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ktlight
24th April 2011, 11:25
"...I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." —Revelation 2:9
The pentagon is an infinite occult symbol — it is the center of a pentagram and a pentagram fits perfectly inside a pentagon.
Obelisks are phallic (penis) symbols related to the Egyptian Sun god, Ra. The 4 sides of the Washington Monument are aligned with the cardinal directions (i.e., east, west, north, and south). At the ground level each side of the monument measures 55.5 feet long, which is equal to 666 inches. The height of the obelisk is 555.5 feet, which is equal to 6,666 inches.
The mall in Washington DC is laid out so the gardens and streets form the image of an owl. The owl is representative of the mythical goddess, Lilith. Pleas read, Bohemian Grove Exposed for much more information on the owl.
The street design in Washington, D.C., has been laid out in such a manner that certain Luciferic symbols are depicted by the streets, cul-de-sacs and rotaries. This design was created in 1791, a few years after Freemasonry assumed the leadership of the New World Order, in 1782.
In Europe, occult leaders were told by their familiar spirits as early as the 1740's that the new American continent was to be established as the new “Atlantis,” and its destiny was to assume the global leadership of the drive to the New World Order. The United States of America was chosen to lead the world into this kingdom of Antichrist from the very beginning. The capital is Washington, D.C., which is evidenced by the preponderance of occult symbols.
George Washington (a 33° Freemason) selected French Freemason Pierre Charles L’Enfant to design the city’s layout in Washington D.C.
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Lord Sidious
24th April 2011, 12:00
If satan merely means ''the adversary'' and he is the opponent of jehovah, the jewish god of war, then who is satan really?
ktlight
24th April 2011, 13:26
If satan merely means ''the adversary'' and he is the opponent of jehovah, the jewish god of war, then who is satan really?
I think way, way back Satan was the ruler of the mind.
HURRITT ENYETO
24th April 2011, 13:44
Thanks op, As Lord Sidious implied, if Christianity says Satan/Lucifer is the enemy,do you believe them?
Have they been honest throughout history or is the truth many times the polar opposite of what they teach?
Lucifer means 'light bringer' doesn't sound very dark does it?
I don't profess to know but i do know that the wool is being pulled over our eyes!
Cheers
Hurritt
Lord Sidious
24th April 2011, 13:45
If satan merely means ''the adversary'' and he is the opponent of jehovah, the jewish god of war, then who is satan really?
I think way, way back Satan was the ruler of the mind.
Interesting, tell me more.
DeDukshyn
24th April 2011, 14:02
In my opinion "Satan" is just a force personified, and an important one, as his forces of seperation bring the "contrast" that this entire universe is built upon. He is only an issue when beings allow that force of seperation to influence the mind. Humanity not only allows it, we have it encoded into all our cultures making it difficult to escape the influence. "Evil" is a label we give to people who act out in extremes as a result of this influence of the mind. But, it is OUR responsibility to use these forces properly, not his, lol.
yaksuit
24th April 2011, 15:15
If satan merely means ''the adversary'' and he is the opponent of jehovah, the jewish god of war, then who is satan really?
I think way, way back Satan was the ruler of the mind.
If your statement has "truth" I would also suggest "Light is a lie".
shybastid
24th April 2011, 15:26
I've read quite a lot about the pentagram and satanic signs in Washington.
Will someone PLEASE tell me why I have to wait until I'm DEAD to find out how much good or evil is running the world?
And Then? I can't tell anyone because I'm DEAD?
Just doesn't seem fair.
I think this frustration has been going on in the world for a while.
I don't think I'm the only one a little ticked off about the whole thing.
:confused:
161803398
24th April 2011, 19:55
Here is a video on the Norway Pentagram.
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The above is a short ad. The full movie is here:
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Dennis Jonathan
24th April 2011, 21:24
I've heard speculation that Satan and Lucifer were two different entities.
The knowledge is either long destroyed, forgotten, or buried so deep we'll never find it.
It resonates with me, but it's just speculation.
I am encouraged by knowing that the history of the universe is within each of us. And one day soon, we will be able to access it and know the truth.
RedeZra
24th April 2011, 21:29
if Christianity says Satan/Lucifer is the enemy,do you believe them?
this is not a matter of belief but investigation
one has to figure it out on one's own
there is no holding hands here
either you get it or you don't
Seikou-Kishi
24th April 2011, 21:38
Thanks op, As Lord Sidious implied, if Christianity says Satan/Lucifer is the enemy,do you believe them?
