Michael Tellinger

[Swami]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNaKGZNK89c

[Swami]

Slave Species of god


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKKQXjRU4Cg

Human Origins


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bIXCwb9nAo

Michael Tellinger & Credo Mutwa


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8QHDdegVWc

[morguana]

this book i am currently reading (as fast as poss as dad wants to pinch it), it is very well written and covers a lot of ground, well worth haveing a nose though in my opinion, however he does not seem to cover any new ground, but is well presented and the ideas collated are food for thought. (slave species of god, that is. my kids have the adams calender one, as it is mainly pictures)

[Snowbird]

There are several different paths that the people of Earth can take to vastly improve their lives and their standard of living. One of these is considered the Contribution System in which people do not work for a living and do not pay taxes and live their lives in freedom with everything that they need provided for. They pursue their passions and live in comfort with all needs and many wants, met. This isn't as foreign as it may sound. This type of lifestyle has been enjoyed by the few for hundreds of years, at the expense of the many.

This thread is in response to the call for ideas for methods and systems that will benefit humanity. I want to write that this is a suggestion that corresponds to Bill Ryan's hugely popular threads, The Rulers Of The World. However, I can't help but think that the 33 would find this contrary to what they have envisioned for this planet. From what I have surmised, the 33 have intentions of culling the population of planet Earth down to the half billion which is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones. This half billion was envisioned by the controllers eons ago, as the sustainable supportable number of inhabitants for this planet. This half billion does not include the poor, or the invalid or the aged or anyone who is not considered strong and capable and unwilling to embrace the rules and procedures of the 427 controlling bloodlines.

The Contribution System was introduced to me by a Conscious Media Network interview with Michael Tellinger. This system parallels the Venus Project to some degree. The Contribution System essentially says that there is no money. And it goes a step further to explain that money was invented many hundreds of years ago as a controlling factor. Tellinger goes on to state that not only is money done away with, but so is every form of barter and trade and value-added. Because these four represent the loopholes for controlling mechanisms. It is a type of Utopia and surprisingly enough, the 427 controlling bloodlines are living this Utopia and have been for thousands of years. These don't necessarily worry about earning a living. In some cases, their subjects support them. Many of these don't pay taxes as do their subjects. Utopia is not only a dream, but it is and has been a state of being for those in the 427 controlling bloodlines.

Contributionism does not include culling. It does not tear down. It builds up.

Think about it.

[Czarek]

post the job, I'll sign up.

[Snowbird]

post the job, I'll sign up.

Czarek, you won't have to sign up unless you want to.

The term job would become an unused and unwanted concept.

What we would do, is whatever-we-are-best at doing to serve others. If someone loves to cook and loves to see people eat and be full and a few others enjoy serving people, you open a restaurant.

If someone really knows how to repair and maintain vehicles and enjoys helping people, this is what they do.

These are not 8 to 10 hour days, unless you want them to be. Someone could spend two hours once per week cleaning someone's home because they enjoy doing it.

In short, we would "work at" those things in life that we enjoy doing that will help someone else.

I can think of a large list that would keep me busy and happy and helping others. :dirol:

[l_e_cox]

I'm glad you attributed this to Tellinger, as that's who I heard it from too.

When you think about it, this is a very advanced social system. If you believe some of the stories that are told in books that you can find out about on the internet (such as the Dutch book about Iarga), then this sort of system is already successfully used by other societies in this universe.

But I want to point out one great stumbling block: criminality, or criminal behavior. This problem is still rampant on our planet, and I think the concept of criminality sums up everything that is wrong here. What we need is a civilized, non-barbaric, and most importantly, workable handling for criminality.

With that in place, or even being worked on (and such handlings do exist and are being worked on), we can begin to see the light at the end of what has been a very long, dark tunnel.

The "33" are working on a "solution" that is a criminal solution. As is obvious from the most recent interview, they hire criminals to do their work for them. And they have insinuated their influence into governments, schools, churches, and business, so these institutions are likewise turning criminal. We have progressed quite far into a situation that seems impossible to get out of. But as I say, handlings do exist and are being worked on. If you look for them you can find out about them. If enough people get behind these handlings, it might even be possible to salvage the situation.

You sometimes hear stories about Golden Eras on earth. See "Gupta Empire" in Wikipedia for one such example. In such times, sufficient order is established in an area for the balance to swing over into a sustained positive scene. The most important weakness of any such regime has been the lack of sufficient technology to handle internal criminality. This leads to weakness and then takeover by external forces. For me, the key is not which system of social organization is in place. If that system were in honest well-meaning hands and could be kept that way, it would be improved and become more and more ideal. If dishonest perverts (sorry, just to make the point) are allowed to take over, then the system will be degraded, resulting in slavery and chaos.

Just to push the point home: Say you have a technology that is somewhat workable. Let's say it's a spiritual technology that a religion is based on. Criminals in the society will try to discredit or destroy this technology because that is what they think they must do to protect themselves. Honest and well-meaning people tend to not understand the criminal and can be persuaded by more intelligent ones to give up what is rightfully theirs. If guile doesn't work, there is always brute force. And thus the technology is lost.

I used the example of spiritual teachings, because this has happened to most, if not all, of them. But it can happen with more prosaic technologies. Remember how Los Angeles used to have an electric street car system? So there is a more basic "technology" that must be learned and practiced for any workable system to be maintained and improved. And that is the technology of how dishonest and degraded people are detected, kept out of important positions in the society, and eventually rehabilitated. Without such a technology well-known and in use, no permanent forward progress is possible.

Some think that the rise and fall of civilizations is the highest game this universe has to offer and that we cannot ever hope to rise out of it. In my view, such people have already began to fall under the influence of the criminal mind. I firmly believe that lasting improvements are possible, and that much higher-level games can be created and enjoyed. But it will never happen if we don't get over this first barrier. Some will insist on inventing new ways to do this. But one way has already been developed and has been in use for over 50 years. All you have to do is look for it.

[l_e_cox]

It should be noted that another thread was started on Contributionism, which should really be part of this one. I like the idea, but we somehow have to make it real. It is a star-high goal for a planet like ours. More pertinent now is: what is the next step to take to move us closer to such a system? And how can we prevent any good idea from being co-opted by the criminal elite?

[rainbowhorse]

Oh my goodness. He's saying everything I think. So... happy... :cry:

[Chicodoodoo]

there is a more basic "technology" that must be learned and practiced for any workable system to be maintained and improved. And that is the technology of how dishonest and degraded people are detected, kept out of important positions in the society, and eventually rehabilitated. Without such a technology well-known and in use, no permanent forward progress is possible.

But one way has already been developed and has been in use for over 50 years. All you have to do is look for it.

OK, I give up. What is it?

[Peacelovinman]

I have been very impressed with Michael Tellinger's concept of Contributionism.

The videos below explain the concept; if anybody has any idea and comments concerning this, please feel free to post!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNaKGZNK89c&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_A4tb3aP74&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDx0pxvOmVU&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na0_hdwND_k&feature=related

[Chicodoodoo]

I agree that contributionism has real potential. If I had the option to choose between the existing greed-driven monetary system and a new system based on cooperative contributionism, that would be a no-brainer for me. I would turn my back on the money and never look back.

[Muzz]

I agree that contributionism has real potential. If I had the option to choose between the existing greed-driven monetary system and a new system based on cooperative contributionism, that would be a no-brainer for me. I would turn my back on the money and never look back.

Well said Chicodoodoo.

[DoubleHelix]

Avalon forum member and radio host Scott Jordan interviews Michael Tellinger on Spectrum Radio Network.

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/michael-tellinger-hidden-human-history-a-reclaiming-ancient-wisdom.html

Michael Tellinger is a scientist, explorer and internationally acclaimed author who has become an authority on the origins of humankind and the vanished civilizations of southern Africa. He has just returned from an expedition to the ruins at Great Zimbabwe and also Mapungubwe, which is at the confluence of South Africa, Botswana and Zimbabwe. Michael will be expanding much more on these spectacular civilizations and their links to his research.

Fantastic interview Scott! I love Mr. Tellinger's work, he's a class act through and through. Zecharia Sitchen would be thoroughly proud of Michael's archaeological research and discoveries.

[firstlook]

Grab a cold one or some coffee and enjoy. :)


PROJECT CAMELOT: MICHAEL TELLINGER - ADAM'S CALENDAR DOCUMENTARY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKxzi8Ra8LY&feature=feedu

Back in June of 2010 I made a trip out to see Adam's Calendar and the stone circles of South Africa. This is a documentary made of my journey. Shot in a guerilla filmmaking style this documentary captures the real flavor of the place, the ambiance and wonder and magic of what may well be one of the most amazing and overlooked ancient sites on Planet Earth.

Michael Tellinger is the well known author of SLAVE SPECIES OF GOD, TEMPLES OF THE AFRICAN GODS, and ADAM'S CALENDAR. These works take off from the work of Zecharia Stichin and reveal what may well be the site where the Anunnaki genetically modified the DNA of humans...

Kerry Cassidy
PROJECT CAMELOT
http://projectcamelot.org
August 2011

[<8>]

Michael Tellinger are just a trooper bless your heart. and kerry cassidy doing it "guerilla style" I love it...:)

Thanks soo much, this info are just soo important.

[cloud9]

Wonderful interview, it give us the opportunity of seeing up close what the place looks like. The small museum with the rocks on top of the tables with the tablecloths on them reminds me a lot of how great things can be made in such a simple way, no need for buildings and technology, at least not yet.

Thank you Kerry. Michael you are such a great guy I just hope you can see your dreams come true in your life time (which is ours too).

[dreamer]

Holy crap, love the vid, Michael tellinger is awesome and his work is important. He looked like he was gonna pass out showing his museum diddnt he?

[mosquito]

Are there any non-youtube versions of this please ?

[Corncrake]

I am fascinated by ancient/secret history and work by Michael Cremo, Klaus Donna and Michael Tellinger - not to forget the Bosnian Pyramid thread on this forum. This is one of the best videos I have seen in some time - as Kerry says it really captures the atmosphere of the place and Michael Tellinger's enthusiasm is contagious.

[WhiteFeather]

Simply Awesome, Watched this once, gonna watch it again. Tellinger and his group discovered something fantastic. Thanks Kerry great interview.

[sunflower]

We were fortunate to be able to attend Michael Tellinger's conference in Montreal last July. He is such an open friendly guy. We got lots of extra info on all sorts of things including David Hudson and White Gold. (Don't Take). I have almost finished reading his"Slave Species of god'. His infectious enthusiasm is really quite contagious! Can't wait for him to return next year! His theories and speculations really make sense!

[Mark]

Excellent interview, that place is amazing. U can feel its energy through the video. Thank you Kerry!

[cloud9]

I had a very hard time looking for the place in google earth but I finally found not the calendar itself but the large territory where the stone shapes can be seen, it is indeed huge.

Even more amazing its how nobody paid attention to this before since aviation is more than 100 years old.

[christian]

Are there any non-youtube versions of this please ?

Living in China you should help yourself. Try www.hidemyass.com

You can enter the url on the main site. If this doesn't work, use a proxy server (not from China of course), you can find them on the site.

If hidemyass doesn't work in China either, google for proxy servers or try www.youtubeproxy.org

[The One]

For those who havent watched this enjoy its fantastic

Back in June of 2010 I made a trip out to see Adam's Calendar and the stone circles of South Africa. This is a documentary made of my journey. Shot in a guerilla filmmaking style this documentary captures the real flavor of the place, the ambiance and wonder and magic of what may well be one of the most amazing and overlooked ancient sites on Planet Earth.

Michael Tellinger is the well known author of SLAVE SPECIES OF GOD, TEMPLES OF THE AFRICAN GODS, and ADAM'S CALENDAR. These works take off from the work of Zecharia Stichin and reveal what may well be the site where the Anunnaki genetically modified the DNA of humans

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[onawah]

I'm on Tellinger's email list and the following just came today. I thought it was interesting in that he was talking to the Parliament about Z. Sitchins' work.

"My first public appearance to promote CONTRIBUTIONISM & UBUNTU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjp3ki2M32g

Dear Natalie

[Please keep your email & details updated by clicking here]

My research into the origins of humankind has produced some startling and unexpected discoveries. Four years ago I never would have imagined how important these would be in the context of many other researchers' work and how the discoveries here in South Africa have helped to pull together some crucial missing links of our human origins. It is now clear that all the so-called advanced civilisations around the world can be traced here to South Africa where it all seems to have started. Not with some ape-like creatures, but modern anatomical humans in vast slave colonies - mining gold.

We have stumbled upon the physical evidence that supports the astonishing work of Zecharia Sitchin who showed us the true meaning of Sumerian translations and exposed the Anunnaki settlers on Earth and their gold-mining activities in the ABZU (southern Africa)- where the gold was discovered in vast quantities, about 445,000 years ago. For those that are new to my work, the highlights have been: Exposing the mysterious stone circles without entrances in southern Africa - more than 10 million of them; linked by roads or channels; and connected in a web of agricultural terraces that indicate a population of about 50 million people who occupied this land. They used sound as a source of energy and they used it in an advanced way as SASER - (LASER - but using sound instead of light). This technology has only recently been rediscovered and scientists are jumping up and down with excitement about its advanced military applications. No surprise there - right?

So it is not surprising to me that as we approach the NEW AGE of enlightenment, the attention is being focused on South Africa once again. This is after all where the energetic footprint of our species was planted. BUT the other important realisation that struck me was that all this activity took place here for about 300,000 years - without the existence of money. To make people do what you want them to do, without rising up in protest, you have to keep them warm, fed and housed in reasonable comfort. They have to be provided with all their basic needs and not desire more.

This is pretty much what happened here. Although this was a new species cloned and created, living in absolute slavery, for the single minded purpose of mining gold and all things that go along with those activities, this was not brutal slavery as often portrayed in movies. It was in essence a prototype model for a moneyless society. Money was NOT part of human evolution as many people believe. Money was a cunning and malicious plan introduced by the Anunnaki, to the Sumerians, only after the destructive flood - some 12,000 years ago, when the mining operations were re-started all over the Earth. Money became the new form of slavery and absolute control of the human slave species.

Remember that when the colonisers arrived in southern Africa, there was no hunger, no homelessness and no money. There was order and abundance for all, which was completely destroyed by the colonisers so that they could take control of the gold fields. They introduced western law and MONEY.

Many ancient texts and wise humans have stated that "The End Days Will Be As The First Days". This is where I take my inspiration for the new social structure I call CONTRIBUTIONISM. The Africans have a name for almost an identical philosophy. It is called UBUNTU. Where everyone contributes their natural talents or acquired skills for the greater benefit of all in the community. In the early 80s the Hopi Chiefs came to South Africa to meet with among others, Credo Mutwa, to discuss their belief that the New Age will start in South Africa. These are just a few fascinating coincidences. But as we know by now, there are NO coincidences.

Since 2006 I have been perfecting this UBUNTU model and found some astonishing revelations. I now know that this is the natural order of things - the exchange and sharing of people's energy. There is no money, no barter, no trade and no value attached to anything. Everyone is equal and everyone's contribution is seen as infinitely valuable. There is much more on this new social structure on my website www.contributionism.org and basic plans of implementation in small towns. Please join the movement online, wherever you are.

In a world of misery, poverty, conflict, crime and separation, UBUNTU Contributionism provides a real solution for the human race, and a fitting place to launch it - South Africa. I will be doing much more work in this area and more presentations on the subject in the coming months and at the UFO SCIENCE AND CONSCIOUSNESS Conference in Johannesburg 25-27 November 2011. Info on this is at www.michaeltellinger.com

BUT - if you are a registered voter in South Africa, we need your signature to register the movement as a national party - to secure protection and credibility and media exposure. Not because I want to be in politics. Please print out the attached form, put your name, signature and ID number on it, and please post it to me at: PO BOX 204 Waterval Boven 1195.

Till next time - when I will fill you in on the Free-Man movement in SA and my contribution with my action against Standard Bank - Keep exploring

Michael of the family Tellinger"
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[Lord Sidious]

I just got introduced to him via skype.
I saw like 10 seconds of the vid and knew I had to support him.
Anyone helping the animals is a good man/woman.

[Muzz]

Big fan of this guy. Thankyou onowah.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dpG_9sLiyM

[modwiz]

This man is a bright light of our species.

[Corncrake]

I am also on Michael Tellinger's mailing list - he is really well worth reading/listening to. Our 'hidden history' is utterly fascinating and there are some wonderful informative threads here on Avalon. Kerry's documentary on 'Adam's Calendar' is a 'must view' too - imho! I also receive info from the Johan Joubert Community on the Freeman movement in South Africa which Michael is now involved with - it is all interconnected.

[Lord Sidious]

This man is a bright light of our species.

I will see if he wants to join up here.

[modwiz]

This man is a bright light of our species.

I will see if he wants to join up here.

Now, that would be a treat.

[Lord Sidious]

I skyped this thread to him, he will read it.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

I respect what he is doing, but he is not the founder of the modern day Ubuntu movement by a long shot.

Ubuntu (philosophy) - Nelson Mandela
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28philosophy%29

For those who are interested my operating system is called Ubuntu.
Ubuntu Our philosophy
http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy
Ubuntu os
http://www.ubuntu.com/

He states the land, water, air etc belongs to the people & not the governments / corporations. I'll split hairs here a say he is partially wrong. For the land, water, air etc does not even belong to the people, we are supposed to share it with everything else around us & not lay claim.

