrestrial - but it was definetly clearly visible in the sky - i wouldn't have seen it, if not my grandmother showed me - so we both saw it - reflective elongated triangular shape - hard to tell distance/size of it (no reference) - but this probably won't help you much , and many others here have way more spectacular stories to tell.

at this time, to me it wasn't even something sensational - more like - a - weird - probably some test-craft of the Russians or the US i said to my grandma - who knows .

the rest i don't know - i find everything fascinating and interesting and i have some guesses but that's it.
i know there are some things very wrong. - i know some things that people claim, and some of those things are very likely and plausible but that's not knowing, so we keep on searching...
i assume many things, but is this the same as believing?
so if you asked me if i believed in aliens - i'd probably say no, i do not know but it is very likely to me .
believing is a strong word it submits that you don't know, but have faith in. - this can be dangerous and misleading. - often people use the word believing, when they mean assuming or guessing . i think

[jorr lundstrom]

I wonder though. Is seeing something enough to believe it real? What about a Hologram that depicts a person or a view? Would that be real? I t would appear as though it was to our mind, hence the adage "To see is to believe". My tendency is to lean toward the hard evidence of touch - for vision, sound and mind can be manipulated.

love and joy :humble:


Living in Sweden, I wonder, is Australia real? :boink:

[Jake]

I have heard it said that your reality is only REAL, according to the degree in which you believe it. Many will say, 'I will believe it when I see it'.

Well, the truth just may be that 'I will see it, when I believe it.' Just some food for thought.

[Gridkeeper]

There's some real aliens in this video, I can't prove it but I can show you this and let you make your own mind up:

Gridkeeper - You Are The One ( 2011 Club Mix )

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This film shows some of the space machines in my other films but at a quality that is much better than the older films. The footage at the end is a close up of the last machine shown in the film, very strange looking indeed.

Gridkeeper - Been A Long Time 2011 club mix

Do_6OtycL8A

[phimonic]

I have heard it said that your reality is only REAL, according to the degree in which you believe it. Many will say, 'I will believe it when I see it'.

Well, the truth just may be that 'I will see it, when I believe it.' Just some food for thought.

yea - but at that point- you know - don't you?

[Dennis Jonathan]

i assume many things, but is this the same as believing?
so if you asked me if i believed in aliens - i'd probably say no, i do not know but it is very likely to me .
believing is a strong word it submits that you don't know, but have faith in. - this can be dangerous and misleading. - often people use the word believing, when they mean assuming or guessing . i think

When I say believe, I mean part "am convinced by the evidence" and part "suspend disbelief".

I try very hard to keep an open mind. What that means to me is to keep my inner debunker silenced long enough for me to weigh the evidence and try to discern the truth.

[MariaDine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_IEfsDFGug&NR=1

Got something for you....... maybe it helps ! see it ´till the end
Namasté

[bilko]

Is it possible that aliens and ufos have become another stepping stone to God or the belief in a source?
Maybe they are part of mental evolution that was always meant to be or because of a lack of faith after the horrors of centuries past.

That does not mean they are not real, on the contrary, if one can imagine a thing it probably will be real or already is.
Maybe ufos are like ipads, the stepping stone between iphones and laptops.
Advanced technology and hopefully social, mental and physical evolution make God a little bit more believable.

[Dennis Jonathan]

Thanks Maria :)

I've been meaning to watch some of Alex's old stuff. I was blown away by his talk at the 2009 Awake and Aware conference. They should have let him talk for as long as he was willing imo. He's one speaker that I cant get enough of.

[phimonic]

When I say believe, I mean part "am convinced by the evidence" and part "suspend disbelief".

I try very hard to keep an open mind. What that means to me is to keep my inner debunker silenced long enough for me to weigh the evidence and try to discern the truth.



i understand you - and seen like this - i could probably be described as believer - i mean like i said have seen one already - so i know there are things out there - and i do respect everyone talking about this and his or her experiences - it is more a question how you define believe

but i know there is such a thing as god -and i know we're not the only beings around. and some other things, which are nonsense for others, are absolutely plausible for me.
i just read OnyxKnights post about his contacts and am literally stunned - to me it's an amazing story - and i think this all might be true - i have more confidence in such things than in the evening news or the newspaper. (although generally i'm not interested in watching news or reading the newspaper at all ^^ - it's everyday another story ;) )

so in your definition i might be a total believer ;) - believe in german is der Glaube or glauben - it has more of a religious meaning to me - i think it is just used to commonly as word .

probably it just helps me to better reflect things if i stop when i want to say i believe, to quickly change it into i do not know. and when it's something with a lot of evidence and very plausible, then i tended to say i know - and then be sure for myself about it - in the worst case i know wrong. - so actually knowing nothing again ^^

maybe it's just a personal neurotic disfunction of mine - and not of great importance - just a personal thing i believe ;) - maybe there is the error :D

[phimonic]

or maybe i'm just afraid when i believe i'd stop searching *think*

but imagine - now full ufo disclosure - all is true ,..

i bet you'd say - " I already knew " - wouldn't you?

[phimonic]

He's one speaker that I cant get enough of.

yes he is very sympathetic , and has a good voice to listen to.

[Lord Sidious]

I wonder though. Is seeing something enough to believe it real? What about a Hologram that depicts a person or a view? Would that be real? I t would appear as though it was to our mind, hence the adage "To see is to believe". My tendency is to lean toward the hard evidence of touch - for vision, sound and mind can be manipulated.

love and joy :humble:


Living in Sweden, I wonder, is Australia real? :boink:

It feels fake a lot of the time, let me tell you.
Until you get out into the bush, then it feels real.
Mmmmmmmmmmmm, mother nature.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_IEfsDFGug&NR=1

Got something for you....... maybe it helps ! see it ´till the end
Namasté

Come out, come out, wherever you are.

[boja]

I wonder though. Is seeing something enough to believe it real? What about a Hologram that depicts a person or a view? Would that be real? I t would appear as though it was to our mind, hence the adage "To see is to believe". My tendency is to lean toward the hard evidence of touch - for vision, sound and mind can be manipulated.

love and joy :humble:


As you rightly point out "the hard evidence of touch" is good.
I would add to this the fact that Jim Penniston was able to touch and feel the ufo he encountered during the Rendlesham Forest incident in the UK during December 1980.
Also Jesse Marcel (Sen & Jnr) were both able to touch and feel the ufo material which they encountered at Roswell during the late 1940s.
All highly regarded testimonies.

Kind regards.

[phimonic]

......
....believing is a strong word it submits that you don't know, but have faith in. - this can be dangerous and misleading. - often people use the word believing, when they mean assuming or guessing . i think

believing has always some form of doubt i think.
and doubt is not good for us at all. - if we all stopped doubting and started being sure about what we know.

the phrase is knowledge&wisdom - not believe&wisdom

the knowledge within this forum, and what people in this forum know is beyond being strong enough to set the right spark for the change of the world maybe. but as long people are believing or not believing - knowledge will just lie in front of our eyes, as it did more or less always.

i think believing is humanities weak point. - if you're a catholic then know that there is your god, if muslim then know there is allah - if you have doubts - well then you don't know and you should start searching, till you're without doubt - then your god will be mighty in your universe.


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„Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds, When he finds he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the all.“ J.

[phimonic]

what we can be sure of, is that there are snakes among us ^^ - if they can change their pupil shape - have another skin structure or being able to do some other fancy tricks, or nothing of that at all is not so much of my concern, and i simply don't know. - but that some beings are snakes, we should be able to tell from within our hearts if we listen and stop following them for our personal comfort.

one love!