Have they been honest throughout history or is the truth many times the polar opposite of what they teach?
Lucifer means 'light bringer' doesn't sound very dark does it?
I don't profess to know but i do know that the wool is being pulled over our eyes!
Cheers
Hurritt
Lucifer literally means "the bearer of light"; you're right. I'm reminded that the Dark Ages were the days in which the Church ruled...
RedeZra
24th April 2011, 22:42
Lucifer literally means "the bearer of light"; you're right. I'm reminded that the Dark Ages were the days in which the Church ruled...
and after the Dark Ages came the Age of Enlightenment
with it's bright light still shining today
he lit up the world alright
---
one must be blind not to see the true colors of the controllers unless oneself is a deceiver
ktlight
25th April 2011, 06:40
If satan merely means ''the adversary'' and he is the opponent of jehovah, the jewish god of war, then who is satan really?
I think way, way back Satan was the ruler of the mind.
Interesting, tell me more.
I ran a search and found this from the Ephesians 2:1-3
"the spirit": (pneuma), "breath, spirit, being"; also refers to "state of mind".
We use the word spirit for state of mind: "He was mean-spirited. She had a kind spirit."
In this context, spirit speaks of the state of mind that originates with Satan and is characteristic of those who are disobedient to the will of God.
This state of mind has been fostered by the "prince of the power of the air", Satan, whose kosmos (worldly) doctrines lead people into disobedience.
I cannot remember exactly where I originally got the idea. It could have come from Madam Blavatsky, maybe 'Secret Doctrines'. Around that time, I was reading the oriental religions. Or it could have been from Alice Bailey, although I do not think so.
There is this, although 'deceive' does not mean 'rule'
We return to our question. Who is the prince of this world? He is the devil whose very nature is to murder and to lie, in other words to destroy and to deceive. Consequently we may define the world for which Christ did not pray as a world dominated by the devil as destroyer of human life and as deceiver of the human mind.
With this as our foundation, we are ready to examine more closely how Satan, as prince of this world, is both a murderer and a liar. These two traits of the evil spirit are related as cause and effect. The devil lies in order to kill. He deceives the human mind in order to pervert the human will.
the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through (2 Corinthians 4).
Satan’s goal for the saved is to keep them in a defeated, ineffective mindset. When the saved are defeated and distracted, they cannot advance the Kingdom of God. Satan has the victory he needs. He is then free to concentrate on his war at hand, against the Creator God, preventing the lost from being saved.
The mind is the territory he seeks; control of the physical just follows the control of the mind. If we look at 2 Corinthians 4:4, what part does Satan blind? Its not the physical eyes, he is after the mind. The Greek word for mind is novhma Noema, translates mental thought or perception, that which thinks. Here is where Satan fights for control. All for the purpose of blinding the person from the Gospel.
All of the above quotes imply that ruling the mind is Satan's intention, although I feel I got it from theosophy.
I'll search some more and come back to you. I really want to find the origin of the quote.
loveandgratitude
25th April 2011, 06:53
If you want to hide something (truth) where no one will look for it, you would hide it someplace where people feared to look. Somewhere where people were afraid to go. But for those that have to courage to go there, to go to a place that they fear, they conquer fear and gain strength, courage and knowledge. This makes sense for a religion to hide the truth in that place of fear, keeping the truth for themselves. In Tibetian religion, that tell 95% about demons etc, and the elect initiates they reveal the demons are made up to scare off the uninititated, the unworthy.
Tahi
25th April 2011, 07:29
Over the years reading, a theme always came up espcially when the Illumanati/ Higher degrees in Freemasonary and Satanic ritual were discussed. I thought that true meaning of the symbols they display are actually mirror oppisite to what is explained to the un- ininitiated (freemason lower deg and gen public), eg The white dove represents peace. but to the illuminated it means war.
Could this be the same with Satan/ Lucifer/ The Fallen, it was the church who warned/ campaigned against him. From an authority that practiced what they preached against. Amd it would have been only the top of that hierarchy that were fully aware. They also love hiding information right in front of our eyes, think of how powerful that would make you feel.