His belief system is close to that of the zeitgeist scam. Both are trying to get rid of money but still want to lay claim to everything that doesn't belong to them. He goes into great lengths to complain about how money is the root to all evil [sic] when he himself sends out begging letters for funds & sells his very thoughts. A contradiction I do believe of the Ubuntu philosophy that he preaches or CONTRIBUTIONISM as he also calls it. Any movement that ends in ism is suspect in itself just like this emblem. It should get the brain cells working overtime in the symbology of its meaning.

http://contributionism.org/images/stories/logo2.png


Official Statement by Michael Tellinger ‐ 26 May 2010. On Credo Mutwa and the accusations of fraud.
http://www.slavespecies.com/media/Credo%20Mutwa%20-%20Official%20Statement%20by%20Michael%20Tellinger%20.pdf

Notice how all translations are through Paypal. Nothing like feeding the very monster that you say you are slaying.

Conclusion:
I haven't one yet until I have looked more closely at this guy & the movement, but the more I look at it, the more I seem to say, "Aye aye".

[Lord Sidious]

Well, when people can get food and all the other necessities for free, people won't need paypal and other ''money'' to move forward.
Michael comes recommended to me as a good man by someone I trust and that is good enough for me.

[Maia Gabrial]

WE DO NOT NEED MONEY! I'm hoping this is where humanity heads....
I agree with everything he's said.... great man!

[Muzz]

Michael Tellinger TruthFrequency Interview 05-28-2011

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Out of the box interview

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Coast to coast interview


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8285311574020077424

and..

Human slave species (http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/6226/Michael_Tellinger__Human_Slave_Species_for_ET_Gods/)

enjoy :)

[truth4me]

Good stuff here Muzz. Good stuff.......I'm listening now and will bookmark for later use.:thumb:

[The One]

Michael Tellinger discusses with Lance White ancient gods in history along with the origins of mankind

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Michael Tellinger - Human Origins 2/3

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Michael Tellinger - Human Origins 3/3

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There are still so many questions to be answered

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[Calz]

Michael Tellinger shows off what could One of the best pieces of evidence that there were giants on Earth a long, long time ago. Geologists have marvelled at this giant foot print in rough granite, about 4 feet long. It is located in South Africa, near the town of Mpaluzi, close to the Swaziland border. It is estimated to be between 200 million and 3 Billion years old because of our current understanding of the formation of granites in Earth's history.


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[crosby]

that is totally fascinating. thanks so much.
regards, corson

[Eric J (Viking)]

Yep another clue that the history books are a load of bollox !!

viking

[Mitm]

According to the sayings of prophet Muhammad, he said that Adam was 30ft tall... alot of research indicates that there was much more oxygen in the beginning which allowed us to live longer (1000 yrs plus) and grow bigger...

[Daft Ada]

Amazing! Thanks Calz. How can this just be totally ignored? Why isn't it all over the news instead of breast implants? If this is not a hoax, then it is absolute proof, what more do they want.

[BestLion]

Nice find! That is interesting! By the size of that print the giant would have been around 20-25 ft tall. That is one massive man!
All lore talks about giants in the days past..They could have been around even during the time of Atlantis. Nobody really knows for sure if that print is 10,000 years old or 1 million years old, they can not carbon date rocks. Since we have so much folklore about giants i tend to think they were around during the last ice age..and a few made it to the current times (6,000BC) but these giants may have been human -giant hybrids..Thus making them around 10 ft tall. The folklore of the Bible say Goliath was around 9'7", Also was a King in the Bible called Og, who wa 11 ft tall here is a chart>
Tallest man on earth today> video>
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[D-Day]

It never ceases to amaze me how evidence like this is completely and utterly ignored by the mainstream scientific community and mainstream media.

W.T.F. !!!

[Referee]

Great Find I am amazed at this rock formation footprint. I want to go see it in person!

[tcjim1]

WOW, that is totally awesome .. nice video, I have enjoyed Michael Tellinger's work. A good book by Michael Tellinger is "Slave Species of God". Its a great read.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

I would like to know how a footprint could end up in granite.
Isn't granite rock hard & formed under the crust while in a magma state?

If anyone has ever walked on mud, moist sand etc, you will know that a foot imprint is totally different to this alleged print.

Until further evidence or even a good theory has been put together this print has no place in the OOPArt (http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/ooparts.htm) category.


Granite is formed when magma (molten rock) is forced between other rocks in the Earth's crust. It cools and crystallizes deep underground. As it cools slowly large crystals are formed. Granites often form large intrusions in the core of mountain ranges, and they are usually surrounded by zones of metamorphic rock (rock that has been altered by heat or pressure). Granite areas have characteristic moorland scenery. In exposed areas the bedrock may be weathered along joints and cracks to produce a tor, consisting of rounded blocks that appear to have been stacked upon one another.
Source (http://www.talktalk.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/hutchinson/m0015252.html)

[Lisab]

Great Find I am amazed at this rock formation footprint. I want to go see it in person!

Me too, would love to go and see.

[ghostrider]

history books need to be re-written with people like michael, Bill, Jordan Maxwell, and Loyd Pye as overseering the entire update of the hidden truth of earth and humans.

[jagman]

I'm sure main stream science will declare this a natural formation. Its in their best interest to lie. if a cast was made of this print
It could reveal some info.

[Tarka the Duck]

Now, please someone, correct me if I'm wrong...I'm sure you will!

I remember, in my school days, studying geology, and being fascinated by the formation of rocks being split into 3 categories – sedimentary, igneous and metamorphic.
Granite falls into the igneous category – IT WAS FORMED FROM MOLTEN ROCK UNDER THE EARTH.

In this video, Michael Tellinger describes this footprint as if it was made from a foot stepping into mud.

Granite was never mud.

PS Bryn in post 10 made this point too, and so far, everyone has ignored it and carried on admiring this piece of "news" !!
Why is that??!!:confused::confused::confused:

[mojo]

Ty Tarka, I was ready to go there. Granite being igneous could never have had a footprint form in it.

[Calz]

Ty Tarka, I was ready to go there. Granite being igneous could never have had a footprint form in it.

Alternatives then? Just a freak of nature?

Remember he is suggesting 200 million into the billions of years.

Does anyone know what all has transpired on Gaia in that timeframe???

Think about how what is recognized as "science" has changed so very dramatically within just the last couple hundred years.

I have no personal attachment to "right or wrong" on what this is.

Throwing out a bone (big one) :haha:

[CeltMan]

I read somewhere a while back, that it was a fake.

Nice bit of sculpting though!

[Calz]

I read somewhere a while back, that it was a fake.

Nice bit of sculpting though!

Ah yes ... more "forbidden archeology" :)

"Mainstream" science as bought and paid for by the PTB/w???

Maybe yes ... maybe not.

Again no vested interest on my behalf. Think how many interesting things have various levels of debunking and disinformation thrown at them.

Some true ... some not.

[BestLion]

Granite was never mud.
yeah I also thought that. Also the print doesn't seem to weathered. You think the rains etc after 10,000+ years it would be more rounded and harder to distinguish? Odd this print is in granite of all things..Just doesn't add up.
Giants do seem to have been real. All myths talk of them. Even religious works. And the elongated skulls found have much larger volumes in them then human skulls, and they have found 100s of these skulls.

[mojo]

Hi Calz, For comparison, there are some igneous intrusions nearby made of quartz-diorite that have fromed in blocks of marble, when the softer rock erodes away (marble) from the granite it looks like the granite was formed in a cast, perhaps that is the similar case here? The granite when molten formed along another rock type that happened to have this shape like a foot.

[BestLion]

Heres something to consider. I use to mow grass at a cemetery when i was 16.. "needed a job and the town trustees gave me a mowing 2 X a month at a 3 acre cemetery" Well some stone there were date back to Born 1771 Died 1832..for example..and many were made of granite or a white i think limestone. Well near all the limestone tombstones were very weathered and I could hardly read them. The granite stones help up pretty good, but they also showed weathering..this was in Northern ohio. Now that print if it was anywhere older then 1,000 years old would be very weathered, it is just too nice..as if it was made last year. ive seen granite tombstone only maybe 90 years old that looked more weathered then that print.
Just a thought I had..

[Calz]

Would not "sculpting" be quite obvious upon close examination?

Camera pans in at Tellinger's suggestion but clearly not enough to make that sort of distinction.

Michael is fairly approachable. Perhaps someone could fire off an email and ask for a more detailed look???

[BestLion]

Would not "sculpting" be quite obvious upon close examination?

Camera pans in at Tellinger's suggestion but clearly not enough to make that sort of distinction.

Michael is fairly approachable. Perhaps someone could fire off an email and ask for a more detailed look???

You'd think so.. I dont know. I am not claiming it to be a hoax..it may be genuine. Are there anymore finding in that area to support giants? any other prints, bones, skulls? If so that would support the case.

[CeltMan]

Granite was never mud.
yeah I also thought that. Also the print doesn't seem to weathered. You think the rains etc after 10,000+ years it would be more rounded and harder to distinguish? Odd this print is in granite of all things..Just doesn't add up.
Giants do seem to have been real. All myths talk of them. Even religious works. And the elongated skulls found have much larger volumes in them then human skulls, and they have found 100s of these skulls.

B.lion

Not just skulls though.

If you google 'giannts skeletons' you will find actual photos of giant skeletons, often with the a man lying beside to get a comparison of height.

12 feet-18 feet

[Tarka the Duck]

Would not "sculpting" be quite obvious upon close examination?

Camera pans in at Tellinger's suggestion but clearly not enough to make that sort of distinction.

Michael is fairly approachable. Perhaps someone could fire off an email and ask for a more detailed look???

I've sent him an email...if I get a reply, I'll post it here.

Kathie

[Calz]

Would not "sculpting" be quite obvious upon close examination?

Camera pans in at Tellinger's suggestion but clearly not enough to make that sort of distinction.

Michael is fairly approachable. Perhaps someone could fire off an email and ask for a more detailed look???

You'd think so.. I dont know. I am not claiming it to be a hoax..it may be genuine. Are there anymore finding in that area to support giants? any other prints, bones, skulls? If so that would support the case.

Tellinger has all sorts of "findings" in that general area. Has a couple books, a DVD. Kerry took a trip down there. No idea about exactly how close to that "footprint" but in the general area yes.

http://www.slavespecies.com/

SNhYtTdhRuo


Michael Tellinger takes you on a tour of Adam's Calendar - now called Enki's Calendar. The Flagship among the millions of circular stone ruins of southern Africa - the original gold mining operation on planet Earth.

[BestLion]

Thanks Calz, That video I have not seen about Adams Calender. I find this archeological find very fascinating! It also seems to date back to around 76,321 BC. Thus that thing may have seen 2-4 global catastrophes. id love to know the true history of it, who built it, why etc.. i for one do like this guy Tellinger, he is very smart and i feel he =is a real genuine truth-finder.. thus this also why i think that print may be real..he is no fool and if it wasn't real he wouldn't even be interested. i do tend to feel from his vibe that he is being as honest as he can be.

[Calz]

For anyone not aware ... Kerry has done an interview with him as well ...

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/michael_tellinger/michael_tellinger.html



I've sent him an email...if I get a reply, I'll post it here.

Kathie


Excellent ... thank you :thank_you2:

[Tarka the Duck]

Here's the reply I received this morning from Michael:

Hello Kathie
I wish I had the answers for the 1000’s of questions I received. This is one of the great mysteries in the world. The geology is definitely granite – which makes this footprint a great puzzle.
Its location and the fact that it was discovered in 1912 in a remote area by a hunter, excludes the possibility of a hoax carving.
Something really amazing happened here a long time ago and we have to face it.

in Pure Truth

Michael of the family Tellinger
All rights reserved - without prejudice - without recourse

[Referee]

If this was discovered in 1912 wow This is close to Adams calander double wow. I wonder what else is there! I am not super gullible but this is pretty awesome. Are there any older pictures of this footprint?

What if the being could walk on a very hot surface!

[161803398]

I googled this and here's the comment:

http://s8int.com/WordPress/2010/09/08/question-re-giant-human-footprint-in-granite/

[Calz]

Here's the reply I received this morning from Michael:

Hello Kathie
I wish I had the answers for the 1000’s of questions I received. This is one of the great mysteries in the world. The geology is definitely granite – which makes this footprint a great puzzle.
Its location and the fact that it was discovered in 1912 in a remote area by a hunter, excludes the possibility of a hoax carving.
Something really amazing happened here a long time ago and we have to face it.

in Pure Truth

Michael of the family Tellinger
All rights reserved - without prejudice - without recourse


Thanks so much for the email and passing along. :thank_you2:

Very helpful :thumb:

[Tarka the Duck]

I googled this and here's the comment:

http://s8int.com/WordPress/2010/09/08/question-re-giant-human-footprint-in-granite/

Thanks for that...the heading, A Biblical Perspective On Science, Without Apology! was, for me, a little worrying.
Also, the fact that he seems happy in the belief that science is wrong about the way in which granite was formed, because "the origin of granite is contentious". I think it's the classification of granite that is contentious, not the way in which it was formed.

[ghostrider]

that's no foot, it's a ... space station. no .. weather ballon.. no swamp gas. just kidding. seriously it's proof they were here, and mainstream media ignores it now back to our regularly scheduled PROGRAMMING. some would be quicker to believe a plane flew into a tall building , cause they saw it on cnn. something set in stone cannot be changed. the only thing that changes is perception. I believe it is a footprint of a man that was 30 ft tall. big man big ego, ehumm I'm make sure they remember for all time I WAS HERE... We leave our fingerprint, they might leave their footprint. hmmmm..

[RedeZra]

Michael Tellinger shows off what could One of the best pieces of evidence that there were giants on Earth a long, long time ago. Geologists have marvelled at this giant foot print in rough granite, about 4 feet long. It is located in South Africa, near the town of Mpaluzi, close to the Swaziland border. It is estimated to be between 200 million and 3 Billion years old because of our current understanding of the formation of granites in Earth's history.



there were giants in the earth in those days before the Flood and also after


the report to Moses in the time of Exodus was that the inhabitants of Canaan were of such a great stature that they felt like grasshoppers compared to them

elsewhere in the Bible in Amos 2 the Amorites are described as tall as cedars and as strong as oaks

i don't know how tall a cedar tree was over 3000 years ago but today the Cedar of Lebanon grows up to 40 m (130 ft)


granite is igneous but it takes some time to solidify and so a giant stamped his foot on it

and i don't trust the extreme old estimates of the earth

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Hi

Its location and the fact that it was discovered in 1912 in a remote area by a hunter, excludes the possibility of a hoax carving.

Not quite true.

It has been known for certain groups to create a hoax & then to sit on it for donkeys years & then to present it to the world as a real deal complete with an old time stamp.

May I suggest that folk do their own experiment in either moist sand or mud to see exactly how a naked foot would leave an imprint.
Walking is basically a form of continuous falling over. First the kneel stamps into the ground leaving a deep impression, then the foot rolls on the outside where it then starts to level off on the ball, which in turn creates a deep impression. The forward motion then makes the toes scrunch up & dig in creating a deeper impression (full body weight) before it pushes off. Once the whole foot is lifted everything that is in front of it is kicked forward & not upward like a meteor crater.
The human foot is a very complex tool that has been baffling scientists of robotics for years.

Then there is the question of how a large human footprint could leave its mark in granite.

[Mike Gorman]

Yes, you make a very valid point, this could have been 'fashioned' using Acid, or modern abrasive techniques.
We should not be too credulous of mere appearances-as we know appearances can be manipulated-it would be
naive to accept all 'aberrant' evidence just because it is..aberrant. Needs further study.

[RedeZra]

May I suggest that folk do their own experiment in either moist sand or mud to see exactly how a naked foot would leave an imprint.

Once the whole foot is lifted everything that is in front of it is kicked forward & not upward like a meteor crater.



an imprint depends on the viscosity of a material and so stepping on moist sand or mud would not be the same as stepping on solidifying granite

and when a walker lift his feet high enough before the next step then not much is kicked forward

[Calz]

May I suggest that folk do their own experiment in either moist sand or mud to see exactly how a naked foot would leave an imprint.

Once the whole foot is lifted everything that is in front of it is kicked forward & not upward like a meteor crater.



an imprint depends on the viscosity of a material and so stepping on moist sand or mud would not be the same as stepping on solidifying granite

and when a walker lift his feet high enough before the next step then not much is kicked forward

I don't have great faith in the dating mechanisms used (carbon dating and others) but should there be any truth whatsoever to the 200 mil to billions of years speculated here then who really knows?

That said ... the "footprint" would not have been made that long ago (at least in keeping with the other material in that area perhaps in the 270k year range). Unless, of course, we are talking about "another" group of giants???

Yes even granite will certainly erode over 270k years.

So what are we to make of this?

Wandering "tricksters" with plenty of acid (or perhaps *on* acid) going back 100 years??? :noidea:

Hmmmm.

This is an interesting one to be sure.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Calz I too thought granit to hard for a imprint, but who knows looks 'cool'..

http://s3.hubimg.com/u/4723958_f520.jpg
Did giants exist on earth? This interesting rock formation may suggest so. Goliath's Footprint, as the locals dubbed it, is one of South Africa's little-known secrets. Nestled in the forests near the Swaziland border of South Africa, this print is definitely not a tourist hot-spot. One may speculate that erosion caused the interesting shape of this upright rock formation, but it features exactly five "toenails," and it looks like the earth has been pushed away around the big toe. If I encountered this photo on the internet, I might have attributed it to Photoshop techniques and have had some doubts about its existence, but I have been to the spot, and felt the grooves with my own fingers. It is very real. If this mystery of nature was indeed made by a giant human, I don't think I would have wanted to encounter him! Locals in the area are all mystified by the footprint. South African folklore does contain mentions of giants, but up to date I haven't heard any stories about the origin of this giant footprint. Some say that there are similar rock formations in India and in Australia, but an internet search has not given me any results.

http://archangels-bloggy.blogspot.com/2011/10/goliaths-footprint.html

http://jozikids.co.za/blog/tag/giants-footprint/

*Local legend tells the story that when Shaka chased the Swazi’s out of this area there was a woman who was a giant. She was known as a goddess amongst the people. She ran towards her lover and left a footprint in the rock. The lovers skull can be seen right in front of her footprint .

