The New Age movement/religion and the NWO

[shiva777]

The Lucis Trust

The Lucis Trust is the Publishing House which prints and disseminates United Nations material. It is a devastating indictment of the New Age and Pagan nature of the UN. Lucis Trust was established in 1922 as Lucifer Trust by Alice Bailey as the publishing company to disseminate the books of Bailey and Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society. The title page of Alice Bailey's book, 'Initiation, Human and Solar' was originally printed in 1922, and clearly shows the publishing house as 'Lucifer Publishing CoIn 1923.'

Bailey changed the name to Lucis Trust, because Lucifer Trust revealed the true nature of the New Age Movement too clearly. (Constance Cumbey, The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, p. 49). A quick trip to any New Age bookstore will reveal that many of the hard-core New Age books are published by Lucis Trust.

At one time, the Lucis Trust office in New York was located at 666 United Nations Plaza and is a member of the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations under a slick program called "World Goodwill". In an Alice Bailey book called "Education for a New Age"; she suggests that in the new age "World Citizenship should be the goal of the enlightened, with a world federation and a world brain." In other words - a One World Government New World Order.

Luci's Trust is sponsored by among others Robert McNamara, former minister of Defense in the USA, president of the World Bank, member of the Rockefeller Foundation, and Thomas Watson (IBM, former ambassador in Moscow). Luci's Trust sponsors among others the following organizations:
• UN
• Greenpeace International
• Greenpeace USA
• Amnesty International
• UNICEF
The United Nations has long been one of the foremost world harbingers for the "New Spirituality" and the gathering "New World Order" based on ancient occult and freemasonic principles. Seven years after the birth of the UN, a book was published by the theosophist and founder of the Lucis Trust, Alice Bailey, claiming that,
"Evidence of the growth of the human intellect along the needed receptive lines [for the preparation of the New Age] can be seen in the "planning" of various nations and in the efforts of the United Nations to formulate a world plan... From the very start of this unfoldment, three occult factors have governed the development of all these plans"
[Alice B. Bailey, Discipleship in the New Age (Lucis Press, 1955), Vol. II, p.35.]
Although she did not spell out clearly the identity of these 'three occult factors', she did reveal to her students that,
"Within the United Nations is the germ and seed of a great international and meditating, reflective group - a group of thinking and informed men and women in whose hands lies the destiny of humanity. This is largely under the control of many fourth ray disciples, if you could but realize it, and their point of meditative focus is the intuitional or Buddhic plane - the plane upon which all hierarchical activity is today to be found"
[Ibid. p.220.]
To this end, the Lucis Trust, under the leadership of Foster and Alice Bailey, started a group called 'World Goodwill' - an official non-governmental organization within the United Nations. The stated aim of this group is,
"to cooperate in the world of preparation for the reappearance of the Christ"
[One Earth, the magazine of the Findhorn Foundation, October/November 1986, Vol. 6, Issue 6, p.24.]
But the esoteric work inside the UN does not stop with such recognized occult groupings. Much of the impetus for this process was initiated through the officership of two Secretary-Generals of the UN, Dag Hammarskjöld (held office: 1953-1961) and U Thant (held office: 1961-1971) who succeeded him, and one Assistant Secretary-general, Dr. Robert Muller. In a book written to celebrate the philosophy of Teilhard de Chardin (and edited by Robert Muller), it is revealed,
"Dag Hammarskjöld, the rational Nordic economist, had ended up as a mystic. He too held at the end of his life that spirituality was the ultimate key to our earthly fate in time and space"
[Robert Muller (ed.), The Desire to be Human: A Global Reconnaissance of Human Perspectives in an Age of Transformation (Miranana, 1983), p.304.]
Sri Chinmoy, the New Age guru, meditation leader at the UN, wrote:
"the United Nations is the chosen instrument of God; to be a chosen instrument means to be a divine messenger carrying the banner of God's inner vision and outer manifestation."
William Jasper, author of "A New World Religion" describes the religion of the UN:
"...a weird and diabolical convergence of New Age mysticism, pantheism, aboriginal animism atheism, communism, socialism, Luciferian occultism, apostate Christianity, Islam, Taoism, Buddhism, and Hinduism".
At http://www.lucistrust.org you can find out much more about them and how they're involved with the work of the United Nations by following their link "World Goodwill" at the top of their home page.


The Aquarian Age Community

This Website is sponsored by the United Nations and the whole NWO philosophy is there. The page which explains the work of the Aquarian Age Community, as they call themselves, has this proud quote at the header of their page:
Such a grandeur is ahead!
Such a great step awaits a fiery affirmation.
Our teaching and the affirmation of the Higher
Principles will reveal so much that is great to humanity!
A great period is drawing near: Thus we do create together.
Fiery World
Vol. III, par. 149
Amongst the many 'enlightening' pages in this website, you can easily find 'fascinating' articles entitled:
• "The New World Order and the Work of the UN"
• "The World Spiritual Teacher, the Esoteric Community and the United Nations"
• "Preparing the Way for the Reappearance of the World Spiritual Teacher, the Work of the United Nations and the World-Wide Esoteric Community" and many more articles.
This is not Christian theology but New Age paganism. You can also read the NWO quotes I posted, further down this page. Here's another by Curtis Dall, FD Roosevelt's son in law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father in Law:
"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn't. Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign Relations One World Money group...

Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared "ammunition" in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his internationalist political support.

The UN is but a long range, international banking apparatus nearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One World Revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power.

The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market... The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank."

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_lucytrust04.htm



Lucis Trust, Alice Bailey and the connections with the Rockefellers, NWO


Lucis (Lucifer) Trust, Alice Bailey, World Goodwill and the 'Light of the World'.

"Alice Ann Bailey, a leading disciple of the Russian theosophist Madame Helena Blavatsky, formed the Lucifer Trust in 1920. 1922 saw the organization's name changed to Lucis Trust though the advancement of the Luciferian beliefs remained true. Beliefs that in Blavatsky's words,"oppose the materialism of science and every dogmatic theology, especially the Christian, which the Chiefs of the Society regard as particularly pernicious."

Lucis Trust promulgates the work of an "Ascended Master" who was working 'through' Alice Bailey for some 30 years. The Lucis Trust Publishing Company and their many fronts and organizations worship an "Externalized Hierarchy" of "Ascended Masters," who carry out the work of a Luciferian "master plan" for the establishment of a permanent "Age of Aquarius" ruled by one "Sanat Kumara", the "Lord of the World."

This is no ordinary third rate organisation. Lucis Trust is a powerful institution that enjoys "Consultative Status" with the United Nations, which permits it to have a close working relationship with the U.N., including a seat on the weekly sessions, but most importantly influence with powerful business and national leaders throughout the world.

The Lucis Trust is as much a political organization as an occult religious one. Aptly promoting a globalist ideology, Lucis Trust founded its World Goodwill, which is closely connected to international elitist circles. Authors and participants in its various conferences read like a Who's Who of globalist insiders. Featured on its website, for example, is the Universal Declaration of Human Responsibilities, put forth in April 1998 as a companion document to the notorious UN Universal Declaration on Human Rights. Signatories to the World Goodwill document: Helmut Schmidt, former Chancellor of West Germany; Malcom Frasier, former Australian Prime Minister; Shimon Perez; Robert McNamara; Paul Volcke; Jimmy Carter and Pierre Trudeau among others.

Lucis Trust is run through an international board of trustees whose membership is said to have included: John D. Rockefeller; Norman Cousins; Robert S. McNamara; Thomas Watson, Jr. (IBM, former U.S. Ambassador to Moscow); Henry Clauson Grand Commander of the Supreme Council, 33rd Degree, Southern District Scottish Rite and Henry Kissinger. This would then tie Bailey's influential occult organization into the international conspiracy of elitists, including the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the Bilderbergs, and the Trilateral Commission.

I've been able to confirm some of these connections through Lucis Trust's involvement in the Windsor International Bank and Trust Company, where on its site, the Windsor Bank plainly states that its "a Member of, Advisor to, Affiliate of, Friend of, Benefactor of, or Contributor to, the following Organizations, to name several:"

International Fund For Development
The Hall Family Foundation
The Rockefeller Foundation
WHO/Habitat For Humanity
The Lucis Trust (NGO); United Nations
National Resources Defense Council
Capital Missions Company
Investors Circle
The Coca-Cola Foundation
Fellowship For International Education
International Monetary Agency
International Center For Educational Advancement
Christian Children's Fund (Worldwide)
BAMPAC (Black America's Political Action)
Fellowship For Reconciliation
National Institute For the Advancement Of Science
International Association For Environmental Cooperation
World Wildlife Federation
Council On Foreign Relations (CFR)
CARICOM
NAFTA
MERCOSOR
Council Of Emerging Nations
Freedom Communications, Inc.
The European Institute (Foreign Affairs Magazine)
United Nations Association of The USA
The NAACP (National Association of Colored People)
The Royal Heritage Charitable Relief Fund"

learn more here.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_lucytrust04.htm

The new-age movement consists of very basic truths mixed with very tricky and disempowering lies and the ommisions of very important info and techniques...another clever control system like any other religion..

[Hiram]

Shiva, you always astound me with the massive amount of data that you present.

Thank you for sharing what you have with the forum. It doesn't fall on deaf ears:-)

[cloud9]

Hi Shiva,
I've always seen your posts against new age but I don't read them because I've never had any interest in it.
This time I'd like to ask you please explain to me what exactly is new age? Is it the same as metaphysics? What's the difference or similarity?