RedeZra
25th April 2011, 08:25
In Tibetian religion, that tell 95% about demons etc, and the elect initiates they reveal the demons are made up to scare off the uninititated, the unworthy.
this is not true
discarnates or demons are as real as you and me
the PTB is in league with Lucifer and his legions
Lucifer is a copycat of Christ
therefore he will fool you if you're not alert and aware
Tahi
25th April 2011, 08:58
In Tibetian religion, that tell 95% about demons etc, and the elect initiates they reveal the demons are made up to scare off the uninititated, the unworthy.
this is not true
discarnates or demons are as real as you and me
the PTB is in league with Lucifer and his legions
Lucifer is a copycat of Christ
therefore he will fool you if you're not alert and aware
Is Demon the right word to descibe these beings? arent they the same as Multi Dimensional beings, in all thier different forms? I'm asking this question because to me its a Generalisation the word DEMON. And would be used to scare the uninntiated away, used in a dismissive way...
RedeZra
25th April 2011, 09:05
In Tibetian religion, that tell 95% about demons etc, and the elect initiates they reveal the demons are made up to scare off the uninititated, the unworthy.
this is not true
discarnates or demons are as real as you and me
the PTB is in league with Lucifer and his legions
Lucifer is a copycat of Christ
therefore he will fool you if you're not alert and aware
Is Demon the right word to descibe these beings? arent they the same as Multi Dimensional beings, in all thier different forms? I'm asking this question because to me its a Generalisation the word DEMON. And would be used to scare the uninntiated away, used in a dismissive way...
right a discarnate being is not necessarily a demon
they come in the full spectrum much like ourselves
loveandgratitude
25th April 2011, 09:23
My personal belief is that Demons are spiritual concepts. They have no physical being and no material existence that could be measured or observed. Science cannot study demons. Demons cannot take on physical form and appear like the demon in Disney's Night On Bald Mountain or the Balrog in The Lord of the Rings, and they cannot harm people like in the movie The Exorcist. No one needs to be afraid of becoming demon possessed by touching an image or hearing certain music or saying bad words. So, no, in that sense, demons are not real.
But demons are spiritual concepts. In order to think about the bad things that happen, like dreadful sickness or ghastly crime, humans need some way to conceptualize abstract ideas that are very difficult. By imagining some sort of evil being, who causes terrible things to happen, a person can think and talk about that evil. Also, when a person does something they are ashamed of, they can blame that act on something or someone outside themselves ... or on something inside themselves that isn't really them. Sometimes the ability to think about something in this way enables the person to give up bad habits or addictions, to stop hurting others or themselves, and that is very good. So, yes, in this sense, demons are very real.
According to the Bible Demons are real. In Christianity demons are generally believed as fallen angels, formerly of God.
Demons are just as real as people's fears, angers and hatreds. When I was a child, I was terrified that there was a demon in our dark basement. My fear was very real, and that demon was real to me. At some point, as I grew older and understood more about the presence of God in my life, I realized that the demon was not waiting downstairs in the dark. That demon inhabited the fear inside me. With God's grace, I rid myself of the fear and the demon troubled me no more.
Demons have no power other than the power we give them. Exorcisms are effective because they enable the distressed person to let go of the demon - the fear, hatred, anger or other sin that FEELS like bondage. Once the person lets go, the "demon" has no more power, and the person is free.
RedeZra
25th April 2011, 10:44
My personal belief is that Demons are spiritual concepts. They have no physical being and no material existence that could be measured or observed. Science cannot study demons.
they have no physical being still they are astral beings
and so are we
within our physical being
Nairnia
25th April 2011, 14:10
Demons cannot take on physical form and appear like the demon in Disney's Night On Bald Mountain or the Balrog in The Lord of the Rings, and they cannot harm people like in the movie The Exorcist. No one needs to be afraid of becoming demon possessed by touching an image or hearing certain music or saying bad words. So, no, in that sense, demons are not real..
Good post :)
But in my experience, yes they can have physical form and yes, they can do great harm to people and yes, possesion is VERY real! :)
Solphilos
25th April 2011, 14:16
The soul is purified and redeemed through opposition. Illumination can only come through adversity. In this can be seen Satan in it's dual aspect, Lucifer, the light-bearer.
Satan, the adversary; not of the Creator, but of man.
bearcow
25th April 2011, 14:20
Demons cannot take on physical form and appear like the demon in Disney's Night On Bald Mountain or the Balrog in The Lord of the Rings, and they cannot harm people like in the movie The Exorcist. No one needs to be afraid of becoming demon possessed by touching an image or hearing certain music or saying bad words. So, no, in that sense, demons are not real..