This article says it was there in 2005, trying to find a earlier reference......

http://www.chrissiesmeer.co.za/giantfootprint.html

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

May I suggest that folk do their own experiment in either moist sand or mud to see exactly how a naked foot would leave an imprint.

Once the whole foot is lifted everything that is in front of it is kicked forward & not upward like a meteor crater.



an imprint depends on the viscosity of a material and so stepping on moist sand or mud would not be the same as stepping on solidifying granite

and when a walker lift his feet high enough before the next step then not much is kicked forward

To accomplish this one would have to walk rigid & like a puppet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U6eY3ZA5XQ

[Cidersomerset]

For some this name will ring a bell. As a person who has grown up and lived in this area, I thought that after 45 years I knew all the stories about this region.


http://www.chrissiesmeer.co.za/images_giantfootprint/001.jpg






But now new information about one of the sites in the area has surpassed my wildest expectations after a recent visit. In the New Scotland area of Mpumalanga and in this case specifically the Mpuluzi region, there has always been a giant footprint imprinted in the rock that over the years has been called by various names. These names vary from "Big Fool' to 'Goliath's footprint" and sometimes even referred to 'Adam" or -Jesus" footprint. Over the years many people have come to see this giant foot print in the rock near Lothair in the Mpuluzi area.

Fittingly, on Freedom Day, the 27th of April 2005. I had the distinct honour of accompanying a group of very interesting people on their visit to this giant fool print. Many people in South Africa know of Dr Kredo Mutwa or 'Baba" Mutwa, as many call him. Well, I accompanied him, his wife Virginia and the international writer David Ickle, who had been my guest the night before at Florence Guest Farms in Chrissiesmeer. I accompanied them to the giant footprint on their request and was amazed at what enfolded during the day. Dr Mutwa, who is 83 years old, is called a San-use in South Africa. He explained that the San-usi is a leader, especially in African spiritualism. On our arrival at the giant footprint, and due to the fact that the giant foot print is situated quite high up on a steep slope, and because of his age and frailty, DR Mutwa was unable to climb up to the site, but rather sat at the foot of the slope, below the giant foot print, and proceeded to tell the most interesting story about this, that we have always called Goliath's footprint.
According to Dr Mutwa, the giant footprint is the holiest place in South Africa and is also one of the holiest place in the world. He was seriously concerned and could not understand why the government in South Africa had not yet taken steps to protect and to make this holy place, known to the publick. According to him, the footprint is that of a woman's left foot with matching right foot imprint in Sri Lanka. He explained that the footprint in Sri Lanka called "The footprint of Athen". He was visited this footprint in Sri Lanka and explained that on a yearly basis millions of people visit that site in Sri Lanka, hence his surprise that nothing has been done to make this site known to the public. According to him, these were made by giants, and as proof of this is that which is written in the Bible that there were giants on the earth in the past.


http://www.chrissiesmeer.co.za/images_giantfootprint/002.jpg








As he sat at the foot of the slope, he turned to look at the footprint and through his rather thick glasses, stared at the footprint and began to weave an intriguing story. According to the legend Shaka named the area iMpuluzi after he had driven out the Swazis that had settled in the area. Furthermore, he pointed out that the footprint is that of a woman and that her name was iMpuluzi and named as such by Shaka, which means the naked goddess. .This giant live in a time, which is lost in the mists of time and that this giant was approximately 36ft(10,97m) high and that her footprint was approximately 6ft (1,8m) long. The imprint of her foot was made as she ran across an open piece of ground that was covered with warm lava ash and that is how the footprint came to be in granite, which is now so prominently displayed on the side of this hill.

He went on to explain that iMpulizi was running to her loved one and if one looks at the area one finds just below the hill an enormous rock that has the definite shape of a human skull. According to Baba Mutwa, that is the remains of iMpuluzi's loved one. He explained that in the black cultures of Africa, the skull symbolizes eternity and that even when a person has died many years ago a portion of the skull can never be destroyed. He points to the area in Mpuluzi and the large numbers of giant round granite rock found throughout the area, which according to him is proof of the existence of these giants. The round rocks are the fossilized remains of these giant skulls.


http://www.chrissiesmeer.co.za/images_giantfootprint/003.jpg



Baba Mutwa pointed to the hills surrounding the footprint and explains that this is a place of love, of peace and of healing and that iMpuluzi's footprint is there to serve the power of good. He explains that as a young boy in 1937, he was brought to the footprint of iMpulzi by his mother, after having suffered a severe case of child molestration.

iMpuluzi is also a place for marriages and to the surprise of the whole group, right there and then he "married" his second wife with a very simple ceremony. During this ceremony David Icke, who had listened attentively, captured the entire story on video, as according to him, he is busy writing his new book and will produce a DVD, which will cover this wonderful place and its legend.

Of great interest is that on various occasions horticulturists and other visitors have pointed out that on this small hill there is an amazing amount of medicinal plants that grow and that one of them, which is called the 'Baboons tail and grows in abundance, can be used to stop TB and to treat asthma.

The water that continually pours out all over this small hill and runs over the rocks is referred to as the tears of the gods', or in this case "goddess". Of course this entire story was fascinating to hear but what many people don't know, this is not the first time that iMpuluzi, the giant's footprint, has had special visitors, as previously an entire delegation of native Americans had visited the site and conducted a very "holy" ceremony at this place.
So, here I am, on Freedom Day 2005. Leaving iMpuluzi which has once again brought a wonder and deeper searching of the hidden legends of Africa and more specific this area that I thought I knew so well. For a truly unique experience, one should visit this place and experience the awe of this perfectly formed giant's footprint imprinted in granite rock and hear the legend of the giant called iMpuluzi, which makes for a fascinating story.


Credo Mutwa says as a boy he was brought there in 1937 , so thats pushing back the 'hoaxers' ??

[RedeZra]

May I suggest that folk do their own experiment in either moist sand or mud to see exactly how a naked foot would leave an imprint.

Once the whole foot is lifted everything that is in front of it is kicked forward & not upward like a meteor crater.



an imprint depends on the viscosity of a material and so stepping on moist sand or mud would not be the same as stepping on solidifying granite

and when a walker lift his feet high enough before the next step then not much is kicked forward

To accomplish this one would have to walk rigid & like a puppet.



perhaps the giant was running



Furthermore, he pointed out that the footprint is that of a woman and that her name was iMpuluzi and named as such by Shaka, which means the naked goddess. .This giant live in a time, which is lost in the mists of time and that this giant was approximately 36ft(10,97m) high and that her footprint was approximately 6ft (1,8m) long. The imprint of her foot was made as she ran across an open piece of ground that was covered with warm lava ash and that is how the footprint came to be in granite, which is now so prominently displayed on the side of this hill.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

May I suggest that folk do their own experiment in either moist sand or mud to see exactly how a naked foot would leave an imprint.

Once the whole foot is lifted everything that is in front of it is kicked forward & not upward like a meteor crater.



an imprint depends on the viscosity of a material and so stepping on moist sand or mud would not be the same as stepping on solidifying granite

and when a walker lift his feet high enough before the next step then not much is kicked forward

To accomplish this one would have to walk rigid & like a puppet.



perhaps the giant was running



Furthermore, he pointed out that the footprint is that of a woman and that her name was iMpuluzi and named as such by Shaka, which means the naked goddess. .This giant live in a time, which is lost in the mists of time and that this giant was approximately 36ft(10,97m) high and that her footprint was approximately 6ft (1,8m) long. The imprint of her foot was made as she ran across an open piece of ground that was covered with warm lava ash and that is how the footprint came to be in granite, which is now so prominently displayed on the side of this hill.


Na, the imprint of a runner is again totally different. The force of the push off would push the ball of the foot & toes yet deeper also resulting in swiping/kicking the ground once lifted. Hence, skid mark.

The thing is about hoaxes/scams, is folk will keep on altering the info until they have achieved the desired goal.

[Cidersomerset]

You could be right Bryn , but would be interresting to find the earliest reference to it......Credo Mutwa suggest its old, odd thing to carve !!!

[RedeZra]

I don't have great faith in the dating mechanisms used (carbon dating and others) but should there be any truth whatsoever to the 200 mil to billions of years speculated here then who really knows?

Yes even granite will certainly erode over 270k years.

So what are we to make of this?



i don't know how old the earth is

but i know the official version of our origin and history is so far from accurate that it all seems willfully deceptive

i can only explain this by some sinister force in control of our elite and establishment with an equal sinister agenda i would think


as far as i'm concerned the Deluge wiped out an advanced civilisation just some 4400 years ago

and that is why we have fossils all over the place which are organic remains buried instantly in mud

[161803398]

I think we have probably pummeled ourselves back to the stone age many times in the past and are in the process of doing it again.

http://reinep.wordpress.com/2011/06/27/evidence-for-ancient-atomic-warfare-an-epic-story/

[Cidersomerset]

Well i just watched the Claus Donner interview put up by Hughe where he talks about finding bones of 30 ft giants , so is a little corroboration of
the Zulus legend mentioned by Credo Mutwa, may have some ancient truth in them....

Z5DhM2OMabY

So worth putting on this thread I think....Steve

[alienHunter]

One other possibility might have been overlooked: Shock Metamorphism.

[Calz]

One other possibility might have been overlooked: Shock Metamorphism.

Okay ... I surrender ... had to look it up :)


Shock metamorphism or impact metamorphism describes the effects of shock-wave related deformation and heating during impact events. The formation of similar features during explosive volcanism is generally discounted due to the lack of metamorphic effects unequivocally associated with explosions and the difficulty in reaching sufficient pressures during such an event.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_metamorphism

[Unified Serenity]

Could it not simply be a form to hold a statue thousands of years ago? I mean build a statue of a giant in lifesize and to help it stand they formed a mold in granite to set the statues foot down into it? It's just an idea, but there could be a lot of explanations as to what created this and why they would do so that does not point to any tricks being done in the present day.

My vote is it's just that, a very old carved out foot to hold a statue up.

[alienHunter]

Makes sense to me... :wave:


Could it not simply be a form to hold a statue thousands of years ago? I mean build a statue of a giant in lifesize and to help it stand they formed a mold in granite to set the statues food down into it? It's just an idea, but there could be a lot of explanations as to what created this and why they would do so that does not point to any tricks being done in the present day.

My vote is it's just that, a very old carved out foot to hold a statue up.

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I think the intent of that description is to convey that the forces created by shock are greater than what would normally be found in non-catastrophic formations.



One other possibility might have been overlooked: Shock Metamorphism.

Okay ... I surrender ... had to look it up :)


Shock metamorphism or impact metamorphism describes the effects of shock-wave related deformation and heating during impact events. The formation of similar features during explosive volcanism is generally discounted due to the lack of metamorphic effects unequivocally associated with explosions and the difficulty in reaching sufficient pressures during such an event.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_metamorphism

[Calz]

As someone who read Tellinger's first book I was on his mailing list. Doesn't often send out anything but he did yesterday and it was regarding this footprint so will share it here in case anyone is interested.

________________


Foot Print of GOD.

I would like to share with you what could be one of the best pieces of evidence that there were once giants on Earth a long, long time ago. Geologists have marvelled at this giant foot print in rough granite, about 4 feet long. This is a deeply sacred, mystical and spiritual place among African knowledge keepers and so it should remain. It is affectionately known as the Footprint of God. At about 4 feet in length, the person who would have left it behind must have been about 24 feet OR 7, 5 m tall. This site presents us with a real dilemma and a deep mystery that needs to be resolved.

I start many of my presentations by saying, that the history of our planet is a lot stranger than most of us could possibly imagine. All you need to do is look at the brilliant research of Klaus Dona, to see the evidence of 7,5m-tall giants in prehistory on our planet.

To view the video clip of the Footprint of God – please click on the link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dRuxw-nZoJw

Some claim that the footprint is a natural erosion pattern. Personally I find that suggestion highly improbable for various reasons that I will not go into here. But to support my thoughts on this, Prof. Pieter Wagener from the Nelson Mandela Metropolitan University in Port Elizabeth SA, and a PhD in applied maths, suggests that "there is a higher probability of little green men arriving from space and licking it out with their tongues, than it being created by natural erosion".

The footprint is located in South Africa, near the town of Mpaluzi, close to the Swaziland border. It is estimated to be between 200 million and 3 billion years old because of our current understanding of the formation of granites in Earth's history. This dating immediately causes heated debate and argument - so I urge you to keep your mind open and focused on the evidence.

This amazing footprint in granite was discovered in 1912 by a farmer called Stoffel Coetzee, while hunting. At that time this was a deeply remote part of South Africa known as the Eastern Transvaal, teeming with wild life, including antelope, wildebeest and lions. The footprint remains in the same condition as it was when first discovered. The possibility that this was a carved hoax is extremely low because of its remote location. The erosion pattern inside the foot is very similar to the natural erosion around the footprint. It is unimaginable that a few thousand years ago, someone decided to carve a giant footprint into the rock at this remote particular spot. Even today, it is difficult to find.

The real mystery is how this amazing phenomenon occurred – I have no real proof but I have several theories and ideas, but these are just speculation, allowing for an extremely unusual set of circumstances. BUT – the footprint remains and we cannot wish it away.

YES - It is granite - it is a well recognised geological part of South Africa and recorded on all geological maps - that is why this footprint is such an incredible mystery. It can be described as a "phenocrystic" granite, OR coarse porphyritic granite, that underwent several different stages of cooling. The result being an interesting mixture of large and small granules. This is why granite companies are keen to mine this area for granite because it will look really "pretty" when polished. In the official Geology Of South Africa, this outcrop is called Mpuluzi Batholith (Granite) and the official dating of this rock produced dates of around 3,1 billion years.



Let me remind you that we know less about our human history than is allowed by the laws of physics. So if you fall into the category of individuals who immediately dismiss this as a hoax or natural erosion, I ask you to check your ego and arrogance and open your mind to infinite possibility in a multiverse of infinite possibility.

This is a real mystery that needs close scientific examination and I will be embarking on this in the near future.

Keep exploring – Michael Tellinger.

[Cidersomerset]

1912 who would be in the middle of nowhere carving a giant footprint ?? Anyway when he zooms in close at the end, its difficult
to see how it was carved leaving the overhang, and the imprint is not pristine ,rather a little jagged as if by the movement of jerking
your foot up and the toes are smaller in proportion like a female. Also would there not be chisil marks ? the mystery deepens.....

Steve

[kersley]

Wow.. a human standing outside on the pavement peeping over my roof is hard to wrap my head around..
On the other hand, everything were super big back then.. so why not? We are talking about a man been able to push a 3 bedroom house over.. On a football pitch, 4 steps from one goal post to another..
Maybe it's so so bad these humans are not around today..

[Bluewool]

200 Million Year Old Giant Footprint
Michael Tellinger shows off what could be one of the best pieces of evidence that there were giants on Earth a long, long time ago. Geologists have marveled at this giant foot print in rough granite, about 4 feet long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRuxw-nZoJw&feature=share
Nancy: Horus, can you verify and explain the footprint that is shown in the video with Michael Tellinger? Horus: When that footprint was made in the soil of the area of South Africa, it was known to be a soft and pliable area in which to walk and pass through. The natives of that land were approximately 28 ft high and walked with an agile gate through the lands of the area. This was at a time previous to much of the changing landscape. When the tectonic plates of the earth began to shift and change the surface that is when this footprint became preserved in the soil as it was transformed into boulders, etc that you see there now. The footprint has long been preserved through the various changes that have taken place since that time. This is the time, with the various earth changes that are taking place now, when many of these examples of a former life on earth will be prevalent as evidence of the former lifeforms on earth.

[Tangri]

According to the sayings of prophet Muhammad, he said that Adam was 30ft tall... alot of research indicates that there was much more oxygen in the beginning which allowed us to live longer (1000 yrs plus) and grow bigger...

I never heard anything like that. A lot of clerics making up stories what Hz. Mohammed said.
Then they can create common sense, with that; manipulation process easily on people. if you chose your path with a person's word you will not find your home.

[TelosianEmbrace]

Giants existed then and they exist now, end of story. This and more shall be revealed, soon enough.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Giants existed then and they exist now, end of story. This and more shall be revealed, soon enough.

The old keep folk in suspense tactic. How about presenting the evidence now?

[TelosianEmbrace]

Giants existed then and they exist now, end of story. This and more shall be revealed, soon enough.

The old keep folk in suspense tactic. How about presenting the evidence now?
My dear Bryn, in my decades of research I have come across so much evidence of the existence of giants that for me it is simply done and dusted. I respect your right and the right of others to continue their search for information. What is more important than evidence is belief. I have personally seen people deny a truth that is before their very eyes, and also know those who believe in something/someone with no evidence at all.

For those who are interested, here is a thread I started on the existence of giants in the present day on the Solomon Islands... www.projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36636-Current-Solomon-Islands-Giant-Expedition

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Giants existed then and they exist now, end of story. This and more shall be revealed, soon enough.

The old keep folk in suspense tactic. How about presenting the evidence now?
My dear Bryn, in my decades of research I have come across so much evidence of the existence of giants that for me it is simply done and dusted. I respect your right and the right of others to continue their search for information. What is more important than evidence is belief. I have personally seen people deny a truth that is before their very eyes, and also know those who believe in something/someone with no evidence at all.

For those who are interested, here is a thread I started on the existence of giants in the present day on the Solomon Islands... www.projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36636-Current-Solomon-Islands-Giant-Expedition

Cheers, I have already seen that thread & those videos. I'm not disputing that there where giants at on point. Having evidence to back up claims is a must in the truth world. The belief structure is what has kept folk in bondage for the last 2000+ years.

