RISE UP! - Liberal Leader to Canadians at Election Time

[JoshERTW]

Regardless of my personal opinion of the messenger, the message is clear - Rise up against your apathy and get rid of Steven Harper! This guy has been ruining our country for too long. I can't say how much better this guy will be in power, but he can't be worse. Lesser of two evils perhaps, but thats about the best we can hope for right now. A Conservative majority will spell doom for this country.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/story/2011/04/16/cv-election-house-ignatieff.html

[TWINCANS]

Also torn in two regarding how I feel about the messenger but totally agree we have no choice but to boot out the NWO lackey. You have to wonder what would happen if M. Duceppe ran candidates across the country to really shake and stir things up.

[Lord Sidious]

Do yourselves a favour, vote for no one.
I think you guys have a preferential voting system don't you?
If so, don't vote.

[Gaia]

Anybody except Stephen Harper. It's time to put out Stephen Harper and his Conservatives politics who did'nt represent our Canadians values and our past. The Harper government will be defeated because of its undemocratic practices and culture of Control and Secrecy. Far from making amends, the Conservative Party keeps journalists away with fences and expels its gatherings all citizens who are not unconditional supporters. We investigate the views of citizens, placing the RCMP serving the ruling party, it leaves veiled threats to those who will not vote "The right way"

While a wind of democracy blowing across the Middle East, it seems now declining in our country. The Conservatives plan to spend billions of dollars to expand prisons across the country. Is to be deduced that this is not to make room for criminals, but rather inquisitive journalists, political opponents, the free thinkers, artists and other undesirables in the eyes of Mr. Harper ?


http://www.renartleveille.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/4246706905_62ef8f5fb9_z.jpg

[Gaia]

Do yourselves a favour, vote for no one.
I think you guys have a preferential voting system don't you?
If so, don't vote.
7 years of power in a democracy is too many. Events around the globe have a direct impact every day on our economy, our standard of living, our security, and our environment. The world matters to Canada. Canada should, once again, matter to the world. At heart I'm a liberal but these days I'm an ABC (Anything but conservative) And Harper is making me a little queasy. I'm slightly wary of big brother version of government (George Orwell's book 1984) and Harper seems to be inching towards that type of total control rule. Just please go to vote Canadian and don't waste your vote or not vote just because you're pissed off at the system. It doesn't work well, but it's all we have right now.

Kindest regards my friend.

Gaia

[sunflower]

It is a privilege to be a citizen of such a beautiful country and a privilege to be able to vote. I intend to do so but definitely NOT for Harper for all the reasons outlined above. That photo is hilarious. Just imagine! Harper finally made it to Avalon! I couldn't stop laughing. Thanks, Gaia.

[Gaia]

It is a privilege to be a citizen of such a beautiful country and a privilege to be able to vote. I intend to do so but definitely NOT for Harper for all the reasons outlined above. That photo is hilarious. Just imagine! Harper finally made it to Avalon! I couldn't stop laughing. Thanks, Gaia.

Good choice, think of all of the people who have struggled, and even died, so we could have the right to choose our candidates and our officials, so we could have the freedom to choose all of them and more.

What better way to honor those courageous men and women than by voting. Merci Sunflower:)

[taurad]

i still do not understand why ppl still bother voting...i've heard all kinds of excuses...none works...the only reason this monstruous machine keeps going is ppl keep legitimating their "chauffeurs"...

if no one gets a legitimate mandate, thats a great f..king mesagge...that is the greatest vote ever...abstening will bring the system down...STOP LEGITIMIZING THESE CROOKS!!!!

by the way, have you followed what has happened in Belgium...200 something days without a governing body...they're still fine, nothing happened...somehow ppl think life ends once crooks die...actually not; it gets better

this guy said it all:

http://www.ohcanadamovie.com/

please watch it before feeding the beast

cheers

[Lord Sidious]

If you guys participate in the system, you are accessories before, during and after the fact in any crimes they commit.
The whole system is made to work in their favour.
Why you would want to play that game, I don't know.

[Gaia]

If you guys participate in the system, you are accessories before, during and after the fact in any crimes they commit.
The whole system is made to work in their favour.
Why you would want to play that game, I don't know.

In your point of view if a popular Canadian party would not be the case might seize power through the ballot box, be aware that the bourgeoisie simply cancel this step as it has already done in Spain, Germany, Italy, Chile, a few nicks in democracies of Latin America, Algeria, Palestine, Haiti and Côte d'Ivoire ? Okay, Hilary Clinton can then present the "Bourgeois democracy"As the ideal model of governance and then she can proclaim that the so called "Revolution in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya" Are victorious because there will now this kind of phony election, rigged, manipulated, results convoluted, with alternating parliamentary.

Tweedledee and Tweedledum and start again !

[Davidallany]

Why you would want to play that game, I don't know.
It's a matter of understanding, or waking up.

[Lord Sidious]

If you guys participate in the system, you are accessories before, during and after the fact in any crimes they commit.
The whole system is made to work in their favour.
Why you would want to play that game, I don't know.

In your point of view if a popular Canadian party would not be the case might seize power through the ballot box, be aware that the bourgeoisie simply cancel this step as it has already done in Spain, Germany, Italy, Chile, a few nicks in democracies of Latin America, Algeria, Palestine, Haiti and Côte d'Ivoire ? Okay, Hilary Clinton can then present the "Bourgeois democracy"As the ideal model of governance and then she can proclaim that the so called "Revolution in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya" Are victorious because there will now this kind of phony election, rigged, manipulated, results convoluted, with alternating parliamentary.

Tweedledee and Tweedledum and start again !

So make your own paradigm.
Why take the scraps off their tables when you can simply throw them out and have it all?

[Davidallany]

I wonder if anyone from Ottawa is interested in making a local Avalonian community in Ottawa? or Ontario? I am interested.

[ThePythonicCow]

If you guys participate in the system, you are accessories before, during and after the fact in any crimes they commit.
The whole system is made to work in their favour.
Why you would want to play that game, I don't know.

This reminds me of the way I might treat my captors, if I were a prisoner of war (and if I weren't a wimp ;).) Give them not one ounce of respect.

[Gaia]

If you guys participate in the system, you are accessories before, during and after the fact in any crimes they commit.
The whole system is made to work in their favour.
Why you would want to play that game, I don't know.

In your point of view if a popular Canadian party would not be the case might seize power through the ballot box, be aware that the bourgeoisie simply cancel this step as it has already done in Spain, Germany, Italy, Chile, a few nicks in democracies of Latin America, Algeria, Palestine, Haiti and Côte d'Ivoire ? Okay, Hilary Clinton can then present the "Bourgeois democracy"As the ideal model of governance and then she can proclaim that the so called "Revolution in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya" Are victorious because there will now this kind of phony election, rigged, manipulated, results convoluted, with alternating parliamentary.

Tweedledee and Tweedledum and start again !

So make your own paradigm.
Why take the scraps off their tables when you can simply throw them out and have it all?

We have nothing,Canadians continue to understand their political system in terms of majority government, even when the latter is a minority. There is a sort of gap between the new mode of functioning of institutions and the traditional understanding that Canadians have. The Conservatives enjoy the fact that a majority of Canadians do not adjust to this change and continue to understand their system in terms of majority government. This does not necessarily mean that a majority of them is ready to vote for Harper. Canadians do not simply adjust to the fact that the balance of power has now passed the side of parliament with Layton and Duceppe and and, and... Flute I forgot his name.

[JoshERTW]

A Conservative majority would be the worst thing to ever happen to this Country - Abstaining from the vote is pointless - sure, you're making a statement, but who is listening to it? No one. The Conservatives know that they have a dedicated core of brainwashed lackeys who will vote for them. Every enlightened person who abstains is actually giving them more power, at least at this stage of the game. Abstaining from the vote will have less impact than voting against the Conservatives - That said, the best thing would be to get the NDP or Green party in power, but we aren't there yet.

If we had proportional representation this system would be far better - I'm sick of having to vote strategically, but I'd rather at least join the fight in what meager way I can as a lowly "citizen." With social media and everything else, we citizens are able to mobilize and shift the outcomes - I'm sorry but abstaining from the vote is not the way to go - unless ofcourse you are going to go to the polls and actually cast a ballot that says "no-one" - I have the utmost respect for this course of action - the point is to show up.