Sorry but this is not correct
DeDukshyn
25th April 2011, 15:10
I've heard speculation that Satan and Lucifer were two different entities.
The knowledge is either long destroyed, forgotten, or buried so deep we'll never find it.
It resonates with me, but it's just speculation.
I am encouraged by knowing that the history of the universe is within each of us. And one day soon, we will be able to access it and know the truth.
From what I have been taught Satan is a force (the force of seperation) and Lucifer is indeed an entity. The forces of Satan pulled Lucifer from Source (this was allowed not forced) and His disconnect from Source caused his Ego to be Created - And that Ego we now religiously call "Satan" or "Lucifer". There's a alot of sementics involved though when trying to describe these things - it's more of a concept than story.
Dennis Jonathan
25th April 2011, 16:19
My personal belief is that Demons are spiritual concepts. They have no physical being and no material existence that could be measured or observed. Science cannot study demons. Demons cannot take on physical form and appear like the demon in Disney's Night On Bald Mountain or the Balrog in The Lord of the Rings, and they cannot harm people like in the movie The Exorcist. No one needs to be afraid of becoming demon possessed by touching an image or hearing certain music or saying bad words. So, no, in that sense, demons are not real.
But demons are spiritual concepts. In order to think about the bad things that happen, like dreadful sickness or ghastly crime, humans need some way to conceptualize abstract ideas that are very difficult. By imagining some sort of evil being, who causes terrible things to happen, a person can think and talk about that evil. Also, when a person does something they are ashamed of, they can blame that act on something or someone outside themselves ... or on something inside themselves that isn't really them. Sometimes the ability to think about something in this way enables the person to give up bad habits or addictions, to stop hurting others or themselves, and that is very good. So, yes, in this sense, demons are very real.
According to the Bible Demons are real. In Christianity demons are generally believed as fallen angels, formerly of God.
Demons are just as real as people's fears, angers and hatreds. When I was a child, I was terrified that there was a demon in our dark basement. My fear was very real, and that demon was real to me. At some point, as I grew older and understood more about the presence of God in my life, I realized that the demon was not waiting downstairs in the dark. That demon inhabited the fear inside me. With God's grace, I rid myself of the fear and the demon troubled me no more.
Demons have no power other than the power we give them. Exorcisms are effective because they enable the distressed person to let go of the demon - the fear, hatred, anger or other sin that FEELS like bondage. Once the person lets go, the "demon" has no more power, and the person is free.
This is an interesting point.
First, it is my understanding (through experience) that one creates their own power over situations like these. For example, the whole Constantine theory of "Now that you've seen them, they see you." Likewise, if you deny them, they will cease to exist (to you).
It is very similar to a person being hypnotized, and receiving the suggestion that they cannot see another person. There have been cases of this, where the person who is unable to be seen will hold something behind their back, and the person who cannot see them can see the object they are holding. Your mind can be trained to perceive a reality if its, or someones, choosing.
Regarding the concepts of Satan, Lucifer, and the occult worship in systems of government:
It has always seemed to me that Satan was the group mentality of those who resist the good, for the convenient. See - The Pharisee's who crucified Christ, The powers that worked to discredit Tesla, The Nazi influence, and those who supported them, The Israel/Palestine conflict, The Black government in the US, The Illuminati, Etc. Satan means "the enemy", and in each of those, there is clearly an enemy to what is "right". and what is "wrong", in the sense of the experience. From a larger perspective, there is no enemy, since abuser and abused have agreed prior to incarnating to share this experience.
The best description I have heard about Lucifer was from a Rosicrucian school of thought.
They believe that our world is inhabited by an equal or greater amount of spiritual entities, in relation to the billions of us there are here. This unseen plane, call it what you will, exists simultaneously with ours. If you could see both at the same time, it would be like walking through Grand Central Station in New York, just a sea of people weaving through each other, about their own tasks, almost oblivious to one another.
The Rosicrucians believe that spiritual entities exist on a spectrum from extreme light, to extreme dark. You could also call this very very high vibrational - vs - very very low vibrational. The highest of the high vibrational, they call Luciferian, and the lowest are demonic. Rosicrucians believe that both extreme ends of the spectrum are out of balance.
