Drivers who don't renew car insurance in time 'will be clamped on their driveway'

[ktlight]

Motorists who fail to renew their car insurance face having their car clamped in their driveway, seized and destroyed.

The clamp-and-scrap powers, being given to the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) by ministers, are a fresh weapon in the Government’s fight against uninsured drivers.

The new system, called continuous insurance enforcement, goes fully live in June and means cars must be insured at all times - and no long have to be spotted on the road to be clamped and seized.

The only exception is if the registered keeper makes an official declaration that the car is permanently off road and not being driven.

source
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378219/Drivers-dont-renew-insurance-time-face-having-car-clamped.html#ixzz1JuvwymCL

[Lord Sidious]

Interesting.
So part 12 of the Bill of Rights doesn't apply anymore?


That all grants and promises of fines and forfeitures of particular persons before conviction are illegal and void
Plus, unless it is the crown authorising entry to the property, the offender risks being a tortfeasor.
For me, I think this is an excellent move. Squeeze even tighter and even more join the opposition.
Thanks parliamentnuggets.

[ktlight]

Interesting.
So part 12 of the Bill of Rights doesn't apply anymore?


That all grants and promises of fines and forfeitures of particular persons before conviction are illegal and void
Plus, unless it is the crown authorising entry to the property, the offender risks being a tortfeasor.
For me, I think this is an excellent move. Squeeze even tighter and even more join the opposition.
Thanks parliamentnuggets.

I had to look it up. So, for the benefit of others "TORTFEASOR" = A wrong-doer, one who does wrong; one who commits a trespass or is guilty of a tort.

[Lord Sidious]

Interesting.
So part 12 of the Bill of Rights doesn't apply anymore?


That all grants and promises of fines and forfeitures of particular persons before conviction are illegal and void
Plus, unless it is the crown authorising entry to the property, the offender risks being a tortfeasor.
For me, I think this is an excellent move. Squeeze even tighter and even more join the opposition.
Thanks parliamentnuggets.

I had to look it up. So, for the benefit of others "TORTFEASOR" = A wrong-doer, one who does wrong; one who commits a trespass or is guilty of a tort.

And that is the exact reason I don't explain, you went on your own journey and discovered the answer.
Good work.

[butcherman]

try this one for size me old nugget ,having moved 6 times in the last 10 years my driving licence is at one address V5 logbook at another tax every year at the post office without the reminder and insurance c/o the mother in-laws address no fine no parking fees no endorsements. no letter box no elluminati lol i am aware of the broken laws but where will they call to collect ?

[Lord Sidious]

try this one for size me old nugget ,having moved 6 times in the last 10 years my driving licence is at one address V5 logbook at another tax every year at the post office without the reminder and insurance c/o the mother in-laws address no fine no parking fees no endorsements. no letter box no elluminati lol i am aware of the broken laws but where will they call to collect ?

If they are desperate enough, they will do a database search and find you quickly.
Not sure how often that would happen due to a lack of resources.

[9eagle9]

Destroy the car? Why? Who'd benefit from the destruction of a car. Well wrecker companies most likely given tidy huge sum contracts from the gov. Sinking auto companies would certainly like this new created niche of new car buyers . They may even offer incentives if the gov has seized and destroyed your car FORCING you to buy another. A coupon sorta. Can you hear the commercial now? "Has the government seized and destroyed your car? Well come on down to Big Bob's Car Mart, and we'll set you right up with ...."

Some savior will step in and suggest some legislation that new car payments have the auto insurance built in.

Here in the states cars with a bank or finance note on the them HAVE to be insured FULLY.

Cars without a note have to have minimum insurance on them.

So which group of people will be more likely to have their cars seized and destroyed based?

Insurance isn't supposed to be something you are forced into purchasing btw. The US has recently shot down legislation forcing citizens to carry health insurance based on this premise. Unfortunately they ignore the whole pesty auto insurance thing which is not based on one's driving record but their CREDIT record. You can park your car in a tree every night of the week, but the moment your credit record changes your rates go up (never down though....nooooooo)

I'm sorry I'd laugh if that weren't so pathetic. Let me project a little here. Very shortly insurance companies will be offering quick policies to ensure state seizure and destruction of automobiles. A bit pricy too I'm sure.