[lightseeker]

Davidallany, I am from ottawa, and am interested in helping with forming a local group. We need to talk. So much is happening, i am reading through this thread and i share the view that Stephen Harper is a dangerous person. I have been examining him and the way he functions since he formed his minority government 5 years ago. The secretive nature of how this man functions and the way he thinks is very disturbing to me and has been since the beginning. I cannot understand how so many people can miss this and not see what is happening. I will admit that the choices of leaders in Canada during this time appear to lack vision. My intuition tells me a majority Harper government will lead to a very closed and dangerous society in Canada. I will definately vote this election as I always have done. But it will not be for the Harper regime .
Lightseeker

[taurad]

hi all,
watch the:

http://www.ohcanadamovie.com/

to understand the electoral system, please

cheers

[lightseeker]

Just a few more words Davidallany, I don't always have the time I would like to post of this sight, my life is so busy with so much at this time. I am glad however, that I chose to do so today and discovered that there is someone else in my area, that i may be able to have contact with. So much information regarding what is happening south of the border and around the world is pre occupying so many. I continually wonder were does Canada fit into this picture. North of the 49 parallel appears to be quite to non existant. Which concerns me somewhat. What is going on in this country behind the scences. Canada does not appear to be scrutinized as closely as the U.S. I am sure there is much going on behind the curtain in this country that needs to be exposed to the light of day. lightseeker

[Gaia]

Ontario is a winner with proportional representation. Quebec must apply for a guarantee of 25% of the seats in the Commons on the basis that Quebec is a nation and is entitled to as a guaranteed minimum.This is what leads to the conclusion that Gilles Duceppe to defend Quebec's interests must vote for the Bloc in Ottawa.

The basic aim of proportional representation system is to reduce the gap between the share of the national vote received by a party, and its share of seats in parliament, which is a cause more just. Moreover, seeking the meaning of the adjective "Fair"in the dictionary, you can discover two different senses: first, that which is consistent with the principles of justice, law and the equity on the other hand, is what is good and proper.

The benefits of proportional representation :

A) An ideal vision

B) A mathematical representation reassuring

The disadvantages of proportional representation :

A) A complex operation that betrays the people

B) A feud within the party


Lord Durham wrote: "The English are superior to the French, not only by money but by intelligence. They will still dominate the country" Sorry I couldn't resist :o

[Bauzer]

I feel I have to vote against Harper, because if I don't vote, that's one less vote against him. Like it was mentioned before, by not voting, the lackeys will! He'll win while we sit on our hands. I'd love to vote, 'nobody', but that's just not realistic at this stage. The scary thing is for some reason there are a lot of people that will vote FOR Harper, despite all the crimes and scandals hes committed. There are a lot of young Canadians right now that are upset, and going online, making videos, explaining what has been going on while we work our 9 to 5 jobs. I think its great for us to be informed like we try to do here on Avalon. I used to be like some of the people that have said 'just don't vote'. I was just like you. But the **** has hit the fan (pardon my cursing). If we don't fight back, then he'll win hands down.

I live in BC and there was a grassroots uprising when a new tax reform was thrust down our throat without real warning or public consultation. The people got pissed, and by 'doing something' we now have a public referendum on the Tax coming up. If we just sat around and 'did nothing', we wouldn't have gotten this far. If need be, we can do it again. The people are waking up all over the world. Even the syrup drinking Canadians!

I will admit however, that really none of the other parties interest me to be a 'good' leader for Canada, but its like that all over the world, isn't it? (well most of it).

[DeDukshyn]

I heard Elizabeth May in a CBC radio interview the other day and now I can understand why the big boys didn't want her to be a part of the debate. She's one of the first Canadian politicians I've heard do an entire interview with no spin or hidden agenda at all. She is intelligent, and answers questions truthfully and honestly. Harper is a clown - take some of that makeup off, boy!

I will be voting Green party until further notice as my statement to Canada that I want real change. I find Ignatieff a bit annoying - While he's likely a better alternate than Harper, he's not a whole lot better, besides, we have similar system here as in the US, Liberal and Conservative politicians are controlled by the sames groups, so in the end there's not a whole lot of difference. But I will say again, we do need to get rid of Harper.

[DeDukshyn]

I feel I have to vote against Harper, because if I don't vote, that's one less vote against him. Like it was mentioned before, by not voting, the lackeys will! He'll win while we sit on our hands. I'd love to vote, 'nobody', but that's just not realistic at this stage. The scary thing is for some reason there are a lot of people that will vote FOR Harper, despite all the crimes and scandals hes committed. There are a lot of young Canadians right now that are upset, and going online, making videos, explaining what has been going on while we work our 9 to 5 jobs. I think its great for us to be informed like we try to do here on Avalon. I used to be like some of the people that have said 'just don't vote'. I was just like you. But the **** has hit the fan (pardon my cursing). If we don't fight back, then he'll win hands down.

I live in BC and there was a grassroots uprising when a new tax reform was thrust down our throat without real warning or public consultation. The people got pissed, and by 'doing something' we now have a public referendum on the Tax coming up. If we just sat around and 'did nothing', we wouldn't have gotten this far. If need be, we can do it again. The people are waking up all over the world. Even the syrup drinking Canadians!

I will admit however, that really none of the other parties interest me to be a 'good' leader for Canada, but its like that all over the world, isn't it? (well most of it).

I was born in BC and I have to say I am proud of that province for standing up to the HST - it shows that we really do have power to guide our politicians, rather than vice versa, if we just work together and get educated on the issues.

[161803398]

We have to vote to get rid of him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph_-qac-u98

Ill never get the picture up!

He's being controlled by the corporations. He's into everything I hate; GMO, pharmaceutical companies; genetically engineered trees; he wants to spend billions on jets (WTF); he supports the seal hunt; he wants to be like his daddy Obama after he lost his daddy, Bush; he wants to give Canada to the Americans; he's become an habitual liar.

[Raven]

Regardless of my personal opinion of the messenger, the message is clear - Rise up against your apathy and get rid of Steven Harper! This guy has been ruining our country for too long. I can't say how much better this guy will be in power, but he can't be worse. Lesser of two evils perhaps, but thats about the best we can hope for right now. A Conservative majority will spell doom for this country.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/story/2011/04/16/cv-election-house-ignatieff.html
Hi Josh and other Canadians especially - I agree - we can't let Harper get majority - I am liking Ignatieff better these days but NDP has the much better social programs - and definitely would like to see Elizabeth May get a seat and not knowing how fast the acceleration will manifest re Unity wave ala Calleman (see http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/dawn_of_the_unity_wave.htm and then see http://www.4-ahau.com/en/Nine_Days_Count.html for how to follow the nine day count - I don't know maybe we can have a softer landing somehow? if we also somehow 'invite' our leaders to be more conscious.... it is like we are straddling two different dimensions
and this afternoon Canadians in BC who haven't voted yet - in about an hour can go to http://www.bcndp.isivote.com/ to vote for new NDP leader -I am not really very interested in politics - my husband tells me that the two people he thinks are less like the 'old guard' are Nicholas Simons and Dan Larsen - so I will see if I can figure out how to vote for them....

[JoshERTW]

The people are waking up all over the world. Even the syrup drinking Canadians!

Off Topic but I had to say it - I actually just took a swig of maple syrup straight from the bottle about 2 minutes ago. No joke. It's fresh and locally brewed and my wife was using it in a recipe for dinner haha.

VOTE!!

[Davidallany]

Davidallany, I am from ottawa, and am interested in helping with forming a local group. We need to talk. So much is happening, i am reading through this thread and i share the view that Stephen Harper is a dangerous person. I have been examining him and the way he functions since he formed his minority government 5 years ago. The secretive nature of how this man functions and the way he thinks is very disturbing to me and has been since the beginning. I cannot understand how so many people can miss this and not see what is happening. I will admit that the choices of leaders in Canada during this time appear to lack vision. My intuition tells me a majority Harper government will lead to a very closed and dangerous society in Canada. I will definately vote this election as I always have done. But it will not be for the Harper regime .
Lightseeker
Wonderful, lightseeker. And thus project Avalon start roots in Ottawa, I hope one day soon we can expand and be able to invite Bill and Kerry to Ottawa.

[Davidallany]

Off Topic but I had to say it - I actually just took a swig of maple syrup straight from the bottle about 2 minutes ago. No joke. It's fresh and locally brewed and my wife was using it in a recipe for dinner haha.
That's hilarious JoshERTW.

[Davidallany]

Just a few more words Davidallany, I don't always have the time I would like to post of this sight, my life is so busy with so much at this time. I am glad however, that I chose to do so today and discovered that there is someone else in my area, that i may be able to have contact with. So much information regarding what is happening south of the border and around the world is pre occupying so many. I continually wonder were does Canada fit into this picture. North of the 49 parallel appears to be quite to non existant. Which concerns me somewhat. What is going on in this country behind the scences. Canada does not appear to be scrutinized as closely as the U.S. I am sure there is much going on behind the curtain in this country that needs to be exposed to the light of day. lightseeker
Canada is very much involved it's Rockefeller and Rothschild territory.