If it's not too much to ask, can you please give me a nice explanation that is not copy and paste? I'd rather read a simple explanation that pages and pages of bla bla because as with any subject it can be quite extensive.

Thank you in advance.

[dmarie]

Great post, Shiva!

I did a similar research on the subject which lead me to dismantling of beliefs ....it was a wild ride.

So many channelers now are trying to sell the NWO movement so hard and it just blows me away that it's being eaten up by so many. I've tried to open the eyes of other "lightworkers", however, they seem totally oblivious to what's going on.

I also see how this could back-fire on tptb if people can awaken from this "trance" state they have fallen into.

[161803398]

''When the white man first came to Australia, he had the bible and we had the land. He said let us close our eyes and pray, we did, and when we opened our eyes... we had the bible and he had the land.''

Now, I like that quotation, BUT I think it doesn't matter whether you say "bible" or "koran" or whatever religious text you want to put into that concept. So, I don't mean to imply a criticism of Christianity or any other religion. What I do mean to say is this: WE get caught up easily in questions of religion. For instance, in discussions about the NWO people say that THEY are Satanists. Then you can go into a long analysis about that and its all very interesting. HOWEVER, I have three points to make here:
1. these wealthy people aren't any religion; they don't frigging believe in anything but MONEY so we can try to figure then out from a religious point of view until we drop and it will be all very interesting and take up a great deal of time and we all get to lose our focus because at the bottom of it all; they believe in NOTHING but right here, right now and how much money they have in their offshore bank accounts;
2. they give US the religion for purposes of manipulation and maybe its a trade off. I mean we are so obviously fascinated with religion it gives us something to take our minds off the fact that all our money is being ripped off and we are working like slaves.
3. While we are thinking of our nice religious ideas, we aren't thinking street smart.

Having said that, I do have questions about the Theosophical Sociiety. I've been watching them for many years. IN the 80s I saw Benjamin Creme talking on prime time TV three nights in a row about how Christ was back on earth. He said it was Matreiyah (spelling?). He's a great speaker. I was surprised because if you listened to him long enough you would start to believe him. What I thought of later though was this: Where TF did the Theosophical society get the money to pay for that. (the only Theosophical society I knew was two little old ladies in the office next to mine in an old heritage building -- didn't seem to have any money....and then BLAM Benjamin Creme on prime time). Now the other thing is this: Zeitgeist is at least in part based on Jordan Maxwell, who, as far as I know is a theosophist. (Madam Blavatsky as far as I know hated Christianity) So where does all this lead and does it matter. My mother was an animist. I believe in all religions. Does it matter except from the point of view that it distracts people from the real issues which is these FAT NWO Assholes screwing around with our heads and our bank accounts....not to mentioned deliberately destroying the environment.

[starsmoonmtns]

Dear Shiva, I hope my posting this in your thread is okay... it is a beautiful/touching true story. If not, let me know and I will delete it.... PS Thanks for this thread!

~CAUGHT BETWEEN TWO WORLDS~

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AN INDIAN FATHER PLEADS WITH HIS SON'S TEACHER TO RECOGNIZE THE BOY'S CULTURAL TRADITION AND PERSONAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

Dear teacher,
I would like to introduce you to my son, Wind-Wolf. He is probably what you would consider a typical Indian kid. He was born and raised on the reservation. He has black hair, dark brown eyes, an an olive complexion. And like so many Indian children his age, he is shy and quiet in the classroom. He is 5 years old, in kindergarten, and I can't understand why you have already labeled him a "slow learner."
At the age of 5, he has already been through quite an education compared with his peers in Western society. As his first introduction into this world, he was bonded to his mother and to the Mother Earth in a traditional native childbirth ceremony. And he has been continuously cared for by his mother, father, sister, cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents, and extended tribal family since this ceremony.
From his mother's warm and loving arms, Wind-Wolf was placed in a secure and specially designed Indian baby basket. His father and the medicine elders conducted another ceremony with him that served to bond him with the essence of his genetic father, the Great Spirit, the Grandfather Sun, and the Grandmother Moon. This was all done in order to introduce him properly into the new and natural world, not the world of artificiality, and to protect his sensitive and delicate soul. It is our people's way of showing the newborn respect, ensuring that he starts his life on the path of spirituality.
The traditional Indian baby basket became his "turtle's shell" and served as the first seat for his classroom. He was strapped in for safety, protected from injury by the willow roots and hazel wood construction. The basket was made by a tribal elder who had gathered her materials with prayer and in a ceremonial way. It is the same kind of basket that our people have used for thousands of years. It is specially designed to provide the child with the kind of knowledge and experience he will need in order to survive in his culture and environment.
Wind-Wolf was strapped in snugly with a deliberate restriction upon his arms and legs. Although you in Western society may argue that such a method serves to hinder motor-skill developement and abstract reasoning, we believe it forces the child to first develop his intuitive faculties, rational intellect, symbolic thinking, and five senses. Wind-Wolf was with his mother constantly, closely bonded physically, as she carried him on her back or held him in front while breastfeeding. She carried him everywhere she went, and every night he slept with both parents. Because of this, Wind-Wolf's educational setting was not only a "secure" environment, but it was also very colorful, complicated, sensitive, and diverse. He has been with his mother at the ocean at daybreak when she made her prayers and gathered fresh seaweed from the rocks, he has sat with his uncles in a rowboat on the river while they fished with gill nets, and he has listened to elders as they told creation stories and animal legends and sang songs around the campfires.
He has attended the sacred and ancient White Deerskin Dance of his people and is well-acquainted with the cultures and languages of other tribes. He has been with his mother when she gathered herbs for healing and watched his tribal aunts and grandmothers gather and prepare tradtional foods such as acorn, smoked salmon, eel, and deer meat. He has played with abalone shells, pine nuts, iris grass string, and leather while watching the women make beaded jewelry and traditional native regalia. He has had many opportunities to watch his father, uncles,and ceremonial leaders use different kinds of colorful feathers and sing different kinds of songs while preparing for the sacred dances and rituals.
As he grew older, Wind-Wolf began to crawl out of the baby basket, develop his motor skills, and explore the world around him. When frightened or sleepy, he could always return to the basket, as a turtle withdraws into its shell. Such an inward journey allows one to reflect in privacy on what he has learned and to carry the new knowledge deeply into the unconscious and the soul. Shapes, sizes, colors, texture, sound, smell, feeling, taste, and the learning process are therefore functionallly integrated - the physical and spiritual, matter and energy, conscious and unconscious, individual and social.
This kind of learning goes beyond the basics of distinguishing the difference between rough and smooth, square and round, hard and soft, black and white, similarities and extremes.
For example, Wind-Wolf was with his mother in South Dakota while she danced for seven days straight in the hot sun, fasting, and piercing herself in the sacred Sun Dance Ceremony of a distant tribe. He has been doctored in a number of different healing ceremonies by medicine men and women from diverse places ranging from Alaska and Arizona to New York and California. He has been in more than 20 different sacred sweat-lodge rituals - used by native tribes to purify mind, body, and soul-since he was 3 years old, and he has already been exposed to many different religions of his racial brothers: Protestant, Catholic, Asian Buddhist, and Tibetan Lamaist.
It takes a long time to absorb and reflect on these kinds of experiences, so maybe that is why you think my Indian child is a slow learner. His aunts and grandmothers taught him to count and know his numbers while they sorted out the complex materials used to make the abstract designs in the native baskets. He listened to his mother count each and every bead and sort out numerically according to color while she painstakingly made complex beaded pelts and necklaces. He learned his basic numbers by helping his father count and sort the rocks for a medicine sweat, say, or 13 for the summer solstice ceremony. (The rocks are later heated and doused with water to create purifying steam.) And he was taught to learn mathematics by counting the sticks we use in our traditional native hand game. So I realize he may be slow in grasping the methods and tools that you are now using in your classroom, ones quite familiar to his white peers, but I hope you will be patient with him. It takes time to adjust to a new cultural system and learn new things.
He is not culturally "disadvantaged," but he is culturally "different." If you ask him how many months there are in a year, he will probably tell you 13. He will respond this way not because he doesn't know how to count properly, but because he has been taught by our traditional people that there are 13 full moons in a year according to the native tribal calendar and that there are really 13 planets in our solar system and 13 tail feathers on a perfectly balanced eagle, the most powerful kind of bird used in ceremony and healing.
But he also knows that some eagles may only have 12 tail feathers, or seven, that they do not all have the same number. He knows that the flicker has exactly 10 tail feathers; that they are red and black, representing the directions of east and west, life and death; and that this bird is considered a "fire" bird, a power used in native doctoring and healing. He can probably count more than 40 different kinds of birds, tell you and his peers what kind of bird each is and where it lives, the seasons in which it appears, and how it is used in a sacred ceremony. He may have trouble writing his name on a piece of paper, but he knows how to say it and many other things in several different Indian languages. He is not fluent yet because he is only 5 years old and required by law to attend your educational system, learn your language, your values, your ways of thinking, and your methods of teaching and learning.
So you see, all of these influences together make him somewhat shy and quiet- and perhaps "slow" according to your standards. But if Wind-Wolf was not prepared for his first tentative foray into your world, neither were you appreciative of his culture. On the first day of class, you had difficulty with his name. You wanted to call him Wind, insisting that Wolf somehow must be his middle name. The students in the class laughed at him, causing further embarrassment.
While you are trying to teach him your new methods, helping him learn new tools for self-discovery and adapt to his new learning environment, he may be looking out the window as if daydreaming. Why? Because he has been taught to watch and study the changes in nature. It is hard for him to make the appropriate psychic switch from the right to the left hemisphere of the brain when he sees the leaves turning bright colors, the geese heading south, and the squirrels scurrying around for nuts to get ready for a harsh winter. In his heart,in his young mind, and almost by instinct, he knows that this is the time of year he is supposed to be with his people gathering and preparing fish, deer meat, and native plants and herbs, and learning his assigned tasks in this role. He is caught between two worlds, torn by two distinct cultural systems.
Yesterday, for the third time in two weeks, he came home crying and said he wanted to have his hair cut. He said he doesn't have any friends at school because they make fun of his long hair. I tried to explain to him that in our culture, long hair is a sign of masculinity and balance and is a source of power. But he remained adamant in his position.
To make matters worse, he recently encountered his first harsh case of racism. Wind-Wolf had managed to adopt at least one good school friend. On the way home from school one day, he asked his new pal if he wanted to come home to play with him until supper. That was OK with Wind-Wolf's mother, who was walking with them. When they all got to the little friend's house, the two boys ran inside to ask permission while Wind-Wolf's mother waited. But the other boy's mother lashed out: "It is OK if you have to play with him at school, but we don't allow those kind of people in our house!" When my wife asked why not, the other boy's mother answered, "Because you are Indians, and we are white, and I don't want my kids growing up with your kind of people."
So now my young Indian child does not want to go to school anymore (even though we cut his hair). He feels that he does not belong. He is the only Indian child in your class, and he is well aware of this fact. Instead of being proud of his race, heritage, and culture, he feels ashamed. When he watches television, he asks why the white people hate us so much and always kill our people in the movies and why they take everything away from us. He asks why the other kids in school are not taught about the power, beauty, and essence of nature or provided with an opportunity to experience the world around them firsthand. He says he hates living in the city and that he misses his Indian cousins and friends. He asks why one young white girl at school who is his friend always tells him "I like you, Wind-Wolf, because you are a good Indian."
Now he refuses to sing his native songs, play with his Indian artifacts, learn his language, or participate in his sacred ceremonies. When I ask him to go to a powwow or help me with a sacred sweat-lodge ritual, he says no because "that's weird," and he doesn't want his friends at school to think he doesn't believe in God.
So, dear teacher, I want to introduce you to my son, Wind-Wolf, who is not really a "typical" little Indian kid after all. He stems from a long line of hereditary chiefs, medicine men and women, and ceremonial leaders whose accomplishments and unique forms of knowledge are still being studied and recorded in contemporary books. He has seven different tribal systems flowing through his blood; he is even part white. I want my child to succeed in school and in life. I don't want him to be a dropout or juvenile delinquent or to end up on drugs and alcohol because he is made to feel inferior or because of discrimination. I want him to be proud of his rich heritage and culture, and I would like him to develop the necessary capabilities to adapt to, and succeed in, both cultures. But I need your help.
What you say and what you do in the classroom, what you teach and how you teach it, and what you don't say and don't teach will have a significant effect on the potential success or failure of my child. Please remember that this is the primary year of his education and development. All I ask is that you work with me, not against me, to help educate my child in the best way. If you don't have the knowledge, preparation, experience, or training to effectively deal with culturally different children, I am willing to help you with the few resources I have, or direct you to such resources.
Millions of dollars have been appopriated by Congress and are being spent each year for "Indian Education." All you have to do is take advantage of it and encourage your school to make an effort to use it in the name of "equal education." My Indian child has a constitutional right to learn, retain and maintain his heritage and culture. By the same token, I strongly believe that non-Indian children also have a constitutional right to learn about our Native American heritage and culture because Indians play a significant part in the history of Western society. Until this reality is equally understood and applied in education as a whole, there will be a lot more schoolchildren in grades K-2 identified as "slow learners."
My son is not an empty glass coming into your class to be filled. He is a full basket coming into a different environment and society with something special to share. Please let him share his knowledge, heritage, and culture with you and his peers.