Destroying the car makes no sense to me at all until one examines who may benefit from it in a monetary sense. Unless the powers that be are given the understanding that when a car is seized it may still run amok , driverless, and still uninsured, and must be put down in the manner of some wild rabid animal in order to keep that possibility from happening.


Sarcasm intended. Irony too.

[king anthony]

Motorists who fail to renew their car insurance face having their car clamped in their driveway, seized and destroyed.

I say, this applies because the debt slave owns nothing. Ownership and registration makes one’s property the property of “them” – done so voluntarily, but unknowingly. I say, what if one reclaims their own ownership (of self) and all they “have in hand”!?

How has corporate policy become law!? I say, when the masses have allowed it to be so.

Return “unto Caesar” and reclaim one’s sovereignty. One may wish to return such materials as their “driver’s license”, “vehicle registration”, “plates” and “insurance policy” (optional); as these are the “things” that bind one and “what is in hand” to “them”.

Return of such should be done formally with notice. Is it not easier to say it “cannot be done” and do nothing; or to make it be!? Is it not a burden to do nothing and live the rest of one’s life without freedom; or to take “time” now for a better tomorrow!?

The choice is “yours” to make – do you know where “your” vehicle is??

[9eagle9]

And what you say is true then actually who owns the car needs to pay for the insurance. The bank.

It's the same principal as to what happened in the US when the government called in all the gold, and then stated they would be assuming the debts of the people. So let them assume the debt.




Motorists who fail to renew their car insurance face having their car clamped in their driveway, seized and destroyed.

I say, this applies because the debt slave owns nothing. Ownership and registration makes one’s property the property of “them” – done so voluntarily, but unknowingly. I say, what if one reclaims their own ownership (of self) and all they “have in hand”!?

How has corporate policy become law!? I say, when the masses have allowed it to be so.

Return “unto Caesar” and reclaim one’s sovereignty. One may wish to return such materials as their “driver’s license”, “vehicle registration”, “plates” and “insurance policy” (optional); as these are the “things” that bind one and “what is in hand” to “them”.

Return of such should be done formally with notice. Is it not easier to say it “cannot be done” and do nothing; or to make it be!? Is it not a burden to do nothing and live the rest of one’s life without freedom; or to take “time” now for a better tomorrow!?

The choice is “yours” to make – do you know where “your” vehicle is??

[king anthony]

And what you say is true then actually who owns the car needs to pay for the insurance. The bank.

It's the same principal as to what happened in the US when the government called in all the gold, and then stated they would be assuming the debts of the people. So let them assume the debt.



Motorists who fail to renew their car insurance face having their car clamped in their driveway, seized and destroyed.

I say, this applies because the debt slave owns nothing. Ownership and registration makes one’s property the property of “them”

It is this thinking that will ensure success in making change! Well said.

[butcherman]

and what would they find old information at an old address, to own is to pay, mobile contract girlfriends name ,electoral roll not on it, medical records old address i can keep going. i have relinquished all rights to my property own nothing pay nothing .

[ace]

To many deaths on the road from drivers who are un insured.
Clamp all cars, make every one use a bike.

Ace

[9eagle9]

Deaths aren't caused by uninsured drivers, auto accident deaths by insured drivers are as prevalent . Insurance, especially no fault, simply indicates that the insurance company will take responsibility for any monetary liability incurred during an accident. It's a money making racket coming and going. Auto insurance doesn't prevent accidents.

And People who are under or not insured tend to be more careful because they don't want to draw the attention of the authorities. Here in Michigan there are no stringent guidelines to maintaining a policy on a car that hasn't a note on it. The bank enforces insurance on noted cars. If an un noted car is pulled over and found lacking in insurance a citation is issued, the driver toddles down to the insurance company pickes up a policy, presents it to the court and the citation is dismissed because they're all in bed with each other on a legislative level.. They don't give a rats bee-hind about your life they want the money, honey.

Suggesting I ride a bike ten miles to the feed store to throw a couple hundred pound sacks of feed on my bike and pedal back I'm going to say , you do it first if I don't mumble about clamping your head first...lol. . Not to mention bike riders are cited quite frequently and they have no means of insuring against personal and public damage. A horse and buggy would be a solvent solution in context (if some green day arsehole doesn't start riding me about my horses methane output) but I'd get so many citations there and back because the automobile insurance companies can't insure horses. And I'll pay out the horse's ass because they don't. They will get their money one way or the other because it is a racket and only a racket.