[chancy]

There’s only One Loser in Canadian Politics

We as Canadians are now in an election that most of us don’t want simply because we’re all too busy and don’t have time to waste on failed promises as we’ve seen over and over! The amount of people that vote seems to show that only the truly dedicated Canadian actually vote. I believe it’s because no matter what party gets in whether it be a minority or majority government all Canadians except the politicians lose! Why we lose is because we as Canadians have financed the election. We have financed the country and we have financed all the good and bad decisions in government. With our last government we went from being world peace keepers to full combat. Our government told us that we dodged the bullet on the recession due to their diligence in spending our money to save us. But wait a minute….the only one that made us dodge the bullet of a recession was the Canadian tax payers. In fact our previous government put us in debt for along time to come. Even more so than the debt we already had thanks to other previous governments diabolical spending habits.
Canadians never seem to get the truth from politicians because they are trying to save their jobs and pensions that we as citizens finance. We didn’t even get to set the pay schedule or pension amounts. The politicians did that for themselves using our money. What a great job where you can write your own paycheck and then set the amount you want for a pension too!
You will hear in this election how each politician has been so vigilant and diligent in their jobs. They forgot that they work for each of us in this fine country of Canada. They tell us how they have had all the interests of Canadians as their most important job. How each one of us has benefitted from their role in governing the country. IF this was the case then how come we are having another election? IF everything was so great we wouldn’t be having an election. In fact we wouldn’t want government to be so big and expensive. As with everything the government does we as taxpayers pay the bills but never seem to get any say in the decisions of the country. We do as we are asked and talk to our MP’s in regards to problems and concerns but it’s heard by deaf ears. No one in government wants to have to change anything that will not let them get re-elected again. Remember it’s all about keeping the great job that allows them to write their own paycheck and pensions with wielding power that can‘t be bought at any price.
I could go on and on with all the problems but each of us knows some or all of those problems. The problem is we all are manipulated by the slick ads for or against each party. When what we need is a coalition but not of the standard coalition talked about by politicians But a coalition where all the leaders of all the parties get together and make Canada a better place that runs smoother. Run more efficiently and of course runs more honestly and cheaper. This could be done just by using the amount needed to fund one election which is probably around $300 million or more. Canadians need to stop voting for a particular person or party and start voting for what’s best for all Canadians. We are tired of being manipulated into voting for individuals and parties who DO NOT have the people of Canada’s best interests at heart. In fact are only trying to save their own job and parties power in Canada. It’s time for all Canadians to say: Enough is Enough! There is only one loser in Politics and that is the Canadian Tax Payers!
May each of us vote for ourselves from now on and stand up for each of our rights in Canada. Time to let the politicians know that they work for us and not the other way around. We as Canadians are all tired of financing a system that doesn’t work.
On the voters ballot let’s put a square for “none of the above”
If the “none of the above” reaches a certain percentage marked by Canadian voters then a coalition government comes into effect with all the existing parties and politician at the table working to help Canadians and the Canadian economy become the best it can be. No more parties and no more false promises.
Let’s use parliament and the senate for solving problems instead of bickering, proroguing and wasting tax payers money. Let’s get to business and solve problems instead of acting like kids.
Everyone should be working for the good of the people and country.
May God be put back into the equation because we certainly need someone other than what we have gotten in the past years.

Chancy

[Lord Sidious]

We have to vote to get rid of him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph_-qac-u98

Ill never get the picture up!

He's being controlled by the corporations. He's into everything I hate; GMO, pharmaceutical companies; genetically engineered trees; he wants to spend billions on jets (WTF); he supports the seal hunt; he wants to be like his daddy Obama after he lost his daddy, Bush; he wants to give Canada to the Americans; he's become an habitual liar.

You guys are thinking in the duality again.
THEY control all the major parties.
Sure, you can vote death by hanging out and you know what choices you have to replace it?
Death by shooting, death by electric chair, death by lethal injection, I think you get the idea.
The end result to the madness is the same, only the methods vary.
We went through the same thing in Aus and people voted out the liberal party and got the labor party in.
Now they want the liberals back.
But they both do what the bankster trash tell them.
Stop the madness, refuse to pick the method of your own demise.
Answer me this, if EVERYONE refused to vote, what would they do?

[Flash]

We have to vote to get rid of him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph_-qac-u98

Ill never get the picture up!

He's being controlled by the corporations. He's into everything I hate; GMO, pharmaceutical companies; genetically engineered trees; he wants to spend billions on jets (WTF); he supports the seal hunt; he wants to be like his daddy Obama after he lost his daddy, Bush; he wants to give Canada to the Americans; he's become an habitual liar.

You guys are thinking in the duality again.
THEY control all the major parties.
Sure, you can vote death by hanging out and you know what choices you have to replace it?
Death by shooting, death by electric chair, death by lethal injection, I think you get the idea.
The end result to the madness is the same, only the methods vary.
We went through the same thing in Aus and people voted out the liberal party and got the labor party in.
Now they want the liberals back.
But they both do what the bankster trash tell them.
Stop the madness, refuse to pick the method of your own demise.
Answer me this, if EVERYONE refused to vote, what would they do?

Ha Ha, completely true Lord Serious (oups,not genuine mistake) hi hi - genuinely do not understand how come you are interested, don't you have a Palestinian flag? Therefore, you are good for thinking about minorities on their own territory, n'est-ce pas?

Therefore, to ALL CANADIAN, vote for Jean Duceppe of the Bloc, he is the only one that is not, for sure, part of the biggies corporately bought!!! AH AH

[Flash]

Ontario is a winner with proportional representation. Quebec must apply for a guarantee of 25% of the seats in the Commons on the basis that Quebec is a nation and is entitled to as a guaranteed minimum.This is what leads to the conclusion that Gilles Duceppe to defend Quebec's interests must vote for the Bloc in Ottawa.

The basic aim of proportional representation system is to reduce the gap between the share of the national vote received by a party, and its share of seats in parliament, which is a cause more just. Moreover, seeking the meaning of the adjective "Fair"in the dictionary, you can discover two different senses: first, that which is consistent with the principles of justice, law and the equity on the other hand, is what is good and proper.

The benefits of proportional representation :

A) An ideal vision

B) A mathematical representation reassuring

The disadvantages of proportional representation :

A) A complex operation that betrays the people

B) A feud within the party


Lord Durham wrote: "The English are superior to the French, not only by money but by intelligence. They will still dominate the country" Sorry I couldn't resist :o


Very cheap shot. I've heard so much stupidities of Lord Durham's alike and plainly red necks over my life time that you would forward excuses and I would not accept them. You would not write this if you were talking about Jews or Blacks. When we have such reactions again showing up in our faces, our only desire becomes to make sure we make the "Englishes pi... off" a little more.

I was thinking of voting Green, as I did last time, but now you are convincing me to vote for the Bloc.

I could not resist to respond to constantly sustained racism and prejudices being still promulgated even on Avalon.

[Random]

hi all,
watch the:

http://www.ohcanadamovie.com/

to understand the electoral system, please

cheers

This is a great documentary, Thanks for posting.

[Davidallany]

You guys are thinking in the duality again.
THEY control all the major parties.
Sure, you can vote death by hanging out and you know what choices you have to replace it?
Death by shooting, death by electric chair, death by lethal injection, I think you get the idea.
The end result to the madness is the same, only the methods vary.
We went through the same thing in Aus and people voted out the liberal party and got the labor party in.
Now they want the liberals back.
But they both do what the bankster trash tell them.
Stop the madness, refuse to pick the method of your own demise.
Answer me this, if EVERYONE refused to vote, what would they do?
Thank you Lord, I think that they will sit with their masters and try to come up with another trick.

[sandy]

I couldn't agree more joshERTW,

The world is in the state it is due to apathy and letting the other guy do it!!!!! I will vote for neither party that has governed this country for far to many years. I will vote though in order to hopefully facilitate another minority (not majority) government that at some points can't get away with total control. Albeit nothing much gets done. They/we all answer to TPTB because of apathy and disconnect!!!

[Davidallany]

You guys are thinking in the duality again.
THEY control all the major parties.
Sure, you can vote death by hanging out and you know what choices you have to replace it?
Death by shooting, death by electric chair, death by lethal injection, I think you get the idea.
The end result to the madness is the same, only the methods vary.
We went through the same thing in Aus and people voted out the liberal party and got the labor party in.
Now they want the liberals back.
But they both do what the bankster trash tell them.
Stop the madness, refuse to pick the method of your own demise.
Answer me this, if EVERYONE refused to vote, what would they do?

C6dgppKq8UU
There are no countries anymore! Wake up.