[WhiteFeather]

Her toenails must have been immense. Can u imagine the size of her socks, would make a great sleeping bag to say the least

[Dennis Leahy]

Please, friends, please stop. Stop and think. As several have noted, this is granite, not a sedimentary rock that could have had a footprint. Speculating or believing that a 4-foot long 'footprint' shape or even a 1-foot long footprint could have been made in granite is not being open minded - it is embarrassingly naive. An 80 tonne dinosaur could not have left its footprint in granite either. Granite is only soft when it is magma - molten rock. In laboratory conditions, if you were able to liquefy the components of granite, and tried to press a pattern into the magma, the depression would re-fill with magma before it could cool and solidify.

This is either a hoax, carved and eroded, or what is commonly known in paleontology as a "pseudofossil" - something that simply looks like a fossil.

Seriously. Case closed. This is one of the silliest threads to appear on Avalon since I started visiting. We need to exercise some discernment or even the guys wearing tinfoil hats will poke fun at us.

(I hate to add to the length of this thread, but I want to pound a stake in its heart so it can finally die.)

Dennis

[ponda]

Here's some examples of granite erosion

http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/173556/large/E4600449-Eroded_granite-SPL.jpg

http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/173430/large/E4600320-Tafoni_in_granite_rocks_caused_by_erosion-SPL.jpg

[witchy1]

Perhaps over the eons of time to come, the inhabitants of planet earth will uncover Mt Rushmore and beleive that we too were giants.

PS - I do belive that very very tall people once inhabited the planet and much information in this regard is well buried

[christian]

You can sign the petition here:

http://www.newera.org.za/the-big-case/

A short synopsis from ashtarcommandcrew-blog:




Global history will be made on Friday 20th April 2012, at 11am in Braamfontein, Johannesburg when Michael Tellinger will deliver his petition regarding the unscrupulous activity of the banks, particularly Standard Bank, to the Constitutional Court.
Tellinger will also serve the NOTICE OF MOTION on the RESERVE BANK and the MINISTER OF FINANCE on the same day.
There is hardly any South African who has not been harmed in some way by the actions of the banks. For too long have banking giants been unassailable and untouchable by the common man.
This is an historic event in South Africa and the rest of the world where for the first time a layperson has been given direct access to petition the Constitutional Court regarding the devious activities of the banks. The people of South Africa and the members of the media are invited to report on this historic event.
This case may have started as a matter of principle for Michael Tellinger against STD Bank, but it has escalated to such a degree that every South African and everyone in the world could be effected, because a positive outcome will result in a major public policy shift and the changing of the laws that govern the banks.
Tellinger will argue that the lack of control and intervention by the Minister Of Finance has allowed the banks and the RESERVE BANK to do as they please with impunity and without recourse by the citizens, and in the process have enslaved millions of honest, hard-working South Africans to a life of misery and debt through a the banks’ malicious activities.
This historic landmark case will attempt to redress the imbalance that has taken place for centuries by the few that have been called the banking elite. The Constitutional Court is the highest court on constitutional matters. Its very foundation being the protector of human rights and democracy.

Read more: http://www.ashtarcommandcrew.net/profiles/blogs/the-big-case-michael-tellinger-vs-standard-bank-new-economic?xg_source=activity#ixzz1sb4HXjgB


You can skip the first 5-6 minutes.
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[childs hood end]

Michael Tellinger is interviewed on CNBC Africa on 7 May 2012 – regarding his Constitutional Court action against Standard Bank, The South African Reserve Bank and the Minister of Finance. On 24 April 2012 Michael served a 1100 page legal document – Notice of Motion on all three parties. The paper presents more than 30 breaches of laws, bills and acts by all three parties that have been unchallenged until now. They have until around 18th May to serve their legal defence. By 28 May all papers have to be submitted after which a date for the trial will be set by the court. This is a full bench of the Constitutional Court – 11 Judges; 22 clerks; and a host of researchers to really get to the bottom of the atrocities committed by the banks against the people of the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UlHuJI5-PNc

[christian]

Update:

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[ExomatrixTV]

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http://thebigcase.co.za - http://newera.org.za/the-big-case/

~Fair Use Reupload from: http://youtube.com/MichaelTellinger

Michael Tellinger is interviewed on CNBC Africa on 7 May 2012 - regarding his Constitutional Court action against Standard Bank, The South African Reserve Bank and the Minister of Finance. On 24 April 2012 Michael served a 1100 page legal document - Notice of Motion on all three parties. The paper presents more than 30 breaches of laws, bills and acts by all three parties that have been unchallenged until now. They have until around 18th May to serve their legal defense. By 28 May all papers have to be submitted after which a date for the trial will be set by the court. This is a full bench of the Constitutional Court - 11 Judges; 22 clerks; and a host of researchers to really get to the bottom of the atrocities committed by the banks against the people of the world.

http://MichaelTellinger.com

Michael's Constitutional Court action against Standard Bank

Michael Tellinger On CNBC Africa 7 May 2012 - Constitutional Court Case

I just created a new petition and I hope you can sign -- it's called: Support the Constitutional Court Action Against the BANKS in South Africa

This issue is very important to me, and together we can do something about it! If you sign and then share with your friends and contacts, we'll soon reach our goal of 100,000 signatures and build pressure to get the decision we want at the Constitutional Court in South Africa, which will reverberate around the world. This is a historic moment so let's make it work.

Click here to read more about it and sign:
http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Support_the_Constitutional_Court_Action_Agai... (http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Support_the_Constitutional_Court_Action_Against_the_BANKS_in_South_Africa/?launch)

Campaigns like this always start small, but they grow when people like us get involved -- please take a second right now to help out by signing and passing it on. See my interview on CNBC Africa on the 7th May 2012.

Thanks so much,
Michael of the family Tellinger

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~ WE ARE NOT "POWERLESS" ~

When Freedom Radiates & Truth Resonates, Tyranny Falls.

Big Brother Surveillance Society is NOT there to "protect" you, but to protect the NWO Mafia, they know YOU gonna be -Mad as Hell- about their abuse of power !

Hijacked Governments Legalize Corporate Crimes & Criminalizing Real Solutions: Suppressed inventions & Alternative Cures, google "When Healing Becomes a Crime" & "Hemp Revolution"

"corporatism" = police enforcing more & more totally insane unconstitutional laws & regulations

Nobody knows what all know together THAT is why we need to consider all options. Those who silence or downplay messengers are not part of the Spiritual rEvolution.

[blake]

My wife forwarded this to me. I thought some may have an interest,

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

Today I had an interesting chat with my friend Michael Tellinger in South Africa. You may recall our past conversations about an ancient stone circle in South Africa called Adam's Calendar. Giant Foot Print 200 Million Yrs Old - South Africa - this all goes with ancient alien theory, which by now you understand. But is the past... ancient history if you will ....

Today Michael and I talked about other matters - something far more serious - the collapsing global economy. Many people are already planning for "The Next" after all systems fail. Michael wrote ...


Dear Ellie,
It was fabulous to speak to you again after some time. So much has happened here in South Africa. Since October 2010, we started taking on the banks and their unlawful activity. Together with a handful of others, mainly Scott Cundill, we began a process of legal actions against the banks in SA. At first the media did not really pay much attention to us and they mostly portrayed us as a bunch of crazy people trying to wangle their way out of debt. This was all from a position of complete ignorance.

Two years have passed and we have reached a point where we believe that we are very close to completely exposing the fraudulent activities of the banks and even possibly causing some of the banksters to get jail-time in SA for the unlawful extortion they committed against the people.

In the beginning we could not find a lawyer who understood what we were talking about - as we represented ourselves in the Supreme Court against the highest paid lawyers and advocates money can buy. Filled with arrogance and feeling untouchable they mocked us openly and in the process lied, presented false evidence and pretended that we were fringing on insanity. For two years the courts and Judges bought their charades and all the judgements went against us. I lost a property in the process, that was auctioned off in front of me for 2 thirds of the price. We were even denied by the Constitutional Court, stating that there was "no prospect of success" for our case. This is simply ludicrous to imagine that the Constitutional Court decided that we had no chance of winning the case against the banks, without seeing any evidence at all. Last week we had more than 6 calls from some of the most senior lawyers in SA asking for our advice on the fraudulent activity of the banks. Once the lawyers understand the scam, I fear it is all over for the banksters. That day has arrived.

The past 6 weeks everything has turned in our favour and it now seems that the little lies and deceptions of the banksters are going to catch up with them - finally. I served a summons with five cases of civil fraud against STD Bank 4 weeks ago. Last week I served a motion to rescind the judgement against me and return of my property with damages - based on the serious charges in the fraud action.

Scott Cundill started the New Economic Rights Alliance (NewEra) which has grown into the third largest non profit organisation in SA in 6 months. NewEra is about to launch the largest class action lawsuit against the banks with about 180,000 people. This will most likely bring the closure of the banking system in SA. Many of our court documents can be downloaded on New Era.org

But if that does not do it, the UBUNTU PARTY has investigated bringing criminal charges against all the banks, their CEOs and the directors. The evidence has now piled up so severely that this action is most likely imminent.

On Monday, 8th October 2012, we are expecting our first huge victory in a court - which will open the door to huge mass action, criminal action and a domino effect that will have unprecedented and an unpredictable effect on the banking industry. This will include the SA Reserve Bank.

The UBUNTU Party which took me 3 years to register, is acting as a political front for much of this change but it's main role is to provide the people with hope and an exciting alternative socio political system in a world without money. To most people this is unthinkable - but once people spend some time and explore how beautiful the world will be without money and how we will all thrive in abundance, people normally get very excited. I have seen this over the past 7 years now. The time is here to embrace a whole NEW WORLD in a NEW AGE - this will mean a complete change in the way we live today.

Our actions against the banks are providing the perfect platform for UBUNTU Contributionism to take its rightful place at the centre of human community, allowing people to LIVE their lives rather than SLAVE their lives away. Please follow the activity of the UBUNTU Party on our website www.ubuntuparty.org.za for a consciously exhilarating positive way ahead for humanity - a world without money that I call Contributionism. All ancient cultures knew it well and we are rediscovering it here at the foot of Africa - the cradle of humankind. "The end days will be as the first days."

In Pure Truth,
Michael
Contact Michael

[gripreaper]

Love You Michael Tellinger, and your passion for uncovering the truth.

There are many here in "these united States" who are also uncovering the fraud, but are having trouble getting traction against the globalist banksters, due to the fact that our government and judiciary are completely bankrupt, sold out, and corrupted to the core, both morally and financially.

Jerry and Joe Kane were gunned down in cold blood and framed, and 60 minutes did an awful hit piece of the "sovereign citizens", taking Alfred Adask's words completely out of context, lied about Jerry and Joe, and all with sound bites and editing. The Branch Davidian's were burned at the stake, all 82 men, women and children in an inferno to which the FBI instigated and fomented. Many more incidents too numerous to mention since this fight has been raging here in the US.

The Farmers Claim took 35 years and went all the way to the US Supreme Court, at great expense to the participants, and with many national fund raisers to support these farmers, and they finally got a judgment with reparations. They have NEVER been able to collect those reparations against the banksters.

Still, over 90% of our population is still asleep and content with their abject slavery, as long as their hamster wheels have flashing lights on them and their pillow and blanket is not taken away. We are lethargic and disinterested, even when the evidence of 9-11 is overwhelming, it has become a taboo subject and most refuse to acknowledge it or talk about it. The group mind here is self policing, and the banksters can still do whatever they want.

I hope one day enough people will wake up and say "That's enough" and take out the banksters, bringing free energy and a system of exchange which is not based on usury, debt, interest, and fiat currency. Your ideas are wonderful and I wish more people knew about them.

We are not giving up, although we have many battle scars here. There are many threads here at Avalon which have exposed the fraud, which is essentially legal in the Corporate UNITED STATES. The lawful government was shelved and put into the dust bin over 150 years ago, and all assets and labor "in perpetuity", was pledged to these banksters through bankruptcy, and we are in receivership, under a constant and perpetual state of emergency, and subjected to tyranny every day.

When will people realize how bad it really is? I hope it's soon. Let us know if you can get the Fed wire transfer logs for the initial deposits on the alleged Securities masquerading as Promissory Notes, and the receipt for the off balance sheet account ledgering. No one else has been able to break this loggerhead for "substantive evidence" to bust the fraud wide open. These two pieces are needed.

Sincerely,
Gripreaper

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Now Tellinger on the other hand : Brilliant man! Same with Hershal, Tsarion, Weidner, and this guy Harry Hubbard (Bill this guy needs a Camelot interview imo)

69BUJog6f5Y Cheers!

[eileenrose]

Go Tellinger Go!

[Star Tsar]

Been a while since we heard from Michael Tellinger so here last nights Coast to Coast.

In the first hour Charles Shults III give an update on shiny object found on Mars, exoplanets, and technology.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5__NCGMvQno&feature=player_detailpage

I like the picture the uploader used for show.

:peace:

[Cidersomerset]

This is timely with some of the other threads going on, i'l have to listen to this tommorrow as I have the tele on in the corner with part 3
of Ancestors autopcy on, which i'm half listening to, and posting on a couple threads , but this is one i want to listen to thanks K.W.B.....

[Star Tsar]

Yes I thought exactly the same when I clocked it!
You know what they say about great minds and all of that.
Micheal speaks @ 40 minute mark

[apokalypse]

thanks, great interview with Tellinger.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9lgek6sdee9quoe/W41iLexdmP ...anyone interested having this interview to their mp3 playlist.

around 1:21:00 mark he blow me away...this popup on my head right away where Humans born on earth to become a slave for the system.

[Sirius White]

I wonder if he knows that they have returned :)

[Jay]

Michael Tellinger's Legal Adviser robbed - apparently with the help of South African police:

Cops aid Midrand robbers - victim
2012-10-24
Johannesburg - A legal adviser was robbed at gunpoint at his home in Blue Hills, Midrand, apparently with the help of police, The Star reported on Wednesday.

Raymondt Dicks was at his home with his son and friend on Saturday when six men stormed into the house and tied them up.

Dicks is a legal adviser to the group NewERA (New Economic Rights Alliance), which has launched a court case against four major banks in the country including SA Reserve Bank. He is also representing author Michael Tellinger, who is suing Standard Bank for civil fraud.

The newspaper reported that the video footage caught on hidden cameras showed what appeared to be three police cars, two vans and one Ford Escort, driving backwards and forwards on the 600m-long street while the robbery took place.

"They walked in with no shame. It was extremely well orchestrated. What I went through during the robbery was bad enough, but when I watched the footage afterward I was really shocked," said Dicks.

He said the footage showed police vans blocking the road while the robbers entered his property.

The Star reported that Dicks and his son were made to hand over their bank cards and their PINs, and their bank accounts were cleared out. A television set, speakers, amplifier, computer and cell phones were also taken.

The legal adviser believed the police vehicles were loaded with items stolen during the robbery.

Police spokesperson Constable Matome Tlamela said police were investigating a case of armed robbery.

She said the video footage did not show clearly that the vans involved belonged to the police.
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Cops-aid-Midrand-robbers-victim-20121024

[Jay]

Michael Tellinger's Legal Adviser robbed - apparently with the help of South African police:

NEWS24: Cops aid Midrand robbers - victim
2012-10-24
Johannesburg - A legal adviser was robbed at gunpoint at his home in Blue Hills, Midrand, apparently with the help of police, The Star reported on Wednesday.

Raymondt Dicks was at his home with his son and friend on Saturday when six men stormed into the house and tied them up.

Dicks is a legal adviser to the group NewERA (New Economic Rights Alliance), which has launched a court case against four major banks in the country including SA Reserve Bank. He is also representing author Michael Tellinger, who is suing Standard Bank for civil fraud.

The newspaper reported that the video footage caught on hidden cameras showed what appeared to be three police cars, two vans and one Ford Escort, driving backwards and forwards on the 600m-long street while the robbery took place.

"They walked in with no shame. It was extremely well orchestrated. What I went through during the robbery was bad enough, but when I watched the footage afterward I was really shocked," said Dicks.

He said the footage showed police vans blocking the road while the robbers entered his property.

The Star reported that Dicks and his son were made to hand over their bank cards and their PINs, and their bank accounts were cleared out. A television set, speakers, amplifier, computer and cell phones were also taken.

The legal adviser believed the police vehicles were loaded with items stolen during the robbery.

Police spokesperson Constable Matome Tlamela said police were investigating a case of armed robbery.

She said the video footage did not show clearly that the vans involved belonged to the police.
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Ne...ictim-20121024

[Finefeather]

Yes, being a South African myself, and a member of the Ubuntu Party, we are all waiting for this to materialize...but as in the rest of the world the bankers own the government and the police force as well.
There is no difference to the plight of the rest of the world and unfortunately we are a small country and still very divided by the old system of apartheid...the powers use this black/white divide to their advantage.
South Africa was stolen by the British Monarchy in the name of the Commonwealth and Cecil John Rhodes was the head of the mission to take over this country's wealth of minerals, diamonds and gold etc.
There is much to do to bring the real changes here, like education, because with an ignorant uneducated majority the powers have easy ways of manipulating the country.

[Kimberley]

*********

Important message from Michael Tellinger

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Published on Oct 26, 2012 by Michael Tellinger

Urgent Press Release:
Michael Tellinger -- founder of the UBUNTU Liberation Movement and the UBUNTU political party in South Africa. Organised professional hit squad attacked their legal adviser Raymondt Dicks, his son and a friend, in Johannesburg on 20 October 2012, and kept them hostage and tied up, face down on the floor for 3 hours at gunpoint, while going through all his legal files and evidence gathered in favour of exposing criminal activity by the banks. The only legal document missing were the files related to Tellinger's case, the UBUNTU Party and NewERA -- Scott Cundill's non-profit organisation to help people against the abuse of banks. Michael reveals a sinister attempt by corporations that include the banksters who can only be defined as organised crime syndicates, that seem to use rogue groups within the SA Police Services as hit squads to take people hostage at gun point, intimidate people and steal sensitive documents, computers and other items that may implicate such corporations in financial fraudulent activity and be exposed in the courts. Until recently the courts have ignored our attempts to bring the banksters' corrupt action to light, but in the past month -- during October 2012, we have had a string of small but critical victories in the form of judgements against banks. These have now set a precedent for future judgments and with our own actions against the banksters together with many other people around SA and the world, we expect this to become an rapid exponential expose of their criminal activity against the good, honest, but mostly ignorant and gullible people of the world. www.ubuntuparty.org.za



Much love to us all!! :grouphug:

[ElusiveHippo]

Go kick some ass michael!