It's a racket and they will keep it a racket as long as people keep paying in to the racket.

[Lord Sidious]

and what would they find old information at an old address, to own is to pay, mobile contract girlfriends name ,electoral roll not on it, medical records old address i can keep going. i have relinquished all rights to my property own nothing pay nothing .

You might be one of the ones that are hard to find, that is possible.
Do you have any bills in your name at that address? Internet or anything at all?

[ace]

Deaths aren't caused by uninsured drivers, auto accident deaths by insured drivers are as prevalent . Insurance, especially no fault, simply indicates that the insurance company will take responsibility for any monetary liability incurred during an accident. It's a money making racket coming and going. Auto insurance doesn't prevent accidents.

And People who are under or not insured tend to be more careful because they don't want to draw the attention of the authorities. Here in Michigan there are no stringent guidelines to maintaining a policy on a car that hasn't a note on it. The bank enforces insurance on noted cars. If an un noted car is pulled over and found lacking in insurance a citation is issued, the driver toddles down to the insurance company pickes up a policy, presents it to the court and the citation is dismissed because they're all in bed with each other on a legislative level.. They don't give a rats bee-hind about your life they want the money, honey.

Suggesting I ride a bike ten miles to the feed store to throw a couple hundred pound sacks of feed on my bike and pedal back I'm going to say , you do it first if I don't mumble about clamping your head first...lol. . Not to mention bike riders are cited quite frequently and they have no means of insuring against personal and public damage. A horse and buggy would be a solvent solution in context (if some green day arsehole doesn't start riding me about my horses methane output) but I'd get so many citations there and back because the automobile insurance companies can't insure horses. And I'll pay out the horse's ass because they don't. They will get their money one way or the other because it is a racket and only a racket.

It's a racket and they will keep it a racket as long as people keep paying in to the racket.

It can be done...
7004

[Arrowwind]

I probably should not get on this thread... I really believe in auto insurance.. liability at least.
The insurance we have paid into vehilces over the years has really paid off for us..keeping us out of
the financial hole on several occassions related to car theft and a non injury accident.

And pissed as hell I would be if someone took out one of my kids and landed them in the hospital and had no insurance to help pay for their recovery.

Driving is not a right in my view... It is a privilige that one must earn and maintain... because there is much more at stake than one's own measly life.

I do think the UK is going way over board though... how they going to know that a car has been uninsured? someone is checking... perhaps a warning and a fine? would be more appropriate if this has become a big issue over there..

Our biggest issue with uninsured drivers in the US, I think is with illegal visitors.

[sunnyrap]

How do they know? Every little detail of your life lives on a government and or corporate computer...that pretty much most of the corps have access to as well. Talked to my cousin the insurance agent about moving my policy to his company today, he told me things coming up in my database I wasn't even aware of about other family members connected to the household! He read off the whole family's history and current standing.

They keep very close tabs on us all. Here in Texas, the Dudleys can punch in your license plate number and find out the entire history of the car, the driver, whether there are outstanding warrants, tickets or expired insurance. We are surveilled to the maximum, folks. What bothers me are the humans using these data bases that don't understand how they themselves have lost all their own sovreignty along with the other poor humans they have the dubious privilege of a little control over as well. Cameras on every traffic-lighted corner can now find you instantly if someone cares to want to.

I'm beginning to think the sun's biggest coronal ejection might come at our own mass silent prayer for delivery from this electronic tyranny...

[9eagle9]

Your welcome to lead the way, Ace. That there is hazard and accident waiting to happen on it's own, I'm sorry to know.

I don't think auto insurance is a bad idea to protect one's investment and the other forms of protection it offers if it remains affordable. The states promised when they made auto insurance mandatory it would be kept affordable. Its not. It has now evolved into price gouging and holding people hostage. When one is paying 300.00 for basic liability to keep a car on the road and not insured against loss, because they can't afford to, that's a racket. It's no longer based on driving record but the existence or non existence of one's credit record.




Deaths aren't caused by uninsured drivers, auto accident deaths by insured drivers are as prevalent . Insurance, especially no fault, simply indicates that the insurance company will take responsibility for any monetary liability incurred during an accident. It's a money making racket coming and going. Auto insurance doesn't prevent accidents.