[sandy]

There’s only One Loser in Canadian Politics

We as Canadians are now in an election that most of us don’t want simply because we’re all too busy and don’t have time to waste on failed promises as we’ve seen over and over! The amount of people that vote seems to show that only the truly dedicated Canadian actually vote. I believe it’s because no matter what party gets in whether it be a minority or majority government all Canadians except the politicians lose! Why we lose is because we as Canadians have financed the election. We have financed the country and we have financed all the good and bad decisions in government. With our last government we went from being world peace keepers to full combat. Our government told us that we dodged the bullet on the recession due to their diligence in spending our money to save us. But wait a minute….the only one that made us dodge the bullet of a recession was the Canadian tax payers. In fact our previous government put us in debt for along time to come. Even more so than the debt we already had thanks to other previous governments diabolical spending habits.
Canadians never seem to get the truth from politicians because they are trying to save their jobs and pensions that we as citizens finance. We didn’t even get to set the pay schedule or pension amounts. The politicians did that for themselves using our money. What a great job where you can write your own paycheck and then set the amount you want for a pension too!
You will hear in this election how each politician has been so vigilant and diligent in their jobs. They forgot that they work for each of us in this fine country of Canada. They tell us how they have had all the interests of Canadians as their most important job. How each one of us has benefitted from their role in governing the country. IF this was the case then how come we are having another election? IF everything was so great we wouldn’t be having an election. In fact we wouldn’t want government to be so big and expensive. As with everything the government does we as taxpayers pay the bills but never seem to get any say in the decisions of the country. We do as we are asked and talk to our MP’s in regards to problems and concerns but it’s heard by deaf ears. No one in government wants to have to change anything that will not let them get re-elected again. Remember it’s all about keeping the great job that allows them to write their own paycheck and pensions with wielding power that can‘t be bought at any price.
I could go on and on with all the problems but each of us knows some or all of those problems. The problem is we all are manipulated by the slick ads for or against each party. When what we need is a coalition but not of the standard coalition talked about by politicians But a coalition where all the leaders of all the parties get together and make Canada a better place that runs smoother. Run more efficiently and of course runs more honestly and cheaper. This could be done just by using the amount needed to fund one election which is probably around $300 million or more. Canadians need to stop voting for a particular person or party and start voting for what’s best for all Canadians. We are tired of being manipulated into voting for individuals and parties who DO NOT have the people of Canada’s best interests at heart. In fact are only trying to save their own job and parties power in Canada. It’s time for all Canadians to say: Enough is Enough! There is only one loser in Politics and that is the Canadian Tax Payers!
May each of us vote for ourselves from now on and stand up for each of our rights in Canada. Time to let the politicians know that they work for us and not the other way around. We as Canadians are all tired of financing a system that doesn’t work.
On the voters ballot let’s put a square for “none of the above”
If the “none of the above” reaches a certain percentage marked by Canadian voters then a coalition government comes into effect with all the existing parties and politician at the table working to help Canadians and the Canadian economy become the best it can be. No more parties and no more false promises.
Let’s use parliament and the senate for solving problems instead of bickering, proroguing and wasting tax payers money. Let’s get to business and solve problems instead of acting like kids.
Everyone should be working for the good of the people and country.
May God be put back into the equation because we certainly need someone other than what we have gotten in the past years.

Chancy


Rah Rah!!! woot woot!! Chancy,

Great article and I only wish we could put a box for" NON OF THE ABOVE " without our vote being declared spoiled!!!!. I would do it in a heart beat and with a big smile however my aim is to work on ensuring Harper doesn't get a majority so my vote must count.

[42]

The people are waking up all over the world. Even the syrup drinking Canadians!

Off Topic but I had to say it - I actually just took a swig of maple syrup straight from the bottle about 2 minutes ago. No joke. It's fresh and locally brewed and my wife was using it in a recipe for dinner haha.

VOTE!!

OK i'll admit it... I just took a swig of my secret stash of syrup too... mmm

[sandy]

We have to vote to get rid of him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph_-qac-u98

Ill never get the picture up!

He's being controlled by the corporations. He's into everything I hate; GMO, pharmaceutical companies; genetically engineered trees; he wants to spend billions on jets (WTF); he supports the seal hunt; he wants to be like his daddy Obama after he lost his daddy, Bush; he wants to give Canada to the Americans; he's become an habitual liar.

You guys are thinking in the duality again.
THEY control all the major parties.
Sure, you can vote death by hanging out and you know what choices you have to replace it?
Death by shooting, death by electric chair, death by lethal injection, I think you get the idea.
The end result to the madness is the same, only the methods vary.
We went through the same thing in Aus and people voted out the liberal party and got the labor party in.
Now they want the liberals back.
But they both do what the bankster trash tell them.
Stop the madness, refuse to pick the method of your own demise.
Answer me this, if EVERYONE refused to vote, what would they do?


Lord Sidious,

Your duality remarks are not something that helps me to think about what you say. What it says about you, to me, is that you think I'm not evolved enough yet to see the picture>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as you do. I see the picture and at the same time do not negate duality. It is in the Matrix!!

To answer your question>>>>>>>>>>>>>the government that is in power would continue to govern and start some kind of suck up con job to the citizens.................another elongated costly strategy to the game we are all playing around the world.

You may choose to not to partake in the matrix, no problem, but humanity is far to behind the eight ball to join you at your level of consciousness not to play the game>>>>>>>>>>>I'm grateful that some are awake enough to start to see there is a matrix and even thinking about what are the lesser of the evils is a fantastic move in the right direction...

I personally will support those in their efforts of waking versus inferring they are not awake enough. Rings of some kind of sense of intellectual superiority versus compassion to me.

[Lord Sidious]

We have to vote to get rid of him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph_-qac-u98

Ill never get the picture up!

He's being controlled by the corporations. He's into everything I hate; GMO, pharmaceutical companies; genetically engineered trees; he wants to spend billions on jets (WTF); he supports the seal hunt; he wants to be like his daddy Obama after he lost his daddy, Bush; he wants to give Canada to the Americans; he's become an habitual liar.

You guys are thinking in the duality again.
THEY control all the major parties.
Sure, you can vote death by hanging out and you know what choices you have to replace it?
Death by shooting, death by electric chair, death by lethal injection, I think you get the idea.
The end result to the madness is the same, only the methods vary.
We went through the same thing in Aus and people voted out the liberal party and got the labor party in.
Now they want the liberals back.
But they both do what the bankster trash tell them.
Stop the madness, refuse to pick the method of your own demise.
Answer me this, if EVERYONE refused to vote, what would they do?


Lord Sidious,

Your duality remarks are not something that helps me to think about what you say. What it says about you, to me, is that you think I'm not evolved enough yet to see the picture>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as you do. I see the picture and at the same time do not negate duality. It is in the Matrix!!

To answer your question>>>>>>>>>>>>>the government that is in power would continue to govern and start some kind of suck up con job to the citizens.................another elongated costly strategy to the game we are all playing around the world.

You may choose to not to partake in the matrix, no problem, but humanity is far to behind the eight ball to join you at your level of consciousness not to play the game>>>>>>>>>>>I'm grateful that some are awake enough to start to see there is a matrix and even thinking about what are the lesser of the evils is a fantastic move in the right direction...

I personally will support those in their efforts of waking versus inferring they are not awake enough. Rings of some kind of sense of intellectual superiority versus compassion to me.

Ok, you are free to take my remarks any way you wish, regardless of how I intend them.
You know the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
I am trying to show you guys that you will always get what you always have if you always do what you always have.
Break the cycle and stop the insanity.

[Davidallany]

Ok, you are free to take my remarks any way you wish, regardless of how I intend them.
You know the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
I am trying to show you guys that you will always get what you always have if you always do what you always have.
Break the cycle and stop the insanity.
Dear Lord, I hear you. I share the same conclusion with you. In the mean time I respect the opinions presented here on this thread with their different views. Different expressions for wanting happiness.

[TWINCANS]

OK so we do have a choice: To vote or not to vote. For the Reform party leader who hijacked the Conservative party without a vote being cast, or the US academic who hijacked the Liberal Party without a vote being cast. Great.

[chancy]

Rah Rah!!! woot woot!! Chancy,

Great article and I only wish we could put a box for" NON OF THE ABOVE " without our vote being declared spoiled!!!!. I would do it in a heart beat and with a big smile however my aim is to work on ensuring Harper doesn't get a majority so my vote must count.[/QUOTE]


Hello Sandy and all Canucks:

It's been on my mind for along time how Canadians could get a better deal! I must confess I was a reformer....then conservative until I found out a little more about the party that supposedly I was supporting. After dealing with a number of MP's and hollow promises I learned that the conservatives are blowing in the wind. There is more and more back door politics and less and less transparency with conservatives than even the liberals. For someone who has voted for over 30 years for conservatism I must admit that checking "None of the Above" because I don't believe any party has any tax payers interests at heart would be extremely tempting. BUT since we have to elect the party through the MP it's who has the most money as a party who usually wins. Since the conservatives have a huge chest of our money to get reelected we MUST NOT ALLOW the conservatives a majority or we will have a dictatorship as we have had for a few years even though it was with a minority govt.
May the election make us all smile since it really has nothing to do with any Canadian except we all pay for it.
Enjoy the election all Canucks.....whoever we get won't help any of us. We just pay and pay and pay
Chancy

[sandy]

We have to vote to get rid of him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph_-qac-u98

Ill never get the picture up!

He's being controlled by the corporations. He's into everything I hate; GMO, pharmaceutical companies; genetically engineered trees; he wants to spend billions on jets (WTF); he supports the seal hunt; he wants to be like his daddy Obama after he lost his daddy, Bush; he wants to give Canada to the Americans; he's become an habitual liar.

You guys are thinking in the duality again.
THEY control all the major parties.
Sure, you can vote death by hanging out and you know what choices you have to replace it?
Death by shooting, death by electric chair, death by lethal injection, I think you get the idea.
The end result to the madness is the same, only the methods vary.
We went through the same thing in Aus and people voted out the liberal party and got the labor party in.
Now they want the liberals back.
But they both do what the bankster trash tell them.
Stop the madness, refuse to pick the method of your own demise.
Answer me this, if EVERYONE refused to vote, what would they do?