Robert Lake (Medicine GrizzlyBear) A member of the Seneca and Cherokee Indian Tribes.
From Teacher Magazine, September 1990
He was an associate professor at Gonzaga University's School of Education in Spokane, Washington; when this was written.


A special thank you goes out to my teacher and mentor Dr. Henrietta Mann (Full Blooded Southern Cheyenne) for a copy of this essay. Peace to you always.

[161803398]

Having said all that, there a couple of things I have started to wonder about. Its related to the fact they call it Lucis. Now, why TF do they ALWAYS refer everything to LUCIFER. My other observation relating to religion is this: I think it is important for us to be able to distinguish between ideas, concepts, things, people, objects, events, whatever and etc that move our energy up and help us become creative, productive, healthy happy people; and those that draw our energies down and make us ill -- things you might call inherently, evil. I think we need to be able to make those distinctions clearly.

[ThePythonicCow]

Shiva, you always astound me with the massive amount of data that you present.

Thank you for sharing what you have with the forum. It doesn't fall on deaf ears:-)

Well said, Hiram. Thanks, Shiva

[Lord Sidious]

Having said all that, there a couple of things I have started to wonder about. Its related to the fact they call it Lucis. Now, why TF do they ALWAYS refer everything to LUCIFER. My other observation relating to religion is this: I think it is important for us to be able to distinguish between ideas, concepts, things, people, objects, events, whatever and etc that move our energy up and help us become creative, productive, healthy happy people; and those that draw our energies down and make us ill -- things you might call inherently, evil. I think we need to be able to make those distinctions clearly.

If illuminati means enlightened ones and lucifer is the light bearer, what is hard to grasp about that?

[Siberia9]

Well Im glad somebody said it. This remindes me of those Club of Rome documents where they said somthing about how they were going to make a new religion for the world, 'a green religion'. I was taught as a child that the people wanted to be led and taken care of, and would believe what ever they were told to believe. All that was needed is to give them a few false choices that have the same result. The only way to prevent this is to NOT form group beliefs systems, as they will be infiltrated and begin to be filled with dis-info etc. So now what do we do? the mass's want to be fed like cattle, so will they be our cattle? NO. Will they let us be rouge cattle? NO. Rockerfellers and their ilk funded and speak of how great Pol Pot was. He killed anyone who was intelligent. In the Americas the slaves were killed if they learned to read for example. WE are the problem, so they have two options. WE will be the ones going to the re-education camps. Unless they can provide another belief system for us to engage in that of course suites them and has purpose. It all boils down to Agenda 21 for us where they only keep around the ones that they can use, and an out in the open tyrannical One World Govt for them. That is exactly where this is going unless we have a masive shift and some changes in the rules that govern this deminsion. On the other hand what do I know...its just how I see it anyway

[shiva777]

cloud9 wrote "Hi Shiva,
I've always seen your posts against new age but I don't read them because I've never had any interest in it.
This time I'd like to ask you please explain to me what exactly is new age? Is it the same as metaphysics? What's the difference or similarity?

If it's not too much to ask, can you please give me a nice explanation that is not copy and paste? I'd rather read a simple explanation that pages and pages of bla bla because as with any subject it can be quite extensive.

Thank you in advance. "

the "new age movement" has become the NWO religion that has been set up by FALLEN entities to make people feel happier in their prisons but not to free them from their prisons..or even recognise that there are many entities building the prisons bigger and stronger around them.

The roots of the new-age religion come from Blavatsky and her channeling and interactions with the "great white brotherhood"...that's when all these SO-CALLED "ascended masters" such as St germain,el morya,kuthumi etc were introduced and mixed with Fallen beings from other religions such as AA Michael and YHWH and Fallen ET collectives (galactic federation of Light,ashtar command etc) ...spreading lots of basic truths mixed with distortions and omissions..and that continues to this day.Those "ascended masters" are NOT truly ascended masters they just managed to "graduate" from one level of the deception in to another and acquired some powers and abilities on the way that makes most people think they are "ascended" or awakened...abilities mean very little,awareness means everything.


The new age movement is designed to take the place of religions as people became disillusioned with them and others are no longer interested...it's the same program of pacification through "divine" messages and promises,saviour scenarios,group "lightwork" which is easily steered to serve dark purposes etc,etc

IT IS THE INTENDED NEW WORLD RELIGION based on a "unity and oneness" that serves the ONE WORLD ORDER...designed to keep people ignorant and happy in their prisons.A movement of Pacification and complacency and hoping for some date or "saviour" to free them(2012 and mass landings of ET's and beings such as Maitreya etc,distorted geometry teachingand schumann resonance/DNA actvation fallen theories etc

People can't see the deceptions because of the basic truths in most new-agey material...same goes for religions.

so if you are really curious about the new-age movement and it's TRICKY deceptions and entrapments,this is worth a read...many new-agers will find this too long and boring to read and will jump straight back in to their escapist channelings and teachings but it's worth the read.....you will be better equipped to DISCERN the tricks and distortions in most new-agey teachings

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/huntley/esp_huntley_13.htm

http://educate-yourself.org/mnt/realitycreation1part08nov02.shtml

http://wemustknow.net/2010/06/new-age-movement/

[loveandgratitude]

DNA Awakening - Arcturian Key Codes for Evolution
This works better if yo sing along to the words


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3dbKM0nbuQ&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3dbKM0nbuQ&feature=player_embedded

[shiva777]

yeah ..that vid is a perfect example of what I said above "...many new-agers will find this too long and boring to read and will jump straight back in to their escapist channelings and teachings"...many crop circles are made by negative ET's and they are there to mess up your DNA and the earths grids...others aren't.The music alone in that vid will mess up your energies.