[ExomatrixTV]

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~sub: http://youtube.com/MichaelTellinger ~Tactical Media Network: http://whynotnews.eu/?p=1721 ~credits video: Michael Tellinger - http://ubuntuparty.org.za

Constitutional Court against 'Federal' Bank TheBigCase Michael Tellinger 7 May 2012 CNBC Africa: http://youtu.be/RAKsVvkiwds

Urgent Press Release:

Michael Tellinger -- founder of the Ubuntu Liberation Movement and the Ubuntu Political Party in South Africa. Organised professional hit squad attacked their legal adviser Raymondt Dicks, his son and a friend, in Johannesburg on 20 October 2012, and kept them hostage and tied up, face down on the floor for 3 hours at gunpoint, while going through all his legal files and evidence gathered in favor of exposing criminal activity by the banks. The only legal document missing were the files related to Tellinger's case, the Ubuntu Party and NewERA -- Scott Cundill's non-profit organization to help people against the abuse of banks. Michael reveals a sinister attempt by corporations that include the banksters who can only be defined as organized crime syndicates, that seem to use rogue groups within the SA Police Services as hit squads to take people hostage at gun point, intimidate people and steal sensitive documents, computers and other items that may implicate such corporations in financial fraudulent activity and be exposed in the courts. Until recently the courts have ignored our attempts to bring the banksters' corrupt action to light, but in the past month -- during October 2012, we have had a string of small but critical victories in the form of judgments against banks. These have now set a precedent for future judgments and with our own actions against the banksters together with many other people around SA and the world, we expect this to become an rapid exponential expose of their criminal activity against the good, honest, but mostly ignorant and gullible people of the world.

https://plus.google.com/117417892939002038909

http://ubuntuparty.org.za

RAKsVvkiwds

[Mark]

Michael is doing so much more than just exploring the archaeology of the region. He needs to be supported. This is great work based upon solid, Ubuntu, human-centered principles.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=18951&d=1351287274

[ExomatrixTV]

... spread the word fast make this video to go V I R A L fast ... this is to protect Michael Tellinger and his family!


cheers,
John

[TargeT]

so this isn't the Linux Unbuntu?

man, I need to get out more.....

[Kimberley]

Same story posted here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51337-Urgent-Press-Release-26-Oct-2012-from-Michael-Tellinger

[ThePythonicCow]

Same story posted here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51337-Urgent-Press-Release-26-Oct-2012-from-Michael-Tellinger



~sub: http://youtube.com/MichaelTellinger ~Tactical Media Network: http://whynotnews.eu/?p=1721 ~credits video: Michael Tellinger - http://ubuntuparty.org.za

I merged the two threads (not a perfect solution, but there seldom is a perfect solution.)

[gooty64]

Thanks for posting this very important news.
If you want to know something that is actually going on in your world, this is a must see 7 minute video!
:bump:

[ExomatrixTV]

!! HELP NEEDED !!

[new update: Free Live Stream Will Be Possible: http://globalbem.com/stream]

I, John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV' ( see http://whynotnews.eu/?p=1771 ) will be visiting http://globalbem.com/conference/speakers/ and stay for 3 days November 9, 10th & 11 2012 ... I have 1 spare bed in http://tulipinnhilversum.nl Hotel, if some one wants to join the conference at 9th (or 10th) AND has a car! :car:

In exchange for helping me with transport in Hilversum & being an assistant with me doing interviews (camera work etc.) am happy to make a trade!

If you have a car and live in the Netherlands and wanna go to this conference that I can arrange entrance for FREE +2 (or 1) night(s) sleeping at http://tulipinnhilversum.nl sharing my room (or you arrange separate room yourself but that you have to book & pay for yourself) in exchange you bring me from Hilversum to Zoetermeer at the last day 11th November 2012 + helping me I already described.

Please mail me :ranger: at info[AT]whynotnews.eu or send me a PM via http://youtube.com/EX0MATlXTV or PM me via:http://facebook.com/infopowerment (http://facebook.com/infopowerment) or Skype me: exomatrix (is my skype-nickname).

Cheers & thanks, John

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HON. PAUL HELLYER
Former Canadian Cabinet Minister



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MORAY B KING
Engineer, physicist and author


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STERLING ALLAN
Founder and CEO of the PES Network, Inc. and the New Energy Congress


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Dr Nick Begich
Independent researcher in science and politics, writer and lecturer


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DR Judy Wood
Former professor mechanical engineering


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Michael Tellinger
Author, scientist and explorer

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Dr Tom Valone (video)
President of Integrity Research Institute and Editor of Future Energy newsletter and Enews

~rest of the speakers:

http://globalbem.com/conference/speakers/

[new update: Live Stream Will Be Possible: http://globalbem.com/stream]

[Star Tsar]

What an opportunity!

[ExomatrixTV]

~'Global Breakthrough Energy Movement' GlobalBEM Conference Hilversum, Netherlands 9, 10th & 11th November 2012 (good news: video-live stream is possible!) http://whynotnews.eu/?p=1802

[Kimberley]

Looks like a great event! We will be looking forward to your interviews John.

It does not appears to me that the Stream : http://globalbem.com/stream is free. When I click on this link it is asking for 20 dollars.

However that is not much to be asking.

And I wonder why they did not invite M. T. Keshe?

Much love!

[sigma6]

Massive unmistakable footprint fossilized in Stone,
from thousands of years ago...
unbelievable proof of Giants walking this Earth...

dRuxw-nZoJw

[Calz]

Please, friends, please stop. Stop and think. As several have noted, this is granite, not a sedimentary rock that could have had a footprint. Speculating or believing that a 4-foot long 'footprint' shape or even a 1-foot long footprint could have been made in granite is not being open minded - it is embarrassingly naive. An 80 tonne dinosaur could not have left its footprint in granite either. Granite is only soft when it is magma - molten rock. In laboratory conditions, if you were able to liquefy the components of granite, and tried to press a pattern into the magma, the depression would re-fill with magma before it could cool and solidify.

This is either a hoax, carved and eroded, or what is commonly known in paleontology as a "pseudofossil" - something that simply looks like a fossil.

Seriously. Case closed. This is one of the silliest threads to appear on Avalon since I started visiting. We need to exercise some discernment or even the guys wearing tinfoil hats will poke fun at us.

(I hate to add to the length of this thread, but I want to pound a stake in its heart so it can finally die.)

Dennis

*smiles*

You are now my brother in what Dennis has suggested the *silliest* threads on Avalon ***EVER***.

Wow.

Whole lotta silly threads over the years ... but Dennis is a pretty sharp and perceptive guy ... :)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38174-Giant-Footprint-shown-by-Michael-Tellinger-in-South-Africa&highlight=tellinger

[ViralSpiral]

From your link Calz. Gwynn ap Gwilym's avatar pic:

http://media-cache-ec5.pinterest.com/upload/199706564695689151_OJz27bWM_c.jpg

:)

Michael Tellingers research on Adam's Calendar is worth inspecting. Big foot.... I'm not so convinced

[Cidersomerset]

I saw this article when Kerry went to south Africa to see Michael a couple of years ago.
The most compelling part for me was the 'mud splash' of the toes.But as Dennis said I
thought Granite to hard to leave fossils and they were found mainly in sedimentry rocks.

It does look rather to close to the human foot to be random, but if it was carved it would
be interresting to know why & and when?

This is an interresting Geo-Timescale chart I just found for ref...Mainstream of course ..LOl..

http://media-cache-ec5.pinterest.com/550/dc/b1/5d/dcb15d36b528f4440348de7e1ebb7b87.jpg

[andrewgreen]

There is also a similar footprint in Luang Prebang in Laos which is revered and has a temple complex built around it. The belief is that outside of this dimension Buddha's true size was of was of a giant. This belief is throughout the Bhuddhist and Hindu religion in respect to their gods so I think to discount something as being ridiculous on purely physical impossibilities is narrow minded. However Micheal Tellinger is quick to draw the assumption of Giants without considering why it wouldn't be.

[Conchis]

Well, we are taking the "guide's" word that the rock in granite. I live in a state with lots of granite and that's not the kind of granite that we have around here. From what I can see of the rock he's referencing it could very well be a sedimentary stone. Sure looks like something squished out from mud to me, but of course could also be a clever carving. (shrug)

[Lifebringer]

Maybe the reason they're not around anymore, is they caught a cold, not wearing shoes. LOL

Good morning Avalon. His shoemaker must have lost his business in a recession. Hahahaha.

[sigma6]

Yeah who says the have any proof that the rock is granite? Doesn't look like granite to me. And there are many evidences of giants...
Do you mean to say... this this another one of those "secrets" that no on Avalon has been aware of???? Sometimes I really wonder...
And yet we are to infer the other theory is that there is an ancient cult of hoaxers who have gone around the word and carved giant footprints into rock waiting for them to be discovered... and mistaken for real...??? LOL

And Calz whole logic and premise is on "how sharp" a guy Dennis is???... (nothing personal Dennis...you have my respect) ButDennis has made no claims to perfection...

Bottom line is other then hypy "my best friend is an expert and he says... " there is no hard and fast evidence to disprove anything, (what a surprise...) and anyone who has followed the research knows there have been numerous discoveries of bones large enough to suggest people from 8 to over 30 feet... so what's the big deal they found a foot print?

I assume nothing... You guys will have to do better then that...

[Ammit]

I have seen this video many times and really would love to believe it, but, for me it does not look right. I have seen many feet in my job and no one and I mean no one has ever had all 4 toes the same length.

Also, why on earth is there only one foot!!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

An 80 tonne dinosaur could not have left its footprint in granite either. Granite is only soft when it is magma - molten rock.

The next footprint would also contain a humongous blister ;). Or tippytoe tracks, see the brontosaurus saying.... hot, hot, hot, hot, hot,hot !

[sigma6]

aha... so it does look like we have an issue with lack of evidence... Well done...

and I was just going to say "what my friend said" (they're an expert you know!) lol

[Ammit]

OK, I have never seen that before:faint2:
That skeleton must be around 11 feet tall, and an ugly mother too.

[sigma6]

From Fred's link... and he's really smart you know!

http://projectavalon.net/giant-mound-builder.jpg

[sigma6]

Sure they're real... hahah!
The famous comparison chart... wow notice the little teeny 6 ft dude on the far left... that's us We'd be like a chewy juicy protein snack to the 36 foot dude...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BisAUOY9kFU/TS4z9axBWUI/AAAAAAAAACA/vSwVU3msvPA/s1600/GIANT-SKELETONS-CHART.jpg

More evidence to boot (excuse the pun)
So the "ancient global hoaxster society" may be just a myth after all! ':O

[sigma6]

Weeeee! this is fun!... look! ... I'm posting evidence!!!



12 FOOT GIANT HUMAN BONES FOUND

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[Kiforall]

Micheal Cremo has researched a lot of archeological finds that suggest we have been here millions of years having found human skeletons in coal seams 90 meters underground.Including 'coverups' about giants etc.

You Tube link to some interviews, some info here but it looks like you need to read the book for the good bits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRZL7tcLgX8

His book The Hidden History of The Human Race goes into his findings of a 'Major scientific coverup'

There is a link to a free ebook which I've yet to download.

http://www.ebook3000.com/politics/The-Hidden-History-of-the-Human-Race--Major-Scientific-Coverup-Exposed---Michael-A--Cremo--Richard-L--Thompson_125580.html

[sigma6]

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[Calz]

And Calz whole logic and premise is on "how sharp" a guy Dennis is???... (nothing personal Dennis...you have my respect) ButDennis has made no claims to perfection...



Ummm ... my whole logic ... for what was that again??? http://www.pic4ever.com/images/4fvgdaq_th.gif

I started the thread based on a "interviewee" of Bill and Kerry. I have read one of his books. Kerry made a trip down there. If you read through the whole thread there was nothing in "concrete" (or granite for that matter).

Dennis is a solid member here. I was in *no* way taking a "dig". Nor should you assume I agreed with his post. I found it amusing that the thread was labeled as it was ... so I simply was having a bit of fun when your thread showed up.

Nothing more ...

I think this forum has had quite enough drama for ahile ...


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[778 neighbour of some guy]

and calz whole logic and premise is on "how sharp" a guy dennis is???... (nothing personal dennis...you have my respect) butdennis has made no claims to perfection...



ummm ... My whole logic ... For what was that again??? http://www.pic4ever.com/images/4fvgdaq_th.gif

i started the thread based on a "interviewee" of bill and kerry. I have read one of his books. Kerry made a trip down there. If you read through the whole thread there was nothing in "concrete" (or granite for that matter).

Dennis is a solid member here. I was in *no* way taking a "dig". nor should you assume i agreed with his post. I found it amusing that the thread was labeled as it was ... So i simply was having a bit of fun when your thread showed up.

Nothing more ...

I think this forum has had quite enough drama for ahile ...


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howg!!!!!!

[Cidersomerset]

I have no problem believing Giants existed whether they were native to
earth or occasional visitors from elsewhere. The question is whether the
footprint in the rock is real , a carving or a natural outcrop ?Its Michael
Tellinger that says the rock is granite,I would have thought he would
have checked ? But it might be worth confirmation if any can find it.



Voronezh, Russia UFO Landing and Giant aliens September 27, 1989


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Uploaded on 3 Mar 2009


http://www.avimoas.com/
One of the most bizarre accounts of UFO folklore involves an incident that allegedly
occurred in Voronezh, Russia. This case was reported in the United States by the
St. Louis Dispatch. The story was originally published on October 11, 1989,
in America, but its origin was the Russian newspaper TASS.

The report recounts the adventures of several young children who claimed to have
seen a three-eyed alien with a robot escort. The alien was said to be about nine foot tall.
The craft, according to eye witness testimony, landed on the outskirts of the city.
Shortly thereafter, the tall alien appeared, and upon seeing the young lad, shot
a type of weapon at him, causing him to vanish before the eyes of the other people
around him.


http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case120.htm

The above vid is from this full video....

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Published on 21 Nov 2012


This unique special looks at the whole phenomenon of giants from the earliest
beginnings of civilization to the present.Also features interviews of Zecharia Sitchin,
author of The Cosmic Code which talks about the content of the Sumerian Tablets.
According to a scientist's experiment on fish in a biodome with double the atmospheric
pressure and a few other conditions, the fish grow to an unbelievable size which
is proof that Earth had the right conditions back then to support the idea of Giants ever existing.

[Cidersomerset]

Michael says it is deffinately granite in this recent vid...

Klaus Donner says a scientist examined it and says
it looks genuine.Michael brings up the subject of
the rock being granite.Klaus also says more research
needs to be done.

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Uploaded on 17 Jan 2012


Michael Tellinger and Klaus Dona visit the giant footprint in South Africa
on the 17th Jan 2012. They talk about the mystery of this footprint in
rough granite and debunk those who believe that it is a fake carved
footprint by pranksters. This amazing human-like footprint remains
one of the least known of the many great mysteries on Earth.
The being that left this footprint would have been about 7,5 metres
tall - this supports the findings of giant skeletons of about 7,5m that
Klaus Dona made in Ecuador.

[sigma6]

Please, friends, please stop. Stop and think. As several have noted, this is granite, not a sedimentary rock that could have had a footprint. Speculating or believing that a 4-foot long 'footprint' shape or even a 1-foot long footprint could have been made in granite is not being open minded - it is embarrassingly naive. An 80 tonne dinosaur could not have left its footprint in granite either. Granite is only soft when it is magma - molten rock. In laboratory conditions, if you were able to liquefy the components of granite, and tried to press a pattern into the magma, the depression would re-fill with magma before it could cool and solidify.

This is either a hoax, carved and eroded, or what is commonly known in paleontology as a "pseudofossil" - something that simply looks like a fossil.

Seriously. Case closed. This is one of the silliest threads to appear on Avalon since I started visiting. We need to exercise some discernment or even the guys wearing tinfoil hats will poke fun at us.

(I hate to add to the length of this thread, but I want to pound a stake in its heart so it can finally die.)

Dennis

*smiles*

You are now my brother in what Dennis has suggested the *silliest* threads on Avalon ***EVER***.

Wow.

Whole lotta silly threads over the years ... but Dennis is a pretty sharp and perceptive guy ... :)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38174-Giant-Footprint-shown-by-Michael-Tellinger-in-South-Africa&highlight=tellinger


Well, well... I would like to see someone get all 'scientifically' high and mighty now, and take a cheap shot at Klaus Dona...

(just for fun of course...) Funny Cider I just came across the Klaus video and came back to report on it... should have checked in earlier, better late then never. But I was too disgusted/dismayed/ by earlier pseudo scientific declarations. What I can't believe is how one person's intuition can be so "in one direction" while to my logic/intution it was instantly viable. Not necessarily certain, but clear to me it had real potential, as I usually have a sense when something is "untoward". Anyhow, I never quite get over that... find it kind of odd... So there you have it, I am pleased to say I have some company in the great Klaus Dona. I think that is fantastic that he has weighed in. Time to scrape some egg off some faces I would say ... hehe :o

I am sure I will be making a few new 'fans' with this one.... LOL

[Observer1964]

Michael did a presentation at the Global Breakthrough Energy Movement (BEM) conference in 2012. In this session, he describes free energy system from ancient civilisations, and finishes off with his model for a society based on contributionism, or UBUNTU.
http://www.ubuntuparty.org.za/p/home.html

http://www.youtube.com/user/Michaeltellinger

While this may seem like a long video, it is a wonderful synopsis and you will be grateful for Michael Tellinger’s efforts,
Cheers

NiVROBhwHUM

[grannyfranny100]

Observer1964, I totally agree this is two hours well spent. Michael Tellinger is an amazing fellow. Without big gobs of money behind him, he keeps advancing against all odds with his archeological discoveries and their meanings for today.