Lord Sidious,

Your duality remarks are not something that helps me to think about what you say. What it says about you, to me, is that you think I'm not evolved enough yet to see the picture>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as you do. I see the picture and at the same time do not negate duality. It is in the Matrix!!

To answer your question>>>>>>>>>>>>>the government that is in power would continue to govern and start some kind of suck up con job to the citizens.................another elongated costly strategy to the game we are all playing around the world.

You may choose to not to partake in the matrix, no problem, but humanity is far to behind the eight ball to join you at your level of consciousness not to play the game>>>>>>>>>>>I'm grateful that some are awake enough to start to see there is a matrix and even thinking about what are the lesser of the evils is a fantastic move in the right direction...

I personally will support those in their efforts of waking versus inferring they are not awake enough. Rings of some kind of sense of intellectual superiority versus compassion to me.

Ok, you are free to take my remarks any way you wish, regardless of how I intend them.
You know the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
I am trying to show you guys that you will always get what you always have if you always do what you always have.
Break the cycle and stop the insanity.

Dear Lord Sidious,

I get your point, actually the first time, never mind all the others. However, change demands a transition unless crisis demands the leap without a transition. Humanity overall thus far does not appear to be taking the leap. So to reiterate, doing something is better than doing nothing unless all are on board to do nothing.

We are far from the 100th monkey so I believe in supporting the ones that are watching and then trying to do something different from the same old, same old. I'm 63 years old and I can't remember a time when it wasn't either the Conservatives or Liberals in power here in Canada. Albeit in incognito of TPTB>>>>>>>>>>any move of awareness to try and make a change starts the ball rolling and that is what counts versus nothing.

[Lord Sidious]

We have to vote to get rid of him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph_-qac-u98

Ill never get the picture up!

He's being controlled by the corporations. He's into everything I hate; GMO, pharmaceutical companies; genetically engineered trees; he wants to spend billions on jets (WTF); he supports the seal hunt; he wants to be like his daddy Obama after he lost his daddy, Bush; he wants to give Canada to the Americans; he's become an habitual liar.

You guys are thinking in the duality again.
THEY control all the major parties.
Sure, you can vote death by hanging out and you know what choices you have to replace it?
Death by shooting, death by electric chair, death by lethal injection, I think you get the idea.
The end result to the madness is the same, only the methods vary.
We went through the same thing in Aus and people voted out the liberal party and got the labor party in.
Now they want the liberals back.
But they both do what the bankster trash tell them.
Stop the madness, refuse to pick the method of your own demise.
Answer me this, if EVERYONE refused to vote, what would they do?


Lord Sidious,

Your duality remarks are not something that helps me to think about what you say. What it says about you, to me, is that you think I'm not evolved enough yet to see the picture>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as you do. I see the picture and at the same time do not negate duality. It is in the Matrix!!

To answer your question>>>>>>>>>>>>>the government that is in power would continue to govern and start some kind of suck up con job to the citizens.................another elongated costly strategy to the game we are all playing around the world.

You may choose to not to partake in the matrix, no problem, but humanity is far to behind the eight ball to join you at your level of consciousness not to play the game>>>>>>>>>>>I'm grateful that some are awake enough to start to see there is a matrix and even thinking about what are the lesser of the evils is a fantastic move in the right direction...

I personally will support those in their efforts of waking versus inferring they are not awake enough. Rings of some kind of sense of intellectual superiority versus compassion to me.

Ok, you are free to take my remarks any way you wish, regardless of how I intend them.
You know the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
I am trying to show you guys that you will always get what you always have if you always do what you always have.
Break the cycle and stop the insanity.

Dear Lord Sidious,

I get your point, actually the first time, never mind all the others. However, change demands a transition unless crisis demands the leap without a transition. Humanity overall thus far does not appear to be taking the leap. So to reiterate, doing something is better than doing nothing unless all are on board to do nothing.

We are far from the 100th monkey so I believe in supporting the ones that are watching and then trying to do something different from the same old, same old. I'm 63 years old and I can't remember a time when it wasn't either the Conservatives or Liberals in power here in Canada. Albeit in incognito of TPTB>>>>>>>>>>any move of awareness to try and make a change starts the ball rolling and that is what counts versus nothing.

There are two ways you can go, slow and steady, or fast and furious.
Slow and steady is usually the better way, but it has one HUGE requirement to be fulfilled for success, time.
Do you think you have the time to build up to something? And time for enough people to ''wake up'' and help?

[jackovesk]

We have to vote to get rid of him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph_-qac-u98

Ill never get the picture up!

He's being controlled by the corporations. He's into everything I hate; GMO, pharmaceutical companies; genetically engineered trees; he wants to spend billions on jets (WTF); he supports the seal hunt; he wants to be like his daddy Obama after he lost his daddy, Bush; he wants to give Canada to the Americans; he's become an habitual liar.

You guys are thinking in the duality again.
THEY control all the major parties.
Sure, you can vote death by hanging out and you know what choices you have to replace it?
Death by shooting, death by electric chair, death by lethal injection, I think you get the idea.
The end result to the madness is the same, only the methods vary.
We went through the same thing in Aus and people voted out the liberal party and got the labor party in.
Now they want the liberals back.
But they both do what the bankster trash tell them.
Stop the madness, refuse to pick the method of your own demise.
Answer me this, if EVERYONE refused to vote, what would they do?

Your right Lord Sid,

...but Unfortunately Country's belonging to the Commonwealth, the Crown (Governor General) would appoint their favoured minion for us!

So we are right back to where we started...

[Lord Sidious]

We have to vote to get rid of him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph_-qac-u98

Ill never get the picture up!

He's being controlled by the corporations. He's into everything I hate; GMO, pharmaceutical companies; genetically engineered trees; he wants to spend billions on jets (WTF); he supports the seal hunt; he wants to be like his daddy Obama after he lost his daddy, Bush; he wants to give Canada to the Americans; he's become an habitual liar.

You guys are thinking in the duality again.
THEY control all the major parties.
Sure, you can vote death by hanging out and you know what choices you have to replace it?
Death by shooting, death by electric chair, death by lethal injection, I think you get the idea.
The end result to the madness is the same, only the methods vary.
We went through the same thing in Aus and people voted out the liberal party and got the labor party in.
Now they want the liberals back.
But they both do what the bankster trash tell them.
Stop the madness, refuse to pick the method of your own demise.
Answer me this, if EVERYONE refused to vote, what would they do?

Your right Lord Sid,

...but Unfortunately Country's belonging to the Commonwealth, the Crown (Governor General) would appoint their favoured minion for us!

So we are right back to where we started...

That is possible, but that would be good, that could be the spark needed for people to finally snap.

[161803398]

Canada is very small population-wise so its a bit more personal here. Its appalling the way Harper is acting. He wants to save Israel because he believes the end of the world is coming. But he doesn't give two hoots about Canada anymore. Both Liberals and Conservatives started making secret deals with the American Government years ago. They started lying and sneaking around behind people's backs. Now the American corporations are calling the shots here too. Some people like Harper because they think he is stronger than the others but the last time I saw him he was playing a piano and singing....kind of reminded me of Nero or good old George.

[Tangri]

Do yourselves a favour, vote for no one.
I think you guys have a preferential voting system don't you?
If so, don't vote.
7 years of power in a democracy is too many. Events around the globe have a direct impact every day on our economy, our standard of living, our security, and our environment. The world matters to Canada. Canada should, once again, matter to the world. At heart I'm a liberal but these days I'm an ABC (Anything but conservative) And Harper is making me a little queasy. I'm slightly wary of big brother version of government (George Orwell's book 1984) and Harper seems to be inching towards that type of total control rule. Just please go to vote Canadian and don't waste your vote or not vote just because you're pissed off at the system. It doesn't work well, but it's all we have right now.

Kindest regards my friend.

Gaia

Hi Gaia,

7 years in power which was liberal's present to them( let them to govern minority G)

[sandy]

We have to vote to get rid of him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph_-qac-u98

Ill never get the picture up!

He's being controlled by the corporations. He's into everything I hate; GMO, pharmaceutical companies; genetically engineered trees; he wants to spend billions on jets (WTF); he supports the seal hunt; he wants to be like his daddy Obama after he lost his daddy, Bush; he wants to give Canada to the Americans; he's become an habitual liar.

You guys are thinking in the duality again.
THEY control all the major parties.
Sure, you can vote death by hanging out and you know what choices you have to replace it?
Death by shooting, death by electric chair, death by lethal injection, I think you get the idea.
The end result to the madness is the same, only the methods vary.
We went through the same thing in Aus and people voted out the liberal party and got the labor party in.
Now they want the liberals back.
But they both do what the bankster trash tell them.
Stop the madness, refuse to pick the method of your own demise.
Answer me this, if EVERYONE refused to vote, what would they do?