[loveandgratitude]

Meditation: Higher Self

Try some lovely relaxation exercises

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5NPx-XbwKg

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Shiva Mahamrityunjaya Mantra

This helps bring peace into your heart

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClxgIS-_X_g&feature=related

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Shiva Mahamrityunjaya Mantra
Helps clears negative blockages to your higher self


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClxgIS-_X_g&feature=related

[loveandgratitude]

monkey 99
Are you monkey 99 or are you the 100th monkey


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klNPVFB3ANw&feature=related

[cloud9]

Thank you very much, Shiva I really appreciate your explanation.

[161803398]

If illuminati means enlightened ones and lucifer is the light bearer, what is hard to grasp about that?

Lucifer is not a pagan; he's a Christian concept ....yes?

Ah... I C....the Roman morning star!...but also can refer to Jesus and the Christians got it mixed up...or so it says on my google search.

I was actually questioning what is their orientation in these references. According to the Theosophists, and this is just my understanding: there are 2K year cycles...and we are leaving the passive Christian age and going into another heroic age. WB Yeats wrote about it in "The Gyres" and "The Second Coming".

[Lord Sidious]

If illuminati means enlightened ones and lucifer is the light bearer, what is hard to grasp about that?

Lucifer is not a pagan; he's a Christian concept ....yes?

Not sure if he is a christian or jewish invention.

[161803398]

Not sure if he is a christian or jewish invention.

I googled it. He's the Roman morning star erroneously interpreted by the Christians to be Satan. Jesus is referred to as the light bearer in Revelations.

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However I am still wondering about the "Gyres" of the Theosophists and the 2K year cycles which, they say are taking us into a new heroic age. It could be something completely unrelated to Illuminati.

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Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

[161803398]

This was the previous heroic Age brought in by the Rape of Leda by a BIG BIRD....hehe...I think it was Zeus.

A sudden blow: the great wings beating still
Above the staggering girl, her thighs caressed
By the dark webs, her nape caught in his bill,
He holds her helpless breast upon his breast.

How can those terrified vague fingers push
The feathered glory from her loosening thighs?
And how can body, laid in that white rush,
But feel the strange heart beating where it lies?

A shudder in the loins engenders there
The broken wall, the burning roof and tower[20]
And Agamemnon dead.

Being so caught up,

So mastered by the brute blood of the air,
Did she put on his knowledge with his power
Before the indifferent beak could let her drop?


Indifferent? Jerk!

[161803398]

According to the Theosophists, civilizations transform in 2K years cycles...or gyres that look like this: >< but they overlap a bit. So the first gyre would be the age of Christianity winding down and the 2nd gyre would be the new heroic age winding up.

....they were hoping for an heroic age anyway.

[161803398]

Helen of Troy popped out of the Egg laid by Leda. This is from Wikipedia: The etymology of Helen's name has been a problem to scholars until the present. Georg Curtius related Helen (Ἑλένη) to the moon (Selene Σελήνη). Émile Boisacq considered Ἑλένη from the noun ἐλένη meaning "torch"

And the Roman name for Zeus was "Jove" who was the Supreme God of the Universe.


So, I guess (but have no clue) the question for the Theosophists or others would be who is going to be the new torch bearer? If it goes man/woman, the next one would be a woman. Just guessing.

Maybe Princess Diana who was sacrificed in the tunnel?


Hmmmm....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Efz3s7QiM8

Candle in the Wind by Elton John tribute to Princess Diana.

[3optic]

Shiva, you always astound me with the massive amount of data that you present.

Thank you for sharing what you have with the forum. It doesn't fall on deaf ears:-)

Agree. We'd like to see Shiva reinstated. It seems he was dismissed unfairly.

[Icecold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ga9WrNYqVY&feature=player_embedded



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdYtoYzR0vU&feature=player_embedded



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZLEKZi14_Q&feature=player_embedded


Alice Bailey-Founder of the Lucifer Publishing Company now known as the Lucis Trust


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geOo2BtOBqg&feature=player_embedded



http://333crucible.wordpress.com/2010/12/19/ex-illuminati-refugee/

[jorr lundstrom]

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/gladagap.jpg

The One World Government orders you to obey the New World Order

and turn your attention and prayers to the New Age Movement:hail::hail::hail:

[loveandgratitude]

Truth lies within ourselves: it takes no rise from outward things, whatever you may believe. There is an inmost center in us all, where truth abides in fullness and to Know rather consists in opening out a way whence the imprisoned splendor may escape than in effecting entry for light supposed to be without. — Robert Browning

[Fred259]

Shiva, you always astound me with the massive amount of data that you present.

Thank you for sharing what you have with the forum. It doesn't fall on deaf ears:-)

Agree. We'd like to see Shiva reinstated. It seems he was dismissed unfairly.


Why was he dismissed?

[3optic]

Shiva, you always astound me with the massive amount of data that you present.

Thank you for sharing what you have with the forum. It doesn't fall on deaf ears:-)

Agree. We'd like to see Shiva reinstated. It seems he was dismissed unfairly.

Why was he dismissed?

See here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?18505-Question-for-Those-in-The-Know&p=198498#post198498

And here. Post #136:

http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?1446-Charles-Material-fully-released-by-Kerry-Cassidy/page7

[Fred259]

Something must have upset him. However his remarks were fractious, IMHO

[linz2d]

The NWO and New Age movement connection sounds like a pair of rusty old balls to me. How I see it, it is more like we have some Evangelical Christians pointing the finger and saying, "Look, there is a connection between the NWO and the New Age Movement therefore the New Age Movement must be a tool of the NWO and it must be evil." I myself can also say that there are connections to Christianity and Judaism to the NWO... surely those religions must be evil too?

Belief systems and religions are not the problem it is how individuals or groups direct their beliefs which it the main point of concern and we have had a few genocides in past which back up this fact... all in the name of God. As for the NWO introducing a New Age Religion as a way to rule over the masses, I doubt it and the masses would not easily adopt it, it would be far more logical to manipulate a major mainstream religion like Islam or Christianity or rather remove religion all together through atheism. Well this may be already happening.

So I believe that the only real thing the New World Order has in common with the New Age Movement is the word "New "

[9eagle9]

Take a hard look at precepts of the New Age Movememt. That will involve a lot of reading and studying but a pattern will arise and if you are very well read in old grimoires, religions, mythos, alchemical philosophy, new religions, earth religionsyou will start to see how its all traced back to an original central source. This is a very intricate web that's been woven, and it takes some time to unravel it. They all are traced back to the usual core religious beliefs . Some people dusted them off, relabaled them with some light fluffy name and presented them as something new. There is no difference in the 'occult' practices that the PTB use and your usual experienced magickal practitioner. What its used for is what makes the difference. I use the same means as the PTB to create circumstances. I just don't use my adept ability to control the world. I used it to create circumstances in my environment including keeping the PTB out of it. Why? Cause I think their evil? No I think their greedy and imposing on me and I'm not going to be their victim or cash cow. That's all. To me they are no more than some manner of freeloading relative. So is most of the new age bs I hear all the time. its filled with as much judgement, and ego as anything else. It is among the most obnoxious practices I personally have ever witnessed in my life and the emphasis on denial is incredible.

The PTB infilitrate these sorts of practices, and distort them rendering them useless essentially. So people who 'practice spirituality' are just chasing their tails more often than not. Picking and trading beliefs that are basically feel goody but don't do anything like the real high tension uncorrupted means of practice are.

In general the powers that be work their way into our beleif systems, blur it, render it useless until it is nothing but a belief. Harmless to their agenda. They manipulate by replacing and omission. Better yet they let others do it on their behalf. The PTB don't have to do anything they depend on our lack of education in such matters. That's why these people with 'great central truths' aren't shut up and sell billions of book by outlets funded by the PTB, they're doing the PTB work for them. . But people you will never know about are if their message gets a little too widespread.

The PTB has a contingency. The great central truth about existence will always be shot down in favor of some syrupy, do nothing belief system. Question why Shiva777 was given a vacation and you will see what I mean. Probably triggered someone's emotions via some beleif system, some meaningless precept and went by by. The truth doesn't want to be heard so bye bye to whomever edges in too close to that truth which essentially boils down to: It's ALL BS.

Then's theres the misconceptions about beliefs and spirituality. Another misconception that the PTB heartily allows. They have so many savants in the New Age belief systems they don't have to interfer directly. I'm sure I'd get a vacation too for reffering to some folks as Lite Workers.

People who think they are practicing spirituality are usually just beleif hopping.Beliefs and spirituality have nothing to do with each other. Spirituality comes from within not external precepts. Not a book, a guru, nothing. A belief promises 'something' will, maybe, might happen at some future point in time. Spirituality tends to manipulate circumstances right now in the present. It's instant. It's proveable and manifested directly into the physical.. Belief systems ? Meh...sometimes maybe. It's all on faiths and maybes where true spritual powers is defined, instant, and dependable.

The concept of good and evil are a means of manipulating us in general by setting trigger points with our emotions. Beliefs tend to revolve around labels , good and evil, light and dark. Spirituality doesn't.

The PTB have simply arranged it that people are conditioned to believe that spiritual practices and beleif practices are the same thing. They aren't. There's the great central truth. They aren't.