When influenced by the Luciferian entities, one tends to forget about reality (showering, going to work, caring for loved ones) and focuses on the spiritual. This is dangerous because the Luciferian entities are so unimpressed with the physical plane. They cannot understand it, so they detest it, and seek to draw us into the light of spirituality, often to our own detriment.
When influenced by the darker entities, we are driven from all things spiritual, and are focused on the base, carnal lusts of this world. These entities are more malicious, and they hate our very existence.
The goal is to be centered. Touch the divine, respect the physical.
Some of their teachings resonate with me, but much of it is tainted. I would caution anyone who looks into this to go in with eyes wide open. There has been much alteration to the original teachings, and much of it has been subtly morphed into outright demon worship.
I offer the above to give a less commonly known opinion of Lucifer.
As far as the occult, and its place in government, these darker aspects are prevalent. Much of the blood sacrifice, symbolism, numerology, and occult references are not coincidence. The rituals are indeed "hiding in plain sight", and the world is at times and unwitting participant.
RedeZra
25th April 2011, 18:20
The soul is purified and redeemed through opposition. Illumination can only come through adversity. In this can be seen Satan in it's dual aspect, Lucifer, the light-bearer.
Satan, the adversary; not of the Creator, but of man.
sure in the face of adversary and opposition there is a tremendous oppurtunity for quick spiritual growth
Ba-ba-Ra
25th April 2011, 19:00
So, let's say the intent of these symbols in D.C. were for evil (which I suspect they might have been). But doesn't our awareness of this release their power? It does for me. Once I was aware that Lucifer meant "Bringer of the Light" - pooff - all evil thoughts connected with it flew on the wind. Once I realized that the Swastika was a positive ancient symbol -pooff.
I believe the more of us that realize everything is neutral, we energize them by our thoughts, we can begin to change the Collective Human Energy Field around these symbols - and one big pooff.
But I also suspect that first must be the recognition of the negative that has been holding them in the concrete of negative. So thank you ktlight for bringing this to our attention.
DeDukshyn
25th April 2011, 20:37
Some of their teachings resonate with me, but much of it is tainted. I would caution anyone who looks into this to go in with eyes wide open. There has been much alteration to the original teachings, and much of it has been subtly morphed into outright demon worship...
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"Satanism" even, is the oldest religion known to man and at it's source is not necessarily "Evil", but just like all religions of influence, there have been many many changes over the years that made any divinity to find extremely difficult and disinfo very rampant. As always, finding your specific truth from within, will always be more valuable than any theology. The one positive thing I can say about "Satanism" (OMG I hear the lynch mob coming already) is a closer accuracy to describing what "Satan" is as opposed to traditional western religious teachings. I asked my Sikh Brother once if they had a "Satan" in their religion, he just responded "Sort of, but it is much different than the western view."
Dennis Jonathan
25th April 2011, 22:16
Satanists cannot do good (meaning raising vibrational levels), unless they change their ways (meaning stop being satanists).
It's like trying to light a room with wick-less candle. No matter how many you have, and what your intentions, you still lack the means.
Acknowledging the control device does remove a margin of the power it has, bit be careful of the web of lies.
Sometimes we are fooled into trading the old lie for a new one.
DeDukshyn
25th April 2011, 22:30
Satanists cannot do good (meaning raising vibrational levels), unless they change their ways (meaning stop being satanists).
It's like trying to light a room with wick-less candle. No matter how many you have, and what your intentions, you still lack the means.
Acknowledging the control device does remove a margin of the power it has, bit be careful of the web of lies.
Sometimes we are fooled into trading the old lie for a new one.
And that is exactly why we need to toss all our belief systems right out the window -- all of them; religions included. The Christ can only come from within. ;-) And by Christ - I don't mean that in a religious sense. ;-) Christ is Lucifer minus His Ego (oh-oh another lynch mob is coming!) I opened a nasty can of worms, didn't I??? Actually this topic if wish to be discussed should have it's own thread I think .....
Lord Sidious
26th April 2011, 00:35
Satanists cannot do good (meaning raising vibrational levels), unless they change their ways (meaning stop being satanists).
It's like trying to light a room with wick-less candle. No matter how many you have, and what your intentions, you still lack the means.
Acknowledging the control device does remove a margin of the power it has, bit be careful of the web of lies.