Lord Sidious,

Your duality remarks are not something that helps me to think about what you say. What it says about you, to me, is that you think I'm not evolved enough yet to see the picture>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as you do. I see the picture and at the same time do not negate duality. It is in the Matrix!!

To answer your question>>>>>>>>>>>>>the government that is in power would continue to govern and start some kind of suck up con job to the citizens.................another elongated costly strategy to the game we are all playing around the world.

You may choose to not to partake in the matrix, no problem, but humanity is far to behind the eight ball to join you at your level of consciousness not to play the game>>>>>>>>>>>I'm grateful that some are awake enough to start to see there is a matrix and even thinking about what are the lesser of the evils is a fantastic move in the right direction...

I personally will support those in their efforts of waking versus inferring they are not awake enough. Rings of some kind of sense of intellectual superiority versus compassion to me.

Ok, you are free to take my remarks any way you wish, regardless of how I intend them.
You know the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
I am trying to show you guys that you will always get what you always have if you always do what you always have.
Break the cycle and stop the insanity.

Dear Lord Sidious,

I get your point, actually the first time, never mind all the others. However, change demands a transition unless crisis demands the leap without a transition. Humanity overall thus far does not appear to be taking the leap. So to reiterate, doing something is better than doing nothing unless all are on board to do nothing.

We are far from the 100th monkey so I believe in supporting the ones that are watching and then trying to do something different from the same old, same old. I'm 63 years old and I can't remember a time when it wasn't either the Conservatives or Liberals in power here in Canada. Albeit in incognito of TPTB>>>>>>>>>>any move of awareness to try and make a change starts the ball rolling and that is what counts versus nothing.

There are two ways you can go, slow and steady, or fast and furious.
Slow and steady is usually the better way, but it has one HUGE requirement to be fulfilled for success, time.
Do you think you have the time to build up to something? And time for enough people to ''wake up'' and help?


Well you can talk about time but to me that is not a question that can be answered by anyone, let alone little old me!!! On the other hand I wonder if one day you just woke up fully conscious and knew what to do or was it a process of learning to acquire this space you always seem to be coming from.
If it happened spontaneously for you please let me know your experience so that I too may take the leap and forget about the process learning and evolving, as I hear you and time is of the essence these days.

[Lord Sidious]

We have to vote to get rid of him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph_-qac-u98

Ill never get the picture up!

He's being controlled by the corporations. He's into everything I hate; GMO, pharmaceutical companies; genetically engineered trees; he wants to spend billions on jets (WTF); he supports the seal hunt; he wants to be like his daddy Obama after he lost his daddy, Bush; he wants to give Canada to the Americans; he's become an habitual liar.

You guys are thinking in the duality again.
THEY control all the major parties.
Sure, you can vote death by hanging out and you know what choices you have to replace it?
Death by shooting, death by electric chair, death by lethal injection, I think you get the idea.
The end result to the madness is the same, only the methods vary.
We went through the same thing in Aus and people voted out the liberal party and got the labor party in.
Now they want the liberals back.
But they both do what the bankster trash tell them.
Stop the madness, refuse to pick the method of your own demise.
Answer me this, if EVERYONE refused to vote, what would they do?


Lord Sidious,

Your duality remarks are not something that helps me to think about what you say. What it says about you, to me, is that you think I'm not evolved enough yet to see the picture>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as you do. I see the picture and at the same time do not negate duality. It is in the Matrix!!

To answer your question>>>>>>>>>>>>>the government that is in power would continue to govern and start some kind of suck up con job to the citizens.................another elongated costly strategy to the game we are all playing around the world.

You may choose to not to partake in the matrix, no problem, but humanity is far to behind the eight ball to join you at your level of consciousness not to play the game>>>>>>>>>>>I'm grateful that some are awake enough to start to see there is a matrix and even thinking about what are the lesser of the evils is a fantastic move in the right direction...

I personally will support those in their efforts of waking versus inferring they are not awake enough. Rings of some kind of sense of intellectual superiority versus compassion to me.

Ok, you are free to take my remarks any way you wish, regardless of how I intend them.
You know the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
I am trying to show you guys that you will always get what you always have if you always do what you always have.
Break the cycle and stop the insanity.

Dear Lord Sidious,

I get your point, actually the first time, never mind all the others. However, change demands a transition unless crisis demands the leap without a transition. Humanity overall thus far does not appear to be taking the leap. So to reiterate, doing something is better than doing nothing unless all are on board to do nothing.

We are far from the 100th monkey so I believe in supporting the ones that are watching and then trying to do something different from the same old, same old. I'm 63 years old and I can't remember a time when it wasn't either the Conservatives or Liberals in power here in Canada. Albeit in incognito of TPTB>>>>>>>>>>any move of awareness to try and make a change starts the ball rolling and that is what counts versus nothing.

There are two ways you can go, slow and steady, or fast and furious.
Slow and steady is usually the better way, but it has one HUGE requirement to be fulfilled for success, time.
Do you think you have the time to build up to something? And time for enough people to ''wake up'' and help?


Well you can talk about time but to me that is not a question that can be answered by anyone, let alone little old me!!! On the other hand I wonder if one day you just woke up fully conscious and knew what to do or was it a process of learning to acquire this space you always seem to be coming from.
If it happened spontaneously for you please let me know your experience so that I too may take the leap and forget about the process learning and evolving, as I hear you and time is of the essence these days.

I had a gradual thing happening from about 13 or so to about 30.
Then from there it has been full on, more like figuring out where all the jigsaw puzzle pieces fit, rather than wondering what they were.

[161803398]

A few people are waking up and helping:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwUvFSS25jo&feature=youtu.be

why cant I get the picture?

[sandy]

Dear Lord Sidious,

Thank you sharing your experience and lengthy period of transition to get to where you are today. My journey has only been one of sincerity for the last 3 years and in that I have had to let go of many precious people, (or should I say they have abandoned me) since awakening. I have lost my identity of many years, comfort, luxuries, financial security and on and on so it has been tough. However no matter how hard I try to shut my eyes I can't so this is my next journey in this life time as I now don't fit into the old way of being and living.

This is why I get triggered when I feel that others are not being validated for where they are at and encouraged along the way. I do know my sensitivity can be a stumbling block for me as I feel everything to the depths of great pain and great joy. I do think though at the same time if others incorporated their heart with their mind and utilized both sides of the brain together, the masses would be moved a lot faster.

There is a saying but not sure where it came from but it goes like this "Nobody cares how much you know..............until they know how much you care". Well I got the caring side down pretty good so now I'm working on the knowing side and learning the process of balance between intellect and heart.

Liciano De Crescenzo's (quote) WE ARE EACH OF US ANGELS WITH ONLY ONE WING AND WE CAN ONLY FLY EMBRACING EACH OTHER

I love this quote as until we are fully passed duality I think we are angels with only one wing. Thanks for being here and helping me to fly!!

[161803398]

we have to vote for the person in the area who is not conservative and has a chance of winning. Its a strategy game here. I'd vote green but in my area the guy who will win is NDP so I have to vote NDP.

[Lord Sidious]

Dear Lord Sidious,

Thank you sharing your experience and lengthy period of transition to get to where you are today. My journey has only been one of sincerity for the last 3 years and in that I have had to let go of many precious people, (or should I say they have abandoned me) since awakening. I have lost my identity of many years, comfort, luxuries, financial security and on and on so it has been tough. However no matter how hard I try to shut my eyes I can't so this is my next journey in this life time as I now don't fit into the old way of being and living.

This is why I get triggered when I feel that others are not being validated for where they are at and encouraged along the way. I do know my sensitivity can be a stumbling block for me as I feel everything to the depths of great pain and great joy. I do think though at the same time if others incorporated their heart with their mind and utilized both sides of the brain together, the masses would be moved a lot faster.

There is a saying but not sure where it came from but it goes like this "Nobody cares how much you know..............until they know how much you care". Well I got the caring side down pretty good so now I'm working on the knowing side and learning the process of balance between intellect and heart.

Liciano De Crescenzo's (quote) WE ARE EACH OF US ANGELS WITH ONLY ONE WING AND WE CAN ONLY FLY EMBRACING EACH OTHER

I love this quote as until we are fully passed duality I think we are angels with only one wing. Thanks for being here and helping me to fly!!

Don't take my posts as aggressive, in case you were.
I struggle to get the full meaning of what I am trying to convey in text.
I have much to share, some of it would be mindboggling for most on the forum, hence me wanting to get the radio up and running, I can get things across better that way.
The result of my behaviour that I am seeking is to give others more tools to figure out what is wrong and what they can do for themselves.