Beliefs in general and the emotional quantatives and self identifications we invest ourselves in are typically what gets us in trouble it doesn't matter what belief system it its. The precept here is that the New Age is 'different' from other beliefs , or better, or more good or more advanced or progressive. Some of it is downright dangerous. Some of it is based on very dark occulitc grimories the Powers that Be use in their occult manipulation and ties you right into the very channel that tunes you susceptible to more conditioning. The most notorious and beloved I can think of that does this , probably unwittingly, is Doreen Virtue. She's popular and she is a programmer. That' the only thing you can call the utter drivel she passes out as spiritual truths--programming. The more programming the more popular it becomes. And the PTB allows it because she is distracting people even further. She's enormously popular especially with young people.

There's nothing 'new' out there. They are identical to old beliefs just named differently. Its just another means by which they can infilitrate and manipulate . However when you step back from all the beliefs new or otherwise there's very little to manipulate one with.

But you can prove it to yourself by reading the material. I see people posting 'channeling' everyday. I have refrained from cataloging its source reference that exists on the local bookstore bookshelf and probably has for thirty years because ...what's the point? People just will say I'm nasty and mean hearted by pointing out the psychosis of the ****. I see sociopathic comments all the time and thats terrible and everything but the moment someone like me nails someone for it I got a vacation for it to. Simply by throwing thier own belief system back in their face so don't think for one moment that PA is immune to it.

Show me some 'original' material belief material and I'll show you its physical source. How gets into the human subconscious to where that person thinks its orginal is just the usual means of manipulation.

There's nothing out in the New Age Arena that is new its just remanufactured old paradigm stuff.

[sandy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ga9WrNYqVY&feature=player_embedded



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdYtoYzR0vU&feature=player_embedded



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZLEKZi14_Q&feature=player_embedded


Alice Bailey-Founder of the Lucifer Publishing Company now known as the Lucis Trust


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geOo2BtOBqg&feature=player_embedded



http://333crucible.wordpress.com/2010/12/19/ex-illuminati-refugee/

Well Icecold,,

After watching these videos and researching the New Age movement agenda re: NWO I have come to this conclusion!

There is so much info or disinfo out there now that it drives the mind mad with no this is the truth, but then if you really thought about it this has to be the truth, oh yah but look so and so who worked for so and so told his story so this is fact and thus must be the truth, yah but look at the history>>>>>>>>>>>>what history the real one or the one yet to be told.................and on we go :-D

The one thing I believe is happening and it is only my little old opinion, is that it is making me take responsibility for my being and for where I am at by checking within constantly for some ring of inner truth.............................hopefully it is happening for many others too and together we can all grow up and become sovereign individuals within our own power who then can come together at least on that realm of all that is or is not!!!

[9eagle9]

There is so much info or disinfo out there now that it drives the mind mad with no this is the truth, but then if you really thought about it this has to be the truth, oh yah but look so and so who worked for so and so

That's part of the way to keep people distracted and chasing their tail.

The one thing I believe is happening and it is only my little old opinion, is that it is making me take responsibility for my being and for where I am at by checking within constantly for some ring of inner truth.

That's what they don't want you to know...lol. the inner truth.. So we have to stop believing and thinking it and really start knowing it as the truth. Problem is what we know and all the insidious little beleif systems we've swallowed over the years start colliding with each other making us doubt our own truth.

And .....When you start taking responsibility for your being people will 1) label you selfish 2) or say you are irresponsible. I say THEY are both because their fear and safety takes all other precedence.

Bottom line is though, the more you have (keep from the government....lol) the more good you can do for others with it for others who truly need some help rather than an entity that is going to sqaunder it on 5000.oo toilet seat. . I save a lot of money by shirking my patriotic duty. Coincidentally I also am able to slide people enough money each month on an individual payment to help the out with a light bill, a rent payment...SOMETHING for Someone.Charity (as it were) becomes real then. Something substantial, something that I can see that helps people even if its just one person. Instead of letting it disappear to the FED and showing up on the other side of the world as a bullet in some Iraqi kid's brain. Realistically where am I doing the most good at?

There shouldn't even be a moral arguement about this knowing what we know:

If Fiat Money is created with with a signature what the hell do you need us for? The most they are going to gouge out of us is X amount of dollars based on their guide lines, with fiat money the sky is the limit.

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I got off topic and responded to the wrong post. I'll move it as soon as I remember where it belongs.....

[linz2d]

The main problem is what we define as being New Age, an example is someone into yoga and who likes to meditate can be defined as having new age beliefs. "New Age" is an umbrella term for the extensive amount of beliefs systems comprised of other beliefs and religions, it is so vast and so varied that it can only have an umbrella term. Again I do not deny the PTB have their hands in some New Age organisation but that is no different from anything else as they have their hands everywhere. As for the Occult I will say that the Occult is only the Occult to those who believe in the Occult. And what Christians consider as being the occult has been practised since before Christianity ever existed. I am not saying that it not to be feared because again the Occult covers a wide range of subjects, but it is not good and it is not evil. It must be compared to fire and the saying if you play with fire you are likely to get burned but then again I use fire to keep me warm and to cook my food.

[sandy]

Hey 9eagle9,

I'm on the same track as you regarding the distraction, taking personal responsibility and how others respond to you doing that, the government and so on>>>>>>>>>great post...................you rock!

[9eagle9]

A yoga practitioner could be defined as having new age beliefs but yoga isn't new. It's not really a belief either. It's a practice. Meditation is a practice not a belief. It may clear your mind but your mind and spirit aren't the same thing.

If the intent is to clear one's mind you could achieve it faster by sniffing ether. The difference between the two is hair splitting. One is perceived as good and one is perceived as bad when both are bringing the same result and neither has anything to do with spirituality. So while both, yoga and meditation, COULD fall under the new age umbrella they do so because of people's ignorance about both. People tend to form beliefs around the practice. Some educated questioning will cause most of our new age 'truths' to crumble.

Occult is simply a series of causes and reactions, a practice, that occur in our natural world directed by our mind or intention. Or sometimes spontaneously if conditions are right. It has nothing to do with one's spirit which is what the term spirituality indicates. But we have been swayed to that area where thinking and doing are spirituality when they are just facets of beleif systems.A belief is a thought essentially. People formed beliefs around the practice known as occult the same way they did yoga and meditation and someone decided this huge yawning and flawed schism should have a blanket term of new age.

Spirituality can be proven. Beliefs can't. Occult can be proven. The beliefs around it can't because they are composed of something that has nothing to do with the occult.

I could believe the sun will rise tomorrow and I tend to believe that to be true but I know that I'm incorrect. The sun has never risen and I and a million other people can prove it.

That occult is defined as good or evil is dependent on someone's belief system or more likely their ignorance. Even the intentions attached to the occult are as meaningless as the assignments of good and evil. It just is what it is. I'm sure the PTB think they are entitled and are as good or correct to use occult practices for world domination as as I think I'm entitled to use it for various practical purposes around the house and garden but I don't confuse it with spirituality. But those thoughts are still just a belief and beliefs tend to be somewhat useless in my honest opinion.

What I do know and what is demonstrated to me daily is that new age beliefs have as much eltism in them as the PTB has demonstrated to possess.

I worked on this woman's knee last week and her son got interested in what I was doing and wanted to try it for himself. He had the notion he could do it so....So I said well...just do it then. This person I doubt would be given any awards for good conduct in old or new paradigms. Fringe alcoholic, what may be perceived as overly interested in psychotic substances, racist, casual and numerous sexual encounters etc etc. But he has the touch. And a belief system didn't put it there. The fact he has no knowledge or beliefs about touch healing is probably what accounted for his little just out of the starting gate knack. He healed his ankle to the extent he hasn't had in any pain in it since. Neither did he think he was gifted or special or holy in anyway.

The fact that he can do that irks people. It irks them that "I taught him, of all people, to do touch healing' I didn't teach him anything, he just did it on his own. What am I supposed to say, don't heal your own ankle? Then they were irked I told him to just do it. Like I could prevent it. The implication is that I sullied the holiness of touch healing by teaching or showing this ingrate how to do it. I know its just soooo unfair, right? But why? Because of the beleif systems people create around such things.

In spite of his surface ...erm...conditions he seems to be exhibiting what I feel to be the true expression of spirituality. Lack of beliefs. So then 'they' accused me of enjoying this whole episode and their own discomfiture surrounding it.

Well...I can't deny that. It's rather refreshing actually . Of course i have an 'evil' streak in me so.....

[linz2d]

While I admit that meditation is practise, I do not deny that there is a connection through this practise to spirituality as I have discovered my spiritual side through clearing my mind. It is the same with beliefs and spiritual texts as they give hints to discovering ones own spiritual side, a starting point or a guide if you will. Ones owns spirituality can only be discovered by the individual and what is defined as spiritual may have a different meaning from person to person.

We are all spiritual beings yet most of us forget and even deny this fact. But if someone uses New Age beliefs to discover their spiritual side then I do not see anything wrong with it, to me it is the same as someone finding their spiritual side in the Bible. As for the occult practises, while they may not be spiritual we cannot deny the spiritual impact they can have on an individual.

As for Elitism all religions have it. Everyone looks to the spiritual leader for guidance whether it be the guru or the priest or the rabbi, they themselves are the elite. This is why I personal choose to walk my own spiritual path rather than it being dictated to me through a sermon.

[9eagle9]

Okay. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm quoting from your material....

We know we are spiritual beings but then ..... we must discover our spiritual side?

How do we discover something that was never missing? If we KNOW we are spiritual what exactly are we trying to discover?