[OMG]

The main focus of the video is as follows:

Our Inalienable Rights:
The earth and all in and around it...
(Nothing in it or around it belongs to any person, religion, special interest group, government or corporation)

Life Philosophy:
If it's not good for everyone...it's no good at all.

What do people NEED?

LOVE & friendship
Water
Food
Home
Gardens
Clothes
Safe science and healthcare
Arts and Culture
Our imagination and the FREEDOM to explore without boundaries


Contributionism:

No money
No barter
No trade
No value attached
Everyone contributes for the greater benefit of themselves and all in the community
Not a utopia
Natural order of things


Note: If there is any form of bartering then the potential exist that a person is set apart as having greater value over another. ALL people must be seen as EQUAL in value, albeit different. Delusional expectations and inflated or misguided self worth will diminish as love increases and fear diminishes.

[genevieve]

BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thank you so much for sharing this, Observer1964!


Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve

[Corncrake]

Thanks for posting this - what a great start to the day! Used to follow Michael Tellinger quite closely in his early days of Slave Species and Adam's Calendar but as I got more busy he dropped off the radar so I am really pleased to have seen this and caught up on all that he has been doing. His attitude towards 'free energy' reminds me of Wade Frazier's - that the only way we will move forward in this direction is if it is really for free. Awful intimidation he is experiencing from the banks too. Brave man.

[GreenGuy]

This rock proves two things:

A. Something can resemble something else.
B. People can be awfully gullible.

I can show you a naturally weathered boulder that looks a lot like and ancient sphinx - but it isn't. I can also show you a naturally weathered boulder with a perfect outline of Mickey Mouse's head. But I can assure you, it is not a prehistoric Disney character. Rocks can weather strangely. If that was a footprint, the human who made it would have been about 30 feet tall.

[MorningFox]

Thought I'd bump this thread with the most amazing talk from Michael Tellinger. He initially talks about the annunaki and their presence on earth, ancient south african structures and harmonic resonance technology. He then explains how money is the key element that is keeping us in chains and then goes on to outline a model for a moneyless society. There is within this information a working, inspirational model for us to break free.

It truly is a brilliant two hours and I urge you all to watch it and pass it on.

NiVROBhwHUM

[MorningFox]

I wonder if there is this video with just the message about the banks and the moneyless society? Or a different version with just that? I feel that starting with the annunaki and ancient technology will no doubt instantly put certain people off (the conditioned) and not allow them to see the most important bit which I'm sure even they could appreciate...

The title 'annunaki and ancient technology' will stop a lot of people watching it but if it was called something like 'how the banks keep us in chains and a system to break free' it might generate a lot more views.

[lunaflare]

Yes, I agree Morning Fox
I don't jive with the Annunaki story based on Sitchen's model of genetic testing and creating a slave race to mine gold. Granted, I have not been to the stone circles/site in South Africa that Michael speaks. I am simply not sure of the Enki/Enlil myth as a "true" account of this planet's history.

I do like the idea of a money-less society and contributionism. This is visionary for this time, for sure.
Why does M.T and his Contributionism Party, have to run for President of South Africa, however?

[MorningFox]

He does explain that the last thing on his mind is actually becoming president. He wanted to set up a political party as a foundation for credibility, running for president is just an irrelevant byproduct of that. He said if the million to one chance of him becoming president actually came true, the first thing he would do is completely dissolve the government and laws and pass power back to the people.

Why not!

[Joanne Shepard]

I believe it is 100% real. I also think it is one of the coolest discoveries ever found :)

[GreenGuy]

I live in a state with lots of granite and that's not the kind of granite that we have around here.


Doesn't look like granite to me.

It looks exactly like the kind of soft granite that makes up the hills of southern California. I have dozens and dozens of photos I took of boulders and smaller formations that look like alien carvings, dinosaurs, sphynxes, sculptures of the madonna, an eagle in flight, and even a perfect outline - and I mean perfect - of Mickey Mouse. So it would take a huge amount of corroborating evidence for me to believe the outline of a massive human foot is anything but a really cool caprice of nature.

[Melinda]

A fun 50 minutes with Michael Tellinger

Raw Footage: Michael Tellinger

Video Published by The People’s Voice on youtube, May 8, 2014


Michael discusses a world without money, a world of ‘free energy’ and harmonious abundance.

His thoughts and ideas, and characteristic enthusiasm, regarding what the true potential of human nature is - when it isn’t held back by artificial structures and negative impositions.

I enjoyed a great deal of what he had to say :)


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Here are some quotes from the video, where Tellinger addresses the pervasive influence of money, and the need for a gradual transitional shift to community thinking, to create a new world founded on higher consciousness.

He points out during the interview that it doesn't have to be about abandoning our homes, or our jobs, in a drastic or sudden change of lifestyle (unless that appeals), but more about contributing more and more, bit by bit, to the kind of world we want to see.

It’s been said many ways, by many people, from many places – but here it is in Michael’s words...



“If money was introduced as a tool of enslavement, then clearly money is not part of human evolution. It’s enforced on humanity. And I started imagining a world without money, which is not easy ’cause we are so poisoned – our minds are so poisoned and controlled by everything around us. Money has infiltrated every crack and crevice of our ‘beingness’ and our humanness. So much so that most people cannot imagine a world without money. That’s how poisoned our minds become.”


“...when you start that process you realise how completely and utterly controlled by money we have become. It is spectacular how it controls every crack and crevice in our society, in our being, in our interaction with each other. Everything we do from the moment we wake up, to the moment we go to sleep, and even while we sleep, it controls our lives. So – to get that first Ubuntu community off the ground is going to be the most difficult thing. It doesn’t mean it’s impossible, and it doesn’t mean it’s going to take a long time. It means that we just have to start the process – and we have started that process. We’ve taken the first step...”


“The system of contributionism is very similar to the ancient African philosophy of Ubuntu, and this is why I’ve now started calling it Ubuntu contributionism. Taking the ancient knowledge and wisdom of the ancient civilisations, and merging it with a new way of thinking about our life today. ’Cause we can’t go back thousands of years, and live lives like they did thousands of years ago. We have a reality that faces us every day. So how do we learn from the ancients and merge it with our new approach towards understanding how we can transform the crazy and insane and depressed world that humanity finds itself in today – how do we merge that, or transform it into this beautiful utopian world where money does not exist and people share everything, with everyone, for the greatest benefit of all.”


“...Everybody throws in 3 hours or 5 hours a week towards one of these community projects, and that creates huge abundance on a level that’s never been seen by that community before. Now – the question is how do you convince people to do that. And therein lies the rub. Therein lies the magical wave of the wand that will bring us to the point of people deciding ‘Yes I’m gonna do this’ or ‘no I’m not interested in this...’ and the foundation of that is free energy...”


“Human nature can best be described as ‘being creators.’ That’s what children want to do. Children want to create. They want to scream, shout, draw, run. They want to create. And guess what we do to them. Guess what society has done. We stop that, we stop their creativity, we trim it down, put them in a box, send them off to school. 12 years later they come out – programmed machines – to go into the sausage machine of getting a job, getting a certificate at university, so they can get a job with a piece of paper that does what? That pays them money. So you realise how this money trap has been totally woven into the fabric of breaking down human nature and turning it into something that we then define – from a complete position of misunderstanding – we define human nature as being lazy. No. It is completely the opposite.

Human nature – the primary human desire – is to create. After all, we are aspects of the divine creation. And we resonate with the prime resonance frequency of the whole unified creative source. If we weren’t resonating with the prime resonance frequency of the divine creative source we would die instantly. And I think that’s where Gene Roddenberry got his Prime Directive from, by the way... ...The whole Prime Directive in Star Trek I believe is based on the whole universal prime resonance frequency.

Everything, creation, has to vibrate in coherent harmonic resonance. If it does not vibrate in harmonic resonance, it is in dissonance and it will dissipate. It will die. It will be destroyed. So anyone and anything that flies in the face of the prime directive, or the prime resonance frequency, of the unified creative source, or the primary source-field of ‘all things god’ – if you go against god you begin your own destruction and your own demise. And this is why I believe this is a much bigger debate. And Ubuntu and contributionism... ...is the spearhead of imposing the resonance with harmony and all of creation, so that we can live in absolute harmony with our planet, harmony with our fellow human beings, and breaking down those structures that have been forcing us to live in dissonance with everything in creation.”

[Kimberley]

This is excellent!!! Glad it got posted!

Congratulations!

[1stTwin50]

Thank you so much for your post. This explanation seems to be the only reasonable truth, and it mirrors the Wingmakers/Lyricus teachings which I have been reading for fifteen years. I look forward to reading his books.

[Melinda]

This is excellent!!! Glad it got posted!

Congratulations!


Thank you so much for your post. This explanation seems to be the only reasonable truth, and it mirrors the Wingmakers/Lyricus teachings which I have been reading for fifteen years. I look forward to reading his books.


Glad you both enjoyed it - and welcome to Avalon 1stTwin50 :)


I think a lot of what Michael says in the video resonates with what a lot of others are saying, in growing numbers, around the world.

More individuals, with their own unique spin, dreaming up ways of living sovereign lives, in harmony with one another and the environment.

Even if we don’t subscribe to all the facets of a particular movement, like Ubuntuism or Lyricus teachings, we can see the beauty in what the different writings have in common – with the aim to lift ourselves out of darkness and into a collective consciousness based on decency and abundance.

All the different writers and speakers are there to trigger something inside of us that knows a better world is in the making.


I really enjoy Tellinger’s enthusiasm. He has an abundance of it.

:biggrin:

[Domo67]

He explains things so well and with a good vibe, thanks for posting very much enjoyed listening to this and his take on communities makes a lot of sense.

I really think this guy is on the 'money' with his interpretation of things.

[Melinda]

He explains things so well and with a good vibe, thanks for posting very much enjoyed listening to this and his take on communities makes a lot of sense.

I really think this guy is on the 'money' with his interpretation of things.

Hello Domo67, and welcome to Avalon :)

Thanks to your post I discovered this thread you started that also discusses the Ubuntu movement, and Tellinger.

I’ve copied some links so people can check it out.

Some lovely posts there from yourself and other members who’ve shared their thoughts. Especially Delight > I often enjoy Maggie’s posts...


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70687-Is-this-the-future&p=825106&viewfull=1#post825106


“My present understanding of reality is that there is a teleology of intention that is for a blossoming of knowing we are one, being true to difference and celebrating variety.”


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70687-Is-this-the-future&p=825121&viewfull=1#post825121


"...I see people who fear the future then cannot embrace the GOOD. For instance, why would I want to go to an "intentional community?" If I am afraid that I must create a "safe" place against the hordes, that vibration is embedded in the community. It will make the people fearful in its very intention.

So I think I would appreciate people in a community who "Just because" it is freeing to share, beautiful to grow...”

That second point is well made, about the potential challenge of how to break away effectively – but it's one that can be overcome :)



Here’s another Tellinger presentation, from the 2013 Global BEM conference, replete with his abundance of energy and good humour. He covers some interesting ground in his search...

Michael Tellinger : Ancient civilizations and free energy :

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[mosquito]

Thank you for posting this Melinda, I watched it the other day and found it truly inspirational.

[Melinda]

Thank you for posting this Melinda, I watched it the other day and found it truly inspirational.

:)

You're welcome mariposafe.



Another fun segment from Tellinger, a short one, for anyone curious about his areas of interest.

In this one he addresses the idea that monuments such as Stonehenge are far older than officially reported. He shares his deduction that the erosion itself, in some of the stones at Stonehenge, is possibly hundreds of thousands of years older than official estimates. He also mentions how the stones have unique acoustic properties, and highlights the visual similarity between the structure of the monument and the structure of some progressive energy devices.

As an offshoot - also mentioned is the mystery of Coral Castle, which could make an interesting research topic for anyone who hasn’t heard of it:


“Since it is documented that no one ever witnessed Ed’s labor in building his beloved Coral Castle, some have said he had supernatural powers. Ed would only say that he knew the secrets used to build the ancient pyramids and if he could learn them, you could too.”

source : http://coralcastle.com/

I’m not a geologist, or a builder, or an archaeologist – but I like to keep an open mind. Perhaps ancient monuments were built using sound-based technology, psychic phenomena, or just highly efficient systems / methods that utilised simple materials. With researchers continually updating their findings relating to ancient monuments, questions continue to abound.

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[Domo67]

Like you Melinda I'm no expert on physics archaeology or geology but their is so much evidence now pointing towards free energy waiting in the wings for us to make use of, but we are the ones who have to take back our sovereign power, this is happening slowly thanks to people like Micheal Tellinger, but ain't it a slow process. Loved the 15 minute presentation put a smile on my face, thanks for the welcome :-)

Domo.

[Camilo]

This sounds promissing:

Scott Cundill is building a business solution that is completely off-the-grid. In other words, you will not register a company with any government. You will not have an ordinary bank account and you will certainly not pay any bank charges or tax. You will trade with alternative currencies without no connection with "the powers that be" at all.

http://www.newera.org.za/the-future-of-money-and-business-part-1/

Here is an article that Scott wrote called "The Future of Money and Business - Part 1." Here is a quote:

"So, now that we know the truth about money, here is the solution to all our money problems... and it's coming very soon to an Internet near you:

To open a business, simply go online and set it up. Your company will trade both online and offline, but there will be no registration fees and no annoying documents to sign. There are no ID papers to submit and since there is no registration with the government, that means... no tax, ever!

Then, open an account with one of the many decentralised peer-to-peer alternative currency exchanges that will become available. These won't be connected to any bank which means that you can transact anywhere in the world without using dollars, euros or yen. Instead, you will trade with alternative currencies. Naturally, there will be no bank charges, no transaction fees and certainly no interest. There will be no weird legal documents to prove your name, address and identity. Criminals will be stopped in their tracks not by a police force, but by peer-to-peer reputation - too many complaints will see a business being blacklisted and nobody will trade with them. This self-management technique is already used widely across the web and... it works."

Michael Tellinger

[AriG]

Does sound promising! Looking forward to a day when something like this is announced:

The world without money. How do you achieve this? Simply go about your life as you always have. Keep going to work (at least for now) and keep the routines that you have (for now). Stop paying your bills- your debts have vanished. If you need a thing.... go to its "getting place" and get it. Leave with it. Exchange no currency. Be responsible and realize that in order for this to work, we must first remain stable in our routines and responsibilities so that human need is met without interruption. Make every effort to not splurge. Take what you need. Take what you normally would if we were still exchanging useless bits of paper. Be your own control system. When you understand that anything is available to you at any time, you will start to be more selective in your wants and needs. Experience, learning and contribution will be your priority. Availability of goods and services will streamline. Not everyone wants a big house or garish things. Some will, but will come to realize the pointless trappings and will release them. Over time, you will have what you can sustain without exploitation of resources or your fellow humans. Over time, each individual will do the work that pleases them. And yes, some people do enjoy physical labor as much as others enjoy operating on brains. We are all unique and our world will flourish organically through cooperation. Gone will be the days of our disposable clutter. Crime will be a thing of the past. There will be nothing over which to fight. War will be eradicated. No child will go hungry. Disease will be eradicated. Those elites who hoarded in the past will have no incentive to hoard and will be saved from their cycle of pointless and non growth incarnation. Their fear will vanish. Welcome to the world without money. Welcome to civilization.

[aheb]

I have been wondering about "Bitcoin" as a currencey it sounds great , but as a preserver of wealth or as actual money I am not so sure. With anything like this you would need a little technical knowledge, or maybe even a lot of technical knowledge and there is no way of knowing if the banks, governments, authorities or criminals are already ahead of you in that respect.

[mosquito]

Thanks for posting, it sounds great and I fully endorse it ! My only question/concern is that the way things currently stand, it would only be applicable to internet based "businesses" until such time that we can use alternative currencies to buy groceries, flour, nails, wood, medicines and all the other little things that we will probably still need when off-grid. And web hosting of course !

I'm impressed by Michael Tellinger, he has some brilliant ideas and is very forward thinking and creative.

[GuyFox]

Tellinger...

Does anyone else have the feeling that his Ubuntu ideas are like a Bubble that needs popping?

Before doing so, I just want to put the idea out there, to get a reaction...

[GuyFox]

Michael Tellinger : "We don't Need Money!"

Telllinger's UBuntu Contributionism: May I politely disagree !

Modern Knowledge Tour 2014 with Michael Tellinger, Linda Mouton Howe, Richard Dolan ThatChannel.com

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( Michael Tellinger's section starts at 1:15 Hours )

The male interviewer takes him straight To THE POINT:
"It sounds a lot like Marxism: to each according to their needs, from each
according to their abilities"; and that hasn't worked out very well.
MT responds:
+ The Rothschild bankers hijacked it
(Give me a break, Michael! human nature hijacked it!)
+ I never studied Marxism, this came from me, with divine intervention
+ Read my book, I explain it there (chnace being missed)

MT: "We don't need money"
Interviewer: "It's food, we need money for food."
MT: "As high conscious beings, we will not need food."
(What? Well then maybe we should wait...)

[Rollo]

We don't need current money. Made out of tin air, corrupted, influenced by politics, speculation and with a lot of blood on them. Money without a real value behind are not going to work.
What we need is money that hold real value. Value that comes from our time, energy, sweat, creativity and thoughts put in to.

Recently Polish government is telling the people that better is to borrow from international banks than issue the money by national bank.

I have a client who insist on paying me in dollars. I don't want them.
It is hard for him to understand that dollars are not that strong anymore.
Any other fiat currency will suffer sooner or later.