[toothpick]

We here in Canada have put up wih this pompous ass for 7 years now.
He has shut down Parliment twice, puts fences up to keep press away.
Also if your near one of his rallys, but not a supporter, you,ll be chased away with fear and mockery. Works really well.
It seems as thougth Mr. Harper actually has a goon squad.
You do a good job running our Country badly as an emotionless droid, but here in The Great White North we like our Poli,s to be a little more sensitive and human.
Mr. Ignatief home in Canada from a teaching position at Harvard, seems to be a breath of fresh air.
I,m just not sure anymore.
Maybe, we should do as Jesse Ventura says.
Don,t vote for either of the two leading parties , Concervative or Liberal and put a, None of The Above, voting slot on the ballet.
Man, something would hit the fan then.
Break the cycle of pain, move on.
Oh yeah, that great picture was an insult to Napolean.

toothpick

[sandy]

Dear Lord Sidious,

Thank you sharing your experience and lengthy period of transition to get to where you are today. My journey has only been one of sincerity for the last 3 years and in that I have had to let go of many precious people, (or should I say they have abandoned me) since awakening. I have lost my identity of many years, comfort, luxuries, financial security and on and on so it has been tough. However no matter how hard I try to shut my eyes I can't so this is my next journey in this life time as I now don't fit into the old way of being and living.

This is why I get triggered when I feel that others are not being validated for where they are at and encouraged along the way. I do know my sensitivity can be a stumbling block for me as I feel everything to the depths of great pain and great joy. I do think though at the same time if others incorporated their heart with their mind and utilized both sides of the brain together, the masses would be moved a lot faster.

There is a saying but not sure where it came from but it goes like this "Nobody cares how much you know..............until they know how much you care". Well I got the caring side down pretty good so now I'm working on the knowing side and learning the process of balance between intellect and heart.

Liciano De Crescenzo's (quote) WE ARE EACH OF US ANGELS WITH ONLY ONE WING AND WE CAN ONLY FLY EMBRACING EACH OTHER

I love this quote as until we are fully passed duality I think we are angels with only one wing. Thanks for being here and helping me to fly!!

Don't take my posts as aggressive, in case you were.
I struggle to get the full meaning of what I am trying to convey in text.
I have much to share, some of it would be mindboggling for most on the forum, hence me wanting to get the radio up and running, I can get things across better that way.
The result of my behaviour that I am seeking is to give others more tools to figure out what is wrong and what they can do for themselves.

Just so you know, I did not take you as being aggressive. More like being authoritative, like a parent to a child. However now that we are actually conversing adult to adult I thank you and I look forward to learning those tools. If I may suggest>>>>>>>>>>Story telling is a great tool and I would love to hear more of your story, the puzzle pieces and what process you went through putting them together. Talk with us and not at us is what story telling is all about and why the traditions of most native peoples have been remembered all these years. It also gives the listener the freedom of choice to accept or not accept the story and wisdom and ask questions for more learning.

I look forward to more and I too hope you get the radio going soon :)

[Gaia]

Ontario is a winner with proportional representation. Québec must apply for a guarantee of 25% of the seats in the Commons on the basis that Quebec is a nation and is entitled to as a guaranteed minimum.This is what leads to the conclusion that Gilles Duceppe to defend Québec's interests must vote for the Bloc in Ottawa.

The basic aim of proportional representation system is to reduce the gap between the share of the national vote received by a party, and its share of seats in parliament, which is a cause more just. Moreover, seeking the meaning of the adjective "Fair"in the dictionary, you can discover two different senses: first, that which is consistent with the principles of justice, law and the equity on the other hand, is what is good and proper.

The benefits of proportional representation :

A) An ideal vision

B) A mathematical representation reassuring

The disadvantages of proportional representation :

A) A complex operation that betrays the people

B) A feud within the party


Lord Durham wrote: "The English are superior to the French, not only by money but by intelligence. They will still dominate the country" Sorry I couldn't resist :o


Very cheap shot. I've heard so much stupidities of Lord Durham's alike and plainly red necks over my life time that you would forward excuses and I would not accept them. You would not write this if you were talking about Jews or Blacks. When we have such reactions again showing up in our faces, our only desire becomes to make sure we make the "Englishes pi... off" a little more.

I was thinking of voting Green, as I did last time, but now you are convincing me to vote for the Bloc.

I could not resist to respond to constantly sustained racism and prejudices being still promulgated even on Avalon.

Variable geometry Flash;)

B'nai B'rith ... The reasonable accommodation debate has revived the vile beast. The Jewish Congress is concerned about the crusade of secularism of the Parti Quebecois. I worry about the crusade Likud Netanyahu. Here is a soundboard of official lies and manipulation.Who Remembers Québec Bashing at the Oka crisis. Buses of supporters of big Canada converged on Québec City to denounce the wicked Québécois. Yet in 1995 the Ipperwash in Ontario which opposed Objibwés and state. Violent confrontation between protesters and police in Ontario the OPP, causing the death of Dudley George. Were was the supporters bus, media and mourners ?!

In Québec, we are more close to the French culture that names loudly and clearly that we are all equal and we take the necessary steps to achieve equality intercultural. In the rest of Canada is the small steps approach: We welcome immigrants as they are, with their differences, although these may be highly questionable, and hopefully, medium and long term, that they assimilate the thought and way of being Anglo-Saxon. In short, it is the gradual conversion. Canada's approach to English (Anglo-Saxon) is not so bad in itself: After all, this approach allowed us to preserve our language, our lifestyle and our institutions after the Conquest. Vestige of the British Empire, this approach reflects a long and extensive experience in the field of English colonization.

However, we must not delude ourselves: the ultimate goal of the approach by "Small steps" is the English translation of their values ​​from those different from themselves, not an unconditional acceptance of this difference. The proof is that it is 200 years that the English we tolerate our differences (We Québécois) But it is 200 years we are left with the feeling that they would like us to change to be like them more. Yes ! Most Québécois are racist separatists, hardliners.

In Canada, such a legitimate right is extended to the two founding peoples (British and French), and in 1982, the CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS also grants more rights to other groups.

Variable geometry = Democracy is not applied in the same manner from one person to another or from one group to another. That is what we taught recently Toronto Police Service in the conduct of joint summits of G8 and G20. Little by little then eroded the core values ​​of democracy and rapidly approaching us from autocracy with Harper.

[king anthony]

Regardless of my personal opinion of the messenger, the message is clear - Rise up against your apathy and get rid of Steven Harper!

I say, it matters not who is elected for the government will always be in power. The puppets are “here” as “there”.


Good choice, think of all of the people who have struggled, and even died, so we could have the right to choose our candidates and our officials, so we could have the freedom to choose all of them and more.

I say, those who have lost their lives did so not for the people, but rather what is. Has not all that has been told by “them” been deception!? Has not sovereignty of lands and people "became" a memory!? Has not all things been to serve corporate policy (the state), serving the “few” - been paramount in these times!? Has not choice simply been an illusion, as the debt slave has been and still is!? I say, those who have lost their lives for a lie aided not the masses but rather the “few” – intelligence gave them knowledge and understanding prior – by their own freewill they made choice.


Do yourselves a favour, vote for no one.

Well said.


If you guys participate in the system, you are accessories before, during and after the fact in any crimes they commit.

Spoken fact; as one participates with knowledge of how things truly are – ignorance is no defense.

[Carmody]

OK so we do have a choice: To vote or not to vote. For the Reform party leader who hijacked the Conservative party without a vote being cast, or the US academic who hijacked the Liberal Party without a vote being cast. Great.

One thing to do is to try and push the insidious aspects of voting into the system. For example, try to get a bill pushed through that makes it illegal (minimum fine $500) for anyone of voting age to not vote.

That will shift the direction and the results in the given federal votes. It would be unpredictable enough to at least jostle the machine.

It is possible to 'oust' the machine from the system, to some degree. It does take time and it does take dedication. I have friends who have successfully gone up against the machine. Their reward was to have their lives intruded upon by the given machine (observation, all paperwork looked into , phone's tapped, etc) . The machine does not like a populace that stands up to them.

Two advantages you may have:

They are not as smart as anyone might think, they are someone's minion. only rarely does one of these punters have what it takes to be intellectual, cogent and cognizant, sharp and/or incisive/decisive. Mostly, specifically on the redneck side, (Republican on the US, Conservative in Canada), they are left brained people and totally out of touch with the control and emotional mental expression that can come from having mental and emotional underpinnings in balance. This means they end up like Stephen Harper. Dumber than a bag of hammers and he is obviously someone else's dog. To be clearer, I'm talking about the man being a animalistic dorrknob of incredibly dubious intellect. Which is why he was allowed to get the job.

Then I realize that the IQ standard is the MEDIAN..and I realize he only has too fool enough of the people.

The trick to gaining their support (conservative supporters) is to show them specifically, in a limited amount of mundane terms, how Harper and his crew are damaging that 'limited animal based' world view. Catch phrases are critical to this world view as is polarization.

[Gaia]

...but Unfortunately Country's belonging to the Commonwealth, the Crown (Governor General) would appoint their favoured minion for us!

So we are right back to where we started...[/QUOTE]

Had to reply to say how bloody hilarious that was ! Thanks !