If we are discovering something it must be an unknown quantitative, so if its previously unknown how do we know when we discover it? By the descriptions given to us in new age material? What if they aren't trustworthy.? What happens? What change occurs from when we weren't spiritual to 'now we are.' Something must manifest or change to prove to us that we have discovered spirit? If its something that can't be denied but we still have to discover how does it prove itself as spirit rather than another facet of ourselves? And if its something that exists inside of us and we have to discover it in spite of the fact then..... what is hiding it? How do we find something INSIDE of us, in something that is external from us ?

That is making the assumption that we are all the same and the same criteria applies to everyone but on the same breath another belief is intimated that we are all different. If we are all different and beliefs essentially have the same core value how is that going to work? Does spirit need a belief? Why?

How does anything like an occult practice effect a change in something that is reported to be unchangeable. Is our spirit broken that it must be altered, fixed, or otherwise have something applied to it to fix it? Or is it perfect as the next set of books and materials will tell us. Are we finding actual spirituality or are we finding something else to entertain one's mind so they think they are being spiritual? And yes most religions and new age beliefs are elitist in nature so when we discover our spirit in these materials does that mean our spirit is rather elitist too? And the beliefs that lead us to spirit, what happens to them after we have found spirit?

The very basic premise in healing is that from a beleif people create very real facets of themselves that serve to keep people from knowing who and what they really are. So if a belief can create these facets, its very easy to create a role of a 'spiritual' side with us. But is it really our spirit? Is authenticity being taken out of the equation?

Indoctrination that has been used for eons is that someone must use a belief to find their spiritual side. If a shadow self can be created by our conscious and core beliefs than a pseudo spirit can too. Which is the intention of the materials that are pumped out there. To make us uncertain as to what is authentically spiritual. Is the spirit so uncertain that it holds core values that oppose each other. Or imperfect to where it needs a practice or beleif to fix it? Or is it perfect now?

All of this new age material, Old age material, beliefs and sheavss of information emphasize that we need to do something to fix ourselves to be spiritual. Meditate because your mind is wrong, fix your chakras, fix your meridians, fix your Kundalini, correct your thoughts, be positive always there's a sly initiation there that something is wrong with us that needs correction. CORRECTION facilities is called. Facilitating correction. A correction facility is for all intents and purposes ...a prison. We KNOW that. Why don't we see it in our spiritual materials these little prisons.

But what needs to be fixed. The spirit?

Maybe nothing needs to be fixed but something needs to be broken? Because most materials implicate the soul must be discovered as if its lost. On the other hand the spirit is perfect so how did it get lost. Or this perfection must be soothed, balmed or salved, or saved. How does one perfect something that is already perfect? And if its not perfect why do we spend so much time looking for something that is just as screwed up as anything else?

Hard questions but if the belief is truth, it can stand up to some hard questioning.

[Lord Sidious]

Okay. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm quoting from your material....

We know we are spiritual beings but then ..... we must discover our spiritual side?

How do we discover something that was never missing? If we KNOW we are spiritual what exactly are we trying to discover?

If we are discovering something it must be an unknown quantitative, so if its previously unknown how do we know when we discover it? By the descriptions given to us in new age material? What if they aren't trustworthy.? What happens? What change occurs from when we weren't spiritual to 'now we are.' Something must manifest or change to prove to us that we have discovered spirit? If its something that can't be denied but we still have to discover how does it prove itself as spirit rather than another facet of ourselves? And if its something that exists inside of us and we have to discover it in spite of the fact then..... what is hiding it? How do we find something INSIDE of us, in something that is external from us ?

That is making the assumption that we are all the same and the same criteria applies to everyone but on the same breath another belief is intimated that we are all different. If we are all different and beliefs essentially have the same core value how is that going to work? Does spirit need a belief? Why?

How does anything like an occult practice effect a change in something that is reported to be unchangeable. Is our spirit broken that it must be altered, fixed, or otherwise have something applied to it to fix it? Or is it perfect as the next set of books and materials will tell us. Are we finding actual spirituality or are we finding something else to entertain one's mind so they think they are being spiritual? And yes most religions and new age beliefs are elitist in nature so when we discover our spirit in these materials does that mean our spirit is rather elitist too? And the beliefs that lead us to spirit, what happens to them after we have found spirit?

The very basic premise in healing is that from a beleif people create very real facets of themselves that serve to keep people from knowing who and what they really are. So if a belief can create these facets, its very easy to create a role of a 'spiritual' side with us. But is it really our spirit? Is authenticity being taken out of the equation?

Indoctrination that has been used for eons is that someone must use a belief to find their spiritual side. If a shadow self can be created by our conscious and core beliefs than a pseudo spirit can too. Which is the intention of the materials that are pumped out there. To make us uncertain as to what is authentically spiritual. Is the spirit so uncertain that it holds core values that oppose each other. Or imperfect to where it needs a practice or beleif to fix it? Or is it perfect now?

All of this new age material, Old age material, beliefs and sheavss of information emphasize that we need to do something to fix ourselves to be spiritual. Meditate because your mind is wrong, fix your chakras, fix your meridians, fix your Kundalini, correct your thoughts, be positive always there's a sly initiation there that something is wrong with us that needs correction. CORRECTION facilities is called. Facilitating correction. A correction facility is for all intents and purposes ...a prison. We KNOW that. Why don't we see it in our spiritual materials these little prisons.

But what needs to be fixed. The spirit?

Maybe nothing needs to be fixed but something needs to be broken? Because most materials implicate the soul must be discovered as if its lost. On the other hand the spirit is perfect so how did it get lost. Or this perfection must be soothed, balmed or salved, or saved. How does one perfect something that is already perfect? And if its not perfect why do we spend so much time looking for something that is just as screwed up as anything else?

Hard questions but if the belief is truth, it can stand up to some hard questioning.

A couple of years ago, I played a pc game called Knights of the Old Republic. In the game, you play a force sensitive individual who has lost his/her memory and as you level up, you choose a skill to gain, but the game says you remembered it, you didn't learn it.
I think that goes for this too.
We knew the deal before we came here, but because we are in the game, we have to ''learn'' that which we already know.

[linz2d]

Okay. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm quoting from your material....

We know we are spiritual beings but then ..... we must discover our spiritual side?

How do we discover something that was never missing? If we KNOW we are spiritual what exactly are we trying to discover?


Your quoting but never did I say that most people “know” that they are spiritual beings, I said we are all spiritual beings, it is my point of view that I am expressing, others may take a different point of view.

After reading through your post is only confirms to me what I had written in my previous post


Ones owns spirituality can only be discovered by the individual and what is defined as spiritual may have a different meaning from person to person.

In other words your ideas of the spirit and spirituality differ from my own, an example of this is that I believe that our spirits are not perfect and far from it, there are many other points where I take a different stand from you. There is nothing wrong with individuals having different views on the same subject. For you, your spirituality is your truth, however for me my spirituality is different. We are all different and yet at the same time the same.

[9eagle9]

Your quoting but never did I say that most people “know” that they are spiritual beings, I said we are all spiritual beings


Okay forget everyone else.... How do you know that?

that I believe that our spirits are not perfect

Is that a belief or is that in the other arena of knowing? Again I'd have to ask what is the point of chasing some flawed facet of ourselves?



We are all different and yet at the same time the same.

What part of us is composed of composite differences and what portion is the same?

I'm asking you this because I want to know how you arrived at these conclusions.

[9eagle9]

I suspect most of the truth about ourselves on an individual basis is more a game of remembering than learning. Learning tends to just get you further away from what you need to remember.

Jean Auels sexy caveman romp books were composed around a race of neanderthals who had racial, sex differentiated memories and they only needed to be reminded as the occasion rose.






Okay. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm quoting from your material....

We know we are spiritual beings but then ..... we must discover our spiritual side?

How do we discover something that was never missing? If we KNOW we are spiritual what exactly are we trying to discover?

If we are discovering something it must be an unknown quantitative, so if its previously unknown how do we know when we discover it? By the descriptions given to us in new age material? What if they aren't trustworthy.? What happens? What change occurs from when we weren't spiritual to 'now we are.' Something must manifest or change to prove to us that we have discovered spirit? If its something that can't be denied but we still have to discover how does it prove itself as spirit rather than another facet of ourselves? And if its something that exists inside of us and we have to discover it in spite of the fact then..... what is hiding it? How do we find something INSIDE of us, in something that is external from us ?

That is making the assumption that we are all the same and the same criteria applies to everyone but on the same breath another belief is intimated that we are all different. If we are all different and beliefs essentially have the same core value how is that going to work? Does spirit need a belief? Why?

How does anything like an occult practice effect a change in something that is reported to be unchangeable. Is our spirit broken that it must be altered, fixed, or otherwise have something applied to it to fix it? Or is it perfect as the next set of books and materials will tell us. Are we finding actual spirituality or are we finding something else to entertain one's mind so they think they are being spiritual? And yes most religions and new age beliefs are elitist in nature so when we discover our spirit in these materials does that mean our spirit is rather elitist too? And the beliefs that lead us to spirit, what happens to them after we have found spirit?

The very basic premise in healing is that from a beleif people create very real facets of themselves that serve to keep people from knowing who and what they really are. So if a belief can create these facets, its very easy to create a role of a 'spiritual' side with us. But is it really our spirit? Is authenticity being taken out of the equation?

Indoctrination that has been used for eons is that someone must use a belief to find their spiritual side. If a shadow self can be created by our conscious and core beliefs than a pseudo spirit can too. Which is the intention of the materials that are pumped out there. To make us uncertain as to what is authentically spiritual. Is the spirit so uncertain that it holds core values that oppose each other. Or imperfect to where it needs a practice or beleif to fix it? Or is it perfect now?