We can do better than this.

[GuyFox]

That's a different point, Rollo.

I disagree with Michael T. - unlike him, I do think we NEED money*.
But I agree with him and you too, that the present mode of creating currency through a cabal-control Central bank is NOT a good idea. That is for many reasons that we could discuss - but mainly because it surrenders too much power to Central Bankers (and their puppet Masters) who will then exploit that financial power to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else.

*Why do we NEED Money?

For the simple reason that all exchanges cannot be voluntary, and based upon the charitable good will of he/she who is creating a good or service you may desire.

Think about it...
+ If you are a farmer, and
+ I am a carpenter

At the time when I am hungry (and need the food you grow), you may have little need for my services as a carpenter. So you may prefer something from me, which is not carpentry. If I give you Money, it represents a store of wealth - and you may spend the money I give you on something other that carpentry. So the farmer may buy seeds or fertilizer. And the guy who sells the seeds may want a massage. And the masseuse may want me to build him/her some shelves. Money benefits everyone, because it allows these free and voluntary exchanges to take place at a later time. And they are fully voluntary, not imposed by some dictator running an Ubuntu Village, and assigning out tasks ahead of time.

Michael T's inability to even DISCUSS simple cases like this, makes me think he is hiding his real motivations. Perhaps he is seekers readers for his book, and political power, rather than trying to communicate a powerful new concept that everyone can benefit from.

[aheb]

I agree that we need money, but the money we have is not a " store of wealth". Now that could be because it is actually fiat currencey rather than money. I think our concept of what money is may very well change. There are some like me who are a bit traditional and look for things of value in themselves, such as precious metals.
I'm not sure that I even agree with Armstrong but he does raise some interesting points
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/06/21/electronic-money-starting-in-london/
Electronic money would be what our Masters desire the most, so we can be easily taxed and controlled....he also talks about "Google wallet" which he believes will usurp Bitcoin. I am not sure, but what I do believe is that technology is ready to take a huge leap again, and the next 20 years will make the last 20 look primitive by comparison. I don't know how we can survive as soverign individuals, I think a good grasp of modern technology is a start.

[72MAV27]

The problem with money is that it sets up the environment for jealousy. And jealousy turns into all kinds of other negative emotions. And those emotions end up getting the planet into the mess it's in right now. IMO money could only truly work if everyone had an equal amount.

I have a friend that has an opinion that we could do away with money. He thinks that right now technology has advanced to the point where most "jobs" could be done mechanically or robotically. This would leave each person with time to focus on what they have a true passion for. And when someone is doing their true passion they would gladly give it away for free simply because they love doing it in the first place. Also with all the free time without having to work all day humanity could spend time focusing on the real aspects of reality and better the planet

[GuyFox]

I agree that we need money, but the money we have is not a " store of wealth". Now that could be because it is actually fiat currencey rather than money. I think our concept of what money is may very well change. There are some like me who are a bit traditional and look for things of value in themselves, such as precious metals.
I'm not sure that I even agree with Armstrong but he does raise some interesting points
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/06/21/electronic-money-starting-in-london/
Electronic money would be what our Masters desire the most, so we can be easily taxed and controlled....he also talks about "Google wallet" which he believes will usurp Bitcoin. I am not sure, but what I do believe is that technology is ready to take a huge leap again, and the next 20 years will make the last 20 look primitive by comparison. I don't know how we can survive as soverign individuals, I think a good grasp of modern technology is a start.

I dunno, aheb.
I think our currency works reasonably well (now) as a store of value. If real inflation is now 4-5% a year, that's not much to lose over a few weeks or months.

The problem arises when you want to save for future retirement, or the fiat currency where you are holding your savings begins to lose value rapidly through a sudden lose of confidence.

Will this happen, as Martin Armstrong and others believe it will? Probably - which is why I prefer keeping my own savings in Gold rather than US dollars. But to be honest, over the last three years, Fiat Federal Reserve notes have been a better store of value than Gold.

So, yes, i understand those arguments.

I had hoped to make clear that I was talking about something else, the FLEXIBILITY provided by currency when it is used as a Medium of exchange. If there is no money at all (as Tellinger says is desirable) then how does one gain access to the flexibility provide by free markets? If I understand Tellinger, he is against both money and markets. (Please correct me, if I am wrong.) Without markets, you are left with simple barter, and exchanging favors. These are of very limited use in a sophisticated economy.

I think that Dominic Frisby understands Money far better than MT. And that comes across in this interview about his recent book:

http://commoditywatch.podbean.com/mf/web/3hps5/BookCover.jpg

MP3 (http://commoditywatch.podbean.com/mf/web/4f6fkx/mhinterviewsdf.mp3) : http://commoditywatch.podbean.com/mf/web/4f6fkx/mhinterviewsdf.mp3

Do you know what might be interesting? A debate between Mr Tellinger and Mr Frisby on the virtues of Money. I doubt he would consider it, but if he did, MT might tighten up and improve his ideas considerably. As it stands, I like the local economy notion that MT is calling for, but I think his community might be like a dictatorship when it comes to assigning jobs and limiting people's flexibility in making purchases.

[TODD & NORA]

..........

[GuyFox]

The problem with money is that it sets up the environment for jealousy. And jealousy turns into all kinds of other negative emotions. And those emotions end up getting the planet into the mess it's in right now. IMO money could only truly work if everyone had an equal amount.

I have a friend that has an opinion that we could do away with money. He thinks that right now technology has advanced to the point where most "jobs" could be done mechanically or robotically...

Hmm.
Do you really think it is MONEY that causes jealousy?

I think it is inequality. I think Michael Tellinger isn't telling you, is that he really wants to do away with inequality. And he plans to do that, by allowing no one to own assets privately. All property would be owned by the State in his ideal world (I believe.) And, to be honest, that worries me greatly.

No: all jobs cannot yet be done by robots. Think about child care, health care, and even just washing the dishes. Many aspects of these jobs require human involvement.


I do think that a better place to focus is on change the economy to eliminate Rent-Seeking behavior - and I will not (yet) try to explain what I mean by that. Instead, I shall just post a definition:

RENT SEEKING :
In economics (see public choice theory), rent-seeking is spending wealth on political lobbying to increase one's share of existing wealth without creating wealth. The effects of rent-seeking are reduced economic efficiency through poor allocation of resources, reduced wealth creation, lost government revenue, increased income inequality,[1] and national decline.

Current studies of rent-seeking focus on the manipulation of regulatory agencies to gain monopolistic advantages in the market while imposing disadvantages on competitors. The term itself derives, however, from the far older practice of gaining a portion of production through ownership or control of land.
==
> wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking

[aheb]

Yes I understand what you mean about money. It is a huge step forward from barter, and if we did go back to barter I think people would quickly realise that money is far better. As to gold, well it has never been considered an investment, because it pays no dividend...but if we look at the banks now, they pay no dividend and also there is the risk of bail ins, so in that sense gold or silver, or anything of intrinsic worth is better than the money that we have now in the bank. I think you have to look at gold and silver over the long term and by that I mean 5 years and up. I listened to an interview with Grant Williams and he made what I think is a very valid point. We have seen huge inflation in high end real estate and works of art etc, so when people realise that there is inflation about and the banks are not safe we may well see those kind of astronomical rises in precious metals.

[spiritguide]

Natures money is gifting among itself for mutual accommodation. We are part of nature, shouldn't we act as part of it instead of trying to live apart from it.

[GuyFox]

"As to gold, well it has never been considered an investment, because it pays no dividend..."

Gold is the oldest money. And so I think that idea was something that people may have had for only a few decades. I will go with Gold's record over hundreds and thousands of years, considering it as Real money - while the value of Fiat is just a matter of opinion.

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Natures money is gifting among itself for mutual accommodation. We are part of nature, shouldn't we act as part of it instead of trying to live apart from it.

Thanks, but I am not really sure what you mean by that.

Can you explain how this might work in my little example please?
Which was:
+ If you are a farmer, and
+ I am a carpenter
At the time when I am hungry (and need the food you grow), you may have little need for my services as a carpenter. So you may prefer something from me, which is not carpentry. If I give you Money, it represents a store of wealth - and you may spend the money I give you on something other that carpentry. So the farmer may buy seeds or fertilizer. And the guy who sells the seeds may want a massage. And the masseuse may want me to build him/her some shelves.

[apokalypse]

money is illusion so why we focusing on it anyway? any value based system will not work, money still exist but we should focus on quality of life not the economic numbers...get rid of money might take 100 years with current human nature.

mainstream wise, we in different times now at digital age with technology so going back or anything to do in -90's 80's or before that is damn wrong.

one thing i don't get why we need to have ownership of land or progression of the stuff or thing? we live and die so make sense that the public is the owner not individuals, you can use it for life and once you die give it back to the public. Damn frustrated me with these billionaire "donate" their wealth to charities.

one of the first thing i do is fixing the nature of human working towards spiritual beings and at same time have a system to support that..many of you know both come in hand...how we do it? how about create a thread for that?

[spiritguide]

"As to gold, well it has never been considered an investment, because it pays no dividend..."

Gold is the oldest money. And so I think that idea was something that people may have had for only a few decades. I will go with Gold's record over hundreds and thousands of years, considering it as Real money - while the value of Fiat is just a matter of opinion.

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Natures money is gifting among itself for mutual accommodation. We are part of nature, shouldn't we act as part of it instead of trying to live apart from it.

Thanks, but I am not really sure what you mean by that.

Can you explain how this might work in my little example please?
Which was:
+ If you are a farmer, and
+ I am a carpenter
At the time when I am hungry (and need the food you grow), you may have little need for my services as a carpenter. So you may prefer something from me, which is not carpentry. If I give you Money, it represents a store of wealth - and you may spend the money I give you on something other that carpentry. So the farmer may buy seeds or fertilizer. And the guy who sells the seeds may want a massage. And the masseuse may want me to build him/her some shelves.

You need to wrap your mind around gifting as apposed to trading. One deals with needs the other with wants (ego).

[GuyFox]

I understand what Gifting is.
Have you heard of Charles Eisenstein (Sacred Economics) ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4LsktuiaOU

History shows: Gifting works inside a family, or a very small or primitive community (perhaps), but not a large and complex economy such as we have now.

But I am not sure that you truly understand the power and value of Money.
I strongly recommend you listen to the interview with Dominic Frisby

Michael Tellinger should too IMHO.
His party did not do well in the South African election - Do you know why? I have my own guess.

[GuyFox]

money is illusion so why we focusing on it anyway? any value based system will not work, money still exist but we should focus on quality of life not the economic numbers...get rid of money might take 100 years with current human nature.

mainstream wise, we in different times now at digital age with technology so going back or anything to do in -90's 80's or before that is damn wrong.

one thing i don't get why we need to have ownership of land or progression of the stuff or thing? we live and die so make sense that the public is the owner not individuals, you can use it for life and once you die give it back to the public. Damn frustrated me with these billionaire "donate" their wealth to charities.

one of the first thing i do is fixing the nature of human working towards spiritual beings and at same time have a system to support that..many of you know both come in hand...how we do it? how about create a thread for that?

I think you might read a bit more carefully what I have written, and take a look at topics like Usury, and Rent-seeking behavior.
If these can be minimized, we can have a less toxic economy, where wealth and power does not get concentrated in a banker class.
And we can still retain some private ownership of property, Free choice and Free markets.

Some of the best thinking along these lines has been done by a guy called Henry George, and here is a little bit about him:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Henry_George.jpg/220px-Henry_George.jpg

Henry George (September 2, 1839 – October 29, 1897) was an American writer, politician and political economist, who was the most influential proponent of the land value tax, also known as the "single tax" on land. He inspired the economic philosophy known as Georgism, whose main tenet is that people should own what they create, but that everything found in nature, most importantly the value of land, belongs equally to all humanity. His most famous work, Progress and Poverty (1879), is a treatise on inequality, the cyclic nature of industrialized economies, and the use of the land value tax as a remedy.

> wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_George

Michael Tellinger say that he "did not study the work of Karl Marx" when he sat down to write his book. Instead, he was "divinely inspired" (haha.) I think he needs to do plenty more study of economics. I have an honors degree in Psychology and Economics from probably the top university in the world - and I can see so many holes in MT's thinking, that it reminds me of swiss cheese. If he wants to create a successful party based around his concepts he will need to tighten them up, unless he intends to rely on "magical thinking."

[ceetee9]

*Why do we NEED Money?

For the simple reason that all exchanges cannot be voluntary, and based upon the charitable good will of he/she who is creating a good or service you may desire.

Think about it...
+ If you are a farmer, and
+ I am a carpenter

At the time when I am hungry (and need the food you grow), you may have little need for my services as a carpenter. So you may prefer something from me, which is not carpentry. If I give you Money, it represents a store of wealth - and you may spend the money I give you on something other that carpentry. So the farmer may buy seeds or fertilizer. And the guy who sells the seeds may want a massage. And the masseuse may want me to build him/her some shelves. Money benefits everyone, because it allows these free and voluntary exchanges to take place at a later time. And they are fully voluntary, not imposed by some dictator running an Ubuntu Village, and assigning out tasks ahead of time.
Guy, I think the problem with your argument is that the Contributionist society isn't based upon the charitable giving of a good or service per se, if I understand Tellinger correctly, but upon a work-based, free society. Essentially, everyone continues doing what they do (farmer, carpenter, scientist, doctor, etc.) and everyone just takes what they need when they need it--no money is exchanged. Consequently, there is no need to "store" an exchange vehicle (e.g., money) or worry about how you're going to get food if the farmer isn't in need of your carpentry services. There is no power hungry, control-freak elite to siphon-off the majority of the wealth and dole out what crumbs they feel appropriate to keep their flock working in their factories and corporations. This paradigm truly does level the playing field and bring equality for all.

The problem, as I see it, however, is that humanity isn't really interested in equality for all. If it was we wouldn't be fighting and killing each other for power and control and clinging to the notion that we earned our money while all those billions of poor people didn't. Those of us who were lucky enough to be born to a decent family that had some money, and in a country that provided some opportunities to get an education and/or to better oneself, seem to forget that the majority of the people on this planet had no such luck or opportunity. So are those people not worthy of having food to eat, a decent home to live in, a job to contribute to society, decent medical care, etc?

I don't believe the Ubuntu society is about assigning tasks by some dictator either, but I have not read Tellinger's book so perhaps that is his idea. I thought his approach was a very minimal government that does not own anything and does not dictate but is more of an advisory group that recommends where and how resources should be allocated so, for example, we're not producing a surplus of cell phones and not enough food. Of course, the people may disregard the recommendations at their peril. This is an important distinction that sets it apart from Marxism and Communism. There are no classes and no controlling group that is above the masses.

Having said that, I did write Michael Tellinger some years ago with many questions I had about his Contributionist society. He did respond, but, unfortunately, referred me to his upcoming book for the answers. This was very off-putting and made me question his true intent as well.

Regardless, there are many questions that need to be answered and perhaps some (or all--which I doubt) have been answered in his book, but I think the concept of a Contributionist society has merit and could work. That is, provided people started caring more about each other and the planet than they do about themselves.

[wnlight]

My productivity was in creating computer software that would not be needed in the utopian societies discussed herein. Because without money, nobody would produce PCs. Nobody makes PCs from 'scratch'. They buy parts from all over the world and assemble the PCs. Then most PC makers do not have their own stores, so they must sell their product to stores. I suppose that the store could also have bread and wine on its shelves to trade with the the PC company which, in turn, could pay its employees with bread and wine. Then the employee could take his/her extra bread and wine back to the store to trade for baby food and shoes. There would be a great need for shoes with everyone walking around trading extra produce for goods they need. Perhaps wheelbarrows would be more popular too.

BTW, much of my software supported energy companies that would also be out of business because they cannot put their electricity on the shell and wait for you to come in with your extra bread and wine to trade. Unused electricity spoils a lot faster than uneaten bread. Some of you might be happy to see the energy companies go under. I really do understand. But you might wait a long time before TPTB release the specs for home-made, working cold fusion.

If none wanted my software for non-existent PCs,then I would have to find something else to do. I can teach mathematics. Does anyone out there need a crash course in regression analysis or in topological methods in non-linear analysis? I work for bread and wine. LOL

What I am trying to say is that we still need money. Any money that you don't need can be sent to me in Ecuador.

[ceetee9]

My productivity was in creating computer software that would not be needed in the utopian societies discussed herein. Because without money, nobody would produce PCs. Nobody makes PCs from 'scratch'. They buy parts from all over the world and assemble the PCs. Then most PC makers do not have their own stores, so they must sell their product to stores. I suppose that the store could also have bread and wine on its shelves to trade with the the PC company which, in turn, could pay its employees with bread and wine. Then the employee could take his/her extra bread and wine back to the store to trade for baby food and shoes. There would be a great need for shoes with everyone walking around trading extra produce for goods they need. Perhaps wheelbarrows would be more popular too.

BTW, much of my software supported energy companies that would also be out of business because they cannot put their electricity on the shell and wait for you to come in with your extra bread and wine to trade. Unused electricity spoils a lot faster than uneaten bread. Some of you might be happy to see the energy companies go under. I really do understand. But you might wait a long time before TPTB release the specs for home-made, working cold fusion.

If none wanted my software for non-existent PCs,then I would have to find something else to do. I can teach mathematics. Does anyone out there need a crash course in regression analysis or in topological methods in non-linear analysis? I work for bread and wine. LOL

What I am trying to say is that we still need money. Any money that you don't need can be sent to me in Ecuador.A Contributionist society is NOT a barter system. There is nothing to exchange. People simply do whatever work they enjoy doing (and preferably do best) and what is needed and wanted by the society. I'm a software engineer too and I have no doubt that people will still want the technology that makes life easier and better (e.g., computers and the software that runs them). Without question some jobs would go the way of the dinosaurs (e.g., banking, telemarketing, IRS, accounting, etc.), but that has always been the case when new technologies and paradigms are introduced. Naturally for those who will have to learn a new trade this can be quite disconcerting, but what a relief it would be to know that you can do something you're actually good at and enjoy doing to contribute to society without having to worry about if there will be any jobs available or if you'll be able to support yourself and family doing that job.