Sometimes we are fooled into trading the old lie for a new one.
That doesn't ring true to me.
That is like saying christians can't do bad and I know that isn't the case.
The ends justify the means to all types, regardless of what doctrine is driving them.
Dennis Jonathan
26th April 2011, 00:46
Satanists cannot do good (meaning raising vibrational levels), unless they change their ways (meaning stop being satanists).
It's like trying to light a room with wick-less candle. No matter how many you have, and what your intentions, you still lack the means.
Acknowledging the control device does remove a margin of the power it has, bit be careful of the web of lies.
Sometimes we are fooled into trading the old lie for a new one.
That doesn't ring true to me.
That is like saying christians can't do bad and I know that isn't the case.
The ends justify the means to all types, regardless of what doctrine is driving them.
That is not at all what it's like :P
Christian and Satanist are not opposites. They are two groups that gather and practice different rituals.
A satanist relies on summoning the assistance of low vibrating entities for whatever end they desire.
You cannot use a low vibrational energy to increase vibration.
It is obvious that Christians can do evil acts. In that regard, Satanists can do good acts, but the point is the end result. There are countless examples of the wolf in sheep's clothing scenario. Hell, the anti-christ is prophesied to start with a peace campaign.
RedeZra
26th April 2011, 02:59
Christ is Lucifer minus His Ego (oh-oh another lynch mob is coming!)
it is an interesting idea ; )
is it true ?
DeDukshyn
26th April 2011, 03:45
Christ is Lucifer minus His Ego (oh-oh another lynch mob is coming!)
it is an interesting idea ; )
is it true ?
It's all conceptual and to use words like "Lucifer" and "Satan" and "Christ" is "dangerous"-(as in the lynch mob is coming) without first properly defining the terms. I'll try ... Mods this may be off topic, do what you will to the post just let me know.
Satan is the Force of seperation, like "cold" draws frost crystals from the ethers on a humid winter day, so too does "Satan" draw "Form" from the ethers of the Source to create the individual beings that make up the heavens. There exists many "levels" that are vibrational levels like "octaves" in music theory - where each octave contains all the same "notes" but at different "frequencies". Each of these "octaves" represents a level of consciousness based on frequency. In our level of form, there is still the formless but it is contained withing our "octave" so to speak. Above our current "octave", exists the "mythical" Heaven - as Satan's influence of seperation are not so strong there to grossly and adversely affect the minds of the inhabitants.
In our level it is different - the vibrations are slow and matter heavy. Lucifer (There's not really a timeline here but let's imagine Lucifer now as the highest of the angels as he was - He was the second to God, the ripple of the First Cause, God's finest being. He was given a task and complied. He dove into this plane, allowing the forces of Satan to tear his consciousness apart and lock it into form - like "Cold" draws crystals of frost from the ethers, from the ethers form was drawn from his consciousness to create the elements. The beings that resided in his consciousness could no longer refresh themselves in Source and began to gain more and more physical form as they slowly began to identify more and more with this form and less and less with Source from where they came. Eventually the solid "Human" forms completely forgot Source and only knew form. The lived daily by form, eat form, and died the form they percieved themselves as. (orig translation "To dust YOU have perceived yourselves, so to dust you shall return")
The effect of seperation is the creation of an Ego. It all starts with the question "What am I?". A being who is connected to Source does not ask that, like a fish doesn't ask what water is. When that question is asked of oneself - an answer will be fufilled because we are creative beings - we can focus and create - incredible qualities really, but the answer will always be a lie - because what you are is Source - not a "Man" or "Woman" or "Human" or "Alien" or "Plant" or "Spirit". Any answer that any being has given to himself, that is not specifically "Source" (or God or whatever word you have for the concept), is only a varying degree of a lie at best, and even with best of intentions. This is the lie you believe everyday that perpetuates the "Fall" - Each morning, me, you , everyone wakes up and recreates the "Fall of Man" with that belief system. You literally have to "re-believe" it everyday - The "Fall" is OVER -- It's just no one has told us that yet ;-)
The first and main split "Lucifer" was subject to was the masculine / feminine split (potentially that could result in a more "reptilian" / "mamalian" split upon physical beings as well, but that's another topic) The feminine side is what we now call the "Christ Consciousness" - which resides in Source. Lucifers' "Ego" became the entity we now call either "Satan" or "Lucifer"
Since we humans originate from this being - from the "First Cause" - that split also exists in our consciousness - hence our natural stance to classify everything as "good" or "evil", right and left, black and white, as opposed to seeing things "Holy" (Wholly - as One)
The great news is that because this state is linked to our consciousness, we literally have the power to rectify this situation by bringing the Christ consciousness back into reunion with "Lucifer" through fusing the Christ's spirit with Lucifer's matter and consciousness (AKA our individual consciousness's and our physical forms) through the process of Ascension. When enough humans can ascend and we can reach the "critical mass" we will achieve this - this is our project, to fuse spirit with matter on a mass scale and have the Christ Consciousness live through our individuality for the purpose of responsible creation in the realms of form, rather than for destruction as we have been doing.