All of this new age material, Old age material, beliefs and sheavss of information emphasize that we need to do something to fix ourselves to be spiritual. Meditate because your mind is wrong, fix your chakras, fix your meridians, fix your Kundalini, correct your thoughts, be positive always there's a sly initiation there that something is wrong with us that needs correction. CORRECTION facilities is called. Facilitating correction. A correction facility is for all intents and purposes ...a prison. We KNOW that. Why don't we see it in our spiritual materials these little prisons.

But what needs to be fixed. The spirit?

Maybe nothing needs to be fixed but something needs to be broken? Because most materials implicate the soul must be discovered as if its lost. On the other hand the spirit is perfect so how did it get lost. Or this perfection must be soothed, balmed or salved, or saved. How does one perfect something that is already perfect? And if its not perfect why do we spend so much time looking for something that is just as screwed up as anything else?

Hard questions but if the belief is truth, it can stand up to some hard questioning.

A couple of years ago, I played a pc game called Knights of the Old Republic. In the game, you play a force sensitive individual who has lost his/her memory and as you level up, you choose a skill to gain, but the game says you remembered it, you didn't learn it.
I think that goes for this too.
We knew the deal before we came here, but because we are in the game, we have to ''learn'' that which we already know.

[MariaDine]

What a salad , Shiva ! All the info is mixed. The correct with the incorrect.

There are ETs and there are »energy guides».

New age movement like any other mass movent can be «recruited« or manipulated.

The search for the veracity in the any tecnical, spiritual, etc teachings has to be done by each individual. People have a head and have to (learn how) use it. They need to read more and STUDY A LOT if they want to find some answers to really important questions.

With Marx we have learned that any belief sistem -and not only religion/s - can be the «opium» of the people.
Human nature is not pure ...so, »anything goes » (conspiracy included ) when you are trying to sell «The Golden Cure» in a bottle to everyone .

Namasté

Ps- Maitreya is the name given to the future Buda. It's from a messianic movement. Messianic movements exist since the birth of world religions. There is usually one or two Messia in every other religion, sect...well, hope never dies :)

Can you image such a perfect being comming to Earth ??? What ever for ? And a Antic- Christ ? .... LOL

Ps 2 - Satan means »adversary». The term was originally in aramaic, then passed to Grec and finally to Latin.
Namasté

[MariaDine]

What a salad , Shiva ! All the info is mixed. The correct with the incorrect.

There are ETs and there are »energy guides».

New age movement like any other mass movent can be «recruited« or manipulated.

The search for the veracity in the any tecnical, spiritual, etc teachings has to be done by each individual. People have a head and have to (learn how) use it. They need to read more and STUDY A LOT if they want to find some answers to really important questions.

With Marx we have learned that any belief sistem -and not only religion/s - can be the «opium» of the people.
Human nature is not pure ...so, »anything goes » (conspiracy included ) when you are trying to sell «The Golden Cure» in a bottle to everyone .

Namasté

Ps- Maitreya is the name given to the future Buda. It's from a messianic movement. Messianic movements exist since the birth of world religions. There is usually one or two Messia in every other religion, sect...well, hope never dies :)

Can you image such a perfect being comming to Earth ??? What ever for ? And a Antic- Christ ? .... LOL

Ps 2 - Satan means »adversary». The term was originally in aramaic, then passed to Grec and finally to Latin.
Namasté

Ps 3 - True Massons like true Templars don't associate in orders. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm1iaUXh5Ic&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFAo43seUSA&feature=related

Ps 4 - I wonder how they let this slip by...LOL

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=47&bible_chapter=24

Ps 5 - Shiva ....I really didn't like the videos you posted. The videos have very few correct Info mixed with a Christian emocional point of view on the subject. :(
But i'm glad you posted them .

Namasté

[161803398]

The NWO and New Age movement connection sounds like a pair of rusty old balls to me. How I see it, it is more like we have some Evangelical Christians pointing the finger and saying, "Look, there is a connection between the NWO and the New Age Movement therefore the New Age Movement must be a tool of the NWO and it must be evil." I myself can also say that there are connections to Christianity and Judaism to the NWO... surely those religions must be evil too?

Belief systems and religions are not the problem it is how individuals or groups direct their beliefs which it the main point of concern and we have had a few genocides in past which back up this fact... all in the name of God. As for the NWO introducing a New Age Religion as a way to rule over the masses, I doubt it and the masses would not easily adopt it, it would be far more logical to manipulate a major mainstream religion like Islam or Christianity or rather remove religion all together through atheism. Well this may be already happening.

So I believe that the only real thing the New World Order has in common with the New Age Movement is the word "New "

If that's true. Then where did Benjamin Creme get all the money to go on prime time television for 3 nights in a row all over the world? Where did the guy come from in the first place? No one ever heard of him before he suddenly appeared to announce the return of Christ.

[161803398]

After watching these videos and researching the New Age movement agenda re: NWO I have come to this conclusion!

There is so much info or disinfo out there now that it drives the mind mad with no this is the truth, but then if you really thought about it this has to be the truth, oh yah but look so and so who worked for so and so told his story so this is fact and thus must be the truth, yah but look at the history>>>>>>>>>>>>what history the real one or the one yet to be told.................and on we go :-D

The one thing I believe is happening and it is only my little old opinion, is that it is making me take responsibility for my being and for where I am at by checking within constantly for some ring of inner truth.............................hopefully it is happening for many others too and together we can all grow up and become sovereign individuals within our own power who then can come together at least on that realm of all that is or is not!!!

I know the feeling. I spent months a couple of years ago trying to sort out who was doing what to whom and what was everyone's agenda when I realized that Zeitgeist, a movie I liked, in part, because of the bit about 9/11, was actually, in the first part, Theosophist propaganda. I recognized it because I studied W.B.Yeats in University. This was mind splitting. Then I got over it because I like W.B. Yeats; I like some of the concepts..... until..... I saw those nice white cities, they suggest we live in. They look kinda cool at first; then I wondered how I would actually like living in something like a bee hive or an ant hill -- not to insult bees or ants but I'm not one. And WTF would be the actual necessity of it. They have convinced us that our planet is dying because they keep killing it. This is where I turn to indigenous peoples for guidance, I figure they are the only ones left who aren't trying to manipulate me.

[161803398]

Now here's another one that really hurts me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5oB8r4zTSA

s5oB8r4zTSA

[Lord Sidious]

Now here's another one that really hurts me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5oB8r4zTSA

Out, I order thee!

[161803398]

I learned from a middle eastern guy that one of the tricks that governments use is to give you something like a group or a cause or something that will be an outlet for your frustration ....so you believe that something is being done when really nothing is being done. For example: Michael Moore was a big question in his mind.

What we really need is an expert on this forum to teach us some propaganda techniques and control techniques so we can recognize them more easily.

[161803398]

I was just talking to someone who said if you want to kill all the grasshoppers what you do is to release a few GMO grasshoppers and people wont know the difference. That is what the PTB do.

[161803398]

There's a trick in Zeitgeist. So maybe it goes like this...if you are aware enough to realize that you were lied to about the WTC then maybe you can get sucked into believing the first part of the movie also (because most people know very little about religion anyway) and then eventually you get sucked into Matrieyah...and then you end up in one of those bee hive cities under the NWO thumb. I know a lot of people dont buy into Christianity but I have it on good authority that the real message of Christianity has been hidden from us and there is more to it than we think. Its like hiding important information in a nursery rhyme...so when the world comes back...say after a disaster...people will eventually figure out the real message of the rhyme and know the truth. But the NWO is into eliminating our knowledge...knowledge of herbs, knowledge of healthy food, and maybe knowledge of the path we take to the light....maybe it is their intention to destroy that knowledge as well....kind of like genetically modified metaphysics.

[161803398]

There are many people who say that there was in our pre-history a one world religion and that you can tell that because of the similarities, for instance between Hinduism and Christianity.

[9eagle9]

That's what our major political drum thumpers do here in America.. The right and the left, the Democrats and the Republicans. They have heart strings they pull (save the whales, the environment, the babies, and God) . The abortion issue has been drubbed to death here with each Republican Candidate promising to eradicate it for forty years. They never have and they never will and they don't have any intention of doing so and never did but people keep eating it up anyway, and the votes keep rolling in because of it. I don't think any fervent right winger here has noticed they've dangled that carrot for the last 4 decades. So that sort of technique has been in our face since before I was born.

Sorta like we have been waiting for Jesus Christ to return to 2000 years. Belief is a powerful tool to use in people, because they will wait forever for something to happen as long as it appeals to their emotional heartstrings. Waiting people are passive people. Waiting doesn't require you to do anything. People who get annoyed when nothing happens or changes are the ones that start squirming and raising hell.


Propaganda is pretty basic. It relies on pre existing concepts and emotions. It's arranged like mainstream religion and spiritual philosophy; you wait long enough and you start finding contradictions and opposing core values in it. Like the famous "we must have a war to have peace."

We don't realize the number of people who can listen to that crap and not blink an eye . The number of people who assume those 'truths' and repeat them back to people like a parrot is epidemic in the New Age and without. With people robotically parroting 'their original truths' I have to pull a book off the shelf, point out their orginal truth that was published thirty years ago and ask them how original can it be. Then I'm the bad guy but I'm not the one who pulled the wool over their eyes. Same with history, it repeats itself.