Money is not the key to what makes a job worthwhile or necessary. Human needs and wants are.

[indigopete]

Natures money is gifting among itself for mutual accommodation. We are part of nature, shouldn't we act as part of it instead of trying to live apart from it.

Nature's money is not gifting - far from it.

To me, the very word embodies a kind of patronising implication of spiritual or material inequality that requires redress. Nature does not work on this basis. On the contrary, it tends towards diversity rather than equality and that in turn makes co-dependency and mutual exchange all the more important.

In this respect, "money" is no more than an information system. It communicates information about excess and deficiency so that resources can be moved away from areas of excess and towards those that are deficient. It is not for the "gifter" to make that decision. It is for the society as a whole which it does through an age old mechanism known as 'markets'.

Giving away, or "gifting" your resources is just the material equivalent of giving away your spiritual power. If you do it to excess you'll end up an axe murderer yourself. Although gifting is "nice" and ok for helping the odd person out if you happen to have an excess of something, it's by no means a basis for sustaining a planetary society. For a start, the level of waste would be astronomical due to misguided and misplaced resource allocation and arbitration over "need".

This is just a "world-improver" notion with a palletable label that hasn't been thought through in my opinion.

[spiritguide]

Natures money is gifting among itself for mutual accommodation. We are part of nature, shouldn't we act as part of it instead of trying to live apart from it.

Nature's money is not gifting - far from it.

To me, the very word embodies a kind of patronising implication of spiritual or material inequality that requires redress. Nature does not work on this basis. On the contrary, it tends towards diversity rather than equality and that in turn makes co-dependency and mutual exchange all the more important.

In this respect, "money" is no more than an information system. It communicates information about excess and deficiency so that resources can be moved away from areas of excess and towards those that are deficient. It is not for the "gifter" to make that decision. It is for the society as a whole which it does through an age old mechanism known as 'markets'.

Giving away, or "gifting" your resources is just the material equivalent of giving away your spiritual power. If you do it to excess you'll end up an axe murderer yourself. Although gifting is "nice" and ok for helping the odd person out if you happen to have an excess of something, it's by no means a basis for sustaining a planetary society. For a start, the level of waste would be astronomical due to misguided and misplaced resource allocation and arbitration over "need".

This is just a "world-improver" notion with a palletable label that hasn't been thought through in my opinion.

Take all you want but use all you take! Maybe it is time for leaders not managers. The level of waste is astronomical due to misguided and misplaced resource allocation and arbitration over need now. IMO

[Pam]

The problem with money is that it sets up the environment for jealousy. And jealousy turns into all kinds of other negative emotions. And those emotions end up getting the planet into the mess it's in right now. IMO money could only truly work if everyone had an equal amount.

I have a friend that has an opinion that we could do away with money. He thinks that right now technology has advanced to the point where most "jobs" could be done mechanically or robotically. This would leave each person with time to focus on what they have a true passion for. And when someone is doing their true passion they would gladly give it away for free simply because they love doing it in the first place. Also with all the free time without having to work all day humanity could spend time focusing on the real aspects of reality and better the planet


I don't disagree about money causing jealousy.Are you suggesting we attempt to create a social structure that attempts to avoid creating negative emotions? I think it is the other way around. We need to develop our consciousness beyond jealousy rather than trying to create a sugar coated environment. I think we already have something like that, we call it political correctness.

[indigopete]

[QUOTE=indigopete;846594]The level of waste is astronomical due to misguided and misplaced resource allocation and arbitration over need now. IMO

In some area is it, in others it isn't.

The waste and destruction comes from the corrupt use of massively concentrated geopolitical power. This has nothing to do with the merits or otherwise of money and markets (which can similarly be corrupted of course).

As you've probably noticed, I don't subscribe to the idea that "money" in and of itself is a corrupting force. In many ways, it has in fact been a liberating force for humanity IMO. The problem is distinguishing between "base" money and the kind of scam credit money that's currently produced by the modern banking system. Base money has been kept out of the hands of citizens for the best part of 100 years now. Most people don't have much idea of the difference so they just go along with it and lump everything into the same 'corrupt' basket.

It's an easy cop out to blame the worlds ills on markets and money - but a cop out it is all the same. You only have to take a walk down to a major shipping port one day to see that. Millions of tons of basic life sustaining materials 'gifted' as you call it from areas of surplus to those of deficiency. I agree there is a huge amount of waste and corruption in the world, but it's not there for want of 'gifting', it's there because humanity has left its garden unattended and weeds have overtaken the place in the form of consolidated power blocks. It wouldn't have mattered what political, financial or resource distribution system was in place, it would have become just as corrupted.

By blaming it all on money we're just being lazy, hypocritical and throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[Pris]

By blaming it all on money we're just being lazy, hypocritical and throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Michael Tellinger describes money (and all other forms like barter and trade) as a tool that has been used to enslave us. David Wilcock calls it 'Financial Tyranny'.

This is about the people who use this tool (and hierarchical/authoritarian structures) to control us/beat us down with lack and limitation. This is the reason why we have so much greed/crime/poverty/etc. If we eliminate this tool, we will no longer be oppressed.

I wholeheartedly subscribe to world where we freely contribute to one another and everything is shared. And, we become caretakers of each other and the planet.

[DeeMetrios]

to the original thread starter GuyFox & others .....
I think M.Tellinger has a role to play to help us into the new age ... "but not in the way he is doing it"
I went to his seminar in Sydney & was disappointed & constantly shaking my head at his presentation .
He was mostly ego out there & was jumping allover a huge variety of subjects .
He used mostly 95% of other peoples research & mentioned only a few of them ....... not good Michael .
He also glorified the remains in South Africa saying that it was a huge empire , when it could have been just a huge mining operation moving over a large area .
He needs to rethink his strategy or just quit !! as he was pathetic on stage .
I think he just trying to sell his books , "as he spruked them quite a few times" & then at the end glossed over his perfect world & solution to all problems , describing the UBUNTU movement & asking for support .
I believe this person should stick to just digging & uncovering old sites in South Africa & leave the deeper messages to others better qualified .
shame on you Michael , not mentioning Len Horowitz & barely rising above a whisper when you spoke of Tesla & Emoto & many others .
I also think it was very wrong of you to wait till more than halfway thru your presentation before mentioning Stitchin , who's work you borrowed to do about half your show .
As for your brief spiel about how we dont need money !! wow , im certain you lost even more credibility for your cause , if your only going to spend 10 mins on that section , do it better

[Mu2143]

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[river]

Yet I find that money , gives the individual the opportunity to have their on future direction

True money and/or capitalism has its problems , no doubt

But money can give each of us our own future

Does anybody have a flying saucer for sale ? :cool:

[Pris]

Yet I find that money , gives the individual the opportunity to have their on future direction

True money and/or capitalism has its problems , no doubt

But money can give each of us our own future

Does anybody have a flying saucer for sale ? :cool:

Money does not give opportunity. Money takes away opportunity because it comes between you and what you need and want.


True money and/or capitalism has its problems , no doubt

Lol, you can say that out loud! :ballchain:

[thunder24]

in the current situation money is needed... very few can own a computer, eat, work, play, live without it right now because of mindset and ignorance... so while it is available those that have SHOULD BE helping within their own communities , to give others WITHOUT a better standard of living... imo

[river]

Posted by river (here)
Yet I find that money , gives the individual the opportunity to have their on future direction

True money and/or capitalism has its problems , no doubt

But money can give each of us our own future

Does anybody have a flying saucer for sale ?


Money does not give opportunity. Money takes away opportunity because it comes between you and what you need and want.

Disagree

There is nothing wrong with making money

The problem is when people want money at no cost , other than to Humanity


I like to imagine Canada as having the most million and Billionares in the world

And then again I would like all the world to be very , very wealthy and its people , , and as far away from politics as possible

[Pris]

Posted by river (here)
Yet I find that money , gives the individual the opportunity to have their on future direction

True money and/or capitalism has its problems , no doubt

But money can give each of us our own future

Does anybody have a flying saucer for sale ?


Money does not give opportunity. Money takes away opportunity because it comes between you and what you need and want.

Disagree

There is nothing wrong with making money

The problem is when people want money at no cost , other than to Humanity


I like to imagine Canada as having the most million and Billionares in the world

And then again I would like all the world to be very , very wealthy and its people , , and as far away from politics as possible

Most people think like you do and that is no surprise -- when it comes to thinking there is nothing wrong with money. You can thank the system for all the brainwashing. :p Money was introduced (by a small group of controlling individuals) to be used as a tool that enslaves humanity -- without humanity realizing it.


I like to imagine Canada as having the most million and Billionares in the world

And then again I would like all the world to be very , very wealthy and its people , , and as far away from politics as possible

I have no idea what you are saying about Canada (unless you are talking about Cabal members?). Most of us here are pretty darn broke IMHO lol.

And, depending on how one defines 'wealth'... I myself do not care much for 'wealth' if we are talking about 'monetary wealth'.

I do agree with you about politics, however. :)

[apokalypse]

any Value Based Currency on the planet that we lived in is illusion...it's mind blowing how we human on planet put values into stuff like Gold or Diamond not for anything but currency or progression while it have some values for science.

I have these thought and talking to myself alot while travelling on public transport...We have been hearing Annunaki how they using gold or some other beings outer space using it for specific reason in term of science or technology. i was also wonder and so reasonate what Alex Collier is saying human on planet earth is only species using Money or Value Based.

only issue with Value Based Currency is the people who manage and how we managing it...looking at Government keep talking about the loses of money but nobody ask why? why we have a system that never gain anything but loses? Why we have to pay tax? ..ect...Wealth Distribution. Nothing will happen over night and we only take step by step, first thing is people need to raise consciousness the Truth on everything they know and working on Spirituality be who we really are.

[Oouthere]

By blaming it all on money we're just being lazy, hypocritical and throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Michael Tellinger describes money (and all other forms like barter and trade) as a tool that has been used to enslave us. David Wilcock calls it 'Financial Tyranny'.

This is about the people who use this tool (and hierarchical/authoritarian structures) to control us/beat us down with lack and limitation. This is the reason why we have so much greed/crime/poverty/etc. If we eliminate this tool, we will no longer be oppressed.

I wholeheartedly subscribe to world where we freely contribute to one another and everything is shared. And, we become caretakers of each other and the planet.

I completely agree, but it ain't happening. Nature produces numerous parasites including the human type. The Federal Reserve takes a few percentage points off the top and creates an impossible to repay scenario. The petroleum industry is forcing us to pay 275%(+) more than we did a decade ago when over-unity energy is available. IMO, these industries are the biggest parasites/welfare recipients of all.

People quit jobs as soon as free money is thrown their way. After Katrina hit, the fast food restaurants could not keep employees because the red cross gave about $300 to everyone effected by the storm. Numerous people quit when they got the $300 and had drugs in their hand. A good number of people are not going to work unless forced, and forced being the removal of welfare to a very uncomfortable level.

The system is not perfect, but now there are more people receiving from the government financial pot than work full time. But remember, the unemployment is much better than when when our current white house occupant took over...oh yeah, and there is no inflation.

[Pris]

By blaming it all on money we're just being lazy, hypocritical and throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Michael Tellinger describes money (and all other forms like barter and trade) as a tool that has been used to enslave us. David Wilcock calls it 'Financial Tyranny'.

This is about the people who use this tool (and hierarchical/authoritarian structures) to control us/beat us down with lack and limitation. This is the reason why we have so much greed/crime/poverty/etc. If we eliminate this tool, we will no longer be oppressed.

I wholeheartedly subscribe to world where we freely contribute to one another and everything is shared. And, we become caretakers of each other and the planet.

I completely agree, but it ain't happening. Nature produces numerous parasites including the human type. The Federal Reserve takes a few percentage points off the top and creates an impossible to repay scenario. The petroleum industry is forcing us to pay 275%(+) more than we did a decade ago when over-unity energy is available. IMO, these industries are the biggest parasites/welfare recipients of all.

People quit jobs as soon as free money is thrown their way. After Katrina hit, the fast food restaurants could not keep employees because the red cross gave about $300 to everyone effected by the storm. Numerous people quit when they got the $300 and had drugs in their hand. A good number of people are not going to work unless forced, and forced being the removal of welfare to a very uncomfortable level.

The system is not perfect, but now there are more people receiving from the government financial pot than work full time. But remember, the unemployment is much better than when when our current white house occupant took over...oh yeah, and there is no inflation.

Yes, the system is broken. It always has been broken by its very nature. Expecting human beings to function healthfully in a sick, broken system is ludicrous. Of course people would quit their slave-jobs in a heartbeat if they could. This has nothing to do with not wanting to contribute or being lazy. The system itself kills the human spirit because it's all about lack and limitation.

A contributionist society supports and encourages human development in a world of abundance -- where every individual is equally important and appreciated and anything is possible.

If we suddenly had a world without money (all forms including barter and trade), there would be no shortage of volunteers/contributors who would want to share their skills and services to help their fellow man/woman, and to ensure all basic needs for everyone -- including themselves -- are met. We could essentially end poverty, suffering, and most crime overnight.

From there, the sky's the limit because there is no limit to what we can accomplish (spiritually, technologically) when we share everything (land, resources, everything) -- when everything is free and everything is of equal value (when there is no money, nothing has more 'value' than anything else) -- and we care for one another and the planet. We do not need government to take care of us -- we can take care of ourselves.

Obviously, we are not going to get there overnight. A big step in the right direction is awareness of the problems we face. More and more people are 'waking up' and this is very positive. You have to become aware of a problem first before you can do anything to fix it.

[Mike Gorman]

The whole debate around money is still very much founded in the paradigm into which it was conceived - what is needed is an entire paradigm shift, this is going to be the big step forward for humanity.
A solution cannot be found with the same level of thinking that created the problem. We have this here planet, and it has an abundance of resources...right? It is at this point that the perspective needs to shift
who says we need to have a monetary system to divide these resources - the huge resource is human intelligence and creativity, this is what converts the raw potentials of the earth into objects, machines, gadgets,
houses, aeroplanes, cars, starships e.t.c So in a pure sense we could still have all of these things - but without the concept of exchange. It will be a huge shift.

[Observer1964]

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http://vimeo.com/13658344

[Observer1964]

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Published -9-11-2014 · Discover the Annunaki, at the Bosnian Pyramid Conference 2014 with Michael Tellinger. The Annunaki are the oldest civilisation on Earth. Michael Tellinger says they lived in South Africa more than 200,000 years ago, mining gold. They left more than 10 million circular stone structures and unexplained tools and artifacts that point to higher knowledge of advanced technology. Michael has made startling discoveries on the ancient Annunaki.

The Anunnaki (also transcribed as: Anunaki, Anunna, Anunnaku, Ananaki and other variations) are a group of deities in ancient Mesopotamian cultures (i.e. Sumerian, Akkadian, Assyrian, and Babylonian).

The Bosnian Pyramid is what Semir Osmanagich calls the Pyramid of the Moon, the world's largest—and oldest—step pyramid. Looming above the opposite side of town is the so-called Pyramid of the Sun, it dwarfs the Great Pyramids of Egypt. A third pyramid, he says, is in the nearby hills. As a group, Osmanagich says, these structures are part of "the greatest pyramid complex ever built on the face of the earth".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB5nTjA8VXk

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Stories like this one clearly demonstrate that our draconian governments and their subsidiary organisations will do anything to keep humanity sick and enslaved. Join the global UBUNTU movement today and become the seed of consciousness in your area. Only we, the people, can bring the relief we seek in the world - we are the 99,9% - we are the ones we have been waiting for. Our governments and leaders have become the slave masters and enemies of humanity. Inform yourself and find out how simply we can find prosperity and abundance. http://www.ubuntuparty.org.za/p/join-us.html

NaturalNews reports - Efforts to bring natural Ebola treatments to suffering West Africans have been squelched by the World Health Organization (WHO), which recently blocked multiple shipments of nanosilver solution measuring at 10 parts per million (ppm) from entering the region, leaving thousands to suffer needlessly.

WHO officials also reportedly called off a trial at an Ebola isolation ward where local health authorities were set to begin administering the silver, which the U.S. government previously demonstrated is highly effective against Ebola. WHO ordered the trial not to proceed despite the fact that it had earlier voiced support for experimental treatments.

Both WHO and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have given their blessing to experimental therapies for Ebola, citing a lack of proven treatment options. But when it comes to using therapeutic silver, all bets are off, it seems.

Authorities block small shipment of nano-silver three times
According to the Natural Solutions Foundation (NSF), efforts to ship nanosilver into Sierra Leone have thus far failed. The organization has been trying to deliver a shipment of 200 bottles of nanosilver 10 ppm, and 100 tubes of nanosilver gel, to no avail. At this point, the shipment has been returned to the U.S. for the third time.

"That parcel, shipped Air Express at a cost of $3400 to Sierra Leone on August 20, never made it out of Paris," reads an NSF action alert. "Air France has yet to find a reason for that. But it made its way back to the US again, apparently for the 3rd time without being delivered to Africa."

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/047101_ebola_colloidal_silver_government_seizure.html#ixzz3F8k1CYnc

[Lifebringer]

Profit over life. Prime farmland to be cleared from the jungles, and resources of gold silver, platinum, diamonds, oil and gas. Sounds like if you live on a rock w/out water resources in some desert, you may be safe from capitalist elite globalist corporations. Why buy anything from them. Don't we Americans know how to sew? Don't we Americans know how to farm? Don't we Americans know how to share our food and filter our water rejuvenate the lands naturally? Well , who needs them? WE certainly don't, they've caused problems for centuries with their egotistical control imbalance.