[Apogee]

Hi All,

Great thread and being from Edmonton, have an opinion about the elections. I personally like elections because it gives us an opportunity to evaluate the people we choose to represent us. That is a admirable notion I believe but where it fails us is that our choices are more loyal to their party and not the people who elected them. Regardless of the people running, they represent their party and not the wishes or desires of the voter. If there was an independant who stood up and said, "I will bring the issue to the people who elected me and will voice their opinion once we explored the pro's and con's." I would vote for that person in a heartbeat. I have been a political animal for many years and can explain the good policies and bad policies of each and every political party we have. The conservatives and liberals have some good ideas however they always have us on the losing end when it comes to their support of the PTB. The NDP has some good ideas when it comes to our social safety net and small business however when it comes to energy issues, it would shut down most of our oil industry. This may seem like a good idea but also remember it is Alberta that pays for the largest majority of the bills for Canada. To put that another way, it is the same as each and every Albertan to reach into their pockets and each pay an additional $9000 to help pay Canada's bills. Don't get me wrong here. I am all for green energy and not because of the global warming farce but because it is one less dollar we pay to huge corporations.

I so wish I did not have to vote for a party but a person who truly represents democracy and a wish to represent the people and not party ideals. I would like to see the power go to the people and not those who run political parties.

I still haven't decided which is the less of the evils to vote for.

Have a good one

[Gaia]

OK so we do have a choice: To vote or not to vote. For the Reform party leader who hijacked the Conservative party without a vote being cast, or the US academic who hijacked the Liberal Party without a vote being cast. Great.

One thing to do is to try and push the insidious aspects of voting into the system. For example, try to get a bill pushed through that makes it illegal (minimum fine $500) for anyone of voting age to not vote.

That will shift the direction and the results in the given federal votes. It would be unpredictable enough to at least jostle the machine.

It is possible to 'oust' the machine from the system, to some degree. It does take time and it does take dedication. I have friends who have successfully gone up against the machine. Their reward was to have their lives intruded upon by the given machine (observation, all paperwork looked into , phone's tapped, etc) . The machine does not like a populace that stands up to them.

Two advantages you may have:

They are not as smart as anyone might think, they are someone's minion. only rarely does one of these punters have what it takes to be intellectual, cogent and cognizant, sharp and/or incisive/decisive. Mostly, specifically on the redneck side, (Republican on the US, Conservative in Canada), they are left brained people and totally out of touch with the control and emotional mental expression that can come from having mental and emotional underpinnings in balance. This means they end up like Stephen Harper. Dumber than a bag of hammers and he is obviously someone else's dog. To be clearer, I'm talking about the man being a animalistic dorrknob of incredibly dubious intellect. Which is why he was allowed to get the job.

Then I realize that the IQ standard is the MEDIAN..and I realize he only has too fool enough of the people.

The trick to gaining their support (conservative supporters) is to show them specifically, in a limited amount of mundane terms, how Harper and his crew are damaging that 'limited animal based' world view. Catch phrases are critical to this world view as is polarization.

According Article 4 of The Human Rights Act can force us to vote under threat of negative sanctions. People do not vote to demonstrate their displeasure they vote White because they do not take the time to vote anymore. :p You've probably noticed how the idealistic political / religious / philosophical are arrogant. Political leaders who achieve certain results, successful major reforms have you not noticed how they are imbues d'eux mêmes et rengorgent ;) talking about their ideals and their successes ? They are at their highest esteem. Read some political speeches, watch some of those who call themselves reformers, and you will see that in the very process of reform they cultivate their egos, their reforms, so extensive they are, are therefore limited to the part of the prison, they are so destructive and ultimately bring to man additional suffering and conflict. If you experience lucid all these social structures, these patterns collective that we call civilization if you can understand that and you identify, break down the walls of the company that is yours and you pull, you are, Muslim or Christian, left or right, you'll notice when he is born in you a confidence that is not polluted by this sense of arrogance. Is the confidence of innocence. It is like the confidence of a child who is totally innocent if he is willing to try anything. It is an innocent confidence that will nurture a new civilization.

[Lord Sidious]

Hi All,

Great thread and being from Edmonton, have an opinion about the elections. I personally like elections because it gives us an opportunity to evaluate the people we choose to represent us. That is a admirable notion I believe but where it fails us is that our choices are more loyal to their party and not the people who elected them. Regardless of the people running, they represent their party and not the wishes or desires of the voter. If there was an independant who stood up and said, "I will bring the issue to the people who elected me and will voice their opinion once we explored the pro's and con's." I would vote for that person in a heartbeat. I have been a political animal for many years and can explain the good policies and bad policies of each and every political party we have. The conservatives and liberals have some good ideas however they always have us on the losing end when it comes to their support of the PTB. The NDP has some good ideas when it comes to our social safety net and small business however when it comes to energy issues, it would shut down most of our oil industry. This may seem like a good idea but also remember it is Alberta that pays for the largest majority of the bills for Canada. To put that another way, it is the same as each and every Albertan to reach into their pockets and each pay an additional $9000 to help pay Canada's bills. Don't get me wrong here. I am all for green energy and not because of the global warming farce but because it is one less dollar we pay to huge corporations.

I so wish I did not have to vote for a party but a person who truly represents democracy and a wish to represent the people and not party ideals. I would like to see the power go to the people and not those who run political parties.

I still haven't decided which is the less of the evils to vote for.

Have a good one

Democracy? What the?
You know that is like the two wolves and the lamb voting on the dinner menu?
Democracy is one of the most dangerous systems ever seen.
The only one more dangerous is what follows after the democracy goes bankrupt.



According Article 4 of The Human Rights Act can force us to vote under threat of negative sanctions.

There are more of you than them, if you let them, more fool you.

[Gaia]

According Article 4 of The Human Rights Act can force us to vote under threat of negative sanctions.

There are more of you than them, if you let them, more fool you.
It must be said that we must cling to understand the art of writing pages that turn round to get to "Everything goes wrong" As I am concerned that the only way for man to progress lies in the constant questioning of accepted ideas and beliefs.

More than you think have been teaching the art of brainwashing.:rolleyes:

[Flash]

OK so we do have a choice: To vote or not to vote. For the Reform party leader who hijacked the Conservative party without a vote being cast, or the US academic who hijacked the Liberal Party without a vote being cast. Great.

One thing to do is to try and push the insidious aspects of voting into the system. For example, try to get a bill pushed through that makes it illegal (minimum fine $500) for anyone of voting age to not vote.

That will shift the direction and the results in the given federal votes. It would be unpredictable enough to at least jostle the machine.

It is possible to 'oust' the machine from the system, to some degree. It does take time and it does take dedication. I have friends who have successfully gone up against the machine. Their reward was to have their lives intruded upon by the given machine (observation, all paperwork looked into , phone's tapped, etc) . The machine does not like a populace that stands up to them.

Two advantages you may have:

They are not as smart as anyone might think, they are someone's minion. only rarely does one of these punters have what it takes to be intellectual, cogent and cognizant, sharp and/or incisive/decisive. Mostly, specifically on the redneck side, (Republican on the US, Conservative in Canada), they are left brained people and totally out of touch with the control and emotional mental expression that can come from having mental and emotional underpinnings in balance. This means they end up like Stephen Harper. Dumber than a bag of hammers and he is obviously someone else's dog. To be clearer, I'm talking about the man being a animalistic dorrknob (my preferred description) of incredibly dubious intellect. Which is why he was allowed to get the job.Then I realize that the IQ standard is the MEDIAN..and I realize he only has too fool enough of the people.

The trick to gaining their support (conservative supporters) is to show them specifically, in a limited amount of mundane terms, how Harper and his crew are damaging that 'limited animal based' world view. Catch phrases are critical to this world view as is polarization.

I agree with all of you guys, Harper must be out. However, as you say Carmody, the IQ standard is the median, and the "incredibly dubious intellect" knows how to address the median. And nobody else actually seems to have political rhetoric with sufficient catch phrases to address the conservative world view and to polarize it otherwise.

I also agree with Lord Sedious about not voting at all, not participating in already thrown dices. However, this has been tried before for a majority of potential voters (not voting), and it brought in Harper.

Therefore, the solution I was proposing earlier on is not that stupid:

1. We want Harper out absolutely, or at the most in a minority government,
2. We do not trust much more anything Liberal
3. And the NPD has little chance.
4. Those that have no chance at all to have any power are the Green party and the Bloc.

Therefore Voting for any of the two is like not voting at all (it does not really weight on te balance) while it still takes away the chance for a majority government from Harper and the conservatives.

If we push it even further in crazy ways, which I don't even foresee ever happening, but an interesting thought, any meaningful vote from the west (1-3%) for the Bloc would be like anarchists having a stand and holding to it. It would throw liberals and conservatives in disarray while not giving any true support to Quebec anyhow. The two parties would just not know any longer what to expect from the electorate. The thought of it is quite funny though. Of course, this would be if the votes are not manipulated from the start (as it was probably the case with Bush). Pretty sure they would be manipulated afterward if that was to happen.

[Wookie]

I have not voted in a very long time because there has not been an "other" option. I have come to realize that this only helps the idiots that think they are going to get democracy from their vote. So this year I'm promoting the under dog, not because i agree with party politics, but because i would rather vote for a up front and honest mad man that a lier. see Rhino party.

Peaceful Journeys Wookie