Resonance is a subtle propaganda technique. " It resonates with me." Probably cause you've heard it before just framed in a different way and so its familar to one.. New Age is basically a mainstream religion one has been conditioned with from childhood. When one makes the decision to leave the mainstream and go new age they find the same thing waiting for them, just reframed in different terms. That's why it seems familiar and it resonates. There's a propaganda technique for you. Catholics who jump ship and head into Wicca really resonate there because a Wiccan Mass is virtually the same as a Catholic one. A bit different enough to make it seem different and exciting but still appealing to the emotional heartstrings. But that's just plain old observance. Its the same thing basically.

All this stuff just goes right into the old subconscious were the rest of the crap has settled to be reinforced. Or just a bunch of happy flappy crappy that says a lot but nothing at all but appeals to the emotions which is where they trap you at because its such an overwhelming internal force. When every valuable spiritual discipline that remains (which are few) teaches to balance logic and emotion we are barraged with a tsunami of emotional content. That's why you see tv evangelists crawling and blubbering on the screen....lol. The Shaman pounds the drum and the tv evangalist uses a hysterical voice as percussion instrument. Emotion mastery is hugely valuable for its manipulative content. Questioning why we get emotional about things that are so external from us, why we get so passionate instead of compassionate which is bit more level headed.. New Age teaches us to wallow in our feelings instead of master the cause and effect of them so we create our own trap. It sticks passion out there and calls it compassion. Well we know what passion does ....lol. Lose your head a bit, wot wot.

Learning hypnosis and scripting allowed me to notice when people where using it on others. People 'scripting' or parroting back 'truths' that are really just mass produced script and those scripts are coming from a physical source or one that people call the 'world' of spirit. Or so they think. A whole other topic the correlation between that and our psychics and trance channelers that hypnotic value there.

[MariaDine]

Now here's another one that really hurts me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5oB8r4zTSA

Out, I order thee!


:rolleyes::p:confused:....I'm sorry, I'm confuse...what do want to say ???...A conspiracy within a conspiracy ? ... That we all already know. Control by Antecipation . One never randoms create an organization that can not be controled by several other organizations at a time - power constellation..... I think that it is callled.

Namasté


Ps - I remembered. mind that the concept has multiple meanings acording to the context that is used.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8inhXAz04sC&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=what+is+power+constellation&source=bl&ots=O2fK5Ldds2&sig=D7Yx7B8CsTbsTy9KjcfVqxapl9w&hl=pt-PT&ei=MA2vTZ26KcOLhQev2czfAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CFgQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=what%20is%20power%20constellation&f=false

[MariaDine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_h0CblQ0sg

....this is interessing. Thank you for the video, this film didn't came to Portugal...OH dear,I wonder why ! eheheheh :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU6jv4WQA2A&feature=related

[Icecold]

http://bahai-education.org/ocean/

Off topic but some members may find this interesting....

Free Software Library of the World's Religious Literature

Ocean is a free collection of the World's Religious literature managed by a unique book-centered research engine. It contains over 1000 books of 10 world religions in English as well as collections in six other languages (French, Spanish, German, Russian, Dutch, and Portuguese).

http://bahai-education.org/ocean/

[linz2d]

Your quoting but never did I say that most people “know” that they are spiritual beings, I said we are all spiritual beings


Okay forget everyone else.... How do you know that?

that I believe that our spirits are not perfect

Is that a belief or is that in the other arena of knowing? Again I'd have to ask what is the point of chasing some flawed facet of ourselves?



We are all different and yet at the same time the same.

What part of us is composed of composite differences and what portion is the same?

I'm asking you this because I want to know how you arrived at these conclusions.

I'm bowing out of this discussion but If you don't agree with with my beliefs(or my knowing) then its fine, however I see no reason why I have to explain myself as to how I reached my understanding. And if I decided to respond, there would be things I could not explain in writing and the rest would take a long long time to write down. What a waste of time and effort on my part that would be.

Consider that it is like me saying to you to prove that your spiritual healing works, you may say that you have clients who swear by it and that is your proof but then I can could say it may only be the placebo effect or the bodies natural ability to heal itself there is no proof... so can you give me a proper explanation to how your healing works?

But honestly, do my views matter to you? No, it is your own spiritual beliefs that matters why should you worry about what others think. I have gone past the stage of trying to explain or prove myself to others, nor do I care if others have a problem with my spiritual beliefs. All I said is that my beliefs differ from yours. Why should you take offence to this?

Why should I explain to myself someone when the only person I have to prove anything to in this life is myself. Anyway I'm off to have a cup of tea.

[9eagle9]

Oh well so much for question everything. I didn't ask you to prove anything I was curious as to how you arrived at your conclusions.

[161803398]

George Bush, Gorbachev, the shiite muslims, others and Maitreya.

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Its weirder than I thought. Most of the politicians I've seen are so out of it; I wouldn't be surprised what they believe.

[9eagle9]

The video is a good example of the constructs the unwitting buy into. When people talk about 'being' possessed by a ascended master they never pause to wonder that a person let alone an entity of true mastery wouldn't impose on your free will. There has never once been an example of a typical ascended master in mythos that imposed on someone's free will so its our lack of education that gets people into this mess not to mention their own woundedness and desire to be special. Why would someone who is truly ascended and mastered need to possess someone in the first place. A construct has no qualms about it at all because its not real.

A channel state and a hypnotic state are no different and this is part of the infiltration of the new age with its obsession with channeling. I'm no master but I can put a typical person in a moderate state of hypnosis and have them burble up all sorts of at least semi coherent fables and they will believe anything about themselves they want to believe in. For those of firmer mind I can still hypnotize them but I can't make them think they are something they aren't. Or make them do or say anything they know not to be true no matter how appealing it is.

[MariaDine]

About the video...Poor man ! if is not lying , or craving for attencion, or even a victim of some mind manipulation.....I would say he is completly bonkers.

Very few correct information mixed with statements, with fantasy and emocial arguments to prove a point. The overall «argument« doesn't stand a chance in «court».

Namasté

[9eagle9]

About the video...Poor man ! if is not lying , or craving for attencion, or even a victim of some mind manipulation.....I would say he is completly bonkers.

Namasté

These days the craving for attention is driving people bonkers...lol. Not so much because their attention whores they are just so disconnected from what they truly are they go off seeking to fill that void in ways that set them up to be prime victims of mind manipulation. The adept becomes the puppet. Some of these people become 'authority' figures on the topic of spirituality and their audience are people who are just as lost as they are.

People always bring up the Jim Jones Cult and the Kool Aid episode. Those people were poisoned way before they started filling the jugs. Or before they even removed themselves to that compound.

It's a hard place to walk- too much emotion and you become a basket case; too much logic and you become a butcher.

[Ahkenaten]

I think all this amounts to fiddling while Rome is burning.

[MariaDine]

I can salvage a point of view in the all subject. ....................It's the fear of being deceived in an matter that is in the metaphysical orbit of knowlegde.
People want prove of faith in material facts and that is a contration in terms.

Paranormal fenomena is a subjective experiment. It doesn't fit the present science paradigm that is taught in schools.
People are taught that the experiments can be repeated and thus proven the factual reality.

The news here, is that we are already learning to scientifical work with these new fenomenas. Not all of the fenomema, but many of them.

The secret is that this info is not divulge to the people. This works in inner circles because of the nature of the fenomena and the fragility of the all process. ...And here...I'm talkking of the good guys. I can not image what the bad guys are doing. But I can tell you ....BAD KARMA is on their way...

Namasté

Ps- to point out one of the many mistakes of the Info presented in the vidao «New age of aquiarius« is that Satan is not the same as Lucifer. They are and have distint caracterizations in the lore, mythology, Bible, and other religious texts.

Maytreia is a future Buda and is not incarnated. The tibetan lore says he is too come in a very , very distant future.

[161803398]

It doesn't matter whether Satan is the same as Lucifer or not. It doesn't matter if its real or not. It doesn't matter if Benjamin Creme and "Maitreya" are really Mickey and Minnie mouse. What matters is what people who are controlling armies and WMD think; OR what they think they can manipulate the masses with and the extent to which they are prepared to act on that. I don't know about you guys but I live in a country where our PM starting acting out of character about a year ago. The prevailing wisdom is that because of his religious beliefs, he thinks the end of the world is coming. That's pretty crazy....but not half as crazy as what is going on the the United States...or, what about England that is messing up us and everyone else in the world. It seems that not only are our politicians corrupt...they are also insane. Now, in this video, this guy says that an organization which as far as I know was started by a con artist has risen to the point that their chosen new age messiah is meeting with world leaders and has a following of almost 2 billion....then I'd like to know if that is true or not. The Theosophical Society certainly has come a long way, it seems and I'd like to know where they are getting their money and exactly how much influence they do have.

Having said that I would like sooner rather than later for the idiocy in the world to come to an end.

[norman]

Constance Cumbey: “The Counterculture and the New Age Movement”

UnSpun #191 - simulcast on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Twitch: Lawyer, author and researcher Constance Cumbey joins us to delve deeper into the counterculture and New Age movements.

Constance began her research on these topics in 1981 and has spent nearly 40 years devoted to her investigation, exposing a leftist plot to overthrow Christian civilization, creating a post-Christian and socialist world.

Marilyn Ferguson’s book “Aquarian Conspiracy” described a powerful network of anti-Christian organizations and personalities promoting radical cultural and social programs in the United States and around the world to bring about this change through the “expansion of consciousness". Constance has written two books on the New Age Movement, including The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, and Planned Deception: The Staging of a New Age "Messiah".

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Constance comes at the subject as a christian who's interest was sparked by the adoption and twisting of biblical material, as she saw it.

She has been around for a long time and has a longer view of the new age movement than most who talk about it these days.