We are literally sooo close to accomplishing this - it's hard to see, I know, but the PTB want you to think that. They want to prevent this at all costs because it will destroy their "Kingdom" of subcreation that you and I and everyone else create for them on a daily basis, and cause them to lose all control of humanity.
==Update==
Keep in mind this description is conceptual and symbolic - not to be taken literally - in fact there can't be a literal translation for it as human languages cannot do the description justice - in my head it is a system of holography - hard to put into words.
RedeZra
26th April 2011, 06:56
Keep in mind this description is conceptual and symbolic - not to be taken literally - in fact there can't be a literal translation for it as human languages cannot do the description justice - in my head it is a system of holography - hard to put into words.
interesting
so 'Satan' is a Force which draws forms out of formless 'God' or Source
and 'Lucifer' as the first form complied with Source
to fall into a gender bender dissociative identity disorder
becoming both feminine 'Christ' consciousness residing in 'God'
and masculine 'Ego' consciousness forming and fathering
all the beings of matter and mind
I guess we can scrap the Bible then ; )
DeDukshyn
26th April 2011, 15:48
Well, to me "Good" and "Evil" are constructs of the fallen mind. "Cause" and "effect" are constructs of "all existence". Thus the metaphor of "cause and effect" of something that has to be described in the context of "all existence." It can't be described accurately in a "good" / "Evil" way that is actually logical and makes sense.
The Bible is all about Good and Evil - the constructs of the fallen mind, therfore it can only at best give you limited interpretation. But that said, everyone is at a level they can relate to. If you understand the "spiritual" definition of ego, it works a bit better than the psychiatric definition. There is a thread here, I'll see if I can find it ...
Greybeard started this awesome thread on the subject: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.&p=7764&viewfull=1#post7764
Even Greybeard's first post brings a lot to consider ... =)
RedeZra
26th April 2011, 19:15
Well, to me "Good" and "Evil" are constructs of the fallen mind. "Cause" and "effect" are constructs of "all existence".
it is interesting to notice that man is mind or mind fallen from spirit
since it is mind then man can achive anything he sets his mind to
this is what must be ment by 'in His image'
we are pretty powerful human beings since we can manifest what we think
think of the endless possibilities
whatever you want just a thought away ; )
DeDukshyn
27th April 2011, 05:51
Well, to me "Good" and "Evil" are constructs of the fallen mind. "Cause" and "effect" are constructs of "all existence".
it is interesting to notice that man is mind or mind fallen from spirit
since it is mind then man can achive anything he sets his mind to
this is what must be ment by 'in His image'
we are pretty powerful human beings since we can manifest what we think
think of the endless possibilities
whatever you want just a thought away ; )
You already know all this stuff ;)
Decibellistics
27th April 2011, 07:11
I dunno. Every single religion has been bastardized. Very much like every form of government. All of these concepts and constructs regarding the division and the fall is merely an allegorical explanation of our own fall from the source. There are river gods and plant gods and daemon spawn and angels but all of these things are a distraction to a certain extent. They can all help or hinder on a path of realization. They are allies to what your path is. Though I think it is a matter of reintegration.
I mean, the universe is a vibrating fractal structure of brilliant colored particles. The unification of this beautiful thing we call reality is certainly done by the hands of god. Though the force that attempts to distract us from the reintegration of unification really seems quite apparent. It truly is the ego. It is like a sticky frogs tongue that traps our spirit and won't let go. That will ultimately keep us from completing the path of spirit or of knowledge or what have you.
What causes the unification to become chaotic is the introduction of malicious thought....and in most cases on the physical level....action.