And People who are under or not insured tend to be more careful because they don't want to draw the attention of the authorities. Here in Michigan there are no stringent guidelines to maintaining a policy on a car that hasn't a note on it. The bank enforces insurance on noted cars. If an un noted car is pulled over and found lacking in insurance a citation is issued, the driver toddles down to the insurance company pickes up a policy, presents it to the court and the citation is dismissed because they're all in bed with each other on a legislative level.. They don't give a rats bee-hind about your life they want the money, honey.

Suggesting I ride a bike ten miles to the feed store to throw a couple hundred pound sacks of feed on my bike and pedal back I'm going to say , you do it first if I don't mumble about clamping your head first...lol. . Not to mention bike riders are cited quite frequently and they have no means of insuring against personal and public damage. A horse and buggy would be a solvent solution in context (if some green day arsehole doesn't start riding me about my horses methane output) but I'd get so many citations there and back because the automobile insurance companies can't insure horses. And I'll pay out the horse's ass because they don't. They will get their money one way or the other because it is a racket and only a racket.

It's a racket and they will keep it a racket as long as people keep paying in to the racket.

It can be done...
7004

[Ross]

Twice Ive been smashed into by un-insured drivers, neither was my fault and proven so in court, the first smash, I was un-insured, as was the driver and car that caused the collision. I was a lil niave, and helped the poor woman, her daughter and grandaugher after the accident, no-one was injured, I helped them remove their car from the site, drove them in my second car to their house, they were extremely grateful and we made a "deal" she was to pay me directly for the damage within 2 weeks.

Never heard from her, so I phoned and she told me "sorry" have changed my mind and feel you were in the wrong...I was stunned, continued to try and negotiate until she turned into a nasty piece of work...I took her to court, because she was a bitch, if she had come at me with a more lighter approach I may of "let it go"...anyways won the court case, easy as...she was ordered to pay $10 per week because she was on the "unemployment pension" well...I never saw a cent for 2 yrs...during which I continued to chase her down, finally after 12 yrs I got the money...

Second smash, not my fault, I was insured, the driver was not, I got payed out within 10 days...it was a cut n dry case and the driver admitted fault at the crash site.

so...I have been of the view...if you own a car it should be compulsary to have "3rd party" insurance, that means you are insured for damage to another Vehical if you are the cause of the crash. Make it part of your rego or something but it needs to be done, My 1st case has been duplicated 1000's of times from ppls who are in the wrong and have NO insurance and you are left with the task of "oh well" never mind, or chasing their ass for often...years to come...

Ross

[Lord Sidious]

Twice Ive been smashed into by un-insured drivers, neither was my fault and proven so in court, the first smash, I was un-insured, as was the driver and car that caused the collision. I was a lil niave, and helped the poor woman, her daughter and grandaugher after the accident, no-one was injured, I helped them remove their car from the site, drove them in my second car to their house, they were extremely grateful and we made a "deal" she was to pay me directly for the damage within 2 weeks.

Never heard from her, so I phoned and she told me "sorry" have changed my mind and feel you were in the wrong...I was stunned, continued to try and negotiate until she turned into a nasty piece of work...I took her to court, because she was a bitch, if she had come at me with a more lighter approach I may of "let it go"...anyways won the court case, easy as...she was ordered to pay $10 per week because she was on the "unemployment pension" well...I never saw a cent for 2 yrs...during which I continued to chase her down, finally after 12 yrs I got the money...

Second smash, not my fault, I was insured, the driver was not, I got payed out within 10 days...it was a cut n dry case and the driver admitted fault at the crash site.

so...I have been of the view...if you own a car it should be compulsary to have "3rd party" insurance, that means you are insured for damage to another Vehical if you are the cause of the crash. Make it part of your rego or something but it needs to be done, My 1st case has been duplicated 1000's of times from ppls who are in the wrong and have NO insurance and you are left with the task of "oh well" never mind, or chasing their ass for often...years to come...

Ross

In Australia, if you are not the guilty party, you can sue the state for your damages, but not replacement of the car, the damage you yourself suffer.
They are always liable because of the registration and the fuel tax.
If you ever see a case of X v The Nominated Party, that is what the case is about.

[truth4me]

I know in the state of Arkansas U.S.A. The insurance companies report who has let their insurance expire to the state police via computer. They run your tags and it shows right then if you have insurance or not. A week ago in a town close to where I live a policeman was shot and killed by a driver he pulled over because his tags showed his insurance had expired......I do not endorse the N.W.O what so ever but car insurance is something we all need......:high5:

[9eagle9]

Examples of racketeering. (some cut and snips from a letter I sent to the state which I'm sure is a futile and lame gesture....)

Exhibit A: When I called Progressive to find out why my premium bounced up from 109.00 to 140.0 a month I was told the safety ratings of the Chevy Tracker had changed in 2011, I have on 01 Chevy Tracker. So they corrected their mistake only to gouge it out of me a month later for another reason and then call it a safety rating change again.

Ex B:. Progressive also has this little monitor that you plug in under your dash they so than can monitor your driving habits. It also interferes with the radio btw which is an FCC violation. You get a discount for using it but its also a means of adding on to your premium. You get a fifty dollar discount for using it. If they want it back they jack up your premium until you send it in. Then they send it back to you three times with instructions on how to install it all the while dunning you with letters inquiring where their monitor is before hiking up your premium to cover the cost of it. .

EX C. When I switched to the tracker that couldn't support the plug in.... They raised my rate. And then REITERATED the safety rating had changed which essentially means that if we can't monitor you, you will pay. THAT is what the safety rating really seems to be the ability to monitor my driving habits. When I had it in my previous vehicle that sat idle for a month they inquired to see if I had unplugged it because they weren't getting any feedback from it and wanted to send a new one.

Ex D: During a period of time i had no vehicle at all. When I called for insurance on a recently purchased vehicle they stated it would cost more because I had not been insured continuously for a year. Okay so what was I SUPPOSED to insure? ?

[Lord Sidious]

I know in the state of Arkansas U.S.A. The insurance companies report who has let their insurance expire to the state police via computer. They run your tags and it shows right then if you have insurance or not. A week ago in a town close to where I live a policeman was shot and killed by a driver he pulled over because his tags showed his insurance had expired......I do not endorse the N.W.O what so ever but car insurance is something we all need......:high5:

I disagree. I don't need it, I am a military trained driver.
Oh and you may find in most states, you can put up a bond instead of their scam.
Oops, insurance, yeah, thats what I meant.

[9eagle9]

We don't own vehicles here in the states no more than we own our houses. As noted on another thread I say those who own the vehicles pay the insurance premiums... the banks and the state. To reiterate FDR called in our gold bullion and gold certificates in the thirties and the government assumed our debt from that point on.

So let them assume it.

[Lord Sidious]

We don't own vehicles here in the states no more than we own our houses. As noted on another thread I say those who own the vehicles pay the insurance premiums... the banks and the state. To reiterate FDR called in our gold bullion and gold certificates in the thirties and the government assumed our debt from that point on.

So let them assume it.

So you know about HJR 192 then?

[9eagle9]

Or called the 'creation of perpetual debt."

Know about it? We LIVE IT!!! :ballchain:

Until you start finding ways around it. I'm waiting for that bill that comes in the mail that says I don't have enough debt.

[Second Son]

Auto insurance... what a racket! I recently re-insured a vehicle after it was parked for the winter. I was told that because I let the insurance "lapse" I would be facing much higher premiums. By the way "lapse" in this case means I called the insurance company and told them that the vehicle would not need insurance, because it was being parked until Spring. When I got back the price quote, I was dumb-struck. I talked to a friend shrtly after, who told me he was paying some unbelievably low rate of less than $200 per year for liablity, whereas they want $517 from me. I said something like "WOW. You must not have any claims on record!" His responce? "NO... I have s---loads!" BUT his credit is great, and mine is not, because I told the money changers long ago to piss off.

By the way... I have ONE claim in almost 30 years of driving. No one hurt... just a fender-bender. So I have paid in around 25K and got back about $1,200. No wonder these scum-bags are filthy rich.

[Lion Monkey]

I am not in any way endorsing this, but I have heard that if you are in the UK, you can put some old EU plates on your car while it is resting on the driveway and say it has been re-registered. EU plates don't show up on UK cops systems, so they dont have any info on you, cant check and generally wont bother.