So really in essence.....none of it ****ing matters. Because it is an individual thing. And the more individual people you can get to realize the awakening of reunification and what it really means be a part of something a little bigger than themselves.
If there really is a Thought Form that we can call one, That is the underlying ground work to keeping the vibration of this beautiful cosmos and universe we have, and there are people melting away the very framework, then I would say remember what it was like before you were here. Because the people that create all of the dissonance we see absolutely affects every single one of our lives. The trick is to realize that they are trying to get us to melt our connection and get us sidetracked on petty ****. And through our sidetracked nature of petty ****, we get angry, or fearful, or obsessed, or depressed, and so on goes......
They're just showing who they're allies are. It all comes round.
I dunno....I'm pretty crazy.
RedeZra
27th April 2011, 09:15
You already know all this stuff ;)
I've read the Bible and the Bhagavad Gita besides I know Baba ; )
Lord Sidious
27th April 2011, 09:54
You already know all this stuff ;)
I've read the Bible and the Bhagavad Gita besides I know Baba ; )
You know that Baba is arabic slang for father?
Unless that is what you meant?
Seikou-Kishi
3rd May 2011, 03:57
I've heard that in modern Satanic thinking, Lucifer represents the spirit of liberation, especially of enlightenment, while Satan represents the carnality which shouldn't be denied, and that in this way the duality of Lucifer and Satan steer Satanists in such a way that they maintain, or seek to maintain, a balance between the bodily and spiritual.
However, Satan as he originally appears (it's well known that the term means 'adversary') wasn't an evil figure; it was the church of the middle ages which made him so. Originally, in the Tanakh, Satan was more akin to God's "Crown Prosecution Service" than Crime Lord. We find in the book of Job he is very much a figure intended to bring about God's will. We could call him the 'left hand of God', or we could just call him a plot device — I believe both terms are equally justifiable.
The idea that Satan represents carnality or, in more broad terms, physicality, came about as part of the LaVeyan "theological redistribution" and is a new idea, an amelioration of middle-age depictions of Satan as being a primarily sexual entity, which was used as an insult.
As the bringer of light and messenger of the enlightenment, Lucifer has his origins in the Latin-speaking world where he refers to Venus seen before dawn, as the herald of the sun and therefore the 'bringer of light'. Any assignation of devilry came much later.
Neither Satan as the adversary, nor Lucifer as the bringer of light can be said to be evil. Neither can Satan as primal urge be said to be evil anymore than Pan/Faunus can be said to be evil. It may see a petty point to make, but Satanism is not the evil religion it's made out to be (though somewhat misguided, perhaps, in choosing the emotionally-loaded terms it does). Moreover, it cannot be said that any of the above figures could be the ideal pursued by whatever ill-willed people hold the marionette strings.
Did such people design Washington? I can't say that I know. Were they satan/lucifer worshippers? I can say with full confidence that I do not believe they worship either deity as can be found in history. If the carnality of Satan-as-primal-urge would seem to suggest that these people are entirely materialistic and would do whatever it could to cling on to material things, revelling in orgies and what not, I would suggest that primal urges do not plan. They do not plot and play the long game. If any were to play the long game, it would be Lucifer, yet his concern would not be with control, and would find it repugnant. Satan-as-primal-urge is all about enjoyment and the sheer ecstasy of the moment.
Is it all that important that we delineate between 'these people' and Satanism? I certainly think so; Satanism accepts no authority. Satanism is, in religious terms, what a true grass-roots movement is in political terms; it grows up from beneath and comes from the individual, it is not imposed from on high like the religions of the establishment. Moreover, it denies the false dichotomy of good-vs-evil, which is essentially an us-vs-them attitude which has been used for centuries to control people. What we do shall be good, and what others do shall be evil. Satanism rejects that idea.
Since I do not believe the Satanism of this question exists, and consequently I do not believe that the Satanists of this question exist, I cannot believe that the design of Washington, D.C., has its origins in either.
Whether the city was built with occult themes in mind is an entirely different question, and one which is far too broad a question to be summarily dealt with.
RedeZra
3rd May 2011, 09:15
tradition tells us about invisible beings inhabitating invisible realms
when it is invisible then it's not strange not seeing it
it is normal not to see that which is invisible
so since one has not seen it then one might not believe it
even if tradition says it is so
but when one has seen it then tradition comes to life as true
point is that the mind misses much
and the senses even more
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