[Lord Sidious]

Or called the 'creation of perpetual debt."

Know about it? We LIVE IT!!! :ballchain:

Until you start finding ways around it. I'm waiting for that bill that comes in the mail that says I don't have enough debt.

Why not learn to use it to your advantage?
Read your last post that I responded to, your remedy is in that post.


I am not in any way endorsing this, but I have heard that if you are in the UK, you can put some old EU plates on your car while it is resting on the driveway and say it has been re-registered. EU plates don't show up on UK cops systems, so they dont have any info on you, cant check and generally wont bother.

Lying is always a bad idea, it will get you somewhere down the track.

[9eagle9]

About putting up bonds you mean?

[Lord Sidious]

About putting up bonds you mean?

No, to ALL of it.
Reread what you posted.

[astrid]

Related to this thread, a friend of mine in Melbourne said that in a car park of
a shopping centre, the police went through and did checks on all the cars.

Not for insurance, but for unpaid fine, and outstanding warrants, etc.

She said that many, many cars tyres were clamped.

Seems they have a new way of revenue raising.
Is this even legal??

I mean shopping center car parks are actually private property.

[9eagle9]

HJR 192 then-- bottom line not only do I not own anything, I'm not responsible for percieved debt and I'm actually owed redemption and .......(quick blond moment).....uhm........EXEMPTION!

I hope thats what you meant since I don't like to waste my blond moments.



About putting up bonds you mean?

No, to ALL of it.
Reread what you posted.

[Lord Sidious]

Related to this thread, a friend of mine in Melbourne said that in a car park of
a shopping centre, the police went through and did checks on all the cars.

Not for insurance, but for unpaid fine, and outstanding warrants, etc.

She said that many, many cars tyres were clamped.

Seems they have a new way of revenue raising.
Is this even legal??

I mean shopping center car parks are actually private property.

Some of Western Australia's finest pulled something similar.
They turned in their quota for the month or week, I don't recall, of random breath tests.
An officer more senior thought it was strange, they had done more than was possible.
It turned out they went to a shopping centre in Joondalup and simply took down the plate numbers and entered them onto their log sheet.

In answer to your question, I don't think it is legal, but then again, everything is legal, till you get caught.

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HJR 192 then-- bottom line not only do I not own anything, I'm not responsible for percieved debt and I'm actually owed redemption and .......(quick blond moment).....uhm........EXEMPTION!

I hope thats what you meant since I don't like to waste my blond moments.



About putting up bonds you mean?

No, to ALL of it.
Reread what you posted.

I like it when a plan comes together.
I don't like giving people fish, especially when I know they can get them for themselves.
Good work, so now you know.

[butcherman]

no not at all this all started with a messy divorce about 10 years ago and i admit its got a little out of hand but fun, the trick is living without the paper work in my name, for this u need trust in others, oh and of course the incentive,180k tax bill was my incentive .

regards
Butcherman

[butcherman]

i have an inverter in my van ( 240 volt power supply ) with a small angle grinder ive never had a problem with clamps, infact its quite nice to be given the opportunity to remove one now and again , got sold on in a pub for £30.00 later, nice people me thinks.

[king anthony]

I recall the day when insurance companies “bent over backwards” to have a new client; now!?

Solution – don’t allow things to continue as they have been – “just say no”.

[seko]

I have to say, that I am very happy to live in Mexico.........you don't have to have car insurance to be able to drive it. In here if you get a parking ticket, you have to pay it A.S.A.P, they will give a 25% discount if you pay it the same day and no records are kept.
You have your advantages in places like this. people are less strict and not so squared. Many people from the U.S. Canada and Europe like this about Mexico.
and of course we have our disadvantages in some other issues, but life is good here, sun, sea, fresh air(I live on the sea side area).

[9eagle9]

Get ordained as a Minister ,live in uber conservative area, and see how many violations you get away with.

Speeding, lapse in tags, plates and insurance. Things like that. Hell who knows I might even be able to get away with drunkenly running down people. Cops will tread carefully and not hand out citations for little things rather than risk getting into some local public relations nightmare over a five over speeding ticket.

Mind you no one gets ordained to flaunt traffic laws (but you could!) it just sort of comes with the territory based on the clergy still being a sacred cow in this one nation under god.

It's like giving God a ticket.